Stay Free - Russel Brand - The System is Collapsing | Ron Paul — SF713

00:05:45.000 Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist.

00:05:48.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:05:53.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:05:55.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:05:57.000 It's a very special show because we are being joined by Ron Paul.

00:06:00.000 And in a time of crisis and confusion and fallen idols and spreading an endless war, there's a kind of new tower of Babel almost where people don't know what to believe in.

00:06:13.000 People will believe in anything every day, a new conspiracy theory every day.

00:06:18.000 a new criticism, a new attack.

00:06:21.000 Every day, further reasons for despair, confusion and annihilation.

00:06:25.000 We're living sort of in a time where it feels like history is melting away, its lessons not received.

00:06:32.000 So it's a great honour to be able to introduce Dr. Ron Paul.

00:06:35.000 Before we say hello, please have a look at this brief package we've assembled to introduce you to those of you that may not be familiar with him to some of his work and what he represents at this critical time.

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00:06:54.000 Ron Paul is a former congressman, physician, and longtime advocate for limited government, individual liberty, and non interventionist foreign policy.

00:07:02.000 What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?

00:07:13.000 First elected to Congress in the 1970s, he became one of the most influential libertarian voices in American politics, building a loyal following through his opposition to endless wars, central banking, and government overreach.

00:07:25.000 His presidential campaigns in 2008 and 2012 helped shape a generation of anti-establishment politics, particularly among younger voters skeptical of both parties.

00:07:34.000 Today, through his writing, interviews, and the Ron Paul Liberty Report, he continues to challenge mainstream narratives around war, economics, and personal freedom.

00:07:43.000 You know, when the founding fathers got sick and tired of the British tax, and they had a tax of about 25%, the American people are rather complacent to put up with this.

00:07:54.000 Thank you for joining us, Dr. Ron Paul.

00:07:59.000 So, hey, Doctor, at the moment we can't hear you.

00:08:03.000 I'm not sure if that challenge is taking place at your end.

00:08:06.000 Massey, can I hear you talk for a second?

00:08:07.000 And that will help us to understand.

00:08:09.000 Speaking.

00:08:10.000 Hey.

00:08:11.000 Nice one, Massey.

00:08:12.000 Thank you.

00:08:13.000 So, yeah, like so, our audio is working this end.

00:08:15.000 Doctor, if you've got someone there that can assist you with that audio, likely it might be muting on Zoom or the platform, whatever platform it is we're using to connect with you.

00:08:26.000 But if you can hear me, this is what the first.

00:08:28.000 Perhaps get some assistance on that microphone.

00:08:33.000 Yeah, we're not hearing that.

00:08:34.000 So I think someone needs to assist you with the platform and the audio there.

00:08:39.000 But I can firstly outline some of the areas that I want to discuss with you because it feels like a unique and particular moment of disarray and confusion.

00:08:51.000 This is the first thing I'm going to ask you about when eventually we're able to access your audio, sir.

00:08:56.000 It's this.

00:08:58.000 Trump was such an idiosyncratic and powerful candidate.

00:09:03.000 And in a way, he felt like the end of a particular type of politics, particularly when he campaigned for the presidency the first time.

00:09:10.000 Revealing, just, yeah, we got it.

00:09:12.000 I can hear him.

00:09:13.000 We're like revealing in casual declarations in the early debates against Hillary that I use the loopholes that all of your donors use.

00:09:24.000 If Trump doesn't work, if Trump is still.

00:09:28.000 It seems beholden to the kind of deep state, centralized, supranational forces that many people believe direct the trajectory of politics.

00:09:40.000 Then, what must follow?

00:09:43.000 Must we have real systemic change?

00:09:45.000 And can you guide us to what we will be campaigning for and highlighting so that our audience, who live in this kind of instantaneous, constant churn environment, can have the benefit of your insights when it comes to the necessity for systemic change, sir?

00:10:04.000 Well, I think the systemic changes are destined, they will happen.

00:10:10.000 And Trump is in the middle of it, but he didn't create it.

00:10:14.000 I think the destiny is that when you don't follow a set of rules that make a lot of sense and defend liberty, you're going to get this mishmash.

00:10:24.000 For instance, if you defy the principles of sound money and you allow the government in secret to print money out of thin air and start wars and not expose what they're doing to the people, you can do that for so long and you can run your debt up for so long.

00:10:40.000 But eventually, it has to end because the people will get disgusted.

00:10:46.000 They sort of got aware of this and a major event occurred in 1971 because we were doing way too much and the deficit was too big and we had to declare the bankruptcy.

00:11:00.000 That's when we went off the gold standard.

00:11:02.000 So we defaulted then.

00:11:04.000 But it continued anyway with overreach, spending too much, too many wars, too much welfarism, too much corruption.

00:11:14.000 And that was inevitable that it would lead to this crisis.

00:11:18.000 But Trump is in the middle of it.

00:11:20.000 He's just orchestrating, taking advantage of it, getting in charge of this conflict and the breakdown.

00:11:28.000 And it's up for grabs because right now we're getting violence in the streets and chaos.

00:11:34.000 Other people want to grab hold of something too because that's a stated principle of a Marxist.

00:11:41.000 Bring on chaos in the streets and then we're going to grab hold of power.

00:11:46.000 What do we see today?

00:11:47.000 Even announced communists and socialists.

00:11:51.000 Winning major elections in our country.

00:11:56.000 So they're there.

00:11:57.000 So the mess up came by the sacrifice of the liberties of the principles of sound money and the Constitution, and the emperor occurred.

00:12:08.000 So we're in the midst of the developing bankruptcy, and it's going to get a lot worse.

00:12:15.000 So that's why I think it's so vital that we talk about the principles that once made the nation a lot better off than it is today and why.

00:12:25.000 We should be talking about that and not the single consequences.

00:12:31.000 Yes, there are wars and we have to talk about it.

00:12:34.000 Yes, there are high prices.

00:12:35.000 We have to talk about it.

00:12:36.000 But we have to talk about how and why and why do the people support it.

00:12:42.000 One of the principles that you've just described is the problem that occurs when you decouple a nation's wealth from gold-backed currency.

00:12:53.000 Perhaps because this is an idea that you've been Disseminating and describing for some time.

00:12:59.000 It's something that I'm, as much as any lay person can be, familiar with.

00:13:04.000 If I'm familiar with it, and many more advanced minds than mine are familiar with it, what is the obstacle to this notion being advanced politically?

00:13:17.000 What power exists that prevents even that one principle being instituted, Doctor?

00:13:25.000 It's a result of a principle that we endorsed 100 years ago in the progressive era, and that was the debasement of the currency and the giving up of the currency and opening up the doors to those hungry for power to, in secret, be able to manipulate all the economy for special favors, like supporting the military industrial complex.

00:13:49.000 So the principle was that the founders were very clear only gold and silver were to be used as legal tender.

00:13:57.000 And It was announced in 71, which is a date that I talk about a lot when we rejected the gold standard because we left that and that opened up the doors.

00:14:09.000 I'm amazed that the corruption and the fraudulent and the counterfeiting of money has lasted this long.

00:14:16.000 But what it leads to, the longer it lasts, the more distortion there will be, the more there will be a division between the rich and the poor.

00:14:25.000 And right now, you know, you could read certain articles from certain papers.

00:14:30.000 And everything sounds pretty good.

00:14:32.000 And they quote statistics.

00:14:34.000 But if you go and find out what the people are doing, and some of the polling now does reflect the fact that the people can't pay their bills and they won't be able to live very long without a paycheck.

00:14:48.000 So we're in a crucial danger spot of deficits and this runaway inflation with our currency.

00:14:58.000 But neither political party has an appetite.

00:15:03.000 To abide by the principle you've just described.

00:15:09.000 So, how will that principle ever be politically realized?

00:15:17.000 The Trump's not doing it.

00:15:19.000 Gavin Newsom, if he's the next candidate, is not doing it.

00:15:22.000 So, where is it available as an option for America?

00:15:26.000 And this is just to take in one granular idea, albeit a very significant one.

00:15:33.000 Advocating for it meaningfully.

00:15:37.000 You've run as an independent, of course, several times and ultimately unsuccessfully.

00:15:42.000 And one has the sense that your system here in this country will never afford an independent candidate meaningful legislative power.

00:15:52.000 So, how will this be?

00:15:55.000 Are we not ultimately, Doctor, discussing the requirement for systemic change so that there is actual representative power?

00:16:04.000 Democracy because otherwise, no one is ever going to reverse what happened in 1971.

00:16:10.000 No one's offering it, no one's people are discussing it, but no one that's in a position to instantiate it.

00:16:16.000 So, what is the change that's required even for that one change to be even discussed?

00:16:23.000 So, I'm not quite as pessimistic as that because that's where I find some optimism that there are the changers, the bright people are changing their minds.

00:16:33.000 There was a beach.

00:16:34.000 Change in the attitude in this country in the regular media, say for the monetary issue.

00:16:42.000 And when I first went to Congress in 76, they said, What are you doing?

00:16:48.000 Who's why are you talking about this stuff?

00:16:51.000 It's on the news every day.

00:16:53.000 And then you have big arguments between the president and chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.

00:16:57.000 Well, should interest rates go up here, a quarter point here or there?

00:17:02.000 Which means it's being discussed.

00:17:05.000 And that's the way we lost it.

00:17:07.000 We lost it through the people doing the discussion and the people who grabbed hold of the progressive educational system because I think it's government schools versus an independent thinking group.

00:17:20.000 So, I say there's a lot of people, a Mises Institute, I can name 10 little groups, and that's small in number, but it's very, very important that there's people doing this, and they're out there.

00:17:33.000 And I was very much encouraged when I did my campaign.

00:17:38.000 You say, yeah, but you didn't get anywhere.

00:17:40.000 You didn't win any states or anything.

00:17:43.000 But I saw thousands of kids, young people, college kids on liberal college campuses, when you talk to them about liberty and why it's important.

00:17:52.000 To have sound money and restrain the government, they understood this.

00:17:58.000 But I agree.

00:18:00.000 I'm a pessimist on the short run because I believe the debt and the malinvestment that has occurred with the destruction of the currency has to be liquidated.

00:18:10.000 And right now, you know, our debt now is the greatest it's ever been.

00:18:15.000 And, you know, they overlooked the debt during World War II, but it's bigger than that now.

00:18:20.000 So it's destined to change.

00:18:26.000 And there's a lot of people out there changing their minds about it and are complacent.

00:18:31.000 But it is tough.

00:18:33.000 There's no doubt about it because everybody's become dependent.

00:18:36.000 The system we have now today is disgusting because the executive branch of our government and the government itself for years has always passed out stuff.

00:18:48.000 How much money has been passed out, counterfeit money, to the universities?

00:18:54.000 And there's been a lot.

00:18:56.000 So if the universities don't have the right professors, Professors teaching there, uh, they threaten them.

00:19:04.000 The government says to them and Trump will say to them, well, if you don't do it our way and don't, you don't let these speakers come in and you don't teach this, that we're going to take your money away.

00:19:13.000 And so we've taught people to be addicted to this.

00:19:16.000 And yet we still do have private schools.

00:19:19.000 We still do have, uh, you know, homeschooling.

00:19:22.000 We still have you on the air because you want to talk about this.

00:19:26.000 And I think subtly there's a lot, it's a lot better off on the educational part because in my understanding of how the system works, it isn't a numbers game.

00:19:39.000 You don't have to wait and say, well, you have to have 51%.

00:19:42.000 No, authoritarians are pure democracy, get the majority out there and they can take in, do anything you want.

00:19:50.000 No, I think right now it's a small minority that has to change the attitude.

00:19:57.000 And that's the way the revolution occurred.

00:20:00.000 They didn't convince the, you know, the The people in the colonies to have a vote, and there was 30 to 21 percent.

00:20:07.000 There were leaders, and we call them the founding fathers.

00:20:10.000 And boy, if you read the details of the founding fathers, it's really they deserve a lot of admiration.

00:20:17.000 So, there, but we have them here, we have them now.

00:20:21.000 You know, the Austrian School of Economic Policy, and I can name six of them that I got to know real well, and they've been teaching for a long time, and they're out there.

00:20:32.000 I am shocked.

00:20:34.000 That if I go on a trip and I'm, uh, uh, if I talk to, to the people, they said that, uh, they, they themselves have started their own program.

00:20:46.000 And I always had a habit of, no matter who called, it would be even before I ran for office, they would call, uh, from a university.

00:20:54.000 Oh, we have 15 members in our libertarian club.

00:20:57.000 I would go.

00:20:58.000 I didn't know the difference, but I talked to them.

00:21:00.000 It turns out those 15 work for me in the Congress.

00:21:03.000 They've started their own program.

00:21:06.000 So I see the momentum as, Very decent.

00:21:09.000 So I look on the positive side of it.

00:21:11.000 Of course, I don't have much fun looking at only the bad part.

00:21:15.000 But I remember talking and telling the young people how bad it was, what they were inheriting.

00:21:21.000 You don't own yourself.

00:21:22.000 They can draft you.

00:21:24.000 And the wars, you know, I got it.

00:21:27.000 And I'd talk 45 minutes on that.

00:21:29.000 And then I would give my 10-minute pitch of what Liberty could do and to correct these problems.

00:21:35.000 And what I was impressed with is someone would come up to me and say, Dr. Paul, I really like what you're saying.

00:21:42.000 You're such an optimist.

00:21:43.000 I said, an optimist.

00:21:44.000 I just talked for 45 minutes.

00:21:47.000 To tell you how bad things were.

00:21:49.000 So I think there's a message there.

00:21:52.000 It was for me that yes, you've got to tell the truth and then you've got to give them an answer.

00:21:57.000 And to me, the answer is in as pure as an understanding of liberty as you can get and honesty.

00:22:04.000 I think people should learn to know what a natural law is of a, you know, it's natural, I believe from the beginning of time, that you're not supposed to lie and cheat and steal and murder people.

00:22:16.000 And probably 99% of the people agree with that.

00:22:20.000 So, I think that they're on our side.

00:22:22.000 But right now, we're like, our country's like spoiled kids.

00:22:25.000 All they knew was getting money and never learned how to do things until they consumed the wealth. 1.00

00:22:31.000 The country now has consumed this wealth because right now we're seeing these stupid wars going on. 0.95

00:22:39.000 How much wealth has been consumed since World War II? 1.00

00:22:43.000 Needlessly, against the rules, against the natural laws.

00:22:47.000 So, I still have room.

00:22:49.000 Besides, I think if we play this game and do this, and explain it to them, it actually is a lot of fun for me because I can see how every every year or two, I might get one or two converts that to go out and do a lot better. 0.96

00:23:03.000 So I I uh, and besides, it's not much fun for me to say well, it's coming to an end and you better get your gun and shoot some people before they take over.

00:23:13.000 So I think people should have fun.

00:23:15.000 I come on programs like this because you know I I cheat, because I enjoy it.

00:23:20.000 It's when it comes for enjoyment and maybe I don't know how many listeners you have and I don't know how what, how many of your listeners Might be doing something you don't even know about.

00:23:29.000 So I think that's, you know, it's a positive attitude that I try to follow.

00:23:34.000 Dr. Paul, you're right to encourage us to pursue the principle of joy.

00:23:40.000 And please believe me when I say that I recognize that I'm in the presence of an elder with great accumulated wisdom and experience.

00:23:50.000 I'd like to publicly thank Christina Tobin for organizing and facilitating this interview.

00:23:57.000 Thank you.

00:23:58.000 Because I'm not pessimistic nor cynical.

00:24:02.000 I have great faith in human beings.

00:24:04.000 I have great faith in God.

00:24:07.000 I have great faith in your country.

00:24:10.000 And I believe in the unadulterated prima materia of consciousness, our true gift from God, the light that cannot be overcome by darkness.

00:24:22.000 And yet, what I feel is that after the events in 2008, that almighty and dreadful global crash, which Barack Obama elected to bail out banks and financial institutions rather than regarding, respecting, and honoring the individual freedom of American people and protecting them financially.

00:24:47.000 And then, I suppose, 11 years later, another global crisis, this time the pandemic, the COVID pandemic, that has produced so many questions and so much confusion, but similarly appears to have advanced the kind of decimation.

00:25:05.000 That you're describing, even when we just limit our discussion to financial matters and financial falsehoods, it seems to me that we're in an extraordinary moment because I saw Barack Obama as some kind of last prince of a particular moment that perhaps began in the 60s.

00:25:27.000 And I think that now that that has fallen away into nothing, and it might be that we are learning that such a seemingly indefatigable and unique figure as Donald Trump.

00:25:40.000 Trump is, I don't want to say controlled because my legal status in this country, for one thing, is slightly fragile.

00:25:45.000 But, like, I want to say that if such seemingly diverse political figures can produce such evidently similar results, what's being exposed is that the system itself has its own telos and the taxonomies of republicanism and the Democrats have to be newly exposed.

00:26:11.000 That we have to find new language and institute new systems.

00:26:16.000 And when you said about those geniuses that created the constitution, that sloughed off the mighty British Empire, which, you know, perhaps you can recognize in my accent, and I have some affinity and affiliation with that.

00:26:31.000 It was in order to create, yes, freedom and the right to pursue happiness.

00:26:37.000 And I do wonder if the technology that's currently being used, in particular in my country, To surveil people, to control people, to limit people, to potentially, if indeed, central currencies, centralized digital currencies are further instituted to financially persecute, penalize, and control people.

00:26:59.000 This very technology, it appears to me, could be inverted to realize the vision of your founding fathers in a new way maximum freedom, maximum democracy, minimal government intervention.

00:27:16.000 But it seems to me that there is.

00:27:18.000 Isn't a because the system itself is contained and restricted by arguments that prohibit anything but its own sustenance?

00:27:29.000 That there has to be intercession from outside.

00:27:33.000 I don't mean outside of America, I mean outside of the conversation.

00:27:37.000 And I believe that your wealth of experience, coupled with the potential of new technology, founded upon the documents upon which your country was built, somehow holds the solution.

00:27:50.000 And I want to know what's required from American people to bring that about.

00:27:56.000 And you're the person I'm asking.

00:27:59.000 No, it's an individual thing.

00:28:01.000 It's a moral thing.

00:28:03.000 And that is beyond, you know, just telling somebody to act in a certain way.

00:28:09.000 And the founders understood that issue about you have nothing if you don't have a moral people.

00:28:15.000 So really the cause started with the people, Becoming immoral and wasting and taking all this wealth and consuming it, and we still have wealth in spite of all the destruction.

00:28:31.000 And the wealth, we were blessed with a lot of wealth, and it also spoiled us to the sense we had the currency of the world and we had all the natural resources, but we had individuals that wanted more and more and more power, and all this stuff went on.

00:28:49.000 And in 08, things like that happened, they're predictable.

00:28:53.000 And if you're understanding Austrian economics, you don't be surprised.

00:28:57.000 There's going to be a bigger one.

00:28:59.000 This is a warning of what is coming.

00:29:04.000 And I think that is something that we have to prepare for.

00:29:11.000 But I believe that you can understand this.

00:29:15.000 You can see it and you can get unhappy with it's not going fast enough.

00:29:21.000 But the one thing that the Austrian economist said, especially Mises, if you inflate, that is, If you print money and destroy sound money, interest rates are not stable and you don't know what they really are.

00:29:40.000 So bubbles are built.

00:29:41.000 People spend too much money and there's too much debt.

00:29:45.000 But there's another rule.

00:29:46.000 The rule of that is it self-destructs.

00:29:49.000 And we're in the middle of the self-destruction.

00:29:52.000 And the other thing is that even though you and I might agree on how bad things are, the one thing we don't know is what's going to happen tomorrow or the next day.

00:30:02.000 Maybe there will be a revival.

00:30:05.000 in a moral sense that people will accept some of the principles we're talking about.

00:30:10.000 Or, and I right now think it's not going to be that good, but you should work on that.

00:30:15.000 We're not going to elect enough people in our Congress to all of a sudden start voting right and cutting the spending.

00:30:22.000 That isn't it.

00:30:22.000 They say, why'd you spend so much time in Congress?

00:30:25.000 It's only because I never expected to go.

00:30:28.000 And after I went, I figured, well, what should I do?

00:30:30.000 I thought I'd leave a message and I wouldn't have to stay very long because they wouldn't want to hear it.

00:30:36.000 But I think that is an understanding that we're capable of the monetary issue.

00:30:44.000 There's been more talked about that and understanding in the last couple decades.

00:30:49.000 And the prediction is when they do that and mix it in with a bunch of moral people in the government doing really bad things, that it ends.

00:31:01.000 And the bubble bursts and something has to be done.

00:31:06.000 The big problem is when is that going to happen?

00:31:10.000 You can predict what's going to happen, but you can't say, you know, this is going to happen in two months or two years or 10 years.

00:31:18.000 But you can't continue to be prosperous and happy and living under conditions like that by just living and borrowing and running up debt and people fighting over the crumbs.

00:31:30.000 Right now, I think one of the biggest issues that has to be dealt with, and the politicians know this, and that is the The discretion, the difference between the rich and the poor.

00:31:44.000 There are more and more rich and more poor.

00:31:48.000 And, you know, the distribution of wealth is not the right thing.

00:31:54.000 This makes people very, very nervous.

00:31:57.000 And that's why we will have violence, but we still have to have the spirit of the founders.

00:32:03.000 And yes, everybody should do it.

00:32:06.000 You know, when the internet came out and even AI, you know, I look at it as a.

00:32:11.000 you know, my mind doesn't, you know, immediately grasp all this stuff.

00:32:15.000 But I do know that something I don't fully understand, especially when I began, that it's a tool that falls on my lap.

00:32:25.000 And that is I never dreamed I would talk to as many people as I do.

00:32:28.000 I mean, our numbers keep going up of people interested in hearing what I might have to say on X every day.

00:32:35.000 So I think there's a roof.

00:32:39.000 Otherwise, there's no other choice.

00:32:41.000 But I think the understanding of Austrian economics and the basic principles of liberty and basic principles of no lying and no stealing, everybody knows that from the time of Adam and Eve, you know, that we've been taught that.

00:32:58.000 So, and the other thing is, I much rather be happy than sad.

00:33:05.000 So we have conferences.

00:33:06.000 We had a recent conference.

00:33:08.000 We had no big crowd, 200 people, 250 people.

00:33:12.000 But I have a rule.

00:33:14.000 You better have fun here.

00:33:15.000 That's what you come for.

00:33:16.000 You have to enjoy the people that like this.

00:33:19.000 And I just think our numbers are growing.

00:33:22.000 But boy, I agree with you on how do you do it?

00:33:26.000 You got your hands full.

00:33:27.000 Well, you start with one-on-one.

00:33:31.000 That's it.

00:33:32.000 And Walter Jones was a very good friend of mine.

00:33:36.000 And he was a hawk and was supporting all the wars and everything else.

00:33:40.000 And he finally was converted to it.

00:33:43.000 And he, by himself, You know, set out to bring attention to the Iraq war.

00:33:52.000 And he was astounding on how many people would look and admire him for that.

00:33:57.000 So I think that, plus the fact when you get to know people that have an agreement, you don't have to fight with them.

00:34:07.000 And I also accept the advice that was once given to me a long time ago don't be argumentative.

00:34:13.000 Matter of fact, I don't like to argue at all.

00:34:16.000 And I will.

00:34:18.000 Disagree.

00:34:20.000 People will ask me questions.

00:34:21.000 But Leonard Reed of the Foundation for Economics once told me, he says, What you need to do first is learn, study and learn, which I'm still trying.

00:34:33.000 I'm still working on that.

00:34:35.000 Because if you do, people will come and ask you questions.

00:34:39.000 And I remember the first time that happened in Congress.

00:34:43.000 Did I convert hundreds of Congressmen?

00:34:45.000 No, two or three or four.

00:34:48.000 But, you know, one person goes a long way.

00:34:51.000 And the whole thing is that building a new remnant maintains the truth.

00:34:57.000 We don't know where they are.

00:34:58.000 We don't know how many they are.

00:35:00.000 But we know it's right.

00:35:01.000 And we know it's superior to all this thing that's going on today that has to use force and violence and killing and fraud and all these things to do it.

00:35:11.000 That can get pretty boring.

00:35:13.000 And besides, it's wrong.

00:35:15.000 Yes, we do live in a fallen world.

00:35:18.000 Dr. Paul, we have to have a quick commercial break because we are determined to live financially responsibly.

00:35:25.000 When we return from the commercial break, which is a requirement of our economic model, we will have questions and comments from the people in the chat.

00:35:35.000 So please post your questions in there.

00:35:38.000 And we will also, I want to ask you particularly about Bitcoin and digital currency and the possibility for new liberty that might come from new forms of currency.

00:35:48.000 I also want to ask you about Jesus Christ.

00:35:51.000 And natural law.

00:35:54.000 So, if you'd be so kind to stay with us, then we'll be back in a matter of moments.

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00:37:15.000 Dr. Paul, do you think that digital currencies are one way in which we may be able to decouple ourselves from the inflationary madness that you've spent the first part of our conversation describing?

00:37:30.000 Yes, it could be, but I don't see it on the horizon being automatic.

00:37:35.000 And I'm real close to the Bitcoin people, but I'm not up and down and saying, this is it.

00:37:43.000 Take Bitcoin.

00:37:44.000 Everybody's going to be using Bitcoin.

00:37:46.000 I'm not there.

00:37:47.000 But the reason the Bitcoin people like to listen to what I have to say about Bitcoin is I introduced legislation for competing currencies to make it legal for us to do it.

00:38:00.000 But one of the first things the Bitcoin leaders have done is go to the Congress and said, they said, we got to get involved and get the regulations lined up so we know what we're doing, whether we're a bond or a stock or whatever.

00:38:14.000 how are they going to do on taxation?

00:38:17.000 So they're much too close to the government.

00:38:19.000 But the principle of the currency is there.

00:38:24.000 It doesn't fulfill the basic principles going all the way back to Aristotle that you had to have something that you can define and something that you can use if you don't use it as money.

00:38:34.000 So this is a little bit mysterious for me.

00:38:37.000 But where I have joined in is it has to be legal and made legal.

00:38:43.000 It's sort of like having freedom of speech.

00:38:47.000 Only about 10% of the time we have to monitor what you're saying.

00:38:51.000 And then besides that, then after that, they have to monitor.

00:38:54.000 So freedom of speech is sort of like Bitcoin.

00:38:58.000 They say, yeah, you can have all these.

00:38:59.000 And there's all these coins out.

00:39:01.000 And I don't understand them all, but I understand the principle of liberty.

00:39:05.000 But I also understand don't get too close to the government because it won't fulfill your hopes and dreams of having something that will really compete.

00:39:14.000 Because history goes against us because legal tender where the government takes control is is well known.

00:39:21.000 It's happened many, many times.

00:39:24.000 And that's why the founders knew so often that if you had a central bank, you would have the inflation problems that we have.

00:39:32.000 And they tried to get us going in the right direction, but we haven't.

00:39:38.000 And I think, once again, my point is Bitcoin should be legal.

00:39:45.000 They should stay away from depending on the government to guide us through the rough spots.

00:39:50.000 That, I think, is a job.

00:39:53.000 Your country was founded obviously on revolution and revolutionary principles.

00:40:00.000 Of the original 13 colonies, it seems that many of the leaders were interested in keeping an affinity with my country, Great Britain.

00:40:11.000 Others wanted more decentralization.

00:40:13.000 I'm thinking like Patrick Henry, I think is who I'm thinking of, said that there should be more decentralization, that we don't want any federal control.

00:40:20.000 Now, sometimes I feel that what's required is almost another revolutionary moment, where if these systems of government that you have described, are so intransigent, so controlled, so unwilling to yield,

00:40:37.000 the tendency towards corruption so evident and obvious, able to withstand peculiar characters and brilliant new movements, the inertia so strong that it seems that the moral decline will continue, the financial decline will continue, the wars will continue, unless there is an external intercession, unless something intercedes.

00:41:01.000 Now, early in our conversation, you said that you feel optimistic about people.

00:41:05.000 I share that optimism.

00:41:07.000 Do you think one possibility is that instead of using the systems, instead of operating within the institutions of government, is it possible that using some of this new technology, we begin parallel systems using, you know, for one example being Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies to establish parallel economies and systems?

00:41:31.000 Because it seems in a way that the United States of America and the world at large, one could say, is facing a similar moment where empire is so strong, moral decline so ubiquitous, that without something radical and interventionist, we can see where this is heading.

00:41:52.000 I don't mean that pessimistically.

00:41:54.000 What I mean to say is that now that we have the technology for different types of currency, now that we have the technology for different types of communication, it's pretty clear one of the lessons I took from the COVID era is the centralized control of information that had existed even 10 years before has begun to unravel,

00:42:21.000 which meant that people got access to information that prevented them from yielding further authority to, I think, governments that by and large were acting either in bad faith or in ineptitude.

00:42:36.000 So, my question to you is this could we begin?

00:42:41.000 To start parallel movements using cryptocurrencies and communicative technology that mean that we don't have to spend all our time sort of competing in environments controlled by a donor class, lobbyists, extraneous powers, supranational powers that can't be undone.

00:43:01.000 No one's going to ban lobbying tomorrow.

00:43:04.000 No one's going to say, hey, neither political party or any candidate can accept donations anymore.

00:43:09.000 No one's going to do that.

00:43:11.000 Meaningful, meaningful legislation that stops people in Congress finding ways to trade in stocks and shares that they have inside information on.

00:43:21.000 It seems to me that the system is so decrepit, so decrepit and broken that unless there is another revolutionary moment that I suppose, in the same way that your founding fathers did, implements the available technology information.

00:43:37.000 Like in their case, I don't know, the ideas of Thomas Paine and whatever other documents and philosophies were foundational.

00:43:46.000 Seems to me that this is a comparable moment.

00:43:49.000 And once you've answered that, whether or not you think that there could be an organization that's truly independent again, almost a new declaration of independence, a kind of a revolutionary moment that treats almost the American government the same as the British government.

00:44:02.000 I don't, you know, what I mean to say is a centralized monarchical force.

00:44:05.000 I'm not talking about any individual leader like Trump.

00:44:08.000 My own position is when it comes to the most significant issues of our time, it would have been the same if Kamala Harris had won.

00:44:15.000 It would have been the same.

00:44:16.000 There'd still be the war with Iran, there'd still be the same sort of financial problems that you're describing.

00:44:20.000 So.

00:44:21.000 It kind of, aren't we being sort of told in this post Epstein moment that the systems themselves have to change or in some ways revert to what they were intended to be?

00:44:31.000 That there is a negative inertia that, if it's not opposed, is going to lead to perdition.

00:44:39.000 And it's a shame that that would be allowed because now there is technology and opportunity that didn't exist previously.

00:44:49.000 Yes, I think that can be the case that's available, but it's not likely to happen.

00:44:55.000 That it will be a clear cut division or the takeover, you know, of the views that we like.

00:45:02.000 I think there will always be a contest between good and evil.

00:45:06.000 And I look at some of these things that we're talking about, like nuclear energy.

00:45:13.000 When you think about it, if nuclear energy was only used for peaceful purposes and to see what would happen, I don't think there'd be a Any need for any worry about any oil or anything else, everybody would probably have a small nuclear generator doing everything.

00:45:34.000 Anyway, nuclear energy could be a great thing, but it also can destroy the world.

00:45:39.000 And I think that's the way other things are.

00:45:42.000 But people's minds are so important.

00:45:44.000 We had a short little example of what I'm talking about with COVID.

00:45:49.000 And I don't know what it was like in your country, but it was sinful in the United States.

00:45:56.000 When they cracked down and People started to realize they're locking us in our house.

00:46:01.000 They repealed the whole thing of self ownership.

00:46:04.000 And finally, the people rose up against it because people started standing up.

00:46:10.000 The ones that got put in prison, physicians that got to prison, were put in prison because they were telling the truth about it.

00:46:18.000 Yet, eventually, I say the people that was telling the truth about COVID had really, for the most part, won that argument because there's a different attitude now about.

00:46:30.000 Who should decide?

00:46:31.000 You don't get to decide to say, you never could take COVID.

00:46:34.000 You never could take vaccines or something, but we have to teach people that it's your body.

00:46:39.000 You can make up your own mind.

00:46:40.000 You can decide what you want to do.

00:46:42.000 So, uh, that was accomplished.

00:46:45.000 I, I think it was, it was, uh, a few people stuck to their guns and finally attitude, the prevailing attitude turned, turned against all this government demands on us and people.

00:46:57.000 They, I think that's, that can happen and be, be, be beneficial.

00:47:03.000 But it will not, will not be evil because I think, uh, uh, I, I, I think it's been going on for so long.

00:47:10.000 But that doesn't mean you give up and say it because there's been an awful lot of examples of people living for a long time in peace and prosperity, a high percentage.

00:47:21.000 Even today, you know, when I talk about how many people are starving in the United States and, and, uh, how many problems we have and how much violence there is.

00:47:31.000 And, you know, I still look around.

00:47:33.000 And, you know, me personally, I live in a nice town, but I don't live, you know, in a super wealthy place.

00:47:42.000 And I look around and all through my life, I've lived in about eight different places, you know, being drafted, you know, I lost my freedoms there.

00:47:51.000 But being there, but looking around the neighbors, I didn't see the evil in them, but I sure see the evil.

00:47:59.000 I think it's this monopoly of power over people.

00:48:02.000 People get, they get addicted.

00:48:05.000 That's an infection they get.

00:48:07.000 And no matter how much money they have, if they've earned it, they will earn it illegally.

00:48:12.000 And yet there's nothing wrong with being successful and making a lot of money.

00:48:16.000 That you could do with it what you want.

00:48:18.000 So there's uh, that's just the way life has been.

00:48:23.000 You know uh, for for all these years that people have recorded this system.

00:48:28.000 But uh, I think we live in an age of opportunity.

00:48:32.000 I think the technology uh, just like nuclear or technology, it could be 100 good, 100 bad.

00:48:40.000 I I think so.

00:48:41.000 So almost all of life is that it be the, and that goes really back to the basics of of natural law, because the burden is placed on the individual to make these decisions.

00:48:54.000 And it's never going to be without turmoil.

00:49:00.000 There always will be how that turmoil is handled.

00:49:03.000 But all I know is I've come to the conclusion that if it's peace and prosperity that you want, it's much greater in countries that respect and organize under free societies.

00:49:22.000 If you, the more authoritarian the society is, the worse it is.

00:49:25.000 So I can, I can't get a, a, an approach to, uh, get, getting the government out of, probably just about everything, have local governments or something going on.

00:49:38.000 But, uh, there is that, there is that temptation of people that lose control of their good desires.

00:49:45.000 And it, it, I see it always in the Congress.

00:49:48.000 I've helped quite a few people get to Congress who spoke my language.

00:49:53.000 I thought, what would that mean?

00:49:54.000 They'll probably be, Doing the same thing.

00:49:57.000 But the tinkle, sometimes, I tell you, when a new member came in, if I knew about him, I would predict, you know, after his two or three first week to see how, whether he was going to vote by instructions by the government or whether he was going to vote on moral grounds that he campaigned on.

00:50:16.000 And not many, they change very quickly because they're told out of pragmatism, well, you want on this committee, don't you?

00:50:26.000 You want reelected, don't you?

00:50:27.000 We're going to raise the money for this and on and on.

00:50:30.000 You know, so it's the individual making those moral choices.

00:50:34.000 It's probably the most important thing that will determine our future.

00:50:38.000 Dr. Paul Tulsi Gabbard came on the show a while ago and said that when she first was in Congress, she felt like she was entering into some kind of sausage machine where she was trotted through various lobbyists' offices and given all manner of opportunity and was tantalized.

00:50:58.000 You know, do this.

00:50:59.000 This is that lobbyist.

00:51:00.000 This is that donor.

00:51:01.000 Have you.

00:51:02.000 So, I know that what you're telling me is true that there's a kind of Mr. Smith goes to Washington, the documentary is the experience of basically anyone who gets involved in American politics.

00:51:16.000 Could you tell me when, during your long career in politics, when have you felt and who particularly have you felt that you are around greatness and people that have made a difference and are trying to make a difference?

00:51:29.000 And are they actual presidents?

00:51:32.000 Or are they people that are in Congress?

00:51:34.000 Or are they activists and campaigners?

00:51:36.000 When have you felt that you're around people that are able to convey principles effectively and meaningfully, that are able to make a difference?

00:51:44.000 Who?

00:51:46.000 I think the atmosphere today is a lot worse than it was when I was there, you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, because I would practice deliberately doing what I believed in.

00:51:59.000 And that is when somebody, the one thing I black my mind out to is, are they a Republican or a Democrat?

00:52:06.000 I don't give them.

00:52:07.000 I don't stereotype them.

00:52:09.000 But I can remember one that was assumed to be liberal, all big government stuff.

00:52:15.000 And he gave a five-minute speech at the end of the day, which, you know, a special order.

00:52:22.000 And everything he said, I liked.

00:52:24.000 And I called him, and I knew I'm to say hello.

00:52:29.000 But I called him in his office that next day, and he wasn't in.

00:52:34.000 I left a message.

00:52:35.000 And I remember the first vote, I was on the floor, and he came over to me rather deliberately.

00:52:43.000 And he wanted to know what I called him about.

00:52:45.000 And I said, I liked your speech.

00:52:47.000 I agreed with that.

00:52:48.000 And, you know, after that, he was one of the individuals that voted against going to war in Iraq.

00:52:56.000 And we became good friends.

00:52:59.000 And yet he was somebody I didn't know.

00:53:01.000 So all of a sudden, people change.

00:53:04.000 And I thought I met a lot of people like that.

00:53:08.000 But I think I would be less satisfied today.

00:53:13.000 with what I hear.

00:53:15.000 I just hear too much, but I hope the ending of this story is better, and that is the way the president's treating Thomas Massey.

00:53:26.000 That is the kind of stuff I don't like because I'm always looking for something I agree with him on, and the other thing that I have a personal rule on and said, why don't you do this is, why do you do this?

00:53:41.000 Just ask them, recognize them, and give them a feeling that he cares.

00:53:46.000 He cares about it.

00:53:46.000 He wants to know what I'm going to do.

00:53:48.000 And there's a big difference on how you handle that.

00:53:51.000 And so I never, there were some other stories there that I enjoyed because they were giving me a boost.

00:53:59.000 And they didn't, they might punish the Congress or the Republican Party, everybody else, and said, except Ron Paul, he doesn't have to because we know what he's going to do.

00:54:11.000 So there are some payments that you get.

00:54:13.000 And that's one of mine was just the satisfaction that people would listen.

00:54:19.000 But I had no power.

00:54:21.000 I listened to a point, but no, I had no clout at all.

00:54:27.000 And yet I felt comfortable.

00:54:31.000 I'm glad that Thomas Massey's name has come up.

00:54:34.000 I've been sent this by Christina, actually, our mutual friend says that Ed Galrain, who is the candidate standing against him in Kentucky, has received.

00:54:50.000 $9.8 million of support from APAC.

00:54:53.000 And I suppose it's precisely that kind of support that indicates that there could be interests beyond the interests of the American people, whether it's coming from APAC or any other lobbying interest.

00:55:06.000 It seems like that's the type of intervention that your country could do without.

00:55:15.000 Well, you know, there was a time when that was very, very important and it was stereotyped.

00:55:23.000 And if you.

00:55:24.000 They knew if they challenged somebody that was supported by AIPAC, that you'd be declared, oh, he must be anti-Semitic and this sort of thing.

00:55:34.000 And yet, I think that it's something that people now are looking at differently because of the Palestinian war and the bombing.

00:55:48.000 So there is a division now. 1.00

00:55:50.000 So something is better.

00:55:51.000 People are being more objective of all of this. 0.62

00:55:56.000 And I keep In spite of all the wars, which I think makes things worse, I quite frankly believe that support financially and doing all this for Israel on long terms is going to hurt Israel.

00:56:14.000 And yet I think that they can get along probably, but it is something that we create and yet it's changing right now.

00:56:27.000 The attitude has changed and that's why the Democratic Party is sort of.

00:56:31.000 Split on this.

00:56:32.000 You know, why should we support the Democrats?

00:56:34.000 Because they pretend they're against the wars.

00:56:37.000 And just think of all the wars and fighting and killing, you know, in Palestine.

00:56:42.000 It's horrible.

00:56:44.000 Doctor, we have some questions now that our producer, Jake, will read from the comments on our show.

00:56:50.000 So these are some of the people that are watching and listening questions.

00:56:53.000 And this is Jake, our producer, that you can maybe see on your screen.

00:56:57.000 How are you?

00:56:58.000 This is from our Rumble chat, Stephanie48.

00:57:02.000 She said, What is the average senior citizen living on earned Social Security to do?

00:57:08.000 Where is our power when wealth has evaded us and that has been done purposely?

00:57:15.000 Did you hear that question, Doctor?

00:57:18.000 Yeah, I'm not quite sure what he means, but the distribution of wealth becomes really muddied because in a libertarian society, a free market, you wouldn't have this.

00:57:33.000 But, you know, I was born the same year they gave Social Security.

00:57:40.000 But it is, Social Security and all those programs probably helped the middle class more than the poor people.

00:57:48.000 This is the most wicked thing about the system we have of the money because no one, what program you're talking about is a transfer of wealth from the middle class and the poor because the rich aren't complaining about the cost of a loaf of bread.

00:58:04.000 And it's done that.

00:58:07.000 Rather purposely, but they pass out, they keep the masses satisfied by giving out some largesse and giving them bonuses.

00:58:18.000 But the one thing that has been documented is that if politicians continue to do what they do, give money to certain groups so that they'll vote for them, and if they do that, they never catch up because the Debt that's run up and the inflation prices go up faster than all the bonuses that they give.

00:58:44.000 So it's a losing battle.

00:58:45.000 That's why you have to have a clear understanding why people do better with freedom rather than depending on a few clowns up in Washington distributing the wealth.

00:58:55.000 Now there's, uh, now there's a big, big charge now checking all these programs because there's so much fraud.

00:59:03.000 There's, you know, they, you know, he took money out of the kitty and that was supposed to help, help the kids.

00:59:09.000 But what about the money they take out of the middle class?

00:59:11.000 I think the fraud is the system.

00:59:14.000 But it gets worse when they go and take the money out of the money that was supposed to go to the poor people.

00:59:20.000 That's why independent wealth and earnings, people get wealthier, and people don't have enough confidence that everybody's better off under those differences.

00:59:32.000 But there are statistics to show that the more the government is there and the more that they want to help by redistributing wealth, the worse things get.

00:59:44.000 Do you have another question there, beloved Jake?

00:59:47.000 Thank you, Doctor.

00:59:49.000 Um, a question here from Grammy Anon.

00:59:53.000 It said, The left have surely bastardized the word progressive, they've made it a dirty word.

00:59:59.000 So, what does progressive mean to you?

01:00:04.000 I've always been disappointed.

01:00:06.000 I think the gentleman's uh describing something I was disappointed in always because uh, you know, I think of myself as being liberal, but if you say, I remember saying that in one of my early campaigns, the Republican Party came up, And liberal to me was meant what the classical.

01:00:25.000 Economist called liberal and somebody whispered here, don't ever use that word liberal again, because that means you were like a socialist.

01:00:33.000 So yeah, the liberal, uh the, the name is, is is important, and uh, I think that uh the, the liberals or the progressive is the same way I, i'd like to think i'm progressive in many ways but uh, you know, like being non-violent and looking for change and refusing to use anybody else to do my bidding.

01:00:59.000 So progressive, I think, is a good word.

01:01:02.000 What if you were opposed to war and these kind of things?

01:01:06.000 I'd say that is progressive, but they turn it around and the right, the conservatives are responsible for this because they have labeled it that.

01:01:15.000 If you say they put on the word progressive, oh, they have to be bad people.

01:01:21.000 And I probably do make a mistake there too because I talk about the progressive era.

01:01:28.000 which was not progressive, really ushered in the 20th century.

01:01:34.000 And the universities are what really converted so many people into the system of government that we're suffering from right now.

01:01:44.000 So I think the answer is there, too.

01:01:46.000 That's why I'm a strong believer in private schools, no government schools.

01:01:50.000 I have a homeschooling group.

01:01:52.000 Yes, small in number, but they're very, very influential when they go through and get a real education.

01:02:00.000 And I think that pointing that out about the definition of liberal progressive is very important.

01:02:08.000 But I would draw just the definition as much as what you barely believe in.

01:02:15.000 Thank you.

01:02:16.000 We got one more from KevMo80.

01:02:18.000 It said, I've seen that many central banks are buying gold and silver at higher rates than in the past.

01:02:25.000 Is this an indication of our future currency backing?

01:02:27.000 Is that what gives you hope?

01:02:32.000 You know, in a way, maybe, but, you know, we weren't allowed to own gold in this country for 43 years.

01:02:40.000 You know, when Roosevelt took it off and we weren't able to get it re-legalized where people owned it was in 1975.

01:02:47.000 And that came out of the Gold Commission report, which was established, you know, as a, under the Gold Commission to recognize at least many of the coins.

01:03:02.000 Through the 70s, we had a terrible financial situation, but I think we took a major step in the right direction.

01:03:11.000 They re legalized gold.

01:03:13.000 But of course, ironically or probably expectedly, the day that it was made legal, I remember the day very clear because everybody thought everybody's going to run out and buy gold.

01:03:24.000 But they had already, the buyers and the people who believed it already bought the gold.

01:03:29.000 So gold didn't go up.

01:03:30.000 But the IMF and our treasury dumped billions of dollars of gold to keep the price down.

01:03:38.000 So they were manipulated.

01:03:40.000 But nevertheless, they've re-legalized gold.

01:03:43.000 And people now, they can vote with their gold.

01:03:46.000 They can be on their own gold standard.

01:03:48.000 They can save in gold.

01:03:50.000 And the worse these financial problems get, the depreciation of the dollar, you know, the more your gold is protected.

01:03:59.000 But the big thing is you got to protect against the government because, yes, they took it away from us.

01:04:05.000 They stole it from the American people and took all those years to get back.

01:04:09.000 They say, well, they're never going to do that again.

01:04:12.000 I agree.

01:04:12.000 They probably won't ever do it again.

01:04:14.000 But they might say, well, if you start spending your gold, You have to pay 50% tax on your gold as you spend it, something like that.

01:04:22.000 So it's back to the basic principle of people understanding what non aggression is, no violence, and understanding what ownership means of your own body and your own thoughts.

01:04:38.000 If you have all these wonderful liberties, you have to know one thing that you can't hurt other people.

01:04:45.000 And that would make a wonderful world as far as I'm concerned.

01:04:49.000 Dr. Paul, are those principles derived from faith?

01:04:54.000 To have absolute principles, is there a requirement for absolute faith in God?

01:05:04.000 Are you asking me personally about my faith?

01:05:08.000 Yes.

01:05:08.000 Well, I was born in a Christian family and I remained there, raised all my children in a Christian home and all Christians.

01:05:22.000 And I think.

01:05:23.000 Theology is an interesting subject that I deal with internally as much as anything, because for some reason, I say, I don't wear my religion on my sleeve like, you know, I'm holier than you.

01:05:42.000 So I don't push it that way, but I try to practice what I do that would reflect on what I'm saying, that, oh, he's probably a Christian, the way he talks.

01:05:55.000 And our family is, I remain a strong believer in Christianity.

01:06:02.000 Thank you.

01:06:03.000 Yeah, thank you very much.

01:06:04.000 I came to Christ pretty recently.

01:06:09.000 And I suppose the reason I ask is obviously because it appears that your constitution is to some degree formulated around Christian ideas and absent of them.

01:06:26.000 I wonder if it can be sustained or practiced.

01:06:31.000 And also because I'm, in a way, still trying to work out how to handle the, you know, like you've talked about it being kind of quite private or at least not explicit or evangelical in your case.

01:06:47.000 But because one of the things that's continually come up in this conversation is moral decline in accompaniment with the principle of freedom and financial freedom and limiting government.

01:07:00.000 Intervention, I wonder about authority.

01:07:05.000 I wonder that I suppose it seems to me that the government is assuming the authority of a kind of God and behaving like a kind of God. 0.99

01:07:15.000 These people, it's okay to kill. 0.58

01:07:17.000 These people, you cannot kill. 1.00

01:07:19.000 These people can be humiliated.

01:07:21.000 These people can't be humiliated.

01:07:23.000 And indeed, even one might say the idea of welfare is a bureaucratization of charity.

01:07:32.000 So I guess that's the reason that I asked.

01:07:37.000 I suppose what you're saying is that faith is a matter, a personal matter that people should be able to recognize through your actions rather than.

01:07:47.000 Yeah.

01:07:50.000 Yes, I'd favor that.

01:07:52.000 And I think the world is divided up, in my estimation, into two categories, neither side being pure and nobody achieves either end.

01:08:02.000 And that is that some people, and I want to put myself into it, we seek to know the truth.

01:08:10.000 And that means you have to do your best job in finding out, you know, if you're in politics, tell the truth all the time.

01:08:19.000 And I think basically everybody understands telling truth is pretty good.

01:08:25.000 But there are others who believe that lying is good and it is not a moral system.

01:08:30.000 And nihilism is something that you lie whenever you want because you can't know what the truth is.

01:08:39.000 And I think that exists.

01:08:42.000 And also, I think the founders, you know, they don't mention Christianity to the best of my knowledge, but they did mention they strongly indicated there was a deity and there was a God.

01:08:56.000 And I think that that is important.

01:09:01.000 But the Constitution, the way I read it, is that the individual has a right to practice whatever religion they want.

01:09:10.000 And I think that's the way to do it.

01:09:11.000 It's an individual right.

01:09:14.000 It's not a church right. 0.90

01:09:16.000 I don't like the combination of the religious being in charge of the government, the combination.

01:09:27.000 I know there's examples that things worked out pretty well, but basically speaking, I think it has to be an individual right, and you should never be punished for that, to do that. 0.99

01:09:45.000 And of course, right now, I think there is.

01:09:49.000 I think the side that's having momentum right now are the ones that are nihilistic, that lying is pretty good.

01:09:59.000 I think our government lies to it.

01:10:02.000 That's a secret you have.

01:10:03.000 I think they lie to us a lot.

01:10:06.000 I think that's a big problem.

01:10:09.000 Except I think they said in the Soviet system, all the citizens in Russia in the Soviet system knew the government always lied.

01:10:20.000 Sometimes I think.

01:10:22.000 And yet, the Soviet system broke apart in a miraculous way. 0.76

01:10:28.000 It just fell apart, and we didn't even have to fulfill a nuclear exchange, which we were warned about in the 60s. 0.59

01:10:36.000 So I think that nihilism maybe that'll help us do that, that people will finally get tired of the lies, and they are.

01:10:45.000 People are tired.

01:10:47.000 They're more tired now of what's going on than I remember.

01:10:52.000 It was bad with Vietnam, but I think it's much more sinister now about the lying they tell.

01:11:02.000 Nobody expects that you could get punished these days.

01:11:06.000 It used to be like we were accused of anti Semitism. 0.99

01:11:10.000 No, if you tell the truth of what we're supposed to do and what we promised and what the Constitution says, you become the enemy. 0.98

01:11:21.000 Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

01:11:24.000 And I believe that.

01:11:25.000 Thank you for continuing to tell the truth in an empire of lies.

01:11:29.000 Thank you for your example and thank you for your time today.

01:11:33.000 Thanks for being so patient with me and for the people that post questions.

01:11:36.000 And thank you, Dr. Rumpole, for continuing to be an example of what can be achieved through diligence and abeyance to simple principles like truth telling.

01:11:44.000 Thank you for your time.

01:11:46.000 Thank you.

01:11:47.000 Have a good day.

01:11:49.000 God bless you, Doctor.

01:11:49.000 God bless you.

01:11:50.000 Well, we will be back, of course, on, what day is this now?

01:11:55.000 Wednesday.

01:11:56.000 We'll be back on Friday.

01:11:57.000 Not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:12:00.000 Thank you very much for your time today.

01:12:01.000 Remember that How to Become Christian in Seven Days by me, I wrote that, is available now.

01:12:06.000 There's a link in the description so you can get that from Tucker Carlson Books.

01:12:10.000 We've got some fantastic stuff coming up.

01:12:11.000 I'm going to be talking to Jeremiah Johnson, who's brilliant at describing the historicity of Christ, exploring like artifacts and evidence for the historical Christ and how the historical Christ aligns with the political and religious God, man, deity.

01:12:31.000 We'll be talking to him later on this week.

01:12:33.000 And so I'll see you on Friday.

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01:12:39.000 And thanks again to Doc. Ron Paul for joining us today.

01:12:42.000 See you next time, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:12:45.000 Until then, if you can stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 06, 2026

The System is Collapsing | Ron Paul — SF713

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