00:05:55.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:05:57.000It's a very special show because we are being joined by Ron Paul.
00:06:00.000And in a time of crisis and confusion and fallen idols and spreading an endless war, there's a kind of new tower of Babel almost where people don't know what to believe in.
00:06:13.000People will believe in anything every day, a new conspiracy theory every day.
00:06:21.000Every day, further reasons for despair, confusion and annihilation.
00:06:25.000We're living sort of in a time where it feels like history is melting away, its lessons not received.
00:06:32.000So it's a great honour to be able to introduce Dr. Ron Paul.
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00:06:54.000Ron Paul is a former congressman, physician, and longtime advocate for limited government, individual liberty, and non interventionist foreign policy.
00:07:02.000What if we wake up one day and realize that the terrorist threat is a predictable consequence of our meddling in the affairs of others and has nothing to do with us being free and prosperous?
00:07:13.000First elected to Congress in the 1970s, he became one of the most influential libertarian voices in American politics, building a loyal following through his opposition to endless wars, central banking, and government overreach.
00:07:25.000His presidential campaigns in 2008 and 2012 helped shape a generation of anti-establishment politics, particularly among younger voters skeptical of both parties.
00:07:34.000Today, through his writing, interviews, and the Ron Paul Liberty Report, he continues to challenge mainstream narratives around war, economics, and personal freedom.
00:07:43.000You know, when the founding fathers got sick and tired of the British tax, and they had a tax of about 25%, the American people are rather complacent to put up with this.
00:07:54.000Thank you for joining us, Dr. Ron Paul.
00:07:59.000So, hey, Doctor, at the moment we can't hear you.
00:08:03.000I'm not sure if that challenge is taking place at your end.
00:08:06.000Massey, can I hear you talk for a second?
00:08:13.000So, yeah, like so, our audio is working this end.
00:08:15.000Doctor, if you've got someone there that can assist you with that audio, likely it might be muting on Zoom or the platform, whatever platform it is we're using to connect with you.
00:08:26.000But if you can hear me, this is what the first.
00:08:28.000Perhaps get some assistance on that microphone.
00:08:34.000So I think someone needs to assist you with the platform and the audio there.
00:08:39.000But I can firstly outline some of the areas that I want to discuss with you because it feels like a unique and particular moment of disarray and confusion.
00:08:51.000This is the first thing I'm going to ask you about when eventually we're able to access your audio, sir.
00:09:45.000And can you guide us to what we will be campaigning for and highlighting so that our audience, who live in this kind of instantaneous, constant churn environment, can have the benefit of your insights when it comes to the necessity for systemic change, sir?
00:10:04.000Well, I think the systemic changes are destined, they will happen.
00:10:10.000And Trump is in the middle of it, but he didn't create it.
00:10:14.000I think the destiny is that when you don't follow a set of rules that make a lot of sense and defend liberty, you're going to get this mishmash.
00:10:24.000For instance, if you defy the principles of sound money and you allow the government in secret to print money out of thin air and start wars and not expose what they're doing to the people, you can do that for so long and you can run your debt up for so long.
00:10:40.000But eventually, it has to end because the people will get disgusted.
00:10:46.000They sort of got aware of this and a major event occurred in 1971 because we were doing way too much and the deficit was too big and we had to declare the bankruptcy.
00:11:00.000That's when we went off the gold standard.
00:12:36.000But we have to talk about how and why and why do the people support it.
00:12:42.000One of the principles that you've just described is the problem that occurs when you decouple a nation's wealth from gold-backed currency.
00:12:53.000Perhaps because this is an idea that you've been Disseminating and describing for some time.
00:12:59.000It's something that I'm, as much as any lay person can be, familiar with.
00:13:04.000If I'm familiar with it, and many more advanced minds than mine are familiar with it, what is the obstacle to this notion being advanced politically?
00:13:17.000What power exists that prevents even that one principle being instituted, Doctor?
00:13:25.000It's a result of a principle that we endorsed 100 years ago in the progressive era, and that was the debasement of the currency and the giving up of the currency and opening up the doors to those hungry for power to, in secret, be able to manipulate all the economy for special favors, like supporting the military industrial complex.
00:13:49.000So the principle was that the founders were very clear only gold and silver were to be used as legal tender.
00:13:57.000And It was announced in 71, which is a date that I talk about a lot when we rejected the gold standard because we left that and that opened up the doors.
00:14:09.000I'm amazed that the corruption and the fraudulent and the counterfeiting of money has lasted this long.
00:14:16.000But what it leads to, the longer it lasts, the more distortion there will be, the more there will be a division between the rich and the poor.
00:14:25.000And right now, you know, you could read certain articles from certain papers.
00:14:34.000But if you go and find out what the people are doing, and some of the polling now does reflect the fact that the people can't pay their bills and they won't be able to live very long without a paycheck.
00:14:48.000So we're in a crucial danger spot of deficits and this runaway inflation with our currency.
00:14:58.000But neither political party has an appetite.
00:15:03.000To abide by the principle you've just described.
00:15:09.000So, how will that principle ever be politically realized?
00:15:55.000Are we not ultimately, Doctor, discussing the requirement for systemic change so that there is actual representative power?
00:16:04.000Democracy because otherwise, no one is ever going to reverse what happened in 1971.
00:16:10.000No one's offering it, no one's people are discussing it, but no one that's in a position to instantiate it.
00:16:16.000So, what is the change that's required even for that one change to be even discussed?
00:16:23.000So, I'm not quite as pessimistic as that because that's where I find some optimism that there are the changers, the bright people are changing their minds.
00:17:07.000We lost it through the people doing the discussion and the people who grabbed hold of the progressive educational system because I think it's government schools versus an independent thinking group.
00:17:20.000So, I say there's a lot of people, a Mises Institute, I can name 10 little groups, and that's small in number, but it's very, very important that there's people doing this, and they're out there.
00:17:33.000And I was very much encouraged when I did my campaign.
00:17:38.000You say, yeah, but you didn't get anywhere.
00:17:40.000You didn't win any states or anything.
00:17:43.000But I saw thousands of kids, young people, college kids on liberal college campuses, when you talk to them about liberty and why it's important.
00:17:52.000To have sound money and restrain the government, they understood this.
00:18:00.000I'm a pessimist on the short run because I believe the debt and the malinvestment that has occurred with the destruction of the currency has to be liquidated.
00:18:10.000And right now, you know, our debt now is the greatest it's ever been.
00:18:15.000And, you know, they overlooked the debt during World War II, but it's bigger than that now.
00:18:33.000There's no doubt about it because everybody's become dependent.
00:18:36.000The system we have now today is disgusting because the executive branch of our government and the government itself for years has always passed out stuff.
00:18:48.000How much money has been passed out, counterfeit money, to the universities?
00:18:56.000So if the universities don't have the right professors, Professors teaching there, uh, they threaten them.
00:19:04.000The government says to them and Trump will say to them, well, if you don't do it our way and don't, you don't let these speakers come in and you don't teach this, that we're going to take your money away.
00:19:13.000And so we've taught people to be addicted to this.
00:19:16.000And yet we still do have private schools.
00:19:19.000We still do have, uh, you know, homeschooling.
00:19:22.000We still have you on the air because you want to talk about this.
00:19:26.000And I think subtly there's a lot, it's a lot better off on the educational part because in my understanding of how the system works, it isn't a numbers game.
00:19:39.000You don't have to wait and say, well, you have to have 51%.
00:19:42.000No, authoritarians are pure democracy, get the majority out there and they can take in, do anything you want.
00:19:50.000No, I think right now it's a small minority that has to change the attitude.
00:19:57.000And that's the way the revolution occurred.
00:20:00.000They didn't convince the, you know, the The people in the colonies to have a vote, and there was 30 to 21 percent.
00:20:07.000There were leaders, and we call them the founding fathers.
00:20:10.000And boy, if you read the details of the founding fathers, it's really they deserve a lot of admiration.
00:20:17.000So, there, but we have them here, we have them now.
00:20:21.000You know, the Austrian School of Economic Policy, and I can name six of them that I got to know real well, and they've been teaching for a long time, and they're out there.
00:20:34.000That if I go on a trip and I'm, uh, uh, if I talk to, to the people, they said that, uh, they, they themselves have started their own program.
00:20:46.000And I always had a habit of, no matter who called, it would be even before I ran for office, they would call, uh, from a university.
00:20:54.000Oh, we have 15 members in our libertarian club.
00:21:52.000It was for me that yes, you've got to tell the truth and then you've got to give them an answer.
00:21:57.000And to me, the answer is in as pure as an understanding of liberty as you can get and honesty.
00:22:04.000I think people should learn to know what a natural law is of a, you know, it's natural, I believe from the beginning of time, that you're not supposed to lie and cheat and steal and murder people.
00:22:16.000And probably 99% of the people agree with that.
00:22:49.000Besides, I think if we play this game and do this, and explain it to them, it actually is a lot of fun for me because I can see how every every year or two, I might get one or two converts that to go out and do a lot better.
00:23:03.000So I I uh, and besides, it's not much fun for me to say well, it's coming to an end and you better get your gun and shoot some people before they take over.
00:23:15.000I come on programs like this because you know I I cheat, because I enjoy it.
00:23:20.000It's when it comes for enjoyment and maybe I don't know how many listeners you have and I don't know how what, how many of your listeners Might be doing something you don't even know about.
00:23:29.000So I think that's, you know, it's a positive attitude that I try to follow.
00:23:34.000Dr. Paul, you're right to encourage us to pursue the principle of joy.
00:23:40.000And please believe me when I say that I recognize that I'm in the presence of an elder with great accumulated wisdom and experience.
00:23:50.000I'd like to publicly thank Christina Tobin for organizing and facilitating this interview.
00:24:10.000And I believe in the unadulterated prima materia of consciousness, our true gift from God, the light that cannot be overcome by darkness.
00:24:22.000And yet, what I feel is that after the events in 2008, that almighty and dreadful global crash, which Barack Obama elected to bail out banks and financial institutions rather than regarding, respecting, and honoring the individual freedom of American people and protecting them financially.
00:24:47.000And then, I suppose, 11 years later, another global crisis, this time the pandemic, the COVID pandemic, that has produced so many questions and so much confusion, but similarly appears to have advanced the kind of decimation.
00:25:05.000That you're describing, even when we just limit our discussion to financial matters and financial falsehoods, it seems to me that we're in an extraordinary moment because I saw Barack Obama as some kind of last prince of a particular moment that perhaps began in the 60s.
00:25:27.000And I think that now that that has fallen away into nothing, and it might be that we are learning that such a seemingly indefatigable and unique figure as Donald Trump.
00:25:40.000Trump is, I don't want to say controlled because my legal status in this country, for one thing, is slightly fragile.
00:25:45.000But, like, I want to say that if such seemingly diverse political figures can produce such evidently similar results, what's being exposed is that the system itself has its own telos and the taxonomies of republicanism and the Democrats have to be newly exposed.
00:26:11.000That we have to find new language and institute new systems.
00:26:16.000And when you said about those geniuses that created the constitution, that sloughed off the mighty British Empire, which, you know, perhaps you can recognize in my accent, and I have some affinity and affiliation with that.
00:26:31.000It was in order to create, yes, freedom and the right to pursue happiness.
00:26:37.000And I do wonder if the technology that's currently being used, in particular in my country, To surveil people, to control people, to limit people, to potentially, if indeed, central currencies, centralized digital currencies are further instituted to financially persecute, penalize, and control people.
00:26:59.000This very technology, it appears to me, could be inverted to realize the vision of your founding fathers in a new way maximum freedom, maximum democracy, minimal government intervention.
00:27:18.000Isn't a because the system itself is contained and restricted by arguments that prohibit anything but its own sustenance?
00:27:29.000That there has to be intercession from outside.
00:27:33.000I don't mean outside of America, I mean outside of the conversation.
00:27:37.000And I believe that your wealth of experience, coupled with the potential of new technology, founded upon the documents upon which your country was built, somehow holds the solution.
00:27:50.000And I want to know what's required from American people to bring that about.
00:28:03.000And that is beyond, you know, just telling somebody to act in a certain way.
00:28:09.000And the founders understood that issue about you have nothing if you don't have a moral people.
00:28:15.000So really the cause started with the people, Becoming immoral and wasting and taking all this wealth and consuming it, and we still have wealth in spite of all the destruction.
00:28:31.000And the wealth, we were blessed with a lot of wealth, and it also spoiled us to the sense we had the currency of the world and we had all the natural resources, but we had individuals that wanted more and more and more power, and all this stuff went on.
00:28:49.000And in 08, things like that happened, they're predictable.
00:28:53.000And if you're understanding Austrian economics, you don't be surprised.
00:29:04.000And I think that is something that we have to prepare for.
00:29:11.000But I believe that you can understand this.
00:29:15.000You can see it and you can get unhappy with it's not going fast enough.
00:29:21.000But the one thing that the Austrian economist said, especially Mises, if you inflate, that is, If you print money and destroy sound money, interest rates are not stable and you don't know what they really are.
00:29:46.000The rule of that is it self-destructs.
00:29:49.000And we're in the middle of the self-destruction.
00:29:52.000And the other thing is that even though you and I might agree on how bad things are, the one thing we don't know is what's going to happen tomorrow or the next day.
00:30:22.000They say, why'd you spend so much time in Congress?
00:30:25.000It's only because I never expected to go.
00:30:28.000And after I went, I figured, well, what should I do?
00:30:30.000I thought I'd leave a message and I wouldn't have to stay very long because they wouldn't want to hear it.
00:30:36.000But I think that is an understanding that we're capable of the monetary issue.
00:30:44.000There's been more talked about that and understanding in the last couple decades.
00:30:49.000And the prediction is when they do that and mix it in with a bunch of moral people in the government doing really bad things, that it ends.
00:31:01.000And the bubble bursts and something has to be done.
00:31:06.000The big problem is when is that going to happen?
00:31:10.000You can predict what's going to happen, but you can't say, you know, this is going to happen in two months or two years or 10 years.
00:31:18.000But you can't continue to be prosperous and happy and living under conditions like that by just living and borrowing and running up debt and people fighting over the crumbs.
00:31:30.000Right now, I think one of the biggest issues that has to be dealt with, and the politicians know this, and that is the The discretion, the difference between the rich and the poor.
00:31:44.000There are more and more rich and more poor.
00:31:48.000And, you know, the distribution of wealth is not the right thing.
00:32:41.000But I think the understanding of Austrian economics and the basic principles of liberty and basic principles of no lying and no stealing, everybody knows that from the time of Adam and Eve, you know, that we've been taught that.
00:32:58.000So, and the other thing is, I much rather be happy than sad.
00:34:21.000But Leonard Reed of the Foundation for Economics once told me, he says, What you need to do first is learn, study and learn, which I'm still trying.
00:35:01.000And we know it's superior to all this thing that's going on today that has to use force and violence and killing and fraud and all these things to do it.
00:35:18.000Dr. Paul, we have to have a quick commercial break because we are determined to live financially responsibly.
00:35:25.000When we return from the commercial break, which is a requirement of our economic model, we will have questions and comments from the people in the chat.
00:35:35.000So please post your questions in there.
00:35:38.000And we will also, I want to ask you particularly about Bitcoin and digital currency and the possibility for new liberty that might come from new forms of currency.
00:35:48.000I also want to ask you about Jesus Christ.
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00:37:15.000Dr. Paul, do you think that digital currencies are one way in which we may be able to decouple ourselves from the inflationary madness that you've spent the first part of our conversation describing?
00:37:30.000Yes, it could be, but I don't see it on the horizon being automatic.
00:37:35.000And I'm real close to the Bitcoin people, but I'm not up and down and saying, this is it.
00:37:47.000But the reason the Bitcoin people like to listen to what I have to say about Bitcoin is I introduced legislation for competing currencies to make it legal for us to do it.
00:38:00.000But one of the first things the Bitcoin leaders have done is go to the Congress and said, they said, we got to get involved and get the regulations lined up so we know what we're doing, whether we're a bond or a stock or whatever.
00:38:17.000So they're much too close to the government.
00:38:19.000But the principle of the currency is there.
00:38:24.000It doesn't fulfill the basic principles going all the way back to Aristotle that you had to have something that you can define and something that you can use if you don't use it as money.
00:38:34.000So this is a little bit mysterious for me.
00:38:37.000But where I have joined in is it has to be legal and made legal.
00:38:43.000It's sort of like having freedom of speech.
00:38:47.000Only about 10% of the time we have to monitor what you're saying.
00:38:51.000And then besides that, then after that, they have to monitor.
00:38:54.000So freedom of speech is sort of like Bitcoin.
00:38:58.000They say, yeah, you can have all these.
00:39:01.000And I don't understand them all, but I understand the principle of liberty.
00:39:05.000But I also understand don't get too close to the government because it won't fulfill your hopes and dreams of having something that will really compete.
00:39:14.000Because history goes against us because legal tender where the government takes control is is well known.
00:40:13.000I'm thinking like Patrick Henry, I think is who I'm thinking of, said that there should be more decentralization, that we don't want any federal control.
00:40:20.000Now, sometimes I feel that what's required is almost another revolutionary moment, where if these systems of government that you have described, are so intransigent, so controlled, so unwilling to yield,
00:40:37.000the tendency towards corruption so evident and obvious, able to withstand peculiar characters and brilliant new movements, the inertia so strong that it seems that the moral decline will continue, the financial decline will continue, the wars will continue, unless there is an external intercession, unless something intercedes.
00:41:01.000Now, early in our conversation, you said that you feel optimistic about people.
00:41:07.000Do you think one possibility is that instead of using the systems, instead of operating within the institutions of government, is it possible that using some of this new technology, we begin parallel systems using, you know, for one example being Bitcoin or cryptocurrencies to establish parallel economies and systems?
00:41:31.000Because it seems in a way that the United States of America and the world at large, one could say, is facing a similar moment where empire is so strong, moral decline so ubiquitous, that without something radical and interventionist, we can see where this is heading.
00:41:54.000What I mean to say is that now that we have the technology for different types of currency, now that we have the technology for different types of communication, it's pretty clear one of the lessons I took from the COVID era is the centralized control of information that had existed even 10 years before has begun to unravel,
00:42:21.000which meant that people got access to information that prevented them from yielding further authority to, I think, governments that by and large were acting either in bad faith or in ineptitude.
00:42:36.000So, my question to you is this could we begin?
00:42:41.000To start parallel movements using cryptocurrencies and communicative technology that mean that we don't have to spend all our time sort of competing in environments controlled by a donor class, lobbyists, extraneous powers, supranational powers that can't be undone.
00:43:01.000No one's going to ban lobbying tomorrow.
00:43:04.000No one's going to say, hey, neither political party or any candidate can accept donations anymore.
00:43:11.000Meaningful, meaningful legislation that stops people in Congress finding ways to trade in stocks and shares that they have inside information on.
00:43:21.000It seems to me that the system is so decrepit, so decrepit and broken that unless there is another revolutionary moment that I suppose, in the same way that your founding fathers did, implements the available technology information.
00:43:37.000Like in their case, I don't know, the ideas of Thomas Paine and whatever other documents and philosophies were foundational.
00:43:46.000Seems to me that this is a comparable moment.
00:43:49.000And once you've answered that, whether or not you think that there could be an organization that's truly independent again, almost a new declaration of independence, a kind of a revolutionary moment that treats almost the American government the same as the British government.
00:44:02.000I don't, you know, what I mean to say is a centralized monarchical force.
00:44:05.000I'm not talking about any individual leader like Trump.
00:44:08.000My own position is when it comes to the most significant issues of our time, it would have been the same if Kamala Harris had won.
00:44:21.000It kind of, aren't we being sort of told in this post Epstein moment that the systems themselves have to change or in some ways revert to what they were intended to be?
00:44:31.000That there is a negative inertia that, if it's not opposed, is going to lead to perdition.
00:44:39.000And it's a shame that that would be allowed because now there is technology and opportunity that didn't exist previously.
00:44:49.000Yes, I think that can be the case that's available, but it's not likely to happen.
00:44:55.000That it will be a clear cut division or the takeover, you know, of the views that we like.
00:45:02.000I think there will always be a contest between good and evil.
00:45:06.000And I look at some of these things that we're talking about, like nuclear energy.
00:45:13.000When you think about it, if nuclear energy was only used for peaceful purposes and to see what would happen, I don't think there'd be a Any need for any worry about any oil or anything else, everybody would probably have a small nuclear generator doing everything.
00:45:34.000Anyway, nuclear energy could be a great thing, but it also can destroy the world.
00:45:39.000And I think that's the way other things are.
00:45:44.000We had a short little example of what I'm talking about with COVID.
00:45:49.000And I don't know what it was like in your country, but it was sinful in the United States.
00:45:56.000When they cracked down and People started to realize they're locking us in our house.
00:46:01.000They repealed the whole thing of self ownership.
00:46:04.000And finally, the people rose up against it because people started standing up.
00:46:10.000The ones that got put in prison, physicians that got to prison, were put in prison because they were telling the truth about it.
00:46:18.000Yet, eventually, I say the people that was telling the truth about COVID had really, for the most part, won that argument because there's a different attitude now about.
00:46:45.000I, I think it was, it was, uh, a few people stuck to their guns and finally attitude, the prevailing attitude turned, turned against all this government demands on us and people.
00:46:57.000They, I think that's, that can happen and be, be, be beneficial.
00:47:03.000But it will not, will not be evil because I think, uh, uh, I, I, I think it's been going on for so long.
00:47:10.000But that doesn't mean you give up and say it because there's been an awful lot of examples of people living for a long time in peace and prosperity, a high percentage.
00:47:21.000Even today, you know, when I talk about how many people are starving in the United States and, and, uh, how many problems we have and how much violence there is.
00:47:33.000And, you know, me personally, I live in a nice town, but I don't live, you know, in a super wealthy place.
00:47:42.000And I look around and all through my life, I've lived in about eight different places, you know, being drafted, you know, I lost my freedoms there.
00:47:51.000But being there, but looking around the neighbors, I didn't see the evil in them, but I sure see the evil.
00:47:59.000I think it's this monopoly of power over people.
00:48:41.000So almost all of life is that it be the, and that goes really back to the basics of of natural law, because the burden is placed on the individual to make these decisions.
00:48:54.000And it's never going to be without turmoil.
00:49:00.000There always will be how that turmoil is handled.
00:49:03.000But all I know is I've come to the conclusion that if it's peace and prosperity that you want, it's much greater in countries that respect and organize under free societies.
00:49:22.000If you, the more authoritarian the society is, the worse it is.
00:49:25.000So I can, I can't get a, a, an approach to, uh, get, getting the government out of, probably just about everything, have local governments or something going on.
00:49:38.000But, uh, there is that, there is that temptation of people that lose control of their good desires.
00:49:45.000And it, it, I see it always in the Congress.
00:49:48.000I've helped quite a few people get to Congress who spoke my language.
00:49:54.000They'll probably be, Doing the same thing.
00:49:57.000But the tinkle, sometimes, I tell you, when a new member came in, if I knew about him, I would predict, you know, after his two or three first week to see how, whether he was going to vote by instructions by the government or whether he was going to vote on moral grounds that he campaigned on.
00:50:16.000And not many, they change very quickly because they're told out of pragmatism, well, you want on this committee, don't you?
00:50:27.000We're going to raise the money for this and on and on.
00:50:30.000You know, so it's the individual making those moral choices.
00:50:34.000It's probably the most important thing that will determine our future.
00:50:38.000Dr. Paul Tulsi Gabbard came on the show a while ago and said that when she first was in Congress, she felt like she was entering into some kind of sausage machine where she was trotted through various lobbyists' offices and given all manner of opportunity and was tantalized.
00:51:02.000So, I know that what you're telling me is true that there's a kind of Mr. Smith goes to Washington, the documentary is the experience of basically anyone who gets involved in American politics.
00:51:16.000Could you tell me when, during your long career in politics, when have you felt and who particularly have you felt that you are around greatness and people that have made a difference and are trying to make a difference?
00:51:32.000Or are they people that are in Congress?
00:51:34.000Or are they activists and campaigners?
00:51:36.000When have you felt that you're around people that are able to convey principles effectively and meaningfully, that are able to make a difference?
00:51:46.000I think the atmosphere today is a lot worse than it was when I was there, you know, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, because I would practice deliberately doing what I believed in.
00:51:59.000And that is when somebody, the one thing I black my mind out to is, are they a Republican or a Democrat?
00:53:15.000I just hear too much, but I hope the ending of this story is better, and that is the way the president's treating Thomas Massey.
00:53:26.000That is the kind of stuff I don't like because I'm always looking for something I agree with him on, and the other thing that I have a personal rule on and said, why don't you do this is, why do you do this?
00:53:41.000Just ask them, recognize them, and give them a feeling that he cares.
00:53:46.000He wants to know what I'm going to do.
00:53:48.000And there's a big difference on how you handle that.
00:53:51.000And so I never, there were some other stories there that I enjoyed because they were giving me a boost.
00:53:59.000And they didn't, they might punish the Congress or the Republican Party, everybody else, and said, except Ron Paul, he doesn't have to because we know what he's going to do.
00:54:11.000So there are some payments that you get.
00:54:13.000And that's one of mine was just the satisfaction that people would listen.
00:54:31.000I'm glad that Thomas Massey's name has come up.
00:54:34.000I've been sent this by Christina, actually, our mutual friend says that Ed Galrain, who is the candidate standing against him in Kentucky, has received.
00:54:53.000And I suppose it's precisely that kind of support that indicates that there could be interests beyond the interests of the American people, whether it's coming from APAC or any other lobbying interest.
00:55:06.000It seems like that's the type of intervention that your country could do without.
00:55:15.000Well, you know, there was a time when that was very, very important and it was stereotyped.
00:55:24.000They knew if they challenged somebody that was supported by AIPAC, that you'd be declared, oh, he must be anti-Semitic and this sort of thing.
00:55:34.000And yet, I think that it's something that people now are looking at differently because of the Palestinian war and the bombing.
00:55:51.000People are being more objective of all of this.
00:55:56.000And I keep In spite of all the wars, which I think makes things worse, I quite frankly believe that support financially and doing all this for Israel on long terms is going to hurt Israel.
00:56:14.000And yet I think that they can get along probably, but it is something that we create and yet it's changing right now.
00:56:27.000The attitude has changed and that's why the Democratic Party is sort of.
00:57:18.000Yeah, I'm not quite sure what he means, but the distribution of wealth becomes really muddied because in a libertarian society, a free market, you wouldn't have this.
00:57:33.000But, you know, I was born the same year they gave Social Security.
00:57:40.000But it is, Social Security and all those programs probably helped the middle class more than the poor people.
00:57:48.000This is the most wicked thing about the system we have of the money because no one, what program you're talking about is a transfer of wealth from the middle class and the poor because the rich aren't complaining about the cost of a loaf of bread.
00:58:07.000Rather purposely, but they pass out, they keep the masses satisfied by giving out some largesse and giving them bonuses.
00:58:18.000But the one thing that has been documented is that if politicians continue to do what they do, give money to certain groups so that they'll vote for them, and if they do that, they never catch up because the Debt that's run up and the inflation prices go up faster than all the bonuses that they give.
00:58:45.000That's why you have to have a clear understanding why people do better with freedom rather than depending on a few clowns up in Washington distributing the wealth.
00:58:55.000Now there's, uh, now there's a big, big charge now checking all these programs because there's so much fraud.
00:59:03.000There's, you know, they, you know, he took money out of the kitty and that was supposed to help, help the kids.
00:59:09.000But what about the money they take out of the middle class?
00:59:14.000But it gets worse when they go and take the money out of the money that was supposed to go to the poor people.
00:59:20.000That's why independent wealth and earnings, people get wealthier, and people don't have enough confidence that everybody's better off under those differences.
00:59:32.000But there are statistics to show that the more the government is there and the more that they want to help by redistributing wealth, the worse things get.
00:59:44.000Do you have another question there, beloved Jake?
01:00:06.000I think the gentleman's uh describing something I was disappointed in always because uh, you know, I think of myself as being liberal, but if you say, I remember saying that in one of my early campaigns, the Republican Party came up, And liberal to me was meant what the classical.
01:00:25.000Economist called liberal and somebody whispered here, don't ever use that word liberal again, because that means you were like a socialist.
01:00:33.000So yeah, the liberal, uh the, the name is, is is important, and uh, I think that uh the, the liberals or the progressive is the same way I, i'd like to think i'm progressive in many ways but uh, you know, like being non-violent and looking for change and refusing to use anybody else to do my bidding.
01:00:59.000So progressive, I think, is a good word.
01:01:02.000What if you were opposed to war and these kind of things?
01:01:06.000I'd say that is progressive, but they turn it around and the right, the conservatives are responsible for this because they have labeled it that.
01:01:15.000If you say they put on the word progressive, oh, they have to be bad people.
01:01:21.000And I probably do make a mistake there too because I talk about the progressive era.
01:01:28.000which was not progressive, really ushered in the 20th century.
01:01:34.000And the universities are what really converted so many people into the system of government that we're suffering from right now.
01:02:32.000You know, in a way, maybe, but, you know, we weren't allowed to own gold in this country for 43 years.
01:02:40.000You know, when Roosevelt took it off and we weren't able to get it re-legalized where people owned it was in 1975.
01:02:47.000And that came out of the Gold Commission report, which was established, you know, as a, under the Gold Commission to recognize at least many of the coins.
01:03:02.000Through the 70s, we had a terrible financial situation, but I think we took a major step in the right direction.
01:03:13.000But of course, ironically or probably expectedly, the day that it was made legal, I remember the day very clear because everybody thought everybody's going to run out and buy gold.
01:03:24.000But they had already, the buyers and the people who believed it already bought the gold.
01:04:14.000But they might say, well, if you start spending your gold, You have to pay 50% tax on your gold as you spend it, something like that.
01:04:22.000So it's back to the basic principle of people understanding what non aggression is, no violence, and understanding what ownership means of your own body and your own thoughts.
01:04:38.000If you have all these wonderful liberties, you have to know one thing that you can't hurt other people.
01:04:45.000And that would make a wonderful world as far as I'm concerned.
01:04:49.000Dr. Paul, are those principles derived from faith?
01:04:54.000To have absolute principles, is there a requirement for absolute faith in God?
01:05:04.000Are you asking me personally about my faith?
01:05:23.000Theology is an interesting subject that I deal with internally as much as anything, because for some reason, I say, I don't wear my religion on my sleeve like, you know, I'm holier than you.
01:05:42.000So I don't push it that way, but I try to practice what I do that would reflect on what I'm saying, that, oh, he's probably a Christian, the way he talks.
01:05:55.000And our family is, I remain a strong believer in Christianity.
01:06:09.000And I suppose the reason I ask is obviously because it appears that your constitution is to some degree formulated around Christian ideas and absent of them.
01:06:26.000I wonder if it can be sustained or practiced.
01:06:31.000And also because I'm, in a way, still trying to work out how to handle the, you know, like you've talked about it being kind of quite private or at least not explicit or evangelical in your case.
01:06:47.000But because one of the things that's continually come up in this conversation is moral decline in accompaniment with the principle of freedom and financial freedom and limiting government.
01:07:00.000Intervention, I wonder about authority.
01:07:05.000I wonder that I suppose it seems to me that the government is assuming the authority of a kind of God and behaving like a kind of God.
01:07:23.000And indeed, even one might say the idea of welfare is a bureaucratization of charity.
01:07:32.000So I guess that's the reason that I asked.
01:07:37.000I suppose what you're saying is that faith is a matter, a personal matter that people should be able to recognize through your actions rather than.
01:08:42.000And also, I think the founders, you know, they don't mention Christianity to the best of my knowledge, but they did mention they strongly indicated there was a deity and there was a God.
01:09:16.000I don't like the combination of the religious being in charge of the government, the combination.
01:09:27.000I know there's examples that things worked out pretty well, but basically speaking, I think it has to be an individual right, and you should never be punished for that, to do that.
01:09:45.000And of course, right now, I think there is.
01:09:49.000I think the side that's having momentum right now are the ones that are nihilistic, that lying is pretty good.
01:11:25.000Thank you for continuing to tell the truth in an empire of lies.
01:11:29.000Thank you for your example and thank you for your time today.
01:11:33.000Thanks for being so patient with me and for the people that post questions.
01:11:36.000And thank you, Dr. Rumpole, for continuing to be an example of what can be achieved through diligence and abeyance to simple principles like truth telling.
01:11:57.000Not with more of the same, but with more of the different.
01:12:00.000Thank you very much for your time today.
01:12:01.000Remember that How to Become Christian in Seven Days by me, I wrote that, is available now.
01:12:06.000There's a link in the description so you can get that from Tucker Carlson Books.
01:12:10.000We've got some fantastic stuff coming up.
01:12:11.000I'm going to be talking to Jeremiah Johnson, who's brilliant at describing the historicity of Christ, exploring like artifacts and evidence for the historical Christ and how the historical Christ aligns with the political and religious God, man, deity.
01:12:31.000We'll be talking to him later on this week.