Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Truth About Iran, Israel & U.S. War – Erik Prince Breaks It Down - SF603

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00:00:33.000 Now the reason you'll like this conversation with Eric Prince, former Navy SEAL founder of Blackwater, currently has a phone called Unplugged, which is like, as the name suggests, a cell phone that's unplugged from the system that you could use and be free from surveillance.

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00:02:34.000 Eric Prince founded Blackwater.

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00:02:53.000 More than ever before, I'm bewildered by the rate of change, the continual, incessant and contradictory updates when it comes in particular to the Iran and Israel conflict.

00:03:06.000 And in a way, we have to talk about this broadly, even though we'll probably stream this interview less than 24 hours after we record it.

00:03:12.000 Who knows what changes might have been made?

00:03:14.000 And I wanted to take advantage of the fact that as the founder of Blackwater and as a former Navy SEAL, you're likely a person who has an understanding of the conflicts in that region that I'm always mentally trying to grasp for when reporting on it of what I intuit is that there's an inaccessible stream of information that the people that are making decisions are using as their reference point that the media

00:03:44.000 are not gaining access to.

00:03:46.000 If that's not true, then I don't know why it's all so chaotic and confusing.

00:03:51.000 And I wonder what you have to say about that.

00:03:52.000 Is there almost a secondary ulterior narrative that is unfolding?

00:04:00.000 You're right that the things that the rate of change is faster than humans can keep up with when you think about the targeting that's going on from space-based or aircraft-based sensors to vector in weapons onto a human, a general, a IRGC leader, or for the Iranians to respond to shoot at whatever target of interest they have in Israel.

00:04:28.000 It is faster than human brains can comprehend.

00:04:31.000 And then when you have shots taken and you try to do the battle damage assessment or the media spin on it, it becomes increasingly hard to comprehend.

00:04:42.000 And then when you look at the when a when a society gets stressed, both Iranian and Israeli society, and you see the schisms between the mullahs that are ostensibly in charge of the country, the IRGC, which behaves like the SS did to the German state in the 30s and 40s, 0.54

00:05:06.000 versus the Iranian army, which has been taking the pounding to have a lot of their conventional capabilities just destroyed, their aircraft, their missile systems, et cetera.

00:05:16.000 It all becomes exceedingly difficult. 0.95

00:05:19.000 And then, you know, when President Trump negotiates a ceasefire and one side starts loading up a whole bunch of bombs before that ceasefire is supposed to take effect, then somebody else responds and he, out of frustration today, you know, the president dropped some 30,000-pound bunker buster bombs, but he dropped an F-bomb today on the south lawn of the White House saying these people have been fighting for so long, they don't know what the fuck they're doing anymore. 0.54

00:05:46.000 And that's a man that's been trying to bring peace to try to be like Solomon and slice, you know, slice right down the middle.

00:05:54.000 And he is not feeling cooperation from either side.

00:05:59.000 So I didn't agree with him doing the strikes the way he did because I don't think it's going to be the last time it appears necessary.

00:06:11.000 I think Netanyahu and the Israelis will try to drag the United States into a conflict. 0.94

00:06:18.000 And the continued shooting, the continued exchanges would, I guess, I hope I'm wrong, but who knows?

00:06:28.000 The history of that region Is particularly burdened and besmirched with its historical relationship with colonial powers, like the British, I suppose, like a century ago or so ago.

00:06:49.000 And so the reason I mentioned that is because it seems when you're describing even the last 24 or 48 hours, like such an unmanageable, febrile and explosive situation that you can't help but think that it would be better if America were minimally involved.

00:07:08.000 But is that impossible?

00:07:10.000 In fact, in a way, is it impossible to even look at nations in the way that we might on the basis of flags and populations and capital cities and TV shows when there are plainly ulterior relationships, historical and present day, that mean that in a way there is a clear overlap between Israel and the United States or Israel and the United Kingdom when it comes to economic interests and other incentives in that area?

00:07:41.000 It's not just a matter.

00:07:42.000 The complexities don't start at a century ago from any colonial issue.

00:07:47.000 The complexity starts millennia ago, where you have the Persian Empire, which, you know, Zoroastrianism, I think one of the first monotheistic religions took place even before Judaism did.

00:08:07.000 And then you have the Persian Empire, which rolled across.

00:08:13.000 And you had the battles of Thermopylae and Plotea and all the rest with Persia trying to exert its influence and control and the complexities of it. 0.90

00:08:23.000 Look, the Persian Empire was an amazing empire.

00:08:28.000 Iran could be an amazing nation now.

00:08:30.000 You have very smart people, very hardworking, tons of natural resources, very intelligent, very innovative.

00:08:37.000 And you see that in their self-developed weapons programs, cheap precision drones, even potentially a nuclear program.

00:08:47.000 But you have that stimulated by the very extreme view of a Shia set of mullahs, which have had a huge beef against the rest of Islam even, since I think Imam Ali was killed and it became an issue of who was the real descendant, who was the right heir for the Prophet Muhammad.

00:09:10.000 So you have Sunni versus Shia, you have Shia versus Judaism and all the rest. 0.88

00:09:19.000 So yes, it's super complex.

00:09:23.000 And the U.S. has a very, I would say, fatigued and troubled, demonstrably ineffective role in the Middle East.

00:09:32.000 And so taking a step back from that and letting them solve their problems without us having to be directly involved would have been my preference.

00:09:40.000 Yeah.

00:09:40.000 And that fatigue is, I think, heightened by how this sort of blizzard of information and this sort of state of flux where it's very difficult to even envisage a pathway.

00:09:54.000 And I wonder if the reason it's difficult to envisage a pathway through this conflict is because there isn't one.

00:10:01.000 Is my armchair appraisal, literal armchair in this case, that the last half century has been like proxy wars between near-peer superpowers and their advocates, regional advocates in sort of Southeast Asia or Ukraine-Russia currently, and now whatever's unfolding between Iran and Israel, does that have a proxy component?

00:10:26.000 Is it likely that if this situation continues to escalate, that it will at some point involve alliances between Iran and Russia?

00:10:36.000 And is that a significant component in how this will unfold and continue to unfold?

00:10:41.000 Or is it regional and historic in the way that you alluded to just then?

00:10:47.000 Well, look, the Soviet Union certainly helped put the Mullahs in charge in 79. That was definitely aided by the KGB. 0.93

00:10:56.000 The Soviet Union hated having a Western-friendly, forward-leaning, progressive in the right sense of the word leader in the Shah.

00:11:06.000 And so the KGB helped take him down.

00:11:10.000 But now the major energy supplier for China, for the Chinese Communist Party, is Iran.

00:11:17.000 One of the logical, one of the easiest ways for the Iranians to really respond hard right now is to shut the Straits of Hormuz, but the little narrow gap at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. 0.92

00:11:31.000 But 20% of the world's oil flows through that every day.

00:11:34.000 And so if they shut it off, they're hurting their single biggest customer.

00:11:40.000 So maybe they just go after the ships that are hauling to anywhere but China.

00:11:45.000 We'll see.

00:11:46.000 I don't think we've seen the end, despite efforts of a ceasefire.

00:11:50.000 I don't think you'll actually see a ceasefire because the IRGC and the Mullahs have to continue conflict because they are not popular in the rest of their society.

00:12:01.000 They've had some significant unrest in the country over the last 15 years, and they've come close.

00:12:08.000 In the 2009 uprisings, they called it the Green Revolution.

00:12:14.000 They actually had to import Lebanese Hezbollah forces to smash up the protests because they didn't even trust their own Iranian security forces to do so.

00:12:23.000 I don't see Russia coming in hard to support the mullahs now, despite the fact that the Iranians have been providing a lot of drones to Russia to use in Ukraine.

00:12:36.000 Putin just made a statement that he said, well, there's two and a half or three million people in Israel that speak Russian from the amount of Russian Jews that have immigrated to Israel.

00:12:47.000 So I don't see Israel going in after, or I don't see Russia going hard against Israel on that.

00:12:54.000 So Iran is kind of standing alone on this.

00:12:57.000 And a regime that has their back against the wall will continue to lash out because if they kind of let their boot up, they'll probably get overthrown.

00:13:08.000 So I don't know that a ceasefire is a great idea, but now it's up to the Iranian people what their futures are.

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00:15:16.000 You lunatic you.

00:15:18.000 Do you think, nevertheless, that regime change externally activated is an undesirable outcome and that the United States of America shouldn't be sponsoring that kind of regime change? 0.91

00:15:28.000 And how does that connect to like private military overthrows, which I know is something that you know a lot about with regard to Libya, Eric?

00:15:38.000 Well, Libya was not overthrown by PMC support.

00:15:42.000 That was overthrown by US bombing and NATO bombing and a lot of Qatari money supercharged some very Islamist militias.

00:15:54.000 And that's the thing, right?

00:15:55.000 You went from, I mean, Libya was a stable country.

00:15:58.000 Gaddafi was no saint, certainly, but it was at least a stable, semi-sane country.

00:16:05.000 Now Libya is effectively ripped into three countries.

00:16:08.000 Still very chaotic.

00:16:10.000 And that's the real risk you run of a regime change attempt in Iran because ethnic Persians are only about 35 or 40% of the country.

00:16:21.000 There's actually more ethnic Azeris.

00:16:23.000 And then you have Kurds and Baluch and Akwazi Arabs that are the other ethnic minorities.

00:16:29.000 And they all kind of hate the Persians or there's entity toward them because the Persians are kind of the elites. 0.99

00:16:36.000 They're the ones that make most of the money off the sanctions and all the rest.

00:16:39.000 So it is a very volatile thing.

00:16:43.000 And I don't want the U.S. to get drawn into that because, like in the words of Colin Powell, if we break it, we buy it.

00:16:50.000 And we completely stuffed up the so-called liberation of Iraq because the Iranians, having fought a, what, a 10-year war, Iran-Iraq war in the 80s, the Iranians made damn sure that Iraq would never threaten them again. 0.55

00:17:09.000 And so they basically, Iran is the real power in Iraq. 0.91

00:17:14.000 I mean, there's a militia there called the Hastashabi, the Popular Mobilization Unit.

00:17:18.000 It's about 350,000 Shia that are paid by the Iranian government that are led by Iranian officers as part of a semi-government militia, just like Hezbollah was the real power in Lebanon.

00:17:34.000 A Shia militia there, you have the same thing in Iraq.

00:17:37.000 And so the likelihood of significant chaos or even dismemberment of what is now Iran is quite possible. 0.90

00:17:48.000 Even 15 minutes of analysis of conflict in this region reveals the lie that modern free market democracies based on trade has ended the kind of imperialist, colonist exploitation of these kind of nations, because it just seems that there are secondary, unaddressed conflicts that are continually playing out.

00:18:16.000 The more I hear about them, the more I mentally revert either to isolationism, like, you know, at the level of the nation, but certainly at the level of an individual, it's sort of kind of overwhelming to listen to it.

00:18:30.000 I remember once seeing Colonel Gaddafi at some kind of Arab assembly saying that, you know, Saddam Hussein's been assassinated.

00:18:37.000 It seems that there's like a general ploy to take over this region, to depose leaders and to assert friendly affiliate governments.

00:18:45.000 And it seems that he was kind of right about that.

00:18:48.000 And hasn't part of what Blackwater does, Eric, involved the participation of private military entities in coups?

00:19:00.000 In my earlier question, I mentioned, thank you for clarifying the nature of the overthrow of the Libyan government.

00:19:08.000 But was there an operation to overthrow Libya privately or is part of what Blackwater does, provide private assistance in matters of that nature?

00:19:24.000 So I started Blackwater in 1997 when I got out of the SEAL teams.

00:19:28.000 It has started as a training base, As a training facility.

00:19:32.000 SEAL teams, special operations units in America had used private facilities really since the 1970s.

00:19:37.000 And so we built it as a place for government units to train.

00:19:40.000 And then when the USS Cole was blown up in 2000, we ended up training 100,000 Navy sailors how to protect their ship.

00:19:49.000 And then when 9-11 happened, we got pulled into doing security and aviation, logistics support, and more training overseas in Iraq, Afghanistan, other partner nations like that.

00:20:00.000 I sold that business in 210.

00:20:02.000 That was a year before any uprising that happened in Libya, had nothing to do with anything in Libya at all.

00:20:10.000 The only thing we did after I sold that business was Somali piracy.

00:20:15.000 Remember, there was a time in 2009, 10, 11 when there were 70, 80, 90 ships taken per year, anchored off the coast of Somalia for months at a time, waiting for the ransom to get paid.

00:20:26.000 So in that case, we worked with the Somali government and we built a police unit called the Puntland Marine Police Force.

00:20:32.000 And that was kind of an advise and insist where Somalis were trained and advised by Westerners to go interject the pirate logistics.

00:20:40.000 And that worked.

00:20:42.000 The unit went active in 2011 and by 2012, there's really no more piracy.

00:20:47.000 So that was what I was doing in 2010, 11, nothing to do with Libya.

00:20:56.000 Well, you've really live on the precipice of the extreme.

00:21:01.000 I wonder if you'll help me to understand this.

00:21:04.000 I felt like we know that when there's a conflict between a nation like the United States, though there is no nation like the United States, of course, and a country like Iran, that it can't be unbounded warfare because warfare in extremists involves atomic exchanges and annihilation. 0.56

00:21:24.000 So it's sort of always mediated and managed.

00:21:27.000 And from the other side, it seems that warfare from smaller or militarily inferior nations involves guerrilla warfare or terrorism.

00:21:39.000 Do you consider that the special forces organizations of which, of course, you are a member, in a sense, are a counter to the novel forms of warfare that emerge when large nations engage smaller ones?

00:21:55.000 That to counter the threat of terrorism, there has to be a kind of domestic terror force that exists outside of the normal rules of warfare.

00:22:04.000 Is that what like the SAS or Navy SEALs are sort of engaged with?

00:22:08.000 Small units with special skills that have to counter the way that warfare has changed.

00:22:13.000 Now that warfare is not this sort of explicitly agreed upon sort of set of armies engaging in neat lines within neat agreed upon parameters.

00:22:24.000 And is that how you see it?

00:22:26.000 And then once it becomes private as well, that's another avenue of conflict that's sort of opened up.

00:22:34.000 So two ways to think about it.

00:22:36.000 In a conventional unit, you man the equipment because it's the rockets, the artillery, the tanks that do the fighting and killing.

00:22:48.000 In a special operations unit, you equip the man because the man is the weapon system.

00:22:52.000 And when you see the battles playing out in Ukraine now, it is very conventional warfare.

00:22:57.000 It's literally, you took a picture of a battle scene in Ukraine now.

00:23:02.000 It's indistinguishable from the Battle of the Somme or Verdun in World War I, trench warfare, just mindless, grinding slaughter, versus what you saw, what the Ukrainians pulled off deep inside Russia, 0.84

00:23:18.000 launching drones from a shipping container hauled there by an unknowing trucker to attack bombers on airfields, or what the Israelis just did by smuggling small drones and to specifically target certain Iranian leadership or Iranian capability.

00:23:36.000 That is the special operations end of the spectrum.

00:23:39.000 I mean, there was, and there was a whole host of that activity through World War II, right?

00:23:44.000 When Churchill, when Britain was in its darkest days, Churchill started the SOE, the special operations executive, and he said, set Europe ablaze.

00:23:53.000 And they were behind some of the most important missions of World War II, like Operation Gunnerside, which was those guys skied in.

00:24:01.000 Norwegian trained and British operators skied in hundreds of kilometers into Norway to attack a heavy water reactor, to blow it up, to basically kneecap the German nuclear program.

00:24:17.000 I mean, hugely relevant because imagine if Hitler got the bomb in 1944 or 45, it all would have ended very differently. 0.88

00:24:25.000 I love that.

00:24:27.000 But as warfare accelerates and you have the democratization of precision strike and the ability to smack targets with something you can backpack that only cost a few hundred dollars, you're right.

00:24:42.000 It has accelerated.

00:24:43.000 It has changed warfare.

00:24:45.000 And I would argue that societies will even change based on the acceleration of that kind of delivery of energy.

00:24:53.000 I just finished a book called Firepower, which is basically a history of gunpowder.

00:24:58.000 And you can see how societies changed in Europe as they went from spears and shields to muskets and cannons because states changed how they even had to organize to pay for warfare.

00:25:12.000 I think you'll see the same kind of thing.

00:25:14.000 I think you'll see a fracturing of traditional large Leviathan states because of the difficulty of tamping down that much technology.

00:25:23.000 That's very interesting to say that because it's something that I think about a great deal.

00:25:29.000 When you talk about elite special forces, I think there's a, at least to people like myself who know very little about it, a kind of romantic reverence and regard for excellence in any field that contrasts sharply with the brutality that can, the brutality and anonymity that can be provided by advanced technology.

00:25:53.000 When you say that we might be at some kind of tipping point, of course I would value your opinion on those matters Beyond my own sense, opinion, and intuition, that we are no longer able to manage states of this size precisely because of the way that the technology of the gunpowder had political implications, the technology of mass communication and new and emergent currencies have implications also.

00:26:22.000 The model of the state that was offered to us as a kind of regulatory body required to provide protection from medieval times onward, feudal systems and hierarchies that provide protection to the peasantry in exchange for taxes seem increasingly obsolete when models of mass communication could be deployed to create confederacies of maximal democracy everywhere,

00:26:47.000 particularly when the culture seems to be continually telling us, Eric, that we're trapped in constant conflict, whether it's the global yet somehow regional disputes that we spent the first 20 minutes talking about, or the sense that our culture is quaking and broken, that even your country, America, can't continue to accommodate such hot hostility domestically.

00:27:13.000 Now, I know that you are the founder of Unplugged, which is essentially a smartphone that is private and protects users from surveillance and data mining and cyber threats.

00:27:26.000 When I thought about that commodity, I thought about how it's analogous to the idea that I have been fostering and reflecting on, that we might live in more independent communities that trade and communicate independently without the need for centralized intervention,

00:27:45.000 whether that's the state and bureaucracies, national or global, or commercial and corporate interests, in particular now big tech, that are so immersive and tyrannizing that our personal freedom has become kind of a fantasy that we live on rails, we live in cells.

00:28:06.000 And certainly I'm not making a perjury comparison between a country like the UK and the United States or a more obvious and evident tyranny, whether that's socialist or religious or theocratic, say.

00:28:20.000 But what I am saying is that we don't seem to be utilizing technology to maximize freedom at the level of the individual or the community, but actually to maximize control and surveillance.

00:28:30.000 And given what you just said then about the state leviathan quaking and breaking down, do you feel that technology is a participant in that?

00:28:41.000 Not just military technology, but communications technology.

00:28:44.000 And do you think the institutions and systems that benefit from this centralization will yield the amount of power that they have and the benefits that they get from this ongoing centralization when it's clear that decentralization is kind of trying to emerge through the technology and through the fractures that appear both domestically and internationally?

00:29:07.000 I think, yes, that's an excellent question and a lot to unpack there.

00:29:11.000 So I think we have a competition globally for the paradigm of governance.

00:29:18.000 Is it one of freedom, individual choice, where people can in small groups collectively decide how they're going to live?

00:29:28.000 Not collectively.

00:29:29.000 They have a plebiscite, a vote at that level versus the CCP Xi Jinping thought of everything is centralized and you have zero rights.

00:29:41.000 You have zero rights of free speech or association and you are absolutely subservient to the state.

00:29:47.000 And the Chinese Communist Party tries to use every bit of technology to make you subservient to that state to the point of social credit score, of knowing from the ad ID that they're tracking on your phone, whether you're jaywalking. 0.73

00:30:04.000 And because your account is automatically linked, they find it and they can deduct money from your account for jaywalking or automatically for speeding.

00:30:13.000 That level of state control, something that George Orwell in 1984 was alluding to, but now they're trying to perfect it.

00:30:22.000 So yeah, we are in a global competition for that governance.

00:30:27.000 I'm choosing freedom.

00:30:29.000 We came up with the unplugged phone really after the 2020 election when big tech was really flexing up and shutting off certain voices and between COVID and elections and all the rest.

00:30:43.000 And I just said, we're never going to make big tech better by complaining about it, only if we can give them, only if we can compete.

00:30:50.000 And so we had a team together and we decided we're going to build a phone that does not have an advertising ID that stands against all the surveillance capitalism because really, because what happened after 9-11, when government started looking for more 9-11 style hijackers, they went to the advertising firms to collect data, petabytes of data.

00:31:12.000 And then in like 2009, when smartphones became available, the software developer kits, the APKs, were done in a way so that everything you do on that phone is exported.

00:31:28.000 And it makes it back to the app makers and the big tech to sell advertising.

00:31:34.000 I mean, Google is a maximist surveillance company, which collects your data, where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse, and they resell it.

00:31:45.000 And that's why they have a multi-trillion dollar market cap.

00:31:48.000 Apple collects a lot of data.

00:31:51.000 And so the unplugged phone doesn't have an advertising ID.

00:31:55.000 At our root level, we block all the hooks that the apps try to collect from you, all the information.

00:32:03.000 We prevent that.

00:32:04.000 So we prevent that super personalized experience, but we maximize your privacy.

00:32:09.000 And in an era now of AI, which is just vacuuming everywhere, the more of your data that's out there, the more susceptible you are effectively to digital grooming by AI.

00:32:20.000 So we have some really exciting announcements we'll be making next month.

00:32:24.000 We have a fantastic new CEO that came out of the big industry, and he just said, I'm tired of working in an industry for companies that hate me.

00:32:33.000 And we've sold 1,500 unplugged phones so far.

00:32:39.000 No, sorry, 15,000.

00:32:41.000 And we have some very cool things coming on that.

00:32:46.000 but back to the competition of global governance.

00:32:50.000 I think anything you see that big government touches, whether it's healthcare or the pharmaceutical industry or government regulation of education, the more government touches or even how government did in trying to stabilize Iraq or Afghanistan, we really suck.

00:33:09.000 And when you compare that to what private industry has done, I mean, I'm just thinking of Fred Smith, the founder of FedEx.

00:33:19.000 What a life that guy lived.

00:33:21.000 What an amazing service he gave to the world.

00:33:23.000 Private innovation that made it possible to ship a package anywhere in the world pretty much overnight.

00:33:32.000 That didn't exist.

00:33:33.000 There's no possibility that government could have come up with that and anything like that efficiently.

00:33:38.000 And he really made the whole global delivery system much better and made people's lives better.

00:33:45.000 Private sector innovation, the same as what Musk has done with space launch, trying to take it, you know, trying to lower the cost of space launch by a thousand fold.

00:33:54.000 Truly extraordinary.

00:33:55.000 So the more small, innovative stuff that's allowed to flourish and grow is better.

00:34:04.000 The rest of this conversation will be available off YouTube.

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00:34:09.000 We've got so much more to discuss.

00:34:10.000 We're talking about global power.

00:34:12.000 We're talking about ulterior power.

00:34:13.000 We're talking about the hopelessness of contemporary populism if even a well-supported political figure like Trump, once in office, finds himself subject to tides that are beyond his reach or approach.

00:34:27.000 I suppose that's the point of the whole, what is his name?

00:34:30.000 King Knut.

00:34:31.000 Who's the guy that asked them tides to turn back?

00:34:32.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

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00:34:35.000 I'd say one of our big problems in America is we've allowed industry to consolidate way too much.

00:34:40.000 We've effectively stopped doing antitrust enforcement.

00:34:44.000 And so you have way too few banks, way too few insurance companies.

00:34:49.000 There's not nearly enough competition.

00:34:51.000 And private equity and their access to very cheap capital has really scooped up a lot of the mom and pop businesses and industries in all sectors and reduced competition.

00:35:02.000 And that's why we have so much price pressure on the middle class. 0.93

00:35:06.000 And so you either have super elites that have access to unlimited capital right next to the printing press, effectively, or people that are just getting squeezed on the bottom and it's wrong.

00:35:18.000 So if we have more competition, there's a fantastic book I read called The Myth of Capitalism.

00:35:23.000 And it talks about how we need more competition.

00:35:28.000 Like average CEO pay was 12 times the CEO versus the junior man in like 1972.

00:35:37.000 And now it's 360 times.

00:35:39.000 And that's because there's just not nearly enough competition.

00:35:43.000 And we've allowed that massive overconsolidation.

00:35:46.000 And so if we get back to what made America great, small competition amongst industries versus Fortune 500 companies with overpaid lobbyists influencing Washington the wrong way, that's one of the reasons America has troubles right now.

00:36:04.000 I agree with you, but I'm confused because if that consolidation is what occurs over time, then isn't that the same as saying that is the result of that kind of capitalism?

00:36:15.000 And does it, this is a genuine question, not require some external regulatory agency?

00:36:21.000 And that would sort of sound kind of like government because I think that we agree that the same, we agree that the solution is to somehow prevent this consolidation of private corporate power and state power alloying together to create these elites and tyrannies that are impenetrable.

00:36:42.000 But isn't, in a sense, you know, when people say it's not a bug, it's a feature.

00:36:45.000 Isn't the fact that we found ourselves here because the intention was to get here, that the entrepreneurial spirit of like, you know, your Carnegies and your Rockefellers and Rothschilds inevitably and unavoidably somehow leads to that kind of power so great that it automatically aligns with the state. 0.95

00:37:05.000 And also, Eric, what about the entrepreneurialism of these big tech giants, Apple, Google, et cetera?

00:37:10.000 Or do you think that they have in their history alliances with the state and CIA carve-out type partnerships that mean that that's a bogus analysis?

00:37:20.000 Someone came on, I think it was Mike Benz, who said that, you know, like, how do you think Google Maps got access to all that satellite imagery?

00:37:30.000 You know, they're not launching satellites and, you know, like that's obviously an alliance and partnership with state military power.

00:37:38.000 Look, we have laws on the books.

00:37:40.000 There is supposed to be a federal antitrust enforcement, but both parties have effectively stopped doing that.

00:37:48.000 And both parties are bought off by big corporate lobbyists that prevent that from happening.

00:37:56.000 And so we need to, as a body politic, we need to force those issues to have that competition.

00:38:02.000 And it's across whether it's in major industries, call it legacy industrial stuff, up to the big tech side.

00:38:09.000 Look, Google controls like 90% of search.

00:38:14.000 That's hegemony.

00:38:16.000 So look, when John D. Rockefeller produced, I think he had 75 or 80% of the market share of hydrocarbons, of oil and refining, the federal government broke it up.

00:38:31.000 He did better, right?

00:38:32.000 The sum total of all the different companies that he still owned that he had to somewhat divest of.

00:38:39.000 He did better financially, but those companies competed and it improved the average American's quality of life.

00:38:46.000 We need to do that across our industries.

00:38:48.000 I mean, we have basically five major defense contractors.

00:38:52.000 That's why we spend more than the next 17 countries combined in defense because we just pay way, way, way Too much for those guys.

00:39:01.000 They employ a brigade's worth of lobbyists all over Washington, which pay Congress to keep appropriating way too much money for the same kind of programs, and it's a very unhealthy, vicious cycle.

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00:41:20.000 How likely do you think it is that that vicious cycle that's domestically observable when it comes to Pentagon budgets, Pentagon failures to pass audits and the incredible leverage of Norfolk Grumman, Lokida et al., how significant do you think that accumulative power is when it comes to actual foreign policy, for example, the duration of the Afghanistan war?

00:41:43.000 And even when it comes to the way that this conflict is being organized and executed, do you imagine that part of this monopolization and consolidation impacts the decisions that are made to escalate hostility between the US and Iran, for example?

00:42:01.000 So when we delinked currency from gold and really allowed runaway deficits, liberty contracts at the expense of government.

00:42:14.000 As government grows, liberty contracts.

00:42:16.000 And so as government never had to make a guns or butter choice anymore, it was, hey, more of the same, more guns, more butter.

00:42:24.000 Keep going, keep going.

00:42:26.000 It really, so you see that in the early 70s as the deficit spending really accelerated with all that government expansion in social programs and in defense.

00:42:36.000 And we just spend massively too much in both areas.

00:42:41.000 And it's allowed almost state capture by the beneficiaries of those big programs.

00:42:47.000 FAMA, right?

00:42:49.000 So we have a trillion dollar defense budget, but you know how much of a budget RFK oversees?

00:42:54.000 It's like $1.9 trillion.

00:42:58.000 So think of the amount of FAMA dollars that goes to pay advertising on Fox News or all the other big media companies.

00:43:08.000 That's the kind of problems that we have.

00:43:10.000 We have that state capture.

00:43:11.000 So we need from a populist demand.

00:43:15.000 And we have had those kind of experiences before, that kind of success.

00:43:20.000 Teddy Roosevelt was a trustbuster.

00:43:22.000 He broke up some of those companies that were too big off of sheer force of political will, communicating to the people and pushing that legislation through.

00:43:31.000 It is possible.

00:43:32.000 It's been done before, and we need to do so again, badly.

00:43:35.000 Can this current system produce those kind of results?

00:43:38.000 Or do you think between Roosevelt and Trump, the system has refined to the point where it has eliminated the possibility of its own destruction through legislative change?

00:43:47.000 And if Trump can't deliver on the populist mandate that seemed to bring him to power, is that an indication, Eric, that there needs to be, in the way that you could argue, that unplugged is an innovation deliberately set against big tech and its imperatives,

00:44:04.000 that there's a requirement for an almost an independent media and political alliance that focuses on deliberately and specifically decentralization, antitrust legislation, maximal authority within communities, maximum referenda as opposed to the dislocation of power to centralized political entities and DC, et cetera.

00:44:28.000 Can this system at this point deliver its own destruction, particularly if Trump in office part two has a significant crossover with what we might have gotten under Kamala Harris with regard to, you know, I know there are distinctions and differences, but is it different enough?

00:44:49.000 Look, we have, what, $35 or $37 trillion in debt.

00:44:55.000 Our debt service now exceeds the cost of our defense budget.

00:44:59.000 Our defense budget is already too high, but now just the interest on the debt is higher.

00:45:04.000 So there's some very unpleasant realities coming that we're going to have to cut because we literally can't afford these things anymore.

00:45:14.000 But the beauty of our system is we have three layers of government.

00:45:17.000 We have a lot of very well-run communities, okay?

00:45:21.000 Villages, counties, towns where people vote, feel empowered, not a huge amount of corporate Interest, et cetera, and they run a balanced budget.

00:45:33.000 The same for state budgets.

00:45:35.000 Most states are very, very well run.

00:45:39.000 Think about how large and powerful some of our states are: Texas, Florida, I mean, even the state of Virginia, Virginia's economy is larger than all of Austria.

00:45:48.000 So even if the federal government completely blows itself up and melts itself down in a complete fiscal calamity, you still have 50 states that are pretty well run that can survive.

00:46:03.000 And yes, some painful transitions, but all is not lost.

00:46:11.000 I still think that good governance models apply.

00:46:14.000 And there's lots of ways to keep this, not the genie back in the bottle, but to for a United States of America.

00:46:24.000 But look, here's the thing.

00:46:26.000 A nation is a nation based on some commonly held beliefs of its people, of its citizens.

00:46:32.000 And when you have one side that can't even agree on what is male and female anymore, the basics of gender, or even what is citizenship anymore, that's a fundamental problem.

00:46:44.000 And it might take some very fundamental disagreements and some harsh conversation to come to some common understanding.

00:46:55.000 And nothing like some true fiscal crisis to make people think a little more really.

00:47:01.000 It sounds like you think that fiscal crisis is upon us.

00:47:07.000 I think it's coming soon when you look at the amount of true fraud and waste that was uncovered and even the amount of malign effects a lot of that money was having in other countries.

00:47:20.000 I was just with the guy from Germany today who talked about all the USAID-funded programs buying media access, promoting leftism, socialism in Germany and all across Europe.

00:47:32.000 But we, the taxpayers, were funding.

00:47:33.000 And I said, what the hell are we doing?

00:47:35.000 So putting the federal government on a severe diet is definitely in the interest of all citizens that love freedom globally because our federal government has become a purveyor of nonsense in many ways across the board.

00:47:51.000 In a way, your country's been having this conversation with itself from the moment of inception, how much union, how much centralized control versus state freedom.

00:48:02.000 And with regard to the conversation you just mentioned, I can't imagine it becoming any more vituperative because it's such an ugly cultural conversation that's happening.

00:48:12.000 And even as the topic migrates from the taxonomies around gender, which one might contest are measurably absolute at the molecular level, to the arguments and conversations around citizenry, the vitriol, it appears to me, Eric, isn't dampened.

00:48:31.000 And I wonder, given the particular nature of your expertise, if the dominant leverage of fear, to be more specific, the reason that you require a government and a strong military is to protect you from external invasion.

00:48:51.000 I wonder if there's a requirement for maximal freedom at the level of the state, the village, the town, the community, that we are somewhat decoupled from this idea that you require government at the size and scale that it currently is to protect from forms of foreign invasion.

00:49:11.000 But nevertheless, it's sort of, you know, this is not an entirely benign world, I accept.

00:49:16.000 So I wonder where that balance is when it comes to national defense and protection, a sensible level of national defense and protection, and how that relates to state freedom.

00:49:28.000 Just in the simplest terms, it seems like most of us are terrified into compliance because of the constant talk of whether it's a virus that's going to kill us or a terrorist that's going to kill us or the commies that are going to kill us or the Chinese that are going to kill us.

00:49:41.000 There is a sort of a state of fear that's engendered and stimulated.

00:49:48.000 There's no question our government is too big.

00:49:51.000 We spend way too much on defense.

00:49:54.000 We spend way too much in social programs.

00:49:56.000 We just spend way too much at the federal level.

00:50:00.000 The United States is extremely blessed by having the best geography in the world.

00:50:06.000 Not an island, but we have massive internal navigable rivers, natural highways.

00:50:13.000 We have only two neighbors, which really don't want to invade us other than the migration issue, which is fixable.

00:50:23.000 So the idea that our federal government, that our military is so large and we need such a huge military to prevent from foreign invasion, no.

00:50:32.000 We've effectively set up a global empire with more than 400 bases.

00:50:37.000 And the spending and the efforts and the noise without the delivery of results, whether it's in Iraq or Afghanistan, we spent $12 trillion combined in those theaters over those years.

00:50:55.000 We're on the hook for another trillion dollars in healthcare spending just for wounded veterans from those theaters.

00:51:04.000 And yet, you know, even earlier this year, when the U.S. military bombed the hell out of Yemen for a month period, trying to get the Houthis to play ball, and then we stopped because it didn't work.

00:51:17.000 That's the kind of unraveling of global empire, the loss of deterrence, right?

00:51:23.000 This being able to fly B-2 bombers from the middle of America all the way to strike targets in the middle of Iran, blow up some deep underground bunkers and fly all the way home.

00:51:35.000 Yes, it's very impressive.

00:51:36.000 The U.S. military can do some very conventional things extremely well at obviously a very high price point.

00:51:44.000 The problem is opponents can do that on the cheap.

00:51:49.000 What the Ukrainians did inside of Russia to take out dozens of strategic bombers and even attack their nuclear base up at Murmansk, where their northern fleet is, that probably cost $2 or $3 million.

00:52:03.000 So, the asymmetry that high technology gives you gives way more advantage.

00:52:09.000 It accrues more to the small units that want to rise up and show you the middle finger to big government anywhere.

00:52:17.000 And so, I think the other place you'll start to see that start to exert itself is in China because they have the Chinese Communist Party, kind of the rule is the people subjugate themselves to the party.

00:52:34.000 The party delivers economic development and economic growth.

00:52:38.000 They have had a real problem on the economic growth side of late.

00:52:42.000 And so they're going to have a more and more ordery populace.

00:52:45.000 And they actually have a declining populace.

00:52:47.000 They're going to have an inverted population pyramid now, which is going to be an even bigger problem for them. 0.80

00:52:55.000 And the fact is, all of China is not Han Chinese.

00:52:59.000 They have, I think, 50-some different ethnic minorities that have been crushed, suppressed, forced into what is now China. 0.97

00:53:11.000 But as the forces of freedom and independence and secure communications, all those things start to make that spin out of control.

00:53:23.000 And it's harder and harder for the CCP to control that, especially when they send tens of millions of people out to other parts of the world to work or to study.

00:53:33.000 And they learn more of those habits of freedom.

00:53:37.000 That's a harder thing for them to control.

00:53:40.000 You've got such a broad understanding of politics right down to the demographics of these opponent nations of the United States.

00:53:49.000 What are you doing right now?

00:53:50.000 Are you like traveling around in order to build out your unplugged business?

00:53:56.000 What is your purpose and where do you see your personal role in what sounds like a sort of a near-apocalyptic approach in crisis, whether it's financial or military in nature?

00:54:09.000 And do you believe in the possibility of altering it through personal endeavor?

00:54:13.000 I suppose you must because you're embarking on that.

00:54:18.000 Look, my dad was a very successful entrepreneur.

00:54:25.000 I was able to start Blackwater because of his success, and that was smashed by politics.

00:54:33.000 And so I'm looking to build, I would say, not another defense contractor this time, but an organization, a consulting entity that can really help countries more fulfill their mandate for their people, right?

00:54:47.000 So an ability to help, let's say, facilitate trade in difficult places, sometimes perform a function of government, whether that's helping to collect taxes, helping to on imports, on exports, on something like that.

00:55:03.000 And then when necessary...

00:55:07.000 Wow.

00:55:12.000 You must have done a glass of beer.

00:55:14.000 Eric Prince, we're going to have to detain you now.

00:55:19.000 Because it seems like ultimately your business interests are going to be at odds with global imperialism.

00:55:26.000 So would you remain in your chair?

00:55:29.000 It was a kind of robot AI canine creature.

00:55:32.000 Elmo.

00:55:33.000 Yeah.

00:55:36.000 Thank you.

00:55:38.000 No, listen.

00:55:39.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:41.000 You want me to just wait till she's done? 0.74

00:55:43.000 No, man.

00:55:43.000 Your audio is much louder in our mix.

00:55:47.000 Okay.

00:55:47.000 Or sorry.

00:55:48.000 Well, just edit out the FU arm.

00:55:52.000 I guarantee you that's getting caught as a clip.

00:55:59.000 Don't get me in trouble.

00:56:00.000 I get myself in trouble enough.

00:56:02.000 No, look, helping countries fulfill their opportunity that their citizens would expect. 0.99

00:56:10.000 But again, facilitate trade in difficult places, perform a function of government, kick ass when necessary. 0.60

00:56:16.000 In all cases, a lot of countries have huge resources. 0.95

00:56:19.000 They can't make the most of those resources.

00:56:22.000 I'm a big fan of Hernando DeSoto.

00:56:24.000 What he's written about called The Mystery of Capital.

00:56:28.000 You know, he was a Peruvian economist.

00:56:32.000 No, sorry, he was running one of the biggest engineering firms in Switzerland in the 80s.

00:56:37.000 He's Peruvian.

00:56:38.000 He goes back and he says, why is Peru so rough?

00:56:42.000 Why is Switzerland so nice?

00:56:44.000 And he really did a study of the basics elements of capitalism that we take for granted in Switzerland or in Delaware in the United States, where you can call, form a company, get a business license, get a bank account.

00:56:57.000 There's a commercial court system for adjudicating a dispute, an address, all those things.

00:57:03.000 You can hire and fire somebody.

00:57:04.000 There's a clear process for that.

00:57:06.000 In Peru, in lots of dozens, hundreds of developing countries, that kind of stuff doesn't exist, which goes to the elites sit on top and they rake money in off of a very uncompetitive market.

00:57:21.000 And all the poor people at the bottom just suffer.

00:57:24.000 I mean, they actually did a study.

00:57:26.000 If you're trying to be a bread baker in Egypt, it takes you more than a year just to get a license to bake bread, to do it legally.

00:57:34.000 And what they find is 40, 50, 60% of a lot of these economies are considered gray market, meaning it's not illegal, but it's not part of the legal part of the economy because it's not licensed.

00:57:47.000 It's informal.

00:57:48.000 It's cash-based.

00:57:49.000 And so the more access to capitalism that people have at the very, very bottom, they can start to climb if you're willing to work hard, put in the time.

00:58:00.000 And there's a set of anything remotely like a set of rules that you can live by for capitalism.

00:58:06.000 It lets poor people get educated and create wealth.

00:58:11.000 And at the top, right, that antitrust system, which keeps the big businesses from being predatory and from controlling prices and being monopolistic, that is the job of government.

00:58:23.000 And so helping countries at the bottom level create the rule of law, create enough security to do better their populations.

00:58:31.000 That's what I'm spending my time on now.

00:58:33.000 And obviously, starting a company which takes on not one, but two multi-trillion dollar companies because somebody has to.

00:58:41.000 It's pretty exciting.

00:58:43.000 I'm an insurgent at heart.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, I see that about you.

00:58:48.000 And what I'm wondering is if, firstly, capitalism isn't where is it idealistic and where is it materialistic?

00:58:56.000 I suppose it's idealistic and it rewards individual freedom, entrepreneurialism, excellence, brilliance, endeavor, and hard work.

00:59:02.000 Those are all definitely worthy attributes of a system of economics.

00:59:06.000 And if you're going to have trade and you're going to have material, you're going to have materialism.

00:59:11.000 But I wonder what ideology undergirds it to ensure that it doesn't tend towards either nihilism or individualism.

00:59:19.000 Since our cultures, you know, Anglophonic or Western democracies, it seems, have become less focused on God, this tendency towards what was regarded as capitalism has kind of metastasized into something darker.

00:59:32.000 You and I apparently seem to at least agree on that.

00:59:35.000 And I wonder what is, if you can't any longer trust a state to remain true, to use your phrase, the mandate of its people, however that mandate is derived, and whether or not majority rule is even a reliable marker of veracity, truth, decency, and honesty.

00:59:54.000 It seems to me that in addition to commercial and capital enterprise, there's a requirement for some ideals derived from elsewhere.

01:00:03.000 Are you a man of faith?

01:00:05.000 Do you believe in our Lord?

01:00:06.000 And if you do, how do we ensure that our ultimate goals and aims are derived from eternal principles rather than some mercurial aims that can emerge out of selfishness and individualism that can easily get bolted onto something like commerce and capitalism?

01:00:30.000 Excellent question.

01:00:31.000 I think everybody has a hole.

01:00:32.000 Everybody's kind of born with a hole in their soul, and you can fill it with faith, you can fill it with greed, or you can fill it with anger, right?

01:00:42.000 And the power, just the will to power.

01:00:44.000 Do you want to dominate somebody else?

01:00:46.000 I love an old quote from Margaret Thatcher that she said, Christianity gives people the means to restrain themselves where the state doesn't have to.

01:00:58.000 And, you know, I grew up, my dad, my parents were Christians and grew up in a Christian home.

01:01:04.000 And the parable of the talents, right, was one that talked about, right?

01:01:08.000 To whom much is given, much is expected.

01:01:11.000 And so, yeah, I was definitely born on the right side of the tracks.

01:01:14.000 My dad was the biggest employer in town.

01:01:18.000 And I guess from an early age, I didn't want to let him down.

01:01:22.000 And so try to work hard to make the most of what the education he provided, the experiences they provided, and the resources they provided.

01:01:32.000 And what was like, I don't know, I've heard lots of people have gone on to do much bigger things than what their folks left them with.

01:01:41.000 I mean, look, I just read Fred Smith's obituary.

01:01:48.000 And his father built a business and he died and he had 200 trucks.

01:01:55.000 And Fred Smith, after Marine Corps, starts a business, had a good education.

01:02:00.000 He built a business that had 200,000 trucks.

01:02:03.000 Good on him.

01:02:04.000 Fred Smith, the embodiment of how it's supposed to be.

01:02:09.000 But yeah, it's easy to get caught up into always needing more, more money, another house, another car.

01:02:16.000 I think that's, it's, it's, I think people eventually find that that's a very empty path to go down.

01:02:23.000 And I remember my dad talking about one of the most satisfying things is giving people a great job and being able to provide them a means where they can go to work that is clean and respectful and they can make the most of their talents every day and they're paid a fair wage for it and they can do better, right?

01:02:43.000 They put a roof over their head and send their kids to school.

01:02:47.000 And I'll never forget the first time I went to Baghdad, we flew three of our helicopters on a U.S. transport, a big C-5 aircraft.

01:02:58.000 And it's two o'clock in the morning.

01:03:00.000 We're offloading Little Birds.

01:03:02.000 And these really the finest mechanics in the world for helicopters came out of TF-160, the most elite U.S. unit.

01:03:09.000 And these guys were all veterans and they said, hey, Mr. P, thanks for giving us a chance to do this.

01:03:14.000 This is what we're made for.

01:03:16.000 And they had all been veterans of Black Lock Down, the big shootout that happened in Somalia just 10 years previous.

01:03:23.000 And that was, you know, I found that very satisfying with the whole Blackwater crew because it was a lot of really, really type A, high drive motor people.

01:03:32.000 And they love to work hard, do a good job and, you know, complete the mission.

01:03:40.000 You're cool.

01:03:42.000 Even anyway, even with the baggage I bear from the British class system and the chips on my shoulder that it leaves me with, you can't use nepotism to get into the Navy SEALs.

01:03:54.000 So that's a good way of neutralizing that pathway.

01:03:59.000 What was he saying, Eric?

01:04:03.000 Look, there's a lot of benefits in the British system as well.

01:04:06.000 When you look at the amount of the elites that still join the military, that serve, that's great.

01:04:14.000 I wish more people, look, doing temporary military service is a great way to get responsibility, to learn the values of dealing with a whole spectrum of people and to embrace the suck and to enjoy good times and bad times.

01:04:35.000 And at least it taught me to always find a lower speed, a lower gear so that when things are hard, you can find a way to keep going.

01:04:44.000 And, you know, tough times don't last, tough people do.

01:04:48.000 Just got to find a way to keep going and move through it.

01:04:52.000 Thank you, Eric.

01:04:53.000 Thanks, man.

01:04:55.000 We've chatted for an hour now, and it's been a really brilliant conversation.

01:04:59.000 I enjoyed very much The way we started off with the sort of diffuse and unknowable, mad, constant desert sand conflicts of the Middle East. 0.99

01:05:08.000 I like the way that we discussed commerce and duty and family, and I'm very interested to see how your enterprise unplugged us and whether that aligns with something I can't let go of at the moment,

01:05:23.000 the idea of community autonomy, communities that are able to support and sustain themselves through their own localized agriculture, that trade really only when necessary, when we recognize that sort of regional and local power, first at the unit of the individual,

01:05:40.000 but then of course at the level of the community, if that power is derived from God and surrender to God, rather than, as you said, in China, surrender to the party, surrender to the state, fealty and loyalty to a culture that doesn't love you, that sees you only as a kind of a sort of either as a parasite on its back or a larvae in its belly.

01:05:59.000 You know, man, I feel like we need a real sort of spiritual change.

01:06:02.000 And I recognize that the engine of that change is likely to be men like you, entrepreneurial, that are willing to fight and put yourself through uncomfortable times.

01:06:11.000 And grateful certainly to the time you've given to me today.

01:06:15.000 Thank you, Eric.

01:06:17.000 Russell, pleasure to meet you.

01:06:18.000 I look forward to meeting you in person sometime.

01:06:20.000 Yeah, we'll meet in person, I can tell.

01:06:22.000 As long as you don't get, I don't know where you are in the world now, but on the basis of that announcement, I would say that you're likely to be impounded in the next five to ten minutes.

01:06:32.000 Negative.

01:06:33.000 Good to go.

01:06:35.000 Nice one, man.

01:06:36.000 It's great chatting.

01:06:36.000 Thanks.

01:06:37.000 Thank you.

01:06:37.000 Cheers.

01:06:38.000 I've heard aboard.

01:06:39.000 Peace.

01:06:42.000 Thanks for joining us today.

01:06:44.000 We'll be back tomorrow, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - June 25, 2025

The Truth About Iran, Israel & U.S. War – Erik Prince Breaks It Down - SF603

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