Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Turning Points of a Turbulent Year - SF667

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 It's a Christmas special and we're doing things a little differently.

00:00:22.000 I'm joined by Shoot Me Straight, Eddie Gallagher and Dave Fields.

00:00:26.000 Eddie, thanks for coming, man.

00:00:27.000 Thanks for having us on.

00:00:28.000 Thank you.

00:00:28.000 Thank you, Taylor.

00:00:30.000 Yeah, this is it.

00:00:30.000 It's a special Christmas time.

00:00:32.000 In England, we would say mistletoe and wine.

00:00:34.000 We would rejoice.

00:00:35.000 We would celebrate a Victorian-style Christmas.

00:00:38.000 I don't know what you do out here in the Redneck Riviera. 0.85

00:00:41.000 And to look at you, I mean, you're all pretty red.

00:00:43.000 No, you've got that nerd techno thing, somewhat redneck in. 0.63

00:00:46.000 Somewhat, I try to be.

00:00:48.000 Altman redneck.

00:00:49.000 You're very redneck today. 0.98

00:00:50.000 Dave's is a new nerd look.

00:00:51.000 Sometimes he switches between multiple looks.

00:00:54.000 Depending on what day it is.

00:00:55.000 This is true.

00:00:56.000 This is true.

00:00:57.000 Is it that we're going to just review the year today and look at, like you guys, with your podcast, Shoot Me Straight, which I actually, by the way, Dave, hear you use in normal conversation?

00:01:06.000 I heard you like just now.

00:01:08.000 Me and Dave are both recovering drug addicts.

00:01:10.000 And I heard Dave just say, I was chatting to a drug addict friend on the phone.

00:01:14.000 And you said to him, like, I'm just going to shoot straight.

00:01:17.000 Honestly, it's going to be like, you know, you're talking about, oh, he actually uses his podcast name in conversation.

00:01:24.000 And I suppose for you, shoot me straight means ask direct questions.

00:01:27.000 For you, it potentially means fire a missile of some description.

00:01:32.000 Not at me, though.

00:01:35.000 Preferably not. 0.96

00:01:36.000 Shoot that straight.

00:01:36.000 So like, I thought we were going to talk about like, I think what we're going to talk about is the year.

00:01:42.000 We were picking up, I suppose, Eddie, when we were chatting a minute ago, we're just following up from like when you have something like a trial, a literal trial in both of our cases at points hanging over you.

00:01:51.000 You have to learn to live kind of differently.

00:01:54.000 And even when I think about 2026, I think, oh, that's the year I'm having the trial, Juda 2026, London, trial, Crown Court, numerous charges.

00:02:05.000 It's like, so for me, 2026, I'm looking forward to having that trial and by God's grace, getting it out of the way for, you know, whatever happens.

00:02:12.000 But 2025 has been a bit defined by radical changes in my life.

00:02:17.000 I didn't think that the way things were going, I was not going to be a person that drove a Ford 150 truck, carried a cult firearm, wore most of the time baseball caps.

00:02:32.000 I mean, I've become sort of a redneck by default.

00:02:36.000 Well, you are because you're living in the redneck Riviera. 0.93

00:02:38.000 So eventually you can try to combat it as much as you can, but it'll sink in.

00:02:43.000 I was trying to think maybe I could just wear bowler hats and pinstripes and really sort of lean into my Englishness.

00:02:48.000 But actually, like, you know, I've changed.

00:02:50.000 Carnivore, Christian, gun owner.

00:02:53.000 I mean, the whole thing's radically altered.

00:02:56.000 So this year, I think like that, what I'd love to do, let me know in the comments and chat what you consider to be the high points and highlights of 2025.

00:03:05.000 Remember, we'll only be accessible on YouTube for a little while.

00:03:07.000 Remember, we'll only be accessible next for a little while.

00:03:10.000 Right.

00:03:11.000 Okay.

00:03:11.000 These are some things.

00:03:12.000 And I want you to pay attention, Eddie and Dave and Jake.

00:03:15.000 And I'll just lead through these and tell me which ones of these stories feel like you want to settle naturally upon them.

00:03:21.000 Trump becomes president.

00:03:23.000 I mean, it seems like that's been going on for a long while.

00:03:25.000 Pope Leo becomes Pope.

00:03:27.000 California fires.

00:03:28.000 Floods in Texas.

00:03:29.000 Terribly sad.

00:03:30.000 Doge is formed.

00:03:31.000 RFK Jr. becomes Secretary of Health.

00:03:34.000 Justin Trudeau resigns.

00:03:35.000 Then Jake, who's compiled this list, has, I think, put too many Katy Perry stories.

00:03:40.000 Justin Trudeau resigns.

00:03:41.000 Katy Perry goes into space.

00:03:43.000 Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau are dating.

00:03:46.000 I just want to know, is it a result of her going to space that sort of triggered all this?

00:03:53.000 She went to space. 0.64

00:03:55.000 Trudeau resigns.

00:03:56.000 She comes back from space.

00:03:58.000 Her and Trudeau get together.

00:04:01.000 Interesting.

00:04:03.000 We put our reporter on that.

00:04:06.000 We would send Joe to space to Katy Perry's house.

00:04:10.000 Don't send Joe within 200 feet of any Katy Perry-related stuff or anywhere.

00:04:18.000 Joe, we've got to keep Joe very, very safe.

00:04:19.000 He's not a person you want to put into conflict zones.

00:04:22.000 We've got to look after that guy.

00:04:23.000 And Dave, the other topic on here, other than these numerous Katy Perry and related stories, are Ice Raids, Candace Owens, UK marches on immigration, Charlie Kirk, God rest his cell, assassination, Erica Kirk, Candice, and then a terrible list of celebrity deaths.

00:04:43.000 A surprising and terrible list of deaths.

00:04:48.000 Merry Christmas.

00:04:51.000 Mistletoe and wine.

00:04:53.000 Ah, season's green.

00:04:54.000 Deck the halls.

00:04:55.000 Everyone's dead now.

00:04:56.000 I am, you know, I suppose, like in real time right now, I'm warming up to go to turning point.

00:05:02.000 And I'm wondering if Candace Owens and Erica Kirk will have had their powwow prior to that.

00:05:09.000 And isn't it interesting that in this sort of ultra right-wing space, as it's regarded at least, it's two females that have become the preeminent figures in this defining moment.

00:05:23.000 What I mean to say is like a lot of the cultural ephemera of the woke era feels like it's falling apart and falling away.

00:05:30.000 I think we're entering into a really unusual new time.

00:05:35.000 And I think that 2026 is going to be significant because I think people will be looking naturally forward to the post-Trump era, looking naturally forward to what politics outside of nationalism look like.

00:05:46.000 Where's the culture going to go?

00:05:48.000 I mean, it feels like we're in a really unusual space where, unless there's like radical change, the tension between decentralization and centralization could spill into mayhem, mayhem, at any moment.

00:06:01.000 That's why I keep myself super clear at the near end of it.

00:06:05.000 I mean, I've done so much of this, but I'm feeling pretty sharp, guys.

00:06:08.000 I do that every morning.

00:06:09.000 You're on it?

00:06:10.000 Yeah.

00:06:10.000 Do you want to try this particular brand straight down the gullet?

00:06:12.000 I'll try.

00:06:14.000 Is it uh, I felt comfortable frying that?

00:06:16.000 Oh, it's the real deal.

00:06:17.000 Yes, good straight from the smurf.

00:06:23.000 Look at Eddie with well-practiced ease, straight down the gullet.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, if you had some of this one, Dave, get in on it, Dave.

00:06:29.000 Come on, Dave.

00:06:31.000 I'm also going to pay attention to how you receive the drops to see if it seems see if you take it very familiar.

00:06:39.000 This person's taking a lot of shots in the face or not.

00:06:43.000 That's why he's got the glasses on.

00:06:44.000 Don't get any teeth, Dave.

00:06:46.000 They're Bakaki shields. 0.98

00:06:48.000 That's a Bukaki. 1.00

00:06:50.000 It's disgusting, isn't it, Dave? 0.97

00:06:52.000 It's disgusting, but you watch the mental clarity over the course of the day. 0.76

00:06:55.000 Somebody said it was delicious the other day.

00:06:57.000 It's not bad.

00:06:59.000 You've tried a couple of different versions.

00:07:03.000 I'm one.

00:07:05.000 I feel like too much.

00:07:07.000 Oh, right.

00:07:07.000 Because you're too busy down to Carlson's product.

00:07:11.000 You've tried a bunch of mouth pouch versions of these.

00:07:14.000 Yeah.

00:07:15.000 That's the best one.

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00:07:27.000 So they taste bad, like the other ones taste.

00:07:29.000 Oh, sometimes they're so bad.

00:07:31.000 I mean, that one doesn't taste bad.

00:07:33.000 It's all right.

00:07:34.000 It's just got some sort of flavor.

00:07:35.000 Yeah, I usually put it in the water and put like 20 drops in water and then swig it.

00:07:40.000 Yeah, just straight up neat like that.

00:07:41.000 I don't know when that started or why.

00:07:43.000 I think I did it because if you don't do it without water, then my teeth, everything turn blue.

00:07:49.000 But what if you go bypass the Nash's?

00:07:51.000 Yeah, well, that's you do it right.

00:07:52.000 You've got to do it right.

00:07:53.000 You've got to hit the gullet hard.

00:07:55.000 Have you tried to dry shoot colostrum?

00:07:58.000 That's that's a new trend.

00:07:59.000 We just started.

00:08:00.000 We've been dry shooting colostrum straight off the blade.

00:08:03.000 Mouthful to colostrum. 0.93

00:08:06.000 Chopping up colostrum lines and taking them down.

00:08:08.000 It doesn't taste very nice.

00:08:10.000 Like it's like licking.

00:08:11.000 It doesn't taste good if you put it in liquid either.

00:08:13.000 There's no way around it.

00:08:14.000 Yeah.

00:08:15.000 Just got to go for it.

00:08:16.000 Just go for it.

00:08:16.000 But it's good for you.

00:08:17.000 We're looking after the vehicle.

00:08:18.000 We're looking after the vehicle.

00:08:19.000 Which of these stories meant.

00:08:21.000 I think.

00:08:22.000 Well, I was with you with Charlie Kirk's assassination when we found out.

00:08:26.000 I mean, if you started there, we were here.

00:08:29.000 We were here at the studio.

00:08:32.000 What?

00:08:32.000 Yeah.

00:08:33.000 That day was just, it was a little strange.

00:08:35.000 You were, it's just sinking in.

00:08:37.000 Well, yeah, it was so crazy because I was doing a podcast with Dave Rubin.

00:08:42.000 And when they showed the, when I first saw the footage of it, when I like, because with the era we live in, you immediately have to ask, is that legit?

00:08:53.000 So when I saw that, now there's so many areas to unpack with that assassination.

00:08:58.000 Of course, it could take the whole show.

00:08:59.000 Because firstly, I didn't, this is what I've learned.

00:09:02.000 I think the dead Charlie Kirk or posthumous Charlie Kirk to honor him is like a different object to living Charlie Kirk.

00:09:10.000 I never, like when people said like someone will have assassinated him beyond the person it was claimed, I, in all honesty, thought, well, why?

00:09:20.000 What's the influence and power that Charlie Kirk has that would warrant someone wanting his life to end?

00:09:25.000 In the subsequent period, I've become more open to it.

00:09:28.000 And certainly, even without engaging police, without conspiracy theories, just the thing that sort of made me most question, well, firstly, anytime that anyone gets shot, it's never a lone gunman.

00:09:40.000 It's never a lone gunman.

00:09:41.000 It can't, it's never a lone gunman.

00:09:43.000 And then it would be obviously beneficial to get your insights on this.

00:09:47.000 Like, it just seems to me implausible that anyone that's not extremely competent and experienced would be able to take and get a shot like that, dismantle a rifle and disappear into a crowd unless they had.

00:10:02.000 I mean, if I was to do that, if I was going to go and kill someone, find a site where I've got a good eye line, get a shot off, get rid of it, unpack it, I think I would need a little bit of training.

00:10:16.000 I think he put it back together too.

00:10:17.000 Like the gun, took it apart, put it back together, allegedly.

00:10:23.000 Yeah, was it with a screwdriver or something?

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:28.000 I don't mean, how far was that shot again?

00:10:30.000 I think 150?

00:10:31.000 Yeah.

00:10:32.000 So I think for people 150 is not far.

00:10:36.000 And you don't have to be so highly trained to hit.

00:10:39.000 It's not far.

00:10:40.000 No, not with a rifle.

00:10:41.000 I mean, I get from my perspective, no.

00:10:45.000 As a sniper, that is not even, that's not even like a sniper shot.

00:10:48.000 That's just a basic marksman shot that you should be able to hit.

00:10:51.000 So to give you, in terms like in the Marine Corps, everybody's a rifleman.

00:10:56.000 So everybody has to call on the range.

00:10:57.000 But you have Marines that don't, their specific job is not to carry a gun.

00:11:02.000 It's not to go into war.

00:11:03.000 They do sort of the background stuff, but they are still required to go to the range once or twice a year to qualify.

00:11:09.000 And they make shots up to 500 yards.

00:11:11.000 These are people that don't use rifles, barely any, but they are still qualifying with that rifle and able to hit their target.

00:11:17.000 So when you come down to 150 yards, no, it does not take a qualified marksman to hit that shot.

00:11:23.000 But I will say with the planning and the disassembly, reassembly of the rifle, even picking a spot ahead of time to go shoot from, that definitely takes some training.

00:11:39.000 I mean, even to disassemble a gun takes some training.

00:11:42.000 If you were given those data points, like someone is going to kill a high-profile public figure in a public space from a rooftop with this type of rifle, at this type of distance, what profile emerges in your mind of the person?

00:12:03.000 And is it like a 22 year old guy who lives with a furry and he's queer and stuff and is into trans issues? 0.72

00:12:11.000 That's the problem i'm having.

00:12:12.000 Yeah, I mean that doesn't that? 0.93

00:12:14.000 Uh, whatever that that doesn't fit the profile of what you are thinking of right uh, some transgender furry is going to go out there and, you know, disassemble or reassemble a rifle, pick a spot to shoot a guy from. 1.00

00:12:28.000 But I would also say that's not out of the realm of a possibility because you could just go right, he's going to be doing a turn.

00:12:33.000 Yeah, event in the Utah.

00:12:35.000 Yeah, maybe he took that rifle.

00:12:37.000 He's like hey, i'm going to go practice real quick.

00:12:39.000 Um, 150 yards boom, got it.

00:12:43.000 I'm good to go, the gun sighted in, and i'm going to go take my chances.

00:12:48.000 I will say, you know just the, the act of doing that um, of getting up there lining up those sights on Charlie and taking that shot um, I mean, if it's his first time, which it sounds like it was his first time shooting somebody.

00:13:05.000 That's a huge, that's a huge moment right, because i'm sure he was nervous.

00:13:10.000 Um, you know the whole crowd's there he's getting ready to do this thing, which he might have had that thing dialed in.

00:13:16.000 He was aiming for the chest and maybe broke a little high or aiming for the face, but i'll tell you, as a sniper, I don't yeah, I never aim for the head or face.

00:13:25.000 It's, that's you're gonna.

00:13:27.000 That's too much of a margin of error for you to miss.

00:13:30.000 I mean, I would just center, mass it uh, in the chest.

00:13:34.000 So I mean he could have easily broke that shot, you know, because he was nervous and it hit up there in the neck.

00:13:41.000 So there's the technical attempts to understand it, and then there's the cultural impact of it yeah, and there's the tendency now to question everything.

00:13:54.000 And what's interesting for me, I suppose, oh man see, if you can get on this, it's pretty crazy.

00:14:01.000 The internet is like a massive consciousness, like or at least it's a matter like it's got the qualities of intelligence you know, like there's lots of, and it's got content.

00:14:11.000 It's sort of like an externalized brain and externalized consciousness.

00:14:15.000 You can go on there for pornography. 0.94

00:14:16.000 I'm talking about online visual content mostly.

00:14:20.000 Just if you confine it to that, because I know you have, dave of sort of a more vast and deep understanding of what i'm talking about.

00:14:26.000 But say, if you were to say you know, on your phone you can click and watch or engage with a variety of content.

00:14:33.000 I'm saying that's like having a shared brain that everyone has access to.

00:14:38.000 I'm wondering if what we might find in the work of mythologists like Joseph Campbell, the American academic who, through his brilliant work, notably Hero of a Thousand Faces, pointed out, building on the work of Carl Jung,

00:14:53.000 that myths from Africa, Iceland, UK, Celtic world, whatever, Native Americans had similar themes and ideas that were recurrent and indicate either some mass diaspora where there was like a centralised group and the...

00:15:08.000 the stories all must have spread out from, or there's something in the human mind that creates the same stories wherever you go in the world.

00:15:16.000 Wherever there's like characters like the trickster or the king or the miser or whatever, the princess, all these characters crop up wherever you go in the world.

00:15:24.000 It's a weird thing.

00:15:25.000 That's my first point.

00:15:26.000 That's the establishing principle.

00:15:27.000 The second principle is that now that the internet is like one vast brain, it's almost like archetypes are being formed in internet spaces.

00:15:36.000 And I think that Candace Owens is like almost a living archetype. 0.82

00:15:41.000 And it's interesting to me that she's a black woman. 0.94

00:15:45.000 That, like, that in Jungian terms, the idea of the feminine and blackness, and I know blackness is a sort of a cultural term as well as a sort of a racial one.

00:15:53.000 And I'm sort of calling on the idea of a kind of Jungian appraisal of that idea right now, i.e., this woman is bringing up a lot of unconscious material.

00:16:04.000 People don't want to talk about the things I felt most uneasy about when I went around the house was knowing that I had a turning point thing coming down the pipe.

00:16:12.000 Was, well, I'm not really comfortable.

00:16:14.000 You know, Erica Kirk is a grieving widow.

00:16:17.000 I'm not comfortable with the idea that Erica Kirk's involved.

00:16:20.000 Sort of find it difficult to accept that Turning Point might be involved.

00:16:24.000 And I think there's enough margin in something like ongoing investigation means people have to keep their mouth shut about certain stuff.

00:16:33.000 And that, you know, to provide, I don't want to say cover, but reasonable limitations around how Turning Point a members are turning point are behaving, right?

00:16:42.000 So I don't automatically think turning point we're involved in it.

00:16:45.000 However, though, it does seem like with any public event these days, that the first thing you're told might not be the truth.

00:16:53.000 And I think that's most of the time because I think when stuff like this happens, you know, Charlie Kirk's death or name any other traumatic event where someone was shot, you know, everybody, I think we're in a society now where everybody wants to be first, first with the breaking news, first with the breaking story.

00:17:08.000 And we used to blame mainstream media.

00:17:10.000 We used to be like, this is, you know, mainstream media is fake news.

00:17:15.000 They're trying to come out with headlines right off the bat without getting the whole truth.

00:17:19.000 That was, I think, one of the biggest complaints that the American public had after a while, after finding out that they weren't reporting the truth.

00:17:27.000 So then people broke off and they started their own independence, right?

00:17:31.000 But I think because some, and this is just from my perspective, seeing all these independents, you know, having their own channels, I feel like it's just back to the same.

00:17:40.000 It's like everybody is now trying to be the first to come out with whatever breaking news or what they think really happened.

00:17:49.000 And since people stop listening to mainstream media, they're listening to these independent channels trying to get their news from.

00:17:56.000 But I think the people with the independent channels have to be very careful not to fall in the same trap that mainstream media did, which is, oh, we have to be first so we get more clicks, more likes, more views, and everything like that, which is how we come to these, you know, where we're at now, where nobody can trust anybody.

00:18:13.000 Everyone's like, well, how do I know you're telling the truth when this person is saying this?

00:18:16.000 Like Candace Owens is saying Turning Point USA might be involved.

00:18:20.000 So I'm going to go listen to her.

00:18:21.000 And then you have Erica Kirk or whoever else combating that and being like, no, we're not involved.

00:18:26.000 So it just becomes this whole thing when in reality, nobody is giving it time to settle, to actually find out exactly what happened.

00:18:34.000 And I can tell you through going, you're going through it too, Russell, and from what I went through, it takes a long time for investigations to come out with like, hey, here is everything.

00:18:45.000 But we are so impatient as a country.

00:18:47.000 It's like, we want it now.

00:18:49.000 And if you don't give it to us now, then we're going to come up with our own conclusions.

00:18:53.000 Then we're going to start forming our own opinions, our own ideas of what actually happened.

00:18:57.000 And so what that causes is a huge distrust in everything because people you have followers that listen to you, but it's like at the end of the day, a couple months later, the truth can be laid out by the FBI or CIA and be like, hey, this is what we've concluded.

00:19:11.000 Here is everything.

00:19:12.000 But I think that people are just impatient with them coming out.

00:19:16.000 And there is also a distrust in them as well, which they've done to themselves.

00:19:20.000 You know, they're not, they've proven to not be a trustworthy source at times.

00:19:24.000 But at the same time, I would say we can't just blanket statement and be like, oh, everything the FBI and CIA does is corrupt.

00:19:31.000 There are good people that work there.

00:19:33.000 There are good people that try and do, trying to do the right thing.

00:19:36.000 But I think they've developed a reputation for themselves over the years where people are impatient with them.

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00:20:40.000 Yes, there is the reputational aspect.

00:20:42.000 I mean, like, do come in used to as well.

00:20:44.000 But what I've started to feel is what is the French expression is raised on d'être.

00:20:52.000 What is the purpose, the meaning, the reason for existence of the FBI and CIA?

00:20:58.000 And say this year, another big story is the, obviously, the Epstein files.

00:21:03.000 I mean, we'll get to Katie's Perry in space and get to that.

00:21:06.000 But like, like with the Epstein files, what I feel the function of that object, I'm trying to look at things these days as sort of like, as, you know, objectively, which means sort of, although that's impossible, of course, I try and look at things as an object, i.e., with no disrespect to Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul.

00:21:23.000 What is the object of Charlie Kirk's death doing in the culture?

00:21:28.000 What is it causing?

00:21:29.000 What is it creating?

00:21:31.000 You see political exploitation.

00:21:33.000 You see hysterical condemnation.

00:21:35.000 You see people sort of like being inappropriate and saying crazy stuff about it.

00:21:39.000 You see, you know, like you see, create the object when you drop it into the pool of public consciousness creates so much madness.

00:21:45.000 Well, I think the object of the Epstein files, like if you was, if it was just a rock that you could sort of understand, that rock has gone into the system.

00:21:53.000 And I think what it means is everyone now thinks that deep state agencies are fundamentally corrupt, fundamentally.

00:22:05.000 And if you think that's not that new, that probably begins with like mocking birding, MK Ultra, assassinations of the 60s.

00:22:11.000 But now has reached such a point of saturation because of immediate communication that people, most, I don't know most people, because I don't know most people, but just looking at the world, it seems to me that in general, people think, well, the Epstein file shows that loads and loads of high-profile people, whether that's celebrities or more significantly, political figures, have been sexually compromised so that they can be controlled.

00:22:36.000 And that's a standardized tactic of many people believe, like Mossad, CIA, and that someone like Epstein is an asset for that.

00:22:45.000 And because that story's been so back and forth and no one's been able to, you know, now we have videos of Kash Patel sort of going, yeah, it's all going to be released.

00:22:53.000 And Dan Bolgina, oh, it's all going to be released.

00:22:55.000 And Trump, yeah, it's all going to be released.

00:22:57.000 That pan Bond is on my desk right now and then it doesn't happen.

00:23:01.000 I think it compounds it indeed right, I think you're right to counsel for patience, that we should be patient, because you know, like saying, just the Charlie Kirk Incidence, there's children and a wife and anything, you know, there's all these things, but none of us are aware of our unconscious biases and I think that what the Charlie, the uh, the Epstein thing has done, as sort of It's the first time in the Post-Trump era that the deep state thing came to a pinnacle again.

00:23:30.000 Before Trump, everything could be in a basket.

00:23:32.000 Like, you know what the Democrats are. 1.00

00:23:33.000 They're all corrupt. 1.00

00:23:34.000 It's all bullshit. 1.00

00:23:35.000 They're pretending to be nice. 1.00

00:23:36.000 They're pretending to care about race.

00:23:37.000 They don't really.

00:23:38.000 They just want imperial global control and they're bringing it about in this variety of ways, pandemics, whatever. 0.99

00:23:43.000 And now it's like, oh, fuck, this is still happening with Trump. 0.98

00:23:48.000 So it's like, so I think like we're living in this, again, things are coming so fast. 0.99

00:23:53.000 And now we have to appraise it and understand it so quickly that it's for me, for me, actually, what it's done is it's made my Christianity.

00:24:02.000 Like if you, if the culture is moving so fast, if the culture is so unreliable, if the institutions that we used to look to, media, governmental, for something to rely on are all just collapsing and imploding, where do you go?

00:24:16.000 Who can take it?

00:24:17.000 Only the Lord.

00:24:18.000 That's where it's kind of thrown me.

00:24:20.000 Yeah, when you see all these stories lined up and reflected on 2025, I think for the right or the conservative, you go, we got our guy in power and look who he's brought in.

00:24:30.000 He's got Kash Patel.

00:24:31.000 He's got all these new.

00:24:32.000 Then you realize they can't do anything either.

00:24:35.000 So now it's on the other side going, is just the system in general, no matter who's leading it, so corrupt because it's operating on a non-biblical standard that no matter who's in charge, I feel like it just makes you completely lose hope in the system, which you should ultimately, and turn your eyes towards Jesus.

00:24:57.000 Well, yeah.

00:24:58.000 I think people, you know, when, like you said, when Trump got elected and got put back into office, there are these Trumponians, you know, the hardcore right that are like, everything's going to be good now.

00:25:10.000 And that's where I think people just set themselves up for disappointment because it's like, if you are depending on one man, a human being who's just like you and I, that you think that he is going to change dramatically the course of, you know, how this country's going and your life's going to somehow be a lot better because he's in office.

00:25:31.000 You are mistakenly wrong.

00:25:33.000 It's the only thing, person, not a person, the only entity that you can trust in is God himself.

00:25:38.000 That's why you go to him for the truth.

00:25:40.000 That's why you go to him every time you are confused, frustrated, or whatever is going on in your life.

00:25:46.000 He is the only one who can solve that for you.

00:25:49.000 But if you are, if that is, if you're putting that on another human being, then yeah, you're going to be left disappointed in the end.

00:25:57.000 And that's not just with Trump.

00:25:58.000 That's with anybody.

00:26:00.000 You know?

00:26:01.000 Me, that's what we've gone, Dave.

00:26:03.000 No, we've been doing that for a long time.

00:26:06.000 I mean, look at the Israelites.

00:26:09.000 They say, oh, no, no, no, we need a king.

00:26:11.000 We need a king.

00:26:13.000 And had to put a king in charge and then look to the king to take care of them.

00:26:19.000 That didn't turn out very well in a lot of circumstances.

00:26:24.000 You're blaming the Jews for this.

00:26:27.000 I knew it. 0.99

00:26:27.000 Dave is such an anti-Semite. 0.99

00:26:31.000 I've been thinking that the first component is to deny the existence of God, is to sort of say there is no God.

00:26:42.000 That's what the state does in general. 0.66

00:26:45.000 I mean, in a way.

00:26:46.000 Because they want you dependent on them.

00:26:48.000 Yeah.

00:26:49.000 Well, like a God.

00:26:51.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 And they say things that got layered out.

00:26:54.000 I've started to notice more and more that they want you to be like universal basic income, that sort of like financial dependency.

00:27:01.000 I can see that idea is being touted and promoted.

00:27:04.000 Then there's this kind of like we want they want us reliant on them for morality and for ethics, for direction, what's right and wrong and what's possible and what's not possible.

00:27:11.000 And they play God in a variety of ways culturally.

00:27:13.000 And now in my country, the UK, there's facial recognition technology being introduced simultaneous to digital ID and discussions of CBDC.

00:27:25.000 So there'll be, and there's Bill Gates, funded some research through the WHO that talks about a centralized set of data so that in one place, your health data and vaccination status, your economic status, and your ID, ethnographic data will be all stored.

00:27:48.000 And if that's tied to your finances, that's dangerous.

00:27:51.000 Because isn't China doing that?

00:27:52.000 It's dangerous.

00:27:53.000 Yeah.

00:27:54.000 It's super dangerous.

00:27:55.000 And they'll do digital currency where they can take away your banking account.

00:28:01.000 Like, oh, I don't like what you said.

00:28:02.000 I don't like what you said on your last podcast, Russell.

00:28:05.000 Guess what?

00:28:06.000 You're cut off from your bank until you apologize or you do something that we want.

00:28:11.000 Yeah, you can't travel and you can't access these facilities and resources.

00:28:17.000 And decentralization.

00:28:18.000 I got a question about that just in the UK in general, because I think from America, we're watching from afar, I think, watching the UK collapse.

00:28:29.000 Are most people over in the UK on board with what's going on?

00:28:33.000 Or I mean, is there people fighting back to be like, hey, we don't want this?

00:28:39.000 People are fighting back, but because the culture is so fractured, the fight back is fragmented because there's been years of sort of embedding cultural differences.

00:28:49.000 And because even the level of cohesion that would come if there was a meaningful trade union movement, once industries got moved out of the UK to, you know, say India or subcontinent or whatever, that cohesion that existed because everyone was members of sort of like coal mining unions or truck driver unions or whatever unions were dominant, that's gone.

00:29:14.000 And now the UK, because of mass migration, there's a lot of disparity there.

00:29:17.000 There's a lot of disparity and conflict around migration and in my country, Islam.

00:29:23.000 So people are, it seems to me that there's a lot of cynicism, scepticism, doubt in the UK about what's happening.

00:29:31.000 But there's what they've done is they've created the good preconditions by making the population very disparate, cynical of one another.

00:29:40.000 I mean, it was that dude, I'm blanking on his name, Dave Smith, actually, that said, at the beginning, he said, the Occupy movement was one of the early movements that came out of online communication.

00:29:53.000 So around 2008, people were protesting in the post-financial collapse era, protesting against the corruption of financial institutions and banks that seemingly deliberately brought about the collapse of the economy so they could benefit from it.

00:30:07.000 The Occupy movement was cross-cultural.

00:30:10.000 Like right-wing people were in it, left-wing people were in it.

00:30:14.000 Anyone was in it.

00:30:15.000 Dave Smith observed that that was the point that woke ism and identity politics really got promoted.

00:30:22.000 Now, that idea has been in the culture for a while.

00:30:24.000 It used to be called political correctness.

00:30:25.000 People say, oh, it's political correctness gone mad.

00:30:27.000 You can't even use the word black anymore.

00:30:30.000 And there is definitely, obviously, an argument for ensuring that minority groups or vulnerable communities or call them what you were will are not subject to hateful speech from the dominant population.

00:30:42.000 But that idea has clearly gone wrong because people don't know how to assess a country like Japan, where people generally want a stable population, or a country like Ireland, which isn't a former colonial power that's got really strong views on migration and big problems with migration.

00:31:02.000 So it's all really, really falling apart.

00:31:04.000 And in my country, yeah, you can tell there's a right-wing fashion, a right-wing kind of resistance movement built around Tommy Robinson.

00:31:13.000 He's very focused on Islam.

00:31:16.000 Then there's people that are like sort of into conspiracy and stuff that will be into David Icke.

00:31:21.000 Then there's a kind of a post-COVID movement where there are political figures that are like, wait, we were lied to in COVID. 1.00

00:31:28.000 Shit, man. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Then vaccines didn't work. 1.00

00:31:30.000 The lockdowns were a lie.

00:31:31.000 How politicians were partying throughout that?

00:31:34.000 Why are they still not revealing the number of vaccine-related deaths?

00:31:37.000 You know, a lot of information is getting sat on.

00:31:39.000 So there is this latent, nascent resistance, but it's not organized.

00:31:45.000 And it's difficult for it to be organized in a country that's so disparate.

00:31:49.000 And I would think, and I believe in fact, that that points to the solution.

00:31:53.000 When the Canadian philosopher Marshall McLuhan, like said, the medium is the message, he meant in that time, well, it's mass media, it's television.

00:32:03.000 The message is the medium.

00:32:04.000 Like whatever you watch it on, that's the message.

00:32:07.000 And in those days, a few people could control all print media.

00:32:12.000 A few people could control all broadcast television.

00:32:14.000 It was a very cohesive, tight group you could control, other than like renegade journalists here or there with a Watergate or an Iran contra or whatever.

00:32:21.000 You could control information.

00:32:23.000 Now, everyone's a journalist.

00:32:25.000 Everyone is Babylon. 1.00

00:32:26.000 Like it's the Tower of Babel is over.

00:32:28.000 It's craziness.

00:32:29.000 Anyone can communicate anytime.

00:32:30.000 The positives of that are, I think things are moving really quickly.

00:32:34.000 But the point I want to make is, see what happened to media.

00:32:38.000 Media collapsed.

00:32:39.000 It couldn't compete in this environment.

00:32:41.000 Like, you know, some of them will find ways through subscription or whatever.

00:32:43.000 New York Times will probably survive.

00:32:45.000 Maybe the BBC in some form will survive.

00:32:47.000 But the next phase, which I think people already know but are trying to prevent happening, is politics starts to reflect it.

00:32:56.000 Politics starts to reflect.

00:32:57.000 Wait, wait.

00:32:59.000 In the same way that you wouldn't just have Fox versus MSNBC, because now you've got thousands of bespoke media outlets.

00:33:07.000 Why would you not have a politics that reflects smaller units of sovereignty, which is what America was set up for anyway?

00:33:15.000 And I think it's a matter of very short time before people are able to go, we should have decentralized control over our state, over our town, over our community, that the principle should be localization and individual sovereignty.

00:33:27.000 That should be the principle.

00:33:29.000 And when that principle has to come up against corporatism, global commerce, mass bureaucracy, that principle should win.

00:33:35.000 That ends in an instant cultural wars because it's like your community over there, yeah, run it all, woke, run it all however you want.

00:33:41.000 Run yours Muslim, do what you want. 1.00

00:33:43.000 But we're going to run our community.

00:33:45.000 And then you can have national consensus on big subjects, migration, what kind of military force you want to keep, what kind of infrastructure is needed.

00:33:52.000 And if that conversation ever gets out, think how quickly the idea can spread. 0.92

00:33:56.000 And then who the fuck wants to have a couple of hundred people in Congress or Westminster Parliament?

00:34:01.000 So I think even though in Britain it's disparate and desperate and sometimes seems totally hopeless, especially for someone facing a rape trial just while they're getting ready to get rid of juries, thankfully not in rape trials actually, but rape or sentences that hold trials that hold big potential jail sentences. 0.89

00:34:20.000 You know, the hope I see in it is they're trying to keep down something that if enough people start thinking that way, like looking for our connection instead of our differences, then I think there could be successive radical changes.

00:34:37.000 Yeah, I mean, I see that point.

00:34:39.000 I also, you know, just the way my brain works, I can see from that decentralized command or that, you know, having decentralized government or like, hey, you do your thing over there.

00:34:51.000 We're going to do ours over here.

00:34:52.000 I can also see that going pretty wrong as well, where eventually one group is going to expand into the other group's land.

00:35:00.000 Because that's what's happened once.

00:35:02.000 That's just the nature of things.

00:35:04.000 Yeah, right.

00:35:04.000 So then what's going to happen then?

00:35:06.000 What are the rules?

00:35:07.000 Like, hey, you're not allowed to come on our land or you're not, you have to follow our rules.

00:35:12.000 So again, I just, I'm like, what it all comes down to to me, man, is, you know, if you don't, if you have God in your life and if you don't treat others the way that you want to be treated, then there's always going to be an issue.

00:35:25.000 And I think that there's plenty of people that don't have God in their life, but they're not, they think they're leading a good life.

00:35:31.000 They think they're good people.

00:35:32.000 But when it comes down to it, when there's conflict that arises, they have nowhere to go.

00:35:38.000 And people that do follow God will go to him and be like, what is the right thing to do here?

00:35:42.000 Right.

00:35:43.000 I want to treat, I love thy neighbor, right?

00:35:45.000 That's one of the commandments.

00:35:47.000 So I think if you don't have that outlook, then I can see it going terribly wrong.

00:35:53.000 And I've been to countries where, yes, you see like even Afghanistan, Iraq, they live in that sort of that already.

00:36:01.000 There are just, they live in their little tribal area.

00:36:03.000 But guess what?

00:36:04.000 They're at war with the tribe that's two miles down the road.

00:36:07.000 They never see each other, but they go to war over that guy stole my goat or that guy's uncle took, you know, something from us a long time ago.

00:36:15.000 And that, that feud is there.

00:36:17.000 And so they are constantly combating each other on that.

00:36:19.000 And it's just to us as Americans, when we go over there and we figure this out, we're like, what the heck is going on here?

00:36:27.000 How can you guys live like this?

00:36:28.000 Because we live under, we follow under one command, right?

00:36:33.000 It kind of sounds refreshing.

00:36:35.000 It's like fighting your neighbor over a goat.

00:36:39.000 Get back to some local wars again.

00:36:41.000 Gangs of New York.

00:36:43.000 Yeah.

00:36:43.000 I mean, that's how our country was formed.

00:36:45.000 I know.

00:36:45.000 I was thinking about the UK.

00:36:46.000 I mean, that's right.

00:36:47.000 You had the lords.

00:36:48.000 You had these little sections that were some people were just, some people were unjust.

00:36:55.000 Then it kind of goes wrong.

00:36:56.000 I guess the king is that just takes too much power.

00:36:59.000 And that's why it's become what it was.

00:37:02.000 And then it makes me think about our favorite movie, The Patriot.

00:37:05.000 Nice.

00:37:07.000 It's a phenomenal movie.

00:37:09.000 It's a good movie.

00:37:10.000 It's a good movie.

00:37:11.000 America's based on that. 0.83

00:37:12.000 What do you think for the UK to rise up again?

00:37:17.000 Would they?

00:37:18.000 Could they?

00:37:19.000 Well, I think, firstly, stop insulting England.

00:37:24.000 Secondly, I think that, you know, it is interesting to think of how does a nation expand and contract and ultimately implode and fail.

00:37:35.000 Like, because I see Tucker on something the other day and he was asking, why did Britain, it was on Piers Morgan, like, why don't, aren't British people mad that the First World War and Second World War essentially bankrupted that nation and drove it into decline?

00:37:49.000 And obviously, there's no sort of clear, it's been on my mind since I heard him say that.

00:37:54.000 And I thought, what is the stain on the national character of a fallen empire?

00:37:59.000 I suppose in a way, maybe it's a slightly bogus premise because in the same way that the vast, vast, vast majority of ordinary Americans are in no way benefiting from American global domination.

00:38:15.000 So yeah, like I think that you're right, boy.

00:38:17.000 But how could they even, if they wanted to, in the UK, revolt?

00:38:23.000 They won't be able to.

00:38:24.000 England, I think that our, like, this is what I heard, you know, obviously I've thought about English power, British power a lot because I'm from there.

00:38:32.000 And I saw someone, it might have been Candice Ammonis talking to someone like Piers Morgan, actually, that while British power globally and economically has completely imploded after those wars, it's a deep power.

00:38:46.000 It's like it runs deep, deep.

00:38:48.000 Families, aristocracy, institutions, like the idea of overthrowing all of that in the UK, it's sort of hard.

00:38:57.000 Like Britain has a good, like, it seems like it's a very, it's very good at absorbing and redirecting dissent in the UK.

00:39:06.000 It's good at absorbing it and redirecting it and protecting it.

00:39:09.000 I mean, the very even the, even the, whatchamacallit, that you'll have a holiday where they celebrate the dude who tried to overthrow it.

00:39:15.000 Good old guy, Fawkes.

00:39:17.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:17.000 Celebrate him by burning him. 0.99

00:39:19.000 Yeah, you're right. 1.00

00:39:20.000 By burning a dissenter, a Catholic dissenter. 0.77

00:39:23.000 And yeah, Britain's good somehow at maintaining it.

00:39:26.000 But you know, like in Bulgaria, like about a week ago in Bulgaria, there was a general strike across the population and the whole government had to resign.

00:39:34.000 And I know we sort of think of like Balkan countries and little countries as not being sort of comparable to long-established former imperial powers.

00:39:44.000 But actually, I do think that's what all this is about.

00:39:47.000 I think there are going to be big revolutions in coming years.

00:39:51.000 In a way, there have been already.

00:39:54.000 Like what's happened in your country?

00:39:56.000 God, it's not that long ago since Russia, the Russian, French, and American revolutions aren't that long ago, really.

00:40:02.000 None of them are that long.

00:40:04.000 Like there's that famous some kind of quip.

00:40:07.000 How did the French Revolution?

00:40:08.000 Oh, was the French Revolution a good thing? 1.00

00:40:10.000 Someone's saying, you know, it was too early to say.

00:40:13.000 Like, you know, that's one of the things that people, you know, some sort of quip or whatever.

00:40:16.000 Anyway, I just feel like because things are getting so fast now, change is happening so quickly.

00:40:21.000 I feel like you could see in the same way as Napster collapsed an entire record industry and the record industry had to reformulate.

00:40:29.000 You could see it.

00:40:29.000 And what's happening as we were discussing in media, you could see it happening in politics now.

00:40:34.000 It did happen a bit.

00:40:35.000 Like in Europe, some like new parties came from nowhere into ascendancy.

00:40:41.000 A political party called Podemos won in Spain.

00:40:44.000 Spain is not like, you know, UK, Germany, France, but it's still a significant nation.

00:40:49.000 And then Bepe Grillo in Italy.

00:40:53.000 And even like Zelensky increasingly does look like he was always a puppet, always, and it was always a bit of a scam.

00:40:58.000 But like you're seeing new political movements forming and getting in power very quickly.

00:41:05.000 El Salvador, like you would tell Salvador, did you see?

00:41:08.000 Did you feel that?

00:41:09.000 What they're, I know what they're trying to do to talk about all the changes of it.

00:41:13.000 Did you feel that when you went there?

00:41:14.000 Like something's happening here from an outside.

00:41:16.000 Yeah.

00:41:18.000 You can feel that something's happening there, but it does feel also pretty colonial.

00:41:21.000 Like you feel like they've worked out in El Salvador that there's a branding opportunity through Bitcoin and stuff like that.

00:41:31.000 And if Costa Rica can create this Pura Vida thing, what's the El Salvadorian equivalent of it?

00:41:38.000 I think it's really good leadership.

00:41:40.000 It is pretty amazing to take to change a country from like that kind of murder rate to what they've achieved in El Salvador.

00:41:45.000 It's really, really impressive and unbelievable in a way.

00:41:48.000 But those changes always come at cost.

00:41:50.000 You're building super jails and banging up gangs and arresting and jailing people without trial and all of that.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:56.000 It does come with a cost.

00:41:58.000 I mean, I think, and that's where I think some people need to look at it that way, where, you know, you look at El Salvador and how, you know, the change that's happened, like you just said, right?

00:42:08.000 But those were some extreme, there's extreme measures we're taken to have that change.

00:42:13.000 And so we, I know on the list, like ICE, right?

00:42:16.000 Yeah.

00:42:16.000 It's, that's an extreme measure going on right now to combat all the illegal immigrants that were let in over the past four years.

00:42:25.000 But it's also a controversial extreme measure, right?

00:42:29.000 And I have my thoughts on it.

00:42:31.000 I think it's a necessary, I guess, a necessary evil at times, because I do think while there are, you know, criminals, gang members, whatever else that have come into this country illegally, yes, get them out. 0.99

00:42:47.000 Like we need to disperse of all of them, especially the ones bringing the drugs in the country, the ones doing all the child trafficking, all that. 0.55

00:42:54.000 But at the same time, we all know that there are hardworking illegal immigrants that have been here, that have made a life here that honestly do more for this country than a normal citizen does a lot of the times.

00:43:05.000 And then you see large groups of them getting deported.

00:43:10.000 Where that's where you're like, okay, where do we draw the line?

00:43:13.000 And I think that's where it becomes controversial with a lot of people.

00:43:16.000 But at the same time, I do understand it's an extreme measure.

00:43:20.000 And if you want extreme change, an extreme measure is needed at times.

00:43:24.000 It's hard, isn't it?

00:43:25.000 I mean, there was a mandate.

00:43:27.000 What you can, no one can say is that Trump weren't elected on a mandate to address illegal immigration.

00:43:35.000 People voted for that.

00:43:36.000 So then when you see it, but like, you know, you can't say that it was clandestine or it wasn't what we voted for.

00:43:43.000 Yeah, whereas the Epstein files, you can say, hold on, you told us we were getting those folks.

00:43:46.000 But, you know, they did say we're going to deal with the problem of migration.

00:43:49.000 And I was reminded, of course, of when Joe Rogan played that clip of Hillary Clinton in around 2000 and maybe eight, maybe a little earlier, talking about migration.

00:43:58.000 She's like, if you are, you should be rounded up and kicked out of the country.

00:44:02.000 You should be, if you want to stay, you have to get in line.

00:44:04.000 You have to take a test.

00:44:06.000 You have to pay your back taxes.

00:44:07.000 You know, like she was to the right of him.

00:44:09.000 So, and as Joe Rogan said, in response to that clip, it just shows you that it's all bollocks.

00:44:13.000 Yeah, well, that was back in the day when Hillary actually thought that she could win on just the votes of the American people. 0.96

00:44:19.000 That's how the Democrats thought they could win on just having the votes to the American people.

00:44:23.000 So, of course, they're going to say that.

00:44:24.000 But I think that whole position changed when Trump won. 0.99

00:44:28.000 And they're like, oh, shit, we don't have all the votes. 0.99

00:44:31.000 So let's go ahead and get all these illegal immigrants in here, put them in blue states, you know, give them money, provide them with everything. 1.00

00:44:40.000 So therefore, we can have their vote the next time an election comes around.

00:44:43.000 Illegal immigrants aren't swaying elections, though.

00:44:47.000 Are they voting?

00:44:48.000 I mean, like, I've always struggled to understand that kind of stuff.

00:44:51.000 What we'll say is when we went to Dallas to go to that rock bridge thing, like this event for Chris Buzzkirk and JD Vance have this foundation, which is in itself pretty fascinating because it's an attempt to replace the infrastructure that was lost when the union movement fell apart.

00:45:08.000 And when formerly Democrat voters started to vote Republican around Trump, they realized they couldn't direct them.

00:45:17.000 They started all these chapters around things like hunting and small business and all of these new ways to create organization once you can't economically loop people into categories where they can be sort of managed or whatever.

00:45:27.000 Anyway, when we were landing in Dallas, we saw like a bunch of like sort of guys mostly getting high state detainees.

00:45:37.000 It did not look good.

00:45:38.000 It didn't look like the feeling when you see it was not a good feeling.

00:45:42.000 Well, no, but I'll tell you this.

00:45:43.000 Just a couple of years ago, I saw almost the same thing, except it was the opposite when I flew into airports.

00:45:49.000 They were flying them in.

00:45:50.000 They were giving them priority to go on flights.

00:45:53.000 They were paying for their plane or plane tickets to go wherever in this country.

00:45:58.000 So again, that wasn't a good feeling either.

00:46:00.000 It's like, why are we letting all these people in who didn't come in here the right way and then giving them money, giving them EBT cards, all this other stuff that was going on to, it was all to sway their vote, to sway like, hey, we're the ones helping you out right now, not the Republicans.

00:46:20.000 We're the ones giving you all this free stuff.

00:46:22.000 So when you can vote, you know who to vote for.

00:46:26.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:26.000 So that's what I mean.

00:46:29.000 Two different dilemmas that both are wrong.

00:46:34.000 If somebody was coming in, a leader was coming in and he's making hard choices and all these changes happen.

00:46:41.000 Would you, you know, all the great movements, I guess, if you look over the history of the world, when you're in the middle of it, what does it feel like?

00:46:49.000 Like, do you would you recognize it as that or Napoleon or this feels like because some of that stuff is the unknown of what's happening?

00:46:58.000 And you go, you, you sway between, I trust this guy, I like him.

00:47:02.000 This guy's psychotic and he's ruining the country. 0.74

00:47:06.000 And I feel like all you think with Trump, you mean that or anyone in anyone? 0.85

00:47:11.000 Any big thing, like even El Salvador, when you start locking people up, is there a moment where everybody's just blindly trusting?

00:47:19.000 Or do you feel like it's a I don't think you can have that?

00:47:22.000 I think it's institutional.

00:47:24.000 Like, why would it be that the sort of history of our kind is, you know, we start off as tribal people, then over time, tribes start getting amalgamated under feudalism, like you mentioned in the UK.

00:47:36.000 And then you say, right, this is a thing called a country now, and I'm king of all of you, and you barons.

00:47:42.000 Like, why would you keep making those things bigger and bigger?

00:47:46.000 Like, one trajectory is like, in the end, there's a global imperialist government where everything's, you know, turned into quadrants or zones all our hunger games.

00:47:54.000 Or the other one is, who's benefiting from that system?

00:47:59.000 What is the point of this continuing aggregation?

00:48:03.000 And I think that, like you always say, any individual or set of individuals are, because they are broken and fallible, whether it's Trump or any of us in this room, are gonna reproduce those kind of results eventually.

00:48:16.000 So what I'm suggesting is that we start to look at systems themselves and address what the system, systematic errors are that lead to these results.

00:48:26.000 Now, of course, I feel like I can feel like Eddie will say human nature is sort of conflict.

00:48:31.000 And definitely that's part of human nature.

00:48:34.000 And I think that it is what you said there that unless you're sharing the gospel, unless you're sharing wake up to the reality of Christ in yourself.

00:48:44.000 And then I'm sort of torn because like before I came to Jesus, my kind of personal ideals were all about, in a sense, social justice.

00:48:52.000 I really sort of was aware of corruption, deception, lies, hypocrisy in myself and in the world.

00:48:58.000 And I really, I was mostly focused on how do you change it in the world instead of how do I change it myself.

00:49:02.000 Much harder to change it in yourself, of course.

00:49:04.000 But since coming to Christ, I'm like, well, it's sort of in here.

00:49:08.000 It talks a lot about the world is controlled.

00:49:10.000 Like the Old Testament, false idols, false idols, false idols.

00:49:13.000 Stop it. 1.00

00:49:13.000 Follow the one true God, you idiots. 1.00

00:49:15.000 Oh, God, I've sent another prophet. 1.00

00:49:16.000 Why aren't you listening?

00:49:17.000 The New Testament, all right, I'll do it myself.

00:49:19.000 I'll do it myself.

00:49:20.000 You're never going to sort this out.

00:49:21.000 I'll come down, explain it all.

00:49:23.000 And then it's like again and again, we're told the world is controlled by the evil one.

00:49:27.000 The evil runs this world.

00:49:29.000 And I think what one of my, if I can, my lament against Christians, and you've all been Christian longer than me, and you're all sort of American Christians and everything, but I feel like Christians don't talk enough about evil. 0.99

00:49:40.000 And when they do, it's normally sort of temptation style individual evil, like, oh, you've got demons tormenting you, making you crazy, rather than the government is flat out controlled by the devil.

00:49:52.000 We need to go to war. 0.99

00:49:53.000 Now, I suppose that's because in there, it doesn't say in the book, I'm saying pointing at the Bible.

00:49:57.000 It doesn't say that that's what we're supposed to do.

00:50:00.000 It doesn't say Jesus is recruiting you, but it does, I get a sense that we're supposed to be doing something, not just passively like, well, let's wait for the second coming.

00:50:08.000 I get the idea that we're men of engaged agents in the bringing about of the kingdom, but I don't understand why or how.

00:50:14.000 And I don't understand why there's not more explicit talk about the evil in human institutions.

00:50:21.000 Why do you think that is, Dave?

00:50:23.000 I mean, we're Americans.

00:50:25.000 So, like, I think as an American, it's almost pride, probably, in a lot of ways.

00:50:32.000 It's like, we're not going to talk about evil a lot because it's about us and we're the center of our world.

00:50:39.000 I think it's fear.

00:50:42.000 I think that certain church leaders are scared to speak out against it because politics has been politics is involved in everything, right?

00:50:51.000 Even our churches.

00:50:53.000 And I think that a lot of pastors, they try to deliver a message in such a way that it doesn't rock the boat.

00:51:02.000 Right.

00:51:03.000 They're like, oh, I'm going to try and word it in such a manner where I'm not upsetting, you know, a certain administration or a certain whatever.

00:51:11.000 Instead of just being what they're supposed to do is come out and be like, this is what the word says.

00:51:16.000 This is what our government is doing.

00:51:18.000 This is wrong.

00:51:19.000 Like we should be combating against this.

00:51:22.000 Right.

00:51:23.000 But I think out of fear, just because, you know, whatever you want to call it, cancel culture or everything else that we've developed over the years that it has made people a lot more scared to speak out on what the truth is because they're scared of what's going to happen to them, the repercussions.

00:51:39.000 I think growing up in, you know, the 90s Christian home, you're almost taught, like, don't talk about the devil, don't talk about evil, almost like you were giving it an open door to somehow take over your life.

00:51:52.000 And so everything was like sheltered.

00:51:56.000 You know, the world is evil and we're going to make alternatives to that.

00:52:00.000 You know, we talk about it all the time, like, don't watch this movie, but watch this terrible Christian movie. 1.00

00:52:05.000 That really bothers you that way.

00:52:06.000 It bothers me because it was never good art, you know, and it's like, which is a reflection of makes you feel like God's not creative, that he's not, you know, bigger than this terrible stuff that we're making as Christians often.

00:52:22.000 Talking about Kirk Cameron.

00:52:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:52:25.000 And he's, you know, like even Kirk Cameron.

00:52:26.000 You're naming and shame in some of these bad things.

00:52:28.000 Hey, I had to sit through a couple of his Christian movies and I was like, dude, this is not it. 0.88

00:52:33.000 And he's committed.

00:52:33.000 So like he is who he is.

00:52:35.000 No, he's not a bad person.

00:52:37.000 He's a good person.

00:52:37.000 He was in the culture.

00:52:38.000 You know, he was in the movie, in the TV show.

00:52:42.000 Growing pain.

00:52:43.000 And just like, you would know him.

00:52:45.000 And then it was a complete shift.

00:52:46.000 And he's like, I don't want to be a part of this culture.

00:52:49.000 But then he just created an alternative culture ultimately.

00:52:53.000 But when you grow up, not with the authority, like push back darkness and to go after it and shed light on it.

00:53:02.000 And we're always told, be the light of the world.

00:53:04.000 But like for me, it was like the devil came up.

00:53:06.000 It's like, don't talk about it.

00:53:08.000 Like you're giving him open door.

00:53:10.000 Something's going to happen, you know, instead of we have the authority.

00:53:14.000 And Ali's been so good, like speaking through those things, like in our household.

00:53:21.000 So that's been, if it starts in your heart and then it goes to your home and then you affect your community, then it grows from there.

00:53:29.000 Yeah.

00:53:29.000 It's like a principle of subsidiarity as well.

00:53:31.000 That's like the principle is it starts at the smallest unit authority does with you interfacing with God and then it flows outwards to the state, et cetera.

00:53:40.000 Not the state's in total control.

00:53:43.000 Then you are just a drone or a larvae within it.

00:53:47.000 My, he's not a friend actually anymore because like, you know, you get accused of some stuff in public and Lord alone knows it's pretty hard for people that still live in the culture and make their money from the culture to remain your friend.

00:53:58.000 And I don't know how that, what your version of that was like in the military.

00:54:03.000 Yeah, well, you know, so like there's this really, and actually I've not reached out to him or anything, so who knows?

00:54:09.000 But there's a, this brilliant British comedian, Frank Skinner, who I've always admired and liked and done interviews with at different times or whatever.

00:54:18.000 He's a Catholic and I saw him on a Christian TV or a podcast, actually, podcast.

00:54:24.000 And he said, people don't talk, he goes, we shouldn't try to neuter Christianity and make it, you know, sanitary and like, it's just a good system.

00:54:35.000 Like, it's like it's wellness or it's not like it's not wellness.

00:54:39.000 We should bring up like, yeah, like we believe in like a virgin birth, angels, demons, giants, floods, all these like really crazy things that are in there should be brought to the forefront.

00:54:51.000 And as I engage with scripture, like, say, like when I'm reading Ezekiel or Daniel and reading prophecy, it has, I would say, a sort of a psychedelic impact on me.

00:55:02.000 And it seems like what when people are talking about visions and prophecy, it seems to me that what they're talking about are layers of reality.

00:55:09.000 I've been thinking about this.

00:55:10.000 You might like this.

00:55:11.000 I don't want to lose track of what we said about why Christianity don't bring those things to the forefront.

00:55:15.000 But I heard this really good story.

00:55:17.000 I've been messing around with it in my mind ever since.

00:55:19.000 Someone said it from the pulpit.

00:55:21.000 So it's a church story anyway, but I'm praying it's true.

00:55:23.000 I should probably research these things before I start telling everyone.

00:55:25.000 Anyway, I heard that there was these experiments done on two sets of dogs like in a laboratory, both in cages, both of which are electrified, you know, low-level electric impulse through the cage.

00:55:37.000 One set of dogs, say group A, have access to a lever, but when they press it, it alleviates the current and they're no longer electrocuted.

00:55:45.000 Group B dogs, there's no lever in there.

00:55:47.000 They can't do anything to stop that electric current being transmitted.

00:55:50.000 Eventually, over time, those dogs just lay down, live with it, totally accept it as part of everyday life.

00:55:54.000 The next part of the experiment is they put both sets of dogs in another cage.

00:55:57.000 That cage has an electric charge, no lever, but only a one and a half foot high fence.

00:56:01.000 If the dogs want to get out, they can get out. 0.99

00:56:03.000 All the dogs that were in group A, where there was a lever, get the fuck out of there. 0.99

00:56:07.000 All the dogs that were in group B, just lay down and take it. 0.98

00:56:10.000 Well, it occurred to me that we live in an electromagnetic cage in so much as everything that happens on the level of the brain, whether it's sensory information received through the nose, the eyes, or the ears, is interpreted within the body as an electromagnetic impulse through the synapses.

00:56:28.000 Even something like pain, right?

00:56:29.000 It's an electromagnetic impulse.

00:56:31.000 So all of us are in these cages where we're continually subject to stimulation.

00:56:36.000 Could be like we're subject to bad food, bad information, bad screens, bad stuff.

00:56:40.000 You're living in a cage.

00:56:41.000 Now, depending on maybe accidents of birth or some grand inconceivable design, some of us have known there's a lever in the cage.

00:56:50.000 Some of us have known, I can get out of this, actually.

00:56:54.000 But me, my own version of being one of the dogs that gets out of it is I've always thought, you know, say from the economic and social class I was from as a child, my route out was I'm going to become, please God, famous.

00:57:07.000 And like the route of doing that, also I was taking drugs the whole time and becoming an addict.

00:57:11.000 I was in so much pain and probably couldn't really work out.

00:57:14.000 Maybe in some level, I always knew that the trophies of the culture would never heal the wound.

00:57:21.000 Only Christ can do that. 1.00

00:57:22.000 But, you know, at that point, I just thought, Christianity is total bullshit. 1.00

00:57:25.000 You know, I didn't have any understanding of it. 0.98

00:57:27.000 Anyway, so I wonder what you think about that, about the idea that is that true that neurologically your subjective experience is just receiving a bunch of impulses.

00:57:41.000 That's all that's happening inside.

00:57:43.000 You're just receiving electromagnetic impulses.

00:57:46.000 Other than if you are on some grid of God where you're receiving sublime and divine information.

00:57:52.000 So I think that if people don't start to look at reality like you're contained in a cage full of impulses, they don't have to look at it like that.

00:58:01.000 They're not going to receive the wisdom or potential truth that there's a way out of it through the cross, through him. 0.81

00:58:09.000 No, I think that's a good analogy.

00:58:11.000 So I'm sure.

00:58:12.000 And it's probably why UK is so much more less likely for like overthrow change is because they've been conditioned.

00:58:23.000 Yeah.

00:58:24.000 Generationally, and maybe it was even carried in the genes, man.

00:58:27.000 Yeah, yeah, under the decline, like you always talk about the power of their salvation, you know, of what Christianity is in the UK, that correlation.

00:58:36.000 Like you said you would go to churches, it'd be so boring, and it felt like nobody believed any of this stuff anyway.

00:58:42.000 If they started to believe it, and that light switch could turn on and that power could come back, and you start pulling levers and getting out instead of just laying down still, you know.

00:58:53.000 Because if he was in a church, like imagine, like, it's almost a sketch.

00:58:57.000 If you're in there in a church, they go, like, right, God came to earth as a baby.

00:59:00.000 You'd be like, What?

00:59:03.000 A baby, yeah.

00:59:04.000 Then they killed him.

00:59:05.000 Oh, my God.

00:59:06.000 Why?

00:59:07.000 Well, I don't know, man.

00:59:08.000 Like, it's actually like, you know, when I feel, I felt when I first come to Jesus, it is a bit like the feelings I remember from when drugs work.

00:59:17.000 You know, when drugs work, and it was a bit like, oh, yeah, this is good, man.

00:59:20.000 It's switching off the pain.

00:59:22.000 It's working.

00:59:23.000 I felt like waves of kind of, oh my God, it's the subtle detection of a reality that's more powerful than the reality you think you live in, normally brought about by trauma or whatever.

00:59:35.000 It was in my case, at least.

00:59:37.000 Like that's sort of amazing feeling, isn't it?

00:59:40.000 But it's hard to sustain, isn't it?

00:59:42.000 It's hard to sustain that connection.

00:59:45.000 Forget, but my experience was similar to yours.

00:59:49.000 A lot of people have more of a gradual, it won't be as dramatic, but when it's dramatic like that, I mean, you feel it.

00:59:57.000 I don't know.

00:59:58.000 I don't know.

00:59:58.000 When you first came to the Lord, when you were in prison, you really had that.

01:00:02.000 Yeah, I mean, that was a super dramatic.

01:00:04.000 I mean, that couldn't be more like you.

01:00:07.000 It's almost like what you said.

01:00:08.000 It's if no drug had made me feel that way.

01:00:12.000 I felt, I definitely felt this presence.

01:00:14.000 I felt the weight come off me.

01:00:16.000 I felt a feeling of like protection, like just something wrapped around me.

01:00:24.000 And I, and I've done every drug under the book.

01:00:27.000 And I'm like, nope, this is, this is happening to me right now in my prison cell without any substances.

01:00:33.000 I'm like, this is real.

01:00:34.000 Yeah.

01:00:35.000 That's amazing.

01:00:36.000 And sometimes that's, it takes, it takes everything.

01:00:39.000 You have to have everything stripped from you, or you have to be almost at rock bottom to for the Lord to be like, now do you see?

01:00:45.000 You know, at least it does for us knucklehead.

01:00:48.000 So the Christmas story, ultimately, the season that we're in, the light of the world out of the darkness shines bright.

01:00:58.000 I think about those sort of revelations that happen in the season, what they should be, not about shopping, not just reflecting on the year, but this beautiful story of the light.

01:01:10.000 So I'd love if Russell, you read a little bit.

01:01:14.000 Sometimes I think, Jake, you know, Jake's not taking life seriously.

01:01:17.000 He's a Louisiana guy.

01:01:19.000 But then I look at the clock and I see it says 59 minutes and 40 seconds.

01:01:22.000 And Jake says something like, read the Christmas.

01:01:25.000 This guy knows what he's doing.

01:01:26.000 He's on point.

01:01:27.000 Good transition.

01:01:28.000 It's real.

01:01:29.000 It's real.

01:01:30.000 He's real.

01:01:31.000 Jake, where in Luke will I find it, mate?

01:01:34.000 Well, look, what's interesting is everything we're talking about of these news stories, all the failure of governments, all the failure of leaders.

01:01:43.000 If you read Isaiah 9:6 verse, Isaiah 9:6.

01:01:47.000 This is the promise of Jesus in the season prophesied for a long time.

01:01:55.000 And even when Jesus came, there's like 400 years of silence.

01:01:59.000 I mean, that's crazy.

01:02:01.000 So I start with 9-6.

01:02:03.000 Isaiah 9:6.

01:02:05.000 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders, and he will be called wonderful counselor, mighty God, everlasting father, prince of peace.

01:02:19.000 Of the greatness of his government and peace, there will be no end.

01:02:22.000 He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness.

01:02:29.000 From that time on and forever, the zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.

01:02:36.000 There is my son on that note.

01:02:38.000 That's the hope.

01:02:39.000 That's what we're all, that's what we're all wanting, and that's what we're all really asking for when we see the collapse of society and all the people we've put our false hope into.

01:02:50.000 And then he answers it right there: the government rests on his shoulder, his kingdom will have no end.

01:02:54.000 And you know, he'll be just, and you'll know he's the wonderful counselor.

01:02:59.000 He does it all right where everybody else fails.

01:03:02.000 And so you can submit to that and surrender to that, innit?

01:03:05.000 Because that feeling I have all the time of I can't trust people, I can't trust people if I trust I'll be when you said that about protection.

01:03:10.000 I felt like, oh, that's so nice to feel like, especially someone like you who I associate a lot with physical competence.

01:03:20.000 Yeah.

01:03:22.000 What should I read about the and they're saying in Luke, Jake?

01:03:26.000 Luke 2:1 through 20.

01:03:28.000 It's just the Christmas story one through 20.

01:03:33.000 In those days, Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world.

01:03:40.000 This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria, and everyone went to their own town to register.

01:03:49.000 Mass surveillance, facial recognition technology.

01:03:52.000 So Joseph went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea to Bethlehem, the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David.

01:04:02.000 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child.

01:04:06.000 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son.

01:04:12.000 She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger because there was no guest room available for him.

01:04:20.000 And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night.

01:04:25.000 An angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them.

01:04:30.000 And they were terrified.

01:04:31.000 But the angel said to them, Do not be afraid.

01:04:35.000 I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all the people.

01:04:40.000 Today, in the town of David, a savior is being born to you.

01:04:44.000 He is the Messiah, the Lord.

01:04:46.000 This will be a sign to you.

01:04:49.000 You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.

01:04:53.000 Suddenly, a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel praising God and saying, Glory to God in the highest heaven and on earth, peace to those on whom his favor rests.

01:05:10.000 Yeah, I think I like that moment of discovering him, of discovering him in the low places in a manger or in a prison cell, or in my case, sort of in a field by the house when I was doing some suicide planning, just like sort of planning out the kind of that's a low point.

01:05:29.000 The suicide plan, yeah, I think that's pretty low.

01:05:32.000 Yeah, okay, so the dog leads this dog leashes this long, carry the one.

01:05:38.000 Oh, don't wear high-heeled Cuban shoes. 0.93

01:05:41.000 Was this in the UK?

01:05:42.000 Yes, there's a theme developing, Eddie. 0.92

01:05:44.000 Yeah, it's a suicide nation. 0.99

01:05:46.000 Well, you're trying to kill yourself the dog leash. 1.00

01:05:48.000 I'm like, a gun would do the trick. 0.99

01:05:51.000 That's your point.

01:05:52.000 I was just saying, that's what I was wondering where it was at.

01:05:56.000 Well, wait, you could be using this firearm.

01:06:03.000 So, has Christmas changed since becoming a Christian? 0.99

01:06:07.000 Yeah, the first one, like, was the last one, but this one, the advent, I've had this awareness of the idea of coming light.

01:06:16.000 I've really been aware of coming light.

01:06:18.000 I've really thought throughout the event season, I've been doing this in with the Brown family, actually.

01:06:23.000 That's their surname.

01:06:24.000 I don't consort with people that are not white. 1.00

01:06:28.000 Last name, sorry.

01:06:31.000 And like we've been having these Advent events where they've been like music and it's been very, very beautiful.

01:06:37.000 And I've been really feeling the principles of peace and joy and the coming of light.

01:06:45.000 In particular, it's in there somewhere.

01:06:48.000 Light by which all other light is experienced.

01:06:51.000 The light by which all light is experienced.

01:06:52.000 You couldn't see light were there not another light by which you saw light.

01:06:58.000 Like, you know, like that.

01:06:59.000 That's what that image system is talking about.

01:07:03.000 Consciousness, awareness, the sort of presence of God.

01:07:07.000 You know, yeah, so it's felt sort of joy.

01:07:09.000 It hasn't felt like any of the packaged versions, the sort of modern contemporary, you know, consumerist versions say, or the even the Victorian, like the British, like many of the, much of the paraphernalia of Christmas is British, Victorian, like Yuletide log and Christmas tree and all that.

01:07:30.000 I felt a bit more of a kind of, oh, like Christmas is the coming of the most power conceivable in the lowest circumstance and in the most innocent way.

01:07:41.000 Great power in vulnerability, great power in brokenness, great power in total trust, total trust.

01:07:49.000 Like that famous story that I hear Christians tell a lot of like when the missionary work being done in Fijian Islands and they had no work, they had no word for trust, no word for faith, no word for belief. 0.97

01:08:00.000 And in the end, the missionary said, well, when you sit on that chair, what are you doing?

01:08:06.000 Like, and he says, oh, we're putting, there was a word that means putting your full weight into something, putting like yielding.

01:08:14.000 And I'm like, that's where I'm, I'm this Christmas feeling that continually in and out of it because any attempt at control is a kind of a denouncing of his sovereignty.

01:08:27.000 Yeah.

01:08:27.000 And I don't know how to fully make yourself like just the tip of the spear, how to make yourself just a sort of channel of his peace, just a sort of an open vessel.

01:08:36.000 And he's like when jiu-jitsu's going good, like of like, just, oh, well, I'm not even doing anything, you know, I don't know how to do that.

01:08:44.000 I think that's a constant battle as well.

01:08:48.000 I mean, I have, I have conflicts with the way Christmas now from when I was raised, you know, I was raised as a Catholic and much as you celebrate Christmas the same way as a Christian does, you know, there's no, really, no differences.

01:09:02.000 But as I got older, I had a harder time at Christmas.

01:09:08.000 And I still do because I truly believe like the worldly ways of the way we celebrate Christmas is not the way that Jesus would have wanted us to celebrate it.

01:09:18.000 I would think if Jesus came back to earth right now and saw the way that we do things surrounding the birth of him, I don't think he would agree with it with all the consumerism, with all of the, it's like all these normal excuses that we do for any other holiday to make money and to sort of, you know, I guess just to take advantage of like, oh, this is what we are celebrating, but let's make, let's start making money around this and marketing it in such a way.

01:09:48.000 And I do have, I have conflicts with that.

01:09:50.000 But I also know, you know, it's a part of just the way that we've developed Christmas and the way that this country, or not just this country, but I think worldly does it.

01:10:00.000 You know, it's, you know, oh, we have to go buy presents and we have to do this.

01:10:03.000 It's almost like this manufactured happiness, like joy.

01:10:07.000 You're supposed to be like, oh, this is the time of Christmas.

01:10:10.000 You're supposed to feel joyous.

01:10:11.000 You're supposed to feel this.

01:10:13.000 And so when it's shoved down your throat like that, I have, I don't, internally, I have a conflict with it because I'm like, well, then why aren't we treating every other month like this then?

01:10:25.000 You know what I mean?

01:10:26.000 Why is it specifically on his birthday?

01:10:29.000 Right.

01:10:30.000 And, but at the, that's something that I have to constantly deal with.

01:10:34.000 And I have to go to him during this season to be like, give me peace about the way things are going, the way that we do things here.

01:10:42.000 Because at the end of the day, I don't want to be a Grinch either and be like, oh, like, I don't like the way this is done because I'm not perfect either.

01:10:49.000 So, you know, I don't know if that I was sort of trying to relate to what you just said a little bit.

01:10:57.000 Do y'all have any traditions?

01:10:59.000 Have you done any traditions?

01:11:00.000 You just wake up, do presents.

01:11:02.000 The traditions have, you know, obviously with the kids getting older, the traditions sort of change over the years.

01:11:06.000 I mean, traditionally, when I grew up, yeah, you wake up in the morning, presents are under the trees, Santa Claus came or whatever, you know, and milk and half of you.

01:11:15.000 Yeah, you leave out the milk and cookies the night before.

01:11:17.000 But then as you get older, when you become this, when you become Santa Claus, obviously you want to try and keep those traditions alive.

01:11:24.000 But, you know, depending on who you marry, they might have a different tradition as well.

01:11:29.000 So you learn to sort of just cohabitate and like blend those traditions.

01:11:34.000 So everybody gets, you know, does it their way, has a little piece of what they grew up with.

01:11:40.000 But then that pours out into your children.

01:11:42.000 I'm sure when my children are older, they're going to take some of what we did, but then also some of what their spouse or somebody else did and mix it as well.

01:11:50.000 But at the end of the day, the one thing that we, that doesn't change is we recognize that it is the birth of Jesus Christ and that that is a reason that we are all together and celebrating.

01:11:59.000 And then we go to Christmas Mass that night, you know, at midnight or in the morning, if that's the way you do it.

01:12:07.000 But that is, that is the purpose of why you're together as a family.

01:12:12.000 What's the British equivalent to milk and cookies?

01:12:15.000 Because there's no way it's just milk and cookies. 1.00

01:12:17.000 It's going to be some stupid. 1.00

01:12:19.000 It's going to be like tea, figs. 1.00

01:12:24.000 Well, of course, one must unlock the figgy pudding and peel the parsnip.

01:12:29.000 The crossing.

01:12:30.000 Every year I eat.

01:12:32.000 We take a piece of coal.

01:12:33.000 Well, actually, our family, it's like milk and biscuits and a bitten into carrot.

01:12:38.000 Like, don't tell your sisters this.

01:12:39.000 I'm figuring we can get a couple more years out of them.

01:12:41.000 I don't know how you do in your family with the stack of that.

01:12:43.000 They're losing it like each one.

01:12:46.000 I think Josiah was the last one.

01:12:48.000 And I felt like he was heartbroken.

01:12:50.000 Even the whole elf on the shelf thing.

01:12:52.000 He's like, wait a minute, you do that.

01:12:54.000 Yeah.

01:12:54.000 And then he could see it and I hated it that all of a sudden it was like, ah, the, you know, it's out of, but it's about Jesus.

01:13:01.000 Oh, man.

01:13:02.000 What about your one?

01:13:05.000 So we do household with the with the traditions and with their children's imaginative compliance.

01:13:12.000 So when I grew up, my family said, no, we're going to be honest with them from the get-go.

01:13:18.000 So when I was like three years old, from what I can remember, they're like, there's no Santa Claus.

01:13:23.000 It's all made up.

01:13:24.000 We don't want you to think we're liars.

01:13:27.000 And you're adopted, which is like, not only is there no Christmas, we're not your parents.

01:13:34.000 I want to tell you right now.

01:13:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:13:36.000 And we're going to shoot you. 1.00

01:13:37.000 You're going to want them. 1.00

01:13:39.000 Turn this into a Hallmark movie.

01:13:41.000 Jeez.

01:13:42.000 Trauma from the get-go.

01:13:44.000 I had a guy that was like in the church that was making this big argument that you need to go.

01:13:50.000 Like it was a whole thing.

01:13:51.000 He spoke on it and he was like, you need to go and tell your kids right now there's no Santa Claus.

01:13:56.000 And I just, my argument back to him was, I don't know any churches of Santa that are out there.

01:14:01.000 Like I don't know any adults that are still just like, that's how I put my trust and faith in.

01:14:08.000 And then he was kind of like, okay, this is naturally drops off.

01:14:12.000 Yeah, it drops off at some point.

01:14:14.000 And I just, I hate that.

01:14:15.000 I could see the sadness in his eyes.

01:14:17.000 Like, you do it?

01:14:19.000 What do you mean?

01:14:20.000 We put some good production in over at the Brand Household.

01:14:23.000 We've been like, we leave a letter from him.

01:14:26.000 And what I started when I was too young to appreciate actually was that he uses the bathroom in the house like Santa does.

01:14:34.000 And he leaves a note describing why he's got such a terrible bowel condition.

01:14:38.000 He leaves a yule-type log.

01:14:40.000 He's like, I put food colouring in a toilet. 0.99

01:14:42.000 Now, you have to be careful because red's not good because that looks like Santa's ass is saluting it. 0.99

01:14:47.000 Santa's menstruating. 1.00

01:14:49.000 Santa has cancer. 0.83

01:14:51.000 Yeah.

01:14:52.000 Merry Christmas.

01:14:53.000 He's not coming next year.

01:14:54.000 Yeah.

01:14:55.000 Sadly.

01:14:55.000 Now I put food dye and scribble icing around it and like then put like sort of different unidentifiable candies.

01:15:01.000 And then I leave a note where he calls it things that I consider to be good.

01:15:04.000 I've got the scribbling Pip Squeaks, the stark Carmichaels. 0.78

01:15:09.000 He describes his bowel diseases.

01:15:11.000 I'm so sorry.

01:15:12.000 I panicked.

01:15:13.000 Shoot, that's actually.

01:15:14.000 Wait, wait, are you serious?

01:15:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:17.000 In the toilet, you put candies in the toilet.

01:15:20.000 Oh, my God.

01:15:22.000 Skittles and MLs in there.

01:15:24.000 I love that tradition.

01:15:25.000 I think everyone should take on.

01:15:27.000 We're going to take on.

01:15:28.000 Where did you get this from?

01:15:29.000 I just couldn't think of like, well, we started pre-normally footprints, the flower footprints now near the half, and like, oh, Santa's been in here.

01:15:37.000 And I thought, how do you make Santa being here in your house more interesting? 0.99

01:15:41.000 And immediately, without delay, he's shitting in the toilet and he's doing sort of festive Santa crap. 0.99

01:15:46.000 And they get excited to see it. 0.99

01:15:48.000 Like, let's see what's it that's Santa's adult.

01:15:52.000 Do they go check Cassini Poop?

01:15:54.000 It's only really been two years.

01:15:55.000 My children are seven and nine.

01:15:56.000 So I reckon I've been doing it.

01:15:57.000 Like Peggy's been online in Imagination Land for maybe sort of three years.

01:16:02.000 So I reckon I've done three or four years in current memory.

01:16:06.000 You know, so and I'm they do go and check and they they like it.

01:16:10.000 I hope they never see this or experience it or not.

01:16:12.000 I don't think they watch you.

01:16:13.000 No, they don't.

01:16:14.000 I've tried to this year you should uh this year you should leave like a mess just on the carpet and be like, dude, Santa didn't even take time to go use the toilet.

01:16:21.000 He's gonna even need it.

01:16:23.000 And it's cool cocoa.

01:16:24.000 I think that should be there.

01:16:26.000 Why has he done that?

01:16:27.000 There's a big market for Christmas books and we could sell like Santa turds.

01:16:32.000 Yeah.

01:16:33.000 Try our new reborn turds.

01:16:37.000 Santa's stools.

01:16:38.000 You just drop a few of these methylene blues.

01:16:40.000 It's the perfect color for Santa stools.

01:16:42.000 Green, has he got a urethra infection? 0.99

01:16:45.000 Red, arse menstruation. 1.00

01:16:46.000 No one needs that from Santa. 0.99

01:16:48.000 Blue, yellow, that's just urine. 0.76

01:16:50.000 Blue, that's the color it has to be.

01:16:52.000 So take your methylene blues and then your urine actually will be blue. 0.65

01:16:56.000 And it's Smurf P. 1.00

01:16:58.000 Yeah.

01:16:58.000 That's amazing.

01:17:00.000 Our work is done here.

01:17:01.000 Poshnips. 1.00

01:17:03.000 Poshnips. 1.00

01:17:04.000 And that's got to be some kind of weird.

01:17:06.000 I can't believe you have that as your tradition.

01:17:08.000 I think that's hilarious.

01:17:10.000 I can believe it.

01:17:11.000 Oh, I think it's so funny.

01:17:13.000 Jake's really adjusted to my strangeness very quick.

01:17:16.000 I love it.

01:17:17.000 I still have the literature.

01:17:21.000 I carry like when we went to DC.

01:17:23.000 There's a new product coming out.

01:17:25.000 I haven't told Eddie this.

01:17:27.000 I have this.

01:17:28.000 It's just a camping bottle that you can pee in, right?

01:17:31.000 And I just refuse anymore to get up in the night for a pee.

01:17:34.000 I could be doing two peas at night.

01:17:35.000 I refuse to.

01:17:35.000 I hear you.

01:17:36.000 Yeah.

01:17:37.000 Green Mistress. 0.91

01:17:38.000 The Green Mistress is like khaki green camping equipment.

01:17:40.000 You unscrew, you pee in there, you do the lid shut.

01:17:42.000 Every day you bleach it and you rinse it out.

01:17:44.000 I will say that.

01:17:45.000 Do check the small print.

01:17:46.000 Anyway, when we were on vacation, what do I mean?

01:17:50.000 Yeah, how it got found out is the best part of the story.

01:17:54.000 We're in DC staying at a place called Simba, which is this sort of important place where Christian, like where to encourage Christian ministry among the political community, the members of Cedars invite like leaders and minister to them, right?

01:18:07.000 And they, so we went there and stayed there.

01:18:09.000 There you go, Hoops.

01:18:10.000 I know he's flipping ga gambling cogs like he's a stripper.

01:18:15.000 He's gone for it.

01:18:16.000 Yeah, it works.

01:18:18.000 Keep that on Shepherd's top he's wearing.

01:18:20.000 Actually, it's one of your kids tops he's wearing.

01:18:22.000 Yeah, you love Shepherd, um anyway.

01:18:25.000 So like when uh, Dave and Jake came in my much nicer room that I was staying in in Cedars I had like a whole suite of stuff they found the green mistress on my bed, like what, what is this?

01:18:36.000 And I said oh, you know, when I pee in the night I don't want to get, so I travel with this thing and I use it out.

01:18:41.000 Can you tell how you came up to that conclusion?

01:18:43.000 Like, all right, one time I found my friend's house, who's a double, not a double amputee, he's an amputee, my mate Will.

01:18:48.000 And like when I used the bathroom at his house, I went for his room and I saw he had one of them, but he had those ones like you get in a hospital that's made out of the same box of egg, same materials, egg crates, you know.

01:18:57.000 Yeah, like those papier maches looking stuff, and I thought that's a good idea, that man, i'm gonna get me one of those things.

01:19:03.000 I asked my wife I go, can I get one of them.

01:19:05.000 There was some debate as whether it was morally wrong because he is an amputee.

01:19:13.000 when they found out i told dave you know well my mate will he had one he went he don't have any legs We use pea bottles all the time on deployment.

01:19:22.000 Yeah right, special ops, I knew him.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, we'll have boxes of just bottles full of piss by the end of the week in your room and then you just go empty that out and then start over again, because usually we don't have like indoor plumbing most of the time.

01:19:36.000 So if you use a the portajohns which are but that makes sense, right? 0.95

01:19:40.000 Yeah, when you're on a mission or you're in the woods or no, it's not even when we're on the mission, it's when we're back on the fob in our own rooms.

01:19:46.000 The thing is we have portajohns that are, you know, maybe a quarter mile away, and it's like i'm not gonna walk all the way over there.

01:19:53.000 That also makes sense when you're at a nice place in a suite and then you have one in your bed so you don't have to get up.

01:20:00.000 It's a different story.

01:20:00.000 That's level.

01:20:01.000 You want to wrap it up?

01:20:02.000 That's leveling up.

01:20:03.000 I hope that people at Cedars don't object to that.

01:20:07.000 I was doing that in their room.

01:20:08.000 I mean, I had to admit to them i'd spilled something kind of chair as well, and it wasn't urine.

01:20:12.000 I should clarify, remember?

01:20:14.000 Yeah, Cedars is like a.

01:20:16.000 It's like a historic home there in Washington Dc, that you're not supposed to talk about secrets.

01:20:22.000 I'm meant to admit to being there.

01:20:23.000 So, like the fight club, I don't know, we weren't there.

01:20:25.000 We weren't there.

01:20:25.000 All right.

01:20:26.000 Well, thank you very much for joining us for this christmas edition of stay free.

01:20:29.000 And thank you, Eddie Gallagher, as always.

01:20:31.000 Thank you Russell, as always, beloved Dave.

01:20:34.000 Thanks mate, you bet buddy.

01:20:36.000 Thank you.

01:20:36.000 Yeah, you know what the hell were you thinking.

01:20:38.000 Thank you Jake, the man.

01:20:41.000 Beloved Jake, I don't feel comfortable in this raised chair.

01:20:46.000 I feel uncomfortable in it.

01:20:48.000 Yeah yeah, I feel like i'd rather, I reckon I would have been funnier over here.

01:20:53.000 Yeah, you feel like you're in the center.

01:20:55.000 I think if you would have been in that chair, you would have said, how do I get in that raised chair?

01:21:03.000 But I always feel like Dave should be in charge of this sort of thing, driving, you know?

01:21:08.000 Well, I can drive behind the scenes.

01:21:10.000 I don't have to be up front.

01:21:11.000 He's been driving behind the scenes.

01:21:13.000 Thank you, Jake.

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