Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Undeniable Evidence for Christ… — SF715

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00:00:16.000 I can't take any more today because as you can see and hear, I'm on the very precipice.

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00:00:52.000 But in any way, in any event, it feels sometimes like a terrible, terrible descent.

00:00:57.000 And that's why I'm particularly grateful and encouraged to be introducing my guest.

00:01:01.000 And let me make sure I say his name correctly because I've already been chided and chastised twice.

00:01:06.000 Dr. But don't call him Dr. Jeremiah.

00:01:09.000 J. Johnston, whose new book, The Jesus Discoveries, is out now.

00:01:14.000 And I'm reading it, and you'll be able to tell that from the questions that I'm asking Jeremiah or JJ, as he has insisted on being called Jeremiah Johnston.

00:01:22.000 Thank you so much for joining us today.

00:01:25.000 Russell, I love you, brother, my brother in Christ.

00:01:27.000 And all I can think about is April 28, 2024, your baptism in the Thames.

00:01:34.000 And my wife, Audrey, and I praying for you in that moment.

00:01:38.000 What a rebirth.

00:01:39.000 So it's surreal for me to be talking to you now because that was such an inspirational moment.

00:01:45.000 Thanks.

00:01:45.000 And thanks for being so encouraging because as a result of some of the press that I've done for this book, of which I am most proud, I've had people question my Christianity and its, I suppose, veracity, its authenticity.

00:02:01.000 And I suppose, though, in a way, I've always been questioned whether it's, you know, oh, you're not really a West Ham United fan or you're.

00:02:10.000 Not a natural blonde, or I've had all sorts of accusations thrown at me, gosh, and some of them pretty serious, as a matter of fact.

00:02:19.000 But it was, I didn't like it.

00:02:21.000 I didn't like people saying you're not a real Christian. 0.60

00:02:24.000 So I'm very encouraged by you saying that to me just then, Jeremiah.

00:02:30.000 Although, actually, one of my friends said, What does that even mean, not a real Christian?

00:02:34.000 What does that mean, the term Christian?

00:02:37.000 Like, it's, yeah, so thanks for your encouragement.

00:02:41.000 But tell me, how are you?

00:02:43.000 But Russell, you're in great company, though.

00:02:45.000 Remember, they hated Paul.

00:02:47.000 They hated the Apostle Paul.

00:02:48.000 They didn't think that he was a real Christian because he had so much adversity.

00:02:53.000 They literally hated him.

00:02:55.000 And so you're in phenomenal company.

00:02:57.000 Read 2 Corinthians.

00:02:58.000 Remember, the Apostle Paul, St. Paul, he's called the Job of the New Testament for a reason.

00:03:03.000 And that's why he said, I bear on my body the marks of Jesus Christ.

00:03:06.000 And they were constantly questioning his conversion because they hated him so much.

00:03:11.000 So keep staying strong, post and ghost, and keep living your life for Christ, brother.

00:03:18.000 Thank you.

00:03:19.000 So, post and ghost.

00:03:20.000 What do you mean?

00:03:20.000 You just put stuff out there and then you depart.

00:03:24.000 Yeah, you depart.

00:03:25.000 You let the Holy Spirit deal with them.

00:03:28.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:03:29.000 Thank you very much.

00:03:30.000 Now, like one of the things that this is, I guess, at the forefront of my inquiry when it comes to your work is because when you accept Christ, you're taking on board so much that there is an author and authority in this world that He incarnated, He came here.

00:03:52.000 He performed miracles, that good and evil are real, that he encountered the devil.

00:03:58.000 So much is being taken.

00:03:59.000 The angels, demons, there's so much sort of packed into it.

00:04:03.000 I find myself often, often actually, like I think the last time was last night, I was reading C.S. Lewis' Miracles as I was sort of falling asleep.

00:04:12.000 And something hit me again of like, oh man, I'm not sure I can believe in this.

00:04:16.000 I'm not sure I can believe in this.

00:04:17.000 Like I feel doubt.

00:04:20.000 I do feel doubt.

00:04:22.000 So, and yet though, with your work where you're dealing with, you know, artifacts, I'm talking about your Jesus discoveries, and I've read the first.

00:04:32.000 Bit about the Shroud of Turin.

00:04:33.000 I'm reading the second thing about that cup, you know.

00:04:36.000 Yes, it's a Jesus cup.

00:04:38.000 Yeah, I'm really enjoying it.

00:04:39.000 I'm really enjoying it.

00:04:41.000 But what do you think is the value of trying to substantiate and authenticate the historical Christ?

00:04:50.000 Because sooner or later, you're going to hit the point where only faith, but that's true in neurology, that's true in quantum physics, that's true in biology.

00:05:00.000 Every discipline, even materialist ones, in the end, you've Buttress up against this point of the inconceivable, the unknowable.

00:05:09.000 In the end, faith intervenes.

00:05:11.000 So, what is it that this phase of your work is driving it, and what is the value of historical authentication, full stop, really, when it comes to Jesus?

00:05:21.000 You know, I've interviewed with the best of the best, and why is it that you ask me the best questions I've ever been asked?

00:05:28.000 So, thank you for asking such a great thinker's question.

00:05:31.000 You're not alone when you ask about.

00:05:34.000 Like last night, you find yourself reading miracles.

00:05:37.000 And do I really believe this?

00:05:39.000 And Russell, what I'm talking to you this whole time, John the Baptist had the same experience. 0.96

00:05:44.000 He's in Machiris.

00:05:46.000 Have you been to Israel, by the way, Russell?

00:05:47.000 Have you ever been to the land of Israel?

00:05:49.000 No, I really want to go, but it's so sort of politically intense.

00:05:53.000 Oh, I know.

00:05:53.000 Well, I'll take you because he's in a dungeon called Machiris where he will give his head.

00:05:59.000 Herod Antipas will kill him.

00:06:02.000 And he's having doubts, Russell, maybe like you did last night. 0.70

00:06:06.000 And he's saying, Did I get it right?

00:06:08.000 Remember, John the Baptist quotes Isaiah 40 and he says, The Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world.

00:06:13.000 I think I'm quoting the King James.

00:06:16.000 But he's literally getting ready to give his head for his faith.

00:06:19.000 And he's wondering, Did I get it right?

00:06:22.000 And so Luke 7 22, I've got my Bible right here.

00:06:25.000 I hope you have your scriptures with you.

00:06:27.000 Luke 7 22 goes right to Jesus.

00:06:31.000 And here's what Jesus does for you in that moment you had wrestled in your bajillions of followers.

00:06:36.000 We all have those moments.

00:06:37.000 Can God really heal?

00:06:38.000 Does he really mean what he says?

00:06:40.000 Look at Luke 7 22.

00:06:42.000 Jesus does not respond by shaming John the Baptist.

00:06:47.000 He sharpens him.

00:06:48.000 He says, Tell John, the deaf hear. 0.99

00:06:53.000 I'm going to try not to cry. 1.00

00:06:55.000 The lame walk. 0.90

00:06:58.000 The blind see.

00:07:00.000 And he says, The dead, and let me say it to you in the Greek, are nekrosigairo, the dead stand up. 0.58

00:07:07.000 And so he responds to John the Baptist in his moment of greatest uncertainty.

00:07:12.000 He doesn't respond with feeling wrestle.

00:07:15.000 He responds with truth and he responds with evidence.

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00:08:47.000 Yeah, but I've got to go.

00:08:49.000 I need more.

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00:08:51.000 I'm an addict.

00:08:52.000 I always need more.

00:08:53.000 Like, see, in that moment there, I like that because I've seen it when it was dramatized in Chosen.

00:09:02.000 The way that they used it dramatically is as if it was functioning, and it seems like that you're approaching it in the same way, is it functioned as a kind of verification, like a code, like it was a password. 0.51

00:09:13.000 It's like John the Baptist, like I fucking need, excuse my language, I need verification here.

00:09:17.000 But like at that point, but at that point, right, has our like, you know, I just mean chronologically, and how much would we lean into that? 0.92

00:09:26.000 We've not had Lazarus yet.

00:09:29.000 Do you so is he talking about when he says the dead are raised and uh.

00:09:34.000 You know, the lame walk, etc.

00:09:36.000 Like, how, what is our Lord saying there?

00:09:39.000 Is he saying, oh, he raised his widow's son, right?

00:09:42.000 In this one, yeah, he went to large towns, he approached.

00:09:45.000 So, yeah, that's what, like, these are the signs, these are the indicators, these are the hallmarks and the signatures that the Messiah has come.

00:09:54.000 So, that's such a great question.

00:09:55.000 This is why the Old Testament interprets the New Testament.

00:09:58.000 And when I do my tours across the country and hopefully the UK, I actually have the great Isaiah scroll.

00:10:04.000 Remember, John the Baptist is quoting Isaiah 40 when he says, This is the Messiah.

00:10:11.000 Remember, Jesus gives his programmatic sermon in Luke 4 in his own synagogue, and we can all relate with this.

00:10:18.000 He quotes Isaiah 61, 1 and 2, Russell.

00:10:21.000 And do you remember what his own people wanted to do? 0.97

00:10:23.000 They called him bastard. 1.00

00:10:26.000 They wanted to kill him. 1.00

00:10:28.000 And he said, This is what the Messiah will do.

00:10:30.000 He will set people free, he will heal the lame, he will let literally the dead rise.

00:10:36.000 And so, John knows this in his heart, but again, he's experiencing a horrible experience that we all have.

00:10:44.000 He has no peace.

00:10:46.000 Even though he knows he has pointed out the Messiah, he's getting ready to give his head to Herod Antipas.

00:10:52.000 He was an enemy for speaking up to power like you've done, Russell.

00:10:56.000 You've spoken truth to power.

00:10:58.000 And John the Baptizer is like, I need a reminder.

00:11:01.000 And as soon as Jesus says that, it unlocks for him in his mind Isaiah.

00:11:05.000 Oh, that's right.

00:11:06.000 Isaiah 61.

00:11:07.000 That's right.

00:11:07.000 Oh, yep.

00:11:08.000 Isaiah 40.

00:11:09.000 Isaiah 6.

00:11:09.000 Oh, yes.

00:11:10.000 That's right.

00:11:11.000 Jesus knew what he was doing.

00:11:13.000 And of course, he had already raised with the widow of Nain's son, Luke 7.

00:11:17.000 You could even add Mark 5, Jairus' daughter probably would have been raised at that point.

00:11:22.000 Does that help?

00:11:24.000 Yeah.

00:11:25.000 Yeah, it does help.

00:11:26.000 It does help.

00:11:27.000 And it also, even as when you first embarked on this answer, and I can see this is going to be one of those kind of conversations, you said that you referenced that John the Baptist is in a moment of crisis.

00:11:39.000 You don't see, I think since I stopped wanting to be Jesus, which was when I accepted Jesus was real and that I'm not him, because before that I had the kind of Luciferian self idolatry that, that, like, we are our own God.

00:11:58.000 Yeah, that, and I see now that that's precisely the function of the culture.

00:12:02.000 Indeed, like my church the other day, the pastor did a good sermon on Romans 13, but I say that the, Government almost in its entirety now exists in that margin that is that calls us to disobey.

00:12:21.000 Like that, the government and state are operating as a kind of a false idol, primarily as a false idol.

00:12:28.000 That they want control of your ideology, they want control of your body, they want to control how you think.

00:12:33.000 Yes, consciousness itself, consciousness itself, attention and thought itself.

00:12:38.000 They want control of consciousness and thought itself, and they can do that through via food, via medicine.

00:12:44.000 It all one scarcely dare imagine the nefarious.

00:12:47.000 Nefarious ways that the frequency of neurology could be disrupted and likely already is.

00:12:53.000 Can I share with you something, Russell?

00:12:55.000 What, yes, to your point, do you mind?

00:12:57.000 I don't want to interrupt.

00:12:58.000 No, I don't know if you're aware.

00:12:58.000 Forgive me.

00:13:01.000 I spoke at the World Economic Forum.

00:13:03.000 I'm not sure if you're aware of this.

00:13:05.000 No, I didn't know.

00:13:07.000 So I was there to present the resurrection of Jesus Christ and what I believe is the event horizon of free enterprise.

00:13:14.000 Jillian Tett, you may remember her name from the Financial Times.

00:13:17.000 She's provost of King's College, Cambridge, interviewed me.

00:13:21.000 And I'm working with people who I believe will work with the Antichrist someday, Russell.

00:13:26.000 I say that without flinching or blinking.

00:13:28.000 And do you know what I realized?

00:13:30.000 This is to your point to add fire to it.

00:13:33.000 It's not even the governments in the margins, these global companies now run the world.

00:13:41.000 Not governments, the companies run the world.

00:13:44.000 And I'm there presenting the gospel.

00:13:47.000 And you can look this up on YouTube.

00:13:49.000 I'm not exaggerating.

00:13:50.000 And I'm reminding them have you heard of this term of Forgiving debts, loving your enemies, praying for those who persecute you.

00:13:58.000 That comes from one event horizon and one alone.

00:14:02.000 It doesn't come from socialism, Marxism, or Socrates.

00:14:06.000 It comes from the physical bodily resurrection of Jesus.

00:14:09.000 And they were looking at me cross eyed, Russell.

00:14:12.000 I've never had more spiritual demonic warfare in all my life than in January this year when I was speaking at Davos.

00:14:19.000 And I've been invited back to speak again.

00:14:22.000 So we'll see how it goes.

00:14:23.000 I need you there with me in January.

00:14:27.000 If I'm a free man in January, I'll come.

00:14:31.000 Please.

00:14:32.000 But do you see what I mean?

00:14:33.000 The governments, not even governments, companies are running the world now.

00:14:37.000 Look, remember, I came to Christ after having lived a long time in, like, my own Saul of Tarsus dedication and devoutness to the law comes from being a member of the priest class of the establishment.

00:14:52.000 The Pharisees these days are not in the Roman Catholic Church or in the Protestant Church or in any denomination.

00:15:00.000 They are the proselytizers of the culture as king.

00:15:05.000 Now, like, I would posit that we're, and so the idea that there's a nexus of power that's extra governmental to me is an idea that I've lived with long before coming to the Lord.

00:15:15.000 My own training and my own preparation has given me deep experience in that dialectic.

00:15:21.000 I've got insight when it comes to Hollywood power and insight when it comes to governmental power, and I understand how media operates because I've been operating inside media for a long, long time.

00:15:33.000 Discourse around power outside of Christianity is that there are sets of global bureaucracies, one of them being the WEF, the WHO, the International Monetary Fund.

00:15:45.000 These bureaucracies pose as neutral, indeed, as a scholar of the world.

00:15:50.000 They fund the greatest evil in the world.

00:15:53.000 You'll be able to help me, though.

00:15:54.000 My point is that the etymology of the word sin, in addition to the Mr. Mark component, has that sort of metastasizing neutrality component.

00:16:05.000 Now, bureaucracy is ex Presenting itself as neutral.

00:16:09.000 I've experienced it.

00:16:10.000 I'm experiencing it a lot.

00:16:12.000 But it is the forum and frame in which the demonic can thrive in a kind of a parasitic way.

00:16:21.000 In a parasitic way.

00:16:22.000 That pose of neutrality that you get from the WHO, WEF, IMF is where that secondary, ulterior, near invisible power is executed through it.

00:16:36.000 So, yes, I'm aware that corporations.

00:16:40.000 And global entities are much more powerful than any national government.

00:16:43.000 Indeed, we are living right now through the kind of collapse of that new priapism, like that sort of excited engorgement of when Trump became president, of like, oh, wow, man, we've got a bull in the china shop.

00:16:57.000 We've got this guy who's willing to stand up.

00:17:00.000 And, you know, and of course, now it seems because of certain geopolitical events that there is a different power that whether you're Kamala Harris or Donald Trump, it doesn't matter who you are.

00:17:10.000 And, like, you know, like I, I think maybe I might even be quoting you back to you that everything is downstream from spiritual warfare.

00:17:19.000 I know that.

00:17:20.000 I know that.

00:17:21.000 But what I want to say to you is John the Baptist, he's the last great prophet before our Lord.

00:17:28.000 St. Paul, the sort of first independent teacher and evangelist.

00:17:32.000 But I'm trying to sort of hold on to these forces the wildness of the prophet in the wilderness, the academic excellence and communicative brilliance of St. Paul.

00:17:44.000 I'm wondering what you think our evangelism is going to look like in 2026, 2027, this wave of apostleship or this wave of prophecy.

00:17:55.000 I wonder what you feel like it's going to look like.

00:17:58.000 And again, what the importance is of being able to historically authenticate Christ.

00:18:03.000 I know I've asked a lot there, but I'll show up for as long as you want.

00:18:07.000 It's the greatest question you could ask because we have here's what I want to say, Russell, to you we have an evidence based faith.

00:18:16.000 No other religion can claim that.

00:18:17.000 Christianity is the only religion in the world that says, test us in this. 0.60

00:18:23.000 If Jesus died by Roman crucifixion on April 3rd, AD 33, and if he rose from the grave April 5th, AD 33, then everything he said is true. 0.51

00:18:34.000 It validates his teaching, it validates the biblical worldview.

00:18:38.000 And if it doesn't, people should feel sorry for us.

00:18:41.000 That's 1 Corinthians 15, 19.

00:18:43.000 But 1 Corinthians 15, 20, Paul says, but he has been risen from the dead.

00:18:48.000 And so, what does the evangelical framework look like?

00:18:52.000 Russell, all I care about, do you know why I'm doing all this?

00:18:54.000 Like, this book last week went number one on the New York Times bestseller, To God Be the Glory.

00:19:00.000 I don't care about any of that.

00:19:01.000 Can I tell you all I care about?

00:19:03.000 I care about Lily, Justin, Abel, Ryder, and Jackson.

00:19:11.000 Everything I'm doing right now is about making sure my kids have faith in Christ.

00:19:15.000 And do you know what gets their attention?

00:19:18.000 Because they're smart, amazing kids, is when I show them evidences.

00:19:22.000 Like a crucifixion nail, or like these Bethlehem thorns you did a YouTube on or an Instagram about, or when I show them coins that are like, you know, the social media of the first century, they realize that their faith is real, that when dad and mom are gone, they can hold on to something that's real.

00:19:42.000 So, what is going to reach our kids?

00:19:44.000 And yet, that's all I care about.

00:19:45.000 I'll buy museums, which I have, I'll travel the world, I'll speak at WEF.

00:19:49.000 All of it is a mirage for me to pass on faith to my five kids.

00:19:54.000 And that's all I care about.

00:19:55.000 We have to reach the next generation.

00:19:57.000 And we've got to do it in nine second increments.

00:20:00.000 And this is why your show has never been more important, Russell.

00:20:03.000 You've got to stay strong and bold for Christ.

00:20:06.000 You've got to post and ghost.

00:20:07.000 You've got to ignore these antichrists who come after you because God has blessed you with a voice that is reaching the next generation.

00:20:15.000 My son last night was blown away.

00:20:17.000 He said, Dad, can I pray for you to go on wrestle?

00:20:19.000 My son Justin thought I was cool that I was going to be talking to you.

00:20:23.000 He's 14.

00:20:24.000 So you have a voice with this next generation.

00:20:27.000 Don't take it for granted.

00:20:28.000 But here's what I would just say, okay? 0.99

00:20:31.000 I'm tired of the touchy feely Christianity.

00:20:34.000 Again, there's a place for feelings, but my feelings wrestle, they betray me all the time. 1.00

00:20:39.000 There are many days I wake up.

00:20:41.000 Do I feel forgiven of all my sins?

00:20:43.000 Absolutely not.

00:20:44.000 But guess what?

00:20:45.000 Faith is not what I feel, faith is what I believe.

00:20:48.000 And faith is not certainty, faith is trusting God through the uncertainty.

00:20:53.000 And that's when I wrap myself in truth and evidence.

00:20:56.000 So we have a faith.

00:20:58.000 We have an evidence based faith.

00:21:01.000 And here's where I appreciate you having me on.

00:21:03.000 We are living in the golden age of Christianity, Russell.

00:21:06.000 I mean, just what I have on the table, I don't know if we'll get to it or not, proves the resurrection of Jesus Christ scientifically. 0.54

00:21:14.000 Okay? 1.00

00:21:15.000 But beyond that, we have the dumbest Christians of all time, the most biblically illiterate. 1.00

00:21:21.000 They go to Google or ChatGTP instead of God's word, and we have to change that, Russell. 1.00

00:21:26.000 And guess who's going to change it?

00:21:27.000 Guys like you, not pastors.

00:21:29.000 I've given up on pastors.

00:21:31.000 They no longer preach the truth. 0.70

00:21:32.000 They're weak. 0.86

00:21:34.000 I've given up on Bible scholars a long time ago. 0.98

00:21:36.000 It's going to be voices like yours that bring revival.

00:21:40.000 Talk me, thank you.

00:21:41.000 Talk me through, I receive it.

00:21:42.000 Talk me through them artifacts then, please.

00:21:46.000 Well, I prayed for you, Russell, because you told me I was perving on the resurrection.

00:21:51.000 I don't know if you remember that.

00:21:56.000 Do you remember?

00:21:57.000 Yeah, I do.

00:21:58.000 But this is not just you.

00:22:00.000 This is like my mate.

00:22:02.000 Joe, right, who's one of the two men that stood either side of me baptizing me.

00:22:06.000 It all came from you, Russell.

00:22:08.000 A lot of, let me tell you, a lot of my, like, let's call them hard Christians, like military men that have done jail.

00:22:17.000 I noticed this thing, they go, like, they do this.

00:22:20.000 I'm going to do an impression of it now.

00:22:22.000 They go, do you realize that when, like, this Joe does this all day long, my mate, and he's my most beloved brother, huh?

00:22:28.000 He goes, right, you know, like, that thing they whipped him with, and he'll tell you all the details, and he'll really get into it.

00:22:34.000 Now, like, I can't.

00:22:36.000 I sort of, on one level, I don't like hearing about the passion in gory DL.

00:22:43.000 And I sort of wonder what it is that people are getting off on and into when talking about that.

00:22:50.000 Like, maybe I need it.

00:22:52.000 Maybe I'm resisting it.

00:22:53.000 But I feel like there's a sort of a machismo in it, a kind of machismo.

00:22:57.000 Like, for me, like my experience of Christ was so.

00:23:00.000 I'm an intellectual person, huh?

00:23:02.000 But my experience, when he came to me in my guts, it was not intellectual.

00:23:08.000 It was a We like you know, your point about feeling, and believe me, I feel a lot of doubt, I feel a lot of attack, I feel a lot of fear. 0.63

00:23:14.000 But when he came, it was very, it was not like, hang on a minute, Jesus must be real because of XYZ.

00:23:21.000 It was like all of a sudden, I didn't, I hadn't even got no new information. 0.80

00:23:25.000 It's just suddenly in my guts, it's like, oh God, he's real.

00:23:29.000 It was just that.

00:23:30.000 It was a feeling of a cross in the belly.

00:23:33.000 It was a cross in the belly, right?

00:23:35.000 And then from that, it was like.

00:23:36.000 Is that why the cover of your book looks like that?

00:23:38.000 Yeah.

00:23:38.000 I'm just wondering.

00:23:39.000 It was like iron magnetic filings.

00:23:41.000 It was my, this is fly.

00:23:43.000 I love that.

00:23:43.000 Because of the C.S. Lewis.

00:23:45.000 Thanks, man.

00:23:46.000 Like, because of the C.S. Lewis.

00:23:47.000 Quote I changed it to flies, and I thought it was cool.

00:23:49.000 Then I heard about Beyond the Laws of the Flies, but really, it was like the feeling was iron filings in the gut.

00:23:56.000 And then I just started.

00:23:57.000 So that's an image of your redemption, that cover.

00:24:00.000 Yeah, it is.

00:24:03.000 It is.

00:24:04.000 It's the image of my redemption.

00:24:05.000 But then after that, I suppose in my own way, Jeremiah, I did then start reading scripture.

00:24:12.000 Now, the first thing that really hit me after that was Acts in the message, Eugene Peterson's.

00:24:17.000 I was reading Acts on my way to go see Tucker actually for the First interview I did after all the allegations and stuff, and I was reading Acts, and there was something about them, you know, just men, you know, I'm like, oh man, this happened.

00:24:30.000 And I'm reading Acts again right now at the moment, and I'm getting the same feeling of their kind of craziness, their passion, their brokenness, like that, like, you know, they're wielding this unbelievable power all of a sudden, like all of a sudden, there's something very familiar and real about it.

00:24:49.000 Personal experience, I did go about authenticating it.

00:24:54.000 So, but the thing I did, you know, the video is because perving on the resurrection is because it's so corporal, I suppose, because it's so corporal, because it is so much about the flesh and the punishment and the masochism and the sadism of the brutality.

00:25:09.000 Like, you know, so yeah, but, you know, I hope I didn't offend you.

00:25:12.000 I can see I didn't because you're on here and you're cool about it, but you can tell me more.

00:25:17.000 I immediately prayed for you because I know your heart.

00:25:19.000 And then, secondly, I messaged you according to Matthew 18 and said, I hope we can talk someday.

00:25:24.000 Can I just push back a little bit?

00:25:26.000 Can I have your permission to do that on your platform?

00:25:29.000 And here's what I can't get over.

00:25:32.000 Okay, I want to read a passage to you.

00:25:34.000 I've got my Bible here.

00:25:36.000 1 Corinthians 2, verse 2.

00:25:42.000 For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.

00:25:48.000 Now, you know, Paul wrote that.

00:25:50.000 And Russell, what I want to share with you is Paul mentions the crucifixion 66 times.

00:25:58.000 He gives us 32,000 words of the Greek New Testament.

00:26:01.000 There's only 138,000 words in the Greek New Testament.

00:26:04.000 Only Luke gives us more with his Luke Acts.

00:26:06.000 So he's the second most prolific writer of the New Testament, and he cannot get over what Jesus did for him.

00:26:15.000 And Russell, can I just share why I've accumulated these, which I'd love to talk about if we have time, these artifacts?

00:26:23.000 There are many times that I wonder if God really loves me.

00:26:29.000 I have the degrees, which I don't want to talk about.

00:26:32.000 I've lived in Oxford three years.

00:26:34.000 All of that's one thing.

00:26:36.000 But I wake up sometimes and I wonder, does God really love me?

00:26:40.000 And Romans 5 8 takes my breath away.

00:26:43.000 Can you turn there with me to Romans 5 8?

00:26:45.000 Do you mind?

00:26:45.000 I want to encourage our audience to do this.

00:26:48.000 Go to the book of Romans, chapter 5, verse 8.

00:26:52.000 Because I saw something I've never seen before.

00:26:55.000 And this is how the Holy Spirit guides us into truth.

00:26:57.000 And isn't this awesome?

00:26:58.000 We're doing Bible study together, Russell.

00:27:00.000 I love it.

00:27:01.000 Romans 5 8.

00:27:03.000 Now, again, I read it in the Greek, but I'm going to read it in English.

00:27:08.000 It says, but God demonstrates his own love towards us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

00:27:21.000 And Russell, that verse, I don't want to geek out for a minute, but it's the one of only two verses in the entire New Testament, which is in the continuous.

00:27:30.000 You're a Hollywood star.

00:27:33.000 God is saying through Paul in the book of Romans, this is a movie that is on a loop that never ends.

00:27:40.000 God is constantly.

00:27:46.000 God is constantly showing us how much He loves us when we look at the cross.

00:27:50.000 When you think, I've sinned for the 7,000th time, I've screwed up again.

00:27:55.000 What does God want you to do, Russell?

00:27:57.000 He wants you to look at this and He wants you to say, But God demonstrated His love and that when you were at His worst, He sent His best for you.

00:28:07.000 It should have been my head, Russell, in this.

00:28:10.000 Yes, as you said in your Instagram about me, these are Bethlehem thorns, they're three inches long.

00:28:16.000 They hurt.

00:28:17.000 And you know what?

00:28:18.000 Remember thorns and thistles, Genesis 3.

00:28:22.000 Remember all of the idiomatic language that's used now that you've read the scripture.

00:28:27.000 And yes, in Genesis it says he will stomp the serpent with his heel.

00:28:31.000 And yet it should have been your head and my head in this crown of thorns.

00:28:35.000 But Jesus said, No, Jeremiah, no, Russell.

00:28:38.000 I'm sending my best for you.

00:28:40.000 Russell, I have four sons.

00:28:42.000 I wouldn't give them for anyone.

00:28:44.000 And yet God gave them for me.

00:28:46.000 And so.

00:28:47.000 Am I perving on the resurrection?

00:28:49.000 No, not necessarily.

00:28:51.000 What I can't get over is God's love for me.

00:28:53.000 I cannot understand it.

00:28:56.000 It is an undying love, and that is the word grace.

00:28:59.000 And I'm sure you have a CPA like I do.

00:29:02.000 It doesn't make sense, and that's how you know it's too good to be true.

00:29:06.000 That's why I'm trying to explain.

00:29:08.000 I feel like I have dice in my hand.

00:29:10.000 Can you see these, Russell?

00:29:12.000 Can you see these on the camera?

00:29:14.000 These are first century Roman dice.

00:29:17.000 Now, I'm not saying they were the ones used at the crucifixion, but here's where I want to caution you as a pastor and as a brother in Christ.

00:29:23.000 And I caution myself, by the way, as well.

00:29:26.000 We can get so desensitized to what Jesus did for us.

00:29:30.000 You've heard the gospel a thousand times.

00:29:33.000 These are dice.

00:29:35.000 I'm sitting here, I'm doing it just like you would.

00:29:39.000 And remember, all four gospels record that the Romans who crucified Jesus were gambling.

00:29:46.000 Remember this?

00:29:47.000 You've read the gospels, they were gambling for his clothes.

00:29:50.000 The author of life is dying before them for their sins, and all they can focus on is gambling.

00:29:56.000 And so, may it never be said of me that I was desensitized to the cross.

00:30:03.000 And that's why I can't get over how much God loves me.

00:30:06.000 And if people make fun of me for it, so be it.

00:30:10.000 I want to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified.

00:30:13.000 Ephesians 1 and 2 tell us, Russell, we are all going to go into graduate school in heaven someday.

00:30:20.000 To really understand what it took to redeem us.

00:30:23.000 And that should encourage all of us.

00:30:24.000 Does that help a little bit of why I show these things?

00:30:30.000 I'm not trying to elicit an emotional response.

00:30:33.000 I'm trying to bring the reality of had you been there that day, you would never doubt how much God loves you.

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00:32:20.000 What I'm trying to reconcile and be truthful about is one of the things that I find most hard is to accept the love.

00:32:30.000 I find that hard.

00:32:31.000 I find it hard.

00:32:32.000 I find, in fact, that I almost need a reverse inoculation.

00:32:40.000 Like a reverse weaning, like the same way that, you know, like milk instead of food type stuff.

00:32:46.000 Because I find the acceptance of love, I'm afraid to get overwhelmed.

00:32:54.000 I'm afraid to get overwhelmed by love.

00:32:56.000 There's something unfamiliar about it that I find very, very difficult.

00:33:00.000 Also, from a more, for that's emotional and one might say psychological using sort of a modern analytic.

00:33:07.000 But also from an intellectual perspective, I feel that if we're like that, I don't want to use materialism, individualism, and sort of post enlightenment rationalism in order to access what is the mysterium tremendum.

00:33:27.000 You know, that's something that is not actually can't be contained in human consciousness, like by definition.

00:33:34.000 Words fail.

00:33:36.000 Words fail.

00:33:36.000 One of the things I get from Mark, hey, is that Christ is like the bit where he goes, let's go over to the other side.

00:33:45.000 Like, is that.

00:33:46.000 Jesus is continually saying to those in his orbit, those chosen, that I sometimes think he could have just closed his eyes and pointed to anybody.

00:33:55.000 And, like, you know, how am I going to put this that you're going to understand it?

00:33:59.000 He's grappling with the gap between the mind of God and the mind of man.

00:34:07.000 And however much must be lost between Greek and English, nothing compared, surely, to even though we are his image and we bear his image.

00:34:17.000 Nothing compared to what can't be contained.

00:34:19.000 So that's the other thing.

00:34:21.000 Like, I'm enjoying reading your book.

00:34:24.000 I'm enjoying trying to get my head around what the Shroud of Turin might be.

00:34:29.000 But I also don't like the kind of wishful thinking.

00:34:32.000 Like, aha!

00:34:34.000 Now, finally, we've now got this thing. 0.99

00:34:37.000 Now, shut up and believe.

00:34:39.000 Because it's, you know, I know that it's about faith. 0.90

00:34:41.000 I know that there's never good, like, the one of the things I get from the miracles is, you know, on Monday, you know, water's turned into wine.

00:34:48.000 On Tuesday, he's walking on water.

00:34:50.000 Wednesday is feeding the 5,000, and by Thursday they've gone back fishing.

00:34:55.000 You know, I need a miracle every 15 minutes myself.

00:34:58.000 Me too.

00:34:58.000 So, you know, yeah, so that's part of it.

00:35:01.000 Did you get those two points?

00:35:03.000 Yeah.

00:35:04.000 Again, thank you for just simply being so transparent.

00:35:08.000 Thank you for saying what all of us say.

00:35:11.000 But here's what I want to tell you this is what I had to learn about faith that is so interesting.

00:35:16.000 Faith is not defined by faith.

00:35:20.000 We don't have faith in faith, we have faith in evidence.

00:35:24.000 And I want to make this very clear you're not doing anything wrong when you say, okay, it just clicked, so now I can believe.

00:35:32.000 You're not giving in to any postmodernism there.

00:35:35.000 I want to make this very clear, very, very clear.

00:35:39.000 There would not be a shred, Russell, of the New Testament written.

00:35:43.000 Had they not had, you're reading Acts, remember Acts 1 3?

00:35:47.000 Jesus showed himself to be alive by many convincing proofs.

00:35:53.000 Had those proofs not been so tangible, had Peter not seen Jesus on the Sea of Galilee, which, Russell, I truly hope to take you to Israel, to the very spot where he says, Do you love me?

00:36:06.000 Do you love me?

00:36:07.000 And he said, Lord, you know I love you.

00:36:08.000 And he redeems him.

00:36:10.000 Had not Thomas said, unless I see his, you know what, his scars on his side and his, his, his, literally, I have a six inch crucifixion nail.

00:36:22.000 I'm not saying this is the one used by Jesus, but this was used to crucify criminals of Rome and Judea.

00:36:27.000 It's six inches long.

00:36:28.000 It's bent, Russell, because they would often, they would actually move the nail to maximize torment, but minimize movement in the crucified victim.

00:36:40.000 We have 21 victims of crucifixion under the Roman Empire.

00:36:44.000 Pilate was very, very brutal.

00:36:47.000 And Thomas comes along and he's known now as doubting Thomas, but I love him because he says, Hey, unless I see the nail prints, unless I see the wound in the side, I won't believe.

00:37:01.000 And Jesus does not shame him or say, You don't have enough faith.

00:37:05.000 He says, Bro, check out my side, check out my wrist.

00:37:12.000 And he says in Greek, my Lord and my God.

00:37:19.000 My favorite appearance, though, which I talk about in the Jesus Discoveries in my book, is his appearance to his brother.

00:37:24.000 Do you have any brothers, Russell, by chance?

00:37:27.000 Not birth, but now, yeah.

00:37:30.000 Okay, yes.

00:37:31.000 I mean, like physical brothers, biological brothers.

00:37:34.000 So I have four sons, okay?

00:37:36.000 I adjudicate civil war every day in my home between these four boys, okay?

00:37:43.000 They love and hate each other all at the same time.

00:37:45.000 If you were to ask my sons, Russell, what would it take for you to believe that Justin was the son of God?

00:37:52.000 They would all begin to laugh.

00:37:54.000 And John 7, verse 5 says that not even his brothers believed on him.

00:37:59.000 Mark 3 says his family thought he was out of his mind.

00:38:03.000 Mark 6 says they want to do an intervention on Jesus.

00:38:06.000 He's literally, they think he's gone crazy, they think he's the Messiah.

00:38:11.000 And think about it, Jesus is experiencing this.

00:38:13.000 And St. Paul comes along in 1 Corinthians 15, verse 7, and he says, And he appeared to James.

00:38:20.000 And Russell, James goes from believing his brother was nuts.

00:38:25.000 And I hope we can time travel in heaven someday, Russell.

00:38:28.000 I hope you and I can go back to the moment where James, the brother of Jesus, is working in the stone shop.

00:38:33.000 He's humiliated.

00:38:34.000 Brother Jesus has just been crucified.

00:38:36.000 He's just trying to keep the family business going.

00:38:39.000 And Jesus appears and says, Bro, here I am.

00:38:42.000 Here I am, brother.

00:38:43.000 And James becomes one of the pillars of the church.

00:38:47.000 And we know this from Josephus, evidence now.

00:38:51.000 He dies in AD 62.

00:38:54.000 Stoned to death believing his brother was the resurrected Messiah.

00:38:58.000 That's why I have a whole chapter dedicated to James.

00:39:00.000 We've discovered his ossuary.

00:39:02.000 His bone box is right there.

00:39:04.000 It was discovered in 2002.

00:39:06.000 And in that bone box, unlike any other ossuary, and you're talking to someone who's seen more bone boxes than anyone in the world.

00:39:13.000 They're called ossuaries for second burial.

00:39:15.000 It says, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.

00:39:19.000 No other bone boxes in Jerusalem or Israel, for that matter, say who their brother was except this very one.

00:39:27.000 And so that tells us, again, Josephus isn't the Bible.

00:39:31.000 We don't know this.

00:39:32.000 This is why I date the book of Acts before 62, by the way, since you're studying it.

00:39:36.000 James dies believing his brother.

00:39:38.000 So don't think that your faith is less than because you need evidence.

00:39:43.000 We had to have it.

00:39:45.000 Jesus showed himself by many infallible proofs.

00:39:47.000 And remember, we're all in that tension of Mark 9, the dad in Mark 9, Russell, who right after Jesus is transfigured, I believe his body was still glistening, and yet his son is possessed.

00:39:59.000 He's demonized.

00:40:00.000 He doesn't see Jesus.

00:40:02.000 Literally, likely still glistening.

00:40:05.000 And he said, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief.

00:40:08.000 And that was enough faith to activate Jesus.

00:40:11.000 So, my prayer right now for you and for everyone watching us right now is if you're willing to have that amount of faith, which is precious little, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief, that's enough for Jesus to change your life right now. 0.99

00:40:23.000 Even though he never shamed them in their resurrected Christ, many times throughout all four gospels, he's like, Oh, man, you idiots, you have little faith. 0.86

00:40:32.000 That's one of the things I like, actually, is the How often he tries and chastises them for it. 0.99

00:40:38.000 Where is your faith?

00:40:39.000 He asks.

00:40:41.000 Again and again and again, he says it to them.

00:40:43.000 See that around John 17, the prayer in Gethsemane, and I think in John it's just before the arrest, where it's him, I in them, you in me, them in us.

00:40:54.000 I think somewhere in there he says, like those that are coming down the line, those that are coming down the pipe, they're not going to see all of this stuff.

00:41:01.000 They're going to have to have faith.

00:41:03.000 So there's something around that, and I think it's in Paul as well, that idea.

00:41:06.000 So I wonder though, About the value of faith that isn't verified, both theologically, I'm asking that question, but also personally, because what I feel like I'm being called to do a lot is, you know, I'm under a lot of pressure, man.

00:41:21.000 I'm dealing with a lot of pressure.

00:41:22.000 Like, you know, I'm not claiming, I'm not trying to appear in some league table of who's having the hardest time.

00:41:27.000 I'm aware there's monumental suffering going on everywhere.

00:41:30.000 But what I'm saying is, sometimes in my prayer, I'm saying, God, I want something I can hold on to right now.

00:41:39.000 I'm not asking for. 0.55

00:41:41.000 Double down on the old faith, and while things progressively get worse and harder on the outside, I want some material bam shazam stuff, too, right? 0.88

00:41:51.000 Because, like, you know, that's what I'm asking for a lot of the time. 0.67

00:41:54.000 And but, like, you know, where am I in the line, you know, when there's when there's Gaza, when there's war, when you know, where do I stand in that line? 0.99

00:42:02.000 Um, and I'm aware of that, you know, my kids in hospital a bunch, and like, so whenever you're in a kid's hospital, you're seeing so much that it just immediately just switches your bullshit off. 0.96

00:42:13.000 Um, but my other. 0.96

00:42:14.000 My other point, right?

00:42:16.000 So it's like, you know, the value of faith that doesn't receive material verification is faith indeed.

00:42:22.000 And is that scripturally undergirded by that John 17 stuff?

00:42:25.000 That's a legit question to you because I might be not remembering it correctly.

00:42:29.000 And then the other thing is, can you help me with the resurrected body?

00:42:35.000 Like, how come he can walk all the way along to, is it a fishery or wherever they're walking that day?

00:42:39.000 Why are they not recognizing him?

00:42:41.000 Why, when he's on the shore, aren't they recognizing it?

00:42:44.000 What, what, What is the new body that it's both, oh my God, that's him, but also they're not recognizing him?

00:42:52.000 Absolutely.

00:42:53.000 First off, I'm so sorry that you've experienced having your child in the hospital.

00:43:01.000 I don't want to reveal anything personal, but I've been there as well.

00:43:05.000 And my book is dedicated to my son Abel.

00:43:08.000 And can I just encourage you for a minute?

00:43:10.000 I haven't shared this on any audience, but it says for Abel, our firstborn triplet, and my dear son, we experienced a physical healing of my son Abel's scoliosis two weeks ago.

00:43:23.000 And You can't tell me it's a coincidence that this book hit the New York Times number one list on the day that we found out my son was healed.

00:43:32.000 Because last May, you can pull this up on social media, his spine had a 16 degree curve.

00:43:39.000 He's had to wear, I haven't shared this on any other show, Russell.

00:43:42.000 I feel I can be transparent with you.

00:43:44.000 He wears a body cast for 12 hours a day, and he does it with such a great attitude.

00:43:49.000 And you're right. 0.99

00:43:50.000 When you go to Scottish Wright Hospital in Dallas, it takes all the bullshit away. 0.98

00:43:54.000 You don't, you know, you have no problems when you look at some of these families. 0.92

00:43:59.000 And we go there two weeks ago, and his, I'll use this nail from the Rome, his spine is this straight.

00:44:09.000 It has basically zero curve.

00:44:12.000 And they told him, You don't have to wear a cast anymore, Abel.

00:44:15.000 God literally healed him.

00:44:17.000 And so I pray that for your child with whatever your child is dealing with.

00:44:21.000 We serve a God who heals, we serve a God who works miracles.

00:44:26.000 They told us at Scottish Ride, this is one of the best children's orthopedic hospitals in the world.

00:44:31.000 This cast will not help him get better.

00:44:33.000 It's just to keep him from having rods put in his spine.

00:44:37.000 And that's why I dedicated the book to him last May during one of the most challenging seasons of my life.

00:44:42.000 And I know you're going through a crucible right now.

00:44:44.000 And I just want to encourage you we serve a God who heals, period.

00:44:49.000 Now I can't even remember the question you were asking me because I just want to encourage you with that with your child.

00:44:53.000 The first bit was about faith without, thank you.

00:44:55.000 The first bit was about faith without verification.

00:44:59.000 And the second part was about his new body and the resurrection going on.

00:45:04.000 Well, But I've come on this show to minister to you.

00:45:08.000 So I just want to minister to you and just tell you we serve a God who does heal.

00:45:13.000 And God bless you for being there with your sweet wife.

00:45:16.000 So faith is always defined by its object.

00:45:21.000 Here's the amazing thing about faith we have to know very little to become a Christian.

00:45:27.000 Remember the gospel, 1 Corinthians 15 3.

00:45:31.000 Christ died for our sins according to the scripture, he was buried.

00:45:35.000 And on the third day, he rose from the grave.

00:45:38.000 That is the gospel.

00:45:40.000 That is all you have to believe to become a Christian.

00:45:42.000 That's it.

00:45:43.000 That's it.

00:45:44.000 Literally, that is it.

00:45:45.000 That's why Jesus said, come to me with the faith of a child.

00:45:48.000 And so when it comes to faith, it's always defined by its object.

00:45:53.000 The object of our faith is the facts of the gospel in the person of Jesus.

00:45:58.000 That's it.

00:45:59.000 Now, faith will grow tremendously from there.

00:46:02.000 Remember when Jesus says to the centurion who said, Hey, man, I know you're powerful.

00:46:07.000 I lead a legion.

00:46:08.000 You can heal long distance.

00:46:10.000 You just say the word.

00:46:11.000 And he said, I haven't seen faith like this in all of Israel.

00:46:14.000 Faith will grow through these evidences.

00:46:17.000 And that's what my prayer is that my faith keeps growing.

00:46:20.000 But remember, faith is always only as strong as its object.

00:46:23.000 So as long as your faith is directionally, if you're using walking faith, even if you don't feel it, which we don't feel it half the time, so often we're like, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief.

00:46:35.000 Even if you don't feel it, if that faith is Jesus centric, that's all you need.

00:46:39.000 That's enough.

00:46:41.000 And so evidence comes along and it encourages us, though, in those moments of doubt, those moments when we're really going through a crucible of adversity like, God, do you really have this?

00:46:50.000 I have in my Bible, the Bible I'm using right now.

00:46:54.000 I don't know if you know this, but I went through a horrible period of anxiety, Russell, where God was blessing me with great success, but nobody would have doubted it or guessed this from the outside.

00:47:05.000 And I couldn't even go into Costco.

00:47:07.000 Do you know what Costco is here in America?

00:47:08.000 It's a big old thing, it stressed me out.

00:47:11.000 And I had to learn what the word shalom means.

00:47:14.000 There are 614 occurrences of the word shalom in the Bible.

00:47:17.000 And so I wrote a study Bible where every single occurrence, I wrote a devotion to myself.

00:47:23.000 Because I had to wrap myself in the peace of God.

00:47:26.000 I learned that the peace of God, the shalom of God, it's not a spiritual talent. 0.61

00:47:30.000 It's not a special gift for Delta Force Christians like Russell Brand.

00:47:34.000 It's for every believer in Jesus Christ who wants to have the peace of God that passes all understanding.

00:47:41.000 And I had to learn that the peace of God was a discipline, that Paul goes from 2 Corinthians 2 13 to have an anxiety attack.

00:47:48.000 And then he goes all the way to Philippians 4 and he gives us the greatest anti anxiety passage in all of the Bible.

00:47:54.000 Which is here's what you have to think about, and you have to keep thinking about it day after day after day.

00:48:00.000 And so, Russell, I pray God shalom on you in Jesus' name, I pray His peace on you in Jesus' name.

00:48:06.000 It is a peace that remember Judges 6 when all seemed lost.

00:48:11.000 Gideon built a temple to the Lord, or excuse me, an altar to the Lord, and he said, Yahweh, shalom, my God is peace.

00:48:19.000 Now, he still had to go fight His battles like you and I have to do, but He did it in the peace of God.

00:48:24.000 And so, that's what faith looks like faith.

00:48:28.000 Literally, in its object is enough.

00:48:31.000 You don't have to know all this.

00:48:32.000 Now, it's fun to know these things.

00:48:34.000 It brings the Bible to life, it helps us know Jesus better.

00:48:38.000 But faith in those really great moments, I love there's 651 prayers in the Bible, by the way.

00:48:44.000 Most of them are very short.

00:48:45.000 It's like, God, help me.

00:48:47.000 And what I like about how you pray, Russell, we all pray way too religiously. 0.97

00:48:51.000 We need to pray like Habakkuk.

00:48:52.000 There are 56 verses in the book of Habakkuk.

00:48:55.000 God, are you dead?

00:48:56.000 Are you dead, God?

00:48:57.000 Where are you, God, in my life?

00:48:59.000 I wish you would show up in my life when I feel like it's in your best interest.

00:49:02.000 To show up.

00:49:03.000 So I just pray that over you.

00:49:06.000 I'm on this program to speak to you now.

00:49:09.000 I'm happy to speak to your massive audience, but the Lord told me to speak to you, and you need God's peace all over you right now, as we all do.

00:49:17.000 So lean into his shalom right now.

00:49:19.000 Lean into his peace over your life. 0.99

00:49:21.000 Lean into the fact that you can pray going into the worst situation, the prayer of Gideon, my God is peace, and then you can go slay all the Midianites before you. 0.99

00:49:33.000 Thank you. 1.00

00:49:34.000 Thank you.

00:49:35.000 My God is peace.

00:49:36.000 My God is peace.

00:49:40.000 Will you tell me what you think about the reincarnated body that manages to encapsulate identification but also a kind of obscurity?

00:49:50.000 What do you think that is?

00:49:52.000 And also, do you think that any personification of God in the Old Testament is Christ?

00:49:59.000 Say, like the fourth person in the furnace, and Daniel sees, and what Ezekiel sees, and the burning bush.

00:50:06.000 What do you think?

00:50:06.000 Think about that.

00:50:07.000 Tell me what you think about the new body.

00:50:12.000 So, back to everything, I'm an exegete, so everything goes back to the Bible.

00:50:17.000 69 times in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, Jesus refers to himself as Son of Man.

00:50:21.000 And if you read Daniel 7, and I watched you read the book of Daniel on Tucker's show, which you did amazingly, by the way.

00:50:28.000 You were reading a few chapters later, but in Daniel 7, the Son of Man is the Messiah who will sit at the right hand of the throne of God.

00:50:37.000 In heaven. 0.68

00:50:38.000 And so, Jesus, when these morons, when these apostate Bible scholars who are true apostates say Jesus never claimed to be God, he referred to himself as Son of Man 69 times. 0.98

00:50:50.000 If anyone who had read the book of Daniel, that would be like saying, Yes, I am the Messiah. 0.98

00:50:54.000 I am King of Kings.

00:50:56.000 I am Lord of Lords.

00:50:58.000 When he quotes Isaiah 6 2, what I love about Jesus is he takes all these Old Testament passages, he messianizes them, and he applies them to himself.

00:51:05.000 Hosea 6 2, on the second day, you will revive us.

00:51:10.000 On the third day, you will raise us up that you may live before him.

00:51:13.000 Jesus messianizes that in his messianic predictions, Mark 8, 31, Mark 9, 31, Mark 10, 33, and 34, that the Son of Man must die.

00:51:23.000 And then on the third day, he will be risen from the dead.

00:51:27.000 And make no mistake, Russell, this was a physical body.

00:51:31.000 This was no phantom.

00:51:33.000 This was no ghost.

00:51:35.000 This was no apparition.

00:51:37.000 And I used to be the biggest skeptic of the Shroud of Turn, and I was conditioned in Oxford at Keeble College to be that way, that we don't believe in the miraculous.

00:51:47.000 And Russell, I don't mean this with any pride.

00:51:49.000 I had published 300,000 words on the resurrection, even Body of Proof, which I love that book.

00:51:55.000 I never mentioned the shroud.

00:51:56.000 I didn't believe it until I actually bothered to look at the evidence.

00:52:00.000 And I actually read the fact that 102 academic disciplines have looked into what you brought up the shroud of Turin, which think of it like a sheet that covers the body of Jesus.

00:52:12.000 Remember, Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus do something powerful.

00:52:16.000 They ask Pilate for the body of Jesus, they have to bury him quickly.

00:52:19.000 He's dead at three o'clock.

00:52:21.000 By Jewish burial traditions, he must be buried before nightfall at 6 p.m. 0.82

00:52:26.000 They hurry him to a tomb 200 feet nearby. 0.90

00:52:29.000 If you come to Israel with me, I'll show you how close the crucifixion in Arimathea's tomb is.

00:52:34.000 And they lay his naked body, his brutalized body, on this shroud.

00:52:39.000 And again, the shroud is mentioned in all four gospels.

00:52:42.000 And remember, Russell, there's only 89 chapters in the gospels, and we only have parts of 26 days of the life of Jesus in the gospels.

00:52:51.000 There is an economy.

00:52:53.000 We have only four chapters on Christmas, and the world makes the biggest deal about Christmas.

00:52:57.000 One third of the Gospels is what happened on April 5th, AD 33.

00:53:02.000 And so they wrap his body.

00:53:04.000 Women are coming to the tomb on Sunday morning. 0.97

00:53:07.000 And stay with me, please. 1.00

00:53:08.000 Why? 0.99

00:53:09.000 They're going to do what Jewish burial traditions do they're going to sit Shiva for seven days. 1.00

00:53:14.000 They're going to continue to spice and clean the body. 1.00

00:53:17.000 Why?

00:53:17.000 Because, I mean, Nicodemus and Arimathea were probably in their early 70s.

00:53:23.000 I mean, can you imagine?

00:53:24.000 Just the heroism of these two old guys to get it's not like the wrong, there was no Uber you could call to help you get a guy off the cross.

00:53:32.000 I mean, these can you imagine?

00:53:33.000 And these guys, they're literally carrying our Lord and Savior's brutalized, unrecognizable body to the tomb.

00:53:41.000 They get him there. 0.88

00:53:42.000 Well, the women are coming that first Sunday morning.

00:53:45.000 We know from the Jet Propulsion Lab, sunrise is 5 43 a.m., April 5th, AD 33.

00:53:51.000 So they're coming very early and they are astonished.

00:53:54.000 The tomb is empty.

00:53:56.000 But when you read John chapter 20, this shocked me.

00:53:59.000 And I'm going to go to John 20 in my Bible.

00:54:02.000 You know, you read the Bible a thousand times, and the Holy Spirit always reveals new truth.

00:54:07.000 When you read the chronology of it, I love this.

00:54:12.000 It says, When they go in, they saw the shroud, the linen cloth lying there, and the sudarium that had been around his head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself.

00:54:24.000 Then the other disciple, that's John, who came to the tomb first, he went in also.

00:54:29.000 And Russell, this is my prayer for you on this broadcast.

00:54:33.000 He saw and he believed.

00:54:36.000 Now, John had believed before.

00:54:38.000 He was the only disciple that stayed at the cross.

00:54:41.000 But let me tell you, he believed more when he saw the shroud.

00:54:46.000 The shroud is the only burial garment we have from antiquity that is the image of a crucified man that matches with one to one correspondence the brutality that Jesus experienced on the cross.

00:55:01.000 Does it sound too good to be true?

00:55:02.000 I thought so myself until I went around the world.

00:55:06.000 Like you, I'm a thinker.

00:55:07.000 Interviewing the skeptics, interviewing the scientists.

00:55:10.000 And what's fun about my book is I have pictures.

00:55:13.000 I have paid off all these archaeologists.

00:55:15.000 You know what it's like as an author to get permission to get pictures.

00:55:18.000 But I'm meeting with a physicist, Russell, by the name of Paolo De Lazaro in Turin, Italy.

00:55:25.000 And he has the most powerful laser on earth.

00:55:28.000 And the image in the shroud is so amazing because it's superficial.

00:55:34.000 It's 0.02 microns.

00:55:35.000 If you were to take one strand of your hair and divide it up one fifth, That's how thin the image is.

00:55:42.000 So the blood absorbs all the way through the shroud, but the image is superficial.

00:55:48.000 And Paulo de Lazaro took five years.

00:55:51.000 He's a physicist.

00:55:52.000 He's not a preacher.

00:55:53.000 He's not a theologian.

00:55:54.000 He doesn't have a theological dog in the hunt.

00:55:57.000 And he tells me, Jeremiah, and he's published this academically 34 billion watts of energy.

00:56:04.000 But here's the kicker, Russell traveling at 140th of a billionth of a second to leave an image on the shroud.

00:56:10.000 That's four times the amount of power we have on earth.

00:56:15.000 Think about this from a New Testament perspective.

00:56:17.000 Every time Jesus manifests himself, he manifests himself as brilliant like Mark 9, the transfiguration.

00:56:22.000 Acts 26, Paul sees Jesus and he says it's brighter than the noonday sun.

00:56:27.000 Think of Revelation 22.

00:56:29.000 We'll have no need for the sun and the new heaven and new earth because Jesus will give light to all.

00:56:34.000 And so, what I am postulating right here in my book is that we have actual scientific residue of the resurrection of Jesus.

00:56:45.000 And here's the application for it, okay?

00:56:47.000 Every time I go out to eat, I have a family of seven.

00:56:50.000 So here in America, we get charged automatic gratuity if you have more than a party of six.

00:56:55.000 So we always get charged full amount plus gratuity just because I have a big family.

00:56:59.000 I'm blessed with five kids.

00:57:01.000 And I always ask for the itemized receipt.

00:57:04.000 When you look at the Shroud of Turin, Russell, it is an itemized receipt of how much Jesus loves you.

00:57:10.000 You see the brutality that he went through, but then you see the victory of his resurrection, which shows we can get over any addiction.

00:57:17.000 We can be a champion in Christ.

00:57:19.000 We can overcome any adversity that we're facing.

00:57:22.000 And that's why when John sees this amazing shroud, he believes.

00:57:27.000 So then his body has new capabilities to answer your question.

00:57:31.000 I don't want you to think it's like Lazarus.

00:57:33.000 It took me a while to understand this because in John 11, you know, Lazarus, remember, Jesus raises him up and he's like, hey, take his grave clothes off.

00:57:43.000 No, Jesus' body emanates through the shroud.

00:57:46.000 I sent you a video on text about this.

00:57:50.000 His body literally emanates through the shroud.

00:57:53.000 His body has new capabilities where he doesn't need to use doors.

00:57:56.000 He can appear and disappear in rooms.

00:57:59.000 And I coined this term in my book.

00:58:03.000 Every shred of evidence for Jesus' resurrection, Russell, is evidence for your and my resurrection.

00:58:09.000 This is probably why this may be the most important conversation you've ever had on your channel, not because of me, but because of the application of it.

00:58:18.000 John 14, 19, Jesus says, Because I live, you will live also.

00:58:23.000 1 Corinthians 15 says, Your body will have deathlessness.

00:58:27.000 Unable to die, unable to decay.

00:58:30.000 Here's the great thing unable to sin.

00:58:33.000 Can you imagine that?

00:58:34.000 The glory of not having to deal with sin anymore, to be able to worship our Savior in spirit and in truth without any sin, to be able to love and forgive our brothers, to wipe every tear from our eyes.

00:58:49.000 That is the promise that took the Roman Empire by storm.

00:58:53.000 And it's why the Christian movement is now the greatest force for good on planet Earth.

00:59:00.000 Yes, I like the new light, the light by which all light is seen.

00:59:07.000 That it is in fact a new creation, almost like a new Big Bang.

00:59:13.000 That the resurrection of that singular body is like a second molecular compound, an instantiation of a new physical reality, almost extra electromagnetic.

00:59:26.000 Like at the edges of the light range that's visible, ultraviolet and infrared, there are presumed new hieroglyphs of light, new photons that belong to an alphabet of light.

00:59:39.000 Inaccessible to the limitations of our sensory instruments.

00:59:45.000 And maybe then I'm thinking of in heaven, there is no man, no woman, and like you said, no sin.

00:59:55.000 I'm thinking, I felt during that that the transcendent, the martyr fuel that was disseminated through that event is the feeling of inspired.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 11, 2026

The Undeniable Evidence for Christ… — SF715

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