In this episode of RUMBLE, we're joined by Charles Eichenstein, author of Sacred Economics, to discuss why AOC is the kind of politician we need in 2020, and why she's the perfect choice to replace Hillary Clinton.
00:06:30.000Financially rewarded for that, as well as it being reassuring for my family's future in an economic time of strife, trouble, chaos, disillusionment, fracture, and diaspora, which are some of the things I'll be talking about.
00:06:57.000Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
00:06:59.000Remember, on the show tomorrow from DC, we've got Dr. Oz, head of the CMS, and his wife, Lisa Oz, joining us in studio to talk about the complexity of Maha principles in government.
00:07:11.000If your personal health, spiritual and psychological sovereignty is contingent on the falling of many behemoths, on the capture and fall of many Leviathans, what chance is there for it happening?
00:07:23.000Also, what we're going to be talking about today with Charles Eisenstein, whose influential book, Sacred Economics, really preempted the cryptocurrency revolution and indicated that even financial and fiduciary exchange ought be undergirded with spiritual goodwill.
00:07:41.000If there are any of you kind of crypto bros out there, let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
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00:07:57.000Join us here where we can talk about AOC, Marjorie Taylor Greene's just outright causer of fraud.
00:08:01.000You're going to love that kind of stuff, I reckon, aren't you, guys?
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00:08:18.000Now, Charles, if you could get on mic for us, one of the things that like, like we've chatted a few times when I've seen you in and around the Kennedy campaign when he was still running as an independent and even when he made his extraordinary and now one would have to argue successful alliance with the Trump administration.
00:08:36.000But before that, many people will be familiar with your writing, Sacred Economics in particular.
00:08:40.000But when you wrote that book, not books, long essay on coronavirus, I thought it was a kind of a pivotal moment, certainly in my own understanding, where you identified that what coronavirus had brought to the forefront, if I'm understanding what you wrote correctly, was a kind of inability for us to address mortality because of a sort of spiritual crisis, a spiritual crisis at the heart of our culture, even beyond America.
00:09:06.000Where do you think that crisis, that spiritual crisis, that inability to process death, that inability to accept reality is now?
00:09:14.000Now that we have Trump in office, now that we have Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, excuse me, as head of the HHS, now that we have the disappointment and disillusionment of the Epstein file, that peculiar synecdoche that essentially stands for, you didn't let us know about the baddies and the Gates and the Clintons and the Obamas and all of their occultist practices.
00:09:37.000What was revealed in COVID and where is that revelation now?
00:09:42.000Now that Trump is not a sort of a renegade totem of nationalist and populist and interests, but he is the president of the United States and a man with significant power, seemingly still controlled by some of the interests that would have existed if Kamal Harris was in office.
00:10:03.000You can take a long time to answer and you can ponder it.
00:10:05.000Plus, you could use the time when I'm asking the questions to think of a few.
00:10:09.000Well, you're so entertaining to listen to that it paralyzes all thought.
00:10:15.000I hope you put that to good use sometimes.
00:10:17.000I've used to actually use it to sleep around a lot, but it turns out that I should have been more circumspect about how that could be utilized subsequently.
00:10:27.000You know, one thing I'll say, Trump, as his name indicates, you know, a Trump card in a deck is a wild card, a joker, which can be any card.
00:10:39.000So he's almost custom-made to be a projection screen.
00:10:50.000Like the actual man, Trump, who he is, is very different, very different than the totality of all the projections of what he is.
00:11:02.000And that lends him very well to mythological narratives.
00:11:05.000So one of these narratives is the archetype of disclosure, where all of the secrets, all of the truth, all of the secret history is going to be made plain, all of the crimes, and we're finally going to have justice.
00:11:24.000We're going to know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.
00:11:27.000We're going to understand how the world works.
00:11:31.000Because the shadows will have been revealed.
00:11:33.000I don't think that that day is ever going to come until we are psychologically and spiritually prepared for it.
00:11:42.000Man, the archetype of disclosure, I was about to say, well, what is that?
00:11:45.000And then I thought, Hermes and stealing Apollo's cattle and Prometheus stealing fire and any mythic figure that has granted fire stolen from the gods and given it to the population.
00:11:59.000Now, I myself in my own museums have considered that Trump sit, like that, I know what I projected onto Trump.
00:12:05.000I know why I became and remain to a point enamored of Trump.
00:12:10.000My am more towards Trump is no different than any one of a billion metropolitan Democrat intellectuals that would say, well, you know, we know the Democrats ain't great, but they're the best of a, you know, the best, least, worst option, all that kind of stuff.
00:12:28.000I came to realize during the campaign, Trump is a bulwark and an obstacle to globalist imperialist interests, which if not interrupted now, I believe could reach a kind of Huxley-esque, Orwellian, and perhaps most alarmingly of all, Kafka-esque level of bureaucratic control, where the fugue of their compassion will consume us all, and we will all be carrying ID, and we will all be inoculated from everything, perhaps, but breathing, and maybe on some occasions that.
00:12:57.000And what I personally projected onto Trump was this guy is anti-media, which he is, you know, like he certainly understands media very well.
00:13:06.000When he's saying you can't trust the media, they're liars.
00:13:09.000And I'm a person who feels like I've been lied about by media.
00:13:12.000I'm like, yeah, there he goes, my guy.
00:13:15.000Now, it's not as simple as that because I, you know, I admire his entrepreneurialism, I enjoy his rhetorical style, I enjoy his sense of humor, and I respect the office of the President of the United States.
00:13:26.000But this idea that he somehow has a set of attributes that allow us to project onto him, do you think that all political leaders have that?
00:13:34.000Or do you think that's particular and unique?
00:13:40.000But, you know, I think one thing that COVID did is it really, for a lot of people who hadn't questioned normality before, it really dissolved the veil and showed us like people had like a deep-seated anxiety about the direction of our civilization.
00:14:04.000And COVID kind of gave us a preview of where we were going anyway.
00:14:09.000You know, the trend toward more and more of life happening online, the trend toward fear and technocratic control, the distancing of human beings, the migration of shopping, education, dating, conversation onto digital media.
00:14:41.000These are all trends that have been going on for a long time.
00:14:43.000So it kind of showed, COVID gave us a preview of where we were headed and said, is this what you actually want?
00:14:52.000Because this is where we have been on autopilot going.
00:14:58.000And by making an unconscious choice conscious, it actually gives us a choice.
00:15:05.000And a lot of people welcomed the interruption of normality that happened with the first lockdowns.
00:15:14.000But underneath it, the fear narrative and the intensification of not just technologies of control, but also the mentality of,
00:15:32.000I would even call it progress, that says that human progress means that we exert more and more precise control over the body, over transactions, over economics, over human choices, over society.
00:15:57.000We put everything, this is the dream, you put everything into a data set.
00:16:02.000And then you can use essentially mathematics and predictive technologies to prevent crime, to reduce carbon emissions, whatever your goal is.
00:16:20.000As long as everything is surveilled and accounted for, then you know what to do.
00:16:30.000Is it to be as safe as possible until you die?
00:16:35.000And this is what you were talking about before, like the phobia of death and the avoidance of death and the pretense that we're not going to die that comes through in the obsessive worship of youth, the sequestering of old people away in nursing homes, the euphemisms and the regime of safety that is used to justify everything, which is also fundamental to fascism.
00:17:09.000And finding something, see, you have to find something external to control, to fight against, to dominate in order to gather the fascistic us.
00:18:02.000Even an accusation is enough because then all of us have this grade school level instinct to stay away from you.
00:18:15.000Like I got flack when I was first on your podcast a number of years ago.
00:18:19.000People were like, you were on a podcast with the same guy who also interviewed Jordan Peterson.
00:18:28.000Please denounce and repudiate Russell Brand so that I can stay associated with you because you now have his cooties because he has Jordan Peterson's cooties.
00:18:41.000And now I've got Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s cooties and he has Trump's cooties.
00:18:46.000So it is unsafe to be associated with you.
00:18:52.000And now, because I'm talking to you, with me.
00:18:54.000This Cooties pandemic that we're going to have to tackle, I suggest a vaccine.
00:18:59.000We've clinically trialed it on up to eight mouses.
00:19:02.000Moderna will be releasing the Cooties vaccine any moment now.
00:19:10.000You might get some dizzy spells and you might find that you don't have the ability to get, maintain, or even look at an erection.
00:19:17.000But all these things are a small price to pay for Sweet Lady Freedom.
00:19:21.000Now, I've got a lot of questions for you, Charles, and here they are.
00:19:23.000It's going to come in the form of a great big long monologue.
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00:19:35.000We'll stay on YouTube for a moment longer and X for a moment longer because I want to put this question to you and provide some additional context for those of you watching and those of you chatting.
00:19:42.000Let me know if you have any comments or, well, obviously, comments you're going to just do freely.
00:19:46.000You free speech advocates, you raconteurs, you maniacs, you lunatics, you dinglings.
00:19:53.000Charles comes from a sort of, I don't know about this if I'm if I'm characterizing you correctly here, but this is how I encountered you in the culture.
00:19:59.000You're kind of one of them intellectuals that emerged out of an era that kind of brought together ayahuasca, psychedelics, new for understanding of technology, a sort of nouveau shamanism, an attempt to sort of extract meaning out of this increasingly nihilistic world.
00:20:15.000When you were offering, and I know that, you know, you have a particular kind of contamination.
00:20:19.000Yeah, you've got cross-pollinated now because you've got RFK cooties, you've got RB cooties.
00:20:24.000I mean, you are a kind of menagerie of viruses at this point, Charles.
00:20:29.000But in a sense, I always saw your kind of natural home as a kind of, you're an intellectual, you're an accredited intellectual, you're sort of a liberal progressive intellectual.
00:20:38.000Something very strange happened in our culture a little while ago, and I don't feel like the pieces have really coalesced well enough yet for us to make out the mosaic and new patterns that may emerge from this endless fracturing of taxonomies and this tumbling of false idols.
00:20:55.000This is what I feel is when this safety control dynamic that you're describing, that we can keep you safe, there's a peculiar eschatological position that's being taken here, that when you deny God, part of what you do is you sort of somehow attempt to replace God, that there is a requirement for God.
00:21:15.000And I know of apologists, notably Joseph Boot, who makes the claim that the state, and of course, that the state, in its secular claim that there is no God, that God is dead, is attempting to replace that very God that it is renouncing and claiming doesn't exist.
00:21:36.000And in the following ways, some of the things you said in your first answer, other than the repeated use of the term cooties, which I didn't allow to diminish the tone of the whole show, is you talk about worship.
00:21:52.000In this visit to DC, I've also going to be having, I've had a conversation with Margaret, excuse me, Marjorie, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.
00:22:01.000But we've also spoken to the head of the CMS, Dr. Oz, and his wife, Lisa Ros, who's running the Maha Movement.
00:22:05.000I know you were affiliated with the Maha Movement and Moment.
00:22:08.000And that was very extraordinary, I think.
00:22:10.000And with a more objective media, I think it would have been noted that something strange was happening when a figure as marginal, peripheral, and controversial as Robert Kennedy, a man who has said, you know, who's allowed himself to be affiliated with an idea such as it's possible that vaccines contribute to childhood autism.
00:22:31.000A man who is a lawyer has taken from some pretty significant corporations, the court, and has won.
00:22:37.000A person who's, if, you know, when I read the real Anthony Fauci Charles, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe someone is saying this about Anthony Fauci and then have stood back in near awe as more and more of Kennedy's claims in that book have been proven to be true.
00:22:51.000Now, there's a lot I want you to unpack here, but I see now that your answers are as long as my questions, so I feel kind of safe.
00:22:56.000And what I want you to touch upon is what's happened to this sort of there are now people that still claim to be kind of almost metropolitan intellectuals, avant-garde intellectuals, and they still are ultimately, in a sense, carrying water for the Obama administration.
00:23:10.000We all knew that the Russia hoax stuff would have had powerful figures behind it.
00:23:14.000We all know or intuit or sense that even if there is no literal Epstein list, and maybe even if there weren't literal occultist sex parties, it's, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison for something.
00:23:27.000Jeffrey Epstein killed himself for something or was evacuated from that place.
00:23:31.000We all sense that there are elite institutions that are corruptly contributing not only to our personal incarceration, but maybe even the manifestation of deep evil.
00:23:40.000The liberal left, that's over, isn't it?
00:23:44.000There are a few people sort of shivering back there in the caves, unwilling to leave, pointing fingers at you, notably actually.
00:23:49.000What's happened to Charles Eisenstein?
00:23:50.000Why is he hanging out with you, whether it's Russell Brand or Bobby Kennedy or whoever?
00:23:54.000But what I say is populism now is we have to popularize whatever messages we believe to be true.
00:24:02.000And surely can we, Lord, trust the technology we have now to disseminate and proliferate the message.
00:24:09.000Allow, as the right-wing folks would say, the marketplace of ideas to succeed.
00:24:13.000And I, personally, I've become baptized, I've returned to Christ, and I kind of experience and receive what, given the nature of our relationship and the nature of this conversation, a kind of psychedelic, vivid, living Christ that is talking about consciousness itself.
00:24:31.000On the crucifix, we don't have to live in the undifferentiated, primordial superstate of potentiality that shamans and druids might do well in.
00:24:41.000But some of us that are easily defeated by the flesh, that are easily defeated by the world, that are easily defeated by mental demons, we need to cling to that cross.
00:24:51.000And in fact, why take the chance of clinging?
00:25:20.000We do live in a kind of a secular religion.
00:25:26.000And the priesthood would be the people we call scientists and doctors who administer the rituals that draw from their religious metaphysical views and contribute to those.
00:25:44.000For example, the metaphysical views basically, these are the religious doctrines of the scientific rational worldview that you and I grew up in and that seemed to be the very essence of enlightened thought.
00:25:59.000It's that Reality is something objective, that things that happen either happen or they don't happen independent of our consciousness, that everything real can be quantified, that there is no intelligence operating outside of what we humans impose upon the world.
00:26:24.000We are the source of intelligence, but the events of the world are just the random concatenations of force and mass, atoms and void, bouncing around according to mathematical laws.
00:26:35.000Therefore, progress means the progressive colonization of an empty, meaningless universe with human intelligence.
00:26:47.000And this religion has really been dissolving because its promises have not been manifested.
00:26:58.000The promises of social and technological utopia.
00:27:02.000I mean, we were supposed to have, you know, we were supposed to have conquered all disease and eliminated crime and eliminated poverty and living in a paradise by now.
00:27:13.000But instead, this is what's fueling the populism you talked about.
00:27:16.000Things are actually getting worse and worse, even when the numbers say they're getting better and better.
00:27:22.000But when the average child in America spends something like seven minutes a day outdoors unsupervised, when addiction and depression and autoimmunity are at epidemic levels, then no matter what the numbers say about GDP and educational attainment and poverty and all those kind of things, like we know something is wrong here.
00:27:51.000And it goes all the way to the foundation.
00:27:54.000So a lot of people are turning toward either new or ancient religions, other views of the world.
00:28:03.000And the primary thing, whatever, you know, whether you're like a New Age shamanistic pagan or have returned to Orthodox Christianity, what all of those have in common is that they understand that there is an intelligence in all things, that this isn't just a random accident, and therefore that the purpose of life isn't simply to survive it.
00:28:31.000I mean, if there is no purpose to life, if meaning and purpose are something that human beings invent, then there's nothing left but to pretend that that's not true and to survive.
00:28:47.000Or create some sort of perpetual orgasm machine.
00:28:50.000That's what you could do, is a machine that got you to a state of orgasm, then kept you there.
00:29:21.000And also, even when you were describing chaos, you talked about mathematical laws.
00:29:25.000And so the evidence, the hieroglyphic poetry of intelligence is all about us, endless, redolent miracles and golden scales.
00:29:36.000This started to break down in the 60s and 70s when chaos theory and the idea of emergence in non-linear dynamic systems came about, where order comes from chaos everywhere.
00:29:50.000Life is an innate property of the universe, and God is in everything.
00:29:56.000So this is what we're all coming to, to understand that there is, see, if there is an intelligence operating outside of ourselves, then our purpose is no longer to dominate the rest of reality, but to participate in that intelligence and to ask, how can I serve that which wants to be born?
00:30:32.000You can fire that graphic, Dylan, and if you can find it, if you've got it, there's a 30-second countdown because YouTube, you bastard, we're leaving you.
00:30:38.000And why wouldn't we leave you after all the deception and your participation in rumor-mongering and skull duggery and propaganda and filth and the way you use that algorithm?
00:30:48.000You should be ashamed of yourself, Rumble.
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00:33:32.000Let me know in the comments and chat if you have any questions for me or MTG or Charles Eisenstein here.
00:33:36.000We'll be with Dr. Oz and Lisa Oz tomorrow.
00:33:39.000Dr. Oz is, of course, the administrator of the CMS and is therefore under the stewardship, one might say, leadership certainly, of Secretary Kennedy, who worked with Charles Eisenstein for some time, I believe in an advisory capacity, because Charles Eisenstein, this is me characterizing him, and you can probably see him wince and tighten his anus as I go through this description, a kind of progressive intellectual influence by sort of psychedelic movements, kind of in a way, like you were just saying of Marjorie Taylor Greene, how she represents the collapse of left and right.
00:34:09.000You might argue that you and I both represent the collapse of left and right.
00:34:13.000And in a way, a good way of understanding or perhaps analysing it for a minute will be through the terms of Martin Guri's book, The Revolt of the Public, who many of our viewers will be aware was a former CIA analyst who wrote that in 2001, he noted in his position at the CIA that as much information was published that year as in all history up to that point.
00:34:31.000And it kept doubling every year, as it has done subsequently, all the way up to 2025.
00:34:48.000New elites have not yet been instantiated or certainly infroned that will be able to handle the new dynamics.
00:34:55.000What we will see will be arguments to centralized authority, centralized authority, excuse me, through fear, likely war, crisis, pandemics, and to break down authority and to return to localized forms of government, community and control, which is, of course, what we continually advocate for on this show, partly to diffuse the constant, incessant, unbearable arguments in the culture around identity, to name but one thing.
00:35:22.000If you have localized authority, if you use current technology to maximise our ability to run our own communities, wouldn't that represent huge, huge progress, real progress at this time?
00:35:33.000I wonder, Charles, how you see that broad argument.
00:35:39.000Are we in a struggle to control information?
00:35:42.000As you seem to indicate earlier when you were talking about safety, like safety and control, the desire to turn the world into one sort of giant airport where to keep you safe, you've got to take your shoes off and maybe have your bottom looked up.
00:36:46.000Like, since when is advocating civil liberties now right-wing?
00:36:51.000Or since when is suspicion of mega pharma corporations right-wing or opposition to the weaponization of the Justice Department and the courts?
00:37:11.000Well, when you see the solution to whatever problem as winning a battle over the other side, in other words, when you see that your side, when you believe that your side is the good guys and they are the bad guys, then any means is justified in order to win the battle.
00:37:37.000So the formula is, for example, Donald Trump evil.
00:37:43.000So yeah, so okay, you know, we cheated in all these different ways, but it's justified because, you know, if he gets into office, it's going to be the second coming of Hitler.
00:37:55.000And, you know, we have to use any means necessary, even inventing entire Russian collusion hoaxes in order to stop him.
00:38:05.000And if you don't exert every iota of your being to join this battle, then you are responsible for the ascension of the next Hitler.
00:38:19.000So it's this casting of the drama into terms of good versus evil.
00:38:28.000Because once you've done that, then you yourself become evil because any means is justified to attain your end.
00:38:36.000And your end simply becomes the brand logo of your team in its campaign of total war against the other.
00:38:47.000This mindset, this mindset is itself the problem.
00:38:52.000Because look at any time you set up an other and you set up A drama where healing, transformation, et cetera, et cetera, comes through defeating the other.
00:39:12.000Those are the others, and here's the self.
00:39:15.000The Republicans are the other, and the good people, we're the good people.
00:39:20.000And so when I got involved in politics, and then when Bobby Kennedy joined Trump, I was like, look, guys, you're not understanding the situation.
00:40:34.000And so I said, look, guys, if you're going to cast the entire MAGA movement as just a bunch of crazed xenophobes and bigots who are, you know, just channeling the worst impulses of the human being, then there is no, you're, You're not going to understand their situation.
00:41:00.000And you're going to replicate the same pattern that has locked humanity in horrific drama ever since history began.
00:41:09.000So, like, that, and for saying that, people blame, you know, me personally, actually, for getting Donald Trump elected.
00:41:19.000And I'm like, no, even if you had defeated Donald Trump, there will be another one and another one and another one as long as you do not recognize and acknowledge the way that your own party and your own movement has betrayed its original ideals and used those simply as a brand logo.
00:41:41.000Also, that betrayal now, I think, is so entrenched and the ideals are so remote, so lost, almost invisible in some fallen garden by this point, that it's a claim that can no longer be made.
00:41:53.000And I now see sort of Trump as the harbinger of a different type of politics forever.
00:41:59.000And I don't even mean with the aspects of his character that pertain to entrepreneurialism or nationalism or bombast or charm or a good sense of humour or like, you know, take good or bad.
00:42:09.000There's, of course, a variety of attributes in the human being.
00:42:12.000What I mean is there's something more significant than that is changing.
00:42:16.000And I think you can see it even in the first year of his administration in the fissures and fractures that are emerging within it, whether that's around the Epstein list, whether it's the sort of Elon Musk's rhetoric and potential action around new parties.
00:42:32.000I think the changes are going to be enormous and significant and rapid and fascinating.
00:42:38.000I would take issue with your notion of the emergence of issue of evil, excuse me, because I recognise that from a sort of a social perspective, settlers versus itinerant people is an ongoing source of tension, the nomads v the settlers.
00:42:57.000But from a scriptural perspective, what I note is that the position of submission that might come from one who accepts this God and would serve this God that we discussed in sort of broader terms, but obviously I'm discussing from a Christian perspective, comes about mostly when one is able to reject this premise.
00:43:17.000And there's a bit of verse that really helped me with this.
00:43:23.000And it was this, that when the disciples, when the 72 disciples go out and do healing, not just the 12, they are casting out demons and conducting healings.
00:43:32.000And they return somewhat hubristically, one might imagine, from Christ's response to them when he says, after they went, we were healing people.
00:43:48.000You will move among snakes and scorpions for your names are written in the heavens.
00:43:54.000I see this in this way, mate, and obviously all of you as well.
00:44:00.000That Lucifer's true crime, Satan's sin, the original sin that chronologically at least must precede the sin of mankind, us, the sin of disobedience, the sin of not following basic edicts, of not following authority of eaten from the tree of knowledge.
00:44:18.000And I recognize there are many metaphors that you could use there when it comes to altered states and transcendence, surely.
00:44:23.000But what I would like to acknowledge and highlight is that in the disobedience of Satan, what was brought forth was the idea that we are sovereign.
00:44:45.000What I note as a convenient adjunct and analogy in myself is when I close the circuit that one might see as neurological in myself and collapse into a kind of self-service or self-pity or anything that's dominated by self, I become kind of redundant and you might call it evil, like somehow inertly evil, because I will tender to the urges.
00:45:09.000I will worship the pantheon of inner humours or deities.
00:45:14.000I will worship my own assertiveness or my own will or aggression or my own urges or my own lasciviousness.
00:45:19.000All of those things are driven to the forefront.
00:45:22.000In this state of submission, this openness, which is referred to elsewhere in scripture, particularly in the Old Testament, as a kind of living flow of water that we oughtn't interrupt with a system, that we oughtn't try to foreclose.
00:45:33.000You are part of the living flow is offered again and again in Jeremiah and Isaiah, throughout the Psalms.
00:45:38.000Allow the holy water, consciousness itself, the light, allow it to flow, allow it to flow.
00:45:43.000That in this state, the dynamic of we are not available to evil in that state.
00:45:52.000As soon as we sort of collapse from a kind of wave into a particle, as soon as I, absolutely myself, as soon as I collapse into self, I'm not available for God anymore.
00:46:03.000So whilst I can see that what you're saying is to some degree accurate when it comes to sort of social dynamics, preceding social dynamics must be the individuals and indeed the consciousness that fuels the individuals.
00:46:16.000And how I recognize the value of scripture, which of course is preempting all of these conversations about meaning and purpose and sex and lust and power and all of these things, is that when I remain in this state of submission, not to any authority other than God's, to no authority other than God's, not to government authority, not suddenly to the authority of my own imperious urges, that I become a participant in God's grace, almost to the point where it could be aspatial and atemporal.
00:46:43.000And it's interesting that that has sort of packed in it a bunch of kind of quite Eastern and maybe Buddhist ideas about identity and not worshiping identity.
00:46:53.000And in fact, they're not being a self or an I. And also, though, what I get in Christ that I can't get anywhere else is that without him, without the actual and literal surrender to the man Christ as much as the God Christ, I am no longer centrifugal.
00:47:11.000I have no value that no one else, that isn't shared by anybody else.
00:47:14.000Not that I don't have unique attributes or qualities or whatever, but that I don't have a value unto him that is worth anything else.
00:47:20.000And for someone like me that was so devout to the culture, which leads us to individualism, I think it's so clear that rationalism in the end, without God, without the divine, I'm not saying that reason itself isn't a good tool.
00:49:06.000I thought that my brilliant, brilliant, fast little brain would eventually find some sort of quirk anomaly that I could use to sidestep him, the hound of heaven, as he's been called in poetry.
00:49:16.000But everywhere, through a metaphor, meaning is provided.
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00:52:44.000I'm with Marjorie Taylor Green, of course.
00:52:45.000Marjorie, when I first met you, it was at the Milwaukee RNC Republican National Convention.
00:52:52.000And what I felt was that Marjorie Taylor Greene, and this is given that I come from a somewhat more liberal background and I'm British and stuff, I don't know if you know that about me, I felt that it was, I thought this is the kind of person that you want in politics and it's politics that should change rather than Marjorie Taylor Greene if politics can't accommodate her.
00:53:12.000What I mean by that is people that seem connected to their class, to their community, to their nature.
00:53:16.000And I said before also, I think in one of your spats with high-profile feminists of the left, likely AOC, but possibly others, I said that were Marjorie Taylor Greene a figure of the left, her femininity would be celebrated, but it's regarded as kind of obnoxious.
00:53:30.000And I think there are some narratives around class about that.
00:53:32.000But also I feel like I also feel it's obviously a sort of a partisan idea.
00:53:40.000Now, like one of the things I've generally felt for a while is that politics has become divorced from the people that it's supposed to govern.
00:53:45.000Indeed, one of the obvious components of Trump's rise to power has been that he seems like a person who's connected to people.
00:53:53.000Can you please tell me how different it's been from moving from the campaign phase that we were plainly at when we met at the Republican National Convention to where you are now in office, in Congress, in government, in administration, in power?
00:54:04.000You've been quite outspoken about some of the areas where you feel that you have been let down.
00:54:07.000I wonder if you could reiterate what you think those differences and distinctions have been now so I can understand.
00:54:16.000So just this past week, when we were in session here in Washington, Congress was in session, and we were having an important vote on our Department of Defense Appropriation Bill.
00:54:28.000That's the funding bill that funds our military, extremely important bill.
00:54:32.000And I widely supported pretty much everything in the bill, especially pay raises for our military men and women, as well as supporting the defense of the United States of America.
00:54:45.000Within this bill is foreign aid, foreign aid for foreign countries and foreign aid for foreign disasters, etc.
00:54:54.000So I entered in amendments to strip out the foreign aid, and I'll go through what they were.
00:55:00.000One of them was $15 million to educate soldiers in Africa about providing activities for education about how to not get AIDS.
00:55:12.000Russell, I really hope to God that by now people know how to not get AIDS.
00:55:18.000And I don't know why the American people have to pay $15 million for that for soldiers, adult men, adult soldiers in Africa.
00:57:12.000Their government provides government-funded health care, government-subsidized college tuition.
00:57:19.000That's not happening here in the United States for the American people, but yet the United States government gives Israel $3.8 billion every single year.
00:57:29.000And then in our defense appropriations bill was an additional $500 million to go to Israel.
00:57:35.000So my argument was, hey, we're hurting over here in America.
00:58:03.000AOC, the darling of the progressive left, the one that claims to be against all the wars and wants to lead, cares about people, cares about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, wants to stop the genocide.
00:58:19.000She would not do it and she got called out hard.
00:58:22.000So there's a lot happening and there's a lot of details that are important.
00:58:25.000Even in the answer to this one question, which was as you identified, admittedly a broad question, there's quite a lot for us to unpack and diagnose.
00:58:33.000One, it seems that the kind of misadventures that were characterized by the USAID Farago continue in a more diffuse way.
00:58:43.000I think most people will think it's ridiculous to hear that 15 million of aid is being sent to an African nation in order for people to be educated about AIDS, adult male soldiers makes it especially ridiculous.
00:58:54.000I suppose possibly I try to, as I'm sure any sensible orator does, envisage the response of an adversary.
00:59:03.000And I'm sure they would say, no, Marjorie Taylor Greene has mischaracterized that $50 million.
00:59:08.000It was for something totally valid and exceptional or useful.
00:59:15.000But we all know that a significant part of the mandate of Donald Trump was America first.
00:59:20.000That's what people, it seems, were largely galvanized by.
00:59:24.000And I don't particularly see that as selfish, solipsistic, inward gazing, or hateful or unchristian.
00:59:30.000I see it as a country that needs to pivot in order to retain, in some instances, the dignity of your great nation.
00:59:41.000I suppose the aspect of your answer that's going to elicit the most interest for our audience is the fact that there are still significant, there's still significant financial, in addition to military aid, going to Israel, even though there's a wide conversation publicly about both the ethics and expedience of that.
00:59:58.000And I see that you're approaching the argument primarily financially and from the perspective of an American politician, which, of course, is your actual perspective and the position you stand in.
01:00:08.000And I obviously strongly identify with that.
01:00:12.000Now, do you see no, as you seem to indicate in your answer, no distinction between giving aid to Ukraine, Jordan, or Israel?
01:00:19.000Do you think there's anything in particular about the relationship with the United States of America with Israel that's not shared with America's relationship with Ukraine, which seems to have sort of a military, geopolitical component, a financial component, seems to demonstrate the ongoing power of the military-industrial complex?
01:00:38.000Jordan, there are some people, detractors of Trump, so think his relationship with the United Arab Emirates nations is dubious, even somewhat visibly and laughably.
01:00:46.000Hillary Clinton mocking him, of course, for that jet, even though through the Clinton Foundation, they took significant aid from comparable nations much earlier.
01:00:55.000But it is Israel likely that people will be interested in, and I wonder if you consider that for good or for ill, there is something unique about your country's financial, military, and ideological relationship with the state of Israel?
01:01:06.000Well, I think it's important to recognize that Americans are the most generous people in the world.
01:01:12.000They donate compared to any other country, Americans on their own privately donate more money than any other country in the world.
01:01:21.000They donate to all kinds of causes all over the world, to hunger, to AIDS, to educating children, stopping child sex trafficking.
01:01:30.000Americans are genuinely generous people.
01:02:56.000My job title is literally representative of the people.
01:03:00.000We're obligated to fund and defend the American people and solve our problems here.
01:03:06.000And so this is becoming such a loud cry that it spans the left and the right.
01:03:12.000It's completely all across all political boundaries that Americans are getting so fed up that they're seeing past the lines of politicians, past the lines of Republican and Democrat, and they're saying, who in Congress is actually going to finally stand up and say no more foreign aid, no more funding of foreign wars, no more foreign intervention.
01:03:34.000And when is our representative government going to represent us?
01:03:38.000So in fact, your position is, and you believe it's the position of the majority of Americans, and I find it hard to dispute that, is we don't want to aid foreign wars anymore.
01:03:50.000Neither do we want to fund really anything.
01:03:52.000And even if it's a sort of a comic example like Sesame Street in Iran or sort of condoms for people in a war zone or some of the ridiculous USAID examples, or even if it's something that's somewhat more legitimate, you would say in a simple matter of prioritization with America having the various crises that it has had,
01:04:11.000whether they're economic or geological, the recent tragic floods in Texas, and the ongoing drug crisis, mental health crisis, homeless crisis in your country, all those things should be put first, which in some ways are, would it be fair to say, sort of, I'm a Christian, I know you're a Christian, but some people might argue that that's a sort of socialist position, like that social care and welfare should be afforded to drug addicts, the mentally ill, the homeless.
01:04:42.000If there were some miracle where the administration of the United States would say, like, yeah, we are going to stop military aid, and gosh, Lord alone knows what kind of obstacles there would be to stopping military and financial aid to Israel and Ukraine and Jordan.
01:04:56.000You can imagine the fanfare, the conflagration and the hysteria.
01:05:00.000But if that were miraculously achieved, are you saying that your position would be that you would support social projects that are helping homeless people, getting business owners back on their feet, helping the mentally ill, ending the drug crisis, which we all know in the end amounts to attacking large interests in both in real estate, in pharma?
01:05:18.000We know how the fentanyl crisis came about.
01:05:20.000So if you are going to represent the people, doesn't that mean in the end, initially, there should be a stemming of the hemorrhaging of American financial aid to foreign nations, whether that's for war or other projects, all of them, maybe.
01:05:37.000And two, would you support and how would you support, at least in the context of a contemporary political environment, socialist projects that amount to welfare for the poor?
01:05:48.000How do them things tally, Congresswoman Green?
01:06:31.000Their generation, the 20s, even the 30-year-olds, and then of course the kids coming up behind them, they literally have no hope for the future.
01:06:39.000Right now, rent is ridiculously expensive.
01:06:43.000Buying a home is totally out of reach.
01:06:46.000They don't know if they'll ever be able to buy a home.
01:06:48.000And a few of them have, but most of them cannot.
01:07:09.000That came on from the Affordable Care Act, which is Obamacare, which totally started, laid the groundwork for government control of health insurance.
01:07:17.000And what it did is it reduced the amount of competition in the industry.
01:07:22.000And a lot of health insurance companies went out of business.
01:09:11.000So as you move closer to the center of power, it seems to me as an observer that it's extraordinary that you could have such robust views that are so antithetical to how these systems and structures operate and continue to operate.
01:09:29.000You are a kind of independent media creator's dream in that you're clickbaitable, you're aggressive for the way you speak.