Stay Free - Russel Brand - The Voice of the People — or a Threat to Democracy? - SF617

00:06:30.000 Financially rewarded for that, as well as it being reassuring for my family's future in an economic time of strife, trouble, chaos, disillusionment, fracture, and diaspora, which are some of the things I'll be talking about. 0.80

00:06:43.000 Yes, with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:06:45.000 Is she the kind of politician that we need? 1.00

00:06:48.000 I.e., she has integrity, she's kind of earthy, she's connected to her voter base, her demographic, her constituency. 0.82

00:06:56.000 We'll be talking about all of that.

00:06:57.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:06:59.000 Remember, on the show tomorrow from DC, we've got Dr. Oz, head of the CMS, and his wife, Lisa Oz, joining us in studio to talk about the complexity of Maha principles in government.

00:07:11.000 If your personal health, spiritual and psychological sovereignty is contingent on the falling of many behemoths, on the capture and fall of many Leviathans, what chance is there for it happening?

00:07:23.000 Also, what we're going to be talking about today with Charles Eisenstein, whose influential book, Sacred Economics, really preempted the cryptocurrency revolution and indicated that even financial and fiduciary exchange ought be undergirded with spiritual goodwill.

00:07:41.000 If there are any of you kind of crypto bros out there, let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.

00:07:46.000 And if you're watching us on YouTube or X or any of those places, get on over to Rumble where we can talk freely about Barack Obama and the recent revelations around the Russia hoax.

00:07:57.000 Join us here where we can talk about AOC, Marjorie Taylor Greene's just outright causer of fraud. 1.00

00:08:01.000 You're going to love that kind of stuff, I reckon, aren't you, guys?

00:08:04.000 But remember, come to Rumble to watch this show because YouTube is restrictive.

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00:08:09.000 It's ultimately an arm of legacy media that controls and constricts your ability to even receive truth, let alone understand it, if such a thing were possible.

00:08:18.000 Now, Charles, if you could get on mic for us, one of the things that like, like we've chatted a few times when I've seen you in and around the Kennedy campaign when he was still running as an independent and even when he made his extraordinary and now one would have to argue successful alliance with the Trump administration.

00:08:36.000 But before that, many people will be familiar with your writing, Sacred Economics in particular.

00:08:40.000 But when you wrote that book, not books, long essay on coronavirus, I thought it was a kind of a pivotal moment, certainly in my own understanding, where you identified that what coronavirus had brought to the forefront, if I'm understanding what you wrote correctly, was a kind of inability for us to address mortality because of a sort of spiritual crisis, a spiritual crisis at the heart of our culture, even beyond America.

00:09:04.000 A pandemic by its nature is global.

00:09:06.000 Where do you think that crisis, that spiritual crisis, that inability to process death, that inability to accept reality is now?

00:09:14.000 Now that we have Trump in office, now that we have Bobby Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, excuse me, as head of the HHS, now that we have the disappointment and disillusionment of the Epstein file, that peculiar synecdoche that essentially stands for, you didn't let us know about the baddies and the Gates and the Clintons and the Obamas and all of their occultist practices.

00:09:37.000 What was revealed in COVID and where is that revelation now?

00:09:42.000 Now that Trump is not a sort of a renegade totem of nationalist and populist and interests, but he is the president of the United States and a man with significant power, seemingly still controlled by some of the interests that would have existed if Kamal Harris was in office.

00:09:59.000 Well, that's an awful lot.

00:10:00.000 Yeah, but you've got ages.

00:10:03.000 You can take a long time to answer and you can ponder it.

00:10:05.000 Plus, you could use the time when I'm asking the questions to think of a few.

00:10:09.000 Well, you're so entertaining to listen to that it paralyzes all thought.

00:10:15.000 I hope you put that to good use sometimes.

00:10:17.000 I've used to actually use it to sleep around a lot, but it turns out that I should have been more circumspect about how that could be utilized subsequently.

00:10:25.000 Yeah.

00:10:27.000 You know, one thing I'll say, Trump, as his name indicates, you know, a Trump card in a deck is a wild card, a joker, which can be any card.

00:10:39.000 So he's almost custom-made to be a projection screen.

00:10:50.000 Like the actual man, Trump, who he is, is very different, very different than the totality of all the projections of what he is.

00:11:02.000 And that lends him very well to mythological narratives.

00:11:05.000 So one of these narratives is the archetype of disclosure, where all of the secrets, all of the truth, all of the secret history is going to be made plain, all of the crimes, and we're finally going to have justice.

00:11:24.000 We're going to know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

00:11:27.000 We're going to understand how the world works.

00:11:31.000 Because the shadows will have been revealed.

00:11:33.000 I don't think that that day is ever going to come until we are psychologically and spiritually prepared for it.

00:11:42.000 Man, the archetype of disclosure, I was about to say, well, what is that?

00:11:45.000 And then I thought, Hermes and stealing Apollo's cattle and Prometheus stealing fire and any mythic figure that has granted fire stolen from the gods and given it to the population.

00:11:57.000 I suppose that is that archetype.

00:11:59.000 Now, I myself in my own museums have considered that Trump sit, like that, I know what I projected onto Trump.

00:12:05.000 I know why I became and remain to a point enamored of Trump.

00:12:10.000 My am more towards Trump is no different than any one of a billion metropolitan Democrat intellectuals that would say, well, you know, we know the Democrats ain't great, but they're the best of a, you know, the best, least, worst option, all that kind of stuff.

00:12:28.000 I came to realize during the campaign, Trump is a bulwark and an obstacle to globalist imperialist interests, which if not interrupted now, I believe could reach a kind of Huxley-esque, Orwellian, and perhaps most alarmingly of all, Kafka-esque level of bureaucratic control, where the fugue of their compassion will consume us all, and we will all be carrying ID, and we will all be inoculated from everything, perhaps, but breathing, and maybe on some occasions that.

00:12:57.000 And what I personally projected onto Trump was this guy is anti-media, which he is, you know, like he certainly understands media very well.

00:13:06.000 When he's saying you can't trust the media, they're liars.

00:13:09.000 And I'm a person who feels like I've been lied about by media.

00:13:12.000 I'm like, yeah, there he goes, my guy.

00:13:15.000 Now, it's not as simple as that because I, you know, I admire his entrepreneurialism, I enjoy his rhetorical style, I enjoy his sense of humor, and I respect the office of the President of the United States.

00:13:26.000 But this idea that he somehow has a set of attributes that allow us to project onto him, do you think that all political leaders have that?

00:13:34.000 Or do you think that's particular and unique?

00:13:37.000 It's especially true of him.

00:13:40.000 But, you know, I think one thing that COVID did is it really, for a lot of people who hadn't questioned normality before, it really dissolved the veil and showed us like people had like a deep-seated anxiety about the direction of our civilization.

00:14:04.000 And COVID kind of gave us a preview of where we were going anyway.

00:14:09.000 You know, the trend toward more and more of life happening online, the trend toward fear and technocratic control, the distancing of human beings, the migration of shopping, education, dating, conversation onto digital media.

00:14:36.000 Like none of that started in 2020.

00:14:41.000 These are all trends that have been going on for a long time.

00:14:43.000 So it kind of showed, COVID gave us a preview of where we were headed and said, is this what you actually want?

00:14:52.000 Because this is where we have been on autopilot going.

00:14:58.000 And by making an unconscious choice conscious, it actually gives us a choice.

00:15:05.000 And a lot of people welcomed the interruption of normality that happened with the first lockdowns.

00:15:14.000 But underneath it, the fear narrative and the intensification of not just technologies of control, but also the mentality of,

00:15:32.000 I would even call it progress, that says that human progress means that we exert more and more precise control over the body, over transactions, over economics, over human choices, over society.

00:15:57.000 We put everything, this is the dream, you put everything into a data set.

00:16:02.000 And then you can use essentially mathematics and predictive technologies to prevent crime, to reduce carbon emissions, whatever your goal is.

00:16:20.000 As long as everything is surveilled and accounted for, then you know what to do.

00:16:27.000 But what is the purpose of life?

00:16:30.000 Is it to be as safe as possible until you die?

00:16:35.000 And this is what you were talking about before, like the phobia of death and the avoidance of death and the pretense that we're not going to die that comes through in the obsessive worship of youth, the sequestering of old people away in nursing homes, the euphemisms and the regime of safety that is used to justify everything, which is also fundamental to fascism.

00:17:05.000 Fascism is also about security.

00:17:09.000 And finding something, see, you have to find something external to control, to fight against, to dominate in order to gather the fascistic us.

00:17:24.000 You need a them. 0.91

00:17:26.000 And so that could be a virus.

00:17:28.000 It could be, you know, a racial or ethnic minority.

00:17:32.000 It could be immigrants.

00:17:33.000 Right and left both do this.

00:17:35.000 It could be right-wing extremists.

00:17:38.000 But the basic pattern is, let me tell you who the bad guys are.

00:17:42.000 That's the first step.

00:17:44.000 Once the ringleader, the bully, has pointed the finger at the bad guys, then mob psychology does the rest.

00:17:54.000 And nobody dares get close to you, Russell, because you have been tainted. 0.98

00:18:00.000 You've got cooties. 0.95

00:18:02.000 Even an accusation is enough because then all of us have this grade school level instinct to stay away from you.

00:18:15.000 Like I got flack when I was first on your podcast a number of years ago.

00:18:19.000 People were like, you were on a podcast with the same guy who also interviewed Jordan Peterson.

00:18:28.000 Please denounce and repudiate Russell Brand so that I can stay associated with you because you now have his cooties because he has Jordan Peterson's cooties. 0.97

00:18:41.000 And now I've got Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s cooties and he has Trump's cooties. 0.93

00:18:46.000 So it is unsafe to be associated with you. 0.95

00:18:52.000 And now, because I'm talking to you, with me.

00:18:54.000 This Cooties pandemic that we're going to have to tackle, I suggest a vaccine. 1.00

00:18:59.000 We've clinically trialed it on up to eight mouses.

00:19:02.000 Moderna will be releasing the Cooties vaccine any moment now.

00:19:07.000 It does have some side effects.

00:19:09.000 A little bit of myocarditis.

00:19:10.000 You might get some dizzy spells and you might find that you don't have the ability to get, maintain, or even look at an erection.

00:19:17.000 But all these things are a small price to pay for Sweet Lady Freedom.

00:19:21.000 Now, I've got a lot of questions for you, Charles, and here they are.

00:19:23.000 It's going to come in the form of a great big long monologue.

00:19:25.000 If you're watching this on YouTube or X or wherever you're watching us, make your way to Rumble Rumble Premium or Rumble Premium.

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00:19:35.000 We'll stay on YouTube for a moment longer and X for a moment longer because I want to put this question to you and provide some additional context for those of you watching and those of you chatting.

00:19:42.000 Let me know if you have any comments or, well, obviously, comments you're going to just do freely. 0.95

00:19:46.000 You free speech advocates, you raconteurs, you maniacs, you lunatics, you dinglings. 1.00

00:19:51.000 This is what I want to say. 0.95

00:19:53.000 Charles comes from a sort of, I don't know about this if I'm if I'm characterizing you correctly here, but this is how I encountered you in the culture.

00:19:59.000 You're kind of one of them intellectuals that emerged out of an era that kind of brought together ayahuasca, psychedelics, new for understanding of technology, a sort of nouveau shamanism, an attempt to sort of extract meaning out of this increasingly nihilistic world.

00:20:15.000 When you were offering, and I know that, you know, you have a particular kind of contamination.

00:20:19.000 Yeah, you've got cross-pollinated now because you've got RFK cooties, you've got RB cooties.

00:20:24.000 I mean, you are a kind of menagerie of viruses at this point, Charles.

00:20:29.000 But in a sense, I always saw your kind of natural home as a kind of, you're an intellectual, you're an accredited intellectual, you're sort of a liberal progressive intellectual.

00:20:38.000 Something very strange happened in our culture a little while ago, and I don't feel like the pieces have really coalesced well enough yet for us to make out the mosaic and new patterns that may emerge from this endless fracturing of taxonomies and this tumbling of false idols.

00:20:55.000 This is what I feel is when this safety control dynamic that you're describing, that we can keep you safe, there's a peculiar eschatological position that's being taken here, that when you deny God, part of what you do is you sort of somehow attempt to replace God, that there is a requirement for God.

00:21:15.000 And I know of apologists, notably Joseph Boot, who makes the claim that the state, and of course, that the state, in its secular claim that there is no God, that God is dead, is attempting to replace that very God that it is renouncing and claiming doesn't exist.

00:21:36.000 And in the following ways, some of the things you said in your first answer, other than the repeated use of the term cooties, which I didn't allow to diminish the tone of the whole show, is you talk about worship.

00:21:48.000 You talked about fear of death.

00:21:50.000 You talk about purpose and meaning.

00:21:52.000 In this visit to DC, I've also going to be having, I've had a conversation with Margaret, excuse me, Marjorie, Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:21:59.000 That's coming up in a minute.

00:22:01.000 But we've also spoken to the head of the CMS, Dr. Oz, and his wife, Lisa Ros, who's running the Maha Movement.

00:22:05.000 I know you were affiliated with the Maha Movement and Moment.

00:22:08.000 And that was very extraordinary, I think.

00:22:10.000 And with a more objective media, I think it would have been noted that something strange was happening when a figure as marginal, peripheral, and controversial as Robert Kennedy, a man who has said, you know, who's allowed himself to be affiliated with an idea such as it's possible that vaccines contribute to childhood autism.

00:22:29.000 We should examine that.

00:22:31.000 A man who is a lawyer has taken from some pretty significant corporations, the court, and has won.

00:22:37.000 A person who's, if, you know, when I read the real Anthony Fauci Charles, I was like, oh my God, I can't believe someone is saying this about Anthony Fauci and then have stood back in near awe as more and more of Kennedy's claims in that book have been proven to be true.

00:22:51.000 Now, there's a lot I want you to unpack here, but I see now that your answers are as long as my questions, so I feel kind of safe.

00:22:56.000 And what I want you to touch upon is what's happened to this sort of there are now people that still claim to be kind of almost metropolitan intellectuals, avant-garde intellectuals, and they still are ultimately, in a sense, carrying water for the Obama administration.

00:23:10.000 We all knew that the Russia hoax stuff would have had powerful figures behind it.

00:23:14.000 We all know or intuit or sense that even if there is no literal Epstein list, and maybe even if there weren't literal occultist sex parties, it's, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell's in prison for something.

00:23:27.000 Jeffrey Epstein killed himself for something or was evacuated from that place.

00:23:31.000 We all sense that there are elite institutions that are corruptly contributing not only to our personal incarceration, but maybe even the manifestation of deep evil.

00:23:40.000 The liberal left, that's over, isn't it?

00:23:42.000 That's not happening anymore.

00:23:44.000 There are a few people sort of shivering back there in the caves, unwilling to leave, pointing fingers at you, notably actually.

00:23:49.000 What's happened to Charles Eisenstein?

00:23:50.000 Why is he hanging out with you, whether it's Russell Brand or Bobby Kennedy or whoever?

00:23:54.000 But what I say is populism now is we have to popularize whatever messages we believe to be true.

00:24:02.000 And surely can we, Lord, trust the technology we have now to disseminate and proliferate the message.

00:24:09.000 Allow, as the right-wing folks would say, the marketplace of ideas to succeed.

00:24:13.000 And I, personally, I've become baptized, I've returned to Christ, and I kind of experience and receive what, given the nature of our relationship and the nature of this conversation, a kind of psychedelic, vivid, living Christ that is talking about consciousness itself.

00:24:29.000 He's talking about the light itself.

00:24:31.000 On the crucifix, we don't have to live in the undifferentiated, primordial superstate of potentiality that shamans and druids might do well in.

00:24:41.000 But some of us that are easily defeated by the flesh, that are easily defeated by the world, that are easily defeated by mental demons, we need to cling to that cross.

00:24:51.000 And in fact, why take the chance of clinging?

00:24:53.000 Now me on, baby.

00:24:54.000 So I wonder what you feel is going to be the revivifying movement in this weird death cult moment.

00:25:02.000 I wonder what you feel about the position of the intellectual left, the direction of the Democrat Party, the significance of Maha.

00:25:08.000 And we're going to be going to an advert after that.

00:25:11.000 So hit us, Charles.

00:25:13.000 Gosh.

00:25:16.000 First, I might just say.

00:25:18.000 Some other things you want to argue with as well.

00:25:19.000 Yeah, you don't need to accept it.

00:25:20.000 We do live in a kind of a secular religion.

00:25:26.000 And the priesthood would be the people we call scientists and doctors who administer the rituals that draw from their religious metaphysical views and contribute to those.

00:25:44.000 For example, the metaphysical views basically, these are the religious doctrines of the scientific rational worldview that you and I grew up in and that seemed to be the very essence of enlightened thought.

00:25:59.000 It's that Reality is something objective, that things that happen either happen or they don't happen independent of our consciousness, that everything real can be quantified, that there is no intelligence operating outside of what we humans impose upon the world.

00:26:24.000 We are the source of intelligence, but the events of the world are just the random concatenations of force and mass, atoms and void, bouncing around according to mathematical laws.

00:26:35.000 Therefore, progress means the progressive colonization of an empty, meaningless universe with human intelligence.

00:26:47.000 And this religion has really been dissolving because its promises have not been manifested. 0.83

00:26:58.000 The promises of social and technological utopia.

00:27:02.000 I mean, we were supposed to have, you know, we were supposed to have conquered all disease and eliminated crime and eliminated poverty and living in a paradise by now.

00:27:13.000 But instead, this is what's fueling the populism you talked about.

00:27:16.000 Things are actually getting worse and worse, even when the numbers say they're getting better and better.

00:27:22.000 But when the average child in America spends something like seven minutes a day outdoors unsupervised, when addiction and depression and autoimmunity are at epidemic levels, then no matter what the numbers say about GDP and educational attainment and poverty and all those kind of things, like we know something is wrong here.

00:27:51.000 And it goes all the way to the foundation.

00:27:54.000 So a lot of people are turning toward either new or ancient religions, other views of the world.

00:28:03.000 And the primary thing, whatever, you know, whether you're like a New Age shamanistic pagan or have returned to Orthodox Christianity, what all of those have in common is that they understand that there is an intelligence in all things, that this isn't just a random accident, and therefore that the purpose of life isn't simply to survive it.

00:28:31.000 I mean, if there is no purpose to life, if meaning and purpose are something that human beings invent, then there's nothing left but to pretend that that's not true and to survive.

00:28:47.000 Or create some sort of perpetual orgasm machine.

00:28:50.000 That's what you could do, is a machine that got you to a state of orgasm, then kept you there.

00:28:54.000 Because all you've got is pleasure.

00:28:56.000 You've tried that urban pleasure.

00:28:57.000 I tried that, but that became hell after a while.

00:29:00.000 Yes, I couldn't escape and I couldn't turn the machine off.

00:29:03.000 Sometimes the machine talks.

00:29:03.000 Nope.

00:29:05.000 I mean, this is an absolute, it's a nightmare scenario, really, Charles, the old orgasm machine, as was the heroin machine.

00:29:12.000 All of the machines don't work.

00:29:14.000 Don't trust the machines.

00:29:15.000 So yeah, in the end, you're left even with Hedonism, nihilism.

00:29:20.000 It doesn't take you to a good place.

00:29:21.000 And also, even when you were describing chaos, you talked about mathematical laws.

00:29:25.000 And so the evidence, the hieroglyphic poetry of intelligence is all about us, endless, redolent miracles and golden scales.

00:29:36.000 This started to break down in the 60s and 70s when chaos theory and the idea of emergence in non-linear dynamic systems came about, where order comes from chaos everywhere.

00:29:50.000 Life is an innate property of the universe, and God is in everything.

00:29:56.000 So this is what we're all coming to, to understand that there is, see, if there is an intelligence operating outside of ourselves, then our purpose is no longer to dominate the rest of reality, but to participate in that intelligence and to ask, how can I serve that which wants to be born?

00:30:19.000 Serve.

00:30:20.000 Serve.

00:30:21.000 Yeah, it's serve.

00:30:23.000 It's serve.

00:30:24.000 Hey, thanks, Charles.

00:30:25.000 Hey, what we're going to do now, if you're watching us on YouTube, get ready for Marjorie Taylor Green.

00:30:30.000 She is coming up. 0.98

00:30:32.000 You can fire that graphic, Dylan, and if you can find it, if you've got it, there's a 30-second countdown because YouTube, you bastard, we're leaving you. 0.96

00:30:38.000 And why wouldn't we leave you after all the deception and your participation in rumor-mongering and skull duggery and propaganda and filth and the way you use that algorithm? 0.99

00:30:48.000 You should be ashamed of yourself, Rumble.

00:30:49.000 We don't even have an algorithm.

00:30:51.000 You come over here.

00:30:52.000 If you're doing well, you'll be rewarded.

00:30:54.000 If you ain't got Rumble Premium, you ain't get Rumble Premium now.

00:30:56.000 And if you want to see Marjorie Taylor Greene really sort of quite aggressively attacking AOC, then join us.

00:31:02.000 But I think that's going to be the headline.

00:31:04.000 Also, she sort of seems to suggest that she's, you know, funded by Israel, which is a good position to have hit. 0.80

00:31:09.000 Hey, so get over.

00:31:12.000 Not Marjorie Taylor Green, incidentally, AOC.

00:31:15.000 Come on over and join us in Rumble.

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00:33:29.000 This is Russell Brand.

00:33:30.000 Stay free.

00:33:30.000 I'm live in DC.

00:33:32.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you have any questions for me or MTG or Charles Eisenstein here.

00:33:36.000 We'll be with Dr. Oz and Lisa Oz tomorrow.

00:33:39.000 Dr. Oz is, of course, the administrator of the CMS and is therefore under the stewardship, one might say, leadership certainly, of Secretary Kennedy, who worked with Charles Eisenstein for some time, I believe in an advisory capacity, because Charles Eisenstein, this is me characterizing him, and you can probably see him wince and tighten his anus as I go through this description, a kind of progressive intellectual influence by sort of psychedelic movements, kind of in a way, like you were just saying of Marjorie Taylor Greene, how she represents the collapse of left and right.

00:34:09.000 You might argue that you and I both represent the collapse of left and right.

00:34:13.000 And in a way, a good way of understanding or perhaps analysing it for a minute will be through the terms of Martin Guri's book, The Revolt of the Public, who many of our viewers will be aware was a former CIA analyst who wrote that in 2001, he noted in his position at the CIA that as much information was published that year as in all history up to that point.

00:34:31.000 And it kept doubling every year, as it has done subsequently, all the way up to 2025.

00:34:36.000 And he offered us this.

00:34:37.000 Oh no, the old elites and centralized institutions will not be able to control information being disseminated at this scale this quickly.

00:34:47.000 It's over.

00:34:48.000 New elites have not yet been instantiated or certainly infroned that will be able to handle the new dynamics.

00:34:55.000 What we will see will be arguments to centralized authority, centralized authority, excuse me, through fear, likely war, crisis, pandemics, and to break down authority and to return to localized forms of government, community and control, which is, of course, what we continually advocate for on this show, partly to diffuse the constant, incessant, unbearable arguments in the culture around identity, to name but one thing.

00:35:22.000 If you have localized authority, if you use current technology to maximise our ability to run our own communities, wouldn't that represent huge, huge progress, real progress at this time?

00:35:33.000 I wonder, Charles, how you see that broad argument.

00:35:39.000 Are we in a struggle to control information?

00:35:42.000 As you seem to indicate earlier when you were talking about safety, like safety and control, the desire to turn the world into one sort of giant airport where to keep you safe, you've got to take your shoes off and maybe have your bottom looked up.

00:35:56.000 That's not a suggestion, by the way.

00:35:58.000 I trust that there's nothing in anyone's bottom.

00:36:01.000 Yes.

00:36:02.000 I start from that premise.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, so this collapse of left and right, this is where I came to see the division in society as the fundamental problem.

00:36:21.000 Because all of our other problems are technically easy to solve if we simply agreed on solutions that are even pretty obvious.

00:36:30.000 But instead, we are expending 95% of our energy fighting each other.

00:36:36.000 And so this left-right dichotomy, I think I've heard you even say this before.

00:36:45.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:36:46.000 Like, since when is advocating civil liberties now right-wing?

00:36:51.000 Or since when is suspicion of mega pharma corporations right-wing or opposition to the weaponization of the Justice Department and the courts?

00:37:10.000 Since when is that right-wing?

00:37:11.000 Well, when you see the solution to whatever problem as winning a battle over the other side, in other words, when you see that your side, when you believe that your side is the good guys and they are the bad guys, then any means is justified in order to win the battle.

00:37:37.000 So the formula is, for example, Donald Trump evil.

00:37:41.000 Donald Trump Darth Vader.

00:37:43.000 So yeah, so okay, you know, we cheated in all these different ways, but it's justified because, you know, if he gets into office, it's going to be the second coming of Hitler. 0.97

00:37:55.000 And, you know, we have to use any means necessary, even inventing entire Russian collusion hoaxes in order to stop him.

00:38:05.000 And if you don't exert every iota of your being to join this battle, then you are responsible for the ascension of the next Hitler. 0.89

00:38:19.000 So it's this casting of the drama into terms of good versus evil.

00:38:25.000 That is itself the problem.

00:38:28.000 Because once you've done that, then you yourself become evil because any means is justified to attain your end.

00:38:36.000 And your end simply becomes the brand logo of your team in its campaign of total war against the other.

00:38:47.000 This mindset, this mindset is itself the problem.

00:38:52.000 Because look at any time you set up an other and you set up A drama where healing, transformation, et cetera, et cetera, comes through defeating the other.

00:39:08.000 You get Gaza. 0.92

00:39:10.000 You get Palestine. 0.99

00:39:12.000 Those are the others, and here's the self.

00:39:15.000 The Republicans are the other, and the good people, we're the good people.

00:39:20.000 And so when I got involved in politics, and then when Bobby Kennedy joined Trump, I was like, look, guys, you're not understanding the situation.

00:39:31.000 This is not Bobby joined evil.

00:39:35.000 This whole global template that you have to make sense of the world is an inheritance of an ancient mistake that puts us in opposition.

00:39:50.000 Because where did evil come from?

00:39:52.000 That whole concept.

00:39:53.000 Originally, evil was the wild.

00:39:56.000 It was the barbarians. 1.00

00:39:58.000 And it was the wild beasts.

00:40:01.000 And good was cultivation, civilization, the city walls.

00:40:07.000 And outside of that was chaos.

00:40:10.000 So originally, good was order, and evil was chaos.

00:40:13.000 And it was a program of conquest.

00:40:17.000 So the legacy of that way of thinking traps us into the same results again and again and again.

00:40:26.000 The same results of the war to end evil, the war to end all wars, the final solution. 0.66

00:40:33.000 Same thing.

00:40:34.000 And so I said, look, guys, if you're going to cast the entire MAGA movement as just a bunch of crazed xenophobes and bigots who are, you know, just channeling the worst impulses of the human being, then there is no, you're, You're not going to understand their situation.

00:41:00.000 And you're going to replicate the same pattern that has locked humanity in horrific drama ever since history began.

00:41:09.000 So, like, that, and for saying that, people blame, you know, me personally, actually, for getting Donald Trump elected.

00:41:19.000 And I'm like, no, even if you had defeated Donald Trump, there will be another one and another one and another one as long as you do not recognize and acknowledge the way that your own party and your own movement has betrayed its original ideals and used those simply as a brand logo.

00:41:41.000 Also, that betrayal now, I think, is so entrenched and the ideals are so remote, so lost, almost invisible in some fallen garden by this point, that it's a claim that can no longer be made.

00:41:53.000 And I now see sort of Trump as the harbinger of a different type of politics forever.

00:41:59.000 And I don't even mean with the aspects of his character that pertain to entrepreneurialism or nationalism or bombast or charm or a good sense of humour or like, you know, take good or bad.

00:42:09.000 There's, of course, a variety of attributes in the human being.

00:42:12.000 What I mean is there's something more significant than that is changing.

00:42:16.000 And I think you can see it even in the first year of his administration in the fissures and fractures that are emerging within it, whether that's around the Epstein list, whether it's the sort of Elon Musk's rhetoric and potential action around new parties.

00:42:32.000 I think the changes are going to be enormous and significant and rapid and fascinating.

00:42:38.000 I would take issue with your notion of the emergence of issue of evil, excuse me, because I recognise that from a sort of a social perspective, settlers versus itinerant people is an ongoing source of tension, the nomads v the settlers.

00:42:55.000 I understand that.

00:42:57.000 But from a scriptural perspective, what I note is that the position of submission that might come from one who accepts this God and would serve this God that we discussed in sort of broader terms, but obviously I'm discussing from a Christian perspective, comes about mostly when one is able to reject this premise.

00:43:17.000 And there's a bit of verse that really helped me with this.

00:43:21.000 It is Luke 10, 18.

00:43:23.000 And it was this, that when the disciples, when the 72 disciples go out and do healing, not just the 12, they are casting out demons and conducting healings.

00:43:32.000 And they return somewhat hubristically, one might imagine, from Christ's response to them when he says, after they went, we were healing people.

00:43:39.000 We were casting out demons.

00:43:40.000 It's unbelievable.

00:43:41.000 He says, I was there.

00:43:43.000 I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

00:43:46.000 You will conduct many healings.

00:43:48.000 You will move among snakes and scorpions for your names are written in the heavens.

00:43:54.000 I see this in this way, mate, and obviously all of you as well.

00:44:00.000 That Lucifer's true crime, Satan's sin, the original sin that chronologically at least must precede the sin of mankind, us, the sin of disobedience, the sin of not following basic edicts, of not following authority of eaten from the tree of knowledge.

00:44:18.000 And I recognize there are many metaphors that you could use there when it comes to altered states and transcendence, surely.

00:44:23.000 But what I would like to acknowledge and highlight is that in the disobedience of Satan, what was brought forth was the idea that we are sovereign.

00:44:35.000 I am God.

00:44:36.000 I am in charge of my reality.

00:44:38.000 This is Lucifer's hubris and pride.

00:44:40.000 I want to compete with God.

00:44:41.000 I don't want to surrender to God.

00:44:45.000 What I note as a convenient adjunct and analogy in myself is when I close the circuit that one might see as neurological in myself and collapse into a kind of self-service or self-pity or anything that's dominated by self, I become kind of redundant and you might call it evil, like somehow inertly evil, because I will tender to the urges.

00:45:09.000 I will worship the pantheon of inner humours or deities.

00:45:14.000 I will worship my own assertiveness or my own will or aggression or my own urges or my own lasciviousness.

00:45:19.000 All of those things are driven to the forefront.

00:45:22.000 In this state of submission, this openness, which is referred to elsewhere in scripture, particularly in the Old Testament, as a kind of living flow of water that we oughtn't interrupt with a system, that we oughtn't try to foreclose.

00:45:32.000 Allow the flow to happen.

00:45:33.000 You are part of the living flow is offered again and again in Jeremiah and Isaiah, throughout the Psalms.

00:45:38.000 Allow the holy water, consciousness itself, the light, allow it to flow, allow it to flow.

00:45:43.000 That in this state, the dynamic of we are not available to evil in that state.

00:45:52.000 As soon as we sort of collapse from a kind of wave into a particle, as soon as I, absolutely myself, as soon as I collapse into self, I'm not available for God anymore.

00:46:03.000 So whilst I can see that what you're saying is to some degree accurate when it comes to sort of social dynamics, preceding social dynamics must be the individuals and indeed the consciousness that fuels the individuals.

00:46:16.000 And how I recognize the value of scripture, which of course is preempting all of these conversations about meaning and purpose and sex and lust and power and all of these things, is that when I remain in this state of submission, not to any authority other than God's, to no authority other than God's, not to government authority, not suddenly to the authority of my own imperious urges, that I become a participant in God's grace, almost to the point where it could be aspatial and atemporal.

00:46:43.000 And it's interesting that that has sort of packed in it a bunch of kind of quite Eastern and maybe Buddhist ideas about identity and not worshiping identity.

00:46:53.000 And in fact, they're not being a self or an I. And also, though, what I get in Christ that I can't get anywhere else is that without him, without the actual and literal surrender to the man Christ as much as the God Christ, I am no longer centrifugal.

00:47:08.000 I'm no better than anybody else.

00:47:11.000 I have no value that no one else, that isn't shared by anybody else.

00:47:14.000 Not that I don't have unique attributes or qualities or whatever, but that I don't have a value unto him that is worth anything else.

00:47:20.000 And for someone like me that was so devout to the culture, which leads us to individualism, I think it's so clear that rationalism in the end, without God, without the divine, I'm not saying that reason itself isn't a good tool.

00:47:31.000 Of course, it obviously is.

00:47:32.000 But reason without divine principle leads to individualism, materialism, selfishness, Epicureanism, not in a good way.

00:47:39.000 As you earlier said, what else is there?

00:47:42.000 Only pleasure.

00:47:43.000 Like, you know, there is a God.

00:47:45.000 So without God, I'm God.

00:47:47.000 And I just can't ever be in that position again.

00:47:49.000 And thankfully, I don't have to be because someone took that on themselves.

00:47:53.000 God, God, in the end, it isn't even really just pleasure.

00:47:58.000 You know, I mean, you've had the experience of being an addict, you know, and it's a lie.

00:48:04.000 It's a deception.

00:48:04.000 I mean, maybe there's pleasure the first ten times, but eventually you just need the fix even to feel normal.

00:48:14.000 And ultimately, I understand God as being significantly different.

00:48:29.000 God is not opposed to our pleasure.

00:48:32.000 Pleasure is not something that we have to sacrifice in order to serve God.

00:48:40.000 We have to actually get really serious about what gives us actual pleasure.

00:48:47.000 Pleasure comes from meeting a need.

00:48:51.000 That's why it feels good to eat when you're hungry.

00:48:54.000 But we have a lot of needs that are much, much deeper than those that can be met by food or sleep.

00:49:00.000 There is only one breath, Charles.

00:49:00.000 Yes.

00:49:04.000 All of these things are in there.

00:49:05.000 That's the thing.

00:49:06.000 I thought that my brilliant, brilliant, fast little brain would eventually find some sort of quirk anomaly that I could use to sidestep him, the hound of heaven, as he's been called in poetry.

00:49:16.000 But everywhere, through a metaphor, meaning is provided.

00:49:20.000 The ultimate storyteller tells stories.

00:49:22.000 The ultimate storytellers tell stories, and you can't have story without meaning.

00:49:26.000 It's the embodiment of meaning.

00:49:28.000 Meaning, meaning self is impacting the Christ.

00:49:30.000 Now, I know you could probably do two hours on that, but the simple fact is this.

00:49:34.000 I'm hungry.

00:49:35.000 I'm very, very hungry.

00:49:36.000 And when you said, when you're hungry, something in me captured me very, very powerfully.

00:49:40.000 The barbarians burst through that gate. 0.85

00:49:42.000 They grabbed me by the gullet and they demand to be fed.

00:49:45.000 Charles, thank you for joining me today.

00:49:47.000 It's magnificent.

00:49:48.000 I hope our conversation goes on in a variety of arenas and forums because there's lots of talk about.

00:49:53.000 We've got to talk to you about, you know, God and theology at some point.

00:49:56.000 We've got to.

00:49:57.000 What are we going to do?

00:49:57.000 I'll have something to eat now.

00:49:59.000 Come to the Bible Museum.

00:50:00.000 Come back.

00:50:00.000 Hey, thanks for joining us, Charles.

00:50:02.000 That was really good.

00:50:03.000 What are you doing?

00:50:04.000 Running?

00:50:04.000 Hey, staying fit.

00:50:05.000 I always ask you that.

00:50:06.000 I know I do.

00:50:06.000 And then I think you always say you don't do any running.

00:50:09.000 You don't look like you've got much.

00:50:11.000 Swim in the ocean.

00:50:11.000 Swimming in the ocean.

00:50:12.000 No, I think I just have some kind of genetic anomaly.

00:50:15.000 You certainly just do.

00:50:16.000 Can't put on weight.

00:50:18.000 You can't do it.

00:50:18.000 It can't be done.

00:50:19.000 Hey, thanks for joining us, Charles Eisenstein.

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00:52:40.000 Thanks for joining us, Congress.

00:52:43.000 Thanks for having me.

00:52:44.000 I'm with Marjorie Taylor Green, of course.

00:52:45.000 Marjorie, when I first met you, it was at the Milwaukee RNC Republican National Convention.

00:52:52.000 And what I felt was that Marjorie Taylor Greene, and this is given that I come from a somewhat more liberal background and I'm British and stuff, I don't know if you know that about me, I felt that it was, I thought this is the kind of person that you want in politics and it's politics that should change rather than Marjorie Taylor Greene if politics can't accommodate her.

00:53:12.000 What I mean by that is people that seem connected to their class, to their community, to their nature.

00:53:16.000 And I said before also, I think in one of your spats with high-profile feminists of the left, likely AOC, but possibly others, I said that were Marjorie Taylor Greene a figure of the left, her femininity would be celebrated, but it's regarded as kind of obnoxious.

00:53:30.000 And I think there are some narratives around class about that.

00:53:32.000 But also I feel like I also feel it's obviously a sort of a partisan idea.

00:53:40.000 Now, like one of the things I've generally felt for a while is that politics has become divorced from the people that it's supposed to govern.

00:53:45.000 Indeed, one of the obvious components of Trump's rise to power has been that he seems like a person who's connected to people.

00:53:53.000 Can you please tell me how different it's been from moving from the campaign phase that we were plainly at when we met at the Republican National Convention to where you are now in office, in Congress, in government, in administration, in power?

00:54:04.000 You've been quite outspoken about some of the areas where you feel that you have been let down.

00:54:07.000 I wonder if you could reiterate what you think those differences and distinctions have been now so I can understand.

00:54:13.000 Broad question, deep issues.

00:54:15.000 Well, I'll give you an example.

00:54:16.000 So just this past week, when we were in session here in Washington, Congress was in session, and we were having an important vote on our Department of Defense Appropriation Bill.

00:54:28.000 That's the funding bill that funds our military, extremely important bill.

00:54:32.000 And I widely supported pretty much everything in the bill, especially pay raises for our military men and women, as well as supporting the defense of the United States of America.

00:54:45.000 Within this bill is foreign aid, foreign aid for foreign countries and foreign aid for foreign disasters, etc.

00:54:54.000 So I entered in amendments to strip out the foreign aid, and I'll go through what they were.

00:55:00.000 One of them was $15 million to educate soldiers in Africa about providing activities for education about how to not get AIDS.

00:55:12.000 Russell, I really hope to God that by now people know how to not get AIDS.

00:55:18.000 And I don't know why the American people have to pay $15 million for that for soldiers, adult men, adult soldiers in Africa.

00:55:25.000 It's simple.

00:55:26.000 So I'll keep going, though. 0.97

00:55:28.000 It gets more ridiculous.

00:55:29.000 $118 million for humanitarian aid in situations like floods.

00:55:37.000 In Texas, we just had a catastrophic flood that killed hundreds of people.

00:55:42.000 It's so devastating.

00:55:44.000 And $118 million has to be funded on the front end to help other countries and their floods.

00:55:50.000 I'm sorry.

00:55:51.000 Not that one had happened, but just in case one did, we would love to see that $118 million go to the people in Texas.

00:55:58.000 Okay, here were the other ones.

00:55:59.000 $500 million for Jordan.

00:56:01.000 $500 million for Israel.

00:56:06.000 Yeah, $500 million for Taiwan.

00:56:09.000 So I had entered amendments to strip those monies out.

00:56:12.000 And here was the hypocrisy.

00:56:14.000 They all failed.

00:56:16.000 All of these amendments failed.

00:56:18.000 I also had an amendment to block any funding to go to Ukraine.

00:56:22.000 Ukraine is not a member of NATO.

00:56:25.000 We are not obligated contractually to fund that war, fund that government, pay for anything there.

00:56:31.000 The American people are so tired of it.

00:56:32.000 So when you talk about the disconnect between leaders in Washington, D.C. and the American people, the disconnect is broad and wide.

00:56:42.000 But here was what was exposed, and I'll just go on one of them.

00:56:45.000 The amendment that pulled, that would strip the 500 million that goes to Israel.

00:56:50.000 Now, here, I want to give some context on that because I support the people of Israel.

00:56:54.000 I support people in all kinds of countries all over the world.

00:56:58.000 I want the best for everyone.

00:56:59.000 I sincerely do.

00:57:00.000 I wish everyone well.

00:57:02.000 America has $37 trillion in debt.

00:57:05.000 Israel is less than $400 billion in debt.

00:57:09.000 They're doing really well.

00:57:10.000 Israel is doing so good.

00:57:12.000 Their government provides government-funded health care, government-subsidized college tuition.

00:57:19.000 That's not happening here in the United States for the American people, but yet the United States government gives Israel $3.8 billion every single year.

00:57:29.000 And then in our defense appropriations bill was an additional $500 million to go to Israel.

00:57:35.000 So my argument was, hey, we're hurting over here in America.

00:57:39.000 We're $37 trillion in debt.

00:57:41.000 We are not taking care of our own people.

00:57:44.000 Can we stop funding these foreign countries, no matter who they are, friend or foe, whatever, stop funding them? 0.99

00:57:52.000 Here was the vote count.

00:57:53.000 Only six.

00:57:54.000 We had only six people that voted for my amendment to strip that. 0.92

00:57:59.000 Do you know who was not on that list?

00:58:02.000 AOC.

00:58:03.000 AOC, the darling of the progressive left, the one that claims to be against all the wars and wants to lead, cares about people, cares about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, wants to stop the genocide.

00:58:17.000 She did not vote for my amendment.

00:58:19.000 She would not do it and she got called out hard.

00:58:22.000 So there's a lot happening and there's a lot of details that are important.

00:58:25.000 Even in the answer to this one question, which was as you identified, admittedly a broad question, there's quite a lot for us to unpack and diagnose.

00:58:33.000 One, it seems that the kind of misadventures that were characterized by the USAID Farago continue in a more diffuse way.

00:58:43.000 I think most people will think it's ridiculous to hear that 15 million of aid is being sent to an African nation in order for people to be educated about AIDS, adult male soldiers makes it especially ridiculous. 0.96

00:58:54.000 I suppose possibly I try to, as I'm sure any sensible orator does, envisage the response of an adversary.

00:59:03.000 And I'm sure they would say, no, Marjorie Taylor Greene has mischaracterized that $50 million.

00:59:08.000 It was for something totally valid and exceptional or useful.

00:59:08.000 It was for this.

00:59:15.000 But we all know that a significant part of the mandate of Donald Trump was America first.

00:59:20.000 That's what people, it seems, were largely galvanized by.

00:59:24.000 And I don't particularly see that as selfish, solipsistic, inward gazing, or hateful or unchristian.

00:59:30.000 I see it as a country that needs to pivot in order to retain, in some instances, the dignity of your great nation.

00:59:41.000 I suppose the aspect of your answer that's going to elicit the most interest for our audience is the fact that there are still significant, there's still significant financial, in addition to military aid, going to Israel, even though there's a wide conversation publicly about both the ethics and expedience of that.

00:59:58.000 And I see that you're approaching the argument primarily financially and from the perspective of an American politician, which, of course, is your actual perspective and the position you stand in.

01:00:08.000 And I obviously strongly identify with that.

01:00:12.000 Now, do you see no, as you seem to indicate in your answer, no distinction between giving aid to Ukraine, Jordan, or Israel?

01:00:19.000 Do you think there's anything in particular about the relationship with the United States of America with Israel that's not shared with America's relationship with Ukraine, which seems to have sort of a military, geopolitical component, a financial component, seems to demonstrate the ongoing power of the military-industrial complex?

01:00:38.000 Jordan, there are some people, detractors of Trump, so think his relationship with the United Arab Emirates nations is dubious, even somewhat visibly and laughably.

01:00:46.000 Hillary Clinton mocking him, of course, for that jet, even though through the Clinton Foundation, they took significant aid from comparable nations much earlier.

01:00:55.000 But it is Israel likely that people will be interested in, and I wonder if you consider that for good or for ill, there is something unique about your country's financial, military, and ideological relationship with the state of Israel?

01:01:06.000 Well, I think it's important to recognize that Americans are the most generous people in the world.

01:01:12.000 They donate compared to any other country, Americans on their own privately donate more money than any other country in the world.

01:01:21.000 They donate to all kinds of causes all over the world, to hunger, to AIDS, to educating children, stopping child sex trafficking.

01:01:30.000 Americans are genuinely generous people.

01:01:33.000 Now, Israel, of course, is our ally.

01:01:36.000 However, Israel is a nuclear-armed nation, and everyone seems to forget to talk about that.

01:01:41.000 Their government is also a secular government.

01:01:44.000 This needs to be separated from Israel of the Bible. 1.00

01:01:48.000 So there is that separation there.

01:01:50.000 And then we can just make the financial argument that America is flat out broke.

01:01:54.000 We're $37 trillion in debt.

01:01:57.000 We don't spend, we give $3.8 billion every single year to Israel, even though Israel is less than $400 billion in debt.

01:02:06.000 Even though Israel is a nuclear armed nation, we don't give $3.8 billion to end homelessness in America.

01:02:13.000 We don't give $3.8 billion to end the mental health crisis in America.

01:02:17.000 We don't give $3.8 billion to help the drug crisis in America.

01:02:22.000 And I think the American people are looking at all of this and saying, why not?

01:02:28.000 And it's become an unfair situation.

01:02:31.000 And then also when we speak of Ukraine, Ukraine, everyone knows what Ukraine is.

01:02:36.000 It is a money laundering war.

01:02:38.000 It's a CIA operated war that didn't start in 2022.

01:02:43.000 It started back before 2014.

01:02:46.000 And that war has been going on.

01:02:48.000 And we are not obligated in any way to defend Ukraine.

01:02:54.000 We're obligated.

01:02:54.000 We're not.

01:02:55.000 I'm a representative.

01:02:56.000 My job title is literally representative of the people.

01:03:00.000 We're obligated to fund and defend the American people and solve our problems here.

01:03:06.000 And so this is becoming such a loud cry that it spans the left and the right.

01:03:12.000 It's completely all across all political boundaries that Americans are getting so fed up that they're seeing past the lines of politicians, past the lines of Republican and Democrat, and they're saying, who in Congress is actually going to finally stand up and say no more foreign aid, no more funding of foreign wars, no more foreign intervention.

01:03:34.000 And when is our representative government going to represent us?

01:03:38.000 So in fact, your position is, and you believe it's the position of the majority of Americans, and I find it hard to dispute that, is we don't want to aid foreign wars anymore.

01:03:50.000 Neither do we want to fund really anything.

01:03:52.000 And even if it's a sort of a comic example like Sesame Street in Iran or sort of condoms for people in a war zone or some of the ridiculous USAID examples, or even if it's something that's somewhat more legitimate, you would say in a simple matter of prioritization with America having the various crises that it has had,

01:04:11.000 whether they're economic or geological, the recent tragic floods in Texas, and the ongoing drug crisis, mental health crisis, homeless crisis in your country, all those things should be put first, which in some ways are, would it be fair to say, sort of, I'm a Christian, I know you're a Christian, but some people might argue that that's a sort of socialist position, like that social care and welfare should be afforded to drug addicts, the mentally ill, the homeless.

01:04:42.000 If there were some miracle where the administration of the United States would say, like, yeah, we are going to stop military aid, and gosh, Lord alone knows what kind of obstacles there would be to stopping military and financial aid to Israel and Ukraine and Jordan.

01:04:56.000 You can imagine the fanfare, the conflagration and the hysteria.

01:05:00.000 But if that were miraculously achieved, are you saying that your position would be that you would support social projects that are helping homeless people, getting business owners back on their feet, helping the mentally ill, ending the drug crisis, which we all know in the end amounts to attacking large interests in both in real estate, in pharma?

01:05:18.000 We know how the fentanyl crisis came about.

01:05:20.000 So if you are going to represent the people, doesn't that mean in the end, initially, there should be a stemming of the hemorrhaging of American financial aid to foreign nations, whether that's for war or other projects, all of them, maybe.

01:05:35.000 That's what I guess I'm inviting.

01:05:37.000 And two, would you support and how would you support, at least in the context of a contemporary political environment, socialist projects that amount to welfare for the poor?

01:05:48.000 How do them things tally, Congresswoman Green?

01:05:52.000 Yes, good questions.

01:05:53.000 Let's take it from the context of where we are now.

01:05:56.000 We're $37 trillion in debt.

01:05:58.000 So I'm a business owner.

01:05:59.000 If my business is exceedingly so far in the depths of debt, that means I'm going out of business.

01:06:09.000 That means I'm literally not going to survive.

01:06:12.000 That's where the United States government is here.

01:06:15.000 So it's hard to make an argument for socialism because we already can't afford what we're doing, literally cannot afford it.

01:06:22.000 Here's where the American people are today, young people.

01:06:24.000 So my children are 22, 25, and 27.

01:06:28.000 Two of them are already married.

01:06:29.000 One is still in college.

01:06:31.000 Their generation, the 20s, even the 30-year-olds, and then of course the kids coming up behind them, they literally have no hope for the future.

01:06:39.000 Right now, rent is ridiculously expensive.

01:06:43.000 Buying a home is totally out of reach.

01:06:46.000 They don't know if they'll ever be able to buy a home.

01:06:48.000 And a few of them have, but most of them cannot.

01:06:51.000 They cannot buy a home.

01:06:52.000 They cannot afford it.

01:06:53.000 Their credit cards are maxed out.

01:06:55.000 They go month to month, credit card bill to credit card bill, paycheck to paycheck.

01:07:00.000 Their cost of living is extremely expensive.

01:07:02.000 And then let's look at their insurance.

01:07:04.000 Health insurance is unaffordable in America.

01:07:08.000 Absolutely unaffordable.

01:07:09.000 That came on from the Affordable Care Act, which is Obamacare, which totally started, laid the groundwork for government control of health insurance.

01:07:17.000 And what it did is it reduced the amount of competition in the industry.

01:07:22.000 And a lot of health insurance companies went out of business.

01:07:25.000 Prices have skyrocketed since then.

01:07:28.000 Car insurance is unaffordable for them.

01:07:30.000 Absolutely unaffordable.

01:07:31.000 Every single year, car insurance goes up and up and up.

01:07:34.000 They're taxed in every single way.

01:07:35.000 They're taxed when they buy something on a sales tax.

01:07:38.000 They're taxed when they renew their tag every single year for their car.

01:07:43.000 They pay taxes on every single part of their life.

01:07:47.000 So here we are at $37 trillion in debt.

01:07:51.000 And these young people are going, what the hell are you doing?

01:07:56.000 How am I going to survive in the future?

01:07:58.000 So how can we even make the argument for socialism?

01:08:02.000 It's literally out of reach.

01:08:04.000 It literally is out of reach.

01:08:06.000 It's hard to say, oh, sure, we're going to fund your health care.

01:08:10.000 Really?

01:08:10.000 How are you going to do that?

01:08:11.000 I mean, this is what kids, young, they're smart.

01:08:14.000 Young people are smart.

01:08:15.000 They're looking at leaders going, oh, really?

01:08:17.000 How are you going to give me government subsidized health care?

01:08:20.000 We're $37 trillion in debt.

01:08:22.000 And they were going to say, oh, we're going to give you free college.

01:08:24.000 Really?

01:08:25.000 How are you going to do that?

01:08:26.000 We're $37 trillion in debt.

01:08:28.000 Every single time a leader is saying, we're going to give you free stuff.

01:08:31.000 They're looking back at the leader and going, well, you're funding this war.

01:08:35.000 You're funding this foreign country. 0.99

01:08:36.000 You're sending billions every single year, hundreds of billions of dollars all over the world.

01:08:41.000 How are you ever going to fund anything for me when you won't stop funding everything for the entire world?

01:08:47.000 We have military bases all over the world, but yet we don't have military bases lined up along our southern border.

01:08:54.000 It's just, it's the hypocrisy of all of it that is becoming so exposed that young people today are literally checking out.

01:09:03.000 It's becoming unbelievable.

01:09:04.000 I know you've been in Congress for a while.

01:09:07.000 You've been a public figure for a while.

01:09:09.000 It's my fifth year.

01:09:11.000 So as you move closer to the center of power, it seems to me as an observer that it's extraordinary that you could have such robust views that are so antithetical to how these systems and structures operate and continue to operate.

01:09:29.000 You are a kind of independent media creator's dream in that you're clickbaitable, you're aggressive for the way you speak.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 21, 2025

The Voice of the People — or a Threat to Democracy? - SF617

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