Stay Free - Russel Brand - The War for Your Child’s Soul… - SF737

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist, trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Remember that these days I'm taking a brief break in order that I might be ready for the many battles ahead so that truth and justice can prevail.

00:00:27.000 I'm confident in that, of course, but I'm just taking a little break to get ready.

00:00:32.000 But why should you suffer?

00:00:33.000 Here's a new series of two-part interviews.

00:00:35.000 Today you can see part two of my conversation with Andrew Kern, a classical educator.

00:00:40.000 Who believes it might be worth our time bringing faith and truth and real principles to our children?

00:00:46.000 But here's a video that explains it a little more clearly.

00:00:48.000 Andrew Kern is one of the leading voices in the classical Christian education movement.

00:00:53.000 For more than 30 years, he's challenged modern assumptions about education, arguing that its purpose is not simply to prepare children for careers, but to cultivate wisdom, virtue, and a lifelong love of truth.

00:01:05.000 Through his teaching, writing, and work with schools around the world, he continues to help parents and educators rethink what it truly means to educate a child.

00:01:17.000 And now, Andrew Kern.

00:01:21.000 Whether it's you're educating your own kids or smaller groups, or if you're moving into, you know, even as soon as I say the word institutional, I know that's pejorative.

00:01:30.000 I know that it has a different objective.

00:01:32.000 I know that what, you know, our Lord institutes.

00:01:35.000 But institution, once it collapses into a noun, it's dead.

00:01:39.000 It has to remain in the vibrant living water.

00:01:42.000 It has to remain alive.

00:01:44.000 It must not be put in a cistern.

00:01:46.000 You mustn't put your light under a bushel.

00:01:48.000 You mustn't foreclose it.

00:01:49.000 That is Lucifer's sin to think that it can be collapsed into the individual.

00:01:53.000 You're worshiping the wrong God.

00:01:54.000 When you said that earlier on about gazing upon Christ, what do you mean by that when it's like I'm teaching my kids to read?

00:02:06.000 You know, like we're not going to be.

00:02:07.000 And what do you mean by Christ?

00:02:08.000 I mean, of course, Christ means the incarnation of God, the incarnation and the life lived by Jesus Christ, the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, the resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ.

00:02:23.000 But.

00:02:24.000 Imagining a man's face would be, I would say, the equivalent at staring at the hieroglyph A and expecting to understand the first bite of an apple.

00:02:37.000 So, how do you make this intersensory collapse?

00:02:43.000 How do you create this kind of harmony?

00:02:47.000 How do you show a child that you are gazing on Christ when, for example, experiencing nature or experiencing literature or experiencing math or music?

00:02:58.000 Thank you so much.

00:03:00.000 That is one of the best questions anybody's ever asked me.

00:03:04.000 And I'm going to answer it in the context of education, okay?

00:03:09.000 Because, you know, going, taking communion at church and people getting up and talking about God's goodness.

00:03:18.000 And when I was a child, we would say the person and work of Christ.

00:03:22.000 When you talk about his person and you talk about his work, you're gazing on him, okay?

00:03:27.000 And so, I don't want to say anything to minimize that.

00:03:31.000 That is the most important.

00:03:33.000 But I'm talking as an educator right now.

00:03:37.000 And so, in the realm of education, how does one gaze on Christ?

00:03:42.000 And I think one of the most important things here is we have to do away with what I'm going to call, I've heard it called two tier Christianity.

00:03:53.000 It's almost like Gnosticism the idea that somehow God is far away.

00:03:59.000 And the world sort of operates independently of God in a meaningless way.

00:04:04.000 And what we need to realize is, oh, so many ideas just flitted in and out of my head.

00:04:10.000 Let me say a couple of things quickly.

00:04:13.000 Over the last four or 500 years, we made a formal decision in Western culture to turn away from the cosmos, from a created cosmos that's orderly and meaningful to chaos.

00:04:25.000 Now, that was gradual, but in ever more completeness, we've decided that what we believe in is chaos.

00:04:34.000 Now, if you're going to educate somebody in a cosmos, what you're going to do is teach them to align with it.

00:04:41.000 So you're going to find the first principle of a cosmos, because that actually, the original Greek word cosmos meant ornament.

00:04:49.000 It was something beautiful.

00:04:50.000 It came to mean the universe, the creation, because the idea that they believed in was there is a first principle, and everything that exists lives in the light of that first principle, is governed by.

00:05:05.000 Is given life by the way, for example, the sun governs and gives life to and shines on the solar system.

00:05:14.000 So that's a mini cosmos, a microcosmos, if you like.

00:05:17.000 Okay, a cosmos is an orderly, unified thing that makes sense.

00:05:22.000 Now, that doesn't mean you and I know everything in it, but we believe that ultimately it makes sense and is meaningful and so on.

00:05:32.000 So if you educate somebody to live in such a cosmos, you're looking for that logos, that first principle.

00:05:39.000 And you're just trying to align with it.

00:05:41.000 Okay.

00:05:42.000 But if you live in chaos, that's not an option.

00:05:46.000 The only thing you have as an option in chaos is to impose your own order on it.

00:05:51.000 Excellent.

00:05:52.000 And that is why, when you live in chaos, you need systems, control mechanisms, ideologies.

00:05:59.000 Brilliant.

00:05:59.000 Okay.

00:06:00.000 So it's wrong.

00:06:01.000 That's satanic.

00:06:02.000 It's satanic.

00:06:03.000 It's satanic.

00:06:04.000 It's literally satanic.

00:06:05.000 It's the denial of God.

00:06:07.000 To say chaos is the first principle, you're like, it's the same.

00:06:11.000 That happened in the garden.

00:06:13.000 No, did he really say that?

00:06:14.000 There is no order.

00:06:15.000 No, you can do what you want.

00:06:17.000 It's chaos.

00:06:18.000 Chaos is a brilliant modern instantiation of a precondition for sin and collapse.

00:06:26.000 You will impose yourself.

00:06:28.000 You will impose, because that is his sin.

00:06:32.000 Like when our Lord says in 1018, I believe, importantly, in the moment I mean to say, is important, I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

00:06:45.000 It's because that's when the disciples are returning, saying, We healed and we did this.

00:06:50.000 Whoa, You didn't do nothing.

00:06:53.000 You are a conduit.

00:06:54.000 Your names are written in the book of heaven.

00:06:56.000 I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.

00:06:58.000 I was there at the beginning of the idea of individualism, I was there at the beginning of the idea of a separate self.

00:07:06.000 No, I and the Father are one.

00:07:09.000 I and the Father are one.

00:07:11.000 And as Paul later says, or is it in Hebrews, being in very nature, God didn't see equality with God as something to be sought.

00:07:18.000 He understood his creatureliness.

00:07:20.000 Now, how can you understand your creatureliness if you do not accept creation, if you deny even that?

00:07:27.000 No, no creation.

00:07:27.000 It's just chaos.

00:07:28.000 It's just a load of explosions and inertia leading to the perfect conditions for existence.

00:07:33.000 That's because somewhere there's a reality where everything like this is happening except it's yellow and everything is happening except you've got a scorpion's tail instead of a hiney.

00:07:43.000 You know, the claim of chaos is a satanic claim, it's a denial of God and it's a.

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00:08:56.000 I believe that it is ultimately satanic, yes, essentially satanic.

00:09:01.000 But I also believe that people.

00:09:04.000 Don't not everybody who thinks he lives in chaos and has to make the best of it is himself, shall we say, satanic.

00:09:11.000 Many, many people, what it does is it makes us vulnerable.

00:09:16.000 It makes us utterly vulnerable.

00:09:18.000 Pardon me?

00:09:19.000 They're dead in sin.

00:09:21.000 They've accepted his premise and now they're dead.

00:09:23.000 The wages of sin is dead.

00:09:25.000 If you accept that premise, you are no longer a conduit.

00:09:28.000 You are no longer attached to the vine.

00:09:30.000 You can no longer bear the fruits.

00:09:32.000 So if you accept the premise of chaos or Any of the enlightenment values of like now the supreme intelligence is the intelligence of man man is the apex Yeah,

00:09:42.000 you therefore our hierarchies are irrefutable our systems are irrefutable and as Joe Boot the British apologist said that they tell you that there is no omniscient omnipotent omnipresent God then through technology and authoritarianism Lay claim to the omniscience through surveillance the omnipotence through various regulation to manage crisis And the omnipresence,

00:10:11.000 again, through comparable technology.

00:10:13.000 And I think what you've said is very important that if your cosmological model is chaotic rather than ornamental, the ornamental, I suppose, means it adorns that creator.

00:10:24.000 It's an outward expression of his ever existing, never ending, atemporal, aspatial flow, found in the limitless, gracious poetry and patterns of his glossolalia, of his endless creativity, like a spring.

00:10:40.000 But if you say, oh, it's just chaos, it'll just happen. 0.98

00:10:42.000 Well, you, oh, God, I might as well go and have sex in the gutter and smoke crack, which I tried. 0.99

00:10:48.000 I've had a go, and it was all right for a decade. 0.98

00:10:52.000 But after 10 years or so of very, very committed experimentation, gutter crack sex does prove problematic in a number of ways, not least hygiene and respiratory issues.

00:11:09.000 I'm glad you mentioned that just because what I don't see, I'm again, I'm involved in teaching children and also coaching teachers.

00:11:16.000 And so, what I don't want, what I can't do is think of this as a they, us kind of thing, right?

00:11:25.000 Everything that is true of this people who embrace chaos and either use it to dominate or quiver is true of my heart and is true of the people that I'm teaching.

00:11:40.000 And so, what that's why I loved your question so much because remember, the reason we got to cosmos and chaos is because you said, How do we gaze on Christ?

00:11:49.000 And I think the first thing that we have to realize as mature adults is that we live in a cosmos, not chaos.

00:11:58.000 And see, this is why.

00:12:00.000 Because if we live in a cosmos, I mentioned the word logos, right?

00:12:04.000 A cosmos has a logos.

00:12:06.000 If we live in a cosmos, not only is the cosmos the first, sorry, is the logos the first principle, not only is the sun the governing principle of the solar system, but the only reason you see anything in the solar system is because the light of the sun shines on it.

00:12:23.000 And the only reason there's any life on earth is because the life comes from the sun.

00:12:28.000 And so, what I'm saying is, it's easy for us as Christians to fragment and to think, I can study the physical world just as a mechanism, and I can study my heart as something else, as a spiritual thing.

00:12:43.000 Ah, yes.

00:12:45.000 But Christ is present in the tree, right?

00:12:49.000 Christ is present in the grass.

00:12:51.000 When do you think, by the way, when do you think Jesus first thought to himself, huh?

00:12:57.000 The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed.

00:12:59.000 I'm going to hold on to that.

00:13:03.000 I think only as he said it in spontaneous flow would be my guess.

00:13:08.000 I think about that verse a great deal.

00:13:11.000 I think about that a great deal.

00:13:14.000 I think he is in flow.

00:13:16.000 I think he is spontaneous like a child, but he is wise like a king, like a father.

00:13:22.000 So, like the spontaneity, my spontaneity used to be crazy.

00:13:28.000 Because I had the wrong sovereign.

00:13:29.000 So my spontaneity was decadent, indulgent, irresponsible.

00:13:35.000 Now I would like, if it's his will, that my spontaneity is in his service because I feel like he teaches.

00:13:43.000 I want your answer, obviously, because I'm in my own head all the time, as far as I can tell.

00:13:50.000 But I think with the mustard seed, it's one of my favourite in the Mark version of it because I love how this is how I interpret it from the New International.

00:14:00.000 It's like he's like this.

00:14:01.000 Oh, how am I going to tell you what the kingdom of heaven's like?

00:14:05.000 It's like, I'm not saying it is, but it's like a mustard seed, which is a very, very small seed.

00:14:11.000 And from that grows a plant that's big enough for birds to perch in the shade of its branches.

00:14:17.000 And then it goes on to say, Always did he speak to the crowd in parables, and he never spoke to them without using them.

00:14:25.000 When he was on his own with the disciples, though, he hit them with a hard fact, paraphrasing.

00:14:30.000 And then the very next verse is, You know, that night he said to them, Come, let's go to the other side.

00:14:37.000 And then he takes them in that storm, man.

00:14:39.000 He takes them in that storm.

00:14:41.000 And I feel that he is inviting us.

00:14:44.000 His invitation is to become co heirs.

00:14:46.000 His invitation is to participate in this kingdom that's as unlike, as you said, you can't pull the plant up without killing it.

00:14:54.000 And you can't imagine who among us would have the gall to envisage that from a dead and inert tomato seed would become some vine with mad nightshades, bulbous and such.

00:15:09.000 And it is like this.

00:15:11.000 It is like this.

00:15:12.000 And I foresee and participate occasionally in the interdimensional reality that he's describing and over which he is king and sovereign.

00:15:22.000 And he became something new in us.

00:15:24.000 And I know I can't understand how he became something that he'd never been before.

00:15:29.000 I can't understand that except outside of Ruth Burroughs' writing on it, in which she's referencing St. Teresa and St. John of the Cross.

00:15:38.000 But I know that's what we're called to do.

00:15:40.000 And I know that what I want for.

00:15:42.000 My children is to show them that and to teach them that.

00:15:45.000 And, like, occasionally, Andrew, I have these terrifying instances where I see how the culture plus my negligence or my own limitation, if not negligence, are responsible for them.

00:16:00.000 Like, last night I was trying to watch Ken Burns' Civil War, right?

00:16:04.000 Pretty well made, nice show.

00:16:06.000 And, you know, I try and stay present when I'm watching it and I'm trying to stay present for what it's not saying about industrialization and whatever unpublished incentives the union may have had.

00:16:17.000 Because looking at the world these days, I don't see as the motivating factor in a lot of political action the freedom of the weakest or least powerful citizens.

00:16:28.000 That doesn't seem to be why people go to war these days.

00:16:31.000 Maybe human beings were very different 150 years ago, or maybe we're not being told the entire truth.

00:16:36.000 But my, so I'm watching that, and my kids come in and we watch TV, you know?

00:16:41.000 But like, they like to watch, I watch sitcoms with them, and I watch things that are not in alignment with my philosophy a lot.

00:16:49.000 And I'm like, I don't agree with that.

00:16:51.000 What do you think?

00:16:52.000 And we discuss things.

00:16:53.000 You know, we watch a lot of Simpsons, and sometimes I've gotten them, my wife, Moore, has got them to watch an episode of The Simpsons and then go, right, what themes do you think?

00:17:00.000 What did you discover?

00:17:01.000 Why do you think Bart did that?

00:17:03.000 But now what I'll do is go, just tell me the story of that episode.

00:17:06.000 I'm going to get them to do some of that.

00:17:08.000 Yeah, I'm going to get them to do some of that.

00:17:10.000 Anyway, like, when I tried to go, they wanted to watch Community.

00:17:12.000 It's a show we've been watching.

00:17:15.000 And, like, I couldn't, I was like, no, watch this for just 10 minutes.

00:17:19.000 For 10 minutes, I want you to look at, like, archive photographs of Civil War victims.

00:17:24.000 And listen to this somewhat, you know, this narration about the casualties in this battle and the military stratagems of Stonewall Jackson.

00:17:32.000 Just for a minute, just try.

00:17:34.000 Mike, it was a lot to ask of them, man.

00:17:36.000 And it was like, I was like, oh no, you've indulged them so much that they don't like having to pay attention to something that's not immediate.

00:17:46.000 And man, you should see the stuff they watch on here.

00:17:48.000 Like, I was in the hospital, my boy's in and out of hospital.

00:17:51.000 He's doing well now, by God's grace.

00:17:52.000 But like, he's only three.

00:17:55.000 I was like, you know, I did two, one hour of very, very amped out play, you know, like I was jumping around, we're climbing, we're doing a lot.

00:18:02.000 Thank you.

00:18:03.000 We did it like we're doing a lot of stuff together.

00:18:05.000 And then after a while, thank you for that.

00:18:08.000 Thank you.

00:18:09.000 And after a while, like I let him look at this screen, right?

00:18:13.000 He likes Tyrannosaurus Rexes, right?

00:18:15.000 I want to explain this to you because of who you are.

00:18:18.000 Right.

00:18:19.000 So you start off watching, you might not know a lot about platforms, I'm guessing, but on YouTube, there are shorts, and shorts are really derived from TikTok.

00:18:27.000 And TikTok primarily exists as 30 second interstitial pieces.

00:18:31.000 And what the algorithm does is it's paying attention to your attention, huh?

00:18:37.000 So, quite quickly, these T Rex videos, like the sort of Babylon of possibilities, man, like, you know, within seconds, we're watching AI CGI T Rexes with Spider Man costumes on, like in streets in Calcutta.

00:18:51.000 I'm like, oh my God, this is too much, man.

00:18:54.000 But the thing that really got him, and this fascinated me, was there was a video made clearly by.

00:19:00.000 You know, like a home content creator, and it was a little girl, real life, you know, little girl with a gumball machine going, Huh, I want to eat this gumball.

00:19:10.000 Then another shot of another kid going, How do you do that?

00:19:13.000 How do you do that?

00:19:14.000 How do you make yourself sound exactly like a little girl?

00:19:21.000 I mean, I'm sure there must be money in it in some quarters.

00:19:23.000 And then, like, they are, then another little girl sort of goes, No, that's my gumball machine, you can't eat that.

00:19:29.000 And there's like a push in, there's always something happening on screen, lots of color.

00:19:32.000 Then the mum comes out and goes, Hey, kids.

00:19:35.000 No, we have to learn to share.

00:19:37.000 Now, superficially and ostensibly, there's an interesting message there, one might say.

00:19:42.000 But what I noted because my boy wanted to watch it about 10 times, he kept going back to that one, like watching it again and again, is that it's almost like a real life million monkeys theory, like that a million monkeys with a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare.

00:19:56.000 Well, now we do have a million monkeys with a million typewriters, and they're creating every imaginable and every conceivable form of attention, and then it's going into the aggregating system of TikTok or whatever platform you're watching on.

00:20:08.000 And so now you have the extraordinary, and I would claim perverse, sort of almost Pornographic spectacle of a piece of content that perfectly can capture the attention of a two and a half year old child.

00:20:24.000 Like, he kind of, he obviously doesn't have the faculty to assess why he's interested in that.

00:20:29.000 And it'll be things like color, drama, identifiable goals, things like that.

00:20:34.000 And I thought, this is hell indeed.

00:20:37.000 This is hell indeed.

00:20:38.000 That, you know, like, it doesn't even take active evil.

00:20:42.000 It just takes, like, that's why I picked up on that point, the sort of the idea of chaos.

00:20:47.000 So it doesn't matter.

00:20:49.000 It's just life.

00:20:49.000 We're just doing this.

00:20:51.000 And then in the end, the devil will be able to do what he needs to do.

00:20:55.000 Now, in this instance, I know that the goal isn't, it's not like a particularly pernicious goal in watching that thing, except that the child is being taught a ridiculous overstimulation.

00:21:08.000 And as with pornography, stopping, as I understand, kids when they become of age now can't get it up because they've been exposed to so much pornography.

00:21:19.000 That we're being exposed to a sort of pornography in every area of life, a level of stimulation and titillation, not even just within sex, but within food, within everything.

00:21:30.000 They're so ghastly, ghoulish, garish, overbearing, and overwhelming that you show a child Niagara Falls and he'll think, So what?

00:21:41.000 The Hanging Gardens of Babylon?

00:21:42.000 Who cares? 0.88

00:21:43.000 The face of Jesus Christ?

00:21:45.000 Yeah, what have you done for me lately?

00:21:49.000 Well.

00:21:53.000 What they're doing is, you were very kind to say that you didn't think there was maybe in that case a malicious goal.

00:22:03.000 But I think probably there still was because I also don't think when we make our malicious acts, we know we are.

00:22:10.000 What they were doing was they were capturing the child's will, sorry, capturing the child's attention without strengthening his will.

00:22:21.000 And when you don't believe in the will, Right in a chaotic world, where would the will come from?

00:22:26.000 When you don't believe in the will, you don't cultivate the will, you don't strengthen the will.

00:22:30.000 What you believe in instead is desires, and you attract the desires, and that's how you get their attention.

00:22:38.000 Now, the mega difference between a Christian education and anything else, and an education that has Christian qualities to it, even if it's from somewhere else, is that the Christian is cultivating attention by cultivating the will.

00:22:56.000 Whereas everybody else, any alternative is capturing the attention by ignoring the will, undercutting the will, and attracting the desires. 0.69

00:23:06.000 And I think if you look at the Eve story, Eve's will is suppressed, right?

00:23:11.000 Her will is suppressed and her desires are appealed to.

00:23:14.000 And it's because she sees her fear of death or her consciousness of death is set aside.

00:23:21.000 You won't die, right?

00:23:23.000 Her desire for immortality is minimized.

00:23:26.000 Which she did have, we all do.

00:23:28.000 But instead, her desire for wisdom, right?

00:23:33.000 It was a tree.

00:23:34.000 I love that it's a tree desire to make one wise, right?

00:23:37.000 It was pleasing to the eye, good for food, pleasing to the eye, and a treat to be desired to make one wise.

00:23:46.000 That's what she saw, and that's why she ate it.

00:23:49.000 It wasn't just because she saw food, it was those three things.

00:23:54.000 But she separated those three things from all the other honorable desires that she had.

00:24:00.000 Because, I mean, we should want good food, we should want wisdom, and we should want things that are pleasing to the eye.

00:24:06.000 But we shouldn't want them in a way that suppresses the will.

00:24:11.000 And denies the thing that the other desires, like immortality and seeing God's glory.

00:24:18.000 So, the answer to my question earlier is that was a trick question.

00:24:22.000 It was when he made it.

00:24:25.000 The first time Jesus thought a mustard seed is like the kingdom of heaven is when he made the mustard seed.

00:24:31.000 In other words, Genesis 1.

00:24:33.000 Again, trick question, I know.

00:24:35.000 But the point being that in the cosmos, in the created world, when we look at a tree, when we look at grass and seeds, We should not be looking at mechanisms.

00:24:47.000 We should be seeing meanings.

00:24:49.000 And if we wonder what that means, so much of it is explained for us in the scriptures.

00:24:54.000 What does a mustard seed mean?

00:24:56.000 It means the kingdom of heaven.

00:24:58.000 What does it mean when you plant a seed in the ground?

00:25:00.000 It means the kingdom of heaven. 0.99

00:25:02.000 What does it mean when you marry a woman?

00:25:04.000 It means the bride of Christ.

00:25:06.000 Everything in the cosmos is shining with meaning if we have eyes to see and if we have ears to hear.

00:25:15.000 And I think that, again, when you said the word attention earlier, the other word that you said was perception.

00:25:23.000 And I've been blown away in the last year or two by Hebrews 5 14, which is an amazing verse where he's about to talk about Melchizedek, right?

00:25:34.000 He's about to talk about the high priest that everybody bases their cults on, right?

00:25:38.000 Every cult uses this. 0.64

00:25:40.000 Because what Paul says to the Hebrews is, I want to talk to you about Melchizedek, but I can't because you're too immature.

00:25:46.000 Okay, now he says to the Corinthians, I can't talk to you because you're too immature.

00:25:52.000 And to them, he says, the proof of that is that you fight.

00:25:55.000 Okay, there's division among you, therefore you're immature.

00:25:59.000 But notice, you got it there?

00:26:01.000 Yeah, I've got 514 at the moment.

00:26:04.000 Or do you want me to go to Corinthians?

00:26:06.000 Yep, yep, stay there.

00:26:07.000 Go ahead and read it because I want you to notice how he defines maturity.

00:26:11.000 It's an amazing definition for maturity.

00:26:14.000 Start at 514.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, just read that verse.

00:26:19.000 But solid food is for the mature who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

00:26:27.000 Oh, what translation do you have?

00:26:29.000 This might be English standard.

00:26:32.000 Hopefully, no, it's NIV.

00:26:33.000 It's NIV.

00:26:34.000 Okay.

00:26:35.000 Well, they robbed you in this case.

00:26:38.000 No comment on the general translation, but they robbed you of a Greek word in this verse the word isthasis, A I S T H E, something like that.

00:26:49.000 It means senses.

00:26:51.000 It is by reason of use that they have not trained themselves.

00:26:56.000 They have trained their senses to distinguish between the good and the bad.

00:27:02.000 And the reason that's such a crucial point is because notice how the senses are trained.

00:27:02.000 Okay.

00:27:09.000 Classes, right?

00:27:10.000 You go to classes and listen to lectures.

00:27:12.000 That's how you train the senses. 0.78

00:27:14.000 Just a quick break from the interview to show you that Poly Market are now giving England a 7% chance at winning the World Cup.

00:27:21.000 Would you take that bet, get over to Poly Market and put your money where your mouth is?

00:27:27.000 Yes.

00:27:28.000 Yes.

00:27:29.000 And he does continue.

00:27:30.000 Therefore, let us move beyond the elementary teachings, elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death and of faith in God, instruction about cleansing rites, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment, and God permitting we will do so.

00:27:51.000 Yes, I like this.

00:27:52.000 And also to the point, the senses are the instruments.

00:27:57.000 Instruments.

00:27:58.000 And you made that point about the use of instruments.

00:28:01.000 Yes.

00:28:02.000 Use of the instruments, the eye correctly fixed upon Christ will lead you towards Christ.

00:28:08.000 The ears listening to their scripture lead you towards the Lord.

00:28:12.000 In Hinduism and in the Bhagavad Gita, the Godhead Krishna, who in some regions may I say is called Christ, curiously, if you're examining hermeneutics and the geographical limitations of Mesopotamian scripture, the Krishna is depicted often as playing a flute,

00:28:40.000 that he plays reality into being through a flute.

00:28:45.000 In the beginning was the word, in the beginning was the vibration through the instrument.

00:28:49.000 Pan, of course, the pagan god Pan plays the pan piped, multiple cacophonous, dissonant, chaotic force.

00:28:58.000 The pagan, the pantheistic impulse to endow all things with godliness.

00:29:03.000 As Jordan Peterson said, if everything is God, then Anything is God.

00:29:08.000 This is the problem with denying a singular character, even to the triune God.

00:29:16.000 We're getting off YouTube for this reason it's evil, although, you know, there's good stuff on there, but it's fundamentally evil.

00:29:21.000 So click the link in the description, go over to Rumble and get Rumble Premium and support me and Crowder and Paul and Kim Iverson and Dave Rubin and, you know, the people that do the video games and all that.

00:29:30.000 You get additional content and plus they don't censor.

00:29:33.000 You can say whatever you like over there.

00:29:34.000 And I choose to use that freedom to tell you simply that I love you.

00:29:39.000 Let's get back to our conversation with Andrew Kern.

00:29:43.000 When you just said Pam made cacophony, right?

00:29:46.000 Cacophony in the Hebrews 5 14, the word for good and evil there are kalos, K A L O S in English, and kakos, K A K O S. That's evil, that's bad.

00:30:00.000 Okay, that's where we get cacophony, which means bad sound. 0.59

00:30:04.000 Okay, so when he says to distinguish kalos from kakos, he doesn't just mean, He doesn't just mean morally, right?

00:30:14.000 He doesn't just mean that we use the senses to distinguish moral good from bad.

00:30:18.000 He's talking about sensory, too.

00:30:21.000 God is so humble.

00:30:23.000 This is what gets to me.

00:30:24.000 God is so humble that he took the kingdom of heaven and revealed it to us in a mustard seed.

00:30:29.000 But he also teaches us that you have to develop your spiritual senses, okay?

00:30:35.000 So to develop your spiritual senses, I'm going to show you how to develop your physical senses.

00:30:41.000 And then we all know how to do this.

00:30:43.000 You want to learn how to taste wine?

00:30:44.000 You taste it.

00:30:46.000 You, it is by reason of use, that's what the verse says.

00:30:50.000 It is by reason of use, by means of use, that the senses learn to distinguish good from bad.

00:30:57.000 You learn to distinguish good from bad wine by tasting them, you learn to distinguish good from bad sports, um, athletic moves by participating in them, by using the senses.

00:31:09.000 You learn to distinguish the spiritually good from the spiritually bad by using the spiritual senses.

00:31:15.000 But God is so humble about it, He's so patient with us.

00:31:18.000 And what I'm arguing here, what I'm suggesting.

00:31:21.000 Is that kalos, kakos, kakos, kakophany, and kak, you know, we want instead of kakophany, we want kalophany, I guess.

00:31:30.000 But what we want to be doing is constantly, physically, intellectually, morally, and spiritually training the children, train the children's senses by using them.

00:31:43.000 By not, example, I said before, let them tell you the story back.

00:31:48.000 Another thing I would encourage you with children is read fables to them, but don't tell them the moral.

00:31:54.000 Ask them.

00:31:56.000 Ask them what the moral is so that they are using their moral sense.

00:32:00.000 And I've been doing this with adults and children for 20 years now. 0.98

00:32:03.000 There's a fable called The Ass's Shadow where a guy rents an ass to go from Athens to Megara, and along the way it's super hot. 0.99

00:32:10.000 So he tries to rest in the ass's shadow, and the driver of the ass, the taxi driver, bites with him about the spot. 1.00

00:32:17.000 So the ass runs away. 0.99

00:32:18.000 And so I never, I have never, ever told anybody this is what the moral of the story is. 0.99

00:32:18.000 Right. 0.99

00:32:24.000 But we talk about it.

00:32:26.000 I ask, you know, they tell me the story back and then I ask questions about it.

00:32:29.000 And then we make a simple comparison.

00:32:32.000 How is the driver like the youth?

00:32:34.000 Right.

00:32:35.000 And then we talk about that for a while.

00:32:36.000 It's a fun question.

00:32:37.000 And how are they different?

00:32:38.000 How are they like and how are they different?

00:32:40.000 Now I'm training their intellectual sense, which is all based on proportion, the sense of likeness and difference.

00:32:46.000 Right.

00:32:46.000 That's the fundamental sense.

00:32:48.000 So I'm training that.

00:32:49.000 But then I say to them after as long a conversation as whoever the person is that I'm talking to can handle, then I'll say, so what do you think?

00:32:57.000 What do you learn from this story? 1.00

00:32:59.000 And never once in 25 or 30 years has anybody ever said you should kill the guy or beat up the guy before he takes your ass. 0.99

00:33:10.000 It's always been don't fight over scarce resources. 0.99

00:33:14.000 Everybody has the moral law within them.

00:33:17.000 But if we just tell them all the time, then the sense of right and wrong isn't being cultivated.

00:33:23.000 Just the recollection of the rule.

00:33:26.000 You see the difference?

00:33:27.000 Well, maybe not the rule, but the moral.

00:33:29.000 And we've got to learn to.

00:33:30.000 Train their senses to distinguish the good from the bad morally spiritually, intellectually and physically.

00:33:38.000 You can do this with a soccer game, a football game sorry, you can do this with a football game.

00:33:43.000 You can watch it and say, which of those moves do you think were good?

00:33:46.000 Right, which of those?

00:33:47.000 Which of those moves?

00:33:48.000 Or, even better, better would be, compare what Harry King just did to what Mbobby just did, right now.

00:33:55.000 Now they are.

00:33:56.000 They're not becoming better soccer players, but they're getting better sorry, football players.

00:34:01.000 But they're getting better at evaluating at, at looking at reality And training their senses to distinguish it.

00:34:07.000 And very possibly, if they are into football, they might go out on the pitch next time and think more accurately about what to do and have more options in their back pocket.

00:34:17.000 Now, they won't automatically do it because their senses aren't trained in that, their physical senses.

00:34:22.000 But you see, and the main point I want to drive home here is that this is God's humility, that God is so humble to us that he gives us these physical opportunities that literally anybody in the world can develop.

00:34:35.000 So that when it comes time to grow up spiritually, we can look at all of that and we can look at mustard seeds and we can look at the trees and we can look at the water and we can say, That explains everything to me.

00:34:49.000 Why?

00:34:50.000 Because Christ is present in it.

00:34:52.000 That's how we gaze on Christ.

00:34:54.000 When we understand that we're in a cosmos, we gaze on Christ when we watch a tree grow.

00:35:02.000 When we want, and let me just crucially say here, just as I don't think you want to.

00:35:06.000 To say the fable, the moral of a fable to children, very often, sometimes maybe, but not very often.

00:35:12.000 In a similar way, if you're teaching them about nature, don't keep saying to them, don't forget Jesus did this.

00:35:21.000 Let them see it.

00:35:22.000 Let them make that discovery so that it means something to them because they won't forget.

00:35:28.000 If you're teaching them as though they live in a cosmos, it won't be hard for them to realize that there's meaning in this because God.

00:35:35.000 But in a Bible study, in a family devotions, then it's fine to talk about what the Bible says.

00:35:44.000 But while you're studying trees, let this light.

00:35:48.000 Okay, here, let me give you this illustration for this.

00:35:51.000 You're looking at Jupiter.

00:35:52.000 Okay, you're studying Jupiter with your kids, let's say.

00:35:54.000 They're in ninth grade or whatever.

00:35:56.000 You've got a nice telescope and you get some books and you're studying Jupiter.

00:35:59.000 Okay, what you don't want to do while you're studying Jupiter is start talking about the properties of the sun.

00:36:05.000 Okay, you talk about Jupiter.

00:36:07.000 Okay, and you'll say there's this red storm and it's a gaseous planet and it's this big and there's all these measurements and it's this far from the Earth.

00:36:17.000 And then at some point, You can ask them the question, well, how do we know it's a red storm?

00:36:25.000 Now they have to say, oh, because the sun shines on it.

00:36:29.000 Now it's time, naturally and organically, to recognize that we only can study Jupiter because the sun is shining on it.

00:36:37.000 And now we can start to look at the sun.

00:36:39.000 Now, if I'm studying the sun, it's fine, let's talk about the sun.

00:36:43.000 But while I'm talking about Jupiter, don't keep saying to the child, don't forget, we only know this because the sun's shining on it.

00:36:50.000 And in a similar way, you know, Christian textbooks can be so insecure, so worried about kids believing the wrong thing, that rather than let them train their senses to distinguish God's presence, instead what they do is they keep annoying the kids by saying, God did this, God did this, God did this.

00:37:07.000 And God doesn't do that.

00:37:08.000 I mean, when's the last time you looked at a tree outside and saw a sign on it that God put there that said, Hey, I did this?

00:37:13.000 He just doesn't do that.

00:37:15.000 He's let God be humble.

00:37:17.000 If God hides himself, let him hide himself.

00:37:19.000 But he will, it is the, how does it go in Deuteronomy?

00:37:23.000 It is the, It is the task of God.

00:37:28.000 The Lord has hidden the secret things, and it is the task of kings to reveal them or to explore them, to discover them.

00:37:36.000 Okay.

00:37:37.000 Teach your child, since they're going to be kings, teach them how to discover and explore God's hidden things.

00:37:42.000 And they're out there, they're everywhere.

00:37:43.000 They're not even necessarily hard to find once you have eyes to see and once you have ears to hear.

00:37:49.000 But don't over spiritualize it if you see what I mean.

00:37:51.000 That's what I meant before by the two tier world.

00:37:55.000 God is not far away.

00:37:57.000 God doesn't have to invade from the outside.

00:37:59.000 A miracle isn't a spirit invading a mechanism.

00:38:03.000 That's not what a miracle is.

00:38:04.000 How do you direct their attention?

00:38:06.000 Have you any suggestions on directing their attention if they're fascinated with some artifact of the culture?

00:38:13.000 Here's an example.

00:38:14.000 My kids love these weird dumpling things that kids are obsessed with now.

00:38:17.000 It's really, I mean, it's an alarmingly vacuous trend, if I can be frank.

00:38:22.000 You buy these different colored things, and they're sort of like, They couldn't be more futile, these objects. 0.97

00:38:31.000 How do you, if there is an organic interest taking place, how do you cultivate that?

00:38:40.000 Okay, so probably the organic interest is manipulated.

00:38:48.000 Okay, so you're probably not going to be able to confront it and pull them away from it unless you just literally physically remove the object from their life.

00:38:58.000 But if it's got a hold on their heart and soul, That's not necessarily a bad thing.

00:39:04.000 And here's the thing.

00:39:06.000 If you, okay, this is going to sound controversial the way I say this, but you cannot possibly want something that isn't good.

00:39:19.000 Okay.

00:39:21.000 First of all, God only makes good things.

00:39:23.000 And second of all, mankind and demons only have what God made to make things.

00:39:30.000 So fundamentally, within that thing, there is a good.

00:39:36.000 And what you don't want to do then, normally, I mean, it's just going to vary, but let me generalize and put it that way.

00:39:44.000 Normally, when you confront them, you're actually misleading them in a way.

00:39:52.000 You don't want them to think what's going to come of that, which is this thing is in and of itself bad, and I shouldn't like it, and I'm bad because I do.

00:40:07.000 The sense that you want them to develop is there is some good in this, and I should look for the good in it.

00:40:15.000 You don't give them this lecture, okay?

00:40:16.000 That's not what I'm saying, but it's the posture we have to take.

00:40:20.000 There's something good and wonderful in this, which I, as an adult, can't see, but there's something, some good that they're building this corrupt thing on.

00:40:30.000 And what I need to do is help them to see the glory of it.

00:40:34.000 And see here, okay, we talked about chaos, right?

00:40:38.000 You remember the Bee Gees?

00:40:42.000 So, they had a song back in like 1970.

00:40:45.000 They had a song that I actually think was classically inspired.

00:40:50.000 Maurice Gibb, I think it is, Barry Gibb wrote it.

00:40:53.000 And the line goes like this This world has lost its glory.

00:40:57.000 Let's start a brand new story.

00:40:59.000 Okay.

00:41:00.000 Now, he's doing it for the sake of romance.

00:41:04.000 But the reality is, he's kind of condensing Matthew Arnold's poem Dover Beach, which is about.

00:41:12.000 The world that seems to lie before us like the land of dreams is really nothing.

00:41:16.000 It's just violent.

00:41:17.000 So, love, let us be true to one another.

00:41:19.000 That's Matthew Arnold's solution to the deep skepticism and the chaos that they live in.

00:41:24.000 Let's be true to each other.

00:41:25.000 Not adequate, but better than let's sleep together tonight.

00:41:30.000 But what I'm getting at is this world has lost its glory.

00:41:35.000 In other words, it hasn't innately lost it, but we've lost our eyes to see it.

00:41:40.000 And so, because we believe it's fragmentary and broken down and everything, We don't even look for the glory of things anymore.

00:41:47.000 And this is the crucial point.

00:41:49.000 The glory of a tree and of the water and of the light shining on the water and of your eyes and of the amazing being that God spoke into existence when he said Russell Brand, the glory of that being is beyond anything that anybody has ever imagined.

00:42:12.000 And if we don't learn how to see the glory of things, we abuse them.

00:42:16.000 You mentioned pornography.

00:42:18.000 Why does pornography work? 1.00

00:42:19.000 Because it shows a glory of women, well, usually of women.

00:42:25.000 It shows a glory, but it's a reduced glory. 0.84

00:42:31.000 It's a lesser glory. 0.95

00:42:34.000 And it's appealing because we don't as easily see the real glory of womanhood. 0.98

00:42:42.000 We don't easily see what God means when he says woman, when he says Eve, right? 0.85

00:42:48.000 And if we learn to see the glory of things, Then it's not that the world has lost its glory, it's that we've poked out our eyes. 0.95

00:42:57.000 And we've got to train our children to see the glory of things, even when it's a man made thing that's more or less a piece of junk.

00:43:04.000 So, one of the ways to deal with that is in a different context, show them great art.

00:43:11.000 In a different context, show them something that's demanding, that strengthens their will, though they learn how to look so that they can see more glory.

00:43:20.000 And teach them how to use the instruments that are involved in making various things.

00:43:25.000 And then when they come to these other things, they'll realize it's like somebody who learns how to play the guitar.

00:43:31.000 You know, the electric guitar, if they get good, their taste changes.

00:43:35.000 If they learn how to play the violin, they're changed.

00:43:37.000 Because they, like, I don't know any instruments.

00:43:39.000 So when I listen to music, I still like the pop music I listened to 50 years ago, right?

00:43:45.000 But if I had learned to play, I probably would still like it, but I'd know, okay, that's fine.

00:43:51.000 It's a snack.

00:43:51.000 You can like that.

00:43:53.000 Okay, fine.

00:43:55.000 But that's not Bach's Mass in B minor.

00:43:57.000 You know, that's not a Mozart.

00:43:59.000 That's not a Beethoven.

00:44:00.000 Let's face it, that's not even a really great Beatles song what you're listening to.

00:44:04.000 So fine, enjoy it, but don't pretend it's great and don't pretend that it's doing you very much good here.

00:44:09.000 Whereas if we learn to sense, if we train the senses to perceive and to distinguish the good from the bad over time, then they'll just kind of, well, people do, don't they?

00:44:21.000 They outgrow things.

00:44:23.000 And so I guess what I would say is don't take an anxious posture.

00:44:28.000 Don't worry.

00:44:29.000 Don't think to yourself, oh no, my child is being ruined.

00:44:32.000 But just look at the thing, try to find what glory it does have, delight in that.

00:44:37.000 Enjoy that and then find better stuff, right?

00:44:44.000 There are people who love Pokemon.

00:44:46.000 I've never had a taste for it, but I used to love baseball cards as a kid.

00:44:50.000 And I, you know, I don't look back on baseball cards and think that was saving my soul, but I learned a lot.

00:44:57.000 You know, I knew baseball well and I learned more than that.

00:45:01.000 I got really good at calculating ERAs, it was good for my math, right?

00:45:04.000 Earned run average, sorry.

00:45:05.000 But you can get these benefits, but, but, The stuff kids get into, I would almost put it this way it's important to let kids really get into things as long as they're not positively harmful, not pornography, for example.

00:45:22.000 But if they're into something that is innately innocent and they're going to outgrow it, then let them get into it, enjoy it with them, celebrate the glory in it, and then grow out of it because they can't get fixated if you resist.

00:45:38.000 I understand.

00:45:40.000 I hope that's helpful.

00:45:41.000 It was helpful.

00:45:42.000 It was actually a brilliant analysis.

00:45:44.000 And I know that you know where the thread, you know where the line is.

00:45:48.000 You can find more about Andrew Kearns' work by clicking the link in the description.

00:45:53.000 Go to the CerseiInstitute.com or go to CerseiIns on X Twitter or Instagram.

00:46:00.000 Those links are in the description to get more tools for teaching your children.

00:46:04.000 Me, the things I'm going to do so far based on that conversation is I'm going to read them some fables and go, what do you think that means?

00:46:10.000 And analyze it.

00:46:11.000 I'm going to, when we watch TV shows afterwards, get them to tell me what happened in that TV show.

00:46:15.000 We're going to do more reading in general and we're going to do writing with concentrating on getting that nib right on that middle finger now.

00:46:24.000 If it's not there, they're going to be in serious trouble and getting some serious calligraphy rocking.

00:46:30.000 Hey, thanks so much.

00:46:31.000 It was a really brilliant conversation and I'm serious.

00:46:34.000 I'd love to talk again.

00:46:36.000 I'd love to.

00:46:37.000 It's wonderful to meet you and I'm praying for you.

00:46:39.000 God bless you.

00:46:40.000 Oh, thanks.

00:46:40.000 And thanks for praying for my son when I mentioned him.

00:46:42.000 That was beautiful of you.

00:46:43.000 Thank you.

00:46:47.000 Hey, me and my wife Laura make Sunday service.

00:46:49.000 It's an intimate, authentic, transparent engagement where we talk about our spiritual faith.

00:46:56.000 Me, you know, I follow Jesus, huh?

00:46:58.000 And how that is relevant to the mystery of your life.

00:47:01.000 It's difficult to explain.

00:47:02.000 Have a look at it.

00:47:13.000 By the seventh day, God had finished the work he'd been doing.

00:47:19.000 So on the seventh day, he rested from all his work.

00:47:22.000 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

00:47:32.000 I use the seven day system actually in the book.

00:47:35.000 I put the 12 steps of AA, which I've written a book about before recovery, into a seven day system using the creation model.

00:47:44.000 You know, when I say how to become Christians in the same day, it's kind of like a joke. 0.80

00:47:47.000 You know, of course, it actually was quicker than that.

00:47:49.000 It took me both 50 years and in single instant.

00:47:53.000 This idea, Laura, that I've become fixated on, I hope I'm not annoying you, is like.

00:47:58.000 No independent self.

00:47:59.000 Because of.

00:48:01.000 But the rest, I think, is to sort of say, put your roots into new soil.

00:48:05.000 Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

00:48:08.000 Actually, yeah, funnily enough, I have something to read on that, but yeah.

00:48:13.000 Do you want to read it now?

00:48:14.000 Well, actually.

00:48:16.000 Or did you want to comment on Genesis 2?

00:48:17.000 I wanted to comment on Genesis 2 because obviously that leads to the fourth commandment.

00:48:21.000 And what we're talking about before is about rest and about the Sabbath.

00:48:26.000 And then what we're saying is, I'm saying is, some people are too enmeshed with busyness and et cetera to even get down to the basics.

00:48:35.000 So if we're looking at prescriptive rest, then one could say look no further than the fourth commandment.

00:48:42.000 I think Exodus 28.

00:48:43.000 Oh, Laura.

00:48:44.000 You can go.

00:48:45.000 Well, I have to do my own.

00:48:46.000 I've got enough of my depth.

00:48:50.000 I think that you will find some of those.

00:48:52.000 I think you'll find.

00:48:54.000 Okay, well, while you're reading that, Exodus 28.

00:48:54.000 Come on.

00:49:00.000 Oh.

00:49:03.000 The idea that we all do need a prescriptive way of being, I suppose, is bared in the commandments themselves, which actually I don't even know off by heart myself.

00:49:15.000 No, no, no.

00:49:16.000 And I did have to.

00:49:17.000 Oh, you've actually highlighted.

00:49:18.000 That well, because I'm actually very serious about Jesus.

00:49:22.000 Well, like, let's just check that that's the correct one.

00:49:25.000 So, God spoke these words I am the Lord your God who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

00:49:31.000 The slavery in the case of the Israelites is literal, but for all of us, we are enslaved to the fallenness of self.

00:49:37.000 You shall have no other gods before me.

00:49:39.000 If you put anything in front of this kingdom of God, so that's number one.

00:49:44.000 Okay, is it?

00:49:45.000 I'm asking, I guess so.

00:49:46.000 Yeah, you shall have no other gods before me.

00:49:48.000 You shall not make for yourself an image in any form of anything in heaven, above or on the earth, beneath or in the waves, or low.

00:49:56.000 You shall not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the parents, for the sin of the parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.

00:50:10.000 But showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

00:50:17.000 You shall not, so I guess that's two.

00:50:19.000 You shall, and this is three, you shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

00:50:19.000 Yeah.

00:50:29.000 Remember, now, four, remember the Sabbath.

00:50:32.000 Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

00:50:35.000 Six days you shall labor and do your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God.

00:50:39.000 On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son, or your daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals.

00:50:47.000 It's really going into, you're going to find a loophole.

00:50:49.000 It's a list.

00:50:50.000 Nor any foreigner residing in your town, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that's in them, but he rested on the seventh day.

00:50:56.000 Therefore, the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

00:50:59.000 Yeah.

00:50:59.000 So, I mean, unbelievable, really, because actually, I read a bit about Sabbath because there was a book I bought on, oh, this one actually, Weekly Rest Project.

00:51:09.000 But it was just a, I don't even know who it's by.

00:51:11.000 It's sort of like.

00:51:12.000 Oh, it's God.

00:51:12.000 Okay, it's a generated sort of journaling book, is what it is.

00:51:16.000 But it is about, it's literally everything is about the Sabbath.

00:51:19.000 You're meant to every week, every Sabbath, you're meant to sort of journal and it guides you through.

00:51:24.000 So I presume, so in Sabbath, the meaning of the word Sabbath, Russell, I'm not, this isn't a test, this is conversation.

00:51:32.000 Hebrew word Shabbat, correct?

00:51:35.000 Peace. 0.98

00:51:36.000 To cease.

00:51:37.000 And to stop.

00:51:37.000 Cease.

00:51:40.000 To stop exerting.

00:51:42.000 Yeah, so to stop exerting, to stop, to cease.

00:51:46.000 And.

00:51:48.000 I suppose we can all look at ourselves about.

00:51:51.000 I don't know.

00:51:52.000 I suppose, do you agree that a restful day, a Sabbath day, not everyone's going to have the same type, are they?

00:52:00.000 Because to one person, cooking might be like, I absolutely don't cook on a Sabbath.

00:52:03.000 But then to someone else, it might be like, actually, cooking restores me, it nourishes me.

00:52:09.000 So it's going to be an individual.

00:52:11.000 Be with him.

00:52:12.000 Be with him.

00:52:13.000 Yeah.

00:52:13.000 But I saw Father Mike Schmitz, the magnificent, say, But for him, if he's resting, he has to do his exercise early in the morning, like your mate Lara said.

00:52:22.000 Because for him, he doesn't feel rested otherwise.

00:52:25.000 Brad Good, the pastor of church near here, he once said, Observe this commandment.

00:52:31.000 If you're not resting and you're sort of like, I never rest, I'm busy, you're reiterating your allegiance to the fallen systems of the world.

00:52:39.000 No one would ever say, I looked at a lot of pornography and boast about it like it was a good thing.

00:52:47.000 And not resting is disobedience.

00:52:49.000 In the end, faith and obedience become one.

00:52:49.000 Yes.

00:52:52.000 If you have faith, you will obey because your faith is exhibited in your obedience.

00:52:57.000 Ye of little faith, if you think I have to continue working all the time, what you're saying is I do not trust God.

00:53:03.000 I am in control.

00:53:05.000 I am sovereign.

00:53:06.000 I am king.

00:53:08.000 In the book that, well, in something I was reading on, actually, I can't remember which book I was reading about.

00:53:14.000 It might have been the journaling book.

00:53:16.000 It says practicing Sabbath.

00:53:17.000 It's also an opportunity for us to notice, to receive, and to give thanks.

00:53:23.000 So it's.

00:53:23.000 About when you're stopping, you're more likely to notice, then you have to receive.

00:53:28.000 So, if we go back to creation, so Genesis, we got God gives us the world.

00:53:36.000 Then God delights in his finished work and invites us to do that as well, which is the restful part.

00:53:42.000 And then we respond with praise and thankfulness.

00:53:46.000 So, it's creation, rest, and praise.

00:53:49.000 That's that little three.

00:53:51.000 That's beautiful.

00:53:51.000 And I wondered if we're ready to close because we've been going now.

00:53:55.000 I like to keep it.

00:53:57.000 I like to keep it tight.

00:53:58.000 You like to be in control the whole time.

00:53:59.000 No, I tell you what, it's very practical.

00:54:01.000 It's because Massey and they're compressing the files.

00:54:05.000 I've got to compress files.

00:54:06.000 You're a producer, you're a director.

00:54:09.000 But also, I now know that if we go over 60 minutes or something, it honestly takes like five hours to download.

00:54:15.000 Can I read you my things?

00:54:16.000 I wanted to read ever since the beginning.

00:54:17.000 Oh, gosh, yes.

00:54:18.000 And then I wanted to read one more thing myself.

00:54:20.000 So why don't you read Wendell Berry?

00:54:22.000 No, you read Wendell Berry.

00:54:24.000 What?

00:54:25.000 And then you close with this?

00:54:26.000 No, I'll just do this now.

00:54:28.000 Good.

00:54:28.000 If I may.

00:54:29.000 Go right.

00:54:29.000 Yes, please.

00:54:31.000 And then I'm going to.

00:54:31.000 It's not going to shake our marriage to its very vibrations.

00:54:33.000 It's not.

00:54:33.000 No, I am going to prepare my piece from Wendell Berry and then you can read your pieces.

00:54:43.000 This is from the book of Isaiah.

00:54:45.000 This is what is often used as a demonstration of a scriptural perspective on Satan.

00:54:53.000 Today we've been discussing Satan as a kind of energy system or frequency of self.

00:55:01.000 When one is in self, self for self.

00:55:03.000 Oriented towards selfishness, one is in the kingdom of the enemy.

00:55:09.000 Here in Isaiah 14, 12, it says, the prophet Isaiah says, of the fallen one, how you have fallen from heaven, morning star, sun of the dawn.

00:55:23.000 You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations.

00:55:28.000 Of course, this is a reference to this supernatural war that is ongoing, but everything is downstream, as they say, of spiritual warfare.

00:55:38.000 As it says in Ephesians 6 12, we fight not against flesh and blood, but against dark powers in the spiritual realm, against authorities.

00:55:47.000 We must know that the world is controlled by the enemy.

00:55:50.000 It continues You've said in your heart, now notice the use of the word I here I will ascend to the heavens, I will raise my throne above the stars of God, I will sit enthroned on the Mount Assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon, I will ascend above the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High.

00:56:11.000 My point is that all of us enter into this state when we consider ourselves to be sovereign of our own lives.

00:56:18.000 My true sin is that I lived my life very, very selfishly.

00:56:23.000 Our challenge is that we can easily return to this state of selfhood unless we are mindful of God, unless we seek first the kingdom of God, unless we're able to access the redeemed frequency established at Calvary by Christ on the cross, returning us to this potentiality, this state of potentiality.

00:56:41.000 Of the garden where we both have free will, so we're free to choose what we want.

00:56:45.000 Because if we didn't have free will to choose God, there would be no point in us existing, it would not be a relational, flowing reality, it would be a stagnant, dead reality, dead in sin indeed.

00:56:55.000 For us to have reality at all, we must have freedom.

00:56:59.000 We use this freedom as Laura beautifully described.

00:57:02.000 What was it first of all, receive and worship?

00:57:05.000 Oh, notice, receive, give thanks.

00:57:07.000 Notice firstly, we notice him.

00:57:09.000 Step one, receive, we become aware to receive his grace and his power.

00:57:13.000 And then we live our life in worship, and our worship is to serve him.

00:57:17.000 Yeah.

00:57:17.000 Later on in 45, this is where we learn the nature of the God that we could serve.

00:57:22.000 In Isaiah 14, there, that's the God of when we are fallen, when we like the fallen one, or like the original family, the first people in the garden, they elected disobedience.

00:57:34.000 They lost their faith.

00:57:35.000 They listened to the murmuring sybaritic self, the low self, the belly and the mouth, the low self, no vertical axes.

00:57:46.000 45 Isaiah.

00:57:47.000 This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of, to subdue the nations before him, to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him, so that gates will not be shut.

00:57:58.000 I will go before you and will level the mountains. 0.50

00:58:02.000 I will break down gates of bronze and cut through bars of iron.

00:58:05.000 I will give you hidden treasures, riches stored in secret places, so that you may know that I am the Lord.

00:58:11.000 I summon you by name.

00:58:15.000 When we are in Him, we are free indeed.

00:58:17.000 And to access that place, we must stop because, inadvertently, whether we know it or not, when our identity is in the world, when we are worshipping the world, we are in, even if we consider it neutrality, we are in the place of fallenness.

00:58:32.000 All self effort is actually Satan effort, whether good or bad in appearance.

00:58:39.000 Thank you.

00:58:39.000 That's really good.

00:58:40.000 You're very good at tying things in like that, aren't you?

00:58:43.000 Thank you, Laura.

00:58:54.000 Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation with Andrew Kern.

00:58:56.000 Thank you for joining us.

00:58:57.000 Remember, we'll be back at these times for the next four weeks.

00:59:02.000 It's very important that you join us, but more important even than that is that you please, if you can, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - July 03, 2026

The War for Your Child’s Soul… - SF737

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