Stay Free - Russel Brand - “There’s NOTHING Left!” 600,000 Ukrainians DEAD! | Colonel Douglas Macgregor On The Ukraine War

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00:04:25.000 Colonel Douglas McGregor is a U.S.

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00:04:50.000 Colonel Douglas McGregor, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation on Stay Free Today.

00:04:55.000 That's great to be with you.

00:04:57.000 One of the things I noticed in your country on a recent visit is when I was speaking to a Lieutenant Colonel, who's obviously a West Point graduate, and several other members of military families, I sensed a great deal of discontent and dissatisfaction from, in this case, servicemen, that were deeply patriotic, as you might imagine, obviously, and yet have serious questions about the American government's activities, in particular, obviously, their military activities.

00:05:32.000 What does it tell us about the state of a nation when those that we would assume to be most patriotic are at odds with the leadership of their nation?

00:05:45.000 Well, remember that soldiers normally, we'll say for discussion purposes, soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, but I normally think in terms of soldiers, they're men of action.

00:05:58.000 And men of action have as good as very little conscience.

00:06:03.000 In other words, they're people who are prepared to act quickly and decisively, you know, on the orders of their government.

00:06:11.000 And I think that that's been true for most of our history.

00:06:14.000 The problem at this point is that I think we've reached a turning point where people are actively questioning, what the hell are we doing here?

00:06:24.000 I mean, the average soldier gets off a plane in a place like Iraq and he spends about 15 minutes there.

00:06:32.000 He looks around and he says, there's nothing here.

00:06:36.000 Why am I here?

00:06:38.000 And very shortly thereafter, he concludes, there's nothing here worth my life, so I'm going to make damn sure that I come home, because I don't want to die in this godforsaken place.

00:06:49.000 That's not a good thing.

00:06:51.000 You cannot maintain an effective military establishment with that attitude.

00:06:55.000 But I think that's what most soldiers finally conclude in places like Afghanistan or Syria or Iraq.

00:07:01.000 We're not social workers.

00:07:03.000 We're not crusaders.

00:07:05.000 And remember, our mission is to defend, uphold and defend the Constitution, obey the orders of the President.

00:07:13.000 What's that got to do with social engineering in Iraq or feeding starving people in Somalia?

00:07:19.000 Not a great deal.

00:07:20.000 I mean, we could do those things, but that's not what we exist to do.

00:07:24.000 So I think you're dealing with people who are questioning the very rationale for what they do in the military.

00:07:31.000 Once the phrase support the troops, Colonel, was an easy way to silence dissent.

00:07:38.000 Now it seems to support the troops would mean to oppose the agenda of the American establishment and, if I might offer, the military-industrial complex.

00:07:52.000 So What does that suggest has altered in the last 30 years?

00:07:57.000 And I suppose intuitively I might imagine, based on your answer and your citation of Iraq, although I'm sure much of that is based on personal experience, did something change around the time of that conflict?

00:08:10.000 Or is this something that's been happening since the end of World War II?

00:08:13.000 When did the idea that supporting the troops meant patriotism and shut your mouth and get behind the agenda, when did that idea start to disintegrate?

00:08:23.000 Well, I think we've been through this transformation or evolution, whatever you want to call it, twice.

00:08:30.000 We certainly went through this in the 1960s with Vietnam. 1.00

00:08:33.000 And I remember the violent arguments in my own home between my mother's generation and my grandparents' generation.

00:08:42.000 And she would say repeatedly, I don't like Lyndon Johnson, the president, but we have to support the troops.

00:08:49.000 And my grandfather, who had been in the First World War, said, well, if you want to support the troops, get them the hell out of there and bring them home.

00:08:56.000 But of course, he thought World War I was a complete waste of time and had been a terrible mistake.

00:09:02.000 So I think we've been through this several times.

00:09:04.000 The difference now is that it's not just a question of what we're doing overseas, it's a question of what we're doing at home.

00:09:11.000 Americans are coming back and saying, well, what's happened to my country?

00:09:16.000 I went overseas ostensibly to defend the interests of the United States, and no one here is willing to enforce the law.

00:09:23.000 Our borders are open.

00:09:24.000 You know, every conceivable form of perversion seems to be tolerated, and anyone who objects is branded as a criminal.

00:09:34.000 So, you know, this is the ultimate expression of everything, I think, that is concerning in the United States today.

00:09:43.000 Soldiers are no different than anybody else.

00:09:45.000 They're probably more patriotic, as you point out.

00:09:47.000 But they're saying, what are we doing to ourselves?

00:09:49.000 What are we doing overseas?

00:09:51.000 This is all insanity.

00:09:54.000 Has then an evident fissure emerged, not only as has been observable and palpable for a long time between the interests of the establishment and the interests of what you might call ordinary Americans, but a fissure has emerged between the interests of the American establishment And the American military, which you've just indicated is something that's almost rhythmic, that it's happened before, after the First World War, there was cynicism about subsequent wars.

00:10:29.000 And I wonder now, if in this age of information and instantaneous communication, with the ability for dissent to be so widely spread and proliferated, if it's impossible to sustain the kind of uh... dominion that was plausible before. Many of the

00:10:49.000 pieces that have impacted me

00:10:51.000 involve you know american servicemen, Aaron Bush and all setting himself on fire. I've seen active service personnel

00:10:58.000 talking about mandated programs within the military, medical programs that were

00:11:01.000 mandated, that were unpopular I understand with many service people.

00:11:05.000 So now people are aware

00:11:09.000 that because I suppose in your earlier example somehow the dissent that arose

00:11:13.000 from dissatisfaction in the first world war was able to be quashed and

00:11:16.000 compliance was able to once again be achieved for subsequent conflicts.

00:11:21.000 Now it seems to me that there might be, that dissent might reach a kind of tipping point.

00:11:28.000 Do you agree?

00:11:29.000 Is that possible, Colonel?

00:11:31.000 No, I think we're reaching more than just a tipping point.

00:11:35.000 I think we've sort of walked off the cliff and are headed into an abyss right now at high speed.

00:11:42.000 And I think lots of people in uniform senses.

00:11:45.000 But keep in mind that the senior ranks are highly politicized.

00:11:49.000 In other words, the ruling class in Washington, and you can call it whatever you like, this globalist neocon class, whatever you care to call it, is effectively owned by donors.

00:12:02.000 So we talk about donor occupation of Washington.

00:12:05.000 In other words, Washington used to be a place where we said corporate interests occupied it.

00:12:10.000 Today, it's donor occupied.

00:12:13.000 We have our own version of oligarchs with billions and billions of dollars.

00:12:18.000 They are capable of buying up members of Congress and have effectively done so.

00:12:23.000 I mean, on one of your previous shows, you had a gentleman on and you pointed out that only 21 People had voted against this latest legislation, sending billions of dollars overseas and at the same time disenfranchising us from the Bill of Rights, essentially saying that you can conduct surveillance without a warrant.

00:12:42.000 Well, how could these things happen?

00:12:44.000 Well, it happens because there's no incentive for the people on the Hill in Washington, D.C., in the Capitol, to respond to their constituents, to respond to the average American.

00:12:55.000 They're responding to their donors.

00:12:58.000 You know, there's a saying in Washington, voters don't get you elected, donors get you elected.

00:13:03.000 In other words, why bother with the so-called citizenry?

00:13:07.000 It's the donor who makes or breaks you.

00:13:09.000 And they spend all of their time collecting money from donors in order to stay in office.

00:13:15.000 So they have to vote in a certain way.

00:13:17.000 I mean, it's kind of the ultimate sort of corruption that Cromwell confronted when he tossed out the rump parliament. 0.98

00:13:26.000 First, he tossed out the parliament, then the rump parliament, and ended up dictating to the country. 0.51

00:13:32.000 Well, I think we've reached a similar condition in the United States.

00:13:35.000 It's just that people are looking around at the wars that we've been involved with.

00:13:40.000 They're not wars on the scale of the Second World War, certainly, but military interventions.

00:13:45.000 And they've concluded, what do we get from this?

00:13:47.000 Where's the return on investment?

00:13:49.000 And then, of course, they've seen very recently with Mr.

00:13:51.000 Trump, who's been saying this for years, who did a 180 degree turn and supported this latest 0.99

00:13:58.000 legislation, which fuels the stupidity overseas in Ukraine, fuels the operations in the Middle 0.98

00:14:07.000 East, fuels Taiwan. 0.99

00:14:08.000 This conflict with Taiwan and China that is entirely of our making at this stage has nothing

00:14:14.000 to do with reality.

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00:14:40.000 I wonder, Colonel, do you feel like a kind of personal apostasy, making such declarations of anti-war sentiment, when previously it was assumed, if I think of that great American satirical artifact, Doctor Strangelove, Like the military leadership are the most priapic and the most gung-ho and the most, as you indicated earlier, and I recognise this not as a pejorative remark, that soldiers are men of action and thank God that they are.

00:15:18.000 But now it appears to me That we are at the point where the rudimentary requirement that a state has for a military in order to conduct the kind of foreign exercises that you and I are both critiquing, criticizing and questioning here, that's one aspect of the military.

00:15:41.000 The other one is of course to Illicit demand and require that the domestic population understand that the rule of law is backed by violence.

00:15:53.000 always seemed extraordinary, paradoxical and an evident tension that, broadly speaking,

00:16:01.000 the majority of military personnel are drawn from the communities that they would be required

00:16:06.000 to subjugate in the event of an uprising. Now you've evoked the memory of Oliver Cromwell

00:16:12.000 and ultimately we're discussing, or at least circling, the subject of revolution. It seems

00:16:20.000 to me that with a donor class dominating Washington, with another $95 billion bill being passed

00:16:27.000 concomitant with the C702 unlimited and near unlimited surveillance powers that were granted

00:16:33.000 by that, we are on some kind of precipice where even the idea that it's a national elite

00:16:41.000 that are controlling America seems questionable.

00:16:44.000 It might be transcendent of that.

00:16:46.000 It seems that, in a way, the The idea that the political class represent the people, for some time people have suspected, no, they represent the donor class.

00:16:58.000 The idea that the military serve and protect the people.

00:17:01.000 No, actually, now it's clear that they are operating on behalf of these interests.

00:17:06.000 Well, now all of this is starting to come to the forefront.

00:17:09.000 Do you think we could be approaching a time where the military were supportive of a movement extraneous to the government?

00:17:21.000 I think what you've got now is the realisation that's beginning to sink in with most Americans, period, whether they're in uniform or not, that it doesn't make a great deal of difference for whom you vote, you get the same bad outcome.

00:17:35.000 So that's number one.

00:17:37.000 Beyond that, very few people in uniform think in terms of taking up arms against the government.

00:17:44.000 I certainly never have.

00:17:45.000 I never knew anybody who did.

00:17:47.000 No one ever thinks in those terms.

00:17:51.000 I think, if anything, the current ruling class has tried to populate the senior ranks with people who would try to order us—in other words, those of us who are not three- and four-star generals or admirals—order us to suppress internal dissent.

00:18:09.000 I'm not sure it would work.

00:18:12.000 So I think at this point, we can't even talk about anything that's military vis-a-vis the government.

00:18:18.000 I think right now the American military, if it was asked to do very much, people would openly question it.

00:18:25.000 Now, keep in mind, this may be one of the reasons why you have problems with recruiting.

00:18:31.000 It's not just a question of people saying, Well, I don't want to join an organization like, say, the U.S.

00:18:39.000 Army.

00:18:40.000 It's more than that.

00:18:42.000 There are several different problems.

00:18:43.000 First of all, you can't turn around and tell some 19, 20-year-old male in the United States who wants to be a combat soldier that Susie or Betty or Mary over here, who weigh all of 120 pounds, can do anything he can do. 0.76

00:18:58.000 He takes the position, well, if Mary and Susie and Betty can do anything, then you don't need me because I'm not going to be part of such a ridiculous organization.

00:19:09.000 You've got to understand, it's just absurdity what we've done to ourselves in that sense.

00:19:13.000 This is part of the social engineering that's been going on for decades.

00:19:18.000 That's part of it.

00:19:19.000 Now we're being told, You know, your performance doesn't count.

00:19:22.000 Character, competence, and intelligence don't count.

00:19:26.000 It's your ideological fervor, your commitment to diversity, inclusion, and equity. 0.99

00:19:31.000 Well, most normal Americans look at that and say, well, that's crap.

00:19:36.000 You know, if I'm not going to be evaluated on the basis of my performance, and I'm not going to be advanced inside a meritocracy, which the military, more than perhaps most institutions in the United States, has tried to achieve, then I don't see any point in becoming a member. 0.68

00:19:51.000 So that's part of our recruiting problem.

00:19:53.000 And then finally, you have this repeated abuse of people in uniform.

00:19:58.000 Year after year after year on rotation after rotation in a hellhole like Afghanistan. 1.00

00:20:05.000 Now just what is it that we are in Afghanistan to do?

00:20:08.000 That's what soldiers will say.

00:20:10.000 Same thing in Iraq.

00:20:11.000 Same thing in Syria.

00:20:13.000 You want me to do what?

00:20:15.000 I'm saving these people over here.

00:20:17.000 They don't want to be saved.

00:20:18.000 They don't even want me in their country.

00:20:20.000 All of these people hate me and want me to leave, so what do you want me to do here?

00:20:24.000 And that's when the soldier becomes interested preeminently in survival.

00:20:28.000 And if a soldier is more interested in his survival than anything else, he's not much good to us anymore.

00:20:34.000 So we've demoralized the armed forces on multiple levels right now.

00:20:40.000 And the best thing that we could do would be to bring our forces back to the United States where they belong, because frankly, contrary to popular belief, there is no existential military threat to the United States.

00:20:51.000 There are no massive armies gathering to invade us.

00:20:54.000 No one wants to blow us up.

00:20:57.000 We, frankly speaking, are provoking people everywhere.

00:21:01.000 And we are very provocative in our policies, in our approach.

00:21:05.000 And every time you question this, people tell you, oh, well, the Chinese, look at them, they're building a big navy.

00:21:11.000 Well, the Chinese navy has serious problems. 0.99

00:21:14.000 They're hopelessly corrupt.

00:21:15.000 They're putting people in jail left and right because they can't build ships that float properly. 0.82

00:21:20.000 They can't maintain missile forces that can fire because people are draining the liquid rocket fuel out of the rockets. 0.84

00:21:29.000 I mean, come on, this is ridiculous. 0.99

00:21:32.000 China is a mess. 0.99

00:21:33.000 And now the problem is, well, if you want to defeat The forces of evil that are killing 110 or 120,000 Americans every year from fentanyl poisoning, you do that by attacking China. 0.97

00:21:46.000 No, you don't.

00:21:47.000 You do it by closing your border. 0.98

00:21:50.000 You do it by rounding up drug dealers and executing them.

00:21:53.000 I mean, we've seen this happen in places like Singapore and the Philippines.

00:21:58.000 That works.

00:21:59.000 We won't do those things.

00:22:00.000 Congress doesn't care about those things. 0.99

00:22:03.000 You know, we have half a million children a year that disappear.

00:22:07.000 We don't have a single federal or state agency that is dedicated to tracking the children that disappear.

00:22:16.000 Just imagine that.

00:22:17.000 You're losing half a million people every year, roughly, and no one tries to track them.

00:22:22.000 Where's the database?

00:22:24.000 Where have these people gone?

00:22:26.000 How did they disappear?

00:22:28.000 And I'm told that that number that I just gave you is probably on the low side, in terms of an estimate.

00:22:35.000 But we won't stop human trafficking across the borders.

00:22:38.000 We pretend it's not real, or that we can't detect it, but you can ask the border patrolman to look at these so-called families, and they'll tell you right off the bat that a lot of these children don't belong to the people that are bringing them into the country. 0.97

00:22:51.000 But we do nothing about it.

00:22:53.000 You know, we're not enforcing our own laws.

00:22:55.000 And so these are the things that people that come back from multiple deployments overseas look at and say, why am I in the armed forces?

00:23:05.000 The demoralisation and social engineering are both fascinating aspects of this because it suggests that if there is a kind of entropy and decline within the American armed forces it is part of a deliberate process and it's interesting to speculate as to why an institution would deliberately undertake deleterious action against itself

00:23:31.000 and of course we will cover the domestic issues that are affecting your

00:23:38.000 nation I hope over the course of our conversation. I am interested in the escalation

00:23:43.000 of conflict across the globe and its apparent motivation.

00:23:47.000 After the Afghanistan conflict, it appears that very little has been achieved by America's involvement other than the two trillion dollars spent and what the eventual destination of much of that expenditure may have been.

00:24:01.000 Of course, obviously and notably, the military industrial complex companies like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman who do, it appears, employ top military personnel who frequently appear on legacy media shows to endorse ongoing conflict.

00:24:19.000 I wonder is it your personal and obviously professional opinion that events in Ukraine are Significantly different from the version that is commonly rendered through legacy media.

00:24:34.000 What is the significance of NATO impeachment on former Soviet territory?

00:24:39.000 What is the significance of CIA involvement in the 2014 coup?

00:24:43.000 How important is it that there are 10 or 12 CIA bases in Ukraine?

00:24:49.000 And indeed, how Involved are the United States military in a variety of ways, whether it's through special forces or military advisors, obviously the provision of armaments, diplomatic advice, and of course through guiding and indeed sabotaging potential peace talks,

00:25:12.000 Is it clear that the United States has an agenda or the United States establishment have an agenda when it comes to Russia?

00:25:21.000 And is it essentially that the United States do not want regional superpowers like Russia or China?

00:25:31.000 Are the American people and the world at large being sold a kind of unipolar power project as variously humanitarian or in support of democracy or a variety of other smokescreens?

00:25:46.000 Well, in answer to the three or four hundred questions you just raised, I would say the following.

00:25:53.000 You have several things happening on different levels.

00:25:55.000 On one level, you have a population in the United States That admittedly likes to think of itself as the center of the universe.

00:26:04.000 We're not very different from the British population before the outbreak of World War I. You know, the attitude was, we've got the men, we've got the guns, we've got the money too.

00:26:16.000 In other words, we're the richest, we're the strongest, and we can effectively impose our will.

00:26:23.000 It took Britain 50 years to destroy itself through two world wars.

00:26:29.000 I would even start earlier with the Boer War, probably.

00:26:32.000 But 50 years to destroy itself.

00:26:34.000 We've done this in the space of less than 30.

00:26:37.000 So we've turned out to be more efficient.

00:26:39.000 Perhaps that's part of the communications revolution that you mentioned earlier.

00:26:44.000 So we've got a problem.

00:26:46.000 Americans have been told repeatedly, we're the greatest.

00:26:49.000 You know, it's a sort of a terminal case of national narcissism.

00:26:53.000 That we're the greatest, we're God's gift to mankind, and so forth, and we have to bring liberty, justice, democracy, and the American way to everybody.

00:27:02.000 Most Americans are not interested in doing that at the point of a bayonet.

00:27:07.000 And originally, Americans thought of themselves as a people where if we're good, if we're successful, if we're prosperous, others will imitate us.

00:27:15.000 And that's a good thing.

00:27:16.000 Very few Americans ever thought in terms of we're going to use our military power to sort of export America.

00:27:24.000 And that hasn't worked worth a damn, obviously.

00:27:27.000 So that's one thing.

00:27:28.000 The second thing is that Americans are waking up to the reality that you mentioned.

00:27:32.000 In fact, somebody you should bring on and consider talking to is Nassim Taleb.

00:27:37.000 Nassim Taleb wrote a book in which he describes in great detail this concept of the black swan, the notion that you have black swans swimming around in the financial sector and it's only at some point the black swan shows up and destroys everything and you have a major crisis.

00:27:56.000 He tries to explain how this happens and how people ignore it.

00:28:00.000 His point is that the people at the top don't have skin in the game.

00:28:05.000 And you've got to keep in mind, nobody has skin in the game in Washington.

00:28:09.000 The only skin they're concerned about is themselves.

00:28:11.000 In other words, they're not going to be committed to anything overseas to fight for anybody under any circumstances.

00:28:19.000 Those are other people's children. 0.97

00:28:21.000 And after all, they were dumb enough to volunteer to do this, which is the attitude behind closed doors. 0.88

00:28:28.000 So they make everybody feel good by saying, well, thank you for your service. 0.98

00:28:31.000 And in reality, what they're saying is, thank God I don't have to be bothered doing this nonsense.

00:28:36.000 It's more like the plumber who comes to fix the toilet that won't flush.

00:28:41.000 You know, that's what you are.

00:28:43.000 Thank you so much for your service.

00:28:45.000 You're flushing the problem down the drain for us.

00:28:47.000 We appreciate it.

00:28:49.000 They're not really interested in it.

00:28:50.000 They don't care as long as the money flows.

00:28:53.000 And they don't care how the money is spent.

00:28:55.000 Now, why is this?

00:28:57.000 Part of it is the fact that we haven't faced anybody militarily that we could not easily dominate for a long, long time.

00:29:05.000 The last time we fought an organized enemy in the field, it was the Iraqi military.

00:29:10.000 And that military obviously was in no position to withstand us under any circumstances.

00:29:15.000 But you've got to go all the way back to the Korean War, where you saw an American army almost driven into the sea by a North Korean force.

00:29:25.000 We ended up in this thing called the Pusan Perimeter.

00:29:28.000 And then, of course, MacArthur comes out of mothballs and ultimately retrieves our chestnuts from the fire with Inchon and so forth.

00:29:37.000 But we almost went out of business as an army at that point.

00:29:41.000 We're very lucky that we survived.

00:29:43.000 We haven't had that kind of experience for a long time.

00:29:47.000 Instead, we've had an experience that says, well, here's a PowerPoint briefing, General.

00:29:52.000 These are the targets for today.

00:29:55.000 We're going to do X, Y, and Z, and the enemy sits there and waits for you to show up and exterminate him.

00:30:02.000 This is not war.

00:30:04.000 So we're now in a different situation.

00:30:06.000 We're looking at Ukraine.

00:30:08.000 Russia, in the last two and a half years, has built up an enormously powerful and successful force.

00:30:15.000 This is battle-hardened, well-equipped, well-led, well-trained, highly disciplined.

00:30:22.000 The Ukrainian force has been annihilated.

00:30:24.000 They've lost over 600,000 dead on the battlefield.

00:30:28.000 There's nothing left.

00:30:29.000 The place is falling apart.

00:30:32.000 And most of the money you were talking about will never get there.

00:30:35.000 It's simply sent through the washing machine over to defense and then to the defense industries, and then the donations flow back to the Hill.

00:30:43.000 So it's not a question that we're sending $60 billion.

00:30:48.000 And putting it into Zelensky's hands now.

00:30:51.000 Now Zelensky and his friends will profit, no doubt about it.

00:30:54.000 Let's not kid ourselves, they'll get some of it.

00:30:56.000 How much?

00:30:57.000 Who knows?

00:30:57.000 I mean, this is the most corrupt country in the world.

00:31:00.000 This is a country that has missing children probably at this point in the hundreds of thousands. 0.98

00:31:08.000 Prostitution out of control. 0.54

00:31:10.000 I mean, you're talking about criminality on a scale that we in the West can't even begin to imagine.

00:31:15.000 It's a tragedy.

00:31:16.000 It's the worst of all possible outcomes.

00:31:20.000 The Ukrainian nation has been destroyed.

00:31:22.000 Why?

00:31:23.000 Because it's mortgaged to our vanity in the West.

00:31:27.000 Russia must be taught a lesson. 0.99

00:31:29.000 Russia must be destroyed. 1.00

00:31:31.000 Putin must be removed. 1.00

00:31:34.000 Really?

00:31:34.000 Why?

00:31:35.000 Well, because we've decided that we want to strip Russia of its resources. 0.93

00:31:40.000 So we turned Ukraine into a battering ram designed to stab Russia in the heart. 0.98

00:31:47.000 The Russians woke up, not completely, but at the last minute and decided, well, we probably should intervene here and stop what's happening and signal just how serious this is in our estimation.

00:32:00.000 So they did, and they found out it's much worse than we thought.

00:32:04.000 The force is much larger, much better trained.

00:32:07.000 It has much more equipment.

00:32:08.000 This is a far more serious problem.

00:32:11.000 And as a result, they had to step back, establish a defense, build up their forces, and now they're moving.

00:32:17.000 And they're going to finish the job.

00:32:18.000 Finish the job means everything from Odessa up to Kharkov is back in Russian hands. 0.99

00:32:24.000 And those areas are originally Russian anyway, as has been pointed out.

00:32:29.000 The question is, what happens to the rest of the country that is west of the Dnieper River, this rump Ukraine? 0.85

00:32:35.000 And I think it's going to become a giant demilitarized zone, a DMZ, similar to what we have between North and South Korea.

00:32:43.000 There will be nothing there.

00:32:44.000 There won't be any fighting forces of any kind.

00:32:47.000 And the Ukrainians can live there and they may have some form of administration, but they're not going to be permitted to ever again present a direct threat to Russia.

00:32:56.000 You pointed to the CIA stations and laboratories inside Ukraine.

00:33:02.000 The Russians have overrun those. 1.00

00:33:03.000 They know what's there.

00:33:04.000 They know what we've been trying to do.

00:33:06.000 They know that we've been experimenting biologically with various weapons that could be used against them.

00:33:12.000 This is insanity.

00:33:13.000 And it was never necessary.

00:33:16.000 No one in the United States supported that.

00:33:19.000 No one in the United States was consulted.

00:33:21.000 So what do they do?

00:33:22.000 They lie.

00:33:23.000 They create a narrative.

00:33:25.000 Russia is a rambunctious nation. 0.99

00:33:28.000 Russia is the Soviet Union reborn. 0.79

00:33:30.000 We must stop it and defend democracy. 1.00

00:33:33.000 That's all crap. 0.98

00:33:34.000 That's nothing to do with any of it. 0.99

00:33:36.000 And of course, Kiev is not a democratic state.

00:33:40.000 Zelensky is not a democratic leader.

00:33:42.000 He makes Stalin look good.

00:33:45.000 So he's going to go out of business.

00:33:46.000 He's going to vanish here over the next 30 to 60 days.

00:33:50.000 Whether he succumbs to whatever the Ukrainians decide to do with him on the ground, I don't know.

00:33:55.000 I'm sure that his foreign mercenaries that are surrounding him, special ops types from the United States and Britain and other countries, will do everything they can to keep him alive.

00:34:05.000 But at some point, even they may abandon him.

00:34:08.000 But the narrative persists because the media is an arm of the government.

00:34:12.000 This is very similar to what Noam Chomsky wrote about during Vietnam.

00:34:17.000 Manufactured consent creates the illusion that this is something we all want.

00:34:22.000 No, we didn't want it.

00:34:24.000 We didn't ask anybody to open the borders.

00:34:26.000 We did not ask for millions of people that we don't know and know nothing about to come into the United States.

00:34:32.000 And what do we do with millions of people who can't find work, especially if we go into the serious financial crisis that every sane person on the planet is predicting is coming?

00:34:44.000 What else can we say?

00:34:46.000 I wish I could paint a positive picture!

00:34:49.000 Amidst the many staggering horrors that you beautifully, if somewhat gothically, illumined for us there, Colonel, this one stands as the Everest, is that what you lucidly and eloquently and with experience and understanding describe aligns terrifyingly With my intuitive sense of what's been happening, that the United States has provoked Russia into this war, using as a playbook the understanding and now broken paradigm that had been deployed in the previous half century in proxy wars fought in 0.50

00:35:34.000 Southeast Asia or wherever but this time it's a lot closer to home and the injury is a lot more severe and the consequences could be catastrophic is not a word that does it justice perhaps only apocalyptic is.

00:35:53.000 Again I'm going to sort of heave in your general direction a battalion of potential inquiry if I may sir and uh among them uh Among them.

00:36:05.000 Do you see a sort of a correlative, as plainly you do, between the lax border controls and these foreign adventures?

00:36:14.000 And do you consider it to be a favourable advancement with the United States to alter their position thusly?

00:36:25.000 We are not only going to not be involved in interventionism, in conflicts in the South

00:36:32.000 China Seas or in Europe or the Middle East, and therefore we are not destabilising world

00:36:39.000 populations, and also we're not going to corporatise those spaces or allow organisations that are

00:36:45.000 tethered or anchored in the United States to disrupt the economies or exploit the resources

00:36:49.000 of nations included in these various regional disputes, but also down in Central and Latin

00:36:57.000 America which is obviously more closely connected to the border crisis.

00:37:01.000 And because America is going to become, well, let's just use a word that detractors might, more isolationist, more contained, the idea that America doesn't have to bear a burden of an influx of migration makes more sense.

00:37:18.000 That America will control their own borders and as part of that pact not disrupt Economies and populations elsewhere, because for a long time it seemed like the general consensus, and this may not have been the consensus, maybe media could be manipulated and managed differently, was that it was okay for America to get involved in Libya or Sudan or Iraq or Afghanistan, and then when it came to population explosion or migration or whatever, hey what are all these people doing here?

00:37:48.000 What's causing all this disruption and unrest?

00:37:51.000 is a like not acknowledging that these two things are intricately connected. I wonder

00:37:56.000 if you'd take that on for a moment. I just want to acknowledge that when you said at

00:38:00.000 the beginning of your last answer that the washing machine and Zelensky it just was so

00:38:08.000 vividly real. They kind of made me feel a bit sick. There's a lens. He is a sort of

00:38:12.000 a propped up contained figure that money's not getting to Ukraine. It just was just getting

00:38:19.000 cycled through Washington.

00:38:20.000 I thought, oh no, that's what I've always thought.

00:38:23.000 I can't back that up because I'm not part of any one of these institutions or machines or organisations.

00:38:28.000 Terrifying.

00:38:28.000 So what do you think about the relationship between border control and foreign, like you know, like IAEA, it could be a massive reimagining of what America's role in the world is and what, and yeah, you know what the questions are.

00:38:40.000 Well, we're in the grip of a suicidal ideology that we want to make America the first state without borders, without identity, without a discernible culture.

00:38:54.000 In other words, this is the Trotskyite dream of the radical Bolsheviks when they came to power in 1918.

00:39:03.000 They thought that they could change the world.

00:39:06.000 Reform this world into an amorphous mass of sedated consumers who would march merrily in whatever direction they wanted them to go.

00:39:14.000 That all fell apart, but that was the original idea that goes all the way back to the French Revolution.

00:39:19.000 They wanted to carry it across the world and do the same thing effectively.

00:39:24.000 Uh, it boils down to, I think, finance.

00:39:27.000 Why do I say that?

00:39:28.000 Oftentimes, uh, I would ask when, when I did teach at the military academy, I would ask people, when did the British leave India?

00:39:37.000 And everyone, uh, you know, I, it was a sort of thousand miles stare from the average cadet who had no idea what the hell I was talking about.

00:39:47.000 And I said, when the debt to GDP ratio reached 240%.

00:39:54.000 Churchill bankrupted the British Empire, bankrupted the country, and destroyed its national power.

00:40:00.000 So suddenly, after having theoretically fought tenaciously to defend the great empire, they abandoned it because they couldn't afford to stay.

00:40:10.000 They had to pay bills at home.

00:40:12.000 They had to restore some measure of stability and prosperity to Great Britain.

00:40:17.000 I think we're going to face something similar to that, and that will cause the public to make a radical reassessment of what's been happening.

00:40:26.000 And then I think you will see a public ready to embrace harsh measures.

00:40:30.000 In other words, to do whatever is required to, quote unquote, save the republic.

00:40:36.000 But when we go into this process of saving the republic, remember, Number one is the Bill of Rights.

00:40:41.000 That's what really separates us from everyone, and that's the best feature of the American political experiment, the Bill of Rights.

00:40:50.000 Secondly, the Constitution was designed in the 1780s for a very different country from the one that we have today.

00:40:59.000 We've got to change it.

00:41:01.000 We ignore the Constitution on a routine basis, and everyone is very upset about that, but the truth is, it doesn't fit our needs any longer.

00:41:09.000 How we govern ourselves is going to have to change.

00:41:14.000 You know, this little 50-state paradigm, where all these little 50 states make decisions.

00:41:20.000 These borders were made, you know, 100, 150 years ago, based on all sorts of considerations that have nothing to do with us today.

00:41:28.000 We've got to sit down and look at the country from the standpoint of regions.

00:41:32.000 You know, what makes sense economically in one region may not make sense in another.

00:41:37.000 In other words, we've got to re-examine what we're doing.

00:41:40.000 No one has wanted to do that for a very long time.

00:41:44.000 It's the financial crisis that will compel it.

00:41:47.000 And there was a man named John Kenneth Galbraith who wrote a great book on financial crises.

00:41:54.000 And he made the point over and over and over again that you go for decades in a bank and nothing happens.

00:42:00.000 And then suddenly you discover the bank isn't solvent.

00:42:04.000 Somebody's been cooking the books.

00:42:06.000 The whole thing is an empty facade.

00:42:09.000 You go in, you clean out everyone who is there, you put in someone who's capable.

00:42:14.000 Well, that goes well for a while, but eventually the capable people are replaced by do-nothings.

00:42:21.000 Because do-nothings are usually preferable on most occasions to people who want to do something.

00:42:28.000 Someone who wants to take action is never popular until it's an emergency.

00:42:33.000 That's our problem right now.

00:42:35.000 So we're on a Cromwellian path in my judgment.

00:42:39.000 I just don't know when the Cromwellian revolution will come to fruition, but I think we're on that path. 0.97

00:42:45.000 There's no question about it.

00:42:49.000 And that's a lot better, by the way, than the French revolutionary path, believe me.

00:42:54.000 Tell you what, I wish we could do a conversation where we talk about military strategy, the nature of revolutions, the inevitable problems of revolution, how by your analysis you conflated Trotskyism with consumerism, when on the surface of it that would seem entirely antithetical to that model, even though I acknowledge that Marxism Even in its proposed, egalitarianism places economics at the heart of all projects, rather than some ethos, some divinity, something sacred, something that people can organize around.

00:43:26.000 Contrast that with something like National Socialism, for all its evils, of course, place folk and the land at the core.

00:43:33.000 Very mobilizing, were it not for the horrific genocides and bellicose nature of many of Hitler's, you know, I don't think we need to get into defending Hitler, but my point is... Now then, let's revisit. 0.86

00:43:44.000 But I also wanted to say, on the point of India there, that when Nehru gave the declaration of Indian independence, it was given in English.

00:43:57.000 And to me, the implication was that somehow, and this is a bit sort of maybe project paperclip, that somehow the necessary and relevant institutions are able to withstand the superficial narratives of victory and loss.

00:44:20.000 If you're going to discuss that, then you're going to have to be prepared to deal with the Indian view, which is obviously different.

00:44:27.000 It's almost the same as talking about the blessings of British influence and occupation in Ireland.

00:44:33.000 That never gets a positive reception either.

00:44:37.000 No, no.

00:44:39.000 No.

00:44:41.000 By your reckoning then, a sort of a Cromwellian event, which is a sort of a, well, it's a military revolution where the oligarchs or monarchy are overthrown by a, you know, a sort of a soldier risen to the rank of general becoming Lord Protector.

00:44:57.000 It's difficult to look beyond Donald Trump for a candidate for that role.

00:45:01.000 Donald Trump is not the man.

00:45:04.000 And there are a lot of people who are going to figure that out.

00:45:06.000 I mean, the fact that he endorsed and supported this last bill is enough to drive away substantial numbers of his base.

00:45:15.000 And remember this stalwart paragon of manhood, Senator Lindsey Graham, publicly thanked Donald Trump for his support because without Donald Trump, this bill would never have passed.

00:45:29.000 Well, that's frightening because it's antithetical to everything that the people that support Donald Trump believe in.

00:45:36.000 So the suspicion now is that he too has captured By the donors. 0.60

00:45:41.000 You know, sometimes we call it the swamp, then you have the deep state.

00:45:45.000 Just view it all as essentially one amorphous mass of trouble.

00:45:49.000 And he seems to have been infected by it too.

00:45:51.000 I hope not, but it looks that way to me.

00:45:53.000 So it's not going to be him.

00:45:55.000 And remember that Cromwell was originally not a soldier.

00:45:58.000 He was a civilian, very much so.

00:46:02.000 He did something that most generals never do.

00:46:04.000 He sat down and read all the books on military affairs, and so he was self-taught.

00:46:10.000 But he was self-taught because he had to be.

00:46:11.000 And remember, he created an army of supporters, Puritans from scratch. 0.99

00:46:17.000 And of course, you know, his event provoked a lot of people.

00:46:21.000 And in fact, my ancestors that came to the United States in 1681 were former Puritans who were appalled at the excesses of the Cromwellian forces in this revolution, and so they became Quakers, which is how I ended up here.

00:46:40.000 So, all these things are kind of interesting.

00:46:43.000 I'm very much an American and I'm familiar with all the various streams of consciousness and thunderstorms and difficulties that have afflicted us over the years.

00:46:53.000 I think we'll come through all of this.

00:46:55.000 Because at the heart of the country is a recognition that we really are not interested in meddling in other people's affairs.

00:47:04.000 And we really want a government that's going to tend to our needs here at home, not to become a substitute for ourselves.

00:47:11.000 In other words, not to become the ultimate nanny state.

00:47:15.000 But to enforce the law, to create order, stability, and an economy that is conducive to prosperity.

00:47:22.000 I think that's what Americans want.

00:47:24.000 I think they'll get it.

00:47:25.000 But we're a long way from that right now.

00:47:28.000 Yeah, you talked about the potential regionalisation.

00:47:32.000 Do you mean a different take on federalisation?

00:47:36.000 Because when you talk about law and order, and you did sort of fleetingly mention that executing drug dealers were like, bloody hell, we're going steady on, Colonel, I made some mistakes as a younger man myself.

00:47:49.000 Hopefully you were not a salesman for the product.

00:47:53.000 I may have on occasion in order to meet debt made some choices that put me in a position of disfavor.

00:48:01.000 I'm in recovery 21 years now.

00:48:03.000 But what I wanted to ask you is do you believe that in order for law and order to be observed and enforced they have to be Consensual and the will of the people rather than what we're experiencing now is authoritarianism increasingly being centralized in a sort of Huxley-esque nightmare where we're told for convenience and safety we have to become compliant, that God is not real, that nature is not real, and that the only things are real are these sort of ever-shifting sets of values often oriented around the protection of the vulnerable when I sense that that is not the true motive.

00:48:42.000 So do you believe that in order to diffuse certain aspects of what is widely referred to as the culture war, that some form of decentralization of power and representative democracy, being precisely that, representative of the people rather than of a donor class, has to be part of this revolution that it appears you're advocating for?

00:49:04.000 No.

00:49:05.000 Let me explain why.

00:49:08.000 There is a growing consensus that opposes the things that you enumerated so well.

00:49:14.000 In other words, there are more and more people that are coming to the conclusion that the state is sponsoring suicide for all of us.

00:49:24.000 That's becoming clearer in more American minds than ever before.

00:49:29.000 But they are not going to argue initially for no power at the national level.

00:49:34.000 They're going to argue for power at the national level to right the ship. 0.95

00:49:38.000 In other words, you've got to save the ship.

00:49:40.000 The ship is sinking.

00:49:43.000 And that's the way people look at the United States right now.

00:49:45.000 They see a sinking ship.

00:49:47.000 They want to right the ship.

00:49:49.000 They want to plug the holes, pump out the water, and if at all possible, change the ship, modernize it, make it better and more effective.

00:49:58.000 You can't do that if you're trying to decentralize everything.

00:50:03.000 In other words, the pendulum has swung in one direction so far that to bring the pendulum back to the center, it's going to have to be shoved harder to the right.

00:50:15.000 Then it will eventually end up where you are.

00:50:17.000 There's a great book that explains this very well.

00:50:19.000 It's called Anatomy of Revolution.

00:50:23.000 It was written just before, I think, the Second World War.

00:50:28.000 It doesn't get everything right.

00:50:29.000 It gets some things wrong.

00:50:30.000 Anatomy of Revolution.

00:50:32.000 But it makes the point that what revolutions do is that they radicalize and push in one direction so far That there is a reaction to it and the reaction pushes it back in the other direction until finally the pendulum again goes back to where it was to begin with.

00:50:50.000 In other words, you get the status quo that you destroyed, albeit somewhat better and somewhat different.

00:50:57.000 And I think this is the process that we're now part of.

00:51:00.000 This is going to take time.

00:51:01.000 It's going to take a decade.

00:51:02.000 Sir, but this pendular motion that you describe is no doubt as a result of polarity.

00:51:07.000 Indeed, you cannot, even at the most basic rudimentary electromagnetic level, create energy without polarity.

00:51:13.000 Ha ha ha ha!

00:51:15.000 Enjoyed that, did you?

00:51:16.000 Well, my point being this.

00:51:18.000 The reason that the transitions are so radical is precisely because of centralization.

00:51:23.000 If you didn't have such a strong centrifugal force, the subsequent polarities would not be so radical.

00:51:29.000 Ergo, what I'm proposing Is, other than in certain municipal projects where centralisation would be to a degree necessary, I suppose, border control, a transitionary preservation of law and order, decentralisation is precisely what's required.

00:51:45.000 In fact, that pendulum motion, I know eventually a pendulum slows down, but that presupposes that there will be no external events that solicit further momentum.

00:51:57.000 Well, that's right.

00:51:58.000 And we don't know what kinds of external events may occur between now and the restoration of what I would call a more moderate status quo.

00:52:08.000 We may end up seeing more events that cause us to move in different directions.

00:52:13.000 None of us can predict the future, and I'm certainly not a prophet, but what I'm trying to say is if you look at that book, Anatomy of Revolution, eventually you come through this process and you end up at the other side, much as Great Britain did. 0.54

00:52:29.000 You have to look at what happened before, during, and after Cromwell.

00:52:33.000 You had a restoration, but the restoration was different.

00:52:37.000 And ultimately what a lot of people don't understand is that Cromwell, whatever his faults, was the foundation for the United States of America.

00:52:45.000 That's cool.

00:52:45.000 Whoa!

00:52:46.000 I mean, yeah, when you say his faults, I know that some of our Irish brothers and sisters who have been given a nudge already might not welcome this deification or at least attributing of the Great American Project to Cromwell along with Paine and the likes.

00:53:04.000 I mean, that's That's pretty exciting and pretty interesting.

00:53:07.000 Colonel, may I pass on one or two questions from our community?

00:53:11.000 Sure.

00:53:14.000 You're pretty funny.

00:53:15.000 This one's coming from someone calling themselves Hayat Taya.

00:53:18.000 Seymour Hersh said he was told the Pentagon is acting on its own without consulting the executive branch.

00:53:24.000 Do you believe that to be true?

00:53:28.000 I think there's some evidence for that because Biden is judged to be infirm.

00:53:33.000 And I think people in the Pentagon recognize that he is infirm.

00:53:36.000 However, it would be a stretch to suggest that whatever happens in the Pentagon is not known to others in the White House.

00:53:44.000 We don't know who's really in control in the White House.

00:53:48.000 Let's be frank, because certainly President Biden is not.

00:53:53.000 President Biden is told what to sign.

00:53:56.000 He's handed speeches and told what to say.

00:53:59.000 And when he's allowed to speak on his own, he talks about his uncle's brains having been eaten by cannibals in New Guinea during World War II.

00:54:09.000 So whenever he's off script, he makes remarkable statements that suggest that he is less than competent.

00:54:17.000 It seems to me you are not paying proper attention to many of his visits to ice cream parlours, where he is able to wear sunglasses with little to no external support.

00:54:30.000 I wonder then if you will answer this.

00:54:33.000 This is from Earthling417.

00:54:35.000 What recourse do, inverted commas and capitalised, we the people possess?

00:54:40.000 Can we overthrow?

00:54:41.000 January 6th has us all afraid to fight back.

00:54:46.000 Who has everyone afraid?

00:54:47.000 No, I think that's true.

00:54:51.000 No, I think that's true. We have people sitting in jail for alleged crimes that I think serving

00:55:01.000 sentences of many years that make no sense at all.

00:55:05.000 We have, on the other hand, people that committed terrible crimes during 2020 in the name of Antifa and BLM and other things, causing billions of dollars worth of damage, and they were all let off scot-free.

00:55:18.000 So the man makes a point.

00:55:20.000 Our justice system is weaponized against us.

00:55:23.000 There's no question about it.

00:55:24.000 Having said all of that, I think as we approach this election and it becomes increasingly clear that our hopes for this election will not be fulfilled, we're going to see cracks in this edifice.

00:55:37.000 In other words, people on the inside of this structure are going to come forward and say, we can't do this anymore.

00:55:44.000 I've already seen evidence for that, and that's the first thing that happens in any revolutionary setting.

00:55:50.000 People on the inside say, thank you, can't do this anymore, and walk away.

00:55:55.000 We're not there yet, but we're getting there.

00:55:58.000 So I would tell the individual that raised that question, I don't disagree with him, and I understand the concern, but I would say keep your powder dry, and keep your hopes up, because I think things are beginning to move in new directions.

00:56:12.000 Over the course of this conversation we've addressed the fissures that are emerging and the disparity between the governed and the governing.

00:56:19.000 You've mentioned the necessity for amendments or transformation or changes to the constitution.

00:56:25.000 I've been thinking throughout this that one of the things we have to consider is the end of the formerly accepted taxonomies, i.e.

00:56:31.000 left and right, to look at how peripheral ideologies might unite against this corrupted centre with a degree of urgency that comes neatly to the

00:56:41.000 forefront with Drew Parloop's question. Can you ask Colonel McGregor if the US will plan

00:56:49.000 a real or fake nuclear attack?

00:56:51.000 And I'd like to add to that, if the leadership of a nation are disparate and separate from

00:56:56.000 the population, is it possible that nuclear war is a consideration?

00:57:03.000 Given the ongoing escalation, in particular between hostilities in the proxy war between

00:57:09.000 the United States and Russia, do you think there's a contingency for a nuclear war?

00:57:16.000 No.

00:57:17.000 The one thing I would say about the people that are in the White House is that those

00:57:23.000 with their fingers on the button, so to say, are sober-minded.

00:57:28.000 They understand that it means Armageddon and total annihilation.

00:57:35.000 That's the best that I can say.

00:57:37.000 Now, I'm not saying that no one has considered anything or there aren't any discussions about it, but I think the majority of the people that I'm familiar with, that I've had some exposure to over the years, it is too terrible to contemplate.

00:57:53.000 Julian Assange, still in Belmarsh without trial, awaiting potential extradition, is wanted under the Espionage Act explicitly, according to the Biden administration, but also Trump and also Obama, because of the revelation of documents that could have put American personnel at risk, although no one has ever been able to prove that American personnel were put at risk by any of those revelations.

00:58:19.000 What is your view I thought when Donald Trump left office that he would pardon Assange and end this travesty of justice.

00:58:23.000 think his actions were that of a journalist? And if Assange is

00:58:26.000 guilty of espionage, then the New York Times, The Guardian, The Spiegel, and a whole host of other media organizations

00:58:32.000 ought be in the dock with him.

00:58:34.000 I thought when Donald Trump left office that he would pardon

00:58:40.000 Assange and end this travesty of justice. This man is not some

00:58:46.000 foreign agent seeking the destruction of the United States anywhere else. He received the information from others.

00:58:53.000 This is not something he dug out personally in most cases.

00:58:57.000 People provided things to him.

00:58:59.000 We went through this with Daniel Ellsberg.

00:59:03.000 Ellsberg was provided with the information, he released it.

00:59:06.000 And people were offended at the time more than anything else, and I think that's what's happened to Assange.

00:59:11.000 If you offend people in power and they wield authority, they'll try to use it against you.

00:59:17.000 And that's what's happened with Assange.

00:59:19.000 So he should be released, in any case.

00:59:22.000 Do you hold a similar view when it comes to the matter of Edward Snowden, whose revelations, in a sense, are somewhat heroic, that revealed the degree of corruption and illegal surveillance of the American people, which is, of course, only being exacerbated, as we've touched upon, with the updated version of C702?

00:59:22.000 Thank you.

00:59:39.000 Do you think that he shouldn't be in exile in Russia?

00:59:44.000 Yes, I think that's another individual that has been treated badly and unfairly and should have been given a hearing.

00:59:50.000 I would end that isolation of Snowden immediately.

00:59:56.000 Keep in mind that you're now touching on two areas beyond the scope of our discussion.

01:00:01.000 One of those is the Central Intelligence Agency and the intelligence agencies in general.

01:00:09.000 It's been effectively a rogue organization for a very long time.

01:00:13.000 And there are others who know a great deal more about it than I do.

01:00:16.000 My focus for most of my life has been on the military and foreign policy, but not on the intelligence agencies.

01:00:22.000 But there are others that you should consider bringing on, people like Ray McGovern, Larry Johnson, who are both longtime intelligence officers, worked with and inside the CIA, and they can talk about these things, and I think your audience would enjoy listening to them.

01:00:38.000 They can also talk about MI6.

01:00:41.000 And its role in a lot of these things.

01:00:43.000 I mean, these two agencies have played a very important role in Ukraine.

01:00:47.000 Frankly, a very destructive one that has resulted in the annihilation of the Ukrainian state, in my judgment.

01:00:55.000 But I don't know enough about it to really talk categorically, but I do feel that both Snowden and Assange should be released.

01:01:03.000 And I argued for their pardons.

01:01:06.000 Thank you so much, Colonel.

01:01:08.000 It's been such a privilege to have your company and expertise today.

01:01:12.000 I would love the opportunity to speak with you again and focus more on military strategy, revolution, and the potential of those old ideas being resurrected and deployed as part of the necessary transformation that we've been skirting around for much of this month.

01:01:31.000 I think we made a pact where I would be able to interview you in the future.

01:01:36.000 You have a lot of fans in our country, Our Choice.

01:01:39.000 We're up to 370,000 members.

01:01:42.000 So you have quite a fan base.

01:01:44.000 They're very pleased with what you've done with this program, Stay Free.

01:01:49.000 So we would like to interview you in the future.

01:01:53.000 And then you'll have an opportunity to talk about what's really important to you in the context of Stay Free.

01:01:58.000 Well, that'll be fantastic when I'm a guest on your show, and you certainly won't be getting any announcements with the concomitant humility of, oh well, there's a better expert you should ask about that.

01:02:08.000 That's not my field of expertise.

01:02:10.000 If you ask it, I'll answer it, and I won't let a silly thing like ignorance stand in my way.

01:02:17.000 All right, sounds good.

01:02:18.000 Well, you know what Lincoln said in Washington? 1.00

01:02:21.000 Ignorance and stupidity are no bar to advancement in politics. 1.00

01:02:27.000 Then surely this revolution is a sure win for all of us? 0.99

01:02:32.000 Well, we don't know, but I think, you know, there are different kinds of revolutions.

01:02:36.000 They're not always bloody.

01:02:38.000 Some are bloodless, as you know, from 1688.

01:02:41.000 So hopefully, you know, we can get through this, but I think we need some kind of convulsive event to right the ship, if you will, because the ship is listing badly.

01:02:53.000 Your naval friends in the audience will love that.

01:02:55.000 Yes, they will.

01:02:56.000 This is, after all, Great Britain, Royal Britannia and all that.

01:03:00.000 Thank you.

01:03:01.000 Thanks, Colonel.

01:03:01.000 Thanks for your time.

01:03:04.000 I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Colonel Douglas MacGregor.

01:03:07.000 I found it illuminating and exciting and I'm really looking forward to going on his show, Our Country, Our Choice, which is the movement he's the CEO of.

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01:03:19.000 That's what Colonel Douglas MacGregor would like That you do.

01:03:22.000 I'm pretty excited to go on that show where I will toast sweet freedom in one of these glorious farting crow mugs.

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“There’s NOTHING Left!” 600,000 Ukrainians DEAD! | Colonel Douglas Macgregor On The Ukraine War

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