We ve been told that meat is bad for us, but when you look at the science, I think meat is good for humans nutritionally. In this episode, Dr. Paul Saladino, our first doctor, talks about the rising trend of the Carnivore Diet and its efficacy, and the ethics behind it. We also hear from Dr. Peter Attia and Dr. Rhonda Patrick about the benefits of a carnivore diet, and why you should include more meat in your diet. This episode is brought to you by Pfizer. To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/OurLongevity and use the promo code RUMBLE at checkout to receive $5 off your first pack! We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for our next episode on the National Park Service! Subscribe to our new podcast, "RUMBLE: Live Longer", wherever you get your stuff, on Nov. 22nd, 2019. Thanks to our sponsor, Pfizer, for making great tasting, nutritious food that tastes good and tastes good. We aim to keep you alive longer! We love you, we care about you, and we're here to help you live longer. Thank you for being kind, we appreciate you, thank you, stay safe, and stay strong! Rambling, Rambling! - Rambling on! Rambling On. - Cheers, Caitlyn and Rambling Back! Caitlyn - Caitlyn, Rachael, Sarah, Sarah and Sarah, Sarah Sarah, Rocha, . Sarah and Rachie, Rachel Rachel, Sarah , Rachit, Jonatha, , Dr. , Dr. Susan , and Rachel . . . Caitie, Racheal and Jonatha Jon & Rachel , Rachel, . , Rachelle, Rhonda , & Rachelle Paul ... and Rachelle . , etc., And so much more! ... we hope you like this episode. And if you like it, please leave us a review of this episode so we can keep us up to date with your thoughts, comments, reviews, and comments, recommendations, and reviews, comments and thoughts, etc., etc., and let us know what you think of it?
00:01:23.000We're also going to talk to Dr. Rhonda Patrick.
00:01:26.000And so I started looking into this research, and like, there's something going on in the brain.
00:01:31.000Dr. Mark Hyman, who looks like Jon Stewart, but talks like a medical expert.
00:01:36.000We're in the middle of a crisis, and unless we revolutionize the way we grow food, the food we produce, the food we market, the food we eat, we're in trouble.
00:01:46.000And if you're joining us on Rumble, you will see Dr. Peter Attia.
00:01:50.000What is it about our finitude that obsesses us?
00:02:19.000I think that anyone who makes an intentional choice with regard to their diet, anyone who's not just walking as a zombie and eating whatever foods fall in front of them or they can pick up in an airport or at a fast food joint, deserves to be appreciated.
00:02:34.000And though you and I make different intentional decisions with regard to our diets, the first step for people finding health, and I think Being good citizens in the community of the earth is making intentional choices and understanding how we're choosing to eat.
00:02:49.000With regard to meat versus plants, I have found and I have concerns that when humans don't eat meat and organs, so we're talking about like muscle meat, steaks, hamburgers, or organs like heart and liver, which come with the whole package of the animal, There are a lot of nutrient deficiencies that can develop unless we're very, very intentional about supplementation.
00:03:08.000And this is where things get really interesting and you go really far down the rabbit hole.
00:03:12.000But I've just seen so many people improve their health when they include more meat in their diet and organs especially, like liver.
00:03:21.000And I think that for the last Decades.
00:03:24.000Last two to three, maybe five decades, we've been told that meat is bad for us.
00:03:27.000But when I look at the science, I think meat is good for humans nutritionally.
00:03:31.000You and I can talk about the ethics and how we navigate that in the world if you want.
00:03:36.000But I think nutritionally, meat is so valuable for kids, for adults, for elderly.
00:03:41.000There's so many things to argue for including these animal foods in our diet from a nutritional standpoint.
00:04:01.000I'm willing to ingest almost anything.
00:04:03.000Are you saying it's impossible to get strong enough to win a pull-up competition without a little bit of meat in your diet and what is it in particular that, where
00:04:16.000There's, the protein in animal foods is more bioavailable than the protein in plant foods.
00:04:22.000But there are examples of people who eat a vegan diet who have lots of muscles.
00:04:26.000And some of those people are probably supplementing with some steroids or some
00:04:29.000exogenous hormones. But I know people in the vegan community that I've had
00:04:32.000respectful conversations with who are probably just taking a lot of protein powder.
00:04:37.000But if you just want to eat foods that you could get from the earth, that you could hunt and gather, and not a synthetic hemp protein or a synthetic pea protein made in the lab, you're going to be able to gain muscle and all of the other benefits that come with the meat.
00:04:49.000We can talk about the other nutrients much more easily by including animal foods in your diet than you would by eating things like peas and lentils and things like this.
00:04:57.000So if you think about this, This gets a little technical, but there's this one amino acid, leucine, in meat that's associated with muscle growth.
00:05:04.000And you can get enough leucine to trigger optimal muscle growth in eight ounces of meat, like a burger patty, maybe even six ounces of meat.
00:05:12.000But to get that amount of leucine, to get Russell Brand jacked, to beat RFK in this pull-up contest, you're going to have to eat pounds of rice and lentils.
00:05:22.000That's going to cause problems for your septic system in your house, and maybe nobody will want to be around you because of the flatulence.
00:05:27.000So I'm telling you, Like it's a better and then we can talk about the other things too.
00:05:31.000That's just the protein, but there are many other nutrients that are valuable in animal foods and meat that you can't get in plant foods at all.
00:05:37.000True nature's child says I've got no gallbladder so I have to watch the fat or it gets runny.
00:05:44.000And I like I feel like you know like I do take a lot of protein powders.
00:05:48.000I'm like I drink a nice protein shake.
00:05:50.000It's delicious most days, but you're saying that it not.
00:05:55.000It's not just protein we need to like.
00:05:57.000In your ideal world, Dr. Paul Saladino, you've got salad in your name, but not in your game.
00:06:03.000The ball bag is out the window, baking in the sun.
00:06:12.000Tell us a little bit about your diet, oh wise and handsome man.
00:06:16.000Yeah, elk meat and elk liver and grass-fed cattle.
00:06:19.000We can talk about regenerative agriculture, but beyond the protein, when people think about meat and steaks, they just think about protein.
00:06:27.000But Russell, it's so interesting when you go down the rabbit hole and you think about the other nutrients that are in meat that are difficult to find in plant foods or impossible to find in plant foods.
00:06:35.000There's been a lot of research recently about this.
00:06:37.000This compound called taurine, and of course the name is there, it's bull.
00:06:41.000And taurine has been found in worm models, in mice models, and in primate models to extend longevity in those models.
00:06:48.000So we haven't done controlled experiments in humans, but taurine looks to be beneficial for humans in other sorts of experiments in terms of cognitive benefits and as an antioxidant.
00:06:57.000And the only place you get taurine, so clearly shows benefit across multiple species in longevity, And overall quality of life.
00:07:05.000The only place you get this is animal meat.
00:07:07.000And I don't know many vegans that are supplementing with taurine, and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
00:09:11.000It's healthier to include meat in your diet, especially for children, but even for adults, and then for elderly who become frail, who need the muscle mass to avoid sarcopenia, which is when we get kind of skinny fat, lose our peripheral muscle mass, and get kind of like fat on the inside.
00:09:26.000So we know that what Kills elderly people.
00:09:32.000And the way that you avoid frailty is by having enough quality food in your diet, especially micronutrient-rich meat and organs.
00:09:39.000And then for children's development, for proper development of the brain and all of the organs and all of these tendons and muscles as kids are developing and growing so they're strong and resilient, the animal foods provide so many unique nutrients that are so hard to get elsewhere.
00:09:51.000You asked about the anthropology, and I think this is an incredibly important point.
00:09:55.000So I went to Tanzania last year and got to hang out with this tribe of hunter-gatherers called the Hadza.
00:09:59.000They're some of the last hunter-gatherers left on the planet.
00:10:01.000There's only a few thousand true hunter-gatherers left on the planet.
00:10:05.000And I'll tell you what, we hunted and then we ate the animal.
00:10:32.000And they want to eat this baobab fruit.
00:10:34.000And occasionally, they'll eat a tuber, but that's the last thing they care about.
00:10:37.000If you look at hunter-gatherers, I think that, from what we can tell with our ethnographic and anthropologic time machines, humans, we don't give a shit about vegetables if we can get other stuff that tastes better.
00:11:06.000Also, like, was there a good ceremonial atmosphere?
00:11:09.000People living a lifestyle where they were connected to meaning and purpose because survival acquired a kind of mythic quality because it took so much endeavour and focus after a day's hunting.
00:11:19.000Did it feel beautiful to sit around a campfire?
00:11:21.000Was there a sense of community, connection?
00:11:23.000Were there other aspects beyond diet, you diet-obsessed lunatic, that were inspiring?
00:11:30.000Yeah, it was really cool to be with them.
00:11:32.000I mean, I think of them as like the best time machine we've got.
00:11:35.000It's not a perfect DeLorean, this isn't perfectly Back to the Future, but it's about 50,000 years ago, I imagine, that you go back in time when you see these people now.
00:11:42.000They're influenced by the Western world, for sure, but it was It was really moving to sit around the fire with them.
00:12:20.000They were just happy having what they had.
00:12:22.000They had community, and they celebrated the food when they could get it, and they shared it.
00:12:28.000And especially when we had very successful hunts, there was music and dancing, and they were happy to share that with us.
00:12:33.000So not a perfect time machine, but it was pretty idyllic.
00:12:37.000It was really pretty remarkable, the experience with them.
00:12:39.000Also, the DeLorean was not a very good time machine.
00:12:43.000As I recall, there were problems with the flux capacitor, and it broke down in that barn, and Marty McFly had to stay there.
00:12:49.000And we all know what he did when he met his mum, Paul.
00:12:51.000And I'm sure you're not endorsing that, Paul, because that's called incest.
00:12:57.000And that, no, it don't matter how much elk meat you consume, if you're eating it from your mother's lap, that is a problem in the sweet name of Jesus!
00:13:10.000Mae, what do they hunt, and what do they hunt with?
00:13:14.000They make all of their own hunting implements.
00:13:16.000So they have bows and arrows they make from wood.
00:14:35.000But normally, monkeys are our friends.
00:14:38.000Didn't you feel a bit bad about it, and did you have a go?
00:14:41.000It's so when we were actually at the key part of the hunt for the baboons this tribe of Hadza this maybe eight or nine Hadza males hunters they just scattered everywhere they were running and I was just sort of watching and like trying not to get in their way but they were hurting the monkeys in certain ways they had dogs and so they were the ones that were actually trying to get the monkeys out of the tree or the baboons excuse me so I wasn't directly involved in the baboon hunt I was like right there with them but it was so frenetic and I I'm You know, I'm a Westerner, right?
00:15:10.000I've never hunted a baboon in my life.
00:15:12.000I have no business doing this with them.
00:15:15.000The fact that it's like a human and has a thumb and opposable fingers, it is kind of stirring and disturbing, but you also realize that this is life for them.
00:15:26.000And this kind of goes back to your point earlier, and I'll just add this as humbly and as respectfully as possible.
00:15:33.000When I think about food choices that we make as humans, I'm reminded of a book that I read when I was younger.
00:16:17.000And the goal is to be respectful of the things that you're using to fuel your life.
00:16:21.000So even when people want to eat plants and they believe that the plants are resulting in less death, I think that it's interesting and important to really look into that and understand all of the ecosystems that are disrupted by the plants that we eat, all of the by-kills, all the moles, the voles, the beavers, the snakes, the rabbits.
00:16:41.000There are literally tens of thousands of lives that are disrupted, that are displaced, that are killed when we're Plowing a field to grow plants.
00:16:50.000And so I think that if we want to live on this earth as humans, and I feel like you especially illustrate this, we have the ability to do a lot of good in the world as humans.
00:17:00.000We have to accept that in order for something to live, something else must die.
00:17:04.000And when I think about the choices we make, In terms of food quality, I believe, and this is just my belief, that by eating meat and organs, we're giving our bodies such unique nutrients that allows us to do the best work in the world, allows us our brains to function well, allows us to be strong and protect our families.
00:17:20.000And so I believe that we have this purpose on Earth to do good in the world, and that none of us should be, I think, ignorant to the way that we affect the world.
00:17:29.000We're all responsible for ending life.
00:17:31.000And it's just how we choose to use that gift that we're given as we get the chance to live and do things in the world.
00:17:39.000Why is there an assumption that we should want to live, you know, forever, endlessly?
00:17:45.000And what does it tell us sometimes about what does it indicate around our fears around death, Peter?
00:17:51.000So I think, Russell, you've hit on two very interesting points.
00:17:54.000And given that we could literally spend an hour just talking about these two things, because on the one hand, you're asking the question, what is it about our finitude that obsesses us?
00:18:07.000And in the other part of your question, you're basically asking, at least the way I would hear it, why the hell would you want to live longer if the quality of your life, and you're referring, I think, to perhaps the most important aspect of that, which is emotional health, is unwell?
00:18:22.000So we could talk about both of those, and I'll just briefly offer my take.
00:18:27.000So first, this is a book that took me seven years to write and three versions.
00:18:32.000So The first version of that book had no emphasis whatsoever on your first question, right?
00:18:37.000It was really a Silicon Valley-esque, you know, how to hack your way into a longer life, inch by inch, but with no attention paid to the quality of that life.
00:18:49.000And I think through my own sort of struggles, the final version of this book came to reflect a very different viewpoint, which is if your relationships to other people, to yourself, are suboptimal.
00:19:01.000If you're living in pain, you know, living longer would actually be the greatest form of torture.
00:19:07.000I think to your second question, why are we obsessed with it?
00:19:10.000I think truthfully, I think mortality is a very difficult concept for us to accept.
00:19:16.000So we can intellectually sort of say, well, you know, none of us actually matter that much.
00:19:21.000Our time on this earth is incredibly small.
00:19:24.000It's a sliver of a sliver of a sliver, a degree of time relative to even just Homo sapiens, let alone life on this planet.
00:19:32.000But yet emotionally, that fact is so difficult that you and I won't be here in 50 years.
00:19:38.000I mean, we're simply not going to exist anymore.
00:19:41.000And I think we tend to want to claw at that as well.
00:19:45.000I guess those would be my high-level inputs on those two important questions.
00:19:51.000What I feel sometimes, Peter, is that it's a war to remain healthy in a society that requires you to be sick.
00:19:57.000I feel sometimes from some of the great guests we spoke to on our show that we're kind of, systemically at least, regarded as blobs.
00:20:06.000Blobs to pump bad food into and sometimes questionable pharmacological remedies into.
00:20:13.000And so sometimes to remain healthy can be a campaign that has to be almost militaristic.
00:20:23.000How did we arrive at the point where wanting to be fit and healthy was regarded as a, well, most recently it's been called a right-wing issue?
00:20:30.000How has health become regarded in this way and how is it that our life has become a kind of commodity in itself where we're latched onto vampirically by parasitical big food and big farmer interests?
00:20:45.000So again, I think you ask these interesting questions, Russell, and there are several layers to it.
00:20:49.000So in the order, I think, that you're asking it, I think there's a very important transition that has occurred in our species.
00:20:56.000And even though our entire lives, meaning those of us that are talking here now and listening, all took place in one era, in the arc of humanity, most of the time we died very fast deaths.
00:21:10.000So if you think about our ancestors, they died from infections and they died from traumatic injuries, and that was it.
00:21:17.000And, you know, obviously, infant mortality was enormous.
00:21:21.000So mothers were dying all the time, giving birth to kids, many of whom would just die right away.
00:21:25.000And if you somehow managed to survive childbirth and childhood, you were gonna be, you know, mauled by an animal or die of an infection.
00:21:32.000And that was the way it was for 99.9% of our existence as a species.
00:21:39.000We, as a species, had this enormous victory in the late 19th and early 20th century, which was we basically figured out the remedy for how to stop fast death.
00:21:50.000And that basically became sanitation, antibiotics, and all of the things that came with germ theory and around that.
00:22:00.000Also, you developed things in medicine around critical care, trauma, acute care, things like that.
00:22:07.000The good side of that was we stopped dying from those conditions.
00:22:10.000The bad news was that toolkit for how to prevent people from dying quickly really had no efficacy against preventing people from dying slowly, which is how we all die today.
00:22:23.000So most people today are going to die from cardiovascular disease, cancer, dementia, diabetes, things of that nature.
00:22:30.000And the approach of wait till you're sick to treat those things doesn't work very well.
00:22:36.000So that's why we have become these entities that, you know, we're kind of using the wrong playbook.
00:22:43.000And you've alluded to a number of other things as well, right?
00:22:52.000I mean, all of these things are kind of working against us.
00:22:55.000But I think of those is basically the flip side of a technology that also gave us a great advantage.
00:23:01.000And we just we're just kind of out of balance with it.
00:23:02.000I think would be the simplest way to describe that.
00:23:05.000Do you have anything to say on the politicization of health and wellness?
00:23:10.000It seems that during the pandemic era, get outside, get some vitamin D, natural immunity, all became sort of contested ideas.
00:23:18.000And there's no doubt that there can be a machismo attached to staying fit and healthy, participating in martial arts and indeed pull up challenges against RFK, which I'm personally I'm engaged in right now.
00:23:29.000I'm having a competition with Robert F. Kennedy to see who can do the most pull-ups.
00:24:09.000Now, I'm somewhat surprised by the phenomenon you've described.
00:24:16.000I saw an article yesterday, not yesterday, maybe last week, that said something to the effect of, and this was a serious article, like it was in Time magazine or something.
00:24:24.000And it talked about how the origins of fitness are racist.
00:24:29.000And it went on this long rant about how it's really because of the KKK that we have the fitness industry or something like that.
00:24:36.000And I don't know, truthfully, I'm just I'm kind of apoplectic when I see stuff like that.
00:24:44.000I think that during COVID, somehow that became the entire entity of COVID became political and the people who said, you know, I would probably rather have My own immune system bolstered by being outdoors, exercising, being in the sauna, being fit, eating well.
00:25:05.000That became a right-wing view, which it shouldn't be.
00:25:09.000That should be, I think, the view of everybody.
00:25:12.000And I think what we're seeing now is simply the snowballing extension of that.
00:25:17.000Yet, Peter, life expectancy in the United States is the shortest it's been for a couple of decades.
00:25:24.000Is that because our modern diet is killing us?
00:25:29.000What is it that is decreasing life expectancy?
00:25:32.000You've already given us a sort of a bit of an understanding that the causes of fatality were more environmental, traumatic disease oriented historically.
00:25:41.000Why is there this incremental and sudden decline in life expectancy?
00:25:49.000So if you go back to, I don't know, 1880-ish, and you look at the change in life expectancy for the next hundred years, it doubled.
00:26:00.000And it doubled only because the top eight causes of death, which were all infectious, came out.
00:26:08.000So you doubled human lifespan from roughly 40 to 80 by removing the eight most prevalent sources of infectious diseases and communicable diseases.
00:26:18.000But to your point, no real bearing on chronic diseases.
00:26:21.000Now, to your question, why has UF's life expectancy been in decline The answer is actually in the numbers, which is it is the increase in the deaths of despair.
00:26:32.000So it is not an increase in cardiovascular disease, cancer, diabetes, or dementia.
00:26:39.000It is the increase in suicide, overdoses, and alcohol-related deaths.
00:26:45.000So those three, which I lumped together as deaths of despair, are growing That's such a clip that is outpacing any incremental improvements we have in the others.
00:26:56.000And as you probably know, Russell, in the past year, we've seen now over 100,000 people die in the U.S.
00:27:09.000The gains that have been made as we advance beyond the era of dying like dumb apes as a result of infections is warping and metastasizing into the era where we're being killed by an ailing civilization that induces and perhaps you could even argue requires despair.
00:27:29.000Now on that spectrum of addiction I would definitely include Eating disorders.
00:27:35.000I've had an eating disorder when I was a young person, specifically bulimia.
00:27:40.000And I've seen you talk about obesity and weight loss.
00:27:43.000And while we're still on YouTube, I'll pose this question.
00:27:46.000What is the real reason, Peter, that some people Can never lose weight, no matter what they do.
00:27:53.000But before you answer, we're going to leave YouTube now and we're going to do our show exclusively over on Rumble, where we can speak freely and openly in the spirit of love, not so that we can convey misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, nor so that we can engage in senseless and pointless rhetoric of hate.
00:28:09.000So that we can freely and openly discuss ways that we might live better, individually and collectively, and there's no question that Peter's fine work is contributing on a grand scale to that endeavour.
00:28:21.000Join us over on Rumble to hear the answer to the question, what is the real reason some people never lose weight?
00:28:28.000Peter Atiyah, what is the real reason some people never lose weight?
00:28:40.000I'll preface this by saying I don't think I know the answer and I don't think anybody knows the answer.
00:28:44.000So I can posit several ideas and the reality of it is this.
00:28:49.000We are very, very hardwired, Russell, to store energy.
00:28:54.000Okay, so this is like the superpower of Homo sapiens.
00:29:00.000So you go back 200 to 250,000 years ago, as our particular species began to diverge from others, chimps, Neanderthals, there are lots of reasons that we out-competed them.
00:29:14.000You know, we can talk about our capacity to work in concert with other members of our species in large numbers.
00:29:23.000But from a biologic perspective, I think our superpower was our ability to store energy.
00:29:30.000And that's what enabled the organ between our ears to be so prolific, right?
00:29:36.000So your brain weighs like 2% of your body weight and consumes between 20 and 25% of your energy.
00:29:42.000Just kind of reflect on that for a moment.
00:29:44.000This tiny little organ is so energetically demanding that the only way our species could kind of leapfrog all the others was to make sure we never went without energy.
00:29:57.000And to do that, we had to be able to store energy when food was plentiful.
00:30:02.000And so we spend hundreds of thousands of years honing this genetic tool To basically be able to put fat into fat stores so that we can access it later on.
00:30:14.000And until food became entirely plentiful a hundred years ago, that problem basically didn't, you know, come back to bite us in the ass.
00:30:23.000So I think it's important to understand that when we think about how we are mired in an epidemic of obesity, we need to understand that we are putting these very, very, very old genes in an environment in which they never had a chance to adapt, right?
00:30:37.000We would never, in the current food environment, optimize around energy storage the way we have today.
00:30:44.000So the question then becomes, why are some people more genetically susceptible to this?
00:30:50.000Why are some people more behaviorally sensitive to this?
00:30:55.000Why are some people in an environment where, for example, they don't have the education, they don't have the means, they're in food deserts?
00:31:03.000You know, all of these things play a role.
00:31:07.000So, It's easier for me to answer the question at the species level, why are we getting fatter?
00:31:14.000It's harder for me to answer at the individual level, but I don't dispute for a moment that there are social and genetic factors that account for those differences.
00:31:23.000It's interesting to ponder, Peter, where the distinction between genetics and behavior might lie, where that particular line might be drawn.
00:31:32.000And also to reflect on the earlier part of our conversation where we discussed the crisis of despair, and whether or not that is similarly the result of finding ourselves suddenly in an environment more similar to a farm or a zoo than a forest or a plain, where suddenly hundreds of thousands of years of evolution, obviously much longer if you consider the entire lineage, are suddenly warped into an unnatural and perhaps, what do I want to say, antithetical, punishing condition that we have diets that are not reflective of our needs.
00:32:11.000We have systems of government that are not reflective of our needs.
00:32:14.000We have relationships that are not reflective of our needs.
00:32:16.000We have power systems that do not reflect our needs.
00:32:19.000Our emotional and spiritual requirements are neglected, warped and misunderstood in the same way that more observably Our dietary requirements have been inverted and reversed.
00:32:31.000People that are storing energy in the form of obesity would have been hugely advantaged in previous incarnations of our civilization, and they would never have found themselves in that condition.
00:32:44.000I was talking about the culture of reverence for elders, that revering elders makes sense in a culture where being an elder was an indication that you've survived.
00:32:57.000You've survived disease, you've survived the traumas and causes of death that you would have described.
00:33:02.000So you can see an evolutionary, biological and psychological undergirding for the concept of elder worship and perhaps even ancestor respect.
00:33:12.000So those are interesting things to tie together.
00:33:15.000I wonder about the carnivore diet, Pete.
00:33:19.000A lot of folk like Jordan Peterson comes on here a lot.
00:33:22.000He's a friend of ours, a friend of mine.
00:33:24.000And I know that he's not happy unless he's biting a lump out of the side of a cow.
00:33:29.000Is the carnivore diet just another fad?
00:33:34.000I'm vegan, so like, you know, I've got my own little struggles.
00:33:37.000What do you think about the carnivore diet?
00:33:40.000Yeah, vegan and carnivore would be about as far apart as possible.
00:33:43.000You know, it's funny, I did talk a little bit about this with Jordan when I was on his show a few months ago, and he posed the question, you know, genuinely from a place of curiosity, right?
00:33:52.000And as you know, because you're close to Jordan, You know, his arrival at a carnivore diet was not some sort of ideologic choice, right?
00:34:01.000This was a trial and error process brought on by his own physical ailments and a search for elimination, right?
00:34:10.000How could he eliminate things from his diet that were causing him inflammatory symptoms?
00:34:18.000I don't think we know the answer, right?
00:34:20.000I would really like to see this diet studied more.
00:34:22.000I think what we can say with relative clarity is that the carnivore diet, like any highly restrictive diet, will almost assuredly result in weight loss.
00:34:32.000And when a person loses weight, a number of parameters in their health will improve.
00:34:38.000But it's not clear that everything will improve, and it's not clear to me that any form of highly restrictive diet is in the long term going to be as healthy as a less restrictive, somewhat more balanced diet.
00:34:53.000And in particular with the carnivore diet, I think the one thing I would want to have better insight into before embarking on it for the rest of my life Would be what is the effect on for example cardiovascular disease if a person said look I want to go on this diet And I don't want to address the consequences of my lipids because for many people when they go on these diets Their lipids go haywire Which is the non-technical way of saying that they are increasing their risk at least on paper of cardiovascular disease so
00:35:24.000This hasn't been studied, and there really isn't a great way to do these studies because there isn't a huge motivation or incentive to study diets, right?
00:35:35.000It's not like you package and sell a diet.
00:35:39.000So who's the one that's going to pay $12 million to do, you know, even the three year study on the carnivore diet, which is a pittance, right?
00:35:48.000If you think about it, like $12 million is a trivial sum of money in the pharma landscape, and we'll happily spend You know, frankly, close to a billion dollars to gain approval for any single drug as you go from IND to Phase 3 approval.
00:37:53.000Healthful types of behaviors like exercise, like meditation, like good sleep, all these things that good diet, you know, these are lifestyle factors that are known to improve health.
00:38:04.000And I think sauna should be one of those factors because there is just mounting evidence that the sauna is associated with a 50% lower cardiovascular related mortality.
00:38:16.000It's associated with a 40% lower, what's called all-cause mortality, basically dying from all non-accidental causes.
00:38:23.000As you mentioned, respiratory disease as well, it affects the lungs.
00:38:26.000Alzheimer's disease, the 66% lower chance of getting Alzheimer's disease.
00:38:30.000So many different benefits that have been sort of over the years, now we're getting more evidence that the sauna is beneficial.
00:38:38.000It's extraordinary, it seems to me, Doctor, that by replicating the conditions by which we long lived deep in our forgotten history, we can engage dormant forces, and that one of the hallmarks of our time appears to be this Disembodying way of life that we increasingly stare sedentary at screens, glazed and lost and not connected to our bodies, unable to have healthy sex, eat healthy food, move nimbly through trees.
00:39:18.000Do you believe that that's part of what it is?
00:39:21.000That it replicates the conditions for which we are evolved?
00:39:25.000And indeed, is that why it even, like exercise, sauna, and can I ask, cold therapy, is that why they affect your mental health positively too?
00:39:38.000I think that because we have been able to measure genetic pathways, molecular pathways, molecules that are increasing in our body in response to sauna use, in response to exercise, in response to cold exposure, We're able to measure those molecules and genes and go, look, these are beneficial molecules.
00:40:01.000They're things that are blunting chronic inflammation, which is a byproduct of being sedentary, of being overweight, obese, of eating a refined, you know, carbohydrate, processed food, rich diet.
00:40:13.000And we're able to then also look at these genes.
00:40:16.000These are genes that are, you know, heat shock proteins for one,
00:40:20.000they respond to heat, but they also respond to just stress in general.
00:40:24.000So you can actually activate heat shock proteins, obviously from sauna,
00:40:28.000which would increase your core body temperature and exercise, but cold exposure also increases those.
00:40:33.000And they're basically, they have a beneficial effect in your brain,
00:40:39.000also in muscle mass, they're preserving muscle mass, preventing atrophy.
00:40:43.000And so, yes, I do think that actually the intermittent type of stress,
00:40:48.000you have to kind of be uncomfortable for a little bit.
00:40:50.000And that uncomfortable feeling is essential for the response, which is beneficial.
00:40:57.000And this term is somewhat, sometimes it's called,
00:41:00.000referred to as what's called hormesis.
00:41:03.000So essentially you expose your body to a little bit of stress.
00:41:06.000And sometimes that stress could be in the form of physical activity or temperature stress,
00:42:15.000I was able to handle the anxiety of, you know, graduate school better.
00:42:20.000And so I started looking into this research and I'm like, there's something going on in the brain.
00:42:24.000Like, people usually think about sauna, they think about sweating out toxins, which is true, but I was very interested in the profound effects that it was having on my mental health.
00:42:34.000And that was sort of the start of my interest in saunas.
00:42:39.000And since then, there has been quite a bit of literature showing that sauna is beneficial on the brain.
00:42:47.000So work by Dr. Charles Raison, you know, this was back in about 2016, he published a paper with people that have major depressive disorder, and they were sort of resistant to typical treatment.
00:43:00.000So like SSRIs, serotonin reuptake inhibitors is a very common one.
00:43:04.000And so he took these individuals and separated them into two groups.
00:43:08.000One group got what's called whole body hyperthermia, which is kind of like a sauna.
00:43:13.000So there's a machine, it's an infrared type of sauna where you basically, you know, are warming the person up via infrared radiation.
00:43:23.000And so they were getting that active treatment.
00:43:26.000And then there was a placebo group that was, Getting just a little bit warmer, like enough to think they were getting the treatment, but it wasn't.
00:43:33.000And the people that were getting the actual treatment, they actually were in a feverish state.
00:43:37.000So their core body temperature, I mean they were at about 101.3 degrees Fahrenheit, which is a little bit feverish.
00:44:22.000I can't talk too many details about it, but it's Extremely promising.
00:44:27.000And it's so exciting because what we have here is a potential modality for, you know, mood disorders, anxiety, much more work needs to be done.
00:44:38.000But the reality is, is that, you know, sauna does mimic in many ways moderate cardiovascular intensity.
00:44:44.000A lot of the physiological response is similar.
00:44:46.000And, you know, it takes a certain amount of commitment to go for a run, to get on a bike,
00:44:55.000you know, get on your Peloton, you know, whatever it is that's going to get your heart rate,
00:44:59.000you know, up and you're sweating, you know.
00:45:02.000And a lot of times people that are depressed, it is challenging for them to try to take
00:47:06.000Are you doing this by avoiding the toxins in our food?
00:47:10.000How are we to literally, Doctor, cheat Sweet Lady Death?
00:47:15.000Well, I basically don't listen to the advice of the medical system or the recommendations of our government or food industry, which are all promulgating theories about Health and I've nothing to do with health.
00:48:13.000But perhaps more importantly, are you suggesting that the medical industry and the food industry are conspiring to keep us in a cycle of sickness, seeing us as sort of consuming blobs that remain forever real?
00:48:25.000But deal with me first and then move on to everyone else in the world.
00:48:35.000As far as the food industry, the ag industry, the farm industry, the medical industry, it's really a big one medical industrial complex and we are in a situation that is You know, unlike anything we've ever seen before.
00:48:47.000We've seen a global increase in obesity from when I was born about 3 to 5% and now we're 42% in America.
00:48:53.000We're seeing 93% of Americans poor metabolic health.
00:48:56.000And it's really driven by our food system that keep people going into the health care system.
00:49:01.000And it's a perfect kind of virtuous or vicious cycle, if you will, of bad food, creating chronic disease that's then taken care by the medical system that's paid for by tax dollars.
00:49:12.000And that's driven by lobbying, and research and the co-opting of professional groups,
00:49:19.000the co-opting of social groups, the creating of front groups to confuse the public.
00:49:24.000It's really a very well orchestrated strategy to keep it from the truth of what creates health
00:49:30.000Which foods do we know are bad for us?
00:49:35.000Bad for us. I- Are we continuing to eat precisely because they are being lobbied for because that information is not being conveyed?
00:49:44.000What should we stop eating immediately?
00:49:46.000And what do we do about, is it a fallacy that it's just expensive to eat well and eat healthy, that it's expensive to eat healthy food, and that it's just easier to glug down salt and syrup and sugar all day long, nihilistically waiting away like some lilo on a couch?
00:50:03.000Well, it's true that we are all promoted these foods, but they're not necessarily cheaper.
00:50:10.000They're subsidized in part by government and industry, and they're made These processed foods are really cheap, but that's not actually expensive to eat well, if you know what you're doing.
00:50:20.000And in terms of the overall strategy of the food industry, you know, it's to produce large amounts of ultra-processed food from three main ingredients, corn, wheat, and soy, that are turned into all kinds of shapes, colors, sizes of chemically treated food-like substances that have nothing to do with health or food.
00:50:36.000And that we consume at an enormous volume, 60% of our diet in America is ultra processed food, 67% of kids diet.
00:50:42.000And for every 10% of your diet that's ultra processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%.
00:50:46.000This is the number one killer period in the planet.
00:50:49.000And on top of that, you know, the rest of our diet is pretty low in good stuff.
00:50:55.000So we have lots of bad stuff and very low good stuff, like fruits and vegetables, nuts and seeds, whole foods.
00:51:00.000And so we're ending up driving our bodies into this catastrophic state Where 6 out of 10 Americans have a chronic disease.
00:51:26.000Throughout the pandemic period we talked about the problem of comorbidities and how vulnerable people with comorbidities were, but now it seems that there's an epidemic of comorbidities.
00:51:36.000Plainly awareness and education are part of this, but this feels like a much bigger political problem.
00:51:42.000Do you offer, Dr. Mark, that what's required is nothing less than a revolution in agriculture that leads to the localization of the food supply chain, a revolution in the big food industry to regulate against it, to prevent them from lobbying, from shutting down the self-funded regulatory bodies that permit this kind of behavior, and a revolution in pharma?
00:52:08.000We need to change our food system from field to fork.
00:52:10.000We need to change all our food policies to support the right thing rather than the wrong thing.
00:52:13.000You know, right now, Russell, we have, for example, a food system where we're not paying the true cost of food.
00:52:19.000For every dollar we spend on food, according to the Rockefeller Foundation, there's three extra dollars spent on the downstream costs, whether it's the damage to our soils, loss of biodiversity, the depletion of our water resources, the destruction of the soil, which leads to Carbon in the atmosphere.
00:52:33.000I mean, one third of all the carbon in the atmosphere today for climate change comes from the destruction of our soil through our modern farming practices.
00:52:40.000And then our food is more nutritionally depleted.
00:52:42.000So we're driving huge amounts of production of the wrong foods, not enough of the right foods.
00:53:08.000And it's a huge amount of money at stake.
00:53:11.000That's propagating farming in ways that use heavy doses of fertilizer, which uses about 1% to 2% of all global energy, about 10% of greenhouse gas emissions.
00:53:21.000It pollutes our waterways, rivers, and lakes, causing eutrophication, which kills all the wildlife and fish in the water.
00:53:29.000And we deplete our soils as well by chemical spraying.
00:53:32.000We deplete the microbiome of the soil.
00:53:34.000So our food now is 50% less nutritious than it was 50 years ago, less vitamins and minerals and nutrients.
00:53:40.000And we're actually seeing land being degraded at such a rate that we're creating a new desert the size of Nicaragua every year.
00:53:56.000And unless we revolutionize the way we grow food, the food we produce, the food we market, the food we eat, we're in trouble.
00:54:06.000I don't think we can get there, but we're in trouble right now.
00:54:09.000I wonder if you feel, Mark, that the desacralization of food, the desacralization of our relationship with the land, with the soil, with the plants and animals that we eat, is in part responsible.
00:54:24.000The fact that this insidious, invasive ideology of commodity has so detached us from the The conscious component that eating in all healthy cultures contains is partly to blame.
00:54:39.000Whether it's the Mediterranean or the Indian subcontinent, so-called, people sacralise, and even Christian, Northern European cultures say in grace, recognising that our relationship with food is part of our symbiotic connection to nature.
00:54:55.000The loss of this awareness, is it part of the problem?
00:54:58.000And perhaps somewhat less esoterically, Katie in the chat says, do you think all this is causing my thyroid condition?
00:55:05.000Could you do both of those for us, Mark?
00:55:10.000I don't know about the thyroid condition, but actually chemical spraying and pesticides are a big source of thyroid issues.
00:55:17.000And so is gluten, which has changed in our food supply because of the hybridization of wheat.
00:55:23.000It's created dwarf wheat, which has far more gluten proteins that are far more inflammatory.
00:55:27.000So in part, yes, because of that, you might be increasing your thyroid risk.
00:55:32.000But I think the reality is that we have become disconnected from the land.
00:55:37.000We have been disconnected from our food source.
00:55:40.000In America, about 2% of the people were not farmers at the turn of the 1900s.
00:57:18.000Uh, I was just wondering, so one element... Small talk.
00:57:21.000We don't have a jingle for Gareth flirts with Dr. Mark Hyman.
00:57:25.000Although, oh god, I can only imagine what Biographics Jack would conjure up with that brief.
00:57:31.000I was just wondering, you talked a lot about the way in which we're being poisoned by the foods that we're eating that are making us sick.
00:57:37.000I guess the other element to this is the drugs that we're being told to take to make us better.
00:57:44.000And when we have a situation where drug studies are sponsored by drug companies and the FDA is funded by the pharmaceutical companies that it's meant to regulate, are we at a point where the drugs, I guess, you know, obviously this has been raised a lot during the pandemic, but the drugs that we're being told to take to lessen the issues of the things that are making us sick, aren't the things that we should be taking?
00:58:11.000Drugs that we shouldn't be taking at all and different drugs that we could be taking that would be more effective Yeah, listen, pharmaceutical drugs have a role, and they can benefit many people for many things.
00:58:22.000But they're now being prescribed in ways that actually don't, for the most part, help people create health.
00:58:29.000They're treating symptoms and diseases, and they often come with significant side effects.
00:58:33.000And the problem with research is that it's primarily funded by industry.
00:58:36.000Whether it's nutrition research, 12 times as much money is flowing into nutrition research as the government funding of research.
00:58:45.000And the findings of those Food industry-sponsored studies are 8 to 50 times more likely to show a positive benefit for their product.
00:58:51.000Like if dairy is seen to be a sports drink, well, guess what?
00:58:54.000It's going to work if it's funded by the Dairy Council.
00:58:57.000And same thing with pharmaceutical industry.
00:58:59.000You know, the frightening thing is that, you know, pharmaceutical industry has to submit all their data to the FDA for review.
00:59:07.000And then the FDA will approve the drug or will not approve the drug.
00:59:11.000But But they don't have to publish all the data.
00:59:14.000So they just publish the positive data that they kind of twist and contort and adjust and make statistical manipulations to make it seem good.
00:59:23.000Well, they don't actually publish the negative data.
00:59:26.000And this is quite concerning to me because we don't actually have true transparency about what we're taking and its impact, its benefit, and its risk.
00:59:32.000And most drugs are marginally effective, you know, and they don't reverse the disease.
00:59:36.000And you can't reverse diabetes with a drug.
00:59:39.000You can manage it, but the only place diabetes is cured is on the farm, in the grocery store, in the restaurants, in the kitchen.
00:59:45.000I can't cure it in my office with a medication.
00:59:47.000And I see it all the time when you actually Treat people by creating health using functional medicine, which is really the science of creating health.
00:59:59.000It works to actually reverse disease, whether it's autoimmune diseases, cardiovascular diseases, metabolic disease like diabetes, digestive problems, mood disorders.
01:00:07.000And where, you know, medication is important, but it's not the solution for most of the problems people have.
01:00:13.000And I think we need to move away from our reductionist model, which is you treat a single disease with a single drug, which is really predominantly how research is done, and look at how do we start to understand the science of what is health?
01:00:26.000How do we create it through an intervention, set of interventions that actually work, like lifestyle, what you eat, how you move, your sleep, stress, you know, the right practices in your life, community, meaning, belonging, purpose.
01:00:37.000Those are all the ingredients for health.
01:00:55.000The mainstream in the government or Elon Musk?
01:01:00.000Elon Musk refused to use Starlink's internet connectivity to facilitate Ukrainian bombing of Crimea, perhaps because he thought it might escalate the tensions between the two countries in what some people regard as a proxy war and lead to World War 3.
01:01:16.000That hasn't stopped Elizabeth Warren and CNN condemning him, I suppose, for meddling in international affairs and geopolitical matters.
01:01:26.000Musk, of course, says, well, it's against our terms and conditions.
01:02:01.000Think of some of the things that were revealed in the Twitter files about deep state infiltration of social media sites are coming home to roost for them.
01:02:08.000Let's have a look at this story and see what it exposes about the relationships between government and big tech and how they can't always have it their way.
01:02:15.000Maybe they just can't have Armageddon yet.
01:02:17.000That last year, Musk blocked access to his Starlink satellite network in Crimea in order to disrupt a major Ukrainian attack on the Russian Navy there.
01:02:27.000In other words, Musk effectively sabotaged a military operation by Ukraine, a U.S.
01:02:34.000ally, against Russia, an aggressor country that invaded a U.S.
01:02:40.000What an extraordinary new world we're living in.
01:02:43.000For a moment, let us consider the vast power of a man like Elon Musk, that he has the facility and ability to make choices that interrupt the trajectory of a geopolitical superpower, or at least in this case the allies of America, in an ongoing war that is plainly supported by the United States of America.
01:03:02.000But also let's check morally the framing of this.
01:03:06.000There is a complaint that Elon Musk did that.
01:03:09.000Look at the opportunities we have to analyse our current state.
01:03:12.000There are big tech companies that are so powerful they are essentially states in themselves.
01:03:17.000This is not just exposed in this Starlink Elon Musk example where, you know, just for the hell of it, I'll tell you, I think generally speaking, not exacerbating war is probably a good thing.
01:03:28.000Let me know in the comments in the chat if you agree.
01:03:29.000But it shows that companies like Microsoft that have massive contracts with the government, Facebook that cooperated in extraordinary ways during COVID, the Twitter files revelations about deep state infiltration into all social media sites, Edward Snowden's revelations about how how much we were being spied on by our governments.
01:03:45.000It just shows you that big tech and the state are involved in extraordinary projects together.
01:03:50.000And Elon Musk remains an anomaly because he is one of those rare figures
01:04:05.000They've accidentally put the same filter over Antony Blinken that they put over Joe Rogan when he said that he had healed himself of coronavirus.
01:04:17.000Starlink has been a vital tool for the Ukrainians to be able to communicate with each other, and particularly for the military to communicate in their effort to defend all of Ukraine's territory.
01:04:28.000It remains so, and I would expect it to continue to be critical to their efforts.
01:04:33.000The ordinary semantics of war being deployed.
01:04:56.000Even though they plainly don't agree with what Musk has done, they can't even really criticize him because they are dependent on Musk's facilities.
01:05:04.000So even though the main thrust of this could be, yeah it's a good thing that we've avoided Armageddon, let me know in the comments if you think that's a significant component of this story and it's somewhat peculiar that it's a sort of a tech billionaire that's making decisions that guide the world towards less war and the government that's sort of agitated by that, but what it Also reveals is the changing nature of relationships between the state and big tech.
01:05:26.000It's often been remarked to the point of cliche that these organizations have unprecedented power, that compared to them, energy companies and the Carnegie's and the Rockefeller's and some of the other famous names are as nothing compared to big tech's capacity to influence world affairs.
01:06:10.000Let me know in the comments what you think about that.
01:06:11.000Do you see how this system is open to exploitation?
01:06:14.000Carry on with your privacy violations, carry on selling data, carry on spying, because we're going to be asking you for a little favour down the line.
01:06:22.000Do you see how these two titans, usually Elon Musk aside, are able to collaborate to a degree that's obviously adverse to the freedom of ordinary people, and by ordinary people I mean basically everyone that's not the state and big tech.
01:06:36.000I don't know that you can't speak to it.
01:07:07.000It's an unstable and extraordinary situation we find ourselves in.
01:07:11.000The only reason it's being reported on, of course, is because Elon Musk's actions were out of line with the preferences of the trajectory of power.
01:09:30.000Also, doesn't it start to melt away the veneer, the lie, the charge that this isn't a proxy war?
01:09:36.000That America's only involvement is kind of humanitarian aid and then lethal aid and it's still not a war.
01:09:42.000What business is it of theirs if Elon Musk, who's apparently a private individual, goes, I'm not going to facilitate the bombing of Crimea or this Black Sea naval attack.
01:09:50.000So now they're involved in that aspect of it.
01:09:51.000Do you see how immersive, how integral, how obvious and evident, whether it's in the lead up to this war, the arming of Ukraine, the potential for rebuilding Ukraine subsequently.
01:10:01.000Again, I have to always specify and express explicitly The humanitarian aid for Ukraine and bringing about an end to their suffering and opposing the criminal invasion by Russia are all important things but remember the ICC can't be consulted because America's own military history is so dubious that they can't call upon anybody to adjudicate.
01:10:21.000Elon Musk says he refused to give Kiev access to his Starlink communications network over Crimea to avoid complicity in a major act of war.
01:10:29.000It's just so It's so odd, I think, that what Elon Musk is saying makes more sense than the oddly saccharine and lacquered language of the mainstream media and the government.
01:10:39.000Like, Elizabeth Warren, who I sort of feel like I remember is meant to be kind of a super liberal person who cares about people's rights, is like, we better check because we can't have people stopping us bombing people when we need.
01:10:49.000Not us, them, that we're supporting bombing people when we need.
01:10:52.000And it's Elon Musk that says we've got to avoid complicity in a major act of war.
01:10:57.000Imagine the government and the mainstream media were advocating for peace and a billionaire like Elon Musk with all of his quirks of personality was going, I have decided that instead I'm going to facilitate the ongoing bombing.
01:11:09.000They're going, this geyser has got to be reined in, this is out of control.
01:11:32.000Here's what Musk says on X. Much appreciated, Walter.
01:11:35.000The onus is meaningfully different if I refuse to act upon a request from Ukraine versus made a deliberate change to Starlink to thwart Ukraine.
01:11:43.000At no point did I or anyone at SpaceX promise coverage over Crimea.
01:11:47.000Moreover, our terms of service clearly prohibit Starlink for offensive military action as we are a civilian system.
01:11:54.000So they were again asking for something that was expressly prohibited.
01:11:57.000I can't believe that, you know stuff you see in terms and conditions when you scroll down?
01:12:01.000Like somewhere that goes, we can't let you create Armageddon.
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01:13:35.000Like, what world are we living in where that has to be said?
01:13:38.000Where Elon Musk has to publicly say, I don't really want it used for long-range.
01:13:41.000Like, I remember hearing about Starlink before when they were saying Elon Musk should be donating money.
01:13:45.000He goes, actually, I've given him Starlink and stuff.
01:13:47.000Shouldn't the collective aim be peace and diplomacy?
01:13:50.000People go, I know you're being naive because Russia, Putin's man.
01:13:52.000But like, I think that they have to present Russia as an unprecedented aggressor and Putin as an unassailable, indefatigable lunatic in order to continue with their agenda.
01:14:02.000Because if Putin, like any other politician, is a, you know, you know what I think of politicians and I don't think that he's an exemplary character, but neither do I think that he's distinctly worse than anyone else.
01:14:16.000How can it not be favourable that this would be approached by the UN, by NATO, by global bodies with an incentive for peace?
01:14:24.000Look, this is obviously going to escalate.
01:14:26.000We are going to have to come to some compromise over these disputed territories and these ethnic areas and obviously Russia does have sovereign rights to not feel impeded upon by the North Atlantic Trade Organization that were expressly set up to make the Soviet Union Feel threatened.
01:14:41.000It's so plain to me that a conversation needs to take place.
01:15:00.000He has restricted access to Starlink on multiple occasions throughout the war, according to a report by the New York Times, citing people familiar with the situation.
01:15:08.000In February, he wrote on Twitter, we are not allowing Starlink to be used for long-range drone strikes.
01:15:14.000Last year, Mr. Musk published a peace plan for Ukraine, suggesting it should mirror sovereignty referendums organized by Russia in regions it occupied.
01:15:22.000The Kremlin welcomed the billionaire's suggestion as a positive step, while Kiev accused him of presenting proposals aligned to Russian interests.
01:15:29.000In February, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said in a Zoom call with a group of experts that a Ukrainian attempt to retake Crimea would be a red line for Vladimir Putin that could lead to wider Russian response.
01:15:40.000The total number of Ukrainian-Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began 18 months ago is nearing half a million people, U.S.
01:15:55.000Like, just half a million lives, the devastation.
01:15:58.000The news is discussing the wrong thing.
01:16:00.000Andy Blinken's the person that said that Crimea would be a red line for Putin.
01:16:04.000Why are we not discussing the madness that it takes a private individual, a tech billionaire, to make a decision that favours world safety more than the United States of America and the military-industrial complex?
01:16:17.000Antony Blink is in an extraordinary situation, isn't he?
01:16:19.000He has to keep Elon Musk happy because of the requirement for his ongoing cooperation with Starlink.
01:16:24.000He's got to somehow acknowledge and yet not declare that he knows that Crimea is a red line for Putin and that he's potentially involved in nuclear brinkmanship with a nuclear superpower, as well as some extraordinary relationships that he has with the military-industrial complex.
01:16:40.000It's a long way from like John Lennon saying, all we are saying is give peace a chance.
01:18:05.000The last time I was there was almost exactly a year ago.
01:18:08.000In that year, from the last time I was there till this week, the Ukrainians have retaken more than 50% of the territory seized by Russia since February of 2022.
01:18:16.000They're now engaged in a critical counter-offensive.
01:18:20.000And we're doing everything we can to maximize our support for them, along with many other countries, so that they can be successful.
01:18:26.000Starlink is an important part of their success, and as I said, we expect that it will continue to be so.
01:18:33.000It sounds like Starlink's so important the US government doesn't want to risk offending a capricious billionaire who did some things that I think in another situation the US government might want to say something about but let's move on.
01:18:44.000That's so extraordinary that the only time you hear the mainstream media being sort of overtly critical it's when the military-industrial complex's agenda is broken.
01:18:53.000Briefly interrupted or unable to be completely fulfilled because of the reliance of the government on big tech, which is a problem.
01:19:00.000Well, not a problem, it's a solution elsewhere across their governments when it comes to surveillance and censorship and spy and all the stuff that you already know about.
01:19:09.000Do you see the alignment between the mainstream media and the military-industrial complex?
01:19:13.000It's extraordinary to see how that lines up, isn't it?
01:19:15.000Let me know in the comments if you agree.
01:19:16.000So what is that agenda that the mainstream media and Jake Tapper there, quite aggressively, are supporting?
01:19:21.000Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal recently commented that the US is getting its money's worth in Ukraine because Russia is taking losses and no Americans are dying, showing a lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.
01:19:36.000For less than 3% of our nation's military budget, we've enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia's military strength by half, all without a single American servicewoman or man injured or lost, he added.
01:19:45.000You know, every so often they just say stuff that's like, oh right, so this is what's going on, why don't we talk about this plainly so we can, like, you know, have a vote on it.
01:19:52.000And, is Anthony Blinken right that the war's going well for Ukraine?
01:19:54.000The Washington Post recently reported that US intelligence has determined Ukraine's counteroffensive will fail to meet its main objective of severing Russia's land bridge to Crimea.
01:20:03.000Despite the conclusion, The US is pushing Ukrainian commanders to go harder on the battlefield and complaining that Ukraine has become too casualty averse.
01:20:10.000So is the counter-offensive going well for Ukraine?
01:20:24.000And casualty averse, that means they don't want people dying.
01:20:27.000They're starting to realise that too many people are dying in an unwinnable war.
01:20:31.000It's an unwinnable war because there's so many scenarios where it just leads to unthinkable devastation.
01:20:37.000Leading up to the counter-offensive, the Discord leaks and other media reports show that the US did not believe Ukraine could regain significant territory, but the Biden administration still pushed for the assault and rejected the idea of a ceasefire.
01:20:47.000But the assumption that peace is the most favourable outcome in any conflict has long been abandoned.
01:20:53.000Listen to this extraordinary piece of discourse from NATO and NATO member companies.
01:21:01.000Companies, countries, they all seem to intermingle these days.
01:21:04.000Where they talk about how undesirable peace and peace talks are.
01:21:07.000NATO members that border Russia and Belarus are afraid that growing opposition to the proxy war in Ukraine inside the United States will put pressure on the Ukrainians to pursue peace talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, The Hill reported on Tuesday.
01:21:19.000The narrative from the countries on NATO's eastern flank is that peace talks would reward Putin and put Russia in a better position to exert its influence.
01:21:27.000All of this then increases the threat on NATO's borders.
01:21:29.000Putin would be able to sell negotiations as a victory, and it would help him exert even greater political influence globally.
01:21:36.000Often this conflict is compared to the Second World War.
01:21:39.000Of course, famously, Adolf Hitler was appeased initially by many countries, including our country, which ultimately was a significant opponent of Nazism.
01:21:48.000And obviously what happened was there were incremental lines that were drawn.
01:21:52.000Like, oh, if they invade Czechoslovakia, if they retake Alsace-Lorraine and the Rhineland.
01:21:57.000Until ultimately, at the point where Poland was invaded, war was declared.
01:22:01.000In this situation, it appears that there are numerous narratives available.
01:22:06.000For example, isn't it possible to consider That peace talks could be sought between Russia, Ukraine, including solutions for these disputed territories, including Ukraine's NATO status.
01:22:18.000And if after that, Russia went, and now we invade Belarus, you go, oh shit, actually they are imperialist lunatics.
01:22:25.000It's not like it would then be too late.
01:22:26.000Particularly contrasted with the strategy of continuing to push Russia on the issue of Crimea, where they've said that's a red line and it will lead to war.
01:22:35.000So if you look at historical precedent, it seems that we are at the point where negotiation is not the same as appeasement.
01:22:43.000Let me know in the comments if you agree.
01:22:44.000In the early days of the war, Russia and Ukraine were engaged in peace talks that seemed promising, but they were discouraged by the US and its allies.
01:22:57.000Than to achieve a peace that comes too early or at too high a cost to Kiev and the rest of Europe.
01:23:02.000You have to question the entire mentality that leads to sentences, paradigms and equations like that.
01:23:08.000Dying too early, peace too... You have to question everything because what's being normalised is too astonishing.
01:23:14.000While the US and NATO insist it's up to Ukraine to negotiate, according to Ukrainska Pravda, then British Prime Minister Boris Johnson told Zelensky when a deal was on the table in April 22 that even if Ukraine was ready to sign an agreement with Putin, Kiev's Western backers were not.
01:23:28.000Russia's main demand during the short-lived negotiations that took place in the first months of the war was Ukrainian neutrality.
01:23:36.000What an extraordinary conflict this is, where Elon Musk appears to have to be relied upon to act more responsibly than a nation state.
01:23:44.000How evident it is from rhetoric like, Ukraine have become casualty averse, that Ukraine are being used and manipulated.
01:23:52.000The failed or even sabotaged peace talks are a further indicator that Ukraine are a junior partner in a proxy war between the United States and Russia in which the United States plainly has an agenda to weaken Russia and has found a way of doing that without risking too much adverse publicity at home because it isn't the sons and daughters of America that are being used to fight this battle that are coming home in coffins, it's the sons and daughters of Ukraine.
01:24:16.000And according to this information, that's a price worth paying.
01:24:20.000Value for money is the phrase that was used.
01:24:24.000It is an extraordinary new world where tech billionaires have to be relied upon to make diplomatic decisions.
01:24:30.000But thankfully, in this instance, the tech billionaire is making a better decision than the people you're voting for and funding to make those decisions for you.