00:00:18.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:00:31.000Here's a little bit about Michael H. Peters.
00:00:33.000Michael H. Peters is an engineer, entrepreneur, and author whose work spans technology, blockchain innovation, design, and leadership.
00:00:41.000Trained at the Rose Holman Institute of Technology and connected to the Harvard Graduate School of Design through teaching and advisory roles, he has spent years working across fields ranging from development and education to emerging technologies.
00:00:54.000Through his books, The System or The Ecosystem, he explores the tension between institutional religion and what he sees as a more relational lived experience of Christianity, centered on community, identity, and a direct relationship with God.
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00:01:22.000I found out that they're banning it on Amazon in the UK, which sort of excites me a little bit.
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00:03:32.000I'm reading a book right now at the moment, but I'm gonna just read this bio really to get me into the right mood and to see if I agree with what this bio is and to see if you agree with it.
00:03:42.000Michael H. Peters is an engineer, blockchain innovator, and author who spent more than four decades quietly dismantling one of the most powerful systems on earth institutional religion.
00:03:52.000Trained at Rose Horman Institute of Technology and Harvard Graduate School of Design.
00:04:16.000As a house church practitioner who has never taken a single dollar for his teaching, his two volume work, The System or the Ecosystem, is available free in five languages, draws a blazing distinction between the man made religious machine and the living organic community Jesus actually designed.
00:04:40.000He's pointing to something older than every institution trying to own it.
00:04:48.000Michael, here's the spiral I've been on for a long, long time.
00:04:56.000A kind of an awareness of greatness and the potential of greatness, reaching towards it, personalizing it, trying to own it.
00:05:05.000Kind of a bit like Lucifer, in fact, wanting my own domain and my own dominion that I want to be the center of.
00:05:14.000Then successive falls, successive falls, personal falls, to the point of like most recently, Christ came to me in my abdomen.
00:05:27.000I realized in sort of an instant that I'd previously held a version of Christ in my mind that I kind of had pinioned via the intellect into an object.
00:05:43.000Either Michael, I was like, Oh, yeah, I get it.
00:05:45.000Like, what religions are kind of, I would agree with the general trend and tendency indicated by this AI generated but pretty good bio here.
00:05:56.000Like, the religion is a sort of, oh, I get it.
00:06:02.000It's an attempt to systematize the organic.
00:06:06.000I probably wouldn't have reached for the word organic, I might have said something like natural or transcendent or something like that.
00:06:13.000Anyway, now where I am, having had that experience of.
00:06:16.000Christ coming to me, I'm reading the Bible and detecting in it truths that I'd encountered before in other ways.
00:06:26.000Some of the things that are on my mind, right, primarily what's on my mind, given that you're the guest and you're the person that I'm here to learn from, is I'm tired of talking about cyclical news events and I'm tired of having conversations that are, by their nature, constricted and restrained and held within a paradigm.
00:06:51.000That exists in false polarity in order to maintain precisely that ongoing tension.
00:07:11.000The thing that's probably interested me most from the intro that I read there is he is not building a movement, he is pointing to something older than every institution trying to own it.
00:07:23.000So, we're now on our show, Stay Free with Russell Brand, attempting to speak with people and get educated by people that could help us do this to create a new confederacy of autonomous, independent communities that are energy independent and food independent, that are run fully democratically.
00:07:46.000And politics is drained of ideology, it becomes purely about pragmatism.
00:07:54.000Okay, this is our resources, this is the timeframe.
00:07:58.000It doesn't have any inflection of, but we're Muslim, of course, or we're homosexual, or we're Christian, or we're heterosexual.
00:08:05.000Like it's devoid of that, purely rational, purely engineering.0.58
00:08:09.000And then when it comes to the matter of Christ, how does every individual receive the bounty that he offers us, that he tells us, in fact, we already have, and in the new covenant are now in a posture to receive if we're able to turn away from the world and towards him?
00:08:28.000When I'm reading your books, firstly, like, You know, like all self published stuff always looks a bit crazy, you know, like stuff like the cats and, you know, you've got a Lego cat and a.
00:08:39.000The person who did the Lego cat sitting here, so go easy.
00:09:25.000That I believe that our focus should be establishing independent autonomous communities, decoupling from the empire, using our own currencies, growing our own food, having our own energy, and Orienting everything towards Christ as best we can in our fallenness.
00:09:44.000I think that might be the cart before the horse.
00:09:47.000Just if you can hear me out for a second on that topic.
00:11:37.000You know, the whole idea that the God who lived outside of time, not constrained by matter, not constrained by the laws of physics or relativity, He lived totally outside of all of that.
00:11:50.000He actually came to this planet not only to die for us, that's only the beginning.
00:11:56.000That's the good news of Jesus Christ that his blood can wash us and cleanse us.
00:12:03.000We can talk more about walking through the pieces and Abraham later, but this God came and dwelt with us and lived with us to show us on earth as it is in heaven, to show us a dimension that we can't possibly apprehend with the smartest mind, with the most powerful intellect or.
00:12:24.000Intuition, I cannot see, ear cannot hear.
00:12:27.000It doesn't even enter into our mind what is possible with a God who is not constrained by time or matter, right?
00:12:35.000So, with that in mind, Jesus came and he cracked open this new dimension.
00:12:40.000So, you've got an XY axis and you have a Z axis, right?
00:13:11.000Tasting the powers of the coming age, you know, the new realm, tasting the powers of the new realm, the coming age, is not defined by rules or time or gravity.
00:13:25.000But what he came and wants us to experience is Zoe life, which you'll see repeatedly in the ecosystem book.
00:13:32.000And that's the Z axis, just by, or Gen Z, just by coincidence.0.59
00:13:37.000But the idea is that he came to draw us up as we lose our flesh, as we lose our life, as we crack open the alabaster jar and let the ointment flow, as we give up this present age, when we're willing to let go of the hold it has on us, the gravity of owning reputation, owning possessions, owning.0.72
00:13:57.000Anything, if we let go of that, then he's able to fill us.
00:14:01.000Take up your cross, deny your very self.0.98
00:14:04.000You know, these are concepts that just aren't normal for humans, for mammals.
00:14:08.000So, trying to make peace with the mammal world and rearrange the deck chairs so that, you know, we all share our water, we all share our orange juice, we all share our livestock.
00:14:20.000I've had some pretty famous Christian authors fly into where I live to talk about this over the last 25 years, and they came up with circling up a bunch of trailers.
00:14:32.000In a field in Minnesota, and said, Okay, now we'll have two cars and we'll share them.
00:14:37.000We'll call that community, and all your money goes into one pot, and blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:16:25.000I'm saying instead that he came, he demonstrated that through his life.
00:16:36.000Nevertheless, the passion, the passion I think is very interesting in light of what you've just said about emptying self.
00:16:42.000And one might, I suppose, then suggest, And even discuss whether or not Christ's, obviously, Christ's challenge is unique, but distinct in a way that's very important from the saints, because I get the sense that sainthood is precisely as you described an ability to empty yourself out and to receive the living water of Christ.
00:17:04.000And part of that might be a kind of a negating, abnegating, voiding of passion.
00:17:12.000Yet our Lord experiences a very human, Gethsemane, a clear desire.
00:17:44.000So, like, you know, so like, you know, when I'm, I, I, I experience Gethsemane level challenges.
00:17:51.000Pretty, I mean, you know, for me, I'm not saying that that's an immovable bar.
00:17:57.000The Christ's version seems to be to take on all sin upon himself, to act as a kind of a magnet that pulls in all earthly evil onto himself, to somehow reverse the charge, reduce, eliminate the charge, instantiate a new frequency, a frequency inaccessible unless he himself does that somehow.
00:18:24.000Go on, that sounds like an important intervention.
00:18:28.000Not if I'm interrupting you, so you can keep going if you want.
00:18:33.000Well, okay, so that's part of it the absorption, the nullification.
00:18:38.000Because, see, when we use Christian language, like you did at the beginning, like the covenant of his blood, we're saved by his blood, we're saved by his wounds, right?
00:18:45.000As an image system, as a poetic, I understand that.
00:18:48.000But when we're sort of level jumping, Michael, between frequency, vibration, and interdimensional consciousness, and very traditional Christian language, like covered by the Blood, it's hard, I think.
00:19:01.000Do you not think it's hard to parcel and shepherd the idea?
00:19:07.000It's hard to carry the idea that what I'm trying to undertake is this kind of, you know, like an idea that's in Stoicism as well.
00:19:15.000You know, you are dead, says Marcus Aurelius, now live the rest of your life properly.0.98
00:19:20.000The Buddhists stop dragging the corpse around, you're already dead.1.00
00:19:24.000But I'm always mentioned, whenever I mention Stoicism, C.S. Lewis' quote, Error is to assume that what a man can do sometimes, he can do always.0.95
00:19:33.000There are points, there's been points today where I've felt in the absolute flow of him the absolute flow of, like, oh yeah, he's here, he's me, he's coming through, he's coming through.
00:19:43.000But then there are other points where I'm back to Russell when I'm like trying to take a shortcut through the gas station to avoid these roadworks and the guys that are working there, like they go, No, you can't drive over there.
00:19:54.000And I'm like, Can't or you're not letting me.
00:20:03.000And the example I use is I go, Gravity is a rule that you cannot, you have no choice as to whether or not to ignore gravity unless, yeah, you're in interdimensional, you know, our extra.
00:20:49.000You know, it's really hard for me to know how to use what I'm experiencing viscerally and in my body.
00:20:57.000It's difficult to see how to use it in the world.
00:21:01.000And the reason I suppose that I'm trying to apply it practically and thinking about what does this mean politically is one, because it feels like we're in an urgent, albeit incessant and circular cultural crisis.
00:21:19.000And two, because it's probably easier to.
00:21:22.000Try and solve all of the world's political problems than to deal with my own thoughts.
00:22:04.000The suffering is like the residual attachment.
00:22:07.000That's the burning of your attachment.
00:22:09.000Martyrdom, I suppose, is the willingness to even give up your life to be, you know, like Paul says, like they all say, like Stephen says as he's dying, oh man, I can see it and this is amazing.
00:22:18.000Like Paul, I don't even want to be here no more.
00:23:06.000So I'm not saying don't expect too much of yourself, but I will say what you can expect is infinitely more insight, infinitely more strength.
00:23:16.000As you behold him, you grow from glory to glory to glory.
00:23:21.000By looking at him, instead of looking at ourselves, instead of looking in the mirror dimly, We want to look through the mirror and see him.
00:23:28.000And if we do that, then he changes us.
00:23:31.000It says, then we're transfigured, is the word, transformed by the Lord who is the Spirit.
00:23:36.000It's passive, it's not an attainment, it's not an accomplishment, lest any man boast.
00:23:43.000So as we behold him, that two years turns into four, turns into six, and if we're willing to keep letting go of this present age, then on the inside, the Spirit of God begins to overtake more and more.
00:23:55.000The Peter who wrote 1 and 2 Peter is not the Peter that said, Cockledoodle doo, I don't know him.
00:24:03.000It was a process of him looking at Jesus, letting the Spirit of God change him, and a knucklehead fisherman, unlearned and ignorant, Turned into a man of God to change the world alongside of his brothers, of course.
00:24:18.000But yeah, so it's a process, it's not something you attain, it's something you release by its nature, atemporal and aspatial.
00:24:36.000I don't think he lets that happen instantaneously for a reason in some areas, you know.0.98
00:24:42.000Some of the things, like I was smoking weed in the Fraternity house back alley with a bunch of guys regularly, and we're passing the hoochie.0.63
00:24:54.000And then I gave my life to Jesus, and I'm out there with them just as always.0.97
00:25:27.000And how do you break a habit like that in an instant when it's just part of every sentence?
00:25:33.000So there are things that can happen instantaneously, and other things I have suffered immensely to let go of and I've failed is this sine wave.
00:25:41.000But that sine wave is on a positive slope.
00:25:46.000And it feels just as bad at the bottom of that sine.
00:25:50.000But it's nowhere compared to what I used to be, if I'm just being honest about it.
00:26:28.000That's what some of the last words he said to Peter, right?
00:26:31.000When you're converted, Peter, strengthen your brothers.
00:26:33.000Satan wants to sift you as weed, he wants to kill you, but there's more in this for you if you'll learn the hard way than if you decide you're just going to be some superhero and put on your cape and your tight panties and you're going to just impress everybody.
00:27:08.000But to judge something you can't see with your eye that can wring out a whole continent with its bare hands and to sit in judgment over that, that's a pretty spectacular place that God is bringing us to.
00:28:59.000So we've got to have that life together, and it's not hanging out and sharing possessions, it's emptying ourselves so that we share his spirit, and then he takes care of all the other little details of the infrastructure and the homes and the Grecian widows.0.94
00:30:43.000So, and so when I'm, yes, looking specifically.
00:30:51.000So, I guess partly then, what we're saying is that he is coming to us, and that the discernible, sensory, material, measurable reality is, whilst it's an expression of the total, how could it not be an expression of the total and an expression of the source of the Father?
00:31:22.000Of the whole, and I evidence this with we can't make judgments based on what is observable, i.e., we live by faith, not by sight.
00:31:36.000Meaning that, were we to, and this is my inclination, I don't know quite why, it's somewhat Ephesians oriented, even though Ephesians 6 12 specifically, I mean, even though that does deliberately.
00:32:01.000I guess up until now, I was thinking the reason for the disorder here on earth is because our systems and institutions are occupied by the diabolical.
00:32:12.000The contemporary church is happy to point out moral and ethical failings in the individual, but not so willing to point out cultural and social issues that.
00:32:26.000Indicate the deep insidious nature of evil that it's within the insta, and the reason it doesn't do that, of course, is because those institutions have themselves been captured by the very phenomena that they are failing to point out.
00:32:43.000However, I guess talking about the Ephesians 6 12, and I'll read it because sometimes, like, you know, I can't assume that everyone knows everything.
00:32:50.000I know that you do, not everything, but you know what I'm talking about now.
00:32:53.000Um, but like, I don't want to assume that the audience necessarily forgot more than I ever knew.
00:33:07.000For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
00:33:21.000However, it is followed, of course, famously by instruction, and it is preceded by the idea of struggle.
00:33:40.000And I wonder if the instruction to arm ourselves and to stand firm.
00:33:47.000Well, I guess, you know, of course, this is a very, like the context is this is written to a particular people in a particular church at a particular time.
00:33:53.000And for it to have, for it to warrant being canonical, it must have universal value.
00:34:04.000But nevertheless, My point was, I see that as, oh, this isn't telling me why the world is the way it is.
00:34:11.000The world is the way it is because dark, heavenly, spiritual powers are steering and controlling earthly institutions.
00:34:20.000Another part of the New Testament that's sort of part of my person.
00:34:27.000You know, then, of course, how you are read by the Bible as you read it.
00:34:36.000And scripture that has particular pertinence to the individual is likely part of your ladder out.
00:34:42.000It's part of your ladder out of a whole of self.
00:34:45.000So, Luke 10 18, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
00:35:13.000Well, I took it as a critique of their hubris on returning in celebration that they'd cast out demons and evil spirits, and that our Lord tells them that the reason these deeds are undertaken is because their names are written in the heavenly book, not because of any personal power that they might feel inclined towards.
00:35:35.000So, it seems to me then that the primary battle is taking place here within me, within you, within us.
00:35:45.000But I wonder then, this is what I wonder, Michael.
00:35:54.000Is like, see your book, The System or Ecosystem.
00:35:58.000I don't know quite why I've added this to it.
00:36:01.000I feel like what you're trying to say is that we should try to live in communities that are representative of these principles.
00:36:11.000And you can't live in communities that are representative of these principles unless you, as an individual, are doing your best to live by these principles.
00:38:11.000Yeah, but in chapter 3, if there be such a thing, it says, Because you're lukewarm, a little hot, a little cold, I vomit you out of my mouth.
00:38:21.000All right, so that just pretty well knocks out just about everything that's ever called itself a church in the Western Hemisphere in the last several hundred years.
00:38:29.000He's vomiting, but you're okay anyway.
00:38:33.000So it's the good news of Jesus Christ and the good news of the kingdom, which means are you living it together in the Spirit, or do you just claim, oh, I'm saved, I'm saved.
00:38:44.000I said a prayer that was invented in 1922, the sinner's prayer.
00:39:46.000That was taxation without representation, right?
00:39:50.000And the real thing that God came to bring to planet Earth was an experience of Him, not a belief system that acknowledges Him correctly, and then Baskin Robbins 31 flavors of competing my doctrine versus yours.
00:40:05.000The reason why Simon the zealot and Matthew the tax collector didn't strangle each other on day one.
00:40:12.000They hated each other before they met Jesus.
00:40:16.000Their doctrines didn't change in a minute.
00:40:18.000What changed was they realized they had more to do on the inside by far than what they were trying to do on the outside.
00:40:24.000And when you're acknowledging the things on the inside, which I know you're doing, I've heard you say it many times, including in Santa Rosa.
00:40:34.000When you deal with the things on the inside, you're opening up so many things to the Godhead, to the experience and the fellowship of God.
00:40:42.000To have to keep that first love rather than get distracted, and it just opens up an entire universe that's the z axis, the zoe life, not life when I go to heaven, but life that always was and always will be unconstrained by time or matter.
00:41:01.000That's what I begin to feed into my soul rivers of living water, not a dead lake, but rivers of alive water gushing from the inner man, tasting the powers of peace that transcends understanding.
00:41:14.000I can't explain it, joy inexpressible.
00:41:44.000And so, when you start stepping outside of this present age, And you don't accept anymore the idea that when you die, your soul goes to a garage in Buffalo, like most of the world religions do.
00:41:56.000When you really try to experience God, you say, oh, you're just a mystic.
00:42:15.000Call that community if you want, but you can have a fake community, right?
00:42:19.000But if you're sharing that oneness of heart, mind, soul, strength, you know, joined and knit together by every supporting ligament, the hand can't say to the eye, I have no need of you.
00:42:29.000That kind of loyalty that transcends brains and fear and, you know, reputation.
00:42:37.000If you can empty your heart, did not our hearts burn within us as we walked along the way?
00:42:42.000You know, that was their measuring rod of who is this guy?
00:42:46.000Oh, he changed my DNA while we were talking.
00:42:51.000Oh, well, I don't know if I believe that because I checked that out in the Hebrew lexicon.
00:42:56.000And, like, man, you guys are missing the story with a capital S that Jesus came to the planet to bring us.
00:43:03.000So, you know, community, yes, but it's a community that is built around a commonness of spirit and life and love that is undefined by time and place.
00:43:18.000And every personality in the universe, you know, the nose rings and the tattoos, the bald businessman with an $8,000 briefcase, the whatever, who cares?
00:43:31.000Not do you believe the right things, but are you experiencing Jesus and is he experiencing you?
00:43:37.000And that's where community just makes itself happen.
00:43:41.000You can get a lot of metaphors from relativistic physics and the atomic sublevels.
00:43:48.000There's a lot of things with the Bose Einstein condensate, and there are a lot of things that are very, very enlightening in the world of the unraveled physics of the universe that most people don't even think about.
00:45:20.000Now, the image of the fountain, the inner fountain, the stream in the desert, it's interesting, isn't it?
00:45:32.000Because we've got, in a sense, to pay attention to the history of scripture, i.e., this is a particular set of hermeneutics that comes out of Israel, Judah, 2,000 years ago, and in the preceding 1500 or 2,000 years.
00:45:48.000Like, we've got to pay attention to that.
00:45:54.000Why do these documents appear to have rhymes and geometry and image systems in them that do have a concordance with the physics that you started to outline just now?
00:46:10.000And why do ideas like the wave and the particle of light and the third mysterious participatory component of?
00:46:19.000Consciousness between the wave and the particle.
00:46:22.000Why is this triune relationship many times iterated?
00:46:33.000When you talked about the road, where is it that they encounter him in Luke after he's like the risen man that they don't recognize?
00:46:55.000And also, I struggle with the tension between the kind of not apologetics, but that kind of Christian discourse that's about, see, he is real.
00:47:07.000And what the resurrection could have been is a sort of an atomic explosion.
00:47:11.000You know, sooner or later, we're going to arrive at the precipice of what's comprehendable.
00:47:16.000And that's in a way where we have to live always.
00:47:19.000That seems to be part of the point of faith, is even though I can see this and measure this and experience this and Fear that and desire the other, where I'm going to live is in this difficult to determine invisible realm.
00:47:34.000When I was reading Romans and read Romans at the moment, and when it says his invisible qualities were evident from the beginning, his eternal power and his divine nature, that's been on my mind a lot.
00:47:48.000Now, what I am sort of wrestling with right now is a whole bunch of things.
00:47:55.000One, You know, we're supposed to be doing something, not nothing.
00:48:00.000We're supposed to be in relationship with Him.
00:48:02.000We're supposed to be making disciples.
00:48:04.000We're not supposed to be collapsing the vivacious way, the aliveness of the flow of living water into the kind of noun of names and institution.
00:48:15.000We're meant to keep it alive and keep it going.
00:48:18.000We don't allow it to become lukewarm, suggest that it's losing its fatality and its vibration.
00:48:28.000Vortex, Virgin, Vibration, all those dental labial fricatives need to stay high in the mix.
00:48:40.000And what I suppose I'm saying is it's so obvious to me that we are trapped in a political moment that's been echoing for a while.
00:48:51.000I recognize what Emmet Fox said when he claims that empires inevitably collapse.
00:48:59.000And tumble into dust, saving one human soul is a higher currency, a higher frequency, more value than all of the achievements of Rome or Egypt.
00:49:14.000But what I suppose I'm like returning to is if we are like, you know, you're, I know you're really cool, you know, I know you're not like on the front foot trying to do anything like, oh, if I do, you know, I know you're not oriented, it doesn't seem to me that you are, by like earthly pursuits or worldliness at all.
00:49:32.000But we have got something to do here, almost by ontological definition.
00:49:39.000I see that it's personal, and I see that you would be putting the cart before the horse if you were to focus primarily on the establishment of communities prior to you yourself being able to reliably maintain yourself in Christ.
00:49:54.000But he did send them out pretty early on.
00:50:00.000So I feel that we're meant to be active.
00:50:03.000The problem, the challenge I have with sometimes what I Feel that you're saying, though, like I've received it elsewhere as well, is that it could become very monastic.
00:50:14.000It could become, all right, well, I'll just go and sit in a cave then and meditate and do that thing where I get weird images and visions and the sub molecular honeycomb cross that's attached to the cosmic dashboard.
00:50:27.000That if I reach within it, I would be able to move mountains and pull continents and walk on water and maneuver the physical realm.
00:50:35.000But That doesn't seem like I'm supposed to be speaking.
00:51:15.000Obviously, you will have detected that our content now is primarily focused on building communities and changing the world, getting out of the circular and circuitous news, the endless. sadness and despair and hopelessness of various despots and various failings of this system.
00:51:32.000So we're trying to bring you guests that have insight into setting up new ways of thinking and living, both when it comes to your inner systems, spiritually, and outer systems, politically.
00:51:44.000Remember though, protest, activism and reporting on important events remain valuable.
00:51:52.000Here's Joe McCann at the recent Unite the Kingdom marches in the UK.
00:52:46.000So, what do you feel like is the main objective of this march today?
00:52:50.000Patriotism is just this idea that you want the best for your country.
00:52:54.000Now, there are different people that will express that in different ways.
00:52:56.000Of course, we're recently seeing the fraction on the right between ethno nationalism and civic nationalism.
00:53:01.000My view is if you are well intentioned, if you want the best for your country, If you genuinely believe that your position is justified and rational, you should be here.
00:53:31.000I heard you quoting St. Thomas Aquinas earlier in your last interview.
00:53:35.000No, so I'm Orthodox, but he was a Catholic.
00:53:37.000Interviewing people on whether it was a Catholic doctrine to have a deportations policy, and I started him because I read the Lumen Gentum when I was, not Lumen Gentum, I read his works when I was quite young, just briefly.
00:53:58.000So, what do you think is the church's stance on immigration?
00:54:01.000Especially, like, look, refugees, people fleeing from war torn countries.
00:54:05.000Surely, like, the Christian wings do is to welcome people in.
00:54:08.000I mean, obviously, there's got to be some sort of vetting process and whatnot.
00:54:11.000If you're not properly betting people, if you have a bloated social service, your demographics are being slowly replaced by other people, then that just means you can't express love to other countries because your country's in a poor state.
00:55:02.000Well, he's foolproof in terms of his position, but whether he'll actually be able to save himself away from this establishment here is a completely different question.
00:55:11.000Look, I love when celebrities and well known figures stand for the mayoral position.
00:55:17.000Whether they're able to get the votes, that's completely different.
00:55:19.000I mean, Lawrence Fox and Middleton want to throw his hat in the ring.
00:56:00.000Thank God we're all here today for an opportunity to unite the kingdom, to lift up Jesus Christ.
00:56:06.000I'm a minister, and that's the main reason I'm here, to share the good news.
00:56:11.000And the good news is that the whole world can know Jesus Christ.
00:56:15.000Because God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him would never perish but have everlasting life.
00:57:02.000It's quite offensive actually to sort of make us out like we're a bunch of hooligans.
00:57:05.000You know, there's every demographic in, you know, even Muslims here, you know, there's no hostility towards anyone.
00:57:12.000It's just that this is Great Britain and it's being hollowed out from the inside.
00:57:16.000Strange thing is, the more he's pushing back against it, the more people feel the resistance against that to come forward and come out and increase the numbers in the march.
00:57:25.000So he's having a good effect on the march.
00:58:39.000But we have a Prime Minister currently who's desperate to do things like that and to stop people telling the truth and the love of God to other people.
00:58:49.000You know, the message is pretty clear, it's pretty plain, and that's the truth of it.
00:58:54.000And you know what, in amongst all of this here, there's many Christian people who love God, who are representing here to say God is for our country.
00:59:32.000Let's have a look at his life and then let's look at the people he's been hanging out with and say, hmm, I think we've got a few questions.
01:00:11.000And it's that when you turn your life to Christ and you start to follow Christ, you can start to do things that change the world, change the country.