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00:02:35.000If you don't know who Jeffrey Sachs is, he's one of the first people that explained that the war between Ukraine and Russia had been, if not caused, certainly agitated by NATO infringement of former Soviet Union territories.
00:02:49.000He's a brilliant, brilliant thinker, a great teacher.
00:02:52.000He's one of those people that it's really hard for the establishment to discredit because when you listen to him, you think, well, you're just a perfectly reasonable person.
00:03:00.000It's like journalists like Tayibi and Schellenberger that I did that free speech event with last week which was, gratefully I acknowledge, was attended by Stella Assange.
00:03:09.000You realise that there are so many credible people now that are unwilling to put up with this elite establishment corruption that it can't be that everyone's suddenly turned into some mad right-wing conspiracy theorist.
00:03:21.000But if you're watching us on YouTube, Join us on Rumble and you will learn there for yourself that free speech is not the free speech to hate one another.
00:03:30.000We want free speech to attack the establishment and we will have to stop broadcasting on YouTube or Twitter or Twitch or Gut Bucket or Tickle Pickle or all of the main sites, all of them.
00:03:41.000We'll have to stop broadcasting on them because in a minute we're going to be talking about Chris Witte.
00:03:45.000He's our version of Fauci, although he's not allowed to accept money from pharmaceutical companies.
00:04:03.000Chris Wee, he's like, he organised our Covid response and he said that he was pressu... I mean, I've got to be careful how I say this, but he was the scientist determining the response and he said he would not have called... Kind of.
00:04:18.000He said scientists would not have called for lockdown.
00:04:21.000Scientists, he said, like Einstein, all of those guys would not have called for a lockdown.
00:05:12.000Anyway, we're going to be telling you about that coup.
00:05:13.000Do you reckon, though, before I get into it, do you think this is a convenient distraction from the failing Ukrainian counter-offensive where a thousand Ukrainians a day are dying, which is a great stain, again, on this terrible, terrible ongoing conflict that many people believe?
00:05:29.000And we'll be asking Jeffrey Sachs, who's an expert about this, Is this war being perpetuated simply because it's advantageous to imperialist interests, by which I mean the long-term state imperatives of the United States military-industrial complex, both politically and economically?
00:06:04.000I think it's... If they put an angle on it, like raising money, doing something good with it... It's a bit weird, billionaires having a fight to raise... And they've got so much money!
00:06:36.000He's already raised billions by out of his brain, him and them twins, played by Armie Hammer, and the other lad that was Spider-Man, come up with Facebook!
00:06:44.000Did they get, was that a CIA investment?
00:08:23.000Well, that won't work on anything except various horse parasites, which I don't imagine they've got.
00:08:28.000Weight difference, but it's an attitude when you're in the octagon.
00:08:31.000When you look at guys like Frank Mir, Dana White, when you look at all these guys, Tyrus, when they get in that octagon, when they get into that ring as boxers or as fighters, it's all about the attitude.
00:08:51.000There are certain contexts where you go, well this is the dominant male in this situation, but not in other situations.
00:08:57.000And Zuckerberg with Lex Friedman, he looked pretty good.
00:09:00.000Shout out to Lex there, he makes a fantastic podcast as we all know.
00:09:04.000But when they were rolling together, as you know, as you know Gal, I'm an experienced Brazilian Jiu Jitsu expert, so I'm one of the best ones.
00:09:12.000I think that's why you're on this rant now.
00:10:00.000If I was fighting Zuckerberg, like, I do roll in, I do BJJ, and I have to, like, even then sometimes I'm not in the right mood.
00:10:06.000I feel like, you know when you sort of feel like you've got a little bit of an upset stomach, I don't want someone to lean on me now and crack all the cartilage in my shoulder, or stop me breathing, or feel someone's stubble go all up my face, or have someone's, and I use this word politely, ball bag, like sort of down in my gullet.
00:10:31.000I did the first four UFCs where it's a 600-pounder, like we had a sumo wrestler, that was before there were rounds.
00:10:37.000He had to be knocked out or choked out to do it, so you could go watch them online.
00:10:41.000If I watched a 160-pound guy crush 250-pound guys, if you know jiu-jitsu, if Zuckerberg's really training and Elon Musk prides himself on not training at all, he'll last 45 seconds.
00:10:53.000Yeah, but Elon has a move that he calls the walrus.
00:10:56.000And so he just lies on top of his opponent and does nothing because he is larger in stature.
00:11:13.000Now, I'm going to offer you a bit of a Marxist dialectic now.
00:11:17.000Of course, the centralising of economic power to state authority, we know how that goes, and it ends up with Stalinism and Maoism and all of those things, so yeah.
00:11:26.000But he said that we will enter into a time where everything becomes like irony and pastiche and parody, that everything will lose its sincerity.
00:11:33.000And when you're seeing news stories about, we're going to dig up the Titanic now in a submarine, and billionaires are fighting one another, and like, But you can't have presidential debates.
00:12:00.000And I'm not saying that if it's wrong to promote LGBTQ plus stuff, then maybe you shouldn't have national emblems around poppies and things like that.
00:13:50.000I'm not saying he's very necessary for the discourse right now, because we need to have some radical views brought to the centre, and LRFK is trying to do that.
00:15:14.000The question I want to put to you, and really tell me if you're watching us on YouTube right now, join us on Rumble, because in a minute, we're going to be talking about the pandemic response in the UK.
00:15:22.000We're going to be talking to Jeffrey Sachs about matters in Russia and whether or not this coup is part of a
00:15:25.000distraction to distract us Specifically from the Ukrainian counteroffensive which by
00:15:30.000all accounts ain't going bad And there's a NATO conference coming up where they're not
00:15:33.000going to want to sit around going Oh, no, our ideas are terrible. It'd be much better to
00:15:36.000discuss. Oh, look, there's a destabilized Russia Putin's facing public dissent. Is it a distraction?
00:15:42.000Tell us jump over there press the red button if you're watching us on rumble
00:15:45.000But I want to offer you this bit of analysis We're not here just to give you anti-establishment information.
00:15:51.000We're also here to let you know that as a man who believes in God, I believe that there are deep ulterior forces that are present in everyday life, sometimes in ways that are inexplicable to us, difficult to understand, What is our ongoing fascination with the story of the Titanic, a vessel that was constructed at a similarly hubristic time, where titans of industry defined their age as the titans of the current day do now, where the Titanic was literally named the unsinkable before its consummation with that iceberg?
00:16:23.000What lays down there now, those jewels scattered, those broken mirrors, What is our ongoing fascination with a vessel that we know, mostly from the film, had super rich people that got better access to the lifeboats and a poorer class of people who, if the film's to be believed, were having a fantastic time down there, dancing away in steerage with Leonardo DiCaprio?
00:16:45.000When the culture has a fascination with something, it means that I believe that there's information and energy in it.
00:17:16.000Could we similarly be at a point of global conflagration?
00:17:20.000Could the advent of emergent AI be this precipitating event that we're being confronted with and confronted by?
00:17:28.000Does the Titanic hold this fascination for us?
00:17:30.000Because we know deep, deep down in our belly, deep, deep down in our bones, deep, deep down is where the secrets are, where the mystery is.
00:17:40.000And why is it that this place is only accessible to elites?
00:17:43.000What are the stories we're being told?
00:17:45.000Why is it only Jeff Bezos can go to space?
00:18:01.000He's talking about this like he invented the Titanic and forgotten that the Titanic actually wasn't a very good boat after all, because it just fell apart the first sign of a bloody iceberg.
00:18:09.000Well, I've been down there many times.
00:18:11.000I know the wreck site very well, as does my friend Bob Ballard.
00:18:35.000Um, and of course, uh, you know, as a submersible designer myself, I designed and built a sub to go to the deepest place in the ocean, three times deeper than Titanic.
00:18:45.000You know, he's actually almost laughing in their face.
00:18:49.000I actually regularly go to the ocean floor and I've never found, I've never imploded.
00:18:56.000So I understand the engineering problems associated with building this type of vehicle and all the safety protocols.
00:19:04.000They should have come to me. Should have come to me. I would have told them I had to build them a better submarine.
00:19:09.000I'm only mucking about with James Cameron of course, you know, and all of that.
00:19:12.000But, uh, sort of weird approach to the interview.
00:19:15.000Yeah, I mean, the whole thing with this at the moment is crazy.
00:19:18.000Isn't it like, obviously the media coverage, you can understand why people are saying this is a distraction
00:19:21.000because the media coverage is everywhere.
00:19:23.000In the same way the media coverage is everywhere when, for example, Jeff Bezos goes to space.
00:19:28.000It's the same thing, it's wall to wall.
00:19:31.000They're very obviously incredibly supportive of billionaires and these explorations where at a time when the wealth transfer goes on you can understand why there's a kind of public outcry and anger of billionaires hoovering up all our money and then using it to go off on these explorations.
00:19:48.000Because what it suggests is that billionaires are intrepid and better than us, and they're doing all these expeditions into previously unforeseen economic territories and geographical territories.
00:20:00.000They deserve their wealth, is the underlying information.
00:21:32.000How do they have the stones, the minerals, the balls to come out and criticise state media in Russia?
00:21:39.000Of course Russia has a propagandist media, of course they do.
00:21:43.000But, as your man Trump used to say, would you think we're any better?
00:21:47.000And his soldiers, as they leave the city of Rostov-on-Don.
00:21:52.000Their mutiny bringing the country to the brink of chaos less than 24 hours ago, when Yevgeny Pugoshin, the leader of the Wagner Group, led a march to Moscow.
00:22:01.000are a privately funded army that are currently in dispute of Putin because he
00:22:06.000believed they should be corralled into the main Russian war effort. What we're
00:22:10.000interested in and let me know if you share our interest in the chat in the
00:22:14.000comments if you're watching us on YouTube join us over on Rumble now if
00:22:17.000you're on Rumble press the red button and join us on locals because I want to
00:22:20.000know do you believe that NATO communicated with and collaborated with
00:22:24.000our man over there Pregorshinov or whatever he's called sorry for being
00:22:27.000disrespectful about people with non-western sounding, normal sounding, by my rubric, names.
00:22:34.000Do you think that? And do you think that the media are reporting on this in a biased manner?
00:22:38.000And do you think it's important that there's a NATO conference coming up that would otherwise
00:22:42.000have been dominated by the failure of the Ukrainian counter offensive, where now they
00:22:46.000can focus on the lack of stability within Russia? I've got an on-screen expert who can
00:22:51.000answer some of those questions. Definitely not an expert.
00:22:54.000Oh no, you're an assistant, I'm gonna change your credit.
00:22:57.000If only we had someone here that worked on the team that could whip up graphics in an instant, reliably.
00:23:14.000With this, I think the thing with this is obviously what the media in the US is saying is that, you know, this isn't being covered responsibly in Russia.
00:23:23.000But this feels, from everything that we're kind of reading about this today, like in a sense it's a kind of self-contained matter.
00:23:30.000Putin and Prigozhin are two sides of the same coin.
00:23:33.000They're both kind of warlords to an extent, committing illegal things.
00:23:40.000And there was lots of disputes that the funding was going to be cut for the Wagner group, that he was refusing to accept Putin's demand that Wagner be placed under the control of the army leadership.
00:23:50.000So there was disputes going on for a long time and what has kind of been surmised is this coup was in order to pre-empt actions against him.
00:23:58.000So I guess you could argue this was kind of a self-contained situation that doesn't necessarily pertain to the wider context of this war.
00:24:07.000It says in some content that we will be bringing you in more detail later in the week.
00:24:12.000For decades, Prigozhin and Putin were close allies until recently the Wagner Group, which originated within the Russian military intelligence GRU, enjoyed the evident patronage of Putin and other powerful forces within the state apparatus.
00:24:23.000Prygogin, a fascistic warlord, billionaire and convicted criminal, represents a substantial
00:24:29.000faction of the Russian oligarchy that opposes the war solely because Putin's effort to protect
00:24:33.000the capitalist classes and the state's privileged access to the country's vast resources has
00:24:38.000So if you see this story framed in a way that's favourable just because it happens to be an
00:24:44.000anti-Putin narrative, then you should know that Prygogin ain't no hero.
00:24:49.000He seems like a member of the same class, ultimately.
00:24:53.000What is interesting, I believe, is the fact that he gave NATO that shout out before doing it, that that NATO conference is coming up, that the Ukraine encounter offensive doesn't appear to be going well.
00:25:01.000These are all questions we'll be following up with Jeffrey Sachs in a moment.
00:25:07.000He's a man who was spitting truths and got given the old heave-ho.
00:25:10.000Before we leave YouTube, let's have a look at that moment where Jeffrey Sachs made his bones, where we knew that Jeffrey Sachs was a truth teller because he was getting shut down by the mainstream media for spitting truths.
00:25:21.000Let's have a look at the expression that he famously gave in gif form, or the other one.
00:26:08.000I don't mean a person who accepted royalties from pharmaceutical companies, nor was he involved in previous pandemics in ways that were less than favourable, baby!
00:26:17.000But a man who, nevertheless, Chris Whitty, who's doing his level best to organise the response in this country to the pandemic, says that there was... Look, these are my words, not his, and this is allegedly... Allegedly!
00:26:29.000Political meddling that led to lockdown and it wasn't scientifically arrived at.
00:26:34.000That therefore means it was a political decision and it was always, always defined as scientific.
00:26:39.000This while simultaneously elsewhere is being claimed that some of the distancing laws were arbitrary.
00:26:46.000That was Scott Godley at the end of 2021 who said that.
00:26:49.000These are the kind of stories we can bring you on Rumble, but we can't bring you in a space that the WHO have got their sticky little fingers in.
00:26:55.000So if you are watching us on YouTube, take this opportunity right now to join us by clicking the link in the description.
00:27:11.000Now, those of you that are with us on Rumble already, firstly, I remember when Chris Whitty, like, because what's weird about our celebrity age, and this is a bit like the Zuckerberg and Musk fight, see if you can find the footage of this, guys.
00:27:22.000During the pandemic, like, some lads, like British lads, saw him in a park and they gave him such a dreadful jostling.
00:27:29.000Like, as you can see from Chris Whitty now, look at him as a PHA.
00:27:31.000He's not a person who's going to respond well to a jostling.
00:27:34.000Like, even if you disagree with people, and I'm sure, given, you know, it's pretty obvious where I stand on the pandemic, I'm, when it comes to regulation, I like to be in charge of what I do myself, generally speaking, regulate myself, trust my own connection to God, to be the arbiter of my moral and ethic conduct, and please God, I won't fall short.
00:27:51.000I don't like being told what to do, basically.
00:28:00.000Where he became a celebrity during lockdown, because they're always cropping up on the telly in front of a flag behind a podium telling us when we go out the house and wear a mask and all that stuff.
00:28:07.000Some boys, like, recognised him in a park and they treated him like he was off American Gladiator or like off of a Kellogg's commercial.
00:28:14.000They jostled him about something chronic.
00:28:15.000It was a bit like when Gaddafi got thrown about in the back of that van.
00:28:18.000See if you can find the footage of that.
00:28:22.000Looking back now, unfairly, due to the fact that what we're understanding through this COVID inquiry that's going on at the moment is that it was the politicians that were stepping in and making the decisions.
00:28:31.000And one of the points that Chris Whitty is suggesting here is that scientists wouldn't have suggested lockdowns, that there wasn't a real precedent for it.
00:28:38.000I think there's this one place where he talks, yeah, lockdown would not have worked against many previous outbreaks or pandemics such as HIV, swine flu, plague and cholera but
00:28:47.000was adopted around the world as countries struggled to stop COVID. So what he was
00:28:50.000saying is that there kind of wasn't precedent for this. This was something that
00:28:53.000I think China did initially and scientists wouldn't have suggested this to
00:28:57.000politicians and he says that the only way this could have come about is
00:29:10.000And the people that had questions and inquiries and doubts, let me know if you were one of the people that during the pandemic you felt like, hang on a minute, this doesn't seem right to me.
00:30:40.000Remember a minute ago, I was just joking about when Chris Wheatley got jostled about by some lads in a, like, I don't know, out and about somewhere in London, I presume.
00:30:47.000I feel these lads actually got prosecuted for it and maybe got convicted, so I'm certainly not making light of criminal activity, but actually it is quite...
00:30:58.000I mean, look, I think this is a guy who was obviously under the thumb of Boris Johnson and the government at the time who were making all the decisions.
00:33:12.000I guess the issue with this now is that we're looking back amidst all the revelations of how negative lockdowns were.
00:33:19.000It's not that we're looking back and going, politicians did this despite what the scientists were telling them and everything worked out great.
00:33:59.000He became the latest senior figure, the latest to admit that the UK had a long-standing bias in favour of influenza when it came to pandemic planning and admitted there should be a separate plan for other types of viruses.
00:34:10.000What were the criteria that led us to that situation?
00:34:13.000Because I suppose Conspiracy theorists, let's just accept that term.
00:34:17.000Conspiracy theorists say, oh, they made decisions every step of the way that were advantageous to elite interests.
00:34:22.000The ability to regulate, legislate, and lock down.
00:35:06.000It's the set of relationships and alliances that are problematic.
00:35:09.000I don't believe in some sort of occultist interest, although, you know, we'll investigate it one day.
00:35:14.000What I believe in is the idea that there is a convergence of economic and political interests that creates a kind of irresistible Magnetism in a particular direction.
00:35:24.000Let me know what you think, guys, because I know you've got some wonderful opinions.
00:35:28.000Listen, there's no point listening to the pontifications of a gadfly and a dilettante, when on the line now, we have got renowned economist and professor at Columbia University, a man whose facial expressions are straight out of Kabuki, it's Jeffrey Sachs!
00:36:02.000I'm in the Vatican, so you were hearing the real echo.
00:36:05.000You're really helping with those conspiracy theories.
00:36:10.000Live from the Vatican, it's the Da Vinci Code with Jeffrey Sachs.
00:36:15.000But Russell, I have to tell you, before we get to Purgosian, you know, the other thing to think about with the pandemic is there is really serious, legitimate reason to think this came out of a lab funded by the US government.
00:36:35.000That's actually completely substantive, and that's what I would like to know.
00:36:41.000And that's what they're not telling us at all about.
00:36:44.000And they know a lot more about that than they have told us.
00:36:48.000And I know a lot about it, enough to know how much they've lied.
00:36:52.000So that's pretty interesting also, because we spent the last three years in an epidemic that may well have been caused by deliberate manipulation of a SARS-like virus on NIH contracts.
00:37:13.000Certainly a lot of people in our chat over on Locals, press the red button if you want to join us there now, completely agree with your analysis, which I know is an analysis arrived at over a long period of time.
00:37:25.000Just quickly, Geoffrey, before we move on to Purgosian and whether or not this is a false flag event, this brief coup over in Russia in order to distract people from the Ukrainian counter-offensive and its potential failure, can we just determine that If it is established that this was a lab leak that was brought about due to a lack of due diligence and perhaps because of irresponsible gain-of-function research that involved American financial interests, how does that change our response to the events of the last three years?
00:37:58.000What specifically does it mean we should be pursuing that would be impossible if a natural origin theory were accepted?
00:38:05.000Well, the starting point is that it would mean we have a U.S.
00:38:09.000government that is absolutely reckless, out of control, lying at every turn, and dangerous to the world.
00:38:22.000And if it happened, we sure better know, because the U.S.
00:38:26.000is continuing to do lots of research Probably all over the world of a very dangerous kind, and it would be nice if someone would tell the truth and someone would look at some actual documents and facts.
00:38:43.000Just a couple days ago, the intelligence agencies released another report.
00:38:56.000It's bull, and it's disgusting, after all this time.
00:39:00.000Given all the lies that they have said, it's absolutely disgusting.
00:39:05.000So, I really would like to know, because if the US recklessly not only endangered the world, but led to a virus that killed 20 million people, And has lied about it, denied it, and most likely is continuing this kind of research, I sure would like to know.
00:39:28.000Well, Geoffrey, if your line of inquiry is correct, then you should be canonised yourself.
00:39:33.000But if it's incorrect, I think you should go straight to a confessional and get yourself cleansed, perhaps by the Holy Father himself, given that you're live from the Vatican.
00:39:41.000Now, thank you for giving us such conclusive and explosive analysis on the events of the last three years and the implications of it being indeed a lab leak origin scenario.
00:39:53.000Can you tell us how we, sorry Geoffrey, we've got your mic muted while you're hollering in the Vatican.
00:39:59.000Would you tell us about how we should understand the recent news of the failed mutiny of Prigoshin over there in Russia and how it's being reported on by the mainstream media?
00:40:12.000Is this a self-contained issue and do you think this is a false flag event to distract us from the failing Ukrainian counter-offensive?
00:40:20.000How does this sit into the whole Russia-Ukraine narrative, sir?
00:40:23.000Look, I think the one thing we know is how it's being used by the U.S.
00:40:29.000and the U.K., and it's being used to prolong and expand the war.
00:40:35.000Because we have a war machine in the United States.
00:40:39.000I don't really know which generals are running the show right now.
00:40:43.000I don't think it's Biden, but we have a war machine that wants an expanded war with Russia.
00:40:49.000So whatever is the actual story here, and we don't know about multiple possible outcomes, what the media are reporting is no questions, Other than saying you see Putin is at the end and now we can basically the implication is just we continue and we destroy Russia.
00:41:13.000So you see it in every mainstream Newspaper in the UK and the US.
00:42:08.000Because we have pushed into an incredibly disastrous war, first and foremost disastrous for Ukraine, because the Ukrainians that are dying, We provoked the war.
00:42:22.000We refused to negotiate over the core issues, mainly NATO enlargement.
00:42:28.000And we have a media that is so driven for more war.
00:42:35.000And utterly without the idea of asking a single question, just like the questions you're asking.
00:42:41.000They're not even raised in our newspapers.
00:42:45.000But this has been like this all along.
00:42:50.000So whether this is a godsend that now we can say we should have more war because we're about to defeat Russia, whether this is actually CIA played a role in this?
00:43:07.000Somebody should actually explain some of these things.
00:43:10.000Whatever it is, what they want is war.
00:43:14.000The point you make, by the way, is an extremely important one, which is the so-called Ukrainian counteroffensive is killing Thousands and thousands of Ukrainian young men who have been pulled off the streets, put in front of Russian helicopter gunships, put in front of Russian artillery, are dying by the hundreds or thousands per day.
00:44:23.000You can't get A single thought, a single idea in the New York Times anymore that says, hmm, maybe what the government's telling us isn't exactly a hundred thousand percent the truth.
00:45:17.000I think, Geoffrey, after we finish our conversation, you should have a look at the dome of St Peter's.
00:45:22.000I think you want to have a little glance at the Sistine Chapel ceiling and take in a couple of Caravaggios to unwind, because it seems like you need it.
00:45:30.000Now, we live in a bewildering and beguiling media space.
00:45:34.000We live in a landscape where we're offered cage fights between prominent billionaires like Zuckerberg and Elon Musk.
00:45:41.000A sense of mad, demented carnival descends.
00:45:45.000As you say, Legitimate legacy media spaces seem incapable or unwilling to ask the pertinent and necessary questions when we find ourselves on the advent of a potential crisis of previously unseen proportions.
00:46:01.000An ambition to carve up Russia is a bold one indeed.
00:46:06.000To embark on a secondary campaign agitating for war with China seems Outrageous!
00:46:13.000To have a political sphere devoid and divorced from debate, open conversation, where reasonable, rational figures like RFK that offer anti-establishment perspectives and diplomatic solutions...
00:46:29.000...are regarded by the mainstream as hysterical pariahs who cannot be engaged with, with the liminal space in which discourse can take place ever shrinking.
00:46:40.000These people are too far to the right.
00:46:43.000The role of independent media is clear, that it's necessary and important that we ask these questions, that we have to behave responsibly, that we have to have one eye on what's beyond simply reporting and move towards Activism and campaigning and participating in this conversation in perhaps more political ways.
00:47:04.000When you see us move from a state of crisis around the pandemic, around which it seems that we were lied to extensively, into a geopolitical crisis like the current one where we are continuing to be lied, where it seems evident and obvious that behind these events are sets of interests that can be observed, diagnosed and tracked.
00:47:25.000At what point does this begin to coalesce around a political movement?
00:47:29.000And do you feel that, given that the systems we live within, electoral, political and financial, delivered us into this state, how likely is it, even with the candidacy of a figure like RFK, who's joined us here on Rumble, both as a guest and now as a contributor, how likely is it that this system will allow him to make a reasonable impact?
00:49:45.000Never discussed in our media the fact that there was a draft agreement put on the table.
00:49:50.000Then, in March 2022, we know it now because of an interesting point, There was nearly a signed agreement between Russia and Ukraine to end the war, and the United States stopped it.
00:50:07.000And Naftali Bennett, who was Prime Minister of Israel and an informal mediator then, when You know, he has a long interview where he describes at the last moment the United States came in and stopped it.
00:51:53.000Every day I want to cancel my New York Times subscription, but if I could cancel a hundred of them, I would.
00:52:00.000It's just so painful to see the stupidity of it right now.
00:52:05.000It's exciting to be able to speak to somebody with you with such evident integrity.
00:52:09.000It was exciting to spend time recently with Michael Schellenberger and Matt Taibbi at an event designed to address the emergence of the censorship industrial complex and the need to confront it and organize a movement around it.
00:52:22.000I'm always astonished when I speak to Michael and Matt that journalists that you know literally in the case of Matt did work for the Rolling Stone and certainly a few years ago These would have been the kind of legacy media journalists that were prized in the sort of Woodward-Bernstein tradition.
00:52:37.000Investigative journalists that care about facts, that are voracious, that offer you information and allow you to reach your own conclusions, that see it as their job to interrogate power.
00:52:47.000You can make the same point about Chris Hedges, you can make the same point about Glenn Greenwald, that journalists with integrity are a problem now that have to be smeared, extracted and destroyed.
00:52:57.000And only journalists that, as you say, convey unequivocal propaganda without inquiry are safe to be housed within mainstream media outlets.
00:53:07.000When it comes to the matter of the war, it's plain that they only platform pundits, not Not only, but frequently, platform pundits with ties to the military-industrial complex.
00:53:19.000In the case, for example, of CNN, they are ultimately owned by Comcast, that have interests in weapons manufacture through General Electric.
00:53:29.000And even when it's not so palpably true, there is the kind of Compliance that comes when interests converge at such magnitude.
00:53:37.000That's why I'm always grateful to hear from you, Jeffrey, and to bask in the rigor of your intellect.
00:54:11.000That's where you'll find his fantastic work and you'll learn that you have legitimate, authentic voices that are anti-establishment and plainly undergirded with a great deal of knowledge and experience.
00:54:21.000This is not Rumble, home of the crackpot and the nutcase, in spite of my physical appearance and sometimes even Gareth's baleful demeanour.
00:54:30.000As he looks off into the middle distance.
00:54:38.000And I think the point there, and we spoke about it last week with regard to China, I think it was Jens Stoltenberg of NATO literally said last week, Uh, the Russia have to lose to send a message for us to send a message to China.
00:57:57.000Barack Obama was seen as a great hope for many people, someone that could genuinely change the political conversation, that was a brilliant speaker and a charismatic man.
00:58:06.000Of course the 2008 bank bailout smeared that reputation somewhat, as did the droning of Syrian children.
00:58:13.000But now that he's not present, now that he's an elder statesman advocating for Joe Biden, That guy, let me know in the comments what you think of him.
00:58:20.000It's disappointing, isn't it, to learn that a legal tax evading strategy that he railed against while president is being exploited now, probably because he's actually so poor and he's, oh no, he's a multimillionaire, isn't he?
01:00:09.000We can use that money to help more families pay for childcare and send their kids to college.
01:00:14.000We need a tax code that truly helps working Americans trying to get a leg up in the new economy.
01:00:19.000I mean, everything he's saying, that's all sort of fantastic, but it might as well be theatre.
01:00:22.000When you look at it, actually, it is theatre, isn't it?
01:00:24.000People standing up and clapping the flag, hanging up their career politicians just sat around.
01:00:29.000Everyone's saying the stuff that they know they're supposed to say.
01:00:31.000Everyone knowing that they're not going to actually do anything about it.
01:00:33.000It's become more and more meta, because in that one, Barack Obama's actually defining the situation.
01:00:38.000I mean, you know, I'm sick and tired of, like, presidents saying this stuff, and then when they retire from office, going on to exploit those loopholes and give speeches where they earn millions of dollars.
01:00:48.000Because of the way the world is now, you sort of can see it all happen in real time.
01:00:52.000I sometimes think that the reason we've got this mad old Joe Biden version of the president now is that no one can be bothered to even emotionally invest in, oh, there's a woman one, oh, there's one that's a different colour, oh, it's like...
01:01:04.000Just give us an old white one that's totally full of shit and just bring out another one in four years.
01:01:44.000Barack Obama campaigned extensively during his presidency to eliminate the carried interest loophole, a tax strategy that allows billionaire investors to evade ordinary income taxes.
01:01:59.000Hedge funds and other private fund managers use this tax treatment to pay long-term capital gains of 20%, a rate that is almost half of what many working Americans pay.
01:02:07.000Obama, while in office, said this loophole leads to folks who are doing very well paying lower rates than their secretaries.
01:02:13.000However, since leaving the presidency, Obama has employed a similar tax strategy to potentially only pay capital gains tax for the services he's provided to private business interests.
01:02:22.000One example of this is Obama's strategic partnership with NBA Africa, which was announced in 2021 as part of an expansion of Africa's largest men's basketball league.
01:02:32.000The deal is structured as a profit interest share.
01:02:35.000Now, what this is, is ordinary business practice.
01:02:40.000What this exposes is that the rhetoric while in office is absolutely empty and hollow.
01:02:47.000It's not particularly egregious that Barack Obama is doing this.
01:03:07.000It's just something that people are saying.
01:03:08.000If you were able to have said to young Barack Obama that, look, are you sure about this?
01:03:12.000Because when you leave you're going to be like a businessman.
01:03:14.000You're going to actually need this stuff.
01:03:15.000He's like, well, I don't think I need to worry because this stuff will never actually happen.
01:03:18.000So what you are left with is the incontrovertible conclusion That politics is a media spectacle.
01:03:25.000It's not actually going to do anything.
01:03:27.000And that is the main message we're trying to transmit to you.
01:03:30.000That is not the way to improve your life.
01:03:33.000Participating in it, by voting on it, talking about it, preferring one of them over another one, hoping that this one will do better than that one.
01:03:39.000Look, you can see behind that one, talking then, is the one that you've got now.
01:03:47.000Now, we have to find ourselves not using profitable tax loopholes because we just can't afford the accountants.
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01:04:07.000Wars, pandemics, lies, trickery, my cats keep having kittens, the last one's personal.
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01:05:08.000The favorable tax treatment of money earned through a profit interest arrangement resembles
01:05:13.000the carried interest loophole which hedge funds and private equity executives used to pay a capital
01:05:18.000gains tax rate on multi-million dollar compensation packages that is often
01:05:22.000lower than the rate paid by middle class workers earning salaries.
01:05:25.000How outrageous that people can be persuaded to spend their time criticising and condemning other people in the same economic class as them in favour of lobbying for, ideologically at least, the interests of elites on either party who ultimately, as we have now seen, will do nothing, nothing, nothing, because I don't think Trump did anything about this, either close the loopholes that they benefit from when their allegiance to their economic class is resumed after their brief theatrical turn as president.
01:05:53.000Obama pushed multiple times during his presidency to eliminate the carried interest loophole, which he condemned as a giveaway to the super-rich.
01:06:03.000Closing the carried interest loophole so that fund managers' earnings would be taxed as ordinary income was a prominent feature in Obama's budget request to Congress, as well as during public speeches and his re-election campaign.
01:06:13.000I think that's what's significant, is rhetorically, it's effective.
01:06:20.000In 2012, Obama even ran television advertisements criticizing Mitt Romney for his use of the carried interest tax provision during Romney's career as a private equity executive.
01:06:29.000In the ad, the narrator claimed Romney used every trick in the book.
01:06:43.000Do you want to give them your money so they can go bomb some foreign land or do deals with medical healthcare providers that'll rip you off or weapons manufacturers?
01:06:52.000The morality around tax for me is out the window.
01:06:55.000I would like to pay tax directly to the community that I live in, to elective concerns and interests that you, through consensus, determine and vote on and allocate your taxes to.
01:07:06.000I don't trust them to decide it anymore.
01:07:08.000This is what happens when your government is completely bereft of all authority.
01:07:11.000Say in our country, oh, well, what about nurses?
01:07:19.000Anyone that you'll trot out during a pandemic to say, hey, come Man, these people are heroes.
01:07:24.000When it comes to it, when it comes to paying them, you'd rather use the money to buy up your private data, to funnel into Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, to funnel into Big Pharma, to give themselves bonuses.
01:07:34.000You know how this stuff operates now, so there's no morality around taxes anymore.
01:07:38.000Asked whether the business arrangement violated the principles Obama professed to support as president, a spokesperson for Obama's office declined to comment.
01:07:46.000Because the answer is, yes, of course it does.
01:07:48.000But those principles were meaningless because it was just a performance.
01:07:51.000Over the last seven years, the Obamas have accumulated a vast fortune through glitzy content production deals with Spotify, Netflix and Amazon.
01:07:58.000Book sales and speaking fees to banks and trade groups have also generated millions of dollars.
01:08:03.000Obama's newfound personal fortune has vaulted him into the upper echelons of American wealth.
01:08:07.000The Obama family is reportedly building several houses on a plot of beachfront Hawaiian property purchased by close friend Marty Nesbitt, the chief executive of Vistria Group, a Chicago-based private equity firm.
01:08:18.000Then, can you spend any time engaging in the discourse about the differences between the various figures that occupy these apparent political movements?
01:08:27.000It's simply sort of a theatre troupe just casting, really.
01:08:35.000Then afterwards, he'll do what they always do.
01:08:37.000No one has got the tenacity, the personal moral fortitude to sort of step outside of it and operate with any conviction.
01:08:47.000And I feel that the system itself doesn't really afford it.
01:08:51.000That people are being filtered out, that relationships are being formed, people are getting funded by such nefarious individuals and such terrible institutions, that by the end of it, as you know, the phrase that Trump used, the swamp, the swamp has engulfed everybody.
01:09:04.000And indeed, the draining of the swamp is precisely what's been required, or just leave the swamp and go somewhere else.
01:09:10.000When he first ran for presidency, Obama struck a populist tone, promising to close the revolving door in Washington of special interests and lobbyists and end unfair trade practices with China and hold business leaders accountable.
01:09:23.000Obama's presidency turned out to be a disappointment to many progressives who were frustrated by, among other things, his support for expanded international free trade deals after campaigning on renegotiating them.
01:09:32.000A bit like when Joe Biden said, make Saudi Arabia a pariah and then...
01:09:36.000And make them in fact the pariah that they are.
01:09:39.000And make them in fact the pariah that they are.
01:09:45.000And his administration's refusal to criminally prosecute major banks responsible for the
01:10:01.000Because there's a clear and obvious relationship between this new censorship industrial complex and the interests of the powerful.
01:10:08.000As long as they can maintain control over independent media, as long as they can ensure that mainstream media carries messaging that is beneficial to their agenda, they don't ever have to alter the unequal, unfair, corrupt systems that they build, participate in and exploit, even when rhetorically pretending that they oppose them.
01:10:29.000So when you have independent media like us Where we're willing to talk about these problems, convey this information, query whether or not former presidents should be operating in that way, and what it reveals when they are, can be shut down!
01:10:42.000And the participants in projects such as these are smeared.
01:10:44.000That was the topic of Obama's speech at Stanford University in 2022.
01:10:49.000I want to speak about disinformation, because that's the only thing I can speak about now, because I'm so rich that anything else I mention is gonna seem like hypocrisy.
01:10:56.000As well as the focus of the Obama Foundation's inaugural Democracy Forum summit last November, Obama made no mention of the carried interest loophole or any tax justice issues during either public address.
01:11:07.000So, when he was in a position where he could've but didn't do anything about it, he spoke about it, now he's in a position to exploit it, he doesn't mention it.
01:11:15.000So, I don't know, is that less hypocritical or...?
01:11:17.000The carried interest loophole has remained vexing for multiple administrations.
01:11:21.000On at least one occasion, former President Donald Trump rallied against the loophole on the campaign trail, but he never invested significant energy in eliminating it.
01:11:28.000Sparing it in his far-reaching tax cut legislation in 2017 and creating a new path for high-income earners to avoid top income tax rates.
01:11:36.000President Joe Biden similarly promised to end the special tax treatment, but failed after fierce lobbying from the investment fund industry.
01:11:43.000Last year, as congressional negotiators hashed out the final stages of the Inflation Reduction Act, the loophole's closure appeared imminent.
01:11:50.000But last minute lobbying blitz from the American Investment Council, which represents leading private equity and hedge funds, along with the pressure from the real estate industry, convinced Senator Kristen Sinema of Arizona, an independent who identified as a Democrat at the time, to kill the measure.
01:12:11.000In the end, Biden signed the legislation without any change to the carried interest tax rule.
01:12:16.000Here is another story that shows us the necessity of remaining mentally frugal, objective, ...and clear-headed when it comes to dealing with political disinformation.
01:12:27.000Barack Obama, while in office, publicly spoke about this issue all the time, campaigned on that basis, passionately received standing ovations, while wowing the American nation on the topic.
01:12:38.000But Barack Obama now, as of today, uses that legal tax loophole in order to profit while talking about, curiously, disinformation, misinformation, malinformation, which I believe are new categories that have been created to shut down dissent and to prevent Issues like this one being publicly discussed so that the whole system can continue to maintain itself because the system's not going to destroy itself from within itself.