Bill Maher and Charlie Kirk discuss Building 7, 9/11, and the rise of the neo-Christian religion in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, and how it intersects with conspiracy theories about the events of September 11th, 2001.
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00:02:55.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think when we talk about Building 7 and conspiracies more generally and the resurgent, re-emergent Christianity as discussed by Charlie Kirk and Bill Maher.
00:03:05.000It's going to be a brilliant show today.
00:03:24.000Once you have Bobby Kennedy, excuse me, once you have someone like Bobby Kennedy taken from the very periphery and the margins and placed at the centre of political power, all bets are off.
00:03:34.000But did you ever think you would hear 9/11 discussed like this?
00:04:26.000While we see our friend Bernie Johnson talking to Senator Ron Johnson, just a couple of Johnsons enjoying their lives and having a chat, about Building 7. Building 7 remains significant, of course, because, you know, the North Tower got hit by a plane,
00:04:42.000the South Tower got hit by a plane, and then this tower...
00:04:45.000Out of sheer sympathy, in a Towers Lives Matter way, just it blew itself up out of solidarity.
00:04:51.000Solidarity! What would you like to know about September 11th, the official story there, Senator?
00:04:56.000Always struck by Benny Johnson and how handsome and clean he is.
00:04:59.000Every time I see him, I think, if I was gay, I'd be gay with Benny Johnson.
00:05:04.000With Ron Johnson, I think, why are you doing this interview next to where you hang your coats up in the foyer?
00:05:12.000Well, let's start with Building 7. Again, I don't know that you can find structural engineers other than the ones that have the corrupt investigation inside NIST that would say that that thing didn't come down in any other way than a controlled demolition.
00:05:25.000Weird, isn't it, that we're talking about?
00:05:27.000Controlled demolitions, grassy nulls, conspiracy theorist words, spike protein, all these words that were once the nomenclature of the mentally ill are now entering into the realm of legislature.
00:06:00.000All of the institutions that we trust, if you were to investigate and interrogate them, you will find that they are laced together, threaded through with total deception and corruption.
00:06:33.000We found out that where they were leading us is to the very jaws of death and into incredible profits for Pfizer and Moderna.
00:06:40.000All of those voices that were lauded and those figures that were heralded and held up as examples were deceiving us and lying to us.
00:06:48.000The very reasons that you would intuit.
00:06:50.000This grants the state greater ability to regulate, Big Pharma the opportunity to profit, Big Tech and the state the opportunity to surveil and censor, as well as the more generalised advantage of a docile, subjugated and compliant global population that can be controlled and exploited by elites.
00:07:09.000All of that was revealed, and if you tried to have that conversation, you were like people who, way back in 2001, 2002, were saying, does steel melt at that temperature?
00:07:18.000And people were going, oh, what are you then?
00:07:36.000Who do I have to be to be entitled to participate in the kingdom?
00:07:40.000It turns out that it's not by my merit or your merit or anyone's merit, but by the sacrifice of Christ Jesus that all of us enter into this conversation.
00:07:48.000And when you accept that you are loved and you are forgiven and you are powerful, you are not so easy to push around.
00:07:55.000If you're willing to die for what you believe in and accept that that's going to happen anyway, you are going to die.
00:09:22.000It's interesting, isn't it, that there are, in fact, people in the Senate and people in Congress that are interested in discovering the truth, but institutionally, the imploding energy...
00:09:31.000The way it seems to me that legislators and people involved in making laws get controlled is through the personal appetites.
00:09:39.000The same way you control people in Hollywood.
00:09:40.000The same way you control people anywhere.
00:09:42.000If you can stimulate enough pleasure in people or enough fear in people, they're absolutely malleable.
00:09:47.000But when your fear is heightened, you can't think straight.
00:09:50.000When your desire is overwhelming, you can't think straight.
00:09:53.000What we experience in extremis in the culture is generalised across it.
00:09:58.000We may not have been to Epstein Island or bombed about on Epstein's private jets, but all of us are compromised in shame by a culture that stimulates us
00:10:07.000If you eat a bunch of bad food, a stinking petroleum-dyed fodder, how do you feel afterwards?
00:10:18.000I know how you feel before it, because I know how you feel when you're going to get a little bowl of cereal and ice-cold milk around it.
00:10:23.000Sometimes that's my God, getting that bowl of Raisin Bran and sitting and watching the sitcom.
00:10:29.000Well, actually, though, how do I feel after?
00:10:32.000How do I feel when I'm leaden and heavy, intoxicated, full of their bad information, their bad movies?
00:10:49.000Former Congressman Kurt Weldon now, I will work with him to expose what he's willing to expose as well.
00:10:56.000Wow, so we may actually see hearings about this.
00:10:58.000In a way, if you try to fulfill yourself with worldliness by eating and drinking and fornicating and purchasing and pursuing status...
00:11:06.000It might work for you if you're a person that can tolerate low thresholds, but some of us, and you know if you're one of us, an addict, an alcoholic, a desperate zealot after the Lord, you will find that it's never enough, that you will need worship, that you will need those appetites to be truly fulfilled.
00:11:32.000In the end, all that will work for you is God.
00:11:35.000Indeed, the correspondence between Bill W., the founder of 12 Step Organizations, and Carl Jung, focused on this point illustrated in Psalm 42, is the deer panteth after the brook, so my soul panteth after thee.
00:11:47.000The way that a hunted animal is looking for water, we are looking for the living water of our Lord, and if denied it, well...
00:11:54.000You'll take something in the arm or through the throat.
00:11:57.000You'll breathe in some chemical or inject some chemical.
00:12:00.000You'll do something because you have to have God.
00:12:09.000And by the way, this has opened up when my ranking member now, when he was chairman of the Permanent Subcommittee Investigation, he did the investigation on the PGA and Live Golf and the PIF.
00:12:21.000Part of that is we had 9 /11 families coming forward and saying we want the FBI files unredacted.
00:12:28.000We want those made available in terms of what happened.
00:12:51.000My guess is there's an awful lot being covered up in terms of what the American government knows about 9 /11.
00:12:57.000Hmm, there's been a cover-up, but not the first and not the last.
00:13:00.000This is the time of revelation and disclosure, where we're learning the degree to which we rely to during the pandemic, but also in the preceding years.
00:13:08.000I imagine every single one of those events around which there are abundant theories has at least some further revelation to be made.
00:13:15.000Look into celebrity deaths, the death of Diana, the death of Elvis Presley, the death of Michael Jackson.
00:13:20.000Of course, any big event is going to conjure up discussion and controversy.
00:13:27.000But we are living in a time of great revelation precisely because we are reorganising our understanding of reality as we become new wine in new wine holders, ready and prepared to take this fight to a new level at a new pace, recognising perhaps for the first time who the foe truly is.
00:13:42.000The same foe that keeps you dumb, distracted, malnourished and masturbating is the chuckling puppeteer that manoeuvres dark threads behind global events.
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00:16:24.000I'm very excited to discuss them with you.
00:17:08.000Peterson warns right, you'll implode like the left did with wokeism.
00:17:20.000You also set that conversation up, but it poked up and made itself manifest in that conversation.
00:17:25.000And the issue is, how do you identify...
00:17:29.000The psychopathic pretenders, and it's even worse now, and then make a barrier, right?
00:17:35.000Now, the right was calling for the left to do that for decades, and they didn't, and they couldn't, and the left is not good at drawing barriers, partly temperamentally.
00:17:43.000The right is somewhat better, but there's no shortage of monstrosity there, and so then the question is, how do you draw the line?
00:18:18.000And so, you know, you've let your curiosity guide you.
00:18:22.000Your curiosity and your desire for knowledge, this quest, you've let that guide you as a podcaster.
00:18:29.000And by the way, I'm trying to work through exactly the same sort of thing.
00:18:33.000How do you know, given your radical increase in stature over the last 10 years, how do you know when your curiosity and even your skepticism about the fact that things aren't the way that people say they are, because that's certainly been demonstrated in the last 10 years.
00:23:17.000...with salt around your throat, good pullover, and a good hot water bottle, and sweat it out, and then if you feel that you're not going to spread germs around, then get up.
00:26:30.000Do you ever wake up and think I'd like to be a bit more clever, a bit more alert, and not feel like I was hit by a plank of existential dread?
00:30:51.000I like that it's sometimes, particularly now when I feel super crazy, I feel like I want tradition to hold me.
00:30:57.000But sometimes I feel like Anything that's not explicit in the Bible is by its nature interpretive and I feel like generally institutions like to provide gaps and barriers and boundaries to control the living water and the holy power.
00:31:09.000What seems to me to be happening more broadly than the death of this Pope is that so many things are changing so quickly, so many new elites are emerging while old elites collapse, that this is a...
00:31:35.000I think if you look at anything right now, we're talking about politics, life in general, it does feel like it needs faith to get us what's beyond.
00:31:44.000Beyond what you know, beyond what you think you know, beyond what a leader was supposed to look like, or all the leaders they've tried to give us as here's what a leader's supposed...
00:31:53.000It's going beyond all of this limitations into something new.
00:31:57.000Yeah, it's interesting because it's like, as an individual, when you come to Christ, it's like when you run out of self, time to invite in Jesus.
00:32:06.000And maybe the culture, the culture's running out of ideas.
00:32:10.000Where are you going to go with this technology, longevity, supremacy, conquering new astral colonies?
00:32:18.000You can see those ideas have been espoused, obviously, by very influential and powerful people like Musk.
00:33:46.000They're not even the dominant characters in Despicable Me.
00:33:49.000You'd have to have me as Pope, which I did see some people posting, sometimes with unkind overtones.
00:33:56.000Massey, you seem to be being slowly seduced into the lure of the Lord.
00:34:00.000Yourself, once we've got an atheist and a Jew to come over, our work will be done here.
00:34:06.000Haven't you been off watching The Chosen or in endless worship over Easter or something?
00:34:10.000My mum's staying with us at the moment, and she did a Chosen marathon while she was here, so season one to season four, and then season five was out at the cinema here, so she went and did like seven hours in the cinema watching The Chosen, and then afterwards we met her at church because she wanted to like experience the real thing,
00:34:59.000There were 12,000 people that raced in it in 21 robots.
00:35:03.000And what stuck out to me is up until now, the fastest time that these manufacturers could get a robot to make that 13 miles was eight hours.
00:35:11.000And for this race, which happened five days ago, they got a robot to do it in two and a half hours.
00:35:16.000And all I'm seeing everywhere nonstop is robotics, AI.
00:35:22.000Ten years from now, I feel like we're going to go into any given bar to get a cocktail, or any coffee shop to get a coffee, and it's the robot serving our coffee.
00:35:31.000But what about when we all thought he was going to be on booster packs, like the Jetsons and everything, and I hoped to live in an underwater igloo.
00:37:30.000I mean, when you see that robot technology coupled with those lifelike Japanese sex dolls, the possibilities are, well, they're not limitless.
00:37:37.000There's one possibility, lifelike robot Japanese sex dolls.
00:37:48.000When you watch that, do you feel heartened or dismayed?
00:37:52.000Well, you made a funny point that they make them look kind of friendly, and I'm just waiting for the day to come where somebody makes the robot and it's got red laser eyes, and it does not look friendly.
00:38:02.000So, for the most part, I'd like to think it's going to go somewhere cool, and then it's going to be an amazing thing, and we're going to have help from these robots, but...
00:38:09.000I have a feeling, as the world normally does, it's going to run it into the ground.
00:38:14.000Of course it will, because their technology will ultimately be controlled by the most powerful institutions and elite interests in the world.
00:38:20.000And they care about control, the preservation of the state is quite above all else.
00:38:24.000You may realize, yeah, this whole race is just a propaganda thing.
00:38:26.000It's to normalize it and make it kind of cozy, like them robot dogs.
00:38:31.000Dogs. Make robot dogs, and then we're going to roll out the robot Gestapo.
00:38:36.000They start with dogs and things you like, and then it will be hook arms and weird, nasty sort of robot Nazis chasing us through the streets, hunting us down, extracting our sperm, I'm assuming.
00:38:50.000That's where those Japanese lifelike ones are going to come in handy.
00:38:54.000So, yeah, them robots, let us know in the comments and chat whether you think this is a PR exercise being used to inoculate us too.
00:39:01.000Do you think it's a lovely, harmless robot marathon?
00:39:08.000It's weird that there's little kid ones and tall ones.
00:39:11.000I think they should all be standardised.
00:39:13.000That's one of my problems that I've got with it.
00:39:15.000Alright, Massey, you've got, like, you wanted to talk to us about Netflix tax.
00:39:21.000I'm assuming this is in the general context that the United Kingdom impose a media tax on the public in the form of a BBC licence fee.
00:39:28.000If you have a television, you have to have a television license.
00:39:31.000Increasingly these days, of course, people have televisions and don't watch the BBC or BBC iPlayer at all.
00:39:36.000Probably because the BBC lied to them during the pandemic and it is an instrument of state power, lying and unbelievable, almost inconceivable bias.
00:39:44.000And people don't want to participate anymore.
00:39:45.000And even if they're not political, who wants to pay an additional tax?
00:39:48.000Now, the government are introducing a kind of Netflix tax.
00:39:55.000Alright, so in the UK people may not know that we have to pay a TV license to use our televisions.
00:40:00.000We used to have like pet licenses, dog licenses, stuff like that back in the UK, back in the day.
00:40:04.000But now they are talking, basically the TV license is there to pay for the BBC.
00:40:10.000And the way they test whether you need a TV license or not used to be that they'd come around to your house and they'd see if you've got a TV.
00:40:16.000And if you do, because you can receive the BBC, you've just got to pay the TV license.
00:40:20.000But now because people have to stream everything and you can stream through iPlayer, they know who doesn't have the BBC because I just won't log into iPlayer.
00:40:27.000And now they are basically talking about levying like a tax on Netflix and streaming services to make up for this revenue they've lost, basically.
00:40:37.000They're trying to find a way of legitimising taxing, even though the raison d'etre for taxing people using their product has broken away and fallen away.
00:41:02.000According to the Commons Cultural Media and Sport Committee, major streaming services such as Netflix, Disney and Apple should be forced to pay 5% of their British revenues into a fund that would then be used to finance distinctively homegrown programmes.
00:41:16.000If they don't agree to do so voluntarily, the government should be forced to pay 5% of their British revenues into a fund that would then be used to finance distinctively homegrown programmes.
00:41:19.000Now look, I'm not on the side of these streaming giants either, because they're massive conglomerates, but look who's coming down the pipe right now.
00:41:27.000Caroline Dynage, the chairman of the committee, who bizarrely describes herself as conservative.
00:41:33.000Caroline Dynish is the person that, when I got attacked in the UK in September 2023, contacted Rumble and YouTube saying that I should be immediately demonetised.
00:41:43.000YouTube, of course, famously complied.
00:41:45.000Unless the government urgently intervenes to rebalance the playing field for every adolescent, adding to the national conversation.
00:41:52.000Oh God, they're still going about adolescence.
00:41:57.000He's a brilliant actor, a brilliant filmmaker.
00:41:58.000But obviously that adolescence is being used to focus attention on useful arguments rather than more complex and troubling arguments about what the causes are for poverty, despair and violence in the UK.
00:42:10.000For every adolescence adding to the national conversation, there will be countless distinctly British stories that never make it to our screens.
00:42:17.000Netflix, perhaps understandably, immediately hit back, arguing that in an increasingly competitive global market, it's key to create a business environment that incentivises rather than penalises investment, risk-taking and success.
00:42:28.000It costs every £174 a year, regardless of whether people pay for the stuff they use to make it or not.
00:42:33.000Indeed, the licence fee, or tax, as it should be known, costs more every year than standard ad-free Netflix subscription.
00:42:40.000It's hard to understand why people should start having to pay a second tax on top of that, designed to do much the same thing.
00:42:49.000Social support and social structures and good roads and hospitals and schools and police forces.
00:42:56.000But I also believe in the principle of subsidiarity, of not centralising that authority and not detaching it from the populations that are affected by it.
00:43:04.000It seems like this is a move in the other direction.
00:43:07.000You can understand a rampant, necessary cash grab as their funding model collapses.
00:43:12.000Let's have a look at how this is reported on by GB News.
00:43:16.000The Culture, Media and Sport Committee of MPs, which does exist by the way, has cobbled together this report which recommends the government introduces a streaming levy, a streaming levy on the likes of Netflix, Amazon,
00:43:32.000Apple and so on to build what they call a cultural fund to help finance drama with a specific interest to British audiences.
00:43:42.000So that is a 5% tax on subscriber revenues because vital dramas like adolescence, and this is where adolescence comes back in again, are important to the UK's identity, national conversation and talent pipeline,
00:44:01.000I'm just going to read directly from the report.
00:44:04.000So this is what the chair of the CMS committee, Dame Caroline Dynage, said today.
00:44:13.000have showcased the UK's world-class film and high-end television industry like never before.
00:44:19.000But the booming inward investment of recent years now risks crowding out our many talented, independent British producers.
00:44:29.000Much of our British propaganda is being drowned out by variety.
00:44:36.000Our ability to lie to and control the population is being compromised.
00:44:40.000I don't reckon that Netflix, Apple, Disney, etc.
00:44:42.000have any incentive other than making money.
00:44:44.000And if there's an inadvertent consequence of making money, they have to make TV shows or movies, they'll do it.
00:44:52.000But the idea that the government should be able to levy taxes in order to compensate for the fact that their funding models collapsed, mostly because, and here's what's not being discussed, No one trusts the media.
00:45:06.000They shouldn't be looking to accrue more revenue and more money.
00:45:09.000They should be recognizing that the days of their stranglehold are at an end.
00:45:15.000You wouldn't tolerate that in this country, would you?
00:45:17.000No, but I think those people in that clip earlier from the UK that were just drinking for all their remedies, that seems like it might be the way to go if you're in the UK.
00:45:27.000What I do to cope with all of these levies and taxes is I get up and I drink myself up a pint of whiskey.
00:45:33.000What I do is I put on Apple streaming services, then I wrap a sock around my eyes and ignore it.
00:45:38.000What I tend to do is go out in my garden and I find myself an Irish construction worker and try to wrestle him to the ground and pour some whiskey into his mouth, which he usually accepts being Irish.
00:48:00.000To stop this happening, The TV license thing didn't work.
00:48:07.000Why don't we go and talk to everyone that he's ever known?
00:48:09.000He must have done something wrong at some point, and even if he didn't, could you persuade people that he did do something wrong?
00:48:14.000I bet we bloody well could, using, ironically, old media to create an environment of total terror, fear, stasiism, and a kind of ever-expanding gulag of crimes that constitute living in and being in.
00:48:31.000Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
00:48:33.000Isaac, I know that secretly you're panicking about getting your flight back to Miemski, but you've also bought us a piece about Pete Hegsier.
00:48:40.000Well, Pete Hegseth basically announced that he's going to try to get physical health back into fashion in the U.S. military.
00:48:55.000If you're in the army, you should be fit.
00:48:57.000I mean, ultimately, the army is about defending and serving the American people, fighting, being in wars, or in a good scenario, helping out after some sort of mismanaged hurricane that's not being looked after by the people that are meant to be taking care of it at the state level.
00:49:12.000Let's have a look at HEGSF demanding that we all stop being so obese, particularly if we're in the military.
00:49:17.000Troops fighting in the unit that many of you will lead.
00:49:21.000Are capable, truly physically capable of doing what is necessary under fire.
00:49:36.000And that's why we're reviewing how the department has maintained standards in the past, especially the last four years, and whether those standards have dropped, formally or informally.
00:49:51.000I mean, I really got caught up with the fat, not fit, sharp, not shabby bit, really, just like it was government by alliteration.
00:49:57.000But I suppose this is a new common sense era, isn't it, where people are making legislative declarations around things that are biologically evident, and now things that also seem like common sense, like if you're going to be in the army, you've got to be fit.
00:50:09.000Do you think it's fair enough, Isaac, or have you got some sort of problem with it?
00:50:45.000See, this is a new era of common sense in the United States of America, but in the United Kingdom, more craziness.
00:50:51.000It seems to me that we've kind of devolved.
00:50:53.000I would hanker after a return to the glory days of them old people, just getting drunk in order to fight off the common cold and its variants.
00:51:03.000Let's have a look at the one true potential solution to all of this, immersing ourselves in the holy, sublime, and divine.
00:51:10.000Like Massey's mum, as a matter of fact.
00:51:12.000This conversation between Charlie Kirk and Bill Ma is fascinating for a number of reasons.
00:51:16.000The bit we're focusing on, though, is when Ma and Kirk talk about Christ and Christianity.
00:51:22.000We'll then move on to looking at new evidence around the Shroud of Turin, as well as a very peculiar journalist with some extraordinary predilections.
00:51:51.000If you're staggering through this world, broken, full of mistrust, distrust and despair that you can't believe the information, misinformation, malinformation and disinformation of corrupt institutions of false light, then now is a time to awaken.
00:52:03.000One of the great things that's occurring at least are conversations from across the aisle, is what they tend to call them these days, usually Charlie Kirk and someone else.
00:52:11.000This time, Charlie Kirk is talking to Bill Maher about a number of things, including...
00:52:16.000Bill Maher, if he's anything, he's an atheist.
00:52:19.000Do you remember that film he made with Larry Charles about agnosticism or indeed atheism?
00:52:27.000Since then, I, of course, have come to our Lord and Saviour, Christ Jesus.
00:52:31.000He's come to me, chosen me, redeemed me.
00:52:33.000I belong to someone else now, certainly somewhere else.
00:52:36.000Let us have a look at this conversation and work out if beyond the return to nationalism that seems to be a prophylactic against advancing globalism, He is risen.
00:53:29.000But when you live in he is risen, you recognize that you yourself are an event floating through time, temporarily held together molecules with an identity, an identity that will be best surrendered to him.
00:53:39.000So you don't wander in the quantum field, that limitless super state of potentialities.
00:53:44.000You collapse into the cross instead of being in the druidic and shamanic world beset by demons, chaos and chance.
00:54:03.000Life itself is limitless, sprawling, and is born of the triune God in continual relationship.
00:54:10.000If you can unshackle yourself from the blocks and brokenness, the stagnation that comes from worshipping false idols, you can participate in eternity with him.
00:54:33.000It's that of all time, that promise is accessible to all of us.
00:54:37.000And so it's a proclamation to all people.
00:54:39.000Because if you said, hey, he was risen, it's just merely a historical event.
00:54:44.000It almost underplays the metaphysics of it.
00:54:47.000I'm just always fascinated the way really, really fine intellectual minds employ themselves for the purpose What's amazing about it is the limitations of materialism and rationalism.
00:55:09.000It's interesting that Bill Maher met with Trump recently as he migrates from his previous enclave as the voice of the liberal anti-establishment.
00:55:18.000Of course, he's become, ultimately, as anyone who gets super wealthy from the establishment does.
00:55:24.000The establishment is ingenious in its ability to recruit.
00:55:27.000If you have anti-establishment energy in you, like I do, like I always have done, one of those people that thirsts after the kingdom, the establishment is very good at directing you towards it.
00:55:37.000When did the impulses that I felt as a young man become, oh, what if I was just famous?
00:55:55.000Wait a minute, this Democrat movement that claims to be the inheritor of righteous people like Martin Luther King is nothing of the sort.
00:56:01.000It's caught up in bureaucracy and, curiously and hypocritically, conservatism.
00:56:05.000It wants to conserve and control power, and the way it does that is by elevating fear and claiming it can protect you from the consequences of that fear, whether it's climate change or COVID or...
00:56:14.000Bigotry. It claims it can protect you from that fear.
00:56:17.000Bill Maher has migrated from the Democrats to being curious, at least, about libertarianism.
00:56:21.000The next migration will be an awakening to the world of the spirit.
00:58:01.000He was buried in a known accessible tomb.
00:58:03.000The gospel's name, Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy member of the Jewish council, as the man who buried Jesus.
00:58:08.000If this were a fabrication, using a public figure easily investigated by enemies would be self-defeating.
00:58:13.000The early Christian creed in 1 Corinthians 15, dated by scholars like James D.G. Dunn to within five years of the crucifixion, affirms the burial.
00:58:56.000If you find yourself saying that, then you have to recognize that you have a perspective that you want to hold on to.
00:59:02.000And my own coming to Christ came when I stopped gripping on, when I relinquished, when I relented, when I recognized the limits of my own dexterous, clever little mind, how far it could take me, how much trouble it had gotten me in.
00:59:13.000What happened to me was that tidal wave that I described earlier hit me and I drowned.
00:59:20.000That ain't to say that I don't come up for air occasionally and try and gasp and grip control, try and float on the raft made of the cross instead of putting it on my back and carrying it.
00:59:29.000But now I've been awoken to the truth of him and it's...
00:59:36.000It's metaphysically potent enough to totally subdue me.
00:59:40.000And I'm a person that was pretty devout in worshipping the culture.
00:59:43.000You know, they say that Saul's conversion to Paul was particularly miraculous because of how devoted he was to the execution and persecution of Christians.
00:59:52.000Well, I was pretty dedicated to being famous, to having sex, to being powerful.
00:59:58.000Fame. Those things were my religion and creed, like they're probably yours.
01:00:01.000If you look at your search history now and it's got pornography on it, if you're worried about your bank account now, if you're thinking about your next meal, then they've captured you.
01:01:36.000The light that was present at the dawn of the earth in that moment was reborn in him, creating a kind of negative image on the Shroud of Turin.
01:01:52.000I didn't see it as like a miraculous flash of resurrected light illuminating the tomb before he was reborn, giving birth to all of us, giving birth to hope, transcending.
01:02:03.000The death that lurks and looms, that stalks, that sits upon your shoulder like a raven, the nagging, constant crow of death, the continual anxiety all bleached out by the white light of his resurrection.
01:02:15.000It was only on display for a few months.
01:02:18.000That same year, I had the chance to see it up close.
01:02:24.000And I'm ashamed to admit this, but I actually put my dick on it.
01:02:28.000Looking back now, it was one of the most unprofessional things I've ever done as a journalist.
01:02:34.000But because I am a journalist, I will admit to doing it.
01:02:38.000That's why they won't get it out again now and put it on display.
01:02:42.000When I say get it out again, I mean the shroud, not my downstairs instrument, not my flesh clarinet, not my body wand, not my stick of wonder, not little me, not the liar in the basement.
01:03:28.000Today, as with so much, technology is taking over.
01:03:32.000The faint contours on the relic have been used to generate AI images of Christ.
01:03:37.000And at Turin Cathedral, believers will only be able to see a digital duplicate of the Shroud this year.
01:03:43.000Only a digital duplicate and they'll have to look at the digital duplicate of my downstairs liar too Because I won't be getting him out anymore as conditions of my bail It will stay locked away in a climate-controlled case Which is also what I'm doing with my
01:03:58.000body wand for conservation In centuries past the shroud would be brought out for the faithful to witness and worship
01:07:28.000In the southern Italian city of Bari, research to redate the Shroud continues.
01:07:35.000This scientific team, led by Catholic Professor Liberato De Caro, has tested thread from the cloth with a technique called X-ray crystallography.
01:07:45.000I'm sorry to say that I brushed my nuts against Liberato just as he was showing me a cell with molecules on it.
01:08:25.000Because when you're dealing with the unknowable, the ineffable, the transcendent and the holy, the temptation is to try to make it rational and material because this is where we are, incarnate, lost.
01:08:36.000Askew, askance and broken and spilled down here.
01:08:40.000We want somehow to grasp and meld onto our rational minds this ineffable and unknowable mystery.
01:09:07.000What really matters is whether or not journalists can be free to roam museums going up to artifacts and pointing to it with their body pen and writing letters to history with the white ink of their own life.
01:09:21.000This is me reporting on that show I do on the telly.
01:09:26.000Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
01:09:29.000Certainly, it seems insufficient to try to make your way through life clinging only on to the rationalism, materialism, and the philosophies of the 20th century that kept Bill Maher warm for a while, but I sense now are becoming ashes in his mouth.