Stay Free - Russel Brand - They Lied to Us – The Vaccine, Big Pharma & Global Corruption with Dr. Aseem Malhotra – SF546

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00:02:20.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:02:32.000 Thank you for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

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00:02:41.000 It's a fantastic new way to access information on a brilliant new week with, hopefully, a brand new pandemic.

00:02:49.000 You've only just gone over your last pandemic.

00:02:52.000 Can't need another pandemic and yet they are discussing it.

00:02:55.000 How will legacy media figures handle this new information?

00:03:00.000 Will the mainstream media support it and go out to bat for new measures and new restrictions?

00:03:06.000 Or will in this changing global configuration alternative voices reign supreme?

00:03:12.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that while you still can.

00:03:16.000 Because you know one of the things they tend to do with these new pandemics is just...

00:03:23.000 That's just one of the things I'll be talking to Dr. Asim Malhotra about.

00:03:28.000 He is a brilliant and significant voice when it comes to understanding the role of big pharma and the obligations of medics and doctors in a time of corruption and deception.

00:03:37.000 If you saw Trump make a rare misstep in front of a crowd when introducing CEO of Pfizer, Albert Baller, and the boo that went up, you'll know this is a subject that divides people precisely because it was an issue that awoke folk.

00:03:51.000 New coronavirus with potential to cause pandemic discovered in China.

00:03:56.000 Thank God the good people in Wuhan are still dedicating their time and effort to creating new novel viruses. 1.00

00:04:05.000 Did you learn anything in the last couple of years, guys?

00:04:08.000 Yeah, one thing I learned is we should definitely keep up gain-of-function research.

00:04:12.000 How else will we stay ahead of the curve when it comes to the creation of vaccines?

00:04:16.000 Just keep doing it.

00:04:17.000 I'm beginning to think we should withdraw funding from any...

00:04:20.000 In Wuhan, even if they're working on, I don't know, something like sort of cookies or air fresheners, just stop giving them money.

00:04:28.000 In a minute, we'll be talking about the revelation out of Yale that unique, rare and disturbing conditions have emerged in connection to the COVID vaccines.

00:04:38.000 And what we were calling long COVID was, as we had long suspected, Long vaccine.

00:04:46.000 It ain't long COVID that's making you ill.

00:04:49.000 It's the vaccine.

00:04:49.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you ever took that thing because I'm proud to say that neither me or anyone in my family took it.

00:04:56.000 Maybe my parents took it.

00:04:57.000 I mean, they don't seem very well.

00:04:58.000 Are they going to be okay? 1.00

00:05:00.000 Damn that virus. 0.99

00:05:01.000 Now, thanks to this extraordinary conversation between Joe Rogan and Woody Halston, we're getting... 0.99

00:05:07.000 I suppose in the form of Woody Harrelson, from a somewhat mainstream figure, we're at least getting some honest debate.

00:05:15.000 Woody Harrelson was pretty bold when he went on SNL, wasn't he, and sort of pitched a thriller, and in so doing, described the actual conditions of the pandemic.

00:05:24.000 Here he is on Joe Rogan, claiming that Anthony Fauci is perhaps naked, raw, evil.

00:05:31.000 I mean, Bobby...

00:05:33.000 I really hope he's able to do some good things because he's certainly a man on a mission and a man who cares deeply.

00:05:41.000 And I think really heroic how much he stood up for things that he didn't need to talk about, you know, that didn't help him in any way.

00:05:54.000 He just took one arrow after the other over it.

00:05:58.000 To me, even if he was wrong, which I don't think he was, Then it's heroic to do that.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, and he wasn't wrong.

00:06:07.000 The thing is, I was a victim of that propaganda.

00:06:11.000 And I told him that when I met him and I had him on the show. 0.81

00:06:13.000 I said, I always thought you were a kook. 1.00

00:06:14.000 I had always heard. 0.86

00:06:16.000 I bought into it.

00:06:17.000 I just had this sort of cursory examination of what people were saying about you.

00:06:20.000 Like, oh, that guy doesn't believe in vaccines. 0.96

00:06:22.000 He's a nut.

00:06:23.000 He's some sort of an anti-science nut who's just a conspiracy theorist. 1.00

00:06:27.000 He's just like all these other nutty people. 0.53

00:06:30.000 And then I read his book. 0.66

00:06:31.000 And I was like, okay, well, this book is real.

00:06:34.000 Why isn't he getting sued if it's not real?

00:06:36.000 If it's not real, why is he getting sued?

00:06:38.000 If all these things he's saying about Anthony Fauci during the AIDS crisis, if that's not true, why is he not getting sued? 0.95

00:06:44.000 I would sue the fuck out of him if he lied about me and said I was vaccinating foster kids with experimental drugs that were killing them. 0.79

00:06:51.000 I would sue you if that was not true. 1.00

00:06:54.000 Like, hey, you fucking liar. 1.00

00:06:55.000 I never did that. 1.00

00:06:56.000 This is a lie.

00:06:57.000 You can't prove it.

00:06:57.000 But it's not a lie.

00:07:00.000 If it was a lie, he'd get sued.

00:07:02.000 Be in truth, they just ignored it.

00:07:05.000 But man, that is...

00:07:08.000 A heavy tome.

00:07:09.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 Oh, my God.

00:07:11.000 It's a heavy tome.

00:07:13.000 Wow.

00:07:14.000 Pretty extraordinary, isn't it, that now reality is caught up with the conspiracy theorists?

00:07:19.000 I see Malhotra's conversation is something that's going to really help you understand just how right you were.

00:07:25.000 Woody Harrelson, coming from that extraordinary kind of eco-hippie, liberal, pot-smoking, hemp-wearing perspective, is now on the same side as many people that were kind of oddly judged as being on the right.

00:07:37.000 This is a new political moment.

00:07:38.000 It's a new moment in truth.

00:07:40.000 And Bobby Kennedy, Senator...

00:07:41.000 No, excuse me.

00:07:42.000 Secretary Kennedy is perhaps the defining figure of this movement because of that book, among other things.

00:07:48.000 Now, this is an appraisal that's going to have to go pretty deep because...

00:07:51.000 Look at this story from the mainstream papers.

00:07:53.000 From the looks of it, it's the Mail Online.

00:07:56.000 Vaccine victims left disabled after taking COVID jab react to bombshell Yale study that found shots cause extreme body changes.

00:08:03.000 It's just revelation after revelation.

00:08:06.000 And this guest on Rogan, Chase Hughes, says that he believed the COVID response to be a full-blown psyop.

00:08:15.000 Now, how long will it be until we get the reckoning that's required?

00:08:20.000 Because the reckoning warranted by COVID, the pandemic and what we've subsequently learned, I believe means that regulatory bodies are going to have to be completely reinvigorated.

00:08:32.000 Pharmaceutical industries owe a lot of money to a lot of injured people and government officials right the way up to positions of leadership, I'm talking about the Prime Minister of the UK, I believe are vulnerable and indicted by these revelations.

00:08:47.000 How deep are their relationships with Big Pharma?

00:08:50.000 Why do people from Moderna keep getting jobs within government agencies and vice versa? 1.00

00:08:55.000 What are we being told or shown in plain sight?

00:08:59.000 By this entrenchant and unfurling corruption.

00:09:03.000 Here, Chase Hughes tells Joe Rogan that the entire COVID period was a psyop.

00:09:08.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.

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00:09:25.000 Do you think that someone sat in a room?

00:09:27.000 And that people discuss the best ways to get people to comply?

00:09:31.000 Yes.

00:09:32.000 Oh, yes.

00:09:33.000 I would bet my career.

00:09:35.000 Because it was executed following textbook protocol.

00:09:41.000 I made a YouTube video on my channel of how to spot psyops, and there's like 20 different little things.

00:09:47.000 You only need one.

00:09:48.000 One thing, and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a psyop.

00:09:52.000 That one thing is, if the opinion that's coming out, Needs people to be silenced, it's a PSYOP. There are psychological operations in play.

00:10:03.000 Wow.

00:10:04.000 So if you can't question it, if you're supposed to just go along, it's a PSYOP. Yeah, and if people have to be silenced or publicly shamed because of their information, and they're not telling people the sky is falling, they're not saying crazy shit, they're just saying basic stuff and they need to be silenced. 0.93

00:10:25.000 That is a PSYOP. No matter what, you can go back any time in history during a PSYOP of our country, and if people needed to be silenced or shamed publicly, which is like the tribe, right?

00:10:36.000 That's why public speaking is our number one fear for humans.

00:10:40.000 It's not a fear of speaking, it's a fear of judgment.

00:10:43.000 So I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there.

00:10:46.000 That is a PSYOP. So if people have to be silenced, and they were Harvard doctors.

00:10:53.000 Kicked off of the internet or kicked off.

00:10:55.000 Yeah Twitter for this stuff.

00:10:57.000 Yeah, that's Stanford MIT Yeah, that's all you need.

00:11:01.000 Yeah, the the Great Barrington Declaration People didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced and they were treated like fringe Quacks instead of respected physicians and It was openly discussed in emails That's what's really crazy they They talked about the strategy of silencing these people. 0.94

00:11:25.000 And then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed, which is wild.

00:11:33.000 Didn't you have Mark Zuckerberg on?

00:11:35.000 He talked about Facebook doing it, about the FBI contacting them.

00:11:40.000 It's crazy to believe, but my hope is that people have learned from this past four years and that this is an eye-opener.

00:11:49.000 So there you have it.

00:11:50.000 The pandemic period was a window into which we were able to glimpse and see state corruption, globalism, pharmaceutical corruption, the tendency of big tech to collaborate with governments when it comes to censorship.

00:12:05.000 In short, it was an awakening for us all.

00:12:08.000 It was the period of my awakening.

00:12:10.000 Thank...

00:12:10.000 God, that I never took any of those products.

00:12:13.000 Let me know in the comments in chat if you did take them.

00:12:15.000 Let me know if you think you've got a right to sue your government because sure as hell the pharmaceutical companies aren't paying their own debts.

00:12:21.000 Governments are carrying the financial burdens that those pharmaceutical companies should be carrying.

00:12:28.000 Certainly in this new media landscape, it's going to be impossible for them to avoid the reckoning that's due.

00:12:33.000 I'll be talking about that and more with Asim Malhotra.

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00:14:02.000 But it's time now to introduce my fantastic guest, Dr. Asim Malhotra.

00:14:08.000 Dr. Asim Malhotra is a consultant cardiologist who had been boldly outspoken about various cardiological drugs earlier in his career.

00:14:16.000 career but in the pandemic he came to prominence through a very brave stance uh when it came to his own vaccine use and his the consequences on him personally and on his family from the vaccines uh you should support him in this endeavor there's a diabetes and metabolic drive that he's participating in there's a link to that in the description now and you should follow him on social media dr asim malhotra thanks so much for joining us today always great to see you my friend

00:14:41.000 I feel that you're one of the people that's defined my personal journey, both in independent media and as someone who's understood COVID, medicine, globalism, corruption, the relationship between government and big pharma, the way that media functions.

00:14:58.000 That's because when we first spoke, you were sort of almost still in the respected world of medicine that belongs to the mainstream.

00:15:08.000 Since then, you've been...

00:15:10.000 Rejected, turned into a pariah, but newly embraced as power appears to have shifted in a major way.

00:15:18.000 And medics and doctors and medical professionals like you, that are people of integrity, seem to be moving now to positions of prominence and new authority.

00:15:31.000 Dr. Malhotra, it must be astonishing to have gone on that rollercoaster ride.

00:15:36.000 And I suppose that what the pandemic did...

00:15:39.000 It was like being on the back of a dragon for a minute.

00:15:43.000 No one knew where it was going to lead us all.

00:15:45.000 We knew that something fundamental and pivotal was happening.

00:15:48.000 But for a minute, it seemed like...

00:15:50.000 That we were going to just have to live with it.

00:15:52.000 The idea that we'd been misled about the origins of COVID, the nature and impact of COVID, the nature of the vaccines, its impact and its side effects.

00:16:03.000 It's a story that's so vast and pulls in so many tendrils.

00:16:07.000 I wonder where you stand on it now, now that it appears we're at a new level of revelation when it comes to COVID and the vaccines and their impact, with even naysayers and cynics like Piers.

00:16:19.000 There's Morgan now getting on board in particular.

00:16:22.000 Can you tell us where you see us as being in this narrative and what you imagine will happen next, particularly as a result of the letter that you and I spoke about online that changed Piers' perspective?

00:16:36.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:16:37.000 First of all, thank you.

00:16:39.000 I must say that I think we've had influence on each other, but you've certainly been one of the most outspoken people that has Brilliantly understood and then articulated the status quo in a way that countered the conventional narrative, but actually has been increasingly proven to be correct.

00:16:59.000 So for me, you know, it's an interesting one, this journey, because up until the pandemic, certainly I was probably one of the most outspoken people who was challenging the conventional narrative on Big Pharma, Big Food, exposing their manipulations and excesses.

00:17:14.000 However, the one blind spot I had...

00:17:17.000 Was over vaccines.

00:17:19.000 And therefore, you know, we've discussed this before, but just for people that don't know, you know, I was one of the first to adopt take two doses of Pfizer.

00:17:28.000 I went on Good Morning Britain at that stage because it was only being recommended for high risk patients.

00:17:33.000 It was good for them, even though I knew.

00:17:35.000 Low-risk people, people who were younger, certainly under 65 and healthy, didn't really need the vaccine.

00:17:40.000 But I didn't expect it to cause the damage that it did.

00:17:43.000 And of course, the situation evolved over time with lots of other bits of information coming out incrementally from 2021 with initial concerns about so-called rare side effects.

00:17:54.000 And we realized the side effects became more, you know, more common.

00:17:59.000 And then a personal story with me, I think, exacerbated my...

00:18:04.000 Interest, I think I would say, and deep dive into understanding exactly what happened when my father, who, as you know, was a deputy vice president of the BMA, suffered a sudden cardiac arrest, unexplained, and eventually we realised it was probably the vaccine.

00:18:18.000 So I think once, for me, once I fully understood what was going on with the vaccine in terms of its benefits and harms, and now we're in a situation, Russell, where it's very, very clear, in my view.

00:18:30.000 I think looking at it, you know, In an independent, evidence-based way, not just my opinion, connecting with other people, like the likes of Carl Hennigan, for example, the director of Center of Evidence-Based Medicine, Oxford, many eminent scientists around the world, the Jay Bhattacharyas of this world,

00:18:46.000 who's going to be the next, you know, God willing, the next director of the NIH. All these people consistently feel that either it's been significantly damaging for...

00:19:00.000 Certainly for more harm than benefit for people who are younger or think, like me, it should never have been injected into a single human in the first place.

00:19:09.000 But once I'd realised that about the Covid vaccine, Russell, it already fit into an understanding I already had and was concerned about pre-pandemic that there was too much power of big pharma to the extent where even if we exclude the vaccine discussion, you know, good evidence suggests that one of the leading causes of death After heart disease and cancer globally is too much medicine, prescribed medications.

00:19:35.000 And also the fact that if you want to explain what is at the root of the chronic disease pandemic, it is essentially the low-hanging fruit, the biggest driver of it is ultra-processed food, the food environment.

00:19:47.000 So I think, you know, in that journey that I've been on, when we come to the present day and where I'm at and obviously my links with the new administration potentially, You know, it really started in a way with a phone call, which I don't know if I told you about.

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00:21:26.000 At the end of 2022, I published a paper, spent nine months trying to analyze the data on the vaccine.

00:21:33.000 Two parts.

00:21:34.000 Journal of Instant Resistance.

00:21:35.000 This is what the vaccine we think is doing in terms of benefits and harms.

00:21:39.000 Overall, likely net harm.

00:21:41.000 Let's pause it.

00:21:41.000 But hold on a minute, that's a really big statement to make.

00:21:44.000 How do we get this so wrong?

00:21:45.000 And then go through all of the commercial corruption of medicine, interests, corporate capitalism, all of that together to explain how we got here.

00:21:56.000 The very first person to call me, because normally with every article I've published over the years, Russell, and being in this space, this particular area for what, over 10 years or so.

00:22:08.000 Every single medical journal article I've published, I've written for the sake of saying something that I felt was important, not for the sake of being published, which has hit the news.

00:22:15.000 This one did not make the mainstream news because a journalist, and I won't name him to protect him, who I've worked with for many, many years, had this as an exclusive, knew two months in advance before I was publishing this paper, mainstream newspaper, and I knew, predicting, that if this went into a mainstream newspaper at the end of 2022, it was game over for the rest of the world.

00:22:32.000 It would have stopped the vaccine, end of story.

00:22:34.000 Last minute, he obviously got...

00:22:36.000 I was scared or pressured by his editor, and I was gutted it wasn't published.

00:22:40.000 I had to think outside the box.

00:22:42.000 I went to Indian newspapers, I got it in Spanish newspapers, and I got it on GB News, which is semi-mainstream, but not mainstream.

00:22:52.000 And I was thinking at that point, without over-dramatising it, I was thinking of the words of Martin Luther King, if you can't...

00:22:59.000 He said, if you can't drive, you run.

00:23:01.000 If you can't run, you walk.

00:23:04.000 If you can't walk, you crawl, but keep moving forward.

00:23:12.000 I thought, well, I have to do something to at least get this out, start the ripple effects, and eventually we'll get there.

00:23:17.000 I went on GB News, and the first person to call me out of the blue when I came out of the studio was Robert Kennedy Jr. He got my number from Robert Malone, as you know, the brilliant scientist who's one of the co-inventors of mRNA.

00:23:32.000 And he called me and he said, Dr. Malhotra, I want to thank you for your courage with what you've done.

00:23:36.000 Let's connect.

00:23:37.000 And then that's how our friendship and relationship started.

00:23:41.000 We met several times.

00:23:41.000 We spoke at conferences.

00:23:42.000 I supported him wholeheartedly, as you know, when he ran for president.

00:23:46.000 But of course, strategically, and that was probably almost certainly the right move at the time, he decided to then align with President Trump.

00:23:53.000 I stuck with him.

00:23:53.000 And we've been in touch.

00:23:55.000 And really, that's how I think I'm now in a position where, with my experience and background and understanding and coming from Britain, probably in a unique way compared to anybody else, really, in that sense, having been through this process, having taken on Big Pharma with statins, having been a campaigner behind the sugary drinks tax in the UK, I'm probably quite uniquely positioned to understand how we get to where we need to get to.

00:24:19.000 Yes, I would agree that you are.

00:24:21.000 And I hope that...

00:24:22.000 That something comes to fruition, because I could see how you could be a benefit to this extraordinary movement in the United States, which, of course, coalesces around Bobby Kennedy.

00:24:34.000 Now, when you say that prior to the pandemic, you were outspoken about the areas in Big Pharma that you were kind of qualified to, given that your background's in cardiology, obviously, yeah, I know that.

00:24:50.000 I didn't know it.

00:24:51.000 You know, at the time, but like, what is interesting is there's always been a kind of tolerated level of dissent when it comes to big pharma, and even occasionally extraordinary scandals, notably and most obviously the opioid crisis in the country that I'm in, the United States, but also peripheral stories that are difficult to talk about.

00:25:16.000 Entirely explicitly, because some of them involve out-of-court settlements.

00:25:20.000 For example, Johnson& Johnson.

00:25:22.000 Baby powder out-of-court settlements due to some people alleging that the baby powder may have had carcinogenic qualities.

00:25:32.000 So there's always been this sort of ability to, to some degree, talk about big pharma.

00:25:36.000 And on a global macro level, almost so vast that it becomes invisible due to its magnitude, is something like the third biggest cause of death might be the over-medication of the population, something you listed in your answer just a minute.

00:25:52.000 Now, with someone like Robert Kennedy being in this position of unprecedented power over there, guys, unprecedented power in the HHS, then there's actually now a significant and real possibility that even the kind of radical discourse that emerged during the pandemic,

00:26:14.000 where we started to acknowledge, like you, I'm at the point where I think, Probably the vaccine did more harm than good, and I'm glad that I never took one of those things.

00:26:26.000 I'm glad, because you came to it with, as you say, a certain degree of cynicism, or at least scepticism, because of your position on other areas of Big Pharma.

00:26:36.000 Me, because of my general position towards authority and power, I arrived with a kind of, hold on, isn't this the government and Big Pharma?

00:26:44.000 After the initial wave of, you know, we're in a movie.

00:26:48.000 Dread had subsided.

00:26:50.000 Like I started to think, this is still all those people that I don't trust.

00:26:53.000 So what I reckon I'm asking you is, given that we believe in general that people would become healthier, as in a make America healthy again way, if they ate better food, rather than, you know, not ultra-processed food, but sort of locally sourced food, that people...

00:27:17.000 We ought to be more circumspect about the medications they're taking.

00:27:21.000 The big pharma needs to be reined in.

00:27:23.000 The indemnity around the vaccine industry should be withdrawn and retracted.

00:27:28.000 The conversation's changed so significantly, and it's not a peripheral conversation anymore.

00:27:33.000 It's a conversation where there are representatives within government.

00:27:37.000 Do you feel that we could be on the verge of an epochal shift where people are actually like...

00:27:46.000 Two personal examples to fold into your answer.

00:27:48.000 One, once I was on Bill Maher, and I sort of talked about the pandemic, and he said, you know, one thing we know is it saved millions of lives, right?

00:27:59.000 And I sort of remember at the time thinking, I just don't see it that way.

00:28:02.000 And another different but distinct thing is, I've got a friend, it's obviously very moving whenever you mention your father, because his picture's there always when you do these interviews.

00:28:15.000 I've got a friend who's older, and he was fully on board, got all of the shots and stuff, and subsequently, about six months later, had a heart attack.

00:28:26.000 And I feel like, even though he's male and he's in his 70s, and you kind of think, well, those are the people that have heart attacks, I feel...

00:28:34.000 That's related to the vaccine.

00:28:36.000 Do you think that something as significant and as personal as your father's death and all of these sort of heart conditions that it's difficult to prove because who's doing the clinical trials?

00:28:46.000 Maybe now that Jay Bhattacharya is at the NIH, maybe clinical trials will take place.

00:28:51.000 So the two things are related, even though I'm using personal examples.

00:28:55.000 Whether it comes to the public discourse conducted on media...

00:28:59.000 Or people that believe that they have been personally impacted by vaccines.

00:29:03.000 Do you think that these movements, Bobby being in that, Bobby Kennedy being, Secretary Kennedy being in the position that he's in, or Jay Bhattacharya, head of NIH, or Marty Makkari, head of FDA, and please, Lord, you potentially even working with the government, that there will be an appraisal where the received and accepted wisdom is that was full-on corrupt.

00:29:26.000 We were lied to.

00:29:28.000 Let's start looking at compensation and breaking up whatever relationships between regulatory bodies and big pharma existed that allowed this thing to happen.

00:29:38.000 Yeah, absolutely, Russell.

00:29:41.000 And what gives me the most confidence that that's going to happen is if you look at the executive order from the White House presidential order about make America healthy again, you know, no stone.

00:29:51.000 I mean, I was...

00:29:52.000 I'm pretty pleasantly surprised by reading that no stone has been left unturned, where at the heart of the issue is very clear that we understand, if you read between the lines, that commercial interests have corrupted health, healthcare and, you know, and this isn't just for the US, this applies to all around the world.

00:30:13.000 And you've got the right players in.

00:30:14.000 You're absolutely right.

00:30:15.000 You know, Bobby Kennedy hasn't pulled any punches already when he's come in.

00:30:20.000 And, you know, I know Jay Bhattacharya very well.

00:30:23.000 I consider him a great friend.

00:30:24.000 Marty, I've got to know recently.

00:30:26.000 Mehmet Oz as well.

00:30:27.000 I've had interaction with him, been texting him back and forth.

00:30:30.000 So, you know, all these people, I think, are very much aligned with what actually needs to happen, this inflection point, or I would say the...

00:30:40.000 The corporate tyrannical bubble bursting.

00:30:43.000 I think that's the best way to describe it.

00:30:45.000 Because, you know, what they've also mentioned in this objective order, which really heartened me, is the fact that they're organising this commission on looking at health through all sectors, Department of Housing, Department of Education, because actually that's another narrative that needs a lot more of a discussion, is that when you look at the evidence, Russell, and it's something I'm working on and writing about soon, probably...

00:31:09.000 To have some influence in the new administration.

00:31:12.000 Is that...

00:31:13.000 If you're watching us anywhere other than Rumble, we are going to depart.

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00:31:20.000 Join us over there.

00:31:20.000 Dr. S. Malhotra has got so many revelations and the ultimate revelation being, of course, that we need to have a spiritual awakening in order to make the kind of changes that are required.

00:31:29.000 80% of the variation in outcomes for people's health, okay?

00:31:34.000 Let me just give you an example of what that means.

00:31:37.000 If you look at the...

00:31:38.000 Differences in the wealthiest versus the poorest people in America in terms of life expectancy, it's about 10 years on average.

00:31:46.000 If you look at healthy life expectancy, it's 20 years.

00:31:51.000 And 80% of the variation in that difference is related to what we call the social determinants of health, but a better way to describe it is the building blocks for a healthy society.

00:32:02.000 We have to go back to square one and start from the beginning.

00:32:05.000 And that means, you know, good quality housing.

00:32:08.000 It means kids having, all kids having access to education.

00:32:11.000 It means having a decent income, right?

00:32:15.000 If you are, Michael Marmot is a professor in the UK, he's a world guru, a researcher in this area.

00:32:22.000 And he's written, I wrote about this in an article for the Kings when he said, if you are in a stressful job, you know, a low pay, High demand, low control job.

00:32:32.000 That can be more damaging to health because of stress than being unemployed.

00:32:37.000 The minimum wage in the United States at the moment is $7.25.

00:32:40.000 It certainly was pre-pandemic.

00:32:41.000 You have 30% less purchasing power on the minimum wage now in the US than you had 50 years ago.

00:32:47.000 So we talk about all these things about food and you're absolutely right.

00:32:50.000 And food is actually going to be key for sure in reversing the chronic disease pandemic.

00:32:54.000 But for a lot of people...

00:32:57.000 One, the food environment has more influence on our behaviour than what we think.

00:33:02.000 And ultra-processed food has saturated the whole food environment.

00:33:05.000 But this isn't just about people who are unfairly disadvantaged, Russell.

00:33:10.000 If you remember during the pandemic, Boris Johnson got hospitalised with COVID. I was the one that went public and made international news saying that it was likely because of his weight, because I spoke on Good Morning Britain, etc.

00:33:21.000 That's when Matt Hancock asked me to advise him.

00:33:24.000 And what we should do on COVID and obesity, etc.

00:33:26.000 And Boris is not someone who's from a poor background.

00:33:30.000 He's got everything available to him, right?

00:33:32.000 Let's be honest.

00:33:33.000 But the reason I'm saying that is, clearly it's something that is so...

00:33:37.000 What's the word?

00:33:39.000 It's permeated every aspect of our culture and our environment, that even people who are well-off are addicted to ultra-processed food.

00:33:46.000 So this conversation that we're having, of course we want to make sure that we have...

00:33:52.000 Everybody has a fair chance to lead the optimal life they want in terms of their health, and there are people who are more disadvantaged, but ultimately this affects everybody.

00:34:02.000 93% now of American adults, Russell, have what we call sub-optimal metabolic health.

00:34:08.000 93% of our adult Americans, that's extraordinary, are not in their optimal health at a basic level, at a basic level, right?

00:34:17.000 So this is something that...

00:34:18.000 We're all stakeholders in this.

00:34:22.000 And if you think about it, even if you put the jigsaw together, I look at this philosophically, I'm sure you agree with me.

00:34:29.000 Our individual health is also linked to our family's health, our friends' health, our community's health, our state's health.

00:34:34.000 We're all interconnected.

00:34:36.000 And therefore, it's like thinking about a football team, if you like.

00:34:40.000 You're only as strong as your weakest link.

00:34:41.000 So it is in all our interests that everybody else is also in the best possible position they can be for their health, in my view.

00:34:48.000 That's how you make America healthy again, and that's how you make America great again.

00:34:53.000 That was good.

00:34:54.000 That was a good ending.

00:34:55.000 We'll clip that.

00:34:57.000 People are like that.

00:34:58.000 We'll send that directly to the government.

00:35:03.000 There's a lot in that, mate.

00:35:07.000 Because it has permeated every level of society, and it's interesting to use an example of someone that, by most measures, you would, of course, have to regard as privileged, still falling foul to bad diet.

00:35:19.000 I customarily was thinking about myself and thinking, well, I'm a pretty tuned-in guy that's aware that you're meant to, you know, I... Do a bunch of physical exercise.

00:35:30.000 I eat pretty healthy.

00:35:32.000 I'm conscious of what I do. 0.60

00:35:34.000 And I still reckon I end up eating dumb things. 0.74

00:35:37.000 I still let my kids eat things that turn their fingers orange. 0.81

00:35:43.000 It's very difficult when something is systemic and immersive not to be impacted by it.

00:35:50.000 And one has to ask what is spiritually at the root?

00:35:55.000 Of such a pervasive problem.

00:35:57.000 Why would a culture do that to itself?

00:36:00.000 And you can sort of see, I'm becoming increasingly fascinated with the United States and was looking at the origins of its three branches of government, looking at the Constitution and how distinct the United States is on that basis from a country like ours.

00:36:15.000 It's sort of a wild said that, you know, we're two nations separated by a common language.

00:36:19.000 And because we speak the same language, I seem, as the Americans, I think we think...

00:36:24.000 Their country is the same, and plainly, it's not. 0.99

00:36:28.000 And it's peculiar to see how such comparatively modern and explicitly great ideals were over time corrupted, I believe, by industrialization and the subsequent...

00:36:47.000 in American industry were able to have on government and how that began to bias and bend the trajectory of American politics and cultural life.

00:36:57.000 Because you wouldn't have a situation where people were ingesting poison, both orally and in a variety of other ways for a big farmer, if there wasn't something way out of line.

00:37:12.000 They say, don't they, in our kind of independent media circles, it's not a bug, it's a feature.

00:37:20.000 But when you sort of pull back and look at, well, why would that happen?

00:37:24.000 Why would 70% of the world's calories come out of ultra-processed food?

00:37:28.000 Why would, you know, the source cited Dr. Asim Malhotra, the third biggest...

00:37:34.000 Cause of death globally be over-prescription of medicines or misdiagnosis or prescription of wrong medicines.

00:37:40.000 Well, it must be somehow the system's benefiting from it.

00:37:43.000 And to heart on about the coronavirus pandemic, whilst it was unique in some ways, what's most peculiar to me is that it simply revealed, due to the nature of the scale, something that was always present and hidden in plain sight.

00:38:01.000 If the interests of the state and the interests of, let's call them global corporations, align, the version of reality we receive will be highly curated and highly biased.

00:38:14.000 So, you know, as George Carly in the American comic says, Interests converge.

00:38:20.000 No conspiracy is necessary.

00:38:22.000 It just turned out that during the pandemic, it was beneficial to the state to have the opportunity to regulate, to keep people in their homes.

00:38:30.000 It was beneficial to Big Pharma to be able to create these profitable medicines that just so happen to grant them legal immunity.

00:38:38.000 So that's the only immunity anyone got, is the illegal immunity that they got for their product.

00:38:44.000 It was, in a sense, a perfect storm, but not unique.

00:38:47.000 I believe it was like a window that appeared for a moment.

00:38:51.000 That's why I think subsequently the world has changed so much.

00:38:54.000 So someone like you who could have been on their way out for being outspoken in areas where you're not supposed to be outspoken is actually now, because of the apocal shift that's taken place, on their way into a position of new power.

00:39:07.000 I'm just very curious about how that's going to be sustained.

00:39:09.000 Perhaps this is a good way of analysing this, Doctor, might be to say this.

00:39:16.000 The United States has clearly taken a different path.

00:39:19.000 We can see that when it comes to the Ukraine war.

00:39:21.000 We can see it when it's come to the executive order that you've referred to with regards to COVID or the appointment of some of these peripheral...

00:39:28.000 Heroes, like the men whose names we keep listing, from the outskirts to the heart of government.

00:39:35.000 But that's not happening everywhere.

00:39:37.000 In the United Kingdom, there was a kind of a very sort of insipid inquiry that took place, and I find it difficult to imagine the type of reckoning we're discussing in America taking place in the UK. But also, it's unavoidable.

00:39:48.000 We live in a global society, for good or for bad, now anyway.

00:39:52.000 So, if the US reappraises its entire approach, we've kind of come to a conclusion that not only was the pandemic The pandemic mishandled when it came to social and political initiatives.

00:40:01.000 initiatives it was mishandled through the remedies and covid do you think that the uk and its different direction when it comes to covid but a whole variety of other matters is going to be exposed as a result of what's happening and could it even be something that brings down keir starmer's government because let's face it in the uk people you know like moderna are getting good deals people are moving between government and moderna in particular

00:40:28.000 do you think this is the kind of thing that the differences between the uk and the us might expose some interesting trends and might bring about um conflict and surprise Yes.

00:40:42.000 Yeah, Russell, well, before I answer that question, just coming back to your earlier point which I think you're absolutely spot on about and we need to discuss is about this spiritual battle, if you like, because part of what has driven us to this point in terms of culturally is that we have become more disconnected, more materialistic, you know, and it's been exacerbated by these industries that make us believe that...

00:41:06.000 We can be the best or happiest versions of ourselves from eating junk food and various addictions that are going to give us these short-term dopamine hits.

00:41:18.000 But actually, when it comes back to what it means to be human, we know that ultimately, over time, that brings you into more of a state of depression.

00:41:25.000 I know you've gone through that yourself.

00:41:26.000 You've gone through that journey.

00:41:27.000 So you've got your own insight and understanding of this in a lot of depth.

00:41:32.000 And I think part of the conversation needs to happen.

00:41:36.000 To overcome this situation, to change the trajectory of the world and health is actually, what does it mean to be human?

00:41:44.000 And we've got a wealth of evidence.

00:41:46.000 We've got ancient wisdom.

00:41:47.000 We've got modern psychology that tells us that actually, you know, living, loving, learning, being connected to other people, quality of our relationships, contributing back to the community, you know, Doing work that you're passionate about.

00:42:07.000 Being honest with each other.

00:42:09.000 Speaking truthfully.

00:42:10.000 Being the best, you know, authentic selves.

00:42:12.000 This is how you get to a higher state of being.

00:42:16.000 And that is very much intertwined with everything else that's been going on.

00:42:19.000 And we're losing that.

00:42:21.000 And I think there is a groundswell of people that are pushing now, who are more spiritually connected, who through whatever journey or through their upbringing actually understand that better than other people.

00:42:33.000 And that's how we need a cultural shift to happen.

00:42:35.000 And of course, I've said this before and just briefly before I answer your question about the UK. I've given this diagnosis.

00:42:43.000 When you look at the upstream causes of the current health crisis, one of them is known as the commercial determinants or drivers of ill health, which is defined by strategies and approaches adopted by the private sector to promote products and choices.

00:43:00.000 That are detrimental or damaging to health.

00:43:02.000 Think about that.

00:43:03.000 They actually have a strategy to do that, to make money through deception, through getting you addicted to whatever.

00:43:08.000 Social media, whether it's junk food, whether it's online porn or whatever you want to talk about.

00:43:16.000 But there was an offshoot of that, which I came up with, based upon the big corporations, which are really the dominant power in the world right now.

00:43:25.000 More than most governments, right?

00:43:27.000 And that is that their diagnosis as legal entities is because it's so narrowly focused on producing profit.

00:43:33.000 They don't care about human values.

00:43:35.000 They care about human profit alone.

00:43:36.000 And they have been diagnosed as being psychopathic in their pursuit for money.

00:43:40.000 So you can understand the downstream effects of that is also going to have a negative effect on our culture and the way people behave and is going to take us away from those basic human values and principles of what it means to be human.

00:43:51.000 So I think it's just important to mention that.

00:43:53.000 So you're absolutely spot on in that diagnosis you've come to yourself, Russell.

00:43:56.000 In terms of the UK, I think in many ways it's interesting.

00:44:00.000 I've had some insights myself, personal insights, because I've taken my knowledge and understanding of what's happened with the COVID vaccine, the root cause of it, to politicians, to the Conservative Party, to members of the Labour Party, to senior members of the Labour Party, who in their own right have listened to me and understood it and been shocked and have been convinced.

00:44:21.000 But themselves have been too scared to speak out.

00:44:24.000 Right?

00:44:25.000 And therefore, what is the way around this?

00:44:27.000 And what's happened?

00:44:28.000 How can we explain what happened in America versus what happened in the UK? Thinking aloud, I think some of it could be that Americans' health has been, to a large degree, worse than that of the UK. And we know when population health gets worse, you have less trust in government.

00:44:44.000 So there was that opportunity for a change to happen.

00:44:48.000 But I think what also has been massively influential in even the presidential election are the likes of Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:44:55.000 But being given a platform from the likes of Tucker Carlson, from Joe Rogan, who have got now more influence and reach.

00:45:02.000 Russell Brand, right, having more impact and reach.

00:45:06.000 Speaking the truth in a way that resonates with people's souls, which is way more powerful and kind of breaks through for many people this kind of cloud of ignorance that has been so dominant in our lives.

00:45:21.000 But in a way that is articulated, that makes sense, that they think, hold on a minute, this is exactly, you know, they've had more skepticism of the mainstream media now.

00:45:30.000 I think a lot of it has also become more apparent to people, and I predicted this from the COVID vaccine being given to so many people and so many people being harmed, that once it gets out through a Joe Rogan podcast with Robert Malone or Peter McCullough...

00:45:45.000 Suddenly there's a ripple effect, and then everybody else comes in and gives their explanation of what's going on, and then suddenly you get Trump almost from the underdog, from everything that he went through in the four years of the Democrat government after he was president to try and even jail him.

00:46:04.000 He comes almost as an underdog because of everything that happened as a result of this awakening.

00:46:14.000 Him saying something that I never thought he would say is almost contradicting the neoliberal economic model of Milton Friedman, which is where all of this really started to go wrong in the 80s in the United States, where he said, essentially, corporations, rather than being stakeholders for everybody, should really be narrowly focused on private profits.

00:46:32.000 He said, essentially, that it is immoral for big corporations to put...

00:46:40.000 People ahead of profits.

00:46:42.000 In other words, profits should be always ahead of people.

00:46:44.000 Trump comes out on the Joe Rogan podcast and makes a speech and says, if we find that these big corporations and big pharma have been putting profits ahead of people, they will be held accountable.

00:46:53.000 And he may not have even realized that, but that is a massive shift for him.

00:46:57.000 So I think we have all the ingredients, Russell.

00:46:59.000 We're not going to be complacent about it to really change the system, but we need to understand the root cause.

00:47:06.000 And the real root cause...

00:47:08.000 That everything else is permeated down from is the economic system.

00:47:13.000 It's crony capitalism.

00:47:14.000 I'm for free markets completely.

00:47:16.000 Let me make this clear.

00:47:17.000 But Adam Smith, the brainchild in 7076 of the free market economy, said markets function best on perfect information.

00:47:25.000 We have an economic system where big corporations and millionaires and oligarchs, in many cases, are not making their money through merit, through doing good things, through giving you a product or a drug.

00:47:37.000 That is going to serve the interests of you and the public, but through mass deception.

00:47:44.000 And once people understand that, and I don't think Trump fully gets that yet, but I think he will, then we can actually create a better economic system that actually benefits everybody.

00:47:56.000 Does that answer your question?

00:47:58.000 It answers a lot of questions.

00:48:00.000 But I don't think we're there in the UK because we haven't, it's interesting, we had a Conservative government.

00:48:05.000 Now, you say could, you know, Could this collapse the Labour government eventually?

00:48:09.000 Listen, they're not particularly popular, but what we need is we need an alternative.

00:48:13.000 I've had a meeting with Nigel Farage, I've spoken to senior members of the Conservative Party who are very interested in what I'm potentially doing in America and want this to understand how we can influence health in the UK. If the Labour government is going to do anything about this, there needs to be a massive change in understanding from within.

00:48:34.000 Okay, we're going down the wrong trajectory here.

00:48:36.000 We shouldn't be having, you know, alliances with the likes of, you know, strong alliances and influential alliances with the likes of Bill Gates, who is actually part of the old order.

00:48:48.000 Now, I'm all for people changing.

00:48:50.000 If Bill Gates suddenly comes out and says, listen, I've just realized that everything I've been doing or a proportion of my work and my influence is actually having a negative impact and I'm going to change my trajectory, good for him.

00:49:03.000 I will be the first to embrace it and say, you know what, let's give people the benefit of the doubt that they can change their mind.

00:49:09.000 You know, people can break good as well as people can break bad.

00:49:12.000 So, but, until all of that happens systemically, I don't think that, you know, we need a strong opposition that is going to change the narrative in the UK. And I can't see that yet, Russell.

00:49:24.000 So I think there's potential, but I can't see that happening yet.

00:49:27.000 Because this, again, to my point that the COVID period, Granted us, in the same way that light striking a prison might be broken down into its component parts, or at least we might see the different ways that information can be dissected.

00:49:48.000 The pandemic provided just such an opportunity and I think that's why the consequences are so far-reaching and the fact that you arrived at the name of Bill Gates must surely be significant because he's one of the avatars of globalism and it seems that what sort of fundamentally happened in the UK is the UK are choosing the path of ongoing bureaucratic globalism as opposed to sort of emergent nationalism.

00:50:10.000 One of the questions we've been talking about is whether nationalism can be...

00:50:14.000 Inclusive, and my personal belief is that it is, that nationalism needn't necessarily be racist or exclusive, that nationalism...

00:50:23.000 I believe in a thing called national socialism, that as long as it's a socialist form of nationalism, that there'll be absolutely no problems.

00:50:33.000 But what I mean to say...

00:50:35.000 I see.

00:50:36.000 Is that with Trump's sort of casual and maybe inadvertent remark on Rogan that he would invert the principles of Friedman economics, i.e.

00:50:48.000 that of course profit is a likely outcome of business conducted well, but what we've experienced is incremental biases to the point of...

00:51:01.000 That indeed, the first thing you remove is perfect information.

00:51:06.000 Because if you have control over the media environment, you can ensure that the information is not perfect, but beneficial and advantageous to those same elite interests.

00:51:15.000 This has been happening again and again and again over time, to the point where technology...

00:51:20.000 Ultimately, it's created the change.

00:51:22.000 I say this a lot, I seem, that Andrew Breitbart is credited with the phrase that politics is downstream from culture.

00:51:30.000 But I would add, culture is downstream from technology.

00:51:34.000 One of the first things that's shifted as a result of technological change is the type of media that you described, which is decentralized, diffuse, difficult to control.

00:51:46.000 And I would say, curiously, It gives us the opportunity to access something like perfect information when we aggregate it.

00:51:56.000 Of course, it requires aggregation.

00:51:59.000 But what we're experiencing now in the information sphere, Doctor, is an attempt for them to control that process of aggregation via the creation of the categories of disinformation and misinformation.

00:52:11.000 But that's very much at odds with what's happening organically.

00:52:16.000 What we...

00:52:17.000 What is sometimes hard for me to comprehend when we consider how we've gotten into this position is that you said near the beginning of your answer that we have to go back to step one.

00:52:31.000 The health of any nation, America or the UK or any nation, is connected to matters like poverty, nutrition, and these issues are connected to such...

00:52:45.000 Powerful and entrenchant interests that to address them, it requires something very radical.

00:52:52.000 I met someone you must be familiar with, Jim O'Brien, who works with Robert Kennedy at the HHS, I believe his deputy secretary.

00:53:01.000 At least that's the last time I checked in, that's what was going on.

00:53:05.000 I said to him, even if you just take one sort of pathway, look at what tangentially this might take us to see.

00:53:11.000 If you take just one pathway, like they say that 20% of food stamps are cashed in order to get sugary drinks.

00:53:19.000 You know, like people that are on welfare in the US use their food stamps to acquire sugary drinks, the very kind of food that you, Cali means, everyone will tell us we shouldn't be drinking.

00:53:32.000 The reason they get sugary drinks, probably there's economic reasons for that, and there's all sorts of imperatives that are pretty entrenched, probably just to do with lobbying and donations.

00:53:39.000 If you were to sort of try and alter just that...

00:53:43.000 One issue and say, we want food stamps to primarily be exchanged for organic, locally sourced food that will be healthy and beneficial.

00:53:51.000 But now you've looped in big agriculture, big pharma, big food.

00:53:57.000 So many interests are benefiting.

00:53:59.000 It's not accidental that what you described with poverty creating, like sort of making people sick.

00:54:06.000 Poverty makes people sick.

00:54:07.000 Bad food makes people sick.

00:54:09.000 Bad medicine makes people sick.

00:54:10.000 And back to my...

00:54:12.000 My sort of chief point of the day.

00:54:15.000 Whilst the pandemic might have been dreadful for you because, you know, you lost your dad and you took a medication that weren't good for you.

00:54:21.000 It might have been bad for me because I got locked in my house.

00:54:24.000 And it might have been bad for all those people that died as a result of vaccine injuries or died as a result of the virus itself.

00:54:31.000 Some people benefit hugely.

00:54:34.000 There was a massive wealth transfer.

00:54:36.000 So if, whether it's an apparently unique event, And a crisis that is beneficial to elites and the system as a whole while being hugely detrimental to the whole population or you consider that taking place over time and exacerbating over time.

00:54:53.000 If the interests of the people are at odds with the most powerful institutions in the world only revolution can address that.

00:55:05.000 The way that government appears to work is by increment, is by compromise, whether that's the UK government, which I think is corrupt, or the American government that started off pretty fantastic and well and has become corrupted over time.

00:55:19.000 So, you know, I feel sort of oddly optimistic now, and you feel optimistic now, but in a way, it's going to require, like...

00:55:27.000 Odd and anomalous creatures like Trump that are radical in the most bizarre way.

00:55:34.000 He's not a career politician.

00:55:37.000 So, one, are you confident that even the men like Bhattacharya, Amai Makkari, Dr Oz, you, Kali Means, all are in Siri?

00:55:50.000 All these sort of powerful radical figures, do you think that they're going to be able to wrench and manoeuvre this vast and corrupt system?

00:55:58.000 And again, if you could fold into that answer, what does a country like the UK do where there is no comparable movement and maybe not even the possibility for such a movement unless you had something really bizarre like Andrew Bridgen, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, people from weird and tangential political backgrounds aligning for some sort of essentially populist, anti-globalist kind of party that was drawn from the left and right.

00:56:25.000 So in America, Which is further along with these arguments.

00:56:29.000 Do you think you can be successful using the levers of government?

00:56:32.000 And in the UK, could this lead to a kind of new populism, even if it was this single issue that was the inflection point?

00:56:40.000 Yeah, well, I think in terms of UK, you know, we tend to follow what America does. 0.69

00:56:43.000 And I think, you know, if America gets this sorted, the rest of the world will follow, Russell.

00:56:47.000 I just think because it's such a powerful country and has so much influence over the world, I think that's going to...

00:56:52.000 and these issues are actually systemic in probably most of the western world if not even some of the emerging developing countries India is just as bad now in terms of this issue of ultra-processed food for example the largest democracy in the world and they've got massive explosion of type 2 diabetes heart disease etc etc so I think other other countries will follow for sure in terms of whether I feel confident I'm as confident as I've ever been to be honest I think because we've got the I think the other thing is they've set targets.

00:57:17.000 They're not going into this vague.

00:57:19.000 Bobby Kennedy, if you remember...

00:57:20.000 When he was running for president, he says if he's not reversed the chronic disease epidemic in children or in adults by the first term as president, he will resign.

00:57:32.000 He said again that we want to see demonstrable results within two years.

00:57:37.000 So as long as we have the right minds and we address the root cause and everybody's talking to each other.

00:57:43.000 And also I think there's another interesting area which I think needs to be explored a little bit, Russell.

00:57:49.000 He said that people benefited.

00:57:50.000 They benefited financially, but they didn't benefit morally or spiritually.

00:57:55.000 And I think that...

00:57:57.000 No, but it's true, because these people, I don't think these people are particularly happy.

00:58:02.000 We actually look at the evidence base, and I meet many people who are so-called very wealthy and famous, and they're some of the most miserable people I've ever met, to be perfectly honest with you.

00:58:11.000 So I think giving them also a solution that they can actually be in a position where they genuinely feel happier.

00:58:18.000 And realize that a lot of that happiness isn't going to come from exploiting vulnerable people, but actually changing the way that they approach life.

00:58:25.000 I think all of that is actually going to help change the system.

00:58:28.000 But also, even from an economic perspective, it's market failure.

00:58:31.000 Because, you know, as we said, if you're producing a product that doesn't do what it says on the tin, and we're medicating masses of the population with drugs that can do more harm than good, everybody's affected.

00:58:43.000 It's all going to ultimately collapse.

00:58:44.000 So we've got to...

00:58:45.000 I think still at the very highest level are the likes of Gates and maybe Zuckerberg, you know, and Jeff Bezos, for example.

00:58:54.000 I think a lot of these people don't fully understand the situation.

00:58:57.000 Nobody understands the big picture.

00:58:58.000 I think once that conversation starts happening...

00:59:01.000 In addition to the grassroots movement, in addition to the podcasts and the discussions and the cultural shift and families talking about it, and the legacy media, I think, is now lagging behind.

00:59:14.000 Alternative media, in a way, in terms of its popularity and influence.

00:59:17.000 They're going to have to start catching up and shifting.

00:59:19.000 I think we're in the right trajectory.

00:59:22.000 We've got to just hope and pray that things will move in the right direction.

00:59:28.000 You know, I didn't expect to be in this position, to be honest, that I've got potential influence over the health of the United States.

00:59:34.000 You know, Bobby Kennedy, I remember him saying these words, which resonated with me, and I know it resonates with you.

00:59:40.000 When you speak the truth, which is most important, you've got to let go of the outcome.

00:59:46.000 What's interesting about where this conversation is continually bending is that...

00:59:57.000 The spiritual component is not sort of peripheral or secondary.

01:00:01.000 It's ulterior, absolute and defining.

01:00:05.000 You can't make even small changes last or impactful unless they are undergirded by an absolute principle.

01:00:14.000 There's a theological singularity that arrives where even apparently and almost definitively Diffuse ideas such as secularism and a spiritual perspective ultimately combine when you consider that when someone talks about common sense, like I can imagine that the kind of conversations you'll be having, that Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Ross et al.

01:00:41.000 will be having, will...

01:00:43.000 Kind of coalesce around an idea of common sense.

01:00:46.000 I mean it's common sense to eat healthy food.

01:00:48.000 It's common sense not to take drugs indefinitely.

01:00:51.000 It's common sense to exercise.

01:00:53.000 It's common sense that large corporations should be accountable and that government bureaucracy should be transparent.

01:00:59.000 But when you say common sense, what you're actually saying is there's an absolute principle.

01:01:04.000 If there's an absolute principle, if there's such a thing as right and wrong, that's an indication that there are laws in the universe.

01:01:11.000 Now, it seems ridiculous that we would even have to iterate such a fact because the universe is almost by definition laws.

01:01:19.000 That's how you have a universe because of gravity and molecular magnetism, etc.

01:01:25.000 So we're having to kind of accept, one, whether you believe in God or not.

01:01:31.000 There appear to be some absolute principles.

01:01:33.000 And from those absolute principles, you kind of derive ideas like rights and duty and justice.

01:01:41.000 And those ideas have been, by secularism and materialism and rationalism, a whole host of post-enlightenment values, have been sort of managed and manipulated primarily to lead us to a place where human power is the apex and what humans decide and determine can constitute the way that systems are set up.

01:02:01.000 When you say something like Bill Gates, the reason I laugh is because I sort of...

01:02:05.000 I agree with you that on some level, even when someone's got a great deal of power, like Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Elon Musk or anyone that's got a great deal of power, it's easy for me to sort of see them as sort of a separate entity from me.

01:02:18.000 They're not subject to what I'm subject to.

01:02:20.000 But when we have this conversation, I seem we vacillate continually between I can when we talk about like this is so personal and intimate as it affects me and my family and my mates.

01:02:32.000 They're drinking too much sugar or eating crap food or have become drug addicts or having heart attacks.

01:02:38.000 It's you know, it's anecdotal. 0.98

01:02:39.000 It's personal.

01:02:40.000 It's immediate.

01:02:41.000 But it's so macro that it affects the most powerful, powerful institutions and forces on Earth, the U.S. government, big pharma, NGOs that have a great deal of power and influence.

01:02:52.000 Bureaucratic entities like the World Health Organization that have a great deal of power and influence.

01:02:55.000 But there's a bigger power even than that.

01:02:58.000 And that is God.

01:02:59.000 And in the end, that's where if we don't find our way to either actually God or an agreement that it's inverted commas might as well be God because it means values like kindness and love and service and acting in good faith.

01:03:14.000 You know, it just amounts to God because it's God-inspired ethics.

01:03:17.000 You know, it just makes me feel like, like you said, there's hope while significantly recognising...

01:03:24.000 Nothing short of an individual contribution from each of us and radical change from all of us is the required outcome here.

01:03:34.000 And I guess the reason I keep moving between the UK and the US is because I stay in the US a lot these days and I love it here.

01:03:41.000 And because I actually know some of these people in government like you.

01:03:44.000 So I'm like, hold on a minute.

01:03:46.000 Not only are these sort of competent people, these are...

01:03:48.000 Actual beautiful people.

01:03:50.000 Beautiful people that I would, like, sort of turn to for, like, advice on how to raise my kids and stuff.

01:03:57.000 You know, like, what should I do about my...

01:03:59.000 I'm worried about my daughter.

01:04:00.000 You know, like, decent, decent, decent people.

01:04:03.000 Not like, you know, when I've...

01:04:04.000 Like, some of the people I've interacted with in the UK, I seem.

01:04:07.000 And it's like, you know you're dealing with ciphers. 0.94

01:04:10.000 They're not bad people, but they've been co-opted and captured by sort of an ideology that doesn't afford them real power.

01:04:16.000 You know, because you've spoke to some of these people.

01:04:18.000 Well, they don't have real power.

01:04:19.000 They're in some sort of quivering, high-frequency state of just trying to maintain their role within a particular system.

01:04:26.000 But if they did speak out honestly and go, actually, I'm a bit worried about these vaccines.

01:04:29.000 My kid took these shots and then they were different the next day.

01:04:33.000 You know, I'm not even talking about COVID vaccines now.

01:04:34.000 I'm talking about sort of general vaccine schedule.

01:04:37.000 Anyway, so we have to approach this, don't we, whether it's in media or in medicine, from a place of good faith.

01:04:44.000 And it seems to me that's something that's quite natural to you, Asim, that you'd look at this as a man of God one way or another.

01:04:51.000 Yeah, I know for sure.

01:04:53.000 And I think, yeah, we have to have.

01:04:55.000 I mean, ultimately, I think there is something very resilient about the human spirit, you know, that we can overcome tragedies and obstacles and keep moving forward.

01:05:06.000 It's just innate in us.

01:05:08.000 And I think in the same way.

01:05:09.000 Although people can be cynical, and that's fine.

01:05:12.000 I think a healthy cynicism, there's nothing wrong with that.

01:05:13.000 It keeps us on our toes.

01:05:15.000 I think that I feel, certainly when I've been going around the world giving lectures and kind of exposing the big picture to people, and a lot of them are shocked, people come away saying, I feel hopeful.

01:05:27.000 But it does need the right kind of leadership to guide people as well, to give them that hope and give them that.

01:05:33.000 Because what's happened really during the pandemic, and certainly with the COVID vaccine, Russell, if you break it down, there's nothing short of horrific.

01:05:40.000 I mean, it's an absolute horror of what's happened with this mass injection of something that should never have been put into a single human in the first place, most likely.

01:05:49.000 So, you know, it's a lot to take in.

01:05:51.000 I mean, I have dark moments when I sit there and think, bloody hell, it's a living nightmare.

01:05:55.000 But there's something that keeps me going, something that keeps us going, and that's hope for a different future.

01:06:00.000 And the other thing as well, you know, it's interesting to talk about God.

01:06:05.000 I think Buddha taught us that you don't have to believe in God to lead the moral life.

01:06:10.000 And in my own spiritual journey, and certainly becoming probably more aligned with Buddhist principles that make sense to me, because it's science of the mind, it's more almost like psychiatry or psychology, really, when you read Buddhism, is that the importance of free speech and allowing everybody to have their say is you don't get to a greater truth until everybody is allowed to give their opinion.

01:06:29.000 And that's what you alluded to earlier.

01:06:31.000 And getting to a greater truth also means listening, and it means having the ability to change your mind.

01:06:36.000 And having your ability to change your mind is also linked to compassion and humility, right?

01:06:40.000 So that's why it's important, even from a rational perspective, it's important for us to listen to each other and understand and be not afraid and create a culture where...

01:06:55.000 You know, people shouldn't be afraid to say, you know what, I thought this at a certain time.

01:06:59.000 I believed it strongly.

01:07:00.000 I was vociferous about saying, you know, we should mandate vaccines.

01:07:04.000 But you know what?

01:07:05.000 Information's changed.

01:07:06.000 I realized I didn't, you know, I was thinking with good intent, but I realized that was wrong.

01:07:10.000 And let's have a discussion on how we move forward.

01:07:13.000 And sorry, the point I was going to make, which is quite interesting, when we talk about God, in Hinduism, the word for God is Bhagavan.

01:07:20.000 You might know that, right?

01:07:21.000 Bhagavan.

01:07:22.000 But the literal translation of Bhagavan, It's all-knowing.

01:07:27.000 All-knowing.

01:07:28.000 So, actually, what we are all, ideally, to get to a higher state of being, to progress, to a greater truth, is through information, and information that's shared freely amongst everybody.

01:07:40.000 And that's what, in my view, that's another way of looking at what, you know, sort of the direction towards God is, right?

01:07:50.000 That's what it is.

01:07:50.000 It's actually knowledge.

01:07:52.000 But that knowledge, you can only get to a greater knowledge through having a compassionate mind.

01:07:58.000 Yes, and I agree with you that virtue is potentially possible without God.

01:08:08.000 I'm a follower of Jesus Christ.

01:08:11.000 I believe that when you hear in Exodus...

01:08:19.000 God's discourse with Moses, he says, I am.

01:08:23.000 There is something deeply personal, present, and immediate, and outside of time that's accessible.

01:08:29.000 The reality isn't what we think it is.

01:08:32.000 Reality is what we perceive through our limited senses and our sub-optimal capacity to process knowledge.

01:08:39.000 Yet, via something discreet from the senses, we can access the awareness that there is another reality.

01:08:49.000 And when I say another reality, an all-encompassing, ever-present reality that is not confined by the senses, of course it couldn't be.

01:08:58.000 It would be preposterous to assume that the exact number of instruments we have are sufficient to consume all potential realities.

01:09:08.000 I mean, we already know just through magnification and through animals that receive different light ranges that there are other present realities that we...

01:09:17.000 We cannot detect due to the limitations of our instruments.

01:09:21.000 And I think if you can sort of cogitate on that, just even within the language and lexicon of the senses, imagine what's beyond our vocabulary and our ability to even discern.

01:09:39.000 Yet somehow within it all, there is love, there is justice.

01:09:43.000 I guess where this conversation has taken me, Doctor, is that we are at an exciting and pivotal moment because the crisis of the pandemic showed us that the way that information was being used was beneficial to existing institutions.

01:09:59.000 They took it too far.

01:10:00.000 It's created a fissure and a fracture.

01:10:02.000 And as a result of that, people that were on the edges have been put in the centre.

01:10:06.000 And people that were in the centre might now be moving to the edges.

01:10:09.000 That's not entirely happened, I suppose, because Ursula von der Leyen is still powerful.

01:10:13.000 Albert Baller is still powerful.

01:10:15.000 Keir Starmer is the Prime Minister in the UK. But I feel that we might be about to experience something that's, as you said, radical.

01:10:22.000 Dr. Malhotra, I've got to wrap it up now.

01:10:25.000 I just want to reiterate, as I told everyone at the beginning of the interview, that Dr. Malhotra's latest health program is a five-ingredient diet that helps to reverse diabetes and lower blood pressure called Metabolic Reset.

01:10:38.000 You can visit metabolicreset.com for more.

01:10:44.000 For more information.

01:10:47.000 Remember, we must embrace and celebrate physicians and medics like...

01:10:52.000 Dr. Asim Malhotra, because the combination of science and decency and kindness now appears to be on its way back to the centre, blessedly, but for a while it seemed to me like the scientific and medical profession had been captured and co-opted, and blessedly that appears to be over now, so we must embrace and support Dr. Malhotra wherever we can.

01:11:12.000 Thank you for joining us today, Doc.

01:11:15.000 Thank you, Russell.

01:11:15.000 Always lovely to speak to you.

01:11:17.000 Thank you, Dr. C. Malhotra, for joining us today.

01:11:20.000 You're always a brilliant guest.

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01:11:34.000 I don't know.

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01:11:55.000 What may be the implications of historic trauma or tragedies and how that affects us today?

01:12:01.000 It's not to say...

01:12:03.000 You know, I'm trying to make you feel guilty or you're better than me or I'm better than you.

01:12:07.000 It's just to say, hey, man, you've been through some trauma.

01:12:10.000 Russell's been through trauma.

01:12:11.000 Do I consider that when I'm addressing Russell?

01:12:13.000 Or do I just say, oh, man, you're a human.

01:12:14.000 I'm a human.

01:12:15.000 Who cares if you were addicted to drugs before?

01:12:17.000 That has no bearing on your life today.

01:12:20.000 I don't think that's wise and I don't think that's compassionate or kind.

01:12:23.000 But more important than any of that, if you can, please stay free.

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