Dr. Asim Malhotra is a brilliant and significant voice when it comes to understanding the role of big pharma and the obligations of medics and doctors in a time of corruption and deception. If you saw Trump make a rare misstep in front of a crowd when introducing CEO of Pfizer, Albert Baller, and the boo that went up, you'll know this subject that divides people precisely because it was an issue that awoke folk.
00:02:32.000Thank you for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
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00:02:41.000It's a fantastic new way to access information on a brilliant new week with, hopefully, a brand new pandemic.
00:02:49.000You've only just gone over your last pandemic.
00:02:52.000Can't need another pandemic and yet they are discussing it.
00:02:55.000How will legacy media figures handle this new information?
00:03:00.000Will the mainstream media support it and go out to bat for new measures and new restrictions?
00:03:06.000Or will in this changing global configuration alternative voices reign supreme?
00:03:12.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that while you still can.
00:03:16.000Because you know one of the things they tend to do with these new pandemics is just...
00:03:23.000That's just one of the things I'll be talking to Dr. Asim Malhotra about.
00:03:28.000He is a brilliant and significant voice when it comes to understanding the role of big pharma and the obligations of medics and doctors in a time of corruption and deception.
00:03:37.000If you saw Trump make a rare misstep in front of a crowd when introducing CEO of Pfizer, Albert Baller, and the boo that went up, you'll know this is a subject that divides people precisely because it was an issue that awoke folk.
00:03:51.000New coronavirus with potential to cause pandemic discovered in China.
00:03:56.000Thank God the good people in Wuhan are still dedicating their time and effort to creating new novel viruses.
00:04:05.000Did you learn anything in the last couple of years, guys?
00:04:08.000Yeah, one thing I learned is we should definitely keep up gain-of-function research.
00:04:12.000How else will we stay ahead of the curve when it comes to the creation of vaccines?
00:04:17.000I'm beginning to think we should withdraw funding from any...
00:04:20.000In Wuhan, even if they're working on, I don't know, something like sort of cookies or air fresheners, just stop giving them money.
00:04:28.000In a minute, we'll be talking about the revelation out of Yale that unique, rare and disturbing conditions have emerged in connection to the COVID vaccines.
00:04:38.000And what we were calling long COVID was, as we had long suspected, Long vaccine.
00:04:46.000It ain't long COVID that's making you ill.
00:05:01.000Now, thanks to this extraordinary conversation between Joe Rogan and Woody Halston, we're getting...
00:05:07.000I suppose in the form of Woody Harrelson, from a somewhat mainstream figure, we're at least getting some honest debate.
00:05:15.000Woody Harrelson was pretty bold when he went on SNL, wasn't he, and sort of pitched a thriller, and in so doing, described the actual conditions of the pandemic.
00:05:24.000Here he is on Joe Rogan, claiming that Anthony Fauci is perhaps naked, raw, evil.
00:07:14.000Pretty extraordinary, isn't it, that now reality is caught up with the conspiracy theorists?
00:07:19.000I see Malhotra's conversation is something that's going to really help you understand just how right you were.
00:07:25.000Woody Harrelson, coming from that extraordinary kind of eco-hippie, liberal, pot-smoking, hemp-wearing perspective, is now on the same side as many people that were kind of oddly judged as being on the right.
00:07:42.000Secretary Kennedy is perhaps the defining figure of this movement because of that book, among other things.
00:07:48.000Now, this is an appraisal that's going to have to go pretty deep because...
00:07:51.000Look at this story from the mainstream papers.
00:07:53.000From the looks of it, it's the Mail Online.
00:07:56.000Vaccine victims left disabled after taking COVID jab react to bombshell Yale study that found shots cause extreme body changes.
00:08:03.000It's just revelation after revelation.
00:08:06.000And this guest on Rogan, Chase Hughes, says that he believed the COVID response to be a full-blown psyop.
00:08:15.000Now, how long will it be until we get the reckoning that's required?
00:08:20.000Because the reckoning warranted by COVID, the pandemic and what we've subsequently learned, I believe means that regulatory bodies are going to have to be completely reinvigorated.
00:08:32.000Pharmaceutical industries owe a lot of money to a lot of injured people and government officials right the way up to positions of leadership, I'm talking about the Prime Minister of the UK, I believe are vulnerable and indicted by these revelations.
00:08:47.000How deep are their relationships with Big Pharma?
00:08:50.000Why do people from Moderna keep getting jobs within government agencies and vice versa?
00:08:55.000What are we being told or shown in plain sight?
00:08:59.000By this entrenchant and unfurling corruption.
00:09:03.000Here, Chase Hughes tells Joe Rogan that the entire COVID period was a psyop.
00:09:08.000Let me know in the comments and chat if you agree with that.
00:09:11.000If you're watching me on Locals, we're going to do a fantastic show today.
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00:09:16.000If you're watching us on X or YouTube, we'll be with you for about 20 minutes so you can see a little bit of Dr. Asimah Hotra, but then we'll be exclusively available on our home Rumble.
00:09:25.000Do you think that someone sat in a room?
00:09:27.000And that people discuss the best ways to get people to comply?
00:09:48.000One thing, and you can spot whether or not you're standing in the middle of a psyop.
00:09:52.000That one thing is, if the opinion that's coming out, Needs people to be silenced, it's a PSYOP. There are psychological operations in play.
00:10:04.000So if you can't question it, if you're supposed to just go along, it's a PSYOP. Yeah, and if people have to be silenced or publicly shamed because of their information, and they're not telling people the sky is falling, they're not saying crazy shit, they're just saying basic stuff and they need to be silenced.
00:10:25.000That is a PSYOP. No matter what, you can go back any time in history during a PSYOP of our country, and if people needed to be silenced or shamed publicly, which is like the tribe, right?
00:10:36.000That's why public speaking is our number one fear for humans.
00:10:40.000It's not a fear of speaking, it's a fear of judgment.
00:10:43.000So I'm just putting the threat of judgment out there.
00:10:46.000That is a PSYOP. So if people have to be silenced, and they were Harvard doctors.
00:10:53.000Kicked off of the internet or kicked off.
00:10:57.000Yeah, that's Stanford MIT Yeah, that's all you need.
00:11:01.000Yeah, the the Great Barrington Declaration People didn't agree with exactly how the government was handling everything and they were silenced and they were treated like fringe Quacks instead of respected physicians and It was openly discussed in emails That's what's really crazy they They talked about the strategy of silencing these people.
00:11:25.000And then you had the actual government itself contacting Twitter trying to get people removed, which is wild.
00:11:50.000The pandemic period was a window into which we were able to glimpse and see state corruption, globalism, pharmaceutical corruption, the tendency of big tech to collaborate with governments when it comes to censorship.
00:12:05.000In short, it was an awakening for us all.
00:12:10.000God, that I never took any of those products.
00:12:13.000Let me know in the comments in chat if you did take them.
00:12:15.000Let me know if you think you've got a right to sue your government because sure as hell the pharmaceutical companies aren't paying their own debts.
00:12:21.000Governments are carrying the financial burdens that those pharmaceutical companies should be carrying.
00:12:28.000Certainly in this new media landscape, it's going to be impossible for them to avoid the reckoning that's due.
00:12:33.000I'll be talking about that and more with Asim Malhotra.
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00:14:02.000But it's time now to introduce my fantastic guest, Dr. Asim Malhotra.
00:14:08.000Dr. Asim Malhotra is a consultant cardiologist who had been boldly outspoken about various cardiological drugs earlier in his career.
00:14:16.000career but in the pandemic he came to prominence through a very brave stance uh when it came to his own vaccine use and his the consequences on him personally and on his family from the vaccines uh you should support him in this endeavor there's a diabetes and metabolic drive that he's participating in there's a link to that in the description now and you should follow him on social media dr asim malhotra thanks so much for joining us today always great to see you my friend
00:14:41.000I feel that you're one of the people that's defined my personal journey, both in independent media and as someone who's understood COVID, medicine, globalism, corruption, the relationship between government and big pharma, the way that media functions.
00:14:58.000That's because when we first spoke, you were sort of almost still in the respected world of medicine that belongs to the mainstream.
00:15:10.000Rejected, turned into a pariah, but newly embraced as power appears to have shifted in a major way.
00:15:18.000And medics and doctors and medical professionals like you, that are people of integrity, seem to be moving now to positions of prominence and new authority.
00:15:31.000Dr. Malhotra, it must be astonishing to have gone on that rollercoaster ride.
00:15:36.000And I suppose that what the pandemic did...
00:15:39.000It was like being on the back of a dragon for a minute.
00:15:43.000No one knew where it was going to lead us all.
00:15:45.000We knew that something fundamental and pivotal was happening.
00:15:50.000That we were going to just have to live with it.
00:15:52.000The idea that we'd been misled about the origins of COVID, the nature and impact of COVID, the nature of the vaccines, its impact and its side effects.
00:16:03.000It's a story that's so vast and pulls in so many tendrils.
00:16:07.000I wonder where you stand on it now, now that it appears we're at a new level of revelation when it comes to COVID and the vaccines and their impact, with even naysayers and cynics like Piers.
00:16:19.000There's Morgan now getting on board in particular.
00:16:22.000Can you tell us where you see us as being in this narrative and what you imagine will happen next, particularly as a result of the letter that you and I spoke about online that changed Piers' perspective?
00:16:39.000I must say that I think we've had influence on each other, but you've certainly been one of the most outspoken people that has Brilliantly understood and then articulated the status quo in a way that countered the conventional narrative, but actually has been increasingly proven to be correct.
00:16:59.000So for me, you know, it's an interesting one, this journey, because up until the pandemic, certainly I was probably one of the most outspoken people who was challenging the conventional narrative on Big Pharma, Big Food, exposing their manipulations and excesses.
00:17:19.000And therefore, you know, we've discussed this before, but just for people that don't know, you know, I was one of the first to adopt take two doses of Pfizer.
00:17:28.000I went on Good Morning Britain at that stage because it was only being recommended for high risk patients.
00:17:33.000It was good for them, even though I knew.
00:17:35.000Low-risk people, people who were younger, certainly under 65 and healthy, didn't really need the vaccine.
00:17:40.000But I didn't expect it to cause the damage that it did.
00:17:43.000And of course, the situation evolved over time with lots of other bits of information coming out incrementally from 2021 with initial concerns about so-called rare side effects.
00:17:54.000And we realized the side effects became more, you know, more common.
00:17:59.000And then a personal story with me, I think, exacerbated my...
00:18:04.000Interest, I think I would say, and deep dive into understanding exactly what happened when my father, who, as you know, was a deputy vice president of the BMA, suffered a sudden cardiac arrest, unexplained, and eventually we realised it was probably the vaccine.
00:18:18.000So I think once, for me, once I fully understood what was going on with the vaccine in terms of its benefits and harms, and now we're in a situation, Russell, where it's very, very clear, in my view.
00:18:30.000I think looking at it, you know, In an independent, evidence-based way, not just my opinion, connecting with other people, like the likes of Carl Hennigan, for example, the director of Center of Evidence-Based Medicine, Oxford, many eminent scientists around the world, the Jay Bhattacharyas of this world,
00:18:46.000who's going to be the next, you know, God willing, the next director of the NIH. All these people consistently feel that either it's been significantly damaging for...
00:19:00.000Certainly for more harm than benefit for people who are younger or think, like me, it should never have been injected into a single human in the first place.
00:19:09.000But once I'd realised that about the Covid vaccine, Russell, it already fit into an understanding I already had and was concerned about pre-pandemic that there was too much power of big pharma to the extent where even if we exclude the vaccine discussion, you know, good evidence suggests that one of the leading causes of death After heart disease and cancer globally is too much medicine, prescribed medications.
00:19:35.000And also the fact that if you want to explain what is at the root of the chronic disease pandemic, it is essentially the low-hanging fruit, the biggest driver of it is ultra-processed food, the food environment.
00:19:47.000So I think, you know, in that journey that I've been on, when we come to the present day and where I'm at and obviously my links with the new administration potentially, You know, it really started in a way with a phone call, which I don't know if I told you about.
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00:21:45.000And then go through all of the commercial corruption of medicine, interests, corporate capitalism, all of that together to explain how we got here.
00:21:56.000The very first person to call me, because normally with every article I've published over the years, Russell, and being in this space, this particular area for what, over 10 years or so.
00:22:08.000Every single medical journal article I've published, I've written for the sake of saying something that I felt was important, not for the sake of being published, which has hit the news.
00:22:15.000This one did not make the mainstream news because a journalist, and I won't name him to protect him, who I've worked with for many, many years, had this as an exclusive, knew two months in advance before I was publishing this paper, mainstream newspaper, and I knew, predicting, that if this went into a mainstream newspaper at the end of 2022, it was game over for the rest of the world.
00:22:32.000It would have stopped the vaccine, end of story.
00:23:04.000If you can't walk, you crawl, but keep moving forward.
00:23:12.000I thought, well, I have to do something to at least get this out, start the ripple effects, and eventually we'll get there.
00:23:17.000I went on GB News, and the first person to call me out of the blue when I came out of the studio was Robert Kennedy Jr. He got my number from Robert Malone, as you know, the brilliant scientist who's one of the co-inventors of mRNA.
00:23:32.000And he called me and he said, Dr. Malhotra, I want to thank you for your courage with what you've done.
00:23:42.000I supported him wholeheartedly, as you know, when he ran for president.
00:23:46.000But of course, strategically, and that was probably almost certainly the right move at the time, he decided to then align with President Trump.
00:23:55.000And really, that's how I think I'm now in a position where, with my experience and background and understanding and coming from Britain, probably in a unique way compared to anybody else, really, in that sense, having been through this process, having taken on Big Pharma with statins, having been a campaigner behind the sugary drinks tax in the UK, I'm probably quite uniquely positioned to understand how we get to where we need to get to.
00:24:22.000That something comes to fruition, because I could see how you could be a benefit to this extraordinary movement in the United States, which, of course, coalesces around Bobby Kennedy.
00:24:34.000Now, when you say that prior to the pandemic, you were outspoken about the areas in Big Pharma that you were kind of qualified to, given that your background's in cardiology, obviously, yeah, I know that.
00:24:51.000You know, at the time, but like, what is interesting is there's always been a kind of tolerated level of dissent when it comes to big pharma, and even occasionally extraordinary scandals, notably and most obviously the opioid crisis in the country that I'm in, the United States, but also peripheral stories that are difficult to talk about.
00:25:16.000Entirely explicitly, because some of them involve out-of-court settlements.
00:25:22.000Baby powder out-of-court settlements due to some people alleging that the baby powder may have had carcinogenic qualities.
00:25:32.000So there's always been this sort of ability to, to some degree, talk about big pharma.
00:25:36.000And on a global macro level, almost so vast that it becomes invisible due to its magnitude, is something like the third biggest cause of death might be the over-medication of the population, something you listed in your answer just a minute.
00:25:52.000Now, with someone like Robert Kennedy being in this position of unprecedented power over there, guys, unprecedented power in the HHS, then there's actually now a significant and real possibility that even the kind of radical discourse that emerged during the pandemic,
00:26:14.000where we started to acknowledge, like you, I'm at the point where I think, Probably the vaccine did more harm than good, and I'm glad that I never took one of those things.
00:26:26.000I'm glad, because you came to it with, as you say, a certain degree of cynicism, or at least scepticism, because of your position on other areas of Big Pharma.
00:26:36.000Me, because of my general position towards authority and power, I arrived with a kind of, hold on, isn't this the government and Big Pharma?
00:26:44.000After the initial wave of, you know, we're in a movie.
00:26:50.000Like I started to think, this is still all those people that I don't trust.
00:26:53.000So what I reckon I'm asking you is, given that we believe in general that people would become healthier, as in a make America healthy again way, if they ate better food, rather than, you know, not ultra-processed food, but sort of locally sourced food, that people...
00:27:17.000We ought to be more circumspect about the medications they're taking.
00:27:23.000The indemnity around the vaccine industry should be withdrawn and retracted.
00:27:28.000The conversation's changed so significantly, and it's not a peripheral conversation anymore.
00:27:33.000It's a conversation where there are representatives within government.
00:27:37.000Do you feel that we could be on the verge of an epochal shift where people are actually like...
00:27:46.000Two personal examples to fold into your answer.
00:27:48.000One, once I was on Bill Maher, and I sort of talked about the pandemic, and he said, you know, one thing we know is it saved millions of lives, right?
00:27:59.000And I sort of remember at the time thinking, I just don't see it that way.
00:28:02.000And another different but distinct thing is, I've got a friend, it's obviously very moving whenever you mention your father, because his picture's there always when you do these interviews.
00:28:15.000I've got a friend who's older, and he was fully on board, got all of the shots and stuff, and subsequently, about six months later, had a heart attack.
00:28:26.000And I feel like, even though he's male and he's in his 70s, and you kind of think, well, those are the people that have heart attacks, I feel...
00:28:36.000Do you think that something as significant and as personal as your father's death and all of these sort of heart conditions that it's difficult to prove because who's doing the clinical trials?
00:28:46.000Maybe now that Jay Bhattacharya is at the NIH, maybe clinical trials will take place.
00:28:51.000So the two things are related, even though I'm using personal examples.
00:28:55.000Whether it comes to the public discourse conducted on media...
00:28:59.000Or people that believe that they have been personally impacted by vaccines.
00:29:03.000Do you think that these movements, Bobby being in that, Bobby Kennedy being, Secretary Kennedy being in the position that he's in, or Jay Bhattacharya, head of NIH, or Marty Makkari, head of FDA, and please, Lord, you potentially even working with the government, that there will be an appraisal where the received and accepted wisdom is that was full-on corrupt.
00:29:28.000Let's start looking at compensation and breaking up whatever relationships between regulatory bodies and big pharma existed that allowed this thing to happen.
00:29:41.000And what gives me the most confidence that that's going to happen is if you look at the executive order from the White House presidential order about make America healthy again, you know, no stone.
00:29:52.000I'm pretty pleasantly surprised by reading that no stone has been left unturned, where at the heart of the issue is very clear that we understand, if you read between the lines, that commercial interests have corrupted health, healthcare and, you know, and this isn't just for the US, this applies to all around the world.
00:30:27.000I've had interaction with him, been texting him back and forth.
00:30:30.000So, you know, all these people, I think, are very much aligned with what actually needs to happen, this inflection point, or I would say the...
00:30:43.000I think that's the best way to describe it.
00:30:45.000Because, you know, what they've also mentioned in this objective order, which really heartened me, is the fact that they're organising this commission on looking at health through all sectors, Department of Housing, Department of Education, because actually that's another narrative that needs a lot more of a discussion, is that when you look at the evidence, Russell, and it's something I'm working on and writing about soon, probably...
00:31:09.000To have some influence in the new administration.
00:31:20.000Dr. S. Malhotra has got so many revelations and the ultimate revelation being, of course, that we need to have a spiritual awakening in order to make the kind of changes that are required.
00:31:29.00080% of the variation in outcomes for people's health, okay?
00:31:34.000Let me just give you an example of what that means.
00:31:38.000Differences in the wealthiest versus the poorest people in America in terms of life expectancy, it's about 10 years on average.
00:31:46.000If you look at healthy life expectancy, it's 20 years.
00:31:51.000And 80% of the variation in that difference is related to what we call the social determinants of health, but a better way to describe it is the building blocks for a healthy society.
00:32:02.000We have to go back to square one and start from the beginning.
00:32:05.000And that means, you know, good quality housing.
00:32:08.000It means kids having, all kids having access to education.
00:32:11.000It means having a decent income, right?
00:32:15.000If you are, Michael Marmot is a professor in the UK, he's a world guru, a researcher in this area.
00:32:22.000And he's written, I wrote about this in an article for the Kings when he said, if you are in a stressful job, you know, a low pay, High demand, low control job.
00:32:32.000That can be more damaging to health because of stress than being unemployed.
00:32:37.000The minimum wage in the United States at the moment is $7.25.
00:32:57.000One, the food environment has more influence on our behaviour than what we think.
00:33:02.000And ultra-processed food has saturated the whole food environment.
00:33:05.000But this isn't just about people who are unfairly disadvantaged, Russell.
00:33:10.000If you remember during the pandemic, Boris Johnson got hospitalised with COVID. I was the one that went public and made international news saying that it was likely because of his weight, because I spoke on Good Morning Britain, etc.
00:33:21.000That's when Matt Hancock asked me to advise him.
00:33:24.000And what we should do on COVID and obesity, etc.
00:33:26.000And Boris is not someone who's from a poor background.
00:33:30.000He's got everything available to him, right?
00:33:39.000It's permeated every aspect of our culture and our environment, that even people who are well-off are addicted to ultra-processed food.
00:33:46.000So this conversation that we're having, of course we want to make sure that we have...
00:33:52.000Everybody has a fair chance to lead the optimal life they want in terms of their health, and there are people who are more disadvantaged, but ultimately this affects everybody.
00:34:02.00093% now of American adults, Russell, have what we call sub-optimal metabolic health.
00:34:08.00093% of our adult Americans, that's extraordinary, are not in their optimal health at a basic level, at a basic level, right?
00:35:07.000Because it has permeated every level of society, and it's interesting to use an example of someone that, by most measures, you would, of course, have to regard as privileged, still falling foul to bad diet.
00:35:19.000I customarily was thinking about myself and thinking, well, I'm a pretty tuned-in guy that's aware that you're meant to, you know, I... Do a bunch of physical exercise.
00:35:57.000Why would a culture do that to itself?
00:36:00.000And you can sort of see, I'm becoming increasingly fascinated with the United States and was looking at the origins of its three branches of government, looking at the Constitution and how distinct the United States is on that basis from a country like ours.
00:36:15.000It's sort of a wild said that, you know, we're two nations separated by a common language.
00:36:19.000And because we speak the same language, I seem, as the Americans, I think we think...
00:36:24.000Their country is the same, and plainly, it's not.
00:36:28.000And it's peculiar to see how such comparatively modern and explicitly great ideals were over time corrupted, I believe, by industrialization and the subsequent...
00:36:47.000in American industry were able to have on government and how that began to bias and bend the trajectory of American politics and cultural life.
00:36:57.000Because you wouldn't have a situation where people were ingesting poison, both orally and in a variety of other ways for a big farmer, if there wasn't something way out of line.
00:37:12.000They say, don't they, in our kind of independent media circles, it's not a bug, it's a feature.
00:37:20.000But when you sort of pull back and look at, well, why would that happen?
00:37:24.000Why would 70% of the world's calories come out of ultra-processed food?
00:37:28.000Why would, you know, the source cited Dr. Asim Malhotra, the third biggest...
00:37:34.000Cause of death globally be over-prescription of medicines or misdiagnosis or prescription of wrong medicines.
00:37:40.000Well, it must be somehow the system's benefiting from it.
00:37:43.000And to heart on about the coronavirus pandemic, whilst it was unique in some ways, what's most peculiar to me is that it simply revealed, due to the nature of the scale, something that was always present and hidden in plain sight.
00:38:01.000If the interests of the state and the interests of, let's call them global corporations, align, the version of reality we receive will be highly curated and highly biased.
00:38:14.000So, you know, as George Carly in the American comic says, Interests converge.
00:38:22.000It just turned out that during the pandemic, it was beneficial to the state to have the opportunity to regulate, to keep people in their homes.
00:38:30.000It was beneficial to Big Pharma to be able to create these profitable medicines that just so happen to grant them legal immunity.
00:38:38.000So that's the only immunity anyone got, is the illegal immunity that they got for their product.
00:38:44.000It was, in a sense, a perfect storm, but not unique.
00:38:47.000I believe it was like a window that appeared for a moment.
00:38:51.000That's why I think subsequently the world has changed so much.
00:38:54.000So someone like you who could have been on their way out for being outspoken in areas where you're not supposed to be outspoken is actually now, because of the apocal shift that's taken place, on their way into a position of new power.
00:39:07.000I'm just very curious about how that's going to be sustained.
00:39:09.000Perhaps this is a good way of analysing this, Doctor, might be to say this.
00:39:16.000The United States has clearly taken a different path.
00:39:19.000We can see that when it comes to the Ukraine war.
00:39:21.000We can see it when it's come to the executive order that you've referred to with regards to COVID or the appointment of some of these peripheral...
00:39:28.000Heroes, like the men whose names we keep listing, from the outskirts to the heart of government.
00:39:37.000In the United Kingdom, there was a kind of a very sort of insipid inquiry that took place, and I find it difficult to imagine the type of reckoning we're discussing in America taking place in the UK. But also, it's unavoidable.
00:39:48.000We live in a global society, for good or for bad, now anyway.
00:39:52.000So, if the US reappraises its entire approach, we've kind of come to a conclusion that not only was the pandemic The pandemic mishandled when it came to social and political initiatives.
00:40:01.000initiatives it was mishandled through the remedies and covid do you think that the uk and its different direction when it comes to covid but a whole variety of other matters is going to be exposed as a result of what's happening and could it even be something that brings down keir starmer's government because let's face it in the uk people you know like moderna are getting good deals people are moving between government and moderna in particular
00:40:28.000do you think this is the kind of thing that the differences between the uk and the us might expose some interesting trends and might bring about um conflict and surprise Yes.
00:40:42.000Yeah, Russell, well, before I answer that question, just coming back to your earlier point which I think you're absolutely spot on about and we need to discuss is about this spiritual battle, if you like, because part of what has driven us to this point in terms of culturally is that we have become more disconnected, more materialistic, you know, and it's been exacerbated by these industries that make us believe that...
00:41:06.000We can be the best or happiest versions of ourselves from eating junk food and various addictions that are going to give us these short-term dopamine hits.
00:41:18.000But actually, when it comes back to what it means to be human, we know that ultimately, over time, that brings you into more of a state of depression.
00:41:25.000I know you've gone through that yourself.
00:41:47.000We've got modern psychology that tells us that actually, you know, living, loving, learning, being connected to other people, quality of our relationships, contributing back to the community, you know, Doing work that you're passionate about.
00:42:21.000And I think there is a groundswell of people that are pushing now, who are more spiritually connected, who through whatever journey or through their upbringing actually understand that better than other people.
00:42:33.000And that's how we need a cultural shift to happen.
00:42:35.000And of course, I've said this before and just briefly before I answer your question about the UK. I've given this diagnosis.
00:42:43.000When you look at the upstream causes of the current health crisis, one of them is known as the commercial determinants or drivers of ill health, which is defined by strategies and approaches adopted by the private sector to promote products and choices.
00:43:00.000That are detrimental or damaging to health.
00:43:03.000They actually have a strategy to do that, to make money through deception, through getting you addicted to whatever.
00:43:08.000Social media, whether it's junk food, whether it's online porn or whatever you want to talk about.
00:43:16.000But there was an offshoot of that, which I came up with, based upon the big corporations, which are really the dominant power in the world right now.
00:43:36.000And they have been diagnosed as being psychopathic in their pursuit for money.
00:43:40.000So you can understand the downstream effects of that is also going to have a negative effect on our culture and the way people behave and is going to take us away from those basic human values and principles of what it means to be human.
00:43:51.000So I think it's just important to mention that.
00:43:53.000So you're absolutely spot on in that diagnosis you've come to yourself, Russell.
00:43:56.000In terms of the UK, I think in many ways it's interesting.
00:44:00.000I've had some insights myself, personal insights, because I've taken my knowledge and understanding of what's happened with the COVID vaccine, the root cause of it, to politicians, to the Conservative Party, to members of the Labour Party, to senior members of the Labour Party, who in their own right have listened to me and understood it and been shocked and have been convinced.
00:44:21.000But themselves have been too scared to speak out.
00:44:28.000How can we explain what happened in America versus what happened in the UK? Thinking aloud, I think some of it could be that Americans' health has been, to a large degree, worse than that of the UK. And we know when population health gets worse, you have less trust in government.
00:44:44.000So there was that opportunity for a change to happen.
00:44:48.000But I think what also has been massively influential in even the presidential election are the likes of Robert Kennedy Jr.
00:44:55.000But being given a platform from the likes of Tucker Carlson, from Joe Rogan, who have got now more influence and reach.
00:45:02.000Russell Brand, right, having more impact and reach.
00:45:06.000Speaking the truth in a way that resonates with people's souls, which is way more powerful and kind of breaks through for many people this kind of cloud of ignorance that has been so dominant in our lives.
00:45:21.000But in a way that is articulated, that makes sense, that they think, hold on a minute, this is exactly, you know, they've had more skepticism of the mainstream media now.
00:45:30.000I think a lot of it has also become more apparent to people, and I predicted this from the COVID vaccine being given to so many people and so many people being harmed, that once it gets out through a Joe Rogan podcast with Robert Malone or Peter McCullough...
00:45:45.000Suddenly there's a ripple effect, and then everybody else comes in and gives their explanation of what's going on, and then suddenly you get Trump almost from the underdog, from everything that he went through in the four years of the Democrat government after he was president to try and even jail him.
00:46:04.000He comes almost as an underdog because of everything that happened as a result of this awakening.
00:46:14.000Him saying something that I never thought he would say is almost contradicting the neoliberal economic model of Milton Friedman, which is where all of this really started to go wrong in the 80s in the United States, where he said, essentially, corporations, rather than being stakeholders for everybody, should really be narrowly focused on private profits.
00:46:32.000He said, essentially, that it is immoral for big corporations to put...
00:46:42.000In other words, profits should be always ahead of people.
00:46:44.000Trump comes out on the Joe Rogan podcast and makes a speech and says, if we find that these big corporations and big pharma have been putting profits ahead of people, they will be held accountable.
00:46:53.000And he may not have even realized that, but that is a massive shift for him.
00:46:57.000So I think we have all the ingredients, Russell.
00:46:59.000We're not going to be complacent about it to really change the system, but we need to understand the root cause.
00:47:17.000But Adam Smith, the brainchild in 7076 of the free market economy, said markets function best on perfect information.
00:47:25.000We have an economic system where big corporations and millionaires and oligarchs, in many cases, are not making their money through merit, through doing good things, through giving you a product or a drug.
00:47:37.000That is going to serve the interests of you and the public, but through mass deception.
00:47:44.000And once people understand that, and I don't think Trump fully gets that yet, but I think he will, then we can actually create a better economic system that actually benefits everybody.
00:48:00.000But I don't think we're there in the UK because we haven't, it's interesting, we had a Conservative government.
00:48:05.000Now, you say could, you know, Could this collapse the Labour government eventually?
00:48:09.000Listen, they're not particularly popular, but what we need is we need an alternative.
00:48:13.000I've had a meeting with Nigel Farage, I've spoken to senior members of the Conservative Party who are very interested in what I'm potentially doing in America and want this to understand how we can influence health in the UK. If the Labour government is going to do anything about this, there needs to be a massive change in understanding from within.
00:48:34.000Okay, we're going down the wrong trajectory here.
00:48:36.000We shouldn't be having, you know, alliances with the likes of, you know, strong alliances and influential alliances with the likes of Bill Gates, who is actually part of the old order.
00:48:50.000If Bill Gates suddenly comes out and says, listen, I've just realized that everything I've been doing or a proportion of my work and my influence is actually having a negative impact and I'm going to change my trajectory, good for him.
00:49:03.000I will be the first to embrace it and say, you know what, let's give people the benefit of the doubt that they can change their mind.
00:49:09.000You know, people can break good as well as people can break bad.
00:49:12.000So, but, until all of that happens systemically, I don't think that, you know, we need a strong opposition that is going to change the narrative in the UK. And I can't see that yet, Russell.
00:49:24.000So I think there's potential, but I can't see that happening yet.
00:49:27.000Because this, again, to my point that the COVID period, Granted us, in the same way that light striking a prison might be broken down into its component parts, or at least we might see the different ways that information can be dissected.
00:49:48.000The pandemic provided just such an opportunity and I think that's why the consequences are so far-reaching and the fact that you arrived at the name of Bill Gates must surely be significant because he's one of the avatars of globalism and it seems that what sort of fundamentally happened in the UK is the UK are choosing the path of ongoing bureaucratic globalism as opposed to sort of emergent nationalism.
00:50:10.000One of the questions we've been talking about is whether nationalism can be...
00:50:14.000Inclusive, and my personal belief is that it is, that nationalism needn't necessarily be racist or exclusive, that nationalism...
00:50:23.000I believe in a thing called national socialism, that as long as it's a socialist form of nationalism, that there'll be absolutely no problems.
00:50:36.000Is that with Trump's sort of casual and maybe inadvertent remark on Rogan that he would invert the principles of Friedman economics, i.e.
00:50:48.000that of course profit is a likely outcome of business conducted well, but what we've experienced is incremental biases to the point of...
00:51:01.000That indeed, the first thing you remove is perfect information.
00:51:06.000Because if you have control over the media environment, you can ensure that the information is not perfect, but beneficial and advantageous to those same elite interests.
00:51:15.000This has been happening again and again and again over time, to the point where technology...
00:51:22.000I say this a lot, I seem, that Andrew Breitbart is credited with the phrase that politics is downstream from culture.
00:51:30.000But I would add, culture is downstream from technology.
00:51:34.000One of the first things that's shifted as a result of technological change is the type of media that you described, which is decentralized, diffuse, difficult to control.
00:51:46.000And I would say, curiously, It gives us the opportunity to access something like perfect information when we aggregate it.
00:51:59.000But what we're experiencing now in the information sphere, Doctor, is an attempt for them to control that process of aggregation via the creation of the categories of disinformation and misinformation.
00:52:11.000But that's very much at odds with what's happening organically.
00:52:17.000What is sometimes hard for me to comprehend when we consider how we've gotten into this position is that you said near the beginning of your answer that we have to go back to step one.
00:52:31.000The health of any nation, America or the UK or any nation, is connected to matters like poverty, nutrition, and these issues are connected to such...
00:52:45.000Powerful and entrenchant interests that to address them, it requires something very radical.
00:52:52.000I met someone you must be familiar with, Jim O'Brien, who works with Robert Kennedy at the HHS, I believe his deputy secretary.
00:53:01.000At least that's the last time I checked in, that's what was going on.
00:53:05.000I said to him, even if you just take one sort of pathway, look at what tangentially this might take us to see.
00:53:11.000If you take just one pathway, like they say that 20% of food stamps are cashed in order to get sugary drinks.
00:53:19.000You know, like people that are on welfare in the US use their food stamps to acquire sugary drinks, the very kind of food that you, Cali means, everyone will tell us we shouldn't be drinking.
00:53:32.000The reason they get sugary drinks, probably there's economic reasons for that, and there's all sorts of imperatives that are pretty entrenched, probably just to do with lobbying and donations.
00:53:39.000If you were to sort of try and alter just that...
00:53:43.000One issue and say, we want food stamps to primarily be exchanged for organic, locally sourced food that will be healthy and beneficial.
00:53:51.000But now you've looped in big agriculture, big pharma, big food.
00:54:15.000Whilst the pandemic might have been dreadful for you because, you know, you lost your dad and you took a medication that weren't good for you.
00:54:21.000It might have been bad for me because I got locked in my house.
00:54:24.000And it might have been bad for all those people that died as a result of vaccine injuries or died as a result of the virus itself.
00:54:36.000So if, whether it's an apparently unique event, And a crisis that is beneficial to elites and the system as a whole while being hugely detrimental to the whole population or you consider that taking place over time and exacerbating over time.
00:54:53.000If the interests of the people are at odds with the most powerful institutions in the world only revolution can address that.
00:55:05.000The way that government appears to work is by increment, is by compromise, whether that's the UK government, which I think is corrupt, or the American government that started off pretty fantastic and well and has become corrupted over time.
00:55:19.000So, you know, I feel sort of oddly optimistic now, and you feel optimistic now, but in a way, it's going to require, like...
00:55:27.000Odd and anomalous creatures like Trump that are radical in the most bizarre way.
00:55:37.000So, one, are you confident that even the men like Bhattacharya, Amai Makkari, Dr Oz, you, Kali Means, all are in Siri?
00:55:50.000All these sort of powerful radical figures, do you think that they're going to be able to wrench and manoeuvre this vast and corrupt system?
00:55:58.000And again, if you could fold into that answer, what does a country like the UK do where there is no comparable movement and maybe not even the possibility for such a movement unless you had something really bizarre like Andrew Bridgen, Nigel Farage, Jeremy Corbyn, people from weird and tangential political backgrounds aligning for some sort of essentially populist, anti-globalist kind of party that was drawn from the left and right.
00:56:25.000So in America, Which is further along with these arguments.
00:56:29.000Do you think you can be successful using the levers of government?
00:56:32.000And in the UK, could this lead to a kind of new populism, even if it was this single issue that was the inflection point?
00:56:40.000Yeah, well, I think in terms of UK, you know, we tend to follow what America does.
00:56:43.000And I think, you know, if America gets this sorted, the rest of the world will follow, Russell.
00:56:47.000I just think because it's such a powerful country and has so much influence over the world, I think that's going to...
00:56:52.000and these issues are actually systemic in probably most of the western world if not even some of the emerging developing countries India is just as bad now in terms of this issue of ultra-processed food for example the largest democracy in the world and they've got massive explosion of type 2 diabetes heart disease etc etc so I think other other countries will follow for sure in terms of whether I feel confident I'm as confident as I've ever been to be honest I think because we've got the I think the other thing is they've set targets.
00:57:20.000When he was running for president, he says if he's not reversed the chronic disease epidemic in children or in adults by the first term as president, he will resign.
00:57:32.000He said again that we want to see demonstrable results within two years.
00:57:37.000So as long as we have the right minds and we address the root cause and everybody's talking to each other.
00:57:43.000And also I think there's another interesting area which I think needs to be explored a little bit, Russell.
00:57:57.000No, but it's true, because these people, I don't think these people are particularly happy.
00:58:02.000We actually look at the evidence base, and I meet many people who are so-called very wealthy and famous, and they're some of the most miserable people I've ever met, to be perfectly honest with you.
00:58:11.000So I think giving them also a solution that they can actually be in a position where they genuinely feel happier.
00:58:18.000And realize that a lot of that happiness isn't going to come from exploiting vulnerable people, but actually changing the way that they approach life.
00:58:25.000I think all of that is actually going to help change the system.
00:58:28.000But also, even from an economic perspective, it's market failure.
00:58:31.000Because, you know, as we said, if you're producing a product that doesn't do what it says on the tin, and we're medicating masses of the population with drugs that can do more harm than good, everybody's affected.
00:58:43.000It's all going to ultimately collapse.
00:58:58.000I think once that conversation starts happening...
00:59:01.000In addition to the grassroots movement, in addition to the podcasts and the discussions and the cultural shift and families talking about it, and the legacy media, I think, is now lagging behind.
00:59:14.000Alternative media, in a way, in terms of its popularity and influence.
00:59:17.000They're going to have to start catching up and shifting.
00:59:19.000I think we're in the right trajectory.
00:59:22.000We've got to just hope and pray that things will move in the right direction.
00:59:28.000You know, I didn't expect to be in this position, to be honest, that I've got potential influence over the health of the United States.
00:59:34.000You know, Bobby Kennedy, I remember him saying these words, which resonated with me, and I know it resonates with you.
00:59:40.000When you speak the truth, which is most important, you've got to let go of the outcome.
00:59:46.000What's interesting about where this conversation is continually bending is that...
00:59:57.000The spiritual component is not sort of peripheral or secondary.
01:00:05.000You can't make even small changes last or impactful unless they are undergirded by an absolute principle.
01:00:14.000There's a theological singularity that arrives where even apparently and almost definitively Diffuse ideas such as secularism and a spiritual perspective ultimately combine when you consider that when someone talks about common sense, like I can imagine that the kind of conversations you'll be having, that Bobby Kennedy, Dr. Ross et al.
01:00:53.000It's common sense that large corporations should be accountable and that government bureaucracy should be transparent.
01:00:59.000But when you say common sense, what you're actually saying is there's an absolute principle.
01:01:04.000If there's an absolute principle, if there's such a thing as right and wrong, that's an indication that there are laws in the universe.
01:01:11.000Now, it seems ridiculous that we would even have to iterate such a fact because the universe is almost by definition laws.
01:01:19.000That's how you have a universe because of gravity and molecular magnetism, etc.
01:01:25.000So we're having to kind of accept, one, whether you believe in God or not.
01:01:31.000There appear to be some absolute principles.
01:01:33.000And from those absolute principles, you kind of derive ideas like rights and duty and justice.
01:01:41.000And those ideas have been, by secularism and materialism and rationalism, a whole host of post-enlightenment values, have been sort of managed and manipulated primarily to lead us to a place where human power is the apex and what humans decide and determine can constitute the way that systems are set up.
01:02:01.000When you say something like Bill Gates, the reason I laugh is because I sort of...
01:02:05.000I agree with you that on some level, even when someone's got a great deal of power, like Bill Gates or Zuckerberg or Elon Musk or anyone that's got a great deal of power, it's easy for me to sort of see them as sort of a separate entity from me.
01:02:18.000They're not subject to what I'm subject to.
01:02:20.000But when we have this conversation, I seem we vacillate continually between I can when we talk about like this is so personal and intimate as it affects me and my family and my mates.
01:02:32.000They're drinking too much sugar or eating crap food or have become drug addicts or having heart attacks.
01:02:41.000But it's so macro that it affects the most powerful, powerful institutions and forces on Earth, the U.S. government, big pharma, NGOs that have a great deal of power and influence.
01:02:52.000Bureaucratic entities like the World Health Organization that have a great deal of power and influence.
01:02:55.000But there's a bigger power even than that.
01:02:59.000And in the end, that's where if we don't find our way to either actually God or an agreement that it's inverted commas might as well be God because it means values like kindness and love and service and acting in good faith.
01:03:14.000You know, it just amounts to God because it's God-inspired ethics.
01:03:17.000You know, it just makes me feel like, like you said, there's hope while significantly recognising...
01:03:24.000Nothing short of an individual contribution from each of us and radical change from all of us is the required outcome here.
01:03:34.000And I guess the reason I keep moving between the UK and the US is because I stay in the US a lot these days and I love it here.
01:03:41.000And because I actually know some of these people in government like you.
01:04:55.000I mean, ultimately, I think there is something very resilient about the human spirit, you know, that we can overcome tragedies and obstacles and keep moving forward.
01:05:15.000I think that I feel, certainly when I've been going around the world giving lectures and kind of exposing the big picture to people, and a lot of them are shocked, people come away saying, I feel hopeful.
01:05:27.000But it does need the right kind of leadership to guide people as well, to give them that hope and give them that.
01:05:33.000Because what's happened really during the pandemic, and certainly with the COVID vaccine, Russell, if you break it down, there's nothing short of horrific.
01:05:40.000I mean, it's an absolute horror of what's happened with this mass injection of something that should never have been put into a single human in the first place, most likely.
01:05:51.000I mean, I have dark moments when I sit there and think, bloody hell, it's a living nightmare.
01:05:55.000But there's something that keeps me going, something that keeps us going, and that's hope for a different future.
01:06:00.000And the other thing as well, you know, it's interesting to talk about God.
01:06:05.000I think Buddha taught us that you don't have to believe in God to lead the moral life.
01:06:10.000And in my own spiritual journey, and certainly becoming probably more aligned with Buddhist principles that make sense to me, because it's science of the mind, it's more almost like psychiatry or psychology, really, when you read Buddhism, is that the importance of free speech and allowing everybody to have their say is you don't get to a greater truth until everybody is allowed to give their opinion.
01:06:29.000And that's what you alluded to earlier.
01:06:31.000And getting to a greater truth also means listening, and it means having the ability to change your mind.
01:06:36.000And having your ability to change your mind is also linked to compassion and humility, right?
01:06:40.000So that's why it's important, even from a rational perspective, it's important for us to listen to each other and understand and be not afraid and create a culture where...
01:06:55.000You know, people shouldn't be afraid to say, you know what, I thought this at a certain time.
01:07:28.000So, actually, what we are all, ideally, to get to a higher state of being, to progress, to a greater truth, is through information, and information that's shared freely amongst everybody.
01:07:40.000And that's what, in my view, that's another way of looking at what, you know, sort of the direction towards God is, right?
01:08:11.000I believe that when you hear in Exodus...
01:08:19.000God's discourse with Moses, he says, I am.
01:08:23.000There is something deeply personal, present, and immediate, and outside of time that's accessible.
01:08:29.000The reality isn't what we think it is.
01:08:32.000Reality is what we perceive through our limited senses and our sub-optimal capacity to process knowledge.
01:08:39.000Yet, via something discreet from the senses, we can access the awareness that there is another reality.
01:08:49.000And when I say another reality, an all-encompassing, ever-present reality that is not confined by the senses, of course it couldn't be.
01:08:58.000It would be preposterous to assume that the exact number of instruments we have are sufficient to consume all potential realities.
01:09:08.000I mean, we already know just through magnification and through animals that receive different light ranges that there are other present realities that we...
01:09:17.000We cannot detect due to the limitations of our instruments.
01:09:21.000And I think if you can sort of cogitate on that, just even within the language and lexicon of the senses, imagine what's beyond our vocabulary and our ability to even discern.
01:09:39.000Yet somehow within it all, there is love, there is justice.
01:09:43.000I guess where this conversation has taken me, Doctor, is that we are at an exciting and pivotal moment because the crisis of the pandemic showed us that the way that information was being used was beneficial to existing institutions.
01:10:15.000Keir Starmer is the Prime Minister in the UK. But I feel that we might be about to experience something that's, as you said, radical.
01:10:22.000Dr. Malhotra, I've got to wrap it up now.
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