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00:02:32.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand, a very special show, when we are talking to Roseanne Barr, who I consider to be an extraordinary, shamanic, swirling, whirling linguist.
00:02:45.000It's odd when you meet people Who's talents and gifts are harnessed by an aspect of the system.
00:02:51.000In her instance, the entertainment industry or Hollywood, whatever synecdoche you want to use to describe that.
00:02:58.000She's a person whose gifts are spiritual.
00:02:59.000Indeed, I believe that all of our gifts are spiritual, but tend ultimately to get harnessed by materialistic systems.
00:03:28.000You'll be able to join us live for conversations like the one we have with Roseanne.
00:03:32.000You'll also become a member of our book club where we read Mere Christianity and I describe to you why I use such extraordinary fashion accessories and occasionally turn up in an odd hat and sunglasses like this as an expression of who I believe myself to be at the deepest possible level.
00:03:49.000So, Roseanne, as you may know, is a big star, as well as having won a whole bunch of awards for a variety of things, she's also run for office.
00:03:58.000Did you know she's run for president twice?
00:04:01.000Her show has been the most successful and popular show in the United States of America, and of course, she's been aggressively cancelled.
00:04:08.000Now, I know a little bit about that, and it's one of the subjects that we will be discussing in our conversation over the course of the day.
00:04:17.000Here's an interview that you could have watched live on locals.
00:04:19.000You'll notice that several people's questions like Firegirl2020 were put directly to Roseanne and we've got some fantastic interviews coming up.
00:04:26.000Bobby Kennedy's coming on the show soon.
00:04:29.000We're talking to military insiders about American foreign policy.
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00:04:52.000Without further ado, let's enjoy this glorious conversation with a very surprising, brilliant, plainly extraordinarily bright human being, Roseanne Barr.
00:05:09.000You mentioned, or at least we're beginning to mention, I think, a time when I did a comedy show in the UK and you came over from America and we were so excited that you were there.
00:05:18.000Because prior even to the epochal, significant, and genre-defining Roseanne show, you were a controversial and much-beloved stand-up comedian.
00:05:29.000And it seems like for a minute, and this is something I know from my own culture and from my own country, is that for a minute you were sort of able to be utilized by the culture as an example of, this is a working-class person that shows that, you know, America is working, and that liberalism is working, and look how we're giving I'm giving the platform to this white trash woman.
00:05:50.000I'm not saying that's what you are, I'm saying that's how you were used by the culture for a moment.
00:05:54.000And in a way we can use perhaps God, certainly your journey, and I know that personally, Ivy, you're getting a lot of love by the way in this chat, like you can use your journey and my journey in a sense to track how the culture has changed, how it talks about class dynamics, class politics, how ideas like freedom of speech, how the The fainting and utilisation of mental health and yet the sort of condemnation of errors of judgement sort of have evolved over time.
00:06:21.000I wonder, Roseanne, because a lot of our audience may not know that you stood for a leader of the Green Party, that you've been outspoken on a number of issues, that you were a pretty vocal Democrat supporter I feel like at times in your career before supporting Donald Trump.
00:06:37.000I wonder where you are in the culture right now.
00:06:41.000Do you feel generally cynical and sceptical about what you might call mainstream culture, given what happened when the Roseanne show returned with tremendous success to the air and how you were treated and how the show was cancelled?
00:06:56.000I wonder what you feel has fundamentally changed since your first flood of fame and success and this new incarnation of Roseanne.
00:07:05.000Well, that's a lot to unpack there, but I was just thinking about it this morning, funny, that I thought, you know what?
00:07:18.000I have the exact same thoughts and beliefs that I had when I first came to Hollywood, you know, as a stand-up comic that wanted to, you know, talk about just regular people who do all the work that makes everything go.
00:07:33.000And I'm an unappreciated working class, you know, and class politics.
00:07:40.000I haven't changed any of my views whatsoever, but the, what do you call that, the hourglass, you know, they do those hourglass flips in the mind control program of the mass media, you know.
00:07:55.000They do these hourglass flips, and so they did a total hourglass flip where suddenly the left that I was, you know, I did run for president in 2012 as a socialist, and all of a sudden, you know, that left and the left that I was raised in, because my parents were socialists too, And now it's like the left is not, as I always say, well, the left doesn't seem like your daddy's left anymore.
00:08:23.000about civil rights and bettering yourself with education and moving up, and all of that flipped.
00:08:32.000And now it's like the left is not, as I always say, well, the left doesn't seem like your
00:08:40.000daddy's left anymore. Now it's just a kind of a fascist structure that hates civil rights,
00:08:49.000hates freedom of speech, hates individual rights, and just says, no.
00:08:54.000Just authoritarian and just repressive, putting its big... Can we swear on your show?
00:09:04.000I have to stop this interview right now because Roseanne is about to transgress all sorts of extraordinary community guidelines that are amorphous, Kafkaesque, difficult to read and understand, almost as if that's the intention of them, that we live in new, banal, bureaucratic spaces that are indecipherable and deliberately opaque in order to keep us in a constant state of confusion.
00:09:26.000So if you are watching this on YouTube, you can see now that there's only a few seconds left on the countdown.
00:09:33.000Rubbing its fucking huge jackboot into your face and grinding it into the goddamn dirt.
00:09:46.000Which is what they did to me because they didn't like, well they don't like working people is basically it and they don't like anything having to do with working people.
00:09:57.000Or the the kind of they look at us as they look at that class of people as like the great unwashed.
00:10:05.000Now it's like, oh, not only the great unwashed, because they've destroyed the whole working class and now they're working on the middle class to take all their money because all they do is just go where there's a big pile of money and rob it.
00:10:21.000So, you know, they scope out where there's money and then they can go there and steal it and destroy the people that have it.
00:10:29.000But it may have always been that way, but I didn't perceive it that way because I had that thing that left us have where you see a fake kind of make-believe happy world where you believe that you're compassionate, you don't Really see how fascist you are until you know, I'm speaking in the past.
00:10:55.000I didn't realize all of that stuff about the left until I left the left slowly to go.
00:11:29.000Like my friend Gore Vidal said, there's just one party and it's the money party.
00:11:34.000And they'll put one guy in the window till the people are tired of being robbed and they go throw the bums out and then they'll put the other party in the window.
00:11:43.000Tell the people who are tired of being robbed, throw the bombs out and then they'll put the same first part, you know, and that's what I mean by the hourglass flip.
00:11:51.000There's very little difference in either of them and even narrowing even more, you know, where it's just like, you know, we mean to take everything from you and you're just gonna have to get used to it.
00:12:06.000The vacillation between the various representatives of what is commonly called the Uni Party or what Gore Vidal, cool, would have called the Money Party is one example that helps me to understand that hourglass flip.
00:12:24.000But what struck me as more astonishing is when values like free speech, Yeah.
00:12:32.000were cast out, when the pharmaceutical industry were embraced as heroes, when censorship was
00:12:38.000legitimised, when war became cooler than peace.
00:12:44.000That's when I started to think, hey, maybe they never liked working people in the first
00:12:48.000place and just used working people for a while in the same way that perhaps now they use
00:12:53.000different, inverted commas, minority groups, ethnic groups, sexual identity groups as a
00:12:59.000kind of mask for what appears to be a type of avarice that seeks to legitimise itself
00:13:06.000by pretending that they're somehow doing something for vulnerable people.
00:13:11.000Yeah, because they've got to have an audience.
00:13:14.000They've got to have, like, they love a captive audience.
00:13:19.000and uh you know so they can sell shit to them and and convince them that they're under threat so they'll go get the shots they're making 10 billion dollars selling and then they get cancer so then they own the cancer cure and the treatment for cancer they own friggin everything they give you the cancer and then they own the cancer treatment company and the cancer medications of course they hide the shit that cures cancer I mean, it's just like the devil.
00:13:51.000You know, if you get really fundamentally, fundamentalistic religion in some way, you can understand it.
00:14:01.000I can understand when people go and say that.
00:14:05.000I mean, it's easier to communicate with people who think that way than it is to communicate with people who talk about, you know, stock prices.
00:14:15.000It's just too out there and it just makes no sense at all for living human beings who think, you know?
00:14:23.000Like a sort of a Luciferian metaphor or metaphors derived from scripture or metaphors that acknowledge the existence of good and evil make more sense and seem to have more value and have more utility.
00:14:38.000Then there's just the endless doubling down on rationalism, especially when it seems that rationalism, as I said before, can be used to justify whatever they want to do.
00:15:33.000And they couldn't line up fast enough to get the damn thing.
00:15:37.000And I was like, is there nothing in your memory, perhaps, about not trusting a government that tells you, you know, something with medications or gas or showers?
00:15:51.000Is there no memory of any of that lining up for A government that, you know, Tuskegee, the poison blankets to the Indians.
00:16:19.000Like the information is gone or compromised or changed and that's why it's difficult to even talk about what's happening right now because in three weeks they'll be exposing that that was all a lie.
00:16:30.000Yeah, there is this sort of immediate amnesia, this constant updating of the present, this bewildering hyperspace, and I suppose the exorcism and annihilation of tradition is an important part of that, because if you're able to go, hold on, this is our family, this is where we're from, this is what we believe in, this is our traditions, this is how we represent our tribe, if you have all of those values, you're not such a dupe You're not such an easy figure to be manipulated.
00:17:01.000And as you say, it's like, when did pharmaceutical companies and the state become the goodies in like, within a couple of years of that opioid crisis that annihilated the working class people of America, continues to have an incredible impact.
00:17:16.000How do they do these bait and switches and find the lady moves so quickly?
00:17:20.000And you, like you say, it's because they are in real time now curating reality.
00:17:24.000One of the things- Yeah, that's right.
00:17:26.000What strikes me, Roseanne, is they're always using, like, the specter of those 20th century dictators, your Stalins and your Hitlers, as the big threats.
00:17:34.000That's the thing you've got to watch out for.
00:17:36.000But it seems to me that we're entering into a type of... And you know what they never say, Russell?
00:18:19.000And we went over here and killed all that tribe.
00:18:22.000And then the Nazis supposedly went to South America, killed everybody in the rainforest, doing experiments on captive populations is what it's all about.
00:18:31.000And that's what I'm talking about when I talk about people lining up for inoculations or whatever you want to call them.
00:20:00.000What is it we're supposed to believe in?
00:20:01.000And it seems to me that what power is what the kind of power that's being granted now because of the advent of technology, which, of course, perversely and inversely could grant us incredible freedom.
00:20:13.000This could be the generation of a movement that is A global, unified, decentralized, true representation of ordinary people that recognizes leadership skills and grants leadership in communities rather than centralizing power wherever possible to exploit as many people and exploit as many resources as possible, all the while doing it with the gentle language of convenience and safety.
00:20:40.000Man, have you ever received a letter from YouTube?
00:20:55.000What, you know, I think that the problem, one of the problems with some of the political models that idealists and ideologues hanker after is that socialism, for example, was a response to industrialization.
00:21:07.000But, you know, in the West at least, We're living in a post-industrial age, we're living in a technological age, and we need political movements that are a response to how power is operating now.
00:21:17.000Industrialization was how power controlled resources and controlled people a hundred years ago.
00:21:23.000Now they're boosting up to control us with, we got your data, we're watching everything you do, we're capturing and scraping everything you said, we got a hundred million data points on you.
00:21:34.000And like, it's almost... I told my son last night, we were You know, my son and I are having a great time here in New York.
00:21:41.000We were out drinking and pontificating, you know, that's fun.
00:21:45.000And I got the idea and I said to my son, you know, I think it's a, it's a, it's, we all know we're in an information war, but I was like, it's like artificial intelligence versus the other artificial intelligence.
00:22:01.000It's like this war between two artificial intelligence things.
00:22:06.000Um, And it's always a war between two things.
00:22:09.000That's how they keep us going and at each other.
00:22:12.000But the real solution, I love what you just, I mean, I agree with everything you just said.
00:22:44.000I said, let's let's not say capitalism or You know, let's go to the next friggin' level of shit and leave this shit behind because it's old, it's over, it's never gonna fuckin' work.
00:23:02.000We've had all these world wars, none of this shit's gonna ever, ever work.
00:23:08.000We have to go to the next step and there's people who are smart enough and we have all the technology in place that we're the right people to, I always say, seize the means of media production.
00:23:22.000We can do it because that's all that stands in the way is people hearing the right information that will trigger and fire up their great imaginations to actually solve some of the fucking problems that human beings deal with that are all unnecessary because somebody's making money off it, off of exasperating the problem.
00:23:45.000Hey, Roseanne, it seems like, you know, in spite of like having a pretty difficult and tumultuous early life, you were born with a spiritual gift, let's say, the gift to entertain, the gift to captivate, the gift to speak in front of people and retain and obtain their attention.
00:24:00.000Then, of course, your show became very successful.
00:24:03.000But it seems to me, at least as an observer, that it was the commodification of Roseanne.
00:24:08.000And I know you had to fight pretty hard to get creative control of your show.
00:24:12.000I wonder if there was ever a time where it felt glorious to you.
00:24:15.000I wonder if there was ever a time when it felt like it worked.
00:24:18.000You mentioned before that we met and of course I remember it because it was a significant moment in my life.
00:24:21.000This was when I was totally enraptured with fame.
00:24:32.000I'm gonna fly closer and closer to the sun.
00:24:34.000I remember meeting you and you had the obvious aura of a star but in addition to that I felt like, you know, I know there's 365 days in a year and maybe I caught you on a date, you know, but you felt like, whoa, this person's dealt with some shit and I felt like you didn't seem like you're like, woohoo!
00:24:52.000I'm so happy to be doing this British TV show, you know, and so I wonder, When did you realise that what happens when you enter the mainstream is it commodifies your gifts, and it, like a vampire, uses you, and when it can't use you no more, it discards you and spits you out?
00:25:11.000Or if you say anything that's antithetical to its aims, it will crush you, it will destroy you, it will rake over your past and find something, invent something, create something to destroy you with, if it has to.
00:25:24.000That this machine that seems so slick and glamorous and seems like the approval that you need when you're a little kid suddenly turns on you like a demon.
00:25:32.000What was it like at the very beginning of it and when did you realize that it was not the thing that it appeared to be?
00:25:43.000How it felt was... I always felt That I was battling because they made it a battle.
00:25:54.000Like when I first, I got to grab this Kleenex because I have the worst allergies, but it always felt like a battle because they made it a battle because, you know, because I was a woman that was that was then in the what was it that I went on stage 1980 the first time and in Denver and it was like There wasn't a lot of women there, you know, I think it was just me and another woman and they were like, Oh, it's just so long to even go into, but it was a battle.
00:26:28.000And I felt like I'm a fucking win because I come from a working class family, you know?
00:27:03.000And so when I got famous, it was just always a fight and it was never not a fight.
00:27:09.000So it was always like, I'm going to fucking fight, you know?
00:27:13.000And I, I, I had the feeling like that I was kicking doors down like, uh, uh, like, uh, like Jonah bark or something for, Well, not just women comics, but for comics that had something to say.
00:27:40.000Those were my idols, and I knew it was gonna be a battle.
00:27:43.000And it never felt like I won or that I was on top or none of that.
00:27:47.000When I was number... When I was number one, because I unseated Bill Cosby's show by the third episode, I became number one, and he went down.
00:27:56.000It wasn't like... I was like, I'm so... I was like... It always felt like We did it.
00:28:04.000You know, I just felt like Jonah Barker or some shit.
00:28:19.000It was always just, I had to fight and win.
00:28:23.000And I never, I never, I know when I got the money, when I first got my paycheck, I was, didn't even know what to do because I was like, oh, now what?
00:28:34.000Now I've, that was the money was a fucked up thing.
00:32:26.000I mean, look at the upside of it, Roseanne.
00:32:28.000And I suppose we're talking about some sexual dynamics there that maybe do advantage the male of our species.
00:32:35.000But it's a very poetic and painful story to hear you fighting and not knowing when you're winning until it appears that the culture is telling you that you've lost.
00:32:45.000Like some poor girl filling up an aircraft hangar with unnecessary furniture, just as a sort of mad image of how materialism can never fill the spiritual void, and how we're given the wrong metric, the wrong pathway, the wrong religion, by our nihilistic, materialistic, evangelical, but heading nowhere, empty, hollow, banal culture.
00:33:11.000Well, one thing that I did do that I just remembered is when I did get rich, besides buying all the dinettes and shit like that, and I was depressed going, I don't know how I'm supposed to be a rich lady and from what I come from.
00:33:26.000Well, one thing that did help me get through is that I started to finance all these lawsuits.
00:33:33.000And that was really fun because I love thinking of lawsuits, you know, and then I would finance them to help Help people sue, especially against the government.
00:33:55.000And like, so I got some blows against the empire in with my money.
00:33:59.000And then I started kind of finding a balance, but it's really hard to go from being a warrior class socialist Red diaper baby to a big Hollywood star.
00:34:16.000And yet the idea is that that's a kind of natural trajectory, that you're somehow participating in the American dream plucked from obscurity and like to become a champagne socialist.
00:34:29.000That was kind of what you're supposed to be doing there, like you're a member of the intelligentsia.
00:34:34.000Now during the Trump-Hillary campaign, there was a lot of talk about Trump being a dog-whistle
00:34:41.000racist, but one of the dog-whistles that's consistently missed, and it's a pretty shrill
00:34:46.000and loud one, is the hatred of ordinary working Americans.
00:34:51.000Because what started off, I suppose, or at least it seemed to, as a personal attack on
00:34:57.000And one can argue the merits and flaws of Donald Trump all day long.
00:35:01.000But certainly it seemed to grant the opportunity to condemn 50% of the population as terrorists.
00:35:08.000And the image that's continually used is of the white working class, not exclusively white,
00:35:13.000because certainly Trump's appeal is growing across numerous racial dynamics as anti-establishment
00:35:20.000politics across the world takes off when people start to recognise, wait a minute, if they
00:35:26.000hate this person, maybe this is my best shot at some kind of victory against the empire,
00:37:55.000That idea that you touched upon earlier about how to keep it simple you can just say it seems like the devil.
00:38:03.000It seems like at heart what they don't want is people to have values that are outside of their prescribed value system that makes people manageable.
00:38:13.000If people that emerge from working class communities And you can steal their boats too, Russell.
00:38:18.000or entertainment or shut down altogether or lifed off into dead-end factory jobs
00:38:25.000or worse or if they can be placated by universal credit and ignored then you
00:38:31.000don't have to address the systems that are creating this and this these systems
00:38:35.000seem to be... And you can steal their boats too Russell.
00:38:38.000Huh is that what you how do you conceal them nullify them not include them not record them?
00:38:48.000I watched that film Selma the other day about, you know, the, like, the historic struggles of Martin Luther King, and it seemed implicit in this film that, like, the inheritors of Dr. King's legacy are the current Democrat Party, whereas the inheritors of the standing at the sides with the Confederacy flags, like, spitting Yahoo white trash, are the Trump voters.
00:39:10.000But it seems to me that if you look at CIA activity then, They were spying on Martin Luther King and CIA activity now they're spying on people that are anti-establishment whether those people are right-wing Jan 6th or left-wing BLM.
00:39:25.000It seems to me that power is still centered on the ability to control perpetuating continual wars Legitimize authoritarianism through crisis or response to crisis.
00:39:38.000It seems to me that, you know, one of the hourglass flips is we don't know who the goodies are anymore.
00:39:43.000And it certainly ain't the current incumbents of the White House who, you know, whether it was Obama or Bush or Biden, perpetuate continual war.
00:39:54.000You do whatever tokenistically they have to do to placate and distract the population while continuing.
00:43:21.000When you said earlier that we're kept in a kind of state of bafflement because of the continual flips, I felt too emotionally we're kept in states of fear.
00:43:31.000You've already mentioned that the vision is a necessary tactic, the continual Divide and conquer and I am also heartened by what appears to be happening certainly in your country but in mine too and across Europe you're we're beginning to see sort of like agricultural movements farmers coming together and in your country and this fascinates me I spent a bit of time in Florida recently Roseanne and I spoke to several like
00:43:57.000Active service people that are so disillusioned with the agenda, trajectory and objectives of the United States.
00:44:07.000And it really struck me, because all the time we're discussing things flipping that appear to be negative.
00:44:11.000Well, I'll tell you one thing that seems to be positive.
00:44:13.00020 years ago, as an English person, if I'd criticized America, people would have took it that I was somehow attacking American people rather than attacking the American military machine, the American corporatist machine.
00:44:26.000Now, people like, now an American patriot is once again someone who does not trust and maybe even hates their government.
00:44:34.000And I'm talking about West Point graduate military personnel.
00:44:38.000And I feel like, whoa, if they're losing those people, they're in some serious trouble.
00:44:43.000Like, because, you know, one of the communities they've got to annihilate, whether it's with fentanyl or bad food or bad TV or bad ideas, is the working class majority.
00:45:28.000The Democrats, they know that no American people will vote for them because we see so clearly that they are the establishment and they have fought all this time.
00:45:37.000They're just like me when I got famous.
00:48:55.000Yeah, it's increasingly difficult to find a way to be awakened.
00:49:01.000So like this point of optimism that you touched on a minute ago, it seemed to me to be about the devolution of power to the most local levels of subsidiarity, that the sanctity of the individual has to be respected.
00:49:15.000And when it comes to power and decisions and control, it should be as near to the people that are affected by it as possible.
00:49:56.000There's so many of us that they can't ignore us anymore.
00:50:00.000Like you said, with the thing of being struck by the love that you were receiving, I was subject to some pretty brutal attacks in the media a few months ago, accused of the worst things that a man can be accused of, I guess.
00:50:11.000and like you go out into the world and people are like, hey, how's it going?
00:50:46.000And now this might be a time where independent politics or politics that's about bringing power local could Become effective again.
00:50:55.000Do you feel like you've got another run in you or do you feel too burned by that?
00:50:59.000And do you feel like it's too much of a dangerous game?
00:51:03.000Well, I always think about it, you know, and I always have it in my head because I can't not do it because it's so much a part of my background and being raised, but I think about Trump being a populist.
00:51:15.000And so I think about populism growing.
00:51:18.000And so I was like, well, if they, if, you know, I said it in a joke, but I just, I just want to support the idea of populism.
00:51:28.000People, You know, being able to have a say in their own existence.
00:51:47.000And that's what the hope of humanity is about, too, especially for women like.
00:51:54.000That we have sovereignty, that all that all people have sovereignty, it seems like It's so top-heavy now that it can't help but fall over, you know?
00:52:05.000Yeah, I think that's where we're heading.
00:52:06.000Can I ask you some questions from people in our audience, Roseanne?
00:52:25.000No, they never were renegades that, like I said, you know, they never were renegades that thought outside the box.
00:52:34.000That was just the image, you know, that they were not the establishment.
00:52:38.000You know, they're still like reacting to Reagan or something, Tony.
00:52:42.000You know, when the counterculture, that was like even before, I can't remember who was president way back during the Vietnam War or something, that counterculture became The establishment and it had an existential crisis because of it.
00:52:57.000So all those actors thought, you know, Hollywood was the counterculture.
00:53:02.000And in fact, you know, just the hourglass flip and became the establishment.
00:53:07.000So they're just, you know, the voices of the establishment.
00:53:12.000And before that, the counterculture, which the establishment owned.
00:53:18.000You know, there wasn't any freedom there ever.
00:53:20.000Nobody could ever get anything they wanted movies made.
00:53:24.000You know, like Apocalypse Now took 10 years to get it made.
00:53:29.000Nobody with any like artistic integrity could get anything made ever.
00:53:34.000You know, and what you had to get in bed with the CIA to get anything made on TV or in movies.
00:53:41.000But now there's all these studios springing up and people are, of course, you can't make $150 million movie, but you can make a $3 million movie.
00:53:51.000So it's just that same thing again, small, you know, don't be afraid to think small, because that's what's gonna kick their ass.
00:54:04.000Carolyn Joy says, where do you see this all going?
00:54:06.000Does the tech driven cashless totally surveilled world hold any promise for working class people or is it heading to a one world government as predicted?
00:54:19.000Well, I think that that's what they wanted, but it became so corrupt that it couldn't possibly do that.
00:54:26.000Because there's not enough money in the world to pay off all the criminals.
00:54:40.000With jacking it up too high, you know?
00:54:43.000Do you think that something significant happened in 2008 and around that crash?
00:54:46.000Do you think that the Occupy movement was something significant?
00:54:49.000I know that you went down there and participated in that movement.
00:54:52.000Did you think that there was potential there?
00:54:54.000Do you think that that somehow got squandered?
00:54:56.000And do you think that something like that could happen again?
00:54:59.000I remember I went down there to see for myself that first day and the way that it occurred to me as I was there watching it.
00:55:09.000Because they were asking me, like, what do we do?
00:55:12.000And I was telling them from the 60s what we did.
00:55:15.000But as I was watching, I was like, this is kind of funny, because the kids on the ground here, and the buildings there where the stockbrokers are, it kind of looked like the kids were yelling up at their own parents.
00:55:29.000That's what it was Occupy Wall Street was like, Hey, Dad, look, you know, I I'm a prudish little fuck and fuck you dad.
00:56:17.000Nobody, nobody who isn't for Nasara and Gasara has any fucking clue as to what to do or what's going on and that's what needs to happen and it will happen and it's extremely biblical.
00:56:34.000It's the jubilee and that's what we need is a debt jubilee and then we can start over again which we need to because money is worthless it don't it don't mean anything it's just paper.
00:56:49.000It seems that because you've experienced so much, because even in your early life, even prior to being touched by fame, you'd experienced a lot and suffered a lot, and it seems, at least to me as an observer, felt a lot of joy, but felt a lot of pain that you've...
00:57:03.000Being on this roller coaster now, and you've got a lot to endow us with, and a lot to teach us.
00:57:09.000I can see why you get attacked in the way that you do, because what happens is when people come out of them communities, when people achieve the dream and then speak from the inside of it and tell you what it's like, it's a very powerful message.
00:57:20.000It nullifies a lot of their poison and it provides an inoculation to another generation.
00:57:26.000And I feel that when people like you, are overtly politicized and become interested in waking
00:57:32.000people up. It's very effective and very dangerous and I'm really excited and surprised by how
00:58:05.000I'd love to talk to you about all of that and many of our viewers are noticing that, I'm sure, I don't know where you are, I know you're in New York, but Queen Elizabeth I is behind you, that great matriarch.
00:58:16.000That Virgin Queen right behind you there that you are echoing almost like an American working-class version of that great Virgin Queen, Roseanne Barr.
00:58:29.000Thank you very much for allowing us into your kingdom.
00:58:48.000I can only imagine that her podcast is brilliant and in-depth.
00:58:51.000You know what I also like about Roseanne?
00:58:53.000The way that she just interrupts you like that.
00:58:55.000I've never had a conversation with Zoom like that ever before with anyone, where they just sort of go, Well yeah, you know, and I'll just talk over you and like with absolute confidence.
00:59:04.000Me, I like, I've had signs made, I've done all sorts of things to try and get over those moments on a Zoom call where you're like, I've been, I've been trying, could you mind if I, could I, like Rosanne absolutely just blasts away like a juggernaut into an answer and a question, even she answered several questions that simply weren't there.
00:59:20.000So you should go and have a look at our podcast.
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