Stay Free - Russel Brand - “THEY’RE CRIMINAL!” | Ex-Coke Whistleblower EXPOSES Big Food & Pharma - Stay Free #180

00:00:00.000 So, so

00:00:20.000 so so

00:00:52.000 so In this video, we're going to...

00:01:01.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:01:13.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:01:14.000 Thanks for joining me today.

00:01:15.000 If you're one of the 6.5 million people watching this on YouTube right now, there's a link in the description.

00:01:20.000 Sneak over to Rumble, home of free speech, because you are gonna love today's show.

00:01:25.000 Kali Means, since he came on our show, I know some of you have seen him on Tucker, let me know in the chat where you saw him first, has made such an incredible impact on our show.

00:01:33.000 He's been on the inside of Big Food and Big Pharma, and he knows what they're keeping in their bowels.

00:01:40.000 He helped write the policies and plans that have enabled them to co-opt our systems and implement corruption, avoid proper regulation and profit from sickness.

00:01:50.000 He believes that sickness is being perpetuated as an industry and is now able to expose those practices plainly.

00:01:57.000 We spoke at Community Festival, my festival, you've got to come next time.

00:01:59.000 And we covered a variety of very important topics, including the reasons behind RFK's surge in the polls, how nutritional foods have been replaced by poison, and how the fear of death was weaponised throughout the pandemic period.

00:02:11.000 This is a fantastic conversation, you're gonna love it.

00:02:14.000 With me now on Stay Free From Community is Callie Means, founder of TruMed.

00:02:19.000 Thank you for joining me, Callie Means.

00:02:20.000 It's been an amazing weekend.

00:02:21.000 It's been amazing, and we've had such a positive response to your content, both here at Community but also on our channel on Rumble.

00:02:28.000 People love the way you describe the problems that we face in the food industry, the way that nutrition has been replaced with poison, The way that money has infiltrated the system to the degree that it's very difficult to get the truth out here.

00:02:41.000 And here we are at a time that feels like we're surrounded by an immersive crisis, and yet there is some hope in the candidacy with my future pull-up opponent.

00:02:53.000 We're doing a pull-up competition.

00:02:55.000 Yeah, no, don't look at my biceps!

00:02:57.000 I've got no chance.

00:02:57.000 I've got no chance, Callie, is the answer.

00:02:59.000 I'm talking, of course, about RFK.

00:03:02.000 What does his emergence as a candidate tell us?

00:03:05.000 What challenges will he face?

00:03:07.000 And what is so significant and important to you about RFK and him standing, Callie?

00:03:13.000 So being here with thousands of people, thousands of people who follow you, Russell, something's very heavy in the air.

00:03:20.000 And I think it's that we're coming off of the biggest public policy mistake of our lifetimes.

00:03:25.000 And we haven't really grappled with that.

00:03:27.000 I mean, the healthcare system has led us down to a historical degree.

00:03:31.000 We had a pandemic that essentially only killed people who are metabolically unhealthy, people that didn't eat well, people that didn't exercise.

00:03:40.000 And in response to that, we closed down gyms but kept the bars open.

00:03:46.000 We told kids to wear masks and stay inside for two years, to the point where 25% of children, according to U.S.

00:03:54.000 and EU health authorities, contemplated suicide during COVID.

00:03:58.000 And we spent every second of the government and media microphone talking about a pharmaceutical intervention when we could have had an international conversation about being better, about putting better food in our bodies, about exercising, about looking at the sunlight, these positive habits that would have prevented COVID deaths and also 80% of the other cause of death in the developed world.

00:04:21.000 We have missed that opportunity.

00:04:23.000 Pharma companies and the healthcare industry have completely let us down and now we're being asked to trust them.

00:04:30.000 Merck and GlaxoSmithKline, the two largest pharmaceutical makers, have paid billions of dollars of criminal penalties in the last decade.

00:04:39.000 Both of those companies have been found liable, criminally liable, for lying about their drugs to patients, leading to deaths of thousands of patients, and paying off doctors.

00:04:50.000 Those two companies.

00:04:51.000 May I just ask, is that outside of the pandemic, and is it, as you say, that's actually a criminal finding?

00:04:57.000 You can move that however you're comfortable, by the way.

00:04:59.000 Are those actually criminal findings, or are they out-of-court settlements, Callie?

00:05:03.000 So actually, there's been some criminal liabilities that were out of court, but criminal admission of guilt for Pfizer, billions of dollars of fines for Merck, for GlaxoSmithKline.

00:05:16.000 These companies that may very well create some life-saving drugs, but have literally, as RFK has said, are criminal enterprises.

00:05:24.000 So after letting us down systematically during COVID, which I don't think we're still fully have grappled with as a society.

00:05:31.000 What do you mean by that?

00:05:32.000 Why do you think we've not grappled with it?

00:05:34.000 We told everyone to stay inside in fear.

00:05:37.000 This was a test run.

00:05:38.000 This was a test run of making everyone wear masks, of making kids stay home, of not questioning the science, of literally government, media, and technology companies essentially outlawing any questioning of science, as they call it.

00:05:55.000 Which was actually questioning these pharmaceutical companies that have been found criminally liable for misleading and killing patients, but because they give five times more money than the oil industry, more money than any other industry to government, because they spend 50%, and I helped steer this, but 50% of news funding comes from pharma, they completely co-opted The both the government and the news sources to make it that the media instead of asking questions, asking questions why it's whether it's a smart idea to lock kids inside and not have them go to school, whether asking questions of, you know, is the fact that we have a 50% diabetes rate connected to the fact that only metabolic and healthy people are dying of COVID.

00:06:39.000 They weren't curious about that.

00:06:40.000 They were a referee.

00:06:41.000 They were the hall monitor to make sure nobody questioned the pharmaceutical solution.

00:06:45.000 I think you're actually onto something here, Callie.

00:06:48.000 You may look like a nerd superman, but I think actually you're describing exactly what happened.

00:06:54.000 You said in one of our previous conversations that the money that these industries, whether it's Big Food, but in particular Big Pharma, spend on advertising is not actually to reach a market and an audience, but it's actually to control the information and data.

00:07:07.000 Will you tell us a little bit more about that, but also how it pertains to the candidacy of my pull-up opponent, RFK?

00:07:15.000 Yes, so I think we just have to, we've been gaslighted to just not use common sense.

00:07:21.000 If an entity receives 55% of their entire funding to keep their lights on and employ their folks, that's going to impact their decision making, right?

00:07:34.000 If the biggest advertisers on social media companies are food companies, pharma companies, things like that, Again, and I just want to hit this point home, 55% of news funding in the United States comes from one industry, from pharma, right?

00:07:49.000 This is going to impact the coverage, and working for pharma companies early in my career, I just cannot make this point strongly enough, and I don't think people fully understand it.

00:07:58.000 Is that the reason pharma companies give so much in advertising dollars is not to impact customers.

00:08:05.000 When you see those goofy pharma ads in the US, you know, people dancing around, it's always like, well, no, it's not to impact you and me.

00:08:12.000 It's to buy the news.

00:08:14.000 So we had a situation, and let's just, again, let's just set the table and tie it to RFK.

00:08:18.000 And I'll just set the table again.

00:08:20.000 We had a pandemic with the worst policy response, a pharma-centric policy response when it was really a metabolic condition.

00:08:26.000 We have 80% of the American people overweight or obese.

00:08:29.000 Rates of autism, allergies, cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, every disease is going up all at once at the same time, as we're spending more to treat them with pharmaceutical drugs.

00:08:39.000 Oh my goodness.

00:08:40.000 This is all happening.

00:08:41.000 Drink your coffee in that case.

00:08:42.000 Do I need to get more wired here?

00:08:44.000 Yeah, you're coming across as lacking passion.

00:08:48.000 And slowly.

00:08:48.000 That's good, that's good.

00:08:52.000 It's amazing what you're saying, mate, because even the stuff, like, listen, everything you want to say, you are going to say, and I'm going to hear it, so don't worry about that.

00:08:59.000 That's why I'm loading you up with caffeine, baby.

00:09:00.000 Get it down you.

00:09:02.000 Because what's really interesting to observe in, let's say, the mainstream media news cycle, in the mainstream media news cycle, what we're seeing is, like, the slow admission that the distancing laws were arbitrary.

00:09:14.000 That's mainstream news.

00:09:15.000 You can say that on YouTube.

00:09:17.000 We're witnessing Chris Whitty, he's the UK expert, the scientific expert in the UK, say that lockdowns were a political decision.

00:09:25.000 This is in an inquiry in the UK, this is public information.

00:09:28.000 That the lockdowns were not a scientific decision, but a political one.

00:09:32.000 What we witnessed, and I think this really plays into your area of expertise, and indeed the endeavours of RFK, ...is an attempt to collapse dogma into science, perhaps in the same way that religious dogma used to be collapsed into the way that society was ordered.

00:09:49.000 It's extraordinary to experience that, isn't it?

00:09:52.000 Do you think, then, that what's being admitted to in the mainstream is just the half of it?

00:09:57.000 Do you think there's much more to be admitted and revealed?

00:10:02.000 It's the biggest issue in the world, right?

00:10:04.000 We're debating part, you know, page 300 of Medicare Part D in the United States, these arcane healthcare legislations.

00:10:11.000 We're getting sicker.

00:10:13.000 As we've talked about, we are being poisoned by a food supply that's 70% ultra-processed food.

00:10:17.000 In the U.S., we have thousands of chemicals that are on our food that are illegal in every other country, loaded with glyphosate, which is a neurotoxin.

00:10:25.000 That's causing damage to our kids' cells where, again, where 20% of kids now have fatty liver disease, where 40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder.

00:10:36.000 We have devastation happening to our children, all because of a similar reason.

00:10:41.000 And there's very limited curiosity about that.

00:10:44.000 There's no questioning about that.

00:10:45.000 You're anti-science. 0.99

00:10:46.000 You're a wacko. 1.00

00:10:47.000 So I think what's happening Let me just make one point on what the strategy is, what the strategy I saw is. 0.92

00:10:54.000 The strategy very clearly among interests like pharma and food is not to debate ideas but to attack the question itself.

00:11:03.000 So if you've noticed there's been a wider and wider aperture of what we're not even allowed, not even to have an idea, we're not even allowed to ask a question.

00:11:10.000 So I think what's resonating about RFK is vaccines Uh, you know, wider than the COVID vaccine.

00:11:18.000 Vaccines probably have done a lot of good, but why are we being hall-monitored from even asking a question of why vaccines basically that are mandated throughout the EU and the US have gone from 20 15 years ago now a six-year-old is basically required to get 71 shots that by their own admission of the vaccine makers The purpose of the vaccine is to irreparably change their immune system 71 shots made by literally just factually speaking companies that are criminal enterprises that have paid more criminal penalties than any company in the history of the world

00:11:51.000 That is, maybe vaccines are fine.

00:11:53.000 I think they probably are for the most part.

00:11:55.000 But why the hell, especially after all we've seen with COVID, are we, our parents, our parents are considered anti-science.

00:12:03.000 They are reprimanded at the pediatrician's office for even asking a question.

00:12:06.000 I think that's one thing RFK is tapping into.

00:12:09.000 Yeah, it's very curious, Callie, because part of the discrediting and mainstream media attacks that Bobby, my friend, is receiving, RFK is receiving, is in no small part as a result of his stance currently and previous stance on vaccine.

00:12:26.000 This is on vaccine and vaccine issues.

00:12:28.000 This is a subject people really do not want Publicly discussed.

00:12:33.000 And it's interesting and valuable to hear that you believe, in the most part, many vaccines may be effective.

00:12:38.000 And I've heard RFK say the same thing also.

00:12:41.000 So what exactly are you driving at, mate?

00:12:43.000 Why do you think that you're not allowed to ask these questions if you're saying that the vaccines themselves are healthy?

00:12:49.000 If RFK, in significant part, are healthy?

00:12:52.000 What is it that you're actually saying?

00:12:54.000 What is being masked?

00:12:55.000 What is being controlled?

00:12:56.000 what is being curtailed? Well I think you should obviously be extremely skeptical

00:13:00.000 when somebody's trying to restrict speech or even questioning of something.

00:13:04.000 I mean that's just, history teaches us that. There's never been a side that's

00:13:08.000 systematically trying to prevent speech on a societally important issue that's

00:13:12.000 So I think that immediately, you know, in Europe and in the U.S.

00:13:16.000 where we value free speech should perk our ears up a little bit.

00:13:19.000 Why?

00:13:19.000 The argument is very simple on the vaccines.

00:13:23.000 It's that this is such an important institution that we are too stupid to ask questions because it'll confuse people if we even have any nuance. 0.84

00:13:31.000 That's literally the verbatim argument that the health authorities give. 0.95

00:13:34.000 Dr. Fauci has said that, essentially. 1.00

00:13:36.000 That we're too stupid to even have a nuanced debate. 1.00

00:13:40.000 And this is a battle. 1.00

00:13:41.000 This is a battle that you're at the forefront of, and Barry Weiss, and Joe Rogan, and many... I think it is, not to puff you up too much, but this is a historical moment where there's a fight right now.

00:13:51.000 Because these large industries, tech, pharma, pharma's the biggest spinner of them all, is trying to police the debate and not even have questions.

00:14:01.000 I'll take it one other somewhat hot topic, but I think it's probably very likely that, you know, some trans children might need some interventions.

00:14:13.000 But we should absolutely be able to talk about it without being called transphobes,

00:14:18.000 of whether this is wise that we're doling out millions of puberty blockers in the United States.

00:14:24.000 But that debate, and I'll tell you, this is the exact playbook I saw,

00:14:27.000 there's billions of dollars on the line for pharma.

00:14:30.000 And pharma companies, large pharma companies, are donating millions to civil rights groups and gay rights

00:14:37.000 groups to explicitly call anyone who even asks a question homophobic and transphobic.

00:14:43.000 So when you shut down the debate, it protects their power, but it should perk our ears up.

00:14:48.000 And we should be able to talk about these kinds of things.

00:14:50.000 Of course you should be able to talk about everything.

00:14:51.000 There's several subjects here that are beginning to align and coalesce, Callie, and I want to make sure that we cover them all.

00:15:00.000 One is that we are being treated as children by the corporate state partnership.

00:15:07.000 It's become a didactic, pedagogical relationship where we are instructed and informed and we are not allowed to ask questions.

00:15:14.000 Even children at school have a period where they're allowed to ask questions.

00:15:18.000 As long as we put their hands up nicely, you are allowed to legitimately ask questions.

00:15:23.000 That's interesting and it's frightening.

00:15:25.000 When we have a figure with some significant heft, like RFK, appear in this space, they're being shut down and closed down.

00:15:34.000 When berserker figures, who I know a lot of our audience love, like Trump, emerge, they're shut down for being too right-wing.

00:15:40.000 RFK is too, well, not left-wing, but too wacko and too conspiratorial.

00:15:45.000 As you say, the aperture for accepted discussion is increasingly being closed down.

00:15:51.000 And I recognize that this, the issue around, because I believe in freedom and my belief in individual freedom is absolute.

00:15:59.000 Therefore it encompasses all the entire spectrum.

00:16:02.000 If people, people with regard to their identity, their gender, absolute freedom.

00:16:07.000 I feel that it's no one else's business and everybody should be welcomed and celebrated and this is a mutual relationship that we afford one another.

00:16:14.000 So I'm completely happy with that.

00:16:16.000 This infantilization, this disempowerment is most interesting.

00:16:20.000 It's most interesting.

00:16:22.000 Everyone is being spoken to as if they are children.

00:16:24.000 And how are our children actually being treated when it comes to food and when it comes to pharma?

00:16:30.000 What emergent trends have you observed, Callie, that are significant?

00:16:37.000 So we've been talking a lot this weekend.

00:16:41.000 A lot of people have been coming up to me, it's like, you know, we need to throw people in jail.

00:16:45.000 You know, everyone at pharma companies, the healthcare industry, what's happening to our kids is criminal.

00:16:50.000 And I've been thinking a lot about the motivations, because kids are getting slaughtered and we can go into that, but the motivations.

00:16:56.000 I think the problem with the system, or really the genius of the system, is that it takes good people.

00:17:03.000 You know, healthcare is the most employed industry in the United States.

00:17:05.000 Most doctors get in for the right reasons.

00:17:07.000 Most pharma researchers get in for the right reasons.

00:17:09.000 It takes good people and all of them have plausible deniability.

00:17:13.000 All of them are treating patients one-on-one, creating, you know, doing research, running the pharma company, whatever.

00:17:20.000 Nobody has any culpability in asking why everyone's getting sick.

00:17:24.000 And this invisible hand of the largest industry in Europe and the United States, healthcare, has produced incentives where this industry makes more money when somebody is sicker for longer periods of time.

00:17:43.000 And we've had type 2 diabetes.

00:17:45.000 It used to be called early onset diabetes when you got it below like 40.

00:17:49.000 They've dropped early onset.

00:17:50.000 Now 30% of new diabetes cases are among teenagers.

00:17:54.000 Now Alzheimer's is dramatically getting younger and younger and younger.

00:17:58.000 They're gonna drop their early onset Alzheimer's label because Alzheimer's is later stage diabetes.

00:18:03.000 So everything's going younger and younger.

00:18:06.000 Again, I always talk about this diabetes statistic with kids.

00:18:10.000 That's important, I didn't understand.

00:18:11.000 Are you saying that there's a direct corollary between diabetes and Alzheimer's?

00:18:16.000 You're saying it's the same condition?

00:18:17.000 Alzheimer's is called now type 3 diabetes.

00:18:20.000 Why?

00:18:21.000 Alzheimer's is a metabolic condition of the brain.

00:18:25.000 If you have normal metabolic health, if you have normal fasting glucose levels, normal cholesterol levels, normal blood pressure, the biomarkers of metabolic health, you have an almost 0% chance of having Alzheimer's and those biomarkers are under control.

00:18:39.000 There's very few people with Alzheimer's that don't have prediabetes or diabetes.

00:18:44.000 Diabetes is a very misunderstood topic.

00:18:46.000 I've talked to Harvard doctors who treat diabetes that don't even understand how it's caused.

00:18:49.000 Diabetes is really the underpinning of a lot of other conditions.

00:18:53.000 Diabetes is blood sugar dysregulation, which is cellular dysregulation.

00:18:58.000 Glucose, which is a key energy source for our cells, can come from our bodies.

00:19:02.000 it doesn't even need to come from food.

00:19:04.000 As we've ramped sugar up, sugar intake up 100x in 100 years, you know, had government guidelines

00:19:10.000 in the food pyramid in the 1990s, which were transferred to Europe,

00:19:13.000 saying that we should eat more carbs, less, you know, meat, less healthy fats, things like that.

00:19:18.000 That has wreaked havoc on our metabolic health.

00:19:21.000 So our organs are nothing more than cells.

00:19:24.000 And when diabetes is cellular dysregulation, as our cells are dysregulating,

00:19:28.000 that impacts, you know, liver failure.

00:19:31.000 That impacts our heart, right, which is heart disease.

00:19:34.000 It impacts our brain, which turns into depression and other mental health symptoms.

00:19:38.000 Metabolic health is the underpinning, and yes, Alzheimer's is highly tied to that.

00:19:47.000 But as I've talked about here at the conference, when my sister graduated from Stanford Med School, she chose between 42 subspecialties.

00:19:55.000 A doctor, when they graduate, chooses between... We have aggregated the body into 42 parts.

00:20:02.000 My sister became a head and neck surgeon, and then she would do a fellowship to do a smaller part of the face.

00:20:07.000 Her mentor had a fellowship and devoted his entire life to one square millimeter of the

00:20:12.000 body.

00:20:13.000 That's advancement in medicine and it's very profitable.

00:20:16.000 But you can imagine, let's talk about a kid, right?

00:20:19.000 And let's talk about tying it back to kids, why it's so profitable to get people on the

00:20:23.000 chronic disease bandwagon.

00:20:26.000 If a kid is overweight, which 50% of teens are right now, and they're told no problem,

00:20:32.000 take Ozempic, which we've talked about, a drug, and they keep eating bad food, they're

00:20:36.000 going to inevitably have high blood pressure, need a statin.

00:20:39.000 They're going to have high fasting glucose, need metformin.

00:20:42.000 They're going to be on this treadmill as they keep putting bad food into their bodies. 0.57

00:20:48.000 It's very simple.

00:20:49.000 Keep not moving, being sedentary, but the drugs are moral hazards and they're telling

00:20:53.000 the kid this is doing something, but it's not.

00:20:55.000 That's why as we prescribe more drugs, all disease rates are going up.

00:21:00.000 It's amazing.

00:21:00.000 sort of self-sustaining system. It's sort of miraculous.

00:21:02.000 Yeah, it's amazing. It's very impressive. No, it's very impressive.

00:21:05.000 It's gone out of hand though, hasn't it? It's plainly gone out of hand.

00:21:08.000 We've lost our way.

00:21:09.000 In a sense, you see that the, in a way what has happened is we've reached

00:21:13.000 almost immersive total commodification, where the all that remains is that

00:21:19.000 you're just the sentient blob that you can patch stuff onto, that you can

00:21:23.000 extract energy from, that you can punch drugs into. When you say, and I was

00:21:27.000 struck by this when you said it in our conversation yesterday here at

00:21:30.000 community, that we had, and you said it just then again, you're actually

00:21:34.000 getting a bit repetitive.

00:21:35.000 I'm not mucking about.

00:21:37.000 I'm not mucking about.

00:21:39.000 I can't get my head around, Callie, but we eat a hundred times more sugar now than we're evolved to.

00:21:49.000 In this baffling, confusing space where we try to mesh together respect for people's traditions, respect for progressivism, necessary respect for diversity in all of diversity's forms, whether that's traditional or newly emergent and newly described, if not newly emergent.

00:22:07.000 Some of the things that I reach towards are, how did human beings live for a long, long while?

00:22:12.000 And diet is one of the ways that we can kind of track that and observe it.

00:22:17.000 Human beings, their diets would have been determined by geography and environment.

00:22:22.000 Human beings that lived in this place would have eaten these foods.

00:22:25.000 It's plain and well understood that we would not have encountered sugar except for in fruit, and we would have encountered it in most cases, seldom and rarely.

00:22:35.000 So when our food concentrates these highly addictive substances, these refined and extracted highly addictive substances, like sugar, like seed oils, which of course you've spoken about lucidly and extensively before, I recognize that we have, and this is important to me as an addict, a sort of a model of addiction.

00:22:53.000 We stare at screens that they have evolved to make highly addictive in the way we interact with them, and make the content rewarding and addictive in a way that we're not evolved to appreciate or control the way that it affects our dopamine levels, for example.

00:23:06.000 When it comes to diet, we are not evolved to deal with sugar in this degree.

00:23:10.000 I say this as a parent.

00:23:11.000 I'm trying my best with my kids, man.

00:23:13.000 You know, when it gets too much, I'm like, screen, sugar.

00:23:16.000 You know, like that's how one of the... it's become like a defa... and I'm a person that is working about as hard as I can to awaken.

00:23:22.000 So what do we do when we're living essentially outside of our nature, outside of our own evolutionary trajectory?

00:23:29.000 There's a centrifugal institutional force to train. 0.53

00:23:32.000 At Stanford Med School, they told my sister day one that patients are lazy. 0.98

00:23:36.000 That we stand at the hospital with our prescription pad and our scalpel to help this lazy American population that's going to eat their Big Macs and drink their Cokes.

00:23:45.000 They have engendered into the medical system this cynicism about the American people.

00:23:53.000 What I think is actually happening is we have a drug problem.

00:23:56.000 I think we've totally been gaslighted over how even a drug is defined.

00:24:01.000 If you look at the biggest killing drugs, sugar is by far number one.

00:24:05.000 Sugar counts by all of the definitions as a drug.

00:24:08.000 If you show a brain scan of a child that just chugged a Coke and somebody on another illicit

00:24:15.000 drug, obviously there's ranges of the degree, but the areas of the brain that light up are

00:24:21.000 the exact same.

00:24:23.000 Sugar meets every definition of a drug, and if you tie just sodas, they tie that to 200,000

00:24:28.000 needless deaths a year, just sodas.

00:24:31.000 This is a totally new invention, just really in the past 60 years that's been popularized,

00:24:35.000 of sugar liquefied that goes straight to the bloodstream.

00:24:38.000 You'd have to eat like 30 oranges to get the amount of sugar in one Coke that you can drink

00:24:44.000 in one minute, and the oranges have fiber that blunt the glucose impact.

00:24:48.000 So these are real weapons of mass destruction that go directly.

00:24:51.000 So you can imagine the cells again use glucose for energy.

00:24:54.000 It's bombarding those cells to an evolutionary unprecedented degree.

00:25:00.000 With the energy source.

00:25:02.000 And it pumps out.

00:25:03.000 That's why our blood sugar levels are going up.

00:25:04.000 Because the glucose should be used by the mitochondria actually to burn and produce energy.

00:25:09.000 But it's saying too much, too much.

00:25:10.000 And that's what blood sugar represents.

00:25:12.000 That's why blood sugar diabetes represents an overall issue.

00:25:15.000 Because it represents that we have too much energy.

00:25:17.000 And that energy turns to fat.

00:25:20.000 So that's what's happening.

00:25:21.000 So yeah, it's been weaponized.

00:25:25.000 It's interesting because when you said that about the deluge of glucose, I felt like the deluge of information, and the amount, the amount, the sort of, uh, the diluvian measure, uh, amount of information that we're swamped with, flooded with, that was the image that I had.

00:25:40.000 We're flooded without, we're flooded within.

00:25:43.000 But I get the impression from speaking with you, Callie, that you're not a regulation guy, that you're not like, well that's why the state needs to come in and ban sugar, and that's why Coke shouldn't be sold, and that's why all McDonald's should be shut shut down, get Ronald McDonald, ba-bam, shoot him in the 0.98

00:25:56.000 face. 0.94

00:25:56.000 I don't feel like that's what you're saying. 0.94

00:25:58.000 What are you, what do we, you know, what do we do now, mate, that you have this access?

00:26:02.000 Of course, in case you don't know this before, of course, Cali worked in the food industry,

00:26:06.000 and earlier on you referred to it, you said something like, almost referred to almost

00:26:09.000 a strategy that you said that you started to, that you dreamed up.

00:26:14.000 So what I've been talking with you before is, you know, my baptism in this more than

00:26:18.000 a decade ago was around the food stamp debate where still to this day on our biggest program

00:26:23.000 for lower income nutrition subsidence, 10% of that goes to Coke in the United States.

00:26:27.000 Now that's up for debate right now to be renewed for another five years.

00:26:31.000 The food stamp program?

00:26:32.000 Yeah.

00:26:33.000 Because when you mentioned this yesterday, right, this is what I hear as a good, as a person that's very sympathetic to people that are on welfare.

00:26:39.000 I've received welfare numerous times in my life.

00:26:41.000 I was a kid that got free school dinners at school.

00:26:45.000 I signed on, lived on welfare for a while.

00:26:47.000 My mum, single mother benefits and stuff like that.

00:26:50.000 So when I hear arguments around diminishing welfare, what I hear is an attack on the poorest, most vulnerable people.

00:26:57.000 So what are you describing?

00:27:00.000 So I am not a fan of regulation, but I think actually this anti-regulation conservative principles,

00:27:05.000 and I consider myself a libertarian, have been kind of bastardized.

00:27:09.000 I think what happens is you have food companies lobbying tens of millions of dollars

00:27:13.000 to have government programs go to subsidize things like soda, which is the number one item on food stamps,

00:27:19.000 and then it's crying foul if people ask whether that's a smart idea of where to use government money

00:27:24.000 for a government nutrition program.

00:27:25.000 It is criminal to have a single mom who's dependent on a government program for her child's nutrition. 0.99

00:27:31.000 She's assuming there's at least some sanity in that program.

00:27:34.000 But 70% of that program, we're the only country in the world.

00:27:38.000 In Europe, you're not allowed to buy soda, which is diabetes water, which is downstream

00:27:43.000 effects of trillions of dollars to the health budget.

00:27:46.000 It's just insanity.

00:27:47.000 And that's not taking something away from- What do you do then?

00:27:50.000 You say, buy food stamps, then suddenly hungry children.

00:27:53.000 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:27:54.000 What do we do?

00:27:55.000 No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:27:56.000 We should, no.

00:27:57.000 The highest leverage, this is what I'm more, and Marco Rubio on the right, Cory Booker

00:27:59.000 on the left, they're talking about this.

00:28:01.000 This is a bipartisan issue.

00:28:02.000 No, no.

00:28:03.000 We should be the biggest, the greatest thing we can do when we fund that soda for lower

00:28:07.000 income kids.

00:28:09.000 We're signing our own bankruptcy as a country.

00:28:12.000 We talk about the military-industrial complex, we talk about all of these issues.

00:28:16.000 We are spending two times more on diabetes management in the United States budget than the Defense Department.

00:28:22.000 No!

00:28:23.000 You're spending more money on diabetes!

00:28:26.000 Healthcare is what is bankrupting the country.

00:28:29.000 It's multiples more than the Defense Department.

00:28:32.000 The U.S.

00:28:33.000 experiment will end.

00:28:36.000 And the main, if it does, if the U.S.

00:28:39.000 experiment ends, it's not going to be because of the military issues.

00:28:43.000 It's not going to be because of these social issues we're talking about.

00:28:46.000 It's going to be because we let our population get sicker, fatter, more depressed, more infertile, while bankrupting the country. 0.61

00:28:52.000 It's 20% of our GDP right now, and it's the fastest growing industry in the United States.

00:28:56.000 So it's going to be 40% of our GDP in about 15 years.

00:28:59.000 And most of that's coming from the government.

00:29:01.000 The government's fighting most of that bill.

00:29:03.000 So we're actually subsidizing that destruction. Right. It's all and again, I just want to

00:29:09.000 hammer this home. 85% of health care costs are tied to preventable metabolic conditions.

00:29:13.000 You could wipe out heart disease and diabetes, which are two of the largest killers tomorrow

00:29:18.000 if you change the food. Go on. How? How would you do it?

00:29:21.000 I'll tell you right now.

00:29:27.000 So on a program like Food Stamps, we need to stop funding the food that's leading to our destruction.

00:29:33.000 So no, no, absolutely.

00:29:34.000 And this is bipartisan.

00:29:35.000 We don't want to end Food Stamps.

00:29:37.000 We should, on a government nutrition program, be steering families to food that's nutritious.

00:29:42.000 Steering.

00:29:43.000 Where does this become regulating?

00:29:44.000 Because I think you're right.

00:29:47.000 If you're spending as a government $150 billion to help lower income folks get food, you should ensure that that is whole food.

00:29:57.000 It's just that simple.

00:29:58.000 You should not be subsidizing cigarettes.

00:30:01.000 You shouldn't be subsidizing marijuana.

00:30:05.000 Because what that starts to sound like is excessive regulation for the poorest, vulnerable people, but not the regulation that's necessary for the corporations that are creating this food.

00:30:13.000 Now, I'm down for making sure that people get supported and eat healthy food.

00:30:18.000 That is the aim.

00:30:19.000 But one of the challenges, I think, with libertarianism, and this is a big topic, man, If the problem here is the billions Pfizer are spending on advertising, if the problem is Big Food's ability to capture and control a market and control information, where does the regulation happen?

00:30:37.000 Some poor cow bringing up three kids, you know, have an apple. 1.00

00:30:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:42.000 It can't be that.

00:30:43.000 Well, I'd say as a high level, I hear you, but I'd say as a high level, we do through food stamps, through subsidies, through federal lunch programs, which are totally bought off by food companies that go to really unnutritious meals.

00:30:55.000 We subsidize ultra processed food to the tune of over $100 billion per year.

00:31:00.000 So I would just say at a high level, don't subsidize ultra processed food.

00:31:04.000 And I do think in a free market, if you actually have rational, not subsidizing poison and subsidized healthy food, you would have companies come in and try to provide better options.

00:31:16.000 But the Food Stamps SNAP program does pervert the market to where you talk about these food deserts and no nutritious options.

00:31:22.000 That's because the main program for lower-income communities is all going to highly addictive processed food.

00:31:28.000 So I think at a high level, I would say if people want to do one thing,

00:31:31.000 it's call your member of Congress and say, you know, we really need to have food stamps be a

00:31:36.000 nutritious program.

00:31:37.000 I think that's important.

00:31:38.000 But we subsidize it.

00:31:39.000 And then RFK's talked about this, but there's a couple quick things we could do.

00:31:43.000 The executive order could happen tomorrow to make the US not the only country in the world that

00:31:48.000 allows these pharmaceutical ads.

00:31:50.000 Again, they're the number one ad spender right now, and it's buying the news.

00:31:54.000 Only New Zealand allows that.

00:31:55.000 European countries don't allow that.

00:31:56.000 That could be struck in tomorrow.

00:31:58.000 Why isn't Joe Biden doing that?

00:31:59.000 I don't know.

00:32:00.000 What could you do?

00:32:01.000 You could say no pharma ads.

00:32:03.000 No pharma ads.

00:32:04.000 That's another good rule.

00:32:04.000 You could say pharma's not allowed to do advertising.

00:32:06.000 You could say pharma's not allowed.

00:32:07.000 And then the main issue is...

00:32:09.000 Is that the USDA right now, again, says 10% sugar.

00:32:14.000 So when I was working for the food and pharma companies, we would have a donation strategy to academics.

00:32:20.000 And the key thing to understand is that these panels that make nutrition guidelines, these panels that approve drugs, aren't individual employees at the NIH or other government bureaucracies.

00:32:30.000 They're outside experts.

00:32:32.000 In the case of the nutrition guidelines, which the U.S.

00:32:35.000 requires the EU to accept as a matter of research, grant funding, partnerships, 95% of the people that make the nutrition guidelines are directly paid.

00:32:46.000 Directly paid by food companies, by sugar companies, and by pharma companies.

00:32:49.000 So you have a 95%.

00:32:51.000 Dr. Fatima Cody-Stanford, who's the doctor we've talked about before from Harvard, who says obesity is a brain disease and genetic, she is on the guideline committee.

00:32:59.000 of what our children should be eating, of the preeminent nutrition guidelines.

00:33:04.000 So the US can also just say kids shouldn't eat sugar. If the US said that, if the guidelines

00:33:10.000 actually said that, there wouldn't be, there would be more stigma to serving kids sugar. 0.59

00:33:14.000 Do you know one of the miracles of our age, the miracle is the information that gets amplified

00:33:18.000 and the information that gets obscured. You know, some information you can tell that they're just

00:33:22.000 like, turn up this information.

00:33:24.000 What about the rights of the individual?

00:33:25.000 What about people can be who they want to be?

00:33:27.000 Good information.

00:33:27.000 Rank that up.

00:33:29.000 Information that advertising is completely funded by Big Pharma. 1.00

00:33:33.000 Turn that shit down. 0.99

00:33:34.000 That these expert confederations are receiving their information by paid for experts. 1.00

00:33:40.000 That's all turned down.

00:33:41.000 It's like almost white noise.

00:33:43.000 The reason I was keen for you to meet Vandana Shiva, who's also been appearing here at Community Festival, was because when you're talking about the necessity for whole food to be eaten, and she's talking about the necessity for farmers to have control of the land, you recognize that in Confederacy, In alliance, in cooperation, we have a chance.

00:34:03.000 But the, let's call it them for simplicity's sake, the institutional elites that are in both the corporate and state spaces, that are systemic rather than individual personalities, let's say gracefully, they are Cooperating in order to... The agriculture is being shut down.

00:34:20.000 Farmers aren't able to farm anymore. 0.89

00:34:21.000 Synthetic food is being created.

00:34:24.000 The food companies are ensuring that you don't have access to the correct data.

00:34:29.000 The Heart Federation accept money from big food.

00:34:32.000 Diabetes, they accept money from big food.

00:34:35.000 So the people that are giving you advice on what food to eat if you have cancer, diabetes or heart disease, accept money from people that make food that's bad for you.

00:34:42.000 They can't outright say... You're sort of saying, If tomorrow we just went, only eat locally grown food, don't worry about the vegan arguments, even though I'm a vegan, eat healthy food that's, you know, that's grazed or grown near where you are, wherever possible. 0.96

00:34:55.000 The first challenges that people face there are like, oh no, shit, that breaks a lot of monolithic models down.

00:35:02.000 Of course it presents a lot of challenges to change the agriculture. 0.95

00:35:05.000 You know, the thing is, I suppose, is that we have a big ideological conversation to have, Callie, because I agree with you on the libertarian... The aspect of libertarianism I'm 100% on.

00:35:16.000 Individual freedom.

00:35:17.000 Individual freedom.

00:35:18.000 The challenge that we have is, we as individuals cannot confront this massive... So it obviously has to be consensual, democratic opposition to globalization.

00:35:26.000 Without consensual, democratic opposition to globalization, we are fucked. 1.00

00:35:31.000 Double-fucked fast, I think. 1.00

00:35:32.000 From the food, agriculture, pharma, globalism, culture, censorship, surveillance. 0.95

00:35:38.000 It's coming at us at every single angle.

00:35:39.000 So that's why one of the things we emphasize here is get over your culture arguments really, really quickly.

00:35:44.000 Really quickly. 0.99

00:35:45.000 If you hate Trump voters, just go, oh, fucking, I don't care about it. 1.00

00:35:48.000 If you hate people because they're well into trans issues, drop that shit. 1.00

00:35:53.000 Drop it now. 1.00

00:35:54.000 Drop it. 0.99

00:35:56.000 Unless someone's directly making you vote for Trump or wanting to do your genitals. 0.97

00:36:01.000 Drop it! 1.00

00:36:02.000 Unless it's you, drop it! 0.92

00:36:02.000 Drop it! 0.92

00:36:04.000 Yeah, man.

00:36:05.000 But look, there's a lot there.

00:36:07.000 There's so much.

00:36:08.000 Because you bring such good information, and because you retain information so well, and you communicate so brilliantly, almost every sentence you talk about could have its own little sidebar or little drop-down.

00:36:17.000 But what I want to ask you now, because I know it's important to you, is the way that you were personally impacted by the loss of your mother during the coronavirus.

00:36:26.000 era and how you bring that together mate with what you're saying about these are

00:36:30.000 metabolic deaths and how that personally fueled your mission and purpose

00:36:34.000 as well as that of both your father and your sister. I know you have a lot of love for

00:36:38.000 and a lot of respect for and you call her an inspiration and stuff so

00:36:40.000 tell us about that. So I think this is the classic American story but

00:36:44.000 my mom, I was born at 12 pounds and the doctors were like okay

00:36:48.000 Too big. Yeah, the doctors were like high-fiving her, great job. 0.99

00:36:51.000 Then she had trouble losing weight after I was born. It's like oh that's normal

00:36:55.000 50 percent of Americans are overweight. Then she got a blood test,

00:36:59.000 elevated cholesterol, statin prescription.

00:37:02.000 A couple years later, elevated blood glucose level, metformin, high blood pressure.

00:37:07.000 So she was on, by the time she was 70, five drugs and was called healthy by her doctors.

00:37:13.000 There's nine prescriptions per American per year in the United States.

00:37:13.000 That's normal.

00:37:16.000 The average American sees 19 doctors of different specialties before they die.

00:37:19.000 So it was all these rites of passage, all these normal things.

00:37:22.000 And of course my big birth was a sign of metabolic dysfunction.

00:37:25.000 And then during the COVID era, she was taking a hike with my dad, had a pain in her stomach, went to get a scan, stage four pancreatic cancer.

00:37:35.000 And we talked to the oncologist and the oncologist said, we need to do immediate interventions right now.

00:37:44.000 And my sister, who's a surgeon trained at Stanford, said, wait a minute, what is this going to do?

00:37:50.000 What are these interventions going to do?

00:37:51.000 What's our chances?

00:37:53.000 30% it was going to extend her life three weeks, 30% neutral, 30% it would actually harm her.

00:37:59.000 And to the protest of the hospital, we took her home, and the 12 days that we spent with her as she died, it was only 12 days, was the most impactful of my life.

00:38:08.000 The final moment, we carried her to the beach, which she loved in Northern California, and she embraced my dad, and she said, life is so beautiful, and looked over the ocean, and then literally lost consciousness.

00:38:19.000 Yeah.

00:38:20.000 And that would have been taken, A, if we listened to the doctors who were jumping into action once there was something to treat.

00:38:26.000 Those interventions would have made millions of dollars.

00:38:28.000 The system jumped when she had the cancer, when the car had already crashed.

00:38:34.000 There was no warning sign, no warning sign over 40 years of all of these rites of passage for an average person, right?

00:38:42.000 The statin, the metformin, all these biomarkers that the doctor kind of throws a pill at.

00:38:46.000 Those were warning signs of the underlying metabolic dysfunction.

00:38:51.000 So that's, that's why I'm in this fight.

00:38:53.000 My sister and I really galvanized to, we need to see symptoms as gifts.

00:38:57.000 We need to have curiosity about the interconnectedness of our body.

00:39:01.000 Yes.

00:39:02.000 And the doctors at Stanford, the lead oncologists in the world, were saying it was a tough break, unlucky, that my mom got pancreatic cancer.

00:39:10.000 No, pancreatic cancer, many forms of cancer, almost any disease you can think of, is highly tied to these warning signs you're inevitably facing.

00:39:18.000 And that's the paradigm we have to shift.

00:39:20.000 And I'll just say real quick, you know, what to do.

00:39:24.000 And it is daunting thinking about.

00:39:27.000 But I would say, and you're pushing this so hard, let's not put ourselves in this left-right, you know, do you support industry, do you not?

00:39:34.000 We're put in these boxes almost by, I think, the powers that be.

00:39:38.000 We have to be critically thinking.

00:39:40.000 When it comes to chronic conditions, the medical system does not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

00:39:45.000 We deserve to ask our own questions.

00:39:47.000 We know our bodies better.

00:39:49.000 We are the only animal, us and animals we've domesticated, that have chronic metabolic dysfunction.

00:39:56.000 There's not chronic rates of cancer and diabetes in wild animals.

00:40:01.000 A wolf has a 1% cancer rate.

00:40:04.000 A dog that we've domesticated and feed processed crap and keep inside sedentary has a 50% cancer rate. 0.57

00:40:09.000 Amazing.

00:40:10.000 The studies are there.

00:40:11.000 There's your control group.

00:40:13.000 Yeah, that's what we took from my mom.

00:40:17.000 And I really do feel that gift that we got from ignoring the medical system in her last 12 days,

00:40:22.000 watching her really embrace us and embrace life and read hundreds of letters from people she's impacted,

00:40:29.000 it put into my sister and I this idea that if we can just use our small time here

00:40:35.000 to try to push this forward, it's got to be an individual awakening.

00:40:40.000 And that's going to lead to cultural and societal change, I'm guaranteed, if we can keep the free speech channels

00:40:46.000 open, which there is, I believe, historical level attack.

00:40:52.000 I think people are very fearful of the free speech that's happening, quite frankly.

00:40:58.000 It's very disruptive to large industries, so that's why we're in the fight.

00:41:02.000 Nice one, Kelly Means.

00:41:03.000 That was really, really beautifully articulated.

00:41:05.000 Excellent, excellent.

00:41:07.000 What a beautiful mission, what a beautiful purpose you've chosen.

00:41:09.000 I mean, you didn't talk about RFK enough.

00:41:12.000 But other than that, it was absolutely perfect.

00:41:13.000 That's why we need, obviously, figures that are willing to come to the mainstream and raise these issues, debate these issues, highlight these issues.

00:41:20.000 And thank God we have the diffuse media space that we currently have, where someone that's excluded from the mainstream, except to be smeared there, can still have a voice.

00:41:30.000 Kelly, thank you so much.

00:41:31.000 Thanks for that wonderful conversation.

00:41:33.000 Thanks for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand, live from Community.

00:41:37.000 Until next time, stay free.

00:41:38.000 Thanks for refusing Fox News.

00:41:40.000 I'm on the do. 1.00

00:41:41.000 Here's the fucking news. 1.00

00:41:41.000 No. 1.00

00:41:43.000 Are we on the brink of a psychedelics revolution where wellness and well-being are enhanced by medicines that have

00:41:51.000 been available in some cases for centuries?

00:41:53.000 Or is it just gonna be another big pharma con?

00:41:57.000 BLEH! 1.00

00:41:59.000 Where you can get more consciousness, apparently, is by using powerful psychedelic substances.

00:42:04.000 Tell us if you think this is a vital part of the future.

00:42:06.000 Tell us if, like Elon Musk and Sergey Brin, you believe that these medicines will enhance your consciousness, enhance your personal experience, and enhance our collective experience, or whether they will become commodified and controlled by the same big pharma interests that perhaps kept this technology down for a long while.

00:42:25.000 Let's see how the mainstream media are covering this topic.

00:42:28.000 Lots of people drink coffee before they go to work.

00:42:29.000 Of course, others, believe it or not, drop acid.

00:42:32.000 Can you imagine that?

00:42:33.000 I like to see a good bit of mainstream news.

00:42:35.000 Others just take acid.

00:42:37.000 It's illegal, so we're not endorsing it, but I don't know where we are anymore.

00:42:41.000 The world's changing.

00:42:43.000 It's illegal, but only on 5 Tonight, Kate Cogearan on the growing number of Bay Area professionals who say tiny doses of LSD give them the competitive edge they need.

00:42:53.000 How odd to see LSD and psychedelics more broadly which in a sense are essentially about dissolving the self and looking beyond egoic motivation and recognizing that your conditioning can be overcome.

00:43:07.000 To see that rebooted, rebolted and redirected and utilized towards gaining wealth, becoming more effective at work.

00:43:16.000 We've seen this many times.

00:43:17.000 Meditate so that you can be better at your job.

00:43:19.000 Do yoga.

00:43:20.000 So that you can be better at your job?

00:43:22.000 Everything is directed towards in order that you can fit into this system.

00:43:25.000 The problem with psychedelics is it's fundamentally about breaking systems and of course we must create new systems.

00:43:32.000 I'm not suggesting that we live in chaos or the type of anarchy that suggests a total lack of order.

00:43:38.000 I'm talking about the type of anarchy that suggests a lack of domination, freedom, Maximum amount of freedom.

00:43:44.000 When people awaken individually, perhaps because of psychedelic experiences, let me know if you've had any.

00:43:49.000 I've, in the past, had those type of experiences.

00:43:51.000 I'm in recovery now, so it's not something that I can get involved in.

00:43:53.000 But the idea that this will become commodified is an obvious one.

00:43:58.000 It's obvious that the kind of interests that are able to dominate media and big pharma will apply their existing methodology to a technology or medicine that could be utilized to truly change things.

00:44:09.000 San Francisco is still the center of the psychedelic universe, but those who now drop acid and why they do it might surprise you.

00:44:17.000 It's very small.

00:44:17.000 It's a very small amount.

00:44:19.000 They're not hippies, they're tech bros, artists, investors, even entrepreneurs.

00:44:24.000 I suppose what was exciting about the 1960s is the suggestion that culture and society could be reordered through innovation.

00:44:31.000 Of course, society continually evolves, but many of the innovations, psychological at least, that occurred during the 1960s have been colonized by the mainstream.

00:44:42.000 The spirit of we can do what we want in the 60s, certainly by the 1980s, has become I can do what I want.

00:44:49.000 As long as our perspective is individualistic, materialistic, and about commodity, commerce, and personal gain, real change will be difficult to achieve.

00:44:58.000 So psychedelics, if they are about personal growth in order that you can fit into existing systems, are, I would argue, pointless.

00:45:05.000 Psychedelics that we may change society in order to create something more harmonious, more beautiful, which of course means individual freedom, which of course Of course means freedom of speech, which of course means allowing people to be different.

00:45:17.000 That is the kind of revolution I'm interested in.

00:45:20.000 But obviously what that would quickly lead to is the observation and recognition that it's impossible for any of us to be free as long as there are powerful authoritarian forces that govern and control our lives, try as best they can to deny their own existence through their management and control of media spaces, big tech platforms, And often endless bureaucracy.

00:45:38.000 This will become observable if people continue to awaken through psychedelics.

00:45:42.000 On a personal note, as someone who's 20 years clean of recovery, I'm pretty irritated that now ketamine, MDMA and psilocybin are regarded as wellness.

00:45:51.000 Sort of things you could buy at a supplement shop now.

00:45:53.000 Like, oh I'm doing some wellness.

00:45:54.000 Wellness?

00:45:55.000 Didn't that used to be drugs?

00:45:57.000 They're taking a tiny dose, about a tenth of a normal dose, to be more productive and creative.

00:46:03.000 It's called microdosing.

00:46:04.000 People are finding that low-dose LSD permits their mind to be a little bit more expansive in terms of problem-solving.

00:46:12.000 So it's like, you can expand your mind enough to exist within the system and solve problems that are amenable to the system's goals.

00:46:20.000 But if you expand your mind to the point where you go, hey, but what about the whole system?

00:46:22.000 Why don't you retract back down again?

00:46:25.000 Who's this that's pushing my mind in?

00:46:25.000 Yeah, but what's the point?

00:46:27.000 The EU!

00:46:28.000 The IMF!

00:46:29.000 The WEF!

00:46:30.000 We're keeping you in there!

00:46:32.000 They will respect the law.

00:46:34.000 And yet at the same time, they're able to stay focused.

00:46:37.000 You can have a spiritual awakening, as long as your awakening doesn't make you a bad co-worker.

00:46:42.000 Veteran software engineer Kevin Herbert says LSD helped him solve some tough technical problems when he was working at Cisco.

00:46:49.000 Software engineering and hardware engineering Incredibly complex.

00:46:54.000 The idea that entrepreneurs and even geniuses have used psychedelics is not a new one.

00:46:59.000 I mean, in fact, that is the nature of psychedelics.

00:47:01.000 They give you access to parts of consciousness that are inaccessible in what we might call normal consciousness.

00:47:07.000 We all know that Steve Jobs had experiences with LSD.

00:47:13.000 It's pretty common knowledge that Elon Musk has experiences of this variety and having a different perspective on reality is part of the nature of innovation, part of the nature of genius.

00:47:24.000 But it's so typical of our time and our systems of domination that they would regulate this to keep you productive.

00:47:32.000 Essentially.

00:47:32.000 Let's give you a little bit of LSD.

00:47:34.000 Okay, wow, I guess I probably could... Oh yeah, I guess, look, I could make this spreadsheet a little simpler.

00:47:39.000 Let's give you a little bit more LSD.

00:47:41.000 What's the point of this spreadsheet?

00:47:42.000 I mean, why don't we all grow our own food and challenge these systems of domination?

00:47:46.000 Get back to your spreadsheet!

00:47:48.000 Sorry, boss!

00:47:49.000 Brad Burge is with MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.

00:47:54.000 He says in 1966, when LSD was declared illegal, promising research abruptly stopped.

00:48:00.000 Wait a minute, this stuff's waking these kids up!

00:48:02.000 Cut the LSD!

00:48:04.000 Cut the LSD!

00:48:06.000 Oh, sorry.

00:48:07.000 I was taking life seriously.

00:48:08.000 But Professor James Fadiman got a glimpse.

00:48:10.000 We were quietly doing this research in Menlo Park.

00:48:14.000 In the 60s, Fadiman conducted pioneering psychedelic research when it was still legal.

00:48:19.000 He recruited volunteers, many in high tech, to take a moderate dose of LSD.

00:48:24.000 There were theoretical physicists.

00:48:26.000 There were chip designers.

00:48:28.000 Each volunteer brought to the session technical problems they could not solve.

00:48:32.000 But after dropping acid, success.

00:48:34.000 We had 48 problems, 44 solutions.

00:48:39.000 It's pretty amazing there are realms of your personal individual consciousness that are embargoed and foreclosed.

00:48:45.000 That you, as an individual, cannot take certain substances because the state deems them to be schedule this or schedule that.

00:48:52.000 It's ridiculous when you consider that what you are is an advanced tribalized ape and your consciousness is your own private domain. 1.00

00:48:59.000 It's only because we live in a highly regulated space, whether that's in terms of our consciousness, our speech, our actions, our economic role, that we even tolerate it at all, I suppose.

00:49:08.000 Well, there are a variety of methods to distribute the drug, but most commonly it's found diluted in liquid in dropper bottles.

00:49:15.000 But again, experts warn no one knows what dose is actually safe.

00:49:19.000 So be careful.

00:49:20.000 We're trying to look after you, okay?

00:49:22.000 So just do what we tell you.

00:49:23.000 Wait till it's got Pfizer on the bottle, and then you can have it all safe and FDA approved.

00:49:28.000 Always remember that one day all this drug monkey business will be legal.

00:49:32.000 They won't leave it to people like me.

00:49:33.000 Not when they finally figure out how much money there is to be made.

00:49:36.000 Elon Musk takes ketamine.

00:49:38.000 And that's the end of the news.

00:49:39.000 Good luck in that fight with Zuckerberg.

00:49:41.000 Send me location.

00:49:43.000 Sergey Brin sometimes enjoys magic mushrooms.

00:49:45.000 Executives at venture capital firm Founders Fund, known for its investments in SpaceX and Facebook, have thrown parties that include psychedelics.

00:49:52.000 Routine drug use has moved from an after-hours activity squarely into corporate culture, leaving boards and business leaders to wrestle with their responsibilities, and sometimes each other, in a cage if it's Zuckerberg and Musk, for a workforce that frequently uses.

00:50:05.000 Other vanguard are tech executives and employees who see psychedelics and similar substances, among them psilocybin, ketamine and LSD, as gateways to business breakthroughs.

00:50:14.000 Wow, it used to be a gateway drug to harder drugs, now it's... Here!

00:50:17.000 Don't you be smoking that marijuana!

00:50:19.000 Why not, then?

00:50:20.000 Oh, you might become a tech billionaire! 0.99

00:50:22.000 Screw you! 1.00

00:50:23.000 You don't know me! 1.00

00:50:24.000 There are millions of people microdosing psychedelics right now, said Kyle Goldfield, a former sales and marketing consultant in San Francisco, who informally counsels friends and colleagues across the tech world on calibrating the right small dose for maximum mindfulness.

00:50:38.000 It's the fastest path to opening your mind up and clearly seeing for yourself what's going on, said Goldfield.

00:50:43.000 In a sense, what we're interrogating is the vision of what society is and what society might be.

00:50:48.000 We're continually foreclosing possible futures as we yield power to centralised authoritarian systems, EU, NATO, the American government or various unelected

00:50:58.000 private or apparently globalist forces.

00:51:01.000 What awakening means at the level of the individual is you will start to question how society

00:51:06.000 could be different.

00:51:07.000 So obviously the only context that we're granted when it comes to psychedelics is this will

00:51:12.000 make you more effective within an existing system.

00:51:15.000 We don't want to start challenging whether the system itself could change.

00:51:19.000 We're all one!

00:51:20.000 We're all exactly the same!

00:51:21.000 And not only do I understand that now cerebrally, I feel it viscerally!

00:51:25.000 My job is to love and to serve!

00:51:27.000 Once people start thinking like that, it's very difficult to make them go to work for 12 hours a day to do something they're not enjoying.

00:51:32.000 The value of the psychedelic drug market...

00:51:35.000 Oh, Timothy Leary, your dream has come true.

00:51:37.000 Which includes companies engaging in research and trials to legalise the use, is expected to reach $11.8 billion by 2029, up from $4.9 billion in 2022, according to research firm Brand Essence.

00:51:49.000 This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

00:51:52.000 Buy!

00:51:53.000 Buy!

00:51:53.000 Sell!

00:51:54.000 Sell!

00:51:54.000 Also, I don't like the name of that research, though.

00:51:56.000 I need my essence!

00:51:58.000 This is from Daniel Pinchbeck's Substack.

00:51:59.000 Over the last decade, the mainstreaming of psychedelics and the approaching legally regulated

00:52:04.000 use of these substances instigated a capitalist gold rush with hundreds of new companies forming,

00:52:09.000 including some like Compass Pathways and Atai Life Sciences, with market caps of billions

00:52:14.000 of dollars and the support of investors like Peter Thiel.

00:52:17.000 Hey Peter. And Christian Angermeier.

00:52:19.000 One focus of this initial search has been, somewhat surprisingly, ketamine, which already had medical uses.

00:52:25.000 I haven't met him yet.

00:52:26.000 No!

00:52:26.000 Not yet!

00:52:27.000 No!

00:52:27.000 It is now an approved treatment for depression and other mental health issues with clinics all over the US.

00:52:33.000 We encounter numerous paradoxes in the effort to fit the psychedelic experience into the framework of late-stage neoliberal capitalism, marked by excessive focus on personal healing and a fetishisation of the self while driving the whole planet off a cliff in a grey cloud of fuel exhaust.

00:52:48.000 I see this as connected to mindfulness becoming a movement that's just about personal growth and achieving more at work and the constant personal bureaucracies of Fitbits, measuring your own sleep, managing how many steps you've done each day, turning yourself in essentially into the manager of yourself.

00:53:06.000 How many calories have I eaten?

00:53:07.000 How many steps have I taken?

00:53:08.000 How am I sleeping?

00:53:09.000 Is it good enough sleep?

00:53:10.000 How's my social media sites doing?

00:53:12.000 How's my Facebook?

00:53:12.000 How's my Instagram?

00:53:13.000 It's just become like a little tiny corporation managing everything.

00:53:17.000 Of course I'm not being glib about the use of substances.

00:53:19.000 They are things that need to be respected and used cautiously and I'm certainly not recommending them or endorsing them in any way.

00:53:25.000 What I'm saying is it's interesting to see something that's clearly about expanding consciousness used within the framework of an already limited consciousness.

00:53:32.000 Indigenous medicine holders repeatedly express deep frustration at the co-option of their instruments for accessing the sacred within a particular context of tradition, culture and communion.

00:53:41.000 I don't blame them.

00:53:42.000 In Why the Psychedelic Renaissance is Just Colonialism by Another Name, Alnoor Lada and Rene Souza make many excellent points.

00:53:50.000 They write, In relation to the recent uptick of interest in psychedelics in the West, the current renaissance appears to be far from a deep intellectual and spiritual rebirth.

00:53:58.000 Remember that news report.

00:54:00.000 Is it a deep spiritual rebirth, or are they essentially saying, this helps me operate within the system?

00:54:04.000 Competitive edge.

00:54:05.000 Companies.

00:54:06.000 Competent.

00:54:06.000 More productive.

00:54:07.000 Grounded in something other than the survival instinct of Western modernity.

00:54:11.000 They want it to exist, but only in its current context.

00:54:13.000 They don't want to break down the context.

00:54:15.000 They don't want to break open the framework.

00:54:17.000 But how are we meaningfully going to change the world, whether that's personally or collectively, without challenging the structure itself?

00:54:23.000 That's why increased authoritarianism can never grant us real progress, because the system will always preserve itself above all else, and it wants us to continue squabbling and quarrelling within the framework that it's already predetermined.

00:54:35.000 As long as we're doing that, nothing's going to change.

00:54:37.000 Nothing meaningful.

00:54:38.000 As it is more akin to a reboot of modern society's failed attempt to reimagine and somewhat heal itself in the 1960s, while continuing to conveniently place the cost of its survival and continuity on other peoples and cultures elsewhere, i.e.

00:54:50.000 continued coloniality and exploitation as a sell for the existential woes of Western culture.

00:54:56.000 We're just moving pieces around on the board.

00:54:58.000 Oh, we can exploit the labour in that country, but that creates a crisis of labour in the United States or former European nations.

00:55:04.000 Oh no, what are we going to do?

00:55:05.000 Well, we've got AI coming out.

00:55:07.000 Brilliant, that's cool.

00:55:08.000 There's no actual revolution or progress, there's just continuing advancement of elite interest.

00:55:13.000 You could perhaps make an argument that that begins with agriculture, continues through industrialization, technology, and each advancement ensures at its heart that it preserves the interests of these elites.

00:55:23.000 Let me know if you agree in the comments.

00:55:24.000 Bye!

00:55:25.000 Tucked into the current notion of the psychedelic renaissance is the sense that it already knows where it wants to go.

00:55:30.000 More scale, more global distribution, more money, more people, more markets, more social impact.

00:55:35.000 Psychedelics are the new terra nullius, new uninhabited ground for the market to expand into and for human ingenuity to uncover.

00:55:43.000 Look at how the internet revolution went down.

00:55:46.000 First of all, it was Oh my god, we can do anything!

00:55:48.000 Napster! 0.91

00:55:49.000 Arab Spring!

00:55:50.000 Uh, actually, I think we're gonna bring in some new laws to control, uh, disinformation!

00:55:55.000 That's what we're gonna control!

00:55:56.000 Suddenly now, what has it become?

00:55:58.000 A new place for online Goliaths.

00:56:00.000 It's been totally colonized.

00:56:02.000 Google, Facebook, etc.

00:56:04.000 That's the way it operates.

00:56:05.000 Of course, similarly, with consciousness itself, the aim would be, if they could colonize the inside of your mind, they would.

00:56:11.000 And they're already beginning to.

00:56:13.000 And of course, ironically, we will need psychedelics to help us cope with the cascading collapses of crisis that have been created by the market system in the first place.

00:56:20.000 In his fantastic book, Mediated, Thomas de Zangocia calls this tendency of post-modern capitalism to seek out the authentic unknown, find a way to convert it to profit, then suck it dry and finally assimilate and abandon it, the blob.

00:56:35.000 The blob comes from all directions and no directions, he writes.

00:56:38.000 The media acts as the antibodies of the blob, first approaching, then anesthetising anything that might threaten hyper-mediated society with a truth it can't handle.

00:56:48.000 Consider this analysis from the perspective of what happened in the pandemic, what's happening in the current conflict, what happens with every story.

00:56:54.000 You were given information in a very particular way.

00:56:56.000 You are not allowed to have unmediated access to information or even experience.

00:57:01.000 You are invited to tread through your existence as if it were a series of pre-experienced tropes and cliches.

00:57:07.000 You're getting married.

00:57:08.000 It's a bit like Friends.

00:57:10.000 You're having your heart broken.

00:57:11.000 It's a bit like Friends.

00:57:13.000 You're dying.

00:57:13.000 It's not like we didn't really cover that in Friends.

00:57:15.000 Four weddings and a funeral.

00:57:17.000 Yeah, that'll do.

00:57:18.000 What must be covered is any event or personal deed that might challenge the blob with something like a limit.

00:57:23.000 Something the blob cannot absorb.

00:57:25.000 Something that could, in resistance or escape, become the one thing the omni-tolerant blob cannot allow.

00:57:31.000 Something outside it.

00:57:32.000 Something unmediated.

00:57:33.000 Something real.

00:57:34.000 Almost as if society and the structures that hang off the central establishment This is Pinchbeck.

00:57:52.000 I worry we might end up with a brave new world scenario in which some corporate marketed design of psychedelic or tactogen provides a shortcut to euphoria for the masses without inspiring a deeper collective confrontation with the prevailing system of exploitation and control.

00:58:06.000 Indeed!

00:58:07.000 If it is a psychedelic awakening brought to you by Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson, it's unlikely to challenge the system which frames their Weltanschauung and their entire economic raison d'etre.

00:58:19.000 In short, this system, be it media, governmental, Corporate or economic is unlikely to introduce methodologies that have stitched into it their own demise and their own demise is what we require.

00:58:30.000 Whether you are a left-wing person or a right person or an independent person or a person that just recognizes that all these labels float freely in a space that we ultimately are going to have to abandon if we're going to truly change the world.

00:58:39.000 What you will not be afforded is the opportunity to gain access to information that is unbiased and experience that is not contextualized ultimately by an agenda that they need you to believe in so they can continue to pursue it.

00:58:51.000 But that's just what I think!

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