In this episode, Russell Peters and Callie Means talk about why Bernie Sanders is running for President in 2020 and why he has a chance to defeat Hillary Clinton. They discuss the reasons behind his surge in the polls, why he's running, and how he can defeat Hillary in 2020. They also discuss how dangerous it is for us to trust pharmaceutical companies and the food and drug companies that profit from the fear of death that was weaponized during the Global Pandemic of Global Food Poisoning (CODA) pandemic in the late 1980s and early 1990s, and why we should all be worried about what's in the bowels of Big Food and Big Pharma, and what they're keeping in their bowels to keep us sick and dying. In this video, we're going to see the future, and in this video you'll get a sneak peek into the future of the 2020 Democratic primary race. You're gonna love it! Stay Free From Community is a podcast that focuses on the intersection of politics, economics, nutrition, and public policy. Stay Free from Community is hosted by Russell Peters, CEO and Founder of TruMed, a company that helps connect people across the country and around the world to connect the dots in order to make sense of what's going on in the world and help solve problems we all face. Stay free from Community! Subscribe today using our podcast s mission statement: "Let's all be free from fear." Subscribe to stay free, spread the word, and help make change the world. Learn more about your ad choices and access to quality, affordable health care. Subscribe to our newbies, affordable care, and more! Today's episode is a must-listen to the best episode of the podcast you can t live up to your best episode yet? Subscribe and subscribe to our newest episode featuring our latest episode featuring the best podcast, "The Future of the future? Subscribe for the next episode? - click here. Subscribe, rate, review, review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, subscribe on your favorite streaming platform, and subscribe in your favorite podcaster, wherever you get the most compelling podcast on the most powerful podcast you listen to the most inspiring podcast in the most awesome podcast on your favourite podcast yet, the most influential podcast on podcasting platform on the internet? You'll get the latest episode you'll be the most up to learn more about what s going to hear about it? .
00:01:15.000If you're one of the 6.5 million people watching this on YouTube right now, there's a link in the description.
00:01:20.000Sneak over to Rumble, home of free speech, because you are gonna love today's show.
00:01:25.000Kali Means, since he came on our show, I know some of you have seen him on Tucker, let me know in the chat where you saw him first, has made such an incredible impact on our show.
00:01:33.000He's been on the inside of Big Food and Big Pharma, and he knows what they're keeping in their bowels.
00:01:40.000He helped write the policies and plans that have enabled them to co-opt our systems and implement corruption, avoid proper regulation and profit from sickness.
00:01:50.000He believes that sickness is being perpetuated as an industry and is now able to expose those practices plainly.
00:01:57.000We spoke at Community Festival, my festival, you've got to come next time.
00:01:59.000And we covered a variety of very important topics, including the reasons behind RFK's surge in the polls, how nutritional foods have been replaced by poison, and how the fear of death was weaponised throughout the pandemic period.
00:02:11.000This is a fantastic conversation, you're gonna love it.
00:02:14.000With me now on Stay Free From Community is Callie Means, founder of TruMed.
00:02:19.000Thank you for joining me, Callie Means.
00:02:21.000It's been amazing, and we've had such a positive response to your content, both here at Community but also on our channel on Rumble.
00:02:28.000People love the way you describe the problems that we face in the food industry, the way that nutrition has been replaced with poison, The way that money has infiltrated the system to the degree that it's very difficult to get the truth out here.
00:02:41.000And here we are at a time that feels like we're surrounded by an immersive crisis, and yet there is some hope in the candidacy with my future pull-up opponent.
00:03:07.000And what is so significant and important to you about RFK and him standing, Callie?
00:03:13.000So being here with thousands of people, thousands of people who follow you, Russell, something's very heavy in the air.
00:03:20.000And I think it's that we're coming off of the biggest public policy mistake of our lifetimes.
00:03:25.000And we haven't really grappled with that.
00:03:27.000I mean, the healthcare system has led us down to a historical degree.
00:03:31.000We had a pandemic that essentially only killed people who are metabolically unhealthy, people that didn't eat well, people that didn't exercise.
00:03:40.000And in response to that, we closed down gyms but kept the bars open.
00:03:46.000We told kids to wear masks and stay inside for two years, to the point where 25% of children, according to U.S.
00:03:54.000and EU health authorities, contemplated suicide during COVID.
00:03:58.000And we spent every second of the government and media microphone talking about a pharmaceutical intervention when we could have had an international conversation about being better, about putting better food in our bodies, about exercising, about looking at the sunlight, these positive habits that would have prevented COVID deaths and also 80% of the other cause of death in the developed world.
00:04:23.000Pharma companies and the healthcare industry have completely let us down and now we're being asked to trust them.
00:04:30.000Merck and GlaxoSmithKline, the two largest pharmaceutical makers, have paid billions of dollars of criminal penalties in the last decade.
00:04:39.000Both of those companies have been found liable, criminally liable, for lying about their drugs to patients, leading to deaths of thousands of patients, and paying off doctors.
00:04:51.000May I just ask, is that outside of the pandemic, and is it, as you say, that's actually a criminal finding?
00:04:57.000You can move that however you're comfortable, by the way.
00:04:59.000Are those actually criminal findings, or are they out-of-court settlements, Callie?
00:05:03.000So actually, there's been some criminal liabilities that were out of court, but criminal admission of guilt for Pfizer, billions of dollars of fines for Merck, for GlaxoSmithKline.
00:05:16.000These companies that may very well create some life-saving drugs, but have literally, as RFK has said, are criminal enterprises.
00:05:24.000So after letting us down systematically during COVID, which I don't think we're still fully have grappled with as a society.
00:05:38.000This was a test run of making everyone wear masks, of making kids stay home, of not questioning the science, of literally government, media, and technology companies essentially outlawing any questioning of science, as they call it.
00:05:55.000Which was actually questioning these pharmaceutical companies that have been found criminally liable for misleading and killing patients, but because they give five times more money than the oil industry, more money than any other industry to government, because they spend 50%, and I helped steer this, but 50% of news funding comes from pharma, they completely co-opted The both the government and the news sources to make it that the media instead of asking questions, asking questions why it's whether it's a smart idea to lock kids inside and not have them go to school, whether asking questions of, you know, is the fact that we have a 50% diabetes rate connected to the fact that only metabolic and healthy people are dying of COVID.
00:06:48.000You may look like a nerd superman, but I think actually you're describing exactly what happened.
00:06:54.000You said in one of our previous conversations that the money that these industries, whether it's Big Food, but in particular Big Pharma, spend on advertising is not actually to reach a market and an audience, but it's actually to control the information and data.
00:07:07.000Will you tell us a little bit more about that, but also how it pertains to the candidacy of my pull-up opponent, RFK?
00:07:15.000Yes, so I think we just have to, we've been gaslighted to just not use common sense.
00:07:21.000If an entity receives 55% of their entire funding to keep their lights on and employ their folks, that's going to impact their decision making, right?
00:07:34.000If the biggest advertisers on social media companies are food companies, pharma companies, things like that, Again, and I just want to hit this point home, 55% of news funding in the United States comes from one industry, from pharma, right?
00:07:49.000This is going to impact the coverage, and working for pharma companies early in my career, I just cannot make this point strongly enough, and I don't think people fully understand it.
00:07:58.000Is that the reason pharma companies give so much in advertising dollars is not to impact customers.
00:08:05.000When you see those goofy pharma ads in the US, you know, people dancing around, it's always like, well, no, it's not to impact you and me.
00:08:20.000We had a pandemic with the worst policy response, a pharma-centric policy response when it was really a metabolic condition.
00:08:26.000We have 80% of the American people overweight or obese.
00:08:29.000Rates of autism, allergies, cancer, heart disease, kidney disease, every disease is going up all at once at the same time, as we're spending more to treat them with pharmaceutical drugs.
00:08:52.000It's amazing what you're saying, mate, because even the stuff, like, listen, everything you want to say, you are going to say, and I'm going to hear it, so don't worry about that.
00:08:59.000That's why I'm loading you up with caffeine, baby.
00:09:02.000Because what's really interesting to observe in, let's say, the mainstream media news cycle, in the mainstream media news cycle, what we're seeing is, like, the slow admission that the distancing laws were arbitrary.
00:09:17.000We're witnessing Chris Whitty, he's the UK expert, the scientific expert in the UK, say that lockdowns were a political decision.
00:09:25.000This is in an inquiry in the UK, this is public information.
00:09:28.000That the lockdowns were not a scientific decision, but a political one.
00:09:32.000What we witnessed, and I think this really plays into your area of expertise, and indeed the endeavours of RFK, ...is an attempt to collapse dogma into science, perhaps in the same way that religious dogma used to be collapsed into the way that society was ordered.
00:09:49.000It's extraordinary to experience that, isn't it?
00:09:52.000Do you think, then, that what's being admitted to in the mainstream is just the half of it?
00:09:57.000Do you think there's much more to be admitted and revealed?
00:10:02.000It's the biggest issue in the world, right?
00:10:04.000We're debating part, you know, page 300 of Medicare Part D in the United States, these arcane healthcare legislations.
00:10:13.000As we've talked about, we are being poisoned by a food supply that's 70% ultra-processed food.
00:10:17.000In the U.S., we have thousands of chemicals that are on our food that are illegal in every other country, loaded with glyphosate, which is a neurotoxin.
00:10:25.000That's causing damage to our kids' cells where, again, where 20% of kids now have fatty liver disease, where 40% of high school seniors qualify as having a mental health disorder.
00:10:36.000We have devastation happening to our children, all because of a similar reason.
00:10:41.000And there's very limited curiosity about that.
00:10:47.000So I think what's happening Let me just make one point on what the strategy is, what the strategy I saw is.
00:10:54.000The strategy very clearly among interests like pharma and food is not to debate ideas but to attack the question itself.
00:11:03.000So if you've noticed there's been a wider and wider aperture of what we're not even allowed, not even to have an idea, we're not even allowed to ask a question.
00:11:10.000So I think what's resonating about RFK is vaccines Uh, you know, wider than the COVID vaccine.
00:11:18.000Vaccines probably have done a lot of good, but why are we being hall-monitored from even asking a question of why vaccines basically that are mandated throughout the EU and the US have gone from 20 15 years ago now a six-year-old is basically required to get 71 shots that by their own admission of the vaccine makers The purpose of the vaccine is to irreparably change their immune system 71 shots made by literally just factually speaking companies that are criminal enterprises that have paid more criminal penalties than any company in the history of the world
00:11:53.000I think they probably are for the most part.
00:11:55.000But why the hell, especially after all we've seen with COVID, are we, our parents, our parents are considered anti-science.
00:12:03.000They are reprimanded at the pediatrician's office for even asking a question.
00:12:06.000I think that's one thing RFK is tapping into.
00:12:09.000Yeah, it's very curious, Callie, because part of the discrediting and mainstream media attacks that Bobby, my friend, is receiving, RFK is receiving, is in no small part as a result of his stance currently and previous stance on vaccine.
00:12:26.000This is on vaccine and vaccine issues.
00:12:28.000This is a subject people really do not want Publicly discussed.
00:12:33.000And it's interesting and valuable to hear that you believe, in the most part, many vaccines may be effective.
00:12:38.000And I've heard RFK say the same thing also.
00:12:41.000So what exactly are you driving at, mate?
00:12:43.000Why do you think that you're not allowed to ask these questions if you're saying that the vaccines themselves are healthy?
00:12:49.000If RFK, in significant part, are healthy?
00:12:52.000What is it that you're actually saying?
00:13:19.000The argument is very simple on the vaccines.
00:13:23.000It's that this is such an important institution that we are too stupid to ask questions because it'll confuse people if we even have any nuance.
00:13:31.000That's literally the verbatim argument that the health authorities give.
00:13:41.000This is a battle that you're at the forefront of, and Barry Weiss, and Joe Rogan, and many... I think it is, not to puff you up too much, but this is a historical moment where there's a fight right now.
00:13:51.000Because these large industries, tech, pharma, pharma's the biggest spinner of them all, is trying to police the debate and not even have questions.
00:14:01.000I'll take it one other somewhat hot topic, but I think it's probably very likely that, you know, some trans children might need some interventions.
00:14:13.000But we should absolutely be able to talk about it without being called transphobes,
00:14:18.000of whether this is wise that we're doling out millions of puberty blockers in the United States.
00:14:24.000But that debate, and I'll tell you, this is the exact playbook I saw,
00:14:27.000there's billions of dollars on the line for pharma.
00:14:30.000And pharma companies, large pharma companies, are donating millions to civil rights groups and gay rights
00:14:37.000groups to explicitly call anyone who even asks a question homophobic and transphobic.
00:14:43.000So when you shut down the debate, it protects their power, but it should perk our ears up.
00:14:48.000And we should be able to talk about these kinds of things.
00:14:50.000Of course you should be able to talk about everything.
00:14:51.000There's several subjects here that are beginning to align and coalesce, Callie, and I want to make sure that we cover them all.
00:15:00.000One is that we are being treated as children by the corporate state partnership.
00:15:07.000It's become a didactic, pedagogical relationship where we are instructed and informed and we are not allowed to ask questions.
00:15:14.000Even children at school have a period where they're allowed to ask questions.
00:15:18.000As long as we put their hands up nicely, you are allowed to legitimately ask questions.
00:15:23.000That's interesting and it's frightening.
00:15:25.000When we have a figure with some significant heft, like RFK, appear in this space, they're being shut down and closed down.
00:15:34.000When berserker figures, who I know a lot of our audience love, like Trump, emerge, they're shut down for being too right-wing.
00:15:40.000RFK is too, well, not left-wing, but too wacko and too conspiratorial.
00:15:45.000As you say, the aperture for accepted discussion is increasingly being closed down.
00:15:51.000And I recognize that this, the issue around, because I believe in freedom and my belief in individual freedom is absolute.
00:15:59.000Therefore it encompasses all the entire spectrum.
00:16:02.000If people, people with regard to their identity, their gender, absolute freedom.
00:16:07.000I feel that it's no one else's business and everybody should be welcomed and celebrated and this is a mutual relationship that we afford one another.
00:16:22.000Everyone is being spoken to as if they are children.
00:16:24.000And how are our children actually being treated when it comes to food and when it comes to pharma?
00:16:30.000What emergent trends have you observed, Callie, that are significant?
00:16:37.000So we've been talking a lot this weekend.
00:16:41.000A lot of people have been coming up to me, it's like, you know, we need to throw people in jail.
00:16:45.000You know, everyone at pharma companies, the healthcare industry, what's happening to our kids is criminal.
00:16:50.000And I've been thinking a lot about the motivations, because kids are getting slaughtered and we can go into that, but the motivations.
00:16:56.000I think the problem with the system, or really the genius of the system, is that it takes good people.
00:17:03.000You know, healthcare is the most employed industry in the United States.
00:17:05.000Most doctors get in for the right reasons.
00:17:07.000Most pharma researchers get in for the right reasons.
00:17:09.000It takes good people and all of them have plausible deniability.
00:17:13.000All of them are treating patients one-on-one, creating, you know, doing research, running the pharma company, whatever.
00:17:20.000Nobody has any culpability in asking why everyone's getting sick.
00:17:24.000And this invisible hand of the largest industry in Europe and the United States, healthcare, has produced incentives where this industry makes more money when somebody is sicker for longer periods of time.
00:18:21.000Alzheimer's is a metabolic condition of the brain.
00:18:25.000If you have normal metabolic health, if you have normal fasting glucose levels, normal cholesterol levels, normal blood pressure, the biomarkers of metabolic health, you have an almost 0% chance of having Alzheimer's and those biomarkers are under control.
00:18:39.000There's very few people with Alzheimer's that don't have prediabetes or diabetes.
00:18:44.000Diabetes is a very misunderstood topic.
00:18:46.000I've talked to Harvard doctors who treat diabetes that don't even understand how it's caused.
00:18:49.000Diabetes is really the underpinning of a lot of other conditions.
00:18:53.000Diabetes is blood sugar dysregulation, which is cellular dysregulation.
00:18:58.000Glucose, which is a key energy source for our cells, can come from our bodies.
00:19:02.000it doesn't even need to come from food.
00:19:04.000As we've ramped sugar up, sugar intake up 100x in 100 years, you know, had government guidelines
00:19:10.000in the food pyramid in the 1990s, which were transferred to Europe,
00:19:13.000saying that we should eat more carbs, less, you know, meat, less healthy fats, things like that.
00:19:18.000That has wreaked havoc on our metabolic health.
00:19:21.000So our organs are nothing more than cells.
00:19:24.000And when diabetes is cellular dysregulation, as our cells are dysregulating,
00:19:28.000that impacts, you know, liver failure.
00:19:31.000That impacts our heart, right, which is heart disease.
00:19:34.000It impacts our brain, which turns into depression and other mental health symptoms.
00:19:38.000Metabolic health is the underpinning, and yes, Alzheimer's is highly tied to that.
00:19:47.000But as I've talked about here at the conference, when my sister graduated from Stanford Med School, she chose between 42 subspecialties.
00:19:55.000A doctor, when they graduate, chooses between... We have aggregated the body into 42 parts.
00:20:02.000My sister became a head and neck surgeon, and then she would do a fellowship to do a smaller part of the face.
00:20:07.000Her mentor had a fellowship and devoted his entire life to one square millimeter of the
00:21:39.000I can't get my head around, Callie, but we eat a hundred times more sugar now than we're evolved to.
00:21:49.000In this baffling, confusing space where we try to mesh together respect for people's traditions, respect for progressivism, necessary respect for diversity in all of diversity's forms, whether that's traditional or newly emergent and newly described, if not newly emergent.
00:22:07.000Some of the things that I reach towards are, how did human beings live for a long, long while?
00:22:12.000And diet is one of the ways that we can kind of track that and observe it.
00:22:17.000Human beings, their diets would have been determined by geography and environment.
00:22:22.000Human beings that lived in this place would have eaten these foods.
00:22:25.000It's plain and well understood that we would not have encountered sugar except for in fruit, and we would have encountered it in most cases, seldom and rarely.
00:22:35.000So when our food concentrates these highly addictive substances, these refined and extracted highly addictive substances, like sugar, like seed oils, which of course you've spoken about lucidly and extensively before, I recognize that we have, and this is important to me as an addict, a sort of a model of addiction.
00:22:53.000We stare at screens that they have evolved to make highly addictive in the way we interact with them, and make the content rewarding and addictive in a way that we're not evolved to appreciate or control the way that it affects our dopamine levels, for example.
00:23:06.000When it comes to diet, we are not evolved to deal with sugar in this degree.
00:23:13.000You know, when it gets too much, I'm like, screen, sugar.
00:23:16.000You know, like that's how one of the... it's become like a defa... and I'm a person that is working about as hard as I can to awaken.
00:23:22.000So what do we do when we're living essentially outside of our nature, outside of our own evolutionary trajectory?
00:23:29.000There's a centrifugal institutional force to train.
00:23:32.000At Stanford Med School, they told my sister day one that patients are lazy.
00:23:36.000That we stand at the hospital with our prescription pad and our scalpel to help this lazy American population that's going to eat their Big Macs and drink their Cokes.
00:23:45.000They have engendered into the medical system this cynicism about the American people.
00:23:53.000What I think is actually happening is we have a drug problem.
00:23:56.000I think we've totally been gaslighted over how even a drug is defined.
00:24:01.000If you look at the biggest killing drugs, sugar is by far number one.
00:24:05.000Sugar counts by all of the definitions as a drug.
00:24:08.000If you show a brain scan of a child that just chugged a Coke and somebody on another illicit
00:24:15.000drug, obviously there's ranges of the degree, but the areas of the brain that light up are
00:25:25.000It's interesting because when you said that about the deluge of glucose, I felt like the deluge of information, and the amount, the amount, the sort of, uh, the diluvian measure, uh, amount of information that we're swamped with, flooded with, that was the image that I had.
00:25:43.000But I get the impression from speaking with you, Callie, that you're not a regulation guy, that you're not like, well that's why the state needs to come in and ban sugar, and that's why Coke shouldn't be sold, and that's why all McDonald's should be shut shut down, get Ronald McDonald, ba-bam, shoot him in the
00:26:33.000Because when you mentioned this yesterday, right, this is what I hear as a good, as a person that's very sympathetic to people that are on welfare.
00:26:39.000I've received welfare numerous times in my life.
00:26:41.000I was a kid that got free school dinners at school.
00:26:45.000I signed on, lived on welfare for a while.
00:26:47.000My mum, single mother benefits and stuff like that.
00:26:50.000So when I hear arguments around diminishing welfare, what I hear is an attack on the poorest, most vulnerable people.
00:29:58.000You should not be subsidizing cigarettes.
00:30:01.000You shouldn't be subsidizing marijuana.
00:30:05.000Because what that starts to sound like is excessive regulation for the poorest, vulnerable people, but not the regulation that's necessary for the corporations that are creating this food.
00:30:13.000Now, I'm down for making sure that people get supported and eat healthy food.
00:30:19.000But one of the challenges, I think, with libertarianism, and this is a big topic, man, If the problem here is the billions Pfizer are spending on advertising, if the problem is Big Food's ability to capture and control a market and control information, where does the regulation happen?
00:30:37.000Some poor cow bringing up three kids, you know, have an apple.
00:30:43.000Well, I'd say as a high level, I hear you, but I'd say as a high level, we do through food stamps, through subsidies, through federal lunch programs, which are totally bought off by food companies that go to really unnutritious meals.
00:30:55.000We subsidize ultra processed food to the tune of over $100 billion per year.
00:31:00.000So I would just say at a high level, don't subsidize ultra processed food.
00:31:04.000And I do think in a free market, if you actually have rational, not subsidizing poison and subsidized healthy food, you would have companies come in and try to provide better options.
00:31:16.000But the Food Stamps SNAP program does pervert the market to where you talk about these food deserts and no nutritious options.
00:31:22.000That's because the main program for lower-income communities is all going to highly addictive processed food.
00:31:28.000So I think at a high level, I would say if people want to do one thing,
00:31:31.000it's call your member of Congress and say, you know, we really need to have food stamps be a
00:32:09.000Is that the USDA right now, again, says 10% sugar.
00:32:14.000So when I was working for the food and pharma companies, we would have a donation strategy to academics.
00:32:20.000And the key thing to understand is that these panels that make nutrition guidelines, these panels that approve drugs, aren't individual employees at the NIH or other government bureaucracies.
00:32:32.000In the case of the nutrition guidelines, which the U.S.
00:32:35.000requires the EU to accept as a matter of research, grant funding, partnerships, 95% of the people that make the nutrition guidelines are directly paid.
00:32:46.000Directly paid by food companies, by sugar companies, and by pharma companies.
00:32:51.000Dr. Fatima Cody-Stanford, who's the doctor we've talked about before from Harvard, who says obesity is a brain disease and genetic, she is on the guideline committee.
00:32:59.000of what our children should be eating, of the preeminent nutrition guidelines.
00:33:04.000So the US can also just say kids shouldn't eat sugar. If the US said that, if the guidelines
00:33:10.000actually said that, there wouldn't be, there would be more stigma to serving kids sugar.
00:33:14.000Do you know one of the miracles of our age, the miracle is the information that gets amplified
00:33:18.000and the information that gets obscured. You know, some information you can tell that they're just
00:33:43.000The reason I was keen for you to meet Vandana Shiva, who's also been appearing here at Community Festival, was because when you're talking about the necessity for whole food to be eaten, and she's talking about the necessity for farmers to have control of the land, you recognize that in Confederacy, In alliance, in cooperation, we have a chance.
00:34:03.000But the, let's call it them for simplicity's sake, the institutional elites that are in both the corporate and state spaces, that are systemic rather than individual personalities, let's say gracefully, they are Cooperating in order to... The agriculture is being shut down.
00:34:24.000The food companies are ensuring that you don't have access to the correct data.
00:34:29.000The Heart Federation accept money from big food.
00:34:32.000Diabetes, they accept money from big food.
00:34:35.000So the people that are giving you advice on what food to eat if you have cancer, diabetes or heart disease, accept money from people that make food that's bad for you.
00:34:42.000They can't outright say... You're sort of saying, If tomorrow we just went, only eat locally grown food, don't worry about the vegan arguments, even though I'm a vegan, eat healthy food that's, you know, that's grazed or grown near where you are, wherever possible.
00:34:55.000The first challenges that people face there are like, oh no, shit, that breaks a lot of monolithic models down.
00:35:02.000Of course it presents a lot of challenges to change the agriculture.
00:35:05.000You know, the thing is, I suppose, is that we have a big ideological conversation to have, Callie, because I agree with you on the libertarian... The aspect of libertarianism I'm 100% on.
00:35:18.000The challenge that we have is, we as individuals cannot confront this massive... So it obviously has to be consensual, democratic opposition to globalization.
00:35:26.000Without consensual, democratic opposition to globalization, we are fucked.
00:36:08.000Because you bring such good information, and because you retain information so well, and you communicate so brilliantly, almost every sentence you talk about could have its own little sidebar or little drop-down.
00:36:17.000But what I want to ask you now, because I know it's important to you, is the way that you were personally impacted by the loss of your mother during the coronavirus.
00:36:26.000era and how you bring that together mate with what you're saying about these are
00:36:30.000metabolic deaths and how that personally fueled your mission and purpose
00:36:34.000as well as that of both your father and your sister. I know you have a lot of love for
00:36:38.000and a lot of respect for and you call her an inspiration and stuff so
00:36:40.000tell us about that. So I think this is the classic American story but
00:36:44.000my mom, I was born at 12 pounds and the doctors were like okay
00:36:48.000Too big. Yeah, the doctors were like high-fiving her, great job.
00:36:51.000Then she had trouble losing weight after I was born. It's like oh that's normal
00:36:55.00050 percent of Americans are overweight. Then she got a blood test,
00:37:16.000The average American sees 19 doctors of different specialties before they die.
00:37:19.000So it was all these rites of passage, all these normal things.
00:37:22.000And of course my big birth was a sign of metabolic dysfunction.
00:37:25.000And then during the COVID era, she was taking a hike with my dad, had a pain in her stomach, went to get a scan, stage four pancreatic cancer.
00:37:35.000And we talked to the oncologist and the oncologist said, we need to do immediate interventions right now.
00:37:44.000And my sister, who's a surgeon trained at Stanford, said, wait a minute, what is this going to do?
00:37:50.000What are these interventions going to do?
00:37:53.00030% it was going to extend her life three weeks, 30% neutral, 30% it would actually harm her.
00:37:59.000And to the protest of the hospital, we took her home, and the 12 days that we spent with her as she died, it was only 12 days, was the most impactful of my life.
00:38:08.000The final moment, we carried her to the beach, which she loved in Northern California, and she embraced my dad, and she said, life is so beautiful, and looked over the ocean, and then literally lost consciousness.
00:39:02.000And the doctors at Stanford, the lead oncologists in the world, were saying it was a tough break, unlucky, that my mom got pancreatic cancer.
00:39:10.000No, pancreatic cancer, many forms of cancer, almost any disease you can think of, is highly tied to these warning signs you're inevitably facing.
00:39:18.000And that's the paradigm we have to shift.
00:39:20.000And I'll just say real quick, you know, what to do.
00:39:27.000But I would say, and you're pushing this so hard, let's not put ourselves in this left-right, you know, do you support industry, do you not?
00:39:34.000We're put in these boxes almost by, I think, the powers that be.
00:41:07.000What a beautiful mission, what a beautiful purpose you've chosen.
00:41:09.000I mean, you didn't talk about RFK enough.
00:41:12.000But other than that, it was absolutely perfect.
00:41:13.000That's why we need, obviously, figures that are willing to come to the mainstream and raise these issues, debate these issues, highlight these issues.
00:41:20.000And thank God we have the diffuse media space that we currently have, where someone that's excluded from the mainstream, except to be smeared there, can still have a voice.
00:41:59.000Where you can get more consciousness, apparently, is by using powerful psychedelic substances.
00:42:04.000Tell us if you think this is a vital part of the future.
00:42:06.000Tell us if, like Elon Musk and Sergey Brin, you believe that these medicines will enhance your consciousness, enhance your personal experience, and enhance our collective experience, or whether they will become commodified and controlled by the same big pharma interests that perhaps kept this technology down for a long while.
00:42:25.000Let's see how the mainstream media are covering this topic.
00:42:28.000Lots of people drink coffee before they go to work.
00:42:29.000Of course, others, believe it or not, drop acid.
00:42:43.000It's illegal, but only on 5 Tonight, Kate Cogearan on the growing number of Bay Area professionals who say tiny doses of LSD give them the competitive edge they need.
00:42:53.000How odd to see LSD and psychedelics more broadly which in a sense are essentially about dissolving the self and looking beyond egoic motivation and recognizing that your conditioning can be overcome.
00:43:07.000To see that rebooted, rebolted and redirected and utilized towards gaining wealth, becoming more effective at work.
00:43:20.000So that you can be better at your job?
00:43:22.000Everything is directed towards in order that you can fit into this system.
00:43:25.000The problem with psychedelics is it's fundamentally about breaking systems and of course we must create new systems.
00:43:32.000I'm not suggesting that we live in chaos or the type of anarchy that suggests a total lack of order.
00:43:38.000I'm talking about the type of anarchy that suggests a lack of domination, freedom, Maximum amount of freedom.
00:43:44.000When people awaken individually, perhaps because of psychedelic experiences, let me know if you've had any.
00:43:49.000I've, in the past, had those type of experiences.
00:43:51.000I'm in recovery now, so it's not something that I can get involved in.
00:43:53.000But the idea that this will become commodified is an obvious one.
00:43:58.000It's obvious that the kind of interests that are able to dominate media and big pharma will apply their existing methodology to a technology or medicine that could be utilized to truly change things.
00:44:09.000San Francisco is still the center of the psychedelic universe, but those who now drop acid and why they do it might surprise you.
00:44:19.000They're not hippies, they're tech bros, artists, investors, even entrepreneurs.
00:44:24.000I suppose what was exciting about the 1960s is the suggestion that culture and society could be reordered through innovation.
00:44:31.000Of course, society continually evolves, but many of the innovations, psychological at least, that occurred during the 1960s have been colonized by the mainstream.
00:44:42.000The spirit of we can do what we want in the 60s, certainly by the 1980s, has become I can do what I want.
00:44:49.000As long as our perspective is individualistic, materialistic, and about commodity, commerce, and personal gain, real change will be difficult to achieve.
00:44:58.000So psychedelics, if they are about personal growth in order that you can fit into existing systems, are, I would argue, pointless.
00:45:05.000Psychedelics that we may change society in order to create something more harmonious, more beautiful, which of course means individual freedom, which of course Of course means freedom of speech, which of course means allowing people to be different.
00:45:17.000That is the kind of revolution I'm interested in.
00:45:20.000But obviously what that would quickly lead to is the observation and recognition that it's impossible for any of us to be free as long as there are powerful authoritarian forces that govern and control our lives, try as best they can to deny their own existence through their management and control of media spaces, big tech platforms, And often endless bureaucracy.
00:45:38.000This will become observable if people continue to awaken through psychedelics.
00:45:42.000On a personal note, as someone who's 20 years clean of recovery, I'm pretty irritated that now ketamine, MDMA and psilocybin are regarded as wellness.
00:45:51.000Sort of things you could buy at a supplement shop now.
00:46:34.000And yet at the same time, they're able to stay focused.
00:46:37.000You can have a spiritual awakening, as long as your awakening doesn't make you a bad co-worker.
00:46:42.000Veteran software engineer Kevin Herbert says LSD helped him solve some tough technical problems when he was working at Cisco.
00:46:49.000Software engineering and hardware engineering Incredibly complex.
00:46:54.000The idea that entrepreneurs and even geniuses have used psychedelics is not a new one.
00:46:59.000I mean, in fact, that is the nature of psychedelics.
00:47:01.000They give you access to parts of consciousness that are inaccessible in what we might call normal consciousness.
00:47:07.000We all know that Steve Jobs had experiences with LSD.
00:47:13.000It's pretty common knowledge that Elon Musk has experiences of this variety and having a different perspective on reality is part of the nature of innovation, part of the nature of genius.
00:47:24.000But it's so typical of our time and our systems of domination that they would regulate this to keep you productive.
00:48:39.000It's pretty amazing there are realms of your personal individual consciousness that are embargoed and foreclosed.
00:48:45.000That you, as an individual, cannot take certain substances because the state deems them to be schedule this or schedule that.
00:48:52.000It's ridiculous when you consider that what you are is an advanced tribalized ape and your consciousness is your own private domain.
00:48:59.000It's only because we live in a highly regulated space, whether that's in terms of our consciousness, our speech, our actions, our economic role, that we even tolerate it at all, I suppose.
00:49:08.000Well, there are a variety of methods to distribute the drug, but most commonly it's found diluted in liquid in dropper bottles.
00:49:15.000But again, experts warn no one knows what dose is actually safe.
00:49:43.000Sergey Brin sometimes enjoys magic mushrooms.
00:49:45.000Executives at venture capital firm Founders Fund, known for its investments in SpaceX and Facebook, have thrown parties that include psychedelics.
00:49:52.000Routine drug use has moved from an after-hours activity squarely into corporate culture, leaving boards and business leaders to wrestle with their responsibilities, and sometimes each other, in a cage if it's Zuckerberg and Musk, for a workforce that frequently uses.
00:50:05.000Other vanguard are tech executives and employees who see psychedelics and similar substances, among them psilocybin, ketamine and LSD, as gateways to business breakthroughs.
00:50:14.000Wow, it used to be a gateway drug to harder drugs, now it's... Here!
00:50:24.000There are millions of people microdosing psychedelics right now, said Kyle Goldfield, a former sales and marketing consultant in San Francisco, who informally counsels friends and colleagues across the tech world on calibrating the right small dose for maximum mindfulness.
00:50:38.000It's the fastest path to opening your mind up and clearly seeing for yourself what's going on, said Goldfield.
00:50:43.000In a sense, what we're interrogating is the vision of what society is and what society might be.
00:50:48.000We're continually foreclosing possible futures as we yield power to centralised authoritarian systems, EU, NATO, the American government or various unelected
00:50:58.000private or apparently globalist forces.
00:51:01.000What awakening means at the level of the individual is you will start to question how society
00:51:27.000Once people start thinking like that, it's very difficult to make them go to work for 12 hours a day to do something they're not enjoying.
00:51:32.000The value of the psychedelic drug market...
00:51:35.000Oh, Timothy Leary, your dream has come true.
00:51:37.000Which includes companies engaging in research and trials to legalise the use, is expected to reach $11.8 billion by 2029, up from $4.9 billion in 2022, according to research firm Brand Essence.
00:51:49.000This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius.
00:52:27.000It is now an approved treatment for depression and other mental health issues with clinics all over the US.
00:52:33.000We encounter numerous paradoxes in the effort to fit the psychedelic experience into the framework of late-stage neoliberal capitalism, marked by excessive focus on personal healing and a fetishisation of the self while driving the whole planet off a cliff in a grey cloud of fuel exhaust.
00:52:48.000I see this as connected to mindfulness becoming a movement that's just about personal growth and achieving more at work and the constant personal bureaucracies of Fitbits, measuring your own sleep, managing how many steps you've done each day, turning yourself in essentially into the manager of yourself.
00:53:13.000It's just become like a little tiny corporation managing everything.
00:53:17.000Of course I'm not being glib about the use of substances.
00:53:19.000They are things that need to be respected and used cautiously and I'm certainly not recommending them or endorsing them in any way.
00:53:25.000What I'm saying is it's interesting to see something that's clearly about expanding consciousness used within the framework of an already limited consciousness.
00:53:32.000Indigenous medicine holders repeatedly express deep frustration at the co-option of their instruments for accessing the sacred within a particular context of tradition, culture and communion.
00:53:42.000In Why the Psychedelic Renaissance is Just Colonialism by Another Name, Alnoor Lada and Rene Souza make many excellent points.
00:53:50.000They write, In relation to the recent uptick of interest in psychedelics in the West, the current renaissance appears to be far from a deep intellectual and spiritual rebirth.
00:54:07.000Grounded in something other than the survival instinct of Western modernity.
00:54:11.000They want it to exist, but only in its current context.
00:54:13.000They don't want to break down the context.
00:54:15.000They don't want to break open the framework.
00:54:17.000But how are we meaningfully going to change the world, whether that's personally or collectively, without challenging the structure itself?
00:54:23.000That's why increased authoritarianism can never grant us real progress, because the system will always preserve itself above all else, and it wants us to continue squabbling and quarrelling within the framework that it's already predetermined.
00:54:35.000As long as we're doing that, nothing's going to change.
00:54:38.000As it is more akin to a reboot of modern society's failed attempt to reimagine and somewhat heal itself in the 1960s, while continuing to conveniently place the cost of its survival and continuity on other peoples and cultures elsewhere, i.e.
00:54:50.000continued coloniality and exploitation as a sell for the existential woes of Western culture.
00:54:56.000We're just moving pieces around on the board.
00:54:58.000Oh, we can exploit the labour in that country, but that creates a crisis of labour in the United States or former European nations.
00:55:08.000There's no actual revolution or progress, there's just continuing advancement of elite interest.
00:55:13.000You could perhaps make an argument that that begins with agriculture, continues through industrialization, technology, and each advancement ensures at its heart that it preserves the interests of these elites.
00:55:23.000Let me know if you agree in the comments.
00:56:13.000And of course, ironically, we will need psychedelics to help us cope with the cascading collapses of crisis that have been created by the market system in the first place.
00:56:20.000In his fantastic book, Mediated, Thomas de Zangocia calls this tendency of post-modern capitalism to seek out the authentic unknown, find a way to convert it to profit, then suck it dry and finally assimilate and abandon it, the blob.
00:56:35.000The blob comes from all directions and no directions, he writes.
00:56:38.000The media acts as the antibodies of the blob, first approaching, then anesthetising anything that might threaten hyper-mediated society with a truth it can't handle.
00:56:48.000Consider this analysis from the perspective of what happened in the pandemic, what's happening in the current conflict, what happens with every story.
00:56:54.000You were given information in a very particular way.
00:56:56.000You are not allowed to have unmediated access to information or even experience.
00:57:01.000You are invited to tread through your existence as if it were a series of pre-experienced tropes and cliches.
00:57:34.000Almost as if society and the structures that hang off the central establishment This is Pinchbeck.
00:57:52.000I worry we might end up with a brave new world scenario in which some corporate marketed design of psychedelic or tactogen provides a shortcut to euphoria for the masses without inspiring a deeper collective confrontation with the prevailing system of exploitation and control.
00:58:07.000If it is a psychedelic awakening brought to you by Pfizer or Johnson & Johnson, it's unlikely to challenge the system which frames their Weltanschauung and their entire economic raison d'etre.
00:58:19.000In short, this system, be it media, governmental, Corporate or economic is unlikely to introduce methodologies that have stitched into it their own demise and their own demise is what we require.
00:58:30.000Whether you are a left-wing person or a right person or an independent person or a person that just recognizes that all these labels float freely in a space that we ultimately are going to have to abandon if we're going to truly change the world.
00:58:39.000What you will not be afforded is the opportunity to gain access to information that is unbiased and experience that is not contextualized ultimately by an agenda that they need you to believe in so they can continue to pursue it.