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00:02:25.000Yeah, the New York Times... Cheryl woke up this morning, the New York Times ran an article about a worm having eaten part of my brain.
00:02:37.000And Cheryl woke up this morning and just said, nothing surprised me anymore.
00:02:42.000But anyway, the story is that in 2010, I was having a lot of brain fog.
00:02:55.000And I went to a friend of mine, I spoke to a friend of mine about it, and he persuaded me to go get a CAT scan at Columbia Presbyterian in New York.
00:03:06.000And they came back and they said, you have a brain tumor.
00:04:31.000And he said, I think it is this parasite called neurocystis cirrhosis that is common in India where I had been.
00:04:44.000You get it from eating undercooked pork.
00:04:48.000And it's a parasite I later found out And it's also very common because I spent a lot of years, as you might remember, suing the hog industry in Iowa and North Carolina.
00:05:00.000He's made factory farms and it's also common, fairly common among some farmers in that industry.
00:05:08.000And so he said, you know, watch it for six weeks, come back and get another CAT scan.
00:05:17.000And then I came back to six weeks again later and I did it.
00:05:21.000six months, and they didn't grow, and so at the end they decided that's what it must be.
00:05:27.000My brain fog, at the same time, I was diagnosed with very, very high mercury levels, 10 times what EPA's safety levels are, and I got the mercury chelated out over the next year, and my brain function returned.
00:05:44.000So anyway, I'm hoping that that worm, whatever it was, I ate all of the parts of my brain that generate bad thoughts.
00:05:58.000It's done you a great neurological service, I say, taking away the many addictive, crazy parts of your brain that will not serve you going forward into a campaign that's becoming near historic.
00:06:11.000Recall, certainly you can't with all these neurological parasites, a time where an independent candidate has made such an impact and I'm talking about the polling and the impact that you're making, you know, in head-to-heads v Biden, head-to-heads v Trump and it's very exciting.
00:06:29.000Now how are you going to continue to navigate a relatively unique space that has many bureaucratic Barriers that I know that you are surmounting excellently already on the ballot in four states and I know that there are many more to come.
00:06:43.000I want to tackle immediately what seems to be an important fact and an important question and line of inquiry among many of the people that are drawn to your campaign because of its veracity, authenticity, transparency and clarity when it comes to the issue of war.
00:06:59.000I think many of us look to you as the anti-war candidate, although many Trump supporters will say during office Trump avoided war and has a great record in that area.
00:07:09.000I think there are a lot of questions around your perspective on Israel and Gaza.
00:07:14.000I'd love to talk to you about the anti-semitism bill and I'd like to talk to you about why you aren't taking a position of absolute condemnation of all violence, of all Yeah, let me answer that first.
00:07:28.000you haven't condemned this aspect of the escalating Middle Eastern conflict
00:07:34.000that your country is continuing to support via arms.
00:07:38.000Yeah, let me answer that first, you know, just talk about some of those
00:07:44.000initial comments that you've made and then I'll get to guys.
00:07:48.000My polling now shows, and as you said, it's unique in American history.
00:07:53.000We're an independent candidate in head-to-head polls.
00:07:57.000Zogby just did the biggest poll, the largest.
00:08:00.000Typical polls, Russell, like the Gallup poll, Quinnipiac, Harvard-Harris, New York Times, Seattle are around 1,200 to 2,200 people.
00:08:12.000This Ogbee poll is 26,000 people, and it has a margin of error of almost zero, and it's all 50 states.
00:08:20.000You can actually look at the election outcomes, and because the margin of error is so low, anybody who does this poll will come up with the same results.
00:08:27.000And what the results show that what they polled was a head-to-head contest.
00:08:36.000Biden against Trump, with me in the race, and Biden loses.
00:08:41.000Me, Biden against Trump, with me out of the race, Biden loses even worse.
00:08:47.000He loses Maine and Virginia, and those go to Trump if I get out.
00:08:53.000So the people who are saying I need to get out to say Biden, you know, what we found is that 57% of the people who support my campaign say that they will vote for President Trump if I leave.
00:09:05.000And then we measured also Me against Trump?
00:09:14.000When I run against Trump with Biden out of the race, I beat Trump narrowly by about three electoral votes.
00:09:21.000And when I run against Biden with Trump out of the race, I beat him in a devastating landslide.
00:09:27.000So I win 39 states and he wins only 11.
00:09:32.000And there's never been a time in American history when an independent candidate polls this high in head-to-head races against the existing candidates.
00:09:42.000And what it shows, Russell, is that, which we already know because my favorability ratings are the highest, people would like to vote for me, but they are voting for them out of fear.
00:09:55.000Oh, if there's three of us in the race right now, a lot of people would vote out of fear rather than out of hope.
00:10:02.000And over the next six months, my big challenge is to Get Americans to vote out of hope rather than fear.
00:10:09.000On the Gaza issue, you know, I'm anti-war, but that doesn't mean that all wars are evil.
00:10:19.000I think defensive wars, if it's a war of choice, to me it's an immoral war.
00:10:26.000In the last hundred years in my country, All the wars that we've been involved with, except for one, which was World War II, in my view, were immoral wars.
00:10:38.000They were wars of choice, and this includes World War I. My grandfather was a peace activist in World War I, Joseph Kennedy, and he lost a lot of his friends, a lot of his relationships because of that, but he said this war, that it is going to benefit arms dealers, it's going to benefit bankers.
00:10:56.000And it's going to benefit empires, and it's not going to benefit people.
00:11:01.000And, of course, 50 million people died, and he was right about that.
00:11:06.000World War II was a moral war, in my view, because it was a defense war.
00:11:13.000We were attacked by an implacable enemy that was intent on global domination, destruction of Western values, Western cultures, all the things that we—democracy, all the things that we believed in.
00:11:27.000I look at the Israel, of course you know I'm very very much against the Ukraine war, which is definitely a war of choice, and a war we could have avoided.
00:11:36.000I look at the Israel war and I see a defensive war.
00:11:41.000Israel was attacked on October 7th, but not just October 7th.
00:11:46.000It was attacked for 16 years prior to October 7th, with an average of 2,000 missiles a year being fired into civilian centers.
00:11:57.000I consider myself very, very pro-Palestinian.
00:12:01.000I have friendships with many Palestinians.
00:12:07.000I met with the Palestinian leadership in the West Bank.
00:12:11.000I'm associated with an organization, the Jordan River Keeper, in Israel, which is the only organization in Israel that has Palestinians, Jordanians, Arabs, and Israeli Jews on its board.
00:12:26.000I have friends in the West Bank and Gaza today who I'm supporting, and who are living under terrible, terrible circumstances.
00:12:33.000And my heart goes out to all the people who have been injured by this war, particularly the children, the civilians.
00:13:13.000You have an organization, Hamas, that is sworn to the destruction of Israel.
00:13:18.000It has in its charter not only that it wants the annihilation of Israel, but also that it is against Islamic law to even negotiate with Israel, except it's a ruse.
00:13:32.000So people say, you know, we want a ceasefire.
00:13:50.000October 7th is the beginning of a whole series of October 7ths, and it's as good as it's word.
00:13:57.000There have been five ceasefires to date, and every one of them, Hamas has used to rearm, regroup, hoist the banner, and attack again.
00:14:05.000So at some point, if you're Israel, and this last attack, Demonstrated, I think, to everybody in Israel, and this war is overwhelmingly popular in Israel, because people understand that this is no longer a tactical problem.
00:14:23.000They tried to handle it tactically for 16 years.
00:14:25.000They did something that no nation in the world has ever done, which is to build the Iron Dome.
00:14:32.000So they're dealing with a neighbor is firing missiles.
00:14:37.000If Mexico decided to reclaim Texas and started firing 2,000 missiles a year onto San Antonio and Houston, it would take us five minutes to go get rid of the people who were doing it.
00:14:50.000Any other nation in the world would do that.
00:14:53.000And, you know, defensive wars are legal under Article 5 of the UN Charter for a good reason.
00:15:00.000It is that, you know, a nation has an obligation to protect its people, to protect its borders.
00:15:05.000You have a group that is pledged to its destruction, and I don't see how Israel has any choice except to go in and get rid of the group unless they're going to negotiate, which they will not negotiate.
00:15:18.000They've already said, we will not negotiate.
00:15:21.000By the way, every other country in the world that got in this position would surrender.
00:15:37.000It is ensuring their deaths, rather than doing what the Nazis did, what the Japanese did, what everybody else, what Iraq did, which is to say, yeah, we're going to surrender.
00:15:49.000We're not going to put our people through this.
00:15:53.000I mean, the question we should ask ourselves, are we blaming Israel just because it's a Jewish state?
00:16:01.000And, you know, there are, anyway, That may be the beginning of a discussion for you, but that's a simple statement of why I take this position.
00:16:16.000Okay, we're going to have to stop this conversation right here.
00:16:19.000If you want to see Bobby's answer to that question, click the link in the description and join us over on Rumble, where we can speak freely.
00:16:43.000It's a uniquely complex issue in both historical, cultural, religious, territorial, and certainly contemporary American political life.
00:16:53.000And Bobby, while you were talking, because of the space I occupy even as a humble online content creator and comedian, I can Hear the opposing views flying like missiles with varying capacities across borders, ever-expanding, ever-changing, ever-shifting borders.
00:17:15.000And because of my own respect for friends that I have that are Israeli, because of the duty I feel to all oppressed people, who in this instance it seems to me are the people that are under fire and are dying, In their thousands.
00:17:31.000I feel that I have to, to a degree, represent the arguments that are clearly out there.
00:17:37.000That it would be remiss not to note that the International Criminal Court are considering arresting Netanyahu as perhaps they should have arrested Obama.
00:17:46.000As perhaps they should have arrested Bush, as perhaps they should have arrested Blair, as they will not be able to arrest Putin due to the precedent it would likely set that all of our leaders are war criminals.
00:17:58.000And I suppose because of the uniqueness of your position, I suppose that what What people are asking of you is an acknowledgement that this is, you know, on a very pragmatic level costing Joe Biden, or as he is in some quarters now known, genocide Joe votes and popularity.
00:18:18.000It's causing division in new alternative media spaces and the only way that I can even respectfully navigate it as a contributor, an orator, is to say that As an observer who would not like to offend people that are Jewish or Israeli or Muslim or Arab, I feel that the one position that we might take is the position of people that are vehemently opposed to all war.
00:18:48.000And the growing argument for, I want to say, a kind of reframed American isolationism, a refusal to allow America's considerable and unique might to be utilised for the ferviment of provocative wars, whether it's the Ukraine-Russia conflict, or this ongoing conflict, due to, in both cases, I suppose, one might argue that the superior power has a particular duty that comes with power.
00:19:21.000And in both cases, I wonder if America, if America is to continue as it appears to have militarily, if not economically, this somewhat unique position, that there, it seems that there's an enormous appetite among American people and British people that that power be directed towards diplomacy and peace and the cessation of conflict rather than its furtherment.
00:20:29.000It's just a battle between Shia and Sunni death squads.
00:20:34.000We killed more Iraqis than Saddam Hussein in liberating that country from Saddam.
00:20:40.000We pushed Iraq into the into a proxy posture with Iran, which is why October 7th happened, because Saddam Hussein had served as a bulwark against Iranian expansion in the Mideast and the Shia Crescent.
00:20:56.000And now we dismantled that and handed Iraq over to Iran, and it's allowed Iranian expansion to the Houthis, to Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza.
00:21:13.000We also, we created ISIS, we drove four million refugees up into Europe and destabilized every democracy in Europe and probably led to Brexit.
00:21:26.000Oh, and we pushed, you know, we pushed all of those nations into military and economic alliances with each other in opposition to the United States.
00:21:36.000So it's a terrible thing for our country.
00:21:39.000All of these wars and as you know, the succession with war have been I've been terrible for our country, and I'm not an isolationist.
00:21:48.000I believe, like my uncle did, that America should be rejecting economic power abroad and not military power.
00:22:12.000I think, you know, we have innovation in this country, we have freedom, we have entrepreneurship, and we can beat the Chinese in that contest.
00:22:18.000And it was it's a contest that will benefit the whole world.
00:22:22.000It's a contest of peace, of harmony, and of economic development.
00:22:29.000But in terms of You know, I don't believe that there's a genocide going on, and I don't think Israel's intention is genocide.
00:22:39.000I don't believe there's any evidence of genocide.
00:22:42.000There is genocide going on in the Mideast, but it's a genocide of Jews, and it's a genocide of Christians, and nobody's complaining about it for some reason.
00:22:52.000And there are much worse wars than what's happening in Gaza right now, but for some reason, People don't want to complain unless it's Jews who can be blamed.
00:23:04.000In Yemen, I think there's almost 200,000 kids who've been killed in Yemen, and the UAE and the Saudis and the other groups that are perpetuating that war with U.S.
00:23:16.000support are specifically targeting civilian populations with bombs and armaments, and nobody complains.
00:23:25.000The Uyghurs who are being destroyed and eradicated in a genocide in China, the same thing that was happening in Kurdistan.
00:23:34.000In Syria, there are genocides all over the world, but what we're seeing in Gaza is not.
00:23:41.000I mean, listen, let me just point out something.
00:23:46.000There were 750,000 Palestinians In 1947, when the Palestinians declared war on Israel, they said, we do not want an Israel state of any size in the Mideast.
00:24:00.000And they invited six other nations to join them.
00:24:09.000The Arab League, the group that was making war on Israel, told them to leave, to get out of the war zone so that they could eradicate the Jews and then everybody could come back.
00:24:21.000Those Palestinians, which were 740,000 in 1948, are now 7.2 million.
00:24:31.000So if the Israelis are doing genocide, they're not good at it.
00:24:36.000Now contrast that with what happened in the other nations, the Mideast, in 1948.
00:24:41.000Simultaneously, 750,000 Palestinians were leaving Israel during a war.
00:24:52.000Almost a million, about 950,000 Jews were expelled from the Mideast.
00:24:58.000And this is a genocide that's continuing today.
00:25:19.000The surrounding Arab nations, which are 600 times the size of Israel, have a population 60 times that size, and lots of open land, lots of tremendous wealth, refused to take in the Palestinians who they had driven out.
00:25:35.000So, the idea of saying that there's a genocide going on in Israel because people die in war, In every war that's going on in the world today, there are civilians dying.
00:25:52.000And the average death rate, civilian to combatant death rate, according to the United Nations and to the Institute for the Study of Urban Warfare at West Point, is about 9 to 1.
00:26:09.000So they've achieved a better, they protected in the most challenging conditions, the Israeli government had, the IDF, has protected civilians better than any army in history.
00:26:21.000John Spencer said it has done more to protect civilians under more difficult circumstances than any army in history.
00:26:31.000So, you know, I think that there's an argument, you know, the people who are saying that this is a genocide, it's just not accurate.
00:26:43.000Well, Bobby, okay, I understand that there are some pretty powerful interests that are involved and engaged in this conversation, and I feel that it must be a real, you know, God, of course, it's a tragedy that has broader implications than the challenges it presents to us in discussing it, that's for sure, but I would like to, if I may ask you now, About the 95 billion dollar aid package that's just been passed that includes military aid for a variety of countries and which I feel like Lindsey Graham said wouldn't have passed without Trump's endorsement and support.
00:27:25.000When it seems that as this campaign escalates and continues you're likely to be drawn into Further conflict will be verbal with Donald Trump even though it seems that your initial concerns are ensuring that you're not regarded as a figure that's taking votes away from Biden.
00:27:45.000I feel that equally it will be people that are ardent supporters of Donald Trump that will ultimately or Additionally come to fear your ongoing inclusion in this election.
00:27:59.000I wonder where you stand on Trump's support of that bill.
00:28:06.000Generally, about the potential that two ultimately anti-establishment candidates, who in various ways have policies and ideas and convictions that are in alignment with, you know, whether it's the current incumbent of the White House, How are you going to navigate the territory going forward with Trump?
00:28:29.000And what in particular do you suppose are the points of difference between you and Trump when I feel like in both cases your popularity owes something to the perception of that you are anti-establishment candidates.
00:28:42.000And the feeling that people in America want real meaningful change.
00:28:47.000Transparency, clarity, openness and end to censorship.
00:28:51.000Less legislation like that seems designed to curtail and foreclose on free speech.
00:28:56.000Where are the points of difference going to open up?
00:28:59.000Where are you going to be willing to engage in conflict with Trump?
00:29:03.000I recognise that you've invited him to participate in a debate.
00:29:07.000And where would you take that debate, Bobby?
00:29:11.000Yeah, I mean, I've asked him to debate me.
00:29:14.000We're both speaking at the Libertarian Convention in Washington, D.C.
00:29:17.000this week, or May 24th and 25th, Russell, and I've offered him, or asked him to debate me then.
00:29:24.000I, you know, I oppose this aid package to Ukraine.
00:29:29.000I was surprised that Trump actually endorsed it because he's tried to present himself as an anti-war candidate, which he did last time as well.
00:29:39.000But then he brought John Bolton in to run NSA, and he brought a lot of warmongers and neocons in to run his military and intelligence apparatus, and they're the people who were, you know, who laid the groundwork for the Ukraine war.
00:29:54.000He walked away from a nuclear weapons treaty, intermediate weapons treaty with the Russians, and he did a lot of other provocative things.
00:30:03.000What I see is that President Biden and President Trump are very different people.
00:30:09.000If you look at their dispositions, if you look at their personalities, if you look at their ideology, if you look at just their approach to life, all their sort of interactions with the rest of us and with the world.
00:30:25.000But if you actually look at the issues that they talk about, that they differ on, it's a very narrow Overton window.
00:30:47.000The existential issues are issues that they never talk about and that the American people want to hear about because our nation is at stake.
00:30:58.000And one of those issues, of course, is the national debt, which is now $34 trillion.
00:31:06.000And, you know, the service on that debt alone costs us more than our military budget already.
00:31:14.000Within five years, the cost of servicing that debt will absorb 50 cents out of every dollar that we collect in taxes.
00:32:03.000They can't do anything about it because they're the ones who created it, each one in four years.
00:32:08.000The chronic disease epidemic, which is the biggest issue now in our country, and $4.3 trillion a year it's costing us, and they did nothing about it during their terms except for supervise its expansion.
00:32:25.000They don't have any capacity to do anything about it, and they're not even talking about it.
00:32:30.000The polarization, Between Americans that, you know, both of them say they don't like the division and they blame it on the other guy.
00:32:37.000It's more toxic now than at any time since the American Civil War.
00:32:41.000It's being amplified by the algorithms and the social media sites, and it is going to destroy our country if we don't figure out a way to bridge the divide and get people to see themselves as Americans again.
00:32:53.000President Trump and President Biden cannot do that because they are the products of that polarization.
00:32:59.000They're telling people, you need to hate my opponent, you need to hate MAGA people, you need to hate, you know, Democrats, communists, whatever.
00:33:28.000Our government now lies to us every day on a variety of issues.
00:33:33.000And what I'm going to do the day that I get into office is pass an executive order saying that any public employee, federal employee, who lies to the public in conjunction with his His job responsibilities will immediately lose his job, no matter what subject it is.
00:34:16.000Both of them surround themselves with people who are trying to perpetrate it.
00:34:21.000Those are just some of the issues that, you know, the corporate capture of our government, this corrupt merger of state and corporate power, they are part of it.
00:34:30.000President Trump said he was going to drain the swamp.
00:34:35.000But he comes in and he puts Scott Gottlieb, who is a business partner of Pfizer, in charge of the FDA.
00:34:43.000Scott Gottlieb does a $100 billion favor for Pfizer and then leaves to go back to Pfizer, to the board, to collect his payoff.
00:34:51.000And if you look at each one of the federal agencies, the same thing happened.
00:34:55.000Somebody from the industry, Trump brought somebody from the industry in to run that agency.
00:35:04.000And then went back to the industry to collect their dues.
00:35:08.000So I don't see, I see the rhetoric is very different, but what they actually are offering the American public, they're both the same.
00:35:17.000Your polling success, I believe, Bobby, is based on the fact that there is something profound, existential, and I might even offer spiritually, happening not only in the United States, but across the world at the moment.
00:35:29.000You have been subject to some incredible censorship.
00:35:31.000In particular, the film narrated by Woody Harrelson has been banned by Meta and is a good film and it gives a very good
00:35:39.000presentation of some of the significant points of difference between
00:35:42.000you and the other candidates. It seems to me that the emotional appeal of
00:35:48.000Trump, his ability to convey deep, deep rage Dissatisfaction.
00:35:55.000A fury towards institutions that for a long time have betrayed American people.
00:36:00.000The condemnation, criticism and abandonment of ordinary Americans.
00:36:03.000The attempt to stoke racial and cultural division wherever possible.
00:36:08.000To focus continually on the hot-button topics that you note as the points of difference between Biden and Trump.
00:36:14.000It seems to me that what is required now is a significant shift in American political life.
00:36:20.000And it seems to me that what needs to be made explicit is a significant curtailment of the power of the CIA and their numerous carve-outs, an end to the extraordinary projects that have created these numerous Peculiar interstitial agencies that seem to censor on behalf of the of the deep state and create propaganda in a variety of nations on behalf of the deep state.
00:36:47.000There needs to be a new installation of hope.
00:36:50.000There needs to be, I feel Bobby, a sense that on day one that The problem of the, for example, the CIA, the FBI, will be addressed.
00:37:00.000And you are in this extraordinary position of having gone from being an extremely marginal figure, who's been condemned as a crackpot, a kook, an anti-vaxxer, a maniac, in spite of the literal heritage and legacy of your name, and your personal achievements as a lawyer, standing up to significant corporations successfully, Do you feel that you are going to be able to make specific offerings that fulfill this enormous appetite for change?
00:37:29.000Or the deeper that you get into this campaign, do you start to sense that you are undertaking something that is insurmountable?
00:37:39.000That these institutions are by definition bound into the type of corruption that you can't stop?
00:37:46.000People in Congress investing in stocks and shares.
00:38:01.000Is this something that's about reform?
00:38:03.000Is this something that's about a return to values?
00:38:05.000Is this something that can even be umbrella'd by the incredible brand recognition, both of your surname, but of your own achievements?
00:38:12.000Or do you think that this is something that ultimately, because as you have pointed out, Trump ran on an anti-establishment ticket, but you say presided in accordance with relatively typical values.
00:38:24.000How are you going to deliver when it seems so entrenched?
00:38:29.000Well, you know, I feel like I'm more excited about governing than I am about running.
00:38:39.000And that I feel confident to do that, particularly with, you know, I understand how the agencies work.
00:38:47.000I've litigated against the corruption in our country and the economic problems, the social problems.
00:38:53.000A lot of them just come from and the lack, the diminishment of faith of the American people and their institutions and the anger at the institutions are all rooted in this Capture of our institutions by corporate powers.
00:39:09.000So, you know, the major agencies of government have all been captured by the industries they're supposed to regulate and act as sock puppets or subsidiaries of those industries serving the mercantile interests of these big corporations rather than the, you know, the public health interests or the Or the freedom interests, or the democratic interests of the people of the United States of America.
00:39:37.000Oh, I have, I think, a particular ability to unravel that because I've litigated against so many of these agencies when you litigate against them.
00:39:48.000You've got a PhD in corporate capture.
00:40:02.000And I know in many of these agencies, I know that particular individuals will need to be moved out.
00:40:12.000And I understand the perverse incentive systems that put agency capture on steroids.
00:40:18.000For example, FDA gets 50% of its budget from pharmaceutical companies.
00:40:23.000You know, that is not a formula for independence and public service and good government.
00:40:33.000And NIH, scientists who work for it, you know, 30,000 scientists who work for NIH can make money, can collect royalties on the products they
00:40:44.000regulate. And again, that's a weird conflict of interest that I'm going to end. The CIA is the most
00:40:51.000problematical agency, but I have a very clear idea of what I'm going to do with the CIA, and it's the
00:40:58.000same plan that my father had in 1968, and my uncle, President Kennedy, had in 1963, which is to
00:41:06.000separate the plans division, which is the dirty tricks division, the division that fixes
00:41:12.000elections, kills foreign leaders, and runs all the media around the world, and is propagandizing
00:41:26.000To separate that from the espionage division.
00:41:29.000The espionage is what CIA was created for, which is information gathering and analysis.
00:41:36.000And that's something that the President of the United States desperately needs.
00:41:40.000Very, very good information to make decisions on.
00:41:45.000The CIA, very early in its life, perverted its purpose by taking on these other Responsibilities and powers that were never intended.
00:41:59.000And now it's a government within our government and it is threatening democracy.
00:42:03.000One of the problems is we passed an act in 1948, Russell, called the Smith-Munt Act.
00:42:14.000And that act made it illegal for the CIA to propagandize Americans.
00:42:19.000They can propagandize everybody else in the world, but they're not allowed to propagandize Americans.
00:42:25.000And that act was waived in 2014 by President Obama.
00:42:30.000And it has now given the CIA permission to propagandize our people.
00:42:35.000So, you know, right now there's a big movement in our country to ban TikTok because they're scared of the influence of China, which I think is a legitimate fear.
00:42:47.000But I'm much more frightened Of the capacity of the CIA to control, particularly through AI and these other new technologies, to warp our perception of reality, to serve an agenda that is not a democratic agenda, to control people, to diminish the reach of democracy and increase the power of totalitarian elements within our societies and of, you know,
00:43:21.000of nefarious groups within our societies, and I'm going to restore the Smith-Bund Act.
00:43:28.000In 1973, Americans learned for the first time that the CIA had been violating the Smith-Bund Act, and they had a program called Operation Mockingbird, where they had the leading journalists, over 400 of the leading journalists in our country, and editors at You know, the New York Times, the Washington Post, ABC, CBS, NBC were actually working for the CIA and propagandizing Americans.
00:44:15.000They're the biggest funders of journalism on earth.
00:44:20.000And, you know, and so they can they can craft and mold public perception elsewhere, but they're not supposed to be doing that here in the United States.
00:44:29.000But now, since 2014, they've been able to do it.
00:44:33.000And there's been a series of great articles recently by historians like David Talbott, like Dick Russell, and others, Kevin Shipp, who are intelligence agency historians, showing that there are journals now in the United States that are controlled by the agency.
00:44:53.000Daily Beast is, Daily Kos, Salon, Slate, Rolling Stone, which used to be the center of the counterculture, the guy Who runs Rolling Stone, and the company that purges Rolling Stone appears to be on the CIA front, and the guy who runs it, Noah Schlachman, is a person who came out of the national security state.
00:45:20.000And if you look at the articles now in those journals, they're all very pro-vaccine, which of course is a Defense Agency Program, and they're very pro-war, every kind of war.
00:45:37.000And they, you know, if you look at all of the agenda items of the CIA, you can go down the list and check off that all of these journals are now are kind of automaton-like in supporting and promoting
00:45:57.000And it's not healthy for a democracy. It's very, very dangerous.
00:46:00.000Your staggering book, The Real Anthony Fauci, illustrated in incredible depth
00:46:05.000with extraordinary footnotes and evidence the true history of Anthony Fauci,
00:46:15.000his early engagement with military projects, his incredible portfolio and involvement
00:46:24.000with the development of dual-purpose...
00:46:28.000Research, and when I read it some time ago when you were still a figure banned from online spaces, inaccessible to all but the most esoteric and eager investigators of marginal spaces, I felt like this, I felt like, well this can't be true, but it makes sense and it is true.
00:46:46.000For you to have moved from the place where when your books are a bestseller the New York Times just, you know, almost run a blank space as if you're Elvis's pelvis, to the point where you are now running for president and polling well.
00:47:01.000How do you think that those kind of ideas, because it sounds like you're saying that ultimately Anthony Fauci is a criminal and it seemed to me like when you were saying federal employees that lie should be held accountable.
00:47:29.000I mean, I think the best thing for our country, Russell, is to have some kind of truth and reconciliation commission, you know, like they've had in Latin American countries, El Salvador, Argentina and all over the world.
00:47:45.000And the way those commissions work is you appoint a high-level commission of people who are representing kind of all the major stakeholders, but who are very highly respected people.
00:48:01.000And if people from the government agencies come forward and tell the complete truth about what happened during COVID, for example, then they are immune from prosecution.
00:48:14.000Those things that they testified truthfully about and the people who refuse to talk are now subject to prosecution and you build you know the information base and then they put out a report and tell exactly what happened and you know I will a lot of these commissions are just fancy ways of covering up the truth And, you know, and satisfying the public demand for an investigation, but I'm going to do a real investigation.
00:48:44.000I'm going to tell, I'm going to be rigorous about making sure the Americans know every item of truth that happened then and the rest of the world, because it's critical to make sure we never do anything like that again.
00:48:55.000And we know, um, you know, what works and we know what doesn't work.
00:49:00.000And we can recognize when we start heading down a bad path again.
00:49:04.000And, uh, We need that kind of rigorous process that also provides for the people who won't cooperate with it may be criminally prosecuted.
00:49:18.000Sir, may I ask that doesn't a reckoning of that scale expose what many people would regard as the true powers that ultimately manipulate and move Through various intersectional points between the deep state and other globalist bureaucracies and benefit indeed from America's ongoing covert involvement in coups and wars.
00:49:42.000Ultimately if you challenge those kind of interests how doesn't your own family history rather garishly and awfully and indeed tragically demonstrate that in all likelihood a serious undertaking of such an endeavor would likely lead to your murder?
00:50:00.000Well, you know, that is irrelevant to me.
00:50:06.000You know, it's relevant only in that it would be strategically a bad mistake to let myself get murdered.
00:50:14.000And so I'll take precautions to help ensure that that, you know, to make that difficult for anybody who wants to try it.
00:50:23.000But, you know, look, We had a generation of Americans in 1776 who put their lives on the line for our country to give us this Constitution.
00:50:33.000They put their property, their reputation, their health, their families, and a lot of them died.
00:50:42.000And then again, during the Civil War, there was 659,000 people who gave their lives so that we could have our country.
00:50:50.000So I think people from every generation need to You know, need to be willing to take risks to hold on to our Constitution.
00:51:00.000If we're not willing to take those risks, we're going to lose it.
00:51:03.000So you need at least a few people in every generation who say, America is worth it.
00:51:13.000And, you know, we've had millions of Americans die in wars to protect our freedom.
00:51:20.000And we all have to be willing to do that.
00:51:23.000So, you know, I think it was Jefferson who said that every generation must water the tree of liberty with bloodshed if we're going to keep our values or be willing to do that.
00:51:37.000And so I think that's something that, you know, that's just an assumption that I feel, That makes any kind of threat at this point irrelevant to me.
00:51:51.000Bobby, you talk about your Catholicism and the catechism in your video that's being, it seems at least, pretty significantly suppressed on Meta.
00:52:02.000What do you think is the importance of spiritual values?
00:52:29.000Men like you and me that have lived pretty crazy lives and I certainly haven't made the mistakes I've been accused of making but by God I've made mistakes.
00:52:36.000How do you insert or colour American political life with a set of values that due to the nature of secularism are extracted even though it's beginning to seem to me precisely what's necessary.
00:52:50.000Some kind of return to a set of values that are unifying and uplifting.
00:52:57.000Yeah, and I think Americans want that.
00:52:59.000I mean, I think there's two questions there, which are one is kind of the individual question of, you know, what is our responsibility of human beings toward?
00:53:12.000And what is our relationship with God or whatever you want to call the ultimate embodiment of power and principle?
00:53:21.000And I think our Our relationship is to strive for existential truth, strive to understand and to comply.
00:53:35.000In other words, to understand what the right thing to do is and what our correct relationship is with the universe, with God, with our neighbors, with our community, with our wives and our children.
00:54:24.000Are we doing the next right thing right now?
00:54:27.000The only thing that any of us control is that tiny piece of real estate inside of our own shoes.
00:54:37.000But we do have control over that, you know, and that's what We focus on rather than what's happening in the world around us, that's all the turbulence of life or politics of controversy.
00:54:52.000And we have to go a little below the surface where it's calm and find that calm in our relationship with a spiritual life.
00:55:02.000And then focus on right and wrong, on pursuing the light.
00:55:07.000And walking away from the darkness and, you know, that's the struggle.
00:55:32.000There may be circumstances where it isn't.
00:55:35.000So the rules and regulations, as Christ talked about constantly, he said, you know, people are binding up heavy burdens for other men to carry with all the rules and regulations and the hierarchies and orthodoxies.
00:55:52.000And he said that, you know, he was kind of breaking the rules and saying, What you eat, you know, how you, whether you act on, if you, if you act on the Sabbath to heal somebody, that's a good thing, right?
00:56:10.000If you, what you put in your body, the clean, it's not what makes you unclean.
00:56:16.000It's the way that you conduct your lives, whether you conduct it with integrity, with kindness, whether you comply with the golden rule, which is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
00:56:27.000And that these are, you know, he was kind of Creating an ethical framework for religion, and there were other Jewish rabbis at that time, Rabbi Hillel, who were, you know, probably a huge influence on Christ, who was separating from the old notion of orthodoxies, of kind of tribal religions, and saying, oh, it's about
00:56:58.000the center organizing framework for religious practice rather than just a tribal belief, you know.
00:57:13.000And that's what I think we have to all strive for, but we have to find it in our own way.
00:57:17.000What Socrates meant when he said that good is what the good man does, is that there's never any answer.
00:57:23.000God has made reality very complicated for us so that there's never a clear answer of
00:57:41.000The determination to do what's right and then the striving to get there.
00:57:46.000I think we all have to do that as individuals.
00:57:50.000I know how we're supposed to recover ourselves as a country.
00:57:57.000We get our sustenance from the soil, from good, rich, chemical-free soils.
00:58:02.000We get it from feeding our kids sustaining type of foods and nutritious foods and making sure that they have that.
00:58:12.000We get it from building relationships in the community, from moving away from the atomization, the fragmentation that is the legacy of all these social media and technologies.
00:58:29.000Ultimately, community is the only source of dignity and knowledge and the only real rich future in the post-industrial era, the post-technology era.
00:58:45.000We have to strive to hold on to community and to build community in ways.
00:58:50.000And that's why one of the things I've said I'm going to build these wellness farms all over the country as my big Peace Corps program, where kids can go and get off of drugs.
00:59:02.000And, you know, not only illegal drugs, but also psychiatric drugs, I guess, SRIs and benzos.
00:59:10.000And that these places are going to be places where you stay for maybe prolonged periods, however long you need.
00:59:18.000We're going to have no cell phones there and no screens so that people learn to talk to each other again, you know, and to relate to each other and to build relationships with each other, because that's the source of our strength.
00:59:30.000And that's the source, ultimately, of the strength of our democracy, of our nation.
00:59:36.000it's going to come from lots of little nodes of communities, you know, experimenting with
00:59:42.000different ways of living in community all over our country.
00:59:45.000And that, you know, to me is that is not only good for our physical health, but also our
00:59:56.000I've only had a few skirmishes with the kind of powers that I fear engage whenever there is an emergent voice for good, and it's really been pretty terrifying, and thank you very much for your willingness to engage with that power.
01:00:17.000I really appreciate and admire that in you and respect that in you.
01:00:21.000Your valour, your decency, your kindness, your gentle madness, your parasite-ridden cerebellum.
01:00:30.000I hope that you're still going to be capable to participate in some kind of pull-up competition, which I'm regretting ever having even conceded to.
01:00:40.000Is that something that's likely to take place in Nashville?
01:00:42.000Because I'm pretty keen to avoid it if there's a way.
01:01:16.000I know how hard you're working and I know how, I don't know, I can't imagine how difficult what you're going through is and I pray for you and I appreciate you and I'm really looking forward to seeing you.
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