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00:01:05.000If you're watching this on YouTube, first 15 minutes we'll be here.
00:01:08.000Then we'll slink off like phantoms into the free speech haven of rumble, where we can speak freely of love, unity and anti-establishment sentiment.
00:01:17.000We go there for the speech of love, not for the language of hate.
00:01:21.000Also, in our presentation, here's the news now, here's the effing news, we're talking about Sound of Freedom.
00:01:26.000Is it the economic model behind this film, or its subject that's got the establishment, and in particular the mainstream media, all up in a twist about this issue?
00:01:37.000But first, we're gonna be talking about...
00:01:40.000Turns out, on-screen assistant Gareth Roy, that Hunter Biden got special treatment off the FBI.
00:01:53.000So apparently it is confirmed that the FBI told the Hunter Biden investigator to duck committee questions.
00:01:58.000A lawyer for the FBI told an agent who investigated Hunter Biden to avoid answering questions from the House Oversight Committee.
00:02:05.000The committee is probing whether the officers looking into Biden's tax affairs and drug use on a gun permit gave the 53-year-old preferential treatment.
00:02:14.000FBI counsel Jason Jones, you've been gone too long, sent a letter Sunday to the agent whose name has been redacted just hours before they were set to testify before the committee, telling them to dodge questions about ongoing investigative activity.
00:02:27.000I suppose what that reveals is they have access to the kind of legal advice that many of us would like when confronted by allegations of this nature.
00:02:36.000Well, he's also got the FBI on his side, allegedly.
00:02:41.000The FBI on the team at a time like that.
00:02:44.000I mean this is what has been alleged by the IRS whistleblowers wasn't it that essentially Hunter Biden in these charges basically getting off looking looking like without prison time um and only certain things investigated i.e his tax dealings and the gun charge means that essentially very little is going to come of it and when you have all the stuff that we know with the FBI and the CIA with relation to Hunter and his father, it does feel to a lot of people like he's
00:03:13.000And what about the revelations that Joe Biden is a ranted madman who uses S words, F words,
00:03:19.000and even C words with undue proclivity? He can't stop swearing at his staff.
00:03:25.000They're terrified of him, it's recently been alleged.
00:03:27.000Later in the week, we've got the man who wrote this book, whose name I'm not willing to tell you, coming up on this show, as soon as tomorrow.
00:03:37.000Has DeSantis missed his moment, or is his moment yet to come?
00:03:41.000Is the Floridian wonderland collapsing, or is Florida the pilot for a brand new America?
00:03:49.000What I suppose I have to query, ...is whether or not people are still interested in conventional politics at all, with 45% of Democrat voters open to third-party candidature.
00:04:00.000This, I suppose, is because of the rise of populist figures like RFK, Donald Trump.
00:04:05.000DeSantis, he's more of a within-the-establishment conventional political figure, isn't he?
00:04:10.000Cornel West is one of those third-party candidates who claims openly that NATO is the instrument of US global power.
00:04:18.000Now, why that's interesting is, of course, Cornel West He's not the kind of figure that can easily be smeared, because he's like a darling of the establishment, or at least he was until very recently.
00:04:30.000I wonder what's going to happen to him now.
00:04:31.000Let's have a look at this viral clip where Cornel West says that NATO provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which of course is the kind of thing that we say pretty regular here on Stay Free with Russell Brand, but let us know in the comments what you think about this.
00:04:42.000That's how empires behave, Sister Caitlin.
00:04:45.000If Russia had missiles in Mexico and Canada, the United States government would probably blow them to smithereens because that's how empires behave.
00:04:52.000We had the same challenge in Cuba in 1962.
00:05:11.000And we have to be able to conceive of a world where when we look at China, when we look at Russia, when we look at Ethiopia, when we look at Haiti, when we look at Brazil, we got to see precious human beings rather than these competitive nation states that are trying to devour more profits, more land, and more territory.
00:05:33.000Can we Can we conceive of such a world?
00:07:49.000How many more figures that are diverse and with varying views have to emerge before what becomes clear and observable is the establishment is trying to hold on to power within the judiciary, within the media, in every aspect of American political and financial life they are clamouring to not yield their power.
00:08:10.000It's becoming obvious now The technology and communications miracle that means that there's the emergence of independent channels like this one, new voices like yours are able to be heard, means that they have to find new and novel ways to delegitimize opposition.
00:08:27.000If it's Trump, it'll be for the reasons that are applicable to Trump.
00:08:31.000If it's for RFK, they'll come up with some reasons there.
00:08:33.000If it's Cornel West, they'll come up with reasons.
00:08:36.000What I'm starting to think is that We are approaching the point where you could move beyond the bipartisan model.
00:08:43.000Not only that, you could move beyond centralisation more generally.
00:08:46.000Isn't it becoming clear to you, and let me know in the comments if this is true, that what you need in a nation like America is more federalisation, more democracy, more decentralisation.
00:08:57.000And this is something we can talk to Ron DeSantis about later this week.
00:09:00.000If the people of Florida have a very particular perspective, a will that they're able to demonstrate through the electoral process, then Floridians can run Florida how they want to.
00:09:15.000The smallest possible communities, the smallest legitimate Because increasingly it's becoming evident to me that the process of centralisation affords the capacity to have elites.
00:09:29.000The more you decentralise, the more difficult it is to have globalist entities that dominate the world.
00:09:35.000The more difficult it is to have state entities that can govern wildly.
00:09:39.000Look at the direction that, say for example, the WHO are trying to take it in.
00:09:43.000They're trying to take it in a direction that they can govern from the top down.
00:09:47.000That all of us will contribute to WHO coffers while they pass edicts and laws.
00:09:52.000This is what the treaty they're advocating for right now suggests.
00:09:56.000A pandemic response for all of its member nations.
00:09:59.000That basically means all the nations of the world.
00:10:02.000The WHO has been hollowed out by its funding model.
00:10:05.000It's been publicly admitted by members of their own board that they have to respond to the needs of their funders.
00:10:10.000Let me know in the comments if you know who the biggest private funder of the WHO is.
00:10:15.000Of course you're going to get third-party candidates emerging.
00:10:18.000Of course you're going to hear more advocacy for true independence, because it's becoming apparent that NATO isn't a peacekeeping alliance, that it's essentially a militaristic arm, as Cornel West says, of US expansionist interests.
00:10:33.000Yeah, that demands 2% of GDP at a minimum.
00:10:40.000And that is a commitment to spend on weapons.
00:10:44.000And so I think, again, when you get someone like Tucker Carlson, now a kind of independent voice, free from the mainstream media, Challenging people like Mike Pence and you get more rounds of applause for Tucker Carlson than presidential candidates for the Republican Party that go back 10, 15, 20 years.
00:11:02.000Once those kind of candidates are there, they're treated with, you know, respect and this, that and the other and unchallenged.
00:11:08.000Tucker's going there and he's making them look like fools.
00:11:11.000Could you see that there's more and more demand for categories like misinformation and disinformation?
00:11:18.000I read an article recently saying that there should be a system of hierarchies in media, like, oh, the New York Times, that's proper legit media.
00:11:27.000Oh, Rolling Stone even, CNN, these are verified media.
00:11:32.000But it seems to me that the opposite That is what's required.
00:11:35.000That what's naturally occurring, the erosion of trust in these institutions, the breakdown of trust in legacy media organisations like the New York Times, is just desserts for the way they've behaved.
00:11:47.000Of course the New York Times also reports true information, let me know in the comments if you agree with that.
00:11:51.000But, significantly, on issues that matter, they parrot the talking points and the views of the elite establishment.
00:11:58.000And now, because of the way the media is fragmenting, because of your voice, it's possible to counter those arguments.
00:12:04.000Yeah, we wouldn't even have questioned Mike Pence going on Tucker and saying, Of course I'm going to do exactly what Joe Biden's going to do.
00:12:10.000You've known that for years, haven't you?
00:12:11.000It doesn't matter if you vote for red or blue, you're going to vote ultimately for the military-industrial complex.
00:12:16.000Now you can have a figure like Tucker who's more popular than any Republican candidate, bar perhaps Trump.
00:12:21.000Let me know in the comments, would Tucker, if Tucker was to stand, would he trounce the opposition in the Republican party or even the Democrat party?
00:12:29.000Do those categories even matter anymore?
00:12:32.000What we have now is true populism and the true ability to convey complex and opposing points.
00:12:38.000But you've also got independent figures from both sides.
00:12:42.000Or maybe there aren't sides anymore, as we keep on talking about.
00:12:44.000Maybe it's the anti-establishment and the establishment now.
00:12:48.000Because you've essentially got Cornel West and Tucker Carlson saying the same thing.
00:12:52.000You've got Tucker Carlson challenging Mike Pence to say, America is falling apart, it's infrastructure is falling apart, has been for years, and we're committing 150 billion to this proxy war, essentially.
00:13:04.000When Tucker Carlson and Cornel West are saying the same thing, when Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump are saying the same thing, isn't that an indication that the model is collapsing?
00:13:15.000Let us know in the comments, let us know in the chat if you agree with that.
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00:13:32.000I've got so many exciting things to tell you about.
00:13:34.000But now, another exciting topic before we shift to being exclusively on Rumble.
00:13:45.000See if you can edit it down to a few less words for Christ's sake.
00:13:48.000Because we're going to move on to the subject of UFOs, and then once we're exclusively on Rumble, we're going to talk about Falchi's gain-of-function cover-up.
00:13:54.000Now we're going to talk about UFOs, although Gareth seems to want to make yet another point on this independent media thing.
00:13:59.000It was just one point about RFK, because the interesting thing with this is that, obviously, if he loses the, you know, democrat position, he doesn't get to stand as candidate, and he stands as an independent, which has been done before, When you're looking at 45% of voters are open to that, then it's like, it's not game over.
00:14:15.000And obviously everyone's like, if he doesn't get the Canada sea then it's game over, but maybe it's not.
00:14:19.000When we continually talk to folks like Marianne Williamson or these more renegade and peripheral characters,
00:14:26.000they seem to yet still believe it's necessary to rise up through the ranks of one of the established parties.
00:14:33.000But it does seem now that you could have an alliance between peripheral figures from both parties and independent parties that would garner more support than either of the mainstream parties that ultimately are funded in the same way.
00:14:46.000Let's have a look at the results for our poll.
00:14:48.000Would you be willing to vote for an independent party candidate?
00:14:51.000Perhaps one of the catalysts of our ever-evolving times are these stories around extraterrestrial life, UFOs and UAPs.
00:14:59.000One of the most significant and certainly one of the most amusing voices, post his Dave Grush interview, is Ross Colthart, friend of the show, a man who always manages to make the subject of UFOs seem incredibly sexy.
00:15:12.000We're going to come off of YouTube right now, as a matter of fact, and right after this we're going to talk about Fauci's gain-of-function cover-up.
00:15:21.000So if you're if you're watching this on YouTube, click the link in the description.
00:16:45.000Like, which, as you know, Gareth, as you know, you don't need me to tell you that a pig's penis can independently move like that, like an octopus's.
00:16:51.000So what's the real revelations this week?
00:16:54.000I think the real revelation is that Ross Coulthart's got a prehensile penis with a corkscrew tip.
00:17:35.000Sure they can do loads of stuff, then.
00:17:37.000But I think if you've got that kind of technology, the last thing you want to worry about is barbecues.
00:17:42.000Like whether or not you've got adequate fuel for the holiday season.
00:17:46.000I always wonder with this chat when it's like, oh they've got such advanced weaponry, it's like, alright, come on then, how much do you want for the weapons?
00:17:54.000I always feel like that's essentially where this is going.
00:17:56.000Yeah, that they're going to just, they're essentially trying to market this tech for weapons.
00:18:01.000We've learned that there's life from outer space, and that it's dangerous, and we could sell its technology to kill people on this planet.
00:18:20.000Just when I think I know everything I need to know about Fauci, it comes out of another outrageous piece of skullduggery.
00:18:27.000A newly unredacted email from Anthony Fauci suggesting the Covid-19 pandemic may have been grounded in gain-of-function research essentially reveals his public statements from then on were an aggressive attempt to hide the truth, former CDC director Robert Redfield said on Monday.
00:18:40.000Now I don't want you to get confused here.
00:18:42.000It's not the Robert Redfield that you... It's not Robert... Sundance Film Festival.
00:18:52.000The letter in question has been nearly completely redacted save for the first line.
00:18:56.000Fauci wrote to folks that the viral sequence found in the coronavirus strain contained mutations in the virus that would have been most unusual to have evolved naturally in bats, adding there had been suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted.
00:19:13.000So basically he wrote this very early on so this is before the proximal origin paper that we know about which was essentially to go with no this you know came from the wet market despite the many voices at the time scientific voices that were saying we're not sure we think it's going to come from a lab and Fauci in an email here that's now been revealed saying that there's a suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted i must have been in a lab so again it's not something that we kind of didn't know already but The more and more that these emails are uncovered, and the more and more voices that are added to, we were saying this at the time, or this was redacted, or we weren't allowed to say this, just confirms what we've been thinking for a while, that this was a lab leak.
00:19:55.000They knew all along, RFK says if he becomes president he's going to prosecute Fauci, release Assange, it's a complete reversal of the order.
00:20:04.000When people say stuff like the New York Times by and large is a reliable news source, or CNN is a reliable news source, how can they not take into account this story, perhaps the most significant and defining story of our age?
00:20:18.000A global pandemic, the first one since Spanish flu in 1918 or ever, which appears to have been handled in an extraordinary way.
00:20:29.000And most of the time when you untangle some of the anomalies, hypocrisies and contradictions, it appears to point towards corruption.
00:20:48.000And then all the things that followed that, all the measures that were taken, all the people that lost their jobs, all the people that were deemed to be conspiracy theorists or should be shamed, all of those things followed these decisions.
00:21:00.000Some of the people that were sort of condemned most for being conspiracy theorists were much closer to the truth than just ordinary everyday news.
00:21:12.000With these revelations around UFOs, with the emergence that many Americans, nearly half, ...of Americans would be willing to vote for a third-party candidate, the revelation that the whole pandemic narrative is starting to unravel, and also new emergent models for making entertainment, whether it's us independently bringing you news from a variety of perspectives, not to advocate for hatred but indeed the opposite, to advocate for love, or the new movie Sound of Freedom, a movie that's been funded in a novel way
00:21:44.000promoted outside of the mainstream and is breaking box office records.
00:21:49.000Let's have a look at Sound of Freedom.
00:21:51.000Why is it that the mainstream media hate it?
00:21:53.000Is it because it's a threat to their monopoly?
00:21:56.000Or is it because the subject matter is a subject they simply don't want to discuss?
00:22:08.000Sound of Freedom is smashing it at the box office and is being attacked continually by the mainstream.
00:22:15.000Is that because it's a box office success?
00:22:17.000Is it because of QAnon conspiracy theories?
00:22:20.000Is it because it's a new emergent business model?
00:22:23.000Or does the establishment have something more serious to hide?
00:22:28.000Hello there you 6.5 million awakening wonders.
00:22:31.000Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.
00:22:34.000A voyage we can undertake together in glory and success.
00:22:38.000New stories are being told, new economic models are emerging, new challenges to the monopoly of entertainment and culture.
00:22:46.000Whether you agree with their position or presumed position or not, you have to acknowledge this is a significant, maybe even seismic shift in the way that entertainment is made, funded, promoted and the way it reaches its audience.
00:23:00.000How has Sound of Freedom become such a success?
00:23:52.000Because God's children are not for sale.
00:23:56.000It appears that there's a cultural thirst for a film that presents an issue that you might imagine all people would agree on is worthy of attention.
00:24:06.000The trafficking of children appears to be more pervasive than people have previously thought and are willing to discuss.
00:24:14.000And it seems that American audiences in particular, and let me know how you feel in the comments, have a real appetite to see this story told.
00:24:22.000A story that is righteous, clearly connected to Christian values.
00:24:26.000Angel Studios also of course made The Chosen, which is a retelling of gospel stories.
00:24:30.000And as a side note, stars my friend Jonathan as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but was also my body double when I used to be in HBO's show with The Rock, Ballers.
00:24:39.000So I am able to say that Jesus was my body double.
00:24:47.000It's impossible to talk about Sound of Freedom without acknowledging that part of the mainstream avenue of attack is around the QAnon connection.
00:25:39.000And I can't help but feel that many of the attacks levelled at this movie are because this has bypassed the ordinary systems of promotion and production.
00:25:48.000This is not made by one of the big studios, this has not been promoted in the normal way, and it's still found a massive audience.
00:25:56.000I feel that the media in general are very threatened, obviously, by new independent media models, because what they have is a kind of collective monopoly.
00:26:08.000But what I mean is there's a sort of an easy tension between the media superpowers that make television and movies and if you start to find ways where you can make content and say look we don't care if this is a popular subject or if you presume it has affiliations with particular political persuasions which By the way, are allowed.
00:26:27.000People are allowed to be conservative.
00:26:43.000And liberalism means freedom, and libertarianism means freedom.
00:26:47.000So what's the argument that everyone's having?
00:26:49.000My assumption is, is that the mainstream media, as with our kind of content, doesn't like the emergence of this type of model.
00:26:56.000The same way that the mainstream attacked Joe Rogan during coronavirus because of his outspoken stance on health, alternative medicines, and his willingness to have a variety of conversations on the subject of coronavirus and the handling of the pandemic.
00:27:11.000They obviously opposed the content, but they oppose even the concepts of Joe Rogan.
00:27:17.000They don't want there to be a Joe Rogan.
00:27:19.000Joe Rogan is a real thorn in the side.
00:27:21.000Beyond that now though, he's overtaken them, hasn't he, plainly?
00:27:25.000There's something about the content they don't like.
00:27:27.000There's something about it that they don't like.
00:27:29.000And it's difficult to reflect on what that might be.
00:27:32.000And I hope it isn't what some of you will doubtlessly be saying in the comments.
00:27:35.000I really hope that the reason this film is receiving all of these criticisms and attacks is not because there's institutionalised sex trafficking to a degree where people don't want it spoken about.
00:27:46.000What is easier to understand is they are threatened by the economic model itself and don't want people to go, hey, listen, you know, if you want to do remakes of old films, and hey, I've been in a remake of an old film, you know, if you want to do that stuff and it has an audience, you make it.
00:28:00.000But if we want to make stuff that's about Christianity or Islam or whatever, like, you know, whether it's a religious or cultural idea, I don't see what it is about this film that's an attack on anybody's values.
00:28:12.000It seems like it's somewhat anti-deep state because it's a rogue and renegade figure that breaks away from bureaucracy in order to do what he believes was necessary to be done.
00:28:20.000The fact is it's based on the truth, like any movie that's based on the truth.
00:28:23.000There's extemporization, there's the collapsing of characters, there's the simplification and amplification of certain events and details.
00:28:30.000That's standard in any narrativization of true events.
00:28:34.000But what I don't actually understand is Why they are choosing to conflate it so strongly with things that are plainly nefarious.
00:28:44.000I don't even know quite where the cartilage is between, we've rescued these children that were being sex trafficked and QAnon.
00:28:53.000In a way, perhaps part of the reason this film has become such a phenomena is it provides us the opportunity to talk about the nature of conspiracy theory and censored information.
00:29:01.000Conspiracy theories, over the last few years, have gained a lot of momentum.
00:29:05.000Some of these conspiracy theories might be extreme and some of them seem quite plausible.
00:29:10.000In particular, when you talk about QAnon, people start talking about Pizzagate or that furniture shop where people said it was a front for trafficking.
00:29:17.000And those might be some of the more outlandish aspects I don't know.
00:29:21.000Let me know what you think in the comments.
00:29:23.000But in our country, the UK, there was recently an investigation into Westminster, the seat of our parliamentary power, that's the same as saying Capitol Hill in your language, and presumed nefarious activity, the worst kind of nefarious activity that you can imagine.
00:29:35.000In fact, the subject of this film covers exactly that activity.
00:29:38.000And mysteriously, about three prime ministers ago, which could have been an hour ago in our country, we'd churn through them, like, they lost There's gonna be an inquiry into some pretty serious stuff.
00:29:50.000There's some accusations being made about things going on in Westminster.
00:29:58.000That doesn't make you feel more comfortable that there is no such thing as conspiracy theories, does it?
00:30:03.000The fact that you still can't talk about the assassination of JFK, or at least you can't talk about it, you can't get access to the information, that there are aspects of the pandemic that are still heavily redacted and controlled.
00:30:13.000Conspiracy emerges out of clandestine spaces when there is no trust in authority.
00:30:18.000And the reason there's no trust in authority is because we live in a surveillance state with increasing censorship.
00:30:23.000Information is being controlled with the creation of new categories.
00:30:26.000And when something like this emerges that's entrepreneurial and perhaps Christian, which is one way of looking at reality.
00:30:33.000I know a lot of you guys are Christian and I love Jesus Christ.
00:30:36.000People attack it saying, oh, it's to do with QAnon.
00:30:40.000It seems like that's a little bit of a stretch.
00:30:42.000It seems, too, that the whole area of conspiracy theory, when we're now investigating the truth of UFOs publicly, is something that we might have to reprise.
00:30:51.000We might have to reappraise our attitude towards.
00:30:53.000Because it increasingly seems that stuff that's regarded as conspiracy theory often has at least some truth to it, and sometimes is just completely true.
00:31:05.000She has to put those pieces back together.
00:31:08.000Even though the subject is pretty heavy and dark, kind of like other Hollywood films, isn't it?
00:31:12.000I mean, it's like Taken, like the idea of a lone guy who's opposing the forces of corruption and going against the system.
00:31:19.000I mean, that's a really recognisable Hollywood trope.
00:31:22.000So why in particular has this garnered so much negative attention?
00:31:25.000Once again, I believe it's because it was promoted, ignoring the usual channels of promotion, i.e.
00:31:31.000This is almost like the Robert F. Kennedy of movies, popularising itself without having to go through the traditional gatekeepers.
00:31:37.000It's funded without the typical Hollywood backers, and it contains a subject that evidently holds some tension in particular circles.
00:31:45.000It's a very extraordinary phenomena, this, and to see it conflated overtly with conspiracy theory is interesting.
00:31:52.000Perhaps the people involved in this film are Christian.
00:31:54.000Perhaps the people involved in this film have conservative values that are at odds with the presumed liberalism of many of the institutions within entertainment.
00:32:12.000Unless the real problem is they simply don't want this subject being discussed.
00:32:16.000Why don't you let me know in the comments whether you think it's the subject of this film that's the problem, or the economic model of the film that's the problem, or both.
00:32:23.000Let's have a look at this in more detail.
00:32:25.000Sound of Freedom, the crowdfunded film, moved up the box office ranking in its second weekend in theatres, a rarity for movies, and a sign of the strong support for the film.
00:32:34.000Particularly from right-wing audiences, despite the scrutiny it has faced for its lead actors' ties to conspiracy theories.
00:32:42.000Sound of Freedom took home the number two spot at the box office this weekend, earning $27 million from Friday to Sunday and over $85 million overall since it opened in theatres on July the 4th, according to Box Office Mojo.
00:32:52.000That means there's going to be more films like this because it's an economic success and this is proof of concept that there is a market for this type of content.
00:32:59.000So of course it's being attacked and smeared.
00:33:02.000Here's part of the fantastic conversation I had with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.
00:33:05.000Let me know what you thought of it in the comments.
00:33:07.000Can you tell me a little bit about the process of getting this film made?
00:33:11.000Tim, tell us how you've come to be in this position and as well touch on stuff
00:33:16.000and why you believe it's so important that people see Sound of Freedom.
00:33:22.000So I spent 12 years as a special agent, undercover operator, and I would get deeper and deeper as the years went on, trying to find the root of the problem.
00:35:05.000And at first they said they love Jim as an actor, but they wanted someone that looks a little bit like me because they had written into the script kind of this transitional thing at the end where they show real footage.
00:36:37.000And now, having spoken to both of you for a few minutes, it becomes pretty plain why certain aspects of the media are not willing to promote this film.
00:36:49.000One, I think, is because it is an economic model that's outside of their control.
00:36:53.000It's a promo model that's outside of their control.
00:36:57.000And it's plain that from just from your most recent answer, Tim, that you believe there's a connection between this type of activity and powerful institutions, shall we say.
00:37:10.000So evidently there is, you know, now it makes more sense.
00:37:13.000But what I'd read up to now is that they were saying it's connected to groups like QAnon and conspiracy theories.
00:37:19.000But one of the things I've learned over the last few years, and I'm certainly not saying I believe, I don't believe in anything until there's proof.
00:37:24.000I just can't be bothered with the arguments.
00:37:26.000But certainly the last few years have shown me that things that start off as conspiracy theories end up being verified.
00:37:32.000And I pray to God that this is not something that gets further verification.
00:37:38.000Tim, I want to say, mate, that obviously you've gone into areas that most people aren't willing to Confront.
00:37:46.000Most everybody of course is opposed to exploitation and violence or right-minded sane and awakened people of course.
00:37:53.000But most of us haven't experienced the jagged end of this type of cruelty.
00:38:00.000It seems that Jim It's been difficult for Jim just sort of playing you and going through the process of promoting this film.
00:38:09.000What kind of burden and scars are you carrying or do you feel enriched and empowered by the success of the work more than you feel traumatized by the dark side of it?
00:38:47.000He ad-libbed my favorite line into the movie.
00:38:50.000He didn't know that was my line for life, my line for my operations.
00:38:53.000When I'm going into dark places, such that you see depicted in the film, there's a line from the scripture I read to myself over and over again.
00:39:01.000It's where Jesus stands on little children.
00:39:04.000It's the only time perhaps in the Bible where he truly gets violent, even mafioso violent, in his language because he says, I think we kind of pass by this too quickly sometimes when we read the Bible.
00:39:17.000He says that it's better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little children.
00:39:24.000I mean, that is, it's Jesus, so it's righteous, but it's also mafioso.
00:39:45.000I'm scared to death going into these undercover situations where my life's on the line.
00:39:49.000But I say to myself, Jesus is violently on my side.
00:39:54.000And that means I can have faith That I can be violently on his side, and we're gonna be okay.
00:40:00.000And so, in the movie, there's a scene, it's a real scene in a cafe where we arrest this pedophile in the film, his name is Oshensky, and Jim leans over and ad-libs a line that's not in the script.
00:40:14.000And he didn't know this was my go-to line.
00:40:17.000He looks at the pedophile moments before he's about to be arrested, and he says to him, better than a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea, then you should hurt one of these little ones.
00:40:27.000And the actor, who did a phenomenal job, he didn't know what to do because, I mean, Jim's ad-libbing this line, and it seems out of context for a millisecond, and then two seconds later, you realize what Jim's doing.
00:40:39.000You realize what the actor, Jim, is doing, trying to depict me sending a message to this Sick, sick person before he goes down.
00:40:47.000And that is why Jim Caviezel had to play me.
00:40:51.000Because that's, to answer your question, that's how I heal.
00:40:57.000During the dark moments, I've already begun my process of healing because I bring Jesus and all that Jesus brings and redemptive power from the get-go.
00:41:09.000So both of you are able to endure these experiences and render them through your connection to a gangster Christ.
00:41:19.000Christ that's willing to take it to the dark places.
00:41:22.000This is not the Jesus peacefully with the lamb This is the Jesus with the moneylenders.
00:41:28.000This is the Jesus with the millstones.
00:41:31.000So, like, that's pretty serendipitous and synchronous, Jim, that you were able to come up with that line.
00:41:38.000It's pretty plain that your Christianity directs you as an actor and as a man.
00:41:44.000How did you bring that to bear on this part and, in particular, in that scene?
00:41:49.000Well, if you go back to the Passion of the Christ, Our makeup artists, Christian Tinsley and Keith Vanderlyn, they were showing, Mel Gibson was showing the Shroud of Turin and it had, when they showed it and put it up on a kind of light that could come through it, you could see all of the track lines in it.
00:42:20.000The Cat O' Nine Tails, the whips they used on him and immediately both of them believed that this was real.
00:42:31.000And then I said, why are you making such a big deal of it?
00:42:34.000And they said, well, look at his face.
00:42:38.000And then they pulled, I said, I don't understand.
00:42:42.000And they pulled this out and you see this picture, this This is how all of the bodies they use from people that have been decapitated, murdered, or anything, and the way that they, when a person dies, the face is frozen in that horrible look, and you see the face of Jesus on that, you see, does this look like a criminal?
00:43:06.000Now, when I was doing the, so I, the, The work that I was going to do on this, I had to go to those depths because when people watch it in the theater, they're having a personal experience with something internal inside of them.
00:43:27.000And there was no different than when I was with Tim and I had to go to the places.
00:43:32.000So I met with Tim originally and then he was busy.
00:43:36.000I went over to Utah and got to see his whole place where he works and his men and everything.
00:43:48.000And then I went to other agents that I've known for many years that I went through and started researching all of this stuff.
00:43:56.000And you couldn't look at this stuff without having some protection in your soul.
00:44:04.000But what drove me more than anything was my own children and possibly losing them.
00:44:14.000That made me, obviously, as you say, the Jesus that was going to be a bit of a thumper in this one.
00:44:22.000And so I was Um you know it's it's I I uh I even thinking about it right now um it just I think the children and seeing um that uh it
00:44:44.000It's different than an adult watching something that's older, but it relates to Jesus because he was the most innocent there ever was, and the children are the closest to that.
00:44:55.000So, plainly, Sound of Freedom has ruffled some feathers.
00:44:58.000It's caused some consternation and concern.
00:45:00.000Is that because of the economic model, or is that because of the subject?
00:47:57.000I think DeMaria had a really weird unveiling where it was like Back to the Future, but I think he almost came- you know when Mighty McFly comes out of that barn in a yellow suit and he scares that family that got a rifle and that?
00:48:09.000I think they recreated that exactly for the unveiling of Di Maria.
00:48:13.000I think they built a tiny barn, like when Zach Galifianakis interviewed Obama in the White House, and it looked like the normal between two phones set and then the walls fall off and you realise they're in the Oval Office.
00:48:37.000I suppose with David Beckham, it was somewhat organic, his ascendancy to superstar status, because he's sort of really good looking, and he married a pop star, and he was an excellent footballer.
00:48:49.000But do you remember how, after his little backheel on Diego Simeone in, was that 2002, that World Cup?
00:49:47.000What remains of the game that we are celebrating?
00:49:53.000It's interesting as well because I heard stories about the PSG fans that don't like Messi.
00:49:58.000They think he was disrespectful to them.
00:49:59.000I know he had that trip to was it Qatar or Saudi?
00:50:03.000I can't remember when he like was late for training or something like that.
00:50:06.000there they're not huge fans of him and they had a big unveiling when he went to
00:50:10.000PSG but it doesn't matter does it you can just essentially get bought by
00:50:14.000different franchise and celebrated in a different country and it can be even
00:50:18.000bigger and better than the one before it's unstoppable isn't it this force
00:50:23.000yeah there's the ongoing abstraction from the reality of it It wasn't, I suppose though, we have to remember, it ain't that long ago that Messi just had an unbelievable World Cup.
00:50:33.000Where like, his contributions were excellent.
00:50:36.000It wasn't like watching an athlete in decline experiencing a swan song.
00:50:42.000It was his exemplary excellence that Lionel Messi brought to that World Cup.
00:50:46.000So, and it was you that made the point that in spite of the Fears about the game becoming increasingly commodified and the furore around the World Cup being held in, in this instance, Qatar and human rights issues and all of that stuff.
00:51:07.000So maybe it can sustain this, but I suppose sometimes I feel like with the MLS, other than, and I don't mean to be disrespectful in particular to it, because I know that women's soccer and girls' soccer is really big.
00:51:17.000In your country, the United States, but and I know that there's a big Latin population and other, you know, sort of former European and African nation population that have the kind of care for football that we have.
00:51:30.000Yeah, it still feels grafted on even when I see you see the stadium and when I try to hold together the image of him being barely recognized in a supermarket and the image of these of the sort of the pink shirt and the peculiarly lit stadium.
00:52:32.000Well, when he left Arsenal to go to Villarreal, that is what it was.
00:52:35.000We'll have a look at that mad unveiling in a minute, but I just want to make sort of a weird political point.
00:52:40.000Like, when Cornel West talks about NATO and the contribution that NATO infringement on former Soviet territories made to this current war, whilst simultaneously acknowledging Russia's invasion, you're allowing into the political conversation a degree of complexity that ain't normally afforded it, and somehow I was going to connect that to a I can't remember how I was going to connect that, because the sort of image of Santi Corzola's unveiling at Villarreal is so mad.
00:53:13.000Like, if you listen to this as a podcast, a sort of tube that can only have come from the mind of Dr. Emmett Brown is on the screen at Villarreal Stadium, and let's have a look at the unveiling of Santi Corzola.
00:53:27.000There's a tube like filled with dry ice bearing the emblem of the club
00:53:32.000and a man who does look like a magician he's got a sort of magician's haircut I would say
00:53:36.000and a sort of pallid complexion of a man who spent a lot of time
00:53:40.000in an attic learning close-up magic and intermittently masturbating
00:53:44.000about to sort of practice the unveiling. Let's have a look.
00:53:48.000He's a great person and all of that adds up, right?
00:53:50.000And you could tell people were really looking forward to seeing him.
00:55:14.000He did have the son there, but I just knew he had a son, and I'm just building his character and just letting you know that I'm regarding him with some compassion.
00:55:21.000Anyway, he taught me the magic, the usual, three balls.
00:56:08.000The penny behind the ear and the three balls are very closely connected.
00:56:13.000Um, like, what it is, anyway, is that I don't like it.
00:56:15.000When I was at that restaurant in Primrose Hill the other day, with my friend Ang Harrod, and like, the guy comes over and goes, I can see you're having lunch, and I thought, well... Right, that's the end of the sentence.
00:56:28.000But nevertheless, I'm gonna bother you with this magic, and like, for Instagram pictures and stuff, and like, mate, to be honest, I'm having a bit of a chat, you know, and like, but then he come back later, I was like, what I said to him, Was my time honored, Lye?
00:56:44.000I'll come get you just before I'm leaving.
00:56:46.000Someone's to do that if it's someone who wants a photograph for a little kid or something like that.
00:56:50.000He'd come back for another bite of the cherry.
00:57:40.000But the shtick is pretending to rob someone.
00:57:44.000And he goes at someone, so if someone's holding, like, a laptop or an iPad, and he'll go to grab it off someone, and that person immediately goes, -"No, give me it back!"
00:57:53.000And then this fellow, like, lifts up his, uh, hoodie to reveal he's this magician, and then he does a dance, and then everyone goes, -"Oh!"
00:58:04.000I'd be the one person that'd get this whole, I don't know, montage of people reacting really well, and then me and you at the end, who were just curious the whole way through.
00:58:13.000I'll tell you what, I wouldn't take it.
00:58:15.000Like, I don't... Again, if you take off your hood, there's not that many people in the world that you could be that I'd... that would overcome you trying to take my laptop.
01:03:10.000Hull produced a lot of good defenders and indeed a lot of players on their journey to a proper football club will pass through Hull, won't they?
01:06:42.000I've always really, when I see West Ham when we've gone before, I'm always really jealous of that bit because I think that's so amazing that you can come out to that.
01:07:40.000Magic is an acceptable hobby and profession for people.
01:07:45.000All things that I've just sort of Like, foolishly clinging on to, resisting against the relentless tide of time.
01:07:52.000Like, the referee's garment is to separate them from ordinary society, in the same way as the robes of the judiciary.
01:08:02.000And in our country, the wig is like, well this guy, and then in the case of an execution, the black cap.
01:08:08.000Isn't that amazing that they put on a black cap?
01:08:11.000Like, isn't it weird that It shows you that in spite of our poise and pose of rationalism, we're still sort of deeply superstitious characters that know that we're dealing with mystery.
01:08:24.000When like if there was an execution in our country, you can only be executed for treason now.
01:08:28.000You have to have betrayed a majesty or a majesty's, sorry, his majesty's government.
01:08:34.000You would be executed and on top of that, so the judge got so many things on their head at that point.
01:08:38.000They've got their actual head, their actual hair, I mean that's just normal everyday life.
01:09:02.000So, Mike Dean, you can't expect that when he's not robed in the accoutrement of the referee, that he'll be anything other than a passionate Tranmere fan.
01:09:12.000Let's listen to and regard his passion for tranny.
01:09:19.000If you're listening to this, what I'll say is he did a lot of gestures
01:10:28.000And he said he stood there, with a bayonet and an erection, and stood on his boat, going... And sure enough, the pirates took him at his word, and did a U-turn, and about Farche, and left.
01:10:41.000They weren't ready for a man with a machete and an erection.
01:10:44.000Now we've just told a story that, let's face it, by any reckoning was unusual and strange and hopefully subject to some minor cuts.
01:10:51.000But now we have to decide whether to show an emotional deli alley interview where he admits to sadly being abused as a child.
01:10:59.000So I think we've got to rule that out.
01:11:01.000There's the Women's World Cup photo where they're wearing raincoats.
01:11:04.000For some reason I think that's wrong as well.
01:11:06.000Because raincoats, women's football, I don't know.
01:11:10.000Then the final one is three pros versus 100 kids.
01:11:13.000Now, while superficially that would also sound like a dangerous segue, it's the one I feel most comfortable going for.
01:12:18.000The pros are able to maintain possession.
01:12:21.000And the children are ineffectively running around.
01:12:28.000The pros are using the space brilliantly, making the ball do the work.
01:12:31.000The children, predictably, are running around after the ball, like children always do.
01:12:35.000It's like one of those clichés, but when I took my little girl to play football at that place where I go all the time, Game, in Reading, I went there twice, but it was in two days, so it was a really intense period of going there.
01:14:47.000Maybe Jesus could have finally got Newcastle to title they deserve, but now, you know, stealing Harvey Barnes from right under West Ham's noses, maybe Newcastle will win the... Who's going to win the league?
01:15:00.000See, always, forever, until we're all dead.
01:15:04.000Until Pep leaves and goes to manage England, apparently.
01:15:10.000What happens is, our way of coping with there being charismatic, sexy foreign managers is to go, they'll come and manage England one day and everything's going to be okay.
01:15:20.000Because Mourinho said he was going to do it.
01:15:22.000And like, who's England management now?
01:15:24.000That is the sort of appointment, because you do, with England managers, you always go different.
01:15:29.000Like, I don't know, some people do this with girlfriends.
01:15:31.000If you have a girlfriend that's of a particular flavour and hue, or boyfriend, I don't care what you do, because this is actually about football managers.
01:15:38.000You always go for a very different one next.
01:15:40.000If you're dating Gareth Southgate, what's the next natural step?
01:16:05.000Anyway, let's have a look at these little Japanese kids chasing adults around a football pitch and think about how far we've come as a species.
01:16:11.000I don't think he was off so- Oh, no, he's not offside because there's a hundred kids playing in the back line.
01:16:24.000No, no, I thought they were all at the halfway line, but no, there's another hundred children and then there's about 15
01:17:42.000So once I've come back from paternity leave, we'll come back with our predictions for the new season, who's going to win, what sign-ins are going to happen, and all sorts of stuff.
01:17:51.000Thank you very much for joining us for football.
01:17:54.000The world's complicated and all that, but football is nice, isn't it?
01:18:07.000We have got some fantastic content coming up for you.
01:18:09.000On the show tomorrow, we'll be speaking to Ron DeSantis, who has written this book, has governed the shit out of Florida, and now believes that he must and should be president.