Stay Free - Russel Brand - “TOO BIG TO MOVE!” New HIDDEN UFO Under Popular LANDMARK?! - #172 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:00:30.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

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00:00:48.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:50.000 Thanks for joining us with 4 Up.

00:00:51.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

00:00:53.000 And today we have an exceptional show for you, even beyond our usual high standards, because we are talking about...

00:00:59.000 Corruption!

00:01:01.000 Injustice!

00:01:02.000 Fauci?

00:01:03.000 Has there been a cover-up now?

00:01:04.000 That's off YouTube.

00:01:05.000 If you're watching this on YouTube, first 15 minutes we'll be here.

00:01:08.000 Then we'll slink off like phantoms into the free speech haven of rumble, where we can speak freely of love, unity and anti-establishment sentiment.

00:01:17.000 We go there for the speech of love, not for the language of hate.

00:01:21.000 Also, in our presentation, here's the news now, here's the effing news, we're talking about Sound of Freedom.

00:01:26.000 Is it the economic model behind this film, or its subject that's got the establishment, and in particular the mainstream media, all up in a twist about this issue?

00:01:37.000 But first, we're gonna be talking about...

00:01:40.000 Turns out, on-screen assistant Gareth Roy, that Hunter Biden got special treatment off the FBI.

00:01:40.000 Hunter Biden.

00:01:46.000 Now where's my special?

00:01:47.000 Alleged, Russell, alleged.

00:01:49.000 Hold on, I do apologise, I've got a button for that.

00:01:51.000 Allegedly!

00:01:52.000 Let's have a look at that story now.

00:01:53.000 So apparently it is confirmed that the FBI told the Hunter Biden investigator to duck committee questions.

00:01:58.000 A lawyer for the FBI told an agent who investigated Hunter Biden to avoid answering questions from the House Oversight Committee.

00:02:05.000 The committee is probing whether the officers looking into Biden's tax affairs and drug use on a gun permit gave the 53-year-old preferential treatment.

00:02:14.000 FBI counsel Jason Jones, you've been gone too long, sent a letter Sunday to the agent whose name has been redacted just hours before they were set to testify before the committee, telling them to dodge questions about ongoing investigative activity.

00:02:27.000 I suppose what that reveals is they have access to the kind of legal advice that many of us would like when confronted by allegations of this nature.

00:02:36.000 Well, he's also got the FBI on his side, allegedly.

00:02:38.000 Gotta be useful to have.

00:02:40.000 Allegedly.

00:02:41.000 The FBI on the team at a time like that.

00:02:44.000 I mean this is what has been alleged by the IRS whistleblowers wasn't it that essentially Hunter Biden in these charges basically getting off looking looking like without prison time um and only certain things investigated i.e his tax dealings and the gun charge means that essentially very little is going to come of it and when you have all the stuff that we know with the FBI and the CIA with relation to Hunter and his father, it does feel to a lot of people like he's

00:03:12.000 got preferential treatment.

00:03:13.000 And what about the revelations that Joe Biden is a ranted madman who uses S words, F words,

00:03:19.000 and even C words with undue proclivity? He can't stop swearing at his staff.

00:03:25.000 They're terrified of him, it's recently been alleged.

00:03:27.000 Later in the week, we've got the man who wrote this book, whose name I'm not willing to tell you, coming up on this show, as soon as tomorrow.

00:03:35.000 Can you believe it?

00:03:36.000 DeSantis here.

00:03:37.000 Has DeSantis missed his moment, or is his moment yet to come?

00:03:41.000 Is the Floridian wonderland collapsing, or is Florida the pilot for a brand new America?

00:03:49.000 What I suppose I have to query, ...is whether or not people are still interested in conventional politics at all, with 45% of Democrat voters open to third-party candidature.

00:04:00.000 This, I suppose, is because of the rise of populist figures like RFK, Donald Trump.

00:04:05.000 DeSantis, he's more of a within-the-establishment conventional political figure, isn't he?

00:04:10.000 Cornel West is one of those third-party candidates who claims openly that NATO is the instrument of US global power.

00:04:18.000 Now, why that's interesting is, of course, Cornel West He's not the kind of figure that can easily be smeared, because he's like a darling of the establishment, or at least he was until very recently.

00:04:29.000 Oh yeah.

00:04:30.000 I wonder what's going to happen to him now.

00:04:31.000 Let's have a look at this viral clip where Cornel West says that NATO provoked Russia's invasion of Ukraine, which of course is the kind of thing that we say pretty regular here on Stay Free with Russell Brand, but let us know in the comments what you think about this.

00:04:42.000 That's how empires behave, Sister Caitlin.

00:04:45.000 If Russia had missiles in Mexico and Canada, the United States government would probably blow them to smithereens because that's how empires behave.

00:04:52.000 We had the same challenge in Cuba in 1962.

00:04:54.000 So what do we end up with?

00:04:57.000 A criminal invasion.

00:04:58.000 And I know some of my left-wing comrades who know it's an invasion.

00:05:02.000 Criminal invasion, but a criminal invasion provoked by the expansion of NATO, which is an instrument of U.S.

00:05:10.000 global power.

00:05:11.000 And we have to be able to conceive of a world where when we look at China, when we look at Russia, when we look at Ethiopia, when we look at Haiti, when we look at Brazil, we got to see precious human beings rather than these competitive nation states that are trying to devour more profits, more land, and more territory.

00:05:33.000 Can we Can we conceive of such a world?

00:05:36.000 Can we pursue such a world?

00:05:38.000 I think we have to.

00:05:39.000 the destruction of the species, the destruction of the planet.

00:05:39.000 What's at stake?

00:05:43.000 When people start talking about humanitarian issues in an open-minded and almost,

00:05:47.000 let me know in the comments if you agree with this, in a conventional liberal way,

00:05:51.000 it shows us again that the reason third party candidates or renegade candidates or populist

00:05:57.000 candidates are gaining traction is because the mainstream elite establishment has lost

00:06:02.000 its ability to connect with ordinary people. How can they maintain that connection when you have

00:06:07.000 a figure like Joe Biden who's apparently ranting profanely and hysterically at his staff,

00:06:13.000 who is mired in allegations of corruption, who is unable to represent the type of

00:06:19.000 moral position that swept him into power?

00:06:22.000 This is surely the kind of conversation that America needs to have right now, Gareth.

00:06:26.000 Yeah, and obviously, you know, for certainly the media establishment, I mean, Cornel West

00:06:30.000 coming on, as you say, traditionally come from the kind of left and talking about war

00:06:36.000 in the way that the Democrat Party are not talking about war.

00:06:38.000 They're not talking about NATO.

00:06:39.000 You know, we've covered this week already, NATO expanding into Asia.

00:06:44.000 You know, the way that that is, we're kind of talking about a global domination with

00:06:47.000 the kind of plans that NATO have to have someone from the traditional left now joining in with,

00:06:52.000 say, RFK on his position on NATO and this war.

00:06:57.000 And it's incredibly inconvenient.

00:06:59.000 But as exactly as you say, it just shows the more of these figures that come through and

00:07:03.000 literally this polling shows public has been more open to a third party or independent

00:07:07.000 year since in the Trump era.

00:07:11.000 So basically, you're right.

00:07:12.000 Trump has fostered some feeling amongst the public where people are starting to think

00:07:17.000 45 percent of them that a third party candidate is possible.

00:07:21.000 The initial condemnation of Trump was all built on supposed condemnation of his moral character.

00:07:27.000 He said these unacceptable things.

00:07:29.000 He holds these horrific views.

00:07:31.000 He is far right. 0.99

00:07:32.000 He is a white supremacist. 0.95

00:07:34.000 Now we have, elsewhere from within the political spectrum, RFK.

00:07:39.000 He has to be censored for these reasons.

00:07:41.000 Oh, he's a crackpot.

00:07:42.000 He's an anti-vaxxer. 1.00

00:07:44.000 He's a nutjob. 0.98

00:07:45.000 Now we've got Cornel West. 0.98

00:07:46.000 What are we going to censor him for?

00:07:49.000 How many more figures that are diverse and with varying views have to emerge before what becomes clear and observable is the establishment is trying to hold on to power within the judiciary, within the media, in every aspect of American political and financial life they are clamouring to not yield their power.

00:08:10.000 It's becoming obvious now The technology and communications miracle that means that there's the emergence of independent channels like this one, new voices like yours are able to be heard, means that they have to find new and novel ways to delegitimize opposition.

00:08:27.000 If it's Trump, it'll be for the reasons that are applicable to Trump.

00:08:31.000 If it's for RFK, they'll come up with some reasons there.

00:08:33.000 If it's Cornel West, they'll come up with reasons.

00:08:36.000 What I'm starting to think is that We are approaching the point where you could move beyond the bipartisan model.

00:08:43.000 Not only that, you could move beyond centralisation more generally.

00:08:46.000 Isn't it becoming clear to you, and let me know in the comments if this is true, that what you need in a nation like America is more federalisation, more democracy, more decentralisation.

00:08:57.000 And this is something we can talk to Ron DeSantis about later this week.

00:09:00.000 If the people of Florida have a very particular perspective, a will that they're able to demonstrate through the electoral process, then Floridians can run Florida how they want to.

00:09:12.000 Same with California.

00:09:14.000 Why not break it down more than that?

00:09:15.000 The smallest possible communities, the smallest legitimate Because increasingly it's becoming evident to me that the process of centralisation affords the capacity to have elites.

00:09:29.000 The more you decentralise, the more difficult it is to have globalist entities that dominate the world.

00:09:35.000 The more difficult it is to have state entities that can govern wildly.

00:09:39.000 Look at the direction that, say for example, the WHO are trying to take it in.

00:09:43.000 They're trying to take it in a direction that they can govern from the top down.

00:09:47.000 That all of us will contribute to WHO coffers while they pass edicts and laws.

00:09:52.000 This is what the treaty they're advocating for right now suggests.

00:09:56.000 A pandemic response for all of its member nations.

00:09:59.000 That basically means all the nations of the world.

00:10:02.000 The WHO has been hollowed out by its funding model.

00:10:05.000 It's been publicly admitted by members of their own board that they have to respond to the needs of their funders.

00:10:10.000 Let me know in the comments if you know who the biggest private funder of the WHO is.

00:10:15.000 Of course you're going to get third-party candidates emerging.

00:10:18.000 Of course you're going to hear more advocacy for true independence, because it's becoming apparent that NATO isn't a peacekeeping alliance, that it's essentially a militaristic arm, as Cornel West says, of US expansionist interests.

00:10:33.000 Yeah, that demands 2% of GDP at a minimum.

00:10:36.000 So again... Is that the economic rum?

00:10:38.000 I didn't even know that.

00:10:38.000 Did you know that?

00:10:39.000 That's exactly what's happening.

00:10:40.000 And that is a commitment to spend on weapons.

00:10:44.000 And so I think, again, when you get someone like Tucker Carlson, now a kind of independent voice, free from the mainstream media, Challenging people like Mike Pence and you get more rounds of applause for Tucker Carlson than presidential candidates for the Republican Party that go back 10, 15, 20 years.

00:11:01.000 You would never have had that.

00:11:02.000 Once those kind of candidates are there, they're treated with, you know, respect and this, that and the other and unchallenged. 0.99

00:11:08.000 Tucker's going there and he's making them look like fools. 0.80

00:11:11.000 Could you see that there's more and more demand for categories like misinformation and disinformation? 0.96

00:11:18.000 I read an article recently saying that there should be a system of hierarchies in media, like, oh, the New York Times, that's proper legit media.

00:11:27.000 Oh, Rolling Stone even, CNN, these are verified media.

00:11:32.000 But it seems to me that the opposite That is what's required.

00:11:35.000 That what's naturally occurring, the erosion of trust in these institutions, the breakdown of trust in legacy media organisations like the New York Times, is just desserts for the way they've behaved.

00:11:47.000 Of course the New York Times also reports true information, let me know in the comments if you agree with that.

00:11:51.000 But, significantly, on issues that matter, they parrot the talking points and the views of the elite establishment.

00:11:58.000 And now, because of the way the media is fragmenting, because of your voice, it's possible to counter those arguments.

00:12:04.000 Yeah, we wouldn't even have questioned Mike Pence going on Tucker and saying, Of course I'm going to do exactly what Joe Biden's going to do.

00:12:10.000 You've known that for years, haven't you?

00:12:11.000 It doesn't matter if you vote for red or blue, you're going to vote ultimately for the military-industrial complex.

00:12:16.000 Now you can have a figure like Tucker who's more popular than any Republican candidate, bar perhaps Trump.

00:12:21.000 Let me know in the comments, would Tucker, if Tucker was to stand, would he trounce the opposition in the Republican party or even the Democrat party?

00:12:28.000 Does it even matter anymore?

00:12:29.000 Do those categories even matter anymore?

00:12:32.000 What we have now is true populism and the true ability to convey complex and opposing points.

00:12:38.000 But you've also got independent figures from both sides.

00:12:42.000 Or maybe there aren't sides anymore, as we keep on talking about.

00:12:44.000 Maybe it's the anti-establishment and the establishment now.

00:12:48.000 Because you've essentially got Cornel West and Tucker Carlson saying the same thing.

00:12:52.000 You've got Tucker Carlson challenging Mike Pence to say, America is falling apart, it's infrastructure is falling apart, has been for years, and we're committing 150 billion to this proxy war, essentially.

00:13:04.000 When Tucker Carlson and Cornel West are saying the same thing, when Noam Chomsky and Donald Trump are saying the same thing, isn't that an indication that the model is collapsing?

00:13:15.000 Let us know in the comments, let us know in the chat if you agree with that.

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00:13:32.000 I've got so many exciting things to tell you about.

00:13:34.000 But now, another exciting topic before we shift to being exclusively on Rumble.

00:13:39.000 Exciting thing.

00:13:40.000 Sure, we got that.

00:13:41.000 You hold on to it.

00:13:42.000 Sure, sure.

00:13:42.000 You just imagine what you're going to say while I'm saying this.

00:13:44.000 Work it out.

00:13:44.000 I'll keep it in my mind.

00:13:45.000 See if you can edit it down to a few less words for Christ's sake.

00:13:48.000 Because we're going to move on to the subject of UFOs, and then once we're exclusively on Rumble, we're going to talk about Falchi's gain-of-function cover-up.

00:13:54.000 Now we're going to talk about UFOs, although Gareth seems to want to make yet another point on this independent media thing.

00:13:59.000 It was just one point about RFK, because the interesting thing with this is that, obviously, if he loses the, you know, democrat position, he doesn't get to stand as candidate, and he stands as an independent, which has been done before, When you're looking at 45% of voters are open to that, then it's like, it's not game over.

00:14:15.000 And obviously everyone's like, if he doesn't get the Canada sea then it's game over, but maybe it's not.

00:14:19.000 When we continually talk to folks like Marianne Williamson or these more renegade and peripheral characters,

00:14:26.000 they seem to yet still believe it's necessary to rise up through the ranks of one of the established parties.

00:14:33.000 But it does seem now that you could have an alliance between peripheral figures from both parties and independent parties that would garner more support than either of the mainstream parties that ultimately are funded in the same way.

00:14:45.000 You know that already.

00:14:46.000 Let's have a look at the results for our poll.

00:14:48.000 Would you be willing to vote for an independent party candidate?

00:14:51.000 Perhaps one of the catalysts of our ever-evolving times are these stories around extraterrestrial life, UFOs and UAPs.

00:14:59.000 One of the most significant and certainly one of the most amusing voices, post his Dave Grush interview, is Ross Colthart, friend of the show, a man who always manages to make the subject of UFOs seem incredibly sexy.

00:15:12.000 We're going to come off of YouTube right now, as a matter of fact, and right after this we're going to talk about Fauci's gain-of-function cover-up.

00:15:21.000 So if you're if you're watching this on YouTube, click the link in the description.

00:15:25.000 Join us over in the home.

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00:15:28.000 OK, let's have a look at this story.

00:15:30.000 People are going to question what I'm about to say.

00:15:32.000 Have you noticed about Ross Coulthard that whatever he's talking about, it sounds like he's talking about sex. 0.99

00:15:40.000 What if some of that shit is so big? 1.00

00:15:45.000 How big is it, this shit? 1.00

00:15:48.000 It can't be moved. 1.00

00:15:49.000 Are you talking about what I think you're talking about, Ross?

00:15:52.000 Are you talking about your spaceship down under?

00:15:58.000 Is that what you're saying, Ross?

00:15:59.000 Is that what you've been told?

00:16:00.000 That's exact- You sound like sort of basically only fans.

00:16:03.000 Isn't this like the sexiest UFO chat you've ever listened to?

00:16:06.000 Is that what you're saying, Ross? 0.99

00:16:07.000 Yes, I'm saying there's some shit that's so big you have to store it under a building. 0.99

00:16:07.000 Is that what you've been told? 0.99

00:16:13.000 If you look at my phallus, it's underneath the Sydney Opera House right now. 1.00

00:16:18.000 I burrowed down there with the tip of my penis, which I will admit is corkscrew-shaped. 0.99

00:16:24.000 I burrowed right down- Why that detail, though? 0.99

00:16:29.000 Because I thought, how else are you going to penetrate the soil?

00:16:31.000 You can't bury... If you've got, like, a domed edge... I see.

00:16:35.000 ...you can't burrow down.

00:16:36.000 Very difficult.

00:16:37.000 You'd need a corkscrew.

00:16:38.000 Right.

00:16:38.000 And you imagine he's got that, do you?

00:16:40.000 Almost certainly. 1.00

00:16:41.000 Or you could have a prehensile penis like a pig's one. 1.00

00:16:44.000 Oh, yes. 1.00

00:16:45.000 Like, which, as you know, Gareth, as you know, you don't need me to tell you that a pig's penis can independently move like that, like an octopus's. 0.99

00:16:51.000 So what's the real revelations this week? 0.99

00:16:54.000 I think the real revelation is that Ross Coulthart's got a prehensile penis with a corkscrew tip. 1.00

00:16:59.000 It wouldn't say. 1.00

00:17:01.000 How big is big?

00:17:04.000 Big.

00:17:05.000 What's this all about?

00:17:06.000 I can't even imagine that they're talking about anything other than sex.

00:17:09.000 So big, they built a building over it. 1.00

00:17:12.000 You dirty bastard, Ross. 1.00

00:17:15.000 In a country outside of the United States of America. 1.00

00:17:20.000 Look how excited he is.

00:17:21.000 He's so turned on that a building's been built over this, isn't he?

00:17:23.000 Okay, Ross, you saucy sausage. 0.78

00:17:25.000 Congressman Tim Burchett has revealed that UFO technology can turn us into charcoal briquettes.

00:17:32.000 This is an extraordinary claim, really.

00:17:34.000 Why that?

00:17:34.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.000 Exactly.

00:17:35.000 Sure they can do loads of stuff, then.

00:17:37.000 But I think if you've got that kind of technology, the last thing you want to worry about is barbecues.

00:17:42.000 Like whether or not you've got adequate fuel for the holiday season.

00:17:46.000 I always wonder with this chat when it's like, oh they've got such advanced weaponry, it's like, alright, come on then, how much do you want for the weapons?

00:17:54.000 I always feel like that's essentially where this is going.

00:17:56.000 Yeah, that they're going to just, they're essentially trying to market this tech for weapons.

00:18:01.000 We've learned that there's life from outer space, and that it's dangerous, and we could sell its technology to kill people on this planet.

00:18:09.000 Oh, brilliant.

00:18:09.000 What a great revelation.

00:18:10.000 Hey, should we talk for a while about Fauci's gain-of-function cover-up?

00:18:15.000 I think we should, because we've promised people that we're going to.

00:18:17.000 What is it?

00:18:18.000 What has he done now?

00:18:20.000 Just when I think I know everything I need to know about Fauci, it comes out of another outrageous piece of skullduggery.

00:18:27.000 A newly unredacted email from Anthony Fauci suggesting the Covid-19 pandemic may have been grounded in gain-of-function research essentially reveals his public statements from then on were an aggressive attempt to hide the truth, former CDC director Robert Redfield said on Monday.

00:18:40.000 Now I don't want you to get confused here.

00:18:42.000 It's not the Robert Redfield that you... It's not Robert... Sundance Film Festival.

00:18:46.000 No.

00:18:47.000 Yeah, I know.

00:18:48.000 I know exactly what you mean.

00:18:49.000 Blonde, dishy, gorgeous.

00:18:52.000 The letter in question has been nearly completely redacted save for the first line.

00:18:56.000 Fauci wrote to folks that the viral sequence found in the coronavirus strain contained mutations in the virus that would have been most unusual to have evolved naturally in bats, adding there had been suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted.

00:19:12.000 Yeah.

00:19:13.000 So basically he wrote this very early on so this is before the proximal origin paper that we know about which was essentially to go with no this you know came from the wet market despite the many voices at the time scientific voices that were saying we're not sure we think it's going to come from a lab and Fauci in an email here that's now been revealed saying that there's a suspicion that this mutation was intentionally inserted i must have been in a lab so again it's not something that we kind of didn't know already but The more and more that these emails are uncovered, and the more and more voices that are added to, we were saying this at the time, or this was redacted, or we weren't allowed to say this, just confirms what we've been thinking for a while, that this was a lab leak.

00:19:55.000 They knew all along, RFK says if he becomes president he's going to prosecute Fauci, release Assange, it's a complete reversal of the order.

00:20:04.000 When people say stuff like the New York Times by and large is a reliable news source, or CNN is a reliable news source, how can they not take into account this story, perhaps the most significant and defining story of our age?

00:20:18.000 A global pandemic, the first one since Spanish flu in 1918 or ever, which appears to have been handled in an extraordinary way.

00:20:29.000 And most of the time when you untangle some of the anomalies, hypocrisies and contradictions, it appears to point towards corruption.

00:20:39.000 Oh yeah.

00:20:40.000 Every single time.

00:20:41.000 Yeah, because essentially what we're looking at now is that this was funded.

00:20:44.000 By China and the US government.

00:20:46.000 And then it was covered up.

00:20:47.000 It was a massive cover-up.

00:20:48.000 And then all the things that followed that, all the measures that were taken, all the people that lost their jobs, all the people that were deemed to be conspiracy theorists or should be shamed, all of those things followed these decisions.

00:21:00.000 Some of the people that were sort of condemned most for being conspiracy theorists were much closer to the truth than just ordinary everyday news.

00:21:09.000 Isn't that extraordinary?

00:21:10.000 Is the world changing?

00:21:11.000 Do you think it is?

00:21:12.000 With these revelations around UFOs, with the emergence that many Americans, nearly half, ...of Americans would be willing to vote for a third-party candidate, the revelation that the whole pandemic narrative is starting to unravel, and also new emergent models for making entertainment, whether it's us independently bringing you news from a variety of perspectives, not to advocate for hatred but indeed the opposite, to advocate for love, or the new movie Sound of Freedom, a movie that's been funded in a novel way

00:21:44.000 promoted outside of the mainstream and is breaking box office records.

00:21:49.000 Let's have a look at Sound of Freedom.

00:21:51.000 Why is it that the mainstream media hate it?

00:21:53.000 Is it because it's a threat to their monopoly?

00:21:56.000 Or is it because the subject matter is a subject they simply don't want to discuss?

00:21:59.000 Here's the news.

00:22:00.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:22:02.000 Thanks for watching the Fox News News video. 0.99

00:22:05.000 No, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:22:08.000 Sound of Freedom is smashing it at the box office and is being attacked continually by the mainstream. 0.99

00:22:15.000 Is that because it's a box office success?

00:22:17.000 Is it because of QAnon conspiracy theories?

00:22:20.000 Is it because it's a new emergent business model?

00:22:23.000 Or does the establishment have something more serious to hide?

00:22:28.000 Hello there you 6.5 million awakening wonders.

00:22:31.000 Thanks for joining me on this voyage to truth and freedom.

00:22:34.000 A voyage we can undertake together in glory and success.

00:22:38.000 New stories are being told, new economic models are emerging, new challenges to the monopoly of entertainment and culture.

00:22:46.000 Whether you agree with their position or presumed position or not, you have to acknowledge this is a significant, maybe even seismic shift in the way that entertainment is made, funded, promoted and the way it reaches its audience.

00:23:00.000 How has Sound of Freedom become such a success?

00:23:03.000 Let me know why you went to see it.

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00:23:09.000 Let me know in the comments below and turn on the notification bell and subscribe.

00:23:14.000 We met with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard and I'll show you an exclusive part of that conversation later.

00:23:19.000 But first, let's try and understand the success of this film and have a little look at it together.

00:23:23.000 How'd that make you feel?

00:23:32.000 Giving a child his freedom?

00:23:36.000 Felt good.

00:23:40.000 Twelve years.

00:23:41.000 Why are you doing it?

00:23:52.000 Because God's children are not for sale.

00:23:56.000 It appears that there's a cultural thirst for a film that presents an issue that you might imagine all people would agree on is worthy of attention.

00:24:06.000 The trafficking of children appears to be more pervasive than people have previously thought and are willing to discuss.

00:24:14.000 And it seems that American audiences in particular, and let me know how you feel in the comments, have a real appetite to see this story told.

00:24:22.000 A story that is righteous, clearly connected to Christian values.

00:24:26.000 Angel Studios also of course made The Chosen, which is a retelling of gospel stories.

00:24:30.000 And as a side note, stars my friend Jonathan as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but was also my body double when I used to be in HBO's show with The Rock, Ballers.

00:24:39.000 So I am able to say that Jesus was my body double.

00:24:43.000 This job tears you to pieces.

00:24:47.000 It's impossible to talk about Sound of Freedom without acknowledging that part of the mainstream avenue of attack is around the QAnon connection.

00:24:56.000 Now what is this QAnon connection?

00:24:58.000 It seems that just people that like QAnon also like this film.

00:25:03.000 Is this film inherently right-wing?

00:25:06.000 Is there something particularly or especially conservative about it?

00:25:09.000 In some ways, couldn't you say it's about rescuing Latino children and breaking down exploitation and sex trafficking is plainly bad?

00:25:18.000 I'm very surprised now by the nature of the culture wars.

00:25:21.000 Sometimes I find it difficult to track what What side things are supposed to be on.

00:25:26.000 That's actually why I refuse to participate in those categories and boundaries anymore.

00:25:31.000 I do believe in freedom.

00:25:33.000 I do believe in new economic models and ways of making content and entertainment.

00:25:38.000 Obviously we participate in it.

00:25:39.000 And I can't help but feel that many of the attacks levelled at this movie are because this has bypassed the ordinary systems of promotion and production.

00:25:48.000 This is not made by one of the big studios, this has not been promoted in the normal way, and it's still found a massive audience.

00:25:56.000 I feel that the media in general are very threatened, obviously, by new independent media models, because what they have is a kind of collective monopoly.

00:26:04.000 I know collective monopoly sounds somewhat Paradoxical.

00:26:08.000 But what I mean is there's a sort of an easy tension between the media superpowers that make television and movies and if you start to find ways where you can make content and say look we don't care if this is a popular subject or if you presume it has affiliations with particular political persuasions which By the way, are allowed.

00:26:27.000 People are allowed to be conservative.

00:26:29.000 People are allowed to be Republican.

00:26:31.000 People are allowed to be right-wing.

00:26:33.000 Just the same way as people are allowed to be Democrat.

00:26:34.000 People are allowed to be liberal.

00:26:36.000 People are allowed to be progressive.

00:26:38.000 These things shouldn't be oppositional because if they are...

00:26:42.000 That is tyranny.

00:26:43.000 And liberalism means freedom, and libertarianism means freedom.

00:26:47.000 So what's the argument that everyone's having?

00:26:49.000 My assumption is, is that the mainstream media, as with our kind of content, doesn't like the emergence of this type of model.

00:26:56.000 The same way that the mainstream attacked Joe Rogan during coronavirus because of his outspoken stance on health, alternative medicines, and his willingness to have a variety of conversations on the subject of coronavirus and the handling of the pandemic.

00:27:11.000 They obviously opposed the content, but they oppose even the concepts of Joe Rogan.

00:27:17.000 They don't want there to be a Joe Rogan.

00:27:19.000 Joe Rogan is a real thorn in the side.

00:27:21.000 Beyond that now though, he's overtaken them, hasn't he, plainly?

00:27:23.000 This is comparable, I think.

00:27:25.000 There's something about the content they don't like.

00:27:27.000 There's something about it that they don't like.

00:27:29.000 And it's difficult to reflect on what that might be.

00:27:32.000 And I hope it isn't what some of you will doubtlessly be saying in the comments.

00:27:35.000 I really hope that the reason this film is receiving all of these criticisms and attacks is not because there's institutionalised sex trafficking to a degree where people don't want it spoken about.

00:27:44.000 That's a terrifying concept to me.

00:27:46.000 What is easier to understand is they are threatened by the economic model itself and don't want people to go, hey, listen, you know, if you want to do remakes of old films, and hey, I've been in a remake of an old film, you know, if you want to do that stuff and it has an audience, you make it.

00:28:00.000 But if we want to make stuff that's about Christianity or Islam or whatever, like, you know, whether it's a religious or cultural idea, I don't see what it is about this film that's an attack on anybody's values.

00:28:11.000 I don't understand that at all.

00:28:12.000 It seems like it's somewhat anti-deep state because it's a rogue and renegade figure that breaks away from bureaucracy in order to do what he believes was necessary to be done.

00:28:20.000 The fact is it's based on the truth, like any movie that's based on the truth.

00:28:23.000 There's extemporization, there's the collapsing of characters, there's the simplification and amplification of certain events and details.

00:28:30.000 That's standard in any narrativization of true events.

00:28:34.000 But what I don't actually understand is Why they are choosing to conflate it so strongly with things that are plainly nefarious.

00:28:44.000 I don't even know quite where the cartilage is between, we've rescued these children that were being sex trafficked and QAnon. 0.98

00:28:51.000 I don't get that.

00:28:53.000 In a way, perhaps part of the reason this film has become such a phenomena is it provides us the opportunity to talk about the nature of conspiracy theory and censored information.

00:29:01.000 Conspiracy theories, over the last few years, have gained a lot of momentum.

00:29:05.000 Some of these conspiracy theories might be extreme and some of them seem quite plausible.

00:29:10.000 In particular, when you talk about QAnon, people start talking about Pizzagate or that furniture shop where people said it was a front for trafficking.

00:29:17.000 And those might be some of the more outlandish aspects I don't know.

00:29:21.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.

00:29:23.000 But in our country, the UK, there was recently an investigation into Westminster, the seat of our parliamentary power, that's the same as saying Capitol Hill in your language, and presumed nefarious activity, the worst kind of nefarious activity that you can imagine.

00:29:34.000 You're spot on.

00:29:35.000 In fact, the subject of this film covers exactly that activity.

00:29:38.000 And mysteriously, about three prime ministers ago, which could have been an hour ago in our country, we'd churn through them, like, they lost There's gonna be an inquiry into some pretty serious stuff.

00:29:50.000 There's some accusations being made about things going on in Westminster.

00:29:53.000 Right, we're doing an inquiry.

00:29:54.000 Right, there's the evidence.

00:29:55.000 Oh, no, we've lost it.

00:29:57.000 We'll have to stop the inquiry.

00:29:58.000 That doesn't make you feel more comfortable that there is no such thing as conspiracy theories, does it?

00:30:03.000 The fact that you still can't talk about the assassination of JFK, or at least you can't talk about it, you can't get access to the information, that there are aspects of the pandemic that are still heavily redacted and controlled.

00:30:13.000 Conspiracy emerges out of clandestine spaces when there is no trust in authority.

00:30:18.000 And the reason there's no trust in authority is because we live in a surveillance state with increasing censorship.

00:30:23.000 Information is being controlled with the creation of new categories.

00:30:26.000 And when something like this emerges that's entrepreneurial and perhaps Christian, which is one way of looking at reality. 0.99

00:30:33.000 I know a lot of you guys are Christian and I love Jesus Christ.

00:30:36.000 People attack it saying, oh, it's to do with QAnon.

00:30:39.000 Well, I don't know, man.

00:30:40.000 It seems like that's a little bit of a stretch.

00:30:42.000 It seems, too, that the whole area of conspiracy theory, when we're now investigating the truth of UFOs publicly, is something that we might have to reprise.

00:30:51.000 We might have to reappraise our attitude towards.

00:30:53.000 Because it increasingly seems that stuff that's regarded as conspiracy theory often has at least some truth to it, and sometimes is just completely true.

00:31:04.000 And this is my woman.

00:31:05.000 She has to put those pieces back together.

00:31:08.000 Even though the subject is pretty heavy and dark, kind of like other Hollywood films, isn't it?

00:31:12.000 I mean, it's like Taken, like the idea of a lone guy who's opposing the forces of corruption and going against the system.

00:31:19.000 I mean, that's a really recognisable Hollywood trope.

00:31:22.000 So why in particular has this garnered so much negative attention?

00:31:25.000 Once again, I believe it's because it was promoted, ignoring the usual channels of promotion, i.e.

00:31:31.000 This is almost like the Robert F. Kennedy of movies, popularising itself without having to go through the traditional gatekeepers.

00:31:37.000 It's funded without the typical Hollywood backers, and it contains a subject that evidently holds some tension in particular circles.

00:31:45.000 It's a very extraordinary phenomena, this, and to see it conflated overtly with conspiracy theory is interesting.

00:31:52.000 Perhaps the people involved in this film are Christian.

00:31:54.000 Perhaps the people involved in this film have conservative values that are at odds with the presumed liberalism of many of the institutions within entertainment.

00:32:03.000 But that's not a problem, is it?

00:32:04.000 It's meant to be a free country.

00:32:06.000 People are meant to be out to be Republican or Democrat or Libertarian or Liberal or Progressive or Traditional.

00:32:11.000 What's the problem?

00:32:12.000 Unless the real problem is they simply don't want this subject being discussed.

00:32:16.000 Why don't you let me know in the comments whether you think it's the subject of this film that's the problem, or the economic model of the film that's the problem, or both.

00:32:23.000 Let's have a look at this in more detail.

00:32:25.000 Sound of Freedom, the crowdfunded film, moved up the box office ranking in its second weekend in theatres, a rarity for movies, and a sign of the strong support for the film.

00:32:34.000 Particularly from right-wing audiences, despite the scrutiny it has faced for its lead actors' ties to conspiracy theories.

00:32:39.000 We spoke to Jim Caviezel.

00:32:40.000 We'll show a bit of that in a minute.

00:32:42.000 Sound of Freedom took home the number two spot at the box office this weekend, earning $27 million from Friday to Sunday and over $85 million overall since it opened in theatres on July the 4th, according to Box Office Mojo.

00:32:52.000 That means there's going to be more films like this because it's an economic success and this is proof of concept that there is a market for this type of content.

00:32:59.000 So of course it's being attacked and smeared.

00:33:02.000 Here's part of the fantastic conversation I had with Jim Caviezel and Tim Ballard.

00:33:05.000 Let me know what you thought of it in the comments.

00:33:07.000 Can you tell me a little bit about the process of getting this film made?

00:33:11.000 Tim, tell us how you've come to be in this position and as well touch on stuff

00:33:16.000 and why you believe it's so important that people see Sound of Freedom.

00:33:22.000 So I spent 12 years as a special agent, undercover operator, and I would get deeper and deeper as the years went on, trying to find the root of the problem.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, great.

00:33:31.000 Eventually started getting overseas and started doing overseas operations.

00:33:36.000 And in 2012, 2013, I was working a case in Colombia, got further than I was supposed to get, and they said, come home.

00:33:43.000 And I said, I can't.

00:33:44.000 I've made myself the bait.

00:33:46.000 I've gone too deep.

00:33:48.000 And they said, well, then you have to quit your job if you want to continue the operation.

00:33:54.000 And I did.

00:33:55.000 It was a very difficult decision.

00:33:56.000 And we went ahead and my wife and I decided to quit.

00:34:01.000 And we finished the operation as, you know, private citizens, if you will.

00:34:06.000 And the operation was enormous.

00:34:09.000 It ended on October 11, 2014.

00:34:13.000 The biggest operation, the biggest rescue operation that I think I've ever heard of.

00:34:16.000 There was over 120 women and children rescued, 15 traffickers arrested.

00:34:20.000 And the mainstream media in the United States, back when they Everybody thought it was still good to say child trafficking is bad.

00:34:28.000 They reported.

00:34:30.000 It's the craziest thing.

00:34:31.000 It was all over the news.

00:34:32.000 Everyone was like, yay, we're helping kids.

00:34:35.000 And one of the producers, Eduardo Verastegui, Alejandro Monteverde, saw that clip with the mainstream media.

00:34:41.000 And that's how they found me, ironically, through the mainstream media and said, let's make a movie out of this.

00:34:46.000 Nine years later, The same mainstream media is acting like, well, I don't think it really happened.

00:34:53.000 It's the most bizarre twist of events, but that's how it got started.

00:34:58.000 And they came to me and said, who do you want to play you in the film?

00:35:02.000 And right out of the gate, I said, Jim Caviezel.

00:35:04.000 Hands down, Jim Caviezel.

00:35:05.000 And at first they said they love Jim as an actor, but they wanted someone that looks a little bit like me because they had written into the script kind of this transitional thing at the end where they show real footage.

00:35:18.000 And I said, I don't care.

00:35:20.000 Look, I'm not a big fan of what Hollywood produces. 0.91

00:35:24.000 I think that some of the stuff that's produced there is the reason we have a demand for child sex in the United States.

00:35:32.000 And I know Jim is in, but not of, Hollywood.

00:35:35.000 He loves Jesus.

00:35:36.000 I love Jesus.

00:35:37.000 And that's it.

00:35:38.000 And they said, OK, we'll move forward with Jim.

00:35:40.000 And they know they made the right decision.

00:35:42.000 I'm trying to think who else could have done it.

00:35:44.000 I mean, you gotta have Jim Caviezel.

00:35:46.000 When he flashes that smile, you're in all sorts of trouble.

00:35:50.000 I'm trying to think of what other casting direction you could have gone in there to tell you the truth, Tim.

00:35:55.000 Now, like, of course, yeah, I'm old enough to remember when child sex trafficking was universally condemned.

00:36:03.000 I'm also old enough to remember that when people used to speak about networks of child sex stuff, that it was sort of regarded as a

00:36:12.000 conspiracy theory. Then there were some high-profile stories in our country that

00:36:15.000 suggested that there was more truth to it than people had dared to imagine,

00:36:19.000 because it's such a horrific thing for most of us even to contemplate that.

00:36:23.000 Then of course in recent years we've had the Epstein story, which makes it

00:36:27.000 yet more palpable that there appears to be a connection between these most nefarious

00:36:31.000 and, let's say, sort of ghouling and ghoulish activities and the activities

00:36:36.000 of powerful people.

00:36:37.000 And now, having spoken to both of you for a few minutes, it becomes pretty plain why certain aspects of the media are not willing to promote this film.

00:36:49.000 One, I think, is because it is an economic model that's outside of their control.

00:36:53.000 It's a promo model that's outside of their control.

00:36:57.000 And it's plain that from just from your most recent answer, Tim, that you believe there's a connection between this type of activity and powerful institutions, shall we say.

00:37:10.000 So evidently there is, you know, now it makes more sense.

00:37:13.000 But what I'd read up to now is that they were saying it's connected to groups like QAnon and conspiracy theories.

00:37:19.000 But one of the things I've learned over the last few years, and I'm certainly not saying I believe, I don't believe in anything until there's proof.

00:37:24.000 I just can't be bothered with the arguments.

00:37:26.000 But certainly the last few years have shown me that things that start off as conspiracy theories end up being verified.

00:37:32.000 And I pray to God that this is not something that gets further verification.

00:37:38.000 Tim, I want to say, mate, that obviously you've gone into areas that most people aren't willing to Confront.

00:37:46.000 Most everybody of course is opposed to exploitation and violence or right-minded sane and awakened people of course.

00:37:53.000 But most of us haven't experienced the jagged end of this type of cruelty.

00:38:00.000 It seems that Jim It's been difficult for Jim just sort of playing you and going through the process of promoting this film.

00:38:09.000 What kind of burden and scars are you carrying or do you feel enriched and empowered by the success of the work more than you feel traumatized by the dark side of it?

00:38:22.000 It's a mixed bag.

00:38:23.000 It depends on the day. 0.88

00:38:24.000 I have a million holes in my brain. 0.94

00:38:27.000 You can't watch thousands of hours of small children being sexually assaulted without having some pretty serious damage. 0.97

00:38:36.000 Again, there's a reason I asked Jim to play me.

00:38:39.000 Because that spiritual side is the only place I have found healing.

00:38:44.000 You know, a really cool story.

00:38:46.000 Jim didn't know this.

00:38:47.000 He ad-libbed my favorite line into the movie.

00:38:50.000 He didn't know that was my line for life, my line for my operations.

00:38:53.000 When I'm going into dark places, such that you see depicted in the film, there's a line from the scripture I read to myself over and over again.

00:39:01.000 It's where Jesus stands on little children. 0.98

00:39:04.000 It's the only time perhaps in the Bible where he truly gets violent, even mafioso violent, in his language because he says, I think we kind of pass by this too quickly sometimes when we read the Bible.

00:39:17.000 He says that it's better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little children.

00:39:24.000 I mean, that is, it's Jesus, so it's righteous, but it's also mafioso.

00:39:28.000 It's like cement shoes kind of stuff.

00:39:29.000 Right?

00:39:30.000 Like, this is what the Mafia does to people when they cross them.

00:39:33.000 Well, this is what Jesus is going to do to you if you cross these little children. 0.99

00:39:37.000 That was important to me because I say to myself when I'm going into dark places, I'm scared.

00:39:41.000 Don't get me.

00:39:41.000 You're going to watch that movie and think I'm some brave guy.

00:39:43.000 I'm no braver than the next guy.

00:39:45.000 I'm scared to death going into these undercover situations where my life's on the line.

00:39:49.000 But I say to myself, Jesus is violently on my side.

00:39:54.000 And that means I can have faith That I can be violently on his side, and we're gonna be okay.

00:40:00.000 And so, in the movie, there's a scene, it's a real scene in a cafe where we arrest this pedophile in the film, his name is Oshensky, and Jim leans over and ad-libs a line that's not in the script.

00:40:14.000 And he didn't know this was my go-to line. 0.91

00:40:17.000 He looks at the pedophile moments before he's about to be arrested, and he says to him, better than a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea, then you should hurt one of these little ones.

00:40:27.000 And the actor, who did a phenomenal job, he didn't know what to do because, I mean, Jim's ad-libbing this line, and it seems out of context for a millisecond, and then two seconds later, you realize what Jim's doing. 0.98

00:40:39.000 You realize what the actor, Jim, is doing, trying to depict me sending a message to this Sick, sick person before he goes down.

00:40:47.000 And that is why Jim Caviezel had to play me.

00:40:51.000 Because that's, to answer your question, that's how I heal.

00:40:54.000 I only heal.

00:40:55.000 I heal during the operation.

00:40:57.000 During the dark moments, I've already begun my process of healing because I bring Jesus and all that Jesus brings and redemptive power from the get-go.

00:41:09.000 So both of you are able to endure these experiences and render them through your connection to a gangster Christ.

00:41:19.000 Christ that's willing to take it to the dark places.

00:41:22.000 This is not the Jesus peacefully with the lamb This is the Jesus with the moneylenders.

00:41:28.000 This is the Jesus with the millstones.

00:41:31.000 So, like, that's pretty serendipitous and synchronous, Jim, that you were able to come up with that line.

00:41:38.000 It's pretty plain that your Christianity directs you as an actor and as a man.

00:41:44.000 How did you bring that to bear on this part and, in particular, in that scene?

00:41:49.000 Well, if you go back to the Passion of the Christ, Our makeup artists, Christian Tinsley and Keith Vanderlyn, they were showing, Mel Gibson was showing the Shroud of Turin and it had, when they showed it and put it up on a kind of light that could come through it, you could see all of the track lines in it.

00:42:20.000 The Cat O' Nine Tails, the whips they used on him and immediately both of them believed that this was real.

00:42:31.000 And then I said, why are you making such a big deal of it?

00:42:34.000 And they said, well, look at his face.

00:42:36.000 There's such a piece to it.

00:42:38.000 And then they pulled, I said, I don't understand.

00:42:42.000 And they pulled this out and you see this picture, this This is how all of the bodies they use from people that have been decapitated, murdered, or anything, and the way that they, when a person dies, the face is frozen in that horrible look, and you see the face of Jesus on that, you see, does this look like a criminal?

00:43:06.000 Now, when I was doing the, so I, the, The work that I was going to do on this, I had to go to those depths because when people watch it in the theater, they're having a personal experience with something internal inside of them.

00:43:27.000 And there was no different than when I was with Tim and I had to go to the places.

00:43:32.000 So I met with Tim originally and then he was busy.

00:43:36.000 I went over to Utah and got to see his whole place where he works and his men and everything.

00:43:48.000 And then I went to other agents that I've known for many years that I went through and started researching all of this stuff.

00:43:56.000 And you couldn't look at this stuff without having some protection in your soul.

00:44:04.000 But what drove me more than anything was my own children and possibly losing them.

00:44:12.000 And so that weaponized me.

00:44:14.000 That made me, obviously, as you say, the Jesus that was going to be a bit of a thumper in this one.

00:44:22.000 And so I was Um you know it's it's I I uh I even thinking about it right now um it just I think the children and seeing um that uh it

00:44:44.000 It's different than an adult watching something that's older, but it relates to Jesus because he was the most innocent there ever was, and the children are the closest to that.

00:44:55.000 So, plainly, Sound of Freedom has ruffled some feathers.

00:44:58.000 It's caused some consternation and concern.

00:45:00.000 Is that because of the economic model, or is that because of the subject?

00:45:04.000 Maybe it's a little bit of both.

00:45:06.000 But that's just what I think.

00:45:07.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:45:08.000 See you in a second. 1.00

00:45:12.000 No, here's the fucking news! 0.99

00:45:15.000 The world is changing fast. 1.00

00:45:16.000 Child sex trafficking rings are regarded as a right-wing talking point.

00:45:21.000 Independent candidates are emerging that could challenge the establishment.

00:45:26.000 UFOs are landing everywhere, and the only thing that the establishment can think to do is to turn their technology into weaponry.

00:45:34.000 But football's not like that.

00:45:35.000 Football is nice.

00:45:37.000 Hello and thank you for joining me, Russell Brand, for Football is Nice.

00:45:48.000 Joining me is Gareth Roy.

00:45:50.000 Today we will be talking about global football issues and how football could be a vehicle to save the world if only we'd let it.

00:45:58.000 Surely you're aware that Lionel Messi has gone to David Beckham's Inter Miami.

00:46:04.000 He went shopping.

00:46:06.000 I don't even think it was that nice of a supermarket.

00:46:09.000 There he is shopping.

00:46:10.000 He's got Bought himself some unusual stuff.

00:46:12.000 He's got some quiches in there.

00:46:14.000 He's got some silk, sort of milk product.

00:46:18.000 He's got a family sized... Cereal?

00:46:20.000 Does Lionel Messi do his own shopping?

00:46:24.000 Because he's an elite athlete, he can't just eat carbs like that, can he?

00:46:28.000 Look at you, looking on that, all jealous.

00:46:31.000 You could eat that stuff. 0.99

00:46:32.000 I'd love that stuff, I'd love that big basket of crap Lionel Messi's getting. 0.99

00:46:37.000 And contrast it with the celebratory welcoming ceremony. 0.97

00:46:41.000 And let us know, do you think this is a PR picture or is this how Lionel Messi lives?

00:46:45.000 Let's have a look at the promo in Miami's extraordinary stadium.

00:46:50.000 I would like to introduce to you your number 10, Inter-Miami number 10, America's number 10,

00:47:02.000 the best number 10 in the world, Leorel Andres Messi.

00:47:06.000 On my part, one of the hardest workers.

00:47:11.000 Real firm believer in practice, make perfect.

00:47:14.000 We gather all the water, stay thirsty.

00:47:16.000 Took a lot to get us here, we broke curses. 0.98

00:47:18.000 Kill to be killed, a feel so no mercy.

00:47:20.000 Oh man, I don't know what to make of this. 1.00

00:47:24.000 You don't like the direction it's going in.

00:47:26.000 Because I remember, you know, if you look at Beckham, obviously Beckham was like the biggest, I don't know, global name in football.

00:47:34.000 The kind of, the association with, I guess, the corporatism of the game.

00:47:39.000 And now it's just go, could it have got even bigger than Beckham?

00:47:41.000 Oh yeah, quite easily.

00:47:42.000 Look at it now, and who's going to be next?

00:47:45.000 Do you remember, like, it used to be Real Madrid that did very fancy unveilings.

00:47:49.000 Yes.

00:47:49.000 I feel like someone popped out of a pod once.

00:47:52.000 I think it was, um, who's the- I think you're right.

00:47:55.000 The winger, the DeMaria.

00:47:56.000 Oh, DeMaria. 0.95

00:47:57.000 I think DeMaria had a really weird unveiling where it was like Back to the Future, but I think he almost came- you know when Mighty McFly comes out of that barn in a yellow suit and he scares that family that got a rifle and that?

00:48:09.000 I think they recreated that exactly for the unveiling of Di Maria.

00:48:13.000 I think they built a tiny barn, like when Zach Galifianakis interviewed Obama in the White House, and it looked like the normal between two phones set and then the walls fall off and you realise they're in the Oval Office.

00:48:26.000 It was like that.

00:48:27.000 If you have a look at Di Maria's unveiling ceremony, have a look at it.

00:48:32.000 His transfer was extraordinary, or at least his unveiling was.

00:48:35.000 And David Beckham, yeah I remember.

00:48:37.000 I suppose with David Beckham, it was somewhat organic, his ascendancy to superstar status, because he's sort of really good looking, and he married a pop star, and he was an excellent footballer.

00:48:49.000 But do you remember how, after his little backheel on Diego Simeone in, was that 2002, that World Cup?

00:48:57.000 I think it was 98.

00:48:57.000 Or 98?

00:48:59.000 They burned effigies of him.

00:49:01.000 Like, that's a real pendular swing that he experienced there, from like, has he been naïve yet?

00:49:08.000 He will get naïve sooner or later, David Beckham.

00:49:11.000 He's sort of like almost a media untouchable, he's adored, he represents...

00:49:17.000 I would say the sort of perfect marriage of kind of commodity and excellence and branding.

00:49:26.000 You can't achieve any of those things if you're not excellent, can you really?

00:49:31.000 None of it would be possible if he hadn't been such an excellent and dedicated athlete.

00:49:36.000 And now, you know, Messi perhaps one of the greatest geniuses to ever have played football.

00:49:41.000 It's odd to see him occupy that space.

00:49:46.000 What remains now?

00:49:47.000 What remains of the game that we are celebrating?

00:49:53.000 It's interesting as well because I heard stories about the PSG fans that don't like Messi.

00:49:58.000 They think he was disrespectful to them.

00:49:59.000 I know he had that trip to was it Qatar or Saudi?

00:50:03.000 I can't remember when he like was late for training or something like that.

00:50:06.000 there they're not huge fans of him and they had a big unveiling when he went to

00:50:10.000 PSG but it doesn't matter does it you can just essentially get bought by

00:50:14.000 different franchise and celebrated in a different country and it can be even

00:50:18.000 bigger and better than the one before it's unstoppable isn't it this force

00:50:23.000 yeah there's the ongoing abstraction from the reality of it It wasn't, I suppose though, we have to remember, it ain't that long ago that Messi just had an unbelievable World Cup.

00:50:33.000 Where like, his contributions were excellent.

00:50:33.000 Yeah.

00:50:36.000 It wasn't like watching an athlete in decline experiencing a swan song.

00:50:42.000 It was his exemplary excellence that Lionel Messi brought to that World Cup.

00:50:46.000 So, and it was you that made the point that in spite of the Fears about the game becoming increasingly commodified and the furore around the World Cup being held in, in this instance, Qatar and human rights issues and all of that stuff.

00:51:02.000 It was just a bloody good World Cup.

00:51:05.000 It can sustain it.

00:51:07.000 So maybe it can sustain this, but I suppose sometimes I feel like with the MLS, other than, and I don't mean to be disrespectful in particular to it, because I know that women's soccer and girls' soccer is really big.

00:51:17.000 In your country, the United States, but and I know that there's a big Latin population and other, you know, sort of former European and African nation population that have the kind of care for football that we have.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, it still feels grafted on even when I see you see the stadium and when I try to hold together the image of him being barely recognized in a supermarket and the image of these of the sort of the pink shirt and the peculiarly lit stadium.

00:51:45.000 What it feels like to me is a graft.

00:51:47.000 A graft and a grift.

00:51:47.000 Yes.

00:51:49.000 I don't know, man.

00:51:49.000 Yeah.

00:51:50.000 I sort of struggle to get beyond it.

00:51:51.000 It's hard, isn't it?

00:51:52.000 because you can come across as being just cynical and I guess suggesting that it's not

00:51:59.000 as important over there or that it's not as meaningful over there and I guess diehard

00:52:03.000 fans in the United States would not be happy with that kind of analysis of it.

00:52:08.000 But I know what you mean.

00:52:09.000 I think it's something to do with the speed of it all and yes, I guess the game has been

00:52:14.000 growing.

00:52:15.000 Was it 94, the World Cup in the US?

00:52:18.000 So it has been growing for a while.

00:52:19.000 It didn't qualify for that World Cup.

00:52:20.000 No, we did not. 0.99

00:52:20.000 And it was on late at night, so it was a very shit World Cup on my portable black and white in my bedroom. 0.99

00:52:25.000 That's how I remember that, World Cups, of watching it and not really being able to properly get involved in it. 0.97

00:52:30.000 Oh, it's Santi Carzolla.

00:52:32.000 Well, when he left Arsenal to go to Villarreal, that is what it was.

00:52:35.000 We'll have a look at that mad unveiling in a minute, but I just want to make sort of a weird political point.

00:52:40.000 Like, when Cornel West talks about NATO and the contribution that NATO infringement on former Soviet territories made to this current war, whilst simultaneously acknowledging Russia's invasion, you're allowing into the political conversation a degree of complexity that ain't normally afforded it, and somehow I was going to connect that to a I can't remember how I was going to connect that, because the sort of image of Santi Corzola's unveiling at Villarreal is so mad.

00:53:13.000 Like, if you listen to this as a podcast, a sort of tube that can only have come from the mind of Dr. Emmett Brown is on the screen at Villarreal Stadium, and let's have a look at the unveiling of Santi Corzola.

00:53:27.000 There's a tube like filled with dry ice bearing the emblem of the club

00:53:32.000 and a man who does look like a magician he's got a sort of magician's haircut I would say

00:53:36.000 and a sort of pallid complexion of a man who spent a lot of time 0.98

00:53:40.000 in an attic learning close-up magic and intermittently masturbating 0.67

00:53:44.000 about to sort of practice the unveiling. Let's have a look. 0.80

00:53:48.000 He's a great person and all of that adds up, right?

00:53:50.000 And you could tell people were really looking forward to seeing him.

00:53:53.000 Don't like magicians.

00:53:54.000 No.

00:53:55.000 I don't like them.

00:53:56.000 No disrespect if you're a magician.

00:53:57.000 But when someone comes up to me and goes, do you want to see a magic trick? 1.00

00:54:00.000 The true answer is, fuck off. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Sure. 1.00

00:54:03.000 Right? 1.00

00:54:03.000 I don't want to see a magic trick. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Yeah.

00:54:05.000 I know what it is.

00:54:06.000 Like, you've just come up to me and go, I want to make you look a fool now. 0.99

00:54:10.000 That's what it is, isn't it? 0.98

00:54:11.000 The only people I would let do a magic trick, because someone did one when I was at community the other day, is a child.

00:54:15.000 And even then, I resented it a bit.

00:54:17.000 He resented the child.

00:54:17.000 Right.

00:54:19.000 Because he came up and he goes, pick a card, pick a card, and all that.

00:54:19.000 A bit.

00:54:22.000 And it's like, you know, you also know what's going to happen, don't you?

00:54:25.000 All right, yeah, you know what the card is.

00:54:27.000 I did have some magic lessons, though.

00:54:28.000 That is the wrong attitude.

00:54:29.000 Is it to magic?

00:54:30.000 Well, to A, a child, I would say.

00:54:32.000 Yeah.

00:54:33.000 I had magic lessons.

00:54:34.000 I know you did.

00:54:35.000 This is the great irony with all this.

00:54:38.000 You think it's sour grapes?

00:54:40.000 You think this is sour grapes?

00:54:42.000 You look at them in disgust and then on the side go, get me a lesson with the best magician in all of England.

00:54:49.000 I loved him, that lad.

00:54:50.000 He came round my house wearing a suit.

00:54:52.000 He had the vibe.

00:54:53.000 You know how people have their natural age that you feel they're going to arrive at, that they're waiting to arrive at?

00:54:57.000 This guy was a grandad.

00:54:58.000 He was only 25 or 30, but he was just waiting to grandad out.

00:55:02.000 He was wearing a suit.

00:55:02.000 It was too hot for that.

00:55:03.000 It was a three-piece suit, I think.

00:55:05.000 It was in quite heavy fabric, almost maybe even a tweed.

00:55:07.000 Taught me magic.

00:55:08.000 He had a young son.

00:55:09.000 He was a lovely lad, and he was a bit, what do I want to say?

00:55:11.000 Do I want to say portly?

00:55:13.000 I took his son to work with him.

00:55:14.000 He did have the son there, but I just knew he had a son, and I'm just building his character and just letting you know that I'm regarding him with some compassion. 0.95

00:55:21.000 Anyway, he taught me the magic, the usual, three balls. 0.93

00:55:24.000 Don't be childish. 0.97

00:55:25.000 Now listen. 0.99

00:55:26.000 Three balls, right? 0.97

00:55:27.000 Yeah.

00:55:28.000 He'd done that, three balls, pick a card, any card, all that stuff.

00:55:31.000 The fact is, is magic, there's another word for magic, lies.

00:55:36.000 Because what it is, is some lies.

00:55:38.000 I wanted to learn it from my children, really.

00:55:40.000 So they love it.

00:55:40.000 Right.

00:55:42.000 They love a bit of that.

00:55:42.000 Yeah.

00:55:43.000 You know, like 10p behind the ear.

00:55:45.000 Did you master that one?

00:55:45.000 Or the usual.

00:55:47.000 Not really.

00:55:48.000 No, I can.

00:55:49.000 I learned a few of them anyway.

00:55:51.000 Why are you doing it around the office?

00:55:53.000 We'd get a real kick out of all this.

00:55:55.000 You didn't know this whole time.

00:55:56.000 You've been hiding all these magic tricks that you've got.

00:55:59.000 You've been brilliant. 0.99

00:56:01.000 The three balls.

00:56:02.000 Well, we don't want that one. 0.99

00:56:03.000 The penny behind the ear we're into.

00:56:06.000 We'll do it to some staff members.

00:56:08.000 The penny behind the ear and the three balls are very closely connected.

00:56:13.000 Um, like, what it is, anyway, is that I don't like it.

00:56:15.000 When I was at that restaurant in Primrose Hill the other day, with my friend Ang Harrod, and like, the guy comes over and goes, I can see you're having lunch, and I thought, well... Right, that's the end of the sentence.

00:56:25.000 The end of the sentence, fuck off. 1.00

00:56:27.000 Right? 0.99

00:56:28.000 But nevertheless, I'm gonna bother you with this magic, and like, for Instagram pictures and stuff, and like, mate, to be honest, I'm having a bit of a chat, you know, and like, but then he come back later, I was like, what I said to him, Was my time honored, Lye?

00:56:44.000 I'll come get you just before I'm leaving.

00:56:46.000 Someone's to do that if it's someone who wants a photograph for a little kid or something like that.

00:56:50.000 He'd come back for another bite of the cherry.

00:56:52.000 He inflicted his magic on us.

00:56:53.000 His magic involved things like, sort of, mobile phones.

00:56:56.000 It was so intrusive.

00:56:57.000 I just, I don't like the relationship, actually, of magic.

00:57:00.000 No. 0.97

00:57:00.000 Because you're a dupe. 0.97

00:57:02.000 Aren't you? 0.99

00:57:02.000 Yes. 0.99

00:57:03.000 They dupe you.

00:57:03.000 Yeah.

00:57:04.000 I think they also, a magician, they You're right, you're being juked.

00:57:10.000 But also they have kind of access to you that you wouldn't normally give to someone in such a short space of time.

00:57:17.000 And I don't mean like inner cavity access, I just mean... If someone said to you...

00:57:21.000 Uh, do you have a minute? 1.00

00:57:22.000 I'm going to show you my penis. 1.00

00:57:24.000 You're most likely nine times out of ten. 1.00

00:57:27.000 Absolutely not.

00:57:28.000 Yeah.

00:57:28.000 I'd only do it if I had some particular reason for being interested in seeing it.

00:57:32.000 Yeah.

00:57:33.000 There's this lad on Instagram, I'm sure he's nice, or TikTok, or one of those things.

00:57:36.000 I see it every now and again.

00:57:38.000 Gut bucket.

00:57:38.000 I'm sure he's great and everything.

00:57:40.000 But the shtick is pretending to rob someone.

00:57:44.000 And he goes at someone, so if someone's holding, like, a laptop or an iPad, and he'll go to grab it off someone, and that person immediately goes, -"No, give me it back!"

00:57:52.000 -"No, Peter, you're robbing me!"

00:57:53.000 And then this fellow, like, lifts up his, uh, hoodie to reveal he's this magician, and then he does a dance, and then everyone goes, -"Oh!"

00:58:02.000 Now, I wouldn't be happy with that.

00:58:04.000 I'd be the one person that'd get this whole, I don't know, montage of people reacting really well, and then me and you at the end, who were just curious the whole way through.

00:58:13.000 I'll tell you what, I wouldn't take it.

00:58:15.000 Like, I don't... Again, if you take off your hood, there's not that many people in the world that you could be that I'd... that would overcome you trying to take my laptop.

00:58:15.000 No.

00:58:23.000 No.

00:58:24.000 But actually, look at this!

00:58:25.000 I'm... it's Redding!

00:58:26.000 Hmm... Nevertheless!

00:58:28.000 I did try and take my laptop.

00:58:31.000 Yeah.

00:58:31.000 Sheena Easton Give us me laptop back. Let's have a look at Santi Carzola

00:58:37.000 You know coming out of a test tube like a test tube baby Me ciano buenos que sabien que iba a parecer pero que les a 1.00

00:58:45.000 sorprendido igual por encomo Magician gays were stupid shoes. Yeah 1.00

00:58:49.000 La gente con ganas de verle como chelous young he's like a nation of bothered with him because he's actually he's 0.73

00:58:58.000 wearing a waistcoat He's distracting from the eventual revelation of Santi Carzolla.

00:59:02.000 Although I'm interested in how they did this, and I think it might be mirrors around that thing in the bottom, on the bottom.

00:59:07.000 The tube is on a platform, the platform is apparently transparent, but I would suggest to you it's mirrors around

00:59:13.000 that and little Santi Carzolo, who's only a tiny little lad anyway, isn't he?

00:59:17.000 Well he could probably just duck down at the bottom.

00:59:19.000 Santi Carzolo could stand upright under that platform, he's a gnomish guy, wasn't he?

00:59:23.000 I think it's going to be a great season for him, for the fans, and there's a great communion with all of this.

00:59:28.000 I told him this afternoon that of all the famous...

00:59:31.000 You can also see that only one bit of the platform at the bottom is reflecting the glass.

00:59:35.000 Now I'll tell you what it does as well, is magic turns me into a pedant, because I'm so against their magic that I'm

00:59:44.000 always looking for how they're really doing it.

00:59:47.000 Sorry.

00:59:48.000 I see it as an analogous to the way we're tricked by the mainstream media.

00:59:51.000 Very nice.

00:59:52.000 Here we go.

00:59:53.000 There it is.

00:59:54.000 I want Calzola to come out wheezing and then have to miss a quarter of the season due to an asthma attack. 0.98

01:00:01.000 A terrible asthma attack because of the dry ice.

01:00:03.000 Yeah, I'd like that as well.

01:00:05.000 and he mutated and one of his legs fell off There are many people we have worked with

01:00:11.000 to make magic appear and it's very easy with him, he doesn't cause any problems

01:00:17.000 He's beamed down now He's very nice, he's funny

01:00:23.000 The magician is really trying to take the credit for it He's also one of those Latin fellas with red hair 1.00

01:00:29.000 You don't get them very often and I'm against it He nearly went very spinal tap then, didn't he?

01:00:40.000 Yeah, I see.

01:00:42.000 He's trapped in there.

01:00:43.000 Sorry, I'm afraid of Santi Corzola's trapped in there.

01:00:46.000 He's only got 10 minutes of oxygen.

01:00:47.000 It's like that submarine.

01:00:49.000 Santi Corzola still trapped in a tube. 0.99

01:00:52.000 Still ain't found the fucking Titanic. 0.99

01:00:54.000 We'll come together and get our hands together again. 0.96

01:00:57.000 Also, if I can say, I don't know how well Sane Cosola went on to do at Villarreal, but I would say also that he's not

01:01:03.000 top drawer enough of a player.

01:01:04.000 He isn't.

01:01:05.000 He was good at Arsenal for a bit, he was alright.

01:01:07.000 He'd already peaked at Arsenal.

01:01:09.000 He peaked at Arsenal, he's been injured for about two years.

01:01:11.000 He's fallen apart.

01:01:13.000 Yeah, the whole thing looks ironic. 0.89

01:01:14.000 The whole thing looks like taking a piss.

01:01:16.000 We've gotten all this trouble of all this dry ice.

01:01:18.000 Might as well get that magician to play in midfield.

01:01:20.000 He might as well.

01:01:21.000 He's got his little booties on already.

01:01:23.000 His little yellow suede booties.

01:01:25.000 There are some other transfers that we can look at.

01:01:29.000 Jack Graphic. 0.99

01:01:30.000 Bad Graphics Jack's done a bloody fucking graphic. 0.99

01:01:33.000 Let's have a look at that then. 0.99

01:01:34.000 We've waited to mock West Ham's failure to sign anyone.

01:01:36.000 Let's have a look.

01:01:38.000 I do want Edison Alvarez.

01:01:52.000 Paulina's good as well.

01:01:54.000 I don't know much about Paulina.

01:01:55.000 He's been great at Fulham last season.

01:01:56.000 He'd be a good sign in.

01:01:57.000 Alright.

01:01:59.000 Harry Maguire?

01:01:59.000 Apparently Chelsea.

01:02:00.000 I heard today Chelsea want him. 1.00

01:02:02.000 That makes me want him a bit.

01:02:04.000 Because I like that when other people want something and I think maybe I want that.

01:02:08.000 That's how advertising works.

01:02:09.000 Maybe I want to be a magician after all.

01:02:11.000 Being a magician's good.

01:02:12.000 Like say you see someone having an advert.

01:02:14.000 They're having a magnum.

01:02:15.000 You think, hang on.

01:02:16.000 Especially when he does that. 1.00

01:02:18.000 Oh, the crack of the fucking... Oh, my God. 1.00

01:02:20.000 Oh, lovely, that. 0.99

01:02:20.000 It's not just the chalk ice with a stick in it. 0.99

01:02:22.000 This is a lifestyle choice, this.

01:02:24.000 It's got a stick up its backside.

01:02:26.000 It's a chalk ice, go on, but it's got a stick up it.

01:02:28.000 Oh, crack through that into the magnum.

01:02:31.000 I'll have one, if you don't mind.

01:02:32.000 Edison Alvarez, that's who we want.

01:02:35.000 Right.

01:02:36.000 And I also want... Why are you so obsessed with him?

01:02:38.000 You keep banging on about him.

01:02:39.000 I don't know, I've been told he's good.

01:02:40.000 From Ajax, right?

01:02:41.000 Yeah, and I think, look, we need some... Declan leaves a big hole in the hearts of the West Ham fans, and Alvarez could be the man.

01:02:49.000 We ain't getting Harvey Barnes, has he gone to Newcastle?

01:02:52.000 It's not happened yet, but I think it is going to happen.

01:02:54.000 We've not yet seen Declan in red and white, have we?

01:02:57.000 Oh, I've seen him.

01:02:58.000 Have you?

01:02:59.000 I've not been looking.

01:03:00.000 Alright, but Harry Maguire, I do like Harry Maguire as a sort of a lad.

01:03:04.000 Listen, I have to stick up for Maguire, he was brilliant.

01:03:07.000 Why?

01:03:08.000 Oh Hull, he was great at Hull.

01:03:10.000 Hull produced a lot of good defenders and indeed a lot of players on their journey to a proper football club will pass through Hull, won't they?

01:03:19.000 Andy Robertson, Hull.

01:03:21.000 Gerard Bowen, Hull.

01:03:22.000 Harry Maguire, Hull.

01:03:24.000 He was very good at Hull, very good at Leicester.

01:03:26.000 I'm not thinking of.

01:03:27.000 Maguire was great.

01:03:28.000 Someone else.

01:03:29.000 I don't know.

01:03:30.000 So who else is a talent?

01:03:31.000 So Parlein is good.

01:03:32.000 What is your wide player?

01:03:33.000 Looks like a little wide player.

01:03:34.000 Full-on player, I don't know how much value.

01:03:37.000 How would you, as I say, he was very good at Hull, very good at Leicester, because obviously

01:03:41.000 United were not off-pitch.

01:03:42.000 Do you think, you just think that the experience at Man United means he can never reach those

01:03:46.000 levels again?

01:03:47.000 Well I think, is that David Moyes is on a personal mission to rehabilitate himself from

01:03:51.000 his Man United time and he has this sort of extraordinary sympathy for other Man United

01:03:57.000 nearly folks and I think that that's skewed David Moyes's judgement.

01:04:02.000 What do I know?

01:04:03.000 Very little is the truth when it comes to that, because those are all just things that I inshew it from my belly juices.

01:04:08.000 But is he still the England captain?

01:04:10.000 Because would that mean West Ham have got the England captain?

01:04:13.000 I don't know if he is anymore.

01:04:14.000 Is it now Kane?

01:04:15.000 I don't think he is.

01:04:17.000 And Harry Kane, I have heard on Good Authority, has bought a house at Wentworth Golf Club.

01:04:22.000 Does that mean he's more or less likely to go to Bayern Munich?

01:04:26.000 Is that the end of Bad Graphics Jack's latest assault that he's been doing on our dime?

01:04:30.000 Doing on the Rumble dime?

01:04:31.000 Is that the end of the link, yeah?

01:04:34.000 Alright, so Jordan Henderson could be going to Etifak, is that how you say it?

01:04:38.000 Yeah, it's with Gerard, isn't it?

01:04:40.000 Oh, Steven Gerrard's managing that and looking sort of like a minor dictator.

01:04:45.000 Lukaku's leaving Chelsea, which he'd sort of basically already left anyway, but to go to Juve now.

01:04:51.000 Harry Kane may go to Bayern Munich and Pusilic has already gone to AC Milan.

01:04:56.000 That's right.

01:04:59.000 You don't want, do you want Harry Kane to go to Bayern Munich or not?

01:05:01.000 Well I wanted him to go to Real, but apparently Mbappe, they're going to pay like 800 million for Mbappe or something mad.

01:05:09.000 That was something rumoured anyway last week.

01:05:11.000 So it looks like Kane will be going to Bayern.

01:05:13.000 Is he definitely going to leave?

01:05:14.000 I don't know, it's not definite, no.

01:05:17.000 Why has he bought that house on a golf course for?

01:05:19.000 I don't know, it's intriguing.

01:05:22.000 It is, isn't it?

01:05:22.000 It is intriguing.

01:05:23.000 And why has David De Gea, Gareth Roy look-alike, left Manchester United?

01:05:30.000 I think it's after West Ham got that soft goal against him.

01:05:33.000 That was the end of De Gea.

01:05:34.000 Of course, he can't play from the back.

01:05:36.000 Said at the time, goes right into the wall, he's out.

01:05:38.000 He'll never play again.

01:05:39.000 This guy used to play for Inter Milan, did he, mate?

01:05:41.000 Yeah.

01:05:41.000 I don't know him.

01:05:42.000 No, he's technically very good, but as you say, he can play from the back.

01:05:47.000 Is anyone going to get that Napoli forward?

01:05:51.000 He's incredible, but I think Napoli have said it'll cost the earth for him.

01:05:57.000 Alright, now here's something significant.

01:06:00.000 Mike Dean is going to be on.

01:06:02.000 Referee Mike Dean is going to be joining Soccer Saturday for match official insights.

01:06:08.000 But Mike Dean is much loathed by West Ham fans for a series of poor decisions accumulating over the years.

01:06:16.000 Here is a clip of him hating bubbles.

01:06:19.000 which are the emblem and icon of West Ham United Football Club, along with the Hammers, of course.

01:06:23.000 Let's have a look at that.

01:06:24.000 How can you hate a bubble?

01:06:35.000 A bubble is a miracle.

01:06:36.000 A bubble is an aerodynamic miracle.

01:06:38.000 It's a miracle.

01:06:39.000 It brings fun.

01:06:41.000 Everyone everywhere loves bubbles.

01:06:42.000 I've always really, when I see West Ham when we've gone before, I'm always really jealous of that bit because I think that's so amazing that you can come out to that.

01:06:50.000 It's incredible.

01:06:50.000 There's a song, there are actual bubbles.

01:06:53.000 I mean, it's got everything you need.

01:06:55.000 Yeah, he's got that great big lovely cupboard at the heart of our defence.

01:07:05.000 And what's this Mark Dean doing here?

01:07:07.000 This was a Trammier game I think, wasn't it?

01:07:09.000 Because he's a big Trammier fan.

01:07:11.000 And he was still a referee at the time when this was recorded and everyone thought this is a bit mad.

01:07:15.000 He shouldn't have, he should be neutral.

01:07:17.000 It's an unrealistic expectation that match officials will be... Yeah.

01:07:23.000 Neutral outside of the role.

01:07:24.000 Of course.

01:07:25.000 I'm still not over referees not wearing black anymore.

01:07:28.000 Right.

01:07:29.000 Things I've not let go of that I should have let go of.

01:07:32.000 Referees not wearing black, numbers not being 1 to 11, like in the football, you know, I've not let go of that. 0.94

01:07:32.000 Yeah. 0.94

01:07:39.000 No.

01:07:39.000 Magic.

01:07:40.000 Magic is an acceptable hobby and profession for people.

01:07:45.000 All things that I've just sort of Like, foolishly clinging on to, resisting against the relentless tide of time.

01:07:52.000 Like, the referee's garment is to separate them from ordinary society, in the same way as the robes of the judiciary.

01:08:02.000 And in our country, the wig is like, well this guy, and then in the case of an execution, the black cap.

01:08:08.000 Isn't that amazing that they put on a black cap?

01:08:11.000 Like, isn't it weird that It shows you that in spite of our poise and pose of rationalism, we're still sort of deeply superstitious characters that know that we're dealing with mystery.

01:08:24.000 When like if there was an execution in our country, you can only be executed for treason now.

01:08:28.000 You have to have betrayed a majesty or a majesty's, sorry, his majesty's government.

01:08:34.000 You would be executed and on top of that, so the judge got so many things on their head at that point.

01:08:38.000 They've got their actual head, their actual hair, I mean that's just normal everyday life.

01:08:43.000 Sure, we've all got that.

01:08:44.000 Everyone's got that.

01:08:45.000 That's so far so good. 1.00

01:08:46.000 Then the wig, a great big stupid wig made out of horse hair, or at least cord horse hair. 1.00

01:08:50.000 And then the case of the execution, the black cap. 1.00

01:08:53.000 Wow.

01:08:53.000 They're like a knickerbocker of glory.

01:08:55.000 And then the next thing they're going to say before that stuff, might as well put a cherry on the top is... 1.00

01:08:59.000 We're gonna kill you. 1.00

01:08:59.000 We're gonna have to kill you. 1.00

01:09:01.000 Which is an odd thing to do. 0.99

01:09:02.000 So, Mike Dean, you can't expect that when he's not robed in the accoutrement of the referee, that he'll be anything other than a passionate Tranmere fan.

01:09:12.000 Let's listen to and regard his passion for tranny. 0.99

01:09:19.000 If you're listening to this, what I'll say is he did a lot of gestures

01:09:35.000 that make you think...

01:09:37.000 One time, a man told me, he's a photographer, that he was on his boat, his houseboat that he lived on, and he was attacked by pirates.

01:09:43.000 Now, he could see the pirates coming over the horizon, he said.

01:09:46.000 Well, not the horizon.

01:09:47.000 The distance, you know.

01:09:48.000 I don't know where the horizon was.

01:09:49.000 It's difficult to locate.

01:09:50.000 It's actually a matter of perspective.

01:09:51.000 Anyway, these pirates were drawing closer, and he said he was scared.

01:09:54.000 He was a photographer on a film set I was working on.

01:09:56.000 He said his girlfriend and him was alone on the boat.

01:09:58.000 The pirates were coming.

01:09:59.000 They knew they was pirates.

01:10:01.000 You're not thinking of the film Pirates of the Caribbean, are you?

01:10:05.000 Because that's the film.

01:10:06.000 This is Captain Phillips you're talking about.

01:10:09.000 It's not Captain Phillips.

01:10:10.000 Especially, I'm going to make it very clear that it's not, because of what I'm about to tell you.

01:10:13.000 Okay, sorry.

01:10:15.000 The pirates are coming over the horizon. 1.00

01:10:17.000 He went downstairs, did this fella, and he said, of the on-set photographer, he said, Stimulated his penis to a point of an erection. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Because it was to nakedly meet the pirates. 1.00

01:10:25.000 Wow. 1.00

01:10:28.000 And he said he stood there, with a bayonet and an erection, and stood on his boat, going... And sure enough, the pirates took him at his word, and did a U-turn, and about Farche, and left. 0.98

01:10:41.000 They weren't ready for a man with a machete and an erection.

01:10:44.000 Now we've just told a story that, let's face it, by any reckoning was unusual and strange and hopefully subject to some minor cuts. 0.52

01:10:51.000 But now we have to decide whether to show an emotional deli alley interview where he admits to sadly being abused as a child.

01:10:59.000 So I think we've got to rule that out.

01:11:01.000 There's the Women's World Cup photo where they're wearing raincoats.

01:11:04.000 For some reason I think that's wrong as well.

01:11:06.000 Because raincoats, women's football, I don't know. 1.00

01:11:10.000 Then the final one is three pros versus 100 kids.

01:11:13.000 Now, while superficially that would also sound like a dangerous segue, it's the one I feel most comfortable going for.

01:11:19.000 Oddly.

01:11:20.000 Because even those of you that are listening to this as audio, if you haven't seen it, it's amazing.

01:11:26.000 I've never seen this before, but I understand this is something that's sort of commonly understood and has even been plagiarised.

01:11:32.000 James Corden did it, didn't he?

01:11:33.000 Did he acknowledge the plagiarism?

01:11:35.000 I'm not sure.

01:11:37.000 Hahaha!

01:11:39.000 Let's have a look at this moment.

01:11:41.000 This is very good.

01:11:41.000 In Japan, they've got three adult footballers to play against a hundred children.

01:11:46.000 Now, I'll urge you to... We'll post this clip.

01:11:49.000 I urge you to have a look at it, because it's sort of joyful.

01:11:52.000 And to me, Gareth, it looks like something being observed under a microscope, like bacteria.

01:11:57.000 Like seeing a tiny louse fighting some, I don't know, little, like, aquatic bacteria.

01:12:04.000 Because that's the way they're moving around on a lens.

01:12:07.000 Let's have a look.

01:12:12.000 Here's some commentary.

01:12:17.000 The pros are winning.

01:12:18.000 The pros are able to maintain possession.

01:12:21.000 And the children are ineffectively running around.

01:12:28.000 The pros are using the space brilliantly, making the ball do the work.

01:12:31.000 The children, predictably, are running around after the ball, like children always do.

01:12:35.000 It's like one of those clichés, but when I took my little girl to play football at that place where I go all the time, Game, in Reading, I went there twice, but it was in two days, so it was a really intense period of going there.

01:12:48.000 All the children did do that.

01:12:50.000 They did do that.

01:12:51.000 And I almost felt like I said, look, I may not know much about football, but I do know this.

01:12:56.000 Hold your position and play between the lines.

01:12:59.000 You lot sit back, for God's sake, and look for space.

01:13:02.000 You started coaching is what happened there.

01:13:02.000 You.

01:13:04.000 I've gone straight to coaching.

01:13:06.000 Maybe I can be sort of like a Mourinho type coach.

01:13:09.000 Sure.

01:13:10.000 I'll be honest, I may not have achieved much at the top levels of the professional game.

01:13:14.000 I may, as yet, be undecorated as a pro, not winning any major gongs.

01:13:20.000 Wasn't he a translator for Bobby Robson?

01:13:22.000 Yeah, can you imagine those two?

01:13:23.000 Because Bobby Robson's the lovely... Like, I watched a compilation of Ronaldo goals the other day.

01:13:28.000 Like, you know, Ronaldo, Brazil, Ronaldo.

01:13:32.000 And when Bobby Robson was managing Barcelona, Ronaldo scores this goal.

01:13:36.000 And Bobby Robson's reaction, it's so sort of beautiful that someone enjoys football like he's so old. He's like oh f***ing hell! He's 0.97

01:13:45.000 like amazed by it. It's really a joy to watch someone like... From like a fans perspective

01:13:52.000 kind of thing. Oh wow! For the manager. Yeah it's really brilliant. It's really

01:13:57.000 brilliant to see because that's, well I suppose that's what he bought isn't it?

01:14:01.000 There are many different ways of leading.

01:14:02.000 Bobby Robson, evidently, from everyone who knew him, played for him.

01:14:06.000 I remember I did that thing with Alan Brazil recently.

01:14:08.000 Oh yeah, of course.

01:14:09.000 Bobby Robson's almost like a panacea for wellness.

01:14:14.000 If you start talking about him, people will start feeling alright.

01:14:18.000 Sort of like Jesus.

01:14:19.000 Very similar.

01:14:20.000 In fact, Jesus is sometimes more contentious.

01:14:23.000 I don't want to talk about Jesus.

01:14:25.000 Like, I've had some bad experiences in the church.

01:14:27.000 Oh yeah, but that's not the figure of Christ.

01:14:29.000 I understand there's been problems in the church, the figure of Christ.

01:14:31.000 Think of him more as like Bobby Robson.

01:14:33.000 Exactly.

01:14:33.000 Like a lovely father figure who you 100% know you can trust.

01:14:37.000 He's lovely, he's reliable, he's just there for you, he wants to protect you, he wants you to do well.

01:14:41.000 He took Newcastle to fifth position.

01:14:43.000 Could Jesus have done that?

01:14:46.000 I wonder.

01:14:47.000 Maybe Jesus could have finally got Newcastle to title they deserve, but now, you know, stealing Harvey Barnes from right under West Ham's noses, maybe Newcastle will win the... Who's going to win the league?

01:15:00.000 See, always, forever, until we're all dead.

01:15:04.000 Until Pep leaves and goes to manage England, apparently.

01:15:06.000 That's the new rumour.

01:15:08.000 It's never going to happen, is it?

01:15:09.000 They said that about Mourinho.

01:15:10.000 What happens is, our way of coping with there being charismatic, sexy foreign managers is to go, they'll come and manage England one day and everything's going to be okay.

01:15:19.000 And then they don't do that.

01:15:20.000 Because Mourinho said he was going to do it.

01:15:22.000 And like, who's England management now?

01:15:24.000 That is the sort of appointment, because you do, with England managers, you always go different.

01:15:29.000 Like, I don't know, some people do this with girlfriends.

01:15:31.000 If you have a girlfriend that's of a particular flavour and hue, or boyfriend, I don't care what you do, because this is actually about football managers.

01:15:38.000 You always go for a very different one next.

01:15:40.000 If you're dating Gareth Southgate, what's the next natural step?

01:15:45.000 Pep.

01:15:45.000 Yes.

01:15:46.000 Go for Pep.

01:15:46.000 You've gone for English, sort of understated.

01:15:49.000 Now go for a sort of a Svengali with a glint in his eye.

01:15:53.000 A single-minded, potent Catalan figure.

01:16:00.000 That's what you want, isn't it?

01:16:01.000 A bit of spice.

01:16:02.000 Interesting.

01:16:03.000 It won't happen though, will it?

01:16:05.000 Anyway, let's have a look at these little Japanese kids chasing adults around a football pitch and think about how far we've come as a species. 1.00

01:16:11.000 I don't think he was off so- Oh, no, he's not offside because there's a hundred kids playing in the back line.

01:16:24.000 No, no, I thought they were all at the halfway line, but no, there's another hundred children and then there's about 15

01:16:29.000 kids in goal, aren't there?

01:16:30.000 Yeah.

01:16:32.000 That's like the way that the world is governed.

01:16:47.000 Innocent children running around while the elite establishment just gently knock power about, just out of our reach.

01:16:52.000 We're all running around going, what should we do about trans issues?

01:16:55.000 Oh no, what are we going to do about this film?

01:16:58.000 It's a controversial new film!

01:17:00.000 Anyway, we're passing this new legislation that means we're going to be able to censor all of your day.

01:17:04.000 Oh bloody hell, what's going on? 0.68

01:17:07.000 Yeah? 0.85

01:17:07.000 Yeah. 0.85

01:17:07.000 Yeah? 0.85

01:17:08.000 I like that.

01:17:09.000 I like it.

01:17:10.000 Thank you so much for joining us today because we're going to take a short break now from Football is Nice, are we?

01:17:16.000 We are.

01:17:16.000 Because I'm going on paternity leave to have a baby.

01:17:19.000 Of course, yeah.

01:17:21.000 I trust we're not going to do it whilst you're in the hospital.

01:17:23.000 Can't.

01:17:24.000 You've got to focus.

01:17:24.000 For loads of different reasons.

01:17:26.000 One, I don't think I'll be allowed in.

01:17:28.000 Yeah, I think so.

01:17:29.000 Just the father, even.

01:17:31.000 If I say, can my mate come in, we do a podcast about football that no one's asked for.

01:17:37.000 They might say, not now, Mr. Brad.

01:17:39.000 Focus on the birth of this child.

01:17:42.000 So once I've come back from paternity leave, we'll come back with our predictions for the new season, who's going to win, what sign-ins are going to happen, and all sorts of stuff.

01:17:51.000 Thank you very much for joining us for football.

01:17:54.000 The world's complicated and all that, but football is nice, isn't it?

01:17:56.000 Yeah, it is, yeah.

01:17:57.000 It was nice.

01:17:58.000 Yeah.

01:17:59.000 The morning light.

01:18:07.000 We have got some fantastic content coming up for you. 0.95

01:18:09.000 On the show tomorrow, we'll be speaking to Ron DeSantis, who has written this book, has governed the shit out of Florida, and now believes that he must and should be president.

01:18:20.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders. 0.90

01:18:22.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:18:24.000 It's a very special episode because Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida and presidential candidate, is joining us.

01:18:34.000 Ron DeSantis.

01:18:37.000 Ron DeSantis.

01:18:38.000 Thank you so much for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:18:41.000 It's pretty clear that you're a pretty potent political voice and figure and orator.

01:18:47.000 How do you deal with the sort of wild card of Donald Trump?

01:18:51.000 We've been laying the groundwork in the early states.

01:18:53.000 The media will talk about polls, but they'll take a poll from the whole country.

01:18:57.000 Also, I would point out during COVID, I was the one fighting Fauci.

01:19:01.000 Donald Trump put Fauci in charge.

01:19:04.000 He never fired Fauci.

01:19:06.000 And I'm just thinking to myself, this guy had been responsible for justifying mandates, for justifying lockdowns.

01:19:14.000 How do you deal with the massive mistrust of American cultural life?

01:19:18.000 Where do you stand on this conflict?

01:19:20.000 How do you manage the tension when there is a plain appetite in your country for anti-establishment figures?

01:19:26.000 But the next question I'm going to ask Ron DeSantis is, would you pardon Trump?

01:19:37.000 Next week on the show we've got Oliver Stone, Cigar and Jetty.

01:19:40.000 So, join us tomorrow, not for more of the same.

01:19:42.000 We wouldn't put them vile slops before ye. 1.00

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