00:00:18.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:00:21.000We're going to be talking about the king's visit to your country, America, and Trump's inappropriate prank of dressing up the security staff there as revolutionary warriors.
00:00:31.000We're going to be talking about a terrible terrorist attack in my country, the United Kingdom.
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00:02:50.000Next, Elijah the prophet was told by God to go to this kid, Elisha.
00:02:55.000So he departed from there and found Elisha, the son of Shaphat, while he was plowing with twelve pairs of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth.
00:03:06.000And Elijah passed over him and threw his mantle on him.
00:03:10.000He left the oxen and ran after Elijah and said, Please let me kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow you.
00:03:19.000And he said to him, Go back again, for what have I done to you?
00:03:25.000So, Elisha returned from him, following him, and took the pair of oxen and sacrificed them and boiled their flesh with the implements of the oxen and gave it to the people and they ate it.
00:03:38.000And then he arose and followed Elijah to minister to him.
00:03:42.000So, real quick, implements is the plow that he was plowing with.
00:03:47.000The mantle is like the cloak that Elijah was wearing, but in kind of Christian or spiritual context, it's like when they say, hey, he's passing his mantle on.
00:03:57.000It's like the anointing that Elijah carried from God.
00:04:35.000Well, we had just been talking about that yesterday, and I read it with my son.
00:04:38.000I was just thinking about how there are times in our spiritual walk, because I think this is like a situational archetype in a sense that we run through as we mature, hit different things.
00:04:49.000That the Lord and the Holy Spirit bring that question back to us when we're called into something of the Lord are we willing to leave behind what served us in the past season to go into the new thing that God's asking us to do?
00:05:01.000And so I think that's a question to ask ourselves.
00:05:04.000Again and again and again, because we have found new dependencies or new foundations, and the Lord wants us to always let Him be alone, the firm foundation that we stand on.
00:06:25.000It was George III of the Hanoverian dynasty that syphilitically and madly had to let go of the great colonies because he had, I think, gone insane in the old membrane.
00:06:36.000But nevertheless, were it not for Cornwallis' foolish decisions, We could have kept hold of America, but it looks like it might be too late now because, well, actually, I shook hands with King Charles one time.
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00:09:43.000James Bunn, he's all right, but he'd sung that song, he'd sung that, and everyone liked it, so like that's a safer one.
00:09:48.000But right next to him is old Russ, all the lacquered up hair and all that kind of stuff, lasciviousness, crazy concupiscence at the tips of my crazy fingers.
00:09:56.000And I like, I just like shook the hands.
00:09:58.000And like, the Queen actually, she wears gloves, she she bolts by me like I was on fire.
00:10:03.000But like, afterwards, I used to do this sort of stand up because.
00:10:07.000It's like you're watching them come down the line.
00:10:10.000And it's a sort of a very sort of nerve wracking feeling because also they tell you in advance how you have to deal with a member of the royal family.
00:10:17.000Like someone comes to your dressing room.
00:10:39.000And that's what I'm thinking as she's coming around the semicircle, approaching Prince Philip, flirting with a trapeze artist, all that kind of stuff.
00:10:46.000James Bond, as they're getting sort of closer and closer, I'm thinking, bow from the head, not from the waist, mam is in jam, not mam is in arm.
00:13:06.000And are you do you want to practice it?
00:13:09.000I think Charles probably went somewhere and hid and he was just like, Oh, like, I mean, I don't like people used to say he didn't have very big cat.
00:15:20.000Right, so Trump, when meeting the great King Charles III of the United Kingdom and all of her empires, I think he'd done a good job on that handshake.
00:15:29.000But how would he have dealt with this little insult?
00:17:48.000Certainly, many people now don't believe that real power is held within the executive branch of the presidential office itself, even if when it comes to.
00:17:56.000Significant stuff like, you know, I don't know, advancing holy wars in the Middle East.
00:18:00.000But let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
00:18:42.000He looks like he's about to reverse through that hedge right out of there.
00:18:53.000I suppose that's what Trump is about power in such an overt and readable and obvious ways, whether it's power plays like handshakes, glib announcements on Truth Social, power, vivid, lurid power.
00:19:08.000And I suppose, isn't that what was appealing in the first instance?
00:19:13.000Obvious, not like them insidious, caring, sharing, peculiar figures, your Bidens, even your Obamas, that kind of a newly emergent and evolved form of power, slick and charismatic, but still leads to the financial crash, still leads to droning in Syria, still leads to the same kind of interest.
00:19:32.000I mean, if all this concern that seems to be defining the American political space right now, if we say, for example, it's either, is it the total lack of trust in the post Epstein Files era?
00:19:41.000Is it the sense that Israel has undue influence?
00:19:58.000So, you know, what are we going to do with all this paraphernalia, all this mad pageantry, whether it's the lunacy of our country, the United Kingdom, and all of our, what I want to say, like our cenotaphs and our emblems and our livery or yours?
00:20:56.000I wonder how long in advance they plan it.
00:20:58.000I wonder how explicit they are of the intentions.
00:21:00.000Do you wonder that it might be motivated by an awareness that the British government is deeply unpopular and that, in all likelihood, Nigel Farage will be the next Prime Minister of our country, a coalition between the Conservative Party and Reform Party, and that the monarchy have to position themselves favourably for those forthcoming events?
00:21:21.000Furthermore, what do you Americans think?
00:21:23.000Because it seems like the Americans there were right turned on and into our British power.
00:23:08.000And look, you can almost, I think he said, you can see that it's been given to Zuckerberg.
00:23:12.000So, like, all those sort of figures, even something like I can't imagine that Finch is doing this, but we know when you hear that Hollywood is the propaganda arm of power, do you think it kind of works in that way?
00:23:25.000Like, let's make a film that makes Zuckerberg look like a weird genius when really he's just a Fed, just an asset.
00:23:39.000That's Buzz Aldrin telling Conan O'Brien that he actually saw an animation of the moon landing, which reminds me of people saying, Did Stanley Kubrick do the fake moon landing thing?
00:23:49.000I mean, before the show started, we were talking about how even events like the assassination attempt at the press correspondence, we don't care really anymore.
00:23:58.000It's like, oh, there's so much going on.
00:24:00.000And even then, things are real serious, like the Iran war.
00:24:02.000It's like, I ain't got time to care about this.
00:24:06.000I mean, you know, with the thing with me on Piers Morgan the other day, if something sort of somewhat innocuous, like me leafing through the Bible trying to find a quote, can glean that much attention, it starts to make you wonder about what the hierarchy of interest is really built around.
00:24:31.000Do we think that Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, et cetera, et cetera, there are these weird entrepreneurial geniuses?
00:24:36.000Or are we starting to suspect that actually.
00:24:39.000In the same way that the electromagnetic light range is limited by our sensory capacities, our understanding of real global politics is similarly limited.
00:24:49.000And all of the real power and all of the real decisions are taking place beyond our control, whether that's who's going to be president and whether or not that president's going to go to a war or not commit a country to war.
00:25:04.000The real power is moving invisibly and insidiously beyond our reach.
00:25:09.000Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
00:25:11.000I think increasingly that's what people generally think.
00:25:13.000And hasn't it induced the sort of fatigue where you can't even really care about massive wars that will, in various economic and maybe even Mortal ways affect your life.
00:25:24.000Here on Conan, is Buzz Aldrin saying that he saw an animation of the moon landing?
00:25:29.000I mean, I've not watched this yet, but Massey thinks that it's an appropriate asset to help us understand our kind of fatigue and weariness and the abundance of information and the lack of trust, really, in any of it.
00:25:40.000Let's talk about this because this is fascinating.
00:25:42.000I remember very clearly, I think anybody who was alive at the time does.
00:25:45.000I remember my parents waking me up and we went down and we watched you guys land on the moon.
00:26:25.000Buzz Aldrin does there appear to be inadvertently revealing that whatever the footage was that America watched on that famous night, it was not direct footage.
00:26:35.000And many people who question the veracity of the moon landings similarly say, well, the tech weren't available then.
00:26:40.000You can't get a phone signal, all that kind of stuff.
00:26:42.000And that's an interesting and unusual moment that's difficult to find.
00:26:46.000What on earth was Buzz Aldrin saying if not it was an animation?
00:27:30.000He's going to advocate for war and war spending.
00:27:34.000The United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror.
00:27:40.000We answered the call together, as our people have done so for more than a century, shoulder to shoulder through two world wars the Cold War, Afghanistan, and moments that have defined our shared security.
00:27:55.000Today, Mr. Speaker, that same unyielding resolve is needed for the defense of Ukraine.
00:28:16.000You know, I sometimes think we're like ducklings imprinting our affections on what we see while we're vulnerable before our eyes are barely yet open.
00:28:26.000A monarch, a king, I reckon, even if you're someone that's important and powerful and you meet a king, part of you can't help but feel, oh, wow, like when I was a kid and I saw this royal wedding or the death of this person.
00:28:40.000Look, here I am meeting Leonardo DiCaprio or here I am meeting Grace Kelly.
00:28:46.000Or whoever you have personally anointed and appointed to be powerful.
00:28:50.000Of course, though, a king is literally supposed to be God's chosen one.
00:28:53.000And the crowning ceremony, the coronation ceremony of a British monarch, includes a very mysterious moment that is veiled and an oil anoints them out of sight.
00:29:03.000I don't know if the crucifix is applied actually because you're not allowed to see it because it is literally meant to be a cult, set apart, sacred.
00:29:11.000Now, if you watch a lot of peripheral, less peripheral these days, online content, you're Be aware that many people believe that these powerful families, including the British monarchy, are connected to real peculiar occultist power.
00:29:26.000That's difficult for me because, you know, I had those meetings with them, of course, real fleeting.
00:29:31.000That wouldn't be enough to tell if someone was a reptile or not.
00:29:34.000But I also know people that are like good friends with, like Charles, like friends of my wife, for example.
00:29:41.000And I remain friends with one particular woman who I really love, actually, who's married into the royal family.
00:29:50.000And it's a little bit like, you know, having been.
00:29:52.000Around and married to Katy Perry, and people say she's got a handler, CIA handler.
00:29:57.000And because I know that that isn't true, it kind of muddies, or at least if it's true, it's not something I've got any evidence or experience of.
00:30:07.000It muddies the water, even with things that I myself believe, i.e., that there is a cultist power.
00:30:13.000Like, I wonder if you know, I've met you know, the sort of some of the Trumps and stuff like that, and been in Mar a Lago and been in those environments.
00:30:21.000Are we saying and are we believing, and is it important?
00:30:26.000They've got these occultist interests.
00:30:59.000I suppose you sort of don't you in a moment when you see Nancy Pelosi furiously applauding, advocating for prolonging a war that probably can't be won by Ukraine against Russia, that we're all just in some mad simulation?
00:31:14.000Let me know what you think in the comments chat.
00:31:23.000Like they're not probably in the public eye as much or hide it a lot more.
00:31:28.000They're using the people in the public eye in some sort of way or fashion.
00:31:31.000I think those guys are behind the scenes.
00:31:33.000You know, it's not that long since they threw formerly Prince Andrew, not Prince Andrew anymore, because of his involvement in the Epstein files.
00:31:43.000And my general sense is if the person can be sacrificed, they're not that close to power.
00:31:51.000I've heard people say that probably Epstein weren't really that powerful, it was just a broker, an agent, whatever.
00:31:58.000And how can we sort of even maintain an interest in something like this type of pageantry when we really can't even be bothered to pay attention to?
00:32:07.000Horrific, terrible wars in which some Americans have already died.
00:32:11.000If only there was some way of knowing what's actually going on, maybe via lip reading you can tell by lip reading apparently, at least that's what's claimed here.
00:32:18.000A lip reader has revealed what President Donald Trump and King Charles whispered about in the opening moments of the British monarch's trip to the White House on Monday.
00:32:28.000Nicola Hickling told the Daily Mail that the president brought up both Saturday's shooting at the White House correspondence dinner and disturbing news about Russian President Vladimir Putin during the brief exchange.
00:32:41.000Told the king on the shooting, I wasn't prepared, but now I am prepared, before telling him that Putin wants war.
00:32:50.000The king tries to brush it off with, We will discuss this later, before the president warns, I've got a feeling if he did what he said, he will wipe out the population.
00:33:01.000Once again, the king tries to end the conversation on.
00:33:04.000There's a real small talk disjunct between those two, and they're like, Trump's small talk is, I got a feeling it's going to wipe out a whole population.
00:33:13.000And Charles's like, Can we just go inside?
00:34:48.000Anyway, my point is like, what's compromising?
00:34:53.000Is when you're when you sort of know that the culture is broken in every kind of con in every conceivable way that it's a kind of an evil thing.
00:35:04.000When you go into it, you have to acknowledge that you are going into it.
00:35:12.000You have to check your own motivations.
00:35:14.000You have to, you know, and if your own motivations aren't good, and I suppose sometimes mine aren't, at least your only motivation should be serve God.
00:35:20.000And if you're not doing that, you're in serious trouble.
00:35:23.000Um, all right, let's do uh, let's do it's time now for.
00:37:47.000The man in the bed was told of the acute poisoning from which he suffered, how it deteriorates the body of an alcoholic and warps his mind.
00:37:54.000There was much talk about the mental state preceding the first drink.
00:38:44.000They're laughing and it mentions they share their spiritual experience.
00:38:48.000And it's like, I think people overlook that.
00:38:51.000So they're laughing because what he's sort of saying is, I used to be someone, I had this identity, I had this job, this role, and I was someone in society.
00:38:58.000But he was an alcoholic, couldn't stop drinking, right?
00:39:01.000So the whole idea of the process of the 12 steps and having a spiritual awakening is the complete detachment from the illusion of the little self, the little avatar that you've built up.
00:39:11.000And they're laughing, like, oh, you think you were someone, dear?
00:39:20.000So, like, I think a lot of people when they first get sober, Fall under the illusion that now I'm going to get sober and I'm going to achieve this and that and I'm going to be someone, I'm going to do something.
00:40:10.000And it's learning to, like, oh, we're spirit, we're spirit having a human experience.
00:40:16.000And I guess that's the idea of the spiritual awakening is to let go of who you think you are.
00:40:23.000And I like in the book, there's another reading which I didn't know whether to use this one instead, but this sort of emphasizes the extent you should go to with carrying.
00:40:36.000The message and practicing the 12th step.
00:40:38.000It says here, page 97 helping others is the foundational stone of your recovery.
00:40:45.000A kindly act once in a while isn't enough.
00:40:48.000You may have to act the good Samaritan every day.
00:40:52.000If needed, it may mean the loss of many nights' sleep, great interference with your pleasures, interruptions to your business.
00:41:01.000It may mean sharing your money and your home, counseling frantic wives and relatives.
00:41:11.000Innumerable trips to police courts, sanitariums, hospitals, jails, and asylums.
00:41:17.000Your telephone may jangle at any time of the day or night.
00:41:22.000Your wife may sometimes say she's neglected.
00:41:25.000A drunk may smash the furniture in your home or burn a mattress.
00:41:32.000You may have to fight with him if he is violent.
00:41:35.000Sometimes you'll have to call a doctor and administer sedatives under his direction.
00:41:41.000Another time, you may have to send for the police.
00:41:46.000Occasionally you'll have to meet such conditions.
00:41:51.000Like this week, I've been all fucked up over like work stuff and trying to set up a new little business and dealing with all like bureaucracy and all that sort of stuff and attaching all sorts of like self worth to external bullshit.
00:42:07.000And like, really, what it's saying is if you're practicing your 12 step, living it to that extreme.
00:42:13.000Like, if I'm doing that, will everything else sort itself out?
00:42:16.000Or do I just not care that it won't sort itself out?
00:42:55.000Oh, I used to be this, I used to be that, I used to have this, I used to have that, not recognizing that we were kind of dead in sin or lost in addiction, however you want to look at it.
00:43:05.000That's a great observation that, you know, I like it that they laugh as well, that they sort of crack up at him and like how insensitive that is when you're visiting a man.
00:43:13.000That gaze is beating up nurses on the ward and all sorts of things, like an handful, that fella.
00:43:20.000Though, when you sort of then reconcile or counterpoise, as the program indeed does, that false identity in the world with what is required actually to be a genuine person who's walking the spiritual path, like that list, as it gets increasingly specific, is madly hilarious, isn't it?
00:43:41.000Look, oh, you might have to, your missus might complain, your phone might jangle day or night, someone might set fire to a mattress.
00:43:48.000I mean, that one must have happened, didn't it?
00:43:54.000One of my favourite AA 12 step stories was like a guy saying he fell asleep with a fag on, a cigarette on.
00:44:02.000It caught fire first to his clothes and then the bed while he was asleep.
00:44:06.000He woke up to find his bed sort of on fire and smoking, got up, pissed all over it to put it out, and then got back in the bed and went to sleep and said, I'm a genius.
00:44:17.000Only a few people in the world would have thought of that.
00:44:48.000You know, because I get consumed myself, like getting, you know, teased on the internet, say, for not finding the old Bible passage there.
00:44:55.000Like that's like, ah, I don't like that.
00:44:59.000You know, but if you were living a life where you were continued, like, I just was totally devoted to, you know, there's people up and down where I live, there's, Treatment centers where there's like women that have been brassing themselves, have had a bunch of abortions from being on the game.
00:45:15.000There's geezers that have had the shit kicked out of them by life.
00:45:18.000You know, if I spent, I don't know, three hours a week, an hour a day, like directly in the weeds with them, like how am I going to get it up to go, I don't like it when that happens?
00:45:48.000I think of, well, there's a couple things with that passage.
00:45:52.000One, I love how if you've ever had the experience of having someone that you've struggled with something that all these other people are like, dude, just stop doing that or just curve it down or, you know, what are you taught?
00:47:05.000And so they're like, yeah, brother, like that hopelessness, you know, it's almost laughing at themselves of like where they are today of seeing themselves back then.
00:47:47.000One guy caught himself on fire up in the gymnasium because he was praying for his girlfriend, is what he said when I put the fire and put out the fire on his pants and threw him into the car and took him to the emergency room.
00:48:01.000And as we're driving, I'm like, what happened?
00:50:10.000I mean, I just had a lot of those experiences, which was so helpful for me at the time because I could, it's almost like you, if there's a scale on that, I was so weighed on this side, right?
00:50:26.000Early in sobriety, if you're going to go one way or the other, go more into helping with others than worry about career and job and getting my life.
00:50:34.000And amazingly, in some ways, that elevated my life.
00:50:39.000Like just getting out of self, helping others.
00:50:42.000Like, I don't know if I'd be where I am today worldly if it wasn't for that.
00:50:47.000I think God will handle those other things.
00:50:51.000But I do think you can't, I mean, the book even says you can't make a soul vocation of it.
00:50:57.000You know, you have to take care of your family.
00:51:41.000I remember doing it when I was a year sober.
00:51:43.000It was one of those meetings where it goes round and it shared one person shares, then the next person, the next person going around the room clockwise.
00:51:50.000And I was like, I didn't really want to share, I half wanted to drink, and it got to the person next to me, they shared, and then they opened it up for open sharing.
00:51:57.000I've like lost my head, got up and walked out.
00:52:00.000I went to drink, but the only place I could find was an Indian restaurant, and it just shut as I went to get in.
00:52:05.000But I did drink the next day anyway, and it was chaos, and it lasted a good few days.
00:52:10.000But ultimately, like that was going to happen anyway.
00:52:35.000And I think that's when that's when step one starting to land, really, because you're acknowledging the absolute futility of it.
00:52:41.000Like, no matter what I do, I'm going to drink and I don't want to drink and I don't know why.
00:52:45.000And then it's like you're receptive to, Recovery, I think, like that's the little window of opportunity.
00:52:51.000But I haven't really got many stories of that, to be honest with you.
00:52:54.000And I think, like, on the topic of living the 12 step predominantly, like that is your main focus in life, carrying this message and the other stuff, the worldliness, it'll either come or it won't.
00:53:07.000You'll either get successful with a business or whatever.
00:53:12.000And I'm curious to know what you two think.
00:53:14.000Has this changed in AA or any 12 step fellowship over the years?
00:53:19.000Like, Where I'm a little bit younger for some of the meetings that I go to, all that look, I'm five years and the obsession to drink and use drugs has been removed.
00:53:51.000It's almost like that old thing that guy's saying, I used to be someone and I'm going to be like that little delusion that you're going to be something is still there and it's so strong that sometimes people might look at someone like me and think, not him.
00:54:04.000You want someone who's pulling up in a fucking Rolls Royce or you know what I mean?
00:54:09.000Looks like they've got their shit together in the material sense because you think, oh, I want a bit of that.
00:54:13.000It appeals to the ego still, you know?
00:54:15.000So I find it quite difficult to find enough people to help, although I am willing.
00:54:21.000Although maybe I need to be more willing and I don't know, go to some sanitariums or jails or something by the sound of it.
00:54:28.000We've all got to face that fissure, that contradiction, that dichotomy between worldliness and the world of the spirit and check our motivations.
00:54:41.000What is it that's making you cross the room?
00:54:44.000What's it that's making you get out of bed?
00:54:46.000Someone like, say, Nick the ferret, who's got, I guess he's probably got 50 years now.
00:54:52.000In 12 step programs, he's not a person who, um, there's a few things that I find very interesting about Mick the Ferret.
00:55:01.000He used to be like a poacher, you know, poach animals in the UK.
00:55:06.000As you know, gun laws are different and hunting is different.
00:55:09.000Essentially, it's not easy to get involved in guns and hunting unless you've got money in the UK, really.
00:55:14.000But once in a while, you'll encounter people on the edges, like people that got BB guns or people that have like hustled with rabbits and ferrets and weasels and stuff like that.
00:55:24.000The ferret is one such, like they do beat in for the main shoots that cost, I don't know, 500 quid a gun and 50 quid a bird to shoot pheasants.
00:55:35.000My uncle was a gunsmith, as a matter of fact, so he was sort of around that and around that kind of rural activity.
00:55:40.000My cousin, he works over here and is connected to gun stuff.
00:55:44.000Mick the Ferret, hey, he's a kind of mystic of the land, actually, like an old guy that's got loads and loads of time.
00:55:52.000And the other thing about him is he's not, you wouldn't call him an intellectual either.
00:55:56.000He's not like, he's not dealing with you from a place of intellect.
00:56:01.000Now, twice today, I've felt about the idea of you can't transmit what you don't have, and the idea of seek thee first the kingdom of God, actually, somewhat in relation to.
00:56:14.000What could be without the program I have and the support I have, a kind of a resentment about the experience of going on Piers Morgan.
00:56:23.000But what you realise when you have a program is what is it that you can learn and could do differently if you've got a particular aim.
00:56:33.000And what's really come to me is that someone like Mick the Ferret, he would, I reckon, if dealing with a drinking alcoholic, just like listen.
00:57:18.000Now, when I'm in my, like, all of us have this priestly aspect, this prophetic aspect, this divine, what you might call in a Jamie Winship way, author of Living Fearless and guest of the show, like, an identity that is your true identity in Christ.
00:57:31.000And right at the beginning, Joe was talking about identity.
00:57:33.000Our man there, Bill Dodds, I think was his name, in the bed, that alcoholic number three, he's like talking about his earthly identity.
00:57:41.000And he's up out of that bed and participating in a political campaign within a week, I think, like, sort of campaign this anchor or another.
00:57:47.000I'm like, but your identity, what is your identity in the world?
00:57:51.000When you hear about another identity, Of 12 steps or AA specifically, in this case, Chuck C. I was always really moved by this story that I heard on a Sandy B speaker tape that his job, his world job, was the installation of the kind of freezers that you find in grocery stores and supermarkets where the frozen goods are kept.
00:58:10.000And but that when he would do his work, he would conduct it in the spirit of the program, which the more I get into it is indistinguishable from the spirit of Christ for me, other than obviously the explicit declaration of Christ, which is a you know requirement of.
00:58:23.000True Christianity, Christian faith is like you got to live your life in God, whatever it is you're doing, and all the time know what it is you're doing and be rigorously honest with yourself.
00:58:33.000And if you're coming from fear or desire, if you don't take that to the Lord, you know, to your higher power, like it says in sort of step 10, first pray for God to remove it.
00:58:56.000Now, I've been doing this program for a long, long time, and I still don't naturally behave like that or think like that.
00:59:03.000I still like to double down and drill deeper into self, Chuck C, though, one time, as the story goes, he installed a whole set of freezer units in some grocery store, and they went, Oh, we don't want them there.
00:59:15.000We want them on the other side, even though they'd clearly asked for them where he'd installed them.
00:59:19.000And he, Chuck C, just went, No problem, and set it all up on the other side.
00:59:23.000And like they say that Chuck C wouldn't go, You're best.
00:59:38.000He's one of them sort of Christians that's around the time of Spurgeon.
00:59:41.000It might be like, or maybe even earlier.
00:59:42.000But anyway, this dude, George Sanker, runs an orphanage and would make a point of never asking for human, like, never would ask human beings for help or funding ever.
00:59:53.000Just would go, God, this orphanage, we're going to run it with you.
00:59:56.000Like, that commitment, like, what I've encountered in saintly people, and the one that comes to mind mostly is Amma.
01:00:04.000Like, she runs that ashram, 10,000 people.
01:00:07.000Someone said of her, she don't have a private life.
01:00:08.000And I thought that was interesting because what they're sort of saying is there's not a bit of her life.
01:00:12.000Where she goes, and now, though, time for me.
01:00:14.000Like, one can imagine that Mother Teresa of Calcutta was like that.
01:00:17.000That Mother Teresa of Calcutta ain't going to go from doing all her devotional work at the hospital and then going, do you know what?
01:00:22.000I'm just going to go online and look at some new shoes or there's a geezer I like.
01:00:27.000I'm going to check him out on Bumble or Hinge or whatever.
01:00:31.000Like, she ain't ever turning away from God, ever.
01:00:34.000And that's what that Emma, I felt like that around Emma.
01:00:37.000She's obviously not a Christian, she's a Hindu, and the Brahmin class around her believed that it'd be a reincarnation of an aspect of Kali.
01:00:44.000And certainly she was godly, I'll tell you that.
01:00:47.000And really, like, the reason I love 12 steps into the Lord, into Christianity, into Christ is because I think it's so foundational, 12 steps, in that it tells you, yes, you've got to stop drinking, right, or taking drugs or whatever.
01:01:04.000And then you do that, and it's like, oh my God, oh my, I can't cope.
01:01:38.000Because it's like, oh, actually, I'm doing sort of all right now.
01:01:41.000And, like, I see the sounds think that your sort of, you know, your situation, your circumstances, Joe, where you're doing a five year stretch of, ah, I don't know why.
01:01:51.000Why can't I go back to the railways and earn this and that and have a Mercedes and, ah, you're Bill Dodds, man.
01:02:56.000And that's in a way I can see that all my conversations, whether it's with Joe Kent or Joe McCann or Piers Morgan or Megan Kelly, it's like the same thing I'm saying is what are we doing here?
01:04:11.000And I think like my sponsor runs a book bindery business, you know, but man, the hundreds, possibly millions of people he's helped, he's a worldwide speaker.
01:04:26.000And man, that dude, that dude helps more on a daily basis than I'll help in months.
01:05:07.000Like, everyone used to, like, dress 50s style, like, for their meetings, like, how you would get a suit on, you know, It's become sort of big, and some people within AA go, Oh, it's a cult within AA.
01:05:18.000You know how little cults can start within it.
01:05:20.000But like I heard that that guy just lived it with the same devotion that you would expect of an entrepreneur or a business person, like on it, doing it, but working for God.
01:05:36.000And I always feel like when people participate in, say, even very big charity things, I think this is bollocks because charity is a subset of the system.
01:05:45.000Basically, bollocks, you're not affecting the system, you know.
01:05:48.000That's how I think, and the thing about the direct action aspect of 12 steps, I like as well.
01:05:53.000And, like, you know, I've got men that I could be helping, I see bliss people that go to meetings that I attend that are regularly in a treatment centers, and I know I should be doing that, and I don't because I'm too selfish, like, you know.
01:06:10.000And I, well, when you do, I think there's times that I mean, we all could be doing it better.
01:07:18.000I guess it's like, I suppose the broad highway part is if Dave is particularly called to do X and Joe Y and me Z, yeah, that's right, Z, not Z, then like, you know, that it can accommodate that.
01:07:31.000But there isn't really what we have to watch out for is the diabolical fallenness of a human being and the tendency just to unconsciously migrate back to self centered, selfish, self centered, selfish, self centered.
01:07:45.000Jamie Winship in his Living Fearless self promote, self protect mentality.
01:08:06.000That's not really the fellowship it talks about.
01:08:08.000The fellowship's like when me, Russell, and you go to London and what we're going through, we're talking about our own stuff, but also we're looking for people we can help.
01:08:21.000When we're in Boca Raton, what, three weeks ago?
01:08:25.000And the drivers, he was in AA and then he's got someone that's struggling that we call her up on the phone and 12 step on the way that like, When you're around other guys in 12 stepping people and looking for opportunities to be on mission together, that's where I think the real fellowship is.
01:08:44.000Two things I heard one is if it's not inconvenient, it's not service.
01:09:20.000It's just a reminder we're all in that same place together.
01:09:25.000It's just a reminder that we're all in that same place together, and that's what Jesus is after.
01:09:30.000So anybody across any part of their journey, if there's ever like a sense of judgment, Or, you know, we feel like we're better off than anyone else.
01:09:44.000It's like he's come for the sick, for the broken.
01:09:47.000That should be our focus as well to help others and bring them to Jesus.
01:09:52.000Yeah, and like not be repulsed, hey, when someone is like, because I still now get really annoyed when people are in their addiction or in their sin, in their flesh, as you would say, Jake, or in their brokenness.