Stay Free - Russel Brand - Trump and King Charles… What Really Happened? — SF711

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist. 0.91

00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:21.000 We're going to be talking about the king's visit to your country, America, and Trump's inappropriate prank of dressing up the security staff there as revolutionary warriors.

00:00:31.000 We're going to be talking about a terrible terrorist attack in my country, the United Kingdom.

00:00:35.000 We might have a quick look at this.

00:00:37.000 Let me see.

00:00:38.000 Is that the Bible you took to court?

00:00:40.000 Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.

00:00:41.000 That's hurtful.

00:00:42.000 Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.

00:00:44.000 No, no, no.

00:00:45.000 I am listening.

00:00:46.000 I think you're cynical about human beings.

00:00:48.000 I do.

00:00:49.000 That's cynic.

00:00:50.000 I do.

00:00:50.000 I don't like that.

00:00:51.000 No.

00:00:52.000 I think you're.

00:00:53.000 I do.

00:00:54.000 No.

00:00:55.000 I think you're cynical about yourself.

00:00:56.000 Not at all.

00:00:57.000 I don't think you think you're capable of greatness.

00:01:00.000 Pretty good.

00:01:00.000 It's pretty good.

00:01:01.000 It's pretty good stuff.

00:01:02.000 We're doing that.

00:01:02.000 Pretty good stuff.

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00:01:49.000 But maybe you like it down in the anodyne, down among the inoculated, down among the syrupy goop they serve up on the mainstream.

00:01:58.000 So much to talk about, but let's ensure that we're anchored first in something spiritual and healthy.

00:02:03.000 Here is a nurse with a verse.

00:02:05.000 Hello, Nurse Nikki.

00:02:07.000 The new light in is benefiting you tremendously.

00:02:10.000 You look fantastic.

00:02:12.000 What is the verse that you're going to share with us today?

00:02:14.000 Okay, we are reading from 1 Kings.

00:02:17.000 Chapter 19, and this is.

00:02:19.000 Hurry up and find it.

00:02:20.000 Find it quicker.

00:02:20.000 Take a long day.

00:02:22.000 Speed up.

00:02:23.000 Put the mic close to your mouth.

00:02:24.000 I'll do it.

00:02:25.000 I'll do it.

00:02:26.000 Speed up.

00:02:26.000 You've got no.

00:02:27.000 Get straight to that verse.

00:02:29.000 There's not a second to lose.

00:02:31.000 Don't you be leafing through that book now.

00:02:32.000 I found it right here.

00:02:35.000 Okay.

00:02:35.000 Do it in advance.

00:02:36.000 That's clever.

00:02:37.000 I'm going to make a note of that.

00:02:38.000 Find the verse before the show.

00:02:40.000 Clever.

00:02:41.000 Hold on.

00:02:41.000 Let me write that down.

00:02:42.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:43.000 Fuck you, Pierce. 1.00

00:02:44.000 Put a little tabs in there. 1.00

00:02:48.000 Go on.

00:02:48.000 Sorry, Nikki.

00:02:49.000 Just a little context.

00:02:49.000 Sorry for cursing.

00:02:50.000 Next, Elijah the prophet was told by God to go to this kid, Elisha.

00:02:55.000 So he departed from there and found Elisha, the son of Shaphat, while he was plowing with twelve pairs of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth.

00:03:06.000 And Elijah passed over him and threw his mantle on him. 0.50

00:03:10.000 He left the oxen and ran after Elijah and said, Please let me kiss my father and my mother, and then I will follow you.

00:03:19.000 And he said to him, Go back again, for what have I done to you?

00:03:24.000 That was Elijah, just so you know.

00:03:25.000 So, Elisha returned from him, following him, and took the pair of oxen and sacrificed them and boiled their flesh with the implements of the oxen and gave it to the people and they ate it.

00:03:38.000 And then he arose and followed Elijah to minister to him.

00:03:42.000 So, real quick, implements is the plow that he was plowing with.

00:03:45.000 What's a mantle?

00:03:47.000 The mantle is like the cloak that Elijah was wearing, but in kind of Christian or spiritual context, it's like when they say, hey, he's passing his mantle on.

00:03:57.000 It's like the anointing that Elijah carried from God.

00:03:59.000 So he's anointing Elisha with his.

00:04:02.000 Before he was told by God to anoint Elisha, did he know him?

00:04:07.000 I don't know.

00:04:09.000 I don't know.

00:04:09.000 But no, you know, because here that came from that text where he's like, oh, woe is me.

00:04:14.000 Like I'm the only prophet left.

00:04:16.000 And he's like weeping.

00:04:17.000 And so maybe he didn't.

00:04:18.000 And then God goes, there's 7,000.

00:04:21.000 Actually, that would have made it worse for me.

00:04:22.000 One of the things I like best is like, it's just the old rust.

00:04:26.000 I'm the old man.

00:04:26.000 Suffering on my own.

00:04:27.000 There's 7,000 of you.

00:04:28.000 Oh, what's the point?

00:04:30.000 I quit.

00:04:31.000 So why do you like that verse?

00:04:35.000 Well, we had just been talking about that yesterday, and I read it with my son.

00:04:38.000 I was just thinking about how there are times in our spiritual walk, because I think this is like a situational archetype in a sense that we run through as we mature, hit different things.

00:04:49.000 That the Lord and the Holy Spirit bring that question back to us when we're called into something of the Lord are we willing to leave behind what served us in the past season to go into the new thing that God's asking us to do?

00:05:01.000 And so I think that's a question to ask ourselves.

00:05:04.000 Again and again and again, because we have found new dependencies or new foundations, and the Lord wants us to always let Him be alone, the firm foundation that we stand on.

00:05:13.000 Thank you, Nurse Nikki.

00:05:14.000 Let us know in the comments and chat what you think about that and what you reckon you've got to let go of in your own life.

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00:05:26.000 Let's have another quick look at this if it still hurts my feelings.

00:05:29.000 I've already achieved greatness.

00:05:29.000 For greatness.

00:05:31.000 I want to celebrate two apprentices with Donald Trump.

00:05:33.000 Oh, bless you, darling.

00:05:34.000 Can I ask you more?

00:05:36.000 Nope, hurtful.

00:05:37.000 Don't like that.

00:05:38.000 No sense of humour about it.

00:05:39.000 Let us know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:05:42.000 If you want to be wounded as an Englishman, why not observe the visit of King Charles to the United States of America?

00:05:51.000 Our head of state, King Charles III, visited your head of state, Donald Trump, the one, the only.

00:06:00.000 Some will be saying thank God, some will be saying manifestation of God.

00:06:04.000 But let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:06:07.000 About Trump's abominable behaviour on this visit.

00:06:11.000 Firstly, dressing up people in the Rose Garden as Revolutionary Guards.

00:06:15.000 That's sarcastic and very, very hurtful.

00:06:18.000 Indeed, it was King Charles II, the literal last King Charles.

00:06:22.000 No, what was his name?

00:06:24.000 George.

00:06:24.000 No, it was George III.

00:06:25.000 It was George III of the Hanoverian dynasty that syphilitically and madly had to let go of the great colonies because he had, I think, gone insane in the old membrane. 0.59

00:06:36.000 But nevertheless, were it not for Cornwallis' foolish decisions, We could have kept hold of America, but it looks like it might be too late now because, well, actually, I shook hands with King Charles one time. 0.70

00:06:49.000 Did you know that?

00:06:50.000 Have I told you that?

00:06:51.000 No, I haven't heard that one.

00:06:52.000 Don't say it like you've heard all my stories.

00:06:54.000 Did you hear the story about when I went on Piers Morgan?

00:06:56.000 That's pretty good.

00:06:59.000 Have I told you the story about when I shook hands with King Charles?

00:07:03.000 You told me about the Queen, but I don't remember who she was.

00:07:05.000 That was a mistake.

00:07:06.000 There's a joke I could not get.

00:07:07.000 Whoa.

00:07:08.000 I mean, I'll do it again now.

00:07:09.000 You're not the Queen.

00:07:10.000 Right?

00:07:10.000 You better believe it.

00:07:11.000 Of course, I'm at the Queen, Joe.

00:07:12.000 What do you think you're at?

00:07:13.000 Who do you think is walking you through recovery?

00:07:16.000 Some mug, some dope off the street.

00:07:18.000 No, no, no.

00:07:20.000 These legs have been under the same table as kings and queens, mate.

00:07:23.000 It's only a matter of time before I'm knighted.

00:07:25.000 Only a matter of time.

00:07:27.000 I'm a noble by the holy hand.

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00:08:39.000 So, one time I've done something called the Royal Variety Performance in the United Kingdom.

00:08:39.000 Right.

00:08:43.000 So, you know, acrobats, all that kind of stuff, clap trap.

00:08:46.000 Anyway, this was in the old ascendancy era of old Russ in the mainstream.

00:08:50.000 And, like, I'd done a performance in front of the Queen.

00:08:54.000 It was in Liverpool.

00:08:56.000 I can't remember the name of the theatre, but it was like, I don't know, a couple of thousand people or whatever.

00:08:59.000 And Her Majesty the Queen and Prince Philip were there.

00:09:03.000 And, I Like, I could tell, see, the Queen, she didn't get where she was today.

00:09:07.000 Well, she, you know, just born into it. 0.99

00:09:09.000 Actually, let's face it, that's the way monarchy works. 0.73

00:09:11.000 But she could tell a nutter at 100 yards.

00:09:16.000 So I could see, actually, like, when the show ends, you stand in a semicircle, the performers do, you know.

00:09:20.000 So I'm just near some glittery acrobats in, like, leotards and all that.

00:09:24.000 And Prince Philip, God rest his soul, he was right up for that.

00:09:27.000 I could see him going, whoa, hello, and they were next to me.

00:09:29.000 And I was near James Blunt.

00:09:31.000 Yeah.

00:09:31.000 You're a beautiful fan.

00:09:32.000 Remember him?

00:09:33.000 It's true.

00:09:34.000 Yeah, James Blunt, he was right next to me.

00:09:36.000 Now, he's Been in the Royal Guard, so you could see that the Queen they were all over him, ex military.

00:09:41.000 He's a nice guy, actually.

00:09:43.000 James Bunn, he's all right, but he'd sung that song, he'd sung that, and everyone liked it, so like that's a safer one.

00:09:48.000 But right next to him is old Russ, all the lacquered up hair and all that kind of stuff, lasciviousness, crazy concupiscence at the tips of my crazy fingers.

00:09:56.000 And I like, I just like shook the hands.

00:09:58.000 And like, the Queen actually, she wears gloves, she she bolts by me like I was on fire.

00:10:03.000 But like, afterwards, I used to do this sort of stand up because.

00:10:07.000 It's like you're watching them come down the line.

00:10:10.000 And it's a sort of a very sort of nerve wracking feeling because also they tell you in advance how you have to deal with a member of the royal family.

00:10:17.000 Like someone comes to your dressing room.

00:10:20.000 Let me line that up.

00:10:23.000 Like when you meet Her Majesty the Queen, they say you have to bow from the head, not from the waist.

00:10:29.000 And you call her ma'am as in jam, not mom as in arm, right?

00:10:33.000 They give instructions so you don't mess it up.

00:10:35.000 So I'm like, I'll bow from the head, not from the waist.

00:10:37.000 Mam is in jam, not mam is in arm.

00:10:39.000 And that's what I'm thinking as she's coming around the semicircle, approaching Prince Philip, flirting with a trapeze artist, all that kind of stuff.

00:10:46.000 James Bond, as they're getting sort of closer and closer, I'm thinking, bow from the head, not from the waist, mam is in jam, not mam is in arm.

00:10:55.000 But in the back.

00:10:57.000 This is a bit of stand up.

00:10:58.000 This is what I love. 1.00

00:11:00.000 The bit of stand up that I used to do was, but in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, grab her fucking tits. 1.00

00:11:06.000 That was a bit of stand up that I used to do. 1.00

00:11:10.000 I used to do that stand up publicly.

00:11:13.000 Oh man, oh man.

00:11:15.000 Because, no, but it was like a vertigo joke.

00:11:17.000 It was a kind of the point of the joke is you know how you think mad stuff, don't you?

00:11:21.000 Don't you think mad stuff?

00:11:22.000 You know, like you sort of like, I could jump off that balcony, or what if I just tip over this tray of drinks?

00:11:28.000 Everything will go all crazy.

00:11:29.000 Like stuff that occurs to you.

00:11:30.000 And most of us are like, I'll throw this hot tea at this person, like that.

00:11:35.000 You know, like it was that kind of thought.

00:11:36.000 It's like, this is such a potentially mad situation that the Queen's going to be standing just there.

00:11:41.000 It's too much.

00:11:42.000 Pressure like I could do something crazy, and obviously, I didn't do anything crazy.

00:11:45.000 But now, even making that joke.

00:11:47.000 Yeah.

00:11:48.000 Oh my God, in the crazy old world of today.

00:11:51.000 Anyway, I didn't do those things.

00:11:54.000 And when I subsequently met King Charles, or Prince Charles, he was then, I remember he had a bit of a clicky wrist.

00:12:01.000 You know, like his wrist was clicking during the handshake.

00:12:03.000 And that was just from an old Russ handshake, not from the famous Donald Trump handshake.

00:12:08.000 Let's see how that goes down.

00:12:11.000 The door is closed, re shut, replaced, or parted.

00:12:22.000 Pretty good job, I think King Charles did there of withstanding that handshake.

00:12:27.000 Joe, when you're doing things like, say, touching gloves, you know, in a fight, a boxing match, do you think those things are important?

00:12:36.000 Do you think a lot of people have lost the fight before they even get in the ring?

00:12:39.000 Yeah, it's traditionally you've got to do it.

00:12:41.000 But I think it's a little bit of mind games as well.

00:12:44.000 Depends about how you carry yourself.

00:12:46.000 Stamp a little bit of authority on them.

00:12:49.000 Good eye contact.

00:12:51.000 Yeah, you've got to.

00:12:52.000 He's done well, I think, Charles, there.

00:12:54.000 I think he's put in a.

00:12:56.000 Like a good, like now that may the day may come where us three in particular meet Trump, right?

00:13:03.000 Now, the handshake's gonna happen.

00:13:05.000 Is he gonna do that to us?

00:13:06.000 And are you do you want to practice it?

00:13:09.000 I think Charles probably went somewhere and hid and he was just like, Oh, like, I mean, I don't like people used to say he didn't have very big cat.

00:13:17.000 I mean, what do you think it's like?

00:13:18.000 What do you think he's actually doing?

00:13:20.000 Like, do you think in a jujitsu way, just go with it?

00:13:23.000 Do you want to try one on let's try to see what you do to me?

00:13:27.000 And I'm going to do my normal handshake.

00:13:28.000 You do to me what you think Trump does.

00:13:30.000 He goes, That's all right.

00:13:33.000 I don't mind that.

00:13:34.000 Just moving it.

00:13:34.000 It's like you see, he's still talking.

00:13:36.000 It's like yours is clicking.

00:13:38.000 I think it was yours clicking.

00:13:40.000 You got a clicky wrist.

00:13:41.000 That was actually, that was my skin. 1.00

00:13:43.000 That was just my penis emerging from my foreskin. 0.99

00:13:46.000 Now, I think that he's doing this. 1.00

00:13:48.000 I'm now you just be normal, you, and I'll do what I think Trump does.

00:13:52.000 I think he does this.

00:13:53.000 I think he tries to take you off your balance.

00:13:56.000 Go do it to me what you think he does.

00:13:57.000 I think he pulls it down.

00:13:58.000 I don't like that.

00:13:59.000 It's a downward pull.

00:14:01.000 Oh, a downward pull.

00:14:02.000 It pulls it.

00:14:03.000 It's a downward pull. 0.98

00:14:04.000 That fucks you up. 0.96

00:14:05.000 You need a tight core. 0.99

00:14:06.000 All right, I'm locking my core. 0.98

00:14:08.000 Go on, do a downward pull.

00:14:09.000 That's it.

00:14:09.000 Well, that's strong.

00:14:11.000 Oh, what happens if you fight against it?

00:14:13.000 All right, go on.

00:14:14.000 Does he like.

00:14:15.000 Oh!

00:14:16.000 Then he can do the push.

00:14:18.000 Like, if you resist, he might do the push.

00:14:20.000 One little.

00:14:20.000 Find out.

00:14:22.000 Yeah.

00:14:23.000 How many times in your life have you had men actually grab your crotch? 0.98

00:14:27.000 Like, men. 0.83

00:14:28.000 I've got twice it's happened to me.

00:14:30.000 I won't name them because it's actually a form of sexual assault.

00:14:33.000 But I have had. 0.98

00:14:34.000 Two different men grab my crotch. 0.99

00:14:37.000 Grab it? 1.00

00:14:38.000 I grabbed your butt yesterday. 1.00

00:14:40.000 That was okay. 0.99

00:14:41.000 I didn't mind it.

00:14:42.000 You mean I have a nut tap?

00:14:44.000 I mean, I have a nut tip.

00:14:44.000 Just a nut.

00:14:46.000 Where they smack you.

00:14:49.000 You've not had a full grab.

00:14:51.000 Like in a weird way?

00:14:52.000 You've got a flick.

00:14:54.000 Well, it wasn't very nice.

00:14:56.000 Like, look, how did that cut?

00:14:57.000 Like, hey, hi, like that.

00:14:58.000 I think it was at that time I had a certain type of reputation.

00:15:02.000 And I think they wanted to see if they could get any of its magic off it.

00:15:07.000 Like Excalibur.

00:15:08.000 And he felt his power leave his body.

00:15:11.000 That's the hem of the Lord's coat.

00:15:18.000 Right, let's get back to this now.

00:15:20.000 Right, so Trump, when meeting the great King Charles III of the United Kingdom and all of her empires, I think he'd done a good job on that handshake.

00:15:29.000 But how would he have dealt with this little insult?

00:15:40.000 Americans are really laughing.

00:15:41.000 Like, Dave's laughing, Jake's laughing. 0.50

00:15:43.000 I just think he's trolling.

00:15:45.000 I mean, it's just.

00:15:46.000 It's out of order.

00:15:48.000 You're out of order!

00:15:49.000 Like, all right, what would that be?

00:15:51.000 What's the equivalent there?

00:15:53.000 What's the equivalent if, like, what if you went to Vietnam and they had, like, loads of heroin there and threw you down a tunnel?

00:16:01.000 Like, you know.

00:16:02.000 What's the equivalent?

00:16:02.000 I don't know.

00:16:03.000 There is no equivalent.

00:16:04.000 There is equivalent because America's misadventures since the Second World War have been really bad.

00:16:08.000 Let's keep thinking about it over the course of the show.

00:16:10.000 I don't want to offend Americans.

00:16:12.000 Knock the building down. 1.00

00:16:14.000 Oh, oh, oh, no, no, Massey.

00:16:18.000 This makes you feel at home, guys?

00:16:20.000 I want to distance myself.

00:16:22.000 I want to distance myself.

00:16:23.000 Oh, too soon.

00:16:24.000 Too soon.

00:16:26.000 Too soon.

00:16:27.000 It's in 20 years.

00:16:28.000 No, I'm not over it yet. 0.72

00:16:30.000 I was dressed as Osama bin Laden the next day. 0.64

00:16:33.000 If anyone dealt with it quickly, it was old Rusty, back in the MTV era. 0.94

00:16:38.000 I was a silly boy back then. 0.80

00:16:40.000 The old drugs, they'll do that to a fella. 0.96

00:16:52.000 And they're doing them patriot drums and everything.

00:16:54.000 They're taking the actual piss.

00:16:55.000 But that's nothing compared to Alex Jones' response to the people.

00:16:59.000 Save our king. 1.00

00:17:01.000 Land of Islamic pantomimes. 1.00

00:17:05.000 Land of satanic evil. 1.00

00:17:07.000 Destroying Ireland and Scotland too.

00:17:12.000 Those are not the actual lyrics, Alex.

00:17:16.000 The lyrics are send her victorious happiness.

00:17:21.000 Happy and glorious land of paedophilia.

00:17:28.000 No, yeah, I mean, those are not the lyrics.

00:17:31.000 Pretty funny, pretty funny from Alex Jones.

00:17:33.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:17:34.000 Because what is the special relationship between the United Kingdom and the United States now?

00:17:38.000 What is the City of London?

00:17:40.000 Why is the City of London protected from jurisdiction?

00:17:43.000 Why have they got weird different tax laws there?

00:17:45.000 What on earth is going on?

00:17:46.000 Where is real power?

00:17:48.000 Certainly, many people now don't believe that real power is held within the executive branch of the presidential office itself, even if when it comes to.

00:17:56.000 Significant stuff like, you know, I don't know, advancing holy wars in the Middle East.

00:18:00.000 But let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:18:03.000 What is this ceremony truly about? 0.98

00:18:05.000 Certainly not chivalry, because here is Camilla being cut down in her prime by an advancing, handshaking Donald Trump.

00:18:14.000 Although, as a true Brit, you know, Camilla is a difficult pill to swallow because many of the Brits, it's still Diana.

00:18:22.000 Five, six, seven, eight, nine, six, seven, eight, nine, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, nine, ten, nine, ten, nine, ten, Strong Biden vibes from Charles there.

00:18:22.000 Diana!

00:18:42.000 He looks like he's about to reverse through that hedge right out of there.

00:18:53.000 I suppose that's what Trump is about power in such an overt and readable and obvious ways, whether it's power plays like handshakes, glib announcements on Truth Social, power, vivid, lurid power.

00:19:08.000 And I suppose, isn't that what was appealing in the first instance?

00:19:11.000 Oh, this guy is playing about it.

00:19:13.000 Obvious, not like them insidious, caring, sharing, peculiar figures, your Bidens, even your Obamas, that kind of a newly emergent and evolved form of power, slick and charismatic, but still leads to the financial crash, still leads to droning in Syria, still leads to the same kind of interest.

00:19:32.000 I mean, if all this concern that seems to be defining the American political space right now, if we say, for example, it's either, is it the total lack of trust in the post Epstein Files era?

00:19:41.000 Is it the sense that Israel has undue influence?

00:19:44.000 What What is it?

00:19:45.000 What is the issue that's defining American politics right now?

00:19:48.000 Well, whatever it actually is, it seems to span the Trump, Biden, Clinton, Obama, Bush.

00:19:57.000 It goes beyond that.

00:19:58.000 So, you know, what are we going to do with all this paraphernalia, all this mad pageantry, whether it's the lunacy of our country, the United Kingdom, and all of our, what I want to say, like our cenotaphs and our emblems and our livery or yours?

00:20:13.000 Where is real power?

00:20:16.000 Is real power.

00:20:18.000 Here, Trump, Charles also addressed Congress, I feel.

00:20:23.000 Yeah, that's what this one is.

00:20:24.000 And let's have a, and Trump does a nice little joke because of the No Kings protest, I guess.

00:20:31.000 Members of Congress, I have the high privilege and distinct honor of presenting to you His Majesty Charles III.

00:20:54.000 See a state visit like this.

00:20:56.000 I wonder how long in advance they plan it.

00:20:58.000 I wonder how explicit they are of the intentions.

00:21:00.000 Do you wonder that it might be motivated by an awareness that the British government is deeply unpopular and that, in all likelihood, Nigel Farage will be the next Prime Minister of our country, a coalition between the Conservative Party and Reform Party, and that the monarchy have to position themselves favourably for those forthcoming events?

00:21:21.000 Furthermore, what do you Americans think? 0.54

00:21:23.000 Because it seems like the Americans there were right turned on and into our British power. 0.67

00:21:27.000 They were. 0.85

00:21:28.000 They were foaming at the gack to get their fingers all over Charles.

00:21:33.000 What do you think?

00:21:34.000 You'd be still a bit turned on by British monarchy?

00:21:36.000 I don't know, not by Charles.

00:21:39.000 I think it had its moment.

00:21:41.000 Everybody loves the Queen. 0.78

00:21:42.000 Yeah, she was good.

00:21:43.000 Everybody loved Diana.

00:21:45.000 Beautiful.

00:21:47.000 They don't really care about that.

00:21:49.000 The boys are, I mean, they're still kind of interesting.

00:21:51.000 The boys.

00:21:52.000 Harry and Willie.

00:21:53.000 Yeah.

00:21:53.000 Those lads.

00:21:54.000 I think they've even lost a little something.

00:21:56.000 Lost a little luster when they went bold. 1.00

00:21:58.000 Needs to be a woman. 1.00

00:22:00.000 You want a woman one? 1.00

00:22:01.000 What? 1.00

00:22:01.000 It's better with a woman? 1.00

00:22:02.000 Victoria, Elizabeth I, Elizabeth II? 1.00

00:22:02.000 What? 1.00

00:22:04.000 You think women, queens? 1.00

00:22:05.000 Yeah, queens should have been. 1.00

00:22:07.000 Yeah, because there's someone to fight for, for Queen and Country.

00:22:09.000 You feel like you're doing it for like this chick, this sublime chick. 1.00

00:22:12.000 Whereas for Charles, he gives a shit. 0.99

00:22:14.000 He would have done, get out there. 1.00

00:22:16.000 They set him up for years to be like a weak, like kind of squirrely, like everything that we even saw on TV.

00:22:24.000 Well, the crown.

00:22:24.000 You're talking about the crown.

00:22:25.000 Or even before.

00:22:26.000 That's not real life, you know.

00:22:27.000 Anytime you ever saw him, even with.

00:22:28.000 Because I guess from Diana, I mean, that's ultimately where he went.

00:22:32.000 Wrong.

00:22:33.000 It's weird.

00:22:34.000 Hey, do you know what I heard the other day?

00:22:35.000 I heard that the social network, brilliant film.

00:22:37.000 Is it Fincher that made that?

00:22:40.000 I really love it.

00:22:41.000 But I just saw someone, I think maybe on Sean Ryan, saying that whole film's a total blag.

00:22:47.000 Zuckerberg's an asset.

00:22:48.000 He's owned the whole idea of some entrepreneurial figure.

00:22:52.000 Like, oh, he's a genius.

00:22:53.000 He came up with Facebook and he explained it.

00:22:56.000 This man said, look, the CIA already had this thing.

00:22:59.000 It was called Life Fun or something.

00:23:01.000 And it was all of the tech that was required for Facebook.

00:23:03.000 He goes, look, they just Look, you can see it exists.

00:23:05.000 It's registered before Facebook.

00:23:07.000 The technology exists.

00:23:08.000 And look, you can almost, I think he said, you can see that it's been given to Zuckerberg.

00:23:12.000 So, like, all those sort of figures, even something like I can't imagine that Finch is doing this, but we know when you hear that Hollywood is the propaganda arm of power, do you think it kind of works in that way?

00:23:25.000 Like, let's make a film that makes Zuckerberg look like a weird genius when really he's just a Fed, just an asset.

00:23:33.000 Do you think that's how it works?

00:23:37.000 Look at Asset 35 on the show.

00:23:39.000 That's Buzz Aldrin telling Conan O'Brien that he actually saw an animation of the moon landing, which reminds me of people saying, Did Stanley Kubrick do the fake moon landing thing?

00:23:48.000 Yeah, so little trust.

00:23:49.000 I mean, before the show started, we were talking about how even events like the assassination attempt at the press correspondence, we don't care really anymore.

00:23:58.000 It's like, oh, there's so much going on.

00:24:00.000 And even then, things are real serious, like the Iran war.

00:24:02.000 It's like, I ain't got time to care about this.

00:24:05.000 Bewilderment, so much comments.

00:24:06.000 I mean, you know, with the thing with me on Piers Morgan the other day, if something sort of somewhat innocuous, like me leafing through the Bible trying to find a quote, can glean that much attention, it starts to make you wonder about what the hierarchy of interest is really built around.

00:24:23.000 What appetites are being fulfilled?

00:24:26.000 And, you know, do we care about the monarchy?

00:24:28.000 I'm talking about Brits.

00:24:29.000 Or do we care about the crown?

00:24:31.000 Do we think that Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, et cetera, et cetera, there are these weird entrepreneurial geniuses?

00:24:36.000 Or are we starting to suspect that actually.

00:24:39.000 In the same way that the electromagnetic light range is limited by our sensory capacities, our understanding of real global politics is similarly limited.

00:24:49.000 And all of the real power and all of the real decisions are taking place beyond our control, whether that's who's going to be president and whether or not that president's going to go to a war or not commit a country to war.

00:25:04.000 The real power is moving invisibly and insidiously beyond our reach.

00:25:09.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.

00:25:11.000 I think increasingly that's what people generally think.

00:25:13.000 And hasn't it induced the sort of fatigue where you can't even really care about massive wars that will, in various economic and maybe even Mortal ways affect your life.

00:25:24.000 Here on Conan, is Buzz Aldrin saying that he saw an animation of the moon landing?

00:25:29.000 Is he saying that?

00:25:29.000 I mean, I've not watched this yet, but Massey thinks that it's an appropriate asset to help us understand our kind of fatigue and weariness and the abundance of information and the lack of trust, really, in any of it.

00:25:40.000 Let's talk about this because this is fascinating.

00:25:42.000 I remember very clearly, I think anybody who was alive at the time does.

00:25:45.000 I remember my parents waking me up and we went down and we watched you guys land on the moon.

00:25:50.000 No, you didn't.

00:25:51.000 What?

00:25:52.000 Because.

00:25:53.000 There wasn't any television.

00:25:54.000 There wasn't anybody taking a picture.

00:25:55.000 You watched animation.

00:25:57.000 See, you associated what you saw with.

00:26:00.000 I have very hazy memories.

00:26:01.000 I know.

00:26:02.000 Well, no, but what we saw was we all were gathered around the old curve top radio and listened.

00:26:06.000 And we were talking about, you know, how many feet we were going to the left and right.

00:26:10.000 And then I said, contact light, engine stop.

00:26:14.000 It was exciting.

00:26:15.000 And then Neil said, Houston, Tranquility Base, the Eagle has landed.

00:26:15.000 A few other things.

00:26:20.000 Man, how about that?

00:26:21.000 That was very exciting.

00:26:22.000 Not a bad line.

00:26:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:24.000 This was.

00:26:25.000 Buzz Aldrin does there appear to be inadvertently revealing that whatever the footage was that America watched on that famous night, it was not direct footage.

00:26:35.000 And many people who question the veracity of the moon landings similarly say, well, the tech weren't available then.

00:26:40.000 You can't get a phone signal, all that kind of stuff.

00:26:42.000 And that's an interesting and unusual moment that's difficult to find.

00:26:46.000 What on earth was Buzz Aldrin saying if not it was an animation?

00:26:51.000 Pretty clear.

00:26:52.000 Further evidence to the mistrust and distrust of that.

00:26:56.000 Situation.

00:26:57.000 Immediate aftermath of 9 11 when NATO invoked Article 5 for the first time.

00:27:03.000 It's weird to consider what Charles is going to say.

00:27:09.000 Who writes this?

00:27:10.000 What is the intention?

00:27:12.000 Where does it get approved?

00:27:14.000 Because, in a sense, our king doesn't have any constitutional power.

00:27:18.000 A monarch is a symbol.

00:27:20.000 So, what we're watching is PR.

00:27:22.000 We're watching PR.

00:27:24.000 And it says here that what he's going to talk about is Ukraine, Russia.

00:27:29.000 It's interesting.

00:27:30.000 He's going to advocate for war and war spending.

00:27:34.000 The United Nations Security Council was united in the face of terror.

00:27:40.000 We answered the call together, as our people have done so for more than a century, shoulder to shoulder through two world wars the Cold War, Afghanistan, and moments that have defined our shared security.

00:27:55.000 Today, Mr. Speaker, that same unyielding resolve is needed for the defense of Ukraine.

00:28:03.000 and her most courageous people.

00:28:14.000 Pelosi's well into it.

00:28:16.000 You know, I sometimes think we're like ducklings imprinting our affections on what we see while we're vulnerable before our eyes are barely yet open.

00:28:26.000 A monarch, a king, I reckon, even if you're someone that's important and powerful and you meet a king, part of you can't help but feel, oh, wow, like when I was a kid and I saw this royal wedding or the death of this person.

00:28:38.000 I'm part of the continuum now.

00:28:40.000 Look, here I am meeting Leonardo DiCaprio or here I am meeting Grace Kelly.

00:28:46.000 Or whoever you have personally anointed and appointed to be powerful.

00:28:50.000 Of course, though, a king is literally supposed to be God's chosen one.

00:28:53.000 And the crowning ceremony, the coronation ceremony of a British monarch, includes a very mysterious moment that is veiled and an oil anoints them out of sight.

00:29:03.000 I don't know if the crucifix is applied actually because you're not allowed to see it because it is literally meant to be a cult, set apart, sacred.

00:29:11.000 Now, if you watch a lot of peripheral, less peripheral these days, online content, you're Be aware that many people believe that these powerful families, including the British monarchy, are connected to real peculiar occultist power.

00:29:26.000 That's difficult for me because, you know, I had those meetings with them, of course, real fleeting.

00:29:31.000 That wouldn't be enough to tell if someone was a reptile or not.

00:29:34.000 But I also know people that are like good friends with, like Charles, like friends of my wife, for example.

00:29:41.000 And I remain friends with one particular woman who I really love, actually, who's married into the royal family.

00:29:50.000 And it's a little bit like, you know, having been.

00:29:52.000 Around and married to Katy Perry, and people say she's got a handler, CIA handler.

00:29:57.000 And because I know that that isn't true, it kind of muddies, or at least if it's true, it's not something I've got any evidence or experience of.

00:30:07.000 It muddies the water, even with things that I myself believe, i.e., that there is a cultist power.

00:30:13.000 Like, I wonder if you know, I've met you know, the sort of some of the Trumps and stuff like that, and been in Mar a Lago and been in those environments.

00:30:21.000 Are we saying and are we believing, and is it important?

00:30:26.000 They've got these occultist interests.

00:30:27.000 I mean, that's the stuff, isn't it?

00:30:30.000 Are they in robes?

00:30:31.000 Are they worshiping Moloch?

00:30:32.000 Does that stuff matter?

00:30:34.000 Is it enough to just rationally understand how power is maneuvering and what gets done and what doesn't get done?

00:30:40.000 Or do we need some kind of mad occultist myth to motivate us?

00:30:45.000 I don't know.

00:30:46.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:30:48.000 What we can say for certain is Donald Trump did a sarcastic parade of people dressed in revolutionary paraphernalia.

00:30:54.000 The king advocated for more war expenditure.

00:30:58.000 And.

00:30:59.000 I suppose you sort of don't you in a moment when you see Nancy Pelosi furiously applauding, advocating for prolonging a war that probably can't be won by Ukraine against Russia, that we're all just in some mad simulation?

00:31:14.000 Let me know what you think in the comments chat.

00:31:16.000 I think we sort of more or less are.

00:31:18.000 I think maybe the real powerful people are you're not seeing those guys.

00:31:23.000 Yeah.

00:31:23.000 Like they're not probably in the public eye as much or hide it a lot more.

00:31:28.000 They're using the people in the public eye in some sort of way or fashion.

00:31:31.000 I think those guys are behind the scenes. 0.50

00:31:33.000 You know, it's not that long since they threw formerly Prince Andrew, not Prince Andrew anymore, because of his involvement in the Epstein files.

00:31:43.000 And my general sense is if the person can be sacrificed, they're not that close to power.

00:31:51.000 I've heard people say that probably Epstein weren't really that powerful, it was just a broker, an agent, whatever.

00:31:55.000 How far does this stuff go?

00:31:56.000 How deep does it go?

00:31:58.000 And how can we sort of even maintain an interest in something like this type of pageantry when we really can't even be bothered to pay attention to?

00:32:07.000 Horrific, terrible wars in which some Americans have already died.

00:32:11.000 If only there was some way of knowing what's actually going on, maybe via lip reading you can tell by lip reading apparently, at least that's what's claimed here.

00:32:18.000 A lip reader has revealed what President Donald Trump and King Charles whispered about in the opening moments of the British monarch's trip to the White House on Monday.

00:32:28.000 Nicola Hickling told the Daily Mail that the president brought up both Saturday's shooting at the White House correspondence dinner and disturbing news about Russian President Vladimir Putin during the brief exchange.

00:32:41.000 Told the king on the shooting, I wasn't prepared, but now I am prepared, before telling him that Putin wants war.

00:32:50.000 The king tries to brush it off with, We will discuss this later, before the president warns, I've got a feeling if he did what he said, he will wipe out the population.

00:33:01.000 Once again, the king tries to end the conversation on.

00:33:04.000 There's a real small talk disjunct between those two, and they're like, Trump's small talk is, I got a feeling it's going to wipe out a whole population.

00:33:13.000 And Charles's like, Can we just go inside?

00:33:16.000 Like, that's not a good rapport.

00:33:19.000 Like, one person saying there's going to be a genocide, and another person saying, I'm here for tea.

00:33:26.000 Okay, genocide, you say.

00:33:28.000 Ah, the wrists, they're chalking into naught but dust.

00:33:31.000 Let's see if I'm ready to watch this yet.

00:33:34.000 Is that the Bible you took to court?

00:33:36.000 Sometimes I feel like you're not listening.

00:33:38.000 No, still hurtful.

00:33:39.000 Don't like that.

00:33:40.000 It's not nice.

00:33:41.000 Hurtful, very hurtful.

00:33:42.000 Very unfair.

00:33:43.000 Especially me, a person with.

00:33:45.000 Addiction issues, especially me, an author of How to Become Christian in seven days, available now from Tucker Carlson Books.

00:33:51.000 Get your copy, let me know.

00:33:52.000 Hey, let's do a book club.

00:33:53.000 Let's do a read along.

00:33:55.000 In fact, I'll read a passage from it now that I've prepared.

00:33:57.000 Yeah, I'm not doing that joke again today.

00:33:59.000 Hey, it's time now for crack on.

00:34:02.000 Let's crack on.

00:34:03.000 Some of us are struggling with addiction.

00:34:06.000 Are you struggling with addiction?

00:34:07.000 And let me know too if you watch Sunday service, me and my wife, just chilling and being with the Lord together.

00:34:13.000 We're trying to make content that's a little bit more enriching.

00:34:16.000 One thing I did feel when I was sort of like the Piers Morgan thing.

00:34:19.000 Right.

00:34:19.000 I like you when you're holding a guitar.

00:34:21.000 It makes me really feel like I'm the lead singer.

00:34:23.000 You're the lead guitarist.

00:34:24.000 Dave, he's now Joe's playing the drums because the drummer's always on the brink of Cause the Fight.

00:34:31.000 Massey would play some sort of instrument like a sitar that no one ever likes.

00:34:36.000 He's the actual drummer.

00:34:37.000 That's the one thing I can bring to the table.

00:34:39.000 Yeah, he's an actual drummer, isn't he?

00:34:41.000 No, he brings a lot to the table.

00:34:43.000 He makes those things.

00:34:44.000 Dave, what's Dave doing?

00:34:44.000 Managing the whole band or is he rhythm section?

00:34:47.000 I don't know.

00:34:48.000 Anyway, my point is like, what's compromising?

00:34:53.000 Is when you're when you sort of know that the culture is broken in every kind of con in every conceivable way that it's a kind of an evil thing.

00:35:04.000 When you go into it, you have to acknowledge that you are going into it.

00:35:09.000 Why are you going into it?

00:35:10.000 What do you want?

00:35:11.000 What are your motivations?

00:35:12.000 You have to check your own motivations.

00:35:14.000 You have to, you know, and if your own motivations aren't good, and I suppose sometimes mine aren't, at least your only motivation should be serve God.

00:35:20.000 And if you're not doing that, you're in serious trouble.

00:35:23.000 Um, all right, let's do uh, let's do it's time now for.

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00:36:16.000 Joe, I see you've bought Working with Others is what we're going to focus on today.

00:36:22.000 And could you talk us through that and what that is?

00:36:26.000 Do you want to do the reading?

00:36:27.000 Have you got it, or shall I do it, mate?

00:36:28.000 You do the reading.

00:36:30.000 All right.

00:36:31.000 Two days later.

00:36:31.000 I'll bring up another bit that's relevant to it.

00:36:34.000 All right.

00:36:35.000 Two days later, a future fellow of Alcoholics Anonymous stared glassily at the strangers beside his bed.

00:36:41.000 Who are you fellas?

00:36:43.000 And why this private room?

00:36:45.000 I was always in a ward before.

00:36:47.000 Said one of the visitors, We're giving you a treatment for alcoholism.

00:36:51.000 Hopelessness was written large on the man's face as he replied, Oh, but that's no use.

00:36:57.000 Nothing would fix me.

00:36:58.000 I'm a goner.

00:36:59.000 The last three times I got drunk on the way home from here, I'm afraid to go out the door.

00:37:04.000 I can't understand it.

00:37:06.000 For an hour, the two friends told him about their drinking experiences.

00:37:10.000 Over and over, he would say, That's me.

00:37:12.000 That's me.

00:37:14.000 I drink like that.

00:37:16.000 Joe, why?

00:37:18.000 Well, there's a little bit more of that reading.

00:37:20.000 What page was that on, Jake?

00:37:21.000 Oh, hold on.

00:37:22.000 Another page.

00:37:24.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:37:27.000 I was having some trail mix.

00:37:29.000 I was having some trail mix, all right?

00:37:31.000 Is that a crime now?

00:37:33.000 Russell Brand, add some trail mix.

00:37:36.000 Russell Brand grabs nuts by the nuts.

00:37:39.000 Yeah, let me get some of those.

00:37:41.000 And berries by the berries.

00:37:47.000 The man in the bed was told of the acute poisoning from which he suffered, how it deteriorates the body of an alcoholic and warps his mind.

00:37:54.000 There was much talk about the mental state preceding the first drink.

00:37:58.000 Yeah, that's me, said the sick man. 0.85

00:38:00.000 The very image.

00:38:01.000 You fellows know your stuff, all right, but I don't see what good it'll do.

00:38:04.000 You fellows are somebody.

00:38:06.000 I was once, but I'm a nobody now.

00:38:08.000 From what y'all tell me, I know more than ever that I can't stop.

00:38:13.000 At this, both the visitors burst into a laugh. 0.97

00:38:17.000 Said the future fellow Anonymous, Damn little to laugh about that I can see. 0.97

00:38:22.000 The two friends spoke of their spiritual experience and told him about the course of action they carried out. 0.80

00:38:27.000 That's page 157 of the big book of Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:38:34.000 So, that little bit there towards the end, right?

00:38:37.000 He said, I used to be somebody and I'm a nobody now.

00:38:42.000 And then they laugh, right?

00:38:44.000 They're laughing and it mentions they share their spiritual experience.

00:38:48.000 And it's like, I think people overlook that.

00:38:51.000 So they're laughing because what he's sort of saying is, I used to be someone, I had this identity, I had this job, this role, and I was someone in society.

00:38:58.000 But he was an alcoholic, couldn't stop drinking, right?

00:39:01.000 So the whole idea of the process of the 12 steps and having a spiritual awakening is the complete detachment from the illusion of the little self, the little avatar that you've built up.

00:39:11.000 And they're laughing, like, oh, you think you were someone, dear?

00:39:13.000 Well, look at the state here.

00:39:14.000 You've got to let go of all that.

00:39:15.000 That's the whole idea of these steps.

00:39:18.000 And I like that little bit there.

00:39:20.000 So, like, I think a lot of people when they first get sober, Fall under the illusion that now I'm going to get sober and I'm going to achieve this and that and I'm going to be someone, I'm going to do something.

00:39:30.000 And it's the complete opposite.

00:39:32.000 You've got to let go of that because that, I think, feeds into the illness.

00:39:35.000 And sometimes it's what keeps us trapped in addiction, is that wanting more.

00:39:42.000 But I was listening to a talk today from Tim M.

00:39:46.000 I know we mentioned him a lot on this podcast.

00:39:49.000 And he likens it to playing a character.

00:39:53.000 Yeah.

00:39:53.000 Like if you were, if you're an actor and you were playing a character and saying, like Macbeth, yeah.

00:39:58.000 And your character gets murdered in it, yeah?

00:40:00.000 And you're playing that show every night and you're getting so attached to it, like it'd be torture.

00:40:05.000 If you didn't know you were the actor, like, oh, I'm going to die again and again and again and again.

00:40:05.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:40:10.000 And it's learning to, like, oh, we're spirit, we're spirit having a human experience.

00:40:16.000 And I guess that's the idea of the spiritual awakening is to let go of who you think you are.

00:40:23.000 And I like in the book, there's another reading which I didn't know whether to use this one instead, but this sort of emphasizes the extent you should go to with carrying.

00:40:36.000 The message and practicing the 12th step.

00:40:38.000 It says here, page 97 helping others is the foundational stone of your recovery.

00:40:45.000 A kindly act once in a while isn't enough.

00:40:48.000 You may have to act the good Samaritan every day.

00:40:52.000 If needed, it may mean the loss of many nights' sleep, great interference with your pleasures, interruptions to your business.

00:41:01.000 It may mean sharing your money and your home, counseling frantic wives and relatives.

00:41:11.000 Innumerable trips to police courts, sanitariums, hospitals, jails, and asylums.

00:41:17.000 Your telephone may jangle at any time of the day or night.

00:41:22.000 Your wife may sometimes say she's neglected.

00:41:25.000 A drunk may smash the furniture in your home or burn a mattress.

00:41:32.000 You may have to fight with him if he is violent.

00:41:35.000 Sometimes you'll have to call a doctor and administer sedatives under his direction.

00:41:41.000 Another time, you may have to send for the police.

00:41:45.000 Or an ambulance.

00:41:46.000 Occasionally you'll have to meet such conditions. 0.98

00:41:51.000 Like this week, I've been all fucked up over like work stuff and trying to set up a new little business and dealing with all like bureaucracy and all that sort of stuff and attaching all sorts of like self worth to external bullshit. 0.85

00:42:07.000 And like, really, what it's saying is if you're practicing your 12 step, living it to that extreme. 0.96

00:42:13.000 Like, if I'm doing that, will everything else sort itself out?

00:42:16.000 Or do I just not care that it won't sort itself out?

00:42:19.000 I really don't know.

00:42:20.000 I find it so hard sometimes.

00:42:22.000 I can pull one way or another.

00:42:23.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:42:24.000 And this week it's been like too much worldliness and concentrated on the external.

00:42:29.000 But I feel like God wants me to be well off and in a good position, ultimately, so that I can help other people.

00:42:34.000 But it's always hard, isn't it, to find the balance, you know?

00:42:37.000 I love it.

00:42:38.000 I love that your first observation is, which I'd not seen before, and you know how clever I am, was that that guy has like gone.

00:42:49.000 You know, he's attached to his old identity.

00:42:52.000 And yeah, we do do that sometimes, don't we?

00:42:53.000 Lament, you know, lament.

00:42:55.000 Oh, I used to be this, I used to be that, I used to have this, I used to have that, not recognizing that we were kind of dead in sin or lost in addiction, however you want to look at it.

00:43:05.000 That's a great observation that, you know, I like it that they laugh as well, that they sort of crack up at him and like how insensitive that is when you're visiting a man.

00:43:13.000 That gaze is beating up nurses on the ward and all sorts of things, like an handful, that fella.

00:43:17.000 And I'm like, so.

00:43:20.000 Though, when you sort of then reconcile or counterpoise, as the program indeed does, that false identity in the world with what is required actually to be a genuine person who's walking the spiritual path, like that list, as it gets increasingly specific, is madly hilarious, isn't it?

00:43:41.000 Look, oh, you might have to, your missus might complain, your phone might jangle day or night, someone might set fire to a mattress.

00:43:48.000 I mean, that one must have happened, didn't it?

00:43:50.000 Someone's got set fire to a mattress.

00:43:53.000 In his house.

00:43:54.000 One of my favourite AA 12 step stories was like a guy saying he fell asleep with a fag on, a cigarette on.

00:44:02.000 It caught fire first to his clothes and then the bed while he was asleep.

00:44:06.000 He woke up to find his bed sort of on fire and smoking, got up, pissed all over it to put it out, and then got back in the bed and went to sleep and said, I'm a genius.

00:44:17.000 Only a few people in the world would have thought of that.

00:44:23.000 That's a sort of a mad insight.

00:44:25.000 But like, you know, we might have to issue a sedative, that you might have to fight with someone.

00:44:31.000 I'm thinking of some of what are the hardest things I've had to do.

00:44:35.000 As a person in recovery.

00:44:36.000 And like at the beginning, it says something like it's not the occasional act of kindness.

00:44:40.000 I'm quite inclined towards that modality, Joe. 0.99

00:44:43.000 I'm quite inclined to, oh, this is getting shit. 0.94

00:44:46.000 I better do an act of kindness. 0.96

00:44:48.000 You know, because I get consumed myself, like getting, you know, teased on the internet, say, for not finding the old Bible passage there.

00:44:55.000 Like that's like, ah, I don't like that.

00:44:59.000 You know, but if you were living a life where you were continued, like, I just was totally devoted to, you know, there's people up and down where I live, there's, Treatment centers where there's like women that have been brassing themselves, have had a bunch of abortions from being on the game. 0.97

00:45:15.000 There's geezers that have had the shit kicked out of them by life. 0.96

00:45:18.000 You know, if I spent, I don't know, three hours a week, an hour a day, like directly in the weeds with them, like how am I going to get it up to go, I don't like it when that happens? 0.99

00:45:32.000 I won't be able to get it.

00:45:33.000 I won't be able to get wood for my own self pity.

00:45:37.000 What about you, Dave?

00:45:38.000 Do you do enough, or are you, as we've always suspected, a very selfish fellow?

00:45:47.000 I'll go through seasons.

00:45:48.000 I think of, well, there's a couple things with that passage.

00:45:52.000 One, I love how if you've ever had the experience of having someone that you've struggled with something that all these other people are like, dude, just stop doing that or just curve it down or, you know, what are you taught?

00:46:07.000 They don't understand it.

00:46:08.000 And then you have two guys come in there and they don't preach at you, they just explain.

00:46:14.000 They tell their own story.

00:46:14.000 themselves.

00:46:15.000 They tell their own mental obsession.

00:46:18.000 You know, working with others, when it starts going through it, it talks about how we match their mental states.

00:46:25.000 And so you're not even supposed to talk about the steps until they ask, you know, ask for it.

00:46:32.000 Like, what'd you do?

00:46:34.000 And then you just explain your experience, but you don't go, hey, this is what you need to do, recover.

00:46:38.000 Right.

00:46:39.000 Which I've done that wrong, you know, a ton of times too.

00:46:43.000 I've come in hard and didn't.

00:46:46.000 Didn't it tell my story to have them relate and go, this guy knows?

00:46:49.000 This guy knows.

00:46:50.000 You have to build a deal where you're going, okay, Joe understands what it's like to live with this mental obsession.

00:46:57.000 I love that.

00:46:58.000 I think they laugh also because if you've ever had the experience of when you're seeing someone in it, you get it.

00:47:03.000 You were there.

00:47:05.000 And so they're like, yeah, brother, like that hopelessness, you know, it's almost laughing at themselves of like where they are today of seeing themselves back then.

00:47:15.000 I think that, but.

00:47:17.000 I've had crazy experiences.

00:47:19.000 So when it says burn the mattress, you know, and bite them and send it, like, I've had just about all that.

00:47:27.000 I've had guys catch themselves on fire.

00:47:29.000 I've had, I mean, I have story after story because I ran sober living homes for years.

00:47:35.000 And so I had thousands of guys that came through there.

00:47:38.000 And then I was also so active in AA.

00:47:40.000 I was taking the phone lines at night.

00:47:43.000 Oh, I got plenty.

00:47:47.000 One guy caught himself on fire up in the gymnasium because he was praying for his girlfriend, is what he said when I put the fire and put out the fire on his pants and threw him into the car and took him to the emergency room.

00:48:01.000 And as we're driving, I'm like, what happened?

00:48:02.000 He's like, I don't know.

00:48:03.000 I was just upstairs.

00:48:04.000 I was praying for my girlfriend and I just caught on fire.

00:48:08.000 Turns out he was huffing paint thinner to light a cigarette.

00:48:12.000 His hands caught on fire. 1.00

00:48:14.000 Yeah, my sister calls him liar, liar, pants on fire. 1.00

00:48:16.000 Brilliant. 1.00

00:48:17.000 Perfect.

00:48:18.000 Another one, I had a guy call.

00:48:20.000 I was taking the AA lines at night, and this guy calls and he says, I'm going to kill myself, and then hangs up.

00:48:28.000 And then I thought for a minute, hey, surely I need to call back this number and see who it was.

00:48:35.000 And so I called back.

00:48:36.000 It's a bar, it's city over.

00:48:41.000 And I said, hey, someone called Alcoholics Anonymous.

00:48:44.000 And before I could even finish, they said, yeah, we know who it is here.

00:48:48.000 And they give this guy a number, and I said, Hey, I'm going to come.

00:48:52.000 I'm going to come there and talk with you.

00:48:55.000 You know, there's a, I looked it up and I'm like, Hey, there's a IHOP nearby.

00:48:59.000 I'll take you over and get you a cup of coffee and talk with you.

00:49:02.000 He said, I'll be in the guy, I'm the guy in the bar that looks like Gary Busey.

00:49:07.000 Sure enough, the dude looked just like Gary Busey.

00:49:11.000 And I spent the whole night, I mean, whole night just keeping the guy alive.

00:49:17.000 To be honest, I mean, he tried to jump out of the vehicle going down the highway multiple times, pulled out a knife on me at one point.

00:49:26.000 He tried to start a fight with a gang at a gas station.

00:49:31.000 You know, it was quite a night, you know, and I wouldn't let him drive his car.

00:49:38.000 And so, but then I got a call from him about a month later, just randomly.

00:49:44.000 He's like, you know, remember that guy?

00:49:46.000 He's like, I've been plugged in, I just did my four step, and, you know, Which is really cool.

00:49:52.000 I haven't heard from him since, but I have story after story of things like that.

00:49:59.000 I've had to take a lot of guys to the hospital that have OD'd.

00:50:03.000 Some have made it, some of them we didn't get there in time and they died in my car.

00:50:08.000 I've woken dudes up that were dead.

00:50:10.000 I mean, I just had a lot of those experiences, which was so helpful for me at the time because I could, it's almost like you, if there's a scale on that, I was so weighed on this side, right?

00:50:23.000 Where, and especially.

00:50:26.000 Early in sobriety, if you're going to go one way or the other, go more into helping with others than worry about career and job and getting my life.

00:50:34.000 And amazingly, in some ways, that elevated my life.

00:50:39.000 Like just getting out of self, helping others.

00:50:42.000 Like, I don't know if I'd be where I am today worldly if it wasn't for that.

00:50:47.000 I think God will handle those other things.

00:50:51.000 But I do think you can't, I mean, the book even says you can't make a soul vocation of it.

00:50:57.000 You know, you have to take care of your family.

00:50:59.000 You have to have.

00:51:00.000 Breaks and go on date night with your wife and do stuff like that too.

00:51:06.000 Joe, you got some good ones of getting stuck in?

00:51:11.000 No, only one.

00:51:12.000 I've been on one little 12 step call to a fella who was drinking, and me and my mate went around there and it was just to sit with him.

00:51:19.000 I think his wife had called my friend, and we went around there and sat with him and took the vodka off of him and all that.

00:51:25.000 I actually felt quite guilty for taking it off him because he still wanted to drink.

00:51:28.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:51:29.000 So I was a little bit conflicted with it.

00:51:31.000 I kind of thought, really, you've got to let this run its course.

00:51:34.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:51:35.000 Like, it's the same.

00:51:37.000 You know, when people get up and leave meetings and stuff when they're new in and all that.

00:51:41.000 Like, I've done that.

00:51:41.000 I remember doing it when I was a year sober.

00:51:43.000 It was one of those meetings where it goes round and it shared one person shares, then the next person, the next person going around the room clockwise.

00:51:50.000 And I was like, I didn't really want to share, I half wanted to drink, and it got to the person next to me, they shared, and then they opened it up for open sharing.

00:51:57.000 I've like lost my head, got up and walked out.

00:52:00.000 I went to drink, but the only place I could find was an Indian restaurant, and it just shut as I went to get in.

00:52:05.000 But I did drink the next day anyway, and it was chaos, and it lasted a good few days. 0.68

00:52:10.000 But ultimately, like that was going to happen anyway.

00:52:12.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:52:13.000 And even if someone did.

00:52:14.000 Follow me out and I'll come back in and listen.

00:52:16.000 Like, you're not going to do it.

00:52:18.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:52:19.000 Maybe you're done when you're done.

00:52:20.000 And I think in that story, there, the guy's like, he's had enough.

00:52:24.000 And he even said to him, Look, I'm a goner.

00:52:26.000 Last time I was here, I couldn't even make it down the road without getting drunk.

00:52:29.000 And I don't know why.

00:52:30.000 Like, he knows he's done and he knows he don't want to drink.

00:52:32.000 But he also knows that he's going to.

00:52:35.000 And I think that's when that's when step one starting to land, really, because you're acknowledging the absolute futility of it.

00:52:41.000 Like, no matter what I do, I'm going to drink and I don't want to drink and I don't know why.

00:52:45.000 And then it's like you're receptive to, Recovery, I think, like that's the little window of opportunity.

00:52:51.000 But I haven't really got many stories of that, to be honest with you.

00:52:54.000 And I think, like, on the topic of living the 12 step predominantly, like that is your main focus in life, carrying this message and the other stuff, the worldliness, it'll either come or it won't.

00:53:07.000 You'll either get successful with a business or whatever.

00:53:10.000 Maybe it comes, maybe it don't.

00:53:11.000 I don't know.

00:53:12.000 And I'm curious to know what you two think.

00:53:14.000 Has this changed in AA or any 12 step fellowship over the years?

00:53:19.000 Like, Where I'm a little bit younger for some of the meetings that I go to, all that look, I'm five years and the obsession to drink and use drugs has been removed.

00:53:28.000 And for me, that's a miracle.

00:53:30.000 I couldn't have imagined that in the beginning.

00:53:32.000 So that's what everyone's there for, right?

00:53:35.000 And if you're new and you can't stop drinking, it shouldn't matter who it is that carries that message to you.

00:53:40.000 It's just you need it, right?

00:53:42.000 But I think a lot of people look at sponsorship and they think, well, what have you got?

00:53:47.000 What makes you attractive to me?

00:53:49.000 Do I want what you've got?

00:53:50.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:53:51.000 It's almost like that old thing that guy's saying, I used to be someone and I'm going to be like that little delusion that you're going to be something is still there and it's so strong that sometimes people might look at someone like me and think, not him. 0.94

00:54:04.000 You want someone who's pulling up in a fucking Rolls Royce or you know what I mean? 0.92

00:54:09.000 Looks like they've got their shit together in the material sense because you think, oh, I want a bit of that. 0.99

00:54:13.000 It appeals to the ego still, you know? 0.87

00:54:15.000 So I find it quite difficult to find enough people to help, although I am willing.

00:54:21.000 Although maybe I need to be more willing and I don't know, go to some sanitariums or jails or something by the sound of it.

00:54:28.000 We've all got to face that fissure, that contradiction, that dichotomy between worldliness and the world of the spirit and check our motivations.

00:54:41.000 What is it that's making you cross the room?

00:54:44.000 What's it that's making you get out of bed?

00:54:46.000 Someone like, say, Nick the ferret, who's got, I guess he's probably got 50 years now.

00:54:52.000 In 12 step programs, he's not a person who, um, there's a few things that I find very interesting about Mick the Ferret.

00:54:59.000 He's probably 80, I bet.

00:55:01.000 He used to be like a poacher, you know, poach animals in the UK.

00:55:06.000 As you know, gun laws are different and hunting is different.

00:55:09.000 Essentially, it's not easy to get involved in guns and hunting unless you've got money in the UK, really.

00:55:14.000 But once in a while, you'll encounter people on the edges, like people that got BB guns or people that have like hustled with rabbits and ferrets and weasels and stuff like that.

00:55:24.000 And Mick.

00:55:24.000 The ferret is one such, like they do beat in for the main shoots that cost, I don't know, 500 quid a gun and 50 quid a bird to shoot pheasants.

00:55:33.000 Yeah.

00:55:34.000 Like, Mick the ferret is one such.

00:55:35.000 My uncle was a gunsmith, as a matter of fact, so he was sort of around that and around that kind of rural activity.

00:55:40.000 My cousin, he works over here and is connected to gun stuff.

00:55:44.000 Mick the Ferret, hey, he's a kind of mystic of the land, actually, like an old guy that's got loads and loads of time.

00:55:52.000 And the other thing about him is he's not, you wouldn't call him an intellectual either.

00:55:56.000 He's not like, he's not dealing with you from a place of intellect.

00:56:01.000 Now, twice today, I've felt about the idea of you can't transmit what you don't have, and the idea of seek thee first the kingdom of God, actually, somewhat in relation to.

00:56:14.000 What could be without the program I have and the support I have, a kind of a resentment about the experience of going on Piers Morgan.

00:56:23.000 But what you realise when you have a program is what is it that you can learn and could do differently if you've got a particular aim.

00:56:33.000 And what's really come to me is that someone like Mick the Ferret, he would, I reckon, if dealing with a drinking alcoholic, just like listen.

00:56:45.000 And then tell them his story.

00:56:47.000 Or someone like Tim M., who is a robust intellectual.

00:56:51.000 And anyone that goes to 12 step meetings anywhere, you'll encounter all these types.

00:56:56.000 You know, someone like Sandy B., who was like a very mystical but warm, avuncular storyteller, but sort of so clever.

00:57:04.000 And then like sharp intellectuals like Tim M., that have a kind of a priestly Jesuit hardness.

00:57:10.000 You meet all these kind of folk prophets.

00:57:13.000 I sort of think of them as have you had that, Dave, like in your recovery?

00:57:15.000 Yeah, like mentors that like know it.

00:57:18.000 Now, when I'm in my, like, all of us have this priestly aspect, this prophetic aspect, this divine, what you might call in a Jamie Winship way, author of Living Fearless and guest of the show, like, an identity that is your true identity in Christ.

00:57:31.000 And right at the beginning, Joe was talking about identity.

00:57:33.000 Our man there, Bill Dodds, I think was his name, in the bed, that alcoholic number three, he's like talking about his earthly identity.

00:57:41.000 And he's up out of that bed and participating in a political campaign within a week, I think, like, sort of campaign this anchor or another.

00:57:47.000 I'm like, but your identity, what is your identity in the world?

00:57:51.000 When you hear about another identity, Of 12 steps or AA specifically, in this case, Chuck C. I was always really moved by this story that I heard on a Sandy B speaker tape that his job, his world job, was the installation of the kind of freezers that you find in grocery stores and supermarkets where the frozen goods are kept.

00:58:10.000 And but that when he would do his work, he would conduct it in the spirit of the program, which the more I get into it is indistinguishable from the spirit of Christ for me, other than obviously the explicit declaration of Christ, which is a you know requirement of.

00:58:23.000 True Christianity, Christian faith is like you got to live your life in God, whatever it is you're doing, and all the time know what it is you're doing and be rigorously honest with yourself.

00:58:33.000 And if you're coming from fear or desire, if you don't take that to the Lord, you know, to your higher power, like it says in sort of step 10, first pray for God to remove it.

00:58:43.000 Oh, God, I think I'm in fear.

00:58:44.000 I think I'm in desire.

00:58:46.000 If that don't work, talk to another person.

00:58:48.000 If that don't work, inventory it.

00:58:50.000 If that don't work, lean right into helping someone immediately.

00:58:53.000 Stop.

00:58:54.000 Get out of yourself.

00:58:55.000 Start helping somebody.

00:58:56.000 Now, I've been doing this program for a long, long time, and I still don't naturally behave like that or think like that.

00:59:03.000 I still like to double down and drill deeper into self, Chuck C, though, one time, as the story goes, he installed a whole set of freezer units in some grocery store, and they went, Oh, we don't want them there.

00:59:15.000 We want them on the other side, even though they'd clearly asked for them where he'd installed them.

00:59:19.000 And he, Chuck C, just went, No problem, and set it all up on the other side.

00:59:23.000 And like they say that Chuck C wouldn't go, You're best.

00:59:27.000 Cover my costs for this.

00:59:29.000 No, he would like, wouldn't even mention it.

00:59:30.000 In the end, they insist on paying him.

00:59:33.000 Like, it's such a faith in God.

00:59:34.000 And I heard a thing about, like, sort of, what's his name?

00:59:36.000 Is it George?

00:59:38.000 He's one of them sort of Christians that's around the time of Spurgeon.

00:59:41.000 It might be like, or maybe even earlier.

00:59:42.000 But anyway, this dude, George Sanker, runs an orphanage and would make a point of never asking for human, like, never would ask human beings for help or funding ever.

00:59:53.000 Just would go, God, this orphanage, we're going to run it with you.

00:59:56.000 Like, that commitment, like, what I've encountered in saintly people, and the one that comes to mind mostly is Amma.

01:00:04.000 Like, she runs that ashram, 10,000 people.

01:00:07.000 Someone said of her, she don't have a private life.

01:00:08.000 And I thought that was interesting because what they're sort of saying is there's not a bit of her life.

01:00:12.000 Where she goes, and now, though, time for me.

01:00:14.000 Like, one can imagine that Mother Teresa of Calcutta was like that.

01:00:17.000 That Mother Teresa of Calcutta ain't going to go from doing all her devotional work at the hospital and then going, do you know what? 0.56

01:00:22.000 I'm just going to go online and look at some new shoes or there's a geezer I like.

01:00:27.000 I'm going to check him out on Bumble or Hinge or whatever.

01:00:31.000 Like, she ain't ever turning away from God, ever.

01:00:34.000 And that's what that Emma, I felt like that around Emma. 0.57

01:00:37.000 She's obviously not a Christian, she's a Hindu, and the Brahmin class around her believed that it'd be a reincarnation of an aspect of Kali.

01:00:44.000 And certainly she was godly, I'll tell you that.

01:00:47.000 And really, like, the reason I love 12 steps into the Lord, into Christianity, into Christ is because I think it's so foundational, 12 steps, in that it tells you, yes, you've got to stop drinking, right, or taking drugs or whatever.

01:01:04.000 And then you do that, and it's like, oh my God, oh my, I can't cope.

01:01:07.000 Right.

01:01:08.000 Why can't you cope?

01:01:09.000 I don't like myself.

01:01:10.000 I don't like life.

01:01:11.000 I don't like the world.

01:01:12.000 Like, it exposes everything.

01:01:14.000 It exposes, I think, the core issue of addiction, a spiritual thirst and hunger, which obviously was Jung's diagnosis of.

01:01:21.000 You know, sort of a 0.0 alcoholic, also.

01:01:25.000 So, like, of course, in the end, it starts, you're lucky, blessed, that you start with a really clear object drink or drugs.

01:01:32.000 But the problem is, like, all of us, we dismount too early.

01:01:37.000 We get off the train too early.

01:01:38.000 Because it's like, oh, actually, I'm doing sort of all right now.

01:01:41.000 And, like, I see the sounds think that your sort of, you know, your situation, your circumstances, Joe, where you're doing a five year stretch of, ah, I don't know why.

01:01:51.000 Why can't I go back to the railways and earn this and that and have a Mercedes and, ah, you're Bill Dodds, man.

01:01:56.000 I was someone.

01:01:57.000 I used to be someone.

01:01:58.000 But really, God's like, not yet, not yet.

01:02:00.000 It's all from God.

01:02:01.000 It's all from God.

01:02:02.000 That's what I like about the mentorship I'm getting out of Jamie Winship, huh?

01:02:06.000 He's like, when I ring him, he's not like Piers Morgan.

01:02:08.000 Oh, you should have said this, you should have said that.

01:02:10.000 Or why don't you, you know?

01:02:11.000 He's just like, good.

01:02:12.000 That's exactly what you needed.

01:02:13.000 Well done.

01:02:13.000 Excellent.

01:02:14.000 Excellent.

01:02:14.000 What did you learn?

01:02:15.000 Cool.

01:02:15.000 Brilliant.

01:02:16.000 Well done.

01:02:16.000 Excellent.

01:02:17.000 You took all that for two days.

01:02:18.000 They weren't saying gays or trans people or refugees or Muslims or Jews or whatever for 72 days.

01:02:24.000 It was all about you.

01:02:25.000 And those people will be doing that now about something else.

01:02:28.000 And they were doing it before about something else.

01:02:29.000 You took it for 72 days.

01:02:31.000 Nice work.

01:02:32.000 Toughen you up, son.

01:02:33.000 Did it toughen you up?

01:02:34.000 Get ready.

01:02:35.000 Get ready.

01:02:36.000 Might not be your last fight.

01:02:37.000 Might not be your last fight.

01:02:40.000 You know?

01:02:41.000 And I'm like, that's what I feel like I'm going through.

01:02:43.000 And the job is don't ever try and take it back for Russell.

01:02:46.000 I feel it even now like I've jazzed myself up and I want it for Russell.

01:02:49.000 You know?

01:02:50.000 So I guess we've got to take everything as being from his hands, schooling us.

01:02:55.000 Preparing us.

01:02:56.000 And that's in a way I can see that all my conversations, whether it's with Joe Kent or Joe McCann or Piers Morgan or Megan Kelly, it's like the same thing I'm saying is what are we doing here? 0.97

01:03:07.000 Like, what are we fucking doing here? 0.92

01:03:08.000 Like, you know, what do you want? 1.00

01:03:09.000 A blowjob? 1.00

01:03:10.000 A billion dollars? 0.99

01:03:11.000 Like, it's not going to work.

01:03:13.000 It's not going to work.

01:03:15.000 It's not going to work. 0.99

01:03:16.000 And like that, we're lucky, blessed, because we've been the shit, we had the shit kicked out of us again and again and again. 0.99

01:03:23.000 And every time I try and go back into, Make me look good, make me look good. 1.00

01:03:28.000 Bang!

01:03:29.000 Okay, okay, okay, okay.

01:03:32.000 I remember, Just God, just God, just God.

01:03:40.000 If you think about the early days, I love the passage in the book where it says, The desperation of a drowning man.

01:03:48.000 My sponsor would always say, Give me desperation over willingness any day.

01:03:55.000 There's the thought of throwing out a life raft for someone.

01:03:59.000 They don't care what color it is, they don't care what it looks like.

01:04:04.000 They're drowning.

01:04:07.000 They're drowning.

01:04:07.000 Give me anything that will help.

01:04:10.000 You know, will it save me?

01:04:11.000 And I think like my sponsor runs a book bindery business, you know, but man, the hundreds, possibly millions of people he's helped, he's a worldwide speaker.

01:04:26.000 And man, that dude, that dude helps more on a daily basis than I'll help in months.

01:04:32.000 Yeah.

01:04:33.000 Maybe a year, you know, like he, it's like he's, and I look to that and I go, I want that.

01:04:42.000 You know, I'm not looking, going, okay, what's his bank account?

01:04:45.000 What's he driving?

01:04:46.000 What's he's, you know, I'm looking, it's like, man, this dude's got wisdom.

01:04:50.000 Tim M says, like, an hour meeting and then, like, two hours on the phone with sponsees every day.

01:04:56.000 And then I see, like, who was it out there?

01:04:59.000 Like, that dude Clancy that runs all of the Pacific groups out there in LA.

01:05:03.000 That guy, his meetings, everyone wears a suit.

01:05:06.000 He's, God rest his soul.

01:05:07.000 Like, everyone used to, like, dress 50s style, like, for their meetings, like, how you would get a suit on, you know, It's become sort of big, and some people within AA go, Oh, it's a cult within AA.

01:05:18.000 You know how little cults can start within it.

01:05:20.000 But like I heard that that guy just lived it with the same devotion that you would expect of an entrepreneur or a business person, like on it, doing it, but working for God.

01:05:35.000 We can all say that.

01:05:36.000 And I always feel like when people participate in, say, even very big charity things, I think this is bollocks because charity is a subset of the system.

01:05:44.000 It's probably a tax break.

01:05:45.000 Basically, bollocks, you're not affecting the system, you know.

01:05:48.000 That's how I think, and the thing about the direct action aspect of 12 steps, I like as well.

01:05:53.000 And, like, you know, I've got men that I could be helping, I see bliss people that go to meetings that I attend that are regularly in a treatment centers, and I know I should be doing that, and I don't because I'm too selfish, like, you know.

01:06:10.000 And I, well, when you do, I think there's times that I mean, we all could be doing it better.

01:06:16.000 I can be doing better.

01:06:18.000 Joe can, Russell can.

01:06:20.000 But like when there's seasons though, when I am doing it, I'm like, why have I not been doing this every single day and getting it?

01:06:27.000 Why don't I start my day with thinking about others and starting to.

01:06:31.000 It's like pornography.

01:06:32.000 When you stop looking at pornography, you're like, oh God, why would I ever do that? 0.99

01:06:36.000 It's disgusting.

01:06:37.000 And I've not looked at it for about five years. 0.97

01:06:39.000 And then you watch a bit of porn, you're like, oh my God, this is amazing.

01:06:42.000 Why don't I do this all the time? 0.76

01:06:45.000 Like, it's the spiritual version of pornography. 0.99

01:06:48.000 Porn. 0.90

01:06:49.000 When you do good things for others, you realize, oh my God, this is it, this is it.

01:06:54.000 And then you, you know, and then you sort of stop.

01:06:56.000 I always stop because I feel good.

01:06:57.000 I'm like, I feel right now.

01:06:58.000 Let's go back to me again.

01:07:00.000 Yeah.

01:07:03.000 The path, it's pretty clear, really.

01:07:06.000 I mean, they call it a broad highway, don't they, in 12 step literature.

01:07:09.000 And yet they say, narrow is the path as we go along it, as we proceed.

01:07:13.000 As we proceed, it becomes narrow.

01:07:16.000 Somehow, this must all make sense.

01:07:18.000 I guess it's like, I suppose the broad highway part is if Dave is particularly called to do X and Joe Y and me Z, yeah, that's right, Z, not Z, then like, you know, that it can accommodate that.

01:07:30.000 It can accommodate that.

01:07:31.000 But there isn't really what we have to watch out for is the diabolical fallenness of a human being and the tendency just to unconsciously migrate back to self centered, selfish, self centered, selfish, self centered.

01:07:45.000 Jamie Winship in his Living Fearless self promote, self protect mentality.

01:07:45.000 What does he call it?

01:07:50.000 That you go back to self promote, self protect.

01:07:53.000 That from that mindset, you can't succeed.

01:07:56.000 That's what I really like.

01:07:57.000 The actual fellowship it talks about in the big book isn't that we see each other in an hour meeting.

01:08:02.000 Right.

01:08:03.000 That, oh, I see.

01:08:04.000 Are you making the eight o'clock this morning?

01:08:05.000 Okay, I'll be there.

01:08:06.000 That's not really the fellowship it talks about.

01:08:08.000 The fellowship's like when me, Russell, and you go to London and what we're going through, we're talking about our own stuff, but also we're looking for people we can help.

01:08:21.000 When we're in Boca Raton, what, three weeks ago?

01:08:25.000 And the drivers, he was in AA and then he's got someone that's struggling that we call her up on the phone and 12 step on the way that like, When you're around other guys in 12 stepping people and looking for opportunities to be on mission together, that's where I think the real fellowship is.

01:08:44.000 Two things I heard one is if it's not inconvenient, it's not service.

01:08:49.000 I hate that.

01:08:51.000 And also, I don't like that.

01:08:54.000 And God has enough saints, but He always needs drivers.

01:09:01.000 Man, get on, put the yards in, put the yards in.

01:09:05.000 Okay, well, Jake has selected.

01:09:07.000 Did us a beautiful bit of scripture.

01:09:09.000 I'm sure it's beautiful.

01:09:09.000 I ain't looked at it yet to round us off.

01:09:11.000 On hearing this, Jesus said to him, It's not the health you need, a doctor, for the sick.

01:09:16.000 I've not come to call the righteous, the sinners.

01:09:19.000 Why this?

01:09:19.000 Why now, Jake?

01:09:20.000 It's just a reminder we're all in that same place together.

01:09:25.000 It's just a reminder that we're all in that same place together, and that's what Jesus is after.

01:09:30.000 So anybody across any part of their journey, if there's ever like a sense of judgment, Or, you know, we feel like we're better off than anyone else.

01:09:43.000 That's the reminder.

01:09:44.000 It's like he's come for the sick, for the broken.

01:09:47.000 That should be our focus as well to help others and bring them to Jesus.

01:09:52.000 Yeah, and like not be repulsed, hey, when someone is like, because I still now get really annoyed when people are in their addiction or in their sin, in their flesh, as you would say, Jake, or in their brokenness.

01:10:03.000 It's like, oh, I don't like this.

01:10:05.000 Get off.

01:10:07.000 I can handle like, You know, I'm very good at spot checking a junkie.

01:10:11.000 Like, you know, send me in.

01:10:13.000 I'd like to be Delta Force 12 steps.

01:10:15.000 Like, you know, like when people are really messed up.

01:10:17.000 Send me in for that.

01:10:18.000 All right, how's it going?

01:10:19.000 Razmataz, razmataz.

01:10:20.000 But the grind of dealing with the disappointments and all of that kind of stuff.

01:10:25.000 But usually that is a two way thing, isn't it?

01:10:29.000 Anyway, I've got a bit of scripture that I think sums this up perfectly.

01:10:35.000 And it's better actually than Jake's one.

01:10:38.000 Excuse me.

01:10:39.000 I'll be there in a minute.

01:10:41.000 Just a moment.

01:10:42.000 Just give me a second.

01:10:43.000 No, that's not it.

01:10:43.000 It's my new thing that I can do now.

01:10:45.000 All right.

01:10:45.000 Well, thanks for joining us for Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell.

01:10:49.000 If you have got addiction issues with chemicals, there's a whole bunch of anonymous fellowships that deal with that.

01:10:54.000 But for behavioral things, sex, food, gambling, debt, hoarding, you name it, people are addicted to it because we live in a fallen world.

01:11:01.000 But thankfully, there is a way out if you have a spiritual awakening and the ongoing support of a like minded community.

01:11:09.000 Good to be reminded today by Dave that fellowship's not just occasionally turning up somewhere, fellowship is you've got skin in the game.

01:11:15.000 You've got skin in the game, like you're willing to fight and die and bleed alongside the people that you love.

01:11:22.000 And, you know, we're not getting out alive anyway, so it'd be good to have something to believe in.

01:11:27.000 But that's just what I think.

01:11:27.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

01:11:29.000 We will be back next time.

01:11:31.000 Not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:11:33.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

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