In this special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand, Dr. Robert Malone joins me for an interview exclusively, and I ask Dr. Malone about: Is Trump going to be the disruption that changes the world? If you don't know who Dr. Malcolm is, then you're in for a treat. Dr. Malan is an internationally recognized virologist and immunologist, and the original inventor of mRNA delivery and vaccination technologies. He now is an expert in, as we all have to become, CBDCs and how centralised government currencies will be used to control you, surveillance, the censorship industrial complex, the impact of the Trump election, and how governments across the world are running scared. And this is a conversation that will change the way you understand reality. Listen carefully, because he refers to a lot of complex stuff, and it's complex stuff that's going to make you understand why the establishment is so scared of Donald Trump and why you should be too. By the end of this conversation, your eyes will be sparkling, because you'll be bright and wild and ready for the opposition that revolution requires. You're going to love it. - stay tuned for all of it. You'll get a chance to join us live in the stream, where we'll be with you on YouTube for about 15 minutes. You won't want to miss it. And remember, if you're not a member of our Wake and Wonder community yet, you're just watching this on Rumble, which is great, it's a great way to speak freely, become an Awakened Wonder. - it's great! and remember, it s a great place to be part of the Awakening Community. Sincerely. Sincerely, - your host, . Dr. Russell Brand. Dr Robert Malone Rachit Mehta And, as always, thank you so much for being here! - Dr. Jay Shetty Thank you for being a Woke and Wonder - It's an honor to have you been a part of our community, and sincerely - Sincerely - EJ & J.J.D. - R.V. - - Emerica, EJ. ( ) - E. ( ) - Russell Brand (R. & R. ( ) & EJ ( ) . ( ) ( ) ( ( ), Dr. John ( )(
00:02:51.000is an internationally recognized virologist and immunologist and the original inventor of mRNA delivery and vaccination technologies.
00:02:59.000That's why it blew up when he first went on Rogan.
00:03:02.000His appearance on Rogan was probably the moment when the establishment went, we've got to start censoring and destroying Joe Rogan.
00:03:08.000Find some things you can say about that guy that's negative.
00:03:10.000Has he ever said the n-word in a context that we can somehow manipulate to make bad?
00:03:15.000If he starts advocating for ivermectin, the gig will be up.
00:03:19.000Robert Malone was one of the early prophets in the pandemic that helped us to understand that the pandemic was being used to double down on authoritarianism, censorship.
00:03:30.000He now is an expert in, as we've all got to become, CBDCs and how centralised government currencies will be used to control you.
00:03:39.000Surveillance, the censorship industrial complex, the impact on the WHO of the Trump election.
00:03:45.000You Bureaucrats across the world are running scared, and this is a conversation that's going to help you understand it.
00:03:51.000Listen carefully, because he refers to a lot of complex stuff.
00:03:55.000Like in the Netherlands now, they're admitting that the COVID pandemic was a military operation.
00:04:01.000JD Vance talking about NATO aren't going to get their support if the EU keeps censoring free speech.
00:04:07.000This is a conversation that will change the way you understand reality, so stay tuned for all of it.
00:04:12.000Now, we'll be with you on YouTube for about 15 minutes, but because YouTube and Google are part of the trusted news initiative to which Dr Malone refers, that's the set of organisations that ensure there is a harmonised, consider that word, harmonised response to crisis, that...
00:04:29.000And particularly when there are attacks on people, the TNI includes the BBC, numerous massive giant American news organisations and big tech organisations to ensure that if there's a pandemic, everyone reports in the same way.
00:04:44.000Remember, when Caroline Dynage, the government minister in charge of social media back then, demanded I be demonetised, YouTube complied.
00:04:54.000In this conversation, organically, her name comes up because she's married to Mark Lancaster, the head of the 77th Brigade, one of those shady, nefarious organizations that monitor and control online information and engage in citizen management.
00:05:08.000By the end of this conversation, your eyes will be sparkling.
00:05:12.000You will be bright and wild and ready for the opposition that revolution requires.
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00:05:32.000Just yesterday I had a conversation with J. John, and you can join us live in the stream.
00:05:36.000You can also see my conversation with Tucker Carlson, Ruslan.
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00:05:59.000All right, so let's get into our conversation with Dr.
00:06:12.000You've just done an incredible job building this platform, and it's truly an honor to have the opportunity to participate in it.
00:06:20.000Since you joined us for our Oracles series, which is available on locals for members of our community or people that want to additionally pay for that brilliant conversation, the world has changed, obviously, radically, even though that was just a few weeks ago.
00:06:41.000How significant you regard the election of Donald Trump to be and how important having someone like Bobby Kennedy in government will be for making the kind of significant changes that appear to be necessary after the pandemic period and what it revealed.
00:07:00.000Just to be specific for audience members that are perhaps not as au fait with these subjects as you are, which would mean all of our audience and perhaps most people in the world.
00:07:11.000What I mean is how during the pandemic it was revealed that there was a new orthodoxy around big pharma and that because of the convergence of interests that facilitated profits for pharmaceutical companies, the ability to regulate and control for the state, the ability to censor and therefore increase the power the ability to censor and therefore increase the power of big tech, what was revealed to us I suppose was a kind of cross-section snapshot of how globalism operates now.
00:07:41.000How will that type of globalism, not just relating to health, but of course relating to health, be impacted, do you imagine, by the ascendancy of figures like Trump, Bobby Kennedy and J.D. Vance, who sort of have an Odd blend of free market capitalism within them,
00:08:02.000libertarianism within them, anti-establishmentism in the form of RFK. What do you think that's going to be the impact on the type of bureaucracy and sets of powers that I've done my best to outline in the question?
00:08:14.000So that bureaucracy is really well entrenched and it's going to be very difficult to modify and displace it.
00:08:26.000You talk about the ascendancy of Donald Trump.
00:08:30.000And based on the electoral results, the case is well made, I think, that there was significant election interference in the prior.
00:08:40.000If nothing else, then the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:08:45.000But the data suggests that there are unaccounted excess votes in the prior election cycle that are paradoxical.
00:08:55.000In terms of this opportunity that Trump and JD Vance have right now, they're already having an impact, clearly.
00:09:08.000And I was just reading prior to this an excellent op-ed from Mary Harrington at UnHerd, in which she was talking about a lot of this.
00:09:16.000I want to give credit where credit's due.
00:09:18.000And speculating about the already building impact on many European center-right movements and particularly she's selected out Georgia Maloney that this may open up new opportunities for her in terms of political flexibility and may really shift some of the dialogue in the center-right populist movements across Europe and particularly the European Union.
00:09:48.000The discussion about changing status in NATO is something that I've advocated for.
00:09:57.000I spoke about at the Make Europe Great Again conference in Romania and that discussion about the limitations of NATO and its increasing Irrelevance, I think, in a globalized multilateral world that we're in right now is consistent with this ongoing dialogue.
00:10:27.000What is NATO? What are its real functions?
00:10:33.000The discussion is that there might be a prohibition on Ukraine joining NATO for up to 20 years as part of a settlement.
00:10:42.000Getting out of the weeds and focusing more on the big picture, the reaction that seems to be coming across from many of these groups that are closely aligned with what I'm calling the New World Order, because that's the term that's been used now for decades, including by George Bush.
00:11:07.000The appearance is that there is a sense of uh significant of fear and loathing trepidation uh as uh expressed in part by Yuval Harari himself who is uh really kind of speaking in apocalyptic terms that their uh planned great reset Yuval Harari for the audience being uh the science officer behind uh the world economic forum uh and
00:11:37.000uh the author of uh um A whole thread of books that are taught in academia that purport that God is dead and man is God, basically.
00:11:53.000So, Harari seems to be saying that this Trump ascendancy is a major obstacle to achieving the Great Reset and the long-planned Moves to advance the various agendas of the World Economic Forum, which are closely aligned now through treaty, as I understand it, with United Nations.
00:12:19.000So then this response by Tedros almost immediately after the election was fascinating.
00:12:27.000He seems to be distancing himself from what took place.
00:12:35.000So I think in some What the emerging dialogue seems to suggest is that Trump is viewed as a major threat, not only within DC, but globally,
00:12:50.000to these various long-standing plans to move towards these policies that many of us object to, like universal digital ID, central bank digital currency, These various tools that seem to support a globalized government structure.
00:13:23.000So that's what I see is by the reaction of those that have been Acting in a very kind of unilateral, entitled way in advancing non-democratic, autocratic agendas having to do with centralized one-world government.
00:13:52.000Their reactions indicate that they perceive Donald Trump and this new administration as a major threat.
00:14:00.000I think that they may actually be overreacting.
00:14:04.000And I personally, I think that the implementation of policy changes that are being proposed is going to be a lot more of a challenge than many people are assuming is the case.
00:14:18.000Now, for the rest of this conversation, we're going to have to be exclusively on Rumble.
00:14:44.000I suppose if there are domestic institutional challenges that make the implementation of policy difficult, that is by definition a diagnosis of failing systems.
00:14:59.000That means that even with a mandate, a popularly elected president will not be able to put in place policies that they campaigned on.
00:15:08.000That's just the sort of domestic side of it.
00:15:12.000For a moment, to bring a focus to the EU and NATO, it's interesting to learn the bodies that present themselves as logistical, regulatory, and managerial are increasingly becoming dictatorial.
00:15:27.000This is an It's an interesting trend that's grown out of social democracies and social democracies' tendency towards totalitarianism rather than the old 20th century forms of totalitarianism.
00:15:42.000We're witnessing bureaucracies that take power in ways that are surprising because obviously the critiques of the Soviet Union or the critiques of fascism We're about a totalitarian power that is implemented through terror.
00:16:00.000This is a new kind of terror that we're experiencing now, and some of the names that you mention are indicators of the aesthetic and complexion of this new terror.
00:16:16.000I've interviewed him a couple of times.
00:16:18.000When the book Sapiens, perhaps his most famous and popular book, was a sort of a global hit, I was at the same publishers, I think Penguin as him, in the UK, and I did an event with him at school.
00:16:31.000Now, prior to me being as well-versed as I now am in some of these subjects, thanks to media like this, I was thinking as you were speaking, Isn't it extraordinary that because of this media, someone like you,
00:16:47.000who I think 10 years ago would have been regarded as an esoteric academic, who you'd only hear at lecture theatres if you were at an Ivy League university, we can now hear you chatting for three hours on Joe Rogan, if your bladder can take it, And we're able to hear your diagnosis on, you know, the kind of academics and intellectuals that the establishment gives us, like Yuval Noah Harari.
00:17:15.000Now, when I interviewed him at the time, it was at a school in South London as part of a PR stunt to make it seem like what we were doing was super accessible and down with the people.
00:17:25.000Yuval Noah Harari said, so I experienced this first hand, he said, like the kids here, you know, we're going to be living in a fully automated AI society, so these kids best learn skills connected with AI and programming.
00:17:40.000And I, again, this is some time ago, maybe eight years ago, maybe ten years ago, so me, I didn't know as much as I know now about globalism and the threats and challenges to globalism and the way that globalism is being implemented.
00:17:54.000Even then, on some intuitive level, I said, that's not what we should be telling these kids.
00:18:00.000We should be telling these kids to oppose these systems of centralising authority, that they can stand up against it, that it's not a foregone conclusion, that the future doesn't belong to globalism, that life is in session, that debate is happening now, the war beyond the debate is happening now.
00:18:18.000And you also talked about Tedros Adhaman Ghebreyesus, who's, for those of you that don't know, I think, very high up in the WHO. And we've talked a lot on our show about the WHO treaty and how it was being advanced.
00:18:34.000Again, some people said it's the storm.
00:18:38.000Because built into the treaty were things like, social media should be censored if people do not toe the line, as well as stuff like demanding, or at least requesting, taxes from member nations, and requesting that member nations be mandated to take vaccine.
00:18:55.000It's very interesting, as you say, Doctor, to see Tedros Backing out of that position.
00:19:04.000Now people were like, you know, on our channels and channels like ours, people were campaigning and setting up petitions against the WHO treaty, precisely because it was the kind of artifact that suggested there was an appetite to establish global power.
00:19:18.000Not in the way that we were familiar with from the 20th century, fancy uniforms and terrible genocides, but...
00:19:25.000Boring uniforms and still potentially genocides, but genocides conducted more diffusely and across populations.
00:19:34.000I suppose that's not a genocide, but still a lot of people dying.
00:19:38.000It's not a genocide in the strictest sense.
00:19:40.000But it clearly already is an indication that even if you were to accept Trump's detractors personally, Portrait of the man.
00:19:58.000He clearly is a thorn in the side of this kind of trajectory towards centralized authority, digital management, manageable currencies through CBDCs, and he is a spanner or a wrench, in your language, in the machine that's clearly got its sights set upon...
00:20:19.000Creating absolute control using the language of absolute care.
00:20:25.000And you can only justify care of that degree if we are in states of continual crisis, health crisis, military crisis, environmental crisis.
00:20:36.000If people don't believe that they're in continual crisis, they're unlikely to yield to that kind of authority.
00:20:41.000So it's interesting that what you say about NATO is that maybe we don't need NATO in the same way we did...
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00:22:27.000How important by your reckoning, Doctor, are the kind of independent media spaces that we are in now and through which you've gone from being a very respected academic and scientist to being one of the new pantheon of emergent celebrities that's curiously come about and clearly been so impactful in this election cycle?
00:22:49.000How important do you think that social media will be and do you see signs that that will remain under threat?
00:22:56.000Even in spite of this election result.
00:22:59.000So Russell, I want to give you a new term that you could look up and consider.
00:23:07.000And what you're describing, this instead of totalitarianism coming from a single autocratic leader, Um, inverted totalitarianism is, uh, a concept that, uh, this system is emerging from the bureaucracy and that that has become the norm in American government.
00:23:28.000Uh, so we speak of the deep state and in particular, we speak of the senior executive service, which are the, you know, few thousand people that, uh, run the U S government and they are, um, uh, unassailable.
00:23:43.000It's very, very difficult to fire them.
00:23:46.000They have functionally their own union.
00:24:19.000The European Council and the European Union structure in which nation states are subsidiary to a central authority.
00:24:29.000Leave is the basically the structural model that the United Nations is promoting.
00:24:33.000Now in terms of alternative media, I I'm reminded of a report that I read from the Trusted News Initiative about two years ago, and you may recall the TNI is something that's sponsored by BBC. I'm credited by Wiki Spooks as the person who really raised the alarm about the Trusted News Initiative.
00:24:54.000I don't know if that's really true, but I'll take it.
00:24:58.000Trusted News Initiative is one of the tools that the BBC has initiated To manage approved narratives, I think is the best way to put it, globally.
00:25:10.000And a trusted news initiative, kind of like the GARM agreement that Elon Musk sued, that ties together all the advertisers and harmonizes them.
00:25:21.000The TNI is intended to harmonize all of the major, what we call corporate media across the world.
00:25:29.000So, audiency, front press, All the European major outlets, Reuters, Associated Press, New York Times, Washington Post, etc.
00:25:37.000They're all part of the TNI, of course, BBC. And the TNI has a set of rules about content which is provided by their members, which is not aligned with an approved narrative.
00:25:57.000So The way that this works is it used to be that you would have a major outlet, let's say Reuters, publish an article that would then be distributed throughout the corporate news network.
00:26:14.000They would all cross post essentially these kinds of articles.
00:26:20.000And under TNI, they're still allowed to do that.
00:26:23.000But if a major wishes to publish an article which is contrary to whatever the approved narrative is, then the agreement is that they can do so, but the others won't functionally cross-post it.
00:26:39.000You know, the New York Times is allowed to say something, editorialize or whatever, that's contrary to the general thrust of TNI. But then none of the others are supposed to pick it up.
00:26:52.000So TNI is functionally a trade union that is set up to maintain the primacy, the supremacy of corporate media and their ability to control the narrative.
00:27:06.000And they put out a report a couple of years ago that I read in which they talked about the failing corporate media, the Drops in viewership, the drops in revenue, etc.
00:27:23.000And then they had a section in the back talking about new media.
00:27:26.000And the specific poster child, as you point out, was the Rogan podcast.
00:27:35.000So they perceive, as you correctly identify, Rogan as the metaphor for new media and the threat.
00:27:44.000That that represents to their business model, because that's how they perceive it.
00:27:47.000This is a core business model in which they control all information.
00:27:53.000You know, I talk about this in Sidewar.
00:27:55.000The goal here is to control all information that individuals can access in ways that are consistent with the interests of whoever is driving this, whether it's sponsors, nation states, supranational organizations, etc., such as the World Health Organization.
00:28:14.000And clearly they perceive alternative media such as your broadcast as a major threat which explains once you kind of comprehend that that's the ecosystem what I've just described and the structures that are put in place globally these are transnational structures to tie these major organizations together Then it's no surprise that the likes of you,
00:28:38.000as your viewership started to climb, was subjected to a concerted effort to delegitimize.
00:28:46.000Now, for me, I've experienced that, but at a lesser level.
00:28:51.000But then, I mean, the stuff they pulled out on you was pretty hardcore.
00:28:56.000But nothing that either of us have encountered even begins to scrape the surface of what Donald Trump has experienced.
00:29:03.000So this ability of these kind of shadowy bureaucrat administrators that we don't even know who they are.
00:29:13.000And by the way, that's one of the goals in fifth generation warfare is you should not be able to tell who it is behind the messaging.
00:29:33.000So NATO specifically acknowledges that this kind of message management control, media control, information control is a core part of NATO battle operations.
00:29:47.000And they have built a lot of infrastructure in order to do that.
00:29:51.000Of course, that feeds into this growing narrative, thanks to this Dutch I'm a politician that's disclosed the role of NATO in promoting the COVID crisis.
00:30:04.000I think the lovely thing about the COVID crisis is that it's, as you say, it's given us a window to see what these mechanisms and structures are and how they operate and how they're intended to be operating in the future.
00:30:20.000And again, to loop back to your question, clearly alternative media Is a major threat to this.
00:30:31.000I think that Elon Musk has been radicalized based on, you know, in his own experiences with EU and others in Brazil, etc.
00:30:40.000And I don't know that he started off wanting to be the champion of free speech across the globe, but that's the role that he's now thrust into.
00:30:50.000And X is one example, but the open format podcast is another.
00:30:56.000And hence, it's no surprise that these tools of censorship are being very actively weaponized, including debanking.
00:31:09.000I don't know if you've experienced debanking.
00:31:18.000That is our canary in the coal mine about what is most likely to come down with central bank digital currency.
00:31:28.000So yeah, so alt media in this election, I think, someone posted the other day on X that Trump is the first podcast president.
00:31:44.000There's no question that Trump and Kennedy and JD Vance and many others in this political sphere have embraced alternative media to great effect and it demonstrates the failure of in the in the failing business model of corporate news once again as does the collapse of viewership for MSNBC these are American broadcasters MSNBC and CNN a global broadcaster their
00:32:14.000their viewership crashed In the context of this election.
00:32:20.000And what I'm reading is that MSNBC is now up on the block for sale by Comcast.
00:32:26.000So this is how we beat them, frankly, is we make their business model obsolete.
00:32:35.000If they don't have the revenue, they can't sustain operations and they can't sustain these plans.
00:32:41.000They can't sustain the bureaucrats and other administrative folks.
00:32:46.000That are underneath this inverted totalitarianism plan.
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00:34:12.000Fifth generation warfare was not a phrase I'd heard before and many of the ideas that you're Not alluding to, describing, have previously only been located in discourse that belongs to 1980s style deep state conspiracy conversations or a cultist analysis of the true nature of
00:34:42.000the dark power that might be running the state.
00:34:46.000When you talk about fifth generation warfare as being diffuse, I'm reminded of something I once heard about the CIA, is that functionally the CIA was kind of like a hive that you couldn't locate, and even not really like a hive, in so much as a hive would have a queen bee in it, which one might locate and identify as its nucleus.
00:35:10.000The power was diffuse, that it was a Hydra model by nature, that you would never be able to identify the person, one person, that's like, we're doing this, then we're going to do that.
00:35:32.000It's interesting because anyone that's experienced the ire and attack of that machine will know that it has this kind of terrifying, semi-sanitary Kafkaesque quality of that you cannot identify where it's coming from.
00:35:55.000Yeah, because the people that are attacking me in media aren't rubbing their hands together saying, and here we are doing the bidding of the state.
00:36:05.000They genuinely believe they're undertaking an important investigation into the misconduct of a womanizer who on the surface of it was a party boy having fun.
00:36:56.000No one wants to undertake an investigation and learn.
00:36:59.000Like Chomsky said to Andrew Marr some time ago when Andrew Marr, a BBC reporter, said, Well, I'm not participating in the agenda of a state propaganda unit.
00:37:12.000And Noam Chomsky said, If you weren't already primed, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.
00:37:19.000It's already happened before you arrived there.
00:37:23.000And now I know that about the academics that rise to the top.
00:37:27.000Someone sees a Steven Pinker dissertation the same way that Serge Brin and Larry Page were being sponsored by a CIA cutout even while they were...
00:37:42.000Stanford, or wherever it was that they were, and then they're on the conveyor belt at that point.
00:37:48.000The system is- The same is true with a lot of the entertainment industry.
00:38:37.000I've run into multiple people that exist within academe that are CIA agents, trained as CIA agents, and then placed back into academics.
00:38:46.000So this was really well covered by Carl Bernstein in an article in the old Rolling Stone.
00:38:57.000That's available largely, you have to go to the Wayback Machine Or some other alternative source.
00:39:05.000I don't think you can still get it off of Rolling Stone servers, but because Rolling Stone now has got sold and is compromised, just as the Atlantic Monthly is.
00:39:15.000But once you understand, and it's documented, the structure of Operation Mockingbird, which was this, and probably still is in operation, the CIA structure in which there was Payments made to credit accredited journalists,
00:39:37.000as well as I don't know the language stringers, the kind of the second tier people that occasionally write articles and do investigative work for the major publications and their editors.
00:39:50.000So in terms of the structural change, chain of control here, it seems to flow through the editors down to individual reporters, including Uh, those reporters that are not formally accredited.
00:40:06.000The reason why I emphasize this is that I think it was under Colby.
00:40:10.000There was a decision that, uh, they would, that CIA would no longer capitalize the accredited reported pool, but there was no commitment that they would withdraw their funding from these, uh, academics and from the, uh, stringers or whatever you call them, the, the, uh, More informalist informal journalist core.
00:40:33.000So once once you this, this is all fact, well documented.
00:40:38.000Once you see that, and understand that and and understand that that structure was never stopped.
00:40:46.000It was slightly modified in response to public pressure, but it can appears to continue into the present.
00:40:53.000So the in and then then Russell, we have A fantastic document that can be very helpful to people if they want to really understand the structure of these things.
00:41:07.000It came out from the Energy and Commerce Committee of the House last month in October.
00:41:14.000It's a report on a, the slang is Beltway Bandit.
00:41:18.000These are the contracting companies that work for the government that are typically located in and around the DC Beltway.
00:41:28.000And the company's called Forest Marsh and they were paid about 991 plus change million dollars to operate a propaganda campaign throughout the COVID crisis that among other things had a specific objective to increase the level of fear about the virus in order to manipulate or manage human behavior to be more compliant with government policies.
00:41:55.000So this is all documented And the House report is just fantastic because it lays out the specific commercials and the contract language that was implemented by HHS and then the kind of almost daily collusion between, in particular, Rochelle Walensky, who is the head of the CDC, and this major contracting company to promote all this false messaging that was demonstrated to be false.
00:42:24.000And this loops back to Tedros' comment Well, the WHO didn't actually force mandates.
00:42:31.000They didn't actually force these things.
00:42:33.000Well, what they did do was they promoted false narratives that were then reinforced informally through a whole series of structures that centered very much on censorship, defamation, delegitimization, and all the other tools of modern fifth generation warfare.
00:42:51.000There's the best language for it, you know, like Psychological warfare is another term for this, but we've had Schellenberger and others, if your UK audience is not familiar, you can look them up, and Matt Taibbi,
00:43:09.000of course, former Rolling Stone journalist back in the old days, that have documented through the Twitter files, the Facebook files, etc., the growth And extent of the surveillance censorship state structure,
00:43:28.000which is which transcends the United States because we have these various alliances like the Five Eyes Alliance of the intelligence agencies and which is UK, US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
00:43:45.000Some of the most heavy handed COVID responses all came from that and You know, credit where credit's due.
00:43:52.000There's a number of people that have been promoting the thesis that all of this was a military operation.
00:43:57.000And as we mentioned a moment ago, this is now coming out by more peripheral nations disclosing that, in fact, they were pressured into these positions by through their NATO alliance structure.
00:44:12.000So and we have in the UK, You know, I want to get Andrew Bridgen on my podcast, maybe you can get him too, talking about his own experiences with the 77th Brigade and the mutton crew there in the UK. The 77th Brigade was specifically empowered, and we talk about this in the book, the whole genesis of it.
00:44:35.000It's covered in a Wired magazine, which has strong CIA ties.
00:44:40.000In the origins of the 77th Brigade as coming out of your UK marketing capabilities and merging with defense capabilities.
00:44:50.000In the United States, we have an operation that is a core.
00:44:57.000They call themselves the Psi War Soldiers.
00:44:59.000A fantastic recruitment video you can find on YouTube if you want to scare the dickens out of yourself.
00:45:07.000But You know, we have deep capabilities in the United States, Canada, all these nations in the military in psychological warfare.
00:45:17.000And this was all deployed, apparently, according to a variety of press reports from all these countries obtained under freedom of information.
00:45:24.000This was actively deployed against the citizens of their respective nation states under the thesis there had to be a whole of government response.
00:45:33.000So when Tedros says, oh, my hands are clean.
00:45:42.000Tedros, together with the public health infrastructure of those respective nation states, were responsible for distributing what was the approved narrative.
00:45:55.000And then that was all reinforced with the logic of misinformation.
00:46:00.000Remember, misinformation, which I'm accused of, and I'm sure you are too.
00:46:06.000So, the sin of misinformation is saying anything which is contrary to the approved narrative of the time, coming from one of two things, either WHO or your National Health Service.
00:46:19.000So, that's the way that ecosystem works is, yeah, they don't have to reinforce it at the top level.
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00:47:49.000It's extraordinary that there's unlikely to be the required reckoning when we can see now the information that was available relatively near the advent of the pandemic is now being verified.
00:48:07.000And also, if we take, for example, Bobby Kennedy's book, The Real Anthony Fauci, which is where I read for the first time about the sort of connections between bioweapons and vaccines and their fundings, the way that Anthony Fauci has connections to HIV, the way that he earns money through royalties even as a government employee, how difficult it is to track that.
00:48:30.000How diffuse and clandestine his relationship is with other state agencies, the CIA, the way that he communicated with other agencies in order to repress the Wuhan lab leak theory, as it was then known.
00:48:50.000The efficacy of vaccines, the likelihood of adverse events, the foolishness of trying to vaccinate at the height of a pandemic, the importance of vitamin D, the potential effectiveness of ivermectin, all of these things that were bunched together under that term misinformation,
00:49:26.000In the past, when there was centralized control over media, that information could be marginalized.
00:49:33.000And it would only be Alex Jones or David Icke or this sort of early pioneers of this space, who in a sense were in a way the sort of curious forefathers of independent media because they kind of existed, along with, I suppose, what you might call more credible who in a sense were in a way the sort of But to be a credible journalist these days means you have to take oaths of fealty and fidelity to systems that will ultimately prevent you telling the truth.
00:50:00.000That means that you are going to get this more difficult, esoteric and more, I would say, controversial but true information from sources that have already been pre-bunked.
00:50:14.000Now, though, that they have begat a thousand children, most evidently and obviously the sort of totem at the center of it all, Joe Rogan.
00:50:22.000But there are hundreds of voices, Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger, they've been on my show a number of times.
00:50:28.000I've done live events with Schellenberger and Taibbi talking about the censorship industrial complex, how that's playing out in Ireland, how it's playing out in Canada.
00:50:37.000Even someone like me, an autodidact entertainer, I get it.
00:50:42.000When you mention Ursula von der Leyen, I know about her text messages with Albert Baller.
00:50:47.000When the subject of Canada comes up, I know about the truckers' bank accounts being frozen or people that donated through PayPal.
00:50:53.000Like, now we've got such an accumulated wealth of information that their machine has to work so hard to deny and decry and undermine, to smear and attack opponents, to find, as Elon Musk said, citing that Stalin torturer, Show me the man and I'll show you the crime.
00:51:12.000They have to find ways to bring down the opponents in real time while recognizing now that there is a general sense that most countries will be better off with a nativist approach, even if that is reviewed in the most simplistic terms.
00:51:33.000And that sort of plays out across a variety of narratives, whether it's Migration and the way that migration can be used to destabilize populations.
00:51:42.000Granting control to the WHO, which as you've described, they're busily in the business of denying they even tried to do.
00:51:50.000A total mistrust of mainstream media as CNN sack off employees and MSNBC and the BBC, which is, of course, still publicly funded, become more questioned and questionable because of, as you said at the beginning, an institution like the TNI.
00:52:08.000Even I've heard of that, thanks to probably a mutual friend of ours.
00:52:11.000I know what the Trusted News Initiative is.
00:52:14.000I know they likely played a role in the attacks that I experienced last year.
00:52:19.000I know what the 77th Brigade is and who Mark Lancaster is.
00:52:22.000And that he's married to Caroline Dynage, who is the MP that wrote to Facebook, Rumble and X and said Russell Brand and YouTube are saying Russell Brand should be demonetized.
00:53:25.000And probably a concomitant component of this fifth generation warfare that you're describing, which is by its nature diffuse in order to avoid our ability to identify their culprits, is probably a type of hysteria might come along with it, because ultimately the participants can't have a deep faith in what they're doing.
00:53:47.000Even its sort of oligarchal billionaire figureheads, whether that's Soros or Gates, or its superstar politicians like Obama, must surely now be recognizing that the plan is under threat, that the wheels are coming off.
00:54:03.000And there's only so many times you can call people racists and rapists and misogynists before a general population starts thinking, we're better off on that side of the line than on your side of the line.
00:54:14.000It's amazing, though, that there are still protests against Trump going on because people are like, this guy's not my president, not my America, the sexiest pig.
00:54:22.000The turkeys are still trying to vote for Christmas.
00:54:27.000But now there's not 20 million extra turkeys that seem to have disappeared since Biden's election.
00:54:45.000As you say, the wheels are coming off the bus.
00:54:48.000You can see it in that remarkable photograph of Barack Obama as he's going offstage looking like he's just eaten glass fragments.
00:55:00.000And you're right, this is falling apart and they are becoming increasingly desperate.
00:55:06.000And when that happens, it's the moment of greatest peril, which is where we're at right now.
00:55:11.000And I think that there needs, the risk here, as I posted something on Twitter last night, I just finally had to say it, that the truth is, I'm angry.
00:55:23.000I'm angry about what we've experienced.
00:55:25.000I'm angry about what I've experienced.
00:55:27.000I'm angry about the fact that neither political party in this recent election, none of the majors discussed the COVID crisis and the mismanagement.
00:55:37.000That was excluded from the Overton window.
00:56:05.000And the question is, can we move through so you're you're raising the the core thread here is the election results that the left did not anticipate that just happened in the United States and are likely to trigger a cascade across Europe and most of the Western world.
00:56:47.000And this is this happens again and again and again in American pivots is that we have a mandate, a major election, a major disruption and The new folks come in.
00:57:04.000They want change and they want it now because the structure of American politics basically everything runs on a two-year cycle because the house and so the risk that I perceive right now is that we move into a phase where the urge to retaliate is Almost unavoidable.
00:57:39.000And with that will come destructive process, which may have merit, but which will create risks, weaknesses, and vulnerabilities over the near term.
00:57:56.000And that How to manage this in an environment where people feel betrayed and angry is not a trivial task.
00:58:10.000And this is my concern about the appointments that we're hearing from Trump.
00:59:04.000The Director General of the United Nations in promoting the Pact for the Future in Agenda 2030 speaks that, in his own words, we have the best plans.
00:59:15.000And he feels entitled and empowered to implement those plans.
00:59:19.000Those plans have never been tested before.
00:59:22.000And so He is in the United Nations is busy trying to implement these new plans like thesis that it's a basic human right to migrate wherever you want in the world and advancing the climate change agenda and DEI and all those kinds of things.
00:59:50.000Is that as this new wave of firebrands comes in with Trump, that they throw baby with bathwater and that we end up with dysfunctional solutions that are perhaps novel, but perhaps may not be optimal.
01:00:15.000And that I think it's almost inevitable.
01:00:19.000And the consequence will be further disruptions, further turmoil, and frankly, speaking from a Western perspective, the winners in that kind of situation are those entrenched opponents that are taking a long-range tactical and strategic view.
01:00:41.000One, you know, a case could be made, that's the situation with the CCP in China.
01:00:48.000A case can be made that that's the situation with these various entities that sit behind this globalism agenda, and we could name them in terms of these think tanks and non-governmental organizations and large financial interests.
01:01:10.000I don't think it serves any purpose to call them out right now, but we know they're there.
01:01:14.000And those Entities have the advantage of being stable, well capitalized, and able to sit back, let this play out, and then take advantage of missteps that are made in haste.
01:01:36.000And you also talked about the vicissitudes, the sort of bi-annual or every two-year vicissitudes that mean that somehow the polarity created by those movements allows entrenched power to continue to remain entrenched.
01:01:53.000And you talked earlier about how you sort of spoke to a Make Europe Great Again committee.
01:02:02.000What concerns me, I suppose, is that because we've talked around, and I've learned these two terms today, inverted totalitarianism and fifth generation warfare, Because what we appear to be describing is a set of ulterior powers that are by their nature designed to withstand precisely the kind of popular uprisings and populism
01:02:33.000that this recent election is an indicator of.
01:02:38.000And the technology that we have now could be used to create new systems that sustain the mandates achieved in these elections.
01:02:48.000But it is also simultaneously being used as a prophylactic against the success of those systems.
01:02:55.000And because you mentioned network, you know, we're all like my favorite moment in network is like when eventually he sat down in a boardroom with someone who explains to him.
01:03:14.000And I wonder, you know, because we've talked a lot about that power these days, Doctor, being diffuse, and it's unlikely that there is one individual that represents it, that somehow makes it more frightening, that it is so amorphous.
01:03:26.000Like, that, you know, while I'm listening to you, some of the...
01:03:31.000There are many calls, but there's much cause for optimism.
01:03:36.000The nodes throughout this conversation of your concerns, of how, hmm, Bobby Kennedy may not be able to implement policy in this new administration.
01:03:47.000There are ways through global bureaucracy of opposing a figure even as robust as Trump.
01:03:52.000And let's not forget, Trump's already had four years in government, and I know his greatest advocates would say it was better than ever.
01:03:58.000America was getting great again, and it was the pandemic that stopped his ascent.
01:04:10.000There's loads of things that you could credit Trump for if you like him and probably loads of things you could attack him for if you don't.
01:04:18.000We just wrote a substack about this, about Schedule F. So Schedule F was Trump's structure to try to circumvent the power of the senior executive service.
01:04:30.000And what is functionally what it was designed to do is make these people at will employees so they could be fired.
01:04:36.000Because right now they can actually it's it's absolutely impossible.
01:04:40.000They are the they are a diffuse royalty in the American bureaucracy.
01:04:46.000And so under Schedule F, Trump tried to create a new employment category that he would then transfer these people into that would be at will so they could be fired.
01:04:59.000Remember, that's his kind of his his signature, you're fired.
01:05:03.000And so it took a long time to get it through the courts and the challenges because the SES has their own functionally union that fought this thing tooth and nail.
01:05:18.000He set it out as an executive order right at the end of his presidency.
01:05:21.000And literally, the first thing that Joe Biden did was rescind that executive order, which shows kind of the influence of the SES on and the, you know, we call it the Deep State Party on Joe Biden, because that was his top priority.
01:05:36.000Since then, there's been a series of legislative maneuvers And bureaucratic maneuvers to make it so that Trump cannot implement, nor can anyone else, a Schedule F type structure.
01:05:51.000When we show a strategy, and this part of the criticism I got for publishing this was I was revealing a tactical opportunity prematurely in raising awareness of it.
01:06:10.000Every time one of these initiatives comes up, somebody figures out some way to counter the growth and increased power of this entrenched bureaucracy, they fight back.
01:06:23.000Now, there's one thing that I think could be really effectively exploited that's changed the landscape for the bureaucracy in the United States is the overturning of what was called Chevron deference.
01:06:37.000Now, in UK, there's nothing like that overturning.
01:06:40.000In the UK, the courts defer to the state routinely.
01:06:45.000As Murray Rothbart proposed in his classic work, Anatomy of the State, the function of the courts in a modern, whether we call it a democracy or whatever, in the modern state, the function of the courts are to legitimize and support the state.
01:07:04.000They're not to promote equity or rule of law.
01:07:10.000And that's absolutely, as you look across the COVID crisis and you look across at the court's responses to various challenges, they have been entrenched in supporting the interests of the state.
01:07:25.000And what the courts did in the United States, the Supreme Court, is they placed a ruling that made it codified that if a case came up in which the Functionally, the administrative state or the bureaucracy or whatever you want to use to call it, asserted a set of facts, scientific facts.
01:07:48.000Then that was presumed to be the core truth.
01:07:50.000And you could bring up expert witnesses and tell you're blue in the face.
01:07:54.000But primacy was always given to the position that the administrative state took.
01:07:59.000And that was overturned in just not so long ago in the last year by the Supreme Court in the United States.
01:08:07.000That Chevron deference no longer applies.
01:08:09.000What that enabled was basically lawmaking by administrators.
01:08:14.000That's what's been going on in the United States for about a decade.
01:08:19.000That's now been overturned, which means that all of those administrative laws that were put in place are either going to get taken out piecemeal by lawyers.
01:08:29.000I mean, this is like Full Employment Act for lawyers, this overturning of Chevron deference.
01:08:35.000To sue the state on behalf of their various clients that are aggrieved by this, that, or other regulation.
01:08:43.000Or the Trump administration could say, um, look guys, we, it's a, it's a new game.
01:08:52.000And we are directed by the Supreme Court to go through and eliminate all those regulations and rules that were put in place that were not congressionally authorized.
01:09:02.000So it's that kind of thing, I think, that has to be done, is to use the structure of the Constitution and the position of this conservative court to work through, in a workmanlike fashion, the bureaucracy and eliminate a lot of these things.
01:09:22.000And you already have the legal coverage to do so.
01:09:26.000An example of that is what happened with housing and urban development during the prior Trump administration, where this neurosurgeon from Johns Hopkins was put in charge of housing and urban development.
01:09:47.000What he did is he set up a group And they went through methodically HUD, looking for regulations that were superfluous, not appropriate, etc.
01:10:01.000It's very much like Javier Millier, right?
01:10:04.000And the consequence is that now housing and urban development is considered to be one of the most effective departments in the federal bureaucracy.
01:10:14.000So I think there's ways we can do this.
01:10:20.000But there's a real risk of implementing radical changes that involve untested solutions that will inevitably create blowback.
01:10:36.000It's amazing to hear the sort of ingenuity that is available to us successfully deployed.
01:10:42.000And I reckon many people will feel optimistic, even if cautiously, about Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk being given their own department, because it's precisely the kind of entrepreneurial ingenuity that could make changes in an optimistic appraisal.
01:10:59.000I'm sure the detractors will say, he's an oligarch and a lunatic and Vivek Ramaswamy is a capitalist.
01:11:04.000I know there are a million ways to attack people.
01:11:07.000Robert Malone, thank you for your heroism up to now.
01:11:09.000Thank you for being able to cross-pollinate and create new constellations of information on the fly for us in ways that are so easy to explain.
01:11:20.000I feel that you're giving us access to a university that, frankly, we don't deserve and wouldn't be able to afford if we had to pay for it.
01:11:27.000Thank you so much for your time today, Doctor.
01:11:30.000Thanks for having me on, Russell, and deep respect for all you're doing and for your own ability to make connections.
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