00:00:01.000On the show today, I'm talking to my friends Chris and Jackie Laidlaw about their marital authorship.
00:00:06.000And I'm talking to the great Dr. Andy Wakefield, hero, longtime hero, who first exposed the potentiality that maybe we don't know everything we need to know about vaccines.
00:00:15.000We'll be talking about Trump at the United Nations.
00:00:17.000And we'll be talking about the Canada Made program, which now kills pro rata.
00:00:22.000More Canadians die from assisted dying than Americans die from firearm related deaths.
00:00:28.000All today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:01:04.000On the show today, I'm going to be talking to Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
00:01:07.000I'll be talking to Chris and Jackie Laidlaw.
00:01:09.000We'll be talking to Andrew Wakefield in particular.
00:01:11.000If you're a person that's long followed conspiracy theories, that's considered that potentially the information you get in mainstream media may be at odds with fundamental truths, here's a few that you might want to tick off your bingo card.
00:01:34.000Do you believe it's potentially possible that you're being manipulated by forces and sources that you can't rely on on trust?
00:01:41.000Well, Andy Wakefield, or Dr. Andrew Wakefield, way, way back 35 years ago, exposed information about clinical trials when it comes to the potential impact of MMR vaccines that could have been, should have been taken seriously a long time ago.
00:01:58.000It might have taken 35 years, but Ongoing vindication is occurring.
00:02:02.000We'll be talking to him a little bit later.
00:02:03.000In fact, you might have seen him on the live show that we did on Wednesday because I'm talking to him in two parts.
00:02:10.000You better believe I'll find a reason to get my friend Christian Astis straight out of Bethlehem on the show.
00:02:14.000And if you're watching this anywhere other than Rumble, click the link in the description or just get over to Rumble.
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00:02:24.000Okay, Trump is at the United Nations, which is a sort of oxymoronic, if not straight up.
00:02:30.000Moronic name because it ultimately shows that you can't have unity among nations and nations simultaneously.
00:02:37.000But fortunately, we're on the very precipice of discovering that the very idea of nations is coming to an end.
00:02:44.000But let's have a look at how Donald Trump, a man with an extraordinary ego and particularly powerful public persona, handles the ridiculousness of being in this peculiar, what do you want to call it?
00:02:58.000I don't know, a menagerie of leaders, a zoo of leaders.
00:03:07.000Because CNN, CNN are like, you know, like sometimes where there's a battered woman that keeps going back to a battered, their husband that batters them or whatever.
00:03:17.000I guess that CNN and Trump have got that kind of relationship.
00:03:19.000And if you are a battered woman, tell someone, get out of that relationship.
00:03:49.000He's still, I think, recalling some pre human shamanic time where human beings could do literal magic like Methuselah or something.
00:03:58.000I think he might still have access to interdimensional power.
00:04:03.000The other thing that Trump maintains is a little more prosaic, a little more quotidian, a little more mundane and everyday than all of that.
00:04:08.000He has a sort of straight up ability to.
00:06:24.000How we move the pawns on the chessboard of international politics if ultimately the hands that move them belong to dark and occultist interests.
00:06:35.000I mean, let me know in the comments and chat if you think that even someone as individualistic and potentially megalomaniacal as Trump can be manipulated by dark powers.
00:06:47.000Isn't the beauty of the system in part that even when participating in it, you don't know that you're participating in it?
00:06:55.000I talked to you as someone who's before been.
00:06:57.000Pretty heavily involved in like filmmaking and all that kind of stuff.
00:07:01.000I never encountered like handlers and people going, why don't you convey this message about individualism or hedonism or decadence?
00:07:07.000But nevertheless, you end up participating in messages that are beneficial to centralized systems of power that need all of us lost in individualism and completely captured by our limited and reduced senses so that we can't participate in the powerful spiritual forces that are available to you.
00:07:24.000All right, here's Trump accuses the UN of promoting mass migration while claiming to protect cultural heritage.
00:07:30.000Nah, man, you get Trump, and you know what I think about Trump.
00:07:33.000He's a person that's exposing in real time, even as he himself is in ways compromised because he's a person, the problems inherent with centralized institutions of government and power.
00:08:02.000When you revere human beings in the manner which we ought to revere God, you end up trapped in a crisis and a circular crisis at that.
00:08:10.000If you're happy to exchange colours and ties and names of political parties every four years or eight years, it doesn't really matter, then you'll remain trapped in a conundrum.
00:08:23.000Now, my country, we've had, I think, seven prime ministers in the last 10 years, and I think only two of them were elected by popular mandate.
00:08:33.000The current Prime Minister of the UK is a man called Andy Burnham.
00:08:37.000He was the mayor of Greater Manchester.
00:08:39.000If you care about my political beliefs, they are these that power should be reduced to the smallest available unit individual sovereignty under Christ, family sovereignty under Christ, community sovereignty under Christ.
00:08:49.000And of course, whether you worship Christ or not is entirely optional and voluntary.
00:08:54.000You couldn't possibly impose that on somebody.
00:09:08.000And even things that are less obviously problematic, like fame and money and sex, things like just trying to raise a family, in the end, it will all be exposed.
00:10:36.000Although I do have some pretty interesting interdimensional challenges coming up next week.
00:10:41.000So let's have a look at Andy Burnham in New York, still excited by being the Prime Minister of a country, as if such things could ever matter.
00:11:13.000That you're being told, oh, that even people that are high up at AI companies are saying stuff like, so get all of this, people are reacting, so get the shots, man.
00:11:22.000Like, the leaders of big tech companies are telling us there's going to be a crisis, leaders are telling us that there's going to be a crisis.
00:12:17.000Now, but in order to protect you, you are going to have to do everything I tell you.
00:12:21.000I mean, that's just common sense, isn't it?
00:12:22.000How can I protect you if I'm not in control of you?
00:12:24.000Can't protect you if I'm not in control of you.
00:12:26.000So, all you have to do is give up your intimate connection to the limitless consciousness that's pouring through you like a river of living water rushing out of your belly right now.
00:12:56.000I don't know what's made you so cynical, but I can't help you if you don't do everything I tell you.
00:13:01.000Now, be careful because AI, which we've promoted and funded and made you fund actually when it was a governmental phase because it was funded by your taxes, is now going to turn on you and fuck you up, forgive the language, big time.
00:13:18.000Let's have a look at what else he's got to say.
00:13:19.000While I'm here, I'll also be working to help resolve the conflict in the Middle East, which has pushed up global energy prices, putting more pressure on household.
00:13:26.000Okay, you've got to solve the conflict in the Middle East, are you?
00:13:30.000And you're not put off by the fact that it's taken millennia to resolve and the finest minds in politics and philosophy have all drawn a blank up to now?
00:13:37.000Okay, well, you know, fingers crossed!
00:13:40.000Putting more pressure on household bills and the cost of living alongside.
00:13:44.000I love that how a global holy conflict like the Middle Eastern war has been reduced.
00:14:32.000At our international partners, I'll be pushing for a just and lasting peace in Ukraine, as well as making the case for a two state solution with Israelis and Palestinians living side by side in safety and security.
00:14:45.000He rounded off with we're going to resolve the Ukraine Russia conflict, which some people regard as a kind of civil war within an empire, and we're going to get a two state solution between Israelis and Palestinians.
00:14:56.000Remember earlier in his 30 second speech, he'd resolved the problems of AI.
00:14:59.000Now, also recall that I think Andy Burnham is a good person.
00:15:03.000As in, if you were able, as the psalm suggests, to search him with the light of consciousness, to look right within him, a molecular level, down, down, down amongst the atoms where everything stops making sense, where electrons spin a baseball pitch away from the nucleus at the center, if you were to scale it up so you could observe and comprehend it.
00:15:24.000If you looked inside him, you would find the light of the Lord, because all of us are blessed.
00:15:32.000And the only thing we have to do to be participants in this endless banquet of never ending light is to surrender the idea that we are in control, to surrender to the absolute truth, life, and way, to allow a baptism to rinse away the dead and decaying you that is already dead.
00:15:53.000Stop trying to get the spaceship polished and look inside at the inhabitant of the vehicle, the occupant of the vehicle.
00:16:00.000So, um, Andy Burnham, he's a pretty good guy, but I looked into some of the advisors and stuff that are around him, and many of them are recognizable names from previous administrations, which leads me to believe that the cutaneous, by that I mean skin deep, changes that occur in politics are irrelevant when compared to the deep skeletal changes that are enacted by dark and demonic forces.
00:17:55.000They've got a phrase in Russia, like, he who smiles is an idiot, is what their phrase basically means.
00:18:00.000They think you're an idiot if you smile at them.
00:18:03.000I went on holiday once by mistake with some Russians.
00:18:05.000It was in India, and their Christmas is a bit of a different time than our Christmas.
00:18:08.000I ended up with all these Russians, I don't know.
00:18:10.000But even the weakest, littlest one of those, I'm going to go ahead and say fuckers, look like you could just pop your head open like a cantaloupe.
00:18:24.000Do not have war with Russia unless you are an international or maybe even interdimensional power with access to weapons that can sort of melt down molecules or something.
00:18:55.000But check the bulls on this dude out on the news.
00:18:59.000Like, you can't even find it online no more.
00:19:01.000Someone had to just screen grab it saying, like, well, if people don't want to have a war against Russia, I'm talking about British people, man.
00:19:07.000Like, if they don't have a war against Russia, we'll just lock them up.
00:19:24.000Well, we've suspended habeas corpus during the Napoleonic Wars.
00:19:27.000Well, and under the Defense of the Realm, I would say.
00:19:29.000So, you know, we would have to go to those measures, and we would have to look at things like conscription as well, then, to get the numbers up.
00:19:35.000Okay, conscription to fight a war against Russia for a country that doesn't know what it is anymore because it's been bureaucratized.
00:19:42.000Remember, when C.S. Lewis wanted to depict a realm of demons, he depicted them as existing within a bureaucracy.
00:19:49.000Bureaucracy is the stripping away of your humanity and making you about nothing but rational transactionalism.
00:22:34.000Is it the heads above the parapet, the necks on the chopping block, and the penis is castrated?
00:22:38.000In fact, one of the only jokes in the Bible is when Paul is saying, like, hey, them people that are saying you should get circumcised, why don't they go the whole hog and chop off the whole cock?
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00:23:47.000Because let's be honest, regular chat flies by.
00:27:33.000Now, Jackie, your wife there, just said that one of the things is knowing about trauma in order not to, I guess you said the phrase triggering her, but I guess that means generate conflict.
00:31:45.000After sobriety, trying to figure out our mess, and I remember like needing the therapist to validate his perspective because I'm like, This is an idiot, what are you talking?
00:31:55.000And I needed to be able to mirror her ability to validate him.
00:31:59.000And I'm like, Oh, well, I guess I can see that.
00:32:02.000Oh, everyone has a perspective, and based on your own trauma, he's still figuring out his trauma.
00:32:06.000Chris, you mean, yes, yeah, he's a wreck.
00:32:09.000He's a wreck, not really quite sure what his trauma is, what's going on with him.
00:32:24.000Wasting everybody's time, even trying.
00:32:26.000So, like, no, so the okay, so I understand we have to intimately see one another and recognize that there are competing perspectives, even with an intimate unit such as a family.
00:32:36.000Seemed that Jackie was talking about the subject of forgiveness there for a minute, Chris.
00:32:40.000Have you been able to achieve the level of free forgiveness that appears to be a prerequisite for embarking on a healthy relationship with your spouse?
00:33:08.000Just being okay with how you've gotten to where you are and going back and realizing that all this journey, all the bullshit, no matter what you've been done or been down, what road you've been down or what you've been through, has ultimately carved this specimen that you are.
00:33:26.000And you can either be happy with that and know that that's what God's intended for you, or you can try and fight it.
00:33:30.000And a lot of the times I still try and fight it.
00:34:08.000I try to pay attention and I try to let go of the body and regard the body as merely the first layer of an external and material illusion in which I am a participant.
00:34:25.000It's harder to continue the yoga, the yoking, the walk with Christ, allowing Him to lead me when the stimulant is raised from hot environment and bodies.
00:34:36.000You know, there's more women in there, huh?
00:34:38.000So, I don't like for me, it's like, don't get involved in bodies.
00:35:02.000He said, Yogananda or his teacher said to him when he was saying, when he looked into the eyes of his teacher, I feel the same way as when I looked at my mother, and his teacher says, You thought those were your mother's eyes?
00:35:16.000That the endless intimacy continues always.
00:35:19.000The source, the father, Abba, our friend Christian Astis, would say, Abba, he's it.
00:35:24.000We're talking to Christian Astis later, straight out of Bethlehem.
00:35:27.000Bethlehem, I think that's how you say it.
00:35:28.000I mean, if I'm going to be a Christian, I should probably learn how to say the word Bethlehem, which is a word you learn literally when you're still wearing tea towels to play an Arab dad.
00:35:37.000You know, that's what we did at our school.
00:35:40.000I don't know what went on at your school.
00:35:42.000Well, listen, you two, thank you very much for coming here.
00:35:47.000Now, what I like is that you have really acknowledged the fallibility of yourselves and of your marriage.
00:35:53.000And I don't like it when books that are, I don't know, self help or help books seem like they're written from people that are inaccessible and are not candid about their daddy's marriage.
00:36:06.000My book's all stories about how we just went through some shit, man, and how we probably should have handled it differently, how we handled it in that moment.
00:36:13.000If one story in there relates with somebody and they can figure out a path to what we have now, then it's worth every penny.
00:36:19.000Yeah, if you're a person that's in recovery from drugs and alcohol and you're interested in learning more about codependency and how you can use those principles in your family, please look at Mirror Me by my friends Jackie and Chris Laidlaw.
00:36:55.000We can't make this content without visual paradoxes or without the support of our financial partners.
00:37:00.000Here's a message from one now, is it, Jake?
00:37:02.000Someone asked me the other day, how do you get a sense of what's going to happen next?
00:37:05.000I told them, I simply look out the window.
00:37:07.000But if that doesn't work, poly market.
00:37:09.000I check it out, it's extremely insightful.
00:37:11.000Basically, you're watching how thousands of people are betting on outcomes, political elections, big policy moves, even events you wouldn't expect.
00:37:20.000Actually, believe you can see trends before they hit mainstream news.
00:37:24.000For me, it's not about gambling, I don't like gambling.
00:37:27.000It's about understanding the probabilities and where the momentum is shifting.
00:37:30.000If you like following the news but want a deeper look at what people really think, it's a fascinating tool.
00:37:49.000Jackie and Chris seem to be making something of their marriage.
00:37:52.000In a minute, I'm going to be back talking to bona fide, brilliant hero and great man, Andrew Wakefield.
00:37:57.000But before that, here's a look at my podcast with my wife, Sunday Service.
00:38:08.000And you know the famous phrase, no atheists on a sinking ship.
00:38:13.000Once you're confronted with, oh, wow, the ship's not going where we thought it was going, we're actually going to die.
00:38:19.000Suddenly you start to reach for a different reality because it's no longer a comfort to you that there are fresh towels and a buffet.
00:38:30.000The comfort of the boat is no longer sufficient.
00:38:34.000So some of us, alcoholics, drug addicts, Crazed, shamanic, priestly, wilderness wanderers have always had a sense that the world isn't working.
00:39:13.000You might not know about Dr. Andrew Wakefield unless you've been paying close attention to the evolution of arguments around, for example, vaccines, autism, MMR jabs, gain of function technology, COVID, pandemic.
00:39:28.000If you've not been paying attention to the various plays of a set of institutions that use a variety of techniques to ensure control at all costs, earlier in the show, we talked about codependency in a marital environment.
00:39:42.000But have you not noticed that these systems of codependency are at play at scale?
00:39:47.000And in the same way that we would acknowledge that the CIA would create a cast of 30, 50, 100 people to surround an individual in order to solicit and obtain a piece of information, the world at large has generalized systems of control, and all of us are in it.
00:40:06.000We're all being given false information.
00:40:08.000We are all witnessing heroic individuals being desecrated.
00:40:13.000And slandered, libelled, and destroyed if they dare to speak out against the system.
00:40:18.000If you don't understand Dr. Andrew Wakefield yet, here's a short clip to help you conceptualise him in your mind.
00:40:25.000Absolutely extraordinary that the nation's public health objectives usurp whatever may happen to the nation's children in order to pursue the government policies.
00:40:43.000Please, a round of applause for Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
00:40:51.000Well, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, before I really knew what the challenges were around autism and vaccines and connections between the two, I'd heard of you.
00:41:06.000When we briefly spoke, you told me this has been a 35 year journey for you.
00:41:12.000Some people in our audience may be unfamiliar with you.
00:41:15.000So, would you please tell us and me, because I'd like to hear it again.
00:41:19.000The story about how you first came to be at odds with a medical establishment that you had up until that point been a part of.
00:42:32.000When I was at medical school, we weren't even taught about it, it was so rare.
00:42:37.000And so they said, No, the reason I'm calling you, Dr. Wakefield, is my child has intractable gastrointestinal problems, alternating constipation, diarrhea, failure to thrive.
00:42:48.000They've lost the ability to speak, but they're my child, and I know they're in pain.
00:42:53.000And the first rule of clinical medicine, Russell, is to listen to the patient, or in this case, the patient's parents, because they will give you the clues as to where you go clinically.
00:43:03.000And medicines fail to do that, certainly in the case of autism.
00:43:08.000Together, a team of very eminent people, gastroenterologists and others, psychiatrists, neurologists, and we investigated these children.
00:43:16.000And lo and behold, the parents were absolutely right.
00:43:18.000The children had an inflammatory bowel disease.
00:43:21.000And when the fascinating thing was, when we treated the inflammatory bowel disease with anti inflammatories diet, not only did that improve, but their speech came back.
00:43:31.000They started using words they hadn't used for five years.
00:43:34.000It was like Lorenzo's Oil, if your audience remember that film.
00:43:52.000We are not coming to any conclusions, but what we need to do is to stimulate research into this to determine whether, for some children, this vaccine is causing problems.
00:44:16.000So, like, doctor, what I want to say is okay, so the intestinal inflammation occurred post the MMR jab, and the autism diagnosis was concomitant with it.
00:44:29.000So, like, and I noticed that you, at the time, you pursued the matter in an entirely scientific manner.
00:47:13.000And now the CDC and even Fauci have admitted it wasn't done.
00:47:18.000So, your first red flag, in a way, was when you looked for clinical data that undergirded the assumption that MMR vaccines were safe, you found that it was insufficient and sparse research was being relied upon.
00:47:28.000They weren't like, oh, there's this raft of double blind procedures, there's this study here that demonstrates its safety.
00:47:34.000And I remember, I suppose, myself, my own rather dilettante ish awareness of the subject in which you are a veteran and an expert is.
00:47:44.000When COVID was first happening, I just thought, who have they done clinical?
00:47:50.000Who are the pregnant women that are volunteering for trial on this vaccine?
00:47:54.000Just stuff like that, just little questions like that occurred to me.
00:47:57.000So, okay, so when you conducted clinical trials, who did you partner with?
00:48:01.000And when did you first become aware, other than that Dean's intervention, that your clinical research was going to be a problem?
00:48:09.000And why didn't you create a piece of research that demonstrated a causal link?
00:49:00.000He did the analysis and then we broke the code together.
00:49:03.000And a very high proportion of those children with autism had measles virus consistent with the vaccine strain in their intestine, very few of the controls.
00:49:14.000That was really interesting and it presented a major problem for the vaccine manufacturers who were undergoing litigation in the UK at the time.
00:49:26.000Oh, yeah, there was MMR litigation for.
00:49:28.000There was extant litigation into vaccines at the time, so there was a sort of a vested interest in ensuring that this research already was, I don't know, repressed or at least undermined.
00:49:38.000That is exactly what happened, because I then got into a collaboration not just with John O'Leary, but with an expert, a measles expert from the La Jolla Clinic, from the Scripps Institute.
00:49:53.000With his job, he had created a rodent model of measles infection.
00:49:58.000Measles is a human virus, and so he'd encoded the human measles receptor into the blood vessels of these animals so they would get infected with measles.
00:50:08.000So his job was to take samples, infect these animals, send the samples to John O'Leary in Dublin, who did not know where they came from, whether they came from controls or actively infected animals, and to analyze them.
00:50:53.000He got up and, in front of the world's press, in front of the American government, he presented the results of our study and he said, It has been found that this is all contamination.
00:52:30.000Through access to files that had previously been undisclosed.
00:52:32.000And this is a wonderful story because in there it said there was an email from.
00:52:40.000Michael Oldstone to Mark Pepys saying, Dear Mark, this is going to cost you two pictures.
00:52:46.000Now, Mark Pepys' mother was an artist of some renown, and she'd done these two nudes that Dr. Oldstone had always coveted.
00:52:55.000So he said, This is going to cost you two pictures.
00:52:59.000Years later, when I'd been destroyed, my license had been taken away, the research had been sabotaged, is an email now from Mark Pepys to Michael Oldstone saying, Dear Michael, when are you coming to London?
00:53:42.000Never stood a chance from the beginning.
00:53:44.000Their interest was not to protect the children of the world, it was to preserve the status quo.
00:53:52.000And it just happened that Mark Pepys had a major commercial interest with GlaxoSmithKline, who were the biggest manufacturer of the MMR vaccine in Europe.
00:54:04.000I don't know why you'd even mention that, because that seems highly irrelevant.
00:54:24.000What fascinates me about it is how it, in the end, comes down to human beings making human decisions and showing human failings covetousness, a willingness to be bribed, an unwillingness to pursue lines of inquiry and truth that are detrimental to your personal benefit.
00:54:44.000You know, we all know what heroism is.
00:54:46.000Heroism means when you're willing to sacrifice yourself and your own interest to a higher ideal.
00:54:52.000How interesting that we live in a culture that tells you.
00:54:54.000There is no higher ideal that actually practices as normal the satanic idea that do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
00:55:06.000That there is no higher purpose, no higher reason than the fulfillment of your own personal pleasure.
00:55:13.000I've known somehow eerily, in fact, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, that you were a hero for some time.
00:56:16.000And it was a matter of I could walk away.
00:56:18.000I could say to the mother in the clinic whose child is running around the room, banging his head against the wall and screaming and non verbal, I could say to her, I know you're right.
00:56:27.000And what you say has merit and needs investigation, but this is not good for my career.
00:57:03.000So, guys, listen, this is time for us to wrap up our show and try not to reflect.
00:57:07.000Too much on the number of children whose lives would have been improved and maybe even saved if the scientific studies that Dr. Andrew Wakefield was pursuing in the mid 90s had been taken to their natural conclusion.
00:57:16.000And the evident criminality of the people that impeded and prevented those investigations and trials from reaching their happy conclusions are evidently criminals.
00:57:25.000Thank God there's been nothing even remotely comparable practiced on a global stage in the last.