Stay Free - Russel Brand - Trump Pissed Off The Globalists at G7 - SF732

00:00:07.000 Russell Brand, Russell Brand, trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, welcome to the show.

00:00:18.000 We've got some great things coming up.

00:00:19.000 I'll be talking to this guest.

00:00:22.000 I'm not trying to create a pocket condemnation.

00:00:25.000 One second, darling.

00:00:26.000 One second, sweetheart.

00:00:27.000 I want you to answer my question, Russell, though.

00:00:29.000 It feels like you're dancing around it.

00:00:31.000 But before that, it was the G7 summit this week.

00:00:35.000 It was attended by some of the world's most apparently powerful and influential leaders.

00:00:40.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:00:41.000 Before we get into it, remember my book, How to Become Christian in Seven Days, is out now.

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00:01:00.000 But for now, though, let's get into the G7 Summit.

00:01:03.000 The G7 Summit is ostensibly a gathering of the world's most powerful leaders to ensure some concord between Governments across the world.

00:01:14.000 Seems though that the real problem is there's almost too much alliance between global governments and certainly whatever ulterior powers appear to direct them.

00:01:24.000 I'm talking, of course, of global corporations, but also those kind of bureaucratic think tank entities, such as WHO, IMF, WEF, that have considerable power.

00:01:39.000 Wherever you fall politically these days, on the left or on the right, whether you Sort of feel like a kind of political vagrant, like that no one represents what you believe or what you want, or this sort of inkling, a kind of sense that you're being contained within a false argument that doesn't even give you access to truth, that somewhere just beyond your reach is possibility, that things could really change, that your life could be an expression of true meaning.

00:02:05.000 We likely can't even pay focused attention to something like the G7 summit, but they still have those kind of.

00:02:14.000 Protests, those fire and brimstone protests all around them.

00:02:18.000 Outside, people were furious.

00:02:21.000 I don't know if they're furious about the attendance of Trump or Macron or Starmer.

00:02:26.000 I don't know who their ire is directed at.

00:02:28.000 It's likely an expression of the ongoing frustration that most of us feel when it comes to addressing global politics. 0.50

00:02:38.000 Trump, though, understands showbiz and he understands that, as they've always said, politics is showbizness for ugly people. 0.85

00:02:45.000 I always think show business is show business for ugly people these days.

00:02:48.000 Let's have a look at how he handles some of the various encounters with other world leaders.

00:02:54.000 We're going to go live now to Evian in France, where Donald Trump has just arrived.

00:02:58.000 He's meeting G7 leaders there.

00:03:00.000 You can see Keir Starmer almost shoulder to shoulder with Donald Trump, actually.

00:03:04.000 I know that's GB News, and they're not a particularly pro Keir Starmer network in the UK, but they seem sort of excited that Keir Starmer is shoulder to shoulder with Trump.

00:03:15.000 GB News wouldn't be particularly condemnatory of Donald Trump, but one gets a sense that the British media, in the broadest sense, don't like Trump. 0.82

00:03:24.000 Though, where the discussion heads with this clip is the recent banning of 16 year olds from social media, which on the surface is a good idea, isn't it? 0.97

00:03:34.000 If that were the intention to stop 16 year olds being on social media, it's generally speaking a pretty good idea.

00:03:40.000 But the problem is, of course, that the true intention is to tie everyone's.

00:03:45.000 An anonymous online identity to a specific piece of ID so that your IP address and your actual identity can be observed and monitored so everyone knows what you're doing online all the time and you can't do it anonymously.

00:04:00.000 Not because they want to protect you or they want to protect children, but because they want to be able to control the population as part of a movement towards centralized global governance.

00:04:08.000 So it's interesting, of course, that entities like the G7 continue to exist.

00:04:14.000 Once it was assumed that whether it was the EU or the UN or the G7, that the intention was the assurance of global peace.

00:04:22.000 But actually, now it's to ensure a level of harmony for elite powers and total control for everyone else.

00:04:29.000 Wouldn't you agree?

00:04:30.000 Actually, could be some tense conversations, though, in the next.

00:04:47.000 A lot of people have noticed that Keir Starmer, when he's in a context with other world leaders, struggles to make his presence felt.

00:04:57.000 He does look like a peripheral figure.

00:04:59.000 I think, though, as I experience a deepening spiritual encounter with truth, I can't take the light anymore.

00:05:07.000 Even in the embarrassment of people that, in the broadest sense, I regard as enemies.

00:05:12.000 And that would probably be all of those people there, whether it's dear Mark Carney, former Bank of England chief, now leader of Canada, Keir Starmer, former head of the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK, now Prime Minister, Donald Trump, oligarchal billionaire, now populist leader of the United States.

00:05:30.000 In the end, if what you're interested in is truth and reality and freedom and maximum peace and personal sovereignty for the maximum number of people, People, which maybe isn't the goal or even purview of human beings anymore.

00:05:43.000 Perhaps we should just confine ourselves to living in truth and peace and harmony and preparing for a truly better world.

00:05:48.000 And if that is your intention, if that's what you're aligned with, then something like the G7 and the whole set of interests represented there are ultimately antithetical to your freedom and your peace.

00:06:00.000 But that's just what I think.

00:06:01.000 Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat.

00:06:04.000 Donald Trump continues, though, to really exhibit that kind of personal amiability, affability, and I reckon.

00:06:11.000 The comedian's instinct for addressing a apparent but often not explicit reality when he comes in and says, I'm the boss.

00:06:21.000 Sort of pretty kind of funny in that context.

00:06:26.000 He continues to be kind of funny, even if you're disappointed with the ice and with the wars and with the UFC on the lawn and the sense that maybe things aren't going to really change.

00:06:36.000 When it comes to personal affability and charisma and a level of interactive finesse, Kind of ability to seem like an actual person rather than an android.

00:06:47.000 Whether it's Macron or Carney or Keir Starmer there, when you see them, for me at least, and I don't know if this is personal, they have that kind of, they make me bristle a little.

00:06:56.000 They make me prickle with that sense that you're watching someone who isn't really there, a kind of an inert phantom.

00:07:02.000 Now, I know like there's no one that's as divisive as Trump, maybe in history, but certainly not in contemporary world culture.

00:07:09.000 You can see Jimmy Kimmel most nights sort of.

00:07:13.000 Full of furious ire and the pursuit of ratings in his condemnation of Trump or John Oliver or other like good, I'm talking about, you know, good comedians and good entertainers.

00:07:22.000 But I feel now that really we should be making an effort to reconcile.

00:07:29.000 So if you feel that your constituency hates Donald Trump, you should be saying, look, come on, he's pretty funny, isn't he?

00:07:36.000 And if you feel that your constituency loves Donald Trump, you should be saying, look, guys, these wars.

00:07:42.000 And if you think that your audience is looking for something, Deeper and more profound, then maybe you don't need to play any games.

00:07:48.000 And that's where I hope you are.

00:07:51.000 At this point, you're no longer contained.

00:07:55.000 But you've reached a point where you're no longer contained in one of two ways, either of which suits them virulently pro one tribe or set of identities, or virulently opposed to it.

00:08:09.000 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:08:10.000 You're participating in the polarity.

00:08:12.000 I recently had a conversation with a Democrat fella.

00:08:17.000 Like in this conversation I had with this guy, Mike, it'll be the interview later on in the show in a minute.

00:08:21.000 He was a fundraiser for Kamala and Kamala Harris, you know, when she ran for.

00:08:26.000 President of your country, and there are millions of different things that you could say about the failings of maybe Kamala Harris as a political figure and the Democrat Party more broadly.

00:08:34.000 But isn't it clear to you, as it is to me now, that existing political institutions, no matter what they claim, are participating in a system that both sides want to maintain?

00:08:49.000 And that is not beneficial for you anymore, or for me, really.

00:08:52.000 And it could be beneficial for me.

00:08:54.000 I could probably find ways to make money out of it, and maybe you could too.

00:08:56.000 But really, if what you're interested in.

00:08:59.000 Is the kingdom and reality and truth.

00:09:02.000 None of these false idols are going to serve you.

00:09:05.000 So, for me, this ain't no different than watching the World Cup or a football match.

00:09:11.000 It's just entertainment.

00:09:13.000 It's entertainment with consequences, but hey, the World Cup has consequences.

00:09:16.000 Teams get knocked out.

00:09:17.000 Not yet.

00:09:18.000 There are 400 teams in it in countries I've never even heard of, but at some point, teams get knocked out.

00:09:23.000 And the same for this.

00:09:25.000 Well, I also think that when there is going to be a war or some significant change, they're not doing it in these little rooms with, you know, with.

00:09:32.000 Press crews and press kits.

00:09:34.000 Hello, I'm the boss.

00:09:41.000 How are you?

00:09:42.000 Good, thank you.

00:09:54.000 Okay.

00:09:56.000 Thank you, President.

00:09:58.000 Dear colleagues.

00:10:01.000 We have a photo.

00:10:02.000 Oh, yeah.

00:10:04.000 Would you like to stay for the meeting?

00:10:07.000 It's okay with me.

00:10:11.000 Thank you very much.

00:10:12.000 Thank you very much.

00:10:17.000 Thank you.

00:10:18.000 It's a TV show, really, and Donald Trump knows how to do TV shows.

00:10:22.000 Do you think that maybe in the first instance, Trump never had any intention of becoming president, that the whole thing was just a kind of ruse, a kind of pranking of the establishment that went too well.

00:10:34.000 That seemed like too trite.

00:10:36.000 Because now look at how he speaks and has another language.

00:10:40.000 He's not embarrassed by the presence of the press.

00:10:43.000 He would keep the press present.

00:10:44.000 Not saying that all manner of things don't happen behind closed doors when it comes to, I don't know, some oligarchical takeover of American infrastructure and the kind of corruption that we would.

00:10:56.000 Recognize from either party when it comes to possibly providing opportunity financially via insider knowledge.

00:11:04.000 And I think these things are kind of just institutionally true of government.

00:11:09.000 And perhaps you tell me in the comments and chat, Trump hasn't delivered on the spirit of his campaigning cleaning the swamp, empowering people, America first, no more wars.

00:11:21.000 Tell me what you think and what you feel.

00:11:24.000 But if politics is going to just be a kind of an illusion and An illusion, a veil, part of Maya, then if that's what it's going to be and that's what it has been for a very long time, then why not just have people in it that are amusing to look at?

00:11:41.000 That's all both sides want or can claim.

00:11:43.000 Well, I prefer it when it's someone like Barack Obama.

00:11:45.000 I prefer it when it's someone like Donald Trump.

00:11:47.000 Well, I'd prefer it if it wasn't a veil or an illusion or two. 0.99

00:11:50.000 Shut up! 0.99

00:11:51.000 That's impossible. 1.00

00:11:51.000 Why would you ever ask that? 1.00

00:11:52.000 Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.

00:11:55.000 Keir Starmer, though, he's old school, man.

00:11:58.000 God love him.

00:11:58.000 And when I say old school, what I mean is, um, Gosh, he's a bureaucrat.

00:12:02.000 He's a pen pusher.

00:12:02.000 He might be a perfectly nice guy.

00:12:04.000 It's difficult to tell.

00:12:06.000 But as has been said of him, he doesn't seem like a person who really has his hands on the levers of power or anything else.

00:12:13.000 His hands, he keeps them to himself.

00:12:14.000 British team.

00:12:16.000 Do you know where Skye is?

00:12:21.000 We wait for him?

00:12:22.000 Are you sure?

00:12:23.000 Thank you, Jonathan.

00:12:25.000 Okay.

00:12:29.000 Thank you.

00:12:30.000 Just turn it for two seconds.

00:12:32.000 Look at these guys.

00:12:33.000 May, could you have a look at these guys?

00:12:36.000 Really, as well.

00:12:37.000 Now, because of the way media is, we're aware of people's personal failings and foibles.

00:12:43.000 None of us can put aside the moment where we saw Brigitte Macron smack Emmanuel Macron around the face and he walked around with a black eye for a little while.

00:12:50.000 We know all of them have rumors surrounding them.

00:12:52.000 And even if the rumors are salacious and actually untrue, what we know on a deeper level yet is they're just human beings.

00:12:58.000 And a model of centralization, a kind of round table, look at it, model where they sit around the table and determine the.

00:13:07.000 The trajectory of billions of lives is ridiculous and implausible.

00:13:12.000 Of course, I don't believe that what they're talking about there will ultimately impact billions of lives, or when it comes to it, they have the power to direct billions of lives.

00:13:21.000 I believe that the real momentum and true power is, if you want to imagine it sort of metaphorically, a kind of visual metaphor, that the power surrounds that table, is beneath it like a tide, like a portent power.

00:13:39.000 But when it comes to.

00:13:41.000 But. 0.98

00:13:43.000 And I suppose what makes that ridiculous is they're all people with all of these ridiculous. 0.98

00:13:48.000 And I suppose what makes that ridiculous is that now we know they've got difficult marriages and challenges and failings and flaws. 0.97

00:13:56.000 How long can we sustain this ridiculous pretense that the world can't be run any better than this?

00:14:04.000 Is the text of the agreement now final or are you still.

00:14:07.000 No, it's not final.

00:14:08.000 It's a memorandum of understanding.

00:14:10.000 And if I don't like it, we'll go back to. 1.00

00:14:13.000 Shooting at them, dropping bombs on their head. 1.00

00:14:16.000 If I don't like it, if they don't behave, we'll go right back to dropping bombs right smack in the middle of their head. 1.00

00:14:25.000 Okay? 0.98

00:14:25.000 Because they've misbehaved for 47 years. 0.98

00:14:29.000 All right?

00:14:30.000 But nobody could have made this deal.

00:14:33.000 I mean, the JCPOA, done by Obama, he handed them a billion seven in cash, gave them hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of, gave them billions and billions of dollars, but he gave them $1.7 billion in cash, green cash from banks, into a Boeing 757 and flew it into Iran.

00:14:56.000 And they stood at the plane.

00:14:57.000 I have pictures of it like, oh my, look at this money he's giving us.

00:15:01.000 He tried to bribe his way out.

00:15:03.000 I didn't do that.

00:15:04.000 That's true.

00:15:05.000 It's certainly reductive.

00:15:06.000 It also shows you where Trump's priorities lie domestically.

00:15:09.000 He cares about the U.S. and the dynamics that define American politics, the kind of old Democrat v. Republican dynamic is what.

00:15:16.000 Plainly occupies his attention.

00:15:18.000 You can see too that he continues to be able to utilize the level of rhetoric. 0.78

00:15:21.000 He continues to be able to utilize a type of rhetoric that is absent elsewhere in the marionette Mandarin speak of those apparitic politicians elsewhere. 0.94

00:15:33.000 They're not engaging like that. 0.96

00:15:35.000 They don't talk normal like that.

00:15:36.000 They don't say things that are kind of incendiary, like drop bombs on the middle of their heads, which is astonishing language, dear, but it's not as bad as actually the reality that bombs are going to get dropped on people's heads and all of them.

00:15:48.000 Participants in that international G7 summit, one way or another, are the agents of destruction and murder, generally dressing it up rationally as somehow natural or necessary.

00:16:00.000 Trump merely reveals what was previously concealed, merely amplifies and exaggerates what all of them do more tediously.

00:16:11.000 Yeah, they didn't do that.

00:16:13.000 Nobody mentions that.

00:16:15.000 1.7 billion and hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:16:18.000 They tried to bribe their way out of it. 0.99

00:16:21.000 And you know what the Iranians did? 1.00

00:16:24.000 They laughed at Obama and they said he's a stupid son of a bitch. 1.00

00:16:28.000 Contrast the controlled and sanitary conversation, the Huxley esque Steve Jobs style white table, the round one and the vaginal one that they sat around with the scenes outside. 1.00

00:16:42.000 It's a perfect visual metaphor for the reality that we all occupy.

00:16:48.000 On the surface, this slick managerial, natural, rational power with some interesting characters while Trump's in office.

00:16:55.000 And outside, the sort of chaos and death and burning and carnage.

00:17:01.000 And, you know, most of us participate in to one degree or another, sort of certain that there must be a better way. 1.00

00:17:11.000 No men playing in women's sports, so we want no transgender mutilization of our children. 1.00

00:17:17.000 None. 1.00

00:17:18.000 Those are five things that are 99%.

00:17:20.000 I mean, that's all we want.

00:17:24.000 I wonder how relevant that is in India.

00:17:26.000 I don't know very much about the culture there.

00:17:28.000 I wonder how.

00:17:29.000 Important it is in a country that's so recently seemed to have very, very different issues.

00:17:35.000 It's only just got its independence really from the United Kingdom.

00:17:39.000 I wonder how important it is to them, like gender roles and gender issues and trans issues, or whether that's kind of localized to the types of culture that we all live in.

00:17:47.000 And if that proves to be the case, that it's not a big deal in India.

00:17:49.000 And certainly looking at Modi there, it doesn't look like he's sort of wracked with concern about those kind of cultural and identity issues.

00:17:56.000 I wonder what that tells us about our culture versus these newly industrialized and commercialized nations.

00:18:03.000 So there you go, the G7 summit.

00:18:05.000 What can you learn from it?

00:18:06.000 It's a kind of business as usual.

00:18:08.000 Bureaucratic encounter that reveals to you a great many things in a way that politicians are performers, some of them brilliant and adept, whether you see them as a pantomime villain or a glorifying hero.

00:18:22.000 Others now more representative of the decline, even in spirit, of countries like France or the anglophonic proto countries of the UK, Canada, Australia, that seem to exist, if you ask me now, solely so globalist dictums can be piloted.

00:18:40.000 Prior to being globally instantiated, whether it's what do you do about trucker protests during COVID in COVID?

00:18:46.000 Shut down their bank accounts.

00:18:49.000 What do you do about dissent during COVID in Australia?

00:18:53.000 Put them in internment camps.

00:18:55.000 How do you manage the rise of online activity, dissent, and protest across the UK in the modern era?

00:19:01.000 Digital ID claiming you're protecting children.

00:19:04.000 Ultimately, sooner or later, Trump won't be in office and the general trend towards authoritarianism and centralized control.

00:19:12.000 I predict it will continue.

00:19:15.000 And when that happens, all of these measures and models piloted in countries like Canada, Australia, and the UK will be brought to the United States.

00:19:22.000 That's just what I think, though.

00:19:24.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat?

00:19:27.000 Alternatively, you could set fire to a car and protest in the streets because that seems to be at least what some people are doing.

00:19:33.000 More important than any of that, if you can, please stay free.

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00:19:48.000 Barter and trade?

00:19:48.000 What are you going to do next?

00:19:50.000 Trade?

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00:21:11.000 Mike Nellis is a democratic strategist, entrepreneur, and commentator who has spent nearly two decades working at the intersection of politics, media, and technology.

00:21:21.000 A former advisor to Kamala Harris and Founder of the digital agency Authentic, he has helped shape campaigns, raised more than a billion dollars in grassroots funding, and become one of the most prominent voices in democratic politics.

00:21:34.000 Today, through his platform, Endless Urgency, he offers candid commentary on American politics, culture, and the challenges facing the Democratic Party.

00:21:43.000 Mike, why I'm interested in our conversation is because, as I understand, you're a Democratic strategist.

00:21:50.000 You've been involved in fundraising, in particular for the Kamala Harris campaign.

00:21:54.000 He actually describes you here as a progressive Democrat.

00:21:57.000 The platform I'm on, primarily at least, Rumble, certainly it would be fair to say, skews towards the right.

00:22:05.000 In your country at the moment, there's a sort of sense of fragmentation.

00:22:09.000 Excuse me, and tension when it comes to left versus right, liberal versus traditional values.

00:22:16.000 And I'm having now sort of followed politics in your country as best as I can without being an academic or an expert of any kind.

00:22:23.000 It seems like we might be at a unique point of political despair, not least because it's been preceded by one somewhat comparable relatively immediately.

00:22:38.000 I think that a lot of people, while Biden was president, and the campaign transition between Biden and Kamala took place.

00:22:45.000 I felt that the, and certainly my own personal background, like there's been points where I would have called myself a communist were it not for my sort of sense that God is real.

00:22:54.000 I've always been inclined towards social democracy, welfare, ensuring that people protect the most vulnerable groups in society.

00:23:05.000 That's sort of generally how I saw things.

00:23:07.000 And now, as a follower of Christ, I still, obviously, more urgently and more deliberately than ever, feel that we have a great.

00:23:15.000 Obligation to take care of one another and exist as one family in him.

00:23:22.000 So, though I reckon, you know, this being like the week after the UFC, or, you know, depending on when we stream this, after the UFC fight at the White House, the Iranian war, kind of an election campaign, and two or three election cycles that were marred by kind of discontent and ugliness, and both sides accusing the other of stealing the election.

00:23:48.000 The kind of bad blood that's existed between the Democrat Party and the Republican Party generally, the left and the right broadly.

00:23:54.000 And in particular, the sort of deep hatred of Donald Trump.

00:23:59.000 It seems to me to be a really interesting time to have a conversation with anyone that's sort of like affiliated with the Democratic liberal establishment or institution or however you see it.

00:24:10.000 I'm sure you'll tell me in your answer.

00:24:12.000 But before you begin, I'll just add this.

00:24:14.000 Recently, I watched a documentary called One to One about one of my great heroes and many.

00:24:19.000 People's hero, John Lennon, and that brief period of time where he lived in Greenwich, they had some great footage of this concert that he did to raise money for the Brook, Willow Brook Children's Home.

00:24:30.000 You know, it's like a sort of underfunded New York State Children's Home.

00:24:33.000 And anyway, they added to it a lot of cultural footage, news footage, commercials from your country at that time.

00:24:40.000 And you got the sense that the climate around the hippie movement and student activists like Jerry Rubin and Abby Hoffman.

00:24:51.000 And Nixon's tarnished presidency was.

00:24:56.000 I was astonished actually to see how the tone, timbre, and conflict mapped almost perfectly onto what I thought was a kind of a unique time in history.

00:25:05.000 Like the hatred of Trump, the loathing of the woke folk from the right, and the MAGA crowd from the left seemed to me that it was sort of almost identical.

00:25:17.000 And then, and I have my own memories, but your own memories are much easier to rinse away.

00:25:22.000 If you're being indoctrinated, at least. 0.99

00:25:24.000 I remember when George W. Bush was president, how much he was detested and hated, and he was called a cowboy and a dumbass. 0.99

00:25:29.000 In fact, I called him that at an award show I was hosting. 0.88

00:25:32.000 So, where are you right now, given this couple of minute long question that I've asked, on your own feelings about institutional politics, both parties, and the senseless cyclical nature, much of which it seems to me relates to the way that mainstream bipartisan politics is funded, which is the area that you're actually qualified to talk about, having raised a billion dollars, I think, for the Kamala campaign, or perhaps that's across several campaigns.

00:26:02.000 It seems to me that the biggest problem is that both parties ultimately end up controlled by those interests and the sort of marginal changes that are instituted by every one of those parties aren't worth dying for, but real change would be.

00:26:15.000 And I just want to hear what your insights are from you.

00:26:19.000 Yeah, well, there's a ton to respond to there, Russell.

00:26:22.000 And thank you for having me on your show.

00:26:24.000 I'm making my Rumble debut and I'm grateful to be here with your audiences.

00:26:28.000 You know, look, I think, and I'll probably just start here, is like our political and our economic system in the United States, if not globally, is just Totally and completely broken, and it works for a very small number of people.

00:26:38.000 And there's no better representation of that than what's been going on with the Epstein files in the economy right now.

00:26:44.000 There's a very small group of wealthy, well connected individuals who can get away with basically anything.

00:26:48.000 They feel like they can abuse women, they can abuse little girls, they can abuse little boys, they can get their tax cuts from the Republican budget, they can go after anything.

00:26:55.000 And I think you're right in the sense that there are a lot of people in my party who still serve that same master.

00:27:00.000 These people treat partisan politics like it's a game.

00:27:02.000 They want you and I to hate each other, they want your audience to hate me.

00:27:05.000 And I recognize that.

00:27:07.000 In coming on Rumble, I'm going to get folks on my side who are going to be angry with me saying I'm making a wrong decision or I'm talking to the wrong type of person.

00:27:13.000 And, you know, I'll probably get into some of that over the course of the show.

00:27:16.000 But, you know, I also know that there's going to be a lot of people that are watching this right now that are like, well, you work for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:27:20.000 You must be a dumbass and I hate you. 1.00

00:27:21.000 And, like, that's fine. 1.00

00:27:22.000 You can feel however you want about me.

00:27:24.000 But I think we're all allowing ourselves to be played right now by this class of people who are profiteering off of the way that we hate each other.

00:27:32.000 So every video that you react with, every tweet, every story, everything else, there's somebody else the other end of that who's making money.

00:27:38.000 And right now, The biggest people in the country who are making money and profiteering off of that are in the White House right now.

00:27:43.000 And as much as people like to talk about the imperfections of the Biden administration, and I'm the first person to tell you, I think there were a lot of things that Biden got right and there were a lot of things that Biden got wrong.

00:27:52.000 I think the way they handled his age and health at the end were wrong.

00:27:55.000 I think the way they tried to gaslight people into believing that the economy was strong.

00:27:58.000 But this administration, in my view, is just totally out of control.

00:28:01.000 I think their attacks on the First Amendment are awful.

00:28:03.000 Their attacks on the Second Amendment, like I'm a gun owner, I have my concealed carry license.

00:28:06.000 I thought the attacks they made on Alex Pretty after he was shot multiple times in the back, unarmed by an ICE agent, were disgusting.

00:28:12.000 The NRA had to come out.

00:28:13.000 And defend gun rights owners on that front, which I just thought was gross and unprecedented here in the States.

00:28:19.000 The levels of corruption that you're seeing in here, the cover up of the Epstein files, but also Donald Trump increasing his net worth by billions of dollars.

00:28:26.000 Like people love to talk about Hunter Biden abusing his last name and selling access and stuff like that.

00:28:31.000 But that type of corruption pales in comparison to the Trump administration.

00:28:35.000 It's like a hot day in Arizona compared to the surface of the sun.

00:28:38.000 So I think people are really frustrated right now.

00:28:40.000 And I guess my question back to you is because one thing you and I will probably agree on, again, I'm sure we'll disagree on a lot of stuff, is.

00:28:46.000 Institutionally, the systems are broken, the way we communicate are broken, we hate each other.

00:28:49.000 But you know, you're someone who in the last couple of years kind of changed your alignment.

00:28:52.000 You've gone from somebody who was certainly like more liberal, attacking George W. Bush.

00:28:56.000 Like, I've known you, you know, generally, I've seen a couple of your movies, like Forgetting Sarah Marshall and stuff like that.

00:29:00.000 But as somebody who's been like part of the Hollywood elite, now you've transitioned.

00:29:03.000 I want to get into that at some point, but I want to know, like, what's your reaction to Trump's first year and a half in office?

00:29:08.000 Like, what's your reaction to the economy now?

00:29:09.000 Because you live here, I think, now, right in Florida.

00:29:12.000 Um, and like, you tell me, like, I want to know where you're at on this because I have a hard time believing that anybody.

00:29:17.000 Is really enjoying what's happening in Washington right now.

00:29:19.000 It just feels like we're spiraling out of control.

00:29:22.000 What I feel is that both political parties, or indeed you might even be able to apply this more universally than even across your very distinct and particular nation,

00:29:38.000 the parties that represent social democracy and liberalism, I think, have a greater culpability than the overtly conservative traditionalist parties that have always aligned with free market politics and.

00:29:53.000 Trade and always been explicit about that.

00:29:54.000 And it was an argument that I was kind of aware of when I would, I recognize now incorrectly affiliated with what I would maybe now refer to as kind of cost free champagne socialism or the kind of elitist liberalism that doesn't sort of demand a tax of its participants.

00:30:14.000 When I was involved in that, because I find activism interesting and I intuited or understood at least, I believe correctly, that establishment politics can't deliver anything other than.

00:30:29.000 The ongoing sustenance of the system itself, and that the system can accommodate easily, effortlessly, and gratefully, what to it is a minor fluctuation between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump.

00:30:46.000 That to where real power is designated and lies is as relevant as switching hats or ties or pins.

00:30:57.000 And I sometimes feel that that's really all it amounts to.

00:31:01.000 The reason that I started to find Trump appealing, like a lot of people I imagine, is because he was in particular, I would say, in the primaries in 2015 and in the 2016 election, diagnosing the problem, at least rhetorically correctly.

00:31:23.000 An example would be I, to Hillary Clinton, I exploit the loopholes that your donors use.

00:31:30.000 That kind of language sort of blew open establishment doors.

00:31:34.000 And for someone like me who would previously have thought of Donald Trump just as a billionaire and a real estate guy and a celebrity, and they're sort of, you know, at that point, I wouldn't even have thought of him as a particularly skilled media operator necessarily.

00:31:49.000 I hadn't paid much attention like most people.

00:31:53.000 I began to see that what he was was the kind, it was conjured from the kind of collective imagination of your country, that your country had reached such a crisis with that.

00:32:05.000 Cadaverous incumbent Joe Biden, that the deception had become so sort of unignorable, so awful.

00:32:13.000 And also, when witnessed through the somewhat cosmic lens of Obama's couple of terms and the crash in 2008, and the rise of populism and the failure to bail out ordinary Americans in that financial crash, and the obvious fealty to the financial industry, what became plain is that American politics was kind of a performance.

00:32:36.000 That it had become about casting, that Barack Obama is a sort of a beautiful orator and a brilliant person to place on the zoetrope, the screen, the lens of politics.

00:32:46.000 But when it comes to delivery, what was delivered?

00:32:49.000 And if we become, if we are willing to settle for and become satisfied with the thin gruel of superficial stimulation that can be offered even when apparently addressing something as important as the race issues that have.

00:33:05.000 Defined your country from the Civil War onwards, if indeed that's what that was about, rather than mass industrialization and the building of a war machine.

00:33:13.000 That if Barack Obama was a kind of meaningless distraction, if Bill Clinton was just sort of a Kennedy reboot, kind of razzmatazz piece of hypocrisy and corruption, if Hillary Clinton was an interesting figure, I think, because she somehow.

00:33:32.000 Hey, Russell, before you go further down all the rabbit hole, I just want to kind of get clarity on this last year and a half because I understand what you're saying, which is the system feels rigged.

00:33:41.000 It feels like a performance.

00:33:42.000 And you were attracted to Donald Trump because he was willing to say the things that other politicians.

00:33:46.000 Wouldn't.

00:33:46.000 That's something I'll give Donald Trump credit on.

00:33:48.000 He's very good.

00:33:49.000 But you talked about, I think you used the phrase like artificial stimulation or something like that, or some kind of performance.

00:33:54.000 Like that feels like everything that is the MAGA movement today is that the people who are sticking with Trump are doing it and it's a full performance.

00:34:01.000 So, like, what's your take just on this last year and a half?

00:34:03.000 Let's assume for a minute, you know, you're right about Biden.

00:34:05.000 Let's say I don't agree with everything on that.

00:34:07.000 But like, what has the last year and a half looked like?

00:34:09.000 Because that feels to me like where we're really spiraling out of control and we have the wrong type of person in who said everything that people wanted to hear about the system.

00:34:17.000 And then it's literally doing the opposite, right?

00:34:19.000 He promised no new wars.

00:34:20.000 He launched this war in Iran. 0.77

00:34:21.000 He said he was going to make everything less expensive.

00:34:23.000 Everything's way more expensive now.

00:34:25.000 The job market's a mess.

00:34:26.000 He promised like a golden age.

00:34:27.000 Like, where do we get that?

00:34:29.000 And I just, I want to know where you're at as somebody who's aligned himself with him after being somewhere else in the political spectrum for so long.

00:34:35.000 Well, firstly, I probably would begin with rejecting the idea of alignment.

00:34:40.000 And I don't expect people to watch my content.

00:34:46.000 That's my perception of it.

00:34:47.000 Like, just so that you understand coming into it, it's like my perception of this is.

00:34:51.000 You've long been a person who was, you know, part of that.

00:34:53.000 And you called it yourself, right?

00:34:54.000 Champagne liberalism.

00:34:55.000 And I think that's a very valid critique of a lot of people in my party.

00:34:59.000 But you realigned yourself, from my view, in this MAGA movement, also with the Christianity and the conversion stuff, which I want to talk about because I'm a practicing Catholic.

00:35:06.000 I think we can have an interesting conversation about that.

00:35:09.000 But I just really want to know because to me, it's like you do seem more aligned on the MAGA side of things.

00:35:13.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean, I think you spoke very publicly in favor of Donald Trump in 2024.

00:35:18.000 No?

00:35:21.000 Well, I don't.

00:35:22.000 Think that's necessarily the case.

00:35:24.000 And there's a kind of sort of it.

00:35:25.000 And as the, I think as these institutions, I think they're collapsing.

00:35:30.000 I think that's what's happening.

00:35:32.000 And I think that the fetishization and fixation on the livery and hue of the political party is actually, Mike, a significant part of the problem.

00:35:43.000 And even the sort of micro analysis of this, what do you think though about this particular 18 months seems like a line of inquiry designed to create a sort of a pocket.

00:35:55.000 Of condemnation, which is in alignment with your own.

00:35:58.000 I'm not trying to create a pocket condemnation.

00:36:00.000 One second, darling.

00:36:01.000 One second, sweetheart.

00:36:02.000 Well, I just want you to answer my question, Russell, though.

00:36:04.000 It's like it feels like you're dancing around it.

00:36:06.000 And I just like, because I'm not trying to be disrespectful.

00:36:08.000 I appreciate you giving me the space.

00:36:10.000 I just, you told people to vote for Donald Trump, I believe, in the summer of 2024.

00:36:14.000 And I just want to know where you're at on that.

00:36:15.000 I'm asking that out of a place of genuine curiosity because you've been good enough to offer me a space on your show.

00:36:20.000 But I want to know, like, this last year and this year.

00:36:23.000 I understand, Mike.

00:36:24.000 We're on Zoom.

00:36:25.000 So let's not talk over one another because it would just be tedious and frustrating.

00:36:30.000 And I will ask long questions and I will give long answers, but I won't interrupt you because, you know, I've not really got anything to demonstrate or prove because my actual position, I'll tell you candidly and quickly.

00:36:47.000 Right, we're leaving YouTube now.

00:36:48.000 Click the link in the description.

00:36:49.000 Get over to Rumble and join us there.

00:36:52.000 The institutions and the systems themselves are broken.

00:36:56.000 And corrupt beyond repair.

00:36:59.000 At the advent of the Iran war, I felt, and with the ongoing disclosures around the Epstein files, I think we reached a point of new fatigue as a previously enthusiastic, 0.58

00:37:15.000 let's say, and zealous political group or tribe began to appreciate and understand that, regardless of who's operating the levers of a very limited machine, not to suggest it's not a powerful and expansive machine, but it's limited in its intentions, it will.

00:37:33.000 Ultimately, deliver results that are so similar to what would have happened under Kamala Harris that those of us that spend time quibbling and quarreling about outcomes are participants, in much the manner that you said that if you're participating in hateful rhetoric in the streams, you are part of the problem.

00:37:52.000 So, what I believe is that we have to focus on decentralized systems of administration rather than government that focus on participatory democracy at the most local level possible.

00:38:08.000 Diminishing and limiting the power of the state, forming alliances between independent communities wherever possible, these communities should be food and energy independent.

00:38:20.000 And the kind of cultural conflict that we all spend a lot of time online discussing and poring over, and no one really making any meaningful contributions, if you ask me, whether that's in the mainstream of Jimmy Kimmel or more marginalized spaces like this one.

00:38:37.000 To answer your question, Is what is happening with Trump in office kind of what I thought would happen?

00:38:45.000 Yes, it sort of kind of is.

00:38:47.000 It's the ongoing, and to my point about like Nixon and the hippie movement, the reason that I brought that up is I love John Lennon.

00:38:55.000 I love him.

00:38:56.000 And when you see that documentary, you realize how naive he was.

00:38:59.000 You realize that the hippies had no ideology and that the Christian movement around Nixon had no authenticity.

00:39:06.000 And that, it seems to me, is part of the problem now.

00:39:10.000 The people that have the right idea that Christ is real.

00:39:13.000 And accessible to all of us are in a performative space.

00:39:18.000 The people that are very interested in compassion and protecting vulnerable people from marginalized groups don't have a clear ideology.

00:39:26.000 And I think that the problem is that you can't practice these things at scale, that we've got to have a more macro perspective, Mike.

00:39:32.000 You can't say, would it work if it was Gavin Newsom or AOC or Marco Rubio?

00:39:38.000 Let's roll the dice again.

00:39:40.000 And any conversation that sort of steers me in that direction, the truth is, I feel bored.

00:39:44.000 Bored by it because I know that the solution is the dismantling of these institutions and the instantiation of participatory democracy wherever possible initially using the very technology that you would use to set up to take advantage of Airbnb or Uber or vote on a talent show.

00:40:03.000 That once you have an established budget in an area, a defined area, that participatory democracy should be deployed immediately.

00:40:10.000 So whether or not, I don't think, like I said in 2015, I don't want to argue about the difference between Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump.

00:40:17.000 It's not an argument worth having.

00:40:19.000 And the difference is not significant enough.

00:40:22.000 Now, obviously, things have happened in my own personal life and my own experience of, for example, censorship and challenges within the media and institutional challenges that meant, like, on an emotional level, and I've spoken about this before, that Donald Trump's sort of bullishness and pithiness and sort of wit and even his individualism and occasional megalomania have been at points of intriguing to me.

00:40:46.000 But I'd sort of, You know, we're all on the Titanic.

00:40:49.000 We're all on it.

00:40:50.000 And I don't have any sort of passion for analysis or critiques of the various incumbents of Westminster or DC because I think that that is just the sustenance of the illusion itself.

00:41:05.000 So that's my position on it.

00:41:07.000 I'm not like, oh, I wish I'd never said this or that.

00:41:10.000 I just think it's, and that's what I'd put to you is that if you're in any, like, you know, because I don't know what you're sort of doing now.

00:41:16.000 I'm really interested in your personal spiritual changes and your experiences as a person that's raised money for the Democrat Party.

00:41:22.000 But, If your general talos as a man is, and this is how I'm going to raise money for this member of the Democrat Party, that you're still in it.

00:41:31.000 And I'm not in it anymore.

00:41:32.000 I'm with our Lord.

00:41:35.000 So there's, again, just a ton to unpack there.

00:41:39.000 So you've kind of implied a couple of times that your viewpoint is that there's not a huge difference between electing Kamala Harris president or Donald Trump president.

00:41:48.000 You said the same thing about Bernie Sanders.

00:41:49.000 And I worked for Bernie in this 2016 campaign.

00:41:52.000 I think there's a massive gulf between the two of them.

00:41:55.000 And I can understand your POV from a participatory democracy standpoint.

00:41:58.000 And I always tell people, like, go get involved in local office.

00:42:01.000 Like, I ran for local school council.

00:42:03.000 I serve on the school council for a little school down the street here.

00:42:06.000 My son doesn't go there, my son goes to another school.

00:42:07.000 And, like, I'll tell people all the time the most gratifying thing I've done in the last year has not been anything at work where I raised money or, you know, getting a pat on the back from one of my candidates or, you know, getting a YouTube video that goes viral or any of that.

00:42:18.000 It has literally been sourcing beanbag chairs for these kids that needed it in a sensory room because that was something I could actually do with my hands to get something done.

00:42:26.000 And I wish people would spend more time on that.

00:42:28.000 But I will say, I just, to me, I fundamentally reject the idea that there's no difference between the two political parties.

00:42:34.000 And I've always really hated that argument.

00:42:36.000 And I fought it with every person I've ever met who said that before, because it feels to me like a rejection of reality.

00:42:42.000 Because, yes, you're right, in a perfect world, the institutions would not work the way that they do.

00:42:45.000 We would not have a two party system.

00:42:47.000 We would have something that was probably more decentralized.

00:42:49.000 But we have what we have right now.

00:42:51.000 And people ask me all the time, especially when I do shows like this, where I'm talking to somebody who, Don't have the same POV that I do, doesn't have the same perspective on politics.

00:43:01.000 Like I'm a Democrat.

00:43:02.000 I'm probably more of an independent if I'm being honest with you, but I've always chose to be a member of the Democratic Party because I recognize that there's really two viable choices in American government today.

00:43:10.000 You have the Republican Party, you have the Democratic Party.

00:43:12.000 None of these third parties are ever going to win.

00:43:13.000 Okay.

00:43:13.000 And the system is at somewhat level rigged for a certain group of people to always do well, right?

00:43:18.000 Same people that are profiteering off the war in Iran right now.

00:43:20.000 And I've already talked about that.

00:43:21.000 But when the Democratic Party loses, people die, in my view.

00:43:27.000 And it is not to say the Democratic Party is.

00:43:29.000 Perfect.

00:43:29.000 It is not.

00:43:30.000 There's plenty of things the Democratic Party gets wrong, and I'm happy to go in and talk about that stuff. 0.99

00:43:33.000 But Kamala Harris would not have gotten us engaged in the stupid war in Iran. 0.99

00:43:36.000 Okay. 0.99

00:43:37.000 That is a violation of Donald Trump's core campaign promise that he particularly made to young men.

00:43:42.000 His value proposition to young men under 30, under 40 was the economy's bad for you.

00:43:47.000 I'm going to help you get a good paying job.

00:43:48.000 I'm going to make everything less expensive. 1.00

00:43:49.000 I'm going to help you get a mate. 0.98

00:43:50.000 I'm going to help you buy a house, all that.

00:43:52.000 And I'm not going to send you off to die in another forever war.

00:43:54.000 And he's broken those promises to them.

00:43:55.000 That's why no other group in this country, based on the polling and focus group data, has turned on Donald Trump more.

00:44:00.000 Than young men in this country, white, black, brown, everybody in between.

00:44:02.000 And it is a huge problem for the Republican Party because they built a good chunk of their base.

00:44:06.000 The only reason Trump got elected was because he did so well with young men in the 2024 election.

00:44:11.000 By breaking those promises, I think he's put himself in a very difficult position.

00:44:15.000 I just, to me though, and I'll add one more thought here and I'll hand the mic back to you, Russell, is just it seems to me, and again, I understand a little bit where you're coming from, but there is like a giant ecosystem of people who are part of this MAGA media machine, is what I've called it before.

00:44:33.000 And maybe you don't identify as part of that, but I think to a lot of people on the outside, you are a part of that.

00:44:38.000 Now, this is my first time on Rumble.

00:44:39.000 Okay.

00:44:39.000 I don't know the Rumble ecosystem, but I mostly associate it with guys like Nick Fuentes and stuff like that.

00:44:45.000 And it seems to me like you are a part of that and you are sort of carrying the water for that.

00:44:49.000 Now you're doing it under the guise of I'm questioning authority and I'm questioning the institutions, but you're then leading a lot of people to go to Donald Trump to vote for him.

00:44:56.000 That's my perception of it.

00:44:57.000 You want to tell me that I'm wrong about that?

00:44:58.000 I'm open to hearing that I'm wrong about that because, frankly, just like you, I am really bored with the way we talk about politics and I am really bored with the way that we hate each other.

00:45:06.000 It's part of the reason I'm here.

00:45:07.000 When my staff brought me this opportunity, when your team reached out to mine, I was skeptical to do it, but I sat down and I thought about it.

00:45:13.000 It'll be an interesting conversation, it'll be different than anything I've done before.

00:45:13.000 I'm like, you know what?

00:45:16.000 And maybe a handful of people out there will go, Hey, I like that Mike Nellis guy, but he seems like he's honest.

00:45:20.000 I want to listen to him.

00:45:21.000 So just break the silos.

00:45:23.000 But again, there's a whole ecosystem of this.

00:45:25.000 And I don't know if you followed this at all.

00:45:27.000 Is there a woman named Riley Gaines?

00:45:28.000 I don't know how familiar you are with Riley, if you've ever met her. 0.98

00:45:31.000 But in this last week, she's been embroiled in this controversy because she was like her team leaked a video of her doing an ad read where the advertiser had to tell her specifically what her values were. 0.88

00:45:41.000 And it was super embarrassing.

00:45:42.000 And so to me, it's like I'm coming into this space as somebody who really truly believes.

00:45:46.000 In the things that I care about, the things that drive me to be a Democrat, to vote, to work with my clients.

00:45:50.000 I'm also, like I said before, I'm a practicing Catholic.

00:45:52.000 My Catholicism is a really important part.

00:45:54.000 I believe I'm my brother's keeper.

00:45:56.000 I go to Mass on Sundays.

00:45:57.000 It is super, super important to me and who I am.

00:45:59.000 I have a quote from Pope Leo back here.

00:46:02.000 It's right behind me, but it's in this little typewriter thing that we have back here.

00:46:02.000 You can't see it.

00:46:05.000 But it's super important to me.

00:46:06.000 And it feels like there's a lot of people who are fakes and phonies out there.

00:46:08.000 And so to me, it just seems highly problematic.

00:46:11.000 And that's why I kind of came in here to understand a little bit more about it and engage with you on it.

00:46:15.000 Thank you.

00:46:15.000 I think that actually fakes and phonies is.

00:46:19.000 Is a part of the problem because it's, as you've observed, it's an economy with economic incentives.

00:46:28.000 Whether that's scale, think of Oprah Winfrey hosting Kamala and like a bunch of traditional Hollywood movie stars, or Joe Rogan having Trump on.

00:46:42.000 It's a sort of a political landscape where the incentives can be complex and we're reliant on the authenticity and integrity of the.

00:46:51.000 Participants in the media space, but we also would be wise to pay attention to their likely fallibility.

00:46:59.000 Now, like, I'm not claiming that I'm a person that doesn't have biases or prejudices and that I haven't been carried by various tides and fluctuations and tumults in my own life.

00:47:11.000 There's no question that that kind of thing happens.

00:47:13.000 And where they've led me, this was a really instructional moment for me, actually, Mike.

00:47:21.000 Just on YouTube years ago, saw Bannon addressing the Oxford Union.

00:47:27.000 And it was while Corbyn, who's Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the UK Labour Party, sort of a socialist, a supporter of Palestine, and I would say a politician of great integrity, was sort of enjoying some popularity in the UK, which was creating a lot of optimism among young people and young voters.

00:47:48.000 And Bannon said, still sort of spattered from the rain and kind of looking.

00:47:53.000 Every inch, what you would want from this sort of anachronistic and peculiar political figure, this Machiavel.

00:48:01.000 He said, sort of boldly, confidently, knowing that he was addressing a cynical, maybe even antithetical or vituperative, I don't know, like an audience that did not like him.

00:48:18.000 And he said to them, You're never going to own houses.

00:48:20.000 You're never going to get a mortgage.

00:48:22.000 And the reason for this is when the economy crashed in 2008, these events happened, these papers were signed, this is the outcome.

00:48:28.000 These are the results.

00:48:29.000 And he said, the future belongs to populism.

00:48:31.000 We don't know yet whether it's going to be populism on the left or populism on the right.

00:48:35.000 We don't know.

00:48:36.000 But it's going to belong to populism.

00:48:38.000 I watched it with kind of chills and intrigue because I sort of myself, like, the reason I like someone like Jeremy Corbyn is I believe in him.

00:48:45.000 And I believe that Jeremy Corbyn is motivated by a sort of righteousness.

00:48:50.000 He doesn't like the monarchy.

00:48:53.000 I would presume he's an atheist. 0.99

00:48:55.000 But I believe that he believes what he's saying.

00:48:59.000 Now, there's two things here where, like, you know, gosh, accusations of hypocrisy are scarcely going to register with me these days, some of the things that I've been accused of.

00:49:10.000 My point is this I've lived in a lot of worlds now, Mike.

00:49:12.000 I've been inside Hollywood.

00:49:14.000 I've been inside of the British aristocracy.

00:49:16.000 I've been poor.

00:49:18.000 I've been wealthy.

00:49:19.000 I've been an atheist. 0.60

00:49:19.000 I've been a heroin addict. 0.60

00:49:21.000 I've been in crack houses.

00:49:22.000 I've been around.

00:49:23.000 I've been around. 0.97

00:49:25.000 And more than ever, I've recognized my naivety, my fallibility, my flaws, my foolishness.

00:49:33.000 All of these things are very vivid and very real to me.

00:49:36.000 I don't claim any authority over anything or anybody other than the people I'm responsible for, you know, literally my children, my wife, you know.

00:49:46.000 But what I feel like is that when you say something like, you know, like I don't want to say blithe, but like when you say we have what we have, it breaks my heart.

00:49:56.000 It breaks my heart because you're accepting the premise, the very premise that prevents us proceeding.

00:50:04.000 Because if good men that are willing to participate in the acquisition of beanbags for some school think this is all we got, with all of this.

00:50:14.000 Technology, with this ability for instantaneous communication, with the pervasive political despair, with the ongoing genocides and war and corruption, with the great heroes of the military's lives being squandered like loose change, not just in your country, but yours, is the one that matters most. 0.88

00:50:35.000 It's the pole that, along with China, that's going to determine the trajectory of the globe.

00:50:40.000 If if if, you were like, well, this is what we got and this is the way it is.

00:50:43.000 I don't think that's what our lord was saying.

00:50:46.000 I think our lord's saying, revolution is coming, The first will be last.

00:50:51.000 And like the way that my new and still raw love of Christ cannot be collapsed into and therefore, you know, like I've spoken at Turning Point and stuff, mate.

00:51:02.000 I mean, I'm like just working it out and looking around.

00:51:05.000 And as I said at Turning Point, my love of Jesus Christ cannot be collapsed into and therefore vote Republican.

00:51:13.000 In fact, it's much more like what I said in 2015 in my country, which was probably the beginning of me having a pretty difficult relationship with the UK media and maybe those institutions in general.

00:51:23.000 Do not vote for any of them. 0.98

00:51:25.000 And don't let anyone tell you that that is like, oh, the suffragettes died because of corruption, because of bullshit, because of injudicious attitudes, because of lies. 0.98

00:51:36.000 And believe me, this system, this satanic system, for we fight not against flesh and blood, but against dark forces in the heavenly realm, they're more than adept enough to accommodate for whether or not it's Gavin Newsom rebooted or AOC dressed up. 0.98

00:51:55.000 Or Marco Rubio with a mustache.

00:51:58.000 They're way, way ahead of us.

00:52:00.000 These institutions, if you ask me, are Luciferian.

00:52:03.000 And I mean that literally false light, self contained circuit, belief in sovereignty outside of his divine appointed authority.

00:52:13.000 So I feel that what we're going to do, like what our conversation could be and should be and ought be, and I want it to be, and I'm encouraged by your faith, is an opportunity to say, all right, okay, so, you know, it's not going to happen overnight.

00:52:26.000 We're not going to immediately overnight unless.

00:52:28.000 There is an armed revolution, demand decentralization, and that every borough, principality, state, down to the smallest manageable unit, is controlled by the people that live there.

00:52:39.000 A kind of sets of omishness where people just live how they want to live, and people's sexuality and people's religious and political affiliations become irrelevant unless you're directly affected by them and outside of the obvious mosaic and deuteronomic guidance that we all understand.

00:52:57.000 We all know murder's wrong, we all know it's wrong to touch.

00:53:00.000 People without consent.

00:53:01.000 We all know it's wrong to steal.

00:53:02.000 We all understand that.

00:53:03.000 We can't pretend that we live in some mad post structural, there's no truth, there's only chaos world.

00:53:08.000 The reason it's so, like, yeah, I'll shut up.

00:53:10.000 I know, thank you.

00:53:10.000 You've been extremely patient there.

00:53:12.000 But my point is that we should focus our shared resources, even if our resources are just our ability to talk now, on why we wouldn't fight for meaningful change.

00:53:21.000 You're independent, I'm independent.

00:53:22.000 And the reason we're independent is because anything else is a pretense.

00:53:27.000 Well, so I think I would start here is that I think about my faith in the context of works.

00:53:33.000 Like, you know, faith without works is nothing.

00:53:35.000 And I think that there are a lot of people who profess Christianity.

00:53:39.000 And I'm coming into this conversation, I think it's pretty clear at this point, with a healthy dose of skepticism here for anybody that's sort of in my mind, MAGA, Jason, you again will refute that, which is fine.

00:53:48.000 You just talked about, you know, speaking of Turning Point USA, you can understand how that would give me a certain amount of trepidation here.

00:53:53.000 But, you know, I'm just going to share with you, because I pulled it up here on my laptop, is my favorite religious thing I've ever read, which was Pope Francis's homily.

00:54:04.000 In Easter of 2017, because I often tell people, like, this is my politics.

00:54:07.000 Like, this is like, forget the partisanship or the Democratic Party, Republican Party, or anything.

00:54:11.000 But he's giving a homily in 2017.

00:54:15.000 He talks about the two Marys who were going to look at Jesus' tomb on the third day, and they eventually find that he's not there.

00:54:21.000 And he talks about how they're grieving.

00:54:23.000 And you can see the look in their face of the deep sadness that they feel.

00:54:27.000 And here's what he says He goes, If we try to imagine this scene, we see in the faces of these women any number of other faces, the faces of mothers and grandmothers.

00:54:35.000 Of children and young people who bear the grievous burden of injustice and brutality.

00:54:39.000 In their faces, we see reflected all those who, walking the streets of our cities, feel the pain of dire poverty, the sorrow born of exploitation and human trafficking.

00:54:47.000 We can see the faces of those who are greeted with contempt because they are immigrants, deprived of country, house, and family.

00:54:52.000 We see faces whose eyes bespoke loneliness and abandonment because their hands are creased with wrinkles.

00:54:57.000 Their faces mirror the faces of women, mothers who weep as they see the lives of their children crushed by massive corruption that strips them of their rights and shatters their dreams.

00:55:05.000 By daily acts of selfishness that crucify and then bury people's hopes.

00:55:08.000 By paralyzing and barren bureaucracies that stand in the way of change.

00:55:12.000 In their grief, these two women reflect the faces of all those who, walking the streets of our city, behold human dignity crucified.

00:55:19.000 Behold human dignity crucified.

00:55:21.000 I think about that line every single day because really what that's about is hopelessness.

00:55:25.000 It's the way that the system makes you feel.

00:55:28.000 And what's upsetting to me in this moment in time is like, I agree with you.

00:55:32.000 In a perfect world, we would tear everything down.

00:55:33.000 But barring an armed revolution, which I think would be even more dangerous than the situation we find ourselves in in this country, we have to use the system to fix the system.

00:55:41.000 And so we need people to engage in that and recognize that.

00:55:43.000 That's why I choose to be a member of the Democratic Party, even though they make me want to pull my hair out a lot of the time.

00:55:48.000 Democratic Party drives me absolutely crazy.

00:55:50.000 But again, my belief is when we lose elections, people die because that's how far off I think the Republican Party is.

00:55:56.000 I mean, look at the situation right now under this administration.

00:55:58.000 They are targeting and terrorizing immigrant communities.

00:56:01.000 You have people who are dying on our streets, who are being disappeared, who are ending up in basically internment camps.

00:56:05.000 I think that's a real problem.

00:56:06.000 You talk about decentralization of power.

00:56:08.000 No president in my lifetime certainly has centralized more power in the executive branch than Donald Trump.

00:56:13.000 Congress is a joke.

00:56:14.000 And under this Republican leadership, he never stands up to Donald Trump, never holds him accountable.

00:56:18.000 He basically more or less controls the Supreme Court.

00:56:20.000 They'll slap him down every now and again.

00:56:22.000 He's targeted the First Amendment, the Second Amendment.

00:56:24.000 He's gone after women, he's gone after independent content creators.

00:56:26.000 He's abused the power of the FCC to go after comedians that he doesn't like.

00:56:29.000 It's sad.

00:56:30.000 Hell, he literally sold out a bunch of elderly people in this country.

00:56:34.000 He took basically a bribe for his PAC, MAGA Inc.

00:56:36.000 Donald Trump took a bribe to have them overturn a Biden era rule that required a certain number of staff to work at nursing homes all across the country to make sure they had the care that they needed.

00:56:44.000 They donated like $500,000 or something like that, and he overturned that rule for them.

00:56:48.000 The corruption in this administration, and listen, Washington's always been corrupt, guys.

00:56:52.000 I'm not going to sit here and tell you the Democratic Party doesn't have tons of corruption.

00:56:54.000 Okay, go look at Nancy Pelosi's stock portfolio.

00:56:56.000 I'm not going to pretend that it's not an issue in my party.

00:56:58.000 But it is so vastly gone.

00:57:00.000 And it bothers me.

00:57:01.000 And again, to come back to sort of the way that at least I've been trying to frame this, is like, I am a skeptic of yours, Russell.

00:57:07.000 Again, I appreciate you having me on the show.

00:57:09.000 But like your conversion to Christianity, your conversion to sort of this MAGA adjacent questioning institution stuff feels a little convenient to me at times.

00:57:17.000 And I want to understand it better.

00:57:18.000 Like I want to try to give you the benefit of the doubt.

00:57:20.000 But obviously, like, you know, there's credible accusations.

00:57:22.000 You sort of referred to them before.

00:57:24.000 I saw you talk about them with Piers Morgan.

00:57:25.000 I saw you talk about them with Megyn Kelly.

00:57:26.000 I know that you deny them, but they're credible.

00:57:28.000 There's investigations, there's trials that are going on.

00:57:30.000 There's stuff happening here in the States too.

00:57:32.000 It feels to me, Like from sitting from the outside of it, and you know your heart better than I do.

00:57:37.000 Your relationship with God is between you and God.

00:57:37.000 Okay.

00:57:39.000 You know the truth.

00:57:39.000 I don't.

00:57:40.000 I'm not going to pretend like I do, but it feels to me performative.

00:57:44.000 And you see that all throughout this MAGA ecosystem where there's all of this death, destruction, corruption, thievery, chaos that's just tearing this country down, not in an effort to solve anything that's going to actually improve people's lives.

00:57:56.000 And you see that like Nicki Minaj is another one, right?

00:57:58.000 Like the MAGA movement and Donald Trump were so happy to trot out Nicki Minaj and be like, look at this cool, famous person that we have.

00:58:04.000 We're pulling her out to these events.

00:58:06.000 TPUSA has her at a thing, blah, blah, blah.

00:58:08.000 Turns out she's conservative now.

00:58:09.000 She's seen Christ.

00:58:10.000 She's seen Donald Trump as her Lord and Savior.

00:58:13.000 And it turns out why she needed a pardon for her brother.

00:58:15.000 She needs a pardon for her husband.

00:58:16.000 She's on the verge of losing her house and her career is falling apart.

00:58:20.000 It just, to me, that creates a healthy dose of skepticism.

00:58:23.000 That's why I don't believe it.

00:58:24.000 It doesn't feel like a lot of people in this space have deeply held beliefs.

00:58:26.000 They're going to do whatever they're paid to do.

00:58:28.000 I worry that people are paid or they're doing it to take advantage of others.

00:58:31.000 That's what scares the hell out of me in this moment is that because our institutions and the systems are so broken, people are looking to alternative voices to make sense of the world.

00:58:38.000 And then they're turning to people who are going to act as contrarians and go, the system's broken.

00:58:42.000 We have to decentralize everything.

00:58:43.000 We got to tear it all down.

00:58:44.000 And, like, to a certain degree, they're right.

00:58:46.000 But then they lead them down a path that is really not about their salvation, that is really not about improving this country.

00:58:51.000 It's about getting them angry and riled up so they don't notice the real problem, which, again, is not even really partisan.

00:58:57.000 It's that there's a small group of people who are profiteering off of our hatred of one another, either because they're stealing from the federal government or they're making money through social media platforms or some other form of corruption that's out there.

00:59:07.000 That's what bothers me.

00:59:08.000 And again, I come back to that line that I read to you in this homily, and I'll hand the mic back to you.

00:59:12.000 Behold human dignity crucified.

00:59:15.000 These people who are having their dignity stripped from them.

00:59:18.000 And so when we talk about this on a very high level place, we're like, yeah, the system is broken.

00:59:22.000 And I say it is what it is.

00:59:23.000 And I get that perspective that you're coming from, but the system is what it is.

00:59:28.000 And I have a responsibility now to do the most good that I can do.

00:59:31.000 And sometimes that's as simple as finding a beanbag chair to help those kids at the school.

00:59:35.000 That's one small act of resistance that I could do to make the world a better place.

00:59:38.000 And I think if more people did that, we'd be able to get into a better spot.

00:59:41.000 But what a lot of people are doing is they're spending time on their phone.

00:59:44.000 Just click, and we're all addicted to the hate and the anger and the dissatisfaction with one another.

00:59:48.000 We're not actually getting anything done.

00:59:50.000 And I think you can't fully disengage from this system and expect that system to change, barring an actual, like, physical revolution.

00:59:57.000 Like, that's the bottom line.

00:59:58.000 And there are guys on this platform who I disagree with who understand that, like Nick Fuentes.

01:00:02.000 Like, Fuentes understands that you've got to use the system to fix the system.

01:00:06.000 And he wants to take over the Republican Party for his dark image of that.

01:00:09.000 And that's a different conversation for a different day.

01:00:10.000 But that's my perspective on that.

01:00:12.000 Do you understand my skepticism in this?

01:00:14.000 I'm not trying to make a personal attack at you.

01:00:16.000 I just have come in with this stuff with a healthy dose of skepticism.

01:00:19.000 I understand what the word skepticism means.

01:00:19.000 Do you see why?

01:00:25.000 I understand what the word cynicism means.

01:00:27.000 I understand what hubris looks like.

01:00:30.000 And I, in a sense, in a way, Mike, I'm at a point where sort of abstract pontification and kind of grandstanding and listing stuff, and also what appears to me to be a sort of an inclination towards.

01:00:58.000 The kind of like I've come to know this audience somewhat well since participating in it, and I've come to know these people quite well.

01:01:07.000 I feel that what they've experienced talk about the say, like, you know, I live in the panhandle, and I think that what like what southern men and working class men and men that feel connected to the land and to their firearms and to their fishing have it seems to me have experienced is that they've been kind of loosely.

01:01:28.000 Characterized as rednecks and hicks and baskets of deplorables by intellectuals and participants in systems that require the ongoing sluicing of revenue to the tune of billions to prop up whether it's a slick operator in the Democratic Party or a more tumbling and fumbling iteration, 0.57

01:01:58.000 as with the last couple of candidates that the Democrats put out. 0.53

01:02:03.000 And I feel like that the skepticism and cynicism, if it's applied to individuals, and you've certainly applied it to me, then you should look to your own Christianity and to the teachings of Christ, the teachings of St. Paul.

01:02:20.000 He has a lot to say about hypocrisy, he has a lot to say about followers of Christ.

01:02:26.000 And that even if people are casting out demons in his name and they're insincere, Still, the work's getting done.

01:02:35.000 Now, with both these institutions that we're sort of circling in a way, the church, whether that's the Roman Catholic Church or the various iterations of Protestantism that you'll encounter in the United States or the Church of England in my own country, all these political institutions, what we sort of have is, I would say, a kind of misdirected faith that favors the submission of the individual not to God.

01:03:04.000 But to these systems, these human systems, whether their declarations are explicitly religious or explicitly political, that the individual is an interface with the divine, that we are present with him literally now, that it's not something that you can sort of refer to a statistic about or make some binary comparison between, well, it would have been better or it would have been worse, or like, you know,

01:03:31.000 it's puffed up hypotheses about what would have happened if it was Kamala and people die when the Democrats don't get.

01:03:39.000 Elected.

01:03:40.000 You see, like what's happened to me, mate, in this radical and it is so, in a sense, is a radical transformation because the acceptance of the man Christ and the God Christ is radical precisely because of the way that it orients you when it comes to self, that yourself is relevant only in so much as you are an expressor of his will and the recipient of his grace.

01:04:05.000 Other than that, we're all just a little.

01:04:09.000 Line of chorus dancers marching briefly through eternity, like the infatuation with self, whether it's sort of celebrities that are pro Democrat and Lord alone knows there's enough of them, or celebrities that are pro Trump and there's less of them.

01:04:23.000 And watching all these little cultures emerge is fascinating.

01:04:26.000 How do they do celebrity with the limitations they experience at Mar-a-Lago, or how do they do celebrity with their access to the Hollywood machine?

01:04:34.000 But all of this, mate, I'd say it's like what the tragedy for me is what's Accessible to you and I in scripture is a profound truth of a revolution that's kind of already taken place that requires, as he says so many times, only faith, only a mustard seed of faith, only a mustard seed of faith is all that's required of us to be participants in his kingdom.

01:05:00.000 What does that mean and what does that not mean?

01:05:02.000 Well, the fact that he uses continually allegory and parable means that it's something that's difficult for us to get our heads around, but it seems to me a couple of years in and many, many LSD trips and many, many.

01:05:14.000 Ashram sojourns that led to the Lord prior to Him, prior to the collapse into the simplicity of the cross, the visceral and involuntary cross.

01:05:23.000 I'd been encountering the supernatural for a long, long time in a variety of ways.

01:05:29.000 What's different about Christ is the fact that it can be so simple if what you require of it is that it's simple, that it can be so profound if that's what you require of it.

01:05:39.000 And, you know, mate, you're, you know, my assumption is that you're coming on here because you'll think, like, oh, at least people.

01:05:48.000 Like you can, like, righteously claim I'm reaching an audience that I wouldn't otherwise reach.

01:05:53.000 And maybe to grant you a glimpse at my own skepticism, it seems when I see you refer to notes that you're looking at your own clips and you're looking at your own.

01:06:04.000 I've taken notes about the things that you say, Russell.

01:06:04.000 If I may, if I may.

01:06:07.000 I just write in a note.

01:06:08.000 I appreciate that.

01:06:09.000 Or the screwdriver.

01:06:09.000 If you're going to accuse me of something, I want to be super clear about what I'm doing.

01:06:12.000 I have a notepad right here.

01:06:13.000 It is very, very, and you have a laptop open as well.

01:06:16.000 And it's also significant and important.

01:06:19.000 To ensure with all accusations, to remember one of the primary terms for the fallen one the accuser, the doubter, the enemy.

01:06:29.000 And he engages with all of us similarly.

01:06:32.000 None of us can turn up haughty and supercilious, Mike, and deal with one another.

01:06:36.000 No one gets to talk down to someone on the basis of assumption.

01:06:40.000 No one gets to declare, sort of like somewhat piously and if I may say, pharisaically, you know, like I'm somewhat skeptical.

01:06:48.000 You're just a guy who's going to die.

01:06:49.000 I'm a guy. 1.00

01:06:50.000 That's going to die. 0.84

01:06:52.000 You've got your beliefies. 0.98

01:06:54.000 I've got mine.

01:06:55.000 You've got some stuff you like saying, some stuff you like doing, some tricks that have worked for you up to now, a few pounds lost, a few dollars gained.

01:07:04.000 And if we're not participating in the kingdom, my friend, we're participating in the empire.

01:07:09.000 If, like, the sum total of this for you is a few Instagram followers and a few dollars more for Kamala Harris, I'd say that we've both significantly been robbed and shortchanged.

01:07:21.000 So, How do I feel about your skepticism?

01:07:24.000 I understand it and I don't mind.

01:07:27.000 I'm here recognizing that moment to moment, I'm surrendering to him.

01:07:34.000 He must become greater.

01:07:35.000 I must become less.

01:07:36.000 If part of that process is I listen to you for a minute before I go to my next interview, I do that.

01:07:43.000 If part of it is I attend a trial because of, you know, stuff that I'm, you know, if I may sort of politely direct you in the right direction.

01:07:54.000 Towards the right territory is something I can't really talk about because I've been instructed that there would be consequences.

01:07:59.000 So, you know, but like, you know, you're a father, I'm a father, you're a Christian, I'm a Christian.

01:08:07.000 You believe the Democrat Party and the Republican Party aren't fit for purpose.

01:08:12.000 So, what my intention is, is to speak to people in good faith with an open heart, recognizing that, yeah, you're a broken person.

01:08:24.000 I don't know what you do at 3 a.m. to get your kicks and to get you through the day and through the night.

01:08:29.000 I don't know what you say.

01:08:30.000 I'm going to sleep.

01:08:32.000 I'm old now.

01:08:32.000 I sleep.

01:08:33.000 I'm glad to hear it.

01:08:35.000 Like, or what comes up in your confession through the greats.

01:08:37.000 But presumably, when you're talking to a priest, you're not just saying, I'm fantastic.

01:08:41.000 I've got it all worked out.

01:08:42.000 I've done this and that.

01:08:43.000 I'm clever.

01:08:44.000 Presumably not.

01:08:45.000 So, you know, man, I come from some real brokenness.

01:08:50.000 And my affinity with the broken people of the world is a real and experienced one.

01:08:56.000 That's where I come from, it's who I am.

01:08:58.000 And my sort of movements through the culture, that's being directed sometimes by self will.

01:09:05.000 Never good.

01:09:06.000 Sometimes when I'm not in self will, I'm with him.

01:09:09.000 And when I'm with him, his grace will be expressed.

01:09:12.000 And his ingenuity will go way beyond what can be prescribed bureaucratically or autocratically by any of the denizens and incumbents of DC or Westminster, what they can dream up.

01:09:24.000 And whilst the version of it that you describe is a little more inoculated, it's still very ugly.

01:09:34.000 And this is what I feel about despotism and centralized imperialism in this coming age.

01:09:40.000 Is it will not be under the jack boot but under the gentle caress of the caring that new imperialism will owe as much to Aldous Huxley's soma as it will to Orwell's boot stomping on the face?

01:09:55.000 And as a Christian, I'll remind you that that face that's being stamped on is the signature of our Lord, and I'd yours and mine equally, no different to him, no different to him.

01:10:06.000 So, what am I saying?

01:10:07.000 What's the point in having this conversation?

01:10:09.000 Because, precisely, actually, I'd like my audience to see how I speak to someone that's a Democrat.

01:10:13.000 Hopefully, they'll say.

01:10:14.000 With respect, with compassion, with consideration, with an open heart, completely interested, in good faith, with the assumption that if you like, you know, when the Titanic starts to go down, we are fathers who are going to want to protect our children and protect our families and hopefully have enough grace to see that your children and my children are ultimately our children.

01:10:33.000 No man and woman in heaven.

01:10:35.000 You know, like, mate, I'm not dumb, huh?

01:10:36.000 So when I'm reading this stuff for the first time, making my way through the Bible, I'm noticing no marriage in heaven, no man and woman in heaven.

01:10:45.000 It crushes me that it's so close, that we are somehow uniquely signed by him, uniquely purposed for him.

01:10:50.000 But when we make our identity our gods, we collapse and fall.

01:10:54.000 That the compassion of the left, if tethered to the tradition, fortitude of the right, if we can learn to find some like respect and good grace for one another, and that I think will be, we'll know that by its fruits, my brother, because it won't sound like, I got a healthy skepticism.

01:11:12.000 It won't sound like that.

01:11:14.000 It won't sound like performance.

01:11:16.000 I ain't performing.

01:11:17.000 I've earned a lot of money in my life for performing, a lot of money.

01:11:21.000 And what I know now is the authenticity is the only currency we have.

01:11:26.000 So if you talk to people and they're very honest about their brokenness, their flaws, their addiction, the mistakes they've made, they're probably telling the truth.

01:11:33.000 They're not going to be perfect in the same way you're not perfect.

01:11:36.000 But when anybody sort of seems sort of slick or polished, for me, even prepared slightly appalls me because of his spontaneity.

01:11:44.000 I may not yet have the maturity I need.

01:11:47.000 But I have the spontaneity that he's modeled for me.

01:11:50.000 And I'm telling you, mate, I ain't joking when I say that any of us that are willing to sort of garnish and garner the good intent, assume the good intentions of the side we're affiliated with and condemn as malfeasance the failings of our opponents, we are not loving our enemy.

01:12:08.000 We are not loving our enemy.

01:12:10.000 Love your enemy. 0.82

01:12:12.000 So it should be like, oh my God, I hate that person.

01:12:14.000 I don't trust them.

01:12:16.000 I've got to love them.

01:12:17.000 I'm going to love them.

01:12:19.000 Can I jump in?

01:12:21.000 Yeah, Matt, we've done 45 minutes.

01:12:22.000 It's all you.

01:12:23.000 I don't need to talk again, but you know, it's fine.

01:12:26.000 I just give me a second.

01:12:27.000 I just want to, I want to, I have a couple of things I jotted down that I want to add here.

01:12:30.000 Like, one is, I don't hate you and I don't hate anybody in the MAGA movement.

01:12:35.000 I try to approach things as love as much as Donald Trump pisses me off and stuff like that.

01:12:39.000 I don't think he's a particularly good president.

01:12:40.000 I don't hate the guy.

01:12:41.000 I don't want him to die or anything like that.

01:12:42.000 I want to be clear about that.

01:12:44.000 You know, you brought up St. Paul earlier and it dredged up a lot of stuff for me about, you know, like, like I always gravitated towards, you know, Jesuits.

01:12:51.000 Teachings and Augustinian teachings, which is very exciting for me in this day and age because we got Pope Francis followed by Pope Leo, which is awesome for me in this moment where I get to hear that.

01:12:59.000 Now I get to hear it in my own tongue with Pope Leo from Chicago with a Chicago accent.

01:13:03.000 It's very fun.

01:13:04.000 But, you know, St. Paul would say that, you know, hypocrisy is the greatest betrayal to God.

01:13:11.000 And he would also say that in order to really change, you have to give, I believe it's unconditional surrender, right?

01:13:18.000 I think is the phrase.

01:13:19.000 And somebody can correct me in the comments if I'm wrong about that.

01:13:22.000 I'm getting it wrong or I'm confusing it for something else.

01:13:23.000 And so, For me, as somebody who I'm not a perfect person either, I've made a ton of mistakes.

01:13:28.000 I've suffered with anxiety and depression and suicidal ideation.

01:13:31.000 I almost killed myself in 2020 in the middle of the pandemic.

01:13:34.000 I ballooned up to 600 pounds.

01:13:35.000 I basically spent 20 years trying to kill myself with food, had to lose 300 pounds.

01:13:39.000 And I wish I talked about this earlier because you're right.

01:13:41.000 The world is a more interesting place when people talk about their demons.

01:13:44.000 Like that's why I wish I'd established that a little bit earlier.

01:13:46.000 But like I was able to get out of that for a lot of reasons the support of my wife, my son giving me courage and purpose, my career giving me courage and purpose, my community too, moving here to Chicago.

01:13:55.000 But also because I returned back to the Catholic Church.

01:13:57.000 And it was meaningful to me, particularly when Pope Leo ascended, because that was so meaningful to me to see somebody who speaks and talks like me and has been to a ball game at Guaranteed Rate Park for the White Sox.

01:14:07.000 I just think that that's really cool.

01:14:08.000 And I'm a Cubs fan, so I'm a little bit upset about that.

01:14:12.000 But I want to believe, is what I would say.

01:14:15.000 I want to believe in these things.

01:14:17.000 But I think I am cynical.

01:14:18.000 And maybe I'll go back and reflect on my cynicism.

01:14:20.000 And obviously, the processes and the things that you're engaged in are going to go play out on their own.

01:14:25.000 And ultimately, You know, we're all going to be facing the same music with, you know, at the pearly gates at some point.

01:14:30.000 And that's going to be the real ultimate arbitrator of it, no matter what happens in the legal process or the court of public appeals or anything like that.

01:14:36.000 But I'll leave you with one final thought because something I spent a lot of time thinking about it, because you brought up imperialism and executive power quite a bit.

01:14:44.000 And I think here in the United States, the face of imperialism and the face of executive power and the face of this like creeping fascism that I think is approaching in America today, that I think is frankly in control of large parts of our federal government right now and is only seeking to gain more control. 0.84

01:14:59.000 Is trying to project itself as a Christian nationalist version of the future of this country that is going to twist and abuse the faith. 0.78

01:15:06.000 And I do think that Donald Trump himself is a false prophet who erects tall, golden monuments to himself, who puts people in positions of power like Pete Hegseth, who used the Bible.

01:15:15.000 And by the way, can't even get the Bible quotes right, accidentally quotes Paul Fiction.

01:15:18.000 And you can, you sort of implied a couple of times that I'm coming in here with like prepared talking points.

01:15:21.000 I didn't prepare for any of this.

01:15:22.000 Okay.

01:15:22.000 I didn't know what the topics were other than I think at one point I was told we were talking about media literacy, stuff like that.

01:15:27.000 But like it, to me, I worry that there's a manipulation of a faith that I hold dear.

01:15:33.000 And that if you speak out about that in this country, you get attacked.

01:15:36.000 And that's why, like, Donald Trump went after Pope Leo so hard because Pope Leo shows a different version of Christianity to people in this country.

01:15:43.000 And I would note the fastest growing religion in the United States today is Catholicism.

01:15:46.000 I'm grateful for that because I think it is, and while it is also an imperfect institution, it's let a lot of people down.

01:15:50.000 It is one of the few, you know, last great opportunities for people to see how Christianity can be used and Catholicism can be used in practice because the Catholic Church cares a great deal about helping improve people's lives.

01:16:01.000 And that's where I'll end it, Russell.

01:16:02.000 And I appreciate you giving me the time on your show.

01:16:05.000 What is he's a very significant figure, Trump?

01:16:13.000 But in my country, in the UK, we do have a social democratic.

01:16:19.000 Leader and majority party, the Labour Party, the Labour Party that has decoupled itself from its trade union roots.

01:16:28.000 And it said of my country that British socialism owes as much to Methodism as to Marx, meaning that it never suffered from that aspect of communism and socialism that posited the state as the new supreme authority, which again, I feel is a counterfeit move.

01:16:50.000 It's the move of installing and instilling a false authority.

01:16:55.000 Now, I'm aware of Romans 13 and I'm aware of Peter's writing when it comes to government and submission.

01:17:01.000 But there is contingency in Romans 13 for our yielding to state and governmental authority, is when we consider ourselves to be in that margin where the government and leaders are at odds with our teachings as followers of Christ.

01:17:18.000 I think we live in that margin right now, or I think that's where we live.

01:17:22.000 I have a different take on the rise of Christian rhetoric in political spaces, and I see it as wholly positive.

01:17:29.000 Sectarianism aside, and that's, gosh, of course, an enormous topic and one that requires vigorous investigation before proceeding.

01:17:38.000 But I feel this is what excites me, Mike.

01:17:43.000 If people are, as they are, claiming that we live in a democracy or a sort of a democratic republic in the case of your country, and if people are claiming.

01:17:53.000 To be followers of Christ, that they accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God and that He died for my sins and that He rose again.

01:18:03.000 If people are saying that's what they are, then we can have some pretty progressive conversations, and I mean that, I don't mean that in a colloquial way, I mean in the literal way.

01:18:12.000 We can have some pretty progressive conversations because if one leader is saying they follow Christ or another political figure is saying they follow Christ and you're saying you do and I do, we have, you know, of course, there have been disputes throughout history between various people.

01:18:27.000 Christian sex.

01:18:28.000 But we do have a common language, and we do have, for example, guidance on how we treat widows and foreigners and aliens.

01:18:36.000 And we do have guidance on what our attitude is to ourselves.

01:18:41.000 And we do have guidance on what the absolute value it is.

01:18:44.000 No greater thing can a man do than lay down his life for his friends, that we can abnegate and abdicate ourselves.

01:18:51.000 Now, that's harder.

01:18:51.000 If you've had a personality or have a personality that's been in ways rewarding according to the fruits of this culture.

01:18:58.000 The fallen simulacrum, the false fruits, the golden calf offerings of this fallen culture.

01:19:05.000 If you've succeeded in that world, or been rewarded at least, succeeded isn't the right word, but if you've been falsely gloried, there's a thing that you've got to let go of.

01:19:15.000 And I don't know too many people that have undergone that experience, but I'm sure that, you know, there are.

01:19:19.000 I'm not claiming it's a unique experience by any means, but I'm deeply encouraged.

01:19:24.000 Christian nationalism, yeah, that's an interesting idea because there is only one nation under him, there is only one king to. 0.72

01:19:32.000 Portion off America or any other man made idol, any other false flag, any other construct, we're once again in the territory of the fallen one. 0.97

01:19:44.000 So I'm encouraged by it.

01:19:45.000 I'm not saying that people are sincere or not capable of being insincere.

01:19:48.000 Plainly, both those things are true.

01:19:50.000 Oh, you got it.

01:19:51.000 I'll be right out.

01:19:51.000 You got it.

01:19:52.000 Thank you.

01:19:53.000 Actually, several times Mike's tried to wrap up, but I'll just say that.

01:19:56.000 Can I just ask you a question, Russell?

01:19:59.000 Yes, of course.

01:20:00.000 I mean, but do you see the tension in the argument that you just made, at least as far as I see it, which is like, you know, Christian nationalism is an interesting idea, but you want decentralization of power.

01:20:10.000 Like, Christian nationalism exists to create a centralized authority under one vision of Christianity when there are massively different versions of it.

01:20:17.000 And I'll be honest with you, A Catholic, a lifelong Catholic like me, is not going to be welcome in the tent of Christian nationalism unless I accept the views of Christ the way that a certain type of person in this country sees it.

01:20:28.000 Well, I mean, I wouldn't be welcome in the Catholic Church unless I was willing to accept the version of Christ that they embrace.

01:20:34.000 The Catholic Church doesn't run my government.

01:20:36.000 Do you understand that difference?

01:20:37.000 It doesn't run my government.

01:20:40.000 When I say Christian nationalism, I say you cannot have Christian nationalism as well as the United States of America or as well as the United Kingdom because the nation is. 0.96

01:20:50.000 Is the nation of the Christian family now?

01:20:53.000 NT Wright, when he talks about this, says that it wouldn't be an explicit demand.

01:21:01.000 I mean, he doesn't, our Lord, with the woman at the well.

01:21:06.000 Listen, follow me.

01:21:08.000 He's pretty clear about this is what is on offer here the living water, the living water is available to you, Samaritan woman.

01:21:16.000 He's pretty clear with everyone he encounters that God is available to them and accessible to them.

01:21:22.000 I wonder if even Judas.

01:21:24.000 Could have been redeemed if he hadn't returned to the Pharisaic class, that false authority that gave him that money and tried to return it according to their moral law, but had returned to our King and our Savior.

01:21:36.000 He is real and he understands all of this and he's more than capable of dealing with the malappropriations of Kamala Harris and the belligerence of Donald Trump and the patriotism of the MAGA movement and the well intentioned compassion of the woke left.

01:21:52.000 He is here, he is real, this is happening.

01:21:55.000 As you said, the Catholic Church is growing and God be praised.

01:21:59.000 The more people that follow him, the more people that love him, the more people that are willing to diminish themselves and be completely transparent and authentic, the better it is.

01:22:07.000 The more inquiry, the better.

01:22:09.000 All things unto him, all things from him.

01:22:13.000 Your gifts to him, my gifts to him.

01:22:16.000 You know, like fortunately, and particularly if we're able to investigate and explore the versions of reality that I believe is his will and our duty for the whole of creation is groaning for these children to be born.

01:22:28.000 We are those children.

01:22:29.000 We're not here just to sort of fold our arms and go, well, Looks like the government's got it under control. 0.99

01:22:33.000 Hopefully, we can have a brown one or a hermaphrodite or a dolphin in one of these countries leading us one day or another, and that might tick a box. 1.00

01:22:41.000 No, Lord, no, Lord. 1.00

01:22:43.000 We can go so much further.

01:22:46.000 We can participate in the merging of these kingdoms.

01:22:48.000 What I mean to say is literally cutaneous alteration and fluctuation is not deep enough.

01:22:55.000 He whose flesh was torn would not settle for us saying, Would you like this one that's like a cartoon type?

01:23:02.000 Or would you like this one that appeals to you for some cultural and understandable historical reason or some gender oriented reason?

01:23:10.000 We must go deeper.

01:23:11.000 We must at least recognize that there is deeper.

01:23:14.000 And we mustn't be content to dwell and lurk in the shallows, particularly because I believe this so strongly, my friend.

01:23:21.000 I'll remove even these glasses that are doing a great service for me in protecting me from blue light.

01:23:29.000 Is this?

01:23:31.000 He is real and he is coming through.

01:23:33.000 He is here and he is present now.

01:23:35.000 We are participating with him and I'll tell you what, becoming a Christian for me, why it was amazing is because I thought I knew a lot.

01:23:43.000 I thought I knew a lot about religion.

01:23:44.000 I thought I knew a lot about myself.

01:23:45.000 I thought I knew a lot about consciousness, I thought I knew a lot about politics.

01:23:49.000 And I didn't understand what was in here.

01:23:51.000 I didn't understand that in here is the mystery that's intimate and present, that is here, present within me now.

01:23:57.000 Nor did I understand that again and again, he says, the world is evil.

01:24:02.000 The fallen one is in charge of this world.

01:24:05.000 The world is being controlled by evil.

01:24:07.000 Oh, except what?

01:24:07.000 Kamala Harris won?

01:24:08.000 Oh, cool, no problem.

01:24:09.000 Oh, what?

01:24:10.000 Donald Trump won?

01:24:10.000 Oh, no problem.

01:24:11.000 Like, we can't continue to quarrel and quibble.

01:24:15.000 About, like, it's baseball cards, Mike.

01:24:17.000 It's baseball cards.

01:24:19.000 And politics isn't a sport because, as you said, people are dying in there.

01:24:23.000 They're continuing to die.

01:24:25.000 And if you and I sort of contend for, like, woohoo, my team won, it's not the World Cup.

01:24:30.000 It's the kingdom.

01:24:31.000 It's the kingdom.

01:24:33.000 People are dying because they treat politics like it's a game, because they treat it like it's baseball cards, because a guy like Donald Trump can manipulate the system like that.

01:24:40.000 And again, Kamala Harris, not perfect, all right?

01:24:43.000 And look, I'm a Democratic operative.

01:24:44.000 You can believe me or not.

01:24:45.000 But I just don't like the idea of treating politics as a baseball card.

01:24:49.000 And unfortunately, I have to run because I'm out of time.

01:24:51.000 I got to go do kiddo pickup.

01:24:52.000 But I appreciate the space.

01:24:54.000 I appreciate the conversation.

01:24:55.000 You know, I hope you continue to go down the road.

01:24:57.000 We'll talk again.

01:25:00.000 Praise the Lord.

01:25:00.000 Sounds good.

01:25:00.000 God bless you.

01:25:01.000 Take care.

01:25:02.000 Thank you.

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01:25:29.000 This morning.

01:25:30.000 And I think the system can't stand to even have it exist as an avatar.

01:25:35.000 Like they want to destroy it and desecrate it and make it ugly.

01:25:39.000 Again, Michael Jackson didn't do himself no favours with the old sleepovers with kids and whatnot.

01:25:43.000 But I would say if anyone was a case for an innocent, it's him, an innocent genius.

01:25:51.000 That's my, I just want to say that about Michael Jackson.

01:25:53.000 Any views?

01:25:54.000 Well, yeah, I like him.

01:25:56.000 Yeah, I like him. 1.00

01:25:59.000 Come on, girl. 0.99

01:26:02.000 That's the best ignorant. 1.00

01:26:05.000 This has gone off fast, but you're right. 0.99

01:26:07.000 Drank your time.

01:26:07.000 You'd say about tangents.

01:26:08.000 That's a tangent.

01:26:09.000 That was a tangent.

01:26:10.000 I mean, there was literally.

01:26:10.000 In a minute, I'm going to start talking about.

01:26:12.000 Go on.

01:26:12.000 What?

01:26:13.000 Project Hail Mary is what I'm going to start talking about.

01:26:16.000 All right.

01:26:17.000 Another week.

01:26:17.000 No, I'd like to talk about space another time.

01:26:21.000 All of it.

01:26:21.000 I want to talk about.

01:26:22.000 We're grappling with the eternal limitations.

01:26:24.000 Yeah, I know.

01:26:25.000 Sci fi is how that works.

01:26:25.000 It did occur to me the other day when.

01:26:27.000 Sorry, the other day.

01:26:28.000 It felt like the other day.

01:26:30.000 Earlier in this conversation. 0.76

01:26:32.000 How dare you!

01:26:33.000 How dare you?

01:26:34.000 I've been talking too much.

01:26:35.000 No, it's just that it feels sort of time, you know, time.

01:26:38.000 Time, baby.

01:26:39.000 Let's talk about instellar.

01:26:40.000 No, when you were talking about photons and neutrons and da da da, and then I thought, oh gosh, yeah, I'm interested in that.

01:26:45.000 And then I'm interested in you saying, you know, how can we say, is it light?

01:26:48.000 Is that, you know, you were talking about light.

01:26:50.000 And I was thinking, maybe, maybe I really like space films because there's just, it's so difficult to comprehend.

01:26:57.000 It's so hard to wrap your head around.

01:26:58.000 And often with space type films, we really analyze if there's an, If there's God present in it, right?

01:27:06.000 Don't we?

01:27:06.000 Whether the director, anyway.

01:27:08.000 A whole.

01:27:08.000 Martian.

01:27:09.000 Martian.

01:27:10.000 Yes.

01:27:10.000 He burns a cross.

01:27:11.000 He burns a cross, but he kind of calls himself.

01:27:14.000 He acts like he is the god of that planet.

01:27:17.000 We watched Project Hail Mary the other day.

01:27:19.000 It's called Hail Mary.

01:27:20.000 The main character is called Grace.

01:27:22.000 And then at one point he does say, Do you believe in God?

01:27:24.000 And she went, It's better than the alternative.

01:27:27.000 And he actually functions as a Christ for the extraterrestrial entity that he rescues.

01:27:32.000 He does.

01:27:33.000 Anyway, many things.

01:27:35.000 And Christopher Nolan.

01:27:35.000 I believe Interstellar is.

01:27:38.000 There's threats.

01:27:38.000 Nolan's on a mad trip, obviously.

01:27:40.000 There's stuff to talk about.

01:27:50.000 Well, thanks for joining us today.

01:27:51.000 We will be back on Monday, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:27:55.000 Let me know if you enjoyed seeing me have a guest where there was a little bit of tension and conflict, and we'll do more stuff like that if you enjoy it.

01:28:02.000 And more importantly than any of that, if you can, please stay free.

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