Stay Free - Russel Brand - May 14, 2025


Trump Thanks Saudi Prince for the Camels – Ends Speech with YMCA! – SF583


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 10 minutes

Words per Minute

150.69038

Word Count

10,586

Sentence Count

831

Misogynist Sentences

11

Hate Speech Sentences

26


Summary

Trump's trip to the Middle East, the rise of Islamic extremism in the region, and the new music craze in Thailand. Plus, the N-word, Hitler, and more. Stay free, y'all!


Transcript

00:05:37.000 Hello, you Awakening Wonders.
00:05:38.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:05:40.000 Sorry, I'm a bit late.
00:05:41.000 Do you remember when it used to be a lot later all of the time?
00:05:44.000 People that have been with us for a long time, like SensitiveHearts25 and Kazo in the local chat, they're very much our ISIS, Al-Qaeda.
00:05:52.000 In the Rumble Chat, yeah, crazy, but are you willing to do beheadings?
00:05:57.000 You know, we've got a great and loyal and glorious audience.
00:06:01.000 Rugdo in the Rumble Chat.
00:06:02.000 Russell, how's it going, you crazy wanker?
00:06:04.000 It's going beautifully well, and as you surely know, because I mention it every other show, I do not masturbate.
00:06:11.000 I believe it to be, well, I don't believe it to be anything.
00:06:13.000 It's a sin, pure and simple, and it's no good for me.
00:06:16.000 Does this guy have eyes?
00:06:17.000 Check him out.
00:06:18.000 Get ready for that.
00:06:20.000 Today, we've got a fantastic show.
00:06:21.000 We're going to talk a lot about the shifting sands and power dynamics of the Middle East subsequent to Trump's visit.
00:06:30.000 What does it mean when easy alliances are formed in contentious territories?
00:06:35.000 I remember Biden being very happy to do arms deals and trade with the Saudis, but nothing quite like this.
00:06:42.000 This spectacular event somewhat reminiscent of the recent...
00:06:46.000 Reclamation, or not reclamation, colonisation of sport by the wealthy nations in that region.
00:06:52.000 Like, I'm English, so important football teams are owned in Europe by Abu Dhabi and Qatar, Paris Saint-Germain and Man City, namely.
00:07:01.000 And I can see a very different type of politics and dynamic emerging from these countries.
00:07:06.000 Popular leftist critiques of 2030.
00:07:11.000 40 years ago, I'm talking about Edward Said, said that we imposed a perspective on the East.
00:07:18.000 He called the book Orientalism, where we, the West, subject other countries to our purview.
00:07:25.000 And in extremists, that plays out in war.
00:07:27.000 Like, we've got to bring democracy to Iraq!
00:07:31.000 Like, that is like, hold on a minute, who's asking for democracy in Iraq?
00:07:35.000 Who's giving you that job?
00:07:36.000 Who's given you that job?
00:07:37.000 And I think now we're going to see new relationships almost, in a way, one of the things that someone that works here actually said, Massey, said, like, who cuts the content, is almost like, it's almost like a kind of...
00:07:51.000 Goudiness and taste, reverent.
00:07:53.000 Like, how often does Trump go to a place where there's more grandeur, more columns, pillars and wealth?
00:07:59.000 Likely great longevity machines, I imagine, that Arabian royalty have.
00:08:04.000 I bet they've got good red light systems.
00:08:06.000 I bet they've got good IVs.
00:08:08.000 Do you think Saudi Arabia is trustworthy?
00:08:10.000 Do they love America?
00:08:11.000 I don't know about whether they love America, but when you see YMCA...
00:08:16.000 Playing before the Saudi crown prince.
00:08:18.000 You have to acknowledge that we're in a very unusual time now.
00:08:23.000 Russell, please have some respect.
00:08:25.000 What for?
00:08:26.000 I just see things out of the corner of my eye.
00:08:28.000 What do you mean by that?
00:08:29.000 I do have some respect.
00:08:30.000 I respect God.
00:08:31.000 I respect your individual sovereignty.
00:08:33.000 I respect your right for free speech.
00:08:34.000 But I also got to respect the comedy.
00:08:37.000 Let's have a silly old time here together.
00:08:39.000 Well, I mean, if you're calling upon respect, how do you cope with the idea that in Thailand...
00:08:45.000 Ye's new song, N-word Heil Hitler, is evidently a hit.
00:08:51.000 And why would, I suppose, people in Thailand even have an appreciation of our assumed understanding of the last century?
00:08:59.000 Thailand has its own purview and its own perspective.
00:09:04.000 Thailand was not subject to that war and those...
00:09:08.000 Holocaust.
00:09:09.000 In that region, they had their own.
00:09:11.000 Anyone familiar with the killing fields will know that.
00:09:14.000 Let's have a look at people getting down to Ye Song.
00:09:18.000 And let's talk about the broader morality.
00:09:19.000 We had a post go pretty viral on X, and there's a lot of conversation about it.
00:09:23.000 I wouldn't say N-word, but I would say Heil Hitler.
00:09:25.000 But when I say Heil Hitler, I'm not saying it to Hitler or to the principles of national socialism, and in particular, genocide.
00:09:34.000 Let's have a look.
00:09:46.000 That lady is C. Kyling, but I suppose what she's...
00:09:50.000 I wouldn't see that as necessarily allegiance to the National Socialist Party of 1930s Germany.
00:09:58.000 What this actually is, is late post-modernity, where all cultural artefacts are being spilled into one cultural space and a new sense is being made of it.
00:10:10.000 Wasn't hip-hop so exciting?
00:10:11.000 This is a question for all of you, at its origin, because existing...
00:10:15.000 Music was repurposed in order to create new pieces of art.
00:10:21.000 Riffs and beats and licks were recreated and repurposed to create new music.
00:10:27.000 And isn't it sort of obvious that in the end that would start including this kind of stuff?
00:10:32.000 Have you ever listened to the music of Charles Manson?
00:10:34.000 Have you ever listened to, like, his sort of very gentle, folky, country, acoustic guitar sets?
00:10:40.000 I thought, man, this guy is...
00:10:42.000 Really being at the centre of a lot of darkness.
00:10:45.000 Also, potential CIA asset.
00:10:47.000 The world is confusing.
00:10:49.000 There's more than one way of looking at reality.
00:10:52.000 Have a quick glance at this particular construction.
00:10:54.000 If you're watching us on X, we'll be with you for about 40 minutes.
00:10:57.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be there for another 20. Make your way to Rumble and get Rumble Premium if you can.
00:11:03.000 As part of our new line-up with Tim Paul and Tim Kast, thanks for the stream.
00:11:06.000 And Steve Crowder, thanks Mug Club for the stream.
00:11:09.000 We're on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, so you can watch Rumble for free.
00:11:13.000 And all day long, there's live stream brilliant content.
00:11:16.000 You should participate in it.
00:11:17.000 It's fantastic.
00:11:17.000 Here's a sort of very good AI of Keir Starmer breaking his silence on that cocaine.
00:11:22.000 I would like to address the rumours of a certain meeting where a bag of cocaine was found before Emmanuel Macron, the Prime Minister of France, hid it in his pocket.
00:11:34.000 Yes, we all did cocaine that day.
00:11:37.000 And yes, we had a naked dance-off afterwards.
00:11:40.000 This is how we do it in Europe.
00:11:41.000 We like to sniff a little bit of cocaine and then we just...
00:11:45.000 We just get naked and dance and rub up against each other and shit like that.
00:11:49.000 That's the light side of AI, how long before that technology is used to incriminate people.
00:11:56.000 God, I suppose the truth is these days you don't know whether evidence is legitimate.
00:12:02.000 And real.
00:12:03.000 But there must be ways at this point of still testing the veracity.
00:12:05.000 Like, people that know a lot about AI would just look at that straight away and go, oh, these lips aren't moving right.
00:12:10.000 But as the march of technology continues, as new relationships emerge across the world, later on we'll talk about Saudi Arabia's new relationship with America.
00:12:19.000 It's a pretty good relationship vis-a-vis oil and weaponry.
00:12:22.000 But we'll talk about how the relationship is shifting, as well as talking about Keir Starmer's new position on migration.
00:12:28.000 And the various positions he's previously taken.
00:12:31.000 Let's have a look now, though, at a potential new army of AI robots who, at the moment, are content to jive and dance.
00:12:39.000 It's, I guess, amusing, if a little uncanny.
00:12:43.000 But how long before, you know, Skynet?
00:12:46.000 I mean, is that really what we've got to worry about?
00:12:48.000 Is there going to be a point where we're going to stop?
00:12:50.000 Stop worrying about one another and recognise the AI threat or the demonic threat.
00:12:54.000 Colorado watch.
00:12:54.000 I bet Russell has snorted pounds of nose candy.
00:12:57.000 I did take quite a lot of cocaine.
00:12:58.000 I never ever really enjoyed it at all.
00:13:01.000 I don't know why I kept doing it.
00:13:02.000 addictive as well.
00:13:32.000 Outro Music.
00:13:44.000 The end is nigh.
00:13:45.000 Dancing.
00:13:46.000 Likely precedes war.
00:13:48.000 There's an old adage, never teach a man to fight until he knows how to dance.
00:13:54.000 And here they are, the robots, dancing.
00:13:57.000 How long before they are fighting?
00:13:59.000 We saw all the cute stories of the police dogs or robo-dogs in New York City.
00:14:05.000 I always saw that as part of a process of normalising the technology.
00:14:10.000 And now there's this kind of attempt to make it seem whimsical.
00:14:15.000 Humorous, but whether they're coming out of Boston Dynamics or Elon Musk...
00:14:22.000 Based on the trajectory of technology thus far, I'm not faithful that increasing technology will lead to increasing ease.
00:14:30.000 The tendency appears to be increasing technology leads to some benefits for a generalized population across Western nations and elites elsewhere, but generally advances the interests of institutions of power and their ability to dominate and control.
00:14:49.000 Align that, if you will, with the more alarming fact that a crisis for you and me is an opportunity for, inverted commas, them, by them I mean these sets of institutions, commercial and state, that are able to benefit from, ultimately, from a 9-11 or from a COVID pandemic or from emergent wars, wherever they flare up in the world.
00:15:10.000 And then you start to recognise that the tendency...
00:15:13.000 Is towards tyranny.
00:15:15.000 That's the way that it's heading.
00:15:17.000 And the armoury of the powerful is increasing while we ourselves are becoming more fractured and divided.
00:15:24.000 Last night I've got to tell you, I was lying in bed and thinking about how difficult, how irritated I'd felt that I'd had to go and get like a washcloth for my little kid.
00:15:34.000 She wanted one.
00:15:35.000 Like with a cold washcloth.
00:15:37.000 And I was like, oh, God, I'm going to have to go to the laundry cupboard and get a flannel, we call it in the UK, then make it wet.
00:15:45.000 It was bedtime, you know, she had a headache.
00:15:46.000 Then I'm going to put that on her head.
00:15:48.000 I thought, man, like, you know, obviously I did it.
00:15:51.000 Obviously I did it.
00:15:52.000 I just noted that there was some resistance.
00:15:54.000 Like, wow, man, this is just like looking after your own child and still kind of in self.
00:16:00.000 How can you criticise Bill Gates?
00:16:03.000 For all we know, Bill Gates really does want to cure malaria.
00:16:06.000 I just had this moment of thinking, well, what if Bill Gates really does want to help us with polio and malaria and all of those diseases that he lists, you know?
00:16:16.000 He must sort of like, you know, if he ever catches on his social media feed, he's going, Bill Gates, that evil, mad, despotic, oligarchal tyrant, how it works is they have relationships with governments, they're forewarned of a crisis, whether it's medical or military, and they're able to change or trade stocks in accordance in the same way that Pelosi escalates like one of those indoor fireworks snakes.
00:16:38.000 She comes out of the ashes and coils, spirals, heaven would.
00:16:42.000 After profit like a green cobra?
00:16:45.000 After the green cobra?
00:16:47.000 How must Bill Gates feel when he sees that, if he is actually just trying his best?
00:16:53.000 And he probably is trying his best, isn't he?
00:16:55.000 He probably is trying their best.
00:16:57.000 Shall we, in good faith, assume that George Soros, Bill Gates, Nancy Pelosi, the other side of the argument, Trump, Elon Musk, Hegseth, that everyone's trying their best and failing?
00:17:11.000 And flawed and broken to some degree.
00:17:14.000 Do you believe that?
00:17:15.000 Do you believe in good and evil?
00:17:16.000 I believe in good and evil.
00:17:17.000 And do you imagine that good and evil occupies, assaults and isn't says, to some degree, all of us, that the line between good and evil runs not between nations, religions or creeds, but through every human heart.
00:17:26.000 And that evil, the truly Luciferian force, would be able to sort of drift in its planned and organised way through various vessels and vassals, like the agents in the Matrix, one minute occupying me, one minute occupying you.
00:17:39.000 What do you think about that, guys?
00:17:40.000 Do you believe, like I do, that we're trying to return to the state of innocence?
00:17:46.000 Not everyone is going along with this.
00:17:48.000 Like NMNGC MGC says, no Russell, they want to kill us.
00:17:52.000 Probably with their highly advanced robots.
00:17:55.000 But we're witnessing a kind of collapsing of categories in so many ways.
00:17:59.000 Experts in neurology have...
00:18:01.000 Podcasts on politics.
00:18:03.000 Experts in psychology have podcasts in wellness.
00:18:08.000 Former stand-up comedians espouse on politics and Christianity.
00:18:12.000 The categories are collapsing.
00:18:14.000 And Donald Trump, President of the United States, is now doing stand-up, which I'm formed is pretty good.
00:18:20.000 Don't call me Mr. President.
00:18:21.000 I have friends that for 35 years, hey Don, how you doing?
00:18:24.000 Hey Donnie, I love you Donnie.
00:18:26.000 Now they call Mr. President Sir.
00:18:31.000 How are you?
00:18:32.000 I have a friend, very rich guy, Richard Lefrak in New York.
00:18:35.000 Builder, good builder.
00:18:35.000 He calls me all my life.
00:18:36.000 Hey, Don, how you doing?
00:18:37.000 I've known this guy so long.
00:18:39.000 From kindergarten.
00:18:40.000 I get a call the other day.
00:18:42.000 Mr. President, how are you, sir?
00:18:45.000 How are you?
00:18:46.000 I say, Richard, lighten up.
00:18:48.000 Lighten up.
00:18:49.000 Call me Donald.
00:18:51.000 That's good.
00:18:52.000 Because I was wondering, as a comic, where's this going?
00:18:56.000 Is Trump's message here fundamentally that he is so appointed and anointed by earthly power that even the friendships of his youth are rendered, if not redundant, radically altered by his new position?
00:19:10.000 Consider Joseph's dreams.
00:19:12.000 I see myself.
00:19:13.000 You lot, my brothers, you're all in a terrible state.
00:19:16.000 Me, I'm proud and pompous.
00:19:18.000 But before that, Joseph has to experience the pit.
00:19:21.000 Trump's experienced some pits, right, in his time.
00:19:23.000 It's probably a pit to have to go to court after court, accused after thing after thing.
00:19:27.000 He's been bankrupt all those times.
00:19:29.000 People use that against him.
00:19:30.000 But I like a fighter, don't you?
00:19:31.000 I like someone that's been down and come back because that's life, man.
00:19:34.000 That's life for all of us.
00:19:36.000 What I feel like, though, is as a comic, that's a good out.
00:19:41.000 Lighten up!
00:19:42.000 Lighten up!
00:19:43.000 It's sort of nice.
00:19:44.000 It's a good...
00:19:45.000 Pressure release.
00:19:46.000 A lot of comedy.
00:19:47.000 What's good comedians that you admire yourself for is Robin Williams, Chappelle, Gillis, whoever.
00:19:51.000 There's a slow build of tension and then the release of the tension.
00:19:56.000 And with the best comedians, it's a total surprise.
00:19:59.000 And I was pretty surprised by that lighting up.
00:20:03.000 I don't reckon he's written that, has he?
00:20:05.000 He's intuitive in that.
00:20:07.000 I'm feeling his way through it.
00:20:08.000 Can we go back, like, five seconds, Isaac?
00:20:11.000 Would it be easier for me to ask you to pull out your big toe now, to get your big toe now, and, like, get it with pliers?
00:20:18.000 Not very back to the beginning, to go back ten seconds.
00:20:23.000 I've stopped it.
00:20:28.000 Now if I press play I'll be back 10 seconds.
00:20:30.000 So long from kindergarten.
00:20:33.000 I got a call the other day.
00:20:35.000 Mr. President.
00:20:36.000 How are you, sir?
00:20:38.000 How are you?
00:20:39.000 I said, Richard, lighten up.
00:20:40.000 Lighten up.
00:20:42.000 Call me Donald.
00:20:44.000 Richard, call me Donald.
00:20:46.000 You've known me for...
00:20:46.000 I don't want to say because I don't want my wife to hear the number.
00:20:50.000 Richard came up.
00:20:51.000 That's good, man.
00:20:53.000 That's good.
00:20:54.000 Even that, that's good comic instincts.
00:20:56.000 I've always thought that Trump was accidentally funny.
00:20:59.000 I know really brilliant comics.
00:21:02.000 Theo Vaughn's one.
00:21:03.000 I don't know Theo Vaughn.
00:21:04.000 I'm saying that he has this quality of...
00:21:06.000 A lot of the time, he's not even trying to be funny.
00:21:09.000 It's an accident.
00:21:10.000 It's an accident.
00:21:11.000 Paul Foote, if you know English comedy, is a really good example of that.
00:21:15.000 I thought, oh, what Trump is, is he's just being himself and his self is funny.
00:21:19.000 But that's deliberate, like saying, I don't want my wife to hear that.
00:21:22.000 That's a trope, isn't it?
00:21:23.000 Like he's an older man with a younger wife.
00:21:25.000 It's pretty good.
00:21:26.000 He said, I've known your husband for 65 years.
00:21:30.000 I said, don't say that.
00:21:32.000 I said, say 25 years.
00:21:34.000 That's amazing.
00:21:35.000 That's amazing.
00:21:36.000 25, 30!
00:21:37.000 Don't say 65 years!
00:21:39.000 Call me Don.
00:21:41.000 Okay.
00:21:42.000 Okay, Don.
00:21:43.000 Okay.
00:21:44.000 He gets his breath.
00:21:45.000 Two minutes later, Mr. President.
00:21:50.000 You know, like, when Larry David did that actually very funny...
00:21:56.000 My dinner with Adolf piece as a response and riposte to Bill Maher meeting with Trump where he, in a sense, attacked the idea that Bill Maher found Trump personable and made the point through this very funny essay that probably Hitler was personable.
00:22:14.000 And you feel like, oh yeah, I wonder what Hitler was like.
00:22:16.000 Maybe he was personable.
00:22:17.000 And there's footage of Hitler and all that kind of stuff.
00:22:19.000 And it's weird, isn't it, because we're talking about Hitler again because we're asking.
00:22:22.000 When Kanye produced a song that says N-word, Heil Hitler, what is he...
00:22:27.000 He's almost just sort of like...
00:22:29.000 That's the equivalent of a raspberry in a kindergarten.
00:22:31.000 It's just he's saying an unsayable thing and we now have to sort of contend with it.
00:22:36.000 He's an artist, not a politician, obviously.
00:22:38.000 So now with Trump, when you see Trump being that affable and personable...
00:22:44.000 I almost refuse to believe that he can be the person that the left long claimed that he is.
00:22:50.000 Like malevolent, malign.
00:22:51.000 I read pretty good stuff right on Substack from people still on the left.
00:22:55.000 I still subscribe to the people that I've subscribed to for a long time and I try not to get siloed off.
00:23:01.000 Like I try not to become...
00:23:04.000 I can never be Charlie Kirk or Dan Bongino or Ben Shapiro.
00:23:09.000 These people are devoted, devout, American, Republican, in the case of two, Christian, in the case of the other, obviously, Jewish, devout and serious people when it comes to that subject.
00:23:20.000 I'm devout and serious as well.
00:23:22.000 But I'm not devout to any political party.
00:23:25.000 You know that about me.
00:23:25.000 I'm not like, the Republican Party, Trump!
00:23:27.000 That's not how I see reality.
00:23:29.000 I deserve that kind of devotion.
00:23:31.000 Even for myself and God.
00:23:33.000 Those are the two things I'm that obsessed with.
00:23:35.000 Me, God, that's it.
00:23:37.000 And all through my life, you know, heroin, crack, sex, you know, I've gone through the sort of roster of things you can get addicted to.
00:23:43.000 I don't find other people in an iconic way as fascinating as that.
00:23:49.000 I've had heroes, gosh, Frank McAvenny, West Ham Ford when I was a kid, Paolo Di Canio, West Ham Ford when I was a bit older, Marlon Brando when I got into acting.
00:23:57.000 But, like, I don't...
00:23:59.000 Get into that reverence.
00:24:00.000 I've got mentors and elders that I care about, but I don't feel like some person's going to solve it for me.
00:24:05.000 And when I do, I can see that kind of an icky weakness.
00:24:07.000 When I go like, oh God, you're expecting that person to save you.
00:24:12.000 That's weak, man.
00:24:14.000 That's weak.
00:24:15.000 You know?
00:24:15.000 Russell, you forgot to mention your kids and your wife.
00:24:18.000 They kind of exist in another reality for me.
00:24:21.000 Like, when I'm in this reality, like, I even mentioned that story about putting the flannel on my kid's head and stuff.
00:24:26.000 I'm like, oh, God, do I want to bring them into the...
00:24:28.000 You know what I mean?
00:24:28.000 I'm watching these chats, guys.
00:24:30.000 I'm on the internet.
00:24:31.000 Do I really want to bring my little babies into the world where people are going, N-word, F-word, queer, fag?
00:24:37.000 I'm like, whoa, man.
00:24:38.000 You know, I respect your free speech.
00:24:40.000 I know it's not everybody.
00:24:41.000 But, yeah, my love of my...
00:24:43.000 Like any sane, sensible person, my love of my wife and my children is...
00:24:47.000 Real and serious and exhausting and taxing and difficult and painful and beautiful and glorious and fraught with concern and joy.
00:24:58.000 Chuck it into this little machine of people that are distracted from reality.
00:25:04.000 I love you.
00:25:05.000 I know so many of you are really doing your best to awaken and be in the glory and the light as a flawed person, just the same as me.
00:25:12.000 But there are some people, you see it on the internet, all everyone's doing.
00:25:16.000 Is catharsizing and chomping through the soon-to-be turds of their psychoses.
00:25:23.000 I hate this person.
00:25:24.000 I hate that person.
00:25:25.000 You don't know nothing, man.
00:25:27.000 There's no time for hate.
00:25:28.000 There's no room for hate.
00:25:30.000 There's no time for it.
00:25:31.000 Martin Luther King, you can't hate your way out of this.
00:25:34.000 You can't fight the darkness with darkness.
00:25:36.000 Only love and light can do that.
00:25:38.000 That's where we've got to get to, man.
00:25:40.000 We've got to get to that.
00:25:42.000 I like the trolls.
00:25:43.000 Yeah, I know what you mean.
00:25:44.000 I know what you mean.
00:25:45.000 I know what you mean.
00:25:46.000 I kind of like it.
00:25:47.000 Sometimes I find it amusing.
00:25:49.000 Anyway, so look, what I will say about Trump is when you see him like that, I think that's someone who's so...
00:25:54.000 He cannot be what the people say.
00:25:58.000 Do you know there's this analysis of Trump?
00:26:01.000 He's an evil psychopath and the whole MAGA movement, they're tied up with dark, subliminal things.
00:26:09.000 It's like dark, excuse me, deep state, globalist, imperial, like, and I just, when I see that, I think, nah.
00:26:15.000 25, 30!
00:26:16.000 Don't say 65 years!
00:26:19.000 Call me Don!
00:26:21.000 Okay, okay, Don.
00:26:22.000 Okay.
00:26:23.000 He gets his breath, uh-huh.
00:26:25.000 Two minutes later, Mr. President.
00:26:28.000 Very funny.
00:26:29.000 It's good comedy.
00:26:30.000 It's good comedy.
00:26:31.000 And again, by the way, we're entering into a time where you've probably got to be able to analyse things from a variety of perspectives, whether it's the music of Kanye West or the political policies or political rhetoric or oratory of Donald Trump.
00:26:43.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
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00:31:03.000 Okay, guys, so listen, let's have a look at Trump's...
00:31:04.000 Thank you so much, beloved Jake.
00:31:06.000 Let's have a look at Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia and what it might imply for relationships between the United States of America and the region of the Middle East.
00:31:15.000 I suppose there's so many things to consider before we leap face first into this.
00:31:19.000 One, we see the Arabian world...
00:31:24.000 As a place of power, of religious and energetic, don't we?
00:31:28.000 That's where the oil is and that's where the Abrahamic faiths began and where those journeys...
00:31:34.000 Primarily played out, whether you're a Muslim, a Jew or a Christian, the centre of the world is in that region.
00:31:41.000 Isn't it curious that that's where the energy comes from?
00:31:43.000 That's the place where you have to go deep, deep under the ground to get the fuel.
00:31:48.000 You have to enter into the darkness to create the light, and therefore explored beautifully by Melville in Moby Dick.
00:31:56.000 In order to light your homes, you need to delve into the deep and kill the beast.
00:32:02.000 These kind of archetypal notions are found continually throughout the stories of our lives.
00:32:07.000 And if you can't see them, it doesn't mean they're not there.
00:32:10.000 In fact, they're probably the most reliable maps and guides you can have.
00:32:14.000 Elsewise, you fall continually to a culture that wants What do we learn when Trump attends an event in Saudi Arabia when he tours the Middle East but doesn't visit Israel?
00:32:30.000 That's a significant moment.
00:32:32.000 Also, we've seen Trump speaking about Gaza in a way that's somewhat distinct and novel.
00:32:39.000 Let's explore these ideas together as we talk about Trump's Middle Eastern visit.
00:32:46.000 But I just want to thank you for everything and maybe in particular our friendship.
00:32:51.000 It's been a very loyal, great, beautiful friendship.
00:32:54.000 And the job you've done is second to none.
00:32:56.000 You look at this, it's so beautiful.
00:32:58.000 As a construction person, I'm saying perfect marble.
00:33:02.000 This is what they call perfecto.
00:33:06.000 And just a great job you've done.
00:33:08.000 And what a beautiful place.
00:33:10.000 And we appreciate those camels.
00:33:11.000 I haven't seen camels like that in a long time.
00:33:15.000 And that was some greeting.
00:33:16.000 We appreciate it very much.
00:33:17.000 Thank you very much.
00:33:18.000 You can have a lot of fun.
00:33:19.000 Thank you, sir.
00:33:20.000 Thank you so much.
00:33:23.000 Thank you.
00:33:24.000 Maybe it's just a different timbre of propaganda.
00:33:28.000 Maybe it's just another one of those Middle Eastern visits.
00:33:32.000 Maybe it's all simply about trade.
00:33:35.000 Certainly there are some distinct and visually...
00:33:39.000 Stimulating moments to be found.
00:33:41.000 Let's have a look.
00:33:42.000 Trump talking about Western intervention.
00:33:45.000 Check this.
00:33:45.000 This is interesting.
00:33:49.000 And it's crucial for the wider world to note this great transformation has not come from Western interventionalists or...
00:34:00.000 Flying people in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs.
00:34:07.000 No, the gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation-builders, neocons, or liberal non-profits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing to develop.
00:34:23.000 Cabal.
00:34:28.000 The people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and charting your own destinies in your own way.
00:34:46.000 It's really incredible what you've done.
00:34:49.000 In the end, the so-called nation builders...
00:34:52.000 Wrecked far more nations than they built and the interventionalists were intervening in complex societies that they did not even understand themselves.
00:35:03.000 They told you how to do it but they had no idea how to do it themselves.
00:35:08.000 Peace, prosperity and progress ultimately came not from a radical rejection of your heritage but rather from embracing your national traditions and embracing that same heritage that you love.
00:35:21.000 So dearly.
00:35:25.000 That was a very interesting and expertly delivered speech.
00:35:30.000 Elon Musk needs to work on his hand clapping, doesn't he?
00:35:33.000 That applause was a little light.
00:35:39.000 What's extraordinary, just visually, is that wherever he is in the world, these speeches end...
00:35:44.000 With a now familiar new anthem.
00:35:48.000 When Gaza came up and I said, you know, we've got to be good to Gaza.
00:35:53.000 Excuse me, that's not it.
00:35:55.000 The new anthem is, of course, this.
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00:37:41.000 Okay, so let me know what you think about this, in particular, I suppose, about whether or not Saudi Arabia has to remain the pariah that Joe Biden said that it would be.
00:37:54.000 Let me know what you think about Qatari influence exerted in the form of an aeroplane.
00:37:59.000 Let me know what you consider to be the difference between Arabian political influence and Israeli.
00:38:09.000 And whether you consider Israel to have a unique status, either for good or for ill, and how you consider in particular these...
00:38:19.000 I mean, is this the beginning of a new tone of conversation?
00:38:23.000 I've never heard Trump say anything like this before.
00:38:26.000 Have a listen.
00:38:27.000 Trump addresses the issue of Gaza in a...
00:38:30.000 I don't know.
00:38:31.000 I feel like it was like a more sensitive tone.
00:38:34.000 Let me know what you think.
00:38:34.000 Gaza came up and I said, you know, we've got to be good to Gaza.
00:38:39.000 Those people are suffering.
00:38:41.000 We've got to be good to Gaza.
00:38:42.000 We're going to take care of that.
00:38:44.000 There's a very big need for medicine, food and medicine, and we're taking care of it.
00:38:50.000 In terms of opening up more access points or pushing Israelis?
00:38:57.000 To open up our access points?
00:38:58.000 To get food and medicine into Gaza.
00:39:02.000 How did the Prime Minister respond to that?
00:39:03.000 Well, he felt well about it.
00:39:09.000 Fascinating.
00:39:11.000 You know when Donald Trump recently stood trial, isn't that amazing?
00:39:17.000 It's probably only about six months ago.
00:39:18.000 When Trump stood trial, I think it was the sex offences.
00:39:23.000 They got a jury together.
00:39:25.000 Tell me in the comments and chat.
00:39:27.000 Was it the sex offences or was it the financial stuff?
00:39:29.000 They selected a jury.
00:39:31.000 A jury.
00:39:32.000 A jury.
00:39:33.000 Ah!
00:39:34.000 Jesus Christ, what was it they selected?
00:39:36.000 A jury.
00:39:37.000 They selected a jury.
00:39:39.000 And part of the point of a jury is they have to be objective.
00:39:44.000 Now, is that like a sort of...
00:39:46.000 How is that even possible with Donald Trump?
00:39:52.000 Is there anyone who's neutral on the subject of Donald Trump?
00:39:57.000 I suppose there probably are people that are not at all engaged by politics, either because of nihilism, poverty, despair, or spiritual transcendence, is what I would say.
00:40:08.000 Otherwise, look at this chat.
00:40:11.000 Everyone, I love him, he's a genius.
00:40:14.000 Yeah, shitfuck 11. Shitfuck 11, man.
00:40:17.000 Or, you know, he's disgusting, he's loathsome, he's the new Hitler.
00:40:22.000 So how could they have an objective jury when it came to Trump?
00:40:26.000 And because the coverage of him is either hagiographic or totally condemnatory, how can any of us be objective except unless we just watch him directly on camera, which, by the way, is possible nowadays because he creates that kind of content.
00:40:43.000 He does long truth social posts.
00:40:46.000 He does videos where you can sort of look at him.
00:40:48.000 And based on that...
00:40:50.000 I'd have to say, he seems like a person that I would trust way beyond how much I trust Barack Obama or Bill Clinton or George W. Bush or any number of people in an office that's...
00:41:03.000 You know how people that are anti-guns say, when those right to bear arms, when that amendment was made to your constitution...
00:41:13.000 People had, like, muskets.
00:41:15.000 And, like, had people had access to semi-automatic weaponry and all of the sort of advanced weaponry that's available now, they likely, people tried to sort of retro-engineer.
00:41:27.000 They said they would have had a different constitution.
00:41:29.000 Well, take this.
00:41:31.000 The office of the president is a kind of weapon.
00:41:34.000 When these systems of government were devised, mass media was not the way that it is now.
00:41:42.000 Technology was not the way that it is now.
00:41:44.000 Can anybody be expected to be like a kind of contemporary George Washington, a patriarch and figurehead for an entire nation?
00:41:55.000 And American politics was so different there, and a bit of a relationship with France in order to fund the war against the British, a bit of a relationship with the British in order to, as best as possible, create...
00:42:05.000 Convivial conditions after your victory in the War of Independence.
00:42:09.000 America didn't go like, we better watch out for China or Russia.
00:42:12.000 That just didn't exist, did it?
00:42:13.000 Those kind of dynamics, did it?
00:42:16.000 I'm not being naive, am I?
00:42:19.000 The way that free market capitalism and communism were political responses to industrialization, we need political systems that are a reflection of freedom.
00:42:35.000 The technology that we have now.
00:42:37.000 Do you see what I mean?
00:42:38.000 It's like these models and systems are not appropriate for the age we live in.
00:42:43.000 We have a God that is the same today, tomorrow and always.
00:42:47.000 In Jesus Christ.
00:42:48.000 He's not altering.
00:42:49.000 He's the same 2,000 years ago.
00:42:50.000 He's the same in the Garden of Eden.
00:42:52.000 He's the same in triune majesty and mystery before the advent of the world, which Joe Rogan recently reflected is as implausible from an astrophysical perspective as from a theological one, i.e.
00:43:07.000 what the whole thing just emerged from a molecule in a moment.
00:43:12.000 So we need some sort of sense of permanence, and our political systems and systems of organisation, if they're not a reflection of the divine, the archetypal, sublime truths that do not bear the hues, scars...
00:43:24.000 Colors, liveries and tags of tribalism.
00:43:27.000 If all we have in law and in government is this is my tribe, whether that tribe is the cultural wars of the United States of America or the very real potential wars between China and America, Russia and America, if all it is is that, some sort of amplification of tribalism, then we are not in alignment with where we all be now.
00:43:54.000 There is a requirement for a mass awakening.
00:43:57.000 Would you agree with that?
00:43:59.000 Look back in all your videos, Russell.
00:44:01.000 They're nearly all true now.
00:44:02.000 What do you mean?
00:44:02.000 What do you mean, angry wee jobby?
00:44:04.000 Tell me what you mean.
00:44:05.000 Send post one in the chat, because there's nothing I like more than being proven right over time.
00:44:10.000 In a sense, what I'm saying is that you can't have centralised government at this scale these days.
00:44:15.000 The true resistance, the true battle is between decentralisation...
00:44:20.000 And centralization.
00:44:21.000 Forget about whether or not that centralization is sort of state-oriented through socialism and leftism or free market-oriented through republicanism and capitalism.
00:44:32.000 It actually needs to shift to a spiritual perspective.
00:44:37.000 It actually needs to shift to all of us are centralized in our devotion to these ideas and principles.
00:44:45.000 All of us.
00:44:46.000 And that's the in-group versus the out-group, if you're going to have to have that kind of dynamic, which I suppose you're going to have to because the binary is real in terms of good versus evil, light versus dark, male, woman.
00:44:59.000 There are such categories, and these categories are, I suppose, now being somewhat begrudgingly acknowledged.
00:45:05.000 But what we, I believe, have to do, and forgive the clumsiness of this, I'm just working it out while I'm saying it, is do you try to imagine the world before Uber?
00:45:15.000 Remember how you had to get a taxi cab.
00:45:16.000 You had to sort of know how to get a taxi cab in the region you were in.
00:45:19.000 Now, if you've got Uber on your phone or ride or whatever, then you're hooked up.
00:45:23.000 There is a centralisation that is potentially diffuse.
00:45:27.000 It isn't diffuse because the profits are being centralised and most of these companies are offshore, certainly when it comes to my country, the UK, and they're destroying native labour in London in the form of the iconic Black London Taxi Cab Service, which should be defended and protected.
00:45:44.000 Airbnb does the same thing.
00:45:46.000 Imagine trying to rent out a room prior to Airbnb, but look at how they conglomerate, how large and bold they quickly become.
00:45:53.000 Isn't it clear to you that the technology that's used for Uber and Airbnb could be deployed to create absolute democracy?
00:46:01.000 That you could be running your community, your region.
00:46:03.000 Then you wouldn't have to worry about whether someone over there is a lesbian or not, or someone over here is a Muslim or not.
00:46:08.000 You would be personally invested in your community, where wherever possible, food was grown and reared, craft was constructed.
00:46:18.000 We were able to regulate independently and locally whether or not we wanted all 18-wheelers to go AI, or whether we wanted all...
00:46:27.000 Uber cars to suddenly become AI, or whether we wanted an influx of robots, or an influx of migrants.
00:46:34.000 All of it could be locally determined.
00:46:36.000 I'm not suggesting the end of the nation-state.
00:46:38.000 I'm suggesting diminishing the power of the nation-state, because the office of the president, like the evolution of the handgun, has gone beyond the laws that were intended for it.
00:46:50.000 And by the way, before you start, because I know how serious you are about your guns.
00:46:53.000 There's guns all over this room that I'm in right now, and everyone in this room is carrying one.
00:46:57.000 I'm not saying you don't have a right to have guns.
00:46:59.000 That's not my point.
00:47:01.000 My point is I agree that you need to be armed against the government.
00:47:05.000 The government are your enemy, for sure.
00:47:07.000 For sure, baby.
00:47:09.000 But what I also believe is that we should...
00:47:13.000 Be mindful of the lethal threats of armaments and armoury.
00:47:17.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments.
00:47:19.000 And chat, if you're watching us on X, we're going to leave you now and we're going to cover Keir Starmer and his gerrymandering, flip-flopping, prevaricating and disseminating.
00:47:29.000 Keir Starmer, the leader of the United Kingdom, changes his mind more often than he changes his underpants.
00:47:36.000 and he has to change them pretty regularly because it looks like he might be doing cocaine on the cocaine train, which any of you with any experience with the naughty white powder will know is a serious diuretic.
00:47:45.000 If you're doing a serious rail and then trust yourself to fart, My word, you may get what I call the brown payback.
00:47:55.000 A little alarm bell ringing at the back of a scrotum that lets you know you have made one holy error.
00:48:01.000 Now, I'm 22 and a half years free.
00:48:03.000 And clean from all drugs, thanks to the grace of God and the 12-step programs that I diligently practice.
00:48:10.000 And also, by the way, Keir Starmer, for all we know, that was AI, and I'm not suggesting that Keir Starmer takes cocaine or any of those things.
00:48:17.000 I'm just trying to have a little bit of fun.
00:48:19.000 What I will tell you, though, is this dude, man, when he was asked about, like, whether or not, what's a woman?
00:48:24.000 A woman, like six months ago, a woman, anyone who says that they're a woman is a woman.
00:48:31.000 Well, come on then, Keir, what do you mean by that?
00:48:33.000 You know, this dude struggles to commit to an opinion.
00:48:37.000 Whether it's matters of political consequence, like what's your perspective on this war?
00:48:40.000 What's your perspective on this tax?
00:48:42.000 Should old people have to pay these fuel bills?
00:48:44.000 What do you think about migration?
00:48:46.000 He changes all the time.
00:48:47.000 Now, people are seeing it as very significant.
00:48:49.000 He's changed his position on migration in the UK with a speech that we covered yesterday where he said, we've become a nation of strangers, an island of strangers.
00:48:58.000 This is extraordinary rhetoric, contrasted even with what he said around the time that the Southport Free Little Girls were murdered by a first-generation migrant where he said that the people that were protesting were racist and far-right and they would be brought to justice.
00:49:12.000 He's...
00:49:12.000 A really interesting, protean and amorphous politician.
00:49:16.000 Not in a good way.
00:49:17.000 He's one, I believe, of that class of politicians that simply say whatever they need to say in order to succeed.
00:49:23.000 Now, you might have noticed that in your own life.
00:49:25.000 Hold on, what about you, Russell?
00:49:27.000 Weren't you like a communist?
00:49:31.000 Actually, no.
00:49:33.000 I'm not a communist.
00:49:34.000 Why?
00:49:34.000 Because I've always believed in God.
00:49:35.000 And Marxism and communism posit that there is no God.
00:49:38.000 There's only a material reality and we're just responding to mechanical facts.
00:49:42.000 That's all that exists for us.
00:49:43.000 I believe in God above all else.
00:49:45.000 I always have done.
00:49:46.000 You take LSD when you're 16. There's no coming back.
00:49:49.000 Once you've been hit by that, once you've had yourself sort of molecularly fade like a waterfall in front of your own mind and you realise that you're a construct, there's no way back.
00:49:59.000 You might sort of grab on to different things as you grope up the fractal spiral ladder to the celestial peace that you may only find in Christ.
00:50:08.000 That's true.
00:50:09.000 But the principles remain the same.
00:50:11.000 Here's what I like about communism.
00:50:13.000 Fairness.
00:50:14.000 Sharing.
00:50:15.000 Not having an oligarchal global class telling everyone what to do.
00:50:18.000 Here's what I don't like about communism.
00:50:20.000 Centralising all power at the level of the state and allowing people to create de facto monarchies under the label of socialism, as happened in both China and Russia.
00:50:31.000 But...
00:50:31.000 Remember, the version of history that I'm assessing there is a version of history that was given to me by an institutional elite class in my own country that are invested in me being a forward-facing pleb.
00:50:45.000 That's what they want in the UK.
00:50:46.000 Same as here.
00:50:47.000 They send you to a school where you look forward at the blackboard, you sit down.
00:50:51.000 You're more likely to get injured sitting in a chair than you are doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
00:50:55.000 They want you dumb, forward-facing and remote-controllable.
00:50:59.000 That's the same in my country, same in your country.
00:51:01.000 So my point is this, when it comes to dear old Keir Starmer, who is a Christian I'm trying to love and pray for.
00:51:09.000 And it ain't that hard, really.
00:51:10.000 He's a beautiful person.
00:51:11.000 He'll be dead one day.
00:51:11.000 He'll be dust like all of us.
00:51:13.000 We'll be dust together in eternity, in infinity, and if we all accept Jesus together, surely we will know one another in the limitless expanse of the hereafter.
00:51:21.000 But for now, Keir Starmer appears to be one of those types of politicians that just says what he needs to say.
00:51:26.000 Oh, reform are getting a lot of votes, and they're saying that they want to control migration meaningfully, like net zero.
00:51:33.000 Trump's getting a lot of positive potency and power in the US with deportations, though he's been attacked in other quarters.
00:51:41.000 It seems somewhat absurd.
00:51:42.000 The MS-13 tattooed hand shit is blowing back and people are generally moving towards a kind of...
00:51:48.000 Well, Keir Starmer might be the last of the Mohicans when it comes to this type of politician.
00:51:57.000 I reckon their time might be up.
00:52:00.000 Let's have a look at Keir Starmer.
00:52:03.000 Being compared to the sort of ground zero of this type of rhetoric in the UK, Enoch Powell.
00:52:09.000 Enoch Powell actually...
00:52:12.000 Let's have a look at Enoch Powell in his own words, as it were.
00:52:15.000 This still has the same...
00:52:17.000 Oh, that's that one.
00:52:18.000 That's the old one.
00:52:20.000 I want you to watch this for a moment.
00:52:22.000 Hear me out and humor me, guys.
00:52:24.000 This is Enoch Powell, a British politician of the 1970s into 80s, who was being primed to be the leader of the Conservative Party.
00:52:33.000 And whether you like him or not, the reason he didn't become the leader was probably he was a bit too...
00:52:39.000 Aggressive, overt and honest.
00:52:41.000 I personally found a lot of Enoch Powell's rhetoric pretty disturbing because he was making these claims around the time of Windrush where the people that were migrating to the UK were from...
00:52:51.000 Nations that fought alongside British troops in the Second World War and had come to the UK in search of a better life.
00:52:59.000 Many people that come from Ghana, come from the West Indies, come from African regions in India, came to the UK not in order to sign up and be on welfare, but to work and to become nurses and doctors and contribute to a culture in the best possible melting pot way.
00:53:16.000 Years later, what has migration become?
00:53:18.000 Many people have become it's a way of destabilizing domestic populations.
00:53:21.000 You'll all be familiar with replacement theory.
00:53:23.000 These are ideas that you'll know more about than I do.
00:53:27.000 So Enoch Powell's famous speech was that there will be rivers of blood.
00:53:32.000 That the black man, this is his words, will have the whip hand over the white man and I see the river foam.
00:53:39.000 Like, who was the Roman historian?
00:53:41.000 I can't remember.
00:53:42.000 They were seeing the river Tiber foaming with much blood.
00:53:44.000 That was his famous...
00:53:45.000 And it generated a lot of tension.
00:53:47.000 Now watch this.
00:53:48.000 This is the kind of intelligent discourse that I pray will return.
00:53:51.000 I pray will return.
00:53:53.000 Jonathan Miller is an educated university class liberal.
00:53:57.000 Enoch Powell is a conservative.
00:53:59.000 Both these men probably literally speak Greek and Latin.
00:54:05.000 These are educated people.
00:54:06.000 Probably the best equivalent you might be able to reach for in your American culture is when Gore Vidal and William Buckley debated politics around the Nixon election, was it?
00:54:18.000 This is the kind of thing we need to return to.
00:54:21.000 We can't moronically flap our gums forevermore in hot and vibrant conflict.
00:54:27.000 We need to return to intelligent conversation.
00:54:29.000 Let's watch these two men arguing, and then we'll use this to analyse...
00:54:33.000 Why the world has become the way that it has empty, hollow politicians like Keir Starmer, and of course, a return to populist characters like Trump.
00:54:42.000 Let's look at it.
00:54:43.000 Nobody seriously imagines that if two-fifths of Birmingham consists of a first generation of descendants born here, of people from the West Indies, from Africa, and from Asia, there will not be a profound difference between that part of a population and the rest.
00:55:01.000 I think there may be a difference.
00:55:03.000 There certainly will be a difference.
00:55:04.000 Whether that difference is enough to promote anxiety unless someone declares...
00:55:09.000 You think nobody would notice?
00:55:10.000 No, I think they'll notice, certainly.
00:55:12.000 The question about this is whether they will notice with fear and horror unless someone announces to them that fear and horror are an appropriate response to such a fact.
00:55:19.000 I see.
00:55:20.000 And you think that human nature is such?
00:55:23.000 That unless somebody referred to this, nobody would notice that their own native cities were transformed, that the white population was moving out and a different population was moving out.
00:55:37.000 No, I didn't say that.
00:55:38.000 Well, you think then that it would be noticed, but that it would not merely be tolerated, but would be taken as a desirable or acceptable development.
00:55:48.000 No, I didn't say that either.
00:55:49.000 Well, that is what you have to say.
00:55:51.000 That is what you have to say.
00:55:52.000 If this is not to be a problem, you're simply putting words which you would find convenient in my mouth.
00:55:59.000 What I said was that...
00:56:01.000 Both of these men are supremely intelligent and I enjoy their manner of discourse.
00:56:06.000 Jonathan Miller clearly...
00:56:08.000 Refuse strongly Enoch Powell's position that migration is ultimately negative and terrifying and that Britain will lose its cultural identity.
00:56:16.000 Enoch Powell was a serious patriot and a monarchist and everything that one might imagine of a man of his generation and education.
00:56:25.000 What I'm enjoying is that Jonathan Powell, who was part of a quartet called Beyond the Fringe, along with Peter Cook, the incomparable and beautiful Dudley Moore, and Alan Bennett, a great British playwright, was part of an emergent generation who they performed before Jackie O and J.F.K.
00:56:44.000 in New York on Broadway.
00:56:46.000 They were part of this kind of...
00:56:49.000 Satire.
00:56:49.000 They were the advent of satire.
00:56:51.000 Political satire didn't exist before then.
00:56:52.000 So even something like The Daily Show and Jon Stewart emerges out of that political lineage.
00:56:57.000 You could go back to Jonathan's swift, I suppose, and sort of Gulliver's Travel, talking about contemporary comedy.
00:57:04.000 They were the ground zero of a type of satire.
00:57:08.000 Now, what I'm enjoying about the conversation is that it's...
00:57:13.000 Intelligent and reflective.
00:57:15.000 And that Enoch Powell is being forced to articulate his position more clearly because Jonathan Miller is not hollow or shallow.
00:57:25.000 He's trying to convey a compassionate perspective.
00:57:28.000 And Enoch Powell is trying to convey a conservative perspective.
00:57:32.000 We've not yet resorted to mudslinging, attacks on a person's character.
00:57:37.000 It's very, very interesting to me.
00:57:40.000 I didn't say that there would be no difficulties.
00:57:42.000 Difficulties are in the nature of human coexistence.
00:57:45.000 What I said was that the differences that there would be are not necessarily the differences which would excite fear and horror unless someone stands up and says that fear and horror are an appropriate response.
00:58:00.000 Someone invested with the authority of public office.
00:58:03.000 When you do that, the charisma of your office and the charisma of your role as a politician...
00:58:09.000 Will often convince people that fear and horror are an appropriate response if that is what is being told to them.
00:58:16.000 It's what philosophers call a performative utterance.
00:58:18.000 No doubt you're familiar with it.
00:58:19.000 And social cooperation is a hard and a difficult thing.
00:58:23.000 I feel that you would have done your duty as a politician, as an ethical politician, much more productively if instead of exciting the notion of future strife, you had encouraged the notion of future cooperation on the basis of understanding.
00:58:38.000 Let's get in touch with that at Eddie Burphy who made that clip because he might find archive for us that will help us when we do our new season to develop content that is more articulate and historically undergirded.
00:58:50.000 It's a good idea.
00:58:52.000 So, note that they cut Enoch Powell's response, so you have to pay attention to everything that's going on when you're trying to scrutinise something like this, but you get a general idea that there is a liberal, compassionate and human response to the problem of migration that Miller is trying to articulate.
00:59:09.000 Now, Keir Starmer, the problem with Keir Starmer having the position that he's now adopted on the subject of migration is that he's a political inheritor of the liberal left.
00:59:19.000 He's the leader of the Labour Party.
00:59:21.000 So it's like a Democrat politician suddenly saying, I'm changing my view on migration.
00:59:26.000 And people that are genuinely concerned about migration will say, oh, he doesn't really believe it anyway.
00:59:31.000 He doesn't have the interests of the British people at heart.
00:59:33.000 He's a globalist, imperialist, WEF-style politician that ultimately is invested in the managed decline of nations like the UK and the United States of America in order that global agencies and bodies can step in and reap the rewards of a falling civilization.
00:59:49.000 That seems to be sort of part of the perspective.
00:59:51.000 Now, here he is being compared to Enoch Powell on a British day.
00:59:57.000 He spent five minutes sounding to a lot of critics like he could have been Nigel Farage.
01:00:03.000 And the criticism is he actually sounded like Enoch Powell.
01:00:08.000 So I repeat the question, which is, did you know about this Island of Strangers line?
01:00:13.000 And is it one that you agree with and would use?
01:00:16.000 Well, I think what you heard the primary...
01:00:19.000 These are members of his cabinet sort of defending him.
01:00:21.000 This is Starmer himself in Parliament.
01:00:24.000 The situation is serious.
01:00:25.000 The last government lost control of the borders.
01:00:27.000 We are taking powers.
01:00:29.000 The borders bill, precisely to his point, the borders bill is the first bill to give terrorism-like powers to law enforcement, precisely so that we can get in before the crimes are committed, before people get to this country.
01:00:42.000 That's why this is the most far-reaching provision ever for law enforcement to defend and secure our...
01:00:48.000 And that's why it is extraordinary that he, of all people, voted against it.
01:00:58.000 It's very interesting.
01:00:59.000 This political debate is occurring as a result of the rise of Nigel Farage and reform in the UK as a meaningful political threat, which is itself as a result of the rise of populist nativist politics across the world, notably and primarily in the United States of America.
01:01:17.000 Many years ago, I was on a debate show called Question Time with Nigel Farage, and on that, I somewhat memorably coined and executed the phrase, you're a pound shop, Enoch Powell.
01:01:26.000 Pound shops are a bit like saying Timo, I guess, is what you have over here.
01:01:29.000 That's like an online version, isn't it?
01:01:30.000 But you know, like dollar stores.
01:01:32.000 It goes, you're a pound shop, Enoch Pound.
01:01:34.000 It was pretty funny.
01:01:35.000 It was a pretty slick lyric.
01:01:36.000 And also, by the way, at that point, I was being sort of like really pushed into various political positions.
01:01:42.000 And I think that there's something...
01:01:44.000 The British establishment in particular are observant as to when there could be some kind of populist uprising that's antithetical to their interests and are very quick to reclaim that space.
01:01:54.000 Probably that's true in your country as well.
01:01:55.000 And I, for a minute, was the middle of something that got kind of popular.
01:01:59.000 There was actual big protests.
01:02:01.000 Like 10,000 people marched the Downing Street for this housing thing that I was involved in.
01:02:04.000 I was supporting this campaign and I elevated and amplified an existing housing campaign and I think made it more successful, I would say.
01:02:14.000 Okay, let's have a quick look at this.
01:02:16.000 So around this time, I was invited on TV a lot.
01:02:18.000 I was moving out of being like what you might call a normal anodyne commodity celebrity into a slightly more volatile celebrity, though still at that point, probably aspects of my perspective were useful.
01:02:28.000 Not to mention the fact that because I've not been university educated or even fully high school educated, they could get me on TV shows and like...
01:02:40.000 Look, if you fly into Gatwick, you'll see lots of green spaces.
01:02:48.000 That is certainly true.
01:02:49.000 However, if you have a country in which the population goes up as a direct result of immigration, what you find is not a shortage of green fields.
01:02:58.000 If that's where you wanted to build houses, you find a shortage of primary school places.
01:03:03.000 You find a shortage of GP surgeries.
01:03:06.000 You know, we have fewer GPs per head than any other country in Europe today.
01:03:10.000 You find congestion, whether it's on the roads or the London Underground or wherever you go.
01:03:16.000 And what you find is that actually you're constantly playing catch up and really the general quality of life for the massive population has gone down.
01:03:27.000 So I think those comments today were wholly irresponsible.
01:03:30.000 Look at me, weird as fuck, on the TV as always.
01:03:38.000 That's not a normal way to sit, is it?
01:03:40.000 I'm so, like, loaded with adrenaline and cortisol all the time.
01:03:43.000 I'm well, well, well into recovery.
01:03:45.000 It's not that long ago.
01:03:46.000 Look at me.
01:03:47.000 That's not a normal way to behave.
01:03:48.000 Can I see the still of that?
01:03:51.000 Is that hard to get that on the monitor?
01:03:53.000 Look at me.
01:03:54.000 That's really...
01:03:55.000 Can I see it in split screen?
01:03:57.000 Let's watch it in split screen.
01:04:00.000 In 1990, the population of this country was 55 million.
01:04:05.000 It is now between 62 and 63 million.
01:04:07.000 That is a massive, massive increase.
01:04:10.000 And I think ordinary folk going about their lives are feeling it.
01:04:14.000 And I think, you know, having a proper immigration policy, controlling the numbers, doing what nearly 200 countries in the world.
01:04:23.000 Cut away.
01:04:24.000 Make sure you get a black person in the cutaways, as we can emphasise the At that point, I was at odds and loggerheads with Nigel Farage.
01:04:33.000 Listening to him now, I can hear his points about services and access to amenities.
01:04:39.000 But I would still like to layer in these important points.
01:04:44.000 Global commercial and corporate power that most diminishes the ability of ordinary people across the world to live fulfilling and economically appropriate lives.
01:04:56.000 Migration does not help when it's at the scale that it is now in some European countries and maybe even in your country.
01:05:04.000 The problem we get when focusing solely on migration...
01:05:07.000 It becomes dehumanising and it certainly isn't loving.
01:05:12.000 Many people will have recourse to the now popularly used adage, put your own mask on first.
01:05:18.000 You know, you can't save the world if you can't save yourselves.
01:05:21.000 But then I immediately pivot to this point.
01:05:24.000 What are your reference when it comes to deciding who has authority?
01:05:31.000 and what our vision for society is.
01:05:33.000 We live in a time of competing visions.
01:05:35.000 We've always lived in a time of competing visions.
01:05:37.000 The problem is now that the speed has exponentially increased to the point where all of us live in a blur of everybody else's cacophonous vision, a synthesisia of noise and sound and mad colour, of continual uncertainty.
01:05:53.000 In this place, only two types of leaders will survive.
01:05:57.000 One, the authentic...
01:06:00.000 If somewhat demagogic populists, as best exemplified perhaps like never before by Donald Trump, whose authenticity, easy rhetoric, can perhaps make up for some of the ways that he belongs to an age, I would say, economically, that might have passed.
01:06:18.000 Then you have these bureaucratic managerial types like Keir Starmer, who...
01:06:25.000 Like his forebears, and that includes people from both political parties, David Cameron, Tony Blair, will simply say what needs to be said in order to maintain power.
01:06:36.000 Whatever you think about Trump, can you imagine him prevaricating or going, actually now, I don't agree that we should build a wall.
01:06:43.000 Like, yeah, I shouldn't have said that.
01:06:45.000 There should never have been a wall.
01:06:46.000 And if he did, he would sort of say it like that, wouldn't he?
01:06:48.000 And you'd go, look, I did say build a wall, but now I'm against walls because of this reason.
01:06:52.000 There's a kind of some sort of earnest reliability at his core.
01:06:56.000 Keir Starmer, whether you're asking him whether a woman is a woman or whether a migrant is a migrant, is a person that I feel might not be deeply rooted in...
01:07:06.000 Principles.
01:07:07.000 But that might just be because of my own biases and prejudices.
01:07:10.000 I'm generally disposed to thinking of right-wing nationalism now to be interested in free speech, protection of personal values.
01:07:18.000 I'm still kind of concerned when I think about treating migrants.
01:07:24.000 In a way that is unfair and unjust.
01:07:26.000 I also obviously acknowledge that if you have a country, you've got to have borders.
01:07:30.000 And if you have a country, you've got to have a vision.
01:07:32.000 If you have a country, you've got to have leaders.
01:07:34.000 But perhaps what we are actually at now is the point where it's systems themselves that need to alter.
01:07:40.000 This is, by the way, precisely what I was saying under the decline of Democrat leadership and globalism and neoliberalism.
01:07:46.000 And now that we have a different political landscape entirely as a result of Trump, the MAGA movement, and the kind of boldness of the people that were...
01:07:53.000 I think what we have is a landscape now where we have to recognise that in order for the lives of ordinary people to improve, the systems themselves have to adapt and change.
01:08:13.000 Maybe your constitution is robust enough to enshrine, espouse and even house those ideas, i.e.
01:08:20.000 maximum independence in each state.
01:08:22.000 Each town, each street, each house and each heart.
01:08:27.000 But maybe it isn't.
01:08:28.000 That's just what I think.
01:08:29.000 I don't know what you think in the comments and chat.
01:08:31.000 We've been going for 63 minutes now.
01:08:33.000 We've done a good job.
01:08:34.000 Tomorrow we'll be back with our gang, group, show, which will be fantastic.
01:08:39.000 We'll be talking about the week's news and having an easy kickback and a bit of fun with the team.
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01:08:50.000 Fantastic stuff.
01:08:51.000 And for us, we'll be back tomorrow.
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01:08:54.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.
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