Russell Brand is joined by Dave Rubin on the set of the Rubio Report to discuss the impact of the Trump trial on American culture, and the implications for the future of the conservative movement, and whether or not we can all unify in our opposition to globalist centralised authority. Russell Brand is a comedian, writer, podcaster, and podcaster. His work has been featured on Comedy Central, HBO, and many other media outlets. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, and NPR. He is also the host of the show The Rubin Report on Dave Rubin's Fantastic Homestead, where he talks about American culture and culture in general. In this episode, Russell and Dave discuss the significance of the verdict in the Trump case, and how it could be a catalytic event that could lead to the end of Trump's presidency and the dissolution of American institutions of authority, including the DOJ, DOJ, FBI, and DOJ, and all the other agencies that have been accused of colluding with the Deep state to bring Trump to trial, and what that could mean for the country and the world, and why they should be worried about what s going to happen. . If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE on Apple Podcasts and leave us a rating and review in iTunes. Remember, click the link in the description if you want to join us on Locals. Who came up with that platform, by the way? That s where we do all the cool stuff! and much more! ! Thanks for listening, you're awesome! - Eternally grateful for your support and support us, and we appreciate your support. - The Awakened Wonder Podcasts! Timestamps: - - 5 stars is much more than you can do for our content! - Thank you! - The Awakening Wonder Podcast - Thank you, You're a Friend of the Future - Thank You, You'll See the Future? - Your Support Us, I'll See The Future? - Thank Me Soon, Russell Brand, by: Dave Rubin, AKA The Enlightened Wunderlist - The Awakening Wunderstandings in the next episode of Awakenespires & The Awakening Wonders Podcasts Podcasts - & much more. & - This is a special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand: Stay Free With Russell Brand
00:03:09.000Wouldn't it be amazing if I didn't interview Dave Rubin?
00:03:12.000Well, plainly, in Dave Rubin and the Rubin Report's Fantastic Homestead, I'm going to be talking to Dave about American culture.
00:03:18.000Of course, we're talking about the Trump verdict.
00:03:20.000We're talking about how to heal the fractures that are appearing across the right and whether or not we can all unify in our opposition towards globalist centralised authority and the significance of the Trump trial in that dynamic.
00:03:33.000We'll be talking about all of that and more.
00:03:35.000Remember, click Click the link in the description if you want to join us on Locals.
00:03:40.000Who came up with that platform, by the way?
00:04:46.000Let's put aside whether any of it was legit, which I largely don't think it was, whether it was fixed because the DA was a Soros DA, and that they basically set up the entire system to get this guy, and it's on charges that no one else has been brought against, and all the rest.
00:05:49.000Even if you only put him in jail for two months, you know what I mean?
00:05:52.000Like you just do something that furthers the thing.
00:05:55.000Like for all the stuff that you and I talk about that we're trying to Make the world a little bit better or make people understand the stuff a little bit to the extent that we can.
00:06:03.000It's like the stuff pretty much gets worse all the time, right?
00:06:23.000But largely the system has just been getting worse and worse and worse.
00:06:28.000And I think at this point, because there's been, maybe you can think of one, I can't think of one, one moment in the last couple years as it's pertained to all the big stories, where suddenly things got a lot better.
00:06:47.000And then it's like two weeks later, it's nuttier.
00:06:50.000It's never like, oh, it did sort of get back to normalcy.
00:06:53.000We stopped pretending that boys are girls or whatever the other things are.
00:06:56.000Now, there are pockets where that is happening properly.
00:07:00.000Again, this place where we kicked a lot of the woke stuff out of schools and everything else, but at a national or even I guess global sense, it seems to the energy is just the
00:07:10.000entropy of it is that it'll get worse and worse. So this it seems to me that the story of Trump,
00:07:15.000like you've been talking about your own story and your own journey and all that, that the story he's
00:07:21.000on is now he is going to end up in jail.
00:07:23.000I don't know what that does to the political part of all of this.
00:07:27.000I sense it's going to rightfully enrage a whole bunch of people.
00:07:30.000And I don't know where that puts us as a country.
00:07:32.000And as you said before, half the people believe one thing, half the people believe another thing.
00:07:38.000But I see almost no way about it around it.
00:07:40.000And the other part, I don't know if you know this, but you know, when they appeal this thing, It gets appealed to the Supreme Court of New York, obviously not to the Supreme Court of the United States.
00:07:48.000The Supreme Court of New York has five black female judges.
00:07:53.000Now I don't judge anyone based on the color of their skin or on their gender.
00:07:58.000However, it is virtually, someone ran the numbers on this and one of my guys can correct me, it's virtually impossible statistically to have a court makeup of five black women.
00:08:09.000So DEI and diversity did get these women, at least some of them, the job.
00:08:13.000So then you have to think, did they all start, did they all kind of think the same thing?
00:08:17.000And did they think judicially the same thing?
00:08:19.000And that they all kind of think the same thing about Trump.
00:08:22.000What a horrible thing to have to think about that just because of someone's skin color and gender that but so you can basically assume that if it when it gets to appeal, because they're obviously going to appeal it, the appeal will be denied.
00:08:33.000And then you can basically assume that the judge is going to throw him in jail.
00:08:39.000And by the way, I hope I'm wrong about all of that.
00:08:41.000I hope someone will watch this in two months and be like, ah, Rubin really screwed that one up.
00:08:45.000Visibly, the Supreme Court point, I suppose the argument that has been made out of progressivism is if there's five white men in their 60s that are presumably heterosexual, that you could make a comparable argument, although demographically it's different because of the makeup of the country would, you know, Aside from that small point, I feel like...
00:09:11.000I feel that we're in a kind of Tolkien-esque moment, where things have become mythically significant, and I don't see how this can lead to anything other than further despair.
00:09:23.000And I recognise that you made a good point, even though you're aware of all of the various rationalist intellectuals that have come out saying, don't be ridiculous, the Second World War was a disaster, and more people than ever before have been pulled out of poverty.
00:09:38.000There are a lot of people who can create statistics Make you feel like, oh actually no, everything's great.
00:09:45.000It does feel that we're in a period where, and one of the trends I'm observing is that significant events appear to be geared towards legitimizing more measures of authority.
00:09:57.000And this to me seems like I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw more martial law, more demands for lockdown.
00:10:05.000How do you feel about that as an idea?
00:10:09.000Look what you and I, just telling people what we think.
00:10:12.000And we have various points of agreement and disagreement.
00:10:15.000I think over the years, at least from the way I've known you, or for the years that I've known you, I think we've come together on a lot of things, but I'm sure we're not together on everything.
00:10:22.000And by the way, as you know, that is completely irrelevant for a friendship and everything else.
00:10:26.000Um, but if you think about the things that you've been censored for, why did we both end up working with rumble?
00:10:32.000I mean, why did I create locals that ultimately merge with rumble?
00:10:34.000Why did you, when you started talking about this stuff more and being more outwardly, uh, being more outward about your political views, why did you go towards rumble?
00:10:45.000Was it because you were saying anything crazy?
00:10:47.000Were you saying anything racist or bigoted or anything else?
00:10:49.000Why did you just spend a year of your life being attacked by a system?
00:10:54.000Why did the system look at you and be like, I've got to attack him?
00:10:57.000Well, it was because you were saying true things, right?
00:11:00.000I mean, it's, it's not much more complex than that.
00:11:03.000Um, to whatever extent that I've been saying true things, it's the same story and it's obviously not just us.
00:11:09.000Why does, I mean, the, the picture that you pointed out that we keep from the New York times right there, that's a front page, uh, New York Sunday, New York times where they called me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman, Ben Shapiro and a couple of other people, Thomas soul, the heads of the alt right.
00:11:22.000So I love that right there, because it shows what fabricated nonsense they've been throwing at us forever.
00:11:29.000But your question was about, does this all lead to more authoritarian systems?
00:11:35.000I mean, Canadian truckers, ask them about what happened to them.
00:11:40.000You know, all they did was say, hey, can we go to work?
00:11:43.000can we put some food on our family's table? And Justin Trudeau literally shut down bank accounts.
00:11:49.000So, you know, froze bank accounts for these people and then they didn't have anything. I mean,
00:11:54.000and that's just the test. To me, what it seems like we're going through is just a series of tests.
00:11:59.000Can we silence a certain set of people online?
00:12:02.000And yeah, if you're not as popular as Russell Brand, can they delete your account and no one will ever hear of you again because you have no other means to get the word out there?
00:12:09.000So what can we do with a guy like Russell Brand?
00:12:11.000Well, with Russell Brand, maybe we'll demonetize his YouTube channel.
00:12:14.000That might curb him in a certain way, because then he goes, well, I have to put food on the table.
00:12:19.000Sure, I've got a lot, but, you know, I'm still allowed to make a living doing what I do.
00:12:22.000So I won't talk about those topics that they don't want us to.
00:12:26.000That was, again, largely why I started Locals and Rumble in the first place.
00:12:29.000I could just see that coming down the road.
00:12:32.000You know, I started my YouTube channel in, I think, 2013.
00:12:36.000So I've been in the game long enough to see where it was all happening.
00:12:40.000You could talk about this and nobody would see your videos.
00:12:42.000You talk about that and then a lot of people see your videos.
00:12:45.000And then you start, you know, it's a little bit like...
00:12:48.000I don't know, it's like Tom Cruise in Minority Report.
00:12:50.000You start seeing the map in front of you.
00:12:52.000And so that's what led me here to create all this and everything else and then be connected with people like you.
00:12:59.000But if you look at freezing of bank accounts, if you look at what we now know through Twitter files is government and big tech collusion to silence people, one of my tweets was on the list.
00:13:09.000I mean, Congressman Jim Jordan literally went, they had a congressional hearing talking about who they've censored and I was on there.
00:13:16.000So the government Worked with big tech to censor me.
00:13:31.000But the point is in terms of control, well, if they can control your bank account, which is also why they're trying to get us more towards a central bank currency, digital currency, and they can control what you say.
00:13:42.000And they can basically be looking at your phone.
00:13:44.000And again, some of this is conspiratorial in that we don't know exactly what they're doing.
00:13:48.000Are they looking at your phone every day?
00:13:50.000Are they listening to every one of your phone calls?
00:13:52.000And again, it's who's they and all of that stuff.
00:13:56.000But any thinking person knows that we, and this goes to what we were talking about before, that tension between old world and new world, we've been given all these unbelievably powerful tools.
00:14:06.000We have the freaking world in our pocket.
00:14:43.000And for you, as you're having your, that's an Old Testament story, but you know, as you're having your journey, Like, that's fundamentally true.
00:14:50.000And if I didn't believe that, I don't know that I could do this.
00:14:52.000Because then it's like, can you beat Google?
00:14:57.000In my read the Bible in a year daily analysis, it said, you know, with the David and Goliath story, sometimes you feel like it's so big, how can I win?
00:15:10.000But it must become, it's so big, how can I miss?
00:15:13.000In the end, you have to make that transition.
00:15:16.000I was thinking The Death Star had one little hole and Luke figured it out.
00:15:20.000They've got to stop building them with that.
00:15:24.000So I was wondering, like when you talked about the Canadian truckers, another one of the movements that appears to be defining the tension that exists on a global level is the agricultural and farming movement.
00:15:35.000It's one of the ways that I am able to track, it seems, without too much study, that something is happening.
00:15:42.000appears that there's an attempt at a global level to control food. These ideas of control
00:16:13.000But embedded within it was essentially the ability to oppose all the things that they may have regarded as having gone wrong during the pandemic.
00:16:21.000An increased ability to censor, the ability to impose lockdowns, the ability to take domestic taxation and reroute it to the WHO.
00:16:33.000And I wonder how you feel, Dave, about just the general sense that national sovereignty is being surpassed, that power is migrating upwards, that censorship appears to be such an important component of it.
00:16:47.000And I wonder, you've said just then that from a spiritual and indeed biblical perspective you feel optimistic.
00:16:55.000How do you imagine these movements might coalesce?
00:16:58.000How are they to coalesce when there is so much cultural division?
00:17:03.000That even when in recent months, in particular since the Middle Eastern conflict flared up again, there's been division in spaces where there was starting to be consensus.
00:17:15.000How are we gonna truly manage To have consensus among people that don't agree on everything.
00:17:22.000How can we achieve that when there seem to be so many minds going off throughout the culture?
00:17:27.000I mean, it's basically like the unanswerable question to some extent, because you're basically like, what's the meaning of life in some way?
00:17:34.000Because it's getting groups of people, individuals first and then groups of people, to be like, oh, there's something good here that we can maybe share and build together and do something Beyond all of us?
00:17:48.000So putting aside that it's an impossible question, I can give you like some granular stuff, I suppose.
00:17:55.000I mean, first off, I think one good thing that we're seeing right now, we're seeing this largely in Europe, is that Europeans, because of the craziness of the way immigration was done over the last decade or so, and just letting all of these people in, And not understanding that you're going to have to give these people certain things and that the people who are job earners and everything might feel that their taxes are suddenly not being used for them, but for other people.
00:18:18.000It's there's all sorts of strife in Europe.
00:18:20.000I mean, you definitely have it in the UK, but it's obviously it's in Belgium.
00:18:45.000We share a border with Canada and we share a lot of values with Canada.
00:18:48.000But we're not. If you're an American, you have laws that are applicable to you and you hopefully
00:18:53.000have a commonality enough with those laws that you're not here to burn it down. I think what
00:18:57.000we now have are an awful lot of people in an awful lot of countries that don't seem to like
00:19:02.000the countries they're in. But the counter to that is that people are realizing, oh, if you live in
00:19:07.000the West, if you live in any of the countries that I just named, most of Western Europe and
00:19:11.000America and Canada, even Mexico, like you live in a pretty great place that is counter to the way
00:19:17.000way humans have lived for a long, long time.
00:19:20.000And I think that the more people realize that, like here for an American perspective, we've been watching about seven or 10 million illegals come in in three years.
00:19:30.000Now, it doesn't matter, put aside skin color, put aside religion or anything else, any system, you can't just have an unlimited flood of people come into it, an unlimited flood.
00:19:39.000You just have no idea if 1% of these people are bad or what it's going to do to the system, right?
00:19:45.000But we had it happening, finally, because of online shows, people started waking up to it and now it's a national topic.
00:19:52.000And suddenly people are talking about it again and saying, oh, we should have sovereign borders.
00:19:57.000So that's a long, meandering way of saying that all of the stuff that sounds insane, that we're dealing with all the time, that boys can magically turn into girls, or that schools should be allowed to call children by different names without telling the parents, all this stuff that no one in their right mind thinks is right, or that we should judge people by the color of their skin, because that's the way the entire DEI system works.
00:20:18.000Enough people, I think, now are getting to the point where they're ready to do something about it.
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00:22:26.000I agree with interrogating and investigating unconscious biases and And investigating and interrogating institutions in order that you might find assumptions there that are not ever correctly being addressed.
00:22:41.000Now I think that that could be done ad infinitum to the point of a massive unraveling and what you unravel you may not be able to put back together again and you may not have a better idea to replace it.
00:22:51.000Right, it's like the house is burning down and you're staring at the dust bunny in the corner focused on that.
00:22:56.000It's like, guys, Yeah, potentially you could become a little drawn into the specificity of something.
00:23:05.000One of the things I think is interesting here is that When people present arguments around immigration, the assumption always was, for me, that coming from a country like Britain, with an imperial colonial past, as well as the many wonderful things Britain has done, you know... Don't forget the wonderful things, yeah.
00:23:27.000The Beatles, we made that while the rock and roll came from you lot.
00:23:31.000Come on, come on, don't go too far down that road, because that road will not lead you anywhere, you know what I mean?
00:23:36.000What I feel like is that the assumption was that the reason for immigration... People are honest about certain economic requirements and a requirement for people to be tasked with certain social roles.
00:23:50.000But there was always this sense, particularly in modern arguments around immigration, that it's undergirded by compassion, that we have a duty and an obligation.
00:23:57.000But now, knowing what I've come to understand in the post-pandemic era, like where, for example, the reason for the lockdowns and the medications and the social controls was similarly supposed to be compassion and the sanctity of life, and I don't buy those arguments from the establishment anymore.
00:24:12.000So now I don't believe that those arguments are being deployed anywhere.
00:24:17.000I always feel that there is a secondary motivation that is being concealed.
00:24:20.000So, if people are saying that, you know, the reason for immigration is either economic, we need the labour, or, you know, a duty that America or Western countries have because of their colonial or imperial past, if that is not the reason, do you ever entertain some of the, you know, for example, displacement theory that is about sort of providing alternative labour, or I've even heard the ideas that seem Pretty extraordinary that fight in age males are being imported in large numbers and that there could be some almost insurrectionist event.
00:24:51.000And also if you start there, these are the kind of things that will get you dubbed or right.
00:24:56.000These are the kind of things that will get you a strike.
00:24:58.000These are the kind of things There are that way you feel adjacent to racism although of course you wouldn't necessarily be there would be a right racial dynamic necessarily to those categories so how do you assess that and what do you know if immigration isn't because of economic reasons or you know if the economic reasons of flood the labor market?
00:25:16.000Well I think very simply if anyone in their right mind thinks what's going on on our border right now where we just have floods of people floods of people coming through if you think that has something to do with the compassion The compassion of the Democrats to make our workforce healthier, that's just like a psychotic notion.
00:25:34.000It's interesting to me that you said that the COVID portion of compassion sort of allowed you to see the fakery around how they use compassion on other issues too.
00:25:44.000Look, when it comes to the gender stuff, they do what Jordan calls the butchering,
00:25:50.000I mean, genital mutilation of young girls, tell them that they're boys under the guise of compassion.
00:25:55.000That doesn't seem very compassionate to me.
00:25:57.000What would be compassionate is if you had a 12 year old who was confused or had issues around their gender identity,
00:26:03.000what would be compassionate would be to give them the proper psychological help or figure out
00:26:08.000what's going on at home and everything else.
00:26:09.000And then I think you're probably aware I'm at on this as an adult if they wished to do something with their body
00:26:15.000and be called a certain way, they could.
00:26:16.000And by the way, if they then, as an adult, treated me with respect, I would treat them with respect and all of the rest of it.
00:26:22.000But as it pertains to immigration, I don't see how anyone could think that this is anything other than intentional, what's going on here.
00:26:30.000Because again, I said a few minutes ago that for all of you in Europe, that could go back 10 years.
00:26:35.000I think most people in the UK, I mean, Brexit proved this already.
00:26:38.000But I think it's even more significant now.
00:26:40.000Most people in the UK would say, we can't let in a million people.
00:26:44.000It doesn't matter if we've done some things wrong and the British Empire existed and everything else.
00:26:48.000Most people in Germany, Germany for sure.
00:26:50.000I mean, Angela Merkel even admitted it a couple of years ago.
00:26:52.000She let in about a million and a half people and then it destroyed their social services.
00:26:57.000They have a new strife on the streets, a racial tension, which Germany obviously has a history of that, which didn't go well.
00:27:03.000When I hear Joe Biden or any of these people talk about immigration, It either feels very intentional.
00:27:09.000I mean, Elon Musk has talked about this a bit that, you know, in essence, they're trying to bring in new voters.
00:27:14.000And then, of course, the other piece, because they're realizing they're losing control of the minorities now.
00:27:18.000Black people tend right now, at least as it stands right now, are breaking a little more Republican.
00:27:23.000Hispanics are against illegal immigration because many Hispanics came here illegally.
00:27:27.000And then they don't want Just anyone to be allowed in.
00:29:10.000We want to be able to reunite families.
00:29:12.000You can come if you have a job promised to you or something else.
00:29:15.000But it's not compassion to let in two million people who have no connection here, don't speak the language, and then just put them on the dole, which the Democrats have largely done.
00:29:25.000And then literally in New York City, you have the Roosevelt Hotel, which was one of the most iconic hotels of New York.
00:29:30.000is now a sanctuary, it's an illegal immigrant center basically, it's a migrant center right now.
00:29:37.000They literally have housekeeping, can you believe that?
00:29:40.000So they have legal immigrants who now are doing housekeeping for illegals that are there.
00:29:45.000Is that compassionate to those people?
00:29:47.000Is that compassionate to the average person who lives in New York City who's now paying for it?
00:29:51.000So the compassion argument, the left has really done that really well.
00:29:55.000I think it's why most people when they're young are lefties.
00:29:58.000It makes you feel good to think you can help everybody and that you come from a place that did bad things.
00:30:04.000There's this unearned guilt and you take all of those things together and you end up with something very dangerous, which again, I'm glad people are kind of waking up to right now.
00:30:13.000It seems like what we're talking around is significant decline and decay.
00:30:19.000The verdict around Trump, by your reckoning likely incarceration of Trump, could be a cultural and social tipping point.
00:30:29.000Around the world there are numerous wars that don't seem like they're going to get any better anytime soon.
00:30:35.000There's a sense that this country is being, by your appraisal Dave, Worse because of civilian management or population control or lack of population control.
00:30:45.000This in conjunction with new measures and legislation to at least create the ability to impose control.
00:30:53.000There's a point where this changes for me for being something I do for a living and talk about to something that I become sort of like scared of.
00:31:01.000And like, yeah, I'm thinking about coming into... Yeah, you said to me, I'm thinking about moving to Florida.
00:31:08.000But that was, you whittled it into one sentence to me, because everyone that is on the journey that you and I are on, sort of politically or culturally, says the same thing when they come here.
00:31:16.000I should be living in Florida, or I'm moving to Florida.
00:31:18.000They cannot believe it, that it is being done right here.
00:32:02.000The police chief then gave a speech, gave a press conference, where he said, we're thankful that this guy pulled his gun out because it makes our job easier.
00:32:20.000I want to be wary of it, and I don't want it too encompassing and everything else.
00:32:24.000But when you have a little bit of a mix of personal responsibility and good governance, And we have no income tax here, so you have a little bit more money.
00:32:53.000The point is, if you allow people to keep a little bit more of what's theirs, if you put a little less regulation.
00:32:59.000So right now we have so many people moving to Florida, right?
00:33:01.000So one of the things that's happening is we have a housing issue because they can't build housing fast enough, basically.
00:33:06.000So DeSantis cut a bunch of regulation around that.
00:33:09.000Basically, all of the problems that we have here are problems of success.
00:33:13.000But isn't that fun to be part of something where your problems are because of success and not because of, I don't know what I would say, something like intentional destruction of society?
00:33:22.000In isolation, taking her in isolation is pretty encouraging stories.
00:33:25.000And yeah, but when I'm thinking about moving to Florida, I think, is that going to be enough?
00:33:30.000Because it feels to me like a significant encroachment on freedom that I've experienced on a personal level and that we've discussed together.
00:33:37.000Sure, we're still part of a banking system here.
00:33:41.000Yeah, and do you not actually consider, like, you know, man, you must be aware because we work in the space, like, if you've watched people over the years like David Icke and Alex Jones, who I figure and have always sort of thought of as kind of shamanic evangelists, that whilst, you know, they've used evidence, they're operating on interesting planes and have both said things that I, you know, obviously disagree with, like everyone says things that I disagree with.
00:34:06.000But one of the things that both of them have been saying for many, many years is that we are moving towards There's a centralised global authority where crisis will be used to increasingly legitimise control.
00:34:18.000And if that is happening, and happening at the pace that it seems to have been in the last 10 years, and like you say, it's exponentially getting worse, then it's not going to be enough to say, oh, we live in Florida, they're giving us breaks around construction or tax breaks.
00:34:32.000So it feels to me like we might be on the precipice of something terrifying and almost biblical.
00:34:39.000I don't know sort of how you marry your job as a commentator with the brilliant success, actually, that you've achieved in this space, which I personally think is incredibly admirable, with the fact that actually some serious shit might be happening.
00:34:55.000Yeah, well, it's sort of like you're basically saying, how do we get up in the morning?
00:34:59.000Like, how do any of us get up in the morning?
00:35:00.000Look, even if Florida had a freaking force field around it, we took the dome from the Simpsons movie and put it over Florida.
00:35:11.000What are we going to, are we going to literally build a border with Georgia?
00:35:14.000And are we going to have an, you know, are we going to have ships guarding, you know, we're a peninsula, so we need, we have a coast guard, but like, there's a million things.
00:35:21.000Basically, your point is there's a million things that could go wrong and, and in essence, no citadel is perfectly defended.
00:35:27.000And that is, that is absolutely right.
00:35:30.000But I think to the extent that you can strengthen the places that things are working, That you should.
00:35:46.000Let me ask you first, are you a Sleepy Joe type character with zero cognitive performance struggling to muster focus and brainpower for basic things like running the United States of America?
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00:37:07.000When I was in California at the end, before I moved, and it was the height of COVID and the lockdowns, and I was having illegal parties at my house, and I had to have one of my guys that worked for me, I wanted to go to dinner one night.
00:37:18.000We usually had people come to our house.
00:37:19.000But one night, right before we left, I wanted to actually go to basically the only restaurant that I liked in LA before we left.
00:38:52.000And there's millions of people that live there that are good, decent people.
00:38:55.000But the state is going in that direction.
00:38:58.000Here, it's going in another direction.
00:39:00.000And I, at the ripe old age of 47 years old, would much rather be part of something that I can build and fight for than something I'm fighting against.
00:39:08.000So every day when I do my show, it's just like you.
00:39:10.000I'm fighting for the ideas that I believe in, and I'm fighting against all of the encroaching authoritarianism.
00:39:17.000But my day-to-day here, there's little things that I do.
00:39:53.000It's like a nice movie, but that's not exactly how things work in real life.
00:39:58.000I think things work locally, basically, which is what you said earlier.
00:40:02.000Sometimes I feel like we've engaged in so much theatre and hysteria.
00:40:05.000The fact is that Trump was in office for four years and I know that the people that decry Donald Trump will amplify his failings in office, whether that's around Covid or the vaccine or warp speed or more likely cultural declarations with which they disagree.
00:40:22.000And his supporters will say he did this and this was a significant and important move.
00:40:28.000The thing I suppose I'm asking is if we are for real in our sincere concern about the way that the world is going, even given that between you and I there are differences, we have this shared sense of, hold on, there is a movement towards centralised authority that might even override a state's ability to create its own sort of oasis.
00:40:53.000It's also funny because I don't even know what our differences are, really, but I just know it's irrelevant, whatever they are, in the grand scheme of things, because we're focused on the right thing.
00:41:01.000That's right, because actually, if you continue to focus on them, I don't, like, you know, I have got, like, because I don't want to avoid them, like, with all sorts of people that have come on the show, I think, like, all right, well, let's focus on differences so it's not like I'm sort of scared of talking about them.
00:41:11.000But I actually don't know that there's an incredible benefit.
00:41:14.000Sometimes, I mean, I've had a conversation with Jordan Peterson around gender, and I've I feel like, you know, can't we be more compassionate, though, Jordan, about Ellen Page?
00:41:23.000I've done that with him publicly and privately, and it's interesting, his take, yeah.
00:41:28.000Yeah, and who knows what the value of those kind of conversations are, but what I do think is important is actually that we are able to achieve, as our mutual friend Jimmy Dore would say, is they like nothing more than to find us At one another's throats.
00:41:46.000What I feel like we have to do is go, okay, we don't agree about that, we don't agree about this, we don't agree about who gives a shit.
00:41:51.000Then we both actually agree that there's a significant centralized authority that is looking for insidious ways to impose regulation and will continue to either synthesize or actually impose or, you know, best case scenario, exploit Organic crisis to impose fervor authority.
00:42:09.000I wonder if you feel that, do you feel that you do enough, not in this conversation, you certainly have, but generally speaking, to find affinity, not just like when it comes to your everyday living, although God, what does it matter if we're talking about all these grand theories of compassion if when we're out in the street we're asked to passers-by, what's it worth?
00:42:27.000Do you feel that you do enough in your shows and or do you think it's a significant contribution to look for points of alliance even in areas where you have significant disagreement?
00:42:37.000I once spoke to Shapiro years ago and I said would you stand on a platform with like Black Lives Matter people and sort of trans activists if it was ultimately about creating systems of total decentralized control so you could live like totally orthodox and be left alone and I was bothering you about the violin or Whatever it is that you want to do.
00:43:02.000It's only when we start to look for the imposition of all the... I recognise there are points, because even though I think that people should leave me alone if I'm driving my kids without a seatbelt, if that's what I choose to do, there are points where you'd think that child welfare warrants some kind of intervention.
00:43:21.000Yeah, I wonder if you feel like that isn't the biggest thing we could do, look for points of consensus and agreement.
00:43:28.000Yes, and I'm really trying to do that lately.
00:43:31.000So you referenced a little while ago that there's been some like sort of infighting on the right that we've seen some of this and people know about it between say Ben and Tucker or whatever with Candace and everything else.
00:43:41.000I have tried very, very hard and I'm sure imperfectly And I know all these people.
00:43:53.000You then become sort of friendly with these people, so then to confront some of their ideas publicly, you kind of feel bad, or you don't want to do it, or you really don't want to misconstrue what they're saying, or certainly attack their motives, which I really try not to do.
00:44:06.000But I can tell you in the last couple months where I've seen some of this stuff happening on the right, I have really tried to rise above it, and I'm not attacking anybody.
00:44:36.000I know that about her personally and her public.
00:44:40.000What I think is interesting about her is she's a current member, serving member of the military, who got into the military because of 9-11.
00:44:46.000Now let's put aside what anyone thinks America did right or wrong after 9-11 or anything else, but something happened to her when America got attacked that said, I want to help my country, right?
00:45:50.000Another example of this would be another guy that that you know well, Bill Maher, and that when you were on last time was like one of the best media hits of the last 10 years.
00:45:59.000But Bill Maher is waking up to all of what's wrong with the left.
00:46:15.000Now, he may not get there voting-wise.
00:46:17.000Maybe he's going to end up voting for Biden.
00:46:19.000And I always say we have to just kind of punt that.
00:46:22.000But if you take all of these people that are waking up, I would much rather right now show them that on the right side of things, look, You are in my house with my husband and my children.
00:46:32.000I am not a conventional conservative by any nature.
00:46:35.000The labels are all ridiculous and everything else.
00:46:38.000But I do know that if voting means anything, there is one side I have to vote for to protect my life, to protect what I think is good about this country and everything else.
00:46:46.000So what I'm working really hard to do right now is show people on the right That as these people come, let's be gracious.
00:46:54.000People were gracious when I came along.
00:46:56.000When I came along and started just talking to Ben Shapiro, who I thought was this right-wing maniac, and talking to Glenn Beck, and talking to Dennis Prager, what I found was they were kind, and decent, and welcoming, and I think you've had a very similar experience with all of those guys, and many other people.
00:47:12.000And I think if we hold on to that, then the little fighting about this or that, and the neocons did this and this happened, It's just not important.
00:47:21.000Like, it sounds cliche, but we literally have a country to save.
00:47:24.000And if we cannot save it, we're all screwed.
00:47:27.000So that's what I'm really focusing on more than anything else.
00:47:29.000So I try not to get involved in the little fights.
00:47:31.000And every time, my guys know, like every time a story pops where I'm like, there's someone who's waking up, I want to talk to that person.
00:47:39.000Not because they're going to end up exactly believing the things that I believe, but I'm like, oh, you're on your journey?
00:48:01.000And I actually feel that there is the significance of aggregating centralized power at a corporate global level is so significant that there almost can't be a difference between, like, you know, take it all the way left and all the way right.
00:48:15.000This alliance must take place, this respect for personal and communal autonomy has to be so sincere, the ability to respect other
00:48:26.000people's free speech, other people's sovereignty has to be, that must be our creed.
00:48:30.000That must be our creed because with that, then you're free to enjoy people as human
00:48:34.000beings and that other stuff, that opining, starts to melt away and just doesn't define
00:49:09.000Most people will never, most people either don't end up happy or they never get all the way there or whatever it is, right?
00:49:15.000But you could pursue it here in America.
00:49:17.000And the reason that that is so attractive is because most countries for the history of the world, they're based around an ethnicity to begin, right?
00:49:24.000So Spain is mostly for Spanish people.
00:49:26.000Now, of course they have immigrants, they have different people there.