Stay Free - Russel Brand - Trump Trial Fallout: So THIS Is What’s Next For America - with Dave Rubin #377

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00:01:06.000 Hello there you awakening wonders.

00:01:17.000 Thanks for joining me for a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:01:21.000 As you can plainly see, I'm on the set of the Rubin Report.

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00:01:38.000 I'm going to be talking to Dave about American culture.

00:01:40.000 Of course, we're talking about the Trump verdict.

00:01:41.000 We're talking about how to heal the fractures that are appearing across the right and whether or not we can all unify in our opposition towards globalist centralised authority and the significance of the Trump trial in that dynamic.

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00:02:13.000 But without further ado, a conversation that I think you're going to very much enjoy with Dave Rubin.

00:02:17.000 If my shirt gets a little too undone, you'll understand why that might have been if you've watched Dave's content before.

00:02:24.000 Dave, we appear to be at a pivotal moment of transition where our trust in institutions of authority is falling apart.

00:02:34.000 We need only look at what appears to be a seismic event, the verdict in the Trump trial, 34 convictions.

00:02:44.000 Do you think it's possible or even likely that Trump will be jailed?

00:02:49.000 And do you think this will become a catalytic I think it's almost impossible that he won't be, in a weird way.

00:02:54.000 Because think about it, so he gets 34.

00:02:55.000 They got him on 34 of 34.

00:02:56.000 America. Well, I now do think it's likely he will be there.

00:03:00.000 I think it's almost impossible that he won't be in a weird way because think

00:03:04.000 about it so he gets 34 they got him on 34 of 34 let's put aside whether any of it

00:03:09.000 was legit which I largely don't think it was whether it was fixed because the

00:03:13.000 DA was a Soros DA and that they basically set up the entire system to get

00:03:18.000 this guy and it's on charges that no one else has been brought against and

00:03:22.000 and all the rest I But put all of that aside, 34 of 34 charges, right, they

00:03:27.000 hit him with.

00:03:28.000 And now the judge has till July 11th.

00:03:30.000 And it's just up to the judge.

00:03:32.000 The judge is the one that sets the sentencing.

00:03:34.000 I did some checking on this because I was like, I think I know that.

00:03:37.000 But I asked a couple of my friends who are legal scholars.

00:03:39.000 It is simply up to the judge right now.

00:03:41.000 So that one man can basically decide what to do.

00:03:44.000 So he could basically say to Trump, OK, you know what?

00:03:47.000 It was a while ago.

00:03:48.000 You're running for president.

00:03:50.000 It doesn't seem good for the country if we throw you in jail.

00:03:53.000 So we'll just fine you or you can't do business in New York anymore or something like that.

00:03:58.000 But I don't think he's going that route.

00:04:00.000 They just presided over this thing for six weeks, eight weeks.

00:04:04.000 And I think he's going to look at it and now think that he's the hero in the story.

00:04:08.000 And how do we end Trump?

00:04:09.000 We end Trump by putting him in jail.

00:04:11.000 Even if you only put him in jail for two months.

00:04:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:13.000 Like you just do something that furthers the thing.

00:04:17.000 Like for all the stuff that you and I talk about that we're trying to Make the world a little bit better or make people understand the stuff a little bit to the extent that we can.

00:04:24.000 It's like the stuff pretty much gets worse all the time, right?

00:04:28.000 Like not everywhere.

00:04:30.000 In some places it doesn't.

00:04:31.000 You said to me right before we started that you were thinking about moving to Florida.

00:04:34.000 It's like it's working here on a day-to-day basis.

00:04:36.000 That's why everyone that comes into my studio here, they say the same exact thing.

00:04:40.000 I'm thinking about moving to Florida.

00:04:42.000 The thing can work.

00:04:44.000 But largely the system has just been getting worse and worse and worse.

00:04:50.000 And I think at this point, because there's been, maybe you can think of one, I can't think of one, one moment in the last couple of years as it's pertained to all the big stories, where suddenly things got a lot better.

00:05:01.000 Where we didn't just continue on that path of, oh, everyone's so crazy, right?

00:05:01.000 You know what I mean?

00:05:06.000 Everyone every day.

00:05:06.000 It's so crazy.

00:05:07.000 How's the news?

00:05:07.000 It's so crazy.

00:05:08.000 It's nuts.

00:05:09.000 And then it's like, two weeks later, it's nuttier.

00:05:11.000 It's never like, oh, it did sort of get back to normalcy.

00:05:14.000 We stopped pretending that boys are girls or whatever the other things are.

00:05:18.000 Now, there are pockets where that is happening properly.

00:05:21.000 Again, this place where we kicked a lot of the woke stuff out of schools and everything else.

00:05:25.000 But at a national or even I don't know what that does to the political part of all of this.

00:05:32.000 of it is that it'll get worse and worse.

00:05:34.000 So it seems to me that the story of Trump--

00:05:37.000 like you've been talking about your own story and your own journey and all that--

00:05:41.000 that the story he's on is now he is going to end up in jail.

00:05:44.000 I don't know what that does to the political part of all of this.

00:05:48.000 I sense it's going to rightfully enrage a whole bunch of people.

00:05:51.000 And I don't know where that puts us as a country.

00:05:53.000 And as you said before, half the people believe one thing.

00:05:56.000 Half the people believe another thing.

00:05:57.000 How do we arbitrage those situations?

00:05:59.000 But I see almost no way around it.

00:06:01.000 And the other part, I don't know if you know this, but when they appeal this thing, it gets appealed to the Supreme Court of New York, obviously not to the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:06:09.000 The Supreme Court of New York has five black female judges. 0.88

00:06:14.000 Now, I don't judge anyone based on the color of their skin or on their gender.

00:06:19.000 However, it is virtually, someone ran the numbers on this and one of my guys can correct me, it's virtually impossible statistically to have a court makeup of five black women. 1.00

00:06:29.000 You know what I mean?

00:06:30.000 So, so DEI and diversity did get these women, at least some of them, the job. 0.61

00:06:34.000 So then you have to think, did they all start, did they all kind of think the same thing?

00:06:38.000 And do they think judicially the same thing?

00:06:40.000 And do they all kind of think the same thing about Trump?

00:06:43.000 And what a horrible thing to have to think about that just because of someone's skin color and gender that... But so you can basically assume that if it when it gets to appeal, because they're obviously going to appeal it, the appeal will be denied.

00:06:54.000 And then you can basically assume that the judge is going to throw him in jail.

00:07:01.000 And by the way, I hope I'm wrong about all of that.

00:07:02.000 I hope someone will watch this in two months and be like, ah, Rubin really screwed that one up.

00:07:07.000 Visibly, the Supreme Court point, I suppose the argument that has been made out of progressivism is if there's five white men in their 60s that are presumably heterosexual, that you could make a comparable argument, although demographically it's different because of the makeup of the country.

00:07:26.000 Aside from that small point, I feel like we're in a kind of Tolkien-esque moment, where things have become mythically significant, and I don't see how this can lead to anything other than further despair.

00:07:44.000 And I recognise that you made a good point, even though you're aware of all of the various rationalist intellectuals that have come out.

00:07:53.000 It can be ridiculous.

00:07:54.000 The Second World War was a disaster and more people than ever before have been pulled out of poverty.

00:07:59.000 There are a lot of people who can create statistics that make you feel like, oh actually, no, everything's great.

00:08:05.000 It doesn't feel like that.

00:08:06.000 It does feel that we're in a period where, and one of the trends I'm observing is that significant events appear to be geared towards legitimising more measures of authority.

00:08:19.000 This, to me, seems like, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw more martial law, more demands for lockdown.

00:08:27.000 How do you feel about that as an idea?

00:08:29.000 Oh, I think you're completely right.

00:08:31.000 Look what you and I, just telling people what we think.

00:08:34.000 And we have various points of agreement and disagreement, I think, over the years, at least from the way I've known you, or for the years that I've known you.

00:08:40.000 I think we've come together on a lot of things, but I'm sure we're not together on everything.

00:08:43.000 And by the way, as you know, that is completely irrelevant for a friendship and everything else.

00:08:47.000 But if you think about the things that you've been censored for, why did we both end up working

00:08:53.000 with Rumble? I mean, why did I create locals that ultimately merged with Rumble? Why did you,

00:08:57.000 when you started talking about this stuff more and being more outwardly, being more outward about

00:09:02.000 your political views, why did you go towards Rumble? It was because of free speech, right?

00:09:06.000 Was it because you were saying anything crazy?

00:09:08.000 Were you saying anything racist or bigoted or anything else?

00:09:11.000 Why did you just spend a year of your life being attacked by a system?

00:09:16.000 Why did the system look at you and be like, I've got to attack him?

00:09:19.000 Well, it was because you were saying true things, right?

00:09:21.000 I mean, it's not much more complex than that.

00:09:26.000 To whatever extent that I've been saying true things, it's the same story, and it's obviously not just us.

00:09:31.000 I mean, the picture that you pointed out that we keep from the New York Times right there, that's a front page Sunday New York Times where they called me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman and Ben Shapiro and a couple other people, Thomas Sowell, the heads of the alt-right.

00:09:44.000 So I love that right there, because it shows what fabricated nonsense they've been throwing at us forever.

00:09:50.000 But your question was about, does this all lead to more authoritarian systems?

00:09:54.000 And of course the answer is yes.

00:09:57.000 I mean, Canadian truckers, ask them about what happened to them.

00:10:01.000 You know, all they did was say, hey, can we go to work?

00:10:05.000 Can we put some food on our family's table?

00:10:07.000 And Justin Trudeau literally shut down bank accounts.

00:10:10.000 So, you know, froze bank accounts for these people and then they didn't have anything.

00:10:14.000 I mean, and that's just a test.

00:10:17.000 To me, what it seems like we're going through is just a series of tests.

00:10:21.000 Can we silence a certain set of people online?

00:10:23.000 And yeah, if you're not as popular as Russell Brand, can they delete your account and no one will ever hear of you again because you have no other means to get the word out there?

00:10:30.000 Of course they can do that.

00:10:31.000 So what can we do with a guy like Russell Brand?

00:10:32.000 Well, with Russell Brand, maybe we'll demonetize his YouTube channel.

00:10:36.000 That might curb him in a certain way because then he goes, well, I have to put food on the table.

00:10:40.000 Sure, I've got a lot, but you know, I'm still allowed to make a living doing what I do.

00:10:44.000 So I won't talk about those topics that they don't want us to.

00:10:48.000 That was again, largely why I started Locals and Rumble in the first place.

00:10:50.000 I just, I could just see that coming down the road.

00:10:54.000 You know, I started my YouTube channel in, I think, 2013.

00:10:57.000 So I've been in the game long enough to see where it was all happening.

00:11:01.000 You could talk about this and nobody would see your videos.

00:11:04.000 You talk about that and then a lot of people see your videos.

00:11:06.000 And then you start, you know, it's a little bit like, uh, I don't know, it's like Tom Cruise in Minority Report.

00:11:11.000 You start seeing the map in front of you.

00:11:13.000 And so that's what led me here to create all this and everything else and then be connected with people like you.

00:11:20.000 But if you look at freezing of bank accounts, if you look at what we now know through Twitter files is government and big tech collusion to silence people, one of my tweets was on the list.

00:11:30.000 I mean, Congressman Jim Jordan literally went They had a congressional hearing talking about who they've censored and I was on there.

00:11:37.000 So the government worked with big tech to censor me.

00:11:41.000 You don't get anything.

00:11:42.000 You know that you don't get, you don't get a 50 bucks.

00:11:44.000 You don't get a letter.

00:11:44.000 You get, Jim Jordan said that to me at the Capitol.

00:11:47.000 He said, we don't, you don't get any, nobody apologizes.

00:11:49.000 You don't get a handshake from the janitor.

00:11:51.000 You get nothing.

00:11:52.000 But the point is in terms of control, well, if they can control your bank account, which is also why they're trying to get us more towards a central bank currency, digital currency, and they can control what you say.

00:12:03.000 And they can basically be looking at your phone.

00:12:06.000 And again, some of this is conspiratorial in that we don't know exactly what they're doing.

00:12:09.000 Are they looking at your phone every day?

00:12:11.000 Are they listening to every one of your phone calls?

00:12:13.000 I don't know.

00:12:14.000 And who's they?

00:12:15.000 And all of that stuff.

00:12:18.000 But any thinking person knows that we, and this goes to what we were talking about before, that tension between old world and new world, we've been given all these unbelievably powerful tools.

00:12:27.000 We have the freaking world in our pocket.

00:12:29.000 Everyone is walking around with that.

00:12:31.000 Everyone that you know is walking around with that phone in their pocket and can get access to everything good and bad like that.

00:12:37.000 That is an unbelievable power.

00:12:39.000 But with, you know, if I could quote Uncle Ben from Spider-Man, you know, with great power comes great responsibility.

00:12:45.000 And I think the powers that be I've not been very responsible in how they deal with it.

00:12:50.000 So I see more authoritarianism on the rise.

00:12:53.000 But David beat Goliath.

00:12:54.000 That's the last thing I'll say on it.

00:12:56.000 David beat Goliath.

00:12:57.000 So we will win.

00:12:58.000 You know, the human spirit always wins.

00:13:00.000 That's the point.

00:13:01.000 The little guy can always beat the big guy.

00:13:02.000 I fundamentally believe that.

00:13:04.000 And for you, as you're having your, that's an Old Testament story, but you know, as you're having your journey, like that's fundamentally true.

00:13:11.000 And if I didn't believe that, I don't know that I could do this.

00:13:14.000 Because then it's like, can you beat Google?

00:13:16.000 You could beat Google?

00:13:16.000 What the hell are you talking about?

00:13:18.000 It's crazy. 0.95

00:13:19.000 In my Read the Bible in a Year daily analysis, it said, you know, with the David and Goliath story, sometimes you feel like it's so big, how can I win?

00:13:31.000 But it must become, it's so big, how can I miss?

00:13:35.000 In the end, you have to make that transition.

00:13:37.000 I was thinking about... The Death Star had one little hole, and Luke figured it out.

00:13:42.000 They've got to stop building them. 1.00

00:13:43.000 Stupid, stupid. 1.00

00:13:45.000 So I was wondering, like when you talked about the Canadian truckers, another one of the movements that appears to be defining the tension that exists on a global level is the agricultural and farming movement. 1.00

00:13:57.000 It's one of the ways that I am able to track, it seems, without too much study, that something is happening.

00:14:04.000 It appears that there's an attempt at a global level to control food. These ideas of control and citizen

00:14:10.000 management, you've already mentioned CBDC, you've mentioned surveillance, we've not yet touched

00:14:15.000 upon the extraordinary number of laws that are being passed across the world that grant more

00:14:22.000 ability to censor and control.

00:14:24.000 I was pleased to see that the WHO treaty was defeated, I think in some part due to the ongoing

00:14:31.000 opposition that it received in spaces like this one. But embedded within it was essentially the

00:14:36.000 ability to oppose all the things that they may have regarded as having gone wrong during the

00:14:41.000 pandemic.

00:14:42.000 An increased ability to censor, the ability to impose lockdowns, the ability to take domestic taxation and reroute it to the WHO, excuse me.

00:14:54.000 And I wonder how you feel, Dave, about just the general sense that National sovereignty is being surpassed, that power is migrating upwards, that censorship appears to be such an important component of it.

00:15:09.000 And I wonder, you've said just then that from a spiritual and indeed biblical perspective you feel optimistic.

00:15:16.000 How do you imagine these movements might coalesce?

00:15:20.000 How are they to coalesce when there is so much cultural division?

00:15:24.000 That even when in recent months, in particular since the Middle Eastern conflict flared up again, There's been division in spaces where there was starting to be consensus.

00:15:36.000 How are we going to truly manage to have consensus among people that don't agree on everything?

00:15:43.000 How can we achieve that when there seem to be so many minds going off throughout the culture?

00:15:49.000 I mean it's basically like the unanswerable question to some extent because this is you're basically like what's the meaning of life in some way because it's getting groups of people individuals first and then groups of people to be like oh there's something good here that we can maybe share and build together and do something Beyond all of us?

00:16:08.000 It's the ultimate question, right?

00:16:09.000 So, putting aside that it's an impossible question, I can give you like some granular stuff, I suppose.

00:16:17.000 I mean, first off, I think one good thing that we're seeing right now, we're seeing this largely in Europe, is that Europeans, because of the craziness of the way immigration was done over the last decade or so, and just letting all of these people in, And not understanding that you're going to have to give these people certain things and that the people who are job earners and everything might feel that their taxes are suddenly not being used for them, but for other people. 0.97

00:16:40.000 There's all sorts of strife in Europe.

00:16:42.000 I mean, you definitely have it in the UK, but it's obviously it's in Belgium, it's in Italy now, it's in Spain, it's everywhere.

00:16:48.000 I think that the reason I describe that as something good is that people are realizing that Spain exists for a reason.

00:16:55.000 Spaniards are realizing that. 0.72

00:16:56.000 The UK exists for a reason.

00:16:59.000 Ireland exists for a reason.

00:17:00.000 All of these countries exist for a reason.

00:17:02.000 There's a reason for the nation-state.

00:17:04.000 The United States exists for a reason.

00:17:05.000 We are not Canada.

00:17:07.000 We share a border with Canada and we share a lot of values with Canada.

00:17:10.000 If you're an American, you have laws that are applicable to you, and you hopefully have a commonality enough with those laws that you're not here to burn it down.

00:17:10.000 But we're not.

00:17:19.000 I think what we now have are an awful lot of people in an awful lot of countries that don't seem to like the countries they're in.

00:17:25.000 But the counter to that Is that people are realizing, oh, if you live in the West, if you live in any of the countries that I just named, most of Western Europe and America and Canada, even Mexico, I'd say, like you live in a pretty great place that is counter to the way humans have lived for a long, long time.

00:17:41.000 And I think that the more people realize that, like here, for an American perspective, we've been watching about seven or 10 million illegals come in in three years.

00:17:51.000 Now, it doesn't matter, put aside skin color, put aside religion or anything else, any system, you can't just have an unlimited flood of people come into it, an unlimited flood.

00:18:01.000 You just have no idea if 1% of these people are bad or what it's going to do to the system, right?

00:18:06.000 But we had it happening, finally, because of online shows, people started waking up to it, and now it's a national topic.

00:18:13.000 And suddenly people are talking about it again and saying, oh, we should have sovereign borders.

00:18:18.000 So that's a long, meandering way of saying that all of the stuff that sounds insane, that we're dealing with all the time, that boys can magically turn into girls, or that schools should be allowed to call children by different names without telling the parents, all this stuff that no one in their right mind thinks is right, or that we should judge people by the color of their skin, because that's the way the entire DEI system works.

00:18:39.000 Enough people, I think, now are getting to the point where they're ready to do something about it.

00:18:46.000 Will they do something about it?

00:18:47.000 I don't know.

00:18:48.000 Will it be national?

00:18:49.000 Will it be worldwide?

00:18:50.000 I don't know.

00:18:51.000 And the challenges, by the way, will be very different in every country.

00:18:54.000 One of the beautiful things about America is that we have integrated everybody way better, even than the UK.

00:19:00.000 We have integrated everybody from every part of the world to put aside their ancient hatreds and be part of the melting pot here.

00:19:07.000 It's fraying a little bit right now.

00:19:09.000 You can feel it.

00:19:09.000 It really is.

00:19:10.000 But I do believe that if we could just sell freedom properly, Which we used to do.

00:19:16.000 America in the 80s sold freedom.

00:19:18.000 Doesn't mean we did everything perfectly.

00:19:19.000 But Reagan knew how to sell the idea of freedom.

00:19:22.000 That's the thing that unites all of us.

00:19:24.000 So, it's a long way of saying there's a lot of bad stuff happening, but the bad stuff leads to the wake-up and maybe we're on our way.

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00:20:26.000 The aspect of wokeism and progressivism that I like is this.

00:20:30.000 Compassion.

00:20:33.000 Sure.

00:20:33.000 Let's see how many we can do together.

00:20:35.000 I'll go with you on compassion.

00:20:35.000 I really like compassion.

00:20:36.000 Not as the number one thing though, right?

00:20:39.000 At the apex of your hierarchy, right?

00:20:41.000 No, I'm just saying the things that like, if I'm looking at an ideology and saying, what is it that I agree with?

00:20:45.000 I agree with being compassionate.

00:20:47.000 I agree with being, and I agree with interrogating and investigating unconscious biases and And investigating and interrogating institutions in order that you might find assumptions there that are not ever correctly being addressed.

00:21:02.000 Now I think that that could be done ad infinitum to the point of a massive unraveling and what you unravel you may not be able to put back together again and you may not have a better idea to replace it.

00:21:13.000 Right, it's like the house is burning down and you're staring at the dust bunny in the corner focused on that.

00:21:17.000 It's like, guys, Yeah, potentially you could become a little drawn into the specificity of something.

00:21:26.000 One of the things I think is interesting here is that When people present arguments around immigration, the assumption always was, for me, that coming from a country like Britain, with an imperial colonial past, as well as the many wonderful things Britain has done, you know.

00:21:45.000 Don't forget the wonderful things, yeah.

00:21:46.000 The tea, oh no, that was India. 0.90

00:21:48.000 The Beatles, we made that while the rock and roll came from you lot.

00:21:52.000 Come on, come on, don't go too far down that road, because that road will not lead you anywhere, you know what I mean?

00:21:58.000 What I feel like is that the assumption was that the reason for immigration... People are honest about certain economic requirements and a requirement for people to be tasked with certain social roles.

00:22:11.000 But there was always this sense, particularly in modern arguments around immigration, that it's undergirded by compassion, that we have a duty and an obligation.

00:22:18.000 But now, knowing what I've come to understand in the post-pandemic era, like where, for example, the reason for the lockdowns and the medications and the social controls was similarly supposed to be compassion and the sanctity of life, and I don't buy those arguments from the establishment anymore.

00:22:34.000 So now I don't believe that those arguments are being deployed anywhere.

00:22:38.000 I always feel that there is a secondary motivation that is being concealed.

00:22:42.000 So if people are saying that the reason for immigration is either economic, we need the labour, or a duty that America or Western countries have because of their colonial or imperial past, if that is not the reason, do you ever entertain some of the, for example, displacement theory that is about providing alternative labour, or I've even heard the ideas that seem Pretty extraordinary that fight in age males are being imported in large numbers and that there could be some almost insurrectionist event.

00:23:13.000 And also if you start there, these are the kind of things that will get you dubbed or right.

00:23:17.000 These are the kind of things that will get you a strike.

00:23:20.000 These are the kind of things that are where you feel adjacent to racism,

00:23:25.000 although of course you wouldn't necessarily be, there would be a racial dynamic necessarily to those

00:23:29.000 categories.

00:23:29.000 So how do you assess that and what do you, you know, if immigration isn't because of economic reasons

00:23:34.000 or, you know, if the economic reasons have flooded the labour market?

00:23:37.000 Well, I think very simply, if anyone in their right mind thinks what's going on on our border right now

00:23:42.000 where we just have floods of people, floods of people coming through.

00:23:46.000 If you think that has something to do with the compassion of the Democrats to make our workforce healthier, that's just like a psychotic notion.

00:23:55.000 It's interesting to me that you said that the COVID portion of compassion sort of allowed you to see the fakery around how they use compassion on other issues too.

00:24:05.000 Look, when it comes to the gender stuff, they do What Jordan calls the butchering, I mean genital mutilation of young girls, tell them that they're boys under the guise of compassion.

00:24:17.000 That doesn't seem very compassionate to me.

00:24:19.000 What would be compassionate is if you had a 12 year old who was, you know, confused or had issues around their gender identity, what would be compassionate would be to give them the proper psychological help or figure out what's going on at home and everything else and then I think you're probably aware I'm at on this.

00:24:33.000 As an adult, if they wished to do something with their body and be called a certain way, they could.

00:24:38.000 And by the way, if they then, as an adult, treated me with respect, I would treat them with respect and all of the rest of it.

00:24:43.000 But as it pertains to immigration, I don't see how anyone could think that this is anything other than intentional, what's going on here.

00:24:51.000 Because again, I said a few minutes ago that For all of you in Europe that could go back 10 years.

00:24:56.000 I think most people in the UK, I mean Brexit proved this already, but I think it's even more significant now.

00:25:02.000 Most people in the UK would say we can't let in a million people.

00:25:05.000 It doesn't matter if we've done some things wrong and the British Empire existed and everything else.

00:25:09.000 Most people in Germany, Germany for sure. 0.88

00:25:12.000 I mean Angela Merkel even admitted it a couple years ago.

00:25:14.000 She let in about a million and a half people And then it destroyed their social services, they have a new strife on the streets, a racial tension, which Germany obviously has a history of that, which didn't go well.

00:25:25.000 When I hear Joe Biden or any of these people talk about immigration, it either feels very intentional, I mean Elon Musk has talked about this a bit, that you know, in essence, they're trying to bring in new voters.

00:25:35.000 And then, of course, the other piece, because they're realizing they're losing

00:25:38.000 control of the minorities now.

00:25:39.000 Black people tend, right now, at least as it stands right now, 0.99

00:25:43.000 are breaking a little more Republican.

00:25:44.000 Hispanics are against illegal immigration, because many Hispanics came here legally.

00:25:49.000 And then they don't want just anyone to be allowed in.

00:25:53.000 They understand that.

00:25:53.000 I mean, we're here in Miami.

00:25:54.000 A lot of Cubans, a lot of Venezuelans, a lot of people from Latin America here, many of whom I'm friends with, and they're the most Republican you can possibly imagine.

00:26:03.000 They may not look like it on paper, right?

00:26:05.000 Because the Republican is supposed to be the white, you know, rich guy, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:08.000 But you come down here and you want to meet the people that love freedom more than you've ever seen in your life.

00:26:12.000 Your head's going to explode.

00:26:13.000 Like, those are the people you want to meet.

00:26:15.000 As for the other part that you said that they're bringing in a lot of fighting age, I mean, look, you only have to open your eyes.

00:26:22.000 I don't think that's a crazy conspiracy theory.

00:26:24.000 You watch these videos of people coming through.

00:26:27.000 Why is it in crazy percentages, seemingly 25-year-old to 40-year-old men?

00:26:34.000 Where are the women? 0.89

00:26:35.000 Where is my great grandparents who came through Ellis Island from Eastern Europe with one bag and nothing else?

00:26:42.000 And it was, you know, a woman and and a man and a child, we rarely see any of that.

00:26:49.000 So you only have to look at it, really, to think something bizarre is going on.

00:26:54.000 There's a lot of reasons to think that China and Russia are just trying to flood our borders.

00:26:58.000 And we'll have all sorts of domestic strife. 1.00

00:27:00.000 And then we won't have our eye on the ball when it comes to, say, China invading Taiwan or whatever

00:27:05.000 Russia is doing in Ukraine.

00:27:06.000 There's just sort of a million things happening at once.

00:27:09.000 But to me, the immigration thing, I'll put it this way.

00:27:14.000 Andrew Breitbart used to say that politics is downstream from culture.

00:27:17.000 I would say everything is downstream from immigration.

00:27:21.000 Because if you don't just have a policy, have a policy.

00:27:24.000 We can debate what the policy is, right?

00:27:27.000 We can let in 100,000 people a year.

00:27:27.000 I don't know.

00:27:30.000 Here are the vetting processes.

00:27:31.000 We want to be able to reunite families.

00:27:33.000 You can come if you have a job promised to you or something else.

00:27:36.000 But it's not compassion to let in two million people who have no connection here, don't speak the language, and then just put them on the dole, which the Democrats have largely done.

00:27:46.000 And then literally in New York City, you have the Roosevelt Hotel, which

00:27:49.000 was one of the most iconic hotels of New York, is now a sanctuary.

00:27:54.000 It's an illegal immigrant center, basically.

00:27:56.000 It's a migrant center right now.

00:27:59.000 They literally have housekeeping.

00:28:00.000 Can you believe that?

00:28:01.000 They have housekeeping.

00:28:02.000 So they have legal immigrants who now are doing housekeeping for illegals that are there. 0.99

00:28:07.000 Is that compassionate to those people?

00:28:08.000 Is that compassionate to the average person who lives in New York City who's now paying for it?

00:28:13.000 So the compassion argument, the left has really done that really well.

00:28:17.000 I think it's why most people when they're young are lefties.

00:28:19.000 It makes you feel good to think you can help everybody and that you come from a place that did bad things.

00:28:26.000 There's this unearned guilt and you take all of those things together.

00:28:30.000 And you end up with something very dangerous, which again, I'm glad people are kind of waking up to right now.

00:28:35.000 It seems like what we're talking around is significant decline and decay.

00:28:41.000 The verdict around Trump, by your reckoning likely incarceration of Trump, could be a cultural and social tipping point.

00:28:51.000 Around the world there are numerous wars that don't seem like they're going to get any better any time soon.

00:28:56.000 There's a sense that this country is being, by your appraisal Dave, Worse, because of civilian management or population control or lack of population control.

00:29:07.000 This in conjunction with new measures and legislation to at least create the ability to impose control.

00:29:14.000 There's a point where this changes from me for being something I do for a living and talk about to something that I've become sort of like scared of.

00:29:22.000 And like, yeah, I'm thinking about coming into... Yeah, you said to me, I'm thinking about moving to Florida.

00:29:27.000 So you already told me your... I know your story.

00:29:29.000 Yeah.

00:29:29.000 But that was, you whittled it into one sentence to me, because everyone that is on the journey that you and I are on, sort of politically or culturally, says the same thing when they come here.

00:29:38.000 I should be living in Florida, or I'm moving to Florida.

00:29:40.000 They cannot believe it, that it is being done right here.

00:29:44.000 You can protest in Florida.

00:29:45.000 You can't close roads.

00:29:47.000 You can go to stores and shop, but you can't steal $800 worth of merchandise.

00:29:53.000 You know, the other thing is we're a largely armed society here in Florida.

00:29:56.000 There are several guns in this house.

00:29:58.000 I'm sure my neighbors have guns. 0.99

00:30:00.000 It kind of keeps us all like, all right, let's not fuck with each other. 0.96

00:30:03.000 There, there is a, because it's about individual responsibility. 0.94

00:30:07.000 First, there was a great video, maybe you saw it a couple of weeks ago.

00:30:09.000 There was a sheriff in Florida somewhere where a guy, I think it was in Tampa, a guy broke into somebody's house and, and pulled the, the homeowner pulled the gun on him and then they called the police and they got him out.

00:30:22.000 Nobody got shot.

00:30:23.000 The police chief then gave a speech, gave a press conference, where he said, we're thankful that this guy pulled his gun out because it makes our job easier.

00:30:31.000 That's how a society should function.

00:30:33.000 You can defend yourself.

00:30:34.000 You can defend your family.

00:30:35.000 And then we have a civil society that can help on the margins because not everyone can do everything.

00:30:40.000 And I believe in a police force.

00:30:42.000 I want to be wary of it, and I don't want it too encompassing and everything else.

00:30:46.000 But when you have a little bit of a mix of personal responsibility and good governance, And we have no income tax here, so you have a little bit more money.

00:30:54.000 And guess what?

00:30:55.000 You just drove here.

00:30:56.000 We still have roads here, right?

00:30:58.000 We still have roads in Florida.

00:30:59.000 They worked.

00:31:00.000 There were flat surfaces.

00:31:02.000 I did see a crocodile.

00:31:03.000 Okay, so you saw one.

00:31:05.000 It had been squashed.

00:31:06.000 You saw a banged-up gator, but that's pretty good.

00:31:08.000 That's not good!

00:31:09.000 But you know what you get in California?

00:31:11.000 It's basically a fentanyl-dead human.

00:31:14.000 The point is, if you allow people to keep a little bit more of what's theirs, if you put a little less regulation.

00:31:20.000 So right now we have so many people moving to Florida, right?

00:31:23.000 So one of the things that's happening is we have a housing issue because they can't build housing fast enough, basically.

00:31:28.000 So DeSantis cut a bunch of regulation around that.

00:31:31.000 Basically, all of the problems that we have here are problems of success.

00:31:34.000 But isn't that fun to be part of something where your problems are because of success and not because of, I don't know what I would say, something like intentional destruction of society?

00:31:44.000 In isolation, taking her in isolation is pretty encouraging stories.

00:31:46.000 And yeah, but when I'm thinking about moving to Florida, I think, is that going to be enough?

00:31:52.000 Because it feels to me like a significant encroachment on freedom that I've experienced on a personal level and that we've discussed.

00:31:58.000 Sure, we're still part of a banking system here.

00:32:00.000 Like there are ways around that too.

00:32:02.000 Yeah, and do you not actually consider, like, you know, man, you must be aware, because we work in the space, like, if you've watched people over the years, like David Icke and Alex Jones, who I figure and have always sort of thought of as kind of shamanic evangelists, that whilst, you know, they use evidence, they're operating on interesting planes, and they've both said things that I, you know, obviously disagree with, like everyone says things that I disagree with.

00:32:27.000 But one of the things that both of them have been saying for many, many years is that we are moving towards a centralised global authority, where crisis will be used to increasingly legitimise control.

00:32:38.000 And that does seem to be happening.

00:32:40.000 And if that is happening, and happening at the pace that it seems to have been in the last 10 years, and like you say, it's exponentially getting worse, then it's not going to be enough to say, oh, we live in Florida, they're giving us breaks around construction or tax breaks.

00:32:53.000 So it feels to me like we might be on the precipice of something terrifying and almost biblical.

00:32:59.000 And I don't know, man, I don't know sort of how you marry your job as a commentator with the brilliant success actually that you've achieved in this space, which I personally think is incredibly admirable, with the fact that actually some serious shit might be happening Yeah, well, it's sort of like, you're basically saying, how do we get up in the morning?

00:33:20.000 Like, how do any of us get up in the morning?

00:33:22.000 Look, even if Florida had a freaking force field around it, we took the dome from the Simpsons movie and put it over Florida.

00:33:27.000 You can't exist like that, right?

00:33:29.000 Again, there's a banking system that exists.

00:33:31.000 Borders are not perfect.

00:33:32.000 What are we going to, are we going to literally build a border with Georgia?

00:33:35.000 And are we going to have an, you know, are we going to have ships guarding, you know, we're a peninsula, so we need, we have a coast guard, but like, there's a million things.

00:33:42.000 Basically, your point is there's a million things that could go wrong.

00:33:45.000 And, and in essence, no citadel is perfectly defended.

00:33:48.000 And that is, that is absolutely right.

00:33:51.000 But I think to the extent that you can strengthen the places that things are working, Hey, this is exciting.

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00:35:25.000 Why choose, you know?

00:35:26.000 Okay, back to the content.

00:35:28.000 I'll put it this way.

00:35:29.000 When I was in California at the end, before I moved, and it was the height of COVID and the lockdowns, and I was having illegal parties at my house, and I had to have one of my guys that worked for me, I wanted to go to dinner one night.

00:35:39.000 We usually had people come to our house.

00:35:41.000 But one night right before we left, I wanted to actually go to basically the only restaurant that I liked in LA before we left.

00:35:46.000 It was Boa's Steakhouse on Sunset.

00:35:48.000 You were probably there back in your day.

00:35:49.000 Do you remember Boa's Steakhouse by chance?

00:35:51.000 It was just the right amount of Hollywood kind of glittery but not too awful and it was the kind of cool vibe there and I hadn't been in a couple years because of COVID and I was like let's just go it was the day before we were leaving when we were officially leaving and I had to have one of my guys make a fake vaccine passport for me and then I'm sitting at the restaurant and the vibe was dead and they didn't let people sit at the bar anymore and people had you know waiters had masks but you didn't have to have a mask All that bullshit.

00:36:18.000 And I realized that there were a couple tables of people looking at me and pointing at me. 0.98

00:36:22.000 And then I realized it wasn't, well, they knew who I was, but that's not like, oh my God, it was Dave Rubin like that.

00:36:27.000 It was Dave Rubin's not vaxxed.

00:36:29.000 What's he doing here?

00:36:30.000 Like in essence that they thought I was lying because I was in there with the passport.

00:36:34.000 So I had to go up.

00:36:34.000 I went up to literally three groups of people to be like, guys, don't worry about it.

00:36:38.000 It was a fake vaccine passport.

00:36:40.000 And I was like, what level of insanity is this is?

00:36:42.000 Think about for all the fame that you've had and all the people that have gawked at you at restaurants and everything else, if for some reason you felt that every now and again you'd have to go up to a table and explain your life to them.

00:36:51.000 And that's literally what I felt as I was leaving.

00:36:53.000 So the reason I'm telling you that story was I fought very hard, very, very hard.

00:36:57.000 I campaigned with Larry Elder to get rid of Newsom to like...

00:37:00.000 Whatever we could do to save California.

00:37:02.000 I believed it was worth saving.

00:37:04.000 California has made its choice.

00:37:05.000 It is going down that road.

00:37:07.000 It's sad because it's a huge state that would be, I think, like the 15th largest country in the world, something like that.

00:37:12.000 And it doesn't have to be that way.

00:37:13.000 And there's millions of people that live there that are good, decent people.

00:37:17.000 But the state is going in that direction.

00:37:19.000 Here, it's going in another direction.

00:37:21.000 And I, at the ripe old age of 47 years old, would much rather be part of something that I can build and fight for than something I'm fighting against.

00:37:30.000 So every day when I do my show, it's just like you.

00:37:32.000 I'm fighting for the ideas that I believe in, and I'm fighting against all of the encroaching authoritarianism.

00:37:38.000 But my day-to-day here, there's little things that I do.

00:37:43.000 I try to meet all my neighbors.

00:37:45.000 Like, if I was to I could probably do like a good four square blocks where I've met everybody.

00:37:50.000 I can't tell you I know all of their names, but I know most of their names.

00:37:54.000 And I think if you do that in the community that you live in, that actually it starts building some bonds and doing some things.

00:38:01.000 It's the only way we're gonna get out of any of this though.

00:38:04.000 It is not that we get Oh my god, Donald Trump actually, he busts out of jail, he's president, and then we've, you know, we've vanquished the globalists and everything else.

00:38:13.000 Like, it's a nice story, right?

00:38:15.000 It's like a nice movie, but that's not exactly how things work in real life.

00:38:19.000 I think things work locally, basically, which is what you said earlier.

00:38:23.000 Sometimes I feel like we've engaged in so much theatre and hysteria.

00:38:27.000 The fact is that Trump was in office for four years and I know that the people that decry Donald Trump will amplify his failings in office, whether that's around Covid or the vaccine or warp speed or more likely cultural declarations with which they disagree.

00:38:44.000 And his supporters will say he did this and this was a significant and important move.

00:38:49.000 The thing I suppose I'm asking is if we are for real in our sincere concern about the way that the world is going, even given that between you and I there are differences, we have this shared sense of, hold on, there is a movement towards centralised authority that might even override a state's ability to create its own sort of oasis.

00:39:11.000 Yeah, let's worry about that.

00:39:13.000 Not whatever the differences are.

00:39:15.000 It's also funny because I don't even know what our differences are really, but I just know it's irrelevant whatever they are in the grand scheme of things, because we're focused on the right thing.

00:39:22.000 That's right, because actually if you continue to focus on them, I don't like, you know, I have got like, because I don't want to avoid them, like with all sorts of people that have come on the show, I think like, all right, well, let's focus on the differences, so it's not like I'm so scared of talking about them.

00:39:33.000 But I actually don't know that there's an incredible benefit.

00:39:35.000 Sometimes, I mean, I've had conversation with Jordan Pearson around gender, and I feel like I've done that with him publicly and privately and it's interesting his take, yeah.

00:39:50.000 Yeah, and who knows what the value of those kind of conversations are, but what I do think is important is actually that we are able to achieve, as our mutual friend Jimmy Dore would say, is they like nothing more than to find us At one another's throats. 0.99

00:40:07.000 What I feel like we have to do is go, okay, we don't agree about that, we don't agree about this, we don't agree about who gives a shit.

00:40:13.000 we both actually agree that there's a significant centralised authority that is looking for insidious 0.93

00:40:18.000 ways to impose regulation and will continue to either synthesise or actually impose, or

00:40:24.000 you know, best case scenario, exploit organic crises to impose fervour authority. I wonder if

00:40:31.000 you feel that, do you feel that you do enough, not in this conversation, you certainly have,

00:40:36.000 but generally speaking, to find affinity, not just like when it comes to your everyday living,

00:40:41.000 although God, what does it matter if we're talking about all these grand theories of

00:40:44.000 compassion if when we're out in the street we're asked to pass us by, what's it worth?

00:40:48.000 Do you feel that you do enough in your shows, or do you think it's a significant contribution

00:40:53.000 to look for points of alliance, even in areas where you have significant disagreement?

00:40:58.000 I once spoke to Shapiro years ago and I said would you stand on a platform with like Black Lives Matter people and sort of trans activists if it was ultimately about creating systems of total decentralized control so you could live like totally orthodox and be left alone and I was bothering you about the violin or Whatever it is that you want to do.

00:41:20.000 And he said, yeah, I would do that.

00:41:22.000 And so would I actually.

00:41:24.000 It's only when we start to look for the imposition of all, you know, but there are, you know, I recognise there are points because even though I think that people should leave me alone if I'm driving my kids without a seatbelt, if that's what I choose to do, there are points where you'd think that child welfare warrants some kind of intervention.

00:41:42.000 So Yeah, I wonder if you feel like there isn't the biggest thing we could do, look for points of consensus and agreement.

00:41:49.000 Yes, and I'm really trying to do that lately.

00:41:53.000 So you referenced a little while ago that there's been some like sort of infighting on the right that we've seen some of this and people know about it between Say Ben and Tucker or whatever with Candace and everything else.

00:42:03.000 I have tried very very hard and I'm sure imperfectly and I'm you know I know all these people.

00:42:08.000 I was at Candace's wedding.

00:42:10.000 Ben and I kind of grew out of this thing together.

00:42:12.000 Tucker and I are friendly like and you know what it's like you then become sort of friendly with these people so then to confront some of their ideas publicly you kind of feel bad or you don't want to do it or you don't you really

00:42:22.000 don't want to misconstrue what they're saying or certainly attack their

00:42:25.000 motives which I really try not to do but I can tell you in the last couple

00:42:28.000 months where I've seen some of this stuff happening on the right

00:42:31.000 I have really tried to to rise above it and I'm not attacking anybody.

00:42:35.000 How do you do it? Because well I'll tell you one of the things that I've tried to

00:42:39.000 do is take some have you you've had Tulsi on your show right?

00:42:42.000 Yeah.

00:42:42.000 Okay, so Tulsi, I think, is a great example of where we should be going with things right now.

00:42:47.000 Tulsi, lifelong Democrat from Hawaii, right?

00:42:50.000 Like, her spirit is a spirit of peace and decency and love and warmth and all of that, right?

00:42:57.000 You know that, I know that about her personally and her public nature.

00:43:01.000 What I think is interesting about her is she's a current member, serving member of the military, who got into the military because of 9-11.

00:43:08.000 Now let's put aside what anyone thinks America did right or wrong after 9-11 or anything else, but something happened to her when America got attacked that said, I want to help my country, right?

00:43:18.000 Then she becomes a congresswoman.

00:43:20.000 The woman really would prefer probably to be on a surfboard all day if she was just doing what she wanted to do. 1.00

00:43:27.000 She was part of the Democrat machine for a long time and then just didn't like the direction that things were going.

00:43:33.000 It can't be that every, you know, it's a similar wake-up that I had and that many other people are having.

00:43:37.000 It can't be that everyone else is racist, I don't like this authoritarian control, the big government thing and the constant taking of taxes, none of this is working.

00:43:45.000 She started waking up to it and then what did the machine do to her?

00:43:48.000 Hillary Clinton said that she was a Russian asset, if you remember that.

00:43:51.000 They basically, in essence, they kicked her out of the party.

00:43:54.000 Not literally, but she had to leave the party.

00:43:57.000 She is no longer a Democrat.

00:43:59.000 Now why am I bringing her up as it relates to this?

00:44:02.000 Because I think people like her actually are the answer.

00:44:05.000 And what I'm seeing on the right right now is that for all the little infighting on the right,

00:44:10.000 she's being welcome.

00:44:11.000 Another example of this would be another guy that that you know well, Bill Maher, and that when you were on last time was like one of the best media hits of the last 10 years.

00:44:20.000 But Bill Maher is waking up to all of what's wrong with the left.

00:44:23.000 He's defending free speech.

00:44:25.000 You know, he's getting all of the issues right.

00:44:27.000 He's he's acknowledging the deficiencies mentally with Biden.

00:44:30.000 He's not pretending anything is other than it is.

00:44:34.000 And what's happening?

00:44:35.000 People on the right are enjoying him.

00:44:36.000 Now, he may not get there voting-wise.

00:44:38.000 Maybe he's going to end up voting for Biden.

00:44:40.000 And I always say we have to just kind of punt that.

00:44:43.000 But if you take all of these people that are waking up, I would much rather right now show them that on the right side of things, look, you are in my house with my husband and my children.

00:44:54.000 I am not a conventional conservative by any nature. 0.73

00:44:57.000 The labels are all ridiculous and everything else.

00:44:59.000 But I do know that if voting means anything, there is one side I have to vote for to protect my life, to protect what I think is good about this country and everything else.

00:45:08.000 So what I'm working really hard to do right now is show people on the right That as these people come, let's be gracious.

00:45:16.000 People were gracious when I came along.

00:45:17.000 When I came along and started just talking to Ben Shapiro, who I thought was this right-wing maniac, and talking to Glenn Beck, and talking to Dennis Prager, what I found was they were kind, and decent, and welcoming, and I think you've had a very similar experience with all of those guys, and many other people.

00:45:33.000 And I think if we hold on to that, then the little fighting about this or that, and the neocons did this, and this happened, It's just not important.

00:45:42.000 Like, it sounds cliche, but we literally have a country to save.

00:45:45.000 And if we cannot save it, we're all screwed.

00:45:48.000 So that's what I'm really focusing on more than anything else.

00:45:50.000 So I try not to get involved in the little fights.

00:45:52.000 And every time, my guys know, like every time a story pops where I'm like, there's someone who's waking up, I want to talk to that person.

00:46:00.000 Not because they're going to end up exactly believing the things that I believe, but I'm like, oh, you're on your journey.

00:46:05.000 Let's roll.

00:46:05.000 Let's see what we can do with that.

00:46:06.000 Let's see where that goes.

00:46:08.000 That seems way more interesting to me than just talking to politicians at this point.

00:46:12.000 It bores me to no end, actually.

00:46:13.000 Yeah.

00:46:14.000 And I think what's also significant is that, God, man, I don't want to deal with hate.

00:46:20.000 Right.

00:46:20.000 That's the other part.

00:46:21.000 I've just had enough of the hate.

00:46:23.000 And I actually feel that there is the significance of Aggregating centralized power at a corporate global level is so significant that there almost can't be a difference between, like, you know, take it all the way left and all the way right.

00:46:36.000 This alliance must take place.

00:46:39.000 This respect for personal and communal autonomy has to be so sort of sincere.

00:46:46.000 The ability to respect other people's free speech, other people's sovereignty has to be that That's why America, that's why freedom is the thing to sell and we forgot how to sell it.

00:46:53.000 We forgot how to tell the story.

00:46:54.000 America is for everybody that believes in freedom and then the American values that come from that.

00:46:58.000 So it starts to sort of mellow away and just, it doesn't define you.

00:47:02.000 That's why America, that's why freedom is the thing to sell and we forgot how to

00:47:06.000 sell it. We forgot how to tell the story. America is for everybody that believes

00:47:10.000 in freedom and then the American values that that come from that. You know, the

00:47:14.000 chance, that you have a chance here. We'll give you equality, equality under the law.

00:47:18.000 And then you have a chance to do something.

00:47:20.000 You might not do it, but you have the ability to pursue happiness.

00:47:24.000 What a great thing the founders put in there.

00:47:25.000 The pursuit of happiness.

00:47:27.000 We can't guarantee you happiness, but you could pursue it and we'll see what happens.

00:47:30.000 And guess what?

00:47:31.000 Most people will never, most people either don't end up happy or they never get all the way there or whatever it is, right?

00:47:36.000 But you could pursue it here in America.

00:47:38.000 And the reason that that is so attractive is because most countries for the history of the world, They're based around an ethnicity to begin, right? 0.75

00:47:45.000 So Spain is mostly for Spanish people.

00:47:48.000 Now, of course, they have immigrants, they have different people there.

00:47:51.000 Ireland is mostly for Irish people.

00:47:52.000 There are basic things that make you common with your neighbor.

00:47:55.000 America, the thing that makes us common is freedom, right?

00:47:58.000 It's freedom.

00:47:59.000 That's it.

00:48:01.000 And then you have your foods and I have my foods and oh your family came from this place I like that spice oh I like that music from where you live oh those are interesting clothes you wear and all of these things and then we fold that into the melting pot and it is supposed to make us stronger that is exactly what you were describing right there and and if we can strengthen that if we can return to that it is the most beautiful precious thing that humans could possibly create I also think the danger in that is it's the easiest thing to destroy right what's happening right now is we're importing old If you live in America now, most of your ancestors came from places that had old hatreds, and you were fleeing authoritarian governments, right?

00:48:37.000 Then we came to America, you had a chance.

00:48:39.000 It would be the easiest thing, if you were a nefarious foreign power or something else, to basically put it on our streets that we should just start looking at skin color again, and we should be obsessed with all of our inequities and everything else. 0.92

00:48:52.000 You will put everything else aside, and then you'll be willing to kill your neighbor.

00:48:56.000 So it is extraordinarily rare and precious and it's also extraordinarily rare and can be flitted away like that.

00:49:04.000 Thanks Dave.

00:49:06.000 Well I hope you enjoyed that.

00:49:08.000 Thank you very much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:49:10.000 We will be back tomorrow, not with more of the same, I'd never insult you with that, but with more of the different.

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