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00:00:43.000Just to let you know that, um, what happened was, is Donald Trump, right, was collaborating with the Russians, and that's the only reason he won that election, is because, like, otherwise, how could Donald Trump win an election?
00:00:56.000It's not like people are so disillusioned with democracy and career politicians and the obvious financial corruption that's rife in Washington that someone that used populist rhetoric and had charisma would overcome a plain-as-day career politician and out-and-out cynic like Hillary Clinton.
00:01:14.000It must have been that the Russians were involved.
00:01:17.000So finally we've got proof that it was because of Russian cyber hacking that Donald Trump even won the election so I guess he shouldn't have... Oh no, sorry, it's the opposite.
00:01:28.000Russia weren't involved at all and the mainstream media and the Democrat Party and the FBI conspired to ensure that a theory, a story that never had legs from the get-go was spread everywhere.
00:01:44.000Let us know in the chat and the comments right now how you feel about what you got called Deep state duplicity!
00:01:53.000However you feel about Donald Trump, how do you feel about the systems that generate the possibility for new types of populist leaders to emerge?
00:02:03.000I know a lot of you love Donald Trump and I know a lot of you don't like Donald Trump and we believe that it's the system itself that needs to change and that's the kind of conversation we want to have with you and guess what?
00:02:14.000We can't have that conversation with you on YouTube because YouTube censors the kind of information that we'll be talking about on Rumble.
00:02:23.000After our 15-20 minutes, we'll be available exclusively on Rumble.
00:02:26.000And thank God we are, because I'll be talking to Matthew Colony, who's going to talk to us about how the Deep State has been running things for time.
00:03:01.000So look, we're going to be talking about that.
00:03:02.000We're going to be talking about the FBI running with this Steele dossier funded by the Clinton campaign.
00:03:08.000Hillary Clinton personally signing that off.
00:03:11.000We're going to be talking about how 1.3 million people have access to your most private data and the government spent $18 billion a year preventing you from seeing any of it.
00:03:23.000So if you want to learn about that, Hate speech?
00:05:19.000He's not, like, sort of sweating, but he pays a price for it, because even though, like, he was keeping it together on the night itself, have a look at the next day when he's meeting Macron.
00:05:28.000I don't, like, I don't know how at ease I would be meeting Macron.
00:05:30.000Macron anyway, especially after a big night out.
00:05:34.000Well, I'm not the worst suggesting that Elon Musk was anything other than on the level, but, like, look at his face when he, like, when they sort of talk to him.
00:05:42.000You can tell he's trying to hold it together.
00:06:01.000So the main news that we're talking about on the show today is the Durham report.
00:06:05.000The whole Russiagate thing was just basically made up.
00:06:09.000Now we can deal with that because we've been telling you for a long time, and you've been telling us, let us know in the comments and the chat if you were surprised by this stuff.
00:06:16.000That the deep state and global corporations are involved in managing narratives, manipulating power.
00:06:23.000So when stuff like this happens, it doesn't bother me.
00:06:28.000But how is it for people that are invested in the mainstream media, that believe that by voting for this party over that party, you're doing something meaningful?
00:06:37.000It actually represents something to them.
00:06:48.000President Trump appeared so confident of what Durham would find, he openly pressured the special counsel to release his findings before the 2020 election.
00:06:56.000Regardless, the report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for.
00:07:02.000It is, regardless, devastating to the FBI, and to a degree it does exonerate Donald Trump.
00:07:10.000...does exonerate Donald Trump and, like, of course over at CNN they're still in a sort of Uroboros of self-devouring fury about having had him on CNN.
00:07:23.000That's the only conclusion that can be drawn.
00:07:26.000We're talking about this story in depth over the course of the coming days and some of the things that particularly struck me, my dear friend and on-screen assistant, was that Hillary personally signed it off from the get-go.
00:07:39.000They knew that there was nothing in it, that it was funded via the Steele dossier by the Democratic Party.
00:07:47.000Ultimately, the things that we continually tell you about the mainstream media appear in this instance to have been, as a result of this inquiry, completely verified.
00:07:58.000Well, they tried to keep that quiet as well, didn't they?
00:08:00.000About the funding of the Steele dossier.
00:08:02.000That was one of the things that, you know, was like...
00:08:05.000Similar to what was alleged about Donald Trump recently.
00:08:07.000Some of the best quotes I've heard from this.
00:08:09.000So Durham said in his report, based on the evidence gathered in the multiple exhaustive and costly federal investigations of these matters, including the instant investigation, neither US law enforcement nor the intelligence community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.
00:08:32.000Durham knocked the FBI for failing to take steps before launching the Trump campaign investigations such as interviewing relevant witnesses, reviewing its own intelligence databases or using any of the standard atypical tools typically employed by the FBI in evaluating war intelligence.
00:08:49.000So basically they did anything that they should have done.
00:08:52.000Any of the things they could have done.
00:08:53.000So let us know in the chat in the comments what you think and join us over on Locals.
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00:09:10.000It can't just be that people are so disillusioned and disenfranchised with the Democrat Party that they are voting for Trump in significant numbers.
00:09:19.000That there has to be some foreign invasion.
00:09:22.000There has to be some intervention from alien and easily condemned forces and resources.
00:09:29.000They knew it wasn't true and they pushed it.
00:09:32.000Elsewhere in our investigation, we point out that the FBI go, they literally say something they're criminal of.
00:09:37.000We're glad you've pointed this out, but we've already solved all those problems.
00:09:39.000We'll never do anything like that again.
00:09:41.000But since then, they've already done the Hunter Biden stuff.
00:09:43.000You know how the CIA, I know it's a separate agency, but for the purposes of this, where we're talking about the deep state and the deep state's ability to manipulate political narratives and direct power and resources, I think is very relevant.
00:09:54.000It's one of the things we were talking to Matthew Connolly, who's an expert in these matters, about later.
00:09:59.000As well as the amount of money that's spent on keeping information from you and the astonishing number, I think it's 1.3 million people that have access to your most private data.
00:10:08.000We told you earlier in the week that they are using the horror and the spectre of Mexican drug cartels to sustain legislation bought in after 9-11 in the Patriot Act.
00:10:22.000They're hoarding all of your data and then if they need it later they'll actually access it. That's what's still happening and that was about
00:10:29.000It was about to be shut down and they're saying, well we can't shut it down now, not
00:10:32.000of all these Mexican drug cartels. Now obviously there's room for a variety of
00:10:36.000views and opinions and one of the people that I respect who's the, I guess you lot
00:10:40.000would say he's sort of on the left, but God don't you feel like a political
00:10:44.000Don't you feel that there's no party that represents you in this system?
00:10:47.000Don't you feel now more than ever that you need a different kind of affinity that's resourced from somewhere deeper, like a spiritual place?
00:10:54.000Anyhow, Jon Stewart says in this flurry of tweets and sort of well-liked, well-regarded tweets... This is about the Trump-CNN town hall appearance.
00:11:01.000I guess he is talking about that, but it's difficult not to... Well, I don't know, Gareth.
00:11:05.000I mean, I see it as, in a sense, that...
00:11:07.000My personal view on Trump is that he's a berserker that's gone into the system that's not able to be manipulated in the ordinary fashion of a career politician or even a sort of someone that's a legacy politician like George W. Bush, let alone career politicians like Biden, Clinton and presumably Obama, certainly from the way he behaved in office.
00:11:25.000That Trump is a contentious yet popular figure because of the manner of his rhetoric and again I will reiterate that I don't see Donald Trump as the solution but let's have a look at this like flurry of tweets from Jon Stewart who I personally admire both as a comic and as a sort of a public figure.
00:11:42.000The problem with the Trump Town Hall wasn't platforming or a fragile, siloed audience unable to be exposed to newsworthy opinions.
00:11:48.000I would say that both audiences, whether he's referring to the presumably pro-Trump audience in the room or the ordinary regular CNN audience...
00:12:31.000It shows you that really, the news is a TV show.
00:12:35.000The version of reality presented to us through the contrivances of the deep state and the global corporatist agenda is a kind of simulacrum, a spectacle of reality.
00:12:46.000If it's necessary to have Trump on TV, even though you purport to loathe Trump, you're going to have Trump on TV.
00:12:52.000Now, I know a lot of you guys like Trump, right?
00:13:13.000I think one of the points that I heard this week as well is, you know, CNN, because there's been a lot of apparently internal strife at CNN of people saying we shouldn't have had him on and was it right that we did that?
00:13:22.000But the point is, you know, CNN saying, you know, Trump this, Trump that, I think even Anderson Cooper is still saying, I think he said on Monday, something about how he was doubling down still on, we know that Russia and Trump were involved together, even after this stuff has come out.
00:13:36.000But you don't see on CNN them interviewing Marianne Williamson or RFK, do you?
00:13:41.000So they only, you know, if you're saying we need to represent everyone, that's why we got Trump on, that's the point of us being a news network, Well then represent the other side as well, represent these people.
00:13:51.000Their power comes from limiting the size of the frame by prescribing what information that we are able to discuss and gain access to, presenting pejoratively any opinions antithetical to the state agenda.
00:14:05.000So yeah, so that's the interesting stuff from him.
00:14:07.000But on that note, RFK has been banned from Instagram.
00:14:10.000That seems odd to ban a presidential candidate from a mainstream platform.
00:14:15.000He's been banned for a a while. I think this is ongoing actually. I think this ban
00:14:50.000If you join us there, you can join these conversations live.
00:14:55.000Excuse me, and put your questions to RFK, although I'll be honest.
00:14:58.000When I was doing it it was very difficult to interrupt a man who was talking about like you know sort of spies from the KGB coming around his house and doing Cossack dancing while he's a kid.
00:15:07.000The red bat phone to Khrushchev that his dad would sometimes use.
00:15:10.000Not to mention these more significant revelations around the pandemic.
00:15:14.000The assassination of his uncle and indeed his father.
00:15:20.000And for me, the issues raised and enshrined by RFK, as well as his willingness to talk about them publicly, is going to be significant in the time between now and the election.
00:15:32.000This will prevent it being an anodyne, banal, Biden-style conversation around power.
00:17:46.000Because what he's done there is he's simply got, I described how to do it in a recent episode because in the last one, the last title sequence, I mean show the last title sequence.
00:17:54.000That's actually very clever what he's done there because there's literally nothing you can say about it.
00:19:19.000It's such a Potentially fantastic asset some people pointing out that our item about this week in history showed in the photo We showed the first ever McDonald's advert and it showcased a man called Willard Scott who if you're American you care about There's some stuff here about
00:19:36.000Pfizer vaccines and all sorts of stuff.
00:19:43.000Before we leave the item for each, which is brilliant, and Gareth, please pick a few comments of your own.
00:19:47.000Have a look at what Jack did previously that led me to give him the opportunity to create that meta-ironic and sarcastic piece of graphics that you've just seen.
00:19:56.000It's the very sort of thing we've come to expect from Gen Z, but this is his previous effort.
00:20:10.000It's like offensively bad on sort of every single level because it's like the sort of like slightly folky jokey vocal, the terrible you've got mail.
00:20:19.000I don't know what they're... I actually would like... Makes you angry, doesn't it?
00:20:36.000We will get RFK back on because we have made this decision.
00:20:40.000We are going to showcase and platform RFK because I think that he will alter the debate.
00:20:46.000I'm sure that a democratic party that stymies and ultimately negates the popularity of Bernie Sanders through the internal party mechanics is going to give pretty short shrift to a guy that's saying he's going to disband the CIA, that JFK was a CIA asset that they then went on to...
00:21:06.000I'm going to say what he said about the pandemic, Antony Fauci.
00:21:12.000I'm going to say what he said about Antony Fauci.
00:21:15.000They are going to shut that guy down hard.
00:21:17.000But the fact is, with independent media, he is going to have a voice.
00:21:21.000And because of the stuff he's talking about, it's the very things that we care about.
00:21:32.000Marianne believes that we always talk about the necessity for significant systemic change.
00:21:39.000That's why later in the week when we talked to former MI5 operative Ami Mashon, I raised with her the possibility of disbanding MI5, FBI, CIA.
00:21:48.000She of course will say that there's good people in those organizations such as there are great people in the police force teaching professors professions, national health or medical professions, but
00:21:57.000they, within their institutions, it's difficult to succeed because the
00:22:01.000institutions all become corralled either to minimizing expenditure or servicing the
00:22:06.000needs of powerful establishment elites. Either that or they just don't
00:22:10.000do the work as is the case with this Trump case. Yeah. Let's find out. Did you do
00:22:15.000even the rudimentary checks? Not rudimentary ones, no.
00:22:19.000We just went on and just promulgated this story throughout the mainstream media with our allies over at CNN, without checking if it was remotely true.
00:22:29.000Also, from the mainstream media, we're going to be talking to our friend Charlie Langton, who you might remember from his... is it...
00:22:36.000May the 4th or May 20th, the one where you're allowed to smoke marijuana and stuff in America.
00:22:42.000He did a very amusing report for Fox News and sometimes we like to talk to mainstream reporters to see what sort of stuff they do and say hey listen we're going to leave if you're on YouTube remember in a minute we're going to be talking to Matthew Connolly about the Deep State, about the 1.3 million Americans who have access to your top-secret information.
00:23:03.000They can spy on you, but they spend billions preventing you knowing what they're doing.
00:23:08.000So click on the link, join us on Rumble and even on Locals if you want to by pressing the red button and becoming a member of a thriving and loving community over there.
00:23:17.000Right, let's have a look at our item about mainstream media reports and see what the graphics team have come up with for this.
00:24:07.000Well, then we... Because I'm blaming you.
00:24:09.000No, I mean, it's just, it wasn't showing this, it was just talking about marijuana and just like, you know, some of the legal stuff that's going on with marijuana at the moment.
00:24:17.000They took Rachel Maddow saying you can get a vaccine, you won't spread it.
00:25:13.000But the people on 420, the day that they, apparently they smoked marijuana out in the open, and we went to the west side of Detroit, which is kind of an area of Detroit that's a, you know, it's a little poverty area, that type of thing.
00:25:36.000There may be a couple little things, a couple little rules, But pretty much that's it, and 420 is a day that really has been adopted by pretty much all over the United States.
00:25:44.000Maybe not as much as the people I found, I admit, it may be a little extreme, but they were having fun.
00:25:52.000Patrick's Day celebration, the drinking of the green beer, for those that like that, with pot, marijuana, joints, blunts, and they were having a great time, they really were.
00:26:03.000Charlie, I get the sense from speaking with you that you've worked in the media for a long time.
00:26:08.000How do you feel that the modern media landscape has become sort of cleaved into these various tributaries of opposition and hate?
00:26:19.000What do you think about the revelation that the FBI pushed that story about Russiagate?
00:26:26.000How do you feel about the sort of lack of trust in media organizations?
00:26:30.000And if you can tie in the sort of payoff from your lot for the Dominion machines into this
00:26:35.000and the sort of stuff that's going on into Tucker into just a broad sketch about how
00:26:39.000the media mainstream media landscape has changed in the time you've been there and where we
00:26:43.000find ourselves now, bringing in all those kinds of stories.
00:27:23.000So I think that the media can I think it reflects culture in a way that, if I did this, I could never do the pot story on the weed bus five years ago.
00:27:36.000I probably couldn't do it three years ago.
00:27:38.000I did it last year, but this year it evolves.
00:27:41.000And I think I think mainstream media is entertainment.
00:27:46.000In my view, it's got to be an element of entertainment.
00:28:21.000If we're looking for a barricaded gun or something, that's fine.
00:28:24.000If it's pot, if it's just smoking and people having fun and don't judge at how we've evolved, then that's it.
00:28:31.000Yes, no doubt news media has started to center not only on entertainment, but on getting views.
00:28:38.000And I feel that Tucker was a particular, let's say, genius in that space.
00:28:42.000Someone who spoke in exactly the manner that you described.
00:28:46.000While being intelligent and not patronizing to an audience, he was able to convey information in a way that made it Relatable.
00:28:53.000Now, I imagine being a lawyer and a Fox employee, there are numerous reasons why you can't answer that question with total transparency.
00:29:00.000But again, to talk about how the media has become the focus of so much derision.
00:29:05.000How do you think that contemporary news media will survive when there is so much derision and criticism and mistrust?
00:29:14.000When there is so much partisanship with CNN and MSNBC saying Fox is the worst thing in the world.
00:29:19.000With Fox saying that they're snowflakes and they're like, you know, full of crap and stuff.
00:29:23.000How do you feel the media is going to have to evolve and adapt?
00:29:27.000Do you think it will be by becoming more partisan?
00:29:30.000How do you feel it relates to stories like the one that I mentioned, like with the, you know, the FBI and the mainstream media collaborating to create the Russiagate story and, you know, and also the media becoming part of the story as through the aforementioned Dominion thing?
00:29:44.000But I think, I think with the Dominion, I think with Fox, I think that if I'm a conservative person and I love Donald Trump and I want to see him run again, I'm going to listen to Fox.
00:29:59.000If I am, if I love Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, I'm going to watch MSNBC and I'm going to hate Fox.
00:30:05.000And I think that we're often, we peg ourselves, if I want to be a good conservative, I'm going to watch and do everything that the Fox people say.
00:31:19.000Yeah, it's interesting when you have a story like CNN giving Trump that town hall and then going into a sort of orgy of coruscation and self-exhoration.
00:31:30.000After is an interesting litmus test for where the media finds itself.
00:32:06.000I think the creation of communities that share views while continuing to recognize we all have stuff in common with one another is important.
00:32:13.000I think that's an interesting distinction you've drawn there about local news.
00:32:16.000It feels like you are part of that community somewhat.
00:32:19.000I think I can make an argument that, you know, Donald Trump, for example, whether you love him or hate him, he's great for viewing.
00:32:24.000And I think that the fact that CNN is... And I watch CNN, I watch MSNBC, I watch Fox, I watch them all on the network.
00:32:32.000But I think that when they're going to...
00:32:35.000Trump is a lightning rod, and I think that a lot of the Democrats perceive that they want Trump to run because he's going to divide the party.
00:32:41.000Locally, in Michigan, the Republican Party, some would argue because of Trump, has destroyed the Republican Party.
00:32:48.000Now you have Republicans fighting each other Republicans.
00:32:51.000Now I'm not saying that on our local level that we're going to be so partisan as the network, but I do think that there's going to be a lot of talk about Donald Trump, how it's, the CNN, the MSNBC, the more traditional liberal media, they're going to be talking and they're basically going to say, let's talk about Trump every single day because he's a divisive, he's divisive and it helps Democrats in the Long run.
00:33:12.000We just went through a big abortion debate.
00:33:27.000People tend to vote when they're mad, and they did.
00:33:29.000And as a result, at least here in Michigan, Republicans lost every single race, all of the major statewide races for governor, attorney general, secretary of state, etc.
00:33:38.000So, I do think the media, though, Again, on the network level, I think that they're looking for things that are lightning rods, whether they get people to mad one way or another.
00:33:48.000And I think the Republicans now have to take a little bit of a step back and say, what issue is really going to get our party, the conservative party, to really go out there and vote?
00:34:00.000And I don't think it's happening so much on the local level, although Donald Trump's going to be in Michigan in about another month, I think it is, and oh wow, I mean, we will have I mean it's gonna be a circus and I hope I can cover that one.
00:34:17.000Use your legal skills and your love of recreational and medical marijuana to get the best damn Donald Trump interview that the world has seen.
00:34:25.000Charlie, thank you so much for giving us those insights and for sharing your time with us.
00:34:46.000Listen, we've got a fantastic conversation coming up.
00:34:48.000We're going to be speaking with Matthew Connolly about the influence and nefarious insidious power of the deep state, the way that they are able to assert and exert power and control in a manner that you may not have even speculated on before, unless you are a well-versed and well-read viewer of our channel.
00:35:05.000Before that, we are... Oh, yeah, well, Putin has put his nuclear forces on high alert.
00:35:13.000In other news, we're probably all going to be dead soon.
00:35:16.000And what's the thing that we were pairing it with?
00:35:17.000Oh yeah, like when CNN put Trump on there for that town hall and it became, once again, a culturally bifurcating issue, one area that struck us as significant here on Stay Free was Trump's refusal to, in a trite manner, say, oh, I support Ukraine or Russia, which sort of amount to... Who do you want to Who do you want to win?
00:35:44.000Like, it just comes down to a new form of patriotism, carrying the message, whatever.
00:35:48.000And really, I can't help but think that Trump's point that what's required is a diplomatic and peaceful solution is one worth investigating.
00:36:23.000Trump being on CNN has been derided by some as platforming a dangerous lunatic, celebrated by others as a return to form by a brilliant orator.
00:36:35.000Let me know in the chat and the comments.
00:36:36.000But what are What I'd like to focus on, if I may, if it's okay with you guys, is the moment where he talks about the necessity for ending the conflict, ending the war.
00:36:44.000And the person that was interrogating him or questioning Trump kept saying, yeah, but whose side are you on?
00:36:52.000Hundreds of thousands of people are dying.
00:36:54.000Russian people, Ukrainian people, human beings, sons and daughters and people's relatives, people that are beloved are dying in a war.
00:37:02.000To some degree it seems to me because it's financially beneficial to prolong it.
00:37:07.000I don't know if I'm being incredibly 1960s counterculture, war is a bad thing here, that we should be ending wars and looking for peace because it's always better for everyone and it's where we'll arrive eventually.
00:37:18.000I don't know if that's a Outmoded, outdated mentality.
00:37:21.000It used to be popular in the countercultural movement.
00:37:24.000So, let's have a look at a bit of that CNN town hall.
00:37:27.000Let's talk about Putin saying that they are on nuclear high alert now, which is essentially saying we're getting ready for a nuclear war.
00:37:34.000And let's assess, as individuals and as a culture, whether or not we want to continue The current administration has made it clear that we should continue to provide military equipment to Ukraine so that they can defend themselves.
00:37:46.000any of that territory back if all it's going to lead to is more death and more violence.
00:38:24.000Because first of all, for all of their grandstanding critiquing and condemning of Donald Trump, when it comes to it, CNN will have Trump on for one reason and one reason only.
00:38:35.000People will watch Donald Trump on the television.
00:38:38.000And in a way, OK, if that's your position, but don't spend all of your time pretending that you really hate Donald Trump and then be caught in some weird kind of codependent tango with someone that you apparently loathe.
00:38:53.000Really, it reveals this, that the aesthetics and inflections of left v. right are little more than a tribal livery that's used to attract the appropriate audience and utilize the appropriate market in spend.
00:40:36.000If you were the person that had to press the button to kill the people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, would you feel 100% confident doing that?
00:40:47.000Winning is a reductive, jingoistic kind of perspective that in the old days, and when I say old days, I mean like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, like 10, 15 years ago, that would have been a right-wing position.
00:41:00.000What the questioner is essentially saying is you better now say you support Ukraine because even though this isn't a proxy war, that's where US military might, through the military-industrial complex, is being expended.
00:41:12.000And if you don't pay homage, then you are with the baddies.
00:41:15.000Aren't we a little more sophisticated than that in this day and age?
00:41:18.000Particularly if your critiques of Donald Trump are based on his lack of sophistication as a statesman and, you know, obviously the kind of moral issues that have come up.
00:41:56.000He would have never gone in if I was president.
00:41:58.000Okay, so let's give this some financial context.
00:42:01.000The Biden administration on Tuesday announced a new $1.2 billion weapons package for Ukraine that includes an additional 155mm artillery ammunition and air defence systems, while British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace confirmed on Thursday that London is providing Ukraine with longer range missiles, marking another escalation of NATO support for Kiev.
00:42:20.000So however you see this funding, whether you see it as necessary for a humanitarian effort or whatever way you package that in your own mind, it is prolonging the conflict.
00:42:30.000Estonian President Alar Karis this week said that Western leaders must prepare for the possibility of Russia delivering on its nuclear threats.
00:42:37.000There are very few people who are close to Putin who actually know, but he's definitely not insane, at least in medical terms.
00:42:43.000That means he knows exactly what he's doing, Karis said, about the Russian dictator's mentality.
00:42:48.000If Russia is becoming very desperate, then, and I wouldn't say by accident, but even maybe deliberately, they might push a button.
00:42:55.000This comes as Vladimir Putin has put his nuclear forces on high alert.
00:42:59.000Russia is alleged to have begun large-scale nuke exercises, including activating its central command system, dubbed Monolith.
00:43:07.000Ukrainian spies reported that Russia has begun exercises of its nukes, including all elements of the nuclear triad, submarines, missiles, and warplanes.
00:43:15.000The nuclear forces are reportedly on the highest levels of combat readiness.
00:43:19.000Me, as a person continually like you, deluged with media information, continually consuming crisis, my whole life really consumed by 9-11, economic crash, pandemic, this crisis mind that we've had inculcated over decades past.
00:43:37.000Finds it almost impossible to take seriously that there is a nuclear arsenal seriously preparing for nuclear war.
00:43:44.000I immediately think, well, this is just more propaganda.
00:43:46.000This is Russian propaganda and no one really wants a nuclear war.
00:43:49.000But just because something hasn't happened yet, that doesn't mean it's never going to happen, because otherwise nothing new would ever happen, would it?
00:43:56.000So it seems to me that based on the current information, there is brinkmanship taking place that is China has rapidly increased its engagement around the world.
00:44:05.000and continue fueling the war machine, which shows you how significant and how powerful
00:44:10.000the war machine is, i.e. it's the zenith of the American economic model.
00:44:14.000So, not only does America not want peace, they don't want anybody to want peace,
00:44:43.000I sometimes feel that I'm privy to the baddies' private meetings.
00:44:48.000Because if you just think about that for a moment, what if China were like, listen, we don't want Saudi Arabia and Iran constantly at loggerheads, even if it's for their own sort of selfish economic reasons or You know, we don't want Russia and Ukraine starting a worldwide nuclear conflict, even if it is for their own selfish economic reasons.
00:45:03.000You know, we know that America's actions and our own country's actions are for selfish economic reasons.
00:45:09.000So presumably that is part of the Chinese mindset.
00:45:11.000But overall, not having a nuclear war is better than having a nuclear war, isn't it?
00:45:49.000It's almost like they've realised, oh no, we can't dominate the global narrative on behalf of the military-industrial complex and transcendent financial interests that are not actually American the way that you are an American person, but are just simply housed within lax American financial and political systems that allow them to dominate the globe in this manner.
00:46:13.000The only thing that can threaten this hegemony is another similarly large country that has a different agenda.
00:46:19.000I think at that point, you have to put aside the flag and start thinking about the mushroom clouds.
00:46:24.000I mean, at what point do you think, no man, never!
00:46:34.000And can we expect to see more countries try to turn to China as a mediator?
00:46:38.000Look at them sort of, like, trying to gerrymander their way through a conversation.
00:46:41.000They're simply, we want to be in total control, and our control is predicated on threats and war and commerce, military-industrial complex, ignoring the domestic population that we've already subjugated and bludgeoned into compliance.
00:47:09.000Inadvertently pressed a series of buttons.
00:47:12.000You can see the rest of our presentation here is the news on Rumble in full straight after this.
00:47:17.000Before that though, we have Matthew Connolly, Professor of International and Global History at Columbia and author Author of the declassification engine, Matthew, welcome to the show.
00:47:26.000My apologies for inadvertently firing up a sting that's a terrifying AI orifice emulating human vocal sounds.
00:47:40.000Talk to you about the story that's broken today that the FBI didn't, it seems like, at least practice due diligence before promulgating the Russiagate allegations that dogged Trump throughout his presidency.
00:47:56.000Tell me, how does this fit into your broader understanding of deep state espionage agencies such as the FBI and CIA, please?
00:48:05.000Yeah, well, Russell, you know, if you were paying attention, you know, people who are tracking like FBI disclosures over the last few decades, you would find that time and again, they've had to admit agents, you know, at best misbehaving.
00:48:21.000And making mistakes, as they like to call them, when it comes to the surveillance of US citizens.
00:48:26.000I mean, you go back almost quarter a century ago, the FBI disclosed dozens and dozens of instances in which FBI agents had gathered more information that they were entitled to.
00:48:37.000There was a study, another example, they found that FBI headquarters, when they ordered surveillance, more than half the time, Uh, they were exceeding the legal limits, right?
00:48:48.000So this has happened over and over and over again.
00:48:51.000And to me, like, the scandalous thing is what isn't illegal.
00:48:54.000I mean, the fact that, you know, these kinds of things have happened continuously for decades now, and yet no one has held to account.
00:49:02.000If this is an institutional problem, as you describe, and each time we learn of the FBI paying Twitter to censor information, or the CIA being involved in coups that ultimately lead to greater conflagration, Is there an argument, as Robert F. Kennedy suggests, for disbanding the CIA in particular?
00:49:28.000Are these institutions salvageable or do they have, at essence, a kind of, I don't know, if not negligence, a kind of hypocrisy?
00:49:36.000Is it impossible for them to function in order to protect a population?
00:49:41.000Well, you know, it is hard to imagine a world, you know, without the FBI, without the CIA.
00:49:47.000But I like to remind people that in the United States, these are relatively recent inventions.
00:49:52.000You know, going back, you know, before World War One, there was no Central Intelligence Agency.
00:49:57.000There was no Federal Bureau of Investigation.
00:50:01.000For the first 150 years of our history, we didn't have intelligence agencies.
00:50:06.000The only time that the U.S., you know, after the first You know, period, the revolution in the early republic.
00:50:11.000After that point, the only time the U.S.
00:50:13.000employed, you know, large numbers of spies and intercepted communications was during wartime.
00:50:18.000And after wars ended, they dismantled this apparatus.
00:50:21.000So it's not impossible to imagine that in the future, we won't necessarily have to have 18 different intelligence agencies.
00:50:29.000Like to me, that's the aberration, the way that this system has just grown completely out of control.
00:50:36.000Matthew, since the Patriot Act, no American has any privacy.
00:50:42.000It's possible for them to store your data and look at it at will.
00:50:45.000One of the things that you cover in your book is the number of people that have access to information.
00:50:50.000I think you said up to 1.3 million people.
00:50:54.000I wonder if this kind of legislation and this kind of intrusion enforces the idea that the state That has a degree of authority that infantilizes a population.
00:51:09.000As you've just said, that typically these are the kind of measures that would be deployed in a war then rescinded subsequently.
00:51:16.000The fact that they are ubiquitously applied suggests that there is a permanent state of paternalism.
00:51:26.000I'd like you to just explain to us a little more how since the Patriot Act the American population have been universally spied on and also about this how the recent attempts to review that legislation are being delayed under the auspices of protecting us from American drug cartels and stuff.
00:51:46.000Yeah, well, you know, there are people who would say the reason why we have the Patriot Act, you know, the reason why we have 18 different intelligence agencies and so on, you know, it's because that's the only way we can protect American lives, right?
00:51:58.000That it's our national security that's at stake.
00:52:00.000You know, but when you look back, those moments, periods, long periods, you know, when the United States was at peace, you know, in fact, you know, for a time where the world's only superpower I'm talking about the 1990s.
00:52:13.000Even then, these intelligence agencies, especially the National Security Agency, were pushing to expand their surveillance powers.
00:52:21.000So it almost doesn't matter what kind of threats supposedly threatened the country.
00:52:27.000It seems like no matter what is happening in that outside world, inside our government, there are people who are constantly pushing to expand their ability to spy on the American people.
00:52:39.000Back in 1984, The Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel, this is the part of the government that sets the rules for everyone else.
00:52:47.000They're the ones at the OLC who get to decide what's legal and what isn't.
00:52:51.000They wrote an opinion according to which American surveillance agencies like the NSA, they can intercept our communications when they go abroad, right?
00:53:00.000So when American, you know, phone calls or emails or what have you, when they go through foreign data centers, all of that is fair game.
00:53:08.000And that is a giant legal loophole that allows, at least in principle, the NSA and all these other agencies to systematically spy on American communications.
00:55:29.000I don't know for a fact, you know, that that's happening right now.
00:55:33.000But the fact is, you know, every government, including the U.S.
00:55:36.000government, does do these very operations when they're working abroad.
00:55:42.000And there's almost no limit, right, to how much and in what ways they will spy on the citizens of other states.
00:55:49.000So that means, you know, that no matter where you live, you're fair game, you know, for dozens of different intelligence agencies, many of them now equipped with the most powerful tools available from the private sector, right?
00:56:00.000Like the Pegasus software allows them to break into your iPhones and even turn smartphones into surveillance devices, right?
00:56:07.000So even like relatively small countries can now purchase this kind of technology off the shelf.
00:56:31.000So to the extent that people are blithely unaware of how governments conspire on them, this only is to their benefit and empowers them further.
00:56:40.000How come so many people got access and security clearance?
00:56:47.000Yeah, well, because there's so much classified information that you couldn't run this government without giving over a million people access to top secret information.
00:56:58.000So to give an example, back in 2012, the U.S.
00:57:00.000government itself issued an estimate as to how many times government officials were classifying information secret so nobody would be allowed to see it for decades to come.
00:57:13.000Three times every second, some government official is deciding something had to be classified secret, right?
00:57:19.000So, just imagine how would you even run the American military?
00:57:23.000These 18 different intelligence agencies, the Justice Department, the FBI, and all the rest of it.
00:57:28.000If you didn't have lots and lots of employees who had access to this information.
00:57:32.000And also all of their many consultants, right?
00:57:34.000So many hundreds of thousands of these people are not actually government employees.
00:57:37.000They're consultants working for the government, in some cases earning more than they used to back when they still work for government, when they got these clearances.
00:57:48.000And that includes people like Jack Teixeira, the airman first class, who is found to be sharing secrets with his friends on Discord.
00:57:57.000So all kinds of people now have access to all kinds of information.
00:58:01.000And yet billions are being spent to prevent ordinary people gaining access to this information.
00:58:08.000So again, what kind of relationship does this suggest that actually exists between the state and the population that they govern?
00:58:18.000If they have access to all of our information and our access to their information is significantly impaired, how can we begin to meaningfully change the world, have a fairer world without Meaningfully addressing and amending institutes that don't tend to be affected by the cycles of transition within ordinary electoral democracy.
00:58:43.000Well, Russell, you know, every person who's run successfully for president of the United States has promised that they would bring a new day of transparency and accountability.
00:59:02.000It tells you something, the fact that these people, once they become president, If they didn't already, they fall in love with secrecy.
00:59:08.000It's one of the few ways that presidents can be completely unaccountable.
00:59:12.000Because Trump was right when he said basically presidents are sovereign over secrecy.
00:59:16.000What they decide is national security information is information nobody else is legally entitled to see unless they have that so-called need to know.
00:59:40.000If you want to check on federal power, you've got to bring in the other two branches of government.
00:59:45.000Oh wow, so you don't think that even a political figure like RFK, that is at least in terms
00:59:53.000of his rhetoric, and we've spoke to him and he's a very sincere man who I think is extremely
00:59:58.000well intentioned if I may say, that he says he would disband the CIA.
01:00:04.000So you don't think that it's even within the office of the president to alter these systems
01:00:09.000and that in a sense is perhaps the problem with the type of power that we have now, is
01:00:14.000that once you're within the system, you're part of the system and it's impossible to
01:00:17.000amend it and it suggests that the only solution that we have is to establish alternative means
01:00:23.000of communication, alternative currency, alternative media, because the systems are self-sustaining
01:00:29.000and don't appear to be able to significantly change.
01:00:35.000Well, if the next president actually did, you know, get elected on that platform and really did manage to dismantle this vast secrecy complex, it would be like nothing that's ever happened before in American history.
01:00:56.000And here's a man who so believed in transparency that he gave, when he gave an interview to Playboy magazine, he confessed that he sometimes felt lust in his heart and he felt guilty, you know, about having these feelings that weren't about his wife, Rosalind.
01:01:11.000Okay, so this is the kind of man we're talking about.
01:01:13.000He promised a totally new day, you know, he was going to reform all the secrecy and corruption of the Kissinger and Nixon years.
01:01:21.000In the time that he was president, we can actually track this Now we can enumerate and count the number of classified documents.
01:01:28.000There was even more secrecy than before.
01:01:30.000And by the end of it, he was complaining, you know, about how so much information that was top secret and sensitive was available to far too many people.
01:01:38.000They wanted to create their own presidential secrecy stamp.
01:01:41.000You know what they were going to call it, Russell?
01:01:57.000They are unable to fulfill their earnest and heartfelt impressions once they are within these institutions.
01:02:04.000In a sense, it's an invitation to end the mudslinging and personal invective and condemnation of the individuals within that system.
01:02:12.000And to recognise that it's institutional change that is required, that whether it's someone like Donald Trump or RFK or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, that ultimately, once they're within that system, they will behave like people within that system, almost like an environmental thing, like it was a river or a rainforest.
01:02:30.000You might say, when I'm in the rainforest, I'm going to wear UGG boots and a heavy woolen shawl, but once you get in there, you're going to be trying to avoid the tree frogs and you're going to be there in a pair of swimming trunks.
01:02:48.000And you know, the founders are right about this.
01:02:50.000You know, Jefferson and Adams, they'd write to each other.
01:02:53.000As soon as someone's in power, all of a sudden they believe they can do no wrong, right?
01:02:57.000No matter what they do, they're doing it for the right reasons.
01:03:00.000The only way you can hold people in check is to pit power against power.
01:03:04.000The only way you're going to bring a president to account and have them give up this sovereign control, this royal system of secrecy, is by getting the courts and Congress to start using their power.
01:03:16.000Okay, well I don't know enough to argue with you about that, because you're a professor at Columbia, and I'm the bloke out for getting Sarah Marshall.
01:03:38.000I'll be directing something called the Center for the Study of Existential Risk over at Cambridge.
01:03:44.000And so I'm not giving up my Columbia job.
01:03:46.000I'm still going to be an historian here.
01:03:48.000But for the next, you know, who knows how long, as long as it takes, perhaps, I'll be defending the world against super volcanoes and killer asteroids and AI insurrections.
01:04:20.000I was really interested in, obviously we mentioned Julian Assange and we were talking about RFK and his position is that he would pardon Assange and obviously that's a very popular opinion, but like the growing number of people, whistleblowers that have been charged under the Espionage Act, The way you talk about the bulk collection of data and the kind of surveillance and how it's just multiplying year upon year.
01:04:42.000What do you see for the, you mentioned Jack Teixeira as well.
01:04:45.000How do you see the kind of future of whistleblowing in the way in which the whistleblowers will be kind of shut down and the espionage act will be used against them?
01:04:52.000Do you see the amount of people, I mean, I know Obama and Trump used it way more than had been used in the past.
01:04:59.000Do you think that this is just going to keep growing exponentially until we have prisons full of whistleblowers?
01:05:08.000Under Obama, they prosecuted more people for leaking classified information under the Espionage Act than every administration combined up until that point.
01:05:17.000And one reason why that's now possible is because using electronic record systems, they can track more easily that people had access to particular kinds of records.
01:05:27.000So it's now like technologically possible, you know, to begin more systematically identifying the people who are leaking information for their own secret reasons in some cases.
01:05:36.000So, you know, I'm worried about the Assange case.
01:05:39.000Like, whatever you think of Julian Assange, in the last months of the Trump administration, they decided to add to this indictment, you know, account for having violated the Espionage Act merely for releasing those Classified documents online, okay?
01:05:56.000So what's important about that is that this would be the first time that somebody has been prosecuted, you know, just for sharing what the government considers classified information.
01:06:07.000Now, if Assange is eventually brought to trial and is convicted for that, that's going to be an incredibly important and potentially dangerous precedent.
01:06:13.000Because there are a lot of people out there, including perhaps you and me, you know, who share information the government thinks is classified.
01:06:19.000Could we also be prosecuted under the Espionage Act?
01:06:22.000If you actually read the black letter text of that law, it seems like there are hundreds of millions of people who could be locked up in American jails.
01:06:54.000I was just going to say that's one reason why it's exciting for me because, you know, what you learn over the years, decades, you know, studying government information and the secrets that governments keep, is a lot of times that information is truly dangerous.
01:07:07.000Like it really could get people killed.
01:07:09.000Maybe not every last human being on the planet, but as long as that's possible, people who care about the future of humanity, we have to care about government secrecy as well.
01:07:22.000Oh, well, it's like gallows humor, you know.
01:07:25.000I tell my students on the first day, I teach a class at History of the End of the World, and I say, like, if you can't laugh at things like pandemics and nuclear war, then this may not be the right class for you.
01:07:36.000And I say that in all sincerity, because the only way that I personally can study these horrible subjects like this is if I maintain a sense of humor.
01:07:46.000It's a little bit like that classic film, you know, the Manchurian Kennedy.
01:07:49.000Always with a sense of humor, comrade.
01:08:12.000Yeah, so I spent years studying this stuff because when I first started out as a historian, I wanted to understand how France carried out this murderous war in North Africa.
01:08:22.000Anywhere from half a million to a million people in the end were killed in the course of Algeria's fight for independence.
01:08:28.000I spent months looking at propaganda files in government.
01:08:33.000And, you know, it's one of these things, it's a little bit like pornography, right, as the Supreme Court said, is you know it when you see it.
01:08:40.000But, you know, having seen it from the inside, you can see how it is, you know, even 60 years ago, that's what I'm talking about now, 60 years ago governments were hiring like Madison Avenue firms to advise them on how they could carry out like counterinsurgency operations and make it appealing to the American public.
01:08:57.000And so you can only imagine now what's possible now that they're using things like ChatGPT to create this information.
01:09:04.000They're going to be able to do it now on an industrial scale.
01:09:07.000They'll be able to populate infinite numbers of websites with infinite amounts of false content.
01:09:12.000So yeah, it's just going to get worse.
01:09:46.000And in there, I try to show, you know, not just the things that I discovered, you know, by exploring like millions of these secret documents, but also like what you could now do with data science to turn the tables, like to use the technology of surveillance to begin to surveil our government.
01:10:23.000Remember that bit at the beginning where I pressed, by accident, this button?
01:10:30.000That's a piece of AI that we sort of talk about and I became sort of fixated with because it's such a revolting, disgusting looking object.
01:10:38.000That's the last, first and last thing you will have seen.
01:10:41.000That's so weird because in a way it undermines everything that happened between the... It's like that was the parenthesis of our whole conversation.
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