Stay Free - Russel Brand - Trump Was Right?! What The Durham Report REALLY Means! - #130 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 In this video, I'm going to show you how to make a cool looking firework. This is a firework

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00:00:41.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:43.000 Just to let you know that, um, what happened was, is Donald Trump, right, was collaborating with the Russians, and that's the only reason he won that election, is because, like, otherwise, how could Donald Trump win an election?

00:00:56.000 It's not like people are so disillusioned with democracy and career politicians and the obvious financial corruption that's rife in Washington that someone that used populist rhetoric and had charisma would overcome a plain-as-day career politician and out-and-out cynic like Hillary Clinton.

00:01:14.000 It must have been that the Russians were involved.

00:01:17.000 So finally we've got proof that it was because of Russian cyber hacking that Donald Trump even won the election so I guess he shouldn't have... Oh no, sorry, it's the opposite.

00:01:28.000 Russia weren't involved at all and the mainstream media and the Democrat Party and the FBI conspired to ensure that a theory, a story that never had legs from the get-go was spread everywhere.

00:01:44.000 Let us know in the chat and the comments right now how you feel about what you got called Deep state duplicity!

00:01:51.000 Real life conspiracy!

00:01:53.000 However you feel about Donald Trump, how do you feel about the systems that generate the possibility for new types of populist leaders to emerge?

00:02:03.000 I know a lot of you love Donald Trump and I know a lot of you don't like Donald Trump and we believe that it's the system itself that needs to change and that's the kind of conversation we want to have with you and guess what?

00:02:14.000 We can't have that conversation with you on YouTube because YouTube censors the kind of information that we'll be talking about on Rumble.

00:02:20.000 So there's a link in the description.

00:02:22.000 You click on that.

00:02:23.000 After our 15-20 minutes, we'll be available exclusively on Rumble.

00:02:26.000 And thank God we are, because I'll be talking to Matthew Colony, who's going to talk to us about how the Deep State has been running things for time.

00:02:36.000 That's how long it's been going on.

00:02:37.000 The Deep State are running things, whether it's the CIA... Allegedly.

00:02:41.000 ...murdering JFK.

00:02:44.000 Allegedly.

00:02:46.000 That's what was alleged by RFK on this channel recently.

00:02:48.000 You've got to watch that interview.

00:02:49.000 It's up in full.

00:02:50.000 You can watch it.

00:02:51.000 He says that Lee Harvey Oswald was undoubtedly a CIA operative.

00:02:55.000 Allegedly!

00:02:55.000 You know, I don't think that.

00:02:56.000 Is that controversial still?

00:02:58.000 He said it.

00:02:59.000 Yeah, he said it.

00:03:00.000 Allegedly!

00:03:01.000 So look, we're going to be talking about that.

00:03:02.000 We're going to be talking about the FBI running with this Steele dossier funded by the Clinton campaign.

00:03:08.000 Hillary Clinton personally signing that off.

00:03:11.000 We're going to be talking about how 1.3 million people have access to your most private data and the government spent $18 billion a year preventing you from seeing any of it.

00:03:23.000 So if you want to learn about that, Hate speech?

00:03:25.000 We call it hate speech?

00:03:26.000 Hate speech!

00:03:28.000 attacking the deep state and global corporatism and the total hollowing out of American democracy

00:03:33.000 in order to create a globalist new order where none but the most powerful

00:03:38.000 have any sway over process at all, where simple things like asking water companies

00:03:43.000 to stop polluting the water that they use, where things like making energy companies responsible

00:03:48.000 and ending their subsidies, where things like asking big tech

00:03:51.000 to stop bundling and selling your data, where getting the mainstream media to be honest with you,

00:03:55.000 where all of these things seem impossible now, where the impossibility of ordinary people

00:04:00.000 reaching out in love to one another is daily doubled down on

00:04:03.000 by a hate-generating mainstream media.

00:04:06.000 But if you wanna change all that stuff, join us.

00:04:07.000 That's what we're interested in doing.

00:04:09.000 But first, Elon Musk went out the other night.

00:04:11.000 Look, he ain't even had a shave.

00:04:12.000 Did you see that guy boogieing?

00:04:14.000 Have a look at that.

00:04:15.000 Have a look at him enjoying himself.

00:04:17.000 Look at him go.

00:04:18.000 Look at him go.

00:04:19.000 Have a look.

00:04:20.000 Put it.

00:04:21.000 Okay.

00:04:22.000 What are you saying?

00:04:23.000 No, I just.

00:04:24.000 We're going to go.

00:04:34.000 Well, first of all, that's exactly how I dance, and secondly, I'm amazed that there aren't loads of bodyguards.

00:04:40.000 It might be, they might be off.

00:04:41.000 What do you think those girls might be? 1.00

00:04:42.000 I dance more this style.

00:04:44.000 Oh, this is you dancing?

00:04:45.000 The poor Neil is dancing as well, so you can see that.

00:04:48.000 Let's see, play that VT, that's it, that's well done.

00:04:51.000 I would say...

00:05:04.000 It's the hands in the air moment.

00:05:05.000 Yeah, he's not losing himself there, is he, Elon?

00:05:07.000 No, he's not.

00:05:08.000 I would say that, would you estimate that Elon is on the level, you're speaking euphemistically, in terms of chemical enhanced states?

00:05:17.000 Who knows?

00:05:18.000 Who knows?

00:05:18.000 He's very relaxed.

00:05:19.000 He's not, like, sort of sweating, but he pays a price for it, because even though, like, he was keeping it together on the night itself, have a look at the next day when he's meeting Macron.

00:05:28.000 I don't, like, I don't know how at ease I would be meeting Macron.

00:05:30.000 Macron anyway, especially after a big night out.

00:05:33.000 Get all mashed up.

00:05:34.000 Well, I'm not the worst suggesting that Elon Musk was anything other than on the level, but, like, look at his face when he, like, when they sort of talk to him.

00:05:42.000 You can tell he's trying to hold it together.

00:05:43.000 Check it.

00:05:45.000 Hello everyone.

00:05:49.000 It's the swallow!

00:05:50.000 It's like someone going, hello everyone.

00:05:53.000 Right, right, Elon.

00:05:55.000 That's Mr Macron.

00:05:56.000 He's got to keep himself together for the next five minutes.

00:05:59.000 Amazing.

00:06:01.000 So the main news that we're talking about on the show today is the Durham report.

00:06:05.000 The whole Russiagate thing was just basically made up.

00:06:09.000 Now we can deal with that because we've been telling you for a long time, and you've been telling us, let us know in the comments and the chat if you were surprised by this stuff.

00:06:16.000 That the deep state and global corporations are involved in managing narratives, manipulating power.

00:06:23.000 So when stuff like this happens, it doesn't bother me.

00:06:26.000 Of course, naturally.

00:06:28.000 But how is it for people that are invested in the mainstream media, that believe that by voting for this party over that party, you're doing something meaningful?

00:06:37.000 It actually represents something to them.

00:06:39.000 Like Jake Tapper over on CNN.

00:06:41.000 Let's see him grappling with the facts, which is not something they often do on CNN.

00:06:46.000 Old horse-paced Central.

00:06:47.000 Let's check him out.

00:06:48.000 President Trump appeared so confident of what Durham would find, he openly pressured the special counsel to release his findings before the 2020 election.

00:06:56.000 Regardless, the report is now here, it has dropped, and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans hoped for.

00:07:02.000 It is, regardless, devastating to the FBI, and to a degree it does exonerate Donald Trump.

00:07:10.000 ...does exonerate Donald Trump and, like, of course over at CNN they're still in a sort of Uroboros of self-devouring fury about having had him on CNN.

00:07:22.000 He has been exonerated.

00:07:23.000 That's the only conclusion that can be drawn.

00:07:26.000 We're talking about this story in depth over the course of the coming days and some of the things that particularly struck me, my dear friend and on-screen assistant, was that Hillary personally signed it off from the get-go.

00:07:39.000 They knew that there was nothing in it, that it was funded via the Steele dossier by the Democratic Party.

00:07:47.000 Ultimately, the things that we continually tell you about the mainstream media appear in this instance to have been, as a result of this inquiry, completely verified.

00:07:58.000 Well, they tried to keep that quiet as well, didn't they?

00:08:00.000 About the funding of the Steele dossier.

00:08:02.000 That was one of the things that, you know, was like...

00:08:05.000 Similar to what was alleged about Donald Trump recently.

00:08:07.000 Some of the best quotes I've heard from this.

00:08:09.000 So Durham said in his report, based on the evidence gathered in the multiple exhaustive and costly federal investigations of these matters, including the instant investigation, neither US law enforcement nor the intelligence community appears to have possessed any actual evidence of collusion in their holdings at the commencement of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation.

00:08:31.000 This one's the best one though.

00:08:32.000 Durham knocked the FBI for failing to take steps before launching the Trump campaign investigations such as interviewing relevant witnesses, reviewing its own intelligence databases or using any of the standard atypical tools typically employed by the FBI in evaluating war intelligence.

00:08:49.000 So basically they did anything that they should have done.

00:08:52.000 Any of the things they could have done.

00:08:53.000 So let us know in the chat in the comments what you think and join us over on Locals.

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00:09:01.000 It seems that what this story always was, was confirmation bias.

00:09:05.000 A kind of deep faith that something must be wrong.

00:09:10.000 Something must be right.

00:09:10.000 It can't just be that people are so disillusioned and disenfranchised with the Democrat Party that they are voting for Trump in significant numbers.

00:09:19.000 That there has to be some foreign invasion.

00:09:22.000 There has to be some intervention from alien and easily condemned forces and resources.

00:09:28.000 Simply not true.

00:09:29.000 They knew it wasn't true and they pushed it.

00:09:32.000 Elsewhere in our investigation, we point out that the FBI go, they literally say something they're criminal of.

00:09:37.000 We're glad you've pointed this out, but we've already solved all those problems.

00:09:39.000 We'll never do anything like that again.

00:09:41.000 But since then, they've already done the Hunter Biden stuff.

00:09:43.000 You know how the CIA, I know it's a separate agency, but for the purposes of this, where we're talking about the deep state and the deep state's ability to manipulate political narratives and direct power and resources, I think is very relevant.

00:09:54.000 It's one of the things we were talking to Matthew Connolly, who's an expert in these matters, about later.

00:09:59.000 As well as the amount of money that's spent on keeping information from you and the astonishing number, I think it's 1.3 million people that have access to your most private data.

00:10:08.000 We told you earlier in the week that they are using the horror and the spectre of Mexican drug cartels to sustain legislation bought in after 9-11 in the Patriot Act.

00:10:19.000 The very stuff that Snowden revealed.

00:10:21.000 They're spying on you.

00:10:22.000 They're hoarding all of your data and then if they need it later they'll actually access it. That's what's still happening and that was about

00:10:28.000 to come up for review.

00:10:29.000 It was about to be shut down and they're saying, well we can't shut it down now, not

00:10:32.000 of all these Mexican drug cartels. Now obviously there's room for a variety of

00:10:36.000 views and opinions and one of the people that I respect who's the, I guess you lot

00:10:40.000 would say he's sort of on the left, but God don't you feel like a political

00:10:44.000 Don't you feel that there's no party that represents you in this system?

00:10:47.000 Don't you feel now more than ever that you need a different kind of affinity that's resourced from somewhere deeper, like a spiritual place?

00:10:54.000 Anyhow, Jon Stewart says in this flurry of tweets and sort of well-liked, well-regarded tweets... This is about the Trump-CNN town hall appearance.

00:11:01.000 I guess he is talking about that, but it's difficult not to... Well, I don't know, Gareth.

00:11:05.000 I mean, I see it as, in a sense, that...

00:11:07.000 My personal view on Trump is that he's a berserker that's gone into the system that's not able to be manipulated in the ordinary fashion of a career politician or even a sort of someone that's a legacy politician like George W. Bush, let alone career politicians like Biden, Clinton and presumably Obama, certainly from the way he behaved in office.

00:11:25.000 That Trump is a contentious yet popular figure because of the manner of his rhetoric and again I will reiterate that I don't see Donald Trump as the solution but let's have a look at this like flurry of tweets from Jon Stewart who I personally admire both as a comic and as a sort of a public figure.

00:11:42.000 The problem with the Trump Town Hall wasn't platforming or a fragile, siloed audience unable to be exposed to newsworthy opinions.

00:11:48.000 I would say that both audiences, whether he's referring to the presumably pro-Trump audience in the room or the ordinary regular CNN audience...

00:11:58.000 That's got to cut both ways.

00:11:59.000 The silos argument has to cut both ways.

00:12:03.000 Look at dear old Jake Tippy Tappy Tapper, trying to make his way through that information, trying to mitigate it.

00:12:10.000 Even though the Republicans didn't get everything they wanted, it does seem that Donald Trump has been exonerated.

00:12:16.000 An audience to be exposed to newsworthy opinions, antithetical to their own.

00:12:19.000 The problem was an event that was clearly negotiated to Trump's approval and owed to Axis. 0.87

00:12:24.000 But, as is being covered in succession, and you'll see our analysis of that show later this week.

00:12:29.000 It's really good.

00:12:30.000 I think you'll enjoy it.

00:12:31.000 It shows you that really, the news is a TV show.

00:12:35.000 The version of reality presented to us through the contrivances of the deep state and the global corporatist agenda is a kind of simulacrum, a spectacle of reality.

00:12:46.000 If it's necessary to have Trump on TV, even though you purport to loathe Trump, you're going to have Trump on TV.

00:12:52.000 Now, I know a lot of you guys like Trump, right?

00:12:55.000 You like him.

00:12:56.000 And we don't see either political party as the solution.

00:13:01.000 I'm always interested in hearing Jon Stewart's views.

00:13:04.000 I think the whole thing with Trump stuff as well.

00:13:06.000 First of all, you're absolutely right.

00:13:07.000 CNN got massive ratings.

00:13:08.000 So they got what they wanted.

00:13:11.000 Of course, it was always going to work and it did work.

00:13:11.000 It worked.

00:13:13.000 I think one of the points that I heard this week as well is, you know, CNN, because there's been a lot of apparently internal strife at CNN of people saying we shouldn't have had him on and was it right that we did that?

00:13:22.000 But the point is, you know, CNN saying, you know, Trump this, Trump that, I think even Anderson Cooper is still saying, I think he said on Monday, something about how he was doubling down still on, we know that Russia and Trump were involved together, even after this stuff has come out.

00:13:36.000 But you don't see on CNN them interviewing Marianne Williamson or RFK, do you?

00:13:40.000 No!

00:13:41.000 So they only, you know, if you're saying we need to represent everyone, that's why we got Trump on, that's the point of us being a news network, Well then represent the other side as well, represent these people.

00:13:51.000 Their power comes from limiting the size of the frame by prescribing what information that we are able to discuss and gain access to, presenting pejoratively any opinions antithetical to the state agenda.

00:14:05.000 So yeah, so that's the interesting stuff from him.

00:14:07.000 But on that note, RFK has been banned from Instagram.

00:14:10.000 That seems odd to ban a presidential candidate from a mainstream platform.

00:14:15.000 He's been banned for a a while. I think this is ongoing actually. I think this ban

00:14:20.000 has gone on for a while.

00:14:22.000 It's just like an interesting piece of perception about the fact that we've now got a presidential

00:14:27.000 candidate banned from one of the major platforms. We've had Marianne Williamson on the show,

00:14:31.000 we've had RF Kerr on the show.

00:14:33.000 His interview is up on Rumble right now and it's fantastic.

00:14:35.000 There are things that he said, in particular about Anthony Fauci.

00:14:39.000 There are things he said about who manufactured certain response medications that are staggering.

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00:14:55.000 Excuse me, and put your questions to RFK, although I'll be honest.

00:14:58.000 When I was doing it it was very difficult to interrupt a man who was talking about like you know sort of spies from the KGB coming around his house and doing Cossack dancing while he's a kid.

00:15:07.000 The red bat phone to Khrushchev that his dad would sometimes use. 0.75

00:15:10.000 Not to mention these more significant revelations around the pandemic.

00:15:14.000 The assassination of his uncle and indeed his father.

00:15:18.000 It's an incredible conversation.

00:15:20.000 And for me, the issues raised and enshrined by RFK, as well as his willingness to talk about them publicly, is going to be significant in the time between now and the election.

00:15:32.000 This will prevent it being an anodyne, banal, Biden-style conversation around power.

00:15:39.000 Did you see?

00:15:40.000 I think Trump came out either today or yesterday saying that if he gets in, he'll release all the JFK files.

00:15:45.000 So it's interesting that you feel like RFK may even be affecting that side now as well

00:15:50.000 in some of the things that he's saying that he would do.

00:15:52.000 They want absolute control.

00:15:54.000 That's why there's new legislation being passed in all of the Five Eyes countries.

00:15:57.000 Those are the anglophonic nation who Edward Snowden revealed share the data of their partners 0.90

00:16:03.000 with one another to get round domestic spying laws.

00:16:06.000 You're not supposed to spy on your own domestic population.

00:16:09.000 As Snowden revealed, your government does spy on you and one of the techniques is stockpiling

00:16:14.000 that data and then like New Zealand will spy on the English people. 0.96

00:16:18.000 The English people will spy on the Australian people and it's like a little circle jerk 0.73

00:16:22.000 wife swap of espionage and it sickens me and it's got to stop.

00:16:26.000 And that's why I'm talking to Matthew Connolly later about deep state power.

00:16:31.000 But we can only do that exclusively on Rumble.

00:16:34.000 And because free speech is so important to us, why would we deny it to you?

00:16:37.000 If you're not with us on Locals already, join us there now.

00:16:40.000 There's a red button on your screen.

00:16:42.000 Do you want to join us on locals where we can see your questions. Look at

00:16:46.000 this Cypher 2000 saying temp needs to clean house, drain the swamp. Circle of mistrust

00:16:50.000 says Klawn, true chimera. I sort of like the dude. I think are you talking 0.99

00:16:54.000 about RFK? Who you guys talking about? Anyway, hit us up over there. Click on that

00:16:58.000 button. There's no charge at all. Although there is great content to be

00:17:01.000 accessed down the line if you get into it. Time now to celebrate your free speech in

00:17:07.000 an item that we call Now, the title sequence has been created by an intern here, although I do believe we pay Young Jack, don't we?

00:17:15.000 That doesn't seem like a good investment.

00:17:18.000 Legally, we have to.

00:17:19.000 We have to pay him because of the law.

00:17:20.000 If it was not the law, we simply wouldn't do it.

00:17:23.000 Let's have a look at what he's created.

00:17:24.000 So it's time for your comments and your views, your free speech, because this is a free speech platform, in an item we call Freech.

00:17:31.000 Let's see what he's done with it.

00:17:33.000 Have the word free and the word speech going together like this.

00:17:36.000 Free speech.

00:17:38.000 And then all the fireworks come off it.

00:17:39.000 Free-ch, free-ch, like that.

00:17:41.000 And then that's it.

00:17:43.000 Right, well what he's done, that's sarcastic isn't it?

00:17:46.000 It is sarcastic.

00:17:46.000 Because what he's done there is he's simply got, I described how to do it in a recent episode because in the last one, the last title sequence, I mean show the last title sequence.

00:17:54.000 That's actually very clever what he's done there because there's literally nothing you can say about it.

00:17:59.000 There is.

00:18:00.000 I can say that that was a starting point.

00:18:02.000 That was a starting point.

00:18:03.000 Now employ your expertise.

00:18:05.000 Pull up the previous thing that you had before.

00:18:07.000 Show us what you had last time.

00:18:09.000 Your comments.

00:18:10.000 Yeah, like when it was called your comments or whatever.

00:18:13.000 Free.

00:18:13.000 Also, look how offensive that font is that he's used there.

00:18:16.000 It's as basic as they come, isn't it?

00:18:18.000 It's blocky and awful.

00:18:19.000 Well, the first one is from Woollyhead, a member of our Locals community, that you can join.

00:18:23.000 There's a red button on your screen.

00:18:24.000 Woollyhead says, leave Jack alone.

00:18:24.000 Click on that now.

00:18:26.000 He has a big future, not in graphic design, but somewhere less creative.

00:18:30.000 Let's have a look at Jack, how he's responding to all this.

00:18:32.000 There he is now.

00:18:35.000 Oh, what a sweet lad trying his best.

00:18:37.000 And then, uh, Gareth's title should be Good Shirt Guy.

00:18:41.000 Okay, let's try that.

00:18:43.000 Could you create us a garish and awful graphic for that, Jack?

00:18:47.000 Watching the show while doing extreme sports.

00:18:48.000 This is Sakrin.

00:18:49.000 This episode was so funny I sprained my ankle while skateboarding.

00:18:53.000 I don't think you should be watching the show while skateboarding.

00:18:57.000 Skateboarding?

00:18:58.000 That seems dangerous.

00:18:58.000 Although, you can listen to it as a podcast.

00:19:00.000 Wherever you get your podcasts, you can listen to this show.

00:19:03.000 Yeah, that seems more plausible and less lethal.

00:19:07.000 Let me see what else.

00:19:10.000 Thanks for bringing me the news.

00:19:11.000 I stopped watching the news in 2021.

00:19:13.000 It made me feel sick, said Izzy Bean.

00:19:15.000 Feech, baby.

00:19:16.000 We could make such great merch out of the word feech. 0.88

00:19:16.000 Feech. 0.88

00:19:19.000 It's such a Potentially fantastic asset some people pointing out that our item about this week in history showed in the photo We showed the first ever McDonald's advert and it showcased a man called Willard Scott who if you're American you care about There's some stuff here about

00:19:36.000 Pfizer vaccines and all sorts of stuff.

00:19:38.000 Allegedly!

00:19:39.000 As soon as I just say that name, even if I've not said anything.

00:19:42.000 Have a look at the art.

00:19:43.000 Before we leave the item for each, which is brilliant, and Gareth, please pick a few comments of your own.

00:19:47.000 Have a look at what Jack did previously that led me to give him the opportunity to create that meta-ironic and sarcastic piece of graphics that you've just seen.

00:19:56.000 It's the very sort of thing we've come to expect from Gen Z, but this is his previous effort. 0.99

00:20:00.000 Have a look.

00:20:02.000 Hit your comments! 0.60

00:20:06.000 Hit your comments! 0.60

00:20:08.000 You've got mail!

00:20:09.000 That's so bad, isn't it?

00:20:10.000 It's like offensively bad on sort of every single level because it's like the sort of like slightly folky jokey vocal, the terrible you've got mail.

00:20:19.000 I don't know what they're... I actually would like... Makes you angry, doesn't it?

00:20:22.000 Yeah.

00:20:22.000 I want to interview them and say, what do you think you're doing?

00:20:24.000 Right.

00:20:25.000 Like, I don't know.

00:20:26.000 I can see what you are doing.

00:20:27.000 Listen, in a minute, we're going to... Oh, do you have any bits of content you want to read?

00:20:27.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 No, well, Bexy Bex says, when's RFK coming back on the show?

00:20:34.000 Amazing interview.

00:20:35.000 So when are you ready for that?

00:20:36.000 We will get RFK back on because we have made this decision.

00:20:40.000 We are going to showcase and platform RFK because I think that he will alter the debate.

00:20:46.000 I'm sure that a democratic party that stymies and ultimately negates the popularity of Bernie Sanders through the internal party mechanics is going to give pretty short shrift to a guy that's saying he's going to disband the CIA, that JFK was a CIA asset that they then went on to...

00:21:06.000 I'm going to say what he said about the pandemic, Antony Fauci.

00:21:12.000 I'm going to say what he said about Antony Fauci.

00:21:15.000 They are going to shut that guy down hard.

00:21:17.000 But the fact is, with independent media, he is going to have a voice.

00:21:21.000 And because of the stuff he's talking about, it's the very things that we care about.

00:21:24.000 So he will be coming back soon.

00:21:26.000 I've got his number and I've been communicating with him.

00:21:30.000 We'll get Marianne Williamson.

00:21:32.000 Marianne believes that we always talk about the necessity for significant systemic change.

00:21:39.000 That's why later in the week when we talked to former MI5 operative Ami Mashon, I raised with her the possibility of disbanding MI5, FBI, CIA.

00:21:48.000 She of course will say that there's good people in those organizations such as there are great people in the police force teaching professors professions, national health or medical professions, but

00:21:57.000 they, within their institutions, it's difficult to succeed because the

00:22:01.000 institutions all become corralled either to minimizing expenditure or servicing the

00:22:06.000 needs of powerful establishment elites. Either that or they just don't

00:22:10.000 do the work as is the case with this Trump case. Yeah. Let's find out. Did you do

00:22:15.000 even the rudimentary checks? Not rudimentary ones, no.

00:22:19.000 We didn't do those.

00:22:19.000 We just went on and just promulgated this story throughout the mainstream media with our allies over at CNN, without checking if it was remotely true.

00:22:28.000 Willful negligence.

00:22:29.000 Also, from the mainstream media, we're going to be talking to our friend Charlie Langton, who you might remember from his... is it...

00:22:36.000 May the 4th or May 20th, the one where you're allowed to smoke marijuana and stuff in America.

00:22:42.000 He did a very amusing report for Fox News and sometimes we like to talk to mainstream reporters to see what sort of stuff they do and say hey listen we're going to leave if you're on YouTube remember in a minute we're going to be talking to Matthew Connolly about the Deep State, about the 1.3 million Americans who have access to your top-secret information.

00:23:03.000 They can spy on you, but they spend billions preventing you knowing what they're doing.

00:23:08.000 So click on the link, join us on Rumble and even on Locals if you want to by pressing the red button and becoming a member of a thriving and loving community over there.

00:23:17.000 Right, let's have a look at our item about mainstream media reports and see what the graphics team have come up with for this.

00:23:24.000 God bless them.

00:23:33.000 And why isn't Ron Burgundy animated?

00:23:36.000 So little effort.

00:23:36.000 Why that colour?

00:23:38.000 Why that graphic?

00:23:39.000 Why those colours?

00:23:41.000 He might be a genius.

00:23:43.000 Like, that's the only... Yeah.

00:23:45.000 You mean, after we're all dead, people might go, they'll be like, God, he's amazing.

00:23:49.000 Actually, these were good.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:50.000 Okay, so in case you don't remember who Charlie Langton is, can we show this?

00:23:54.000 Yeah, because it's actually casual drug use in this, which also you can't show on YouTube, which is an odd thing, isn't it?

00:23:59.000 You can't show people just smoking weed.

00:24:01.000 Yeah, we got this video that we did last week, demonetised.

00:24:05.000 Demonetised!

00:24:06.000 Yeah, there they go.

00:24:06.000 What did you do?

00:24:07.000 Well, then we... Because I'm blaming you.

00:24:09.000 No, I mean, it's just, it wasn't showing this, it was just talking about marijuana and just like, you know, some of the legal stuff that's going on with marijuana at the moment.

00:24:17.000 They took Rachel Maddow saying you can get a vaccine, you won't spread it.

00:24:21.000 That's still up.

00:24:21.000 That's there.

00:24:23.000 Okay, good.

00:24:23.000 As long as it's fair.

00:24:24.000 All right, let's have a look at old Charlie Langton hanging out and smoking doobies.

00:24:30.000 Smoking on the news!

00:24:32.000 Hit it, Charlie! 0.92

00:24:32.000 Smoke it, man! 0.92

00:24:34.000 Hit it, man! 0.99

00:24:35.000 Hit it, Charlie! 0.92

00:24:37.000 That holiday, 4-20, April 20th, celebrating everything pot.

00:24:42.000 How are you celebrating it today?

00:24:44.000 Like this, you know what I'm saying?

00:24:45.000 Smoking weed, you know what I'm saying?

00:24:51.000 Charlie, are you there from Fox News?

00:24:54.000 Are you with us?

00:24:55.000 Have you joined us?

00:24:57.000 Yes, I am!

00:24:58.000 And I haven't had anything, I'm totally sober!

00:25:01.000 Are you?

00:25:02.000 Charlie, you were taking recreational drugs or medical drugs, depends on how you frame it.

00:25:09.000 What was the impact of that on you, mate?

00:25:12.000 I'm good.

00:25:12.000 Uh, nothing.

00:25:13.000 But the people on 420, the day that they, apparently they smoked marijuana out in the open, and we went to the west side of Detroit, which is kind of an area of Detroit that's a, you know, it's a little poverty area, that type of thing.

00:25:13.000 Me was good.

00:25:25.000 But people were celebrating.

00:25:26.000 They were having a great time.

00:25:28.000 It is legal in Michigan, and in particular Detroit, to smoke marijuana out in the open.

00:25:35.000 I think you have to be 21.

00:25:36.000 There may be a couple little things, a couple little rules, But pretty much that's it, and 420 is a day that really has been adopted by pretty much all over the United States.

00:25:44.000 Maybe not as much as the people I found, I admit, it may be a little extreme, but they were having fun.

00:25:51.000 It's kind of like the St.

00:25:52.000 Patrick's Day celebration, the drinking of the green beer, for those that like that, with pot, marijuana, joints, blunts, and they were having a great time, they really were.

00:26:03.000 Charlie, I get the sense from speaking with you that you've worked in the media for a long time.

00:26:08.000 How do you feel that the modern media landscape has become sort of cleaved into these various tributaries of opposition and hate?

00:26:19.000 What do you think about the revelation that the FBI pushed that story about Russiagate?

00:26:26.000 How do you feel about the sort of lack of trust in media organizations?

00:26:30.000 And if you can tie in the sort of payoff from your lot for the Dominion machines into this

00:26:35.000 and the sort of stuff that's going on into Tucker into just a broad sketch about how

00:26:39.000 the media mainstream media landscape has changed in the time you've been there and where we

00:26:43.000 find ourselves now, bringing in all those kinds of stories.

00:26:46.000 I'd love your perspective.

00:26:48.000 Well, so before I got into media, I'm a lawyer and I practiced law for 25 years before I

00:26:53.000 I did anything on television or radio.

00:26:56.000 So for me, I wanted to get into the media because I think there's an element of Of stories.

00:27:05.000 I know it sounds cliche, but you can tell a story.

00:27:08.000 And I mean, I can relate it to the pot thing about how we've changed.

00:27:12.000 The laws have changed and the attitude has changed.

00:27:14.000 I mean, smoking many, many years ago was totally acceptable.

00:27:17.000 Now it's not.

00:27:18.000 You know, they had to have a massive campaign to put your seatbelt on a car.

00:27:21.000 Now it's automatic.

00:27:23.000 So I think that the media can I think it reflects culture in a way that, if I did this, I could never do the pot story on the weed bus five years ago.

00:27:36.000 I probably couldn't do it three years ago.

00:27:38.000 I did it last year, but this year it evolves.

00:27:41.000 And I think I think mainstream media is entertainment.

00:27:46.000 In my view, it's got to be an element of entertainment.

00:27:51.000 50%, 60%, whatever the story is.

00:27:53.000 Obviously, on a triple murder on the east side of Detroit, it's not going to be as ha-ha entertaining.

00:27:59.000 But there still has to be an element of where we want people to relate to it.

00:28:04.000 So, you know, we can do a hate piece, and I do think sometimes media types tend to maybe over-serious the story.

00:28:13.000 It doesn't need to be.

00:28:15.000 Tell the story as if you know it, as if it can relate to anybody out there.

00:28:19.000 And what is the point of a story?

00:28:21.000 If we're looking for a barricaded gun or something, that's fine.

00:28:24.000 If it's pot, if it's just smoking and people having fun and don't judge at how we've evolved, then that's it.

00:28:31.000 Yes, no doubt news media has started to center not only on entertainment, but on getting views.

00:28:38.000 And I feel that Tucker was a particular, let's say, genius in that space.

00:28:42.000 Someone who spoke in exactly the manner that you described.

00:28:46.000 While being intelligent and not patronizing to an audience, he was able to convey information in a way that made it Relatable.

00:28:53.000 Now, I imagine being a lawyer and a Fox employee, there are numerous reasons why you can't answer that question with total transparency.

00:29:00.000 But again, to talk about how the media has become the focus of so much derision.

00:29:05.000 How do you think that contemporary news media will survive when there is so much derision and criticism and mistrust?

00:29:14.000 When there is so much partisanship with CNN and MSNBC saying Fox is the worst thing in the world. 0.99

00:29:19.000 With Fox saying that they're snowflakes and they're like, you know, full of crap and stuff. 0.98

00:29:23.000 How do you feel the media is going to have to evolve and adapt? 0.99

00:29:27.000 Do you think it will be by becoming more partisan?

00:29:30.000 How do you feel it relates to stories like the one that I mentioned, like with the, you know, the FBI and the mainstream media collaborating to create the Russiagate story and, you know, and also the media becoming part of the story as through the aforementioned Dominion thing?

00:29:44.000 But I think, I think with the Dominion, I think with Fox, I think that if I'm a conservative person and I love Donald Trump and I want to see him run again, I'm going to listen to Fox.

00:29:52.000 I'm going to watch Fox.

00:29:53.000 I'm going to, you know, I'm going to curse the day that they got rid of Tucker Carlson.

00:29:57.000 It's not going to change.

00:29:59.000 If I am, if I love Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden, I'm going to watch MSNBC and I'm going to hate Fox.

00:30:05.000 And I think that we're often, we peg ourselves, if I want to be a good conservative, I'm going to watch and do everything that the Fox people say.

00:30:13.000 Listen, media's a smart people.

00:30:15.000 They know that there's an audience out there.

00:30:17.000 And they know that they can play to the audience.

00:30:19.000 Give me a... In the United States, where's one station that you would automatically say is neutral?

00:30:26.000 It's right down.

00:30:27.000 Or it's there for entertainment.

00:30:28.000 Maybe the cooking channel.

00:30:30.000 Okay, but other than if it's a news station, I think that we have evolved on a network side.

00:30:34.000 I think there's a bent, there's a slant.

00:30:37.000 And I think that the advertisers, they understand that.

00:30:40.000 They'll go and they'll advertise.

00:30:43.000 I don't know if strip clubs would advertise on certain channels.

00:30:47.000 Not that we can now anyway, but there's always a market out there.

00:30:52.000 I do local news.

00:30:53.000 Some of the stories like this one went national, but most of the time it's local.

00:30:58.000 And I think the local, Local's a little bit different.

00:31:01.000 We need traffic and weather is very important to us over here.

00:31:04.000 And you know, did our Tiger baseball team win or lose?

00:31:08.000 And how do we celebrate 420?

00:31:09.000 That's not really a partisan issue.

00:31:12.000 I do think, though, when we get into the network level, for the most part, there's going to be a slant.

00:31:16.000 I don't see that changing.

00:31:17.000 I think that's going to stay.

00:31:19.000 Yeah, it's interesting when you have a story like CNN giving Trump that town hall and then going into a sort of orgy of coruscation and self-exhoration.

00:31:30.000 After is an interesting litmus test for where the media finds itself.

00:31:35.000 It requires the views.

00:31:37.000 It needs to take a strong, apparently ethical stance, but those ethics don't often hold up to scrutiny

00:31:45.000 because the ultimate requirement is to get views.

00:31:48.000 I'm interested in local news, actually, Charlie, because I feel that the more power and information

00:31:54.000 are decentralized, the more a community feels that they are being spoken to peer to peer

00:31:59.000 rather than being spoken down to by didactic and condescending media.

00:32:04.000 I think that's a great improvement.

00:32:06.000 I think the creation of communities that share views while continuing to recognize we all have stuff in common with one another is important.

00:32:13.000 I think that's an interesting distinction you've drawn there about local news.

00:32:16.000 It feels like you are part of that community somewhat.

00:32:19.000 I think I can make an argument that, you know, Donald Trump, for example, whether you love him or hate him, he's great for viewing.

00:32:24.000 And I think that the fact that CNN is... And I watch CNN, I watch MSNBC, I watch Fox, I watch them all on the network.

00:32:32.000 But I think that when they're going to...

00:32:34.000 They're not going to end at Trump.

00:32:35.000 Trump is a lightning rod, and I think that a lot of the Democrats perceive that they want Trump to run because he's going to divide the party.

00:32:41.000 Locally, in Michigan, the Republican Party, some would argue because of Trump, has destroyed the Republican Party.

00:32:48.000 Now you have Republicans fighting each other Republicans.

00:32:51.000 Now I'm not saying that on our local level that we're going to be so partisan as the network, but I do think that there's going to be a lot of talk about Donald Trump, how it's, the CNN, the MSNBC, the more traditional liberal media, they're going to be talking and they're basically going to say, let's talk about Trump every single day because he's a divisive, he's divisive and it helps Democrats in the Long run.

00:33:12.000 We just went through a big abortion debate.

00:33:12.000 Abortion.

00:33:14.000 Our Supreme Court struck down Roe vs. Wade.

00:33:17.000 Okay, Democrats, they harped on that.

00:33:19.000 They said, we're going to die to Roe vs. Wade.

00:33:21.000 Oh my God!

00:33:22.000 It's the end of the world!

00:33:23.000 Well, maybe it was.

00:33:25.000 People came out to the polls.

00:33:27.000 People tend to vote when they're mad, and they did.

00:33:29.000 And as a result, at least here in Michigan, Republicans lost every single race, all of the major statewide races for governor, attorney general, secretary of state, etc.

00:33:38.000 So, I do think the media, though, Again, on the network level, I think that they're looking for things that are lightning rods, whether they get people to mad one way or another.

00:33:48.000 And I think the Republicans now have to take a little bit of a step back and say, what issue is really going to get our party, the conservative party, to really go out there and vote?

00:34:00.000 And I don't think it's happening so much on the local level, although Donald Trump's going to be in Michigan in about another month, I think it is, and oh wow, I mean, we will have I mean it's gonna be a circus and I hope I can cover that one.

00:34:12.000 You'll be all over that Charlie.

00:34:13.000 Take a couple of doobies.

00:34:15.000 Do what you do best. 0.98

00:34:17.000 Use your legal skills and your love of recreational and medical marijuana to get the best damn Donald Trump interview that the world has seen. 0.79

00:34:25.000 Charlie, thank you so much for giving us those insights and for sharing your time with us. 0.68

00:34:29.000 Thank you so much, I appreciate it.

00:34:31.000 Thank you!

00:34:32.000 You can follow Charlie Langton over on Fox, particularly if you're in Michigan and Detroit and those kind of areas.

00:34:38.000 I'll be watching more of Charlie's stuff.

00:34:40.000 It makes sense that Charlie's a lawyer because he spoke with a lot of clarity.

00:34:43.000 Yes he did.

00:34:44.000 Yeah, Charlie knows what he's doing.

00:34:46.000 Listen, we've got a fantastic conversation coming up.

00:34:48.000 We're going to be speaking with Matthew Connolly about the influence and nefarious insidious power of the deep state, the way that they are able to assert and exert power and control in a manner that you may not have even speculated on before, unless you are a well-versed and well-read viewer of our channel.

00:35:05.000 Before that, we are... Oh, yeah, well, Putin has put his nuclear forces on high alert.

00:35:13.000 In other news, we're probably all going to be dead soon.

00:35:16.000 And what's the thing that we were pairing it with?

00:35:17.000 Oh yeah, like when CNN put Trump on there for that town hall and it became, once again, a culturally bifurcating issue, one area that struck us as significant here on Stay Free was Trump's refusal to, in a trite manner, say, oh, I support Ukraine or Russia, which sort of amount to... Who do you want to Who do you want to win?

00:35:42.000 Come on, mate.

00:35:43.000 Who do you think's the artist?

00:35:44.000 Like, it just comes down to a new form of patriotism, carrying the message, whatever.

00:35:48.000 And really, I can't help but think that Trump's point that what's required is a diplomatic and peaceful solution is one worth investigating.

00:35:56.000 We have done exactly that.

00:35:57.000 In our item, here's the news.

00:35:59.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:36:01.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:36:03.000 Here's the news. 1.00

00:36:04.000 No, here's the fucking news. 1.00

00:36:07.000 Trump was on CNN! 1.00

00:36:09.000 Grrr! 0.89

00:36:10.000 For all his flaws, what's more important?

00:36:12.000 Trump or Putin putting nuclear weapons on high alert, meaning that stopping the war might be a good thing?

00:36:18.000 Or still, grrr, Trump?

00:36:20.000 I don't know!

00:36:20.000 Which one?

00:36:23.000 Trump being on CNN has been derided by some as platforming a dangerous lunatic, celebrated by others as a return to form by a brilliant orator.

00:36:34.000 Where do you stand?

00:36:35.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments.

00:36:36.000 But what are What I'd like to focus on, if I may, if it's okay with you guys, is the moment where he talks about the necessity for ending the conflict, ending the war.

00:36:44.000 And the person that was interrogating him or questioning Trump kept saying, yeah, but whose side are you on?

00:36:49.000 Whose side are you on?

00:36:50.000 Pick a team!

00:36:51.000 Pick a team!

00:36:52.000 Hundreds of thousands of people are dying.

00:36:54.000 Russian people, Ukrainian people, human beings, sons and daughters and people's relatives, people that are beloved are dying in a war.

00:37:02.000 To some degree it seems to me because it's financially beneficial to prolong it.

00:37:07.000 I don't know if I'm being incredibly 1960s counterculture, war is a bad thing here, that we should be ending wars and looking for peace because it's always better for everyone and it's where we'll arrive eventually.

00:37:18.000 I don't know if that's a Outmoded, outdated mentality.

00:37:21.000 It used to be popular in the countercultural movement.

00:37:24.000 So, let's have a look at a bit of that CNN town hall.

00:37:27.000 Let's talk about Putin saying that they are on nuclear high alert now, which is essentially saying we're getting ready for a nuclear war.

00:37:34.000 And let's assess, as individuals and as a culture, whether or not we want to continue The current administration has made it clear that we should continue to provide military equipment to Ukraine so that they can defend themselves.

00:37:46.000 any of that territory back if all it's going to lead to is more death and more violence.

00:37:51.000 How is that the liberal position?

00:37:53.000 Let's have a look at that town hall thing.

00:37:55.000 The current administration has made it clear that we should continue to provide military

00:37:59.000 equipment to Ukraine so that they can defend themselves.

00:38:03.000 Do you support this decision and how would you deal with the increasing threat posed

00:38:07.000 by Vladimir Putin?

00:38:08.000 First of all, thank you very much.

00:38:10.000 It's really nice.

00:38:11.000 And it's an important question.

00:38:13.000 So important.

00:38:14.000 Because we're giving away so much equipment.

00:38:16.000 We don't have ammunition for ourselves right now.

00:38:18.000 We don't have ammunition for ourselves.

00:38:20.000 We're giving away so much.

00:38:21.000 Absolutely.

00:38:21.000 Do you want Ukraine to win this war?

00:38:23.000 It's amazing, isn't it?

00:38:24.000 Because first of all, for all of their grandstanding critiquing and condemning of Donald Trump, when it comes to it, CNN will have Trump on for one reason and one reason only.

00:38:35.000 People will watch Donald Trump on the television.

00:38:38.000 And in a way, OK, if that's your position, but don't spend all of your time pretending that you really hate Donald Trump and then be caught in some weird kind of codependent tango with someone that you apparently loathe.

00:38:53.000 Really, it reveals this, that the aesthetics and inflections of left v. right are little more than a tribal livery that's used to attract the appropriate audience and utilize the appropriate market in spend.

00:39:08.000 They don't actually care at all.

00:39:11.000 I don't think in terms of winning and losing.

00:39:14.000 I think in terms of getting it settled so we stop killing all these people and breaking down this country.

00:39:19.000 Even if you disagree with Trump, even if you have concerns around Donald Trump, surely that is correct, isn't it?

00:39:26.000 And if that's an incredibly reductive and simplistic opinion, then what was the whole anti-war movement of the 60s?

00:39:32.000 What was the anti-Vietnam movement?

00:39:34.000 What was the civil rights movement of the late 60s?

00:39:36.000 Oh, you're being naive!

00:39:37.000 Just leave things as they are!

00:39:39.000 Think that by any chance that perspective plays into the hands of Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, General Electric.

00:39:46.000 You don't think they benefit from people going, this is just how it is, what would you do?

00:39:49.000 Leave Ukraine today?

00:39:50.000 And of course, no country on the earth is suffering more as a result of this prolonged conflict than Ukraine and its population.

00:39:56.000 None.

00:39:57.000 So at some point, diplomacy and peace have to be discussed.

00:40:00.000 And I'm not saying that Donald Trump is the answer.

00:40:02.000 I know a lot of you think Donald Trump is, and I know loads of you think Donald Trump definitely isn't.

00:40:06.000 But peace is the answer.

00:40:08.000 What do you... Can I just follow up on that?

00:40:10.000 You said you don't think in terms of winning and losing.

00:40:13.000 Mr. President, can I just follow up on that because that's a really important statement that you just made there.

00:40:17.000 Can you say if you want Ukraine or Russia to win this war?

00:40:21.000 I want everybody to stop dying.

00:40:24.000 In a way, that is a secondary point, isn't it?

00:40:26.000 Who do you want to win?

00:40:27.000 Russia or Ukraine?

00:40:28.000 Let's think about, like, the war between America and Japan.

00:40:32.000 Was it the right thing to bomb Nagasaki and Hiroshima? 0.98

00:40:35.000 Would you do that now?

00:40:36.000 If you were the person that had to press the button to kill the people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, would you feel 100% confident doing that?

00:40:42.000 Or the wars in Korea?

00:40:43.000 Or the war in Afghanistan?

00:40:44.000 Did America win?

00:40:45.000 Did Afghanistan win?

00:40:47.000 Winning is a reductive, jingoistic kind of perspective that in the old days, and when I say old days, I mean like Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, like 10, 15 years ago, that would have been a right-wing position.

00:41:00.000 What the questioner is essentially saying is you better now say you support Ukraine because even though this isn't a proxy war, that's where US military might, through the military-industrial complex, is being expended.

00:41:12.000 And if you don't pay homage, then you are with the baddies.

00:41:15.000 Aren't we a little more sophisticated than that in this day and age?

00:41:18.000 Particularly if your critiques of Donald Trump are based on his lack of sophistication as a statesman and, you know, obviously the kind of moral issues that have come up.

00:41:25.000 They're dying.

00:41:26.000 Russians and Ukrainians.

00:41:28.000 I want them to stop dying.

00:41:30.000 And I'll have that done.

00:41:32.000 I'll have that done in 24 hours.

00:41:34.000 Old school Donald Trump puts a timescale on it.

00:41:36.000 That'll be done in a day.

00:41:38.000 24 hours, I'll have it done.

00:41:39.000 When it comes to what's happening there, when you were in office, you said that you respected President Putin.

00:41:43.000 Do you still respect him today?

00:41:46.000 He made a tremendous mistake.

00:41:48.000 He was a smart guy, you know?

00:41:49.000 I remember I said he was smart, she was smart.

00:41:52.000 Putin made a bad mistake, in my opinion.

00:41:54.000 What was his mistake?

00:41:55.000 His mistake was going in.

00:41:56.000 He would have never gone in if I was president.

00:41:58.000 Okay, so let's give this some financial context.

00:42:01.000 The Biden administration on Tuesday announced a new $1.2 billion weapons package for Ukraine that includes an additional 155mm artillery ammunition and air defence systems, while British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace confirmed on Thursday that London is providing Ukraine with longer range missiles, marking another escalation of NATO support for Kiev.

00:42:20.000 So however you see this funding, whether you see it as necessary for a humanitarian effort or whatever way you package that in your own mind, it is prolonging the conflict.

00:42:30.000 Estonian President Alar Karis this week said that Western leaders must prepare for the possibility of Russia delivering on its nuclear threats.

00:42:37.000 There are very few people who are close to Putin who actually know, but he's definitely not insane, at least in medical terms.

00:42:43.000 That means he knows exactly what he's doing, Karis said, about the Russian dictator's mentality.

00:42:48.000 If Russia is becoming very desperate, then, and I wouldn't say by accident, but even maybe deliberately, they might push a button.

00:42:55.000 This comes as Vladimir Putin has put his nuclear forces on high alert.

00:42:59.000 Russia is alleged to have begun large-scale nuke exercises, including activating its central command system, dubbed Monolith.

00:43:07.000 Ukrainian spies reported that Russia has begun exercises of its nukes, including all elements of the nuclear triad, submarines, missiles, and warplanes.

00:43:15.000 The nuclear forces are reportedly on the highest levels of combat readiness.

00:43:19.000 Me, as a person continually like you, deluged with media information, continually consuming crisis, my whole life really consumed by 9-11, economic crash, pandemic, this crisis mind that we've had inculcated over decades past.

00:43:37.000 Finds it almost impossible to take seriously that there is a nuclear arsenal seriously preparing for nuclear war.

00:43:44.000 I immediately think, well, this is just more propaganda.

00:43:46.000 This is Russian propaganda and no one really wants a nuclear war.

00:43:49.000 But just because something hasn't happened yet, that doesn't mean it's never going to happen, because otherwise nothing new would ever happen, would it?

00:43:56.000 So it seems to me that based on the current information, there is brinkmanship taking place that is China has rapidly increased its engagement around the world.

00:44:05.000 and continue fueling the war machine, which shows you how significant and how powerful

00:44:10.000 the war machine is, i.e. it's the zenith of the American economic model.

00:44:14.000 So, not only does America not want peace, they don't want anybody to want peace,

00:44:19.000 certainly not China.

00:44:21.000 They're troubled by China trying to start peace negotiations.

00:44:25.000 China has rapidly increased its engagement around the world.

00:44:28.000 This includes brokering, actually trying to broker troubling agreements between, uh, to reestablish

00:44:34.000 diplomatic ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia, offering to broker peace deals, uh, between Ukraine

00:44:41.000 and the Russian aggressors.

00:44:43.000 I sometimes feel that I'm privy to the baddies' private meetings.

00:44:48.000 Because if you just think about that for a moment, what if China were like, listen, we don't want Saudi Arabia and Iran constantly at loggerheads, even if it's for their own sort of selfish economic reasons or You know, we don't want Russia and Ukraine starting a worldwide nuclear conflict, even if it is for their own selfish economic reasons.

00:45:03.000 You know, we know that America's actions and our own country's actions are for selfish economic reasons.

00:45:09.000 So presumably that is part of the Chinese mindset.

00:45:11.000 But overall, not having a nuclear war is better than having a nuclear war, isn't it?

00:45:17.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:45:18.000 So these incidents, they highlight China's persistent presence and intention to exert its influence and match the U.S. 0.92

00:45:25.000 as a global power.

00:45:27.000 They're trying to match us as a global power.

00:45:30.000 Oh no, how are they doing that?

00:45:31.000 Well, you know those wars we keep trying to start?

00:45:33.000 Yeah, is it wrong we're doing that?

00:45:35.000 Yes, but they're trying to stop those wars that we need to be number one top dog of the world.

00:45:40.000 So we don't want that, do we?

00:45:42.000 Wait a minute, what happens to us if there's a nuclear war?

00:45:44.000 Don't think about that, you'll be so rich it won't matter.

00:45:46.000 So how can the U.S.

00:45:49.000 It's almost like they've realised, oh no, we can't dominate the global narrative on behalf of the military-industrial complex and transcendent financial interests that are not actually American the way that you are an American person, but are just simply housed within lax American financial and political systems that allow them to dominate the globe in this manner.

00:46:13.000 The only thing that can threaten this hegemony is another similarly large country that has a different agenda.

00:46:19.000 I think at that point, you have to put aside the flag and start thinking about the mushroom clouds.

00:46:24.000 I mean, at what point do you think, no man, never!

00:46:27.000 Never will I align with China! 1.00

00:46:29.000 What if it's China or death? 0.87

00:46:31.000 Talk me through death.

00:46:32.000 What happens?

00:46:33.000 Truth is, no one knows.

00:46:34.000 And can we expect to see more countries try to turn to China as a mediator?

00:46:38.000 Look at them sort of, like, trying to gerrymander their way through a conversation.

00:46:41.000 They're simply, we want to be in total control, and our control is predicated on threats and war and commerce, military-industrial complex, ignoring the domestic population that we've already subjugated and bludgeoned into compliance.

00:46:53.000 Nuclear war is not good for us.

00:46:55.000 I don't see anyone who benefits, literally, even them.

00:46:58.000 Don't you WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH- ...press those buttons, particularly.

00:47:06.000 A very credible Columbia University.

00:47:09.000 Inadvertently pressed a series of buttons.

00:47:12.000 You can see the rest of our presentation here is the news on Rumble in full straight after this.

00:47:17.000 Before that though, we have Matthew Connolly, Professor of International and Global History at Columbia and author Author of the declassification engine, Matthew, welcome to the show.

00:47:26.000 My apologies for inadvertently firing up a sting that's a terrifying AI orifice emulating human vocal sounds.

00:47:38.000 Okay, no worries.

00:47:40.000 Talk to you about the story that's broken today that the FBI didn't, it seems like, at least practice due diligence before promulgating the Russiagate allegations that dogged Trump throughout his presidency.

00:47:56.000 Tell me, how does this fit into your broader understanding of deep state espionage agencies such as the FBI and CIA, please?

00:48:05.000 Yeah, well, Russell, you know, if you were paying attention, you know, people who are tracking like FBI disclosures over the last few decades, you would find that time and again, they've had to admit agents, you know, at best misbehaving.

00:48:21.000 And making mistakes, as they like to call them, when it comes to the surveillance of US citizens.

00:48:26.000 I mean, you go back almost quarter a century ago, the FBI disclosed dozens and dozens of instances in which FBI agents had gathered more information that they were entitled to.

00:48:37.000 There was a study, another example, they found that FBI headquarters, when they ordered surveillance, more than half the time, Uh, they were exceeding the legal limits, right?

00:48:48.000 So this has happened over and over and over again.

00:48:51.000 And to me, like, the scandalous thing is what isn't illegal.

00:48:54.000 I mean, the fact that, you know, these kinds of things have happened continuously for decades now, and yet no one has held to account.

00:49:02.000 If this is an institutional problem, as you describe, and each time we learn of the FBI paying Twitter to censor information, or the CIA being involved in coups that ultimately lead to greater conflagration, Is there an argument, as Robert F. Kennedy suggests, for disbanding the CIA in particular?

00:49:28.000 Are these institutions salvageable or do they have, at essence, a kind of, I don't know, if not negligence, a kind of hypocrisy?

00:49:36.000 Is it impossible for them to function in order to protect a population?

00:49:41.000 Well, you know, it is hard to imagine a world, you know, without the FBI, without the CIA.

00:49:47.000 But I like to remind people that in the United States, these are relatively recent inventions.

00:49:52.000 You know, going back, you know, before World War One, there was no Central Intelligence Agency.

00:49:57.000 There was no Federal Bureau of Investigation.

00:49:59.000 You know, the U.S.

00:50:00.000 was really an outlier.

00:50:01.000 For the first 150 years of our history, we didn't have intelligence agencies.

00:50:06.000 The only time that the U.S., you know, after the first You know, period, the revolution in the early republic.

00:50:11.000 After that point, the only time the U.S.

00:50:13.000 employed, you know, large numbers of spies and intercepted communications was during wartime.

00:50:18.000 And after wars ended, they dismantled this apparatus.

00:50:21.000 So it's not impossible to imagine that in the future, we won't necessarily have to have 18 different intelligence agencies.

00:50:29.000 Like to me, that's the aberration, the way that this system has just grown completely out of control.

00:50:36.000 Matthew, since the Patriot Act, no American has any privacy.

00:50:42.000 It's possible for them to store your data and look at it at will.

00:50:45.000 One of the things that you cover in your book is the number of people that have access to information.

00:50:50.000 I think you said up to 1.3 million people.

00:50:54.000 I wonder if this kind of legislation and this kind of intrusion enforces the idea that the state That has a degree of authority that infantilizes a population.

00:51:09.000 As you've just said, that typically these are the kind of measures that would be deployed in a war then rescinded subsequently.

00:51:16.000 The fact that they are ubiquitously applied suggests that there is a permanent state of paternalism.

00:51:26.000 I'd like you to just explain to us a little more how since the Patriot Act the American population have been universally spied on and also about this how the recent attempts to review that legislation are being delayed under the auspices of protecting us from American drug cartels and stuff.

00:51:46.000 Yeah, well, you know, there are people who would say the reason why we have the Patriot Act, you know, the reason why we have 18 different intelligence agencies and so on, you know, it's because that's the only way we can protect American lives, right?

00:51:58.000 That it's our national security that's at stake.

00:52:00.000 You know, but when you look back, those moments, periods, long periods, you know, when the United States was at peace, you know, in fact, you know, for a time where the world's only superpower I'm talking about the 1990s.

00:52:13.000 Even then, these intelligence agencies, especially the National Security Agency, were pushing to expand their surveillance powers.

00:52:21.000 So it almost doesn't matter what kind of threats supposedly threatened the country.

00:52:27.000 It seems like no matter what is happening in that outside world, inside our government, there are people who are constantly pushing to expand their ability to spy on the American people.

00:52:37.000 I'll give you one example of this.

00:52:39.000 Back in 1984, The Justice Department Office of Legal Counsel, this is the part of the government that sets the rules for everyone else.

00:52:47.000 They're the ones at the OLC who get to decide what's legal and what isn't.

00:52:51.000 They wrote an opinion according to which American surveillance agencies like the NSA, they can intercept our communications when they go abroad, right?

00:53:00.000 So when American, you know, phone calls or emails or what have you, when they go through foreign data centers, all of that is fair game.

00:53:08.000 And that is a giant legal loophole that allows, at least in principle, the NSA and all these other agencies to systematically spy on American communications.

00:53:18.000 You know what's the funny part to me?

00:53:19.000 First of all, it's the fact that it was written in 1984.

00:53:22.000 That's one.

00:53:23.000 And the second thing is nobody outside of government has ever been allowed to see this ruling.

00:53:29.000 Even American senators have asked to see this and they have been told they're not allowed.

00:53:34.000 So we have this secret law that allows government agencies to spy on us in secret.

00:53:40.000 That is funny.

00:53:41.000 One of the other revelations of Snowden was the collaboration between what are known as

00:53:46.000 the Five Eyes countries, which I suppose suggests that ultimately this is a global problem.

00:53:52.000 Whilst there's no doubt that America has avowed enmity towards Russia and China and other

00:53:58.000 countries that might challenge them for unipolar hegemony, there is elsewhere a kind of what

00:54:07.000 appears to be the deep state apparatus that undergirds global corporatism.

00:54:14.000 With neither party being willing to meaningfully amend these institutions and the legislation

00:54:22.000 that we've even so far discussed, which allows intrusion and breach of privacy of an unprecedented

00:54:27.000 level, what is there to be hopeful for in the conventional political space?

00:54:33.000 How can they ever be stopped?

00:54:34.000 No one talks about releasing Julian Assange.

00:54:36.000 No one talks about releasing, to any serious degree, the files surrounding the murder of JFK.

00:54:44.000 And this is all presumably because if we had the type of transparency to which we are entitled,

00:54:49.000 we would conclude that these agencies primarily function in order to control the American

00:54:54.000 population rather than protect them.

00:54:57.000 So what is the political solution for a problem of the nature that's outlined in your writing?

00:55:03.000 Yeah, well, you know, the theory behind the five eyes, and I think there's a lot of evidence

00:55:08.000 to support it, is that what they're doing, basically, the British government, together

00:55:14.000 with the United States, New Zealand, Canada, Australia, each one of them can act, you know,

00:55:19.000 outside their national boundaries in ways that they're not legally allowed to within

00:55:22.000 those boundaries and against their own citizens.

00:55:25.000 So the theory is that, you know, they could each spy on each other's citizens.

00:55:28.000 Now, I don't know.

00:55:29.000 I don't know for a fact, you know, that that's happening right now.

00:55:33.000 But the fact is, you know, every government, including the U.S.

00:55:36.000 government, does do these very operations when they're working abroad.

00:55:42.000 And there's almost no limit, right, to how much and in what ways they will spy on the citizens of other states.

00:55:49.000 So that means, you know, that no matter where you live, you're fair game, you know, for dozens of different intelligence agencies, many of them now equipped with the most powerful tools available from the private sector, right?

00:56:00.000 Like the Pegasus software allows them to break into your iPhones and even turn smartphones into surveillance devices, right?

00:56:07.000 So even like relatively small countries can now purchase this kind of technology off the shelf.

00:56:12.000 So what do we do?

00:56:13.000 I think the first thing people need to know is they need to be aware.

00:56:17.000 You know, of what's now possible and what in fact is likely.

00:56:21.000 Because one thing these surveillance programs want most of all, and they even use the word itself, they want us to be naive.

00:56:29.000 They thrive on our naivete.

00:56:31.000 So to the extent that people are blithely unaware of how governments conspire on them, this only is to their benefit and empowers them further.

00:56:40.000 How come so many people got access and security clearance?

00:56:43.000 You said like 1.3 million people.

00:56:46.000 Well, how come?

00:56:47.000 Yeah, well, because there's so much classified information that you couldn't run this government without giving over a million people access to top secret information.

00:56:58.000 So to give an example, back in 2012, the U.S.

00:57:00.000 government itself issued an estimate as to how many times government officials were classifying information secret so nobody would be allowed to see it for decades to come.

00:57:10.000 It came to 93 million times.

00:57:13.000 Three times every second, some government official is deciding something had to be classified secret, right?

00:57:19.000 So, just imagine how would you even run the American military?

00:57:23.000 These 18 different intelligence agencies, the Justice Department, the FBI, and all the rest of it.

00:57:28.000 If you didn't have lots and lots of employees who had access to this information.

00:57:32.000 And also all of their many consultants, right?

00:57:34.000 So many hundreds of thousands of these people are not actually government employees.

00:57:37.000 They're consultants working for the government, in some cases earning more than they used to back when they still work for government, when they got these clearances.

00:57:46.000 And so, yeah, it's 1.3 million.

00:57:48.000 And that includes people like Jack Teixeira, the airman first class, who is found to be sharing secrets with his friends on Discord.

00:57:57.000 So all kinds of people now have access to all kinds of information.

00:58:01.000 And yet billions are being spent to prevent ordinary people gaining access to this information.

00:58:08.000 So again, what kind of relationship does this suggest that actually exists between the state and the population that they govern?

00:58:18.000 If they have access to all of our information and our access to their information is significantly impaired, how can we begin to meaningfully change the world, have a fairer world without Meaningfully addressing and amending institutes that don't tend to be affected by the cycles of transition within ordinary electoral democracy.

00:58:43.000 Well, Russell, you know, every person who's run successfully for president of the United States has promised that they would bring a new day of transparency and accountability.

00:58:52.000 And that includes Donald Trump.

00:58:54.000 You know, Donald Trump, back in 2015, 2016, he promised he was going to release all the JFK files, but he didn't do it.

00:59:01.000 It tells you something.

00:59:02.000 It tells you something, the fact that these people, once they become president, If they didn't already, they fall in love with secrecy.

00:59:08.000 It's one of the few ways that presidents can be completely unaccountable.

00:59:12.000 Because Trump was right when he said basically presidents are sovereign over secrecy.

00:59:16.000 What they decide is national security information is information nobody else is legally entitled to see unless they have that so-called need to know.

00:59:23.000 So how do we change this?

00:59:25.000 Well, we have to stop believing presidential candidates.

00:59:28.000 When they tell us that as soon as they're in charge of their system, they're going to dismantle it.

00:59:31.000 It's just not going to happen.

00:59:33.000 The only parts of our government that could actually do something about this are Congress and the courts, right?

00:59:39.000 So that's the only way.

00:59:40.000 If you want to check on federal power, you've got to bring in the other two branches of government.

00:59:45.000 Oh wow, so you don't think that even a political figure like RFK, that is at least in terms

00:59:53.000 of his rhetoric, and we've spoke to him and he's a very sincere man who I think is extremely

00:59:58.000 well intentioned if I may say, that he says he would disband the CIA.

01:00:04.000 So you don't think that it's even within the office of the president to alter these systems

01:00:09.000 and that in a sense is perhaps the problem with the type of power that we have now, is

01:00:14.000 that once you're within the system, you're part of the system and it's impossible to

01:00:17.000 amend it and it suggests that the only solution that we have is to establish alternative means

01:00:23.000 of communication, alternative currency, alternative media, because the systems are self-sustaining

01:00:29.000 and don't appear to be able to significantly change.

01:00:35.000 Well, if the next president actually did, you know, get elected on that platform and really did manage to dismantle this vast secrecy complex, it would be like nothing that's ever happened before in American history.

01:00:47.000 It's just never happened.

01:00:48.000 And I'll give you a couple of examples.

01:00:50.000 Look at Jimmy Carter.

01:00:51.000 Jimmy Carter, he was a born-again Christian, right?

01:00:54.000 He came out of Georgia.

01:00:56.000 And here's a man who so believed in transparency that he gave, when he gave an interview to Playboy magazine, he confessed that he sometimes felt lust in his heart and he felt guilty, you know, about having these feelings that weren't about his wife, Rosalind.

01:01:11.000 Okay, so this is the kind of man we're talking about.

01:01:13.000 He promised a totally new day, you know, he was going to reform all the secrecy and corruption of the Kissinger and Nixon years.

01:01:20.000 And what happens?

01:01:21.000 In the time that he was president, we can actually track this Now we can enumerate and count the number of classified documents.

01:01:28.000 There was even more secrecy than before.

01:01:30.000 And by the end of it, he was complaining, you know, about how so much information that was top secret and sensitive was available to far too many people.

01:01:38.000 They wanted to create their own presidential secrecy stamp.

01:01:41.000 You know what they were going to call it, Russell?

01:01:43.000 Royal.

01:01:45.000 Oh, yes.

01:01:46.000 Okay, we better stamp that with royal.

01:01:48.000 Just had a few more feelings that weren't about Rosalind.

01:01:50.000 Give that a stamp.

01:01:51.000 Oh, there's a new secretary starting.

01:01:53.000 Oh my god, that guy's gorgeous.

01:01:54.000 Give that the royal stamp.

01:01:56.000 Power corrupts people.

01:01:57.000 They are unable to fulfill their earnest and heartfelt impressions once they are within these institutions.

01:02:04.000 In a sense, it's an invitation to end the mudslinging and personal invective and condemnation of the individuals within that system.

01:02:12.000 And to recognise that it's institutional change that is required, that whether it's someone like Donald Trump or RFK or Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, that ultimately, once they're within that system, they will behave like people within that system, almost like an environmental thing, like it was a river or a rainforest.

01:02:30.000 You might say, when I'm in the rainforest, I'm going to wear UGG boots and a heavy woolen shawl, but once you get in there, you're going to be trying to avoid the tree frogs and you're going to be there in a pair of swimming trunks.

01:02:43.000 You're damn right, Russell.

01:02:44.000 It is a straw. 0.94

01:02:45.000 Yeah, I like the analogy!

01:02:48.000 And you know, the founders are right about this.

01:02:50.000 You know, Jefferson and Adams, they'd write to each other.

01:02:53.000 As soon as someone's in power, all of a sudden they believe they can do no wrong, right?

01:02:57.000 No matter what they do, they're doing it for the right reasons.

01:03:00.000 The only way you can hold people in check is to pit power against power.

01:03:04.000 The only way you're going to bring a president to account and have them give up this sovereign control, this royal system of secrecy, is by getting the courts and Congress to start using their power.

01:03:16.000 Okay, well I don't know enough to argue with you about that, because you're a professor at Columbia, and I'm the bloke out for getting Sarah Marshall.

01:03:23.000 So you have the advantage, sir!

01:03:28.000 Plainly.

01:03:29.000 But like, what's going on over there at Columbia?

01:03:32.000 What are you teaching?

01:03:33.000 Well, I'm actually starting an exciting new job.

01:03:37.000 I'm going to be starting in July.

01:03:38.000 I'll be directing something called the Center for the Study of Existential Risk over at Cambridge.

01:03:44.000 And so I'm not giving up my Columbia job.

01:03:46.000 I'm still going to be an historian here.

01:03:48.000 But for the next, you know, who knows how long, as long as it takes, perhaps, I'll be defending the world against super volcanoes and killer asteroids and AI insurrections.

01:03:57.000 So you can rest easy.

01:03:59.000 Do rest easy at night.

01:04:01.000 Cambridge, Massachusetts or Cambridge, UK?

01:04:04.000 No, Cambridge in the UK!

01:04:06.000 All right!

01:04:07.000 Good!

01:04:08.000 Right, well, you come around here then.

01:04:10.000 Can I ask one question?

01:04:11.000 Yeah, hold on one second.

01:04:13.000 Oh no.

01:04:15.000 Sorry about that.

01:04:20.000 I was really interested in, obviously we mentioned Julian Assange and we were talking about RFK and his position is that he would pardon Assange and obviously that's a very popular opinion, but like the growing number of people, whistleblowers that have been charged under the Espionage Act, The way you talk about the bulk collection of data and the kind of surveillance and how it's just multiplying year upon year.

01:04:42.000 What do you see for the, you mentioned Jack Teixeira as well.

01:04:45.000 How do you see the kind of future of whistleblowing in the way in which the whistleblowers will be kind of shut down and the espionage act will be used against them?

01:04:52.000 Do you see the amount of people, I mean, I know Obama and Trump used it way more than had been used in the past.

01:04:59.000 Do you think that this is just going to keep growing exponentially until we have prisons full of whistleblowers?

01:05:05.000 Where is this going to lead to?

01:05:07.000 Yeah, you're right.

01:05:08.000 Under Obama, they prosecuted more people for leaking classified information under the Espionage Act than every administration combined up until that point.

01:05:17.000 And one reason why that's now possible is because using electronic record systems, they can track more easily that people had access to particular kinds of records.

01:05:27.000 So it's now like technologically possible, you know, to begin more systematically identifying the people who are leaking information for their own secret reasons in some cases.

01:05:36.000 So, you know, I'm worried about the Assange case.

01:05:39.000 Like, whatever you think of Julian Assange, in the last months of the Trump administration, they decided to add to this indictment, you know, account for having violated the Espionage Act merely for releasing those Classified documents online, okay?

01:05:56.000 So what's important about that is that this would be the first time that somebody has been prosecuted, you know, just for sharing what the government considers classified information.

01:06:07.000 Now, if Assange is eventually brought to trial and is convicted for that, that's going to be an incredibly important and potentially dangerous precedent.

01:06:13.000 Because there are a lot of people out there, including perhaps you and me, you know, who share information the government thinks is classified.

01:06:19.000 Could we also be prosecuted under the Espionage Act?

01:06:22.000 If you actually read the black letter text of that law, it seems like there are hundreds of millions of people who could be locked up in American jails.

01:06:30.000 You happy with that?

01:06:31.000 Yeah, wow, that's terrifying.

01:06:34.000 It seems like it is going to get worse, yeah.

01:06:36.000 And I guess that's why the Assange case is so important.

01:06:40.000 I expect that when Matthew comes to Cambridge, you'll probably be troubling him on the regular with questions like that, will you?

01:06:47.000 I'll be there with my French horn.

01:06:47.000 That's right.

01:06:48.000 In Cambridge.

01:06:49.000 Did you have something else to say, Matthew?

01:06:52.000 I'm sorry to interrupt.

01:06:54.000 I was just going to say that's one reason why it's exciting for me because, you know, what you learn over the years, decades, you know, studying government information and the secrets that governments keep, is a lot of times that information is truly dangerous.

01:07:07.000 Like it really could get people killed.

01:07:09.000 Maybe not every last human being on the planet, but as long as that's possible, people who care about the future of humanity, we have to care about government secrecy as well.

01:07:19.000 Why are you so cheerful?

01:07:22.000 Oh, well, it's like gallows humor, you know.

01:07:25.000 I tell my students on the first day, I teach a class at History of the End of the World, and I say, like, if you can't laugh at things like pandemics and nuclear war, then this may not be the right class for you.

01:07:36.000 And I say that in all sincerity, because the only way that I personally can study these horrible subjects like this is if I maintain a sense of humor.

01:07:46.000 It's a little bit like that classic film, you know, the Manchurian Kennedy.

01:07:49.000 Always with a sense of humor, comrade.

01:07:51.000 Always with a sense of humor.

01:07:53.000 Yeah, we have to do that as well, because once in a while we get told stuff that makes us upset.

01:07:59.000 Hey, someone on the chat called Girl says, Matthew, how do you recognize propaganda?

01:08:05.000 Ah, great question.

01:08:07.000 How do you recognize propaganda?

01:08:09.000 You know, I spent years...

01:08:12.000 Yeah, so I spent years studying this stuff because when I first started out as a historian, I wanted to understand how France carried out this murderous war in North Africa.

01:08:22.000 Anywhere from half a million to a million people in the end were killed in the course of Algeria's fight for independence.

01:08:28.000 I spent months looking at propaganda files in government.

01:08:33.000 And, you know, it's one of these things, it's a little bit like pornography, right, as the Supreme Court said, is you know it when you see it.

01:08:40.000 But, you know, having seen it from the inside, you can see how it is, you know, even 60 years ago, that's what I'm talking about now, 60 years ago governments were hiring like Madison Avenue firms to advise them on how they could carry out like counterinsurgency operations and make it appealing to the American public.

01:08:57.000 And so you can only imagine now what's possible now that they're using things like ChatGPT to create this information.

01:09:04.000 They're going to be able to do it now on an industrial scale.

01:09:07.000 They'll be able to populate infinite numbers of websites with infinite amounts of false content.

01:09:12.000 So yeah, it's just going to get worse.

01:09:16.000 Matthew.

01:09:17.000 Well, Matthew, it's been a fantastic conversation.

01:09:19.000 I've really enjoyed speaking with you.

01:09:21.000 Would you tell us a little bit about your book before we wrap up our conversation?

01:09:27.000 I'd be delighted.

01:09:28.000 And let me just say, first of all, it's a bargain, right?

01:09:31.000 It's very reasonably priced, attractively packaged, and it's called America's top.

01:09:35.000 It's the actual title.

01:09:36.000 It's a declassification engine.

01:09:38.000 What history tells us about America's top secrets published by Penguin Random House.

01:09:43.000 It's a labor of love.

01:09:44.000 I worked almost 10 years on it.

01:09:46.000 And in there, I try to show, you know, not just the things that I discovered, you know, by exploring like millions of these secret documents, but also like what you could now do with data science to turn the tables, like to use the technology of surveillance to begin to surveil our government.

01:10:02.000 So I'm hoping you like it, Russell.

01:10:04.000 I'll send you a copy.

01:10:05.000 Thank you so much, Joe.

01:10:06.000 We're going to post a link to Matthew's book in the chat.

01:10:06.000 I hope you do.

01:10:11.000 Matthew, thank you so much for your time.

01:10:12.000 Good luck in your new job in Cambridge.

01:10:14.000 We're looking forward to meeting you in person then, and thank you for sharing this complex information in such an accessible manner.

01:10:21.000 Thank you.

01:10:22.000 Thank you, Russell.

01:10:23.000 Remember that bit at the beginning where I pressed, by accident, this button?

01:10:30.000 That's a piece of AI that we sort of talk about and I became sort of fixated with because it's such a revolting, disgusting looking object.

01:10:37.000 Oh no, Matthew didn't hang up.

01:10:38.000 That's the last, first and last thing you will have seen.

01:10:41.000 That's so weird because in a way it undermines everything that happened between the... It's like that was the parenthesis of our whole conversation.

01:10:48.000 Yes it was.

01:10:48.000 Like it was a good, mature conversation with an Ivy League professor but at either end of it... He did say humour was important.

01:10:57.000 He would have liked that.

01:10:59.000 Hey, join us over on Locals.

01:11:01.000 We're going to come back in a minute.

01:11:02.000 Press the red button.

01:11:03.000 We're wrapping up this show, but we're going to be carrying on on Locals.

01:11:06.000 You can ask us some questions, muck about, have a laugh.

01:11:08.000 We're going to be talking a little bit more about the FBI, the CIA, showing you stuff that we like.

01:11:15.000 Maybe Gareth will play the French horn.

01:11:16.000 Do you remember when that was a thing?

01:11:18.000 Also, if you become a member of our Locals community, you get access to all sorts of exclusive information that we just simply couldn't share publicly.

01:11:25.000 It's too disgusting.

01:11:27.000 On tomorrow's show, we'll be speaking to the U.S.

01:11:30.000 medic and healthcare professional turned activist, Dr. Bob, talking about how the U.S.

01:11:34.000 healthcare corporations are expanding control of the federal-funded Medicare.

01:11:39.000 So join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:11:42.000 You lot, though, get over on local.

01:11:44.000 It might go quiet for a second, but then we'll be back on there talking about the most private, intimate, brilliant stuff.

01:11:51.000 Until then, stay free.

01:11:52.000 Man, switch it.

01:11:53.000 Switch on.

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