Stay Free - Russel Brand - “Trump Will END THE WAR In Ukraine” Col Douglas Macgregor On Ukraine, Iran, The Border & WW3

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00:02:15.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:02:22.000 Hello there you awakening wonders!

00:02:31.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:34.000 What a very special show it is today.

00:02:36.000 Colonel Douglas McGregor is joining us.

00:02:38.000 That won't be in the first 15 minutes when we're on YouTube.

00:02:41.000 Oh no! That will be exclusively available in that sweet home of free speech that we call Rumble.

00:02:49.000 Remember, click the link in the description and join us over there. And you awakened wonders,

00:02:54.000 surely now you are getting ready for our new offering, Break Bread with Russell Brand.

00:02:58.000 Episode one is with Tucker Carlson. I couldn't be more excited. It's Tucker Carlson as you've

00:03:03.000 never seen him before, taking communion, talking about the Lord, talking about how globalism,

00:03:08.000 in a sense, he believes is the sort of emergence of a dark spiritual force and that we're in

00:03:13.000 spiritual warfare. You're going to love that. Become an awakened wonder. Join us for that.

00:03:18.000 That will be absolutely fantastic. And also the Jordan Peterson conversation that I had

00:03:24.000 earlier this week will be up tomorrow. It's 90 minutes long.

00:03:28.000 It's fantastic. I've never had a conversation with Jordan Peterson like it.

00:03:31.000 You'll love it. And on tomorrow's show, of course, it's Bobby Kennedy that will be joining us for a conversation about the weirdest, strangest election I can remember.

00:03:40.000 but we're here mostly now to talk about the relentless march towards perpetual war and

00:03:48.000 the exploitation of elders. Now when the Nord Stream pipeline story hit the headlines, and

00:03:53.000 we were told that Russia had blown up that pipeline themselves as some peculiar act of

00:03:58.000 sabotage, many of us thought it was ridiculous, but Seymour Hersh, Pulitzer Prize winning

00:04:02.000 journalist pointed out that it was likely carried out by deep state agencies involving

00:04:06.000 the United States and possibly other nations that are members of NATO and even Ukraine

00:04:11.000 themselves, therefore an act of sabotage. Seymour Hersh was attacked by the establishment

00:04:16.000 because of this, because that's how the establishment rolls.

00:04:18.000 They operate on that level. There is no virtue, there is no reverence, there is no respect that

00:04:24.000 can be applied unless you are a useful object for the advancement of their agenda.

00:04:29.000 Bob Woodward, he of all the President's men fame, the man whose stories broke the Watergate scandal, he's still useful to the establishment and his new book has extraordinary revelations about both Joe Biden and And Donald Trump.

00:04:46.000 Let's have a look at CNN's reporting on this story to see how, in a sense, this is a tale of two elders.

00:04:53.000 Seymour Hersh, cast out because he challenges establishment power, and Bob Woodward, to a degree, still revered because his message can be useful.

00:05:04.000 This is the way the system operates, and it's a lot more granular than just voices that directly relate to power, war, and geopolitics.

00:05:13.000 Even a celebrity, if you're useful, can be propped up.

00:05:16.000 But once you're no longer useful, oh my word, you will be chewed up.

00:05:20.000 That's why these Diddy revelations are so fascinating because I believe they'll show you the true insidious, maybe even satanic, is that too far?

00:05:28.000 Dark nature of Hollywood.

00:05:30.000 There's institutional weird stuff going on there.

00:05:32.000 These revelations are fascinating.

00:05:34.000 But of course now we're focusing on the rather large issue of war.

00:05:39.000 War. A soon-to-be-released book by veteran Washington journalist Bob Woodward is offering a remarkable and Shocking look at what President Joe Biden really thinks about some of America's closest allies.

00:06:04.000 Example one, Woodward quotes Biden is calling Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a bad guy, a quote, bad effing guy.

00:06:13.000 But Netanyahu isn't the only world leader to earn Biden's wrath.

00:06:17.000 The book War was obtained by CNN ahead of its release next week.

00:06:22.000 It was obtained specifically by CNN special correspondent Jamie Gengel, who joins us now.

00:06:28.000 Wow, some of these revelations.

00:06:29.000 Here it is. Here is the book. I'll lend it to you.

00:06:32.000 This is a treasure trove of revelations.

00:06:34.000 I have to, I mean, I'm not exaggerating here.

00:06:36.000 My jaw dropped in some of the anecdotes in here.

00:06:38.000 Bob Woodward is still bringing the receipts after all this time.

00:06:43.000 The book is based on confidential documents, notes, transcripts, first-hand accounts from participants.

00:06:50.000 It is an unprecedented look behind the scenes at Joe Biden, unfiltered, profane.

00:06:58.000 He likes to drop the F-bomb.

00:07:00.000 We really learn how leaders and top U.S. officials speak to each other and about each other behind the scenes.

00:07:08.000 But there's also some notable news about Donald Trump in this book.

00:07:13.000 There are new details about former President Trump's relationship with Vladimir Putin.

00:07:20.000 Specifically, the book reveals phone calls Never before revealed between Trump and Putin, including a verbatim conversation where they discuss that Trump secretly sent to Putin scarce COVID testing machines for his personal use.

00:07:42.000 This was at a time during the height of COVID where everybody wanted One of these.

00:07:47.000 And we actually have, Woodward has, the conversation between Trump and Putin in the book.

00:07:55.000 If that conversation had continued, it might have gone, don't worry too much, because COVID isn't actually that bad.

00:08:02.000 Unless you have a great deal of comorbidity issues, unless you're suffering from the lifestyle diseases that's caused by living as a kind of larvae blob on the conveyor belt of big food, big agriculture and big farmer corporatism.

00:08:17.000 interesting story, interesting insights, particularly when contrasted with the way that another

00:08:22.000 elder of the American media establishment, Seymour Hersh, has been treated and discredited.

00:08:28.000 Here is Glenn Greenwald revealing that a Danish newspaper Politiken have confirmed some of

00:08:37.000 the stories that we knew to be true at the time because of common sense. Remember when

00:08:40.000 a multiple major US media outlets, as well as a small handful of think tank experts,

00:08:45.000 they always quote, tried to convince Americans and Europeans that it was mostly Putin who

00:08:50.000 blew up his own Nord Stream pipeline. I do. Here is this Danish reporter, Thomas Farsi,

00:08:57.000 saying that it was indubitably and undoubtedly an event that involved the United States,

00:09:05.000 deep state and Ukrainian forces.

00:09:07.000 There you go. The common sense, many people might argue right there.

00:09:13.000 To get some new and deeper insights into military matters around the world, I'm having a conversation with Colonel Douglas MacGregor.

00:09:20.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you're familiar with Colonel Douglas MacGregor.

00:09:23.000 His revelations have always been pretty staggering and extraordinary.

00:09:26.000 I have a brilliant conversation with him about which war is most likely to bring about global Armageddon, and what a ridiculous conversation to be having with anybody.

00:09:35.000 But the significance of talking to experts is, In a sense, the duty and the drive of a channel like ours, we're limited in our purview and our understanding, but thanks to the miracle of technology and the availability of guests like Colonel Douglas MacGregor, we have the opportunity to speak to people who know a lot more about these subjects than I do.

00:09:54.000 And in fact, the reason that I'm now somewhat informed on the subject of the pandemic is because of the Oracle season.

00:10:00.000 We'll post the link in the chat right now.

00:10:02.000 The Oracle season are our special symposiums where we talk to experts and they explain to us unique insights for the first time.

00:10:11.000 When we were talking about pandemics, I was lucky enough to have Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch and Pierre Corey all in the same room.

00:10:16.000 Here's an excerpt from that conversation available for...

00:10:20.000 You, if you're a Locust member.

00:10:22.000 Can you tell us, chronologically, how you began to understand the way that this pandemic was being reported on was inaccurate?

00:10:31.000 And what were the early indicators?

00:10:34.000 Just to sort of let you know, that in late 2019, I was still thinking, oh my word, this is seismic.

00:10:43.000 This is terrifying.

00:10:44.000 I was traveling in an airport from Australia back to the UK. I was scared when my kids were touching stuff.

00:10:50.000 At what point did you realize that there was a disparity between what was being communicated and the reality?

00:10:59.000 So late 2019 was really early.

00:11:02.000 I didn't even become aware of the virus outbreak in Wuhan until I got a call from Michael Callahan on January 10th of 2020.

00:11:12.000 So that's when I first became alerted to it.

00:11:14.000 In terms of the difference between all the messaging, the propaganda that was coming out of China and then Northern Italy, Versus the reality that various epidemiologists were actually documenting.

00:11:32.000 J. Bhattacharya is a key name here.

00:11:35.000 That kind of came to my attention during January and February, but then really in March was when a cascade of things happened.

00:11:48.000 We had our initial book censored by Amazon.

00:11:51.000 And I realized that the guy from the CIA that I'd been communicating with was lying to me.

00:11:56.000 And that's kind of what set me down the path of understanding what was going on.

00:12:02.000 He was misrepresenting the origin of the virus and a lot of the storyline around it.

00:12:08.000 Alright, now it's time for my conversation with Colonel Douglas MacGregor and his interesting insights in geopolitics.

00:12:15.000 Recorded this in the Washington studio of Rumble.

00:12:17.000 And Colonel Douglas MacGregor, as always, helped me understand the true at-depth movements of geopolitics right now and their historic undergirding.

00:12:26.000 You will love this conversation.

00:12:28.000 Stay with us. Thanks for joining us, Colonel Douglas MacGregor.

00:12:32.000 It's such an honor to be speaking with you in Washington, in the midst of the swamp.

00:12:37.000 That's right. The honor is all mine, by the way.

00:12:39.000 Thank you, thank you. We met yesterday at the Rescue the Republic event in which we were participating, and it seems to me that this is an important time to rescue the republic.

00:12:50.000 Now, this is a conversation that has to happen simultaneously on various planes.

00:12:54.000 The individual level, the level of absolute subsidiarity, the local level, power, Connected to people that can make an impact using the levers of politics that are already available to them to influence their communities, particularly in a time leading up to an election.

00:13:09.000 But there is also, of course, a global dimension and pressing potential Armageddon.

00:13:14.000 The reason I suppose that I'm asking this question right now is because of the strikes within Lebanon and also Donald Trump's recent declarations After some of the personal, I was going to say incursions, but their assassination attempts, that his experience have been connected to, in particular Iran.

00:13:37.000 I wonder if you could help us understand how this escalates the likelihood of that region exploding into further conflagration, sir?

00:13:45.000 Well, I think if you had to choose between Eastern Europe and Ukraine right now and the Middle East and try to establish which one is by far the more dangerous, I would suggest the Middle East is more volatile.

00:13:57.000 I think the war in Ukraine is effectively over militarily and has been for some time.

00:14:04.000 Ukrainians have been bled white.

00:14:07.000 And whatever we do to try and help them at this point is not going to work.

00:14:12.000 And it's inhumane, frankly, because they've lost 600,000 soldiers killed in this war.

00:14:17.000 Those are World War I-level statistics.

00:14:21.000 You know, during World War I, we fought for a total of 110 days in World War I. That's all we were in there for.

00:14:29.000 And in 110 days, we had 110,000 deaths and 200,000 casualties.

00:14:35.000 In other words, wounded. So that's why I say the loss of 600,000 lives Is horrific.

00:14:44.000 Then when you compare that with the numbers of Ukrainians that have left the place, you know, the Ukrainian nation itself is practically dead.

00:14:52.000 And that's what people in the West don't seem to understand.

00:14:55.000 We've been pushing this war and insisting that we fight to the last Ukrainian.

00:15:00.000 Well, we're getting close. Ukraine itself may not survive this.

00:15:04.000 But I don't see a major war breaking out there.

00:15:07.000 And the reason I say that is because, as you pointed out earlier, very recently, Putin made a public statement and simply said that this business of long-range strikes into the heart of Russia, into its cities, and putting its own military power, particularly its nuclear deterrent at risk, it's unacceptable. And that if any third party, in other words, a nation that is hosting long-range strike weapons for the United States and Great Britain, if that's Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Poland, Romania, whoever it is,

00:15:38.000 They will be treated as co-belligerents.

00:15:41.000 In other words, you will be seen as doing something that your nuclear power ally is actually doing.

00:15:47.000 And we reserve the right to use a nuclear weapon to deal with that.

00:15:51.000 We won't tolerate it.

00:15:53.000 That had the desired effect.

00:15:55.000 And that's why when Starmer came over from London and he had this big proposal to strike deep into Russia, Biden and his staff said, no, we will not support that.

00:16:06.000 So I think there's a recognition that things have gone far enough.

00:16:09.000 What nobody wants to do in the West is say, this was a mistake.

00:16:14.000 We need to back down and get out of there.

00:16:17.000 So I think that will happen after the election.

00:16:20.000 Now, Donald Trump, fortunately, thankfully, has been arguing for that for some time.

00:16:24.000 That's good. But I think it will happen regardless of whom's elected, because we just can't afford it.

00:16:29.000 We don't want to go to war there.

00:16:31.000 That's quite obvious. The issue now is really shifting to the Middle East.

00:16:35.000 And the Middle East is entirely different.

00:16:38.000 Before you embark on that complex topic, there's a few things I would like to comment upon.

00:16:42.000 It's interesting how the term cycle of American electoral politics affords the military-industrial complex to, I would contest, Advocate for military action that, even to someone as uninformed about geopolitics as I am, would seem to be, if not futile, downright dangerous.

00:17:07.000 Ergo, you can't have a war with Russia, can you?

00:17:09.000 Because aren't Russia a nuclear superpower?

00:17:12.000 This fact was somehow obfuscated for a number of years, a couple of years.

00:17:17.000 Meanwhile, this misadventure cost hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives.

00:17:22.000 Nothing is meaningfully achieved.

00:17:25.000 And you start to think, well, how will they...

00:17:28.000 Put the milk back in the bottle.

00:17:30.000 How will they suck that fart of death back into the rectum?

00:17:35.000 And of course, the valve and opportunity there afforded is that there will be another administration and likely a different category of still profitable war is...

00:17:47.000 Introduced to continue the conveyor belt of death and destruction.

00:17:51.000 Thank you for the calibrating exercise of if you look at this in the lens of World War One, because we tend not to look at Ukrainian deaths with that level of...of paralysing scrutiny of like, oh well, yeah, that's World War I for the United States of America.

00:18:08.000 And can I just add to that again before we move on to the Middle East and the terrifying game of brinkmanship we're engaging along Putin's red line?

00:18:19.000 Zelensky is once again in this election period apparently participating in the Democratic Party's election campaign with the ghoulish spectacle of signing missiles.

00:18:31.000 What do you make of that trivialisation of death and war?

00:18:36.000 Well, it's not the first time that it's happened.

00:18:38.000 And I think Americans, in general, are really not paying that much attention to what's happening in Ukraine.

00:18:44.000 The average American doesn't really know where it is.

00:18:47.000 If you were to stop an American on the streets of Kansas City, Missouri, or Portland, Oregon, and ask him or her some questions about NATO and Ukraine, I don't think you'd get very many coherent answers.

00:18:59.000 This is something that's a huge problem for people to understand that live outside the United States.

00:19:05.000 A Spanish general staff officer that worked for me at Supreme Headquarters of Light Powers Europe many years ago said it best.

00:19:11.000 He said, the United States is not just a nation.

00:19:16.000 It's not just a separate place.

00:19:18.000 It's a planet. And there's a lot of truth in that.

00:19:21.000 And when things don't go our way overseas, when we don't get what we want, when we fail, when we lose, we just leave.

00:19:29.000 After 10 years in Vietnam, we left.

00:19:33.000 Gone. And suddenly, the mainstream media no longer talked about what happened in Vietnam.

00:19:39.000 It was no longer topical, no longer of any interest.

00:19:42.000 Now, truly, people, it took years for people to figure out what a waste this was, what a tragedy it was, and say it needs to stop.

00:19:49.000 Too long, frankly.

00:19:51.000 But that's kind of the way Americans are.

00:19:54.000 Oh, well, that didn't work.

00:19:55.000 We leave. Now, we leave because we don't live in these places.

00:19:59.000 And this is something that Charles de Gaulle tried to get across to people.

00:20:03.000 He said, you want to bet on the United States to save you from the Soviets.

00:20:07.000 This is back in the 60s.

00:20:08.000 You want to bet on the United States to provide security.

00:20:11.000 He said, where do Americans live?

00:20:13.000 They don't live in Europe.

00:20:15.000 He used to say, the Americans don't live in Europe.

00:20:18.000 Britain is an island.

00:20:20.000 And that leaves the rest of us on the continent.

00:20:23.000 We have to take care of business ourselves.

00:20:25.000 Of course, he took France out of the military dimension of NATO, threw us and our headquarters out of France.

00:20:30.000 That's how we ended up in Belgium.

00:20:32.000 De Gaulle was right.

00:20:35.000 And Europeans need to understand this.

00:20:37.000 And this is something I keep telling people overseas.

00:20:40.000 Don't look for someone to come and rescue you.

00:20:43.000 You need to rescue yourself.

00:20:45.000 You need to protect your country.

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00:21:56.000 at takelean.com. Thank you. I think Americans are now on the defence here in the United States and

00:22:03.000 they realise that their culture, their identity, their way of life are at risk but not because

00:22:07.000 of anything in Ukraine.

00:22:09.000 It's happening here because of this ideologically driven government that seems determined to denationalize us.

00:22:16.000 That's the problem we have here at home, and we have these open borders.

00:22:20.000 And increasingly, people are feeling the impact in terms of criminality, but also just spending, because these people are receiving free medical care, they're being put up in hotels, they're being cared for, they're getting better treatment than the average American citizen.

00:22:33.000 That's beginning to sink in, and people say, what are we doing?

00:22:36.000 And we have over 100,000 combat troops sitting on the border with Poland and Ukraine and Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and down in Romania.

00:22:44.000 Now we're sending thousands more troops to the Middle East.

00:22:47.000 And people are saying, well, we think we should defend Israel if Israel's attacked.

00:22:53.000 But Israel's not under attack.

00:22:55.000 Israel's attacking. Israel's waging war.

00:22:58.000 It's waging war in Gaza.

00:23:00.000 It says it has to drive out or kill everybody in Gaza or they're not going to be safe.

00:23:04.000 They're turning on the West Bank.

00:23:06.000 Now they want to invade southern Lebanon because unless they go there and destroy everything and kill everybody, they won't have any peace.

00:23:13.000 And people are beginning to say, did we sign up for this?

00:23:17.000 But it's a little late in the game because we have all these carrier battle groups.

00:23:20.000 We have over a thousand jet fighters.

00:23:22.000 We have thousands of troops.

00:23:24.000 You know, we have huge numbers of bombers that are placed in the region.

00:23:28.000 We're ready to attack Iran tomorrow morning.

00:23:31.000 All Iran has to do is strike back at Israel.

00:23:35.000 And we're ready to go.

00:23:36.000 Has anybody discussed this?

00:23:38.000 Has there been a debate? No.

00:23:40.000 There's no debate. Colonel, we are at a series of extraordinary tipping points on the basis of what you've just described.

00:23:49.000 You began your answer by explaining how America, when they reach an irrefutable juncture, will just depart and the story will dissipate.

00:24:03.000 But for the spectre of returning veterans whose voices have, of course, been heard mostly in the sort of, I would say, would you, the sort of film culture of the 1980s where Vietnam was revisited and that narrative and America's shadow and the shadow it cast on the souls of the veterans was explored in the host of extraordinary films that came out of that conflict When you explain that America's relationship with these almost colonial principalities set up as, you know, bases and like, you know, I've heard it, you know, and forgive this because I know this is a contentious issue, but...

00:24:42.000 Israel described almost as a sort of a terrestrial battleship in the Middle East from a certain strategic perspective.

00:24:50.000 So that's something that I'm just recounting.

00:24:53.000 And I consider it to be intriguing that when these colonial outposts are utilized, it could go two ways.

00:25:00.000 either as you've described in those the countries that border the former Soviet Union now Russia,

00:25:06.000 they might realize, hang on a minute, we're not particularly bellicose, adventurous nations,

00:25:11.000 and we're being partnered in a matter that's likely going to expedite potentially nuclear

00:25:17.000 conflicts. That's when you're dealing with new somewhat neutral territories to use that word.

00:25:21.000 But when it's more hostile and volatile regions, you know, and I guess Ukraine qualified because

00:25:27.000 of all their sort of ethnic, regional, and historical disputes with Russia,

00:25:31.000 you can, it's a very incendiary and dangerous situation.

00:25:34.000 But before I yield to you once more, Colonel, I'd like to note that you turn to the subject of mass migration.

00:25:41.000 And it's, for me, one of the things I suppose I still want to attest to and advocate for, as someone that's sympathetic to liberal arguments, and arguments that once for a moment seemed like they were arguments of the left.

00:25:55.000 I don't know what to do with these taxonomies anymore.

00:25:57.000 Is to point out that part of the problem of imperialism and colonialism is the displacement of people, the disruption of lands.

00:26:05.000 And any true America First movement, or United Kingdom First, or France First movement, I believe, and this is what I'd love your view on, or incorporate...

00:26:15.000 Less meddlesome interventionism in these nations because of the destabilization that it causes.

00:26:21.000 There's a reason that people are coming from Venezuela.

00:26:24.000 There's a reason that people are coming from the various countries that European misadventure has impacted.

00:26:30.000 Take Heishi and its recent position in the news cycle.

00:26:35.000 This is a country that's been exploited by the United States of America to a ridiculous degree.

00:26:39.000 And not, I would add, By the kind of patriotic sort of forces that I would have characterised as basically, you know, George Soros is over there with the Clintons saying, you know, we're going to help you in this way and that, and apparently participating in the election of their government.

00:26:53.000 So I wonder how you see not only the sort of potential risks of American advocacy and support in nations, because, you know, depending on the volatility of that nation and its regional disputes, it could lead to conflagration.

00:27:05.000 And also the fact that this other issue that's affecting American patriots and American identity is the oft-sighted crisis at the border and how these things co-mingle.

00:27:17.000 Well, first of all, keep in mind that until quite recently, people viewed war in the United States as something that happens on someone else's territory.

00:27:29.000 That's very important to understand.

00:27:30.000 In other words, whatever happens, it doesn't happen at home in the United States.

00:27:34.000 That's changing. It's changing for the reasons that you're outlining.

00:27:37.000 We know that a million people right now are leaving Lebanon.

00:27:42.000 A million people.

00:27:44.000 Most of them will go north into Turkey and then try to move from Turkey to Europe.

00:27:48.000 Some will try to go further afield if they can do it.

00:27:52.000 The Turks aren't very happy.

00:27:53.000 They've already got three or four million refugees living on their territory right now, largely because of us.

00:27:59.000 We were trying to remove, what's his name, Assad from power in Damascus.

00:28:04.000 And of course, the Iraq war didn't help matters because we displaced large numbers of people from Iraq.

00:28:11.000 So you're on to something that's very important.

00:28:14.000 What we're finding right now is, sure, if you open your borders, anybody who can will come because they look at the United States as an opportunity for income, better life, better state of living, especially when you promise them at the same time free medical care and free cash and all sorts of other things.

00:28:32.000 This isn't going to work because the American people are really feeling the pain.

00:28:37.000 And just as people in Great Britain are feeling the pain from the mass migration into Great Britain over many years, for a long time people complained about it.

00:28:44.000 I remember watching a BBC television documentary.

00:28:47.000 This is 20 plus years ago.

00:28:49.000 It was called Bloody Foreigners.

00:28:51.000 And it was all about how much everybody was upset over the massive numbers of foreigners pouring into Great Britain.

00:28:56.000 Well, that was over 20 years ago.

00:28:57.000 So I can imagine it's much worse now.

00:29:01.000 We're almost in the Western world, in the United States, in Great Britain, in the West.

00:29:05.000 We are like a giant rowboat.

00:29:08.000 And the rowboat has people on the oars, and it's got people steering.

00:29:12.000 And we've taken aboard several people that we didn't want to drown.

00:29:16.000 We brought them in. But the problem is the boat is now overloaded, and it looks as though the boat could sink with all of us in it because we simply can't afford it.

00:29:26.000 We can't cope with it.

00:29:27.000 We can't survive it.

00:29:29.000 Because when the people come into the country, they do what you would expect them to do.

00:29:33.000 They set up a version of their country on your soil, and then they expect you to respect them and do as they wish, without regard to what it is that you may have or may not have in your country.

00:29:46.000 All of these things, you talked about a juncture, we sometimes call it a strategic inflection point.

00:29:52.000 All of this is in fact coming together and there's one other factor that we haven't considered.

00:29:56.000 That's the fragility of the financial system and the economy.

00:30:00.000 And what you get through the mainstream or from the Bank of England or from the Fed or whatever it is or the ECU, what do you get?

00:30:08.000 You get, oh, print more money.

00:30:10.000 This isn't a problem.

00:30:11.000 We can master this. We can cope with this.

00:30:13.000 Well, the truth is we're reaching the end point where we just cannot print more money.

00:30:18.000 We can't afford to inflate ourselves.

00:30:21.000 The bottom line is I don't know what's going to happen, but if you look at the potential in the Middle East for a war that will spread rapidly beyond Iran, because if Iran is attacked by us, the Russians and the Chinese will not allow Iran to be pulverized into submission.

00:30:36.000 That will not happen.

00:30:37.000 Why?

00:30:38.000 Because they do business with Iran, and they see Iran is inextricably intertwined with

00:30:43.000 them.

00:30:44.000 They depend, and China depends very heavily on all the oil and natural gas that come out

00:30:47.000 of the Persian Gulf.

00:30:48.000 And a war with Iran would inevitably result in the destruction of the oil facilities and

00:30:53.000 the refineries in Iran, and probably close down the Straits of Hormuz.

00:30:58.000 The Chinese don't want that.

00:30:59.000 By the way, neither do the Japanese nor the Koreans.

00:31:02.000 And if you go to Russia...

00:31:03.000 What? For the same region.

00:31:05.000 Yeah, they're all very dependent on it.

00:31:06.000 And the same resources and the same relationships. Absolutely.

00:31:08.000 You have people right now trying to build an alternative to passage through the Suez Canal.

00:31:13.000 They're trying to build rail lines and road lines that run from the Indian Ocean at the bottom of the Iranian state border on the Indian Ocean all the way up through the Caucasus Mountains into Russia and from there into Europe.

00:31:26.000 Because they don't want to have to deal with the problems that exist in the Red Sea and the Suez Canal right now.

00:31:32.000 And that route, if they build it as they plan to, is a lot faster than moving by ship up through the Red Sea, through the Suez, into the Mediterranean, and then up to the North Sea.

00:31:42.000 So everyone is already tired of dealing with us and our meddling, which is causing everyone to be miserable.

00:31:51.000 So that's clear.

00:31:52.000 That's unambiguous. The BRICS, the whole BRICS movement, Explain that BRICS movement.

00:31:58.000 I knew that was coming.

00:31:59.000 I know sort of a bit what it is, but it will help.

00:32:02.000 This started with Brazil, Russia, India, China.

00:32:05.000 Now it includes Saudi Arabia.

00:32:07.000 The Turks want to join it.

00:32:09.000 It looks like there are another 84 states on the planet want to join it.

00:32:14.000 It promises to be an open free market system where everything is gold-backed.

00:32:20.000 In other words, the currency is based on existing gold holdings.

00:32:24.000 Like this country used to be.

00:32:26.000 Exactly. And that gets them out from under us.

00:32:30.000 Because our financial system, surprise, surprise, in the 50 years after World War II, was structured to do what?

00:32:36.000 Make us wealthy. Give us a high standard of living at the expense of everybody we do business with.

00:32:41.000 So when you do business in dollars right now, we're literally passing our high debt on to everyone else.

00:32:48.000 Because we have no brakes.

00:32:50.000 There's no one breaking the movement to what I would call financial Armageddon.

00:32:55.000 Nobody wants to go down with us.

00:32:58.000 So they're building an alternative structure.

00:33:00.000 We see this as a threat.

00:33:02.000 Well, it may be, but we created it.

00:33:05.000 In other words, just as we created the war in Ukraine by trying to push this NATO issue, build up an enemy force inside Ukraine designed to attack Russia, designed to harm Russia, and you've listened to the comments, our goal is to harm Russia and drive them back into the Stone Age to divide the place and all this kind of nonsense.

00:33:25.000 We are doing those kinds of things everywhere.

00:33:27.000 And right now, our unconditional support for Mr.

00:33:30.000 Netanyahu makes it abundantly clear to everybody in the region that we are backing them not just for defense of Israel, but for Israeli supremacy in the region.

00:33:40.000 And the majority of people who live in the region are interested in living in an environment of Israeli military and political hegemony backed by the United States.

00:33:50.000 So you look at what's happened on the war front, which you've talked about.

00:33:54.000 You look at the massive migrations that have come out of the Middle East and North Africa, largely as a consequence of our policies and the chaos and criminality we've created in many of these countries.

00:34:05.000 Then you add to that the impact of the migration on our societies, which has been to weaken them, weaken our national sense of identity, weaken the coherence of our societies.

00:34:14.000 You know, we talk about social cohesion, where our social cohesion in this country is very low.

00:34:20.000 That's the problem. In order for a large country like the United States to survive over time, it needs strong societal cohesion.

00:34:27.000 Now, there are people in Washington that says, well, that's why these wars overseas can be good.

00:34:32.000 They'll force cohesion on the nation.

00:34:34.000 No, they won't.

00:34:37.000 We were very reluctant to go to war both before World War I and World War II. The reason Eisenhower ended the war and pulled us largely out of Korea was because there was no support for the war in Korea.

00:34:49.000 Vietnam hung on for years until people finally figured out we're not defeating communism, but we're killing 2 million people in Vietnam.

00:34:56.000 And what good is this and how do we benefit from it?

00:34:58.000 And all we do is take losses and ruin the economy.

00:35:01.000 I mean, we've been through all of these things.

00:35:03.000 The American population is beginning to wake up.

00:35:07.000 Not fast enough in my judgment, but they're beginning to wake up.

00:35:11.000 And that's why you and I and RFK Jr.

00:35:13.000 and Tulsi Gabbard spoke yesterday and said, we've got to end these overseas wars because we know what it means.

00:35:20.000 The wars breed corruption.

00:35:23.000 They breed spoilation.

00:35:25.000 They breed division.

00:35:28.000 In other words, they only enrich a small portion of the population.

00:35:32.000 Remember the seven richest counties in the United States?

00:35:35.000 Surprise, surprise, they're right where we are.

00:35:37.000 They surround Washington, D.C. So, where's the benefit to the larger population?

00:35:43.000 There is no benefit. All you have to do is drive across the United States and see what life is like.

00:35:48.000 This is not 1965.

00:35:50.000 This is not 1995.

00:35:52.000 Things are not good. Americans know that.

00:35:54.000 They ask, why? So we know that peace and prosperity ultimately go together.

00:36:02.000 And that's what Eisenhower said.

00:36:04.000 He said people need to know that, yes, we can secure our country, but we can also have prosperity.

00:36:11.000 In other words, we keep defense expenditures and defense activities in check.

00:36:15.000 There's a limit to how much we're going to invest in it.

00:36:17.000 Today, we have a trillion dollar defense budget.

00:36:19.000 And what are we doing? We don't defend our borders.

00:36:22.000 We don't defend our literal waters.

00:36:25.000 Everybody complains about the massive criminality.

00:36:27.000 The police are not allowed to do their jobs in many cases, or if they do, they go to jail and they're afraid to act.

00:36:32.000 And they'll tell you flat out that in many of our big cities, they're going to need military support to restore some measure of order.

00:36:38.000 I remember in 2003, just before we went into Iraq, there was this lovely lady who lived in Washington, D.C. She was an Afro-American or black lady.

00:36:46.000 She was about 65 or 70.

00:36:48.000 She was interviewed on television.

00:36:50.000 And the story was carried in the Washington Post.

00:36:53.000 They said, what do you think about the decision to intervene in Iraq?

00:36:56.000 And she said, well, I wish they'd send the U.S. Army to my neighborhood and get rid of all the criminals and drug salesmen and everything else and bring some peace to my neighborhood.

00:37:07.000 Well, she was right.

00:37:09.000 And right now, we're sending 700 National Guardsmen from Tennessee over to the Middle East.

00:37:16.000 Eastern Tennessee was virtually destroyed by this Hurricane Helene.

00:37:21.000 Why are National Guardsmen in Tennessee going to the Middle East when they should be addressing the damage from the hurricane inside their own states?

00:37:29.000 The same thing is happening in all the other states.

00:37:32.000 What are we doing? This is where Donald Trump gets a lot of support because he says, we can't live in a world that's America last.

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00:39:02.000 The same thing happened...

00:39:04.000 With the Maui fires, when there are internal crises, there are no resources, forces, or will to contend with them.

00:39:13.000 And this, I suppose, is a rather simple revelation that for all of the rhetoric campaigning and ephemera, the agenda of the elites that control this country, and I'm, in a sense, Begin to hesitate, Colonel, even to use a word like country, because it's clearly a sort of a glommed-on consensus of financial, resource-led.

00:39:42.000 Sometimes I query that there might be even darker agenda at play that go beyond materialism.

00:39:48.000 To wit, I mean, a type of spiritual warfare.

00:39:52.000 Because when I ponder the breadth of Of the crises that you're outlining, it seems impossible that such a thing could take place either without the total nullification of good concomitant with the sort of suppression of talk of...

00:40:12.000 Sacredness and basic principles.

00:40:14.000 I mean, you need to get too theological or esoteric about it.

00:40:17.000 The simple values of service, kindness, relationship, community, those kind of ideas.

00:40:23.000 On a broader scale, I wanted to remark on what you're describing.

00:40:27.000 And I know that you're a...

00:40:31.000 Historian, and you understand in particular military history, that when you outline and conflate the current economic and financial crisis that could be ignited by BRICS, were that to become a reality alongside the sound to me

00:40:51.000 pretty complex regional disputes that while somewhat dislocated through the ulterior powers that are

00:40:59.000 interested in those regions could easily become a sort of first world war type of

00:41:06.000 conflict and then when I think about that I wonder if I can see that while listening to you explain it

00:41:16.000 then surely the people that are in charge of you know American foreign policy and the people

00:41:23.000 that are running NATO and the people in the United Kingdom and France can also see it.

00:41:29.000 And then, so the arguments that we make for nationalism, nationalism as opposed to globalism, you know, I suppose when people consider nationalism, there's this idea of exclusivity.

00:41:39.000 You remarked on the issue of migration.

00:41:43.000 Rather than assimilate, communities want to recreate their own conditions.

00:41:47.000 Now, you know, if a nation is anything, I suppose it's a set of shared values, community, you know, we could unpack that obviously for hours.

00:41:56.000 But I wonder if at this point, these principles of subsidiarity that you and I have discussed

00:42:02.000 elsewhere, i.e., as it seemed intended by the forefathers of your nation, a regionalized

00:42:11.000 government, regionalized control, government that operates in service of the people rather

00:42:16.000 than from a position of domination, might in an evolved form, respectfully include,

00:42:26.000 in the same way as even a quaint depiction of New York would have an Irish neighborhood

00:42:32.000 and an Italian neighborhood when migration was presumed to be European.

00:42:37.000 I wonder, in order to accommodate or even create a kind of new consensus and social cohesion, There might need to be a kind of, I'm not talking about constitutional change, but a kind of cultural conversation about what America looks like.

00:42:52.000 Because I can see in my own country that whether a referendum on, do you want net zero migration?

00:42:57.000 I think, you know, this referendum is not taking place for a reason, because I think that's what people would say is, yeah, we want net zero.

00:43:02.000 Then I wonder what the conversation becomes about deportation.

00:43:05.000 You know, this is where, like, sometimes I have a tough time with the right when, you know, when you hear, like, sort of Trump Initially say we would deport the 14,000 murderers and criminals that are pouring across the border.

00:43:19.000 I wonder if codified within that are projects of deportation that might be kind of pogrom-ish rather than selective.

00:43:30.000 I think that's a very good question and it deserves a good answer.

00:43:34.000 And there are various ways to look at it.

00:43:37.000 Between 1815 and 1924...

00:43:42.000 Roughly 32 million people came to the United States overwhelmingly from Europe, from all parts of Europe, from the Caucasus Mountains all the way up to the Arctic Circle.

00:43:54.000 That's a period of not quite, what, 110 years?

00:43:59.000 Now, why 1815?

00:44:01.000 Well, until 1815, The country was not a status quo structure.

00:44:06.000 In other words, it was not fully built.

00:44:08.000 But by 1815, you had administration.

00:44:12.000 By 1815, you had roads and bridges.

00:44:15.000 In other words, we were organized.

00:44:17.000 Until 1815, we weren't, and so we called those people, quote-unquote, settlers.

00:44:23.000 And they still constitute a very large portion of the American population.

00:44:28.000 My ancestors came during that period.

00:44:30.000 And when they showed up, there was nothing here, literally.

00:44:33.000 Were they Appalachian Mountain, McGregor?

00:44:35.000 No, no, no, no. The McGregors came a little later, but my mother's family came in 1681, and they were Quakers that came to New Jersey initially, Burlington, and then moved from there down to Philadelphia and so forth.

00:44:47.000 So they were settling the country.

00:44:49.000 There wasn't much there. And you had Finns and Swedes and Germans, all sorts of people that came in, but that merged quickly into a country, into a nation.

00:44:59.000 You know, Sam Huntington said in 1776 when we declared independence, we were already really a nation, but we became an independent state, nation state, which we hadn't been before.

00:45:11.000 But between 1815 and 1924 you have 32 million people come into the country.

00:45:19.000 That sounds like a great deal, but if you spread that out through several waves of immigration, those are relatively small numbers.

00:45:25.000 We've had more than 40 million within the space of 15 to 20 years, just at the end of the 1980s, into the first part of this century.

00:45:35.000 We now have more than 52 million people, more than 52 million living inside the United States who were not born in the country.

00:45:42.000 We've never had that high percentage of non-Native-born people in the United States.

00:45:47.000 In 1924, we shut down immigration.

00:45:51.000 Because people felt that we needed a pause to ensure that the people who were coming in, that their children would become Americans.

00:45:59.000 How was that politically received, if I may ask?

00:46:01.000 It was very well received at the time because people were very upset by the fact that these people that were coming in in the 1880s, 90s, early 1900s were not all speaking English.

00:46:11.000 They were not becoming part of American society.

00:46:13.000 Who were they in that era? Mostly Southern Europeans and East Europeans.

00:46:18.000 And as a result, they shut it down.

00:46:20.000 And by the way, we had no public school system in the United States until after 1900.

00:46:26.000 The reason we started public schools was for immigrants.

00:46:31.000 Because you were not simply taught reading, writing, arithmetic, and English.

00:46:34.000 You were also taught citizenship.

00:46:36.000 That's why people now say, well, that's quaint.

00:46:38.000 We don't need that anymore. We would stand up in schools every morning, first thing in the morning, we would say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag.

00:46:45.000 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, justice for all, and so forth.

00:46:54.000 There was a reason for that, because you were dealing with children and grandchildren.

00:46:57.000 People didn't speak any English, didn't understand any of those things.

00:47:01.000 They all became Americans.

00:47:03.000 So by the time the Second World War ends, 1945 to say 1965, we are a very homogenous, cohesive population.

00:47:13.000 That then begins to change in 65.

00:47:15.000 There's new immigration legislation that actually favored non-Europeans.

00:47:21.000 And that has resulted in a tremendous demographic change inside the United States.

00:47:26.000 And we have long since, quote-unquote, breached the limits of assimilation.

00:47:31.000 So when you look at the situation in the United States today, a lot of people are saying exactly what you're hearing in England and other countries.

00:47:37.000 We need to stop.

00:47:39.000 We need to halt immigration, period, in order to sort things out, find out who's here.

00:47:44.000 Now, the second thing is the illegal dimension of this.

00:47:48.000 And I think the best solution is you just don't say, everybody who's not here legally, pack your stuff, you're leaving.

00:47:54.000 What you do is you say, all of you who came here illegally, you have 90 days to pack up your gear, leave voluntarily, and on the way out, Give us your name, and as soon as we think we can accept more immigration, we will let you come back.

00:48:12.000 Those of you who refuse to leave, who do not register with us, we will confiscate your property and you will suffer the consequences under our law.

00:48:20.000 We have to establish the rule of law.

00:48:24.000 They're so brutal, I would say, because if you think if that project were not undertaken

00:48:30.000 with conciliatory projects internationally for the territories to which those people will return,

00:48:38.000 who in some cases would directly have borne the consequences of American interventionism,

00:48:43.000 it would seem like a cruel exodus. I just want to sort of tag that. Also, prior to...

00:48:48.000 Well, you realize, for instance, when it comes to Mexico, that more than a third of the Mexican population lives

00:48:55.000 inside the United States.

00:48:55.000 Yeah, but I didn't say illegal.

00:48:59.000 I mean, most of these people are not illegally here.

00:49:01.000 I'm just pointing out that they already send billions of dollars every year back to Mexico.

00:49:07.000 But then I suppose we get into the query of the establishment of that southern border in the first place.

00:49:11.000 Exactly. Let me get back to that.

00:49:13.000 That's very important. In 1929, after the stock market crashed and the Depression set in, Herbert Hoover made the decision to deport 9 million people back to Mexico.

00:49:28.000 He said, I've got to free up jobs for Americans who are now jobless on the streets.

00:49:34.000 If I don't do this, there will be violence.

00:49:38.000 Americans will resent the non-citizens who are holding down jobs that previously they would not do.

00:49:46.000 Now, it didn't end there. Franklin Roosevelt deported another 3.5 million.

00:49:50.000 Harry Truman deported another 2.5 million.

00:49:54.000 And ultimately, Eisenhower, before he left, deported 1.5 million.

00:49:58.000 Now, that border exists for a reason, because we fought a war with Mexico.

00:50:03.000 You know, the Mexicans will never forgive us because they say we took all this land from them.

00:50:06.000 But there were less than 110,000 people living in those lands, and most of them were Native Americans or indigenous tribes.

00:50:13.000 They hadn't done much with it.

00:50:14.000 We filled that overnight with millions of people.

00:50:18.000 Millions. But the truth is, we did not keep Mexico, even though we marched into it, we conquered it, and we temporarily occupied it for a year because we recognized that we could not change the people that lived there and their culture to operate in a way that was commensurate with being Americans.

00:50:37.000 In other words, English, the rule of law, these things are very important.

00:50:42.000 South of the border, there has never been, strictly speaking, rule of law on the British model.

00:50:48.000 And you see, that's something that we created and held to very, very consistently throughout our history.

00:50:53.000 We punished a lot of people, but we kept the rule of law.

00:50:57.000 If you talk to people, as I do regularly, a good friend just became an American citizen.

00:51:02.000 He's Turkish. And I said, you know, I've never asked you this, but just tell me, why did you really want to be an American?

00:51:08.000 He said, oh, that's simple. He said, I love this country.

00:51:11.000 I enjoy traveling through it.

00:51:12.000 I can go anywhere. I can see anybody.

00:51:14.000 But he said, I don't have to bribe anybody to do anything.

00:51:19.000 And when you talk to people like that, that have gone through the process and it took him years to become an American, it was not easy.

00:51:26.000 When you listen to them, the things that they value are the things that made us a great nation, a great power, and a successful economy.

00:51:34.000 And those things do not exist south of the border.

00:51:38.000 I suppose there's a requirement for social codes in order to even make the claim of being a nation, or indeed a civilization, or a society.

00:51:47.000 Well, your borders make nations. Yes, without that, I recognize that, without that liminal space.

00:51:52.000 But what I am...

00:51:54.000 Queering with, for example, the relationship with Mexico, and also the pre-1945 homogeneity that you described as a level of social cohesion that this nation is now bereft of, is that I reckon were we to incorporate into our conversation as an expert in African-American studies, they would say that in that The claim that you've made of homogeneity would have baked into it repression,

00:52:32.000 and if not actual slavery, systems of social...

00:52:36.000 The man you should talk to on that subject is a man named Thomas Sowell.

00:52:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. What would he say?

00:52:40.000 He's very, very good. I do want to talk to him.

00:52:42.000 I see him all the time. And he tries to sort myth from fiction, truth from reality, and that's a whole separate subject.

00:52:50.000 Again, there was a book written by an African-American.

00:52:53.000 This came out several years ago.

00:52:55.000 His name escapes me. He spent time in Africa, and he came back and wrote a book that angered lots of black people because said, thank God you're in the United States.

00:53:02.000 Let me tell you what Africa looks like and be grateful that you're here.

00:53:06.000 That didn't go down well because we have also, I think, unfortunately, cultivated a certain sense of victimhood with certain groups, and it becomes a political reality, even if it's not based on historic fact.

00:53:20.000 And I'm not saying that anyone who came into the country was not subjected to some form of injustice.

00:53:26.000 If you want to go back far enough, go back before the Civil War, if you were Irish and Catholic, you were not treated well at all inside the United States.

00:53:36.000 We can talk about all the reasons for this sort of thing, and I'm not saying that it was right.

00:53:40.000 What I'm saying is that we worked through these things over time because we do have a sense of justice in the United States.

00:53:47.000 We have something called the Bill of Rights.

00:53:49.000 And ultimately, if you read the Bill of Rights, that triumphs over virtually all the injustice if you enforce the law.

00:53:57.000 And remember, when segregation was broken by Eisenhower, he sent the 101st Airborne Division down to Arkansas to ensure that little girls who were black could go to schools where everybody was white.

00:54:11.000 It worked. It corrected the injustice.

00:54:14.000 Now, do we live in a perfect utopia?

00:54:17.000 I'm sure we can find lots of people who don't think so.

00:54:19.000 But I happen to think that most of the time, most Americans view their country in a positive light, at least domestically.

00:54:26.000 But right now, they feel that their country is slipping away from them, much as people in England do, much as people in France do, and in Germany and other countries.

00:54:36.000 They're afraid to say anything in Germany.

00:54:38.000 I lived there for years.

00:54:40.000 I was a student there.

00:54:42.000 I talk to Germans all the time, and they'll be frank.

00:54:44.000 They said, I can't say any of these things in public, or I'll be tarred and feathered as a Nazi.

00:54:50.000 The police will come to my door and accuse me of being some sort of far-right nationalist.

00:54:55.000 He said, I've been a socialist in the Social Democratic Party all my life, and I'm telling you, these are disastrous times, and we now have whole sections of the country that we can't even walk through safely.

00:55:06.000 Where if you do and you're a German woman, you're at risk of being raped and on and on and on.

00:55:12.000 This can't last over time.

00:55:14.000 A government of any country has its first solemn obligation to protect its citizens.

00:55:21.000 There's nothing in the Constitution that obligates us to let anybody come into our country who wants to come here.

00:55:27.000 Yes. When I was considering these social codes and the obvious value of law and order, the alternative to which is chaos, and I suppose that the entropy of chaos is destruction, further disorder, decay.

00:55:45.000 And that consensual governance and social codes that are achieved consensually and via a relation between a community, it seems to me, are likely to succeed.

00:56:02.000 I'm listening very carefully to what you're saying, and you're describing a phenomena that I'm seeing in other milieus, this sort of exponential and rapid change, rapid availability of information, rapid inflation, rapid migration, a sort of vertiginous incline away from being able to sort of really cope with What is this?

00:56:25.000 A boundless quality.

00:56:27.000 All these things, in a sense, feel like an acceleration into chaos, accompanied, as we were covering in the earlier part of our conversation, with regional conflicts backed by superpowers.

00:56:38.000 I sometimes feel that we're being coached into disorder.

00:56:42.000 And the only way to oppose this disorder, or the only way, but a way, firstly there needs to be a recovery of some sort of basic principles, and I wonder from where we might derive them.

00:56:52.000 Essentially, it appears that your position is the sanctification of documents like the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, which are being sort of attacked sometimes in an explicit and obvious way.

00:57:02.000 And elsewhere, in practice, they're being...

00:57:06.000 Actually, what I wonder if could be recovered, and it seems to be necessary to recover, would be a sense of nationhood being about inclusivity rather than exclusion, even though we acknowledge in our conversation that you can't have nation without border because otherwise that's impossible.

00:57:29.000 Yeah, and I've also dealt with people that have come to live in Germany, some Americans, mostly Brits and others, and some were very unhappy.

00:57:39.000 For instance, why were they unhappy?

00:57:41.000 Because on Sunday, things are quiet in Germany.

00:57:44.000 You just can't make noise.

00:57:47.000 If you do, your neighbors will show up and say, what are you doing?

00:57:52.000 Now, some people say, well, that's extreme.

00:57:54.000 I think they should be more tolerant.

00:57:56.000 It's Germany. You know, they're Germans.

00:58:00.000 That's the way they live. So when you go into another country...

00:58:03.000 You have an obligation to take them seriously.

00:58:06.000 You don't walk all over their culture, their way of life.

00:58:09.000 You don't ignore their laws.

00:58:10.000 This is the problem. It's not the only problem.

00:58:13.000 And as an Englishman, you'll really appreciate this.

00:58:15.000 This was this gentleman whose name was Sir William Wallace, became very famous as a freedom fighter in Scotland, and the official history said about him that he believed that the only good Englishman was a dead Englishman, and he put the theory into practice at every opportunity.

00:58:30.000 Well, we're not talking about that.

00:58:32.000 In other words, we're not talking about killing anybody.

00:58:34.000 What we're simply saying is that the borders exist for a reason.

00:58:37.000 You know, people want to live a certain way as a collective group.

00:58:42.000 Can others enter that group?

00:58:44.000 Of course. In small numbers, you can take almost anybody anywhere.

00:58:48.000 But when you...

00:58:49.000 That's why I was trying to get the point across.

00:58:50.000 32 million over 115 years...

00:58:54.000 Compared with 40 million over a space of maybe 12 years.

00:58:58.000 That's insane. You can't absorb it.

00:59:00.000 And it creates friction and anger and violence.

00:59:05.000 And that's why, during the Depression, you had all these efforts to move out people that were foreigners.

00:59:12.000 We didn't want foreigners holding down jobs that Americans needed to avoid violence.

00:59:18.000 Now, when that ended, after the Second World War, we got out of the Depression and so forth, everything changes.

00:59:24.000 My point is that we're in a difficult situation right now.

00:59:27.000 We have to recognize exactly what you said, reality.

00:59:29.000 Reality is we're not all Renaissance men, and we're not inviting everybody to show up and live in our living rooms.

00:59:38.000 You know, most of the people that want these sorts of things, they live in gated communities.

00:59:43.000 They're remote from reality.

00:59:45.000 It's the point I tried to make yesterday when I was speaking about the $35 trillion debt.

00:59:50.000 The people that are responsible for this gross overspending and mismanagement, they're not on the hook for it.

00:59:56.000 We are. The rest of us out here who live the unwashed middle, the working class, the people that show up and fight for the country, they're the ones who are treated as though you're mindless cattle.

01:00:08.000 It's your job to do what we tell you.

01:00:10.000 We don't see it that way.

01:00:14.000 William Wallace, who you mentioned, was executed at the same site in London, this where St.

01:00:19.000 Bart's now stands, and Smithfield Meat Market, where Watt Tyler, the leader of the peasant revolution, came out of Essex like me, was similarly executed after bringing his rebellion to London.

01:00:31.000 He was beheaded there. Well, the reasons were here, you know.

01:00:38.000 What I suppose I'm alluding to, and to your last point, is that there is clearly a requirement for an informed citizenry that have a set of values that are so potent, whether they are based on individual rights, the rights of the family, the rights of the community, the rights of the nation.

01:00:58.000 These rights, which, you know, in a sense can only come from God and the divine if they're not to be arbitrary conjecture, These rights have to mean enough for us to sacrifice for ourselves and maybe sacrifice ourselves.

01:01:13.000 We're up against a ruling class, as you know, that does not see it that way.

01:01:18.000 First of all, they don't think that human distinctions, the things that separate various peoples into groups, into races, into ethnicities, into cultural, whatever it is, they're all irrelevant.

01:01:30.000 I saw this in the Clinton administration in the 1990s when I was involved in the Balkans.

01:01:35.000 And I sat at a table, and one of the Clinton appointees said, well, you know, after all, and I was a lieutenant colonel at that point, Colonel McGregor, the Serbs, the Croats, and the Bosniaks, they're all the same.

01:01:46.000 There are no differences, and they effectively speak the same language, so there's no reason why they can't get along.

01:01:53.000 And I said, well, this may come as a shock to you, but the Bosniaks, the Serbs, and the Croats actually think they are very different, with different histories.

01:02:01.000 The language is not entirely the same.

01:02:04.000 And the Bosniaks in particular, many of themselves, regard themselves as Turks, and at least culturally Muslim.

01:02:11.000 So waving your hand and saying they're all effectively the same won't work.

01:02:16.000 Well, this is the problem.

01:02:18.000 People talk about diversity, but they all want to crush it.

01:02:21.000 They want to homogenize everybody into this, you keep using this word nihilism, which is a good word, into this sort of nihilistic, amorphous mass of workers.

01:02:31.000 Who are just herded in one direction or the next.

01:02:34.000 Go fight here, go to this factory, go to there, do this job.

01:02:38.000 That's not what Americans want.

01:02:41.000 I don't think most Europeans do.

01:02:42.000 No one wants it, I don't think, except for the elites that could plainly benefit.

01:02:46.000 Well, I suppose one of the things we're talking around, Colonel, appears to be sort of the imposition of top-down power, power sort of like being imposed, rather than a power that is consensual and lateral.

01:02:59.000 Of course, there can be a transcendent power, but this is a power that rightly is celestial and belongs to God.

01:03:06.000 Once that power is removed, we're free to create whatever rational gods and edicts.

01:03:12.000 Well, if you know no higher power than yourself, which is the way the ruling class thinks, because they dismiss out of hand all these things as fairy tales.

01:03:21.000 They may not say so publicly, but privately, they regard all this as nonsense.

01:03:26.000 It doesn't matter. These are the globalists that you're referring to.

01:03:30.000 And they're in power.

01:03:32.000 Now, will they last? I don't think so.

01:03:34.000 Because I think people are beginning to pay attention.

01:03:38.000 See, this is the big problem in the United States.

01:03:40.000 People have not paid attention to many things for a long time.

01:03:43.000 Why? Life is good.

01:03:46.000 Oh, it doesn't affect me.

01:03:48.000 That doesn't matter. It doesn't bother me.

01:03:50.000 It's starting to bother people everywhere.

01:03:53.000 And they're beginning to say, wait a minute, I don't sign on for this woke nonsense.

01:03:57.000 I don't believe that men have babies.

01:04:00.000 You know, I don't think that people's genitalia can be chopped off and they can be converted into something else.

01:04:05.000 I don't care about your operation.

01:04:07.000 So wait a minute, I don't buy that.

01:04:09.000 That's what's happening.

01:04:11.000 And those people are beginning to stand up and say no more.

01:04:15.000 And I think it will ultimately terminate this globalist regime that is governing the West.

01:04:20.000 At the same time, they're beginning to figure out, look at what's happened in Ukraine.

01:04:25.000 Look at the hundreds of billions of dollars we spent there.

01:04:27.000 Where are all the new hospitals that should have been built in the United States?

01:04:31.000 Why can't they repair roads and bridges?

01:04:33.000 Why aren't we paying policemen enough to work Why are we fighting over there?

01:04:39.000 You said you're defending a democracy?

01:04:42.000 Ukraine's the most corrupt place in the world.

01:04:45.000 It's probably number one in human trafficking of women and children.

01:04:49.000 We don't know how bad it is, but it's very, very bad.

01:04:53.000 So we have a government that's clamping down, oppressing churches in Ukraine.

01:05:00.000 Why suddenly this anti-Christian mentality?

01:05:03.000 Why are we attacking the Orthodox Christian Church?

01:05:06.000 This is beginning to be felt.

01:05:09.000 But no one asked any hard questions up front.

01:05:12.000 Nothing was debated because, well, if you have a professional force and you can send it anywhere, provided it doesn't take a lot of casualties in one day, no one will pay attention.

01:05:23.000 Now, we lost 58,000 killed in Vietnam over about an eight-and-a-half to nine-year period with another 100,000-plus wounded.

01:05:33.000 But it still took all those years to wake people up to understand what was happening.

01:05:38.000 Well, 600,000 have died in less than three years in Ukraine.

01:05:42.000 And we continue to shovel money in that direction.

01:05:44.000 We know lots of it is going to banks in Cyprus and Albania and God knows where else.

01:05:49.000 They're selling half of the equipment they get from us on the black market.

01:05:52.000 You can go on the dark web and you can buy anything you want.

01:05:55.000 Why are we watching javelin missiles that were sent to Ukraine show up with the Mexican drug cartels?

01:06:01.000 It's all for sale. People are beginning to figure this out.

01:06:05.000 But the elites, they don't care.

01:06:08.000 Because they're living well and they're well paid.

01:06:11.000 Remember, Washington is donor-occupied.

01:06:15.000 Policy is made by donors.

01:06:17.000 Billionaire oligarchs.

01:06:18.000 We have ours now.

01:06:20.000 They're the ones who are determining what the policy should be.

01:06:23.000 Americans are sensing it, but they haven't really figured it out.

01:06:28.000 They need to. Yes, and it appears increasingly, and I'm thankful to be in this position myself, that what is required is nothing less than personal salvation From, with Jesus Christ.

01:06:44.000 And at that point, I feel so much becomes plain that Jesus Christ loves us, that we are loved.

01:06:50.000 With this love and with this acceptance, there is no requirement to yield to top-down ideas, whether they are economic or cultural.

01:06:59.000 But what we are in and of ourselves is an expression of a type of perfection, whilst it may be fallen and coloured by sin.

01:07:07.000 We can return. We can be redeemed through him.

01:07:11.000 And I feel that when this idea is masked, annihilated, obfuscated, lost, and forgotten, people are very, very hungry, looking for things.

01:07:21.000 And hungry, bewildered, famished people will feast upon the insidious and synthetic milk of this culture.

01:07:27.000 Who are the four horsemen of the apocalypse?

01:07:30.000 Nihilism, atheism, Marxism, globalism.

01:07:35.000 All of which reject out of hand everything that you just said.

01:07:39.000 They reject out of hand that human beings, as human beings, have any innate value.

01:07:44.000 We're just fungible commodities, ready to be vaccinated, ready to be herded, ready to be managed and told what to do.

01:07:54.000 That's un-American. That's not American, is that Christian?

01:07:58.000 Yes, Colonel, thank you very much for that wonderful education.

01:08:02.000 I can see the necessity from bottom-up organization and communication, and I'll be glad to talk more about ways that communities can organize politically to ensure that the existing structures that make this republic democratic and free are correctly utilized.

01:08:20.000 Thank you, sir, for your time and for your attention and for your wisdom and expertise.

01:08:23.000 Oh, thank you for Thanks for talking to me at all.

01:08:25.000 I appreciate it.

01:08:26.000 Thanks, Colonel McGregor.

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Stay Free - Russel Brand - October 10, 2024

“Trump Will END THE WAR In Ukraine” Col Douglas Macgregor On Ukraine, Iran, The Border & WW3 – SF471

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