Stay Free - Russel Brand - Tucker’s BREAKING Twitter Announcement! What It REALLY Means! - #126 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

00:00:00.000 In this video, I'm going to be showing you how to make a real gun. This is the gun I

00:00:29.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:00:42.000 You are awakening.

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00:00:47.000 We are on this voyage together as the world around us appears to deteriorate culturally, ecologically, and from almost every conceivable angle sometimes.

00:00:58.000 We are here to tell you that there is a thread of divine truth running through things.

00:01:02.000 We're going to be talking about Trump's trial.

00:01:04.000 Tucker, join in Twitter.

00:01:05.000 We're going to be looking in depth at the Fox, Twitter, and Tucker smearing component.

00:01:11.000 And then if you're watching this on YouTube, we'll be exclusively on Rumble talking to

00:01:15.000 Whitney Webb.

00:01:16.000 If you've seen Whitney Webb before, you'll understand why we have to do that on Rumble,

00:01:20.000 because this is a journalist who is willing to talk truth to power.

00:01:26.000 The reason we joined Rumble is so that we can have free speech.

00:01:28.000 And while Tucker Carlson may believe that the only free speech platform in the world is Twitter, we maintain that Rumble can become an oasis for open dialogue that can include voices from across the spectrum.

00:01:41.000 We welcome all opinions.

00:01:43.000 We welcome open conversation.

00:01:45.000 But before we get into Whitney Webb and talking about Bill Gates and all of the complex and difficult stories in the world, let's have a look at a Eurovision song contestant.

00:01:55.000 That's something we have in Europe where people get together and sing usually kind of kitsch songs.

00:01:59.000 This guy's from Moldovia.

00:02:01.000 See if you think he's nicking my look.

00:02:03.000 That's what I'd like to ask.

00:02:04.000 Let's have a look.

00:02:05.000 He's nicking my look, isn't he?

00:02:16.000 That's what you were doing last week in that barn.

00:02:18.000 I wondered what you were spending all that time doing.

00:02:20.000 What are you doing in that silky garment?

00:02:23.000 Arms flung wide.

00:02:24.000 I actually have dressed in that exact outfit.

00:02:28.000 I saw that earlier and I was like, hmm, this is where it's gotten to now.

00:02:32.000 This is where the plagiarism has gotten us to.

00:02:35.000 Of course, the world is agog at the result of the Trump civil case.

00:02:42.000 Trump has been found Guilty.

00:02:44.000 And I guess this is another one of those cases.

00:02:47.000 And let us know in the chat if you agree with this.

00:02:49.000 You can join us on Locals by pressing the red button on your screen now.

00:02:52.000 That will show us what a divided culture we are living in.

00:02:56.000 Whether it's an election result or the result of a, well not a criminal trial, a civil trial.

00:03:01.000 It seems that there is no faith in justice.

00:03:04.000 Let me tell you what I mean by that.

00:03:06.000 If you're a person that really, really likes Donald Trump, my assumption is that you'll feel that this is an unfair verdict.

00:03:12.000 If you're a person who loathes Donald Trump, my sense is that you'll feel that this is a righteous and correct verdict.

00:03:17.000 If you're a person that has an affiliation with an aspect of this important and significant issue, you will line up where you usually line up.

00:03:24.000 And we've said the same thing about elections.

00:03:26.000 Can you imagine whoever Joe Biden runs again in the next election?

00:03:31.000 I mean, does this mean it's impossible that it will be Donald Trump?

00:03:34.000 The sense is, Still possible, still possible.

00:03:38.000 Like, whatever the result of that election, like the last few elections, the team, the party that loses will contest the general.

00:03:47.000 Thank you so much for dealing with that ongoing, broadly unacceptable noise.

00:03:52.000 Thank you so much.

00:03:53.000 The party that is not victorious will ultimately say, oh, it's, you know, it's not legitimate.

00:03:59.000 I think that points to something really significant in our culture.

00:04:02.000 Where is the moral authority and legitimacy now, beyond tribal affiliation?

00:04:07.000 Will there be people that really, really love Donald Trump that say, no, I actually believe that he is guilty?

00:04:13.000 Or will there be people that loathe Donald Trump that say, oh, I don't think he is guilty?

00:04:17.000 Or broadly speaking, will the opinions be divided along those lines?

00:04:22.000 So again, it's one of those moments that shows us that the culture is losing its cohesion.

00:04:28.000 I think some people will be like incredibly happy and see it as justice done.

00:04:32.000 Other people will be agitated and aggravated.

00:04:34.000 And certainly I think Trump himself says he's going to appeal.

00:04:37.000 Is that right?

00:04:37.000 That's what I've heard anyway.

00:04:39.000 So again, let us know in the chat and the comments what you feel about this difficult story, this sad story of what sounds like one of the things that's confusing is that if it's a criminal case and it's been carried out on a civil level, so much complexity around those things.

00:04:54.000 You just wonder where the Trump story's going to go, don't you?

00:04:56.000 I mean, there's just one thing after another thing and you just wonder where this narrative is going to lead to.

00:05:01.000 Yeah, where does this lead when this is such a significant person who's detested by so many people and adored and loved and revered by so many people?

00:05:09.000 It starts to feel to me like the visible symptom of a fractured nation.

00:05:18.000 We spoke to Robert F. Kennedy and you'll be able to see that on tomorrow's show.

00:05:23.000 No, Friday show.

00:05:24.000 Friday show, you're going to be able to see that.

00:05:25.000 If you're a member of our locals community, press the red button to join that.

00:05:27.000 You can watch it right now.

00:05:29.000 And if you're a member of our locals community, you can join these conversations live as they happen.

00:05:29.000 It's already there.

00:05:35.000 It's really worth doing.

00:05:38.000 You get the sense that People are so dissatisfied with centralised authority.

00:05:42.000 There's so much suspicion around all of our institutions.

00:05:45.000 No one trusts the mainstream media anymore.

00:05:47.000 No one trusts the political establishment.

00:05:49.000 No one trusts the financial world.

00:05:51.000 There's so much disdain, so much loathing, that it has to be addressed beyond the level of individual matters.

00:05:58.000 Although individual matters have to be dealt with as well, particularly in the event of egregious actions, of course they do.

00:06:04.000 But at the broader cultural and social level, where are we heading?

00:06:09.000 RFK, it's so amazing to chat to him because he's someone that's got anecdotes with Marilyn Monroe in them.

00:06:15.000 Anecdotes with Jackie Kennedy in them.

00:06:18.000 That's there when the news is received that Jack Ruby has shot Lee Harvey Oswald.

00:06:24.000 And the evidence for Lee Harvey Oswald being a CIA asset is just beyond doubt now.

00:06:33.000 Oh, uh, thank you.

00:06:34.000 Allegedly!

00:06:35.000 I mean, that's why this is a... Like, if you think you're in... Like, I know you lot on Rumble.

00:06:40.000 I know you well.

00:06:41.000 I've learned to know you, and I've learned to love you.

00:06:43.000 I love you.

00:06:44.000 I love you guys, and the significance of love in all of this, you know, can't be doubted.

00:06:48.000 You might think you know conspiracy theories.

00:06:50.000 You might think you know deep state power.

00:06:52.000 You might think you're down with all of that.

00:06:54.000 Well, RFK has, in some cases, literally seen where the bodies are buried, and It's an incredible portrait of America and American history that he paints.

00:07:03.000 His views on the pandemic, his views on Antony Fauci, like, you know, some of the stuff.

00:07:07.000 We read the comments, obviously, and that's why we urge you to join us on Locals Now, where the comments are running by now.

00:07:12.000 Turtle Mountain and Chief411, all of you guys are right there loving you.

00:07:16.000 Thank you for the compliments on the suit, by the way, guys.

00:07:19.000 Look, what RFK shows you is that America is a nation in need of urgent change.

00:07:25.000 And by his reckoning, America has been in this position before.

00:07:29.000 Immediately before the changes in the 1930s, the New Deal, the significant changes, the attacks that took place on financial institutions around that time, the empowerment of America, a new kind of populism was born then.

00:07:44.000 Now, anything that's antithetical to the state agenda is immediately condemned as right-wing, whether it's being pro-free speech, being suspicious about the fate of Julian Assange, opposing incremental surveillance.

00:08:00.000 We'll be telling you more.

00:08:02.000 I think next week we're going to go into this in more detail.

00:08:05.000 Like about how Biden is lobbying to continue the surveillance powers that were introduced after 9-11 by exaggerating, in my view, and that's just an opinion, the threat of American drug cartels and the ability to impede and control them that continuing these surveillance powers will give them.

00:08:24.000 Essentially, now they know the war on terror is over, they have to find new wars.

00:08:28.000 we were taught problem, reaction, solution. The current problem, fentanyl, Mexican drug cartels.

00:08:34.000 It's not that it isn't a problem, it is a problem, but it's how you're using this problem to get what

00:08:40.000 you want, which is an extension of some of the things that is warrantless surveillance of American

00:08:44.000 people. Haven't we known for years now that that's not a good thing? How many people have to talk

00:08:49.000 about how bad that is, how bad a thing that is happening to the American public? Because what it

00:08:53.000 fundamentally means is that they are able, and they are already doing this, store data without

00:08:57.000 And that means your data, my data, can just be stored on massive databases.

00:09:01.000 You know, I'm an old school guy.

00:09:02.000 I don't understand this stuff.

00:09:03.000 But they can then go and access it whenever they want.

00:09:05.000 That's what Edward Snowden was telling us.

00:09:07.000 And as Gareth rightly points out, one approach could be, oh, we've got to stop these drug cartels.

00:09:11.000 But you know how the pharmaceutical industry created that opioid pandemic.

00:09:16.000 Allegedly!

00:09:18.000 Because it was settled out of court, so I have to present that.

00:09:20.000 But we know it, don't we?

00:09:21.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments if you agree with that.

00:09:24.000 Another approach, if you have a nation of people that are taking painkillers en masse, do you think that that might be an indication that there's some pain?

00:09:32.000 And if in the immediate aftermath of that pandemic, You have the sense that ordinary businesses collapsed, ordinary people's lives were annihilated.

00:09:42.000 Meanwhile, there was a massive wealth transfer in the favor of the elites.

00:09:45.000 It leaves us with so many questions, so little trust in the establishment.

00:09:50.000 Look at this story, the ongoing Hunter Biden laptop stuff.

00:09:54.000 I mean, and again, as we continually say, as a person in recovery, I'm sympathetic towards Hunter Biden's personal problems and no judgment there.

00:10:01.000 He's a person that's like me on the path trying to recover from addiction issues.

00:10:06.000 But when it comes to the financial aspects of it and the potential for Joe Biden to have been involved...

00:10:10.000 ...involved in his deals with Burisma, the Ukrainian gas firm there, and CIA coercion, like RFK saying, get rid of the CIA, dismantle the CIA, while simultaneously acknowledging there'll be decent people working at the CIA.

00:10:22.000 Members of his own family have been in the CIA, of course.

00:10:25.000 Like the Hunter Biden story rolls on.

00:10:28.000 This is a bit of good news, I would say.

00:10:30.000 Definitely.

00:10:31.000 Australian MPs are urging the US to end their beer to extra diet Julian Assange.

00:10:36.000 We read that letter out the other day that he wrote from like from Belmarsh prison where he's currently incarcerated illegally because he's certainly not had a trial and he's certainly not guilty of anything.

00:10:47.000 So not certainly not from a criminal perspective.

00:10:49.000 So like the case of Assange I think is almost a litmus test for where Our morality is.

00:10:58.000 We have to believe that there's something wrong with drug cartels.

00:11:02.000 You know what I like?

00:11:04.000 Drug cartels!

00:11:05.000 But we have to amplify that threat and suggest that the solution to that threat is new ongoing surveillance powers evoked in 9-11.

00:11:14.000 Julian Assange, you have to sort of deny yourself a fundamental truth to leave Julian Assange in Belmarsh and a lot of people are willing to do it, seemingly.

00:11:23.000 It's interesting the amount of things that all the stories that are coming up here are things that lead us back to talking about RFK, you know, in your interview yesterday.

00:11:30.000 Well, surveillance was one of the things that he was talking about, disbanding, as you say, like breaking up the CIA and disbanding the surveillance apparatus that's going on.

00:11:30.000 What do you think that is?

00:11:37.000 Julian Assange, he's like said that he would pardon Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

00:11:42.000 And what I would say is like to tee up that interview on Friday, it's a fantastic interview.

00:11:46.000 Like if you want, if you think people on the right are criticizing America's foreign policy, the Ukraine war, and the military industrial complex, you should wait until you hear what RFK says about that.

00:11:55.000 Because if you have someone who's running to be the president of the United States, I don't think it matters if they're independent, democrat or republican, it would only for me be relevant that this is a person that gets into office that says we are going to end wars, we're going to bring the troops home, we are going to dismantle the CIA, we're going to stop surveilling people, we're going to have a massive investigation into what went on during the pandemic, We're going to do our best to address the obvious cultural scars that America bears and find a way that is beyond shame and blame of creating a better America.

00:12:26.000 This is a kind of agenda and trajectory that that nation, your nation, Must go on.

00:12:33.000 That's not someone ending donation, addressing the excessive power of the military-industrial complex.

00:12:40.000 He's literally talking about things that would make a difference.

00:12:43.000 What you'll notice when Biden runs a campaign video is either stuff he won't do or stuff that won't make a difference.

00:12:50.000 We beat Big Pharma this year.

00:12:50.000 That's what it is.

00:12:52.000 We capped a few drug prices.

00:12:53.000 Their profits are going to be the same.

00:12:55.000 We use taxpayer money to fund the development of those medications.

00:12:57.000 When they get sold, the profits go to them. 0.94

00:13:00.000 I mean, it's absurd and ridiculous.

00:13:02.000 RFK... Yeah, and on the right you could say, you know, we've got to stop this, or some quarters of the right would say, oh, this war in Ukraine's got to stop, but whilst we amplify this war going on with China, you know, it's either side, the things that they are saying, versus the things that RFK is actually saying about bringing the troops home, stopping these wars permanently.

00:13:19.000 What we believe fundamentally here on Stay Free is neither the Republican Party or the Democrat Party are, when it comes to it, interested in you.

00:13:27.000 That within the mainstream media, whether their inflection is of the left or the right, they ultimately are beholden to corporate interests that mean that when it comes to crunch time, they will not support you.

00:13:36.000 Perhaps new change will come in the form of new elites, and it's difficult to argue that Elon Musk is not part of that new elite, and he has made, and this is our main story today, a hell of a sign-in and a hell of a Shall we call it a big boy move?

00:13:51.000 Tucker Carlson's going to be on Twitter now.

00:13:53.000 This is amazing.

00:13:55.000 As you know, I've got Elon's number.

00:13:57.000 So I was just calling Elon Musk to try and get an interview.

00:14:01.000 I thought, just call directly.

00:14:03.000 Because you do all our guest bookings, don't you?

00:14:05.000 One of my many jobs here is to come up with these stories, the research, iLegal, all the pieces to make sure nothing incendiary or insensitive.

00:14:11.000 You put that button there with the allegedly on there, that's you.

00:14:16.000 I go over to Taiwan myself, get all the semiconductors, get this stuff all working.

00:14:20.000 And by the way, tensions over there seem to be amplified.

00:14:23.000 I don't know what's going on.

00:14:25.000 Anyway, I do all of the work, as you can tell from my whole personality.

00:14:28.000 So I was ringing Elon Musk, and like, That wasn't Elon.

00:14:37.000 I wasn't sure.

00:14:38.000 So I asked him some questions about the nature of AI and Neuralink and I wasn't satisfied with the answers because it's more... I thought maybe he's done Neuralink already and he's talking to us from a sort of an AI sentience.

00:14:49.000 Yes, he's neuralinked himself right up.

00:14:51.000 He's neuralinked himself to some sort of cloud, to some sort of AI demigod, and I'm receiving the raw data like computers in the 80s when you had to load it from a cassette and it used to go... You didn't store it on a database, did you?

00:15:03.000 Yeah, I've got all that info.

00:15:05.000 I can use that against Elon Musk.

00:15:07.000 If Elon steps out of line, I've got... He sounded like a ZX Spectrum noises from the 1980s.

00:15:12.000 Do you remember computer games in the 80s?

00:15:17.000 Are we going down that road?

00:15:18.000 Or are we going to talk about Tucker Carlson on Twitter?

00:15:21.000 So, he's going to have his new show on Twitter.

00:15:25.000 So, Twitter now is going to be rivaling Rumble, presumably.

00:15:28.000 As a free speech platform.

00:15:31.000 So, look, what's he saying, Musk?

00:15:33.000 I want to be clear that we've not signed a deal of any kind.

00:15:35.000 Tucker is subject to the same rules and rewards of all content creators.

00:15:39.000 Oh, God, what does that mean?

00:15:41.000 Yeah, well, I think what he's saying is there's no contract being signed.

00:15:45.000 I don't know about a financial agreement that's going on, but I think from Tucker's perspective, he just wants to be out there telling his truth, ultimately.

00:15:52.000 I mean, there's so much stuff being said about him at the moment.

00:15:55.000 Fox are obviously on a bit of an agenda to potentially even smear Tucker in terms of the type of stuff that's getting released.

00:16:01.000 We'll be doing more on that later on in the show.

00:16:04.000 And I think from Tucker's perspective and some of the things he was saying to you when you were on Fox before, he's got opinions about what's going on at the moment.

00:16:10.000 I think he just wants to be able to get it out there.

00:16:12.000 We feel that Tucker Carlson's gone on, in some ways similar to us actually, a sort of a public journey of reappraisal.

00:16:20.000 I've always been sort of an anti-establishment person but Tucker by his own reckoning is someone who says he feels guilty about promoting the Iraq war.

00:16:27.000 We've said publicly that around the subject of race we have like overt disagreements with some of Tucker's Rhetoric, but we think, and let us know in the chat in the comments what you think, but it's important to find new alliances if your ultimate interest is creating new systems and challenging the establishment.

00:16:41.000 It's difficult to do that if you sort of partition yourself away from anti-establishment voices.

00:16:48.000 Who in mainstream media has been more anti-war?

00:16:51.000 Then Tucker Carlson who has been more willing to attack the corporatization of American politics and latterly whether it's Republican or Democrat and I feel like that's where the future lies.

00:17:02.000 This is Tucker Carlson's announcement.

00:17:04.000 I'm not sure if I want to see Brian Stelter first or Tucker.

00:17:07.000 Because I know that I'm going to get a kick out of seeing Brian Stelter criticizing Tucker.

00:17:10.000 Can you tell me in the chat, do you want us to show Tucker doing his announcement about Twitter first?

00:17:14.000 Or Brian Stelter on NBC will take the first five answers over here on Locals and we'll go with that.

00:17:20.000 So press the red button on your screen, join us on Locals.

00:17:22.000 It's the thing.

00:17:23.000 NBC, Tucker, Tucker, Tucker.

00:17:25.000 It's Tucker.

00:17:25.000 No, Tucker's one.

00:17:26.000 Let's have a look at Tucker first.

00:17:27.000 This is Tucker's announcement.

00:17:29.000 Hey, it's Tucker Carlson.

00:17:31.000 You often hear people say the news is full of lies.

00:17:34.000 But most of the time, that's not exactly right.

00:17:37.000 Much of what you see on television or read in the New York Times is, in fact, true in the literal sense.

00:17:42.000 You could pass one of the media's own fact checks.

00:17:45.000 Lawyers would be willing to sign off on it.

00:17:46.000 In fact, they may have.

00:17:48.000 But that doesn't make it true.

00:17:50.000 It's not because his tone is still exactly the same.

00:17:53.000 That's still Tucker.

00:17:55.000 Tucker's brand is big enough to survive Fox.

00:17:58.000 That's why Fox has got to destroy Tucker in order to not see a significant loss of value,

00:18:05.000 I would say.

00:18:06.000 I was just thinking as well, you know the point that they made about the financial and

00:18:09.000 the contractual side of things.

00:18:10.000 That's obviously, he's under contract at Fox.

00:18:13.000 One of the big things I think at the moment is Fox want to keep him under contract and

00:18:16.000 he wants to get out of that contract.

00:18:17.000 So him going on Twitter and doing this without a contract is a way of still broadcasting

00:18:23.000 his content but without signing a new contract.

00:18:25.000 What a fascinating maneuvering.

00:18:26.000 Again, what we're reading, and we think what the media at large are reading, is that Tucker moving into a different media space is a seismic event in the shift.

00:18:39.000 of power between independent media and mainstream media, which of course was to a degree precipitated

00:18:45.000 by an outspoken platform owner like Elon Musk. Not that Zuckerberg ain't powerful, of course he is.

00:18:51.000 All the people that own those things are by are de facto powerful because you can't own one of

00:18:55.000 those things if you ain't powerful. It's just that Elon Musk, whether you agree with him or don't

00:18:58.000 agree with him, is not in alignment with mainstream narratives overtly and plainly. So they are trying

00:19:05.000 to shut down Elon Musk, he's too powerful. And now there's this voice being added into the mix.

00:19:09.000 It's extraordinary, I would say. Let me know what you think in the chat, guys. But I feel that what

00:19:15.000 this means is that the balance of power is shifting. And I think that can only be a good

00:19:19.000 thing, even if you are far, far left, ultra liberal, progressive, SJW, all issues, by the way,

00:19:26.000 that I'm sympathetic to, the ideas that I grew up with, culturally what I belong to.

00:19:31.000 You're going to find new allies in surprising places.

00:19:35.000 That's what I believe.

00:19:36.000 As people have more control in their own lives, particularly if this media power becomes at some point political, that's what's going to get really exciting.

00:19:42.000 Well, just to jump in on the stuff in terms of right versus left on this and where you find yourself, one of the things that came about through the Twitter files was the revelations, again through Taibbi and Schellenberger, was that a lot of left-wing sites, independent sites, were being barred from people seeing.

00:19:58.000 So it wasn't just overwhelmingly right stuff, it was a lot of left-wing media.

00:20:02.000 Well, like Martin Gurry says, it's no longer left versus right, it's center versus periphery.

00:20:09.000 If you are a peripheral voice, like Greyzone, they are like, and Jacobin and all these sort

00:20:13.000 of publications, they're left.

00:20:16.000 They're attacking the establishment from the left.

00:20:17.000 They're saying, hold on a minute.

00:20:19.000 If Joe Biden says nothing's going to fundamentally change, you don't have a left wing.

00:20:22.000 You have just have an establishment government.

00:20:24.000 That's what you've got.

00:20:25.000 That's what you have now.

00:20:26.000 Entrenched careerist politicians who belong to the mentality of lobbying and donations

00:20:32.000 is what guides the trajectory of political decision making, not the will of ordinary

00:20:37.000 people.

00:20:38.000 Should we have a look at the rest of what Tucker's saying?

00:20:40.000 True.

00:20:41.000 At the most basic level, the news you consume is a lie.

00:20:44.000 A lie of the stealthiest and most insidious kind.

00:20:48.000 Facts have been withheld on purpose, along with proportion and perspective.

00:20:53.000 You are being manipulated.

00:20:54.000 How does that work?

00:20:55.000 Let's see.

00:20:56.000 If I tell you that a man has been unjustly- If you imagine all of this being said by Noam Chomsky, Well, like, it's just, like, you wouldn't go, no, Chomsky's gone mad.

00:21:06.000 Would ya?

00:21:07.000 He's saying, like, the media's manipulated.

00:21:08.000 It's media analysis.

00:21:10.000 Arrested for armed robbery.

00:21:11.000 That is not, strictly speaking, a lie.

00:21:13.000 He may have been framed.

00:21:15.000 At this point, there's been no trial, so no one can really say.

00:21:18.000 But if I don't mention the fact that the same man has been arrested for the same crime six times before, am I really informing you?

00:21:26.000 No, I'm not.

00:21:27.000 There's something about the way he talks that is sort of weird, because it's not patronising, but it is somehow simplifying.

00:21:34.000 I feel like, I really understand this stuff.

00:21:37.000 No, it isn't!

00:21:38.000 And then it also feels very certain, but not aggressive.

00:21:41.000 It's weird, isn't it, these days, because there are almost aesthetics that you can appreciate in figures.

00:21:48.000 Because they're sort of, what do I want to say, refined, sophisticated and interesting that transcends whether or not you would morally align with those people.

00:21:58.000 Like if you see Tucker Carlson and go, oh no, I get it, I get it, I do the same thing, you just wanted to have different rules for you and different rules for you.

00:22:04.000 Oh my god, this guy's style.

00:22:05.000 You can't beat this guy in a conversation.

00:22:08.000 What I like about this is obviously as you say this is media analysis from Tucker and what you wonder if this is like a kind of taste of what's to come is like someone coming from the position that he has in the mainstream and there was no one bigger than Tucker obviously we know he was an MSNBC before that and then to Fox the kind of things that now he seems to be moving over to kind of independent media the revelations and the analysis of the mainstream might be Seismic.

00:22:32.000 It might be pretty amazing, the kind of ways in which the mainstream delivers their news, in which they cover up certain ways of doing things, the agendas that the mainstream has.

00:22:41.000 Certainly if our conversation with RFK, which you can see on Friday, or right now on Locus if you want, if that's anything to go by, then it will be.

00:22:46.000 Because when you talk to someone inside the establishment that, no, like, I know the guys that run the CIA.

00:22:51.000 I was there when that happened.

00:22:52.000 Like, you know, when you were in the midst of history, like this guy, what he understands and knows is incredible.

00:23:00.000 Also, is someone that won like corporate cases against Monsanto, like the fact that the,

00:23:07.000 I've got to say this and tell me what you think, the fact that the left is like,

00:23:09.000 anti-vaxxer, shut him down, shut him down. 0.96

00:23:11.000 That shows you that authoritarianism has a different inflection now,

00:23:18.000 because abandoning someone because they have different position to you

00:23:22.000 on a subject like vaccination, because like abandon them altogether,

00:23:26.000 even though they've won battles against Monsanto, that they're environmentalists defining issues

00:23:32.000 for the Democrat party, which he's running, you know, for the candidacy to lead that party.

00:23:37.000 It sort of shows that.

00:23:38.000 The real ideology is about staying within very narrow trammels.

00:23:42.000 And I say that those lines are determined by corporate interest, not by anything else.

00:23:46.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

00:23:48.000 So you're right, Gareth, like he's going to have truth bombs, this guy, right?

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 I'm misleading you.

00:23:54.000 And that's what the news media are doing in every story that matters, every day of the week, every week of the year.

00:24:01.000 what's it like to you know we did that bit with john stewart because we we love john stewart right

00:24:05.000 and john stewart thinks that um tucker carlson is not legit that tucker carlson is a sort of

00:24:12.000 manipulator that's trying to i think stewart's words we're trying to marshal the darkest forces

00:24:17.000 which i guess means stuff around race and prejudice and that kind of stuff well now we'll find out i

00:24:23.000 mean because now there isn't a fox news script so now we'll find out who tucker carlson is and if

00:24:27.000 he's if it's more the stuff that he was saying the anti-corporate stuff and the criticisms of

00:24:32.000 the republicans and the democrats or whether it's more like what jones john stewart said

00:24:36.000 Work in a system like that.

00:24:37.000 After more than 30 years in the middle of it, we could tell you stories.

00:24:40.000 NBC and Brian Stelter yet. Let us know in the chat. Red button on your screen guys if you're not on locals yet.

00:24:45.000 Sees Mick, he's pronounced sighs Mick over here.

00:24:49.000 NBC, finish Tucker. If you want to finish Tucker, I'm gonna let Tucker play out.

00:24:53.000 Work in a system like that.

00:24:55.000 After more than 30 years in the middle of it, we could tell you stories.

00:24:58.000 The best you can hope for in the news business at this point is the freedom to tell the fullest truth that you can.

00:25:04.000 But there are always limits.

00:25:07.000 And you know that if you bump up against those limits often enough, You will be fired for it.

00:25:12.000 That's not a guess, it's guaranteed.

00:25:13.000 Every person who works in English language media understands that.

00:25:16.000 The rule of what you can't say defines everything.

00:25:19.000 I'll engage you to that. Well done, guys.

00:25:21.000 You will be fired for it.

00:25:22.000 That's not a guess.

00:25:24.000 It's guaranteed.

00:25:25.000 Every person...

00:25:26.000 That's what happened to him.

00:25:27.000 This happened to him.

00:25:28.000 ...who works in English language media understands that.

00:25:32.000 The rule of what you can't say defines everything.

00:25:35.000 It's filthy, really, and it's utterly corrupting.

00:25:39.000 You can't have a free society if people aren't allowed to say what they think is true.

00:25:44.000 Speech is the fundamental prerequisite for democracy.

00:25:47.000 Kay said the same thing, because without freedom of speech, you have the ability to censor and control.

00:25:51.000 That means you can control every single other issue.

00:25:54.000 That's, again, you've got to watch this conversation with RFK.

00:25:56.000 If you're watching this on Locals, it's available there now, or we're going to TX it, as we say in the industry, on Friday, right?

00:26:03.000 It's unbelievable.

00:26:05.000 And what's fascinating about it is he has the same views when it comes to free speech as Tucker here.

00:26:11.000 Yeah.

00:26:12.000 And what, you know, when Tucker's talking about, well, those are digs at Fox News, aren't they?

00:26:15.000 Yeah.

00:26:16.000 Again, what we'll go into later on in the show, but the things that have come out that either Fox News released themselves or has been released in some other ways, doesn't seem like enough to justify firing Tucker.

00:26:27.000 So something's happened that they didn't like.

00:26:30.000 They didn't like the direction he was going.

00:26:31.000 And it also doesn't make rational sense because a lot of Fox News, Why do you speak ill of the fairer sex?

00:26:37.000 As much as not how you feel that Robert Murdoch, uh, Robert Murdoch, Rupert Murdoch runs his deal.

00:26:41.000 Let's just take a play out.

00:26:43.000 That's why it's enshrined in the first of our constitution.

00:26:46.000 Four amendments.

00:26:46.000 Wait, thanks.

00:26:47.000 Amazingly, as of tonight, there aren't many platforms left that allow free speech.

00:26:53.000 The last big one remaining in the world, the only one, is Twitter, where we are now.

00:26:59.000 Twitter has long served as the place where our national conversation incubates and develops.

00:27:05.000 Twitter is not a partisan site.

00:27:06.000 Everybody's allowed here, and we think that's a good thing.

00:27:10.000 And yet for the most part, the news that you see analyzed on Twitter comes from media organizations that are themselves thinly disguised propaganda outlets.

00:27:19.000 You see it on cable news, you talk about it on Twitter.

00:27:22.000 The result may feel like a debate, but actually the gatekeepers are still in charge.

00:27:28.000 We think that's a bad system.

00:27:30.000 We know exactly how it works.

00:27:33.000 Does he mean me in Twitter?

00:27:35.000 Already?

00:27:37.000 Who's the we?

00:27:38.000 Who do you think the we is?

00:27:40.000 And we're sick of it.

00:27:42.000 Starting soon, we'll be bringing a new version of the show we've been doing for the last six and a half years to Twitter.

00:27:47.000 We bring some other things too, which we as his team will tell you about.

00:27:52.000 But for now, we're just grateful to be here.

00:27:54.000 Free speech is the main right that you have.

00:27:57.000 Without it, you have no others.

00:27:59.000 See That's why I want the monitor on.

00:28:15.000 I'll see what's going on over at this place.

00:28:18.000 Tucker will be directing like that.

00:28:19.000 Okay, so listen, I tried that when I was on Tucker.

00:28:21.000 I know you did.

00:28:23.000 It's just my nature.

00:28:24.000 Let's have a look.

00:28:25.000 So we want to see what Brian Stelter has got to say about this.

00:28:28.000 And if you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to be on exclusively on Rumble from Matt.

00:28:33.000 Well, you'll understand. Whitney Webb's coming on.

00:28:35.000 Whitney Webb's talking about Epstein in particular.

00:28:38.000 Am I allowed to say, like she's got...

00:28:40.000 I think you can mention his name.

00:28:41.000 It's in relation to Bill Gates.

00:28:43.000 It's in relation to the head of the CIA.

00:28:46.000 It's stuff that I just can't risk talking about on YouTube.

00:28:48.000 We love you 6.4 million Awakening Wonders.

00:28:51.000 We want to keep you.

00:28:52.000 We can't take the strikes.

00:28:53.000 You know, we had Dr. John Campbell on here.

00:28:55.000 You know, you've got to be so careful.

00:28:57.000 We have to keep that audience alive.

00:28:58.000 That's why we want you to click on that link right now.

00:29:01.000 Join us on Rumble, where we can speak freely.

00:29:02.000 And that's not bad.

00:29:03.000 We're not going to go yet.

00:29:04.000 But first, we're going to do this thing with NBC and Brian Stilwell.

00:29:07.000 Let's have a look.

00:29:08.000 Okay, well listen, Twitter was already under fire for misinformation, disinformation, all-out lies, anti-Semitic... Invented those words.

00:29:15.000 They invented those words.

00:29:17.000 Misinformation, disinformation.

00:29:18.000 That has been invented in order to like...

00:29:22.000 Oh, do anyone in the world think, listen, that what the purpose of these new categories of mis and disinformation is, is, listen, this is very dangerous.

00:29:30.000 People are going to take medicine and stuff that's actually bad for them.

00:29:33.000 So in order to be able to stop that, you know, if it was exclusively that we've seen now from the Twitter files, they were, they were censoring true information from across the political spectrum.

00:29:44.000 The FBI were paying them money.

00:29:45.000 I mean, it's just not what these people are continuing to pretend it was.

00:29:50.000 You sound shocked with Brian Steltz on the screen.

00:29:52.000 Because I'm excited and he's going to talk in a minute.

00:29:54.000 ... racism before Elon Musk took over and now it's gotten kind of crazy, right?

00:30:00.000 Seemingly unmoored, if you will.

00:30:02.000 Will anybody be able to police what Carlson says?

00:30:05.000 Or is this the point? It's just a free-for-all.

00:30:09.000 I think this is the point. It is a free-for-all.

00:30:10.000 It's what Elon Musk wants to provide.

00:30:12.000 This move by Tucker may cement the idea of Twitter as a right-wing website.

00:30:17.000 Amazing.

00:30:18.000 You've got to get more of that.

00:30:19.000 I want to see more of this guy saying this stuff.

00:30:21.000 Like, because... Pundit for hire, Brian Stelton.

00:30:24.000 Yeah, I can take on anything now!

00:30:26.000 Do you think he'd come on here?

00:30:27.000 I think it'd be a good interview.

00:30:28.000 I reckon if we paid him enough.

00:30:29.000 Yeah, I'd like to have him on.

00:30:31.000 I mean, like, also just like that, No one's going to be policing Tucker Carlson.

00:30:35.000 It's also weird how he said, we know Twitter, uh, you know, is a hotbed for disinformation, misinformation.

00:30:41.000 And that was before Elon Musk took it over.

00:30:42.000 It's like, well, which is it that you prefer then?

00:30:44.000 Did you prefer it before?

00:30:45.000 Or do you like it now?

00:30:51.000 What is your preference?

00:30:51.000 What is it?

00:30:53.000 The preference is control.

00:30:55.000 No principles, no values.

00:30:56.000 This is what we continually point to.

00:30:58.000 We want to see a continuum of values.

00:31:00.000 OK, we're going to listen.

00:31:01.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, Whitney Webb's joining me now, an investigative journalist renowned for her work exposing Jeffrey Epstein.

00:31:08.000 We're going to be talking to her right now over on Rumble.

00:31:12.000 It's not the kind of thing we can talk about on YouTube.

00:31:14.000 So click on the link in the description and then come all the way through and join us on Locals, where we'll be following your Okay, Whitney, are you there?

00:31:23.000 Whitney, Whitney, are you there?

00:31:24.000 Where are you, Whitney?

00:31:26.000 In Chile inside a grandmother's handbag, as usual. 1.00

00:31:29.000 Thanks for coming on, Whitney.

00:31:31.000 Yeah, my pleasure.

00:31:32.000 Thanks for having me back on.

00:31:33.000 Have you got a baby again?

00:31:36.000 Uh, what do you mean by that?

00:31:37.000 I have a one-and-a-half-year-old, so... I feel like last time we spoke, Whitney, we had, like, a long conversation, and then, sort of, it became clear, not early enough in the conversation, that you'd been, like, looking after your baby the whole way through the interview.

00:31:51.000 Like, when my children come in here, which they did earlier, like, you'll see bits of that, actually, because it was a show we did, uh, like, it was just absolute chaos.

00:32:00.000 Your, uh, child was very well tended to.

00:32:03.000 Yeah, my toddler is getting his molars in right now, so it's definitely chaotic in some senses, but otherwise very fun and entertaining.

00:32:14.000 I like you, Whitney Webb.

00:32:16.000 Like Whitney, our audience are well aware that when having a conversation with you, it's best to do it in a free speech environment.

00:32:23.000 We're in particular interested in talking about Bill Gates' relationship with Epstein.

00:32:28.000 Now, look, even on a free speech platform like Rumble, my particular... I guess what I really want to know is this.

00:32:35.000 If you're friends with Jeffrey Epstein, Does that mean that you're definitely involved in nefarious activity related to sex trafficking, sexual assault and abuse, that crazy Ireland stuff? 0.87

00:32:47.000 Does it mean you're necessarily involved in corruption?

00:32:50.000 Does it?

00:32:52.000 So I think there's you have to keep in mind Epstein is a guy that was also really involved, for example, in financial criminality.

00:33:00.000 Suspect fundraisers and sort of this broader effort to redefine philanthropy, you know, move it away from how it's been considered by the public for a long time as altruism.

00:33:10.000 To a new model where it's really impact investing disguises philanthropy.

00:33:14.000 It's all about return on investment.

00:33:15.000 And that's why you have him so close, closely involved with the Clinton Foundation and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which are really institutions that were created in this period where that shift was happening.

00:33:26.000 And Epstein was a key part of it.

00:33:27.000 So more often than not, the people that tend to go to Epstein tend to be looking, I think, not necessarily so much for the sex trafficking stuff, though there obviously are those cases.

00:33:38.000 But I think the financial ties are very significant because even the people that were, you know, discussed in this new Wall Street Journal expose, they admitted, oh, we went to Epstein for his wealth and connections.

00:33:49.000 It was about money.

00:33:50.000 And this is a guy that if you look at his history from the time he was at Bear Stearns, the time he was involved with shadow finance in arms deals, With people like Adnan Khashoggi and all these, you know, suspect intelligence ties in that period, then going to very suspect Clinton White House fundraisers, visiting the Clinton White House 17 times and being tied up with, you know, the biggest campaign finance scandals of the Clinton administration, and then going on to get involved with philanthropy.

00:34:18.000 I mean, there's a very particular reason you'd seek out someone like Epstein, in my opinion.

00:34:22.000 Right.

00:34:24.000 So, like, the trafficking was almost like a side hustle.

00:34:27.000 There's a lot of financial impropriety also.

00:34:31.000 Gareth, I saw our co-host, our on-screen assistant, I can't remember what we call Gareth these days, but certainly he's integral to the show.

00:34:38.000 Gareth, I saw you had a very big reaction to what Nick Whitney was saying.

00:34:41.000 So fascinating the kind of rebranding of altruism into philanthropy as we now know it and the ways in which we're told it's one thing and obviously I didn't realize he was such a key figure within that and that makes a lot of sense but it's really fascinating.

00:34:55.000 central to that all that like, you know, and I bet you know, that that trend, that's all of that ESG stuff is ESG is

00:35:01.000 like, you know, like the way of categorizing blue chip companies

00:35:04.000 so that they have social credit score type stuff going on or

00:35:07.000 ways of gaining additional credit through their ecological or sociological moves, that seems like a way of capitalizing

00:35:16.000 literally, on certain social justice ideas that are good.

00:35:21.000 That's why they have a certain gravitas, but are not legitimate

00:35:24.000 in these contexts. And the biggest example of that is these sort of phony philanthropy organizations that you know, do

00:35:29.000 appear to have connections with the Clintons and the Gates Foundation. I see. Can I just ask you this is more of a

00:35:36.000 personal thing. Say someone like Noam Chomsky, who I really, really like when he's meeting up with Epstein, is there is

00:35:42.000 there any way of like meeting up with Jeffrey Epstein, that is

00:35:45.000 legit Or is it if you've met with Jeffrey Epstein or been on that airplane, it ain't a good look, full stop?

00:35:52.000 So the Chomsky situation is interesting.

00:35:54.000 Well, it's also a little complicated because Chomsky himself hasn't been very forthcoming about why he would meet with Epstein.

00:36:00.000 But actually, before these revelations in the Wall Street Journal, Epstein was very open before he died about why he was interested in someone like Noam Chomsky.

00:36:10.000 He gave an interview in 2017 that was published later in Science Magazine, and there he said that the reason he invited Chomsky to his townhouse was because he was interested in talking to Chomsky about artificial intelligence specifically.

00:36:24.000 And this is, I would argue, part of Epstein's big focus and M.I.T.

00:36:30.000 specifically where Chomsky is long taught and been affiliated and particularly with M.I.T.

00:36:37.000 artificial intelligence initiatives.

00:36:39.000 So I think with Chomsky a lot of it was apparently related to that.

00:36:43.000 Now the question is you know.

00:36:45.000 How much did Chomsky really know about Epstein?

00:36:48.000 Because keep in mind, some of the meetings that he was known to have with Epstein weren't just with Epstein.

00:36:53.000 They were with people like Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, who was very, very much involved, if you look at the evidence, with aspects of the sex trafficking operation.

00:37:02.000 And then you also have him Uh, going on like a dinner meeting, I guess, with Woody Allen and his wife.

00:37:08.000 And of course, Woody Allen is very controversial for his alleged molestation of Mia Farrow's adopted daughter.

00:37:16.000 And then he ends up marrying another one of Mia Farrow's adopted children, allegedly getting involved with her when she's around 17 or 18.

00:37:24.000 So, uh, There's a bunch of weird stuff there.

00:37:28.000 I don't have the answers about Chomsky.

00:37:31.000 I wish he would have given a less evasive response to the Wall Street Journal.

00:37:35.000 He essentially told them that his meetings with Epstein were none of their business nor anybody's, which is not the kind of response I was personally hoping for from Chomsky.

00:37:45.000 But, you know, he was very evasive and defensive in his response.

00:37:50.000 I can see that I myself, I'm not immune to the problem of it.

00:37:54.000 When it's someone that you're predisposed to like, like Chomsky or Woody Allen, people I think are like, you know, contribute to the culture in various ways.

00:38:01.000 Like, I'm like, oh no!

00:38:02.000 But when it's like Bill Gates, I'm like, aha!

00:38:07.000 But you think that Bill Gates's connections are much more likely to be about setting up apparently philanthropic organizations that have great influence.

00:38:18.000 It's very interesting to see Those kind of ties because I guess I guess what it is is Epstein is like an outlier of when people in spaces like this say hey there's all these sort of secret connections and there's all this corruption that goes on financial and there's a sexual component to it like Epstein is like

00:38:38.000 Someone that emerges that appears to have these things written down.

00:38:42.000 That's kind of, I guess, what he represents.

00:38:44.000 When you have such a deep knowledge of a figure like Epstein, what do you think his significance is?

00:38:49.000 Why do you think he died in prison?

00:38:52.000 Why did he have meetings with the CIA director William Burns?

00:38:56.000 So does he have deep state connections?

00:38:58.000 Big finance connections?

00:38:59.000 What does he represent, Whitney?

00:39:02.000 Okay, so I wrote a thousand page book about Epstein and his deep state connections.

00:39:06.000 They are very significant, they are very disturbing, and a lot of it essentially intersects with some of the things that are being promoted right now in terms of technocracy, artificial intelligence, digital ID, all sorts of these types of initiatives.

00:39:21.000 Epstein was on that beat very early on over a decade ago.

00:39:27.000 But even before that, he was involved with this power nexus, sometimes referred to as the Enterprise back in the Iran-Contra era, and essentially stayed affiliated with aspects of that throughout the years.

00:39:39.000 And in my opinion, he was a serial financial criminal.

00:39:43.000 And it's not quite clear exactly what the extent of his financial crimes are, but from what we do know, it is pretty significant.

00:39:48.000 And I think this would go back to sort of, you know, his earlier ties with Bear Stearns and this, where he was allegedly a bounty hunter for finance, hiding and finding looted money for powerful people.

00:40:03.000 This is a guy that was an expert in the shadow banking system.

00:40:06.000 And I think, you know, after he did it in the 80s with these suspect arms deals, And then sort of offered similar services to the Clinton administration.

00:40:15.000 He went on and started developing, offering those services to a host of powerful people, including Silicon Valley, for example, and all other sorts of powerful entities.

00:40:25.000 And I think, frankly.

00:40:27.000 The mainstream media has really done this story and injustice by focusing so near it's almost exclusively on the sex trafficking trafficking ties and not on really any other aspects of Epstein and what he was doing, because there's really a lot more to find.

00:40:41.000 And, you know, my work is a testament to that, but other people as well have dug up a lot on what he was involved with.

00:40:47.000 A lot of people in the chat over here on Locals, you can join by pressing the red button on your screen, are fascinated by your work.

00:40:52.000 Georgie Gale, among many others, are asking for the name of your book.

00:40:56.000 We're going to post a link to your book right now in the chat so you can get that if that's what you're interested in.

00:41:03.000 Fascinating what you just said, Whitney, because it does seem like, as you say, whilst Jeffrey Epstein stays in the realm of, you know, the kind of sex crimes and the more lurid parts of his history, we're not focusing on the financial elements of it.

00:41:18.000 And you could even suggest that maybe when you're talking about altruism rebranded as philanthropy, which is ultimately about power in the case of, for example, Bill Gates, maybe it's almost more convenient that this still remains within the kind of more lurid elements that can be kind of dismissed as conspiracy.

00:41:36.000 Rather than the focus, which should come from the media, on the financial elements of all this.

00:41:41.000 You know, where was this money?

00:41:43.000 What were these, you know, financial arrangements that were going on?

00:41:48.000 Why is it that... What's kind of most relevant about these recent revelations?

00:41:53.000 And why won't the media focus on it?

00:41:54.000 Yeah, what is most relevant?

00:41:55.000 And can I add to that, do you believe the positioning of Epstein primarily around the sex trafficking, do you believe it's strategic?

00:42:01.000 And as Gareth says, you know, Gareth's question about what is most significant about the recent revelations, if I may just add.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, so I definitely think it's a strategic effort to limit what is acceptable discourse about the Epstein case.

00:42:16.000 And as far as the financial ties go, a great example going on right now is the JP Morgan Epstein case.

00:42:22.000 You know, so a lot of focus has been on these revelations in the Wall Street Journal.

00:42:26.000 But what hasn't been talked about as much is that there's been four billionaires subpoenaed as part of this JPMorgan Epstein case, including including Thomas Pritzker, who runs the Hyatt Hotels Corporation.

00:42:38.000 And he is in Epstein's black book written next to his name is numero uno, number one.

00:42:46.000 That's a pretty odd thing to have next to your name.

00:42:48.000 And the Pritzkers are very much tied to the Democratic Party, the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, or William Burns, who was Joe Biden's pick for CIA director that was meeting with Epstein.

00:42:59.000 He met with Epstein right before he went, from essentially being Hillary Clinton's deputy at the State Department to the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, which Penny Pritzker runs, who, of course, is related to Thomas Pritzker.

00:43:09.000 And the Pritzkers, as I note in my book, are essentially this very powerful clan out of Chicago who were responsible in a large part for Obama's presidential and Senate career and have historic ties to organized crime going way, way, way back.

00:43:26.000 Uh, to, like, the thirties and forties and all sorts of very suspect activity that helped essentially cement their position in Chicago politics, which is pretty notoriously corrupt if you're familiar with political history in that part of the country.

00:43:40.000 So.

00:43:42.000 Well, I mean, I'm just saying then that Gareth is astute to point out that the financial corruption is much more significant because it points to, as you say, Whitney, continually in your work, the nexus of power.

00:43:54.000 There's some pretty big names getting dropped there.

00:43:57.000 So is it potentially strategic to amplify the more salacious aspects of this case in order to distract from the fact Epstein and the revelations that you have presented us with are the flying saucer on the White House lawn of deep state corruption.

00:44:17.000 Yeah, I think that's fair because if you look at some of these, some of this information coming out, particularly of the JP Morgan case, there's a lot of powerful people that are potentially on the hook for enabling his sex trafficking crimes, particularly Jamie Dimon, one of the most powerful bankers on Wall Street.

00:44:35.000 So, I mean, that's hugely significant in and of itself.

00:44:37.000 And again, some of the other people that have been subpoenaed as part of that case, the two co-founders of Google, Sergey Brin and Larry Page.

00:44:43.000 And apparently, Larry Page is so concerned about being served papers in this court case that he can't even be found.

00:44:50.000 They've tried five different addresses and can't find him anywhere.

00:44:55.000 And that's really astounding when you consider the ties of Google to the CIA from its founding, its collaboration with mass surveillance, and the fact that the New Albany Company, which was incorporated by Jeffrey Epstein, owns the land on which major data centers for Google, Amazon, and Facebook sit on.

00:45:11.000 And no one's talking about that stuff because at the same period of time that happened, Epstein was setting up this insane DNA data mining company that he called a biomedical Google.

00:45:23.000 In the U.S.

00:45:24.000 Virgin Islands, and he wanted to sequence the genes of all these young Virgin Islanders, and he started funding education initiatives for little kids and teens, very suspect when it's Epstein, right?

00:45:35.000 Because he wanted them to basically run servers for this company for him, and he wanted to train them from an early age on.

00:45:41.000 I mean, there's so much crazy stuff here, and as you start picking away at it, I think it becomes really clear why they're They're focusing so much on his sex crimes.

00:45:49.000 And again, it's not just his sex crimes, you know, as they occurred over the course of his lifetime and career.

00:45:56.000 The mainstream media focus is specifically on sex crimes from 2000 to 2006.

00:46:00.000 And there's no discussion of what Epstein, well, very little discussion of what Epstein was doing after he was arrested the first time and what he was doing around the time he was arrested the second time.

00:46:11.000 Because I think it's fair to say that the Department of Justice of the United States wasn't interested And justice for Epstein victims when they arrested him and, you know, helped cover up his apparent murder in 2019.

00:46:25.000 Wow.

00:46:26.000 I mean, when I talk to you, it's a little like talking to RFK.

00:46:30.000 Like, it makes me realize that this is deep.

00:46:33.000 Like, even some of the more contentious stuff that we've talked about on YouTube, the pandemic, the exploitation, the media manipulation, the funding of politics, in a sense, is sort of Necessary to remain there.

00:46:46.000 It's necessary because you can kind of demonstrate it in a way that's, I don't know, it feels, what do I want to say, sort of somehow simple and plain.

00:46:57.000 When you start going, Google CIA, they own the land, you start to think, oh my god, this is, Enormous.

00:47:04.000 We're living, we're in a sort of prison.

00:47:06.000 We're being held in a sphere of managed reality and true power is completely inaccessible when you're not participating in it at all.

00:47:15.000 Things are much further gone than you would dare anticipate and they sort of, in a sense, they sort of cut your fingers off as soon as you reach anywhere near He's like, hey, there's something weird going on there.

00:47:24.000 And they cut you off.

00:47:25.000 But there's so much further to go.

00:47:27.000 There's so much further to go.

00:47:28.000 Our conversation with RFK was like that, Whitney, where you just sort of hear someone in the same sort of easy manner, someone that's obviously done a great deal of research, someone that's obviously done a great deal of journalism and has a great deal of experience.

00:47:41.000 And it's I actually think it's terrifying.

00:47:44.000 That's why I start to at some point feel a kind of like we said that we were joking about it before, you know, like in Few Good Men, it goes, you know, when Jack Nicholson cracks and goes, You can't handle the truth! 0.91

00:47:54.000 And you go, oh shit, no actually, I don't think I can, it's a bit heavy. 0.97

00:47:57.000 Can I just go back to sleep in the Matrix, like the bloke who wants to go back and eat steaks, rather than being there with Neo and Morpheus and Trinity and Whitney, getting your nuts kicked on a daily basis by the depth Enough of the corruption. 0.99

00:48:11.000 We need independent media.

00:48:12.000 Not only that, this independent media needs to become a kind of activism, because there are powerful, nefarious, deep, malfeasant forces at work.

00:48:22.000 Whitney, have you looked much at RFK's staff?

00:48:26.000 Do you like him?

00:48:27.000 You don't have a little bit of rivalry, do you, of who could be the most extreme person trying to bring down the state?

00:48:34.000 No, definitely not a rivalry.

00:48:36.000 We've actually met.

00:48:37.000 I spoke at the Children's Health Defense Conference last year, which was their first conference, and I was really happy to meet him.

00:48:42.000 I think he's a great guy, and I hope that his campaign, you know...

00:48:46.000 The DNC, particularly in the primary stage, is known for committing fraud to keep people they don't want out or, you know, keep the wrong person from getting the nomination right.

00:48:58.000 So what I hope, you know, if that same fate befalls RFK's campaign, I hope he can raise awareness among a large segment of the left that has sort of been, you know, a lot of Democratic voters have been apparently, you know, You know, hypnotized to become increasingly authoritarian over the past few years, supporting war, supporting big pharma, supporting corporations and this public private partnership model, which is really, you know, if you go back to how much how the majority of Democratic voters were back in the George W. Bush era, I mean, they're practically unrecognizable.

00:49:32.000 So I hopefully that I hope that RFK can help, you know, wake some of those people up.

00:49:36.000 I hope so, because a move to tackle an opponent, an establishment, excuse me, an elite this powerful, you're going to need allies from all sides.

00:49:46.000 You're going to have to put aside previous partisans, because they don't mean anything anyway.

00:49:50.000 I like this party! 1.00

00:49:52.000 It's all made up, you lunatics! 1.00

00:49:53.000 You're believing in nothing! 1.00

00:49:55.000 You're believing in nothing!

00:49:57.000 Awaken!

00:49:58.000 It's really difficult to sort of remain sanguine about it you know because it's something induces in me an almost hysterical fear to see the scale and scope of their power and also the sort of casual bureaucratic manner in which it's sort of conducted and exercised.

00:50:14.000 We were saying now that like because there is legitimate justified mistrust in most institutions whether it's judicial or media or electoral that After the next election, whoever wins it, the other side's just going to go, they cheated.

00:50:29.000 In a way, the institutions are dead, even according to their own framing.

00:50:35.000 Do you think that?

00:50:37.000 Well, I think the situation in the United States right now, voting is not going to solve the problem.

00:50:44.000 I think for a long time, culturally in the United States, people have been conditioned to look for a political savior and assume that one man can fix all of the problems.

00:50:52.000 That the United States has, and I think, and as my work shows, the corruption is so long standing and so systemic that it's really going to take a mass movement of people divesting from that system and building something parallel in order to really fix what's going on in the United States.

00:51:12.000 Yeah, it's very complicated, but I think that's, I mean, essentially what we're seeing is a major effort to force everything in the world into the digital realm as part of the Great Reset, the Fourth Industrial Revolution.

00:51:23.000 At the same time, governments around the world, including in the UK and the US, are pushing to exert complete control over that digital realm.

00:51:31.000 We're seeing that with censorship, but it's only going to get worse from here.

00:51:35.000 If you look at the policy papers from groups like the WEF or the Carnegie Endowment and a lot of these other entities that are very intense on setting policy, particularly for the West.

00:51:45.000 And I think people really need to be aware of what the problem is, because if you don't understand the scale and scope of the problem, it's very hard to understand the ways to fix it at the end of the day.

00:51:55.000 So, you know, some of the stuff may be harrowing and may be, you know, upsetting to some people,

00:52:00.000 but it's better to know what's actually going on and, you know, understand the truth of the

00:52:05.000 situation because without that we can't change anything for the better, in my opinion.

00:52:10.000 Yeah, we're getting a lot of love for you, Whitney, over in locals.

00:52:13.000 You can join our Locals conversation right now by pressing the red button on your screen.

00:52:17.000 What I'm saying is if you did say what you like, you wouldn't be sitting in that chair.

00:52:20.000 of the Constitution. JackSwiss underscore like grumble is a parallel. Oh what you think we're not a parallel? Hold on a 0.82

00:52:27.000 minute, I think we can say what we like on here. I am me!

00:52:31.000 What I'm saying is if you did say what you like you wouldn't be sitting in that chair. To quote Noam Chomsky maybe for

00:52:39.000 the last time. Then there's some people like Blessed Albert, citing the Bible, talking about Nebuchadnezzar's dream,

00:52:42.000 Daniel 2 20 23.

00:52:42.000 You can join us there in the best little place to exchange theories.

00:52:47.000 The locals' chat is going on right now.

00:52:49.000 Some great memes.

00:52:50.000 They're just having their own fun in there.

00:52:51.000 Whitney, thank you so much for joining us for this conversation inside your own grandmother's handbag.

00:52:56.000 I like to imagine that Whitney has been shrunk down To a tiny being, she's in a handbag with her toddler and their molars, just... Tic Tacs or... Yeah, if that shot came wider, you would see some tiny little Tic Tacs. 0.63

00:53:11.000 Like, Tic Tacs are like that big, big as minions.

00:53:13.000 Old tissues.

00:53:14.000 Yeah, like, yeah, she's next to her nan's handbag, like a cell phone that's that big, and you see... Bill Gates, his name, flashing on there.

00:53:20.000 I'm coming for you, that's enough out of you, young lady! 1.00

00:53:24.000 Thank you so much, Whitney.

00:53:25.000 We've posted Whitney's website in the chat.

00:53:28.000 Whitney Webb... Thanks, man.

00:53:29.000 I'll just say thank you to you once more instead of being silly. 0.92

00:53:31.000 Thank you. 0.55

00:53:32.000 Take care.

00:53:32.000 No, no worries.

00:53:33.000 Thanks, man.

00:53:34.000 Whitney Webb is the author of One Nation Under Blackmail, and you can follow her work at the Unlimited Hangout.

00:53:39.000 There is a look at it now.

00:53:40.000 Now, we're going to ask you guys in the chat.

00:53:42.000 You've got some options, right?

00:53:44.000 Eva, we can throw to our presentation on Fox News smearing Tucker, but we won't be there when it comes back.

00:53:50.000 We'll have gone, because my children are here.

00:53:53.000 Or we can just end the show now.

00:53:54.000 So it's up to you, first five people to let us know.

00:53:56.000 Do you want us to throw to this brilliant presentation we've made about Fox News smearing Tucker, and then you can watch that play out for a little while?

00:54:04.000 Yeah, you want the throw?

00:54:04.000 I think they'll do that.

00:54:05.000 They're doing that, they're doing that.

00:54:06.000 Okay, so just before we throw to that, let me tell you that tomorrow we're talking with, is it RFK tomorrow?

00:54:12.000 No, we're talking about the revolving door, retired personnel from the military.

00:54:15.000 I mean like, In a way, we're going to have to go deeper and deeper, aren't we?

00:54:18.000 We've got a great presentation tomorrow.

00:54:20.000 We'll be talking about how a lot of military-industrial complex people end up going to foreign governments around the world, giving them advice.

00:54:27.000 Then we talk about the war on drugs.

00:54:29.000 And of course, on Friday, RFK.

00:54:32.000 So get joining Locals right now.

00:54:35.000 There's that red button on your screen.

00:54:36.000 We're going to let it play out.

00:54:39.000 This is brilliant.

00:54:40.000 You can see the links that Fox News are going to to shut down Tucker Carlson.

00:54:44.000 It's pretty fantastic.

00:54:45.000 If you join us on Locals, you also get meditations there, podcasts, news about live events like Immunity, which takes place in July next year.

00:54:52.000 So, uh, yeah, enjoy this presentation.

00:54:55.000 Uh, you know, join us tomorrow for more and not for more of the same, more of the different.

00:54:58.000 Uh, and here's the news.

00:55:00.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:55:01.000 Stay free.

00:55:13.000 And if they are, is it because they disagree with him on cultural issues, or is it because they think Tucker Carlson is about to cost them a lot of money?

00:55:23.000 Loads of us are very interested in Tucker Carlson.

00:55:26.000 Why are Fox deliberately smearing Tucker Carlson?

00:55:30.000 What is it he has against them?

00:55:31.000 And do Fox News have anything on Tucker that's genuinely dangerous?

00:55:35.000 What does it tell us about the shifting media space?

00:55:38.000 Is it, as I've been telling you for a while now, it's no longer left v right, it's periphery versus centre?

00:55:43.000 And I would regard, say, Jon Stewart as a voice of the periphery, and Tucker as a voice of the periphery.

00:55:48.000 i.e. they're both attacking the establishment.

00:55:50.000 Why then can there not be new alliances?

00:55:52.000 What is it about Tucker Carlson that makes some people love him and some people hate him?

00:55:57.000 And what will Fox News do to prevent Tucker Carlson breaking out on his own with his own

00:56:02.000 media voice?

00:56:02.000 And what does that tell us about the decay in mainstream media right now?

00:56:06.000 First of all, there's this tweet from Glenn Greenwald, the right-wing fascist, over with us

00:56:11.000 on Rumble.

00:56:12.000 There's obviously a decision by Fox to wage a massive war on Tucker Carlson's character, partnering with both the New York Times and Media Matters to do it.

00:56:20.000 And it's extremely odd for many reasons, beginning with the fact that he hasn't uttered a negative word about them.

00:56:26.000 So let's have a look at the Fox News leaked footage and determine for ourselves, is it that bad?

00:56:31.000 And why are Fox doing it?

00:56:33.000 Overnight, a new report about former Fox News host Tucker Carlson's private comments after his bombshell departure from Fox News.

00:56:40.000 In a text message obtained by the New York Times sent by Carlson to one of his producers in the hours after the January 6th attack on the Capitol, the host allegedly describes watching a video of a group of people he calls Trump guys violently attacking a, quote, Antifa kid, calling it dishonorable and adding, it's not how white men fight.

00:57:00.000 That might make you feel a certain feeling.

00:57:02.000 Certainly using terms around race seems like it's adjacent to racism, doesn't it?

00:57:07.000 That's, I think, what we all feel.

00:57:08.000 If you hear, that's not how white men fight, you start to feel like, oh yeah, that sounds like we're moving towards racism.

00:57:13.000 So let's see what he actually says and if it's any different from that.

00:57:16.000 And if it is different, if you think it's being presented in a way that's different from how it was originally said, then that tells you something, doesn't it?

00:57:22.000 Carlson also writing he found himself rooting for the mob.

00:57:25.000 I really wanted them to hurt the kid.

00:57:27.000 I could taste it.

00:57:28.000 But then Carlson writes, quote, an alarm went off.

00:57:30.000 This isn't good for me.

00:57:31.000 I'm becoming something I don't want to be.

00:57:33.000 If I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?

00:57:37.000 Sounds like an interesting reflective perspective to me.

00:57:40.000 Let me know if you agree with that in the chat.

00:57:42.000 The message surfaced as part of Dominion's defamation lawsuit against Fox News.

00:57:46.000 A redacted version appears in public court filings.

00:57:49.000 But the Times reports members of Fox's board of directors became aware of the unredacted version on the eve of trial, and were so alarmed by Carlson's views on violence and racial superiority, they took steps to investigate Carlson and settle the case for nearly $800 million.

00:58:07.000 So Fox cite those text messages as the reason that they fired Tucker Carlson, that they were disturbed by his views on race.

00:58:13.000 Now, I don't know about you, but I don't know that Fox News in general is hypersensitive about people being blunt or clumsy around the subject of race.

00:58:23.000 And this in particular seems like someone analysing their own previous bigotry and prejudice and being willing to let go of it, also off camera.

00:58:31.000 So that's interesting because it's revealing in that sense.

00:58:34.000 I would ask this as well.

00:58:35.000 If people cannot change, how are we ever going to change the world?

00:58:39.000 If someone's once done something that is off-key and then they disavow it and move on, you're like, no, too late!

00:58:45.000 Then where's redemption, salvation, improvement, change, progress, revolution?

00:58:50.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:58:51.000 None of us can ever get together.

00:58:52.000 Oh, interesting policy.

00:58:53.000 Video of some behind-the-scenes comments from Carlson have also surfaced since Fox settled its lawsuit with Dominion.

00:58:59.000 Left-leaning group Media Matters posted a video appearing to show Carlson chatting with host Piers Morgan before an interview.

00:59:06.000 If we're going to talk about sex, I'd love to hit some of the fine points of technique.

00:59:14.000 But it's your show.

00:59:15.000 It's totally up to you. 1.00

00:59:17.000 We can certainly talk about your sexual technique, especially after your tanning testicles last week. 1.00

00:59:22.000 Not mine! 0.99

00:59:23.000 We'll speak in more general terms, but I've got something to add.

00:59:29.000 Harmless jokes.

00:59:30.000 Previously the New York Times reported it had obtained a video of Carlson discussing his quote postmenopausal fans and referring to a woman as quote yummy.

00:59:39.000 Come on guys.

00:59:40.000 I am completely against all forms of bigotry and prejudice.

00:59:44.000 Racism, homophobia, transphobia, islamophobia. 1.00

00:59:47.000 Not liking people, judging people on the basis of a characteristic around their religion or their race or their identity is not only horrible, it's a Stupid waste of time. 0.98

00:59:58.000 And I'm willing to criticise that in anybody, absolutely anybody, because it's an obstacle to the progress we absolutely must make if we are to change the world. 0.96

01:00:08.000 But someone saying, talking about their own testicles and tanning and referring to someone as yummy or postmenopausal, postmenopausal is not very nice, wouldn't like someone saying that about someone I loved, I'd kind of, don't say that, that's my auntie or my mum or whoever, I wouldn't like it, but I wouldn't say, you cannot work in media ever, that is woe!

01:00:25.000 But nobody's gonna watch it on Fox Nation. 0.99

01:00:27.000 Nobody watches Fox Nation because the site sucks. 0.94

01:00:30.000 This other clip could be more revealing because it shows him criticizing Fox. 0.98

01:00:34.000 I'm just frustrated with the... It's hard to use that site.

01:00:38.000 I don't know why they're not fixing it.

01:00:40.000 It's driving me insane.

01:00:41.000 And they're like making like...

01:00:43.000 Lifetime movies, but they don't work on the infrastructure of the site?

01:00:46.000 Like, what?

01:00:47.000 That's just insider stuff.

01:00:49.000 Someone criticizing bad management.

01:00:51.000 That happens everywhere, doesn't it?

01:00:52.000 It's crazy.

01:00:53.000 And it drives me crazy, because it's like, we're doing all this extra work and no one can find it.

01:00:58.000 It's unbelievable, actually.

01:01:00.000 They're ignoring the fact that the site doesn't work.

01:01:02.000 And I think it's like a betrayal of our efforts.

01:01:05.000 That's how I feel.

01:01:06.000 So I, of course, I resent it.

01:01:07.000 So there you go.

01:01:08.000 Now, perhaps a more helpful opinion might be the opinion of someone I personally deeply respect, Jon Stewart.

01:01:13.000 Let's have a look at what he had to say about Tucker Carlson.

01:01:16.000 To your point, though, about a guy like Tucker Carlson, that's cynical.

01:01:19.000 What he does is cynical.

01:01:22.000 And he hides the true motivation for it.

01:01:22.000 Right.

01:01:25.000 And that's what I mean by the difference between well-intentioned, honest brokering and cynical manipulation.

01:01:33.000 Tucker Carlson has said things about race that I completely disagree with, and in fact some of those things I raised on his show.

01:01:41.000 What Jon Stewart appears to be saying is that those things are so insidious that it nullifies the significance and importance of the anti-establishment things that I agree with Tucker Carlson on I suppose where I differ from Jon Stewart is that I believe that people can change, that people can say things that they now disavow and don't believe in.

01:02:02.000 I believe that we can all evolve together and that if you exclude someone like Tucker Carlson from the conversation, who's popular, anti-establishment, anti-corporate and anti-war because Because in the past they've said things you disagree with.

01:02:14.000 You potentially lose not only an important and skilled ally, but also access to millions, hundreds of millions of people that like him.

01:02:23.000 But let me know what you think about that in the chat.

01:02:24.000 So if it's true that Fox News are releasing footage in order to smear Tucker Carlson, could it be something to do with this?

01:02:31.000 According to Axios, Tucker Carlson is preparing to unleash allies to attack Fox News in an effort to bully the network into letting him work for or start a right-wing rival.

01:02:41.000 Fox, which has seen its ratings plunge in Carlson's slot since he was let go 13 days ago, wants to sideline him by paying him $20 million a year not to work.

01:02:50.000 Fox News viewers in Tucker Carlson's old time slot reportedly decreased by about 50% since the network's biggest star was shockingly ousted.

01:02:58.000 Axios has learned Carlson is busy plotting a media empire of his own, but he needs Fox to let him out of his contract, which expires in January 2025 after the presidential election.

01:03:08.000 Carlson Confidants say he's also contemplating building a direct-to-consumer media outlet where his millions of fans could pay to watch him.

01:03:14.000 Carlson's predecessor in his Fox slot, Bill O'Reilly, created a blueprint for this.

01:03:18.000 A close friend of Carlson said, Why is Tucker Carlson so fascinating?

01:03:25.000 Why are there some people that loathe him?

01:03:27.000 And why do so many of you love Tucker Carlson?

01:03:29.000 Carlson was a genuine aberration in US corporate media, which is why he's gone.

01:03:33.000 Yes, over the years, Carlson played on white fears, placing him firmly on the right.

01:03:38.000 But he also gave over his massive corporate platform at Fox News to some of the most critical and thoughtful independent journalists and pundits around, from Glenn Greenwald and Aaron Maté to Jimmy Dore.

01:03:47.000 Carlson not only brought them into the living rooms of mainstream, That is true.

01:03:54.000 I think many more people have heard of Jimmy Dore and Aaron Maté and Glenn Greenwald as a result of Tucker Carlson.

01:04:00.000 So I suppose that's the platforming argument.

01:04:02.000 People say, oh, you shouldn't platform those people.

01:04:03.000 Well, Tucker Carlson platformed some pretty radical anti-establishment voices.

01:04:07.000 By the way, voices that are also loathed by the left.

01:04:10.000 I don't think Aaron Maté or Glenn Greenwald or Jimmy Dore are racist.

01:04:13.000 And the liberal establishment also hates them.

01:04:15.000 So is there some continuum here of anti-establishment rhetoric is what gets condemned and derided rather than some social or cultural type of rhetoric.

01:04:24.000 In that way he exposed ordinary Americans to critical perspectives especially on US foreign policy that they had no hope of hearing anywhere else and almost certainly not from so-called liberal corporate media outlets like CNN and MSNBC.

01:04:36.000 Some of the thing a voice like Tucker Carlson's exposes how unliberal CNN and MSNBC actually are.

01:04:43.000 Because if you're really liberal, then you should always be talking about maximum amount of freedom.

01:04:48.000 Maximum amount of freedom for unnecessary taxation.

01:04:50.000 Only taxation that leads to the benefit of vulnerable people.

01:04:53.000 Not taxation that ends up with a military industrial complex.

01:04:56.000 You wouldn't have former military industrial complex employees come on your channels if you were actually

01:05:00.000 against war.

01:05:01.000 If you were actually for freedom.

01:05:03.000 So I think that figures like Tucker Carlson, and I'll be honest, on occasion I feel that I've been used in this way, are attacked and smeared and censored and shut down, not because of anything particular that Tucker Carlson has done, but because Tucker Carlson's voice is antithetical to their interests.

01:05:16.000 Let me know in the chat if you agree with that.

01:05:17.000 And he did so while constantly ridiculing the media's craven collusion with those in power.

01:05:22.000 But all that is being ignored.

01:05:24.000 Media analysis of Carlson's departure has focused so far almost exclusively on his clashes with Fox News management and a series of disrespectful tweets.

01:05:32.000 But those clashes cannot be understood outside a wider context in which Carlson was pushing against institutional media constraints at Fox Designed to prevent the real work of journalism holding the powerful to account.

01:05:42.000 So by having on Jimmy Dore or Seymour Hersh or Aaron Maté or Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson introduced Fox News viewers to rhetoric and ideas that they wouldn't hear anywhere else.

01:05:53.000 Many of those people are virulently anti-establishment, they all are in fact, And anti-war in particular.

01:05:58.000 And I'm beginning to think that the same way that the pharmaceutical industry perhaps had a little too much influence, bias and interest in the pandemic and were able to manipulate regulation, allegedly, that when it comes to war, war is an overarching power.

01:06:12.000 that continually influences the trajectory of American foreign policy.

01:06:16.000 So by introducing voices that oppose those ideals, you are against the establishment, and that the establishment care more about that than they do about indiscretions or inappropriate things that Tucker Carlson might have said.

01:06:26.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree or disagree.

01:06:28.000 Rather than welcome this record, the blinkered tribalists of the left preferred instead to accuse Greenwald, Mattei and others either of outing themselves as right-wingers by appearing on Carlson's show or by providing legitimacy to Fox's white fear-mongering.

01:06:41.000 It even reached the absurd depths that any retweet of a Carlson clip was denounced because supposedly the left was poisoning its own well.

01:06:47.000 We would soon convert ourselves from socialism to national socialism.

01:06:51.000 But if Carlson's firing by Murdoch suggests anything, it's that the corporate media had grown increasingly fearful of the extent to which Carlson was becoming a loose cannon, and that the kind of independent journalism he hosted and amplified was gaining traction.

01:07:03.000 A few years ago, we did content that was just anti-everything on Fox.

01:07:07.000 We went and trolled Fox outside their premises.

01:07:10.000 Here we are at Fox's headquarters.

01:07:13.000 You wanna get arrested?

01:07:14.000 When I found myself on Glenn Greenwald's show or on Tucker Carlson's show, we saw them openly attacking the establishment, the military-industrial complex, questioning the power of lobbyists and the donator class.

01:07:24.000 And for me, that's necessary and important wherever you find it.

01:07:27.000 Particularly if the old model is indeed dead, then new alliances are going to be necessary.

01:07:32.000 And that's going to evolve some unusual new conversations and unusual new relationships, isn't it?

01:07:38.000 Let me know in the chat.

01:07:39.000 Through a rapid rise in his ratings, Carlson proved that there is an appetite, a big one, for stories that question the consensual narrative imposed by the rest of the corporate media, for stories that actually hold the powerful to account, rather than simply claiming to, and for stories that refuse to assume Western meddling around the globe is necessarily a good thing.

01:07:56.000 If it was only white fear-mongering that drew audiences and propelled network news hosts to the top slot, then Sean Hannity would surely be king of the ratings, not Carlson.

01:08:05.000 The reality, the one Carlton confirms, is there is an audience ready to listen to critical independent journalism when it can be found.

01:08:13.000 The job of the corporate media is precisely to stop viewers hearing dissident views, a rule that Carlton played fast and loose with for too long.

01:08:20.000 Now it seems he has paid the price.

01:08:21.000 Maybe, on Fox News, Tucker Carlton initially was a voice that was completely in alignment with their general agenda.

01:08:27.000 But perhaps, over time, Tucker Carlton's perspective shifted.

01:08:30.000 Didn't he used to be on MSNBC after all?

01:08:33.000 Maybe he has continued to evolve and become an independent voice that attacks both the right and the left, and whilst he may have his own cultural views, he is ultimately an ally to those that attack the establishment and want to see real and meaningful political and systemic change.

01:08:48.000 That is possible!

01:08:48.000 People alter over time.

01:08:50.000 It's interesting to consider, too, if we are debating the effect of exposing Fox News audiences to left-wing and dissident perspectives, what impact Greenwald Mattei and others have had on Carson himself.

01:09:00.000 That's an interesting perspective.

01:09:01.000 I know that from listening to a variety of radical opinions, my own political perspectives have changed.

01:09:06.000 They have shown me, essentially, that any institutional, donor-backed party Those who knew him well, such as Greenwald, have argued that he is on a political path away from the views he once held.

01:09:15.000 genuinely radical views because that is the main thing that they oppose.

01:09:19.000 Systemic change, radical change, empowerment of ordinary people.

01:09:23.000 That they will resist at all costs.

01:09:24.000 Those who knew him well, such as Greenwald, have argued that he is on a political path

01:09:28.000 away from the views he once held.

01:09:29.000 There is certainly evidence for this, and it may be that it was just such evidence that

01:09:33.000 sealed his fate.

01:09:34.000 Sounding more like Noam Chomsky, Carlson recently referred to the media as a control apparatus and admits, I spent most of my life being part of the problem, including by promoting the 2003 Iraq war.

01:09:44.000 The media are not here to inform you, really.

01:09:47.000 Even on the big things that matter, like the economy, wars, COVID.

01:09:50.000 Their job is not to inform you.

01:09:51.000 They are working for the small group of people who actually run the world.

01:09:55.000 They are their servants.

01:09:56.000 We should treat them with the maximum contempt because they have earned it.

01:09:59.000 That seems to me more likely to evoke the ire of Fox News and Rupert Murdoch than him saying that he had a realisation while looking at an aspect of a riot, realising that really, what's the point in hating anyone?

01:10:12.000 Or saying, yummy.

01:10:14.000 I don't think Fox News have strong views on that kind of thing.

01:10:17.000 I do think they have strong views on people saying, Hey, the media primarily operates to amplify the opinions of powerful elites that transcend democratic power and are beyond the bipartisan systems that govern America.

01:10:27.000 That, I think, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa, they don't want that stuff out there, do they?

01:10:30.000 Let me know in the chat.

01:10:31.000 Presumably Murdoch understood that he was very much included in the small group of people who actually run the world, a group that should earn our contempt.

01:10:38.000 But beyond speculating about Carlson's motives, the more significant point, the one we should celebrate and highlight, is that media consumers are slowly becoming less passive and more critical of traditional sources of information.

01:10:49.000 And this is absolutely necessary.

01:10:50.000 If we remain passive, we are not going to change anything.

01:10:53.000 That media outlets such as ours, I would hope, are now intersecting with genuine activism, because you can't continually carry this message and not contemplate how real change could be enacted.

01:11:04.000 Carlson understood that trend and tried to straddle the divide.

01:11:07.000 He had a foot in both the corporate media camp and the independent camp.

01:11:11.000 Through his sacking, he has proved just how untenable that position is.

01:11:15.000 One, the corporate media is there to entertain and distract us and keep us locked into tribal identities, banging heads against each other in utter futility.

01:11:22.000 The other, independent media is there to help us think more critically about power and about our responsibilities as citizens.

01:11:28.000 You can't serve those two masters, as Tucker Carlson just found out the hard way.

01:11:32.000 So does that seem like a more accurate appraisal than the one you're seeing elsewhere in the mainstream media?

01:11:38.000 A media that's invested in attacking Tucker Carlson because the small differences between Fox and MSNBC are the only differences that they're interested in debating.

01:11:48.000 These are the conversations we want to have with you.

01:11:50.000 And it seems to me, personally, that Tucker Carlson wanted to have those conversations as well.

01:11:53.000 But that's just what I think.

01:11:54.000 Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments.

01:11:56.000 who need forever wars in order to justify their own existence and to continue their ongoing profit.

01:12:02.000 These are the conversations we want to have with you and it seems to me, personally, that Tucker

01:12:06.000 Carlson wanted to have those conversations as well. But that's just why I think, let me know

01:12:09.000 what you think in the chat and the comments, I'll see you in a second.

01:12:11.000 My father's first instinct, which was a good instinct, turns out was that the CIA is a-

01:12:24.000 I was almost 10 years old when my uncle was killed.

01:12:26.000 And I was standing in the White House, in the foyer of the White House, with my aunt Jackie Kennedy, and my mother, and my father.

01:12:33.000 My uncle's body was in the east room.

01:12:36.000 I, at that point, like many Americans, was asking questions because this didn't look right.

01:12:42.000 How can you speak out openly against these kind of interests, let alone try and mobilize a political movement and stand against them without serious fear of, well, assassination?

01:12:52.000 It wasn't just Fauci, it was the whole US intelligence military apparatus that was basically... Simply not possible for you to answer that question on YouTube.

01:13:00.000 They were bragging that they could kill everybody, basically everybody in the world for 29 cents a person.

01:13:07.000 What you're saying, Robert, even leaves many hardened conspiracy theorists quivering like Boy Scouts.

01:13:15.000 None of this is stuff that we should be doing.

01:13:19.000 Quite bloody terrifying.

01:13:21.000 This is a war where Ukraine has been made a victim, not just by Russia, but by the United States government.

01:13:27.000 We have to just say, wait a minute, we got to stop fighting each other.

01:13:30.000 And we got to go after the people who have their jackboot on our head.

01:13:35.000 It's time.

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