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00:01:57.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand today.
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00:02:19.000Unless you're worried about dying in a nuclear apocalypse, in which case, we should probably turn off now.
00:02:24.000Joe Biden, your president, if you're America, is in Poland right now, giving some weird, crazy, simplistic, reductive, Fisher-Price-style speech for morons out there, simplifying a very complex situation.
00:02:37.000Putin has just suspended the only remaining nuclear arms treaty that they have with the US.
00:02:43.000Well, I think if actually you are gonna have a nuclear war, like the treaty, might not be of that much value.
00:02:53.000We'll be looking at Chinese balloons and the Ohio derailment.
00:02:56.000What's the real threat to you in your life?
00:02:58.000Let me know in the chat what you think.
00:03:00.000And after 10 minutes, we skip over to being exclusively on Rumble today
00:03:05.000to discuss new data on the effects of lockdown on children.
00:03:10.000For a lot of you, it's going to be exactly what you expected, exactly what you discussed, but we can't discuss that kind of thing on YouTube because it's controversial, isn't it, on-screen assistant and producer Gareth?
00:03:29.000We'll speak freely there about the stories that matter to you and your life, and as well as presenting potential solutions and alternative systems.
00:03:37.000That's why today's guest is author and anarchist Darren Allen.
00:07:13.000No, he's actually in Poland, mate, simplifying the war.
00:07:16.000I remember when I was a lad, you didn't have anniversaries for wars.
00:07:19.000Because they were considered terrible, terrible catastrophes rather than like, you know, not world cups for the military industrial complex.
00:08:13.000Let us know in the chat in the comments if you've got one of them sort of car key hoodies and you're trying to bust that stuff and capitalise on Zelensky glamour.
00:09:10.000Alright, atmosphere, it's going on too long isn't it?
00:09:12.000He's smiling isn't he, but internally I think he's thinking, why is this so bloody long?
00:09:16.000Because you know Joe Biden, that is one area where he really struggles.
00:09:19.000He's getting on and off stages without wandering.
00:09:22.000In fact, that's probably what everyone's so pleased about, is that he didn't wander off into the crowd, he didn't turn off, he didn't sniff someone on the head.
00:12:30.000I'll find Joe Biden hard enough to concentrate on if he gives a new speech.
00:12:33.000It doesn't mean what he said last year.
00:12:34.000I'd like to see the narrative evolve a little bit.
00:12:37.000Listen, if you're watching this on YouTube or anywhere other than Rumble, we can only stay for a few more minutes.
00:12:42.000After that, we're going to be talking about the impact of lockdown on children and several other early pandemic myths that have been busted.
00:12:51.000So you're going to want to click that link and join us where the speech is free and the fun keeps on flowing.
00:12:56.000Let's analyse Joe Biden's speech a little further, and I want you to particularly pay attention to simplistic, reductive language that tries to frame this complex conflict in terms that allow, I would say, systemic abuses to continue, i.e.
00:13:09.000profiteering, post-war restructuring, That's highly profitable for NAE, such as Black Rock.
00:13:15.000Have a look at the framing of this conflict.
00:13:22.000Obviously, we have an obligation to protect Ukrainian people, but we have said that Ukraine won't join NATO, and now NATO are operating on behalf of Ukraine.
00:13:29.000Yes, there's lots of profits being made from this war.
00:13:49.000A dictator hell-bent on rebuilding an empire will never be able to ease people's... I mean, I think the fact that you can't remember it... It's not catchy enough, is it?
00:13:58.000It's not like Just Say No or something like that.
00:14:02.000Brutality will never grind down the will of the free, and Ukraine Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia.
00:14:40.000If you're watching this on YouTube or anywhere else, we're going to click over exclusively onto Rumble right now, because we're going to be talking in a few minutes about the pandemic and several myths that are being busted.
00:14:50.000We'll also be talking to Darren Allen, Anarchist and critic of our current social system about his new novel and some of his observation about many of the myths that hold our culture together.
00:15:00.000So do join us right now because I'm hankering after free speech, Gareth.
00:15:19.000Fly out from the seat of my pants a bit more?
00:15:22.000When President Putin ordered his tanks to roll into Ukraine, he thought we would roll over.
00:15:29.000That's the reason why it happened, because there'd have been a lot of strategy, a lot of contemplation, a lot of consideration, and I imagine there's been sort of ongoing discussions about what military intervention would look like, what would provoke it.
00:15:39.000You have to consider the Nord Stream Gas Pipeline stuff that's been running alongside this until it was blown up.
00:15:44.000It's not running alongside it anymore.
00:15:47.000One of the things I resent is the jingoism, the reductivism being spoke to in this tone, even the event itself, Gareth.
00:15:53.000Having an event like this in Poland to celebrate the anniversary of a war, is that how the world works?
00:15:59.000I mean, obviously, you know, this week we've literally heard we had the news that Zelensky said he never agreed to and was never going to agree to honour the Minsk accord.
00:16:08.000We heard that he still wants to retake Crimea.
00:16:12.000We've heard that that's a red line for Putin.
00:16:14.000We've heard that America is Supporting aims to retake Crimea.
00:16:18.000These are all parts of a very complex story that, as we have also had admitted by a NATO chief this week, goes back to 2014.
00:16:27.000That you can't just be reduced to a speech with some flags and some pop music.
00:16:32.000Even the equation that Gareth just outlined there, Zelensky's admission that they never planned to obey the Minsk accord, What's wrong?
00:16:41.000America saying they will report action in Crimea, Putin tearing up that treaty, that's enough to have
00:16:48.000That's enough for a nuclear war. That's a recipe for a nuclear war being
00:16:52.000Casually read out and it's and it's being framed as if it's like a Beyonce concert. It doesn't seem like the right time
00:17:11.000Unified, too brave, too reductive, too ridiculous.
00:17:15.000This is the level they think you operate at, psychologically and psychically.
00:17:19.000You're regarded as idiots and children.
00:17:21.000That's what's required for political parentalism to continue and abide.
00:17:25.000That's why I'm excited to talk to Darren Allen a little later, because I suppose essential to anarchy is automatic self-rule, self-rule, autonomy.
00:17:35.000A word that is now being attacked, but a word that is fundamental to all of us, and I think enshrines values of respect for one another's freedom and differences within it.
00:17:47.000There's the story about that bloody treaty being torn up.
00:17:50.000That takes us into terrifying territory.
00:17:52.000And here's a, like, if you're about my age, you know, like from the 70s, 80s, them days, here's a clip of this film.
00:17:59.000After I saw this, when I knew that nuclear war was a thing, till I'd seen this film, I didn't know that nuclear war existed and the potential for an apocalypse was real.
00:18:06.000When this was on, I said to my Uncle Jimmy, God rest his soul, that film, that can't happen in real life, can it?
00:18:12.000And Uncle Jimmy, to his credit, said, yeah.
00:18:37.000It is odd that we're not seeing this kind of stuff now, in a sense.
00:18:42.000You know, if we're as close as it seems that we are, you know, God forbid, something like this happened, we're not seeing this because I guess it doesn't suit the narrative at the moment.
00:18:50.000I think there's a kind of cultural myopia and individual solipsism.
00:19:05.000And certainly on this channel, we don't claim to have the answers,
00:19:08.000but with you, we want to engage in the questions.
00:19:11.000Let us know in the chat how you regard this shift to individualism, reductivism,
00:19:17.000is kind of cultural stupidity at a ubiquitous level.
00:19:22.000Loads of people are getting involved in here and actually they're paying attention.
00:19:26.000as a reality. Good, you're paying attention. I'm glad. Ash Hether said I wish I hadn't seen that
00:19:29.000clip. People are cozying up with their pillows, they're breaking down. One of the things that
00:19:32.000concerns me most is that this is a unilateral attitude. In American politics there is some
00:19:39.000dissent towards the march towards this particular war from the Republican party. Every single
00:19:45.000Democrat voted for all of the military aid packages.
00:19:48.000And that's not called a military aid package.
00:19:49.000It's military industrial complex products being sent to Ukraine, along with IMF monetary aid that locks Ukraine into political promises in the reconstruction era that will follow this awful war if we ever reach that stage.
00:20:09.000Well, in our political system, it's ultimately the same as yours.
00:20:13.000A couple of parties that are basically the same.
00:20:15.000If there's any kind of anomalies or fluctuations, they're quickly shut down by the system.
00:20:19.000Here's Keir Starmer, the current leader of the opposition, presumed to be the next Prime Minister because our W.E.F.
00:20:24.000Bozo current leader can't last too long.
00:20:27.000Giggling little schoolgirl, cuddling up to Trudeau, giggling about Vladimir Zelensky.
00:20:32.000But this dude, who's a lawyer, is a novice, might as well be just a sort of a node of the state.
00:20:39.000Listen to his perspective on the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
00:20:43.000It's very important for me to be here in Ukraine with the people of Ukraine, making clear that support for Ukraine in the United Kingdom is united, making it absolutely clear that should there be an election next year and a change of government, the position on Ukraine will remain the same.
00:21:00.000It's necessary for globalism to continue its relentless advance that any people that are in potential positions of power, let alone actual positions of power, have to spout and mouth the same rhetoric.
00:21:12.000And I just mentioned that there is some Republican opposition to the ongoing military aid and weapons and that going to Ukraine.
00:21:20.000But look, Republicans want billions for Taiwan military aid to counter China. So the
00:21:25.000war machine in either case is going to be significantly supported. And
00:21:32.000what does that make you feel about your political system, your current political
00:21:36.000system? Remember we're going to be talking about alternative political systems a
00:21:38.000bit later and I think that ultimately...
00:21:40.000a new type of populism has to emerge. A decentralized, truly democratic set of systems, a new confederacy.
00:21:48.000Something's got to change guys. This is why we're doing all this, to discuss these ideas
00:21:51.000with you, isn't it Gareth? Absolutely. That's what drives us. One of the ways that they're
00:21:55.000undermining Putin is by saying he's not very well all the time.
00:22:46.000When you listen to him sat by them yellowing old 1980s phones in his powerbox, he is very certain, determined, I have killed people, I will kill people again.
00:22:57.000Apparently some of the people there, and just look at their first still.
00:22:59.000I'll tell you what, they're doing well on the diversity front over in Russia, better than I would have expected, and for that, in my opinion, they should be applauded.
00:23:06.000There's like an orthodox Russian minister, there's a Buddhist monk.
00:23:51.000Now, if you look at the presentation of the advancing military conflict from an American perspective, you get all that light and color show going on in Poland right now, simplifying the war, making war into a commodity.
00:24:03.000You watch Russia's more ascetic version of it.
00:24:07.000The military in Belarus, they talk about war like an old school war.
00:24:25.000I mean, that's not what you want to hear if you're facing them.
00:24:27.000We're going to need them little clip-clop robot dogs to send out there, because in Belarus, if they ain't got no weapons, they're just going to eat the people that they're fighting.
00:24:38.000Like, I've met quite a lot of people from around that region over the years, Eastern Europe, Ukrainians, like people from around there, Belarus.
00:24:45.000I'd say in short, don't fuck with them.
00:24:51.000I've been on holiday where there's been a lot of Russian and Ukrainian people.
00:24:54.000They kick your head in just for getting in the swimming pool.
00:24:57.000You're acting Ross like there was at some point a peace deal on the table.
00:25:01.000And as we all know, that was simply never the case.
00:25:04.000There never was a peace deal available that Boris Johnson, our little fluffy baby chick former Prime Minister, went out and derailed for what reason exactly?
00:25:14.000That's been sort of widely disseminated now.
00:25:16.000We broadly understand that that did happen.
00:25:26.000There's a couple of studies that have come out recently that demonstrate that what many of us suspected, that the lockdown was going to have a detrimental effect on our children.
00:25:35.000I'm a father of children and by God, those kids They need all the help they can get, Lemaitre.
00:25:40.000Two studies show the pandemic lockdown's devastating effect on kids.
00:25:44.000The American public was assured by both the mainstream media and people in federal government that our children were resilient and could easily make up...
00:25:51.000Any learning loss incurred through digital at-home learning.
00:26:47.000You know, when you think of all those things, hold on, what about if these lockdowns are worse than the thing they're supposed to be curing?
00:27:01.000So, basically, every single thing you thought Was right.
00:27:07.000Difficulty as well isn't it that people find and especially frustrating with regard to the children is that they literally had no choice.
00:27:13.000I mean you could say that we all had no choice when it came to lockdowns and in America mandates which at least we didn't we didn't have in this country.
00:27:19.000All of those nurses and key workers losing their jobs because of a refusal to be compliant.
00:27:24.000I wonder if there will be a spate of legal cases to remunerate them for what I would say is wrongful dismissal on the basis of this evidence.
00:27:31.000You see like It's not like we want to bang on and on or sort of say, oh, we were right all along.
00:27:36.000Look, the narrative has shifted significantly and you can observe it in real time.
00:27:42.000All I reckon the pandemic provided was a lens for how systems of power operate, how they obfuscate truth, how they change narratives to their advantage.
00:27:52.000And when the consequences of that deception come home to roost, they evade it, avoid it, say you're a nutter, smear opposition, shut down dissent.
00:27:59.000That's what I'm And who's this affected most?
00:28:03.000It is the story of the pandemic all over again, that these, you know, huge amount of wealth was taken from poorest people and shoveled right to the top.
00:29:42.000By now you're aware that the Ohio train wreck has possibly caused enormous toxicity in drinking water supplies.
00:29:51.000This is not being significantly reported on or sufficiently reported on.
00:29:54.000We're also pointing out how balloons have been prioritised and favoured in mainstream media reporting.
00:30:00.000Are these balloons just a distraction?
00:30:02.000Is the real disaster toxicity in your drinking water?
00:30:05.000Let's have a look at these two stories, how they compare and contrast, why certain information is prioritized, why certain information is extracted, and how your consciousness is being controlled and directed by the media machine.
00:30:17.000Let's have a look at what Secretary of State Anthony Blinken has to say about the balloon story, a man whose surname describes what he must have been doing when that train crashed.
00:30:25.000Do we still believe that the balloon...
00:31:13.000So the whole thing Might have been an accident, literally caused by the wind.
00:31:16.000So this is a story about hot air blown around by cool air.
00:31:19.000That doesn't really sound evil enough, does it?
00:31:21.000A White House official has admitted three unidentified objects shot down by US fighter jets since Friday may turn out to be balloons connected to benign commercial or research efforts.
00:31:30.000So that just means they shot down, essentially, balloons.
00:31:32.000It might as well have been the Goodyear blimp or Phileas Fogg or that little kid from Up.
00:31:37.000Nevertheless, just to be on the safe side, blow it up with a $400,000 missile, I'd say.
00:31:41.000I gave the order to take down these three objects.
00:31:46.000I gave the order to take down these harmless, inoffensive balloons.
00:31:50.000This is the level we've literally reached.
00:31:52.000The US president is a man who has the authority to take down a balloon, but not to take down your drug prices.
00:31:57.000A group of balloon enthusiasts, teens, dads, and grandpas, Joe Biden refers to that group of octogenarians as pesky scamps and youngsters, say they believe their $12 balloon, just like the one in this photo, was the balloon shot down over Alaska by a $400,000 missile.
00:32:16.000Doesn't seem like good use of your taxpayer dollars.
00:33:46.000The train derailment and chemical spill in Ohio has highlighted just how bizarre such a focus on perceived external national security threats has become.
00:33:54.000The far greater threat may be from within.
00:33:55.000Perfect metaphor in many ways, we're continually distracted and invited to think that there is a foreign invader or threat, whether it's terrorists, the cold war, or even germs on some occasions, when the real threat is the fact that we live in a deeply corrupt and hypocritical society where where political parties and corporate interests that
00:34:12.000transcend national boundaries have such deeply entrenched interests that democracy is redundant and
00:35:30.000Probably because we'll be so excited about that list of chemicals that we'll all go crazy and jump into the sea and start shooting down balloons without government authorisation.
00:35:38.000Oh, you thought that the list of chemicals would be really toxic and worrying and would cause you to lose faith in your government and their regulatory agencies?
00:35:46.000That list of chemicals were a surprise for your birthday!
00:36:18.000The Water Keepers Alliance analysis found detectable PFAS levels in 95 out of 114, or 83%, of waterways tested across 34 states and the District of Columbia, and frequently at levels that exceed federal and state limits.
00:36:32.000Okay, so most water is polluted with forever chemicals, which doesn't sound like very good news unless you're another chemical and you're lonely.
00:36:39.000Hold on a minute, we don't know what PFAS are.
00:37:00.000We'll release the list when we're ready.
00:37:01.000Previous analyses have used municipal utility data to estimate that the chemicals are contaminating drinking water for over 200 million people.
00:37:27.000Regulators and utilities have been slow to address PFAS contamination in part because of cost.
00:37:33.000EPA has proposed designating PFOS and PFOA as hazardous substances, which could force industry to fund cleanups for those compounds, but not the other 33 found in the study, or thousands more that exist.
00:37:45.000That will leave it up to taxpayers to cover those cleanup costs.
00:37:48.000So they make the profits, you do the cleaning up.
00:37:53.000In response to the Ohio disaster, government and railway officials decided to burn off the vinyl chloride, effectively dumping 1.1 million pounds of the chemical into the local community, according to a new lawsuit.
00:38:05.000Officials said that they did so to avert the vinyl chloride from exploding.
00:38:09.000In contrast, an attorney for the lawsuit has said that the decision was cheap, unsafe, and more interested in restoring train service and appeasing railway shareholders than protecting local residents.
00:38:34.000Who's to say that what comes down in all of the ashes and acid rain won't be good for us and make us into superheroes?
00:38:40.000Norfolk Southern basically nuked a town with chemicals to get a railroad open, a former hazmat technician told a local news outlet.
00:38:47.000It certainly seems like a company with a $55 billion market cap chose to sacrifice the health of thousands of people to keep its profits flowing.
00:38:54.000Unlike the river, which won't be flowing because it's full of stinking brown sludge.
00:38:58.000It's just another way of taking the temperature of the way that our systems operate.
00:39:02.000When there's the requirement for a decision to be made, the factors that are most important are profit, not the health of ordinary people.
00:39:07.000Whenever this system works for you, it's by accident.
00:39:10.000Oh, look, I've got a new phone, but it benefits the system in loads and loads of ways.
00:39:13.000Oh, I'm eating this food, but it benefits the system in loads of ways.
00:39:16.000Your life, your well-being, your experience of reality is irrelevant.
00:39:21.000You are a blob of commodity just dumped there to consume.
00:39:25.000If ever your interests are at odds with their interests, you are fucked.
00:39:29.000That's what I've been learning over the course of running this channel.
00:39:31.000Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments.
00:39:32.000The situation demands immediate action from President Biden.
00:39:35.000Without it, thousands of people, including children and the elderly, fuck them, and animals, will be at continued risk of premature death.
00:39:42.000Biden must declare a state of emergency and create an independent task force to take over the remediation of this eco-catastrophe.
00:40:30.000A looming Supreme Court decision could end up making it easier for the railroad giant, who's train derailed in Ohio this month, to block lawsuits, including from victims of the disaster.
00:40:41.000I don't remember big corporations being granted indemnity for many of the consequences of their actions in re- Oh.
00:40:48.000In the case against Norfolk Southern, the Biden administration is siding with the railroad in its conflict with a cancer-stricken former rail worker.
00:41:01.000Big corporation or cancer-stricken former rail worker?
00:41:04.000A high court ruling for Norfolk Southern could create a national precedent, limiting where workers and consumers can bring cases against corporations.
00:41:14.000Limiting lawsuits is exactly what the American Association of Railroad, the industry's primary lobbying group, wants.
00:41:21.000It is also apparently what the Biden administration wants.
00:41:23.000The Justice Department filed its own brief in favour of Norfolk Southern.
00:41:27.000Oh, so the Biden administration supports Norfolk Southern, not the potentially sick people, not the environment, not railroad workers, not the vulnerable.
00:41:37.000Nothing they said while campaigning is true.
00:41:38.000That's why I didn't get all excited like it was some sort of big deal.
00:41:43.000Such a decision could affect lawsuits filed by residents exposed to hazardous chemicals as the result of accidents in other states, such as the East Palestine-Ohio derailment disaster, which occurred five miles west of the Pennsylvania state line.
00:41:55.000Curious at a time like this, a precedent might be established that would prevent forthcoming lawsuits, but that must just be some kind of coincidence, because I know that Joe Biden cares about the environment and cares about workers, not about corporations and giving them an easy ride, which is not what those chemicals got, and we still haven't seen the full list of them.
00:42:12.000So it's easy to conclude, then, that America is a country that supports corporations while claiming to care about workers and the environment, but when they get the perfect opportunity to show that they care about the environment by, for example, dealing with an environmental disaster successfully and succinctly, they don't do it.
00:42:25.000So does that mean, then, when they're talking about climate change and all that stuff, it's kind of bollocks?
00:42:32.000We'd have to lose our faith in the system to come to that conclusion and that's something that I've not done years ago when I was about 12.
00:43:48.000The myth of education, the myth of science, the myth of fun.
00:43:51.000I think a lot of your writing came to people's attention during the pandemic, when your analysis was that the crisis was being used to implement further surveillance and that there was a lot of observable Duplicity, can you talk us through how you came to some of those conclusions and broadly speaking, what you think the significance of the pandemic was and what we can learn from it when it comes to how power operates and the convergence of interests that coalesce around an event like that?
00:44:19.000Well, first of all, do you think it was a pandemic?
00:44:24.000I mean, by that, I suppose when I'm using that name, I mean, you know, there was coronavirus, SARS, people had symptoms, it was travelling between China, Italy, so under those terms, yeah.
00:44:36.000I mean, the IFR, the infection fatality rate was kind of like that of a bad flu.
00:44:43.000The all-cause mortality wasn't out of the ordinary.
00:44:49.000There weren't people dying in the streets.
00:44:53.000All of Africa seemed to get through okay.
00:44:55.000Celebrities were getting through okay.
00:44:58.000All of Africa first and then celebrities.
00:45:02.000Africa of course where the patents weren't made available and so the vaccine weren't so widely disseminated and you're saying there weren't any significant difference in like for alleys or even infection?
00:45:13.000Well, the old WHO definition of pandemic used to be a large number of people dying.
00:45:39.000So given that you even refute the definition, pandemic, what do you think about the broader response and some of the manifestations around it, mate?
00:45:49.000Well, I mean, it takes a while before you can discover what really is behind vast crimes.
00:45:54.000I mean, when they're actually happening, no one really knows.
00:45:58.000The best analysis I've found is by a guy called Fabio Vigi, I think it is, and he has a pretty convincing case for the fact that it was just a means of pumping in trillions of dollars into the economy and switching off Main Street.
00:46:14.000That is basically the modus operandi of the economic system since forever really.
00:46:22.000It's a debt-based Ponzi scheme and it's inevitably going to crash and crash and crash and crash and the only way to save it is to print money.
00:48:01.000And that's something that's often missed in radical analysis, that we are living in a machine.
00:48:09.000And you've got the people on the right who own the machine, what you call capitalists, and then you've got people on the left who manage the machine, the professional class.
00:48:20.000But it's the machine that is the problem.
00:48:22.000We are all suckling at this vast, vast robotic world now.
00:48:32.000And it has its own priorities, its own way of working.
00:48:36.000It forces us to think and live in certain ways.
00:48:45.000Something as immersive and inherently totalitarian as that will require, do you agree, something quite cataclysmic and seismic to bring about its overthrow.
00:49:19.000The faster it can fall apart, the better.
00:49:21.000I used to enjoy Mark Fisher's analysis, in particular his book, Late Capitalism, where he suggested that part of the mastery of this system, and he used a comparable Deleuze and Guterres analysis of it being a machine-like system that generated other machines and created that kind of mentality and that kind of lens.
00:49:39.000He said that part of what he had achieved meant it's impossible for us to envisage new systems, but we see it as reality.
00:49:49.000He said it's easier to envisage the end of the world than the end of capitalism.
00:49:53.000A famous phrase that I think Mark coined, God rest his soul, though he was an anarchist and probably a socialist and an atheist, certainly.
00:50:02.000So when you're saying that there's some optimism in this, We're all yearning to be free.
00:50:07.000We're all yearning for a deeper connection to one another, to ourselves and to nature more broadly.
00:50:14.000Obviously, I know that you're an anarchist and so I'm assuming that what you propose as an alternative system is anarchy.
00:50:20.000Can you talk us through it, bearing in mind that a lot of people watching this and a lot of people asking this question may have only a rudimentary understanding of anarchy and even a misunderstanding of anarchy because a lot of people relate it to nihilism and punkishness and smash the state, smash the system.
00:50:34.000So can you talk us through what you mean by anarchy and indeed what anarchy means more broadly?
00:50:52.000There's kings, there's governments, states, corporations, there's the technocratic system, there's the professional institutional system, there's the mass, the democratic mass, and there's the human ego.
00:51:07.000The degree to which we can be free of all of those things is the degree to which we can be joyous and free.
00:51:14.000Just cutting out one or two of those things, which tends to happen with socialist thinking, for example, okay, let's get rid of capitalism, okay, let's get rid of the elites, or okay, let's attack, you know, the elite doesn't do anything.
00:51:27.000The whole thing has to be identified, first of all, for what it is, and then naturally, by itself, spontaneously organic social forms emerge, as they do when anybody is free.
00:51:43.000I mean, ordinary people are anarchists when they're at their very best.
00:51:48.000So when you are in love, For example, when you have a loving family and everything's going okay, when you have a group of friends, even when you're at work and the boss isn't there, things work well.
00:52:18.000I like the way, mate, that you suggest that there's a deep spiritual component to it, the human ego, that the first system that we must overcome is the system of self and that there's a, I suppose what you say, there's a kind of, if not uniformity, there's a, there is a sort of a kind of a linear expression of freedom right through the self to the systems that we create.
00:52:38.000In your book, 33 Myths About the System, I liked how you took on sort of broad topics like science and Fun and professional class and sort of broke down how these things that sort of come together more in a sense, in a sense, faith based systems.
00:52:54.000You said a minute ago that anarchy breaks out, you know, wherever it gets its chance.
00:53:00.000And I suppose you don't mean like in sort of experimental communities, you mean sort of almost naturally and organically.
00:53:06.000Can you talk us through a few examples of it?
00:53:07.000Because I think I'd like our viewers to appreciate the possibility that it's something that We talk all the time about how are we going to change the world.
00:53:17.000This channel is a lot about critiquing establishment power, establishment thinking.
00:53:22.000Similarly, we talk about individual awakening and personal and spiritual awakening not being a subset that is ultimately about how you can operate better within the system, like how many traditionless or hybrid forms of spirituality tend to be applied.
00:53:38.000Learn to meditate and be better at your job.
00:53:41.000Do yoga and be more attractive to potential mates.
00:53:44.000Spirituality that is at its core challenging to these interwoven machines.
00:53:52.000Can you talk to us about a few examples of where we see anarchism at play and how we might in our own lives apply anarchism?
00:54:00.000Well, the Postal Service, for example, is anarchistic.
00:54:05.000Essentially, I mean, they have bosses and they have fat cats screaming it off, but the way that the Postal Service works, no one's in charge of it.
00:54:26.000For example, although that was, it didn't, that was anarcho-syndicalism, but that, yeah that worked pretty well, but the supreme example Which we should all look towards for all manner of inspiration in our lives is primal, hunter-gatherer, simple human beings before civilization.
00:54:47.000For 99% of our history, we have been anarchists.
00:54:53.000Essentially, there has been no democracy.
00:54:56.000Democracy is deeply un-anarchist system.
00:55:00.000Democracy forces you to obey, it's dictatorship of the 51% basically.
00:55:07.000It smooths people over into a manageable pace, that's why it rose in popularity, because it's a means to organise and control people, democracy.
00:55:18.000And it's something else, which I've forgotten.
00:55:22.000Daniel Pinchbeck, who brought me to your attention, is like a mate of mine, a brilliant writer on many of these topics.
00:55:29.000He's talked about Oscar Wilde's famous essay, The Soul of Man Under Socialism.
00:55:37.000And it's pretty clear that you're not a pro-socialism person.
00:55:40.000I know a lot of people at home will have, as soon as they hear that word, will think about the great 20th century expressions of Maoism and Stalinism and all of those kind of expressions of post-Marxist ideology.
00:55:53.000What Wilde talks about, it's interesting that we're talking about a romantic genius rather than an avowed philosopher or theologian.
00:56:01.000He talked about the idea that technology could be utilized to generate leisure and freedom and an aesthetic culture.
00:56:09.000Are you fundamentally anti-technology?
00:56:12.000Do you think that it's a kind of utility of power or do you think that we could use technology to create a more liberated and free society?
00:56:50.000I can't just wander face first into Armageddon safe in the knowledge that immediately afterwards we're going to all be able to eat vegetables at our own pace.
00:57:26.000Um, so there might be anarchists listening to this just frothing at the mouth.
00:57:30.000Um, but as far as I'm concerned, technology itself is a dominating force in our lives and that it's not neutral.
00:57:38.000It's connected with a vast system that is, uh, subordinating.
00:57:42.000You know, if I, when I start criticizing technology, people often say, Oh, you've got a smart, but I don't actually have a smart, but you've got a phone.
00:57:48.000What did you write that would, you know, of course I use individual Items of technology because I live in this crummy world that forces me to.
00:57:57.000The system as a whole, the massive interlocking technological system, it's not neutral.
00:58:04.000It reduces us to machines and it forces a bureaucratic management system that also coerces and subordinates us.
00:58:13.000But that doesn't mean that imagination couldn't be applied to these technologies and ideals.
00:58:20.000Certainly, I recognise the value of what you're saying and honouring our nature, but I also feel that we have to start from where we are, that there are such things as electoral democracy that have to be overcome.
00:58:35.000And I see that there's a sort of, in a sense, a kind of...
00:58:38.000Acceptance that we may be carried by a cosmic flow, by a kind of Gnosticism, a kind of ease.
00:58:45.000But me, I've always been a bit more of a conflagratory, let's get stuck in there and bring about a revolution type of person.
00:59:00.000You've taken us on an incredible journey to anarcho-primitivism, a rare and esoteric sect within anarchism.
00:59:07.000I suppose what I mostly take from this is that when we are told that the system is the way it is, nothing can change, it's fundamentally benign, and the best that we can hope for is reform and incremental improvement, when you listen to ideas around anarchism, It bears that, it exposes that as fundamentally untrue.
00:59:26.000A quote from Russell Brand on the back, as well as Irving Welch, and Terry Gilliam, Chris Morris, and Alan de Botton.
00:59:32.000Check out all of Darren Allen's work, and follow him on Substack, where he writes and where I read many of his essays, and sometimes in the comments.
00:59:41.000Oh, you got a bit too far there, Darren.
00:59:43.000Thank you very much for joining us, mate.
01:01:45.000It's more of a soundtrack to a potential Armageddon because that's probably the only sounds that will be existing after that.
01:01:52.000When Orwell offers us the vision of the future that can be reduced to a boot stamping on a human face, I think I visited a future as a robot mouth singing a terrifying sort of just multi-tonal song that you can't extract from the sex industry objects that have already emerged.
01:02:12.000I'm thinking in particular of the fleshlight, which I've never, you know, I'm going to say this, I've never used one of those things, but I've seen them and I've seen them and I don't like them, gal.
01:03:00.000Look, a Chinese company says its automatic sperm extractor is helping clients collect semen from donors reluctant to masturbate in a hospital setting.
01:04:23.000We're here to donate sperm and actually thinking about it I did have a sperm test once I now remember and you do have to masturbate into a cup.
01:09:04.000I've got to get his name right because I think there is potentially racism risks here because you're being reductive around a sort of a non European sounding name, but I don't mean it like that.
01:10:11.000Like, it makes you think that maybe, like, once they create that, you know, the metaverse and everything, they just strap that to your head.
01:11:09.000Yeah, this is desacralising, look at this, Ash Ella, this is desacralising a very human soul, yeah.
01:11:14.000Sex is sacred, sex is a union transcendent of apparent separateness.
01:11:19.000And also, it's funny what Gareth said, I think, that how many people were walking out of that hospital waving their hands, oh no, no way, that it became... I bet that's 60 grand, that machine.
01:11:37.000The machine has also proved useful for urological patients at Shanghai Pudong Hospital, who are unable to produce sperm without a great deal of help.
01:11:46.000Dr. Lee seeming unable to break through sperm without a great deal of help.
01:11:53.000I've been making mine on my own since I was a wee lad!
01:11:56.000...says it's an efficient way to maximize the... When they're sitting, when they're sitting up, why, what made them think we need a shot from underneath for?
01:12:04.000You don't, that's the machine, they're objectifying the sex machine.
01:12:06.000What are you going to do, put a little pair of stilettos on it in a minute?
01:12:10.000...mount and quality of sperm collected, but says there's still room for improvement.
01:12:17.000This device is far more efficient than masturbation.
01:12:21.000And I can speak to that from personal experience!
01:12:48.000Well, hey, maybe we'll cover the rest of this in our special show behind the show, Stay Connected, which me and Gareth make on a weekly basis for the members of our community.
01:12:58.000And also I read out your comments much more often.
01:13:17.000My stand-up special drops there pretty soon.
01:13:20.000Tomorrow, and I can't believe I'm saying this after such a giddying array of pure old jokes, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chris Hedges joins us tomorrow.
01:13:31.000On Friday, Jeremy Corbell, UFO expert, will be talking to us about spy balloons, the deep state, the recent spate of UFO sightings, and whether or not it's being used as a distraction, and what the deep state, deep truths are around the phenomena of non-terrestrial life.
01:13:48.000For a couple of weeks, guys, we are gonna be off We are going to be off, I imagine, until March the 13th.
01:13:58.000There'll still be fresh presentations regularly dropping, meditations and more.
01:14:04.000My pre-sale of my stand-up special goes live next week.
01:14:07.000If you're a member on Locals, you'll get it for nothing, just as part of your yearly package, but if you want to buy it as a one-off, there'll be some information published soon about how you can do that.
01:14:16.000And if you want to come see me live and you're in the United States, on March the 2nd, I'm going to be in Los Angeles at the Vermont Theatre.
01:14:22.000On March the 6th, I'm going to be at the Clearwater Theatre in Bilheimer.
01:14:26.000No, I'm going to be in Clearwater at the Capitol Theatre, Bilheimer.