Russell Brand is dressed in a flak jacket for a reason, because we re talking about war and who war is good for. Has the truth finally been exposed that the Ukraine-Russia conflict was used by Western imperialist powers to take your tax dollars, and now maybe take the lives of your family members, in order to benefit multinationals like BlackRock, the IMF and the World Bank, etc. In addition to that, we re going to be talking to Nicole Shanahan, who was Bobby Kennedy s running mate, about globalism, wokeism and vaccines.
00:02:36.000I'm dressed in a flak jacket for a reason.
00:02:38.000It's because we're talking about war and who war is good for.
00:02:41.000Has the truth finally been exposed that the Ukraine-Russia conflict was used by Western imperialist powers to take your tax dollars and now maybe take the lives of your family members, certainly if they're in the military, in order to benefit...
00:02:54.000In order to benefit BlackRock and the IMF and the World Bank, etc.
00:02:58.000In addition to that, we're going to be talking to Nicole Shanahan, who was Bobby Kennedy's running mate, about globalism, wokeism, and vaccines.
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00:03:30.000Let's get into today's story before our conversation with Nicole Shannon.
00:03:34.000We are talking about this story, actually.
00:03:39.000The Prime Minister of the UK and, in a sense, a kind of remnant avatar of globalism in the same way that you recognise Justin Trudeau was, has pledged British troops and 12 billion dollars of British taxpayer money to...
00:03:57.00012 billion pounds of British taxpayer money in order to perpetuate this war.
00:04:01.000Over the next few minutes, we're going to explain how the Ukraine-Russia conflict involves BlackRock, the World Bank...
00:04:09.000And the EU. And essentially how you can see this as a globalist conflict.
00:04:14.000The way that you've been deceived is staggering and astonishing.
00:04:18.000And while it's going to make you furious to learn these facts and to see some brilliant reporting in The Telegraph, which is a legacy media newspaper, while it's going to make you furious, it's also going to give you a deeper understanding of why this conflict is so important.
00:04:32.000First of all, let's start with Keir Starmer's pledge.
00:04:36.000First of all, we're going to start with Keir Starmer's audacious pledge to lead British troops into war.
00:04:44.000I'm prepared to consider committing British forces on the ground alongside others.
00:04:51.000I'm prepared to lead British troops on the ground.
00:04:56.000Let's just hope that this story doesn't lead to us looking at the intolerable image of Keir Starmer in a flak jacket.
00:05:03.000If it irritates you that I'm wearing some pseudo-military gear, bear in mind that I don't have any power to send...
00:05:11.000Children, adults, to war, or pretend that I'm engaged in a humanitarian mission when I'm actually advancing globalism.
00:05:18.000This is a staggering story, and in a minute, you're going to see Keir Starmer in a flak jacket, which is just one above seeing Keir Starmer naked, if you ask me, in things I don't want to see Keir Starmer doing.
00:05:29.000As well as this article from Su Ping Chang in The Telegraph, we're going to be looking at some reporting from Declassified UK, which is going to show us how...
00:05:37.000This humanitarian argument is and has always been a mask for changes in policy inside Ukraine that enable them to legitimately claim aid, both military and philanthropic, which seems to be significantly getting directed towards other interests, and only creating a new Ukrainian billionaire class.
00:05:57.000In a minute, we're going to see RFK explaining that we could have had peace three years ago, but that peace deal was scuppered by the British.
00:06:15.000Amid the devastating war in Ukraine, British economic aid to the country is focused on promoting pro-private sector reforms and on pressing the government to open up its economy to foreign investors.
00:06:24.000If the aid was about protecting children and protecting Ukrainian charity and protecting Ukrainian territory...
00:06:31.000Why is the economic aid focused on promoting private sector reforms?
00:06:37.000At a time when you're deeply cynical and suspicious about the actions of your government, the EU, the World Bank, globalism more broadly, and massive organisations like BlackRock, you would think that the approach to supporting this conflict financially would be, we better make sure that all aid makes its way...
00:06:55.000Directly to Ukrainian people because otherwise people are going to be so cynical about it if they find out, for example, that it looks like we've been lobbying to change the law inside Ukraine so you can sell off a bunch of Ukrainian resources.
00:07:07.000And in fact, when you see Trump say something like, we will continue to support Ukraine, but only on the basis that they will provide us with minerals, that they will back up these loans or this aid with resources, suddenly you realise all the difference between Trump and other politicians is he does publicly...
00:07:23.000And explicitly what they do privately.
00:07:26.000And it seems to me that Trump is more geared towards protecting the inhabitants of his country than a leader like Keir Starmer, who on top of taking advantage of you from behind, wants you to thank him afterwards and give him a lollipop.
00:07:46.000Recently published Foreign Office documents on its flagship aid project in Ukraine, which supports privatisation, notes that the war provides opportunities for Ukraine delivering on some hugely important reforms.
00:07:58.000Do you want to hear people talking about opportunity when you're paying £12 billion worth of additional taxes in order to support this conflict?
00:08:05.000Do you want to hear phrases like, there's an opportunity there?
00:08:11.000Surely it's in the form of the explicit and open Donald Trump who says we're not going to continue aid unless we get this.
00:08:16.000Rather than this insidious, deceptive, claiming to be humanitarian, globalist con that's taking your money and potentially the lives of your family members while sort of asking you to say thank you and appreciate how kind Keir Starmer is.
00:08:33.000The government in Kiev has, in recent months, been responding positively to these calls.
00:08:37.000Last month, President Vladimir Zelensky signed a new law expanding the privatisation of state-owned banks in this country.
00:08:43.000While this war's been going on, they've been changing a bunch of laws in order to make it easier for foreign investors and outside organisations to buy Ukrainian state-owned stuff.
00:09:16.000In fact, it's defining, almost as if the humanitarian argument is irrelevant window dressing.
00:09:21.000And really what matters are all these financial opportunities.
00:09:24.000Let me know in the comments and chat what you think, based on what you know about your government, they're actually prioritising.
00:09:31.000The Ukrainian government's announcement in July Of its large-scale privatisation 2024 programme that's intended to drive foreign investment into the country.
00:09:40.000Large assets slayed for privatisation currently include the country's biggest producer of titanium ore, a leading producer of concrete products, and a mining processing plant.
00:09:49.000So amidst all this talk of, oh, we've got to stand firm, we've got to help Ukraine, we've got to support Ukraine, round the back, in the back channels, people are doing deals for titanium ore.
00:09:58.000You would think at this time, explicitly and almost religiously, the people...
00:10:03.000People that are asking British troops to enter into a war.
00:10:06.000French troops departing from the US, while departing from US foreign policy when it comes to this war, will be ensuring that every decision they make could under scrutiny look like exploitative will be ensuring that every decision they make could under scrutiny But here we are.
00:10:26.000Looks like there's a lot of opportunities.
00:10:28.000In fact, they're admitting there are opportunities.
00:10:29.000If down the line we find out that the World Bank are involved, that BlackRock are involved, and that other...
00:10:38.000Unelected bureaucratic bodies and corporate bodies are involved.
00:10:41.000You might start to think, hang on, this is a war about globalism and resources, not a war about protecting Ukrainian people.
00:10:47.000Ukraine envisaged privatising the country's roughly 3,500 state-owned enterprises in a law in 2018, which said foreign citizens and companies could become owners.
00:10:57.000Remember, there was a coup in 2014. In 2018, the law was changed to allow foreign companies to buy their stuff.
00:11:03.000So you're starting to look now at figures like George Soros, companies like BlackRock, Vanguard, and...
00:11:08.000And indeed, Zelensky is publicly admitted, I think at the Golden Globes, like the...
00:11:14.000Publicly admitted, publicly thanked, I think at the Golden Globes, JP Morgan, JP Morgan, BlackRock.
00:11:24.000Is there anyone left who believes that...
00:11:26.000Is there anyone left who wants their personal tax dollars flowing into this conflict with the mistaken belief that it's somehow benefiting Ukrainian kids?
00:11:36.000Whether you're an American service person, a British service person, Russian or Ukrainian, you're all getting screwed in this conflict so that they can benefit from passing up Ukrainian resources and sell them to Western business interests.
00:12:25.000One of its aims is to ensure that Ukraine adopts and implements economic reforms that create a more inclusive economy, enhancing trade opportunities with the UK. What a beautiful bit of bureaucratic language that actually reveals that the true intention is to create...
00:12:39.000The true intention is to create financial opportunities.
00:12:42.000It ain't about protecting Ukrainian people.
00:12:45.000It's about exploiting Ukrainian resources.
00:12:53.000Heaven forbid that the Ukrainian people's interests should be protected and preserved.
00:12:57.000Doesn't it sort of make sense to you when you look at Zelensky and you look at some of the stuff Zelensky's done in the past, prancing about and leotards and stuff, that he's actually merely a person who stands...
00:13:47.000But the reason that Donald Trump is an anomaly and a problem is not because he is deceptive and duplicitous, but because he's an individualistic tycoon who, in this position of power, can disrupt globalism.
00:14:01.000It notes, ironically, That's a lot of words to say we are going to rip off the vulnerable Ukrainian people by getting their state-owned resources and selling them to companies that are probably,
00:14:27.000if you investigate it, connected to groups, connected to individuals like George Soros.
00:14:33.000Britain's privatisation agenda in Ukraine is part of a wider push by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund, which routinely promote privatisation in low-income countries, often as a condition of providing aid.
00:14:45.000The reason this conflict is unique is not because of the aggression of Putin, but because media reporting now exposes the complexity of these types of conflicts.
00:14:55.000If that were not true, you wouldn't have the looming spectre of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank entering.
00:15:02.000These kind of pressures always exist in conflicts of this nature, i.e. those organisations don't lend money to countries that are in crisis unless those countries say, we're going to take on a bunch of debt from you or we're going to sell your favoured partners a bunch of our resources.
00:15:19.000What we are living in now is globalism versus emergent nationalism.
00:15:24.000Trump, Trump, Trump, the yellow vests, Trump in America, the yellow vests in France, all these kind of nativist political figures that say we're putting our country in their populations first.
00:15:37.000You might regard that as, I don't know, exclusive or racist or a whole bunch of things.
00:15:41.000The truth is, even if it is evil, it's the lesser of two evils when it comes to the mendacity of globalism.
00:15:52.000Because these World Bank International Monetary Fund BlackRock gigs, that's Lucifer.
00:15:59.000That's the stuff that will take over the world, tyrannise and chain you.
00:16:02.000And if you think that's hyperbolic, just look at the facts.
00:16:05.000They're willing to send UK troops into a war that's none of their business against an opponent that they can't beat in order to carve up Ukrainian resources and sell them to big corporations.
00:16:14.000Not for you, not for me, not for your children, and certainly not for the troops that will be invited to lay down their lives for this.
00:16:21.000But for globalist corporate interests.
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00:17:30.000Zelensky's recent announcement on state-owned banks is based on World Bank recommendations and gives international donors a role in selecting financial advisors for the sales.
00:17:38.000So, Zelensky has just changed the law around state-owned banks because the World Bank has told him to do it.
00:17:45.000Do you think these policies will somehow favour the international finance industry?
00:17:53.000Earlier this month, the World Bank announced it was allocating $593 million to support Ukraine's private sector, focused on improving the regulatory environment.
00:18:02.000Improving the regulatory environment means we're taking over.
00:18:04.000You're going to change the regulations so it's beneficial to the interests we represent.
00:18:10.000That's what people who voted for Trump voted against.
00:18:12.000That's why Trump's position on this war, and America's therefore, is going to alter radically.
00:18:17.000And that's why it's insane that Britain is saying we're going to dedicate troops to this conflict, because without the United States of America...
00:18:23.000You can no longer mask the globalist nature of this endeavour, which is unpopular.
00:18:28.000Does anyone in the UK want to pay more money or want to send their military into this conflict?
00:18:33.000The answer to that is a succinct, monosyllabic no.
00:18:36.000One of the conditions imposed by the IMF in last year's $15 billion loan to the Ukraine is for the government in Kiev to produce a strategy on privatisation and for that strategy to be favourable.
00:18:46.000Similarly, the EU's recently agreed Ukraine plan, which will provide 50 billion euros to Ukraine in grants and loans during 24 to 27, is also conditional on, among other things, the entry into force of the legislation on corporate governance of state-owned enterprises.
00:19:01.000Now, I know this sounds a little bit boring at points, but what they're essentially saying is support in this war is contingent on Ukraine carving up state-owned assets and selling them to our preferred partners.
00:19:13.000But when you're inviting British kids...
00:19:16.000French kids, American kids, were it not for Trump, to die in this conflict, it becomes nefarious, almost beyond measure and imagination.
00:19:23.000And when you think back to Keir Starmer saying, it is with great regret and reluctance that I'm going to put on a flak jacket and pretend to care about war, you realise what you're dealing with.
00:19:34.000Just because it's boring, it doesn't mean it's not evil.
00:19:37.000Rustam Umryov, the head of the State Property Fund, which presides over Ukraine's privatization strategy, said in July that international partners support the start of large-scale privatization and are ready to facilitate pitches to the business communities in their countries.
00:19:52.000The search for strategic investors is an opportunity for their development and a path to leadership in the world market, he added.
00:19:58.000Foreign investment in rebuilding Ukraine's economy is being coordinated by the world's largest asset manager.
00:20:10.000Weren't we about protecting people in Kiev and orphanages and children?
00:20:14.000And why does Hannah Biden work at Burisma anyway?
00:20:17.000The Ukrainian government notes that privatisation can benefit the country by reducing subsidies, provide income to the state budget, and increase public benefits through market-oriented products and services.
00:20:26.000It's essentially an attempt to hollow out Ukraine.
00:20:44.000And on top of that, British troops are going to be asked to lay down their lives in order to facilitate this, and you're going to pay for it through your work.
00:20:53.000The key goal for Western states supposedly aiding Ukraine's privatization process is to find access to new markets and to bring Ukraine into their commercial orbit, fully detaching it from their rival, Russia.
00:21:03.000A sign the Ukrainian public needs persuading about this Western Bank privatization is that the US-UK Sawyer Project, that's the name of the bureaucratic endeavor to...
00:21:12.000Vulcanize, the irony, Ukrainian assets.
00:21:15.000Includes a public relations dimension.
00:21:17.000One of its goals is to assist the government in strategic communications to enhance reforms.
00:21:21.000That's why Zelensky has become a kind of celebrity, why he's always cropping up at award ceremonies and stuff like that and dolled up in a flak jacket.
00:21:28.000This now affects me because I've got skin in the game because I'm a British person and therefore I pay British taxes and therefore I know people in the British military.
00:21:36.000And even if I didn't, I wouldn't want these people to be laying down their lives on the basis of a disgusting lie.
00:21:45.000Now the fact is that since the beginning of the conflict, Britain has been supporting the globalist agenda, particularly when Biden was in power.
00:21:51.000Now Biden's not in power, so the true nefarious nature of this conflict is being exposed.
00:21:55.000Let's have a look at how the legacy media try to frame this in a beneficial way.
00:21:59.000The UK has been one of Ukraine's closest and strongest allies.
00:22:07.000Doesn't matter if the Prime Minister is that blonde one, that brown one, or this new boring one, we're doing the same thing.
00:22:13.000Almost like it don't matter who you vote for, you're gonna get someone who's gonna send your taxes and your children into this unwinnable, pointless, appalling war.
00:22:46.000a person that would deny everything until you can prove otherwise and then simply blame somebody else for whatever problem he's been previously denying, is now in charge of British lives.
00:22:58.000Sometimes I realise that they've made politics so boring that we don't think about the people that we put in charge, the people that we put in power.
00:23:05.000We're giving them an incredible moral responsibility.
00:23:08.000And if that moral responsibility is not undergirded by some kind of supreme force, rather than arbitrary notions of right and wrong, they're always boiled down to expedience in their cases.
00:23:18.000He says, oh, it's expedient to support Ukraine because we'll be able to balkanise their country and all of their state assets and sell it off again.
00:23:23.000So, yeah, it don't matter if British taxpayer money, it's not my money, British taxpayer money goes towards it.
00:23:28.000It don't matter if British lives go towards it.
00:23:29.000But that's all been exposed now because you've got a populist leader in the United States of America.
00:23:34.000So you can't just lay a sort of a dainty little tablecloth over the whole country.
00:23:39.000Lay a dainty little tablecloth over the whole abortion.
00:23:41.000You're going to be confronted with the fact that this is not a popular war, this isn't what people want to do, and it's not even what the United States are going to do now.
00:23:48.000For there are questions about how feasible that is.
00:23:51.000It is not going to be very easy to do it.
00:23:53.000First place, you've got all the constraints on the British side.
00:24:03.000Are not prepared or ready to enter into a conflict of this nature, even if it's just as a peacekeeping force or whatever euphemism they're using to mask the fact that British taxpayer dollars and potentially British...
00:24:14.000Taxpayer power, British taxpayer money, and the British military are being sacrificed in the pursuit of a goal that seems increasingly dubious.
00:24:24.000If it weren't dubious, why are BlackRock, World Bank and IMF involved?
00:24:52.000That's what BlackRock, IMF, World Bank is.
00:24:55.000The preservation of elite power no matter what you do politically.
00:24:59.000The problem is the United States of America has just berserked itself.
00:25:03.000Berserked itself into a new populist era, and whether the changes are a net gain or a net loss, we'll soon see, won't we?
00:25:11.000But what appears to be the case at the moment is more peace and less willingness to cough up and fund these globalist wars.
00:25:17.000And even promising more spending isn't going to answer that immediate question.
00:25:23.000Because it takes some years to get them, recruit them, train them, and so on.
00:25:27.000The UK Armed Forces are more than 5,000 personnel below their target size at the moment.
00:25:32.000It's like people don't want to join an army when they're told the whole time that they're racist and that they're worthless and they see that their country's being driven off the edge of a cliff in pursuit of globalist goals.
00:25:43.000That's weird, that, that people don't want to lay down their lives and die when you've abandoned all of their values, when you've broken down all of their institutions, when you've told them that they're worthless.
00:26:04.000And none of us are sort of discussing whether or not we want this.
00:26:07.000They use the veil of war in order to take your money and to give it to elite organizations and institutions.
00:26:14.000Well, how would you feel if you were to discover that a great deal of these resources are finding their way not into the battlefields or Ukrainian orphanages, but into the pockets of already rich individuals?
00:26:23.000Some of them are Ukrainian, but while simultaneously facilitating the profits and power of organizations like the World Bank, the IMF, and BlackRock, etc.
00:26:34.000Together we'll be able to start the difficult war of rebuilding Ukraine, our cities, our economy, our infrastructure.
00:26:45.000It is already clear that this will be the largest economic project of our time in Europe.
00:26:53.000And just in case you think I'm a hysterical conspiracy theorist, and hey, maybe sometimes I am, here's Vladimir Zelensky himself name-checking the powers that are ultimately going to benefit and facilitate this advancing globalist agenda.
00:27:07.000We have already managed to attract attention and have cooperation with such giants of the international financial and investment world as BlackRock, J.P. Morgan and Golden Sox.
00:27:20.000Such American brands as Starlink or Westinghouse have already become part of our Ukrainian way.
00:27:28.000It's not the Olympics where you've got McDonald's hypocritically sponsoring an event that's about health and fitness and denigrating Jesus Christ.
00:28:10.000Part of what globalism means, as you know, if you're living in a Western country, is your borders will be flooded, your assets will be stripped, and elite powers that you cannot reach or even conceptualize sometimes will seize the reins of your nation and seize the lives of your children.
00:28:26.000Your brilliant defense systems, such as HIMARS or Bradley's.
00:28:33.000Also, Tucker Carlson has some pretty unique and interesting insights that completely alter the way you see this conflict.
00:28:39.000The Alps, which is probably the most expensive town in the world.
00:28:42.000I was not there to ski for the record.
00:29:55.000But it seems pretty likely, doesn't it, that the CIA and deep state organizations have relationships with the Ukrainian deep state and ultimately facilitate the maneuvering and movements of groups like the IMF and the World Bank and BlackRock, etc.
00:30:07.000And when someone like Trump gets into power and starts saying, we're going to start sacking everybody and getting rid of the deep state, it's a massive disruption to...
00:30:15.000Ensconced within American institutions that are also funded by you, CIA, FBI, etc., are all sorts of bureaucrats that have the kind of affiliations that mean that that trajectory can go uninterrupted.
00:30:27.000The IMF Institute are in general support of it.
00:30:29.000BlackRock are in general support of it.
00:30:30.000That is the nature of this coordination.
00:30:32.000Now we've got this different type of reporting, these different type of communications, where someone like Tucker Carlson or Lex Friedman or Joe Rogan or whoever can just get on your phone and tell you the facts of the matter.
00:30:43.000No wonder you have to create new categories, misinformation, disinformation.
00:30:47.000Really what's required is the ability to continue business as usual.
00:30:52.000That's what they're trying to do in Ukraine right now, at least the British are, while clearly in Trump's America a different trajectory is being explored.
00:31:00.000And then you need the ability to prevent people communicating about it.
00:31:09.000But this conflict's been going for a while.
00:31:11.000Let's have a look at what Bobby Kennedy said about events way back a few years ago.
00:31:15.000President Biden sent Boris Johnson to Ukraine to force President Zelensky to tear up a peace agreement that he and the Russians had already signed and the Russians were withdrawing troops from Kiev and Donbass and Lugans.
00:31:31.000And that peace agreement would have brought...
00:31:34.000East of the region and would have allowed Donbass and Lugansk to remain part of Ukraine.
00:31:39.000President Biden stated that month that his objective in the war was regime change in Russia.
00:31:47.000His Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin simultaneously explained that America's purpose in the war was to exhaust the Russian army to degrade its capacity to fight anywhere else in the world.
00:32:00.000These objectives, of course, have nothing to do with what they were telling Americans about protecting Ukraine's sovereignty.
00:32:08.000In a way, I see the Ukraine-Russia conflict as a partner to the COVID pandemic.
00:32:13.000These massive global stories were unable to be contained and narrativised in the way that globalists would have preferred because of independent media reporting.
00:32:24.000Because in real time, we were getting counter-narratives that seemed more plausible than what we were being told by our governments and our media.
00:32:37.000The reason for that is because independent media has been telling us the truth.
00:32:41.000Whether it was the pipeline or whether it's the vaccines or whether it's the lab leak or whether it was those missiles not coming from Poland or whether it's the CIA labs in Ukraine.
00:32:53.000Narratives emerge so quickly that they've had to create the category of misinformation and disinformation just to maintain control of their globalist agenda.
00:33:04.000Now that America has gone all populist and MAGA, countries like the UK and France are dreadfully exposed.
00:33:12.000The World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, NATO, then agencies within America, the CIA, the FBI, all of them are undertaking a massive reckoning now.
00:33:21.000So someone like Keir Starmer, flak jacket or no flak jacket, AIDS test, which is what he took recently on no AIDS test, is dreadfully exposed.
00:33:29.000He has to stand up in front of the world's media and therefore world's population now.
00:33:37.000I'm reluctantly taking your tax dollars.
00:33:39.000And they've got to cross their fingers and hope that we don't look at that guy right in the eyes and say, wait a minute, I don't trust him.
00:33:48.000Maybe this Ukraine conflict is about selling state assets and doing globalist deals.
00:33:54.000Maybe we can't trust leaders like Keir Starmer.
00:33:57.000Maybe they don't represent the best interests of the British people.
00:34:00.000Maybe there's a reason that farmers are up in arms on the street, why people feel disgusted, disgraced and broken by the immigration crisis in the UK.
00:34:09.000Maybe there's a reason that people feel furious about the incarceration and imprisonment of people for free speech online.
00:34:21.000The COVID pandemic and the Ukraine-Russia war are the pivotal stories that have changed the perspectives of millions of people when it comes to the true nature of globalism and the true nature of power.
00:34:32.000And it's helped us to recognise, in fact, that nationalism is likely going to be a first step against globalism.
00:34:41.000Furthermore, if you look at it a little more deeply, and I don't see why we shouldn't, you start to see that if people don't love God and don't believe in any...
00:34:49.000I don't believe in any resolute, universal truths, whether you call it common sense or Jesus Christ, then people in positions of power are just arbitrarily coming up with an agenda and then imposing their will by violence.
00:35:03.000There's no resolute, absolute principles.
00:35:06.000One day they have their pronouns in their bios.
00:35:08.000The next day they don't have their pronouns in the bios.
00:35:10.000One minute they're telling you this is a good and just war.
00:35:15.000The next minute they're telling you there was a completely corrupt war.
00:35:18.000The next minute they're telling you to take these vaccines, the next minute they're telling you should never have taken those vaccines.
00:37:00.000Hey, if you've not been watching Break Bread, watch Break Bread.
00:37:03.000And if you're not a member of Rumble Premium where you get Break Bread as well as a load of other additions, The actual question is, from where does power derive?
00:37:47.000Nicole Ann Shanahan is an American attorney, entrepreneur and philanthropist.
00:37:52.000A philanthropist known for her work in legal technology and social advocacy.
00:37:56.000She's the founder and president of the Bayer Echo Foundation, which focuses on reproductive longevity and equality, criminal justice reform, and environmental sustainability.
00:38:04.000She supported Bobby Kennedy in his independent campaign for president, and her career spans legal innovation, philanthropy, and political engagement, reflecting her commitment to addressing complex societal changes.
00:38:16.000She recently became a Christian, of course.
00:38:19.000In the conversation, what I felt was most interesting is someone that comes from a kind of woke position, i.e.
00:38:26.000someone that was a Democrat, someone that lived in Silicon Valley, someone that was married to Serge Brin, I think is his name, one of the founders of Google, now sees wokeism as a real threat, totally has a pretty strong position when it comes to vaccines, and is now largely supportive of political movements that you would never imagine someone like that ever supporting.
00:38:45.000Also, she's come to Jesus Christ, so we obviously talked about that at some length.
00:39:13.000Let's just have a look at some of Nicole's greatest, but no, not really.
00:39:18.000If you imagine that level of production has gone into a show where I turn up in, frankly, my wife's dressing gown.
00:39:25.000Yeah, no, I swear I have one that looks like that.
00:39:28.000It's an incredible fabric, and if I ever get into merchandising, this is certainly the direction I'd be going in, sort of comfortable fabrics.
00:39:36.000Sometimes when I fantasize about Where creativity could take me, you know, with the endless opportunities that are available in merchandise, I think.
00:39:45.000Clothes made of this fabric, sometimes I think of clothes that I would wear all the time, but I wouldn't want it to look like an urgent and desperate thing, but just precisely like I was dressing for comfort, but not in conventional leisure wear.
00:39:58.000And like, where people are wondering, is that his wives?
00:40:02.000I do get asked, like sometimes, I go to a lot of like...
00:40:41.000Aren't you in a position where you wouldn't need to be involved in anything that causes you the kind of consternation and criticism that comes with political life?
00:40:51.000You know, I could not have imagined the consternation part of it.
00:40:58.000Because I'd been involved in politics with the Democratic Party as a donor, as a beloved donor, for quite a while.
00:41:07.000And then as a philanthropist, I now realize the stuff I was funding was in large part fraudulent.
00:41:41.000And so here I am on the internet last year around March as I make my political debut.
00:41:49.000And I'm really following these threads about Mackenzie Bezos and all of these other tech wives.
00:42:00.000A lot of them are ex-tech wives and they go on and take on philanthropy as their career.
00:42:08.000And I thought we were all doing good things for the world, helping out the needy and helping with balance and equity and helping lift people up.
00:42:21.000What is a typical cause that exemplifies the ideas that we would see like ex-tech wives philanthropy?
00:42:27.000What's the kind of an idea that you would have assumed was beneficial but in retrospect?
00:42:32.000Well, so Laureen Powell Jobs, her main focus was immigration for the last 10 years.
00:42:39.000She really wanted to focus on increasing immigration into the United States.
00:42:44.000I now realize she helped facilitate a lot of this illegal immigration and these poor policies around using American taxpayer dollars to incentivize undocumented to flood into our country.
00:42:58.000And then pay politicians to not enforce our border laws.
00:43:05.000But back then I thought, oh, well, she's just helping earnest, wonderful people find their way to the American dream legally.
00:43:14.000That's what my understanding was at the time.
00:43:17.000What I was really passionate about was criminal justice reform.
00:43:23.000So 10 years ago, I was looking at the data and all these organizations were coming to me and I was at Stanford at the time.
00:43:31.000And the narrative was that we had over-incarceration, which is true.
00:43:36.000We have a massive prison population in the United States.
00:43:40.000And then that the justice system was really unfair and I got pulled in.
00:43:47.000By someone who worked with Kamala Harris to effectively audit the San Francisco DA's office around whether or not policing was fair.
00:43:58.000And at the time, I really believed in this work.
00:44:02.000I really believed that all of these police officers were racist because that was the narrative at the time.
00:44:11.000And that we had to find a way as philanthropists and technologists to screen out any possibility of bias in our criminal justice system.
00:44:23.000And so all of these groups started to emerge, these nonprofits, and I funded many of them over a period of a decade, thinking that it was helping these communities.
00:44:36.000And now that I look back on some of this Funding that I was doing, I realized that there was something else that was happening in parallel.
00:44:46.000These alternative missions to kind of undermine security in the United States that were happening in parallel with this desire, this very good desire, I think, to have a fair justice system and to help our American communities through hardship.
00:45:09.000You know, I think that there is a problem with the liberal woman who is not aware of the fact that they're getting drawn into these manufactured culture wars that are designed in many ways to undermine our American communities.
00:45:29.000Yeah, those examples that you gave were really excellent, Nicole.
00:45:33.000And I was trying to think of my previous...
00:45:36.000Like perspective or position in the culture where I've been, you know, generally speaking, a liberal person or of the left and would have been kind of sympathetic to arguments that refugees or people that have been displaced as a result of commercial or military activity ought be granted.
00:45:57.000Refuge or sanctuary, that seems like a pretty reasonable idea.
00:46:01.000And also, if you're a person who listened to, for example, NWA in the 1980s, the idea that there's institutionalized racism is hardly anathema.
00:46:20.000Do you know when I started to question it myself was, I can't believe how...
00:46:27.000Recent and how lethargic that implies my thinking is that when during the pandemic I came to recognise that the idea that the authoritarianism was protectivism, when I'm prepared to think, these people aren't interested in protecting us, they don't care about us, I don't trust them, but...
00:46:51.000Then why would you believe that they're acting on behalf of vulnerable immigrants?
00:46:56.000What makes you think that these same interests that want to lock people in their homes, near mandate medications that are dubious, suddenly have an about face when it comes to subjects like Immigration or caring for vulnerable, vulnerable minority communities.
00:47:35.000It's like you feel like you have a purpose.
00:47:37.000And that it somehow fulfills a story arc in one's life of, well, you know, I ended up with all of these resources and it is my job to make sure that those resources go to help others, which is, I think, a very good and noble way of seeing the world.
00:47:52.000The problem is, is when there's bad actors.
00:47:57.000And the problem is, is when those bad actors start manufacturing narratives around, you know, I... I'm going to take as much.
00:48:41.000You were married to someone that's made a whole bunch of money and now there's a kind of causes.
00:48:47.000In a way, it's funny to think of powerful people with wealth, like you in this instance, being exploited or lied to or manipulated because you think I equate wealth with power, kind of, because it is a type of power.
00:49:43.000Because I remember how when I have had influence in some political or cultural matter, people are always telling me, you should say this, you should believe that.
00:49:52.000And I was like, why don't you get on and do your thing and tell people what you believe in and what you care about and what your issue is, rather than trying to get a spike in me and tell me what to think.
00:50:03.000Because we look at people sometimes from a perspective of utility.
00:50:07.000Like, even me in the back of my mind is, oh, like, well, Nicole was backing Bobby and that, and now Bobby's in government, and now what are you going to do?
00:50:31.000Because of the terrible things that happened there.
00:50:33.000On Washington DC and fixing a lot of the issues in DC and really, I mean, we were a razor thin edge away from totally falling into the crap hole that the UK has fallen into.
00:50:54.000It's really scary to see what's going on over there and it really is Like, two dual systems and it really is the washing away of cultural Great Britain.
00:51:08.000Oh man, it's so mad that some of the issues that you were invited to vocally support and which, you know, I'm not criticising you for that because obviously that's what you're expressing.
00:51:17.000You're like, oh man, I was trying to help.
00:51:20.000Like immigration and destabilising law enforcement, say, those now I... Kind of associate with globalism.
00:51:30.000I see those as part of the bewilderment project that is concomitant with globalism.
00:51:36.000In order to create a centralized global power that's unelected, you've got to bewilder people.
00:52:24.000I went to China because China was open and it was this land of opportunity in 2005 to 2008. I don't know if you visited China during that time, but it was fabulous.
00:52:40.000Bookstore I'd go to called the Bookworm, owned by a British woman.
00:52:44.000And that's where all the expats were hanging out.
00:52:54.000The idea that there was a kind of common acceptance that we weren't defined by tribalism, but by unity.
00:53:04.000Autonomy within that unity, autonomous elected groups and responsive and responsible institutions within those groups.
00:53:14.000Sounds sort of super exciting, but what globalism kind of became is invisible power inserting itself into every aspect of your life, in your pocket, in your private life, in your computer, in your phone, in your mind, in your home, telling you that it's only doing that to help you.
00:53:30.000Well, it turned into Klaus Schwab's version of globalism, which is a small group of people...
00:53:40.000Running the entire cultural and financial agenda of the planet.
00:53:49.000Globalization was supposed to be, like, cultures.
00:53:52.000You know, you'd be able to share cultures.
00:53:53.000You'd invite delegations from China here, and we would share with them our American culture.
00:53:58.000And, like, American students could go over to China and experience, like, all this ancient wisdom that's been preserved in Asia and China, or what made it through the Communist Revolution.
00:54:09.000But that was Deng Xiaoping's goal for China when he opened it.
00:54:14.000And then what happened was, I believe, if you remember, Klaus Schwab at Davos one year had Xi Jinping come and basically give the keynote, stating that China was now the new world power.
00:54:29.000Leading up to that moment, after Hu Jintao stepped down, I think that there was kind of a coup of all of China, led by Klaus Schwab and his affiliates.
00:54:40.000And China was going to be the mega power in the world, which is what it's trying to become through BRICS as well, which is intentionally designed to leave the United States out.
00:54:56.000And really this flipping of the narrative.
00:54:59.000Because the Chinese didn't always believe that they were a superior entity.
00:55:03.000And in fact, many Chinese still look to the West for cultural identity.
00:55:07.000Because you need a strong West for the Chinese to be who they are as a great nation.
00:55:13.000If there's a weak West, China just ends up being this grabby, acultural, uneventful, uninteresting place.
00:55:24.000We need a strong America to bring balance.
00:57:18.000Well, yeah, as much as I can make sense of it because you're much better informed on so many of these subjects than I am.
00:57:25.000Particularly when you're talking about the kind of polarized dynamics between emergent Chinese power and what I would up until recently regarding the atrophying power of a great nation like this one, the United States of America.
00:57:47.000Maybe I don't even understand anything that well.
00:57:50.000But what I'm particularly fascinated by, Nicole, when I hear you talk about having an interest in becoming politically involved in the state of California, presumably because of the social decline there, the poverty, the failure of many of their liberal policies, the general loathing of a figure like Gavin Newsom, like California's own Justin Trudeau,
00:58:17.000appears to have reached a kind of high pitch and high fever in this immediate aftermath appears to have reached a kind of high pitch and high fever in Emblematic events like that seem to bring to the forefront a kind of sense of disdain.
00:58:35.000And I imagine after you backed, and I feel like you're a significant part of the success of Bobby Kennedy's campaign when he was running independently, and I reckon that him joining the MAGA movement and ultimately becoming Secretary of and I reckon that him joining the MAGA movement and ultimately becoming like a sort of massive win for Maha, massive win for America.
00:58:59.000I wonder how you now are going to direct your endeavors and attention and time and you said towards California.
00:59:33.000You're like, I think it should be this.
00:59:34.000Well, yeah, because we were, I was like, you know, I called up our editor and I was like, hey, I have this idea for this, like, pharma commercial, but it's for TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, and then I, like, outlined it all.
01:00:21.000Anyway, so that's, that's this, I really believe that in a world of manufactured narratives, this construction of woke, which has overtaken Hollywood and has overtaken Los Angeles which has overtaken Hollywood and has overtaken Los Angeles and California and all major cities across the United States.
01:00:48.000It was created in Hollywood with the influence of Many different individuals, many of which are associated with the Democratic Party.
01:00:59.000Others potentially are influenced by WEF-style individuals, the World Economic Forum groups.
01:01:09.000And wokeism, or the woke mindset, was produced and delivered from Los Angeles.
01:01:18.000And now look at what's gone on in Los Angeles.
01:01:21.000It's literally more tar than you could ever imagine after the fire.
01:01:26.000So it's this, you know, this idea like we will only succeed in preserving Western civilization if our narratives are a parody of the manufactured narrative.
01:01:39.000We have to parody over these other Storylines that are so destructive to Western civilization.
01:01:51.000Humor has an incredibly important role to play in this.
01:01:54.000But also the creativity of the mind weaving together the culture that has made America.
01:02:01.000This idea that a British explorer from the UK, which is undergoing such seismic cultural shift right now, comes to America to discover this group of deplorables.
01:02:13.000Turns out to be the most fabulous group of people, most brave group of people on the planet right now fighting for liberty.
01:02:22.000You're going to do it like it's a National Geographic tribal missionary expedition with like almost someone in a pith helmet arriving on the shores of Los Angeles, well not Los Angeles if they're discovering MAGA, maybe Florida or Texas.
01:02:45.000You know, I was thinking that, just based on what I've heard, I've talked about this a bit, I suppose.
01:02:54.000Out of academia, through post-structuralism and forms of relativism, things that we have long assumed to be true, ideas like man and woman, that do have a spectrum within them and do have exceptions, no question, were now up for negotiation and up to be challenged.
01:03:15.000And from this sort of deconstructionist perspective, an idea like the family or the nation.
01:03:21.000Could be scrutinised and pulled apart.
01:03:24.000While some of it was unfolding, like, for example, statues being pulled down and things like that, and I could understand the fury and the rage, and plainly you could if you've supported initiatives to investigate the veracity and integrity of San Francisco Police Force was one cause you said you were involved in a long time ago before your personal political awakening.
01:04:00.000But actually, when you look at American, in particular, American history, because so much of it is so recent, and it's so obviously, therefore, kind of well documented, we can really sort of get a sense of what that struggle was, firstly.
01:04:44.000What I've found to be right interesting, Nicole, about the woke movement is it...
01:04:51.000Kind of, I was at least culturally observing political correctness from the 1980s onwards, where it seems in some ways that there was a need to look at how, like say in my country, black people or Pakistani people or women were spoken about in comedy.
01:05:08.000If you watch something from a little while ago, oh man, we've talked about this with American friends recently, in my country, the newspapers like The Sun and The Mirror, which were the best-selling newspaper, on page three, like you turn over the first page, It was a naked woman, every day.
01:05:22.000And it was like, never, like, you know, maybe they'd be wearing, like, under...
01:05:29.000But they were naked and some of these girls were like 16 years old and there were some cases where someone would be like 15 and they'd be lobbying, oh, when's she going to be allowed?
01:05:37.000It wasn't like the populace were lobbying to objectify young women.
01:05:41.000The media were objectifying young women because that was the trend then and that was the fashion and that was the favour and that was the tendency and people will respond to strong cues like naked bodies.
01:05:52.000These are pretty potent signals for people.
01:05:56.000At that point, political correctness was like, you can't objectify women like that.
01:06:00.000I don't think it's good for women, I don't think it's good for men, I don't think it's good for any of us.
01:06:03.000Maybe we should be looking at the kind of language we're using around Pakistani people and black people.
01:06:11.000I was going through adolescence, I guess, while that was happening.
01:06:14.000So I was coming into adulthood and thinking, that seems like a pretty sensible set of adjustments to make, even as a white person in a country that's not particularly difficult.
01:06:25.000Or at least not in the same way that America is, by racial dynamics.
01:06:30.000But what it's become, if you ask me, is hollowed out of all actual virtue and no real willingness to sacrifice or service or cost or consequence.
01:06:43.000And I suppose, to your point, that it centres around Hollywood, even though I would...
01:06:49.000I don't argue that it might have had roots elsewhere and certainly academia has played a part of undergirding it intellectually.
01:06:57.000It found its fulfillment for sure in the entertainment industry.
01:07:01.000And I suppose that might be in part, Nicole, because the entertainment industry don't have to back up.
01:07:05.000People can say a bunch of stuff and then don't have to back it up with action or cost or compromise or consequence.
01:07:10.000And it sounds like you might have gone through a real journey with that.
01:07:13.000See, when you're saying that about Klaus Schwab or the state of California, I reckon that you'd be the very type of person, attractive, biracial, wealthy, outspoken, mission-oriented, that they would be like, we've got to recruit this woman because she's going to fund us and advance our course.
01:07:35.000You, I feel like they're in serious trouble if they can't hang on to people that you would imagine would be at the apex of their constituency.
01:07:45.000Yeah, yeah, and brought a bunch of people with me.
01:07:47.000I mean, we brought all the Crunchy Moms, right?
01:07:50.000So the Crunchy Moms being the liberal.
01:07:56.000Yeah, the liberal women who, you know, look at ingredients on their makeup and are like, maybe I don't want to, you know, get all of the stuff that has toxic chemicals and smeared it all over my face.
01:08:11.000I mean, all of those women, a lot of them left the Democratic Party.
01:08:25.000And it's really interesting because, you know, in the heart of Silicon Valley, the moms at my daughter's preschool are coming up to me and they're like, we're voting for you, but, you know, shh.
01:08:37.000It was pretty amazing because these were, you know, women that, some of them work at Stanford, they're academics, they're lifetime, lifetime Democrats.
01:08:50.000To be able to come over and say, can I get a Kennedy hat?
01:08:54.000Do you think that party's finished, the Democrat Party, that it's kind of eviscerated and directionless?
01:09:01.000I was watching something on our show recently, like Kamala Harris talking to a Broadway...
01:09:05.000Well, they draw the line at Trump, though, a lot of them.
01:09:30.000And so I feel like I really serve as like a source of calm.
01:09:36.000And I do try to break down what some of these more dramatic actions Trump has taken, what they actually mean, how to put it, how to think about it in context.
01:09:48.000For example, this outroar over Elon Musk.
01:09:52.000I try to remind everyone that before Elon Musk, there was this woman named Megan Smith.
01:09:59.000Megan Smith helped launch Google X. It was their moonshot factory.
01:10:11.000She went on to run the United States Digital Service on behalf of the For the president, President Obama.
01:10:19.000And she started something, helped start something called 18F at the White House.
01:10:45.000It's extraordinary, isn't it, when you see something framed, particularly prior to the electoral success.
01:10:52.000So many, Cage is being an obvious example, so many stories were not unique to Trump.
01:11:01.000And sometimes I felt that both sides would...
01:11:03.000Probably feel squeamish about the sort of similarities.
01:11:10.000Like the example you've just given, even something like Doge, where people are sort of clutching their pearls and their cheeks simultaneously has a precedent in the Obama administration.
01:11:21.000No one would sort of care about that because they liked the packaging.
01:11:27.000They had a whole police data initiative where they had unelected People come in on contracts and just mine through whatever police data and records unredacted that they wanted.
01:12:43.000Fire mitigation and, you know, the geoengineering.
01:12:47.000A lot of the geoengineering stuff that foundations and Academia is involved in some of these projects.
01:12:56.000There are startups involved in the government funds.
01:12:59.000A lot of geoengineering right now in the United States.
01:13:02.000And a lot of it's happening along the California coastline.
01:13:07.000When you see how Bobby Kennedy is treated in media, let's say the kind of media that comes out of Hollywood and California, you know, say you seem sort of kind of ridiculed by Colbert and like the...
01:13:20.000Campaigns of vilification that accompanied his confirmation.
01:13:27.000And then the way that in general, President Trump is discussed in the same circles.
01:13:34.000Do you feel that if California, not the whole state, but obviously like Los Angeles in particular.
01:13:40.000Is defined by what happens there in terms of entertainment industry and media, is it fair to say?
01:13:46.000Do you feel that that, in addition to these obvious economic and infrastructural failings that you just listed, is something that should be addressed?
01:13:53.000Because it does seem odd to me that there is no centralised or blue-chip media that is sort of open or positive to what's happening in the world or in your country politically.
01:14:06.000Because one of the things that's been sort of very difficult for me...
01:14:09.000To help me have an understanding of what's going on politically.
01:14:14.000It was so significant when Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard joined the Trump campaign.
01:14:19.000And there was no one on CNN or CBS or NBC or NMSNBC that would go, this is actually pretty amazing because there's a political figure who's sort of more, you don't want to say left or liberal, because those words are all starting to be kind of tainted, but someone that's more anti-corporate and more anti-institutional and more willing to take on Big Pharma and more sort of environmentally tuned in in a way that matters, respectful and reverential.
01:14:43.000The law of nature, right in the heart of the MAGA movement, this story's got to be told.
01:14:47.000No one's going to tell that story, Nicole.
01:14:52.000So when talking about California and what's going on right there, and you said it's like...
01:14:59.000Jokingly, the Brea Tar Pits is the sort of incubation point for woke mind virus.
01:15:06.000So don't you reckon then that in part when assessing California's role in American culture, the West and wokeism, and sort of a reappraisal and change around the way media's behaving, we've seen Bezos go over, we've seen Zuckerberg go over.
01:15:21.000The money and the tech has magnetised predictably, I suppose, to Trump and to power.
01:15:26.000But media's still behaving in the kind of...
01:15:31.000I did see yesterday, did you ever follow Ezra Klein?
01:16:18.000The folks on the right, they're totally right to call this stuff out.
01:16:22.000But then he does this really strange cognitive jujitsu where he then comes back and says that, you know, but really it's the right.
01:16:33.000it's the right wing that um doesn't really have their own thought or their own voice and they're just these cogs that you know you plug the chip into and then they go along with the right wing eat it because he was trying to flip the meme around um that the right has always accused the left of which is that there are these you know those gray those gray cartoon figures do you see those ones the great cartoon figures the mpcs yes i you know
01:17:01.000i didn't really those those I'm still catching up on all of this.
01:17:05.000But they're like non-player characters.
01:17:08.000That when you're playing a computer game, which we try not to do anymore because otherwise I'd lose myself, that there are some characters that don't have a narrative or a life, that they're just being moved around in a herd, that they have no agency.
01:17:27.000And he was trying to spin around through this really intense intellectual jujitsu and he was like, actually, it's not the left that are the NPCs.
01:17:41.000Really hard, but he can't quite pull it off.
01:17:44.000And I think that that, you know, really goes to the point that the left right now is so lost.
01:17:51.000They readily admit that they're lost and they readily admit that they're struggling to find their identity and they're struggling to find their moral high ground.
01:17:59.000And my recommendation is to those individuals is I've been there and you have to actually leave the party and admit that you have to admit that the left has been hijacked.
01:18:11.000It's like a plane that got hijacked and you are a passenger on that plane and you must get off and pull your parachute immediately because the individuals that have hijacked that plane, they do not care about you.
01:18:23.000They do not care about this country and they do not really care about civility and it's time for you to get off.
01:18:30.000Yes, I guess that's something we're all going to be participating in for a while.
01:18:36.000It's encouraging people, hey, listen, because I still don't like to think of myself, gosh, I'm spending a lot of time in Florida, and I love being, do you know what I mostly like?
01:19:00.000So my point here is that people have been condemned mostly on the basis of sort of kind of class prejudice and a condemnation of the values that are actually integral to America.
01:19:08.000Like Christianity, a connection to the land, patriotism, decency, family life.
01:19:14.000There's no reason why those things mean that people that live differently ought to be maligned or condemned.
01:19:20.000But the fact is that the majority of people live in that way and to claim that it's because of a massive social project that has no veracity in its undergirding.
01:19:31.000It's a little bogus, things like Christianity and a nuclear family.
01:19:34.000But this is where, when I say about post-structuralism coming out of academia before he hits the culture, there's another family in real...
01:19:41.000And how white Christian nationalism is a bad thing.
01:19:57.000Variety of people and exciting new cultures.
01:19:59.000But you, like, as a point that's sort of pretty frequently made, that if you move into a country or a culture because you love it, there are certain aspects of that culture and country that you presumably revere and respect and ought to behave in accordance with that reverence when you arrive or participate in that culture.
01:20:16.000It doesn't seem like an unreasonable argument.
01:20:26.000I was married to Katie Perry when I was younger.
01:20:30.000Sometimes when people want to ask me about Katie Perry, I feel like, don't ask me about Katie Perry because that's an intimate thing from the past that I'm respectful of.
01:20:39.000But I do want to ask you this, but we could cut it if you didn't like it.
01:20:45.000When people talk about the power of...
01:21:17.000Like the idea that Mark Zuckerberg isn't some genius who came up with Facebook in his garage.
01:21:22.000Larry Page and Serge Brin having access to whatever technology is used for Google Maps is an indication that there must be some sort of back-channel relationships.
01:21:29.000That's how it was explained to be by Mike Benz.
01:21:37.000I don't know that I can put them all out there.
01:21:41.000You know, the remaining 15 minutes, I think it's a much larger conversation.
01:21:45.000But, you know, the fact that Stanford receives an enormous amount of money from the government for research grants is pretty well established.
01:21:55.000It's been like that for a while now, several decades.
01:22:02.000Stanford has always had, if you look at Stanford's board and Google's board, there's a lot of overlap.
01:22:12.000Yeah, and then if you look at those board members and various, you know, political relationship, there's a lot of overlap.
01:22:19.000And this is just how the United States has been for a while.
01:22:27.000Our academic institutions, which You know, have some of the best researchers on the planet, attract some of the greatest minds and PhDs.
01:22:47.000So I was an AI, young AI entrepreneur, young tech lawyer, developing a very early, very, at the time, very groundbreaking neural network, trained using, you know, deep learning methods.
01:23:03.000And it was really brilliant, actually, and built it and sold the company and was with Sorge at the time.
01:23:14.000As fantastic as I could have ever dreamed as a kid.
01:23:17.000I mean, this was hitting all of my life goals.
01:23:21.000Were you like 19 or 20 or something like that?
01:23:22.000You were young and you were at school.
01:23:24.000Well, at this point, I was already an attorney and I was asked to go back into becoming an academic fellow, which is like, you know, to be a fellow at Stanford University.
01:23:39.000All of the obligations of a professor.
01:23:41.000But you get to, like, you have that procedure to research.
01:23:45.000So, you know, I was on top of the world then.
01:23:48.000And I really thought that everything the university was doing, everything Google was doing, everything I was doing separately, was really for the benefit of humanity and for global peace and for global innovation.
01:24:02.000Like many people, the pandemic and my own experience raising a young child changed everything.
01:24:11.000Within the years 2020 and 2022, my entire reality was eviscerated.
01:24:20.000What I thought was reality was completely eviscerated.
01:24:26.000And I was seeing things that didn't make sense.
01:24:31.000I was experiencing things that didn't make sense.
01:24:34.000I was questioning my sanity constantly.
01:24:38.000And the powers that be in Silicon Valley and just the United States at that time really made me question.
01:24:51.000You know, my logic, my ability to form logical conclusions, because what was happening was illogical at that time.
01:24:59.000It wasn't the data and the narratives and the incredible speed at which everything was deployed globally.
01:25:09.000The misunderstanding about, you know...
01:25:15.000Like the food supply chain and like toilet paper and all of it.
01:25:20.000And I was seeing the data and I'm a data scientist and it wasn't lining up with these dramatic, draconian...
01:25:29.000These policies, these lockdown policies, but yet everyone around me was telling me like, this is what must be done and the fear and like, you know, the fear that I put on others because of the fear that I was told to have.
01:25:57.000I had totally lost my sense of self-trust.
01:26:01.000I couldn't trust myself because internally I was saying this is all wrong, but externally I was having to do all of the things as we all had to.
01:27:11.000That doesn't actually make sense, does it?
01:27:15.000It was a project of bewilderment, wasn't it?
01:27:18.000And it really kind of succeeded and worked.
01:27:21.000It detonated people's ability to remain connected.
01:27:26.000If you escalate the general levels of fear...
01:27:30.000You legitimise authority, and I think it's been powers probably always use those kind of dynamics.
01:27:36.000Maybe the real distinction is that we could observe in real time, hold on, this doesn't make sense, and then we could communicate that.
01:27:43.000They couldn't alienate and isolate people sufficiently, that people couldn't have personal epiphanies at whatever stage.
01:27:51.000There are some people that have, generally speaking, felt...
01:27:54.000At ease and comfortable with their relationships with power structures and those people probably remained in alignment.
01:27:59.000Like you said a minute ago, there will be people now to this day that you'll struggle to get them to come on over.
01:28:06.000All these people you've hated because you think they're chest-painting, tub-thumping, MAGA-supporting racists, they're probably not that.
01:28:15.000In fact, to the part of Florida where I spend a lot of time, you really get that sense of earthed people that are kind of not quite...
01:28:23.000in some intellectual cultural fantasy but very simple plain and practical values about freedom.
01:28:29.000Oh I know I mean Miami was the first place I came after I got my first shot because I had been watching from afar these people of Florida living freely for the last year.
01:28:43.000Florida was only really locked down for three months.
01:28:46.000In Silicon Valley, we were locked down for well over a year.
01:28:51.000The people that had the most data, the people that had the most information, the people that had in many ways the most...
01:28:56.000Power when it comes to communication and the ability to evaluate and assess truth were the people that clung on to what we have to sort of acknowledge now as a lie, even though there's not been a sufficient inquiry or reckoning, and there may yet be with Bobby being in the position that he's in.
01:29:09.000But those are the people that held on most tenaciously.
01:29:13.000It sounds like it really sort of obviously affected everyone, that's the nature of a pandemic, but it sort of personally and politically impacted you.
01:30:42.000You know, she's been handed a really hard...
01:30:49.000Why do you mention her autism and her autism diagnosis now?
01:30:54.000Why do I mention it now in this context?
01:30:56.000Because, you know, I think that a lot of my journey up until this point has been understanding the mechanisms by which psychology can be weaponized against really smart people.
01:31:16.000And my psychology around my daughter's diagnosis and my psychology during the pandemic were ones that were so intense.
01:31:29.000Because again, like, my daughter was totally healthy and then it's like, after her MMR, she suddenly started having all these problems.
01:31:46.000Even when I joined Bobby's campaign, it was almost impossible for me to talk about this story until then I had to qualify my experience against, it probably was about 4,000 stories in of similar ones of people coming up to me during the campaign.
01:32:04.000Looking through tears in their eyes and sharing their stories with me, that I started to trust that part of my instinct.
01:32:10.000That was like, it was, it was definitely the, right?
01:32:15.000And even today, I'm like, well, we still need to investigate it because I'm not like 100% certain.
01:33:08.000It broke down because I stopped trusting that voice that always served me.
01:33:14.000That's, like, the darkest thing, isn't it?
01:33:16.000And when I think of how, like, that particular political movement...
01:33:22.000Claims to be, among other things, the protector of the vulnerable, whether that's women and girls or ethnic minorities or refugees or whatever.
01:33:36.000that actually you see that part of what that movement does, by which I mean a movement that equates care with power and Control.
01:33:48.000Yeah, they sort of blur that line between care into control But what they're actually what that is on a personal or subjective Excuse me level is making people doubt themselves and making people overwhelm or ignore their motherly instinct Like that's not that's like evil Yeah, no the New York Times had an opinion article last year that said that motherly instinct is a myth created by men Oh
01:36:48.000But that's not as bad as the sex trafficking and the adopting to abuse.
01:36:51.000I mean, they were pretty dark, dark examples.
01:36:53.000But then what, you think there's an attack on nature, an attack on divinity and the sublime, and this has pushed you towards our Lord and Savior Jesus?
01:36:59.000Yeah, and then I started seeing, like, the decay of, like, saying that, like, children should never be sexualized.
01:37:05.000Like, that was, it was like, let's change definitions and then let's sexualize children because we're using different definitions now.
01:37:55.000But yeah, can you leave the kids out of it?
01:37:57.000Yeah, because when you actually think about it rationally for a moment...
01:38:00.000Whether you were dressing a child up to participate in a role play or dynamic that was heterosexual or homosexual or pansexual or whatever, that ain't right.
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