In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, the comedian and actor Russell Brand joins me to discuss the latest in the world of politics, including the latest nuclear threat from Russia and the Biden administration s attempt to delegitimize the 2020 Democratic primary campaign by portraying Joe Biden and his challenger, Kamala D. Kamala Booker, as a kind of family unit. We also talk about the dangers of the surveillance state, and Dennis Kucinich's call for a new strain of politics that challenges the old ways of doing politics and calls for the establishment to step back into the political centre ground. Stay Free with Russell Brand is available on all major podcasting platforms, including Apple Podcasts, Podchaser, and Stitcher, wherever you get your favourite podchips, and wherever you re listening to your favourite podcast. If you're not yet a member of the Awakened Wonder community, use the code ISRUMBLE and become an AWAKEDWONDER over on Locals, where you'll get access to all sorts of amazing shows, including The Daily Beast, The Huffington Post, The New York Times, and The Daily Wire, and much, much more. In this video, you'll be introduced to the show and given a sneak peek into what's in store for you in the coming weeks. In this episode, we'll be discussing: 1) 2) 3) 4) 5) 6) 7) 8) 9) 10) 11) 12) 13) 15) 16) 17) 18) 19) 21) 26) 27) 26 27 Intro Music by Ian Dorsch 30) Music by Jeffree Star 32) 35) 36) 37) 38) 39) 40) 41) 42) 45) 47) 44) 46) 45) 46) 47) 45 Theme Music by Fyjer Theme by Ian McElroy 45 Theme Song by Ian Somerhalbert 46 47 48) 49) 51) 56) Theme music by Ian Baddie 51 6 56 57) , Theme by , Theme song by , Music by & 6 Music by : )
00:01:36.000Meanwhile what the legacy media and the Biden administration are collectively offering us is the opportunity to regard them as a kind of family.
00:01:47.000There are three pieces of separate... I don't want to use the word propaganda because there are people involved in this propaganda that over the years I've admired, met, And, like, you know how it is, the culture's changed so quickly, so fast, so radically?
00:02:02.000Mind you, I don't know why I'd be protective after what's happened to me after the various attacks and stuff, but what I'm saying is, there's like, you'll see, we're invited to regard Joe Biden as a paternal figure.
00:02:32.000But after the first 15 minutes, We're leaving for a conversation with Dennis Kucinich, the American independent politician, and we're going to be talking about war, the escalation to war, the necessity for independent politics, for a new strain of politics.
00:02:47.000We're going to be talking about the surveillance state.
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00:04:37.000Now, this is in Russian, so you're gonna have to watch the, uh, you know, you're gonna watch the subtitles, of course, if you're listening to this, uh, elsewhere, because this show is available as a podcast every single day.
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00:04:53.000Then, I guess I'm just going to tell you, they're saying that they're going to bomb America, they're going to bomb France, and they're going to bomb the UK.
00:05:25.000Now, this is a significant piece of news for those of you that want to carry on being alive and not be blasted into ashes in an apocalyptic event.
00:05:35.000Russia are seriously considering destroying the world because they're sick and tired of the NATO-US imperialist threat.
00:05:43.000They're here, they are saying that plainly and clearly, and here it is in their own language.
00:05:48.000If NATO countries send their troops to Ukraine to cause Russia a strategic defeat,
00:05:55.000then the moment will come, which Putin once said, why do we need peace if there is no Russia in it?
00:06:03.000Then everything and everywhere will fly away from us.
00:06:22.000First they list the brand names of some of their artillery and then the news anchor explicitly says certain American sites are already in our crosshairs.
00:06:33.000At which point I start to think, well at the moment I don't live in the United States of America which is doubtless the epicentre of imperial power.
00:06:43.000Many of you will believe it's the greatest country in the world yet.
00:06:47.000Certainly the democratic experiment Or the Republican experiment.
00:06:51.000You know I don't care too much for those taxonomies.
00:06:53.000But the spirit of independence, the spirit of revolution, the spirit of independent freedom thrives there still, even though the Biden administration is trying to allay and subdue that under a fog of propaganda.
00:07:40.000What terrifies me about this is at the advent of this terrifying conflict and this escalation of hostilities, I, and I'm pretty far from an expert on geopolitical and military matters, said, hey, you don't treat Russia the same way as you would treat one of the Middle Eastern nations that there have been military industrial complex wars in the last 20 years because You know, Russia are a military superpower with a long successful military history.
00:08:11.000If we continue to threaten them and engage them in some purgatorial Afghanistan-style nightmare, using Ukraine as a vassal state to drain the resources of Russia in order To establish a unipolar power on behalf of the United States, but more specifically their globalist, corporatist interests that have clear alliances with NGOs and three-letter, four-letter nightmares like the WHO and NATO, you'll ultimately arrive at a point where Putin will say
00:09:01.000Their ability to convey shale gas to Germany is pivotal and fundamental to their entire economy.
00:09:06.000What's more likely is that Navy SEALs or maybe some deep state Ukrainian or other NATO nation, yet to be, NATO nation, will have enacted this crime.
00:09:18.000And remember, the Nord Stream Pipeline insurers won't pay out on that.
00:09:43.000So, what is most astonishing about the ongoing escalation of hostilities between NATO nations, Ukraine and Russia, is that you and me, people that haven't had the privilege of a Harvard education, people that don't have access to Pentagon files, people that aren't on the inside of the deep state military industrial complex machine, would say, If you keep provoking Russia, won't that lead to a nuclear war?
00:10:16.000Now does it astonish you, trouble you even, that you, as a subject or citizen or member of whatever nation you're watching this from, have literally no say?
00:10:52.000So wouldn't it have been a lot better, tell me how, tell me what I'm missing here, wouldn't
00:10:55.000it have been a lot better if the deal between Putin and Zelensky that was available a couple
00:11:01.000of years ago, before 600,000 Ukrainian lives were lost, before billions of dollars were
00:11:06.000spent, before numerous disasters, numerous cities, endless debris were incurred, that
00:11:13.000a diplomatic solution was on the table?
00:11:15.000No wonder they went into a meltdown and panic attack when Tucker Carlson spoke to Putin and we got to hear the information straight from the horse's mouth.
00:11:23.000We're not naive to think that there's no such thing as Russian propaganda.
00:11:28.000Of course there's such a thing as Russian propaganda.
00:11:31.000There's probably even such a thing as Russian agents.
00:11:34.000Lord alone knows there are CIA carve-outs that accuse me of being funded by Russia.
00:11:50.000But what isn't propaganda is that Russia are a military superpower.
00:11:56.000If you do not allow them to have their own trajectory, their own agenda, whether you agree with it or not, you are ultimately provoking a power that can wreak havoc.
00:12:10.000This is not one of those rollover nations that the military-industrial complex can keep the Czechs coming in by provoking a nation that can't respond.
00:12:21.000In your nation since the Vietnam War, this whole modality, this economic modality of the economy of war has been failing.
00:12:29.000Even those that have pointed out that this is the economic model under which the United States succeeds or flourishes, and I don't mean American people.
00:12:36.000I'm talking about Julian Assange, of course, who says the purpose of Afghanistan was not to end the conflict, it was to sustain the conflict, that way you can keep Funding the war, using public money, transferring it into private hands, keeping the whole racket going.
00:13:33.000So, whatever you think about that, the man himself there says it's not propaganda.
00:13:38.000I believe that we should use the collective might of our nations to bring about diplomatic solutions rather than exacerbate potential Armageddon.
00:14:28.000Well, how apposite it is then that there is a media narrative being spun now to invite us to regard the Biden administration as a kind of warped family.
00:14:39.000A little more Adams and Manson than mom and pop, but family nonetheless.
00:14:46.000Here's Howard Stern, a man who, I've got to say, was an innovator.
00:14:50.000in media. A brilliant, brilliant provocateur. But in this interview, it seems that he is pretty
00:14:58.000heavily dedicated to kind of ideologically fellating, ornamenting Joe Biden. Now it's
00:15:06.000semi-tragic, I would say, that Joe Biden is almost unable to respond to this.
00:15:12.000Joe Biden, even as he's being complimented, he's not able to sort of nod or smile or raise an eyebrow because as you know by now, and I take no joy in saying this, Joe Biden is extremely old and not only incapable of the extraordinary office of the world's most powerful person, but also he's struggling to receive a compliment.
00:15:36.000And you're the kind of leader I love because we're lucky to have you in the Oval Office and serving as the father of the country because if you're a good father to your family, which you are, I know you'd be a good father to the country.
00:15:48.000If you're a good father to your family...
00:15:50.000And I suppose by that he means, you know, he does go out of his way to get Hunter Biden work, it seems.
00:15:55.000He's willing, and I'm not making an allegation here, it seems like he's willing to use his connections to get Hunter Biden that Burisma gig, shall we say.
00:16:46.000This is the invitation for you to look at a failing administration as somehow a family.
00:16:51.000We ain't perfect, but we're trying our best.
00:16:54.000Your mom's your mom, your dad's your dad, and your grandpappy's your grandpappy.
00:16:59.000And what the hell if they're waging war and supporting war and lying and inflating the threat of a political opponent in order to prevent you having any alternatives?
00:17:25.000And I want to thank you for providing a calming influence, an organized administration post-COVID, getting that vaccine out.
00:17:33.000I remember what the world was like at that point, getting NATO.
00:17:37.000Getting us to feel comfortable standing up to Putin.
00:17:40.000The incredible large growth in the jobs.
00:17:45.000What is this bizarre eulogy stroke homily?
00:17:49.000And what is Joe Biden doing grasping the shaft of that mic stand like it's a cane or a defibrillator?
00:17:57.000And why is Howard Stern, this great orator, provocateur, brilliant innovator in media, essentially doing a live version of Michael Jackson's song, Ben, to Joe Biden?
00:19:45.000I don't even remember the last time that had to be addressed as a subject.
00:19:49.000Whether you are an atheist, a Muslim, a Christian or a Jew, who knows what words might be unravelled from within the great scriptures.
00:19:58.000But on a daily basis, I pray The conversation around people's right to love one another is not one that needs to be elevated to the forefront as if... Do you know what the great success is of the Biden administration?
00:20:51.000He's just sort of grabbing language from the sky at this point, isn't he, Joe Biden?
00:20:56.000This idea to regard Joe Biden as decent, that's a word that came up a lot in the White House press conference dinner, and I predict that decent And familial linguistics, language and nomenclature will play a big part of the presidential campaign.
00:21:11.000You'll be invited to look at familiarity as comfort.
00:21:38.000Let's have a look at how they've applied the same mentality.
00:21:44.000I'm speaking specifically now of Drew Barrymore, who, I would say, I just love Drew Barrymore, and she's a great person, but, and I reckon, look, I've been a Hollywood insider, and you don't sort of know one minute you're sort of on X Factor, you're doing these things, you don't realise, people are just, oh yeah, in fact, they don't know.
00:21:59.000I don't reckon That Drew Barrymore would have twigged, oh, you're being invited to apply a nickname to Kamala Harris that invites us to see her as a parental figure.
00:22:11.000I don't figure that it goes exactly like that.
00:22:37.000Now let's have a look at Drew Barrymore using the same technique to normalise, familiarise Kamala Harris, who seems to me to be somewhere between unusual and inept, to offer a succinct diagnosis.
00:22:52.000I've been thinking that we really all need a tremendous hug in the world right now.
00:22:57.000But in our country, we need you to be Mamala of the country.
00:23:17.000I want to see the good in everybody and I urge you to do the best in whatever way seems right to you to do the same.
00:23:23.000But it's extraordinary, isn't it, to see propaganda live, in action.
00:23:30.000Kamala Harris is a human being, she's a child of God, whatever language suits you.
00:23:35.000You know, the idea that Kamala Harris is going to wrap her arms around us and that Joe Biden is kind of like a father or a grandfather is reductive.
00:23:44.000That is not the political solution that's required.
00:23:48.000Looking at the extraordinary cluster of mega crises that need to be brilliantly navigated with radical systemic change.
00:23:55.000That requires radical new systemic thought.
00:23:59.000A new analysis of precisely the economic, ecological, ideological challenges that we're facing is not enough to invite you to be once more infantilised.
00:24:09.000And note how many times the invitation to become an infant is offered.
00:24:14.000You can't choose for yourself which content to look at.
00:24:17.000Why don't you let Daddy Joe and Mamala Harris put their arms around you and their hand over the screen and they'll decide what information to censor for you.
00:24:28.000You can't decide whether or not you should take a certain medication.
00:25:27.000That guy, the comedian, he just said that grandfather and then he mentioned Joe Biden and that's old and old.
00:25:32.000That could be derogatory because age is part of the process of moving towards the grave, a grave that we're all approaching because, you know, Joe Biden might be crazily steering us towards Armageddon, you know, like we could have a nuclear apocalypse.
00:25:44.000I mean, Russia have just explicitly stated they're considering nuclear attacks on the American mainland.
00:26:30.000Don't think about the escalating wars.
00:26:33.000Don't think about your own ontological despair, the decline in meaning, the loss, the atrophy of a once great nation.
00:26:41.000Don't think about why Donald Trump is in court for a minor legislative misdemeanor conflated, inflated and amplified into a felony in order to take the guy off the ride.
00:27:27.000He's awaiting extradition because he published information in conjunction with some of the media organizations that are in that room right now.
00:27:38.000Earlier at the White House press correspondent dinner, you heard the astonishing fact that over 100 journalists, maybe as many as 175 journalists, have died in Gaza.
00:27:48.000What was not mentioned is how they died, why they died, and who supplied the weaponry.
00:27:55.000Because if you were to outline that, the answer is very simple.
00:27:59.000It's that very decent, lovely old grandfather, sat right there, Joe Biden.
00:28:05.000And when you look at the levels of freedom throughout history and even around the world today, this is the
00:28:23.000And the journalists in this room help protect that freedom, and we cannot ever take that for granted.
00:28:32.000Even they, look at their faces, even they know that's not true.
00:28:36.000They can't even get it up for their own propaganda.
00:28:40.000They know that in your thousands you are turning away from legacy media, because like me you are awakening.
00:28:47.000Like me, you have understood their deception, their treachery and their lies.
00:28:50.000Even if you've worked in legacy media, even if you've enjoyed the artefacts of legacy media, the comedy shows, the movies, you're realising now, this is just an object, like a helmet of deception, forced over your skull to constrict your ability to think freely.
00:29:06.000The word freedom here, blithely, Dishonestly, deceptively used, when in fact propaganda, conditioning, deception, this is a panepticon of absolute deception.
00:29:19.000You're being constantly surveilled, you're being constantly lied to, you're being constantly
00:29:24.000censored and the information you're being fed by these people that you're invited to
00:29:28.000look at as your family is simply not true.
00:29:33.000So, Mr. President, I thank you for your decency on behalf of my grandfather.
00:29:43.000And I thank all of you, almost all of you, for your decency as well.
00:29:59.000Oh, Papi Joe Biden bombing us to Armageddon and a whole host of cousins inbred making out in the revolving door between the state to induce globalist deformity.
00:30:17.000Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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00:32:23.000Dennis Kucinich is coming up on the show.
00:32:26.000Now, if you're watching us on YouTube, we're not going to stream this interview there, because I want Dennis to be able to speak freely about his experiences as an insider, and how he's awakened now to the necessity for new and independent politics, about what he thinks about the escalating wars.
00:32:43.000So, hopefully the countdown's running now.
00:33:17.000Dennis, it's a great privilege to speak to you.
00:33:19.000You saw that our main story today was focused on the escalating threat of nuclear conflict I wonder, knowing what you do, about how Congress operates internally, about what contingency there is for nuclear war, how a lay person like myself could predict that escalating tension with Russia would lead to a standoff of this nature, and why we're being presented with this spectacle by an administration that seems to be framing itself in preparation for the November elections as a safe pair of hands.
00:33:56.000Yeah, I mean, we can't look at nationhood as where it is right now, which is a precondition for war and a run-up to an election.
00:34:09.000America has to take a different direction here.
00:34:13.000We have to realize that Russia is responding to a long series of events, beginning with NATO's encirclement program, the 2014 overthrow of the Ukrainian government, the missiles that are now being sent, the drones that are being sent towards Russia, The $61 billion that was just appropriated by Congress, most of which is going to the military in the U.S.
00:34:41.000to create arms to have war with Russia.
00:34:44.000So look, this dialectic of conflict we're in, Nuclear war isn't anything to mess with, obviously, but the fact that it's now in the discussion, whether it's from a TV person in Russia or not, has to wake people up that we're screwing around World War III and that we need to start pulling back and talking with each other instead of a war of words which could escalate into a nuclear exchange.
00:35:16.000How is it that the Biden administration are able to frame themselves as, and indeed not only the Biden administration, I actually would like to fold into this if I may, Dennis, the media establishment.
00:35:31.000Say, for example, if you take MSNBC anchors or, you know, Jen Psaki, When they speak about the current D.O.C.
00:35:46.000in the Democratic Party, in contrast to the Republican Party and under the auspices of a figure like Trump, what we've been invited to Except is that it's the grown-ups versus petulant, psychopathic, demagogic, 20th century style tyrants.
00:36:09.000But I'm beginning to think that if you are neutral, It would be safer to vote for Donald Trump than to vote for Joe Biden.
00:36:20.000That that administration is hell-bent on war.
00:36:23.000That if you're looking for a safe pair of hands, the often-declared small hands of Trump, Would be safer than the mad, arthritic, potentially red-button, intent finger of Joe Biden.
00:36:38.000Do you think that's a reasonable argument?
00:36:45.000Well, there's a couple different elements here based on what you just said.
00:36:49.000First of all, the media is typically a spear carrier for the government.
00:36:53.000It's only seldom that the media has taken on the government as it did during the Pentagon Papers era.
00:36:59.000What we have is a repetition of government propaganda that goes on.
00:37:03.000Now, with respect to the candidates that are in this race, I'm not taking the side of either candidate or any of the candidates.
00:37:11.000What I am saying is that we need to take a different approach as a nation.
00:37:17.000America needs to be a nation among nations, not a nation above nations.
00:37:21.000This idea that somehow the rest of the world died and left us in charge has to go out with the dodo bird, because we as a nation cannot afford this arms buildup.
00:37:34.00056% of our discretionary spending went for the military and is more than a trillion dollars, and add in the intelligence, so-called
00:38:20.000Are we naive to think that any occupant of an entrenching set of systems could deliver meaningful change while operating within a paradigm that seems to be restrictive by its nature and designed to prevent the kind of changes that are necessary?
00:38:37.000If there were a referendum On the $95 billion aid package that's just been granted to the collective interests of Ukraine, Israel, and some imagined and projected threat against China regarding Taiwan,
00:38:55.000If there was a referendum on that, I don't imagine that $95 billion bill would be passed with the effortlessness through which it's lubricated pathway through both the Senate and Congress.
00:39:07.000So what we have there is a disjunct between the establishment and the people that it governs that is distinct and maybe irreconcilable.
00:39:19.000So why are we not Discussing the possibility of referenda, decentralisation, the ability for ordinary people to... The arguments that are made, Dennis, around handguns by people that are anti-gun.
00:39:33.000They say, when the Bill of Rights and the right to bear arms was passed, you didn't have semi-automatics, you had muskets.
00:39:39.000Well, at the same time that the Constitution was designed.
00:39:44.000It wasn't possible for everybody to have immediate democracy and immediate referenda and representation through fully immersive technology.
00:39:53.000So why are we pretending we need this sort of rather croaking, corruptible and deeply corrupted model of democracy or representative republicanism or whatever people want to call it?
00:40:04.000Why are we pretending that there isn't a better way?
00:40:08.000Well, first of all, you're right, Russell.
00:40:13.000If the American people had a direct vote on whether to spend $95 billion more for wars against other countries at a time when real wages are going down and rents are going up, Going up, the cost of housing is going up, cost of child care, of food, every essential of life is going up.
00:40:31.000Inflation is taking a big chunk out of people's expendable budget.
00:40:36.000When you look at that, people of course they wouldn't vote for a war, but what happens?
00:40:41.000The Congress is captive and The Congress is supposed to vote the will of the people.
00:40:47.000That's what the whole idea of government of the people.
00:40:51.000And so that's why, today, people have to pay attention to what's happening in the congressional races.
00:40:58.000Because if a member of Congress is voting against your interests, and people have an obligation to start checking how their member's voting, then you're the one, the referendum then becomes in November, so you vote to replace that individual.
00:41:10.000So, you know, this whole idea about a democracy or republic, whatever anyone wants to call it, is a government of the people.
00:41:18.000It's a government of special interests.
00:41:20.000It's a government of the military-industrial complex, which really doesn't care if there's a war or not, as long as they keep on making it.
00:41:28.000But you can make more, as they're doing in Ukraine and in the Middle East, if you can keep the tensions going and you can create this dialectic of conflict.
00:41:40.000You know, I'm running as an independent because I know that this dichotomous thinking, which characterizes U.S.
00:41:51.000That there has to be a way to say, look, there's another way of looking at the world.
00:41:56.000And of course, the dichotomy doesn't even exist anymore because you have a unipolar government pretending that America is at the apex of the unipolar world.
00:42:05.000Yes, and it does seem that that is the determining factor in many of the conflicts we're describing, and of course you are running as an independent candidate for Ohio's 7th Congressional District, and you've just mentioned the significance of that position.
00:42:21.000Realistically though, when it comes to a bill like that that has just been passed, although there are notable exceptions that have spoken out against it, and I think 21 people in Congress voted against that bill, they were all Republicans, and in the Senate, Massey and of course Rand Paul spoke out against the bill, as well as the 702 surveillance bill.
00:42:43.000I just wonder, Dennis, when it comes to something as complex as the arming of nations that are involved in conflicts that a significant number of people don't agree with, how you are able to represent those interests and rather than just rhetorically airing them, actually ensure that those interests are served, which is, of course, the dynamic that we believe is in place, or at least that's explicitly what's supposed to be happening.
00:43:17.000No one believes that's what's happening.
00:43:19.000Well, the mythic dimensions of government over the people is that people have a say in what's going on.
00:43:24.000But keep this in mind, since 9-11, America has spent about, you know, we've increased the deficit to $34 trillion.
00:43:32.000$8 trillion of that is due specifically to the wars since 9-11.
00:43:37.000Now that's about, that equals about $97,000 per family of four in America.
00:44:04.000We're spending money for war, and that leads to a destructive undermining of our quality of life here in this country.
00:44:11.000This whole idea about guns and butter at the same time, don't kid yourself.
00:44:14.000I mean, more and more of our budget is going towards war.
00:44:18.000And, you know, you go back to Sparta or Athens, we are militarizing our society, militarizing our thought, militarizing our consciousness to the point of where everything, everywhere we go, we bring a hammer and everything we look at is a nail.
00:44:35.000This is fascinating, Dennis, and that's why I want you to come and join us now to hear the answer to this question.
00:44:40.000When the Iraq war was being augmented, designed, under the auspices of a lie, it was the hawkish Republicans that coalesced and drove us towards war and towards more surveillance and towards more censorship.
00:44:54.000And yet now the party of war is the Democratic Party.
00:45:04.000The congressional party, when the Democrats were in charge in the White House, the Democrats generally will be following the executive.
00:45:19.000The congressional Democrats will follow the executive.
00:45:21.000Same things happen when the Republicans are in charge.
00:45:24.000You have a Democratic president, the Republicans will resist.
00:45:28.000A Democratic president, the Democrats will go along.
00:45:32.000During 9-11, you had a Republican president, you had Democrats in Congress who went after that president, but my view, Russell, to get right into the nitty-gritty of that, a war which cost America anywhere between three and five trillion dollars, depending on who you talk to, a million Iraqi lives, 5,000 American men and women who served the country killed, all based on lies, Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
00:46:14.000...held an impeachment legislation towards President Bush and President Cheney for lying to the American people, but the people who lied, no consequences.
00:46:26.000The people who are lying to us now take us into wars around the world, no consequences.
00:46:31.000This is an example of what happens when government is out of the reach of the people, when government is not responsible, when the media simply parrots the government line.
00:46:40.000This is a dangerous moment in American history, and it really needs to take a different direction, and that's one of the reasons why I'm running as an Independent.
00:47:18.000And that's one of the reasons why I intend to go back to Washington with the support of the people, of course, of the 7th District.
00:47:25.000Dennis, isn't it exhausting to maintain a degree of enthusiasm and optimism knowing, as surely you must, that it is the infiltration of finance into the political realm that entirely dominates and controls outcomes?
00:47:43.000That as long as you have a Congress that represents donor interest, as long as you have a Congress Where there are lawmakers that invest in companies that benefit from war, or in the case of Nancy Pelosi, it appears that she has incredible insight when it comes to the fluctuations in the big tech market.
00:48:04.000As long as there is money in politics in the way that there currently is, Isn't it impossible and naive at best to imagine that we could actually implement the kind of changes that I think all of us recognize is necessary?
00:48:21.000Well, first of all, in my case, I've served in Congress for 16 years the first time, and I won most of my elections while being outspent by the opposition without taking any money from corporations at all.
00:48:37.000Since the advent of Buckley versus Vallejo and Citizens United, Supreme Court cases which essentially let corporations control the American political system, the ability to raise money over the internet has never been more important.
00:48:53.000I mean, that's how I rely on getting into office, when I'm taking on these interest groups.
00:49:00.000Kucinich.com is the website that people can go to, but what that does, that enables me to be free.
00:49:07.000Most members, when they get to Congress, they go to their respective party headquarters, they get a book about this thick, and that book then tells them all of the political action committees to call, And when they make that call, they're putting a hook into themselves.
00:49:19.000And sooner or later, the members are just filled with hooks and they can't represent their own district.
00:49:24.000So, you know, this this problem that you talk about is the most serious problem in our democracy.
00:49:29.000It enables interest groups to control the Congress.
00:49:32.000And, you know, one of the things that I've been able to do with the help of a lot of people is to be a free agent.
00:49:37.000So, you know, I can't be bought and I can't be bossed.
00:49:40.000And that puts me in a position of being able to make a difference.
00:49:43.000And one final thought, Russ, I'd like you to think about this.
00:49:46.000You know, I have a little cartoon I keep at my desk, and it's of a guy who is carrying a wheelbarrow full of hot coals as he saunters through one of the lower circles of hell.
00:50:02.000And you've got two of his bosses in a higher circle looking at him, walking through hell, pushing his wheelbarrow.
00:50:39.000But we have to embrace and embody principles of peace in our consciousness.
00:50:45.000And part of the problem, America's gripped right now by a false consciousness which says war is inevitable, and as a result, war becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
00:50:55.000We need to break that, and I intend to do that.
00:50:58.000Dennis, do you think that the emergence of Trump and of Bobby Kennedy latterly is an indication that there is an appetite for anti-establishment candidates?
00:51:12.000And do you think that in effect Trump is an independent that has marshaled the Republican Party around him, albeit libertarian or however you want to categorize Trump.
00:51:42.000Do you not think that, in a sense, the American people are really tired of the Uniparty and, in effect, that's what the Trump phenomena is about?
00:51:53.000Now, of course, you can and I'm sure you will quibble about Trump in office and whether or not Trump acted like an independent, whether that's in the pandemic or the way that he handled taxation or A lot of people now in the chat on Rumble will be saying, you know, no wars under Trump, plenty of wars under Biden.
00:52:12.000I just wonder, Dennis, if really until we start to look at either alliances that transgress the former categories or Real empowerment of ordinary people is difficult to penetrate what Mike Benz and others have called the blob, the set of interests that are so embedded that they can't really be affected by the kind of, you know, the kind of contained discourse.
00:52:46.000Russell, whether you call it the blob, the deep state, the permanent government, there is such a thing in Washington.
00:52:52.000You know, when I raised that issue years ago when Trump took office, I was working at Fox News for a while, and I saw what was going on where these interest groups inside the government were actually attacking not just Trump, they were attacking the presidency.
00:53:09.000You know, because the president of the United States, no matter who the president is, needs to be able to exercise an executive function, and there was an attempt to restrain him from anonymous sources.
00:53:19.000Now, can an independent, can a person who is independent of thought be elected president?
00:53:26.000Now, Trump's election came as a result of democratic failures on trade agreements, which didn't have workers' rights, human rights, or environmental equality principles.
00:53:36.000The deindustrialization of the Midwest accelerated because of those trade policies.
00:53:42.000I voted against China trade because I understood that when we send our jobs over there, what we're going to import are the values as well.
00:54:16.000They cannot be someone who's going to be pushed around by interest groups.
00:54:20.000Now, whether it's Donald Trump, Robert Kennedy, or if Biden suddenly expresses, President Biden expresses a new quality of independence, that remains to be seen.
00:54:32.000But the American people, I think, are very concerned that our leadership is moving away from the things that really matter to Americans.
00:54:40.000Freedom, certainly, but economic freedom.
00:54:43.000You can't have political freedom if you don't have economic freedom.
00:54:46.000Do you sometimes sense with the escalating surveillance and censorship that is being legitimised, legislated for and introduced globally, but particularly in your country, there's a sense that something very powerful is fermenting?
00:55:02.000The reason that various pillars of the establishment are creaking and grinding and working so hard to impose banal bureaucratic forms of tyranny is because they sense that there is something quite profound and spiritual burgeoning and waiting to erupt.
00:55:24.000Oh, I think absolutely that's happening.
00:55:26.000When you look at the effort of of government, let's say in America, we'll talk about here,
00:55:33.000to in passing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendments to enable
00:55:40.000government to spy on more and more Americans, reach even deeply into Americans' private lives,
00:55:45.000where government doesn't belong, frankly.
00:55:48.000To vitiate our Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure.
00:56:12.000Freedom means get government out of my life and the things that matter to me personally and privately.
00:56:18.000And so, you know, when you have the FBI having all of these FISA searches, millions of searches of Americans where they're Unwarranted searches start to proliferate.
00:56:30.000This assault on sensibility, it's an assault on our Constitution, and it's something that I think Americans are sick of.
00:56:38.000And, you know, basically, government's going to be redefined here.
00:56:41.000And as American government gets redefined, so the world is going to be looking at that.
00:56:46.000There is an interchangeability here between America's status and the status of other countries as well.
00:56:51.000People look towards America, and the changes that are happening in America, What's happening on campus, for example, could provoke some revisiting of some of these very issues that we're talking about.
00:57:02.000On campus, I suppose what you're talking about is the kind of pivot when it comes to the subject of free speech because pro-Palestinian marches are being censored and reviled by interests that were formerly supportive of free speech in a broader context.
00:57:19.000That's something that we can discuss in a moment when we go over to locals with our awakened wonder Community will also be asking you, Dennis, with your permission, because on this channel we're all about conviviality and collegiate conversation.
00:57:32.000Firegirl2020's question pertains to this.
00:57:37.000Dennis, she says, because I happen to know her, she's a member of our AwakendWonder community and a cyber friend.
00:57:42.000Dennis was once cancelled for admitting to a UFO sighting.
00:57:46.000What does he think of recent UFO disclosures by the Pentagon?
00:58:14.000All of this we will discuss with our Awakened Wonder community, as well as I'm very interested in your views on spirituality as a recent convert to the Christian faith and a recently baptized man.
00:58:26.000So, Dennis, will you stay with us for another 10 minutes or so of conversation, please, sir?
00:58:40.000We're posting a link right now in the chat.
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