Stay Free - Russel Brand - “We Can’t Have A Discussion!” Greg Gutfeld On Tucker Carlson, War & Fox News - Stay Free #283

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00:02:29.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:02:31.000 Thank you for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:02:34.000 A very special show because we've got Greg Gutfield, the gut, the Feldman, joining us today.

00:02:40.000 It's a fantastic conversation you're going to love.

00:02:42.000 But before that, have you noticed that Donald Trump gets out of a car with a great deal of confidence?

00:02:47.000 Do you want to hear Donald Trump's views on Wuhan?

00:02:50.000 And do you want to hear a little more from Rand Paul on Fauci before you get Lost in the process of obfuscation and deception that this House subcommittee that provides, even though they've already admitted that six feet was arbitrary.

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00:03:52.000 Now let's have a look at Donald Trump.

00:03:54.000 Getting out of a vehicle with incredible enthusiasm.

00:03:59.000 USA!

00:04:03.000 USA! USA! USA!

00:04:06.000 My hero!

00:04:08.000 Yes! Yes!

00:04:10.000 So thank you sir!

00:04:12.000 Very enthusiastic and optimistic as he departs from that vehicle.

00:04:16.000 But will he ever be making the journey back to the White House?

00:04:20.000 He did, as he always does, to compete with the GOP primary debates, one of those town hall things.

00:04:27.000 And this time he talked about Wuhan.

00:04:30.000 It's really interesting to watch Trump unpack pandemic information, because I remember at the time he was pretty proud of Operation Warp Speed, wasn't he?

00:04:38.000 Let me know what you think about that in the chat.

00:04:40.000 Also, uh, he was participating, obviously, as President of the United States in many of the measures made then, but it is something of, uh, I suppose that is due to Trump's rhetorical and communicative brilliance that somehow he sounds like a person who from the beginning has known that that thing come out of a lab.

00:04:56.000 Listen to this.

00:04:58.000 When we had just prior to the China virus coming in if you don't mind I'd like to be accurate as opposed to Covid it is the China virus.

00:05:06.000 He took a lot of heat for that China stuff but now he's like he should always never have been even criticized for that is what he's basically saying.

00:05:14.000 Came out of Wuhan.

00:05:15.000 And I said a long time ago in your show, it came out of Wuhan.

00:05:19.000 They were saying it came out of caves, bat caves, 2,000 miles away.

00:05:22.000 It came out of caves, bat caves, bat man, Riddler. 0.75

00:05:25.000 Out of Italy, it came out of France.

00:05:26.000 No, it came out of Wuhan, the labs.

00:05:28.000 Labs.

00:05:29.000 And I don't, and by the way, I don't think it was done, I think it was done out of incompetence.

00:05:35.000 I believe that.

00:05:35.000 That's what I think.

00:05:37.000 He enjoys this theory and then develops it too much.

00:05:41.000 A scientist went out, said hello to his girlfriend, and that was the end of that.

00:05:44.000 She died.

00:05:46.000 Oh, it's my girlfriend out there.

00:05:48.000 Pop out, say hello to her.

00:05:49.000 Oh, no, she's dead.

00:05:51.000 Oh, this is world.

00:05:52.000 Jesus Christ.

00:05:53.000 Hey, have you guys been down the wet market lately?

00:05:55.000 The place stinks.

00:05:56.000 And then people started dying all over the place.

00:05:59.000 But who knows?

00:06:00.000 I can tell you one thing.

00:06:00.000 Who knows?

00:06:01.000 I got along with President Xi.

00:06:04.000 He always drops things like that, doesn't he?

00:06:05.000 About how he gets on with various leaders, like Rocket Man, Putin.

00:06:11.000 He's always sort of saying that they're alright people.

00:06:13.000 It's interesting.

00:06:14.000 Why do you do that?

00:06:15.000 I suppose because you want the general feeling that these people are peers and people that you can have diplomatic relationships with.

00:06:21.000 Obviously, as well, he's about to go on and say he imposed draconian, hard-arse measures on Xi, unlike Biden, who's in his thrall.

00:06:28.000 And it's difficult to deny that now, when you see Biden's son marching in and out of Congressional hearings at will.

00:06:34.000 But I took in four hundred billion dollars in tariffs and taxes from China and one of the reasons China's... It's funny that people cheer tariff. 0.96

00:06:44.000 Yes! 0.98

00:06:44.000 That was a damn good tariff. 0.98

00:06:47.000 Not doing so well today is because of those tariffs. 0.96

00:06:50.000 And Biden wants to cut them.

00:06:52.000 You know, he got paid off by China after all, so he wants to help the people that gave him a lot of money.

00:06:56.000 But he, you know, Part of Trump's rhetorical brilliance

00:06:59.000 is that it's such a sort of stream and storm of information.

00:07:02.000 Biden is corrupt, I've been calling it the China virus for ages, I impose these tariffs, they won't impose tariffs.

00:07:09.000 It's sort of like when you watch other politicians talking, like when you watch Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley communicates, oh god this is so dry.

00:07:16.000 Or if you've been on the show, dear Rhonda Sannis, good job in Florida, good job.

00:07:21.000 Or when you watch Biden as well, like when Biden and Jill Biden doing their New Year's Eve chat on that big screen in Times Square, you think, I like this bloke who's just casually slinging facts about stories and doing impressions.

00:07:35.000 He's a Manchurian candidate, in a true sense.

00:07:37.000 He got money from China, he got money from Russia.

00:07:40.000 You remember the debate where Chris Wallace, how was he doing, I wonder, but Chris Wallace, when I said to Biden, I asked him a question, I said, how come you got $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow's wife?

00:07:53.000 And Chris Wallace wouldn't let me ask me, I said, why are you stopping this?

00:07:56.000 Now it's turned out to be a big deal.

00:07:57.000 He got $3.5 million from the mayor of Moscow's wife.

00:08:01.000 I tell you this, we're going to have a success that's so great that I won't have, hopefully, I won't have time for retribution.

00:08:08.000 There won't be retribution, there'll be success.

00:08:12.000 In a way, Trump's personal and political success, as we said yesterday, means that politics itself has taken on a different timbre, a different tone, different vocabulary, different style.

00:08:23.000 Political figures all now are post-Trump political figures.

00:08:26.000 You've got Vivek, who sort of talks in that kind of hustler, millennial way.

00:08:32.000 You've got now primary debates where people are turning on one another.

00:08:35.000 You've got figures like RFK, who a couple of years ago, you just thought, oh no, RFK, the forbidden Kennedy.

00:08:41.000 Let me know in the chat what you think it is.

00:08:43.000 One, did Trump change politics?

00:08:44.000 Two, was he the first beneficiary of a new modern world?

00:08:46.000 campaign. Trump has changed politics or either he's changed it or he's the first

00:08:51.000 beneficiary. Let me know in the chat what you think it is.

00:08:53.000 One, did Trump change politics? Two, was he the first beneficiary of a new

00:08:58.000 modern world? Let me know. Another significant figure is of course Rand Paul,

00:09:02.000 one of the only people who for a long time now had questions about Fauci that

00:09:07.000 needed to be asked.

00:09:09.000 Let's have a look at him continuing to make valid points about Anthony Fauci, points that are unlikely to be made in that subcommittee.

00:09:16.000 But the one thing that's consistent about Anthony Fauci is what he says in private is largely true.

00:09:21.000 What he says in public is largely a lie.

00:09:24.000 When asked about the masks by a fellow co-worker, Sylvia Burwell, he told her the truth.

00:09:29.000 He said the masks don't work because the pores are bigger than the virus.

00:09:32.000 Their own study revealed that about the influenza virus.

00:09:34.000 But then in public, he wears three masks.

00:09:35.000 In private, he tells his colleagues, you don't really need to wear one.

00:09:38.000 It's the same with immunity.

00:09:40.000 It's the same with the vaccines.

00:09:42.000 And it's really the same with gain of function.

00:09:43.000 In private, he said, yes, we're suspicious that the virus was manipulated, looks manipulated, and we know they're doing gain of function in Wuhan.

00:09:52.000 He describes it.

00:09:53.000 That's in a private email.

00:09:54.000 In public, to this day, he still denies that they funded any gain of research, gain of function research in Wuhan.

00:10:00.000 It's all an entire lie.

00:10:02.000 Elsewhere, we're analysing that House Committee story in some detail.

00:10:06.000 It's on Rumble, available, and now the foxiest of foxes, the wiliest member of The Five, Greg Gutfeld, is joining us for an exclusive conversation.

00:10:17.000 He's on The Five at 5pm ET, Eastern Time, excuse me, on weekdays, and Gutfeld is on at 10pm.

00:10:23.000 It's being said in this way, I think, Gutfeld.

00:10:25.000 Like that, isn't it?

00:10:25.000 Gutfeld!

00:10:26.000 It's chirpy.

00:10:26.000 It's orange.

00:10:27.000 It's chirpy.

00:10:27.000 It's cheerful.

00:10:28.000 You can see Gutfeld at 10 p.m.

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00:10:54.000 I'm very excited to be here.

00:10:54.000 My pleasure.

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00:10:59.000 Now, please enjoy the conversation between Greg Gutfeld and myself.

00:11:02.000 Thank you.

00:11:03.000 Greg, hey, thanks for joining us.

00:11:06.000 My pleasure.

00:11:07.000 It's, I'm very excited to be here.

00:11:09.000 I love you, Russell.

00:11:10.000 Even though we've had a checkered past, I've always loved you.

00:11:14.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:11:15.000 We are, in a sense, I would say, very much the Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor of the world of punditry, shall we say.

00:11:27.000 I remember the first time I was aware of you, you were saying, I knew this guy when I lived in the UK, I liked him then, and now he's become... 1.00

00:11:34.000 An asshole, I think. 1.00

00:11:36.000 Or an ass, at least. 1.00

00:11:37.000 And like, I was like, oh, what's going on? 0.99

00:11:40.000 But actually, do you think, what does this indicate?

00:11:42.000 Has the culture changed?

00:11:44.000 Because I suppose you would have once been, given that I first saw you on Fox News, associated with, you know, we all know what we associate Fox News with.

00:11:51.000 Is it libertarianism?

00:11:52.000 Is it populism?

00:11:53.000 Is it conservatism?

00:11:54.000 Is it sort of like right-wing Christianity?

00:11:56.000 There's a sort of a whole That's a good question.

00:11:58.000 of ideas around Fox News and then like um and I was a sort of uh exiled from Hollywood uh bratish

00:12:06.000 show-off or you know online so um and yet somehow we found ourselves agreeing about a lot of issues.

00:12:13.000 What do you think's changed in the culture Greg to for us to have found this alliance?

00:12:18.000 That's a good question. I I mean I feel like I was always an oddball in any employment I was

00:12:28.000 I mean, I was the editor of Men's Health and I was smoking and drinking.

00:12:32.000 When I was at Maxim, I was engaging in mostly homoerotic humor to subvert the audience. 0.91

00:12:41.000 And at Fox, I wasn't like the other anchors.

00:12:44.000 And I was, I, I was always interested in you.

00:12:47.000 I always found you interesting, and I knew there was something there that I identified with, and I think that's why I was so frustrated. 0.97

00:12:55.000 I can't even remember why I was shitting on you. 0.75

00:13:01.000 I can't remember why, but this is the flaw of doing 24-hour cable news. 0.96

00:13:06.000 I probably saw a clip, and I needed to fill a bucket, And so I used that clip and then I go, this guy, who knows what you were talking about.

00:13:15.000 You probably don't even remember.

00:13:16.000 I don't remember, but that's what we did.

00:13:19.000 And then you see it, you go, wow, why is this guy doing it? 0.91

00:13:22.000 And then you came back and then you, you said I had a face like an anus and which I, in some ways is realistic. 0.98

00:13:31.000 We, you know, there's an orifice. 0.96

00:13:33.000 That's everyone's face, Greg.

00:13:35.000 That's not unique to you. 0.99

00:13:36.000 You don't look like an anus. 0.97

00:13:37.000 And I'd like to take this opportunity to unreservedly apologize to you for being rude. 0.98

00:13:42.000 And I think what the videos were, it was when Bill O'Reilly was the most prominent Fox News voice.

00:13:48.000 And I used to, I think, do little videos commenting on Bill O'Reilly's content.

00:13:53.000 But Also, the same way that I've always done with, let's call them Fox-style pundits, over time and while watching them, developing a kind of affection, because I'm old enough to recall that when a family would contain people that were of the left and of the right, and that wouldn't be cause for actual hatred and condemnation.

00:14:17.000 You wouldn't refer to people who had different political views as a basket of deplorables.

00:14:22.000 You wouldn't say that half of the population shouldn't be allowed to vote or should be debugged.

00:14:27.000 You wouldn't escalate a kind of a populist demagogue to the sort of heights of a 20th century military dictator.

00:14:35.000 Everything has become more incendiary, more conflagratory, I would say.

00:14:42.000 So it's like then, even 10 years ago, when we were first communicating, albeit through aggressive hit pieces on one another, the world was Less filled with invective and something has become concentrated and amplified, Greg, hasn't it?

00:15:00.000 Yeah, you know what it is?

00:15:01.000 I mean, you could trace it back to the phrase political correctness, because that used to be a positive attribute in the sense that I'm morally superior to you and you have to reach this point, but then I keep getting higher and then that turned into Well, the political became so personal, and you were supposed to keep it separate.

00:15:21.000 Like when you talk about family gatherings, you could have Bill O'Reilly as your uncle, and I could be your nephew, and it didn't really matter, and you would sit at the table, and your Uncle Bill would spout about immigrants, and you would be whatever, and then you would move on to sports.

00:15:38.000 But in this case, now everything is a moral judgment, I can't sit at the same table with that person.

00:15:44.000 And then that escalated to, this person is evil and I have to cut that person out of my life.

00:15:52.000 And I think that's kind of what we're seeing now, especially in this hyper woke thing.

00:15:58.000 It's like, we cannot have a discussion, period.

00:16:02.000 And in fact, the discussion lends itself to oppression.

00:16:06.000 Just merely questioning something is an attack.

00:16:11.000 But the response, I think there's a really positive thing going on.

00:16:16.000 The response of mockery and humor is taking that away because even Bill Maher noticed it.

00:16:23.000 They're no longer funny because of this moral hysteria.

00:16:28.000 And so all of their targets now, it's flipped.

00:16:32.000 It's now like the radicals are, I wouldn't say on the right, but libertarian, free thinking, Yeah.

00:16:42.000 Illiberal.

00:16:43.000 Maybe that's it.

00:16:44.000 Well, there's a few phrases that I think are useful around here.

00:16:44.000 I don't know.

00:16:48.000 I heard the brilliant comedian Duncan Trussell say once, people have gone from woo to cue.

00:16:54.000 Like people that were previously kind of into meditation and psychedelics have become very anti-establishment now.

00:17:03.000 There's this entirely new demographic.

00:17:05.000 And the other aspect of this is this I would say it's a media construct and potentially a movement with academia.

00:17:21.000 Certainly that would be the analysis of people who know more than me like Jordan Peterson or Weinstein or whatever.

00:17:32.000 At least when it comes to the political and media class of this sort of neo-liberal, let's call it woke again just for simplicity's sake, it doesn't seem that authentic.

00:17:42.000 What I question is how much they actually do care about the rights of people with different types of sexual identity or how much they actually do care about different races, cultural groups, It doesn't make sense because ultimately I think we all know that these kind of apparently neoliberal but self-regarding leftist thinkers and orators are ultimately undergirded by the same financial and corporate interests

00:18:10.000 As everybody else.

00:18:10.000 It's still the military-industrial complex.

00:18:13.000 It's still big pharma. 0.51

00:18:14.000 So whenever you see... That's why it becomes deeply hypocritical in times of war and health crisis.

00:18:18.000 Because ultimately they will advocate for the interests of the pharmaceutical companies when in a health crisis, notably and obviously the pandemic.

00:18:25.000 In a war, all of the peace and love language sort of melts away and is replaced by the kind of patriotic language that totally would have belonged to the Republicans in the Iraq war period.

00:18:38.000 your Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld language of like, you know, it's not patriotic to talk like that.

00:18:43.000 You're going to allow Putin, Putin will be marching on NATO countries. Like you say,

00:18:48.000 Greg, everything has flipped. And the part of the reason it's flipped is because there was no

00:18:51.000 moral, certain moral values there in the bloody first place.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, you know, it's interesting to see, like, Ukraine's the best example, I think of this,

00:19:04.000 is to see people that were so anti-war, accuse you of not being a patriot.

00:19:10.000 it.

00:19:11.000 If you aren't supporting Ukraine and it's like it's not even our country.

00:19:16.000 I always look over there and see that it's a fight among relatives.

00:19:20.000 These are these are countries very and we're and we somehow I think the United States is almost like a next door neighbor or a relative that's egging it on and and for our own reasons for the for to like.

00:19:32.000 Yeah.

00:19:32.000 was I can't remember who it was, the Secretary of State saying like,

00:19:36.000 the good news is we're getting billions of dollars into our country.

00:19:40.000 And he was talking about the upside of war is that we make profits off war.

00:19:46.000 No one really has ever said that out loud.

00:19:48.000 And I think he, I don't even know if he acts, if he even, Anthony, what's his, Blinken.

00:19:53.000 I don't even know.

00:19:54.000 Yeah, I don't even know if he knew that he said it at the time, but he says,

00:19:58.000 hey, we're doing great off this.

00:20:00.000 Why are you guys complaining?

00:20:02.000 Well, there's 500,000 people dead, but I want to touch on something you said, and this is going to be a generalization, but I don't care.

00:20:10.000 I do think the reason why it's, to me, it's inauthentic is I do think, and maybe this is like a Jordan Peterson-y thing, kind of, but there's an empty hole.

00:20:20.000 When you see a lot of, The really strident voices.

00:20:24.000 There is something missing in their lives and they fill that bucket up with this kind of purpose, which really isn't a purpose.

00:20:37.000 It's just where they place their emotional meaning for attention, so they get the attention For whatever screaming they're doing, and I think at the end of the day, they're not really happy people.

00:20:56.000 They haven't found peace in their lives, in their family life, and it might not even be their fault.

00:21:03.000 It could be our society has created a weird environment where some people can't find meaning anymore and are lost.

00:21:14.000 And so they put it in these, well, the false idols of politics.

00:21:17.000 I mean, politics becomes their religion.

00:21:20.000 But the only problem with their religion is that there's no forgiveness.

00:21:24.000 So that's like the woke-ism.

00:21:27.000 Is a religion without forgiveness. 0.95

00:21:29.000 If you violate the original sin of oppression, your ancestors are guilty. 0.78

00:21:37.000 Whether it's Jews or it's whites in the United States, there's no forgiveness. 0.99

00:21:43.000 So you constantly have to take on the role of oppressor.

00:21:47.000 It is a religion without confession or without forgiveness. 0.98

00:21:52.000 But I think people treat it as a religion until maybe I hope that like there's so many young people that are into this kind of phase and I can't help but think it's it's filling up something in their lives that isn't being uh filled by other things and I think it's also I think it's relationships I think a lot of these people do not have relationships in their lives people they can talk to because like a friend a friend would tell you

00:22:22.000 You know, Greg, you shouldn't be sticking, you shouldn't be gluing your hands to a painting, or you shouldn't, why are you blocking traffic of people who are trying to get to work?

00:22:30.000 Friends would actually say that to you, but it seems like that's missing in people's lives. 0.99

00:22:35.000 You need somebody to tell you you're being an idiot, even though they say, I admire the cause, but you know that in Gaza, they don't care if you're blocking traffic. 0.99

00:22:47.000 I have some thoughts on that, as you might imagine, Greg. 0.99

00:22:50.000 Just because I don't know anything about a subject, that doesn't mean I won't have an opinion on it.

00:22:54.000 And I think it's a kind of natural end point to obsessive individualism, the kind of culturally immersive narcissism that, of course, by its nature, we must all fall to a degree prey to.

00:23:06.000 And I would say that part of my own journey is my own wrestling with That kind of locked-in solipsism, as if you're wearing an Oculus or some VR helmet, where you're just obsessed continually with self.

00:23:22.000 If a culture stripped of God, stripped of community, stripped of patriotism, stripped of failure, of a family, offers you only as the only sort of the optimal experience is self-fulfillment, Fulfill your own sexual identity, your own gender identity, your own cultural or racial identity.

00:23:40.000 These are all beautiful and noble ideas.

00:23:41.000 People's sexuality is beautiful.

00:23:42.000 People's culture is beautiful.

00:23:44.000 I always take recourse to ethnographics and anthropology and think, well, how did we live for tens of thousands or possibly hundreds of thousands of years?

00:23:52.000 Small groups of a hundred or two hundred people that You know, would have interacted with other tribal groups, perhaps through trade, perhaps sometimes through warfare.

00:24:02.000 But there's nothing in our evolution that has prepared us to be confronted with a variety of cultures and being told that that culture is adverse to us.

00:24:10.000 This is something that was written about extensively, notably by Edward Said, who in his book, what was that called?

00:24:17.000 Orientalism, pointed out how the West was condemnatory of like eastern culture and the post-ottoman

00:24:24.000 empire islamic culture that we assumed that our cultural trajectory was better and he as a sort of

00:24:29.000 a muslim living in the west said well there's different perspectives we're not allowing people to

00:24:34.000 have a different perspective on reality we've reached the point now where people are happy to say

00:24:39.000 there's no such thing as god that that that that that that that ration the the ration to sort of mangle

00:24:45.000 cs Lewis, the rationalism that we use to posit that there can be no God is itself evolved from a godless set of meaningless processes.

00:24:59.000 A set of random processes led to a consciousness that is able to ascertain that there is no meaning and no purpose in the world.

00:25:07.000 And I think that when you live in a world where all that matters is the fulfilment of your own desires, the avoidance of your own fears, you end up with these odd cultural movements and artefacts which, as you say, take on the practices, aesthetics and appearance of a religion.

00:25:26.000 Zeal, evangelism, certainty, but without the important valves and checks that are embedded in religions to ensure that we don't regard one's individual identity as the summit and apex of all potential experience.

00:25:43.000 All of us are temporal expressions of something greater, and that can be used to mobilize people to fight for a nation.

00:25:52.000 That can be used to turn people into racists.

00:25:56.000 That can be used for a whole variety of things.

00:25:58.000 But what it could be better utilised for is our life should be dedicated to service, and when inevitably, because of biology and because of cultural conditioning, we start thinking the only thing that matters is what Russell wants, this is a time to start employing some principles to get myself out of that illusion.

00:26:15.000 But no one will do that now, because galvanised I agree.

00:26:19.000 evangelical, awakened people are a threat to the globalist establishment elites that

00:26:23.000 are able to implement their goals and agenda because of this disparate and atomized population.

00:26:30.000 That's my theory, Greg Gutfeld.

00:26:32.000 I agree.

00:26:33.000 I would say that I would, younger, when I was younger, I was guilty of this same thinking

00:26:39.000 for two points.

00:26:42.000 One, when I was like 15 or 16, my identity was like a band.

00:26:50.000 I would sit and I would just write The Clash on everything that I owned.

00:26:55.000 I was a Clash fan.

00:27:01.000 I needed an identity because I didn't feel I had one.

00:27:04.000 And then I became a punk rocker.

00:27:06.000 I clinged on to things That as almost like as identity markers.

00:27:12.000 And you can kind of see that now, because you can see it as a contagion, at least in the United States, where young women, they were doing studies where they now identify as non-binary, and it's like doubling every year. 0.99

00:27:26.000 And it becomes like a costume because they are rejecting whatever was there before.

00:27:34.000 There's a theory from G.K.

00:27:39.000 Chesterton, I think it's called The Fence, Uh, theory.

00:27:42.000 It's like don't tear down a fence until you know why it was there in the first place.

00:27:47.000 And I think what we're seeing with this kind of regressive progressivism is we're tearing down all these fences without ever understanding why they were necessary.

00:27:57.000 So it was easy as a 17 year old to make fun of religion.

00:28:01.000 To make fun of your relatives or any kind of traditional stuff was a joke.

00:28:07.000 What was I replacing it with?

00:28:10.000 I was too young.

00:28:13.000 I didn't have any wisdom, but I had the ability to denigrate things that were there before.

00:28:19.000 And of course, everything before was imperfect.

00:28:22.000 We know that the United States was a melting pot, but it also had racist elements to it.

00:28:27.000 Obviously, a legacy of slavery.

00:28:30.000 But the melting pot is way superior to this potpourri of identities.

00:28:37.000 The melting pot was about people who were different coming together and cooperating and communicating.

00:28:46.000 Now we have this thing where, no, you can't have a melting pot.

00:28:50.000 We have to be separate.

00:28:52.000 And the idea of cooperation and assimilation means that you're giving in to the oppressor.

00:29:00.000 Like, even trusting somebody who's trying to help you is seen as oppression.

00:29:06.000 I mean, that is a new thing that I'm seeing. 0.72

00:29:10.000 Like, you know, you can't trust a white person because they're white. 0.78

00:29:15.000 And it's like, you do realize that, you know, white people, like anybody else, are here to help.

00:29:20.000 Generally, it's hard to find anybody.

00:29:24.000 I mean, most people just want to help.

00:29:27.000 But we're saying that that's not There's an underlying oppression going on.

00:29:33.000 And that's dividing us.

00:29:34.000 And I think the melting pot idea is under threat.

00:29:38.000 And it kind of scares me, because that's the only thing that really holds us together, is the idea of communication, cooperation, the idea of helping others.

00:29:47.000 And what you were talking about, too, is kind of like The most dangerous thing is one's ego, feeding that ego.

00:29:57.000 And I mean, I was one of those people.

00:30:00.000 And the moment you let go of that, it's probably the most freeing thing anybody can do in their lives, is to let go of that ego and look outward.

00:30:11.000 And all of a sudden, these identity markers kind of float away.

00:30:15.000 And you suddenly see that everybody is basically in the same boat.

00:30:20.000 And that's a, that's a good thing.

00:30:22.000 And then the next step is service, being able to help people.

00:30:26.000 I sound very new agey, but it's kind of like, it's not new agey.

00:30:30.000 It's the, it's just kind of what we had before, but I don't know.

00:30:35.000 I'll stop.

00:30:36.000 Yes, Greg.

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00:34:22.000 Okay, let's get back into the story.

00:34:25.000 Now Greg, pivot slightly.

00:34:28.000 One of the sort of great cultural moments of the last few years, which I think has shown us how legacy media and independent media are rubbing against one another And affecting one another has been Tucker Carlson's departure from the Fox network and his establishment of his own news network, or his own channel certainly, and his own relationship with X and social media.

00:34:56.000 As a person that works within Fox, I saw and we talked about the bit, and that's when I called you in fact Greg, When you said about like, you know, I have two words for you, Tucker Carlson, you know, like when, you know, like the corporate interests will censor voices that are anti-war or anti-pharma or, you know, like antithetical to their interests.

00:35:17.000 Tell me now what you think Tucker Carlson's time at Fox exemplifies and what his departure from Fox means without getting yourself in trouble because I realize you've got a job.

00:35:28.000 Yeah.

00:35:29.000 What I was referring to, and it's common knowledge and he's talked about it, is that galvanizing advertisers against you over time is meant to destroy you.

00:35:43.000 It's meant to censor you.

00:35:44.000 And I think that there was This was building and building and it was, you know, Media Matters and other groups had targeted him.

00:35:53.000 And that's where I said, like, you know, I think when I was talking about two words, I was talking about that's what happened to Tucker.

00:35:59.000 Over time, you know, they just wore it down and for him to survive and everybody who is, I would say, interesting, Has a an original point of view for them to survive.

00:36:18.000 It has to be untethered from advertising.

00:36:21.000 It has to be because advertisers are now the sensors and they're not they're not they're not brave.

00:36:30.000 I think this goes back to what we were talking about, this kind of the woke-ism.

00:36:34.000 They embraced the woke-ism kind of as a Trojan horse to protect themselves from their profit-making, their rent-seeking.

00:36:42.000 They can point to the fact that, look, we have DEI, we have equity hires, we're good, we have these special days in our company.

00:36:52.000 But meanwhile, they're doing exactly what a corporation does, which is the bottom line, to grow.

00:36:58.000 Their influence and their power.

00:37:00.000 I think, and I think Tucker has said this, so it's not just my opinion.

00:37:07.000 It wasn't about Fox.

00:37:09.000 Fox never told him what he couldn't say.

00:37:13.000 But you could tell from the advertising and the pressure on him that that was, in my opinion, The leading pressure on on his exit but I don't have proof that they you know there was a meeting I just like he to this day still doesn't know and but I do think that like Fox never told him he couldn't say anything no one's ever told me I can't say anything for example when I said his name people thought oh my god oh my god I never

00:37:42.000 They were like, whatever, that's what you can do.

00:37:45.000 That's why we have you here.

00:37:47.000 And I think I made it clear that it was more about this pressure from advertisers.

00:37:52.000 And I knew this in magazines, you know, that advertisers hate The customer, which is so strange.

00:38:01.000 They really hate the customer. 1.00

00:38:03.000 They think you're stupid. 1.00

00:38:05.000 They don't want to be near the editorial that the customer likes because somehow we're Neanderthals. 1.00

00:38:13.000 And that was true in when I was at Maxim.

00:38:15.000 It was true when I was at Men's Health.

00:38:17.000 The stuff that sold the magazine Advertisers hated.

00:38:21.000 So you ended up with magazines like GQ or Esquire, which nobody read, but were this thick, filled with advertising, because that's what it was.

00:38:30.000 And I think you see that in broadcasting, that those with the most advertising tend to have the emptiest editorial.

00:38:39.000 There's no perspective.

00:38:41.000 There's nothing that like interests you.

00:38:43.000 And once you get interesting or you dare to get outside this circle, then it flips on you and then they come after you.

00:38:52.000 And I think that's why, so Russell, Tucker going and creating his own network, what you are doing on Rumble, what Dave Rubin is doing, what Joe Rogan is doing, what the Weinsteins are doing, that's like creating this whole new world where people can go and create their own thing, get their own subscriber base and make a living in a career without having to think about upsetting a soap company, you know, or a shoe company.

00:39:22.000 Meanwhile, the shoe company is having shoes made by, you know, 12 year olds, but they're lecturing you on diversity and equity, but who's making their, their shoes, you know, or drug companies.

00:39:37.000 You know, the drug companies, you know, why are they advertising?

00:39:41.000 They're advertising to exert some kind of pressure.

00:39:44.000 Sometimes it's weird.

00:39:45.000 I don't know if you see these drug companies.

00:39:48.000 It's focusing on like one drug that like nobody has ever heard of or used, but they're still advertising.

00:39:55.000 Do you ever notice that?

00:39:56.000 Like some of these drugs, you're like, are there really a lot of schizophrenics?

00:40:00.000 Like, you know, I mean, don't do a drug for like a very specific kind.

00:40:04.000 I'm like going, are they, is a schizophrenic watching this show and going, ah, I don't know if that's the case.

00:40:11.000 I just think it's there as a presence to say, hey, we're here.

00:40:18.000 We're here just a reminder, you know?

00:40:22.000 Yeah, it's extraordinary the way those models must function for there to be a constant ambient presence.

00:40:30.000 I understand the cable news is, and I'll check the figure at some point, is 70% funded by Pfizer, not even Big Pharma.

00:40:37.000 Pfizer specifically funds, I believe, 70% of cable news.

00:40:41.000 And we're all familiar with that package where it's like sponsored by Pfizer.

00:40:44.000 And you see that sort of Anderson Cooper and like a variety of shows that are sort of covered.

00:40:49.000 And yes, you're right that their pressure can't be the sort of just the bespoke amplification

00:40:54.000 of a certain product.

00:40:55.000 It's not telling a marketplace, hey, if your skin is schizophrenic, 0.64

00:40:59.000 this is available for you.

00:41:01.000 You know, that's no longer about utility.

00:41:04.000 It's become somehow more immersive than that.

00:41:06.000 We were just doing a piece on Google buying up real estate and creating company towns now, a project that's been tried before with Disney and, curiously, chocolate companies.

00:41:17.000 The power of the corporation is becoming deeply immersive.

00:41:20.000 Greg, within that, you touched upon something while talking about Tucker and talking about the relationship between advertisers and broadcasters, which is fundamentally the dynamic that is shifting with the emergence of independent media, that I think is significant, that both the marketing class and the professional journalist class, I might say, hate ordinary people.

00:41:40.000 They hate their audience.

00:41:42.000 And I feel this antipathy, and I spoke to Greenwald about it, that other great GG in the public space, Glenn Greenwald.

00:41:49.000 And he said that, you know, that the establishment now is no longer sort of masking its disdain for ordinary people.

00:41:57.000 That they sense that through media control, through censorship laws, through increasing authoritarianism justified by crisis, they don't need to be like a Rockefeller tossing dollar bills out of a passing limo to maintain some plutocrat mystique and affability with ordinary people.

00:42:16.000 Now they're just like we are going to have so much power you know after the next set of wars or the next pandemic or whatever the next thing's going to be that legitimizes more authoritarianism that there's no need for to maintain good public relations.

00:42:30.000 I think too that You know, as a person that's been, like, with what's happened to me recently and sort of over the past few years, as you sort of gently migrate out of, like, oh, you know, like, you know, like, there comes a point where I feel, oh, I ain't going on those talk shows no more.

00:42:45.000 I'm not going, I'm not gonna be doing movies anymore.

00:42:49.000 And like you gain, I gained in confidence and started to criticise war, started to criticise pharma, started to attack more and more, recognising I have direct access to an audience.

00:42:59.000 And one of the things I've noticed, having been the subject to incredible attacks and what seemed to me to be a kawaii, coordinated media attack, where separate media companies explicitly work together over several years to Generate anonymized complaints and allegations and then there was a sort of a global two-week period where like it was very very concentrated and it seemed to me at least very deliberate to like to be able to observe oh wow there's a point where they will just attack you and shut you down that there is that there's an attempt to do that and one of the things I also have noticed is that the media is not the public.

00:43:38.000 That's one of the things they're terrified of, is that they can create this sort of layer of hate and bombast and attack, and then you go out and everyone's like, Hey, how's it going?

00:43:50.000 Like people like that's not, yeah, it's not, they don't have the control that they once had.

00:43:54.000 And I think that's what's terrifying them.

00:43:57.000 You could be in a news cycle for 48 hours.

00:44:00.000 And in your brain think, I can't go outside.

00:44:04.000 And then you go outside, and maybe you might casually mention it to somebody, and they have no idea what you're talking about.

00:44:04.000 Yeah.

00:44:11.000 Like, don't, I will say something on the five, and it will explode, and then I, and then, you know, my people at work will be like, oh my god, you see what's, and then, but if you go anywhere, nobody knows what you're talking about.

00:44:24.000 Think about what happened to you, but think about I hate to use the word weaponization because it's overused, but the weaponization of wokeism has become journalism.

00:44:34.000 So it's like, so-and-so said this, so-and-so did this in the past becomes investigative journalism.

00:44:42.000 Whereas before, like you had the Woodwards and the Bernsteins. 0.65

00:44:46.000 There are a few people now, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, Michael Schellenberger.

00:44:51.000 These are guys that are actually doing real journalism.

00:44:53.000 But they're being ignored by the conventional mainstream media, which has decided that the weaponized woke angle, so-and-so said this about immigration, ergo racist, or any, pick any, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and that, and it's such an easy story to write.

00:45:15.000 It's like, you can, you can take a dartboard, Or actually you could take a grid and on one side you can go climate, economics, politics, fashion, food, comedy, and then on this other grid you could have race, racism, homophobia, feminism, and then you could throw a dart.

00:45:35.000 And this is what journalists do and they find a cross-section clothing, is transphobic and they had that story for that day and then they'll go they'll do a little search they'll find some stuff and then they write it they don't have to call anybody they don't have to do any like they don't have to be like a reporter and go out and actually talk to somebody with a notebook this is now what journalism has become and so what happens is how does that end up being

00:46:04.000 Dangerous.

00:46:05.000 They focus it not on just like people like you, but just regular people, the people they hate.

00:46:10.000 So if somebody on Twitter, some nobody, a plumber decides he's pro-Trump, Then somebody will pick up that tweet, go, does American plumbing supply realize that Joe Stevens actually said, make America great again, and they CC the company.

00:46:30.000 And then that guy gets swarmed or this bakery had a, you know, a menorah.

00:46:36.000 They were like, they, they like focus on these things.

00:46:36.000 I don't know.

00:46:39.000 And then they, what they do is they amplify it.

00:46:42.000 And so, The regular people that they despise learns never to touch that stove again.

00:46:49.000 And that's the self censorship.

00:46:51.000 And I'm just going to go back to my life.

00:46:53.000 Why did I go online?

00:46:55.000 Why did I say that?

00:46:56.000 I'm just going to shut up.

00:46:57.000 So the media has become an engine of censorship on behalf of whoever They're working for.

00:47:07.000 And also it becomes their work too.

00:47:10.000 They feel like when they get a scalp, it's actually enriching to them.

00:47:14.000 There are a lot like the Daily Beast.

00:47:19.000 These are companies where they That's all they do all day, is they watch TV, or they watch podcasts, and then they clip, and they put it out there, and they act as though that is journalism.

00:47:31.000 And media analysis is a form of journalism, but at least you should do the work.

00:47:38.000 It's not just clipping, but it's weaponized wokeism to shut people up.

00:47:45.000 And it's disguised, however, as journalism when it's not.

00:47:50.000 I heard the phrase vendetta journalism recently applied to I think it might have been the case between the the royal family and the tabloids of 10 years ago or so in my country here and it's also clear that You know, you sort of talked about Bernstein and Woodward, that there's very little journalism where, for example, you can watch the reporting in the pandemic, the propaganda that accompanied the advent and release of the vaccines, the censorship around legitimate questions, the shaming of people from whatever community.

00:48:28.000 Because there are no values at the core of it, You have to watch them adjust as they go.

00:48:33.000 Oh, people aren't taking vaccines.

00:48:34.000 Those people are not participating.

00:48:36.000 Those people don't care about society.

00:48:38.000 Then the information comes out.

00:48:39.000 It's a high incidence of African Americans that won't take it. 1.00

00:48:43.000 Uh, shit. 1.00

00:48:44.000 Oh, no. 1.00

00:48:44.000 Okay. 1.00

00:48:45.000 How are we going to pivot?

00:48:46.000 This doesn't make sense.

00:48:48.000 you know, like, you know, various conflicts around the world that don't align entirely

00:48:52.000 with this sort of odd, sort of ultra-anti-nature. This, I guess, what part of it is, part of this

00:49:00.000 kind of curious death cult that's built, which is not a new thing, apocaly... you know, in a,

00:49:05.000 you know, what is an apocalyptic, like, apocalyptic preaching? The end is nigh,

00:49:10.000 the world is coming to an end, the end is nigh.

00:49:12.000 That is a sort of a pretty common trope, certainly in the last couple of thousand years.

00:49:17.000 Indeed, one could argue that even within, you know, Christianity has the apocalypse, the rapture, or many religions appear to have this sort of end time as part of their, you know, part of the paradigm.

00:49:29.000 But when there is, like, all of those things tend to point, A journey of self-evaluation, a recognition that the pursuit of animalism and animal desires cannot of itself form your way of life.

00:49:46.000 And I would say that that is precisely at the core of modern neoliberalism.

00:49:51.000 The fulfillment of your desires, the avoidance of your fears and the potential to be threatened is your raison d'etre.

00:49:58.000 That is what it is.

00:49:59.000 You are worth it if you want to Be this type of person, you should be that type of person.

00:50:03.000 And these are things that I can easily agree to with a wave of a hand.

00:50:07.000 Of course, I agree with individual liberty, whether it's the issues that define the right or the issues that define the left, because I agree with individual liberty.

00:50:16.000 But I don't think that that is the apex of the human experience, because I've tried it.

00:50:20.000 That's why, because I've tried it.

00:50:22.000 I've tried.

00:50:23.000 Drink as much as you can, take as many drugs as you can, sleep with as many people who want to sleep with you as possible.

00:50:28.000 I've tried these things.

00:50:30.000 And indeed, when part of the message becomes, these things won't work for you, find a higher purpose, knowing that you will never be able to live it perfectly because you are still subject to the same kind of shackles that any human being is, that's when you start to become a threat.

00:50:48.000 Yeah, and not to get too... Well, I've noticed when people go through that journey and come out of it, they're much less judgmental politically, and they're more resistant to getting involved in this prison of two ideas, whether it's about climate or Any kind of like issue where you think there are two sides and you have to get into one pocket or this one and that's it.

00:51:26.000 For some, you know, it's kind of a superpower.

00:51:29.000 I've noticed, like I noticed this with Tucker, I noticed it with you and there are other people, it's kind of like the floating above this or to the outside of it and can see, What this is, what this actually is, which is a diversion from actually solving the bigger problem.

00:51:53.000 And I mean, I was in that prison of two ideas.

00:51:56.000 A good example would be you're talking about apocalypse, the apocalyptic ideologies, like Climate change, because of the apocalyptic warnings, created the prison of two ideas.

00:52:13.000 I was on the other side, that this was all bogus and a hoax.

00:52:17.000 But that's not necessarily the best place to be, because you should care about the environment.

00:52:23.000 You should worry about these things.

00:52:25.000 There is evidence that there are changes going on.

00:52:29.000 But I got into my prison because the other prison was so apocalyptic.

00:52:34.000 I couldn't buy into these people telling me that I can no longer use this or that because we're all going to die in 12 years, in 15 years.

00:52:43.000 So those apocalyptic visions create or predictions create this kind of opposite side and it It's like the death of progress.

00:52:56.000 That's why I kind of like, like RFK has said some things that sounded apocalyptic, but I think he's changed.

00:53:04.000 I think that when I listen to him, he's a true environmentalist without being reliant on climate, on like, inaccurate climate models.

00:53:14.000 He just talks about the stuff that he knows, that he's been through, you know, he's been, you know, from the beginning and environmental.

00:53:21.000 He's somebody I can listen to and he listens to me.

00:53:25.000 I mean, he listens to people like me.

00:53:27.000 He doesn't brand me.

00:53:28.000 Like there were people that used to say that if you were skeptic, if you were a climate skeptic, remember that you would use that phrase, a climate skeptic, You should be imprisoned.

00:53:38.000 Or a climate denier, which would put you in the same realm as a Holocaust denier.

00:53:43.000 Those were the phrases they used, and that would just create a complete negative reaction.

00:53:49.000 But I think now we're getting to a place where I mean, there's a healthy meeting of the minds, where on the right, people are talking about the environment seriously, and on the left, there are people, hopefully, saying, you're right.

00:54:06.000 These climate models have been wrong, but there's still something going on here.

00:54:11.000 But I think that that's that, you know, that has always been the problem.

00:54:14.000 But the superpower is stepping out of that.

00:54:17.000 And I think that's what you were getting at.

00:54:19.000 It's like you somehow got out of that and you can look down at it or look, I don't want to say down at it, but look at it from a side and see how wasteful this prison is, this prison of two ideas is.

00:54:35.000 Yes, and there's a lot of things I'd love to respond to.

00:54:38.000 One is like where you said that there was sort of an attempt to criminalise climate denying and there was an attempt to criminalise not taking the vaccine.

00:54:49.000 There are ongoing attempts to criminalise Uh, speech, you know, through the ideas of hate speech.

00:54:55.000 In some territories, these are extremely amorphous and oddly util laws.

00:54:59.000 Like in Ireland, if they suspect you have hate speech material on your phone, the police will be able to come into your house and take your devices.

00:55:07.000 That's authoritarianism.

00:55:09.000 Now, whether it's, you know, vaccines, in the event that vaccines were stopping transmission and were effective, of course, the strong advocacy for those medications would be legitimate.

00:55:21.000 But what one starts to see is the reason behind the reason they're giving you.

00:55:27.000 They might be giving you, we have to do something to protect the planet.

00:55:30.000 And as you say, that is not a partisan issue, whether or not we love the Earth that we live on.

00:55:37.000 If you are the most MAGA cap wearing, let's shoot some deer and some ducks and some go crazy honey. You love the

00:55:46.000 planet or if you are a vegan Birkenstock wearing individual you'd still love the

00:55:52.000 planet. The idea of this being politicized and partisan is extraordinary and

00:55:57.000 what's happening because I think of the quick response time and rapid

00:56:03.000 reaction of independent In real time, you're starting to see people say, hold on a minute, this Ukrainian war, it doesn't make sense because in 2014 there was a coup and NATO did renege on certainly verbal deals

00:56:17.000 Between the Soviet Union and US or in climate change.

00:56:19.000 How come all of these laws are penalizing ordinary people and seem designed to create 15-minute cities and restrictions on people's movement?

00:56:28.000 How come these vaccines seem to be tied to ID cards and being able to like to normalize the idea the vaccinated should be unvaccinated should be shamed.

00:56:36.000 They shouldn't be allowed into hospitals.

00:56:37.000 They should be in prison.

00:56:38.000 They shouldn't get treatment.

00:56:40.000 They should like they're starting to normalize the criminalization of sections of the population.

00:56:45.000 You marry that to the idea But the MAGA movement, which at the last election was pretty near 50% one side or the other of the entire electorate, was like a criminalized class or a demonized class.

00:56:58.000 You're starting to use the kind of language that we all like, you know, which was reprehensible in my view around like, you know, all these people are all terrorists when talking about like entire nations of people.

00:57:10.000 You're seeing it applied to domestic classes.

00:57:12.000 Now, that's not a coincidence because we now know that agencies that were dedicated to legitimizing the pursuit of certain foreign interests that didn't go well, for example, in Iraq, are now turned in on domestic populations.

00:57:27.000 That's not just in your country, but in mine.

00:57:29.000 There are units, like Counter-Terror became Counter-Covid.

00:57:33.000 This is stuff we've done content on.

00:57:35.000 It's observable.

00:57:36.000 So if you can criminalise an entire population, of course you have to increase authoritarianism.

00:57:43.000 And that's the goal.

00:57:44.000 So I guess one of my questions, as well as whatever responses you want to have, is what kind of tyranny and dictatorship do you most fear?

00:57:51.000 The populism of Trump, which legacy media are spending a lot of time, we called it Dictator Month, like it was Shark Week.

00:57:58.000 Every CNN or MSNBC show is Trump's good like Mussolini, Trump's like Mao.

00:58:02.000 Or is it a kind of more technological dictatorship?

00:58:06.000 A kind of technocratic cadre of an aristocratic class that are telling you this is the reason we have to control you.

00:58:14.000 This is the reason you have to take these medications.

00:58:16.000 This is the reason you have to stay in your house.

00:58:18.000 What form of dictatorship is most likely?

00:58:20.000 I know you've got a lot to respond to there, Greg.

00:58:23.000 That's a lot.

00:58:24.000 Obviously, for me, it would be the latter.

00:58:28.000 When you see the media going after Trump, there's not a shred of evidence, because they have four years to look back on.

00:58:37.000 He was, in my opinion, the most transparent politician.

00:58:41.000 You knew everything about him.

00:58:44.000 He never had an unspoken thought.

00:58:47.000 Everything that was going through his head, he would say something and then the media would pick it apart.

00:58:53.000 They would also distort it.

00:58:57.000 But, you know, it's like I had Greenwald on my show in which I apologized to him for what you were getting at, which was he was warning That the kind of focusing on the entire groups of people being terrorists was going to one day be turned on Americans themselves.

00:59:18.000 And I remember laughing at that, and I was obviously wrong.

00:59:22.000 And I had to go like, Jesus Christ, this just came true in my lifetime.

00:59:26.000 I'm watching it.

00:59:27.000 The criminalization of people for supporting a politician, for not getting a vaccine, People like rooting for the death of people, or when they die, they say, ha, ha, ha, he didn't get the vax, you know.

00:59:43.000 However, if anybody had done that about a different behavior that caused their death, oh, you'd be like, if you happen to be a criminal who died, that, and you said, well, you know, you live the life, you would be attacked, but, but if you didn't get the vax, you know, and also the, you talked about speech.

01:00:03.000 I've noticed the description of hate speech got so big and then it kind of changed into misinformation.

01:00:13.000 Now it's misinformation and I love how they say misinformation and disinformation and then they like to go on what the difference is and it's just like basically what they're saying is if you disagree with us, That's misinformation.

01:00:27.000 If your counterpoint is disinformation, so that's actually now the same as hate speech.

01:00:35.000 You can be criminalized.

01:00:36.000 You should be banned or blocked from social media.

01:00:40.000 This is why I like what Tucker, what Elon did with X, With the community notes is exactly what you're talking about.

01:00:48.000 When the independent media comes back and says, wait, hold on a second.

01:00:52.000 Now we have that almost in real time.

01:00:55.000 You'll have somebody like Biden come on and say something that's completely false or whoever's posting for him.

01:01:00.000 And then within minutes, community notes comes up and just says, nope, you're wrong.

01:01:04.000 And it took that, it took the power away from their misinformation.

01:01:09.000 I'm fine with their misinformation.

01:01:11.000 I'm fine with their disinformation.

01:01:12.000 I don't want to ban it, but Don't call us out on the same thing when we call you out.

01:01:18.000 And to your point, everything is now political.

01:01:22.000 Your health is political.

01:01:25.000 They politicized the environment.

01:01:29.000 These are all things that we should agree with.

01:01:32.000 They politicized crime.

01:01:34.000 It should be, if you're a victim of crime, that should be basically the primary focus.

01:01:40.000 But when you talk about a victim of crime, and it could be a woman, it could be an Asian woman, they go, well, yeah, but you look at the criminal, look at society, we have to deal with this, the prisons are oppressive, bail, the guy, you know, well, the guy was out on bail when he pushed the woman in front of the subway, and they go, well, that, Suddenly that becomes a political thing.

01:02:00.000 And now when you have crime going up in specific cities, that suddenly becomes a political issue.

01:02:07.000 And you have to defy your own common sense.

01:02:10.000 You have politicians that know it's unsafe in DC, but they can't talk about it because now it's a political issue.

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