Stay Free - Russel Brand - “WE WILL NOT COMPLY!” Trump Does U-turn On COVID?!

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00:01:37.000 We put a poll out and I know you guys want to see it.

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00:01:46.000 Yet you know that this is about further authoritarianism and yet further control.

00:01:53.000 We got your man there Donald Trump's giving a pretty interesting speech.

00:01:58.000 He seems to have altered his own position and but Perhaps positions alter over time.

00:02:03.000 Let me let me know if you agree in the comments, you know, because obviously at the time Gareth Royer on-screen

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00:02:12.000 The time Donald Trump is obviously pretty pro the vaccines taking credit from numerous times

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00:02:37.000 So Trump's position now is non-compliance.

00:02:37.000 You'll love it.

00:02:40.000 This is actually interesting.

00:02:42.000 Given he's a man who's been indicted Wrongly or rightly, let us know in the comments what you think for his role in what's being called an insurrection.

00:02:51.000 This is a real rallying call.

00:02:52.000 This is a demand that people begin to disobey in the event of further lockdowns.

00:02:57.000 But ask yourself this question, then answer it in your own mind.

00:03:01.000 Do the whole conversation in your head if you want, then question yourself about whether or not you've been naive and really give yourself a hard time.

00:03:07.000 Do you think it's ever possible that America can be united again after this? Do you think

00:03:12.000 post-2024, whoever is in the White House that day, there can be true unity? And what patriotism can

00:03:19.000 we offer when we see the people of Hawaii suffering in the way they are? Offered

00:03:24.000 insignificant, insufficient help, no real infrastructure there when called upon. I'm not

00:03:28.000 saying your country is any worse than mine. We learned a comparable thing in a similar disaster, though

00:03:34.000 not of that scale, when a tower block burned down, Grenfell, lots of people died there. It was

00:03:40.000 sort of demonstrably due to ineptitude, lack of safety measures, poor standards. And when the

00:03:45.000 investigations began, they couldn't find anyone that was culpable. Your Hawaiian fires, I think,

00:03:50.000 reveal similar things about deep state, ineptitude, and of course, the prioritization. What do

00:03:56.000 people care about? So when you, you know, Do you care about simply an ongoing, sustained war, admittedly, apparently, to help the Ukrainian people who warrant help?

00:04:05.000 No one's arguing with that.

00:04:06.000 Or do you want to see American citizens help, particularly when Hawaii, as many people believe, was sort of a colonised place?

00:04:14.000 What do you want from Hawaii?

00:04:15.000 Do you want Americans that you're going to look after, or do you want a mid-pacific missile base and air force base?

00:04:20.000 Let me know in the comments what you think motivates it, because I know what the Hawaiian people think right now.

00:04:24.000 They think the help is not forthcoming.

00:04:26.000 And to hear Donald Trump's rhetoric at this time, to hear former heroic presidents like Barack Obama subject to all manner of peculiar inquiry, and we'll be talking about that at some depth, because I'm of the personal opinion that people's Private lives are sort of no one else's business, barring, you know, real criminality.

00:04:44.000 And I suppose drugs are a crime, although I'll tell you the truth, as a recovering drug addict, I don't think that's anybody else's business.

00:04:49.000 But we're not going to talk about that on YouTube because of the restrictive guidelines.

00:04:54.000 We'll talk about it sensibly, freely, over in the home of free speech in a minute.

00:04:59.000 But let's have a look at Donald Trump there.

00:05:01.000 Demanding that you don't comply.

00:05:02.000 Some of you maybe don't think that lockdowns are a realistic possibility anyway.

00:05:07.000 Certainly though, after what's been revealed in Sweden, we should be cautious before kowtowing again, because Sweden, with their much more laissez-faire approach, had a lot better results than the United States.

00:05:18.000 Just hands down better results than the United States, isn't it, Cal?

00:05:21.000 Half the excess deaths.

00:05:23.000 How does that tally with the facts, with the lockdowns, with the masks, and with the parties of the powerful?

00:05:27.000 Remember they had those parties, right?

00:05:28.000 You remember that?

00:05:29.000 While you were locked down, they were boogieing on up.

00:05:32.000 Let's see what Donald Trump's got to say on the potential future lockdowns.

00:05:36.000 He's a man who don't hold back.

00:05:37.000 Did he look interesting in front of this painting?

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00:05:52.000 you. Let's check out Donald Trump.

00:05:53.000 I think lunatics are trying very hard to bring back COVID lockdown.

00:05:57.000 Lunatics!

00:05:58.000 And mandates with all of their sudden fear mongering about the new variants that are

00:06:05.000 coming. Gee whiz, you know what else is coming? An election.

00:06:09.000 They want to restart the COVID hysteria.

00:06:11.000 You know what? And I'm going to ask Brianna Droy great about this because Brianna, you

00:06:17.000 know, she close to Bernie. She's close to a lot of Democrat insiders.

00:06:20.000 Do you sort of like, this is what I want to know, is like, here what Trump is able to do, is he's able to diagnose and address problems that many American people believe are endemic.

00:06:29.000 Oh yeah, just because there's an election coming up, they're doing stuff, oh they're using this.

00:06:33.000 You know like, now, They have not been able to actually address the problem of Trump.

00:06:39.000 Yes, because of a lack of charismatic leadership, but above all else, because they can't say, listen, this isn't what we're like.

00:06:46.000 We're not like that.

00:06:47.000 They are like that.

00:06:48.000 That is the problem.

00:06:49.000 You know, when you have that big farmer bill introduced.

00:06:51.000 That's exactly what I just thought there.

00:06:52.000 Well, exactly. When you say that the way that people respond to Trump versus the way that people see the

00:06:58.000 Democrats, at the moment, when you have Kamala Harris go and deliver a speech about how successful the Democrats

00:07:04.000 have been, how historic this bill is, that we're bringing down Medicare, that we're allowing Medicare to negotiate

00:07:10.000 prices, when you then find out that it's 10 drugs for seniors, it's actually probably more like 6 of the 10, that

00:07:17.000 you're paying a thousand times more as Americans than people in other countries for the same drugs.

00:07:21.000 It's rubbish and that's why people gravitate to Donald Trump.

00:07:25.000 And just on an interpersonal social level, the way that Kamala Harris makes that announcement, she's sort of smiling, super pleased, she refers to Joe Biden as a hero, she's chuckling gleefully.

00:07:37.000 I'd like to almost say this, Like, from the most cynical perspective, if you were a Democrat Party insider, go, look, see this?

00:07:43.000 That don't chime good.

00:07:45.000 Like, see this, Donald Trump?

00:07:47.000 That has an emotional resonance.

00:07:49.000 Like, what Kamala Harris could have been saying is, look, we initially came out and said, well, you saw Joe Biden say, we beat Big Pharma this year.

00:07:57.000 I'm afraid because of presumably all of the lobbying or the donation money

00:08:01.000 because of the complex relationships with people in Congress and pharmaceutical companies

00:08:05.000 investing in firms they regulate because the FDA accept money from the pharmaceutical

00:08:09.000 companies that they are supposed to be regulating. What we've ended up with is not

00:08:13.000 all drug prices capped, far from it.

00:08:16.000 Even some pretty egregious examples of exploitation.

00:08:19.000 Certain cancer medications that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that could have a white label alternative introduced.

00:08:24.000 We've not done none of that.

00:08:25.000 We've not done that.

00:08:26.000 What you're going to end up with, I'm afraid to tell you, is six to ten drugs, as Gareth just said, as long as there's no generic competition and as long as they've been on the market nine years.

00:08:33.000 This is, and it's only for seniors, and it don't kick in until 2026.

00:08:36.000 I mean, that don't sound so good.

00:08:38.000 Then this dude comes on the TV, said, there's an election coming, they're gonna lock you down

00:08:42.000 again, they're lunatics.

00:08:43.000 You're like, well, hold on, this sounds more like reality to me.

00:08:47.000 This sounds more like reality, it feels more like reality to me.

00:08:50.000 And you guys know, if you're a fan of our show, you know we do not think voting in the Republican Party,

00:08:56.000 even under Trump, is gonna make your life any better.

00:08:59.000 There needs to be significant systemic change, more democracy, decentralisation of power, stopping this globalist project immediately in all of its forms, and only a strong America can do that, allied to a strong UK, we pray.

00:09:13.000 And these kind of polemicists, well-intentioned or not, whether you love them or hate them, are not the answer.

00:09:19.000 Because how many times have you been around the merry-go-round?

00:09:21.000 If you're a Democrat-inclined person, you may remember... Listen, I hope you don't sound naive of me.

00:09:26.000 You let me know in the comments if this sounds naive.

00:09:27.000 When Barack Obama became President, I was happy.

00:09:30.000 I thought, this is good for America, this is good for the world, to see that family of colour.

00:09:34.000 This is cool.

00:09:35.000 This is cool.

00:09:36.000 A country that's gone from slavery to having a president of colour.

00:09:39.000 Oh my god.

00:09:41.000 But what happened?

00:09:42.000 Drone strikes is what happened.

00:09:44.000 More war.

00:09:45.000 2008 bailout.

00:09:47.000 It created the conditions and crises that immediately followed it.

00:09:50.000 No one's addressing that yet.

00:09:51.000 What they give you is Here's a cadaverous version of Barack Obama.

00:09:54.000 You know, the cool version that, you know, didn't work anyway.

00:09:58.000 Here's a really old, decrepit version.

00:10:01.000 A sepulchral creature emerging from the tomb to bring you more gloom and less democracy than ever.

00:10:07.000 So they need to shape up and shape up fast, I would say.

00:10:10.000 I also think a lot of the kind of commentary as a result of what Trump's saying now is, you know, Trump's jumping on the bandwagon.

00:10:16.000 He's done a U-turn on vaccines.

00:10:18.000 You know, he's now using this politically.

00:10:20.000 I think if anyone has used COVID politically, it was the mainstream media or the legacy media.

00:10:25.000 They are the ones who politicized COVID.

00:10:28.000 And also when we're talking about vaccines and again, saying that Trump was a fan of his own vaccines and was very pro vaccines.

00:10:34.000 He's got his name on his building.

00:10:34.000 I'm not a fan of his own everything.

00:10:36.000 He's got his name on water bottles.

00:10:37.000 He likes his stuff.

00:10:38.000 And so people may say, oh, you know, Democrats may say, oh, he's done a U-turn on that.

00:10:41.000 He's now using it against us.

00:10:43.000 Who was using vaccines against Trump when they came out?

00:10:46.000 Joe Biden, Kamala Harris.

00:10:47.000 I won't take it.

00:10:48.000 I won't take that vaccine.

00:10:49.000 So they've all been doing exactly the same thing that they're accusing Trump of doing.

00:10:49.000 That's what they all said.

00:10:52.000 The cluster bombs.

00:10:54.000 Everything up is down.

00:10:55.000 Everything's reversed according to convenience.

00:10:57.000 These are things I want to talk to Brianna Joy about.

00:11:00.000 Brianna Joy Grey, excuse me.

00:11:01.000 Because, like, this is a person who understands the Democrat Party better than we do.

00:11:04.000 And we've got to start understanding this stuff, because bouncing between them two parties ain't doing nothing for nobody, is it?

00:11:08.000 It's not helping us.

00:11:09.000 And I think that there are crises that need to be addressed.

00:11:11.000 Whether you see them as left-wing crises or right-wing crises, whatever your weltanschauung, your perspective, shit's got to change.

00:11:18.000 Forgive my language.

00:11:18.000 Let's have a look at Donald Trump.

00:11:20.000 So they can justify more lockdowns, more censorship, more illegal drop boxes, more mail-in ballots, and trillions of dollars in payoffs to their political allies heading into the 2024 election.

00:11:33.000 Does that sound familiar?

00:11:34.000 These are bad people.

00:11:35.000 These are sick people we're dealing with.

00:11:37.000 But to every COVID tyrant who wants to take away our freedom, hear these words.

00:11:42.000 We will not comply.

00:11:45.000 So don't even think about it.

00:11:47.000 We will not shut down our schools.

00:11:49.000 We will not accept your lockdowns.

00:11:52.000 We will not abide by your mask mandates.

00:11:55.000 And we will not tolerate your vaccine mandates.

00:11:58.000 They rigged the 2020 election, and now they're trying to do the same thing all over again by rigging the Most important election in the history of our country, the 2024 election, even if it means trying to bring back COVID.

00:12:13.000 But they will fail because we will not let it happen.

00:12:17.000 When I'm back in the White House, I will use every available authority to cut federal funding to any school, college, airline, or public transportation system that imposes a mask mandate or a vaccine mandate.

00:12:30.000 Thank you very much.

00:12:31.000 Oh, man.

00:12:32.000 What do you imagine is going to have more resonance with the American people from across the spectrum?

00:12:37.000 That kind of bombast and, you know, is it hyperbole?

00:12:41.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:12:42.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to slip over to the other place in just a few seconds because you voted in your droves, if our voting machines are correct and can be relied upon.

00:12:50.000 For us to talk about Tucker's latest Obama revelations and interviews and the complexity around that story and conflating people's private behaviors with their character.

00:12:59.000 We want to talk to you about how you feel about all that stuff and I say this is a man in recovery.

00:13:05.000 Yep, let's have a look at that poll result.

00:13:06.000 You said 20,000 of you voted and it was 83% said yes.

00:13:09.000 Now contrast Trump's rhetoric just then to our man Joe Biden announcing yet another bloody, uh, prosperous I forgot that was on YouTube.

00:13:23.000 Joe Biden announcing a potentially helpful new medical breakthrough that you've funded.

00:13:29.000 Let's see, is this him talking about the new booster?

00:13:32.000 Yeah, new funding for a new vaccine.

00:13:34.000 New funding, new vaccine.

00:13:36.000 Same old Joe, and boy is he old.

00:13:37.000 Have a look at this.

00:13:38.000 Mr President, can you say anything about the uptick of Covid cases and the new variant?

00:13:44.000 As a matter of fact, I signed off this morning on a proposal we have to present to the Congress a request for additional funding for a new vaccine.

00:13:44.000 Yes, I can.

00:13:56.000 That's necessary.

00:13:57.000 That works.

00:14:00.000 Oh, well, the other ones, but I thought the other... We're on YouTube, Joe!

00:14:03.000 We're on YouTube, because it sounds like what you're saying is that the other vaccine... I mean, they all, surely, I mean, like, jeez, I'm going to have to do this for Joe Biden.

00:14:12.000 That's just Protect Joe Biden there.

00:14:16.000 You could fall foul of the guidelines there, Biden!

00:14:19.000 Don't you dare!

00:14:20.000 There's not enough allegedly's on our button boxes there to handle this kind of chaos.

00:14:25.000 So extraordinary.

00:14:26.000 What do you think's going to be more resonant?

00:14:28.000 That kind of hokey folksy lying about the Hawaiian fires?

00:14:31.000 And his own one isn't the Hawaiian fires, his own fires, which are pretty minor.

00:14:34.000 So again, I think when you look at the speech that Trump just delivered, and you again say, why are people gravitating towards that?

00:14:42.000 The Democrats at this point should be addressing, like with the Hawaii fires, yes we send this amount of money to Ukraine, and only this amount of money to Hawaii.

00:14:52.000 Yes, we're giving this amount of money to the makers of these vaccines, even though they're guilty of all these things in the past, but that's just the way it is.

00:15:00.000 The more and more they don't...

00:15:03.000 You know, give people the facts on this, that they're transparent, and address the issues that people have, and then just go on the telly and say, yeah, we're putting more money into a new vaccine.

00:15:10.000 People are going to have questions.

00:15:11.000 It's going to create cynicism.

00:15:12.000 It's going to create doubt.

00:15:13.000 Psychodram33 says, what are they going to do with this one?

00:15:18.000 Give it to 10 mouses rather than 8?

00:15:20.000 That might be a reference to the Moderna booster shot that I believe was only tested on 8 mouses.

00:15:26.000 Allegedly.

00:15:27.000 Just in case.

00:15:28.000 Just in case we were incorrect.

00:15:30.000 We don't get a lot of latitude, baby.

00:15:31.000 If you're one of our 6.5 million awakening wonders over there on YouTube, by God, we love you.

00:15:36.000 By God, we are glad that you are with us on this journey to a mutual awakening.

00:15:40.000 In a moment, though, we're going to slink off into the clandestine spaces where free speech truly does reign free.

00:15:48.000 In fact, let's get over there now, because I want to have a little conversation about this stuff.

00:15:51.000 So click the link in your description, guys.

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00:15:56.000 I want to have a place where we're going to talk freely about Tucker's latest interview, its connotations, and how do you frame the legacy of great leaders, okay?

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00:18:00.000 Not some imposed top-down dystopian nightmare where you're surveilled from the sky.

00:18:05.000 Now you know me.

00:18:06.000 I'm a drug addict in recovery.

00:18:09.000 And I lived a pretty crazy life, baby.

00:18:11.000 So, like, you know, when it came to the Hunter Biden laptop, and when it comes to this story about Barack Obama, and this man who my wife consistently describes as her darling, what's he called?

00:18:22.000 Larry Pipsqueak.

00:18:23.000 Like, Larry Pipsqueak is like, this is Rumble, so we can say what we want.

00:18:26.000 Larry Pipsqueak says, he had it off with Obama back in the day, or what's he says?

00:18:30.000 He's noshed him.

00:18:32.000 That's what he said.

00:18:33.000 Not sure the exact... The exact vernacular.

00:18:36.000 Not sure.

00:18:37.000 But he said, like, I mean, like, well, listen, I would say, OK, fine.

00:18:40.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 Although someone did offer me one once.

00:18:43.000 It was a fella.

00:18:44.000 And being a heterosexual, as I've always thought of myself as being, perhaps due to a lack of spirit inquiry, I had to, in that case... Had to decline, didn't you?

00:18:51.000 I had to decline.

00:18:52.000 I thought about it and I thought, I could just, I suppose it wouldn't matter, wouldn't it?

00:18:55.000 I thought, nah, something, I don't feel right.

00:18:56.000 But I always think, be who you are.

00:19:00.000 Be who you are, as long as you're loving, as long as it's consensual.

00:19:03.000 And I even think, with drugs, even as a recovering drug addict, that one day at a time, please, Lord, I'll never take drugs again.

00:19:08.000 I don't think it's my job to police whether you take drugs.

00:19:11.000 You might be able to take drugs!

00:19:12.000 Yeah, also, drugs, I mean, we know all the experiments they're doing with psilocybin and all that.

00:19:16.000 I mean, drugs, again, is like a...

00:19:18.000 It's a conversation to be had about drugs, surely.

00:19:20.000 It's a conversation to be had, and Larry Pipkin's having it with Tucker.

00:19:24.000 So let's have a look at this, and let me know guys what you think in the comments about people's private lives.

00:19:29.000 Do you think this is a unique case?

00:19:30.000 And make sure that you don't just use it to leverage existing feelings of disdain, you know?

00:19:35.000 Like, say if you are predisposed to really like Barack Obama, and you hear this and go, oh yeah, okay, it's cool.

00:19:42.000 Or imagine if you don't like Barack Obama, and this becomes something like, Because I feel like there's an appetite for destruction behind many news stories these days.

00:19:50.000 That people have a pre-existing agenda, you know, particularly the mainstream.

00:19:53.000 They're monsters for it, the legacy media.

00:19:55.000 They'll go like, we hate this person.

00:19:57.000 Let's find something we can say about this person.

00:19:59.000 Let's ring around everyone.

00:20:00.000 I'm a person in the public eye.

00:20:01.000 I know how this stuff works.

00:20:03.000 And then they just try and find a way of destroying you.

00:20:05.000 It's not like, OK, we're just in neutral.

00:20:07.000 Is everything OK?

00:20:08.000 Oh, no, this thing.

00:20:10.000 The mainstream media got no morals.

00:20:11.000 I guess maybe a way of looking at it, you could say, is that for many people, I think they feel like Obama was not what he was purported to be.

00:20:20.000 That what Obama came in, hope and change, all the things he said he was going to do, those things didn't end up, you know, being done.

00:20:28.000 And that maybe this is the kind of manifestation that people can now turn to to say, you see?

00:20:33.000 It was a lie.

00:20:34.000 He wasn't what he was purported to be.

00:20:36.000 It wasn't what he was saying he was.

00:20:38.000 And maybe it's about something You see, that's always what's offered when people report on people's private life.

00:20:43.000 Devin Watson in our chat says, ah, so the people that Edward Snowden informed us was spying on us don't like it when it happens to them.

00:20:52.000 TNS Base Girl says that's what matters about it, all the cover-ups.

00:20:55.000 Okay, so that's interesting.

00:20:56.000 And it's also a curious moment to take the temperature of how the legacy media is squaring up against new emergent independent media.

00:21:05.000 You can bet that legacy media ain't going to want to cover this story at all, even to disparage it and deny it, I would imagine, because they're not going to want to give it any air.

00:21:13.000 They're not going to want to elevate it.

00:21:14.000 And many people are saying that this story has been out there for a while.

00:21:17.000 Well, also, Joe Biden at the moment needs Obama's help.

00:21:19.000 I mean, Obama is kind of sweeping in there to save Joe Biden, to get the numbers back up, to get his popularity back up.

00:21:25.000 So this coming out this time is not ideal at all.

00:21:27.000 Well, I've not watched this yet because I'm always sort of like, as I say, it's not really my bag.

00:21:32.000 Well, we were talking about this earlier because we'll probably look at it in more depth over the coming weeks as we get a bit more of a handle on it all, so to speak.

00:21:32.000 Let's check it out.

00:21:40.000 But what Gareth said, as Gareth always says in such times, is what about the fact that during Obama's presidency he carried on droning?

00:21:47.000 It was like innocent people died as a result of drone strikes.

00:21:50.000 What about 2008?

00:21:52.000 The fact that the banks were bailed out instead of ordinary Americans when there was a perfect opportunity to reform and reshape America Organically and populistically.

00:22:00.000 Populism is not a dirty word.

00:22:03.000 Populism means ordinary people en masse come ahead of establishment elites.

00:22:08.000 But because their model requires supremacy of government rather than consensus and governance

00:22:14.000 by consent, they have to assume that people are somehow engaged in skullduggery, dirty,

00:22:21.000 incapable of making decisions for themselves.

00:22:23.000 Take a look at the pandemic approach by Sweden versus the pandemic approach in countries

00:22:27.000 like ours, the UK, and yours, the United States.

00:22:30.000 They emulated China when it came to it.

00:22:34.000 Unlike Sweden, who went, look, let's just let people do what they're going to do.

00:22:37.000 You know, this ultimately is meant to be motivated by the sanctity of life.

00:22:41.000 All life is sacred.

00:22:42.000 Let's do what we can to protect each other, even if it means we compromise our freedoms for others.

00:22:46.000 I mean, isn't that the very model that marches men and women to war in foreign lands?

00:22:51.000 We've got to protect these people.

00:22:52.000 We've got to.

00:22:53.000 But who believes that's the truth anymore?

00:22:55.000 And with Fauci's recent acknowledgement that masks across populations were not effective but at the level of the individual they were effective, that's essentially saying the same thing.

00:23:14.000 If you need a mask, wear a mask.

00:23:16.000 If you need a vaccine, get yourself a vaccine.

00:23:18.000 Otherwise, crack on guys, live your own lives, be sensible, love one another.

00:23:22.000 But because there is no love in the culture, because it's built on hatred, condemnation, divisionism, divisiveness,

00:23:28.000 cruelty, condemnation, materialism and individualism. They've got no recourse to that rhetoric.

00:23:32.000 Authoritarianism is all they know. So we've got to see how this story fits into that

00:23:36.000 landscape and acknowledge that it's unproven and it's ultimately allegations about a person's

00:23:42.000 family life. But let's have a look at it anyway. We're on Rumble, baby.

00:23:45.000 You're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to party.

00:23:50.000 Pulled up in a bar outside, and there's this guy.

00:23:50.000 Yeah.

00:23:53.000 I like Tucker's face already.

00:23:55.000 It sounds like you're in town to party.

00:23:58.000 And Tucker's like, oh, who's this now?

00:24:00.000 Who's this I got in my cabin?

00:24:03.000 Introduced to me as Barack Obama.

00:24:04.000 I had given Barack $250 to pay for Coke.

00:24:08.000 I start putting a line on a CD tray to snort, and next...

00:24:13.000 Putting a line on a CD tray to snort.

00:24:16.000 Well, we've all been there, mate.

00:24:17.000 A CD tray.

00:24:18.000 That ages this piece.

00:24:20.000 Whoa, Grandad!

00:24:21.000 I don't know my day.

00:24:23.000 We took the old cocaine out of CD cases.

00:24:25.000 Varmints!

00:24:26.000 I used to brew up me old cocaine out there.

00:24:29.000 Moonshine, we called it.

00:24:30.000 Me and David Crockett doing it off of Raccoon's Tail.

00:24:35.000 I can change the world, baby!

00:24:38.000 I know he's got a little pipe and he's smoking.

00:24:40.000 So I just started rubbing my hand along the stop.

00:24:43.000 He's, I would say, not the perfect.

00:24:46.000 Like, with the wrist things, always a concern, isn't it?

00:24:49.000 Yeah.

00:24:50.000 When someone's wrists need the constraint.

00:24:54.000 Look, he's lovely.

00:24:55.000 The same humanity and love that I would extend to Barack Obama, I extend to... What's he called?

00:25:00.000 Larry Pipsqueak.

00:25:01.000 I would extend to him.

00:25:02.000 Because, like, he's a human being.

00:25:04.000 He's plainly a man in recovery.

00:25:06.000 I mean, the old gnashers seem to have fallen by the wayside, so I'll take his testimony on the crack use.

00:25:11.000 I read he was a convicted con artist.

00:25:14.000 He does cons, does he?

00:25:16.000 I did read that.

00:25:17.000 Wait a minute, what if I... Look, I bet you lot, you will believe it anyway, ain't it?

00:25:20.000 Because you're just like, you're raffle rousers, ain't you?

00:25:22.000 Like, ah, cool!

00:25:24.000 Madness, we love it!

00:25:26.000 Makes me think, why has he not been killed yet?

00:25:28.000 All that kind of stuff.

00:25:29.000 What do you lot think so far?

00:25:31.000 Are you using the Malcolm Gladwell blink test?

00:25:33.000 You're still thinking, is this guy telling the truth?

00:25:35.000 Is this guy telling the truth?

00:25:36.000 And remember to check your own sort of biases.

00:25:38.000 Yeah, someone goes, meh.

00:25:39.000 Someone else says, cringe.

00:25:41.000 A lot of you don't sort of really care about it.

00:25:43.000 Yeah, in a sense, that's I think where we got to get to.

00:25:45.000 Isn't it?

00:25:46.000 We've got to get to like, hang on, like, don't you care a bit more about like...

00:25:50.000 Well, I think it'd be better that we're reminded about Obama's record in office.

00:25:54.000 On his foreign policy.

00:25:55.000 I think we should be reminded of this every single day.

00:25:58.000 About what our former presidents and our former leaders do in other countries.

00:26:02.000 About how many people they are responsible for killing.

00:26:04.000 About how many children they are responsible for killing.

00:26:07.000 That is what, again, the legacy media do not do.

00:26:10.000 They talk about Obama in glowing terms, like Obama was the kind of saviour for America, and that he'll then go in and save Joe Biden.

00:26:17.000 Let's be reminded, ten times more drone strikes than George Bush, 90% Daniel Hale revealed, 90% didn't kill the intended targets.

00:26:17.000 No!

00:26:24.000 These are massive things that result in innocent civilians dying, and we're not reminded of it, ever.

00:26:29.000 It's whitewashed.

00:26:30.000 Let us know in the chat if you think that Gareth's making the points that need to be made.

00:26:34.000 Join us on Locals, press the red button and join us there.

00:26:38.000 Or tell us if you think Larry Pipsqueak's making the right points.

00:26:40.000 Let's see what he's got to say now.

00:26:42.000 I see where it was going and it went the direction I had intended it to go.

00:26:46.000 He's talking about a drone now.

00:26:48.000 I hoped it was gonna bomb that wedding all along.

00:26:51.000 It could be a terrorist, I don't know.

00:26:53.000 They looked like they were having a good time.

00:26:55.000 You had sex with him twice.

00:26:56.000 You did cocaine with him.

00:26:57.000 Watched him smoke crack twice.

00:26:58.000 You had no idea who he was.

00:27:00.000 I had no idea who he was.

00:27:01.000 Let me just ask you the obvious question.

00:27:02.000 What was Obama like on crack?

00:27:05.000 Is it your sense that that's who Obama is?

00:27:06.000 Just transactional?

00:27:07.000 Or that he's bisexual?

00:27:09.000 It definitely wasn't Barack's first time.

00:27:09.000 Or like, what is this?

00:27:12.000 And I would...

00:27:13.000 Oh man, this is, the world's gone, this is intense, isn't it?

00:27:16.000 Like, that's it, the mainstream media, how are they going to handle this?

00:27:19.000 How are they going to handle this?

00:27:20.000 Because Tucker, this is going to get hundreds of millions of views.

00:27:24.000 Hundreds of millions of views.

00:27:25.000 So listen, when they talk about disinformation, malinformation, misinformation, are they trying to protect you, or are they trying to protect you from pretty crazy, potentially seditious content like this?

00:27:39.000 Because I guess, you know, it's all fair game now.

00:27:42.000 Yeah again I don't know I mean obviously a reaction will be this is just salacious gossip this shouldn't be aired you can't take talker seriously you can't take independent media seriously this will be used by the legacy media to kind of smear independent media I would say but like again kind of what's worse like Obama used the Espionage Act More than any of the presidents before him.

00:28:02.000 That's essentially silenced whistleblowers from revealing things about what the government is doing.

00:28:06.000 The way they're spying on you, the use of drone warfare, all of those kind of things.

00:28:11.000 What is worse, Tucker revealing something like this, whether it's true or not, or those things, the way Obama and his administration silenced whistleblowers.

00:28:19.000 That's very good.

00:28:20.000 We'll do a video on this and I'll be saying those things tomorrow.

00:28:22.000 You'll be able to watch that happen.

00:28:24.000 Look at this one from txabad.

00:28:26.000 This sort of lowers the bar sort of thing.

00:28:28.000 We lose the moral high ground.

00:28:29.000 That's txscubabad.

00:28:31.000 We lose the moral high ground.

00:28:32.000 And that's an interesting thing because we live in this kind of nihilistic, materialistic, slanderous, salacious, ghastly, filthy place.

00:28:39.000 All of this mud slinging.

00:28:41.000 No access to the limitless light, to the principles of love and service and empathy and compassion.

00:28:46.000 This kind of stuff is, this is the way it's going to roll.

00:28:49.000 This is the way it's going to go.

00:28:50.000 Let's talk to a serious political contributor, co-host on the hill, host of Bad Faith podcast, former press secretary to Bernie Sanders.

00:28:59.000 It's Brianna Joy Gray.

00:29:00.000 Welcome back, Brianna.

00:29:01.000 Thank you so much for coming on our show again.

00:29:03.000 Thank you so much for having me, Russell.

00:29:05.000 Brianna, I wonder if you, I suppose you fundamentally would agree with Gareth's analysis that salacious stories of this nature are going to be the type of phenomena that emerges from a fragmented and fractured independent media space.

00:29:18.000 But when it comes to Barack Obama's record in office, do you think it's fair to say that holding him up as a champion and as a patriarch of the Democrat movement feels Unreasonable and unfair in light of some of the facts that Gareth just cited.

00:29:35.000 The drone strikes, the wars, the failures in 2008.

00:29:37.000 And you as a Democrat Party insider, how do you feel about that aspect of Barack Obama's life as well?

00:29:44.000 Touch upon this if you feel inclined.

00:29:47.000 Yeah, I completely agree with Gary.

00:29:48.000 That is the point that we need to be nailing home.

00:29:51.000 But the reality of the situation is that people do pay more attention to kind of salacious, personalized gossip than they do to a war crime from 10 years ago.

00:30:01.000 And I do think it's been the struggle of a lot of very serious-minded independent media to try to figure out what kind of balance they can strike to get people to tune in once they've gotten tired of hearing about East Palestine, Ohio,

00:30:13.000 or a homelessness crisis, or even Maui.

00:30:16.000 Do you go ahead and engage with some of these stories, mix it in, do a spoonful of sugar?

00:30:21.000 I think that approach largely works, but in this particular story, it's a little awkward

00:30:25.000 because unlike 2008, the country's moved a really far way to the left

00:30:31.000 in terms of how they perceive homosexuality, the idea that a president might be bisexual

00:30:38.000 or have had this kind of interactions in the past.

00:30:41.000 don't seem as damning as they might have been at a time when the legacy media might have buried this kind of story in order to protect Barack Obama.

00:30:49.000 So it does, it does sort of feel like it diminishes the broader project of independent media in some ways to be talking about it.

00:30:56.000 At the same time that I completely understand why I have a story like this falls in your lap, you would want to cover it.

00:31:01.000 I think the question is, what is Tucker Carlson's framing going to be?

00:31:04.000 And why is he going to say that the story matters?

00:31:08.000 Well Tucker Carlson has been on this show and had a significant interview at that.

00:31:14.000 It was his first one since he left Fox.

00:31:18.000 I feel he has a pretty unique ability to frame information and connect emotionally with his audience.

00:31:25.000 Many people have noted that it was young people that were tuning into Fox to tune into Tucker.

00:31:31.000 Now Fox is perhaps the most significant figure by Joe Rogan in the independent media space.

00:31:37.000 It further highlights that there is this great uncrossable schism between the mainstream

00:31:43.000 media who I imagine won't touch this story, or if they do, they will in the most euphemistic

00:31:46.000 terms.

00:31:47.000 And perhaps the problem that we're left with, Brianna, is their inability to say we can't

00:31:52.000 keep heralding and holding Barack Obama as a hero given the truth of his record in office.

00:31:57.000 We can't continue to be surprised.

00:31:58.000 I was saying at the beginning of the show when we were covering Trump's bombastic speech,

00:32:03.000 rallying and rallying cry to disobey any potential future lockdowns, I was thinking, you know,

00:32:08.000 like this has more emotional calibre and resonance than watching Kamala Harris and Joe Biden

00:32:18.000 announcing a muted and watered down pharmaceutical bill that amounts to, and I'm citing mostly

00:32:23.000 David Sirota's piece in The Leather here, that amounts to a handful of medicines that

00:32:28.000 haven't got generic competition.

00:32:31.000 It's just such a lot of nonsense that that kind of rhetoric remains appealing.

00:32:35.000 What are the Democrat Party going to do to address this lack of resonance and possibly

00:32:41.000 coming soon relevance?

00:32:43.000 Bye.

00:32:44.000 I mean, frankly, I would love to see Barack Obama not just hammered on his foreign policy, but on having a trifecta with a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and still making such horrible compromises with healthcare.

00:32:58.000 Yes, was Obamacare a significant step forward?

00:33:02.000 Sure, but only viewed in the context of all of our peer countries across the world, it It's a sad state of affairs for the American healthcare system, but that's still heralded as the biggest advancement in our healthcare system since the 1940s.

00:33:17.000 So I do think I would One of my critiques, I think, of the way the independent media is going, and I see this as someone who has her own podcast and is an independent media person who has all the critiques of legacy media, who has been personally blacklisted by Joanne Reed.

00:33:35.000 Like, I say this as someone who is rooting for independent media.

00:33:39.000 There is this frustrating need to kind of chase An algorithm.

00:33:43.000 If you don't have a corporation that's forcing you onto somebody's TV screen, you've got to figure out how to make it work.

00:33:50.000 And I've heard you dance around the kinds of sanctions.

00:33:54.000 You know, if you say something about the vaccine, you might get censored on the social media.

00:33:58.000 The Hill got taken down for, I believe, a week for simply playing a Trump speech, like C-SPAN style, in which he did, which he denied the election results.

00:34:06.000 And then the channel, The Hill, got stung for it.

00:34:10.000 So that is happening at the same time that you're trying to bring people the kind of news that benefits you in the algorithm.

00:34:15.000 And that can lead you in one direction or the other.

00:34:17.000 And I've realized that for myself, I don't just want to criticize Barack Obama for not going far enough on health care or Joe Biden for not going far enough on health care.

00:34:25.000 Certainly, Donald Trump didn't do anything meaningful for health care in this regard as well.

00:34:30.000 But I want to be applying pressure prospectively to the politicians that are fighting for our votes right now to be fighting with each other about how much more they can do than the politicians of yesteryear.

00:34:42.000 And sometimes I think the balance of criticizing people for past actions versus pressuring people who are still in contention today to do better for us is a little out of skew.

00:34:53.000 And I really do appreciate articles and outlets like The Lever for making very clear what the potential is in the current moment.

00:35:01.000 Do you think that this new collision and fusion between radical, if that's the appropriate word, outsider candidates like Vivek Ramaswamy over there with the Republicans who's been on our show and people dig him, and like Robert F Kennedy who also has been on and

00:35:24.000 people love him and actually I love him a bit as well, like he's a man in recovery, he's about

00:35:28.000 to beat me in a pull-up competition.

00:35:30.000 Do you think that their ability to gain traction in spaces like this, bypassing legacy media,

00:35:37.000 suggests that perhaps the Democrat party, apparently as it is in thrall of a donor class

00:35:44.000 and a kind of odd hereditary principle between Clintons and Obamas and Bidens and whatnot,

00:35:50.000 or embrace as they perhaps ought to have done in the time of Bernie Sanders, a campaign that I know

00:35:55.000 that you were significantly involved in, the emergence, the organic...

00:36:00.000 As it were, emergence of a figure like RFK and say, look, let's go this direction.

00:36:05.000 What prevents that from happening?

00:36:07.000 What prevents this kind of change and this kind of embrace happening, Brianna?

00:36:12.000 Look, as heartening as it is that outsider candidates can get some traction and chart on the board, as if you will, despite not being embraced by legacy media.

00:36:24.000 At the end of the day, we see that the legacy media still has an enormous amount of power.

00:36:28.000 So, you know, Bernie Sanders got pretty far, twice.

00:36:34.000 But at the end of the day, when there's double-digit millions of earned media for Barack Obama, sorry, for Joe Biden, for Joe Biden after he wins South Carolina, after he lost catastrophically the first three primary contests.

00:36:47.000 Remember, I think he came fifth place in one of those first three primary contests.

00:36:51.000 The media didn't heap Negative media on him following that.

00:36:55.000 In fact, when Bernie won Nevada, there was a flood of negative, negative media for Bernie Sanders.

00:37:02.000 I think that was the moment where they started saying that he was in Putin's pocket and Chris Matthews did his whole screen about how we're going to have beheadings, socialist beheadings in Central Park if Bernie Sanders wins, you know?

00:37:14.000 So they do have an effect to put their thumb on the scale still.

00:37:17.000 And RFK Jr., despite having a kind of breakout moment, Is kind of stalling, declining in the polls.

00:37:22.000 I think that's largely because the positions he's taken on Israel-Palestine, which feel very establishment poll-tested, frankly, and completely out of step with the outsider image and outsider, I think, credibility that he has in other areas.

00:37:35.000 And it is also worth noting that RFK Jr., unlike some other outsider insurgent candidates, has gotten the benefit of some pretty big players.

00:37:43.000 Elon Musk said he was going to offer any presidential candidate the opportunity to have a Twitter spaces.

00:37:48.000 Marianne Williamson took him up on that immediately, both publicly and, as I understand it, privately reached out.

00:37:53.000 He has declined to follow up with that.

00:37:56.000 And Fox News has offered RFK Jr.

00:37:58.000 platform multiple times in a way that it hasn't Marianne Williamson.

00:38:02.000 So there, you know, I wouldn't say that he has not had the benefit of legacy media.

00:38:06.000 I would say that he hasn't had the benefit of liberal legacy media.

00:38:10.000 Bernie, of course, was an independent before he joined the Democrat Party.

00:38:14.000 Cornel West now is calling out figures like AOC and Bernie for becoming co-opted by the party that they were supposed to oppose and certainly improve.

00:38:25.000 Do you think it's a time to recognise that the way that independent media is changing media spaces and that legacy media, whilst, as you have explained, still have influence, are ultimately atrophying?

00:38:38.000 And that new political movements could similarly emerge, particularly if there were alliances between independent media and new independent political parties.

00:38:48.000 Or is the system just too rigged, Brianna?

00:38:51.000 So I do think that independent media is useful and helpful.

00:38:54.000 I don't think that, for example, Bernie would have gotten as far as he did if there hadn't been a kind of consensus among what at the time was just an emergent independent media system.

00:39:04.000 Channels like The Young Turks, people like Kyle Kalinske of Secular Talks had big, nearly million, you know, million plus subscriber followings.

00:39:12.000 And when Bernie came, it was at just that moment where they were able to flex their newfound power And create a kind of public consensus and counter-programming to what we were hearing on the mainstream news.

00:39:22.000 And I think that that mattered.

00:39:24.000 But I do think that what we've learned from those last two Bernie campaigns is that it's simply not enough.

00:39:29.000 And that the Democratic Party specifically, it has argued in court that it is not obliged to hold a free, equal, fair election.

00:39:36.000 That it is a corporation that is allowed to pick winners and losers and put its thumb on the scale.

00:39:41.000 We heard Donna Brazile argue this as well, say, admit this. We learned of the

00:39:46.000 mechanisms they were using to manipulate the press from some of the Podesta paper leaks. So there's

00:39:52.000 no mystery there. So the question then becomes, how do you win despite those odds? And I do think

00:39:58.000 that some of the labor gains that we've been seeing across the country, the strike waves, the unionization

00:40:03.000 of all of the Starbuckses, the Yeah.

00:40:04.000 the Amazon victory, the rider strike in California, obviously, the prospective railroad strike that

00:40:11.000 Joe Biden, who claims to be the most union-friendly president since FDR, struck down. That really,

00:40:17.000 I think, illustrates the power of organized labor. And I do think that part of the real thing that

00:40:23.000 buoyed Bernie Sanders' campaign was that he had so much of organized labor behind him,

00:40:27.000 the nurses unions, for example, coming out strongly for him.

00:40:30.000 And we're not seeing that right now.

00:40:32.000 We're seeing all of those old groups that fell in behind Bernie immediately been the need to endorse Joe Biden, despite how anti-union he has demonstrated himself to have been in recent history.

00:40:43.000 And to me, that's much more disappointing than, you know, Rachel Maddow going on some Yeah, I hear you.

00:40:56.000 Cornel West coming on next week, by the way, so make sure you have a little look at that.

00:41:02.000 Brianna, how do you feel about this kind of There's an evident gap between what is declared publicly and what is happening privately, whether it's around the coronavirus pandemic, whether it's the war between Russia and Ukraine, likely outcomes, predicted outcomes, nature of funding, the inability to connect with people in Hawaii, the misstep around the East Palestine disaster that you've mentioned.

00:41:29.000 But most notably, this peculiar and I mean this Sort of, literally.

00:41:34.000 Orwellian inversion of terms like war and peace.

00:41:39.000 Eastern European NATO countries are apparently scared of a peace deal with Ukraine.

00:41:43.000 I'm sure there are political reasons for that, like, oh no, then Russia will come for them next, you know, propaganda.

00:41:47.000 But where do we get off?

00:41:49.000 So like, you know, like claiming that peace oughtn't be desirable,

00:41:53.000 that the United States oughtn't be using their considerable influence to assert

00:41:58.000 that as the most favored outcome.

00:42:01.000 How have we ended up in this place of inversion, distinction, and this lack of connection

00:42:06.000 between ordinary people and those that govern?

00:42:08.000 I mean, the American public has been the victim of a well-funded, harsh propaganda effort

00:42:17.000 since before the end of the Cold War, obviously, and the terms have changed,

00:42:21.000 but the effect has not in the least.

00:42:23.000 And I'm so grateful, again, to have independent media outlets like, for example,

00:42:27.000 The Gray Zone, who has been covering these particular issues,

00:42:30.000 sending reporters to South Africa to cover the BRICS conference

00:42:33.000 and the induction of new members into that economic alliance.

00:42:38.000 I just spoke to Anya Parampil on Bad Faith, my own podcast, recently.

00:42:43.000 And I do think that we are finally breaking through and seeing that the United States,

00:42:48.000 through its own militarism, has sowed the seeds of its own destruction.

00:42:52.000 It has pushed other countries through sanctions and war to a point at which they're no longer willing to bend the knee to a unipolar, American-dominated economic system.

00:43:03.000 And the war in Ukraine was that tipping point in many ways.

00:43:06.000 The global South took the biggest brunt of the consequences of Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe no longer being able to provide goods to the global South.

00:43:17.000 Nord Stream Pipeline, who knows who blew that one up, but the willingness to hurt a stated ally in Germany and a multi-billion dollar infrastructure project in order to force them into allegiances with us against the interests of their own people.

00:43:36.000 All of this is being laid increasingly bare, and the global South, the rest of the world is realizing that they no longer have to bend the knee to the United States.

00:43:44.000 I do think Americans are going to have to unlearn so much of what we've learned about the idea that our personal prosperity and American prosperity is linked to our military might and dominance over the rest of the world.

00:43:57.000 I think China has been modeling different ways to provide Benefit to other countries to secure favorable trade terms, building infrastructure instead of building bombs.

00:44:08.000 And I do think that needs to be more global solidarity and understanding that my interest in the interest of the average Ukrainian citizen, the average Russian citizen and the average Somali citizen are much more aligned with the leadership of all of these countries who are invested in maintaining a system of power where they extract overwhelming percentages of the labor and productivity that working people across the globe are creating through our livelihood.

00:44:33.000 So, you know, I'm optimistic about the mask coming off of what's been going on, but there needs to be a focus again on pushing our prospective and currently elected leaders on what they're going to do about it.

00:44:46.000 There is a lot of rhetoric coming out of the right right now about being anti-war in Ukraine.

00:44:51.000 But when you push particular elected officials in the way that very few journalists do about

00:44:56.000 whether or not they're actually willing to cut the military budget, you often find that

00:44:59.000 they are not.

00:45:00.000 I interviewed Marjorie Taylor Greene on Rising a few months ago, and I asked her that specific

00:45:05.000 question.

00:45:06.000 against the war in Ukraine.

00:45:06.000 Are you against the war in Ukraine?

00:45:08.000 Because it is also being framed as Biden's war, and it's a way to come off as anti-Biden.

00:45:12.000 Are you sincerely anti-war, regardless of who's president, and support a cut to the military budget, the likes of which we basically never had?

00:45:19.000 And she said, no.

00:45:20.000 I like our military.

00:45:21.000 The military needs to go up.

00:45:22.000 We need to support our troops.

00:45:23.000 So those are the kind of questions we need to be asking so that I think a good faith populist anti-war sentiment that is being shared on both the right and the left, the anti-establishment sentiment that's out there isn't going to be exploited by certain bad actors.

00:45:36.000 I would argue Vivek Ramaswamy has similarly said things that would point to an escalation in a war with China despite being critical of the war in Ukraine.

00:45:45.000 So we have to look at the bigger picture here and not allow our sincere desire to be anti-war, to be exploited by people who still take money from the same old people, still take money from the same old corporatists, or independently funded but aren't getting small dollar donations, the likes of which would keep them accountable to the people.

00:46:02.000 We've got to be really circumspect about what people are saying or whether or not they have the bona fides to back up that they're really going to fulfill our populist desires.

00:46:11.000 Brianna, you do such a great work in presenting the nuanced approach that you suggest that all of us take when attempting to address these significant and intersecting issues.

00:46:25.000 Even something as evidently salacious as the topic that we began our conversation with has to be understood, undertaken and analysed from that perspective.

00:46:35.000 What are we talking about when we're talking about power?

00:46:38.000 What are we talking about when we talk about media, independent or otherwise?

00:46:41.000 And what do we mean when we talk about populism and a deliberate and authentic anti-war stance?

00:46:46.000 Thank you so much for joining us, Brianna.

00:46:49.000 It's always a great pleasure to speak with you.

00:46:52.000 The pleasure's mine.

00:46:52.000 Thank you so much.

00:46:53.000 You can catch Brianna Joy Gray on The Hill pretty regular, plus her podcast Bad Faith is worth listening to if you want to hear a different perspective articulately conveyed.

00:47:03.000 And I'm sure, and I can see that you're applauding Brianna in the comments there, you will do just that.

00:47:10.000 Nice one.

00:47:10.000 We got some fantastic stuff coming up over the course of the week.

00:47:14.000 Sam Harris.

00:47:16.000 It has already gone viral, which means that if you are a member of our locals community, you might already have seen it.

00:47:22.000 All you have to do is press the red button and become an Awakened Wonder.

00:47:25.000 Some of you might even get some underpants, or Wonderpants.

00:47:28.000 Awakened Wonderpants, they're being called, is a phenomena in itself.

00:47:32.000 That, along with Vile Slops, our new Designed to compete with prime drink can put you but with a difference don't put lead in your pencil mate.

00:47:42.000 You better believe it That'll give you some a boost where it matters mate.

00:47:46.000 I'll tell you that great interview with Brianna.

00:47:49.000 Oh, okay Yeah, I thought I'd done well tonight.

00:47:51.000 I'm Brianna.

00:47:51.000 Yeah, very good.

00:47:52.000 She's amazing enjoyed it a lot One of the things we're trying to do, you lot, is we want people from the left and the right to come on and sort of, and you start to hear a kind of converging anti-establishment sentiment that gives you some hope instead of, like, when you watch the extremes of both parties as they're sort of known, you think, oh no, man, this is going to be crazy, this is going to be some sort of, well, there's no way of things ever being resolved.

00:48:14.000 Yeah, I thought that was a great point at the end.

00:48:16.000 You know, do we want a decrease in the military budget and spend the money on American people, not just to Ukraine?

00:48:22.000 Or do we want to send it off to military in China?

00:48:24.000 I mean, that's absolutely right.

00:48:26.000 What do you want?

00:48:27.000 What do you think, Hugh Slott, Buck Wench?

00:48:29.000 What do you think, Aso7846?

00:48:31.000 Join us on there, by the way.

00:48:32.000 Guys, you get early access to the interviews, you get meditations, podcasts.

00:48:36.000 It's pretty bloody good.

00:48:38.000 As you can see, we've raised enough money.

00:48:41.000 I've got great news.

00:48:42.000 I'm going to have to be humiliated by an old man.

00:48:45.000 No, I'm not going on a date with Larry Pipkin.

00:48:47.000 I'm going to have a pull-up competition against RFK.

00:48:51.000 Although I may also go on a date with Larry Pipkin.

00:48:54.000 I mean, that dude knows how to party.

00:48:55.000 You could use those wrist straps of his to do this.

00:48:58.000 Actually, Pipkin, I'm going to need them wrist straps.

00:49:02.000 I'm taking an RFK and I might need a little dose of the other stuff to get me over the line.

00:49:08.000 Gee, Russell, you've got a lot thinner in the last couple of reps.

00:49:11.000 Larry, hit me, coach.

00:49:11.000 No, I don't know.

00:49:13.000 Hit me, coach.

00:49:14.000 He looks a lot like Larry.

00:49:17.000 He'll get me over the line.

00:49:21.000 No pun intended.

00:49:22.000 All right.

00:49:23.000 Hey, listen, are you worried about being spied on all the live long day?

00:49:27.000 Are you worried that deep state agencies might be stealing your DNA, even studying your facial expressions?

00:49:33.000 I hope if they study your facial expression right now, you are grinning from ear to ear.

00:49:39.000 Sweet Freedom raining down upon ya, glowing out, effulgence from your heart.

00:49:44.000 You come here to get free, we wanna issue freedom to ya.

00:49:47.000 Who don't want that?

00:49:48.000 The deep state and the corrupt establishment and the legacy media.

00:49:52.000 To hell with a lot of them, although I hope that they will all become enlightened and awakened with you, and perhaps one day we'll see them in awakened wonder pants.

00:49:58.000 Here's the news!

00:49:59.000 No, baby!

00:50:00.000 Here's the effin' news!

00:50:03.000 Here's the news.

00:50:05.000 No.

00:50:06.000 Here's the fuckin' news!

00:50:08.000 Remember when China deployed drones in the pandemic and we all thought, God, they're so dystopian.

00:50:13.000 Well, now they're doing it in New York and you're paying for it.

00:50:18.000 We have got to do something together in order to make this a better world by personally awaking.

00:50:24.000 Otherwise these dystopic forces, these elite establishment cartels that are gathering around us like a technocratic storm, will deluge us in their dreadful power.

00:50:34.000 The NYPD are now using drones to spy on you on Labor Day.

00:50:40.000 Obviously for your security and safety.

00:50:42.000 I don't know like how that could help.

00:50:43.000 Oh no!

00:50:44.000 They dropped a hot dog!

00:50:45.000 Quick, get that out of the grill!

00:50:47.000 It could be saved!

00:50:48.000 I quite like the burned ones!

00:50:49.000 What's it gonna do that's gonna benefit anyone out there?

00:50:51.000 Hey, if you want to come and see me in a few intimate shows this month in September,

00:50:55.000 there are a handful of tickets available.

00:50:57.000 There's a link in the description below.

00:50:58.000 Come and see me.

00:51:00.000 Let's get into this story.

00:51:01.000 Do you want to pay for this police state that's being normalized?

00:51:04.000 Digi-dogs, drones, surveillance, taking your digital data, using your biometrics, it's being normalized around you.

00:51:11.000 The rate of change is extraordinary.

00:51:12.000 I remember when I saw one of those drones in China, I was like,

00:51:15.000 no, man, no, this ain't right, baby.

00:51:17.000 No, this is Paul Verhoeven shit.

00:51:19.000 I'm not standing for this RoboCop crap.

00:51:21.000 And I was just like, you know, you just sit in your garden eating Cheetos while drones tell you what to do.

00:51:26.000 You've got too much cheese dust on your finger.

00:51:28.000 Sorry, drone.

00:51:29.000 Don't lick that like that, you pervert.

00:51:32.000 Actually, I was eating them with the other hand.

00:51:34.000 Let's have a look at how the mainstream media are bringing you news of the arrival of this Huxleyan...

00:51:38.000 Nightmare.

00:51:39.000 People will also be attending outdoor parties and big parades over this last weekend of the summer season.

00:51:44.000 And the NYPD will be watching out for trouble in a whole new way, using surveillance drones meant to respond faster than officers.

00:51:51.000 Faster.

00:51:52.000 That's what they're meant to do.

00:51:53.000 They're meant to respond faster.

00:51:54.000 I bet there have been news stories for a while in New York, I'm not there, but all they're like going, NYPD response times are getting longer.

00:52:01.000 They've prepped you with that, right?

00:52:02.000 That's what they do in our country.

00:52:03.000 Phrases, you can't get the police to come if there's a burglary, that kind of thing.

00:52:07.000 And then they'll go, how about if a drone comes?

00:52:09.000 Oh God, all right, just send something then.

00:52:11.000 Send Robocop, send R2D2, just send somebody for this burglary.

00:52:15.000 CBS News Elijah Westbrook joins us live here in the studio with more on this, Elijah.

00:52:19.000 That's right, well you know Chris and Mary, essentially when you look at it, these drones are the eyes and ears from the skies.

00:52:23.000 Rich is disgusted.

00:52:24.000 Who wants eyes and ears from the sky?

00:52:27.000 I mean, in the Bible, when it's, like, locusts and frogs, it's pretty disturbing.

00:52:29.000 Don't ears and snouts.

00:52:31.000 We're gonna sniff you from the sky to make sure you're washing your butt properly.

00:52:36.000 What do you mean, properly?

00:52:37.000 Give me a sniff.

00:52:37.000 I don't know.

00:52:38.000 Not bad.

00:52:39.000 Not bad.

00:52:40.000 Have another hot dog.

00:52:41.000 Don't put it there.

00:52:43.000 Hovering over parties and large festivities aimed at keeping people safe, of course.

00:52:48.000 Oh, okay.

00:52:48.000 Aimed at keeping people safe, of course.

00:52:50.000 It's almost like he remembered while doing it that this is meant to be propaganda for the state.

00:52:54.000 This is all the news is.

00:52:55.000 It preps you and grooms you and normalizes increasing authoritarianism.

00:53:00.000 And eases the new measures into your consciousness in a way that stops you rejecting them like a stranger's kidney from the sky.

00:53:07.000 Now police say, for example, they get a 311 complaint about loud music at a house party.

00:53:12.000 The idea is to deploy the drone and pre-screen what is happening at that location.

00:53:17.000 Prescreen.

00:53:18.000 It's only a preparatory measure.

00:53:20.000 It's only a couple of weeks to flatten the curve and to stop the spread.

00:53:23.000 What I would say is, if you're a member of the police force, is them drones are coming for your job next.

00:53:27.000 That'll be the next thing.

00:53:28.000 Entirely automated police forces of digidogs and drones.

00:53:32.000 And then the last hope we have that the police force and the military are made up of men and women just like us from the same communities that we came from and that when it comes to the day when they go we don't need them anymore we've got AI everything kill them they might go oh that's my cousin that's my auntie that will be gone yes digidog will comply digidog will obey

00:53:54.000 Now the drones are said to be equipped with audio devices and speakers that are operated by officers on the ground.

00:54:00.000 Audio devices and speakers?

00:54:02.000 They're gonna hover above your Labor Day party.

00:54:04.000 I hope you enjoyed Labor Day, by the way.

00:54:05.000 Or whatever it is next.

00:54:07.000 Halloween.

00:54:07.000 Whatever.

00:54:08.000 Some peaceful protest.

00:54:09.000 Not peaceful enough.

00:54:11.000 Some other activity.

00:54:12.000 This is where they normalise it.

00:54:13.000 Where they introduce you to it.

00:54:14.000 Slowly, slowly.

00:54:16.000 Easing it in.

00:54:17.000 Like the media equivalent of Saucy How's Your Father.

00:54:20.000 What the fuck is Saucy How's Your Father?

00:54:23.000 Watch a carry-on film.

00:54:23.000 Look it up.

00:54:24.000 Those officers are also able to play a live or pre-recorded message and ask for compliance with, let's say, turning down the music before cops arrive.

00:54:33.000 Now, the NYPD says this tactic was used in June during the city's pride parade.

00:54:37.000 That hat is too elaborate and dangerous!

00:54:39.000 But it's pride!

00:54:40.000 Not that much pride!

00:54:41.000 Where hundreds of people gathered inside Washington Square Park.

00:54:45.000 They say within 10 minutes the park was cleared without having to send out additional officers

00:54:50.000 into the crowd.

00:54:51.000 We've been trained to be obedient not only to abstract authority or the messaging of

00:54:56.000 the media, but now in the streets the agents of authority can now just fly above your garden

00:55:02.000 or your yard and tell you what to do.

00:55:04.000 to do. I say that we have to have a type of obedience to a higher cause, a higher principle,

00:55:09.000 but being obedient to this kind of authoritarianism will be our downfall. We have to learn to

00:55:14.000 disobey this kind of authoritarianism. As Al Gandhi said, I may be disobeying your law,

00:55:18.000 but I answer to a higher law.

00:55:20.000 And here's something that's interesting. Police also tell us there's warnings being sent out

00:55:23.000 to gang members to be on their best behavior.

00:55:26.000 Look at the extraordinary scope of NYPD policing methods.

00:55:30.000 Very, very high-tech, dystopic, Orwellian surveillance drones in your yard, booming down on you that you're overcooking your buns, to the most antiquated, extraordinary, Age of Innocence-style inscriptions.

00:55:44.000 Cops have sent letters to the homes of about 40 people who are on record as a known gang member from the area.

00:55:51.000 Dear gang members, I hope all is well with you.

00:55:54.000 The weather here is fine.

00:55:56.000 Hope all is well with your gangs and your numerous homies.

00:56:00.000 May we ask you to party sensibly during the holiday and riot season.

00:56:06.000 Yours sincerely, NYPD.

00:56:08.000 I think there's a mail strike on.

00:56:09.000 Ah, drop it off by drone!

00:56:11.000 We're told the letter informs them they have been identified and will face scrutiny.

00:56:16.000 You know what these gang members fear above all else?

00:56:19.000 Being murdered like so many of their friends?

00:56:22.000 No.

00:56:22.000 Scrutiny.

00:56:23.000 Nobody likes to be scrutinized.

00:56:27.000 The scrutiny!

00:56:27.000 Ah!

00:56:28.000 The scrutiny!

00:56:32.000 When this happened in China a couple of years ago, when we're all being introduced to the idea of centralised authoritarianism being induced and monitored by surveillance methods, I thought this looked terrifying.

00:56:41.000 I remember, like, watching this in something akin to awe.

00:56:44.000 We gathered round our screens.

00:56:44.000 Oh, my God.

00:56:46.000 Look at this.

00:56:46.000 They're just, like, drones shouting at Chinese folks, telling them to stay in their house.

00:56:49.000 Now, it's happening in, like, New York, where Midnight Cowboy, Scorsese, Jay-Z.

00:56:56.000 Drones!

00:56:57.000 What we're inviting you to consider, and let me know how you feel about this in the comments, is the rate of change.

00:57:01.000 That something that was extraordinary in China two years ago is normal in New York City.

00:57:07.000 Can you please use that to create an equation in your own head for what the rate of progress going forward might be?

00:57:13.000 Of course they're not going to just go, oh there's digidogs outside your house or telling you what to do.

00:57:17.000 First it'll be, the digidogs are helping out at a soup kitchen over Christmas.

00:57:21.000 The digidogs turned up at this parade.

00:57:23.000 They had their own And then it's like, oh, for some reason or another, climate, pandemic, whatever it is this time, you've all got to stay in your homes.

00:57:30.000 Do listen to the Digidog.

00:57:31.000 There's a Digidog coming around to give you an injection or taxi or whatever it'll be.

00:57:35.000 Mark my words.

00:57:36.000 I've said it on video now.

00:57:37.000 Check the bait.

00:57:38.000 Let us know in the comments if you agree.

00:57:39.000 Let's scrutinize this story as if it were a gang member and put the fear of God into it.

00:57:44.000 Meanwhile, Customs and Border Protection, CBP, which is part of the Department of Homeland Security, DHS, have refined their surveillance operations by including detection of sentiment and emotion by using AI-powered software.

00:57:59.000 Sentiment and emotion, like sort of inner states, the archetypal inner organs of your life, are being evaluated by government agencies now.

00:58:08.000 To what end?

00:58:09.000 Well, to help you, of course, and to keep you safe, I assume.

00:58:12.000 Those targeted by the software, targeted, are travellers either arriving to or leaving the US who are considered a potential threat to a fairly wide range of interests, public and national security, trade and travel.

00:58:24.000 They're introducing it with a community that they don't imagine will have much support.

00:58:27.000 Migrants.

00:58:27.000 Whether you are pro or anti-migrants, whether you're concerned about migration or not, let me know in the comments.

00:58:32.000 Surely you will agree that this is a community that will be an easy way to pilot This is just people that are coming into our country, we've got to monitor their sentiments and facial expressions.

00:58:42.000 You think that that's going to be the end of it?

00:58:43.000 Have you ever experienced anything lately where it was introduced for a short time and then prolonged, whether it's the Patriot Act or measures around the pandemic?

00:58:50.000 Do you really believe that your government and its corporate partners have the discipline and goodwill to use this stuff judiciously?

00:58:58.000 Do you have that kind of trust?

00:59:00.000 Let me know in the comments.

00:59:01.000 And these persons of interest That sounds so innocuous.

00:59:04.000 You're a person of interest.

00:59:05.000 We're going to scrutinise you.

00:59:08.000 Strange facial expression.

00:59:10.000 Rejecting scrutiny.

00:59:12.000 I don't like being scrutinised.

00:59:13.000 Why's that?

00:59:14.000 Scrutinise further.

00:59:15.000 Scrutinise further.

00:59:17.000 Person of interest.

00:59:18.000 A person of interest can be foreign and US citizens alike.

00:59:22.000 Imagine a Venn diagram like Kamala Harris.

00:59:24.000 Okay, so it could be foreign people, that's these people, and American people, that's these people.

00:59:29.000 So you mean everyone?

00:59:31.000 Well, I suppose you are either American or not American.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, that's everyone.

00:59:35.000 Even aliens, that includes.

00:59:37.000 And the digidogs themselves.

00:59:39.000 In what other ways are American state agencies that you fund competing with Chinese dystopic measures?

00:59:46.000 Let's find out.

00:59:47.000 The FBI have amassed 21.7 million DNA profiles, equivalent to about 7% of the US population, according to Bureau data reviewed by The Intercept.

00:59:57.000 The FBI aims to nearly double its current $56.7 million budget for dealing with its DNA catalogue, with an additional $53.1 million according to its budget request for fiscal year 2024.

01:00:08.000 The requested resources will allow the FBI to process the rapidly increasing number of DNA samples collected by the U.S.

01:00:13.000 Department of Homeland Security, the appeal for an increase says.

01:00:16.000 In an April 2023 statement submitted to Congress to explain the budget request, FBI Director Christopher Wray cited several factors that had significantly expanded the DNA processing requirements of the FBI.

01:00:27.000 He said the FBI collected around 90,000 samples a month, Over 10 times the historical sample volume, and expected that number to swell to about 120,000 a month, totaling about 1.5 million new DNA samples a year.

01:00:39.000 The FBI declined to comment on this.

01:00:41.000 There are several presidential candidates that are saying that the FBI should be disbanded.

01:00:46.000 We know that FBI whistleblowers have said that the January 6th investigation, for example, was handled badly.

01:00:51.000 How much do you trust deep state agencies like the FBI and CIA with your genetic information?

01:00:57.000 Can you envisage a situation where they had total access to your data And then maybe the ability to shut down your bank accounts and the ability to fly drones over your house.

01:01:05.000 Oh, you're paranoid.

01:01:06.000 You're paranoid.

01:01:07.000 No, I'm not.

01:01:07.000 I'm just looking at this information and offering a prognosis before it's too late.

01:01:12.000 What's not paranoid then?

01:01:13.000 Oh, it's just waiting to see what they're doing.

01:01:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:01:15.000 Is it paranoid to imagine that wars might have a motivation other than humanitarian motivation when all other wars in the past, since the Second World War, let's say, have had precisely that motivation?

01:01:23.000 Is it paranoid to imagine that this technology might end up being used to control the population when what's being offered is security and service?

01:01:30.000 Is that paranoid?

01:01:31.000 Am I paranoid?

01:01:32.000 Let me know!

01:01:33.000 The staggering increases are raising questions among civil liberties advocates.

01:01:37.000 When we're talking about rapid expansion like this, it's getting us ever closer to a universal DNA database.

01:01:43.000 Nice ring to it.

01:01:44.000 Vera Eidelman, a staff attorney at the American Civil Liberties Union who specializes in genetic privacy.

01:01:50.000 God, that's a thing now.

01:01:51.000 Told The Intercept.

01:01:52.000 The FBI began building a DNA database as early as 1990.

01:01:55.000 By 1998, it helped create a national database called Combined DNA Index Systems, or CODIS, that spanned all 50 states.

01:02:03.000 Each state maintained its own database, with police or other authorities submitting samples based on their state's rules, and CODIS allowed all the states to search across the entire country.

01:02:12.000 At first, the collection of data was limited to DNA from people convicted of crimes, from crime scenes, and from unidentified remains.

01:02:19.000 Why don't you consult Edward Snowden for a few seconds and see if he thinks this could be misused down the line.

01:02:25.000 Let Edward Snowden tell you how government agencies have historically used this type of information and whether or not you want to give those same agencies increased powers of surveillance, observation and control.

01:02:38.000 Even those categories were controversial at the time.

01:02:40.000 When CODIS was launched nationally, most states did not submit DNA from all people convicted of felonies.

01:02:45.000 The only point of consensus among the state's collection program was to take DNA from convicted sex offenders.

01:02:51.000 That's how it starts.

01:02:52.000 You start with something that seems perfectly reasonable.

01:02:54.000 Well, wouldn't it be good to monitor sex offenders and to know where they're moving and what they're gonna be doing?

01:02:58.000 Yes.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, I would like to know that.

01:02:59.000 God, I've got kids, Jesus, yes, of course, of course, I'm concerned about people.

01:03:03.000 Right, what about, and then, everyone!

01:03:06.000 If you look back when CODIS was established, it was original for violent or sexual offenders.

01:03:10.000 Anna Lewis, a Harvard researcher who specializes in the ethical implications of genetic research, told The Intercept, The ACLU warned that this was going to be a slippery slope, and that's indeed what we've seen.

01:03:20.000 Today, police have the authority to take DNA samples from anyone sentenced for a felony charge.

01:03:25.000 In 28 states, police can take DNA samples from suspects arrested for felonies but who have not been convicted of any crime.

01:03:32.000 Not been convicted of any crime.

01:03:34.000 Now, we've gone from sex offenders to not convicted of any crime.

01:03:38.000 Oh!

01:03:39.000 In some cases, police offer plea deals to reduce felony charges to misdemeanor offenses in exchange for DNA samples.

01:03:45.000 How fantastic.

01:03:47.000 Oh, felony charge, that doesn't look good.

01:03:48.000 That carries a mandatory 5 to 10.

01:03:50.000 Oh, well, I'm innocent, but God, the judiciary's so crazy.

01:03:53.000 What if we were to change it to a misdemeanor?

01:03:55.000 Oh, I suppose so.

01:03:56.000 Is there anything you need from me?

01:03:58.000 Yeah, I need you just to look out the window for a moment.

01:04:02.000 Oh, would that be all?

01:04:04.000 That'll be all for now.

01:04:05.000 Could I at least get a cuddle?

01:04:07.000 No cuddles.

01:04:08.000 It changed massively, Lewis said, over the rules and regulations around government DNA collection.

01:04:12.000 You only have to be a person of interest to end up in these databases.

01:04:15.000 That's anyone!

01:04:16.000 Anyone can become a person of interest.

01:04:18.000 You could be like, oh, you're unvaccinated.

01:04:20.000 Oh, you have this religion.

01:04:22.000 Oh, you have this cultural identity.

01:04:23.000 You attended this march.

01:04:24.000 You supported this campaign.

01:04:26.000 We had to investigate your bank account.

01:04:28.000 That's why I think we're creating a climate of cynicism and suspicion and doubt and oppositionism and guilt and shame.

01:04:33.000 No one's perfect.

01:04:34.000 Everyone's got flaws.

01:04:36.000 Everyone's made mistakes.

01:04:37.000 You know, the whole culture is gearing towards a kind of mentality of condemnation, a removal

01:04:43.000 of ambiguity and nuance in favour of centralised authoritarianism.

01:04:48.000 Unless there is the possibility for redemption, unless there is the possibility for conversation,

01:04:51.000 unless there is the possibility for true consensus, government by consensus, that's what democracy

01:04:56.000 ultimately means, isn't it?

01:04:57.000 Well, if we want to, we'll vote for it and then you'll do it.

01:04:59.000 Unless we get that, unless we return to that fast, we're all criminals.

01:05:03.000 The database is likely to continue proliferating as DNA technology becomes more sophisticated,

01:05:07.000 Lewis explained, pointing to the advent of environmental DNA which allows for DNA to

01:05:12.000 be collected from ambient settings like wastewater or air.

01:05:15.000 Oh my God, so someone might follow you into the toilet.

01:05:17.000 Hey, I'd leave that a minute if I was you.

01:05:19.000 No, thank you.

01:05:20.000 I'll get everything I need.

01:05:21.000 You should be ashamed of yourself.

01:05:24.000 It's all going in the database.

01:05:26.000 And I'll have that air as well.

01:05:27.000 Hey, you're meant to be standing eight feet away.

01:05:30.000 We just made that up.

01:05:32.000 Just by breathing, you're discarding DNA in a way that can be traced back to you, Lewis said.

01:05:36.000 Oh, good.

01:05:37.000 So all we have to do to avoid being on a database is stop breathing.

01:05:41.000 Goodnight!

01:05:42.000 While this might sound like science fiction, the federal government has already embraced the technology.

01:05:48.000 Lovely sweet authority!

01:05:51.000 In May, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which I didn't even know existed, offered a contract for laboratory services to assist with autonomously collected eDNA testing.

01:06:01.000 Environmental DNA testing based on samples that are no longer even manually collected.

01:06:06.000 Amazing!

01:06:06.000 Stop cooking those hot dogs!

01:06:08.000 Stop making that noise!

01:06:10.000 And also, we'll have some of that DNA, you bastards!

01:06:13.000 Meanwhile, we would like to invite the Crips and Bloods to join us for a soiree!

01:06:17.000 Until recently, the U.S.

01:06:18.000 DNA database surpassed even that of authoritarian China, which launched an ambitious DNA collection program in 2017.

01:06:25.000 That year, the BBC reported the U.S.

01:06:27.000 had about 4% of its population's DNA, while China had about 3%.

01:06:30.000 Worse than China.

01:06:31.000 China.

01:06:31.000 Worse.

01:06:31.000 Than.

01:06:32.000 China.

01:06:34.000 China!

01:06:35.000 Since then, China announced a plan aimed at collecting between 5 and 10% of its male population's DNA, according to a 2020 study cited by the New York Times.

01:06:43.000 You start to see what the role of fear is in all of this.

01:06:45.000 If you're continually anxious and fearful, and let me know in the comments if you are, you're much more inclined to accommodate measures that are intrusive.

01:06:53.000 Do you want males committing crimes?

01:06:55.000 Are you worried about your children?

01:06:57.000 Are you worried generally?

01:06:57.000 Yes.

01:06:58.000 There's more crime happening, isn't there?

01:06:59.000 Do you feel a bit more afraid in the environment?

01:07:01.000 There's a lot of things to worry about.

01:07:02.000 We're going to need to take these measures.

01:07:04.000 In order to legitimise authority, you have to generate fear.

01:07:07.000 Do you see how that's what's happening?

01:07:09.000 If you feel robust, happy, healthy, connected to a community, connected to yourself, connected to nature, you're less inclined to be reaching out for some mummy, daddy, authoritarian state that claims it's going to look after you when normally it's looking after itself and its corporate partners.

01:07:24.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree.

01:07:25.000 China has a record of abusing its DNA database for surveillance and crackdowns on dissent.

01:07:29.000 And there we are.

01:07:30.000 We've arrived at the destination.

01:07:32.000 We start with safety and security and helping you and police officers arriving more quickly on the scene and pre-screening.

01:07:40.000 I want to ask you, sir, are you worried about sex criminals?

01:07:42.000 My God, yeah.

01:07:43.000 Jesus, we're all worried about sex criminals.

01:07:45.000 Exactly.

01:07:45.000 And then where do we end up?

01:07:47.000 Dissent.

01:07:47.000 We're all criminalised.

01:07:49.000 We're criminalised by virtue of our individual freedom.

01:07:52.000 Your liberty is being classified as a crime.

01:07:55.000 All they have to do to justify authoritarianism is create the conditions where authoritarianism is the only option.

01:08:02.000 We have to have authority because of war, because of climate change, because of pandemic, because of everyone.

01:08:09.000 If you are unafraid If you are individually awake and willing to take responsibility for your own life and the life of your community, if there's something in your life that means more to you than your ability to accrue commodities and engage commercially, then you are a problem.

01:08:25.000 And I recommend you become one.

01:08:26.000 The efforts have been aided by American technology and expertise.

01:08:29.000 Well, that's interesting.

01:08:30.000 China, who are being framed as an enemy geopolitically when it comes to semiconductors and Taiwan, are allies here.

01:08:36.000 I wonder if America and China have been collaborating in other ways in recent years, in other experiments that involve DNA and technology.

01:08:43.000 Let me know in the comments if you've heard anything like that.

01:08:45.000 I mean, I don't know.

01:08:45.000 Whereas DNA analysis once had to be conducted in a lab by a cumbersome manual process of manually matching DNA strands that took months, the process has since been fully automated.

01:08:55.000 Under rapid DNA analysis, a DNA profile can be developed in one to two hours after a simple swab of one's inner cheek without a lab or human involvement.

01:09:03.000 It's not like the last couple of years we've all been swabbing ourselves in the nose or inner cheek and having that conduct normalized and sending it over.

01:09:12.000 Oh shit.

01:09:13.000 When surveillance technology gets cheaper, easier, and faster to use, said Adelman of the ACLU, it tends to get used more, often in ways that are troubling.

01:09:21.000 We're continually sold that technological advances will benefit us, and certainly I love my technological devices.

01:09:26.000 I love being able to communicate with you right now.

01:09:28.000 It means the world to me.

01:09:29.000 But we have to be aware that this technology usually benefit the most powerful institutions the most, whether that's corporate or state institutions.

01:09:37.000 They're the ones that are going to be able to fast track this technology.

01:09:39.000 They're the ones with an agenda to assert control and to create the conditions that require control.

01:09:43.000 They're the ones that are pushing for this stuff.

01:09:45.000 I am not a Luddite.

01:09:47.000 Or am I a Rousseauian worshipper of the nobility of savagery?

01:09:50.000 But I do believe that we have to remain connected to nature, and we have to be mindful about the way that technology is used.

01:09:56.000 Quite simply, technology is a tool, like language is a tool, and we have to use these tools for our mutual benefit, for our individual awakening, for the advancement of our kind, for the love of God.

01:10:06.000 And in a godless society, where do we go?

01:10:08.000 Well, I'll tell you where we go.

01:10:09.000 To prison!

01:10:10.000 Because you're guilty of breathing.

01:10:11.000 In 2021, the FBI touted as a major milestone the contribution of its 20 millionth DNA profile to the National DNA Database, calling it one of the most successful investigative tools available to U.S.

01:10:24.000 law enforcement.

01:10:25.000 Unbelievable.

01:10:26.000 It's a milestone, all right, and there are a few more miles to cover, but, I mean, who's going to prevent them from covering those miles unless the FBI does get disbanded?

01:10:35.000 Let me know in the comments what you think.

01:10:36.000 While DNA has played an important role in prosecuting crimes, less than 3% of the profiles have assisted in cases the Bureau's data reveals.

01:10:43.000 By comparison, fingerprints collected by the FBI from current and former federal employees link them to crimes at a rate of 12% each year.

01:10:50.000 The Bureau testified in 2004 when fingerprint technology was far less sophisticated.

01:10:55.000 So statistically, this research is not as effective as fingerprinting.

01:10:59.000 For civil liberties advocates, a government database of everyone's DNA would be rife for abuses.

01:11:04.000 A universal database really just would subvert our ideas of autonomy and freedom and the presumption of innocence.

01:11:09.000 Do you feel that happening everywhere?

01:11:11.000 That it really now is guilty until proven innocent?

01:11:14.000 That all of us are guilty in some way of saying the wrong thing, of thinking the wrong thoughts, of breathing in the wrong place, of leaving our dirty water accessible to analysis?

01:11:23.000 Once this technology exists, they won't be able to resist using it.

01:11:27.000 It would be saying that it makes sense for the government to track us at any time based on our private information, Eidelman told The Intercept, adding that DNA collection presents specific risks to privacy.

01:11:36.000 Our DNA is personal and sensitive.

01:11:38.000 It can expose our propensity for serious health conditions, family members, and ancestry.

01:11:43.000 So there you are, a package of stories that indicate that what was regarded as impossible and dystopic just a couple of years ago, and what could be seen as a miracle of human advancement, are becoming tools of authoritarianism.

01:11:57.000 That your DNA, your time in your garden, your facial expressions, all could be used to create profiles of you, And the gradient from clear criminality to person of interest has already been traversed.

01:12:10.000 Your freedom is being criminalised.

01:12:13.000 Your liberty is a cause for their concern.

01:12:16.000 We have to learn to be disobedient.

01:12:18.000 We have to learn to not comply.

01:12:21.000 We have to learn to form new alliances with one another that Transcend their tendency to separate us and turn us against one another because they have the tools for dystopia now.

01:12:31.000 They're creating the legislation.

01:12:33.000 As far as I know, they're building the gulags and the jails.

01:12:36.000 We have to resist together.

01:12:38.000 But that's just what I think.

01:12:39.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the chat?

01:12:41.000 And if you're in the UK, come see me.

01:12:43.000 I'm doing a handful of live shows.

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