Stay Free - Russel Brand - "WE’RE BEING CHOKED!!" - COVID Lockdown Censorship Was JUST THE START! With Neil Oliver - SF 439

00:00:00.000 So, I'm going to go ahead and start the video.

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00:02:20.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:02:32.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:02:33.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand and what a special edition it is.

00:02:37.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be there for the first 15 minutes.

00:02:40.000 Why?

00:02:41.000 Because they're censoring people, they're banning people, they're trying to create a dystopia of disinformation over there.

00:02:46.000 The irony where disinformation and misinformation is usually what's used to legitimize further censure and control.

00:02:53.000 Why is it a special show?

00:02:54.000 Because of the presence of Neil Oliver.

00:02:57.000 He and I will go on a journey and a voyage together, communicating on a variety of subjects that I know you're interested in.

00:03:03.000 Authenticity, truth, dystopia, centralized technological power.

00:03:07.000 Thanks for joining us, Neil.

00:03:08.000 I'm delighted to be here.

00:03:09.000 I've been violating community guidelines.

00:03:12.000 You are a violation of community guidelines.

00:03:14.000 I'm so sorry.

00:03:15.000 What you should be is locked up.

00:03:16.000 Now when Trump fans sing Lock Her Up, even though I like anthems, I've always been a fan of anthems, I like the behaviour of crowds, I find it interesting, I like football, Crowds.

00:03:27.000 I like the kind of raucous banter.

00:03:29.000 Not a fan, of course, of violence.

00:03:30.000 We'll talk about that later.

00:03:32.000 But look how delighted Hillary looks when she's not the recipient or the target of the lock up charges, but somehow the beneficiary. 0.53

00:03:41.000 It's just another example of how there are no real principles at the heart of this movement.

00:03:44.000 Just utility.

00:03:45.000 Nothing means anything.

00:03:46.000 It's not what I... Do as I say, not as I do.

00:03:49.000 As long as it's not happening to them, it's fine.

00:03:50.000 If it's happening to somebody else, excellent.

00:03:52.000 Lock him up!

00:03:54.000 Donald Trump fell asleep at his own trial.

00:03:57.000 And when he woke up, he made his own kind of history.

00:04:01.000 the first person to run for president with 34 felony convictions.

00:04:08.000 As vice president and as a member of the American people, I am proud to be a member

00:04:15.000 as vice president and...

00:04:19.000 as vice president kamala sat in the situation room what do you feel when you see that neil

00:04:37.000 Now, booboo-do-booboo-do. 1.00

00:04:38.000 Would someone, surely, rather than stoking the being of a Crowd as though they were a gladiatorial event.

00:04:51.000 Wouldn't it have been, wasn't there a form of words that might have come from a statesman?

00:04:57.000 Something statesman-like that would have taken on board and made something of the fact that the passion in the room, the strength of feeling was understandable.

00:05:09.000 But that now was the time to look back and reflect and to see that there are strategies and performances and forms of words that are best avoided.

00:05:20.000 And while I understand, I can understand why here in this pressure cooker atmosphere of the convention, feelings are running high.

00:05:30.000 It's always time and there's always an opportunity to find a better way and let's just find a better way.

00:05:36.000 Do you know, there are ways in which rather than just pouring petrol in the fire by grinning like a Cheshire cat, that it's infantile.

00:05:45.000 A statesman would have handled that differently.

00:05:48.000 Because I suppose there is no meaning at the core and no principles that are being followed, it's difficult to have reference even to what you're describing, which is a kind of a moral sensibility and statesmanship that is absent entirely from this space.

00:06:03.000 Some of us might have thought at the RNC, well, Hulk Hogan, this thing's crazy, but what's the difference?

00:06:08.000 It's just aesthetics.

00:06:10.000 At this point, to some degree. 0.64

00:06:12.000 And to further illustrate that hypocrisy, here's J.B.

00:06:15.000 Pritzker, who many believe appears on some interesting lists and in some curious address books.

00:06:21.000 Certainly, I've heard that mentioned by some sources.

00:06:24.000 I'm not willing to elaborate further on that, but if people ask me, it could be any number of lists or address books.

00:06:30.000 Let's have a look at J.B.

00:06:32.000 Pritzker saying, quite plainly and clearly, that some billionaires are better than others.

00:06:39.000 Donald Trump thinks that we should trust him on the economy because he claims to be very rich.

00:06:46.000 but take it from an actual billionaire.

00:06:49.000 Trump is rich in only one thing. 1.00

00:06:59.000 Stupidity! 1.00

00:07:02.000 Not a good enough outline. 1.00

00:07:04.000 And also, what does that suggest to you, mate?

00:07:06.000 Well, obviously you can see why some people consider him numero uno, because he may well be one of a kind in certain respects.

00:07:15.000 But again, again, why would you take such a line?

00:07:21.000 Why would you say, yes it is money that matters, it's all about money and I'm your kind of billionaire and it's okay to be this kind of billionaire if you're going to do the things that we will do to get back into power.

00:07:34.000 That's just naked abuse of power and position and money. 0.82

00:07:39.000 Again, would somebody not have said, it's not about the money.

00:07:43.000 It's about meaning.

00:07:45.000 It's about sincerity.

00:07:46.000 It's about believing in something and if you can convince other people of the sincerity of your belief then they will come with you.

00:07:53.000 Even if you don't have a penny in your pocket?

00:07:55.000 Is that not the kind of line that people might be inspired by, rather than saying, yeah, yeah, he's a rubbish billionaire, I'm an excellent one?

00:08:02.000 If there were ethics and principles at the core of this movement then that would be possible and maybe even likely, but what I suppose we're offering you is the idea that this is a spectacle with very little beneath it except for the naked pursuit of power.

00:08:16.000 Frankly, I'm thankful that JB Pritzker himself was not naked.

00:08:20.000 Here is a terrifying announcement from our island about Operation Early Dawn.

00:08:27.000 I'm sure you'll be familiar with this, Neil.

00:08:29.000 This is the early release of current prisoners in order to make way for new prisoners for new crimes, for crimes that have as yet to have been invented, perhaps.

00:08:40.000 We will guarantee a prison cell.

00:08:41.000 We will make sure that those people who need to be in prison, will be in prison.

00:08:46.000 Not necessarily in the area where they live, they may be two, three hundred miles away from home, but we will guarantee people a prison cell. 0.92

00:08:54.000 The numbers all suit.

00:08:55.000 There is a prison for everyone, and if a crime doesn't exist to arrest you with yet, we'll bloody well think of one.

00:09:02.000 Have you been following that, Neil?

00:09:03.000 Yeah, there's plenty of examples online, you know, a justice, a judge or whatever, you know, reading out the Facebook posting of a man saying, well, words to the effect that he didn't want his tax spent on illegal immigrants when there were homeless people on the streets and so on and so on, but voicing opposition to the presence of large numbers of illegal immigrants. 0.69

00:09:31.000 And the judge said it was such a serious offence that a custodial sentence was unavoidable.

00:09:35.000 20 months.

00:09:37.000 20 months in jail for something they put on Facebook.

00:09:39.000 And yet, at the same time, running in parallel is talk of, you know, potentially people guilty of actual violent crime being allowed out to make space for, well, political prisoners and enemies of the state is really what we're being told here.

00:09:55.000 That people that have just done run-of-the-mill things like hit somebody over the head with a bottle, or whatever, need not necessarily be in jail.

00:10:02.000 But if you have dissented, if you have spoken out, if you have said things that don't chime with the official narrative, then it's a prison cell for you, hundreds of miles from home.

00:10:14.000 Neil Oliver, if you're not familiar with him, is known as the Coast Guy on X. He is a writer and podcaster.

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00:10:49.000 We analyse stand-up comedy over there.

00:10:51.000 This week I've been looking at some of Rowan Atkinson's brilliant comedy, inspired by the resurfacing clip of him Expressing his deep concern about the sudden emergence of censorship that would have been unthinkable in the 80s and 90s when he was practicing some of his greatest work, although he continues to be magnificent and brilliant.

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00:11:10.000 Me and Neil are going to be cutting up the rug verbally, and I don't know, maybe literally, if the opportunity to doubt emerges.

00:11:18.000 See you in a few seconds.

00:11:20.000 Neil, it's so lovely to have the opportunity to speak with you in person.

00:11:24.000 I enjoyed our rural drive here as well and we didn't discuss our wardrobe and we've known for some time about our haircuts and beards.

00:11:35.000 Do you think that if an alien force were to land and to conduct a kind of culling, they probably would determine quite quickly that they didn't need both of us?

00:11:48.000 Well, as I've said before, I look as if I've been made with the bits left over from the larger pie that was you.

00:11:54.000 I don't think that's... I've been made out of the little bits that got cut off around the rim.

00:11:58.000 I've already observed the areas in which you have benefited and that you have superseded me.

00:12:05.000 Root uplift and maybe follicle density being but two.

00:12:09.000 I've always been, well not always, but from my late teens onwards I've always had longer hair and yet even now, aged 57, anytime anything is written about me it always mentions the fact that I've got, you know, Hair on my head, and it's amazing how it's sustained as a point of interest.

00:12:30.000 It's odd, isn't it?

00:12:31.000 Because this is what happens if you leave it alone.

00:12:33.000 It's the other type of haircut that is an intervention.

00:12:38.000 I wonder if you've spent much time thinking about archetypes.

00:12:42.000 The archetype of the wild man, the green man, the hairy man, they crop up in folk tales and myths.

00:12:48.000 Is that adjacent to your area of expertise?

00:12:50.000 Do you think, well, do you think it is some sort of response to other stimuli?

00:12:55.000 Because I have noticed more of it.

00:12:59.000 There's a guy that we both know, I had him on my podcast, I talked to, he is Viva Frey, David Fryhite.

00:13:08.000 When I first encountered David he was clean shaven and short haired.

00:13:13.000 And by now he looks like this.

00:13:16.000 And there are many other examples of it and I do wonder at the extent to which maybe there's been some sort of response to the situation, to the stresses and strains, to the tightening of the leash that has encouraged more males to Get a bit shaggier than they would ever have been under other circumstances.

00:13:35.000 My shagginess has been reduced, I will tell you that, by a number of external factors.

00:13:40.000 I used to be a lot more shaggy, depending just how you're using this word.

00:13:44.000 Precisely how you mean that.

00:13:45.000 But I think it's noticeable that there's more hairy men visible than I remember in recent times.

00:13:52.000 Neil, you and I have both crossed over from more sanctioned mainstream spaces that you were for a long time a highly, and I don't mean you're not highly regarded now, but a highly regarded sort of mainstream figure that you were affiliated with things like the Scottish National Trust and you were a relatively safe individual.

00:14:14.000 Do you feel, as I do, that what's happened is more and more things have become It's not that long ago that you were on the front page of the Scottish Times in a headline that made you sound... well, some of your content was pulled from YouTube on the basis of anti-semitism, although I was interested to learn that YouTube did not nominate, describe, or appoint any particular part of your one-hour long interview with Whitney Webb as being anti-semitic, but the Times were able to make that deduction.

00:14:44.000 That strikes me as interesting.

00:14:45.000 Correct, and definitely interesting.

00:14:47.000 When we investigated why that content had been taken down, we were told simply that it was in violation of community guidelines.

00:14:57.000 I think that's almost word for word.

00:14:58.000 And also there's this strange, vague suggestion that you might, as the creator, want to re-watch it.

00:15:05.000 And we'll see if we can work it out.

00:15:07.000 It's a bit like being told, I think, you need to go to your room and think about what you did here.

00:15:10.000 But they don't tell you explicitly what the problem is.

00:15:13.000 They just say, we're not having... And it's over an hour long, an hour and a half long, whatever.

00:15:18.000 And yet, and yet, somehow the Sunday Times were able to conclude that it had been taken down on the grounds of anti-Semitism.

00:15:27.000 And if it was, I don't know where that allegation came from, such that I don't know if the Sunday Times are actually making a story out of their own allegation.

00:15:34.000 I don't know.

00:15:35.000 Neil, I strongly disagree with everything you've just... No, actually, Neil, you're right as always.

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00:17:08.000 All right, let's get back to this content.

00:17:10.000 That's interesting.

00:17:12.000 I'd love to pick up on a few things.

00:17:14.000 One, the assumption of a somewhat parental dynamic that you receive when communicating with YouTube.

00:17:20.000 An unprecedented giant in the media and communication space.

00:17:25.000 That initially in the early years of YouTube it seemed like it would be a platform that facilitated free speech and empowered creators and certainly to a degree it was.

00:17:37.000 Even a relative latecomer like me was able to experience radical and rapid growth reach a lot of people but in that short period of time I've noticed how In one's communications with a platform like YouTube, you can see what power is like now.

00:17:54.000 And I alluded to this in our journey here in the Volkswagen Camper, but you didn't pick up on the reference and I was hurt then, so I'm going to drop the reference a lot harder this time.

00:18:02.000 That in Kafka's The Trial, there is this idea that the protagonist is defending himself from an allegation that is unclear.

00:18:13.000 And the power that Kafka describes in the trial, and I think elsewhere in his writing, is a kind of bureaucratic power that is difficult to understand.

00:18:25.000 Now, I suppose it's my own editorialization to add to that the kind of banal benignness and soma-induced sweetness of Huxley's dystopia in Brave New World, but it seems to me that when you bring those two together, and of course add Orwell, why not everybody else does with

00:18:42.000 the inversion of meaning, the forever wars and the many other motifs that Orwell seems to have been prescient

00:18:49.000 about.

00:18:49.000 You have this, I feel, a depiction of power that is exemplified beautifully by YouTube.

00:18:57.000 You have done something wrong.

00:18:59.000 You have transgressed community guidelines.

00:19:01.000 Perhaps you should go back and look at the content again.

00:19:04.000 Now, at the moment, all we're talking about is censorship, I suppose.

00:19:07.000 A video being taken down.

00:19:08.000 And as people used to say, it's a private company.

00:19:11.000 They can do what they want on their platform.

00:19:13.000 But it's clear that that private company intersects significantly with government and corporate power.

00:19:19.000 And I wonder what you feel that incident of censorship is an indicator of.

00:19:24.000 Well I think it's an indicator of a determination to infantilise society.

00:19:31.000 Just take a telling.

00:19:34.000 If you're a child, hypothetically in a child-parent situation, a parent, a frustrated parent that just couldn't be bothered might just say, don't ask me why, just do what you're told.

00:19:44.000 So there's that element of it.

00:19:46.000 I think it also inevitably and deliberately leads to self-censorship.

00:19:50.000 Because you just become, well, frightened perhaps, or certainly cautious to the point where you think, maybe it's just not worth bothering doing anything at all.

00:20:01.000 What is the point, you know, when you may face censure?

00:20:06.000 And you may have them put up a thing saying you've violated.

00:20:08.000 Violated is a strong word.

00:20:10.000 Community is a strong word.

00:20:12.000 And then when it leads to third party headlines, you know, in a broadsheet newspaper that put your name together with anti-Semitism and the one has sprung organically from the other, all of it conspires to just be discouraging.

00:20:26.000 I don't need this in my life, potentially, is the way that you might think.

00:20:30.000 But I also do wonder at the extent to which it's an inevitable consequence of all of those platforms having come from, well, a sinister place.

00:20:45.000 I was involved with the internet very early on.

00:20:47.000 I was involved with Britain's third website, which was BT.com, British Telecom, at a time when in Britain there was only a website for Tesco supermarket and I think one of the banks, Royal Bank of Scotland maybe, I can't remember, but BT.com was the third.

00:21:05.000 And there was a time when everyone was invited to think, hey, it's this Wild West, you know, free for all, it's all going to be, you know, it's all free source and you can download and you can get all the software and it seemed benign and benevolent.

00:21:19.000 And then you realise, when you dig into it a bit, that the internet itself came from DARPA.

00:21:25.000 You know, the US military wanted it.

00:21:28.000 And we're always invited to think that things like Google, which has now become Alphabet, and Facebook, and all of these things were just clever, nerdy, geeky guys in their garages or their mum's spare bedroom, collaborating to produce these amazing things.

00:21:42.000 Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook and all of it.

00:21:44.000 And then you dig a bit into that and you realise, well no, these things were all acquired very early on by the same military intelligence community and all of the rest of it.

00:21:55.000 And so lo and behold, quite soon really, in the lifetime of something as massive as the internet, it has become apparent that it has been intended to have been a means of control, a means of surveillance, a means of monitoring, a means of harvesting data about people at a level that would have been Unthinkable and impossible by any other means.

00:22:17.000 You know, a level of data collection that would have been beyond the dreams of a Stalin or a Mao.

00:22:25.000 And there it's all there.

00:22:26.000 So why are we surprised when, in short order, within our lifetimes, it has become what it always was?

00:22:34.000 And the gloves are off, the mask is off, and it's now becoming apparent that actually, if you're going to step into this arena, it's my way or the highway.

00:22:42.000 These are the rules and if you want to step out you better be putting out some pretty anodyne content at worst or stuff that toes a party line because anything else there's going to be consequences and you won't know when those consequences are and when you breach the guidelines we won't even enter into a sensible professional dialogue with you about what it is that you've done wrong.

00:23:03.000 On that basis, Martin Gurry's excellent analysis in his book The Revolt of the Public may be askew.

00:23:10.000 He offers us, Neil, the idea that what we have now is a scenario where new elites are unable to marshal the new spaces that have been opened up by the internet and the subsequent spaces that is afforded us.

00:23:23.000 you alluded to the common analogy that it was kind of like a Wild West and I've always been kind of

00:23:27.000 willing to wear that, that there was a territory, albeit a cyber one, that was sort of slowly tiled over by the logos

00:23:35.000 of Meta and Alphabet et al. As they slowly colonized and

00:23:41.000 controlled these previously free spaces

00:23:45.000 redolent with potentiality. And now what we have is a controlled space in

00:23:51.000 the same way that the world, I think it was you and I that were discussing this, is

00:23:55.000 being turned slowly into one big airport where your every action is monitored and controlled

00:24:02.000 on the basis of crisis.

00:24:03.000 It struck me as interesting when you spoke about the infantilization that we are encountering as a kind.

00:24:10.000 That a child is in continual crisis if you consider risk to be a mild form of crisis and the role of a parent to be One primarily of a protector.

00:24:19.000 That what we're continually offered are dynamics that suggest crisis.

00:24:24.000 Whether it's a health crisis, a military crisis, a financial crisis, a cyber attack crisis.

00:24:29.000 As long as there are all these crises, then we require authoritarianism.

00:24:33.000 And it seems now that there was something rather sweet and twee about the authoritarianism of the 20th century.

00:24:40.000 People marching about, goose stepping in leather boots and Sieg Heil in left and right.

00:24:46.000 Now, What you get, I believe, is an insidious power that comes to you almost gaseously garrulous and friendly.

00:24:57.000 You have transgressed against community guidelines.

00:25:01.000 Now, I wonder whether or not the internet was always imagined as a space for surveillance, control and commercial opportunity.

00:25:10.000 It seems likely that it wasn't.

00:25:12.000 A few illustrative stories that, just to drop in before you resume, dear Neil, might be Mike Benzie's tale, although of course it's true, I presume, that Uh, Serge Brin and Larry Page, founders of Google, had their PhD at, I think Stanford, but I could be wrong, funded by a CIA carve-out.

00:25:33.000 And when he told me this, it was one, you know, sometimes someone tells you something and the scales fall from your eyes.

00:25:38.000 He said that, And then they found Google and Google Maps.

00:25:43.000 And you think, of course, PhD students aren't launching satellites into space.

00:25:48.000 Those satellites were already there.

00:25:50.000 Someone granted them access to previously existing technology.

00:25:54.000 At best, they alloyed whatever ingenuity, and I certainly wouldn't deny them that, they created with the search engines and the capacity to create the systems and the surfaces of the map app.

00:26:05.000 But there definitely has to be government involvement just for the... and it seems to me what you're suggesting is from the outset, these spaces were always designed to create control.

00:26:16.000 Yeah, I mean, it was just a... if it's too good to be true, you know, there's no such thing as a free lunch.

00:26:24.000 If you're not paying for it, you're the product.

00:26:25.000 I mean, these clichés or axioms or whatever they are, are all instructive.

00:26:32.000 You know, if you're not paying, you're the product.

00:26:34.000 I can remember sitting in on meetings about, you know, early days of the website that I previously mentioned and saying, how come all of this is free?

00:26:41.000 Because, you know, British Telecom's a telecom company.

00:26:45.000 People were charged per call, you know, for the phone calls that they made.

00:26:49.000 And yet this thing was manifesting and everything about it was free.

00:26:52.000 And I was saying, how come?

00:26:53.000 Who's paying for this?

00:26:55.000 And those conversations never really went anywhere because there was other matters, more corporate and business to be discussed.

00:27:02.000 But as it turns out, it was an important thing to be paying attention to because it was being laid out like flypaper onto which people would step and be unable to move and they would themselves become The end game of the product and people have been harvested, people have been collected into these platforms and every kind of detail about the way that you think and the things that you do and what you're interested in has all been collected and collated and it's all there and that almost certainly was someone's potential objective all along.

00:27:41.000 I think the other side of that is I think possibly an unintended consequence is that The internet is a double-edged sword and that which I would contend was probably always designed to be used to control and to be used against us is also being used against the very people whose concept it was.

00:28:02.000 And I don't think that was perhaps predicted that it would be as problematic as it has been.

00:28:06.000 And it's into that, it's to solve that problem that all the censorship has suddenly come.

00:28:12.000 I suspect that wasn't always Going to be the case.

00:28:15.000 It's just that people networked via the very technology itself, found each other.

00:28:23.000 People of like mind were able to collaborate and to share ideas and to take reassurance from, I'm not mad, thousands of other people, even millions of other people are seeing this, are thinking this.

00:28:36.000 So that the, you know, the internet has become, you know, has become a problem as well as, it's a double-edged sword.

00:28:44.000 It's become a solution to a corporate and an intelligence community challenge, but it has also become something that potentially threatens the, you know, the control that has been acquired.

00:28:57.000 Thank you.

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00:30:15.000 I'll tell you that right now.

00:30:16.000 And I say that as an Englishman for whom the date 1775 is a very painful thing to reflect on.

00:30:23.000 One of the things that seems clear is that there are now no longer the requirement for the rigid taxonomies that of which we seem so certain for a century or so that emerged, I suppose, post the industrial revolution.

00:30:39.000 emergence of socialism, the emergence of capitalism at least in its sort of relatively modern forms,

00:30:45.000 and the political movements that come from them, republicanism and the democrats, you know,

00:30:50.000 a centre-left and a centre-right political party nominally, and in our country the conservatives

00:30:56.000 and the labour movement from the 1940s particularly onward.

00:31:00.000 And it seemed then, because of the inability to create networked consensus and ongoing

00:31:06.000 communications that in terms of power and power dynamics might resemble rather than two poles, two

00:31:14.000 opposing forces, a heat map in a sports match, say football for example, where you would see, ah,

00:31:20.000 here there are a bunch of relationships around free speech, here there are a bunch of relationships

00:31:25.000 around anti-war, here there are a bunch of relationships and connections around commodity or

00:31:31.000 falling birth rates or free speech.

00:31:34.000 There are any number of issues around which novel relationships can be formed and I wonder, Neil, if that presents an almost anarchic threat in so much as it seems to me that What we are being confronted by is a tendency to centralize power under the auspices of social democracy.

00:31:55.000 Liberal democracy appears to require high taxation, high control, opportunity for authority.

00:32:04.000 I never thought that I'd be a person that would line up with like free market capitalism and those kind of things.

00:32:08.000 I'm a sort of person who, in a rather general way, picked up my political thinking such as it is autodidactic etc.

00:32:15.000 From, you know, the counterculture, from the civil rights movement, from reading conspiracy theorists or radical academics, all somewhat superficially because I didn't go to university or anything, and it seems now odd to me that what is presented as the inheritor of the civil rights movement, take the example of the

00:32:37.000 democratic national convention and its denizens, seems to me to be more the exemplar of the Huxley-esque,

00:32:43.000 Kafka-esque, bureaucratic, technological feudalism and therefore a much greater threat to individual

00:32:50.000 freedom and collective freedoms, because it does seem to me that that is the, uh, bulwark,

00:32:57.000 the vanguard of the march for truly globalist power, usually legitimized by crisis, whether

00:33:04.000 that crisis is the The Berlin Wall has come down, 9-11, a pandemic, a global war, a terrorist threat, germs, whatever it is, they're going to use fear to legitimise the centralisation of power.

00:33:16.000 Whereas this new technology would suggest a possibility of truly local power.

00:33:23.000 The kind of communities of affinity that might form around anything like, for example, horticulture

00:33:30.000 or baseball, but could also form around how are we going to manage our schools in this

00:33:35.000 area, our water board, our energy, our budget, our agriculture.

00:33:40.000 How are we going to handle this community's migration?

00:33:43.000 It seems to me the opportunity for decentralization afforded by this technology is being deliberately obfuscated because if it was realized what you would have will be a genuine threat to the two poles of power that seem to vacillate either between overreach of corporate power or overreach of the state.

00:34:00.000 That seems to be the general pendulum motion.

00:34:02.000 But you know after the 20th century who Who among us would be delighted to choose between communism or fascism as the as the sort of overteen window of choice?

00:34:13.000 I think what seems to me to be the reality is that the access that so many of us have had to information, to data, and perhaps more important than either, is connections.

00:34:31.000 We've been able to find like-minded people and share so much information.

00:34:37.000 A consequence of all of that has been to reveal that none of the ideologies that some people once genuinely espoused and many people genuinely invested hope in have stood up to the kind of scrutiny that has been made possible by all of these things.

00:34:58.000 So much information, so much shared information, so many conversations possible with so many unlikely people.

00:35:05.000 That whatever, you know, communism, free market capitalism, any of it, is all being exposed as hollow.

00:35:14.000 And when you talk about grassroots community, local solutions, and the people being able to find locally appropriate ways to meet their own needs, those things are undergirded by real feeling.

00:35:34.000 That's real people's lives and real people genuinely wanting the best for their family and wanting the best for communities that they feel embedded in and they feel part of and that they want to see, you know, survive into the next generation and all of the rest of it.

00:35:46.000 So there's reality there and there's meaning there at that level.

00:35:51.000 And what has happened is when you take it up to the levels of these ideologies, they've just been exposed, I would say, as the Emperor's new clothes.

00:36:00.000 There's nothing really there.

00:36:02.000 I don't think it's possible to take any of these people seriously anymore, be they Democrats or Republicans, be they Labour or Conservative or Liberal.

00:36:13.000 It is just a uniparty.

00:36:15.000 The scrutiny under which all of that has been put has revealed that there's nothing there.

00:36:22.000 And I think it's actually, for a sensitive soul, it's actually quite devastating.

00:36:28.000 Because it feels as if we've been living in a, you know, hypnotized by something and someone snapped their fingers and everyone has, or so many people have woken up and thought, oh, it's not that at all.

00:36:40.000 It's none of that, none of that has any meaning.

00:36:43.000 You know, a friend of mine, Nick Hudson, you know, he talks about Hudson's razor, which is this heuristic about if you, if it's pitched at you as a global crisis, To which there is only a top-down solution.

00:36:59.000 And thirdly, if any dissent to the top-down solution and the validity of the crisis, that dissent is to be crushed.

00:37:07.000 He says that's a scam.

00:37:11.000 If you can find those three things, be it in a pandemic, be it in the climate crisis, be it in anything, if those three things hold true, then you're dealing with a scam.

00:37:24.000 And that, and I think, what I feel is that the ideologies were inherited by second and third and fourth generations.

00:37:35.000 Someone like, you know, if there ever was, you know, one of the conspiracy theories about there being a kind of a Cecil Rhodes, Alfred Milner group that wanted to perpetuate the British Empire into forever.

00:37:47.000 This will last forever if we take the right steps now.

00:37:50.000 But they live and die and they're Their objectives have to be handed on to the next generation and then to the next and to the next.

00:37:55.000 It's like a 14th photocopy.

00:37:57.000 The whole thing's become blurred to the point where nobody can read it anymore.

00:38:01.000 So people that have inherited, you know, the successors to communism, the Fabianism, all of these things, it's not their idea.

00:38:10.000 They've just been handed it and they're expected to get it over the line.

00:38:15.000 And they have neither the enthusiasm, nor the commitment, nor the wit, nor the intent, nor the drive to do so.

00:38:22.000 They've just been handed the baton and they're being expected to get it somewhere.

00:38:27.000 And all of it has been revealed as, it's less than tissue thin.

00:38:31.000 There's nothing there.

00:38:32.000 And I think what people are finding very difficult, challenging, and it depends if you're optimistic or pessimistic, but there is now, the time now is for a whole New sense of meaning and validity and substance has to come from somewhere because everything else has been worn through.

00:38:52.000 You know, like some photograph that's been pinned up on a wall and had too much sunshine on it.

00:38:57.000 It's just gone.

00:38:58.000 There's nothing there and people feel it.

00:39:00.000 Or it could be like those photographs of Marty McFly, where he slowly fades as decisions are made that might interrupt the possibility of his conception, which is as good a way as any to demonstrate the problems of time travel.

00:39:15.000 Because one of the things that I started our conversation with Neil was that both of us in our own way were mainstream figures.

00:39:21.000 I was mainstream entertainment, mainstream Hollywood, I was on BBC Radio 2, Channel 4, making movies with Warner Brothers, Universal, You, it seems, were present at the inception of the internet itself with British Telecom and I wonder how we've become such marginal figures because I still consider myself to be someone who cares about individual freedom, equality, like the kind of things I don't trust the establishment, all the things I always felt and always thought are present with me yet.

00:39:49.000 So what has changed about the world to Turn both of us in our own ways, from you from coast guy to castaway, from celebrated icons of hedonism to pariahs, and in certain communities at least, condemned and feared.

00:40:06.000 When did you become more open, Neil?

00:40:09.000 to like we're talking now in a sort of in a very general way about seismic events like the impact of the internet the emergence of censorship and i i love your musing on the likelihood that the pandemic was a scam and but so before we ventured into that i thought well Is that something that you now believe?

00:40:29.000 And I like, because me, I was kind of, I realise what I'm basically doing now is saying I've been into that band for ages.

00:40:36.000 I used to read like a lot of David Icke and stuff when I was like 15, 16 when I was dropping acid and that.

00:40:41.000 I was sort of David Icke when just after he'd been on Wogan and been sort of ridiculed and kind of some of the things he said was pretty crazy.

00:40:48.000 A lot of the things David Icke says still seem quite crazy to me. 0.98

00:40:51.000 Certainly he doesn't hold back in criticising either of us two, but I do feel Look, a lot of what David Icke is saying is like, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR AGES, YOU BASTARDS! 0.98

00:41:00.000 I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR AGES! 1.00

00:41:02.000 Like, almost every tweet is, I KNEW THIS YOU BASTARDS! 0.91

00:41:05.000 And like, so, I wonder though, like you know, when it comes to something like, I bet you can find, in the same way as with Alex Jones, you can find footage of Alex Jones prior to 9-11-2001 saying, That, well, there's this guy called Osama Bin Laden, he's gonna fly planes into the Twin Towers, hits the CIA... You know, like, that's pretty extraordinary that someone that did that is now, in the mainstream, primarily known for his rather egregious remarks around Sandy Hook. 0.94

00:41:31.000 And then if you take someone like David Icke, I'm even, I must say in a rather esoteric way, pretty interested in some of his more occultist, Baroque, interdimensional being stuff, because it does seem that something pretty dark and bizarre is going on.

00:41:44.000 What do you consider to be the most verifiable, fascinating and viscous conspiracy theories that you've encountered, and how do you separate the chaff from the wheat, and which things do you lean into?

00:41:56.000 Because a lot of what we're talking about, mate, is a kind of desacralisation and banalisation, and certainly all of this Illuminati and dimensional being stuff certainly galvanises interest and indeed intrigue.

00:42:07.000 When...

00:42:09.000 When you realise that you've definitely been lied to about something by authority.

00:42:18.000 I've said this until I'm almost blue in the face, that I just wasn't paying attention.

00:42:24.000 And if that's the same as being asleep, then I was asleep.

00:42:26.000 I mean, I was preoccupied with, you know, doing my own stuff, paying the mortgage, da-da-da-da, getting the next gig and all of the rest of it.

00:42:32.000 And I wasn't watching what politicians were saying and I wasn't watching the way society was evolving.

00:42:37.000 And it absolutely was the case that that all happened to me during the, you know, the COVID era.

00:42:42.000 That was when I started for the first time thinking, hold the phone, that's, wait a minute, there's something egregiously wrong with this now.

00:42:49.000 And I didn't get it right away.

00:42:51.000 It was a process of, you know, paying attention then.

00:42:54.000 That's definitely wrong now, I thought, by some point in 2020.

00:42:59.000 And once you lose trust, trust is a fundamental, it's one of those things, it's like sacred, it's like truth.

00:43:07.000 Once the trust goes, once the vase is broken, you can stick it back together again and make it look like it did, but you wouldn't fill it up with water and pick it up by the handle.

00:43:16.000 It's not the same anymore.

00:43:18.000 And once you think, God, if they laughed at me about that, if they said that something as enormous as a global pandemic that was going to kill 500,000 people in Britain if we didn't all go home and stay there, and millions of people around the world.

00:43:32.000 If they're going to lie about that, then what else, what else?

00:43:35.000 What else have they been lying about?

00:43:36.000 And so, you ask the question, you know, what conspiracy theories?

00:43:41.000 I'm now, I've become, well, reluctantly at first, but you think, well, I just have to be open-minded about everything now until I get to the bottom of all of it.

00:43:53.000 And there's this concept that I'm quite attracted to, this staircase of disbelief.

00:43:58.000 Let's imagine it's 100 steps high.

00:44:01.000 And the scariest step to get onto is the first one.

00:44:05.000 And it'll be a conspiracy theory, something that you had hitherto dismissed.

00:44:09.000 It'll be different things for different people.

00:44:10.000 Maybe it's who shot Kennedy.

00:44:12.000 Maybe it's what was the truth of 9-11.

00:44:13.000 Maybe it's whatever.

00:44:17.000 But if you get on the first step, now you're out of the madding crowd and they can see you.

00:44:23.000 He now has given house room to that.

00:44:28.000 What's he going to do now?

00:44:29.000 But once you're on step one, you might well go on to step two.

00:44:33.000 And it goes all the way up.

00:44:34.000 And each conspiracy theory then is more extreme than the last, but it's like a gateway drug.

00:44:38.000 You get into the one and it becomes a little bit easier to be open minded about the next thing.

00:44:42.000 And so at this moment in time, I'm just sort of reviewing the situation.

00:44:46.000 I'm just wondering.

00:44:47.000 And like you, I remember David Icke appearing on Wogan, you know, in the purple leisure wear and saying that he was the son of God and all of that.

00:44:57.000 And I remember all of that.

00:44:58.000 And then much more, much later, seeing that he was talking about this thing about, you know, if they create a crisis, they can then offer you the solution.

00:45:07.000 And by the way, they had the solution ready before they created the crisis.

00:45:09.000 Now, And yes, he does now keep saying, I knew that!

00:45:14.000 I knew that before you knew that!

00:45:16.000 And he's a bit like, you know, an old star who just keeps on singing Delilah rather than do new stuff.

00:45:23.000 You know, he's got to move on with it rather than keep just claiming ownership of... Yeah, we get it, we get it, we get it.

00:45:28.000 But that said, he's been right about a lot of stuff.

00:45:31.000 He's been right about, I would say, about a centralising of control, about an unelected, unaccountable, largely out of sight, you know, group loosely allied with their own competing interests, you know, who can see that the more that they can control The richer and the more powerful that they will be and he's been preaching that for a long time and he's right about a lot of that.

00:45:54.000 But I think that I am 100% certain that the pandemic was a scam.

00:46:03.000 There was nothing there.

00:46:04.000 I mean, it's been borne out.

00:46:07.000 The mortality was what it always was, which was if you were over the age of life expectancy and you were, well, unwell with other things.

00:46:14.000 Maybe you were, you know, terribly overweight.

00:46:16.000 Maybe you had a pre-existing condition.

00:46:18.000 Those are the people that died.

00:46:19.000 And that's the same people that would die every year with various, you know, viruses and the kind of things that come every winter and harvest tens of thousands.

00:46:29.000 And those deaths don't make any headlines, never have before.

00:46:32.000 The pandemic was a pandemic of testing, it was a pandemic of fear, it was a pandemic of PPE, it was a pandemic of propaganda and I'm also prepared to believe that it was choreographed and rehearsed years previously, maybe even decades previously, because it has done what it's done.

00:46:49.000 It's the biggest transfer of wealth in history and the leash has been shortened and an enormous amount of control has been established and people were tested to see if they would be submissive in the face of Egregious limitations on their freedoms. 0.53

00:47:01.000 And they were, and they have.

00:47:02.000 And that leash has not been released again.

00:47:05.000 That which was wound in has not been wound back out.

00:47:09.000 Absolutely a scam.

00:47:13.000 The great conspiracy theory really of my life as background music was the Kennedy assassination.

00:47:19.000 But Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:47:20.000 is out there saying the CIA shot my uncle and they shot my dad.

00:47:23.000 And you think, oh my god, you know, I spent years saying, of course you didn't, it was Lee Harvey Oswald in the book Depository, anyone can see that.

00:47:32.000 No, I don't think that at all.

00:47:33.000 I think that was a, I think, you know, that the Kennedys were murdered by their own government.

00:47:38.000 It's very interesting.

00:47:39.000 We were talking earlier about like the surfeit of information and the impact that it has and I'm trying to understand these new categories of misinformation and malinformation and I suppose what they do is they create a sort of tenure and pathway for control because I'm starting to suspect that these new and emergent elites and their practices benefit from us being deluged and overwhelmed by information In so much as I was listening to you, Neil, talking about the pandemic and I imagine that all of, you know, your audience, my audience, our collective and shared audience are somewhere on the spectrum of it was a pandemic, that it was deliberately released, you know, that one end in order to generate

00:48:28.000 I don't think you even need to go there.

00:48:36.000 There's the endless furious debate about labs and Wuhan and released or not released and gain of function and all of the rest of it.

00:48:44.000 Maybe.

00:48:45.000 Conversation for another day.

00:48:47.000 The point is, nothing of note happened.

00:48:53.000 Whatever Covid was up to, and including it wasn't anything at all, through to whatever it was, gain of function, release from a lab, whatever, it didn't do anything at all.

00:49:03.000 I mean you go to the official government figures from a country like Germany, Well, Freudian slip there.

00:49:10.000 Maybe Germany is just a company now. 0.72

00:49:11.000 But you go to a country like Germany and the hospital bed occupancy was at an all-time record low in 2019-2020.

00:49:22.000 There was nobody there in the hospitals.

00:49:24.000 And the hospitals only started to get a bit busy after 2021.

00:49:28.000 Now, what started to happen to it?

00:49:33.000 But anyway, you don't need to answer the question.

00:49:34.000 Well, some people do.

00:49:35.000 You know, a lot of people have a lot invested in getting to the bottom of what, if anything, Covid was.

00:49:40.000 But I would say that you don't actually need to know that because it wasn't dangerous.

00:49:44.000 It wasn't dangerous to the vast amount of the population The figures don't stack up.

00:49:50.000 The people that died were the people, you know, were over life expectancy and all of the rest of it. 0.54

00:49:54.000 It was a scam and it was rolled out because it enabled... A. Let's find out just how much the people will put up with.

00:50:03.000 Let's just see.

00:50:04.000 Let's just see.

00:50:05.000 Everyone says they won't put up with this but let's just see how far we can take this and let's get the money.

00:50:12.000 Yes, and at the other end of the spectrum, what can be tracked?

00:50:17.000 We touched upon a recent guest on this show, Jay Bhattacharya, who seems to be a person interested only really in the rendering of simple facts, and in the great Barrington Declaration, of which he was one of the co-creators, They said consider natural immunity, consider the possibility that it doesn't impact children, consider shielding the more vulnerable people and look at the efficacy of lockdowns, look at alternative medications other than vaccines, don't vaccinate in the middle of a pandemic.

00:50:48.000 perfectly reasonable assertions that have subsequently proven to be true. But

00:50:53.000 what my point is, Neil, is other than sort of intrepid folks that tenaciously

00:50:58.000 continue to pursue truth in this area, I would say that most of us, even

00:51:05.000 people that work in the space like you and I, experience a kind of fatigue. And

00:51:08.000 because of this surfeit of information, seems like such a long time ago, and I

00:51:12.000 even feel sort of bewildered by it all, even though I suspect that there's a

00:51:17.000 connection between the kind of content that I discuss and that you discuss and

00:51:21.000 some of the external consequences that I have experienced.

00:51:26.000 I don't imagine those things are unrelated.

00:51:29.000 It still seems hard to convince, and is indeed our duty to convince, people outside of the audiences that we already communicate with that something extraordinary happened in the last few years.

00:51:45.000 And as you say, there has been a tightening of the leash, the stranglehold, the choking has somewhat receded, but not to where it was before.

00:51:53.000 And you can tell with every subsequent crisis that almost a paradigm was minted that can be rebooted at will.

00:52:01.000 It was around that time that we started to get those emergency messages on our phone.

00:52:05.000 And I remember everyone thinking, what's this new thing that they're doing?

00:52:07.000 I remember there was a sort of a slight weather crisis.

00:52:10.000 And that weather crisis, people sort of talked about, should we shut the schools?

00:52:13.000 In a way, I don't know if it's sort of snow days and stuff.

00:52:16.000 I felt though that there was a kind of a coached readiness to yield to crisis.

00:52:21.000 And most of all, I feel that there's a sense now of despair, bewilderment, a kind of a breakdown, and I wonder, Neil, if indeed we will ever be able to make people accept that something of that magnitude has taken place, almost because it's

00:52:42.000 Too vast and too big and even in the UK riots recently there was a sense of oh wow look at the response how quick and rapid and authoritarian and the response was and how easily an authoritarian leader who sort of again campaigns under sort of the auspices of tenderness can impose extraordinary measures quite quickly.

00:53:02.000 I think there's two things there.

00:53:05.000 The big lie, you know, that the likes of Hitler and Goebbels and whatever famously said, you know, if you make the lie big enough, you know, little lies are, everyone tells little lies, you know, every day.

00:53:17.000 But big lies, so the example being, if you tell the entire population of the world that they're at risk of dying from a new disease, and they have to do this or they will die, and everyone else around them will die, To then expect, for people like us, to expect all those people to accept that they were duped by something so huge and global.

00:53:43.000 Cognitive dissonance kicks in.

00:53:45.000 I cannot process that.

00:53:46.000 It's easier to just continue to believe the big lie.

00:53:50.000 Because to take on board the fact that the entire world's authority figures lied in the same way, in an orchestrated and choreographed way, at the same time, because they wanted more control and more money.

00:54:00.000 People don't want to believe that.

00:54:02.000 That's one thing.

00:54:04.000 But there's also, I would say, complicity.

00:54:08.000 You know when you get a story like Murder on the Orient Express?

00:54:16.000 Can you do Death on an Isle just because I was in that?

00:54:21.000 I understand the plot better.

00:54:22.000 If only I could torture that analogy and make it so, but I can't.

00:54:26.000 It has to be on the Orient Express.

00:54:27.000 It has to be on the Orient Express.

00:54:28.000 The idea that there's an omerta to begin with that Poirot has to unpick because they all did it.

00:54:34.000 That's the same in Death on the Nile, that would work.

00:54:38.000 Same plot.

00:54:39.000 They all took part.

00:54:40.000 Or if you go to, I don't know, an inspector calls.

00:54:44.000 Inspector Gould calls.

00:54:46.000 I know that, I did that at school with JB Priestley.

00:54:50.000 If you get everyone to share the guilt, Then they're so ashamed by the guilt that they'll just, let's just keep this under the rug because we've all got skin in the game on this, let's just... And you think that's population wide in this instance?

00:55:07.000 So I think potentially what's happened here, so many people went along with Taking the medical intervention, pushing it on their kids so they could go skiing, snitching on their neighbours, or maybe they enjoyed the vilification of the unvaccinated, being able to at least vicariously look on at the othering of a minority group. 0.53

00:55:39.000 There's so many people, it's just undeniable, are complicit in it.

00:55:44.000 And so that complicity is the glue that binds and it makes people disinclined to drop it, re-evaluate it, admit that they were wrong because they took part in it in the same way that everyone stabbed the guy in the Orient Express.

00:56:00.000 Yeah, you're right, that didn't happen in Death in the Nile, it wouldn't have worked.

00:56:02.000 They all took part in it.

00:56:04.000 It's that shared complicity and I think what was extremely clever in what was done to populations was that the authorities made accomplices of significant proportions of the population who would now, rather than confront that, And accept that, oh yeah, I did do that.

00:56:25.000 I was part of that, I did do that and I feel badly about it.

00:56:28.000 It's better just to keep on going and put that behind us.

00:56:32.000 Let's forget all about that and move on to the next thing.

00:56:34.000 War in Ukraine!

00:56:36.000 One of my favorite bits of writing is in Herman Melville's Moby Dick.

00:56:43.000 He talks about how there is an analogy between our intuitive feelings about land as a place of safety, verdant and abundant and occupied.

00:56:55.000 And the sea as an expanse that if confronted with for too long can induce a kind of desperate despair.

00:57:05.000 In the template that you drew out for us there of a kind of unwillingness to confront what we had all mutually participated in, I sense that there might be something broader still, in that we perhaps all sense that we are participating in a more general way, in a series of synthetic acts and activities, that we have lost our connection to the sacred and to one another.

00:57:38.000 Look, I feel it in this most mundane of examples that we're just nodes of utility.

00:57:45.000 Like that when you're buying something in H&M and you recognize that the store assistant don't even have the authority to grant you a discount.

00:57:54.000 Oh look, these trousers.

00:57:54.000 I was buying some for my kid.

00:57:56.000 These trousers have got a hole in them.

00:57:57.000 Give us a discount.

00:57:57.000 I'm afraid we can't.

00:57:58.000 They are just the occupants of a system.

00:58:05.000 Fact and and that actually goes beyond that's an obviously a one would assume a relatively low paid position in retail and I think that the same Condition exists as you go up and up the bureaucratic scale So you might have someone like Thierry Breton who appears to have a degree of power But ultimately only has the power afforded to him by that role and if you don't If you don't exercise that power in the way that the system demands you will be dispatched and someone else will come in and I think even with more celebrated figures Like Biden, Clinton, Bush, whoever.

00:58:35.000 You still have the need for compliance and that's before we investigate the likelihood that there has long been a playbook of ensuring that these people have skeletons in their closet or have some kind of deep-held secret that can be mobilized against them should they prove non-compliant.

00:58:58.000 There's a significant evidence that Jeffrey Epstein worked with deep state agencies, that the people on his list, on his black book, had been compromised.

00:59:08.000 And it's so interesting how a story like the Epstein story still exists, because again, as we've discussed earlier in our conversation, the internet just affords that kind of transparency at its best.

00:59:20.000 As with the COVID inquiries in our country and in the United States, there's this sense of spectacle that it sort of plays out that no one's ever really held to account.

00:59:30.000 You can be exorcised from YouTube.

00:59:32.000 I can be banned and accused and have allegations made against me.

00:59:36.000 But when it comes to real power, Epstein, when it comes to what you at least posit, and I'm sympathetic to the idea that the pandemic itself was a massive facade, there can never really be a true inquiry because that inquiry would be an unravelling of the system itself.

00:59:53.000 It seems extraordinary to me to recognise, one, that we seem to be operating within an intransigent system that is engineered and controlled by As you point out, I was talking about it in another context earlier this week, the truth is another fiat currency.

01:00:16.000 It's been so devalued, it's been so Corrupted as to be utterly valueless.

01:00:23.000 You know, there's this tired meme all the time on social media about, you know, the truth is a lion and it needs only to be set free and it'll take care of itself, which is, that's great, but no, it's not, because it's self-evident that so much truth is out there.

01:00:37.000 That lion If it is a line, has long since been let out of the cage, and it's toothless and clawless.

01:00:44.000 It's not doing anything for us.

01:00:47.000 You know, you're talking about Epstein.

01:00:50.000 You know, the only one person has been jailed for that, and it's one woman, Ghislaine Maxwell.

01:00:58.000 And it's clear that there's lists and lists and lists of people who are compromised by whatever it was that Epstein was purveying and providing.

01:01:06.000 Nothing.

01:01:07.000 The truth is out there about so many things.

01:01:10.000 I mean, there just this week, you know, that three House committee report, 291 pages long, came out saying that, alleging that Biden, Joe Biden, his family and the family's associates profited to the tune of $27 million for peddling access to him when he was vice president for Barack Obama.

01:01:30.000 It doesn't matter.

01:01:31.000 It's out there.

01:01:32.000 It's out there.

01:01:34.000 We know that during the Covid scam that they were saying things like, you know, you need to be six feet apart.

01:01:42.000 You need to wear face masks.

01:01:44.000 You need to follow magic arrows on the floors of supermarkets.

01:01:46.000 You can only have nine people at a funeral or a wedding or whatever.

01:01:51.000 They've come out and said, yeah, yeah, we just made that up.

01:01:54.000 People from Pfizer came out and said, well, we didn't test the thing to see if it would stop transmission from person to person, because we weren't asked to.

01:02:01.000 So the very idea that it was safe and effective, and that if you didn't take this, you might kill granny, is utterly bogus. 0.53

01:02:07.000 That truth is out there.

01:02:08.000 Now, that lion is not roaring.

01:02:11.000 Those claws and teeth are not tearing apart the lion.

01:02:14.000 It's just more lies, more lies, more lies, more lies.

01:02:17.000 And that's the dire predicament in which we find ourselves.

01:02:20.000 And I think all of it is an inevitable consequence of the lack of meaning, which is also a product of the secularization of Western society that has gone on for two or three centuries, that if there is no meaning, if people have no

01:02:41.000 meaning, then inevitably you just end up at the point at which we've arrived, where

01:02:46.000 everything is just a commodity, people included.

01:02:49.000 And the truth is what the most powerful, the highest bidder says what the truth is.

01:02:55.000 And pay attention because it might be different tomorrow.

01:02:57.000 You know, I was just thinking, Mehanda, I don't often reflect on the fact that the word annihilation has embedded within it the creation of the conditions of nihilism.

01:03:09.000 To truly annihilate is to sort of engender a lack of meaning.

01:03:14.000 When we've spoken When I've spoken with Vandana Shiva, she talks continually about this process of desacralisation, that everything is being robbed of its meaning, that there's this desecration and decimation of...

01:03:31.000 And desiccation.

01:03:33.000 Meaning he's being sucked out and we're left with sort of a dryness.

01:03:37.000 And the sort of gaudy and incredible spectacle of Joe Biden's send-off at the DNC was easily and eerily redolent of the celebrations of boxer in every schoolboy's favourite ball world book, Animal Farm.

01:03:53.000 Where the slaughtered proletariat has now got a national holiday named after him. 0.99

01:03:59.000 And even aside from the fact that he was clearly annexed, nixed and dispatched by his own party, there is the claim that he was a kind of a stalwart of morality, authenticity and decency.

01:04:12.000 He was a good and decent man right up to the moment where the world saw him fall apart in that debate.

01:04:16.000 They were telling you he was as sharp as a tack.

01:04:19.000 And now they're re-rendering him as a sort of old father democracy.

01:04:24.000 You're right, there is no meaning.

01:04:26.000 Now occasionally there are events that I think pierce our collective soul.

01:04:33.000 This kind of dampening and slow process of annihilation I think is by its nature de-spiriting.

01:04:40.000 One example I think was when that young In our country, in the UK, when that little girl Millie Dowling, was it?

01:04:48.000 Hacked her phone and that led to the journalists hacked a dead girl's phone to hear her messages and it meant that her parents felt that she may have still been alive because... Accessing her phone, yeah.

01:04:59.000 Because her phone has responded to messages.

01:05:02.000 This was sort of led, in this country at least, to an interrogation of the old-school media.

01:05:07.000 Well, you know, when Ultima released, some people got paid off and all that.

01:05:10.000 And, you know, there were probably, I think, probably great successes for a number of people through the correct judicial channels.

01:05:17.000 But what is of note to me is that it meant that the News of the World as a title had to be collapsed.

01:05:22.000 Now, probably within the News International Murdoch Empire, they recognized that print media's expiration date Was looming anyway.

01:05:32.000 But I wonder if sometimes events occur that prove pivotal and how systems become adept at managing them, as in the example I've just given.

01:05:42.000 When something too disgusting and appalling to bear took place with the Millie Dowling phone hacking, they collapsed an entire title.

01:05:50.000 Get rid of News of the World, that's the only way that this is going to be handled.

01:05:54.000 With something like the murder of the children In Southport and the attacks of the other people at that Taylor Swift party, it led of course to a kind of chaotic response and within that chaos there were many unacceptable acts.

01:06:14.000 That's including acts of violence, and my personal perspective when it comes to civil disobedience is that it has to remain non-violent for deep spiritual and moral reasons, yes, and also for tactical reasons, that if you succeed, if you're to succeed, you can't breach those thresholds, or you will ultimately, you will fail.

01:06:33.000 Now, people that are more savvy than me will say, well, how would you prevent, if you were part of a movement that was committed to non-violent protest, Deep state agents and actors on the fringes and periphery committing acts of violence as part of that movement in order to corrupt the entire movement and perjure the entire movement.

01:06:51.000 We know for example that on January the 6th there were deep state agents from the FBI and from numerous other agencies and presumably it's common practice in most countries.

01:07:01.000 I wonder, Neil, if you consider that there could be events that might not lead to fracture and opposition, as the rise in this country did with the attacks on mosques and the attacks on places where, you know, sort of refugees of asylum seekers, but instead a cohesive, deliberate response It seems to me that what you would need would be a re-sacralisation of social spaces.

01:07:26.000 A emboldening of the spirit of our kind that probably can't come from nationalism.

01:07:32.000 It's too recent of an idea actually.

01:07:34.000 It's probably something much more arcane and deep that needs to be evoked.

01:07:38.000 The positive equivalent of the shame that you've referred to that keeps us cold and quiet and cowed.

01:07:45.000 It's this power that we have within us that they most fear and it's this power that I wonder if we can somehow access utilizing these technologies in communicative spaces.

01:07:54.000 I think what has to be done is to acknowledge the The extreme, the depth of the danger in which we find ourselves.

01:08:06.000 I think there comes a point where you can no longer just think, oh it'll be alright, just keep your head down, just keep on going and this'll eventually sort itself out.

01:08:17.000 The beginning of something that would make a difference would be in acknowledging that... I mean, I've been saying for as long, any chance I get, that there's an anti-human agenda.

01:08:28.000 Yeah.

01:08:29.000 You know, that all these, you know, Malthusian, eugenicist undertones, overtones to concepts like Agenda 2030, where it's like, save the planet, and in order to get there, we'll have to get rid of, by whatever means, This many billions of people, that if there was any genuine feeling about public health, you know, if Covid had actually been about health, you know, they wouldn't have, you know, they wouldn't have shut the gyms and they wouldn't have, you know, they wouldn't have kept fast food joints open while they would have been pushing vitamin D and they would have been encouraging people to be healthy and to get out and to exercise and get fresher.

01:09:10.000 The fact that none of that was prioritised was all you needed to know to see that it wasn't about saving people.

01:09:16.000 It was about prosecuting the objective, which was power and money.

01:09:21.000 If we could get to the point where we can see that it's not just anti-human, it's anti-humanity.

01:09:29.000 I would say the existential threat is real.

01:09:33.000 It's humanity itself.

01:09:35.000 You see it manifest in transhumanism, where we've been invited to think that the human Homo sapiens Mark 1 is suboptimal and needs an upgrade.

01:09:46.000 An upgrade by who?

01:09:49.000 By what circuit board are you going to improve on seven million years of evolution just from the time when we parted company with whatever became chimpanzees?

01:09:59.000 And that's not to take into account the billions of years since the emergence of life at all from the primordial soup.

01:10:05.000 And yet there's this vanity, this hubris amongst an elite class that thinks that it can do a better job with being human.

01:10:13.000 You've got transgenderism. 0.96

01:10:15.000 You know, where young people are being sterilised, they're being neutered, they're being made neither one thing nor the other. 0.52

01:10:26.000 Now, that is anti-humanity.

01:10:29.000 You know, that's where we are.

01:10:31.000 It's not just anti-human, it's anti-humanity.

01:10:33.000 And I think part of the solution would be when people finally accept complicit With whatever complicity, shared guilt, all of the rest of it.

01:10:41.000 If we don't do something, it's the future of the species itself that's actually at risk.

01:10:47.000 And it does, however people might wince at the possibility, I think it is about spirituality.

01:10:56.000 I think 300 years of secularism have brought us here.

01:11:01.000 And you have to ask yourself, is this where we want to be?

01:11:04.000 Because we have undoubtedly got here by dint of secularism.

01:11:09.000 Saying that there really is no meaning in anything.

01:11:11.000 You know, you're here today and you're gone tomorrow.

01:11:13.000 You're three schooled in ten and then that's the end of it.

01:11:17.000 And it will be difficult maybe for people, but I know that a lot of people are, you know, re-engaging with a spiritual aspect.

01:11:26.000 And I think there's something very profound there that's very, whatever you believe, anything or nothing, if you believe that the law, let's say, or the truth comes from somewhere unreachable, untouchable, inviolate, That it cannot be manipulated, altered, or worked around by us, because it comes from somewhere else that we can't reach.

01:11:53.000 And if you make that God, or intelligent, or whatever, but if you just accept that You can't work around the truth and you can't obfuscate and get rid of the law or the truth because you can't get there.

01:12:10.000 It's out of your reach.

01:12:11.000 Then that provokes a different kind of behaviour. 0.99

01:12:13.000 As soon as you surrender to the idea that well yeah it's all very well to say thou shalt not kill but You know, we've come up with a workaround for that because we want you guys to go over there and kill a lot of them. 0.99

01:12:23.000 And that's going to be okay. 0.95

01:12:24.000 Don't worry about it because we've sorted the workaround.

01:12:27.000 But you can't work around it if you accept that it's come from somewhere untouchable.

01:12:31.000 You know, that Lawrence Vander Post line about, you know, the story is like the wind, it comes from a far off place and we feel it.

01:12:38.000 That's the truth.

01:12:41.000 You feel it.

01:12:43.000 You feel it when it comes.

01:12:44.000 You feel it when you hear it, when you hear it.

01:12:46.000 You feel it when you say it.

01:12:48.000 It's what makes people laugh.

01:12:50.000 It's at the root of effective comedy.

01:12:52.000 It's because you've told the truth.

01:12:54.000 Or you bring people to tears because you've told the truth and invariably you don't have to compose the line yourself.

01:13:01.000 It just comes out of you.

01:13:03.000 You've conducted it like lightning through a lightning conductor.

01:13:06.000 And if people would embrace the idea that we are not the be-all and end-all, that there are profound, fundamental parts of being human and alive, that we are not able to overwrite, rewrite, tweak, adjust and work around, Then I think within that is a fundamental that was understood for millennia, you know, on the road to civilization.

01:13:32.000 If you operate in that way, you get to a different destination and I think we need to be somewhere else than where we've arrived at the moment.

01:13:40.000 Thank you, Neil.

01:13:41.000 That's beautiful.

01:13:42.000 Thank you, as always, for joining me for a conversation that ended with, I feel, the very wind that you were describing.

01:13:50.000 I felt it when you were talking, that there is meaning, that there is truth, that God is real.

01:13:54.000 Thank you so much for watching us today.

01:13:57.000 Remember, you can become an Awakened Wonder and get access to additional content.

01:14:01.000 Thank you so much once again, Neil.

01:14:03.000 Did you enjoy this conversation?

01:14:04.000 Every time.

01:14:05.000 Every time, Russell.

01:14:06.000 I enjoy the gentle, reflective nature of the conversations that you engender.

01:14:12.000 Thank you so much.

01:14:13.000 I think that perhaps there is room for both of us.

01:14:15.000 The eugenicists that eventually come will surely spare us both.

01:14:19.000 We will be back tomorrow with another show, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:14:23.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

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01:14:37.000 Man, he's switching.

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