Stay Free - Russel Brand - “We’re Being POISONED!” | Big Pharma’s Dirty Secret - #103 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:00:51.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders!

00:00:52.000 Thanks for watching Stay Free with Russell Brand.

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00:00:59.000 It's Friday, which is the best day of the week because we, every Friday, have an in-depth conversation with free thinkers, radicals, disruptors, campaigners, and philosophers.

00:01:08.000 Today, I'll be speaking with Kali Means.

00:01:10.000 We're being lied to.

00:01:11.000 A whistleblower and activist who exposes corruption in big food and pharma.

00:01:16.000 What's happening, um, where, you know, 15% of kids have fatty liver disease, 25% of kids have prediabetes or diabetes.

00:01:23.000 You know, we're being brought to our knees.

00:01:24.000 When we had him on the show before, just for a guest for 20 minutes, our video went viral.

00:01:30.000 These are simple metabolic things where we're biologically just destroying ourselves.

00:01:34.000 Then the medical system now is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States, which is just staggering to wrap your head around.

00:01:41.000 Today he'll be talking to us about the use of fear to weaponize the pharmaceutical industry.

00:01:46.000 If you change your diet and you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up, you will feel something.

00:01:53.000 And once we click over to being exclusively on Rumble, I'm going to be talking to Calli about a story that I can't even begin to describe to you.

00:02:01.000 It's so obscure, corrupt, and unusual, I can only talk about it on Rumble.

00:02:06.000 I don't even want to bring up the subject on YouTube, because I can't even personally make sense of it.

00:02:11.000 And I'm going to let Calli Means handle the potential legislative fallout by explaining it himself.

00:02:16.000 Please, let's welcome to the show Calli Means.

00:02:19.000 Stay free with Russell Brand.

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00:02:22.000 Thanks for joining us again, Callie.

00:02:24.000 It's so great to be here, Russell, and see you after your domination of America, which was awesome to watch.

00:02:29.000 Thank you.

00:02:30.000 I'm very excited that you and your sister are going to join us at our community event in July in Hay-on-Wye.

00:02:37.000 You spoke about her last time and said that she's a great inspiration to you and an incredible influence on your career.

00:02:45.000 Two of you, in essence, are now sort of anti-big food campaigners.

00:02:49.000 Can you tell us a little bit about how that's come about?

00:02:53.000 Yeah, so we grew up in D.C., and I'm actually back in D.C.

00:02:56.000 I just met with members of Congress, which is why I'm a little overdressed.

00:02:59.000 But we grew up good, young conservatives, you know, trusting the medical system, saying how great the American food system was.

00:03:06.000 And, you know, I went into politics.

00:03:07.000 My sister was the pride of the family.

00:03:09.000 You know, she did the right thing.

00:03:10.000 She was president of her Stanford class, an undergrad.

00:03:13.000 She was top of her class, Stanford Med School.

00:03:16.000 And then she was a surgeon, you know, an absolutely crushing residency.

00:03:23.000 She had an out-of-body experience.

00:03:25.000 She was looking over a patient six years into residency and cutting over, she was a head and neck surgeon, cutting open their sinuses. 0.98

00:03:33.000 And she realized that patient was under her knife six months before.

00:03:37.000 And she realized that she had no idea why that patient had this recurring inflammation.

00:03:44.000 And she actually, as one of the most credentialed, educated, accomplished surgeons in the country, did not know why the patients under her knife were sick.

00:03:51.000 And tying that back, Stanford Med School, Harvard Med School, top med schools in this country, more than 50% of their money touches pharma somehow.

00:04:00.000 And what does that get them?

00:04:02.000 90% of doctors today graduate in America without one, a single nutrition class.

00:04:06.000 Casey graduated from Stanford Med School without learning one nutrition class.

00:04:10.000 Over 80% of her curriculum was in pharmacology.

00:04:15.000 And she did a very brave thing and she abruptly quit.

00:04:17.000 And where it ties to me, Russell, is we had a pretty common experience.

00:04:21.000 Our mom was our best friend, our hero.

00:04:24.000 And in 2021, she was taking a hike with my dad and had a pain in her stomach.

00:04:28.000 She went in to the doctor and she realized she had stage 4 pancreatic cancer.

00:04:32.000 We rushed to her side and she died 13 days later.

00:04:36.000 And the doctors at Stanford Hospital told us how unlucky this pancreatic cancer is.

00:04:40.000 You know, people are getting cancer at increasing rates, autoimmune conditions, dementia.

00:04:44.000 It's all going up and it's all unlucky.

00:04:47.000 And what we did was we unspooled pancreatic cancer.

00:04:50.000 It's highly tied to prediabetes.

00:04:52.000 My mom was one of 50% of Americans who has prediabetes or diabetes. 0.55

00:04:56.000 It's highly correlated many forms of cancer.

00:04:58.000 Dementia, Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes.

00:05:01.000 And what my sister and I are really on the warpath is this simple thesis, which is that we're being lied to.

00:05:08.000 Um, what's happening, um, where, you know, 15% of kids have fatty liver disease, 25% of kids have prediabetes or diabetes, you know, we're being brought to our knees by these sicknesses and mental, you know, and you can't say that what's going on with our body isn't going on in our brains.

00:05:24.000 And it's so complicated.

00:05:26.000 Everything's complicated.

00:05:27.000 When my sister graduated med school, there was 42 medical specialties she could go into. 0.99

00:05:32.000 The body's broken into 42 parts.

00:05:34.000 There's one issue.

00:05:36.000 There's one issue above all other.

00:05:37.000 And we're feeding ourselves poison.

00:05:39.000 Our kids are not being... Kids are born where they want to move.

00:05:42.000 They're being put on desks without sun.

00:05:45.000 These are simple metabolic things where we're biologically just destroying ourselves.

00:05:49.000 And we're really on the warpath to try to simplify how we think about science.

00:05:54.000 Because as we're talking about, it's due to a very rigged system.

00:05:57.000 We're confused due to a rigged system.

00:05:59.000 When you say something like we're being poisoned, Callie, that sounds incredibly incendiary.

00:06:06.000 Sorry, I should pass on my sympathies about, you know, the story about your mother's pretty disturbing and stuff.

00:06:11.000 But I wanted to say that that's a very provocative thing to say.

00:06:17.000 Now, I know that Big Food spend a lot of money on lobbying, and it appears that the relationship between Big Food and big pharma is a mutually beneficial one.

00:06:30.000 The kind of food that we're eating is making us sick.

00:06:34.000 But I don't want to be hysterical or reductive, maybe too late for that now,

00:06:39.000 because I'd like to be reassured, Kali, that you have plain evidence that we're eating food

00:06:46.000 that is bad for us, that is causing us diseases that are preventable, that there are substances in our food.

00:06:52.000 In fact, that there is an overview around the type of diet that we should have that's irresponsible and it requires re-evaluation.

00:07:00.000 I know that this is your life's work, and in a sense, given your relationship with your sister, part of your family's dharma, but can you explain to me, using actual examples, how there is a large-scale poisoning of the American people that's leading to preventable illnesses and death?

00:07:23.000 Yeah, I think it's really important.

00:07:24.000 Let me let's dive into specifics.

00:07:26.000 Let me let me paint it this way.

00:07:28.000 I'm also a new dad, and that's highly motivating to me.

00:07:32.000 And let's just look at the pure economics of a sick child.

00:07:35.000 Okay, so let's think about a 15 year old lower income child.

00:07:40.000 Okay.

00:07:41.000 And the dirty secret, and just from purely financially speaking, that child in America is an absolute goldmine.

00:07:50.000 Because that child probably has pre-diabetes, you know, which is from ultra-processed food, probably has obesity, probably has high cholesterol, probably has high blood pressure.

00:07:58.000 This is very common, right?

00:08:00.000 15% of kids right now have fatty liver disease, which used to be only a disease you saw in elderly alcoholics.

00:08:05.000 So that kid, right, in the U.S.

00:08:07.000 is on Medicaid.

00:08:08.000 And Medicaid pays out.

00:08:11.000 The budget is greater than the Defense Department.

00:08:14.000 This is the health care for lower-income folks.

00:08:17.000 And a sick kid with chronic conditions, what does that mean?

00:08:21.000 The kid's not going to die, but for the rest of their life.

00:08:24.000 They need a statin for their cholesterol.

00:08:26.000 They need metformin and insulin for their diabetes.

00:08:29.000 They need, inevitably, Adderall, which 15% of kids are, for their ADHD.

00:08:32.000 They need Ambien because they're going to have sleep problems from all these issues.

00:08:35.000 They're going to need opioids because they're going to be in chronic pain.

00:08:38.000 They're going to inevitably have fertility issues. 1.00

00:08:40.000 Male sperm counts down 50 percent, so they're going to need medication for that.

00:08:43.000 They're inevitably going to have erectile dysfunction, which is just constrainment of the blood vessels, which is basically the same thing as heart disease.

00:08:49.000 They're going to be on all these pills, right?

00:08:51.000 And the medical system looks at that.

00:08:53.000 Oh, we're treating that person, right?

00:08:54.000 What's bankrupting the United States right now Far greater than defense, far greater than any other line item, is these people that get sick early.

00:09:04.000 And they're treated, okay?

00:09:05.000 So the medical system looks at that and says, you know, that kid is gonna go to six different doctors.

00:09:12.000 As I said, my sister, she didn't learn about the overall metabolic health, about how ultra-processed food hurts our cells and shows up in all of those symptoms.

00:09:19.000 She was a head and neck surgeon. 0.96

00:09:21.000 She was gonna devote her entire life to one square millimeter of the body. 0.91

00:09:25.000 One square millimeter, which she was going to do a fellowship in, and that's all she was going to focus on.

00:09:30.000 That's how you rise up in medicine.

00:09:31.000 You segment the body.

00:09:33.000 So this is very profitable.

00:09:34.000 That child who's going to have a ton of comorbidities is very profitable.

00:09:38.000 And there's a lot of incentives to make this complicated.

00:09:41.000 There's a lot of incentives to send that kid to six different doctors, to a psychologist for that SSRI, to a neurologist for the ADHD medication, for the cardiologist for the heart disease.

00:09:52.000 These are all the same thing.

00:09:55.000 These are all the same thing.

00:09:57.000 So are the doctors evil who are prescribing that statin?

00:09:59.000 No, that's the system they're in.

00:10:01.000 Although doctors are catching on to this.

00:10:02.000 Doctors have the highest suicide rate and the highest burnout rate of any profession in the country.

00:10:07.000 So I think they're getting in for the right reasons, but realizing patients aren't getting better.

00:10:11.000 And yes, on the food company, I think what food's doing is understandable.

00:10:16.000 You know, food is trying to make food cheaper and more addictive.

00:10:20.000 And there's three main ingredients that we've shifted our diet to.

00:10:23.000 It's sugar, which is 100X.

00:10:26.000 100x more sugar we're eating than 100 years ago.

00:10:28.000 Processed sugar, added sugar, really wasn't a thing 100 years ago.

00:10:31.000 That's a staple of our diet.

00:10:32.000 Highly processed grains, which didn't exist until 1900, which is where you take the fiber off, it's shelf-stable, no nutrition, and then because the fiber's out, it's a glucose bomb.

00:10:41.000 And then, this is important, seed oils.

00:10:43.000 Seed oils are the top source of American fat right now.

00:10:46.000 These were created by John Rockefeller in the early 1900s as an industrial byproduct from oil production.

00:10:52.000 Not joking.

00:10:53.000 Our main source of fat, when you look at the label, canola oil, soybean oil, this is an industrial byproduct that's much cheaper than good fats like olive oil, avocado oil, ghee, grass-fed butter, things like that.

00:11:07.000 That's the staple of our diet.

00:11:08.000 So this isn't a big mystery.

00:11:10.000 We're eating inflammatory things.

00:11:13.000 We're putting into our body, you know, everything is tied to inflammation.

00:11:16.000 As I talked to my sister, she's looking at that patient with inflammation.

00:11:18.000 Inflammation usually was a good thing.

00:11:20.000 It's the body coming to foreign things in the body.

00:11:23.000 The problem in America right now is that 75% of our diet is ultra-processed fake food, which we were not biologically made to eat.

00:11:30.000 Our body is reacting to foreign substances and causing all this disease.

00:11:34.000 If you took out those three ingredients, sugar, Seed oils and highly processed grains.

00:11:38.000 This is not hyperbolic.

00:11:39.000 You would not have heart disease, which is the number one killer.

00:11:41.000 You would not have type 2 diabetes.

00:11:44.000 You would actually eliminate to a large degree Alzheimer's, which is now called type 3 diabetes.

00:11:48.000 Many forms of cancer, infertility, all of these things relate to food, but there's profit, Russell, in complicating the issue.

00:11:57.000 Bloody hell!

00:11:58.000 That's pretty heavy.

00:11:59.000 I was thinking then, Callie, about how like in sort of pre-civilised, as they were known, human cultures, we would totemise the plants that we required in order to survive, or the animals that we hunted in order to survive.

00:12:15.000 They would be Sacred and divine, and we would have an explicitly sacred, if such a thing is possible, relationship with them.

00:12:24.000 We would worship and revere them.

00:12:26.000 Now that we live in these vast monocultures, where animals are slaughtered en masse, where crops are grown en masse and highly processed, We have become like the food that we eat.

00:12:39.000 We are what we eat.

00:12:41.000 We are a product.

00:12:42.000 When you sort of spoke about that, you know, a 15 year old child is a sickly goldmine that could be latched onto, lashed up and profited from.

00:12:52.000 I can see how we are being farmed, how we have become a type of commodity.

00:12:58.000 And to hear that just with the removal of those three things, sugar, seed oil and highly

00:13:03.000 processed grain, we could meaningfully alter the health of our populations, it seems to

00:13:10.000 me that this is the type of legislation that should be immediately passed, that our farming

00:13:15.000 practices ought to change immediately.

00:13:20.000 is good for anything is good for that. But because what you're describing is so

00:13:25.000 radical, Kali, and because today you're meeting with people in Congress, and

00:13:30.000 obviously I wouldn't expect you to tell me anything that's private, what

00:13:34.000 concerns me is that what we tend to accept are minor reforms, small victories,

00:13:40.000 when what's clearly required here is a revolution.

00:13:44.000 Those kind of interests with that kind of lobbying money, they're not going to go without a fight.

00:13:50.000 That's serious power.

00:13:51.000 You're saying that they spend more money than the defence industry, they're more profitable than the defence industry.

00:13:57.000 Am I fudging that?

00:13:59.000 If so, that's a very powerful interest to go up against.

00:14:03.000 How are we going to do it?

00:14:05.000 What the hell are you doing in Congress?

00:14:07.000 And in your view, what kind of legislation should be passed to all of this Terrible, deadly trajectory.

00:14:16.000 No, you're absolutely right about that stat, Russell, and shockingly, and this is just, I can't even wrap my head around, healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States, producing worse outcomes.

00:14:27.000 Usually innovation, you know, I'm an entrepreneur in tech, usually innovation is lower cost, better outcomes.

00:14:33.000 Healthcare is higher cost, worse outcomes.

00:14:34.000 and it's growing again faster than any other industry. I think we gloss our eyes over at

00:14:39.000 the rate of health care costs in the U.S. and the stats are set a lot, but it's going to be 40% of

00:14:44.000 GDP in 15 years and this is not slowing down. It truly is going to bankrupt our country and

00:14:48.000 we're becoming a non-competitive and fertile fat civilization.

00:14:52.000 I mean, that is literally happening.

00:14:54.000 So let's get down to the brass tacks.

00:14:56.000 I think you make a great point.

00:14:57.000 And my two points are this.

00:14:59.000 There's definitely systemic issues, and let's talk about that right now.

00:15:01.000 And then I think your viewers, and it's just amazing, a huge diversity of people are waking up and taking more personal empowerment, because it's got to be a bottom-up revolution.

00:15:09.000 But I want to make some points on the top down, because I think this is really important.

00:15:14.000 A lot of people throw up their hands and say, well, it's hard to diet.

00:15:17.000 It's hard to exercise.

00:15:18.000 No, no, no, no.

00:15:19.000 25% of kids having pre-diabetes right now is hard.

00:15:21.000 45% of kids being overweight or obese is hard.

00:15:26.000 93% of Americans having metabolic dysfunction right now.

00:15:28.000 This is hard.

00:15:29.000 We are destroying our country due to metabolic dysfunction.

00:15:33.000 And there's actually very simple things we can do.

00:15:35.000 So number one, we need to realize that we are playing into the game.

00:15:39.000 And I actually met with a bunch of Republicans today.

00:15:42.000 And if you remember, the Republicans under Trump had an opportunity to put a proposal down to reform Obamacare and they had nothing.

00:15:49.000 The reality right now is that the left and the right is basically just talking about marginal improvements to the existing broken system.

00:15:57.000 You are absolutely right.

00:15:58.000 Everyone needs, and I will say, politicians I think are waking up to this.

00:16:02.000 It's not about slightly altering Medicare Part D. It's not about going into page 300 in the Medicaid law.

00:16:08.000 It is understanding that the problem with healthcare is that every single lever that touches our health profits off people being sick and loses money when they're healthy.

00:16:16.000 The problem is healthcare is the most employed industry in the country, and everyone from a pharma company to a hospital to a medical school, they make more money when more people are sick, which is exactly what's happening.

00:16:26.000 Even insurance companies, which people think should want to save money, actually now, they can only take 15% profit margin, and by law, in Obamacare, can actually raise premiums to get that 15%.

00:16:37.000 So they actually, since they're capped at 15%, want costs to grow, which is exactly what's happened in the past decade.

00:16:43.000 All that's happened is people get sicker, costs grow, and insurance company revenues go up.

00:16:48.000 So we have to realize that one fact, and it's interesting.

00:16:50.000 A lot of members of Congress care about this issue.

00:16:52.000 A lot of them want to go up against their lobbyists, but actually they don't even understand the simple fact.

00:16:57.000 The problem is that incentive.

00:16:59.000 So what can you do right now?

00:17:01.000 A couple quick things, Russell.

00:17:02.000 The most shameful policy in America, in my opinion, the most shining example of corporate cronyism, really evil towards kids, is the fact that the USDA, the most influential health organization and food

00:17:15.000 organization in the country, and I would probably the world, they recommend 10% added

00:17:20.000 sugar for two-year-olds and up.

00:17:22.000 They, in the USDA federal nutrition guidelines, guide up to 10% added sugar

00:17:30.000 for an American two years and up.

00:17:32.000 To me, this is absolutely shameful.

00:17:34.000 Sugar is a highly addictive drug.

00:17:37.000 You know, there's big differences between stronger drugs like heroin, but when you do brain imaging scans, the dopamine release is very similar to any other drug like that.

00:17:46.000 And we're normalizing that.

00:17:48.000 The government is actually saying it's okay for two-year-olds, 10% of their diet to be added sugar.

00:17:54.000 That could be changed tomorrow.

00:17:56.000 But why is it that way? 95% Of the folks in 2020 who made the nutritional guidelines.

00:18:02.000 And now in 2025, in the administration for President Biden on the USDA updated nutrition guidelines, Dr. Fatima Stanford, who you've talked about, the Harvard obesity doctor who said obesity is genetic and not the result of food.

00:18:16.000 You can't make this up, but she is literally on the nutrition guidelines, making guidelines not only for the US, but that impacts the world saying sugar, inevitably, she will not reduce the sugar.

00:18:26.000 So the key point here, Russell, is that for better or worse, Americans listen to medical authorities.

00:18:33.000 You know, when the Surgeon General in the 1980s said smoking was bad, you know, many years too late, smoking plummeted.

00:18:41.000 You know, Philip Morris at the time was one of the five largest companies in the world when that Surgeon General's report came out.

00:18:47.000 You know, in the 1990s, we remember the food pyramid which said, you know, eat more carbs, Carb consumption went up 20% in America.

00:18:54.000 That was disastrous.

00:18:55.000 And then for better or worse, when Dr. Fauci told Americans to get the vaccine, I think it's close to 90% of people got one of the vaccines.

00:19:01.000 People listen to what authorities say for better or worse.

00:19:04.000 If sugar, there should be no guidance for sugar.

00:19:08.000 We do not guide kids that they should have a certain range of cigarettes or alcohol.

00:19:14.000 The only difference is that sugar... I mean, am I in a bizarro world?

00:19:18.000 Are we not being brought to our knees by metabolic dysfunction caused primarily, like, chiefly by sugar?

00:19:23.000 Like, I don't think anyone even disagrees with that.

00:19:25.000 So why the hell are we recommending that?

00:19:29.000 And we can go into others, Russell.

00:19:30.000 just the one other thing I'd say, you know, getting to the food stamp issue and

00:19:33.000 Coke, when I worked for them, there is a systematic, like the cigarette companies,

00:19:38.000 just a systematic rigging of the institution of trust. Coke and processed

00:19:41.000 food companies spend 11 times more nutritional research than the NIH. In the

00:19:46.000 past two years, there was 50,000 nutrition studies done, peer-reviewed

00:19:51.000 nutrition studies. Again, meeting with members of Congress today.

00:19:54.000 They have lobbies in their office every single day handing them a different study.

00:19:58.000 The only goal of the studies is to confuse the congressmen.

00:20:02.000 And I'll just close with this one point here.

00:20:04.000 The policy solution is just to eliminate all nutrition studies.

00:20:08.000 We are the only animal in the world that has systematic obesity, that has systematic depression, that has systematic diabetes, obesity, other metabolic issues.

00:20:20.000 You don't have lions and giraffes in the wild.

00:20:22.000 A wolf in the wild, right, or some kind of derivative of a dog in the wild, has 0% obesity rate, close to 0% cancer rate.

00:20:31.000 Domesticated dogs, which eat our own crap and the processed crap we make, have more than a 50% cancer rate. 0.89

00:20:37.000 Okay. 0.99

00:20:38.000 There's no animals except us. 0.96

00:20:42.000 And the only difference between us and other animals is we have experts telling kids to sit in desks all day in sunless rooms, not moving when they're made to move, you know, learning from the teacher and eating processed crap.

00:20:54.000 So I would add, I think there's going to be investigations into the research and the rigging of the Institution of Trust.

00:21:00.000 And then I know we're going to talk about Ozimbic. 0.56

00:21:01.000 This is a pretty big deal because it's going to double the American Medicaid drug budget.

00:21:06.000 We cannot talk about Zempik until we're exclusively on Rumble.

00:21:10.000 Okay, we got some good news there, so we'll wait for Rumble.

00:21:13.000 We will have to.

00:21:14.000 So if you're watching this on YouTube now, there's a link in the description.

00:21:19.000 You have to click over to watch this on Rumble because their commitment to free speech means that we can discuss anti-establishment, anti-corporate interest that simply cannot be discussed On YouTube I was just thinking when you were speaking Callie that during the pandemic I remember that Joe Rogan got into trouble for sort of saying we should be exercising and eating well and that was treated as a sort of a controversial statement and

00:21:47.000 I'm thinking too of Terence McKenna's famous edict that the culture is not your friend.

00:21:54.000 I think that listening to you, I've never really heard it so clearly demonstrated that the culture is set up to keep you distracted, keep you fed on bad food, governed by bad interests, consuming bad products and bad ideas continually.

00:22:15.000 Making you feel disenfranchised, lazy, lethargic, frankly, sick!

00:22:20.000 We're being made to physically sick by the food that we eat. 0.99

00:22:24.000 When you said that thing about sugar, that an awakened and conscious government, an awakened and conscious system would say, listen, we didn't know before, but we know now, we shouldn't eat sugar, and I know you all love it, you poor bastards, because it's delicious and fantastic, and you're addicted to it now, But we're going to have to say, you shouldn't be eating it. 0.96

00:22:46.000 Again, I'm not talking about banning it, because I guess people are free. 0.77

00:22:49.000 But certainly it should be made plain that you ought not be eating these foods.

00:22:55.000 You certainly shouldn't have health bodies recommending certain amounts.

00:23:00.000 And like you said, Pat, the way that this is perpetuated is because financial interests, in this case from Big Food, are able to Create the framing and flood the space with studies that they pay for, that obfuscate and confuse the reality, so that, you know, someone like... I consider myself to be a relatively smart-switched-on person.

00:23:21.000 I still eat processed sugar.

00:23:23.000 I literally put sugar in my tea and stuff.

00:23:27.000 I let my kids eat chocolate, you know, like, all day long, though, so that, you know, I use it to paliate them and calm them, and I know that it's Wrong.

00:23:37.000 And I guess now, at least, I can, you know, as an individually free person, start to feed my children and myself differently, and I suppose at least, you know, continue to do what you're doing to convey this type of messaging openly, so at least people know that they've got the information.

00:23:57.000 Yeah, Russell, just looking at the sign behind you, stay free, and I think that's the key thing.

00:24:03.000 Freedom is great, and I'm a libertarian.

00:24:06.000 I think we should not be banning cigarettes, not be banning alcohol, not be banning marijuana, not be banning sugar.

00:24:12.000 But it's anti-freedom.

00:24:14.000 It's just complete and utter rigging of the system and corruption to be paying.

00:24:18.000 And if you added up the food stamps and the other government programs, school lunches, it's over $100 billion, literally signing the bill for our own societal, truly societal destruction.

00:24:29.000 And we are becoming a non-competitive society.

00:24:31.000 Male sperm count is down 50% in a generation.

00:24:35.000 Female and Brazilian PCOS is skyrocketing.

00:24:37.000 It's at 20%.

00:24:38.000 25% by some estimates of women.

00:24:41.000 Our bodies, our core evolutionary functions are systematically breaking down

00:24:45.000 and it's very, very serious.

00:24:47.000 Look at a public space in America where 80% of people are overweight or obese.

00:24:51.000 I mean, this is not marginal.

00:24:54.000 And again, have a candy bar, put sugar in your tea.

00:25:00.000 I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm like anyone else.

00:25:03.000 That shouldn't be subsidized and we should treat it. 0.94

00:25:05.000 You know, I enjoy a beer once in a while, but treating that as some normal thing that we should, I mean, we have become gluttons. 0.52

00:25:13.000 Like, look at a store, look at a supermarket.

00:25:17.000 Every single, I've actually done audits of this.

00:25:20.000 If you go to a gas station or you go to where you buy food, every single item in eyesight, He has two, usually three of those unholy trinity of ingredients I said.

00:25:28.000 I mean, these are not things that we should be normally eating.

00:25:32.000 So you brought up a couple of good points.

00:25:34.000 And just one quick thing on the Joe Rogan thing, and I think this is important.

00:25:38.000 This is not hyperbole.

00:25:40.000 That in 2021 and 2020, when we were facing like the clearest demonstration yet that our metabolic health is such an important aspect, people that had good metabolic health, People that exercised, people that ate correctly, had almost a 0% chance of dying of COVID.

00:26:00.000 Okay?

00:26:01.000 And what an amazing example to us, you know, that we could really have a national effort to get our country a little bit more competitive and really cure the underlying cause of not only COVID deaths, but eight of the 10 leading causes of American death.

00:26:18.000 Eight of the 10 leading causes of American death are chronic conditions.

00:26:22.000 Okay?

00:26:22.000 And who was the number one threat to the medical system that Dr. Fauci on down were coordinating to call out in emails?

00:26:30.000 A podcast host that was saying every day the importance of exercising, eating well, being a good citizen, looking at the sun.

00:26:37.000 I mean, if you ever listen to the show, that is literally day after day what he is talking about.

00:26:43.000 And this is not a marginal thing.

00:26:45.000 It's not frivolous.

00:26:46.000 He was enemy number one.

00:26:48.000 That is an extremely disruptive message.

00:26:51.000 And you look at Dr. Fauci, I'll just say it, right?

00:26:55.000 He oversaw for the past 40 years, not only infectious disease, but autoimmune conditions, had a lot of oversight into funding for chronic conditions.

00:27:03.000 Under his watch, Chronic conditions have gone from around 10% of the population, they're at 60, on the road to 70%.

00:27:11.000 Autoimmune conditions, which are highly related to food, are off the charts.

00:27:15.000 Nowhere was Dr. Fauci screaming at the top of his lungs that we need to cut soda from food stamps, that we need to have a national policy, and just think about the oxygen and the money that was spent to get America to take a pharmaceutical product.

00:27:32.000 What if those trillions of dollars that we invested and attention from the leaders of health were around simple things like really stopping being a gluttonous society, being healthy, moving.

00:27:46.000 You know, a baby born loves to move, loves to look at the sun, has a predisposition to natural food.

00:27:51.000 You know, Russell, I really think this is actually a spiritual crisis that we're in.

00:27:55.000 We're getting away from our core, as you said, just understanding, it's so simple, but understanding what's going into our bodies.

00:28:02.000 I've been blind to this.

00:28:03.000 I was a defender of the pharma.

00:28:04.000 I was a defender of food.

00:28:05.000 But looking at a baby and thinking about what actually is the highest leverage things we can do for a citizen of this country, It's having more awe and understanding for the interconnectedness and basic metabolic habits that truly determine our happiness.

00:28:20.000 And there's actually, as you allude to, a way we can, from a public policy perspective, have leaders talk about that and shift money not going, you know, 95% of healthcare spending to drugs and interventions once people are sick, but shift it Not just to preventative.

00:28:36.000 People put food in a preventative box.

00:28:38.000 Actually, food can reverse most conditions better than any other.

00:28:41.000 You know, if you want to reverse diabetes, heart disease, dementia, there's groundbreaking studies showing the reversal of dementia and other brain issues, like schizophrenia, through food.

00:28:53.000 It's the number one way to reverse.

00:28:55.000 And we could, we could tomorrow, and this, this, I actually, Russell, I'll just close here, it gives me hope, because You're talking about it.

00:29:04.000 Obviously, Joe Rogan's talking about it.

00:29:05.000 I've been on a lot of health podcasts, both parties, every potential background.

00:29:11.000 Everyone's waking up to this.

00:29:12.000 There's a bottoms-up revolution.

00:29:14.000 And I'll tell you, a lot of members of Congress, I think their eyes have been blinded.

00:29:18.000 This is complicated.

00:29:19.000 But I think a lot of people are waking up.

00:29:21.000 Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up to discuss this in more depth, at more length, and in particular I want to ask you about a Zen pic we're going to have to transfer to being exclusively live on Rumble right now, so join us over there because I'm going to be asking Calli about how drug companies are I don't even want to say on YouTube, but they're using very unusual means to promote particular drugs.

00:29:44.000 So if you're watching this on YouTube, join us over on Rumble now, where the entire conversation is available.

00:29:50.000 Let's go.

00:29:51.000 Callie, what's this about a Zempik being... a Zempik, how it's being marketed irresponsibly?

00:30:00.000 And also, in particular, I was told that drug companies are using race to sell drugs.

00:30:05.000 Can you tell me a little bit about that, please?

00:30:09.000 Yeah, I've had some folks who I used to work with who are actually working for Ozempic now giving me some reports, and this was actually just reported in the news outlets, and I'm happy to say there's a lot of appetite for congressional investigation.

00:30:22.000 So, yeah, Russell, is it okay if I give kind of a quick overview of Ozempic?

00:30:26.000 I know you talked about it with Joe Rogan, and, you know, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.

00:30:31.000 I think it's a perfect case study.

00:30:32.000 So, cool to kind of give a top-down example of how this really... Yeah.

00:30:37.000 So, as I mentioned, and this is really important to understand, we are spending multiples more on healthcare and government healthcare in the U.S.

00:30:44.000 than the defense budget.

00:30:46.000 What's really bankrupting the country and really causing a competitiveness crisis is healthcare.

00:30:51.000 Now, this is not an exaggeration.

00:30:53.000 If Ozepic is approved, it will double, double the amount that Medicaid and Medicare, our two largest healthcare programs in the United States, spend on drugs.

00:31:04.000 Double.

00:31:05.000 And we're already at breaking our budget because of healthcare.

00:31:10.000 Ozempic is targeting 80% of the American people. 0.97

00:31:15.000 80% of the American people are overweight or obese.

00:31:19.000 And in America, once something's defined as a disease, you can't have the legislatures or lawmakers dictate what a doctor does.

00:31:29.000 You have some of this in Europe, but when Obama tried to have any type of approval of what a doctor can do, it's like, oh no no, Dr. Obama can't intercede with a patient and a doctor.

00:31:38.000 So once it's approved as a disease, once this drug's approved, it's free reign.

00:31:42.000 The target market is 80%.

00:31:45.000 And another key thing to understand in America, Is that when volume goes up, you can't lower the drug prices.

00:31:52.000 The drug prices are set.

00:31:54.000 The drug prices, the government has no authority of the drug prices.

00:31:57.000 So right now, Zimpic is $2,000 a month.

00:31:58.000 And you would assume, you know, if it's if it goes to 40% of the population, you know, usually price goes down.

00:32:04.000 That doesn't happen in health care ever.

00:32:07.000 That doesn't happen with drugs.

00:32:09.000 So that $2,000 number is static.

00:32:11.000 There's no price controls in America.

00:32:14.000 Okay, so there's an all-out battle right now to define obesity as a disease, and that goes to Fatima Stanford, who we talked about, the head obesity doctor at Harvard, goes on 60 Minutes, and she says, and this is key, she says, Americans have no control over obesity. She said it's not related to diet and it's not

00:32:35.000 related to movement.

00:32:36.000 It's just something people are unlucky to get through genetics. That's key 0.98

00:32:40.000 because once something is defined as a disease you can prescribe something for

00:32:44.000 it. And interestingly, and this is the new news, we talked about the NAACP and this

00:32:50.000 is this is evil.

00:32:52.000 Uh, the NAACP, I helped sear money to them for Coke for the NAACP to vociferously argue that parents who were concerned about their kids drinking too much Coke, which was paid for on food stamps, were racist.

00:33:02.000 And there was New York Times reporting the time and weaponized race to keep Coke on food stamps.

00:33:07.000 That happened in 2011.

00:33:09.000 Today, the maker of Ozempic is paying the NAACP, and the NAACP is putting out press releases and lobbying.

00:33:17.000 There are registered lobbyists on this issue.

00:33:20.000 They are telling members of Congress that it is an example of systemic oppression.

00:33:25.000 To keep government funding away from Ozempic because underprivileged communities have so much obesity.

00:33:30.000 Of course this is totally twist the issue, but they are aggressively lobbying.

00:33:35.000 Novo Nordics, and this was leaked, they put out talking points to their allies.

00:33:40.000 It's saying explicitly that the lack of government funding for their drug is an example of systemic racism.

00:33:46.000 Those talking points are being used by Dr. Fatima Stanford and other doctors at Harvard and other leading places, and they're writing medical journal articles saying the way to reduce racism, the way to have an anti-racist agenda, is to approve government funding.

00:34:03.000 Again, Russell, I'm just going to bring this down to that child, that 15-year-old child.

00:34:07.000 A 15-year-old child who's prescribed Azimbic is inevitably on a statin.

00:34:12.000 They inevitably have high blood pressure and taking a drug for that.

00:34:14.000 They inevitably, you know, if you're diabetic, you're three times more likely to be depressed and commit suicide.

00:34:19.000 Inevitably, they have some depression issues.

00:34:22.000 You know, inevitably, they're going to be dealing with fertility issues. 1.00

00:34:25.000 They're probably ADHD.

00:34:27.000 They're on a lot of these drugs, right?

00:34:29.000 Does anyone actually think?

00:34:32.000 That adding another lifetime drug that has really serious metabolic effects, this is a precipice moment.

00:34:39.000 This is a precipice.

00:34:41.000 Like, when are we going to say and realize that close to 100% of COVID deaths were people that had preventable metabolic dysfunction?

00:34:48.000 When are we going to realize that 8 of the 10 killers of Americans are... There are things we can do.

00:34:53.000 Why the hell aren't we having a national discussion, you know, to call sugar whether this is a highly addictive drug, And to think about the $4 trillion we spend on, or just take Ozipic, $2,000 a month.

00:35:07.000 This is what we're talking about with members of Congress.

00:35:09.000 What if you took that $2,000 a month and actually asked how to reverse what we have?

00:35:13.000 There's so many creative things you can do, right?

00:35:16.000 We're not, this isn't inevitable.

00:35:18.000 That we are going to this pharma-owned state, right?

00:35:21.000 Like literally, like $2,000 per patient is going to go from Ozempic.

00:35:25.000 That's on track to happen this year.

00:35:27.000 There's so much better things and it's not inevitable.

00:35:30.000 And nobody, Russell, would design this system.

00:35:32.000 Nobody, you know, polls just came out showing like patriotism, religious affiliation, you know, going down.

00:35:38.000 All of these institutions, depression skyrocketing.

00:35:40.000 We're losing touch with our bodies, you know.

00:35:44.000 20% only of 21-year-olds are eligible to join the military because our population is so sedentary.

00:35:50.000 I mean, we've got a serious issue.

00:35:52.000 And actually, the solutions are pretty damn simple.

00:35:55.000 Take that $2,000 and ask, how do we incentivize better eating, more natural eating, movement?

00:36:02.000 We can do this.

00:36:04.000 And it's existential.

00:36:06.000 Yeah, it's very interesting to listen to you, Callie, and I understand that you're a libertarian, and there's so much within libertarianism that I agree with.

00:36:14.000 certainly individual freedom, the maximum amount of freedom for the maximum amount of

00:36:18.000 people.

00:36:20.000 And it's even clearer to see why more and more people are becoming libertarian when

00:36:24.000 the state has so plainly partnered corporations when the biggest argument for state intervention

00:36:31.000 is the ability that the state would have to protect the public, perhaps from foreign invasion

00:36:36.000 and certainly from ongoing corporate invasion.

00:36:39.000 It seems that there is a necessity for some assistance, service, help, aid for the many

00:36:45.000 sick people in the world, particularly around the subject of mental health.

00:36:49.000 It appears that there's a mental health crisis.

00:36:51.000 Am I right in saying that 40 million Americans are on daily antidepressants now and that

00:36:57.000 similarly this is something that could be decreased, altered radically by changing diet

00:37:03.000 and changing behavior?

00:37:05.000 Bye.

00:37:06.000 Bye.

00:37:07.000 Russell, it's tragic.

00:37:10.000 If you put any animal, let's just go back to the animal.

00:37:13.000 It's instructive for me.

00:37:16.000 If you put any animal in a cage with limited sunlight, with limited movement, and feed them ultra-processed crab, any animal would go crazy very quickly.

00:37:30.000 And, you know, again, I'm a libertarian.

00:37:32.000 I'm a capitalist, but I don't think we have a capitalist system.

00:37:34.000 I think we have a crony capitalist oligarchy basically right now.

00:37:38.000 I mean, we have an absolutely rigged system where an American child is a product and through a lot of incentives, We have been, and this is where I really think it gets to a spiritual level, too.

00:37:48.000 We have just been completely removed from our body.

00:37:51.000 We're thinking it's almost like fringe science to talk about nutrition.

00:37:54.000 Literally, that's how nutrition is defined in medical school. 1.00

00:37:57.000 When my sister, you know, asked maybe somebody with seven comorbidities could look at their diet, they said, don't be a pussy. 1.00

00:38:03.000 That's pseudoscience nutrition. 0.99

00:38:05.000 We do surgeries here.

00:38:06.000 We prescribe pills.

00:38:07.000 That's serious medicine.

00:38:08.000 That is how medicine sees literally the one ton of food that we put in

00:38:14.000 our body. You talk to a doctor at Harvard or Stanford about the importance of looking at sunlight or

00:38:19.000 even sedentary behavior. That's considered, oh, preventative community health organizations

00:38:25.000 can work on that. We have been systematically removed, and that ties to mental health,

00:38:32.000 Russell. I just cannot say this enough, and I'm on a journey too.

00:38:36.000 I mean, this, you know, this all, you know, with my mom and, you know, COVID and different things, I've been on, we all are on a mental health journey.

00:38:46.000 But I just cannot say this, like, just clearly enough, and science backs this up, if you change your diet, And you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up at least a week for three months, you will feel something.

00:38:58.000 through ingredients we talked about, and you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up

00:39:03.000 at least a week for three months, you will feel something.

00:39:07.000 You know, if you get sleep, these basic habits, and the fact that these aren't just the foundation

00:39:15.000 when somebody's struggling with some mental health disorders

00:39:18.000 of getting your sleep, getting movement, looking at your diet, these things impact our cells.

00:39:24.000 20% of our energy is created in our brain, okay?

00:39:27.000 As I said, literally dementia, even schizophrenia.

00:39:31.000 highly related. There's studies out of Harvard from some great doctors actually at Harvard

00:39:36.000 and others. Chris Palmer, this book Brain Energy. These are metabolic conditions. So

00:39:42.000 we just have this detachment from our head being separate from the rest of our body.

00:39:50.000 The first line of defense should be sleep, movement.

00:39:55.000 Another study, Tucker.

00:39:57.000 I have Tucker on the line.

00:39:59.000 I'm sorry.

00:39:59.000 We both recently chatted with him.

00:40:03.000 That's the category I'm in now.

00:40:04.000 That's where you're on.

00:40:06.000 Intuitive mind is taking us.

00:40:08.000 We've gone through Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, that's what it's become now.

00:40:13.000 Kelly, having met Tucker Carlson recently, it's, for me, a favourable comparison.

00:40:19.000 It's certainly not something I have a problem with.

00:40:21.000 I was just texting with him, actually, and I'm just amazed that he... It's just so awesome he's talking about this, and he just had Mark Hyman on, who's a hero of mine, so...

00:40:32.000 I guess he was on the mind.

00:40:34.000 But yeah, the fact that it's not the first line offense is a scandal.

00:40:38.000 Russell, listen, I'm not saying it's good or bad on the SSRIs, but the fact that 25% of adult women are on an SSRI in America, it's an undiscussed societal dynamic.

00:40:48.000 This is a numbing drug.

00:40:49.000 This is a drug, again, that takes someone out of society a little bit, that numbs them a little bit.

00:40:55.000 And when 25% of the country of women are on a very strong, very numbing psychoactive drug, That's a dynamic. 0.56

00:41:09.000 To me, the mental health absolutely goes on this.

00:41:11.000 It's not a coincidence that now the second leading cause of death for teenagers is suicide.

00:41:17.000 Obviously, mental health problems are going off the charts.

00:41:21.000 It's very simple.

00:41:22.000 We are basically in boxes, sunless boxes, sedentary, with feeding tubes, feeding ourselves I appreciate what you said at the beginning, Russell.

00:41:34.000 Let's not be hyperbolic here, but that is true. 0.98

00:41:37.000 A hundred years ago, 0% of our diet was ultra-processed, close to it.

00:41:41.000 Now, it's 75%.

00:41:43.000 The ingredients I talked about were not in existence a hundred years ago.

00:41:46.000 We're putting into our bodies things we're not biologically made to eat, and that's impacting our brain.

00:41:51.000 The last thing I'll say on mental health You know, the head of the Harvard Psychology Department, they were putting on a conference on psychiatry and mental health, and they were looking for a speaker to talk about potential other modalities from SSRIs.

00:42:05.000 And the dean of the psychology school said they actually could not find a professor or doctor that wasn't conflicted with SSRI makers.

00:42:13.000 SSRIs are very much like Ozempic. 0.99

00:42:16.000 If you think about the raw economic incentives, they don't cure anything.

00:42:20.000 There's no science ever.

00:42:22.000 Actually, there's increasing science saying that they don't work at all better than a placebo.

00:42:26.000 But there's absolutely, everyone would agree, you go off of them, you're not cured.

00:42:31.000 Now, again, there might be some uses for them.

00:42:34.000 I'm not giving a blanket statement.

00:42:35.000 But the fact is, this is recurring revenue.

00:42:38.000 You are being pressured by your psychologist to be on these.

00:42:38.000 Right?

00:42:41.000 These are treatment for life.

00:42:42.000 Okay?

00:42:43.000 And that's great.

00:42:44.000 That's recurring appointments.

00:42:45.000 That's recurring pharma revenue.

00:42:47.000 It's just interesting, and just getting into a little bit of history, but, you know, the whole war on drugs, Nixon, people don't know this, but the grandfather of the Sackler family who did Purdue Pharma with the opioid crisis, their grandfather actually basically invented SSRIs and benzos and mental health medications because he saw that was the biggest market for chronic disease cures.

00:43:07.000 And he actually, his ally, actually wrote the War on Drugs legislation, the scheduling.

00:43:12.000 And it put, you know, SSRIs, benzos, other things that put them at a high, you know, not as worse of a class.

00:43:18.000 They actually saw, at the time, psychedelics as a threat because, as we see in increasing research, these are a one-time treatment.

00:43:24.000 It's not really a good pharma drug, right?

00:43:26.000 If the science says it can have long-term effects in one treatment, that's not pharma's business model.

00:43:30.000 And there's been a systematic, really from the War on Drugs onward, denigration and that actually is tied a lot to mental

00:43:38.000 health medications. The last thing I'll just say here, Tucker, I think it's an

00:43:42.000 important differentiation because a lot of people say, well hasn't the medical system

00:43:45.000 done great stuff? You know, we're being too mean here and the mental health hits

00:43:50.000 on this very well.

00:43:51.000 It's chronic versus acute. Every medical innovation and miracle we can think of

00:43:58.000 most likely is an acute solve.

00:44:00.000 It's an antibiotic to cure infection.

00:44:01.000 It's emergency surgical procedures or procedures for birth.

00:44:05.000 A birth was a very dangerous thing 100 years ago.

00:44:07.000 Now it's not.

00:44:08.000 It's if you have an appendicitis.

00:44:09.000 If you have something that's about to kill you, if you have a gunshot wound or a burst appendix or a complicated childbirth, go to the doctor.

00:44:15.000 It's a miracle what we've done.

00:44:17.000 But the problem is that the first chronic disease treatment in 1960, zero dollars, 0% of the medical budget was chronic issues.

00:44:26.000 The birth control pill showed that you can have a long-term pill.

00:44:28.000 That was the first chronic disease pill.

00:44:30.000 And a lot of people looked at that and said, how can we treat other chronic conditions that don't go away?

00:44:35.000 And now over 90% of medical spending is chronic conditions.

00:44:39.000 So we've shifted everything.

00:44:40.000 We haven't invented new antibiotic strains in decades.

00:44:43.000 We're not investing in things that go away.

00:44:47.000 We are only investing in managing chronic care.

00:44:51.000 That's 90% of cost.

00:44:52.000 But what's happened?

00:44:53.000 What's happened?

00:44:54.000 The rates of disease has gone up.

00:44:56.000 Cancer hasn't budged.

00:44:57.000 We've spent trillions on cancer.

00:45:00.000 Cancer rates are going up.

00:45:02.000 Cancer rates are going up.

00:45:03.000 We spend a trillion dollars plus on diabetes care.

00:45:06.000 Diabetes is skyrocketing.

00:45:10.000 This is what folks need and even members of Congress.

00:45:13.000 I'm actually glad that they're realizing this.

00:45:15.000 They don't even fully grapple with this.

00:45:18.000 Chronic disease management has been a cataclysm.

00:45:23.000 Siloing the human body into 42 different parts and somebody that's diabetic and obese and has heart disease and depression.

00:45:31.000 The fact that they're going to six different doctors for six different pills.

00:45:34.000 This has been a disaster.

00:45:36.000 This is our life's work.

00:45:37.000 We need to unwind that and actually understand the interconnectedness of our body, which sounds almost like hippie, but it's actually like, I think, very grounded in science and what we have to do to turn this around.

00:45:50.000 Cheers, Callie.

00:45:51.000 You're getting a lot of love in the chat.

00:45:54.000 Some people are asking about the three foods that we should be avoiding.

00:45:59.000 Just to reiterate that is sugar, seed oil, and what type of grains?

00:46:04.000 Hyper what grains?

00:46:06.000 Highly processed grains, yeah.

00:46:09.000 If you look at a label, like it's a funny little thing, you notice this.

00:46:12.000 You go to a grocery store, pick up a package, you're going to see some kind of highly processed wheat, right?

00:46:19.000 That's usually the first thing.

00:46:20.000 It's unbelievable what we can do with wheat, you know, highly processed grains, sugar, and seed oils.

00:46:26.000 You're going to see that, you're going to see canola oil, and you're going to see sugar.

00:46:30.000 I mean, I just tweeted something, a post put out a a wellness product for cereal to go to sleep.

00:46:38.000 And it's called like Sweet Dreams Cereal.

00:46:41.000 It's literally the, what was it?

00:46:46.000 Four different types of sugar, three different types of processed grains,

00:46:51.000 and three different seed oils, canola, soybean, sunflower oil.

00:46:55.000 That was it.

00:46:56.000 And then some fortified vitamins.

00:46:59.000 Amazingly, getting to the corruption, right?

00:47:01.000 We've talked to, I think briefly mentioned the Food Compass, but the lead NIH study.

00:47:07.000 This you can't even make up.

00:47:08.000 The lead NIH nutrition study, you kind of thought maybe this thing's over, people are wising up.

00:47:13.000 This came out in the past year, funded millions of dollars by the NIH.

00:47:17.000 They also allowed cereal companies and food companies to fund that study.

00:47:20.000 It says that lucky charms are healthier than eggs and beef, and that's being aggressively used right now to impact nutrition guidelines.

00:47:28.000 Let me just tell you, and let's get into the highly processed grains.

00:47:32.000 The shelf-stable grains, you just have to, you don't need any studies.

00:47:35.000 If something can stay on the counter for years, right, there's maybe just something wrong with that, right?

00:47:44.000 And the fact is that what rots is the fiber, which is actually giving you a lot of nutrition and blunts the glucose impact.

00:47:51.000 So that grain, when you eat a processed grain, which is really any packaged food, It increases your glucose levels in your blood.

00:47:59.000 It turns into sugar, essentially.

00:48:02.000 And that's leading to the fact, you know, as I said, 50% of adults have prediabetes or diabetes.

00:48:08.000 The blood sugar dysregulation is a huge issue and we just normalized eating the stuff that really were not made to eat.

00:48:15.000 They're also not that lucky.

00:48:17.000 We can move on now, Kelly, to just before we wrap up the show, why don't we talk about a few solutions?

00:48:23.000 I understand you've got like a three-point plan, a legal policy and personal habit approach to solutions.

00:48:30.000 Kelly, can you just give us that to wrap up our conversation, mate?

00:48:35.000 Yeah, I mean on the personal empowerment, this is my message and this is what my sister and I are writing in our book.

00:48:41.000 I just want to highlight this again.

00:48:43.000 Embrace that you've been gaslighted.

00:48:46.000 Embrace that you are a product.

00:48:48.000 And embrace that there are trillions of dollars to confuse you and we are the only animal that's systematically confused.

00:48:56.000 Embrace that That, OK?

00:48:59.000 And I really just go to those three ingredients.

00:49:03.000 If you can look at labels and do those three ingredients, just limit those products.

00:49:08.000 You'd be shocked what's sneaking into your kid's food and your food.

00:49:11.000 I went through my dad.

00:49:13.000 My dad has a daughter who's a metabolic health leader, and I'm on the warpath.

00:49:17.000 You go through his fridge, all the stuff from Whole Foods that has these ingredients.

00:49:20.000 It's sneaking in everywhere.

00:49:22.000 If you can just be vigilant from Highly processed grains, seed oils, canola, sunflower, etc.

00:49:27.000 and sugar.

00:49:29.000 You get 70-80% there.

00:49:30.000 You will transform your health.

00:49:32.000 And then it's simple.

00:49:33.000 I'm just going to say a simple thing, Russell.

00:49:35.000 I just cannot stress this enough.

00:49:36.000 We are not made to exercise.

00:49:39.000 Until, you know, 50 years ago, that was just part of what we did.

00:49:44.000 Exercise didn't exist for 99.999% of human history.

00:49:46.000 Humans just had to move.

00:49:50.000 We have been systematically become sedentary.

00:49:52.000 So I actually hate exercise.

00:49:54.000 Exercise is a totally new thing where it's like, okay, take more time out of your day and spend more money, right, to go to the gym that basically do what we're biologically supposed to do normally.

00:50:03.000 We have to, as a policy, make movement more embedded in daily life.

00:50:06.000 But until then, you have to think of exercise in that standpoint.

00:50:09.000 It is absolutely vital.

00:50:11.000 If you take 10,000 steps a day, And Casey's talking about this.

00:50:14.000 We're talking about this book.

00:50:15.000 If you take 10,000 steps a day, if you make movement more part of your life, if you understand that that is just essential for ourselves as animals, that we're not that we're not only doing some aerobic exercise and getting to the gym, but exercising, standing up, walking.

00:50:26.000 If you take 10,000 steps, The chance of you getting diabetes, heart disease, dementia, other conditions, is almost zero.

00:50:33.000 The United States should have a national emergency strategy to have people moving more.

00:50:38.000 Not just with exercise, but just as part of daily life.

00:50:40.000 So that's, those are two huge things.

00:50:43.000 The two other quick ones I'll say is sleep.

00:50:44.000 We've talked about sleep, but that's absolutely vital.

00:50:46.000 And then the sun.

00:50:47.000 We are made from the sun.

00:50:49.000 It is, Dr. Human has talked about this, a lot of people have talked about this,

00:50:52.000 but just the basic biological necessities.

00:50:56.000 For 99.99% until 150 years ago, 200 years ago, we spent most of the time outside.

00:51:02.000 Until 200 years ago, when the sun went down, we were done, like we went to sleep.

00:51:07.000 Our circadian rhythm has been totally taken out of whack.

00:51:11.000 Airplanes were only popularized 60 years ago.

00:51:14.000 For most of human history, we were in one place, We went to bed when the lights went down.

00:51:19.000 You know, we weren't, our clocks weren't all out of whack.

00:51:21.000 That's having a huge impact and just respecting our circadian biology.

00:51:25.000 So those are a couple things we're talking about.

00:51:27.000 I want to stress this.

00:51:28.000 A lot of influencers, a lot of people that sell products want to make it complicated.

00:51:32.000 We need to understand that our biological needs have been taken away.

00:51:35.000 And if you can't afford, frankly, better food or able to move to a smaller house, if you're not able to get sleep because of your job or because you're Boyfriend snoring, dump the boyfriend.

00:51:49.000 If your dog's bothering you getting sleep, get rid of the dog.

00:51:53.000 We have to incentivize and prioritize these basic metabolic habits.

00:51:57.000 And then the policy solutions, Russell.

00:52:01.000 There's easy policy solutions.

00:52:03.000 We need to cut the sugar recommendations.

00:52:06.000 My company, TruMed, is, I think, an important pillar on this.

00:52:11.000 We need to incentivize.

00:52:13.000 So there's tax-free accounts, $150 billion in these HSA accounts in the U.S.

00:52:19.000 where you can buy medical items tax-free.

00:52:23.000 Most of that goes to drug.

00:52:25.000 If a doctor writes a note saying you need food and exercise to prevent a condition, then that counts.

00:52:30.000 It counts for a 30-40% savings.

00:52:33.000 So what we need to do eventually is spend less money on drugs and move more money to fixing our food system.

00:52:39.000 That's what we're doing at TruMed, where you can buy exercise and food tax-free.

00:52:44.000 Callie, thanks once again.

00:52:46.000 It's been a fantastic conversation.

00:52:48.000 Endlessly informative.

00:52:49.000 I've changed my name a couple of times during the conversation.

00:52:52.000 You can find out more about Callie and his work at TrueMed.com.

00:52:56.000 Also, you can see Callie at Community in 2023.

00:52:59.000 That's between July the 14th and July the 17th in the Hay on Why in the UK alongside Vandana Shiva, Wim Hof and so many others.

00:53:08.000 Callie, thanks for joining us.

00:53:09.000 That was fantastic and informative.

00:53:12.000 You're a hero.

00:53:12.000 Thank you.

00:53:13.000 Looking forward to meeting you in person, sleeping eight hours, eating only natural food, doing some exercise, and reiterating my actual name.

00:53:23.000 Kali, thank you so much for joining me.

00:53:25.000 So much love, mate.

00:53:26.000 Next week, Marianne Williamson, spiritual leader and presidential candidate for 2024, will be joining me.

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