Kali Means is a whistleblower and activist who exposes corruption in big food and pharma. She grew up in a family of doctors and turned her passion for fighting Big Food into a career in politics and activism. She and her sister, Casey, are anti-Big Food and anti-Pharma crusaders who are fighting for a healthier, more balanced, and more accessible America. In this episode, we talk about how they became activists and how they got their start in the fight against Big Food and Big Pharma. And they talk about the tragic story of their mom, who was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at a young age and died from it 13 days later, and how it changed the trajectory of her family s medical career and how she became a hero in her own right. You can find out more about her story and her activism here. See it first on RUMBLE, where you can get a free copy of her new book, "I'm Being Lied To: How Big Food Helped Create America's Worst Disease." RATE 5 STARS! Subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts! Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices. Rate, review, and subscribe to our new podcast, Dear Podcaster: Rate/subscribe to our newest podcast, Podchaser! Subscribe to Seeds of Wonder, wherever you get your favorite podcaster, and don't forget to leave us a rating and review our podcast on iTunes! If you like what you're listening to, we'll be giving away a copy of our newest episode on the podcast, Seeds of the podcast next week! Subscribe and review it on Podchirp! Thanks for listening to Seeds Of Wonderous, by clicking here. and we'll send you a review on iTunes and other links to our podcast, too, you'll get a shout-out on the podchirping it on your favorite podcasting platform, and a chance to be featured on our social media platforms everywhere else? and more! - Thank you for listening and sharing it out there on PodChirps, and we're spreading the word out there! . Thank you, you're an amazing humanist, byeee - Russell Brand, byeeeeeeeeeeayeee, and your feedback is so inspiring, and I'll be listening to it on this podcast, and you can help us out there, and it's a big thank you!
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00:00:59.000It's Friday, which is the best day of the week because we, every Friday, have an in-depth conversation with free thinkers, radicals, disruptors, campaigners, and philosophers.
00:01:08.000Today, I'll be speaking with Kali Means.
00:01:11.000A whistleblower and activist who exposes corruption in big food and pharma.
00:01:16.000What's happening, um, where, you know, 15% of kids have fatty liver disease, 25% of kids have prediabetes or diabetes.
00:01:23.000You know, we're being brought to our knees.
00:01:24.000When we had him on the show before, just for a guest for 20 minutes, our video went viral.
00:01:30.000These are simple metabolic things where we're biologically just destroying ourselves.
00:01:34.000Then the medical system now is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States, which is just staggering to wrap your head around.
00:01:41.000Today he'll be talking to us about the use of fear to weaponize the pharmaceutical industry.
00:01:46.000If you change your diet and you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up, you will feel something.
00:01:53.000And once we click over to being exclusively on Rumble, I'm going to be talking to Calli about a story that I can't even begin to describe to you.
00:02:01.000It's so obscure, corrupt, and unusual, I can only talk about it on Rumble.
00:02:06.000I don't even want to bring up the subject on YouTube, because I can't even personally make sense of it.
00:02:11.000And I'm going to let Calli Means handle the potential legislative fallout by explaining it himself.
00:02:16.000Please, let's welcome to the show Calli Means.
00:03:25.000She was looking over a patient six years into residency and cutting over, she was a head and neck surgeon, cutting open their sinuses.
00:03:33.000And she realized that patient was under her knife six months before.
00:03:37.000And she realized that she had no idea why that patient had this recurring inflammation.
00:03:44.000And she actually, as one of the most credentialed, educated, accomplished surgeons in the country, did not know why the patients under her knife were sick.
00:03:51.000And tying that back, Stanford Med School, Harvard Med School, top med schools in this country, more than 50% of their money touches pharma somehow.
00:04:52.000My mom was one of 50% of Americans who has prediabetes or diabetes.
00:04:56.000It's highly correlated many forms of cancer.
00:04:58.000Dementia, Alzheimer's is now called type 3 diabetes.
00:05:01.000And what my sister and I are really on the warpath is this simple thesis, which is that we're being lied to.
00:05:08.000Um, what's happening, um, where, you know, 15% of kids have fatty liver disease, 25% of kids have prediabetes or diabetes, you know, we're being brought to our knees by these sicknesses and mental, you know, and you can't say that what's going on with our body isn't going on in our brains.
00:05:39.000Our kids are not being... Kids are born where they want to move.
00:05:42.000They're being put on desks without sun.
00:05:45.000These are simple metabolic things where we're biologically just destroying ourselves.
00:05:49.000And we're really on the warpath to try to simplify how we think about science.
00:05:54.000Because as we're talking about, it's due to a very rigged system.
00:05:57.000We're confused due to a rigged system.
00:05:59.000When you say something like we're being poisoned, Callie, that sounds incredibly incendiary.
00:06:06.000Sorry, I should pass on my sympathies about, you know, the story about your mother's pretty disturbing and stuff.
00:06:11.000But I wanted to say that that's a very provocative thing to say.
00:06:17.000Now, I know that Big Food spend a lot of money on lobbying, and it appears that the relationship between Big Food and big pharma is a mutually beneficial one.
00:06:30.000The kind of food that we're eating is making us sick.
00:06:34.000But I don't want to be hysterical or reductive, maybe too late for that now,
00:06:39.000because I'd like to be reassured, Kali, that you have plain evidence that we're eating food
00:06:46.000that is bad for us, that is causing us diseases that are preventable, that there are substances in our food.
00:06:52.000In fact, that there is an overview around the type of diet that we should have that's irresponsible and it requires re-evaluation.
00:07:00.000I know that this is your life's work, and in a sense, given your relationship with your sister, part of your family's dharma, but can you explain to me, using actual examples, how there is a large-scale poisoning of the American people that's leading to preventable illnesses and death?
00:07:41.000And the dirty secret, and just from purely financially speaking, that child in America is an absolute goldmine.
00:07:50.000Because that child probably has pre-diabetes, you know, which is from ultra-processed food, probably has obesity, probably has high cholesterol, probably has high blood pressure.
00:08:11.000The budget is greater than the Defense Department.
00:08:14.000This is the health care for lower-income folks.
00:08:17.000And a sick kid with chronic conditions, what does that mean?
00:08:21.000The kid's not going to die, but for the rest of their life.
00:08:24.000They need a statin for their cholesterol.
00:08:26.000They need metformin and insulin for their diabetes.
00:08:29.000They need, inevitably, Adderall, which 15% of kids are, for their ADHD.
00:08:32.000They need Ambien because they're going to have sleep problems from all these issues.
00:08:35.000They're going to need opioids because they're going to be in chronic pain.
00:08:38.000They're going to inevitably have fertility issues.
00:08:40.000Male sperm counts down 50 percent, so they're going to need medication for that.
00:08:43.000They're inevitably going to have erectile dysfunction, which is just constrainment of the blood vessels, which is basically the same thing as heart disease.
00:08:49.000They're going to be on all these pills, right?
00:08:53.000Oh, we're treating that person, right?
00:08:54.000What's bankrupting the United States right now Far greater than defense, far greater than any other line item, is these people that get sick early.
00:09:05.000So the medical system looks at that and says, you know, that kid is gonna go to six different doctors.
00:09:12.000As I said, my sister, she didn't learn about the overall metabolic health, about how ultra-processed food hurts our cells and shows up in all of those symptoms.
00:09:34.000That child who's going to have a ton of comorbidities is very profitable.
00:09:38.000And there's a lot of incentives to make this complicated.
00:09:41.000There's a lot of incentives to send that kid to six different doctors, to a psychologist for that SSRI, to a neurologist for the ADHD medication, for the cardiologist for the heart disease.
00:10:32.000Highly processed grains, which didn't exist until 1900, which is where you take the fiber off, it's shelf-stable, no nutrition, and then because the fiber's out, it's a glucose bomb.
00:10:41.000And then, this is important, seed oils.
00:10:43.000Seed oils are the top source of American fat right now.
00:10:46.000These were created by John Rockefeller in the early 1900s as an industrial byproduct from oil production.
00:10:53.000Our main source of fat, when you look at the label, canola oil, soybean oil, this is an industrial byproduct that's much cheaper than good fats like olive oil, avocado oil, ghee, grass-fed butter, things like that.
00:11:59.000I was thinking then, Callie, about how like in sort of pre-civilised, as they were known, human cultures, we would totemise the plants that we required in order to survive, or the animals that we hunted in order to survive.
00:12:15.000They would be Sacred and divine, and we would have an explicitly sacred, if such a thing is possible, relationship with them.
00:12:26.000Now that we live in these vast monocultures, where animals are slaughtered en masse, where crops are grown en masse and highly processed, We have become like the food that we eat.
00:12:42.000When you sort of spoke about that, you know, a 15 year old child is a sickly goldmine that could be latched onto, lashed up and profited from.
00:12:52.000I can see how we are being farmed, how we have become a type of commodity.
00:12:58.000And to hear that just with the removal of those three things, sugar, seed oil and highly
00:13:03.000processed grain, we could meaningfully alter the health of our populations, it seems to
00:13:10.000me that this is the type of legislation that should be immediately passed, that our farming
00:13:15.000practices ought to change immediately.
00:13:20.000is good for anything is good for that. But because what you're describing is so
00:13:25.000radical, Kali, and because today you're meeting with people in Congress, and
00:13:30.000obviously I wouldn't expect you to tell me anything that's private, what
00:13:34.000concerns me is that what we tend to accept are minor reforms, small victories,
00:13:40.000when what's clearly required here is a revolution.
00:13:44.000Those kind of interests with that kind of lobbying money, they're not going to go without a fight.
00:14:05.000What the hell are you doing in Congress?
00:14:07.000And in your view, what kind of legislation should be passed to all of this Terrible, deadly trajectory.
00:14:16.000No, you're absolutely right about that stat, Russell, and shockingly, and this is just, I can't even wrap my head around, healthcare is the largest and the fastest growing industry in the United States, producing worse outcomes.
00:14:27.000Usually innovation, you know, I'm an entrepreneur in tech, usually innovation is lower cost, better outcomes.
00:14:33.000Healthcare is higher cost, worse outcomes.
00:14:34.000and it's growing again faster than any other industry. I think we gloss our eyes over at
00:14:39.000the rate of health care costs in the U.S. and the stats are set a lot, but it's going to be 40% of
00:14:44.000GDP in 15 years and this is not slowing down. It truly is going to bankrupt our country and
00:14:48.000we're becoming a non-competitive and fertile fat civilization.
00:14:59.000There's definitely systemic issues, and let's talk about that right now.
00:15:01.000And then I think your viewers, and it's just amazing, a huge diversity of people are waking up and taking more personal empowerment, because it's got to be a bottom-up revolution.
00:15:09.000But I want to make some points on the top down, because I think this is really important.
00:15:14.000A lot of people throw up their hands and say, well, it's hard to diet.
00:15:58.000Everyone needs, and I will say, politicians I think are waking up to this.
00:16:02.000It's not about slightly altering Medicare Part D. It's not about going into page 300 in the Medicaid law.
00:16:08.000It is understanding that the problem with healthcare is that every single lever that touches our health profits off people being sick and loses money when they're healthy.
00:16:16.000The problem is healthcare is the most employed industry in the country, and everyone from a pharma company to a hospital to a medical school, they make more money when more people are sick, which is exactly what's happening.
00:16:26.000Even insurance companies, which people think should want to save money, actually now, they can only take 15% profit margin, and by law, in Obamacare, can actually raise premiums to get that 15%.
00:16:37.000So they actually, since they're capped at 15%, want costs to grow, which is exactly what's happened in the past decade.
00:16:43.000All that's happened is people get sicker, costs grow, and insurance company revenues go up.
00:16:48.000So we have to realize that one fact, and it's interesting.
00:16:50.000A lot of members of Congress care about this issue.
00:16:52.000A lot of them want to go up against their lobbyists, but actually they don't even understand the simple fact.
00:17:02.000The most shameful policy in America, in my opinion, the most shining example of corporate cronyism, really evil towards kids, is the fact that the USDA, the most influential health organization and food
00:17:15.000organization in the country, and I would probably the world, they recommend 10% added
00:17:37.000You know, there's big differences between stronger drugs like heroin, but when you do brain imaging scans, the dopamine release is very similar to any other drug like that.
00:17:56.000But why is it that way? 95% Of the folks in 2020 who made the nutritional guidelines.
00:18:02.000And now in 2025, in the administration for President Biden on the USDA updated nutrition guidelines, Dr. Fatima Stanford, who you've talked about, the Harvard obesity doctor who said obesity is genetic and not the result of food.
00:18:16.000You can't make this up, but she is literally on the nutrition guidelines, making guidelines not only for the US, but that impacts the world saying sugar, inevitably, she will not reduce the sugar.
00:18:26.000So the key point here, Russell, is that for better or worse, Americans listen to medical authorities.
00:18:33.000You know, when the Surgeon General in the 1980s said smoking was bad, you know, many years too late, smoking plummeted.
00:18:41.000You know, Philip Morris at the time was one of the five largest companies in the world when that Surgeon General's report came out.
00:18:47.000You know, in the 1990s, we remember the food pyramid which said, you know, eat more carbs, Carb consumption went up 20% in America.
00:18:55.000And then for better or worse, when Dr. Fauci told Americans to get the vaccine, I think it's close to 90% of people got one of the vaccines.
00:19:01.000People listen to what authorities say for better or worse.
00:19:04.000If sugar, there should be no guidance for sugar.
00:19:08.000We do not guide kids that they should have a certain range of cigarettes or alcohol.
00:19:14.000The only difference is that sugar... I mean, am I in a bizarro world?
00:19:18.000Are we not being brought to our knees by metabolic dysfunction caused primarily, like, chiefly by sugar?
00:19:23.000Like, I don't think anyone even disagrees with that.
00:19:25.000So why the hell are we recommending that?
00:19:30.000just the one other thing I'd say, you know, getting to the food stamp issue and
00:19:33.000Coke, when I worked for them, there is a systematic, like the cigarette companies,
00:19:38.000just a systematic rigging of the institution of trust. Coke and processed
00:19:41.000food companies spend 11 times more nutritional research than the NIH. In the
00:19:46.000past two years, there was 50,000 nutrition studies done, peer-reviewed
00:19:51.000nutrition studies. Again, meeting with members of Congress today.
00:19:54.000They have lobbies in their office every single day handing them a different study.
00:19:58.000The only goal of the studies is to confuse the congressmen.
00:20:02.000And I'll just close with this one point here.
00:20:04.000The policy solution is just to eliminate all nutrition studies.
00:20:08.000We are the only animal in the world that has systematic obesity, that has systematic depression, that has systematic diabetes, obesity, other metabolic issues.
00:20:20.000You don't have lions and giraffes in the wild.
00:20:22.000A wolf in the wild, right, or some kind of derivative of a dog in the wild, has 0% obesity rate, close to 0% cancer rate.
00:20:31.000Domesticated dogs, which eat our own crap and the processed crap we make, have more than a 50% cancer rate.
00:20:42.000And the only difference between us and other animals is we have experts telling kids to sit in desks all day in sunless rooms, not moving when they're made to move, you know, learning from the teacher and eating processed crap.
00:20:54.000So I would add, I think there's going to be investigations into the research and the rigging of the Institution of Trust.
00:21:00.000And then I know we're going to talk about Ozimbic.
00:21:01.000This is a pretty big deal because it's going to double the American Medicaid drug budget.
00:21:06.000We cannot talk about Zempik until we're exclusively on Rumble.
00:21:10.000Okay, we got some good news there, so we'll wait for Rumble.
00:21:14.000So if you're watching this on YouTube now, there's a link in the description.
00:21:19.000You have to click over to watch this on Rumble because their commitment to free speech means that we can discuss anti-establishment, anti-corporate interest that simply cannot be discussed On YouTube I was just thinking when you were speaking Callie that during the pandemic I remember that Joe Rogan got into trouble for sort of saying we should be exercising and eating well and that was treated as a sort of a controversial statement and
00:21:47.000I'm thinking too of Terence McKenna's famous edict that the culture is not your friend.
00:21:54.000I think that listening to you, I've never really heard it so clearly demonstrated that the culture is set up to keep you distracted, keep you fed on bad food, governed by bad interests, consuming bad products and bad ideas continually.
00:22:15.000Making you feel disenfranchised, lazy, lethargic, frankly, sick!
00:22:20.000We're being made to physically sick by the food that we eat.
00:22:24.000When you said that thing about sugar, that an awakened and conscious government, an awakened and conscious system would say, listen, we didn't know before, but we know now, we shouldn't eat sugar, and I know you all love it, you poor bastards, because it's delicious and fantastic, and you're addicted to it now, But we're going to have to say, you shouldn't be eating it.
00:22:46.000Again, I'm not talking about banning it, because I guess people are free.
00:22:49.000But certainly it should be made plain that you ought not be eating these foods.
00:22:55.000You certainly shouldn't have health bodies recommending certain amounts.
00:23:00.000And like you said, Pat, the way that this is perpetuated is because financial interests, in this case from Big Food, are able to Create the framing and flood the space with studies that they pay for, that obfuscate and confuse the reality, so that, you know, someone like... I consider myself to be a relatively smart-switched-on person.
00:23:23.000I literally put sugar in my tea and stuff.
00:23:27.000I let my kids eat chocolate, you know, like, all day long, though, so that, you know, I use it to paliate them and calm them, and I know that it's Wrong.
00:23:37.000And I guess now, at least, I can, you know, as an individually free person, start to feed my children and myself differently, and I suppose at least, you know, continue to do what you're doing to convey this type of messaging openly, so at least people know that they've got the information.
00:23:57.000Yeah, Russell, just looking at the sign behind you, stay free, and I think that's the key thing.
00:24:03.000Freedom is great, and I'm a libertarian.
00:24:06.000I think we should not be banning cigarettes, not be banning alcohol, not be banning marijuana, not be banning sugar.
00:24:14.000It's just complete and utter rigging of the system and corruption to be paying.
00:24:18.000And if you added up the food stamps and the other government programs, school lunches, it's over $100 billion, literally signing the bill for our own societal, truly societal destruction.
00:24:29.000And we are becoming a non-competitive society.
00:24:31.000Male sperm count is down 50% in a generation.
00:24:35.000Female and Brazilian PCOS is skyrocketing.
00:24:54.000And again, have a candy bar, put sugar in your tea.
00:25:00.000I don't, I'm not, you know, I'm like anyone else.
00:25:03.000That shouldn't be subsidized and we should treat it.
00:25:05.000You know, I enjoy a beer once in a while, but treating that as some normal thing that we should, I mean, we have become gluttons.
00:25:13.000Like, look at a store, look at a supermarket.
00:25:17.000Every single, I've actually done audits of this.
00:25:20.000If you go to a gas station or you go to where you buy food, every single item in eyesight, He has two, usually three of those unholy trinity of ingredients I said.
00:25:28.000I mean, these are not things that we should be normally eating.
00:25:32.000So you brought up a couple of good points.
00:25:34.000And just one quick thing on the Joe Rogan thing, and I think this is important.
00:25:40.000That in 2021 and 2020, when we were facing like the clearest demonstration yet that our metabolic health is such an important aspect, people that had good metabolic health, People that exercised, people that ate correctly, had almost a 0% chance of dying of COVID.
00:26:01.000And what an amazing example to us, you know, that we could really have a national effort to get our country a little bit more competitive and really cure the underlying cause of not only COVID deaths, but eight of the 10 leading causes of American death.
00:26:18.000Eight of the 10 leading causes of American death are chronic conditions.
00:26:48.000That is an extremely disruptive message.
00:26:51.000And you look at Dr. Fauci, I'll just say it, right?
00:26:55.000He oversaw for the past 40 years, not only infectious disease, but autoimmune conditions, had a lot of oversight into funding for chronic conditions.
00:27:03.000Under his watch, Chronic conditions have gone from around 10% of the population, they're at 60, on the road to 70%.
00:27:11.000Autoimmune conditions, which are highly related to food, are off the charts.
00:27:15.000Nowhere was Dr. Fauci screaming at the top of his lungs that we need to cut soda from food stamps, that we need to have a national policy, and just think about the oxygen and the money that was spent to get America to take a pharmaceutical product.
00:27:32.000What if those trillions of dollars that we invested and attention from the leaders of health were around simple things like really stopping being a gluttonous society, being healthy, moving.
00:27:46.000You know, a baby born loves to move, loves to look at the sun, has a predisposition to natural food.
00:27:51.000You know, Russell, I really think this is actually a spiritual crisis that we're in.
00:27:55.000We're getting away from our core, as you said, just understanding, it's so simple, but understanding what's going into our bodies.
00:28:05.000But looking at a baby and thinking about what actually is the highest leverage things we can do for a citizen of this country, It's having more awe and understanding for the interconnectedness and basic metabolic habits that truly determine our happiness.
00:28:20.000And there's actually, as you allude to, a way we can, from a public policy perspective, have leaders talk about that and shift money not going, you know, 95% of healthcare spending to drugs and interventions once people are sick, but shift it Not just to preventative.
00:28:36.000People put food in a preventative box.
00:28:38.000Actually, food can reverse most conditions better than any other.
00:28:41.000You know, if you want to reverse diabetes, heart disease, dementia, there's groundbreaking studies showing the reversal of dementia and other brain issues, like schizophrenia, through food.
00:28:55.000And we could, we could tomorrow, and this, this, I actually, Russell, I'll just close here, it gives me hope, because You're talking about it.
00:29:04.000Obviously, Joe Rogan's talking about it.
00:29:05.000I've been on a lot of health podcasts, both parties, every potential background.
00:29:19.000But I think a lot of people are waking up.
00:29:21.000Yeah, I think a lot of people are waking up to discuss this in more depth, at more length, and in particular I want to ask you about a Zen pic we're going to have to transfer to being exclusively live on Rumble right now, so join us over there because I'm going to be asking Calli about how drug companies are I don't even want to say on YouTube, but they're using very unusual means to promote particular drugs.
00:29:44.000So if you're watching this on YouTube, join us over on Rumble now, where the entire conversation is available.
00:29:51.000Callie, what's this about a Zempik being... a Zempik, how it's being marketed irresponsibly?
00:30:00.000And also, in particular, I was told that drug companies are using race to sell drugs.
00:30:05.000Can you tell me a little bit about that, please?
00:30:09.000Yeah, I've had some folks who I used to work with who are actually working for Ozempic now giving me some reports, and this was actually just reported in the news outlets, and I'm happy to say there's a lot of appetite for congressional investigation.
00:30:22.000So, yeah, Russell, is it okay if I give kind of a quick overview of Ozempic?
00:30:26.000I know you talked about it with Joe Rogan, and, you know, I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about this.
00:30:32.000So, cool to kind of give a top-down example of how this really... Yeah.
00:30:37.000So, as I mentioned, and this is really important to understand, we are spending multiples more on healthcare and government healthcare in the U.S.
00:30:53.000If Ozepic is approved, it will double, double the amount that Medicaid and Medicare, our two largest healthcare programs in the United States, spend on drugs.
00:31:05.000And we're already at breaking our budget because of healthcare.
00:31:10.000Ozempic is targeting 80% of the American people.
00:31:15.00080% of the American people are overweight or obese.
00:31:19.000And in America, once something's defined as a disease, you can't have the legislatures or lawmakers dictate what a doctor does.
00:31:29.000You have some of this in Europe, but when Obama tried to have any type of approval of what a doctor can do, it's like, oh no no, Dr. Obama can't intercede with a patient and a doctor.
00:31:38.000So once it's approved as a disease, once this drug's approved, it's free reign.
00:32:14.000Okay, so there's an all-out battle right now to define obesity as a disease, and that goes to Fatima Stanford, who we talked about, the head obesity doctor at Harvard, goes on 60 Minutes, and she says, and this is key, she says, Americans have no control over obesity. She said it's not related to diet and it's not
00:32:52.000Uh, the NAACP, I helped sear money to them for Coke for the NAACP to vociferously argue that parents who were concerned about their kids drinking too much Coke, which was paid for on food stamps, were racist.
00:33:02.000And there was New York Times reporting the time and weaponized race to keep Coke on food stamps.
00:33:09.000Today, the maker of Ozempic is paying the NAACP, and the NAACP is putting out press releases and lobbying.
00:33:17.000There are registered lobbyists on this issue.
00:33:20.000They are telling members of Congress that it is an example of systemic oppression.
00:33:25.000To keep government funding away from Ozempic because underprivileged communities have so much obesity.
00:33:30.000Of course this is totally twist the issue, but they are aggressively lobbying.
00:33:35.000Novo Nordics, and this was leaked, they put out talking points to their allies.
00:33:40.000It's saying explicitly that the lack of government funding for their drug is an example of systemic racism.
00:33:46.000Those talking points are being used by Dr. Fatima Stanford and other doctors at Harvard and other leading places, and they're writing medical journal articles saying the way to reduce racism, the way to have an anti-racist agenda, is to approve government funding.
00:34:03.000Again, Russell, I'm just going to bring this down to that child, that 15-year-old child.
00:34:07.000A 15-year-old child who's prescribed Azimbic is inevitably on a statin.
00:34:12.000They inevitably have high blood pressure and taking a drug for that.
00:34:14.000They inevitably, you know, if you're diabetic, you're three times more likely to be depressed and commit suicide.
00:34:19.000Inevitably, they have some depression issues.
00:34:22.000You know, inevitably, they're going to be dealing with fertility issues.
00:34:41.000Like, when are we going to say and realize that close to 100% of COVID deaths were people that had preventable metabolic dysfunction?
00:34:48.000When are we going to realize that 8 of the 10 killers of Americans are... There are things we can do.
00:34:53.000Why the hell aren't we having a national discussion, you know, to call sugar whether this is a highly addictive drug, And to think about the $4 trillion we spend on, or just take Ozipic, $2,000 a month.
00:35:07.000This is what we're talking about with members of Congress.
00:35:09.000What if you took that $2,000 a month and actually asked how to reverse what we have?
00:35:13.000There's so many creative things you can do, right?
00:36:06.000Yeah, it's very interesting to listen to you, Callie, and I understand that you're a libertarian, and there's so much within libertarianism that I agree with.
00:36:14.000certainly individual freedom, the maximum amount of freedom for the maximum amount of
00:37:16.000If you put any animal in a cage with limited sunlight, with limited movement, and feed them ultra-processed crab, any animal would go crazy very quickly.
00:37:30.000And, you know, again, I'm a libertarian.
00:37:32.000I'm a capitalist, but I don't think we have a capitalist system.
00:37:34.000I think we have a crony capitalist oligarchy basically right now.
00:37:38.000I mean, we have an absolutely rigged system where an American child is a product and through a lot of incentives, We have been, and this is where I really think it gets to a spiritual level, too.
00:37:48.000We have just been completely removed from our body.
00:37:51.000We're thinking it's almost like fringe science to talk about nutrition.
00:37:54.000Literally, that's how nutrition is defined in medical school.
00:37:57.000When my sister, you know, asked maybe somebody with seven comorbidities could look at their diet, they said, don't be a pussy.
00:38:08.000That is how medicine sees literally the one ton of food that we put in
00:38:14.000our body. You talk to a doctor at Harvard or Stanford about the importance of looking at sunlight or
00:38:19.000even sedentary behavior. That's considered, oh, preventative community health organizations
00:38:25.000can work on that. We have been systematically removed, and that ties to mental health,
00:38:32.000Russell. I just cannot say this enough, and I'm on a journey too.
00:38:36.000I mean, this, you know, this all, you know, with my mom and, you know, COVID and different things, I've been on, we all are on a mental health journey.
00:38:46.000But I just cannot say this, like, just clearly enough, and science backs this up, if you change your diet, And you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up at least a week for three months, you will feel something.
00:38:58.000through ingredients we talked about, and you commit to 150 minutes of getting your heart rate up
00:39:03.000at least a week for three months, you will feel something.
00:39:07.000You know, if you get sleep, these basic habits, and the fact that these aren't just the foundation
00:39:15.000when somebody's struggling with some mental health disorders
00:39:18.000of getting your sleep, getting movement, looking at your diet, these things impact our cells.
00:39:24.00020% of our energy is created in our brain, okay?
00:39:27.000As I said, literally dementia, even schizophrenia.
00:39:31.000highly related. There's studies out of Harvard from some great doctors actually at Harvard
00:39:36.000and others. Chris Palmer, this book Brain Energy. These are metabolic conditions. So
00:39:42.000we just have this detachment from our head being separate from the rest of our body.
00:39:50.000The first line of defense should be sleep, movement.
00:40:08.000We've gone through Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, that's what it's become now.
00:40:13.000Kelly, having met Tucker Carlson recently, it's, for me, a favourable comparison.
00:40:19.000It's certainly not something I have a problem with.
00:40:21.000I was just texting with him, actually, and I'm just amazed that he... It's just so awesome he's talking about this, and he just had Mark Hyman on, who's a hero of mine, so...
00:40:34.000But yeah, the fact that it's not the first line offense is a scandal.
00:40:38.000Russell, listen, I'm not saying it's good or bad on the SSRIs, but the fact that 25% of adult women are on an SSRI in America, it's an undiscussed societal dynamic.
00:41:22.000We are basically in boxes, sunless boxes, sedentary, with feeding tubes, feeding ourselves I appreciate what you said at the beginning, Russell.
00:41:34.000Let's not be hyperbolic here, but that is true.
00:41:37.000A hundred years ago, 0% of our diet was ultra-processed, close to it.
00:41:43.000The ingredients I talked about were not in existence a hundred years ago.
00:41:46.000We're putting into our bodies things we're not biologically made to eat, and that's impacting our brain.
00:41:51.000The last thing I'll say on mental health You know, the head of the Harvard Psychology Department, they were putting on a conference on psychiatry and mental health, and they were looking for a speaker to talk about potential other modalities from SSRIs.
00:42:05.000And the dean of the psychology school said they actually could not find a professor or doctor that wasn't conflicted with SSRI makers.
00:42:47.000It's just interesting, and just getting into a little bit of history, but, you know, the whole war on drugs, Nixon, people don't know this, but the grandfather of the Sackler family who did Purdue Pharma with the opioid crisis, their grandfather actually basically invented SSRIs and benzos and mental health medications because he saw that was the biggest market for chronic disease cures.
00:43:07.000And he actually, his ally, actually wrote the War on Drugs legislation, the scheduling.
00:43:12.000And it put, you know, SSRIs, benzos, other things that put them at a high, you know, not as worse of a class.
00:43:18.000They actually saw, at the time, psychedelics as a threat because, as we see in increasing research, these are a one-time treatment.
00:43:24.000It's not really a good pharma drug, right?
00:43:26.000If the science says it can have long-term effects in one treatment, that's not pharma's business model.
00:43:30.000And there's been a systematic, really from the War on Drugs onward, denigration and that actually is tied a lot to mental
00:43:38.000health medications. The last thing I'll just say here, Tucker, I think it's an
00:43:42.000important differentiation because a lot of people say, well hasn't the medical system
00:43:45.000done great stuff? You know, we're being too mean here and the mental health hits
00:44:09.000If you have something that's about to kill you, if you have a gunshot wound or a burst appendix or a complicated childbirth, go to the doctor.
00:45:37.000We need to unwind that and actually understand the interconnectedness of our body, which sounds almost like hippie, but it's actually like, I think, very grounded in science and what we have to do to turn this around.
00:49:54.000Exercise is a totally new thing where it's like, okay, take more time out of your day and spend more money, right, to go to the gym that basically do what we're biologically supposed to do normally.
00:50:03.000We have to, as a policy, make movement more embedded in daily life.
00:50:06.000But until then, you have to think of exercise in that standpoint.
00:50:15.000If you take 10,000 steps a day, if you make movement more part of your life, if you understand that that is just essential for ourselves as animals, that we're not that we're not only doing some aerobic exercise and getting to the gym, but exercising, standing up, walking.
00:50:26.000If you take 10,000 steps, The chance of you getting diabetes, heart disease, dementia, other conditions, is almost zero.
00:50:33.000The United States should have a national emergency strategy to have people moving more.
00:50:38.000Not just with exercise, but just as part of daily life.
00:51:28.000A lot of influencers, a lot of people that sell products want to make it complicated.
00:51:32.000We need to understand that our biological needs have been taken away.
00:51:35.000And if you can't afford, frankly, better food or able to move to a smaller house, if you're not able to get sleep because of your job or because you're Boyfriend snoring, dump the boyfriend.
00:51:49.000If your dog's bothering you getting sleep, get rid of the dog.
00:51:53.000We have to incentivize and prioritize these basic metabolic habits.
00:51:57.000And then the policy solutions, Russell.
00:53:13.000Looking forward to meeting you in person, sleeping eight hours, eating only natural food, doing some exercise, and reiterating my actual name.
00:53:23.000Kali, thank you so much for joining me.