Deepak Chopra is the founder of the Chopra Foundation and the author of over 90 books. He is a self-help guru, but I see him as being at the point of inception of new ideas that infused a secular culture with a radical approach to spirituality. We had a fascinating conversation about cultivating an inner light, and how he is positively helping people with a new project, even though we disagreed in several areas, like AI. I think we are at a crossroads. One road leads to sleepwalking, to extinction, and the other is to wake up to who we are. In this episode, we talk about what Deepak believes are the most important steps we can take now to reestablish spirituality in a world that is so materialistic, and so devoid of conscious spirituality, where pleasure and convenience are prized, deified, and enshrined in a manner that almost prevents access to sacred and ineffable principles. You're going to enjoy this conversation. See it first on Rumble. Stay Free with Russell Brand! See It First on Rumble . In this video, we walk through the area of the park where the conversation took place, and talk about how we can create a global community for caring, attention, affection, appreciation, transcendence, radical love, and radical gratitude for existence. That's the future of the future, you're gonna see the future. In This video, you'll go to see The Future. by Fyjer Oh. - Russell Brand - Stay Free With Russell Brand, an in-depth interview with free thinkers, spiritual teachers and aspirational leaders? , an in depth interview with a free thinker, a spiritual teacher and spiritual teacher? . . . - What are you waiting for? ? What do you want to know of a radical love and acceptance for existence? - How do you need to be radical love in the future? , a radical appreciation for existence, radical acceptance, a radical Gratitude for existence ? - Radical love and a radical gratefulness for existence by Russell Brand? Thank you for listening to this episode? This episode is sponsored by FYJER, Russell Brand and I hope you re ready to learn from this episode so that you can be a good one? (and I also appreciate the opportunity to be a part of a community of people who are listening to the next episode of Stay Free, a good friend of mine?
00:01:16.000Deepak is often referred to as a self-help guru, but I see Deepak as more than that.
00:01:22.000I see him as being at the point of inception of new ideas that infused a secular culture with a new radical approach to spirituality.
00:01:31.000He's the founder of the Chopra Foundation and the author of over 90 books, 90s written.
00:01:35.000We had a fascinating conversation about higher states of conversation, cultivating an inner light, you've got to cultivate it, and how he's positively helping people with a new project, even though we disagreed in several areas, like AI, that was a complex part of it, and also the obligation of people that are spiritually awakening to wage war against the system.
00:01:56.000You're going to enjoy this conversation.
00:02:04.000Deepak, one of the things I know you talk about a lot is how the culture has turned us into addicts.
00:02:10.000How our attention is being mined and controlled.
00:02:13.000How pharmaceutical companies are issuing medicines, in particular I'm referring to the opioid crisis, that have had a terrible detrimental effect on the spirituality of our kind.
00:02:24.000We refer often to the cultivation of an inner light, to a connection to something beyond external stimulation.
00:02:32.000Where we are now in the argument, and I may say in my personal opinion it's a point of crisis, what do you believe are the most important steps we can make now?
00:02:42.000So, first of all, thank you for having me, Russell.
00:03:15.000We have been so conditioned by the collective hypnosis and into the feeling of separation, that we live in fear, anxiety, and actually we have become biological robots.
00:03:35.000And unless we wake up to our fundamental reality, I think we're sleepwalking to extinction.
00:03:43.000Social injustice, economic injustice, climate change, extinction of species, poison in the food chain, mechanized ways of killing each other and ourselves.
00:03:56.000And all our leaders, globally, are gangsters.
00:04:00.000How do we reintroduce spirituality into a culture that is so materialistic and so devoid of conscious spirituality, where pleasure and convenience and safety have been prized, deified and enshrined in a manner that almost prevents access to sacred and ineffable principles?
00:04:26.000There are three principles that have been outlined in wisdom traditions.
00:04:32.000By wisdom traditions I mean the Gnostic Gospels, the Buddhist traditions, the non-dual traditions of Vedanta and Kashmir Shaivism.
00:04:55.000Take refuge in the sadhana, which is daily spiritual practice, whether it's yoga, meditation, mindfulness, anything that activates the parasympathetic nervous system.
00:05:07.000And take refuge in the dharma, which means higher purpose, authenticity, integrity, higher calling and transcendence.
00:05:19.000You know, Jesus had 12 people and he made a big impact.
00:05:23.000Buddha had maybe six or seven that were part of his team.
00:05:28.000Today, with global leaders like yourself and many others, luminaries who are interested in authentic self-realization, I think we can create a global community for caring, attention, affection, appreciation, transcendence, and acceptance.
00:05:46.000Radical acceptance, radical love, and radical gratitude for existence.
00:05:55.000I appreciate you saying that and I also appreciate the Great deal of work you've done in popularizing these ideas, the amount of criticism that you have endured, and the great way that you have continued to elevate these principles and make them accessible, in particular handling the difficulty of the point of interface between science and mysticism.
00:06:21.000It's a very, very challenging place to operate.
00:06:23.000In our previous conversations we've talked about the challenges of commodification, of spiritual ideas, of ensuring that it doesn't just become another set of individualistic practices that are ultimately used to make you a better component within an existing system, that we meditate in order that we can become better at our jobs, rather than meditating in order that we challenge the necessity of our jobs.
00:06:49.000Loads of people in the spiritual community, by the way, that I belong to, the 12-step community, Regularly use your abundance meditations.
00:06:57.000You're really well regarded and revered.
00:06:59.000I literally mean the community of, in particular, men that I spend time with, with our meditation and our support groups.
00:07:07.000Lots of groups of us do your meditations and your challenges, 21 day challenges and stuff like that.
00:07:12.000What I feel like is that we've almost accepted the position that spirituality only can exist within the confines of the dominator culture.
00:07:21.000The spirituality Isn't going to challenge that culture in the same way that someone like Gandhi or Martin Luther King used their spirituality, if gosh, I don't want to say as a weapon, that seems wrong when both of them are so committed to peace, but as an edifice against which their principles could not hide but be protected.
00:11:13.000There is no biological basis of consciousness.
00:11:15.000All experience, including the experience of the brain, is in consciousness.
00:11:20.000So when we combine our understanding of what we call scientific naive realism and why science only looks at human observation, never ask who's observing, what is the methodology of observation, because three things are necessary.
00:11:37.000The observer, The mode of observation and that which is observed.
00:11:42.000As we move into higher states of consciousness through direct experience of transcendence, these questions become irrelevant.
00:12:39.000Transcendence, platonic values, loss of the fear of death.
00:12:43.000I am there in my life right now, and I want people to understand anybody can be there.
00:12:50.000If Jesus was pointing to the moon, you should be looking at the moon, not worshipping the finger.
00:12:57.000This unitive idea, a unitary idea that all phenomena and non-phenomena are the expression of a single entity and it is Like mind, it is mental in its nature rather than primarily physical.
00:13:20.000Suggest to me a set of values and as you just outlined, there are equanimity, kindness, service, joy.
00:13:33.000Do you feel, somewhat in reference to my previous question, that the Objectivity of these values, if indeed they can be derived from this unitary, formless oneness that you describe, means that they ought be obviously practiced at the level of the individual, but also the community, and that they, when we live as we...
00:13:57.000Seems clear, and you obviously agree from your opening statement.
00:14:01.000When we live in a world that is somewhat antithetical to those value systems, a world that is materialistic, I mean that in every sense of the word, individualistic, is built on systems of domination, deception, bias and deceit, Do we, what is our obligation to spread these principles?
00:14:23.000And where does it become a, where does it become, when does it lead us ultimately Pat, if not to conflict, then certainly to a kind of adversity?
00:14:36.000When do we have to say, We need to change our governments.
00:14:40.000We need to change our economic systems.
00:14:41.000We need to introduce new forms of democracy that are derived from the principles that we're describing.
00:14:48.000Otherwise, or does it not matter if all of these things are part of some limitless flow that is transmaterial and beyond consciousness and the sensory world as most of us are able to understand it?
00:14:59.000Does that induce a kind of nihilism in the same way that atheism might?
00:15:23.000I said, okay, I will only support divine causes, get to a critical mass of peace, social justice, economic justice, sustainability, health and joy.
00:15:53.000We can only be the light of awareness.
00:15:56.000So, I'm at a stage in my life right now, and as mentioned, these are the final chapters of my life, Where I would like help from people like you and other luminaries to actually create that critical mass of consciousness where we are the change we want to see in the world without any angry activism because it only perpetuates and recycles the old.
00:16:22.000To have a new story, we have to have a new paradigm.
00:16:27.000New context, new meaning, new relationships and a new story.
00:17:16.000Many of these figures, and no figure is without gosh, without controversy these days, I'm thinking of a couple of them in particular, have interesting relationships with carnality.
00:17:28.000How do we square this Dedication to the ineffable.
00:17:34.000This ongoing and constant rebirth that amounts to a pure presence that is not bound to the past or in continual conjecture and projecting into the future.
00:17:47.000With an enjoyment of sensuality, a service of the appetizer.
00:17:53.000I'm thinking in particular of Rumi and how his writing expresses a kind of a great love of what sounds like erotica at times.
00:18:01.000Or do you think that Rumi is speaking metaphorically of the lover in much of his verse?
00:18:07.000How, and regardless, how do all of us human beings square our attachments to this earth, our need for status and community, our need for sensual and indeed erotic pleasure with a set of ideals that sometimes can seem quite ascetic and based on purity?
00:18:28.000So, you know, this idea that carnality or sexuality or sensuality are somehow opposed to spirituality, that's a Judeo-Christian guilt phenomenon that's made a lot of money for the Judeo-Christian institutions and also fundamentalists in every religion who seek Power and control.
00:18:57.000The fact is that in true spiritual understanding, sexuality and the sexual energy that we have is divine.
00:19:07.000It's the same thing as spiritual energy.
00:19:11.000Without sexual energy and spiritual energy, there's no life.
00:19:15.000This is the creative energy of the universe.
00:19:19.000I've done a book called Kama Sutra, which is about sexuality and spirituality.
00:19:26.000And I think the responsibility we have as divine beings is not to be in denial of our basic impulses, but to channel them for the ideal sensual sensory experience.
00:19:41.000So in Indian philosophy, by the way, the true Vedantic non-dual philosophy, There are four goals in life.
00:20:15.000Freedom from the conditioned mind, including the conditioned religious mind.
00:20:20.000So, you know, religion has been a great tool for control, for power mongering, for influence peddling, for cronyism, for corruption.
00:20:30.000Religious institutions have done that all over the world.
00:20:33.000But religious institutions have also done good.
00:20:36.000You know, we should not deny the good they've done.
00:20:39.000I think the time has come now to forget about dogma, ideology, theology, and philosophy.
00:20:48.000But to engage in spiritual experience in the true way that it is meant to be experienced.
00:20:55.000So you talk, you know, I know you're a student of yoga as I am.
00:20:58.000My new book, Living in the Light, which is about yoga for self-realization, it talks about The Eight Limbs of Yoga.
00:21:07.000Okay, the Eight Limbs is called Royal Yoga or Raj Yoga.
00:21:10.000So, the first limb is Yama, which means rules or principles of social intelligence, but based on a deeper understanding of consciousness or fundamental reality.
00:21:22.000Niyama rules of our ideas of Emotional intelligence, again, based on a deeper understanding of yoga.
00:23:15.000And then the eighth limb is transcendence.
00:23:18.000That unitary consciousness where we go beyond waking, dreaming, sleeping to what is called soul consciousness, cosmic consciousness, divine consciousness, and unity consciousness.
00:23:31.000And yoga has tells us, the original writers of yoga tell us, And you know, our friend Eddie Stern, who you both, you and I know, would fully agree that yoga tells us no system of thought, whether it's philosophy, theology, religion or science,
00:25:46.000And of course the Rishis and the Vedas had no objective way to categorize these.
00:25:54.000There was totally subjective but now we do.
00:25:57.000Russell, we are publishing data right now through our foundation on people who claim to be waking up and there are certain criteria and then there are neural correlates of these criteria.
00:26:08.000So for every state of consciousness your brain is different, your neural networks are different, your perception is different, your cognition is different, your memory is different, your emotions are different, Your relationships are different because reality shifts according to the state of consciousness you're in.
00:26:26.000Now, the yogis couldn't measure this, but we can.
00:28:04.000We are not the dream, we are the dreamer.
00:28:07.000And that dreamer can live at all times in the field of infinite possibilities.
00:28:16.000With the neurological research that you are currently undertaking that makes observable and measurable these varying states, is there significant consistency between various subjects that are being observed to suggest that there is indeed an archetypal reality or different archetypes of reality
00:28:39.000that are being expressed and experienced through different subjective experiences, i.e.
00:28:46.000the many observable tropes present in monotheism or pagan religions, the consistencies,
00:28:54.000the similarities in language, and even symbols that occur, fractals, spirals. Is there...
00:29:02.000Do you see in these observable data points the idea that, oh look, subject A and subject B appear to be measurably having a comparable experience depending on stimulants that they're exposed to, and this suggests an ulterior reality that whilst Broadly ineffable because it's extrasensory can be detected in the same way that certain experiments in the quantum field suggest a reality that is at odds with our previous understanding of Newtonian physics.
00:29:34.000So Russell, our research is very preliminary and these are the things we are seeing.
00:29:43.000So what happens is there's clarity of perception and there's also going beyond the perception.
00:29:50.000You know William Blake's poem, we are led to believe a lie when we see with And not through the eye that was born in the night to perish in the night while the soul slept in beams of light.
00:30:02.000So people who are waking up have a shift in clarity of perception, number one.
00:30:08.000Number two, they have more cognition clarity, which means more intuition.
00:30:13.000Number three, they have a shift in emotions from fear and separation, anger, hostility and depression to love, compassion, joy, equanimity.
00:30:29.000Number four, They have a shift in memory.
00:30:32.000They start to use memories, but they're not victimized by past memory.
00:30:36.000This is the basic thing that we are seeing in our research, but then some people are also reporting what we call awakening of non-local dormant potentials.
00:30:48.000What people would normally say, extrasensory perception of the ability to look at the future or identify with a memory of another lifetime.
00:30:58.000Now this is very preliminary but again this is the second chapter in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali is devoted to this.
00:31:05.000It's called Vibhutis or supernormal powers but you know what Patanjali warns that if you achieve these for the sake of achieving this then you will actually be dismayed because you'll get self-importance and your ego will start to dominate Let these awaken as a natural extension of expansion of consciousness from fight-flight to reactive to restful awareness, intuition, creativity, higher consciousness, archetypal, imagination and ultimately transcendence.
00:31:42.000So there are many biological correlates to this.
00:31:47.000There are some of one or two very good researchers in this field that I'm engaging with.
00:31:53.000And also now we're looking at some of the research with psychedelics where we see I think that psychedelics have the ability to be used judiciously.
00:32:05.000I work with an Oxford-trained MD, Geeta Vaid, who's a psychedelic expert from Oxford, England, but she now is in New York.
00:32:18.000What we are seeing is that when used properly in certain cases, They actually loosen the neural networks of the conditioned mind.
00:32:33.000There's a part of our brain called the default mode network, which is the neural correlate of the ego mind.
00:32:41.000So when this cools down, people have an experience of universality.
00:32:46.000One of the things we're using these psychedelics right now is for terminal care.
00:32:53.000You know, my book agent, one of my book agents, whom I'd known for 50 years, 40 years, she recently passed away.
00:33:40.000And then what we found was there's a small percentage of patients or people who may have Alzheimer's, who may be in coma, who may have other diseases, moribund.
00:33:53.000And just before death, they have this awakening.
00:33:56.000They see the continuation of the dream.
00:34:05.000And sometimes it lasts a few minutes before death, sometimes a few days, sometimes a few hours.
00:34:12.000But it is seen in a small percentage of My mother went through it when she went through that experience.
00:34:22.000I now regularly, before I'd sleep at night, I actually go into transcendence and explore the mystery of death, including my own death.
00:34:35.000I've done a short series right now on YouTube on the mystery of death and it's getting a lot of attention because it's based on direct experience.
00:34:46.000Do you feel that as the lexicon evolves and alters, some scriptural and arcane ideas become more accessible?
00:35:00.000A good example of this perhaps might be Elon Musk's relatively recent conjecture that reality
00:35:08.000– and it's a popular trope these days, Deepak – that reality could be a simulation
00:36:02.000You need a consciousness even to create AIs.
00:36:05.000So what they are calling the simulation generated by an AI, I say, is actually the divine projecting infinite universes through infinite modes of knowing and infinite sentient beings.
00:36:24.000And right now, if you look at the latest science, you know, if you look at, say, Caltech professor Sean Carroll's book, Something Deeply Hidden, he is at Caltech.
00:36:35.000He's moving, I think, to another university.
00:36:37.000But, you know, he's very prominent A physicist at Caltech holds the most important chair.
00:37:04.000But if you read the ancient scriptures, Yoga Vashishta, he says infinite universes come and go in the vast expanse of consciousness like motes of dust dancing in a beam of light.
00:37:47.000Do you think that there is a kind of pessimism in the determination to present this unknowable all-encompassing reality in materialistic terms as a kind of nothingness?
00:38:00.000You know, the barrenness of space from a conventional cosmological view.
00:38:27.000It's the nihilism that comes with science.
00:38:30.000And actually in spiritual traditions, too, there's a phase that's called the dark night of the soul.
00:38:36.000I've been through it, where there is this Fear of losing what you thought was your identity.
00:38:46.000But there is no such thing as a static identity.
00:38:49.000You're never the same person even moment to moment.
00:38:53.000So what we call a person is an evolving process in the same consciousness which is divine incomprehensible.
00:39:04.000So science is struggling with its own dark night of the soul.
00:39:09.000Even though there are times when I feel beautifully connected and free and at ease and peace in this world, there are times where I also feel engulfed by fear and locked into craving.
00:39:25.000And the tendrils that lead right back, it seems at least to me, to some native wound in my infancy are alive with very present suffering.
00:39:37.000What do you offer to people who sometimes feel awake, enlightened, connected, free, but still suffer with what seem like quite remedial conditions, speaking for myself, craving, longing, pain, inferiority?
00:40:42.000You're the entire web of creation of life since the beginning of time.
00:40:47.000And the more you embrace that, the more you'll ultimately be able to jump in the abyss, which is actually the abyss of ecstasy, of joy, of transcendence, of beauty, of truth, of goodness, of harmony, of love and gratitude and surprise.
00:41:06.000But one has to One has to embrace the darkness too.
00:41:13.000Otherwise, there's no experience in life.
00:41:18.000You can't have an up without a down, or a hot without a cold, or the sacred without the so-called profane.
00:41:25.000There's a human, you know, creations in the mind, but reality is beyond the mind.
00:41:32.000But these levels of consciousness that the Vedas describe and to which you refer appear to diagnose and allude to a state of freedom beyond this suffering.
00:41:48.000I know that it is being reported that the Buddha, in the moments immediately preceding enlightenment and Buddhahood, experienced longing and craving and jealousy and the demons and the monsters, and I've heard the term beautiful monsters used in Buddhist practice.
00:42:04.000I suppose what surprises me is the impermanence of even awakened states, that sometimes I feel subject to quite Yeah, as I say, remedial, infantile longing, and I'm a father, and I have responsibilities, and sometimes, Deepak, I want some kind of resolution, you know?
00:42:27.000Like, right, I'm gonna go away and do an ayahuasca retreat, even though I'm in recovery.
00:42:31.000I'm going to go and do some one week course like the Hoffman or I'm going to do, you know,
00:42:38.000all sorts of like, you know, like a craving.
00:42:40.000And I know a lot of addicts in long term recovery feel this.
00:42:43.000I know a lot of people that have been on the path for a long time feel this, a kind of
00:42:47.000lack of ease with the intransigence of longing.
00:42:54.000And I wonder, is there a point of meaningful, measurable progression?
00:43:02.000Or do you think that if all things are taking place beyond spatial, temporal reality, that it's always going to be like this?
00:43:13.000So Bras, my feeling is that a permanently Stable system is impossible.
00:43:23.000A system that is in perfect equilibrium cannot stay there.
00:43:29.000It has to, in order to experience anything, consciousness must go through a process which we lack for a better word is entropy.
00:43:41.000So consciousness by definition must be conscious of itself.
00:43:47.000And the only way it can be conscious of itself is through creating this subject-object split.
00:43:53.000And that is the movement of consciousness becoming consciousness.
00:43:57.000And when consciousness becomes consciousness, then there's creativity.
00:44:01.000So there will never be this state of perfect equilibrium or moksha.
00:44:28.000And just as an aside, by the way, and this is something I say to anybody who's a recovering addict, that, you know, the psychedelic experience actually has helped people recover from even addictive tendencies.
00:44:44.000If it's done under supervision either by an expert shamanic tradition, there are a lot of fake shamans right now, so you have to be very careful, or under medical supervision by somebody who's a reliable neuropsychiatrist who knows this, and I work with one, as I told you.
00:45:04.000So if you ever want to come to New York and visit me, You can be my guest.
00:45:11.000I will continue to contemplate this because it's an area that is very complex in the long-term recovery community.
00:45:20.000Whilst I recognize the efficacy of these measures in getting people out of active addiction, there's a lot of contemplation around mind-altering and meddling with something as delicate as abstinence-based recovery.
00:46:12.000And if you just sit there, even doing nothing, With your eyes closed, sooner or later, you'll transcend.
00:46:19.000Of course, mantra practice, breath awareness, reflective inquiry, self inquiry, mindfulness of, you know, the awareness of thought, awareness of perception, all these help.
00:46:32.000There are hundreds of thousands of techniques that can be explored.
00:46:37.000But the main thing is, sit there quietly, learn to do nothing.
00:46:42.000Once you do that, you're ready for everything else.
00:46:46.000I've got another one from SensitiveHeart25.
00:46:50.000She asks, how do you stay so strong, strongly connected to your spiritual knowledge and faith in this crazy world?
00:46:57.000It's the only thing that will actually convince you that to embrace the insanity of the world And adjust to it is to actually declare your own insanity.
00:47:13.000To be well adjusted to an insane society is not a measure of our sanity.
00:47:18.000So yes, it's a crazy world, but we created it, so we can also go beyond it.
00:47:24.000The only thing that will save us is our own practice.
00:48:08.000Deepak, one of the things we touched on earlier was living harmoniously with advancing technology.
00:48:18.000One of the challenges our community have, I believe, is that science, both in the area of pharmacology and medicine, and in the area of technology, are operating as subsets of greed-oriented systems of domination.
00:48:41.000These appear to be the hidden agenda behind much innovation.
00:48:45.000Not to suggest that there aren't many brilliant geniuses working within the fields of medicine and science.
00:48:50.000And of course, obviously, who wouldn't welcome the fantastic innovation that technology and medicine has offered us over the last century and throughout history.
00:49:00.000How are you using technology in ways that are in keeping with your values?
00:49:07.000I've realized that we cannot stop technology.
00:49:11.000And therefore, not only do we have to adapt it to it, but use it for the greater good.
00:49:18.000So with deep learning systems and augmented technology, artificial intelligence, I don't like the word, call it augmented intelligence.
00:49:30.000Deep learning systems and soon quantum computing and all the new things that are happening.
00:49:38.000We are using technology to measure well-being to actually create a system for well-being for the future, which is predictable, preventable, participatory and actually enhances your well-being mind, body and spirit and adjusting to the environment.
00:49:56.000We've also created an Artificial intelligence chatbot, which is an emotional chatbot called PV.
00:50:05.000PV stands for personalized interaction with intention.
00:50:14.000And it focuses on four things attention, affection, appreciation, acceptance, and the emotional chatbot has now intervened in about 6000 suicidal ideations.
00:50:28.000PV is speaking to 20 million people simultaneously.
00:50:31.000And we are now taking PV globally in Arabic, in Urdu, in Hindi, in Spanish, because mental illness is a global pandemic.
00:50:42.000And every 40 seconds somebody is dying from suicide in the world.
00:50:45.000It's the second most common cause of death amongst teenagers.
00:50:51.000And we found that teens, this is the state of our world, are more comfortable talking to a machine than to a human being because they don't feel judged.
00:51:01.000But of course we have human beings behind and we are even creating cryptocurrency and blockchain to pay for this so that we can democratize well-being globally.
00:51:12.000through the masses, not dependent on special interest groups.
00:51:16.000So please check out neveralone.love When there is a pandemic around mental health and when suicide reaches the extremes that you've just described, it's no longer to offer a diagnosis of an individual problem.
00:51:31.000It's sort of by its nature, of course, you use the word pandemic, a social problem.
00:51:37.000This is, I suppose, what brings me back to the area of the conversation that we were discussing earlier.
00:51:44.000That it seems that we must elevate some different values.
00:51:48.000Even the idea that teenagers are not comfortable speaking with human beings to me suggests, and I don't know if this is a kind of a Luddite perspective or a sort of an old-fashioned human perspective, it just suggests to me that sort of dystopia is already upon us.
00:52:05.000That there is a requirement for a deep revelation, a deep epiphany.
00:52:11.000It's going to require radicalism and I'm very curious about how this, it seems to me that they're like, the same way that crisis in the individual can bring about epiphany and enlightenment, I wonder if we're at a point of cultural crisis and I wonder what is going to be required and how to handle it.
00:52:30.000Russell, it's a shame on us that our teens are in this position.
00:52:36.000It shows that our humanity is not yet complete, that we're in this situation.
00:52:41.000So we need first radical acceptance of the situation as it is, radical gratitude for the fact that we can do something about it, and radical love as the only way.
00:52:56.000to move forward and restore our humanity.
00:53:00.000But we have to accept what is going on if we want to change it.
00:53:04.000And yes, we need to awaken our deeper humanity and understand that love is not just a mere sentiment or an emotion.
00:53:12.000It's the ultimate truth at the heart of the universe.
00:53:15.000Yes, it's the ultimate truth at the heart of the universe.
00:53:17.000It is the expression of the understanding of unity.
00:53:20.000It is lived oneness felt beyond language, beyond the intellect, beyond mental understanding.
00:53:26.000The whole body knowing that there is something beyond our rational understanding of reality.
00:53:31.000Deepak, thank you so much for being such an incredible teacher.