Stay Free - Russel Brand - What Really Happened in New York… Off Camera — SF709

00:00:07.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist. 0.91

00:00:12.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 Right now, I'm in New York City with Piers Morgan and Megyn Kelly doing content to promote this book, How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.

00:00:30.000 This book, I've actually, you know, whenever you do anything creative, what you're trying to actually do is deliver on some premise that you intuitively felt.

00:00:39.000 In this book, I have done it.

00:00:40.000 I have written what I intended to write.

00:00:42.000 I have explained how I went from not being a Christian to being a Christian.

00:00:47.000 The profound change.

00:00:48.000 I reckon if there's one thing that I want you to understand about it, it's that all of the things that I carried with me up to the point of getting to know Christ have remained, i.e., the world is controlled by evil forces.

00:01:02.000 There is some extraordinary mystery that we're participating in through consciousness.

00:01:07.000 That's what's been profound about, firstly, the sort of psychedelic experience of knowing Christ, a kind of visceral, kinetic experience.

00:01:14.000 Psychedelia, and then the process of getting to know God through reading the Bible.

00:01:21.000 It's been a sort of awesome and transformative process that I couldn't have anticipated.

00:01:26.000 So, over the course of this show, we're going to share with you some of the mad things that happened while I was with Piers Morgan and Megyn Kelly in New York City.

00:01:34.000 Maybe I'll, you know, I once went to that mayor's residence when that last guy was mayor, because then I was much more of a sort of, you know, when you're a kind of advocating for left wing stuff, you get a lot of access.

00:01:45.000 You get access, man.

00:01:47.000 Back in those days, I was in that mayoral mansion.

00:01:49.000 What's maybe we'll pass by?

00:01:51.000 Bill was his name then, the mayor.

00:01:53.000 Now it's Mamdani's mayor.

00:01:55.000 I kind of quite like him.

00:01:56.000 I don't know, man.

00:01:57.000 I mean, I kind of like seeing that sort of tapping on the glass, tax the rich kind of stuff.

00:02:04.000 Although, I've got to tell you, I don't like it when I'm getting taxed.

00:02:06.000 So, yeah, there's some hypocrisy right there.

00:02:09.000 So, thanks for joining us.

00:02:11.000 If you're not on Rumble or Rumble Premium, click the link in the description.

00:02:14.000 Get over there.

00:02:14.000 If you're on locals, hello.

00:02:15.000 I love you, you beautiful people.

00:02:16.000 Order my book now, please.

00:02:19.000 And over the next hour, we're going to be showing you some insights and behind the scenes activity from this extraordinary trip to the great metropolis.

00:02:29.000 See you in a second.

00:02:32.000 I don't know who this person is sitting next to me.

00:02:35.000 I've asked several times that they be removed.

00:02:38.000 The language has been abominable, at times, Islamophobic, anti Semitic, a lot of the phobias.

00:02:47.000 But no one will do anything to move her.

00:02:50.000 What's your name, young lady?

00:02:53.000 Very interesting.

00:02:54.000 Interesting, I'm gonna be keeping my eye on you.

00:02:56.000 We're on our way to New York City, we're above, I think, upstate New York or Connecticut or New Jersey.

00:03:04.000 I don't know much about geography.

00:03:06.000 I mean, look out the window.

00:03:07.000 I bet if anyone can identify that from looking at it, I'd be very impressed.

00:03:10.000 I mean, I don't even know the names of all those rivers Hudson River, East River.

00:03:16.000 I don't know, you know, I know when they're around Manhattan.

00:03:19.000 Anyway, we're on our way in there.

00:03:20.000 We're gonna be speaking to Megan Kelly, Piers Morgan.

00:03:25.000 One of the challenges I have is someone's called Megan Kelly, Megan. 0.99

00:03:27.000 Fox because she was on Fox and let's face it she's a bit of a Fox.

00:03:31.000 Piers Morgan.

00:03:32.000 I think you know he's a peer.

00:03:33.000 These are two people that, like me, lived in mainstream media and now have migrated into independent media.

00:03:39.000 They're like me, cockroach.

00:03:41.000 Power can't be killed.

00:03:43.000 So it's gonna be interesting conversations.

00:03:45.000 I'll be talking to him about my book.

00:03:46.000 I'm gonna be talking to him about well, running for mayor of London and I'm gonna be telling the absolute truth.

00:03:55.000 I'm gonna tell the truth all the time and that's gonna be interesting because what's the what?

00:04:00.000 The most famous Buildings in New York.

00:04:02.000 Yes, the Statue of Liberty, not really a building, it's a monument.

00:04:05.000 What's the most famous building?

00:04:07.000 It's the Empire State.

00:04:09.000 So it's the kind of heart of Empire.

00:04:11.000 And we must bring the kingdom to the Empire.

00:04:15.000 We mustn't get caught up in the attitudes and the feelings and the mindset of Empire.

00:04:21.000 And also, you know, I want to say a big thanks to everyone on Delta, particularly, and I think this is Coach Comfort.

00:04:26.000 I've been very comfortable.

00:04:28.000 I could do a bit more coaching.

00:04:29.000 But some of the other passengers, I mean, look at this one.

00:04:33.000 And look at that one, and that lady there.

00:04:36.000 So a lot of very Troubling clientele.

00:04:39.000 Excuse me, I specifically asked not to be seated near a child.

00:04:43.000 Specifically asked. 0.99

00:04:47.000 Particularly ugly children. 0.99

00:04:49.000 Ugh, revolting. 1.00

00:04:52.000 They build an empire on the backs and bones of many.

00:04:57.000 But look at that seascape.

00:04:58.000 It's never not exciting to come into New York from The Guardian or JFK.

00:05:04.000 I went somewhere by helicopter once in New York.

00:05:08.000 I've told you before, Laura, it was a Sort of amazing.

00:05:12.000 And we flew to New Jersey.

00:05:14.000 Oh my god, we flew in a helicopter.

00:05:17.000 Thank you.

00:05:18.000 It's beautiful.

00:05:18.000 It's springtime in New York.

00:05:19.000 You can't go wrong, can you?

00:05:21.000 There's blossoms everywhere we look.

00:05:22.000 My children are making like small town comments the whole time.

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00:07:18.000 I went to the Essex Hotel. 0.95

00:07:21.000 Where I used to stay in the days of silly, silly fame.

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00:07:46.000 And today happens to be the 22nd of April.

00:07:50.000 And I was baptized on the 23rd of April, 2023, I think.

00:07:57.000 Oh, 2024, I get confused about the years actually, but it was like.

00:08:03.000 But on one side, when I was in that River Thames with the vicar standing on the bank in a frankly unnecessary wetsuit, because he actually wasn't even in the river, I was in the River Thames. 0.54

00:08:14.000 One side, my man Joe McCann, Catholic.

00:08:17.000 On the other side, Bear Grylls, the explorer, adventurer, and I would say sort of.

00:08:25.000 Christian leader and sort of leader in general.

00:08:28.000 I'm just now he and I talked about baptism because I'm in New York, as you surely by now know, to go on Piers Morgan and Meghan Kelly's shows.

00:08:41.000 But he just happened to be here.

00:08:43.000 He just happened to be here.

00:08:44.000 So in the night, he texted and went, I'm in New York.

00:08:46.000 I just ran into Piers Morgan.

00:08:48.000 You're in New York.

00:08:50.000 And he said, Come see me.

00:08:52.000 So I went to the Essex Hotel.

00:08:53.000 Last time I was there, I was.

00:08:56.000 Sloshing about, sloshing about like a sloppy steak in the silliness and sin, trying to baptize myself in all the wrong fluids.

00:09:06.000 And I had breakfast with him there and prayed with him.

00:09:14.000 And he said to me, Be calm and be vulnerable.

00:09:20.000 Be calm and be vulnerable.

00:09:22.000 He really spoke so clearly, Jake.

00:09:25.000 Like when you first got famous, it was like someone coming from your background looking like you look. 0.95

00:09:33.000 And I think he said, a scruffy drug addict.

00:09:36.000 He said it was like the brilliant people couldn't understand the brilliance.

00:09:40.000 They couldn't understand how you could talk like that.

00:09:43.000 But you're famous now.

00:09:45.000 And everyone knows you can talk like that.

00:09:49.000 And it's time to do a different thing.

00:09:51.000 So in a minute, we'll be at Megyn Kelly. 0.99

00:09:53.000 I think she does her show live on Sirius.

00:09:56.000 So, anything that happens will happen.

00:09:59.000 And I suppose my challenge is whether or not I can be there.

00:10:03.000 Can I be in an environment with stimulants and not give in to the stimulation?

00:10:11.000 The stimulations might include fear, they might include excitement.

00:10:16.000 They will include, there will be stimulants because we're not dead when we're in God, we're dead when we're in the world.

00:10:24.000 And I can see what that actually means, you know, dead in sin.

00:10:28.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly.

00:10:30.000 Welcome to the Megan Kelly Show and what the show we have for you today.

00:10:33.000 Democracy, if it doesn't mean that we govern in accordance with the will of the people, means nothing.

00:10:39.000 What democracy means, I have been taught these days, is these institutions that we control constitute democracy.

00:10:48.000 We're going to put them all around the world and control them there.

00:10:50.000 But we could have democracy.

00:10:51.000 The technology exists.

00:10:52.000 I mean, look, we thought we were getting that when we elected Trump and we thought that.

00:10:56.000 Did you?

00:10:57.000 Yeah, I did.

00:10:57.000 I don't know.

00:10:58.000 Maybe I'm naive.

00:10:59.000 I'm old, but I'm naive.

00:11:01.000 I just thought that Trump really meant it when he promised to buck the system.

00:11:05.000 He promised he couldn't be bought.

00:11:07.000 He was bought.

00:11:08.000 I mean, like the Miriam Madison $250 million bought him on Iran and Israel.

00:11:13.000 And he's doing exactly what she wanted him to do.

00:11:16.000 He was manipulated by Netanyahu. 0.76

00:11:19.000 She's thrilled.

00:11:20.000 This is not what his base wanted.

00:11:22.000 And it's unfortunate.

00:11:23.000 I didn't think Trump could be bought.

00:11:24.000 I really believed that he couldn't.

00:11:26.000 It's hugely disappointing.

00:11:28.000 And I feel as many do, which is it's a betrayal.

00:11:31.000 A lot of my audience disagrees with me, and I understand their POV too, but that's how I feel on Trump.

00:11:37.000 What do you think they love about Trump still once the migration from America First politics becomes evident?

00:11:46.000 What is it?

00:11:46.000 The charisma, the figure?

00:11:48.000 Because what I like about him is his energy.

00:11:50.000 I was like, Trump was coming into a set. 0.94

00:11:51.000 When I was in 2015, I was like, this guy's crazy. 1.00

00:11:53.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:11:54.000 It's not possible.

00:11:55.000 But the second time, but I liked it that the central powers didn't get what they wanted.

00:11:59.000 I liked that.

00:12:00.000 Same was with Brexit.

00:12:01.000 I don't care about Brexit, EU, not EU.

00:12:03.000 I don't care about admin.

00:12:04.000 But what I like is when you see the people not behave as they're supposed to.

00:12:08.000 I love that.

00:12:09.000 And what is it this time?

00:12:10.000 What's happened, Megan?

00:12:11.000 And people that still love him, what is it that they still love?

00:12:16.000 There's a lot.

00:12:17.000 I think his sense of humor is very endearing, it's very charming.

00:12:21.000 And, um, You know, he can actually be very self deprecating, which is charming too, especially given the amount of power that he has. 0.97

00:12:28.000 I think the amount of shit that's been thrown at him and his unwillingness to stay down, you know, he just gets back up no matter what people do to him. 0.97

00:12:36.000 No, I mean, try to put him in jail multiple times. 1.00

00:12:39.000 They tried to ruin his family. 0.82

00:12:40.000 They tried to kill him.

00:12:42.000 You know, I mean, so much has happened to him and he just keeps going.

00:12:45.000 Like you just cannot stand him down.

00:12:47.000 And that's very admirable.

00:12:49.000 For most of his time in the public eye, he has had all the right enemies.

00:12:53.000 You know, he stood up against.

00:12:55.000 The race dogma, the trans dogma, the xenophobe dogma about having a southern border in a way that was very admirable and we needed desperately because we were losing those wars.

00:13:06.000 You know, the woke thing was taking over in every department with our children, with our lives, and our employment.

00:13:12.000 And Trump was the bulwark against us, saying, hell no.

00:13:16.000 And he had this sheer strength and power to turn it all around.

00:13:20.000 He really did.

00:13:21.000 Like, you know, it was like the parting of the seas.

00:13:24.000 Like, I will just make this happen despite all odds with my immense power.

00:13:29.000 So, all of that has been, you know, just inspirational.

00:13:34.000 Inspirational.

00:13:34.000 I think many of us just like Trump.

00:13:36.000 You know, we like his personality.

00:13:38.000 But then the other truth of it is, there are aspects of his personality which are obviously not good and that we've mostly just chosen to overlook.

00:13:47.000 You know, he's not a moral man.

00:13:49.000 He's obviously not the greatest husband in the world. 1.00

00:13:52.000 And he's extremely petty and thin skinned, extremely petty and thin skinned. 0.99

00:13:56.000 And what we're seeing right now is he's turning on his most loyal supporters because they don't. 0.98

00:14:01.000 Support this war and getting in bed with people who fucking hate him and have hated him from the beginning and were the original never Trumpers, as though that's what MAGA is. 0.92

00:14:12.000 That's what his core support should look like. 0.98

00:14:14.000 Meanwhile, there are many who are over here who have loved Trump for many, many years.

00:14:18.000 We've had our skirmishes in the past.

00:14:20.000 Tucker's had skirmishes with him. 0.65

00:14:21.000 I have too, but who fought harder than a lot of others during the lawfare against him to make sure people knew that it was bullshit, stood up for him during the actual electoral contest to make sure people understood what was at stake and why he had to be the choice.

00:14:37.000 Who he just, you know, there's no loyalty in return ever from Trump, ever.

00:14:41.000 If you have a principled disagreement with something he does, you're otherwise, you're the enemy.

00:14:46.000 And at this particular moment, he's alienating so many of his core supporters, biggest believers and boosters, and running to people who have not been able to stand him for 10 years, like a Mark Levin or a Ben Shapiro who actively was against Trump.

00:15:03.000 He was a total DeSantis guy.

00:15:05.000 He only went on board with Trump when DeSantis was, of course, toast and he had no.

00:15:10.000 Choice, but to save his audience and get on board with the Republican nominee.

00:15:13.000 Whatever.

00:15:15.000 It is what it is.

00:15:17.000 It is what it is.

00:15:18.000 But there's still, in my view, a lot to like about Trump.

00:15:21.000 It's just some of those darker demons are much more in the front view right now because he's like a cornered animal.

00:15:28.000 He's got no support in this Iran war. 0.58

00:15:30.000 He can't bring it to an end. 0.99

00:15:31.000 These are tough motherfuckers who are not doing what we want them to and coming to the negotiating table and giving us what we want so we can get out and just declare it a win. 0.98

00:15:38.000 He sees his poll numbers are now, his latest poll approval on Iran was 30. 0.99

00:15:43.000 At 30%.

00:15:44.000 I mean, his job approval in like the last five polls has been in the low thirties, low thirties.

00:15:51.000 So his legacy is on the line and you can tell he can tell.

00:15:54.000 So he's acting out in a very, very bad way.

00:15:58.000 And I, my prayer every night, every night, Russell, is that he will get back on track.

00:16:02.000 He will reconnect with what, you know, the agenda that we put him in office to enact. 0.90

00:16:08.000 He will extract himself from this very money driven agenda by the Miriam Adelsons of the world.

00:16:14.000 You know, she's purchasing what she wants and Trump's being manipulated into doing it, which is infuriating.

00:16:20.000 And that the country, or at least those of us who are on what I call Team Sanity, can come back together and work to defeat these crazy leftists like James Carville, who wants to pack the Supreme Court and add Puerto Rico and DC as states, right?

00:16:31.000 Like the Republicans will never win another national election if we do that.

00:16:36.000 Anyway, it's a very tumultuous time.

00:16:37.000 It sounded like you, at points, feel like personally betrayed as an advocate for Trump, and at other times ideologically betrayed.

00:16:46.000 And with this war, Some of the larger points I've seen sort of play out over a long time because I don't have anything like the granular detail or the journalistic excellence that you've just displayed in describing that.

00:16:59.000 But from my sort of more vague and hazy perspective, like what I've seen, I've just seen people saying, oh, well, Trump always had those views about Iran. 1.00

00:17:06.000 Trump always said that Iran was stupid. 1.00

00:17:08.000 That's what they say. 1.00

00:17:10.000 And that Iran, if they were ever to develop a nuclear capacity.

00:17:13.000 Now, for me, those arguments seem, in one case, irrelevant that he's always felt it.

00:17:19.000 And in the second instance, It, it, it, very similar to the weapons of mass destruction argument that was used.

00:17:25.000 That's it, exactly.

00:17:26.000 So I wonder then, what is this force, this power that is so sufficient that it would see, don't you sometimes think with great leaders and great people, all it is is just for a moment, they're the temporary conductor.

00:17:40.000 You know, Churchill, very fallible, broken, alcoholic, depressive, lunatic, who not necessarily lunatic, but for a moment was able to carry world opposition against as best we can understand this great force for evil.

00:17:55.000 So, with Trump, what do you suppose is happening? 0.66

00:17:58.000 Do you think bored in a sort of financial and economic way?

00:18:01.000 Do you think compromised in the post Epstein world?

00:18:05.000 We all have to assume that it seems that people largely are.

00:18:09.000 Or what is this power that is so large that it can wrangle this gargantuan male away from what seemed to be his evident trajectory to at least continue to consolidate a very large group of supporters?

00:18:25.000 I mean, I think on Israel.

00:18:27.000 In the Republican Party, there's never been any downside to being 100% pro Israel.

00:18:32.000 From the time I started at Fox News in 2004 until only very recently, in the Republican Party, there was no downside to saying you were 100% on Team Israel, to promote Israel, to go visit Israel, to take money from AIPAC.

00:18:45.000 That was no one in the Republican politics would ever second guess it or judge it.

00:18:51.000 It's only been more recent because, well, I mean, Gaza, I mean, that's really one of the main things. 0.72

00:18:56.000 It was happening on the left prior to Gaza, but the violence that Israel unleashed.

00:19:02.000 On civilians in Gaza just got past the point where you could overlook it as a friend who was like looking at your friend who got attacked viciously on 10 7 and trying to look the other way.

00:19:11.000 Like, some of these civilian casualties are going to happen.

00:19:14.000 It's war.

00:19:14.000 It happened when we did wars too.

00:19:16.000 But like, to the point where it's like, geez, like, this is out of control.

00:19:21.000 Like, it defended you a lot of times on the genocide claim, you know, tens of thousands more and more and more.

00:19:29.000 You're kind of undermining my ability to root for you, never mind defend you.

00:19:32.000 And I think Republicans started to feel it too, young Republicans first.

00:19:36.000 And they started to migrate away from Israel.

00:19:38.000 So the stakes changed.

00:19:39.000 Like this ardent support of Israel no longer became totally acceptable within Republican politics.

00:19:44.000 And the coalition that was totally pro Israel started to fracture. 0.56

00:19:48.000 The Democrats left, the independents left, the Republicans started to trickle away with the youth first going entirely, entirely.

00:19:55.000 And now the only people who really support Israel are senior citizen Republicans, people basically who are 65 or around there or older and Republican.

00:20:03.000 Those are the ones who are still pro Israel, which includes Trump.

00:20:07.000 And he didn't get it.

00:20:08.000 Like he did not have his finger on the pulse of where the party was on Israel and still, I think, thought. 0.60

00:20:14.000 He could do something that would be great for Israel, which is start a war with Iran, and it would go over well, that his core base would applaud him for it. 0.55

00:20:23.000 And I believe him that he never wanted Iran to have a nuclear weapon. 0.91

00:20:27.000 I think those statements were sincere.

00:20:30.000 But more than that, he promised no new wars and no wars in the Middle East, which last time I checked includes Iran.

00:20:35.000 And so, but if Trump had looked at us and said, and Tulsi Gabbard had looked at us, and Joe Kent had looked at us, and the IAEA had looked at us and said, Iran is within a month of getting a nuclear bomb.

00:20:46.000 The country would have stood behind Trump. 0.73

00:20:48.000 We would have believed them.

00:20:50.000 But that's not what happened.

00:20:52.000 The IAEA and Tulsi and Joe Kent, they all said no.

00:20:56.000 They're not.

00:20:56.000 They don't have the capacity to get a nuclear bomb.

00:20:58.000 They're nowhere close to getting a nuclear bomb.

00:21:00.000 And by the way, those strikes we did last June were very effective in dismantling whatever nuclear program they had, whether it was civilian or not, and they'd been enriching beyond civilian needs.

00:21:10.000 So it wasn't true that they were about to get it.

00:21:13.000 If it had been, the country would have gotten behind him, and we would have looked at that secret escape hatch from No New Wars. 0.86

00:21:19.000 Unless Iran's about to get a nuclear weapon. 0.86

00:21:21.000 It wasn't true.

00:21:23.000 He used that, that excuse that he had always said, uh, they can't have a nuclear bomb to do what Netanyahu wanted him to do and what Netanyahu convinced Trump to do, which was to start a war with them. 0.55

00:21:36.000 And he did that because he was razzle dazzled by Netanyahu into believing that the Ayatollah is going to be above ground. 0.54

00:21:42.000 So are his top emissaries. 0.60

00:21:43.000 We can take them out. 1.00

00:21:44.000 They tried to kill you. 0.95

00:21:45.000 Now you can get him before he gets you. 0.99

00:21:47.000 It'll be like Venezuela. 0.99

00:21:49.000 You'll get in, you'll get out. 1.00

00:21:50.000 You'll be a hero.

00:21:50.000 You'll change the whole world because a kinder, gentler Jeb Bartlett type is going to take over in Iran and be the new Ayatollah, the sweet, loving one who sends his cookies upon his ascension.

00:22:00.000 And, and Trump listened.

00:22:02.000 He, he, Netanyahu playing him like a fiddle.

00:22:05.000 He played to his hubris, which is exactly how you're supposed to manipulate Trump.

00:22:09.000 All these world leaders know it.

00:22:10.000 Look how they bend the knee at NATO now. 0.99

00:22:12.000 You know, it's ridiculous. 0.97

00:22:14.000 Oh, my daddy, our daddy. 0.95

00:22:15.000 It's like, oh my God.

00:22:17.000 That's what they do.

00:22:17.000 Look at the, look at the cabinet members at the cabinet meetings.

00:22:22.000 Thanks to you, Mr. President. 0.99

00:22:24.000 It's like they all have to kiss his ass before they give their updates because they're trying to manipulate him into keeping them in their roles and into liking them. 0.99

00:22:32.000 And that's all well and good. 0.99

00:22:33.000 It never really bothered me that much.

00:22:34.000 I don't love it, but it doesn't.

00:22:36.000 But when it's working to start wars, it's deeply problematic.

00:22:41.000 And it's how we got in this mess.

00:22:42.000 With people like, say, Thomas Massey, who would have long contested this would play out in this manner, or any average pick-a-mut random Democrat that would have said, if Well, don't you remember what they were saying is if you vote for Trump, it's going to bring about global annihilation and the world, all of the, you know, what they call Trump derangement syndrome.

00:23:02.000 Now, do you say that your adjustment is as a result of action and therefore legitimate?

00:23:08.000 And anyone, like whether it's you or Tucker or Candace or people whose opinions matter in this country, you have a responsibility to alter your perspective on the basis of new information and evidence.

00:23:20.000 Or do you, or is there a concession to be made to those people that prior to Trump?

00:23:25.000 0.20, however you say that thing, were saying, You can't have this guy in charge, he's an arsonist, you know, all of the stuff that they said.

00:23:31.000 Do you feel any of that?

00:23:33.000 Or is it like, because where I am, not that you've asked, but like, you know, just to add this, is that we all feel that politicians like Barack Obama, Netanyahu, Tony Blair, not we all, some people feel that those people are kind of, whether they're the sort of compromised political class that is epitomised by the Epstein stuff or not, there is some way that they are controlled.

00:23:56.000 That's what people feel.

00:23:58.000 They're controlled.

00:23:59.000 They're not really in charge.

00:24:00.000 There's a set of powers that are beyond and behind them, and maybe it's a cultist, maybe not.

00:24:04.000 Difficult to corroborate, who knows.

00:24:06.000 Where do you stand on that?

00:24:08.000 And do you not feel, what do you feel now?

00:24:12.000 Like, where do we go now?

00:24:14.000 Because you're not going to get another Trump.

00:24:16.000 You're not going to get another populist like that.

00:24:19.000 So, like, where do you put your political vigor and influence in light of all this?

00:24:25.000 Well, I certainly am not thinking, gee, we should have gone with Kamala at all.

00:24:29.000 I mean, because as upset as many of us are about this war, Trump closed the border, which saved Countless lives.

00:24:38.000 Trump did issue a bunch of executive orders on the trans issue, which saved a bunch of children's lives.

00:24:45.000 And Trump Kennedy, HHS, that's all good.

00:24:48.000 Huge.

00:24:48.000 I mean, we could do more.

00:24:49.000 I have to be honest.

00:24:50.000 Like, there's more that Kennedy could do.

00:24:51.000 So, we were talking about Trump when we last left off, which is that's all we've been talking about for 10 years.

00:24:57.000 Like, Trump dominates every thought and every conversation.

00:25:01.000 But what were you trying to ask me?

00:25:02.000 I wasn't trying to ask you anything.

00:25:03.000 I was successfully asking you.

00:25:05.000 Sorry, sorry.

00:25:06.000 Put your political enthusiasm if you've been disabused of the notion that any political leader, no matter how charismatic and demagogic, is going to achieve anything, ultimately, that they will ultimately be subsumed by some invisible interest that appears to steer world power.

00:25:21.000 What do you think?

00:25:22.000 Yeah, and you were saying, could it happen to like a Thomas Massey?

00:25:25.000 I actually don't think it could happen to a Thomas Massey.

00:25:27.000 I don't think it could happen to a Rand Paul.

00:25:29.000 No, I was using Thomas Massey as an example of someone that sort of trod the line.

00:25:33.000 Like that guy, he's no, this is my views, this is my views.

00:25:36.000 They're trying to buy me.

00:25:37.000 I'm not doing it.

00:25:38.000 Like someone that's sort of shown kind of an integrity.

00:25:40.000 And I mean integrity in the sense of he's remained sort of in alignment with.

00:25:44.000 And I think there was a red flag on Trump because what was he at heart?

00:25:47.000 A dealmaker.

00:25:48.000 Right.

00:25:49.000 He's been a dealmaker his whole life.

00:25:51.000 And that should have been maybe more of a red flag that he would say there's no core principles in there that are driving him on most issues.

00:26:01.000 Like there were a couple.

00:26:02.000 Like I do believe he's against illegal immigration.

00:26:08.000 I do believe he saw genuine concerns around the trade war and manufacturing and what China was doing.

00:26:14.000 I think that was sincere, and we've seen him try to do something about that.

00:26:19.000 He's got sincere beliefs about doing business with other nations and how we can make America richer.

00:26:25.000 And I think, like, all that glad Henning he did with his Saudi Arabia summit, where he's like, Yeah, you're going to invest in America.

00:26:31.000 Great.

00:26:31.000 We're all going to get rich.

00:26:32.000 We don't have to hate each other anymore.

00:26:34.000 I think that was sincere.

00:26:35.000 But that deal maker thing is probably what.

00:26:38.000 Got us into trouble on the Iran thing.

00:26:40.000 So I don't know.

00:26:40.000 I rarely put my faith in politicians.

00:26:43.000 I'm not sure I ever really totally put it in Trump.

00:26:45.000 I fell in love with Trump's professional promises to us. 0.99

00:26:48.000 Like, I really believed he would close the border, he would kick out the illegals, that he would stop the trans mania. 0.99

00:26:58.000 I believe that he would crack down on crime to the extent you can at the federal level. 1.00

00:27:01.000 And I have to say, he's lived up to those promises, except for the deportations.

00:27:06.000 He has closed the border. 0.79

00:27:06.000 He has done a lot on trans. 0.79

00:27:08.000 He has tried to do what Of President Ken on crime.

00:27:10.000 And I'm grateful for all those things. 0.71

00:27:12.000 But, you know, this other stuff Epstein, Iran, the economy have been pretty disastrous.

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00:29:04.000 Links in the description and pinned in the comment, and I'm going to be using it because I'm always creating content.

00:29:09.000 What you want to do, though, is organize systems of opposition to this corrupt and disgusting centralized tyranny that we're all forced to fight right now.

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00:29:21.000 Okay, so it's like you are quite objective.

00:29:23.000 And while I'm listening to you, I'm remembering that famous moment, I think, in the primaries where he said red eyes and red.

00:29:30.000 Blood coming out of my eyes and out of my wherever.

00:29:32.000 So it's kind of like that's kind of one of the most memorable and like, whoa, Trump kind of pop culture moments.

00:29:40.000 But now, from a.

00:29:41.000 It seems from a well versed, studied, and journalistic perspective, you're saying that Trump isn't fulfilling his pledge to his voter base.

00:29:50.000 And what I'm curious about is the problem we have, Megan, as content creators, is that we can just live in the mad vicissitudes of never ending conflicts and just sort of find a path through it.

00:30:02.000 Someone was telling me, oh, a lot of people think that Tucker has become more expressive or condemnatory of Trump, and in particular regarding foreign policy in Israel, obviously.

00:30:13.000 That there's a kind of a tactical move, there's a strategic move, there's a way of garnering audience.

00:30:17.000 And yeah, I really don't feel that either about Tucker at all or anyone actually, or people we're discussing.

00:30:25.000 But what I'm trying to ask, and I suppose now I am trying to ask, is where do you put your enthusiasm now?

00:30:33.000 Because 28, JD Vance, where do you go?

00:30:36.000 Okay, but this time, because me, I've reverted to where I was as a kid.

00:30:43.000 Kid and a smackhead, a drug addict, saying, You can't vote, trust any of them because there are systems that control them.

00:30:48.000 And it doesn't matter how, as long as these systems are fundamentally controlled by the same interests, whether they're global, bureaucratic, or deep state. 0.94

00:30:55.000 They call that being black pilled.

00:30:57.000 So, where do we, if we're black pilled then, and me as a follower of Jesus and you're Christian, hey? 0.65

00:31:03.000 Yeah.

00:31:04.000 Right.

00:31:04.000 So, where do we go?

00:31:06.000 Where do we go when it comes to advocacy?

00:31:08.000 What are you saying?

00:31:10.000 Well, the next step is relative evils.

00:31:12.000 Oh, great.

00:31:13.000 Well, I don't like that.

00:31:14.000 I know.

00:31:15.000 It's unfortunate, but that's the next logical step because.

00:31:18.000 It is a binary system.

00:31:20.000 One of them is going to ascend to power, and you have to choose the lesser of two evils.

00:31:25.000 That's really what it's always been about.

00:31:27.000 You know, I mean, even with Trump, you know, he asked me to come speak for him and go to that rally and sort of endorse him the night before the vote.

00:31:37.000 And I did wrestle with it, but something inside of me told me, you have to do it.

00:31:41.000 Because I knew, I knew we'd be in far worse shape if Kamala Harris won.

00:31:46.000 She could not win.

00:31:47.000 There was just absolutely no way we could allow that.

00:31:49.000 So it wasn't like I love and adore Trump.

00:31:52.000 You know, personally, he and I have always had a friction between us.

00:31:57.000 You know, it's been very complicated between us for many, many years.

00:32:02.000 Which is good.

00:32:03.000 I would take complicated.

00:32:04.000 I'm a journalist.

00:32:05.000 You know, I never wanted to be his bootlicker, and I never have been.

00:32:09.000 I never have been.

00:32:10.000 He and I have had ups and downs, and I've been critical at times and very, very promotional at other times.

00:32:16.000 But I knew that he was better than she was. 0.64

00:32:19.000 Yeah.

00:32:19.000 And I still feel like we'll have to make that choice next time around.

00:32:23.000 But look, I have voted in nine presidential elections five of them I voted Republican, and four of them I voted Democrat.

00:32:32.000 And they have, it wasn't all like, The four when I was super young.

00:32:35.000 You know, like I am a true independent.

00:32:38.000 I will make up my mind based on the person who gets the nomination and go from there.

00:32:42.000 And what does the country look like?

00:32:44.000 What are the issues that are really important right now?

00:32:47.000 But, Megan, from where we are now, what level of independence does that demonstrate really when surely what we have agreed on is that there is no meaningful transaction taking place in the tension of a bipartisan system?

00:33:00.000 Well, but take what I just said.

00:33:02.000 Like, what if your top issue is, and my two top issues were the border and the trans thing.

00:33:08.000 And Trump did a good job on those.

00:33:10.000 I'd like the deportations to happen, but like we've made so much progress on the trans thing. 1.00

00:33:15.000 We're not, we are still cutting off the penises of little boys, but not as often as we used to. 1.00

00:33:20.000 I did one this morning. 0.99

00:33:22.000 And the whole messaging around it has changed.

00:33:27.000 The Olympics changed.

00:33:28.000 This is all thanks to Trump.

00:33:29.000 All these hospitals are stopping the procedures.

00:33:31.000 That's thanks to Trump.

00:33:32.000 So we've gotten something.

00:33:34.000 But compared to potential Armageddon and yielding to perhaps the supreme forces that ultimately control the world, those are.

00:33:41.000 Empiric victories indeed.

00:33:43.000 And don't somebody had to ascend.

00:33:45.000 So, what are you going to do?

00:33:46.000 Like, completely withdraw from the process altogether, seed the arguments, let the Democrats make two new states so we'll never see a Republican in national power again?

00:33:57.000 Like, no, I have to fight those battles.

00:33:59.000 What if the can we not generate new battles by proposing radical systemic change and the radical decentralization of political power?

00:34:11.000 I'm asking you this.

00:34:12.000 We have to get rid of the two party system. 0.65

00:34:14.000 Yeah, the first thing you'd have to do is get rid of the two party primary system.

00:34:17.000 Cool, just do that.

00:34:18.000 I mean, you know, so like, you know, why are people not acknowledging that if the technology exists for all of us to carry digital ID, essentially 70% of the global population to get vaccinated overnight from either a made up or potentially not as threatening as it was presented disease, then why don't we collectively, particularly people that have extraordinary sway, and indeed if you are about to face extraordinary attacks, it's precisely as a result of the influence and impact you could have.

00:34:45.000 Why?

00:34:46.000 I'm curious, genuinely, it's a real question because I'm trying to understand it myself.

00:34:49.000 What if these voices in independent media became overtly and deliberately active in politics?

00:34:56.000 Doesn't that have the extraordinary salve of resolving these cultural issues instantly?

00:35:04.000 I.e., if there is a community that wants to be run in accordance with Sharia law within some state somewhere, then allow them to democratically do it. 0.69

00:35:14.000 If there is a community, That want to have a sort of a trans utopia, allow them to do it. 0.82

00:35:20.000 However, in these communities, we want to maximally run them in accordance with these principles. 1.00

00:35:27.000 In a sense, what is the point of nations of this size and scale?

00:35:32.000 Do you not consider that the rise of nationalism was itself a response to globalism and people beginning to sense that there was no national sovereignty in France or in Germany or in Sri Lanka or in the United States of America?

00:35:46.000 And if you look at trends like, for example, the rise of agricultural protests, it's an indication.

00:35:50.000 That through global bureaucratic edicts, they're trying to control food sourcing.

00:35:55.000 And indeed, then, if there is a global problem, perhaps because of the miracle of this new communication in which you are a leader, that we could be advocating not just for a different incumbent in a corrupt system, but a different system entirely.

00:36:12.000 And it's not that long ago, 250 years or wherever it was since the establishment of your great country, that even when the War of Independence was won against that other country, don't remember who lost it, but I'm sure they had some good points and a reasonable king. 0.89

00:36:24.000 Who was not syphilitic and mad? 0.78

00:36:29.000 Many, isn't it?

00:36:30.000 Patrick Henry said, We've got to go further.

00:36:32.000 Too much centralization.

00:36:34.000 Empower states, and then the states empower communities, and the communities empower the individual.

00:36:39.000 And you have to end the problem of donation, has to end.

00:36:44.000 Lobbying has to end.

00:36:45.000 Unless you make those kind of proposals, unless you make the position of leadership a position of service so that you don't even attract.

00:36:53.000 Or just smaller, or just smaller.

00:36:55.000 Whatever possible.

00:36:56.000 Yeah, much, much smaller.

00:36:57.000 De ideologize it.

00:36:59.000 Look, I love your optimism.

00:37:01.000 I guess I'm just a cynical mofo at heart, where I'm like, that's never going to happen.

00:37:04.000 The corporate money.

00:37:05.000 I'm a little cynical on this front.

00:37:07.000 I just feel like there's too much money.

00:37:10.000 There are too many entrenched interests that control all of this that I feel no cogs in the wheel are going to change it.

00:37:17.000 But maybe I'm wrong.

00:37:18.000 Maybe I should be more optimistic.

00:37:19.000 No cogs in the wheel.

00:37:20.000 But I will say one thing to your point I think that this little ecosystem of independent voices is important.

00:37:29.000 People are getting killed for it.

00:37:30.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:37:31.000 People are getting shot dead in public because of the impact, it seems to me.

00:37:35.000 People are having their reputations tarnished, I think, precisely because of that.

00:37:39.000 So, what my interest is, is why are we pretending that we are at an advantage when you centralize power?

00:37:48.000 Of course, there are areas where central coordination is beneficial, but the principle ought to be decentralization and democracy.

00:37:57.000 These are not new ideas.

00:37:58.000 If the technology that existed today existed when this nation was founded, How much power would they have afforded at the local level?

00:38:07.000 They would have afforded more.

00:38:09.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:38:09.000 Now that technology does.

00:38:10.000 That, of course, was the original ideal anyway.

00:38:13.000 That was the whole goal of having these little states that were experimental and a very small national federal government that we'd all join and that would be sort of, we'd have some basic ideals that would be enforced at that level, but that each state could have its own personality and its own laws and its own culture.

00:38:30.000 That was always the vision for America.

00:38:32.000 It's only.

00:38:34.000 As the country went on, that we got a more bloated and empowered federal government, that we then ceded a bunch of powers from the congressional branch, which is the people's representative, to the executive branch.

00:38:45.000 It's gotten bigger and bigger under Obama, under Biden, and now under Trump.

00:38:51.000 I'd love to get back to where we have a very, very, very tiny, disempowered executive who really can't do much. 0.96

00:38:59.000 That'd be great. 0.99

00:39:00.000 That would be much more consistent with the way the founders wanted the country to be run.

00:39:03.000 And now, with the technology that we have, that flow, that charge could.

00:39:06.000 Be reversed.

00:39:07.000 It's absolutely possible that people could participate in democracy.

00:39:11.000 When I've had to do it, like in 12 step groups that I'm a member of, they're democratic and it's slow and it's boring.

00:39:17.000 And it doesn't matter how well you think you talk or how charismatic you think you are, you only have one vote and you only have one voice.

00:39:24.000 And so, if they want a coffee machine, they'll get one.

00:39:27.000 If they don't want a coffee machine, they won't get one.

00:39:29.000 It's humbling and it's cohesive.

00:39:32.000 And He has no favorites, our Lord.

00:39:33.000 He sees us all.

00:39:35.000 You're all just my kids.

00:39:36.000 I love you all.

00:39:36.000 I made you perfect as an individual.

00:39:38.000 You're exactly as you're meant to be.

00:39:39.000 And then we won't dislocate into bizarre crazes like wokeism the important principle of kindness and compassion.

00:39:46.000 We know that our Lord, if He were here, Would love people that were confused and broken and concerned and trying to align their inner self with an outer world that they felt didn't understand them.

00:39:56.000 We know that the broken that were lost in the fentanyl crisis would find comfort in him.

00:40:01.000 I feel that he has to have the government resting on his shoulders.

00:40:05.000 We can't let human beings run society through rationalism with the idea that human authority and the human mind is the supreme system of judgment.

00:40:16.000 And I feel like.

00:40:18.000 I know what I'm asking actually because I don't know anything.

00:40:20.000 What the last few years has taught me is how little I know about anything.

00:40:23.000 But what I'm wondering, oh my god, same, why not have dissolve power wherever possible?

00:40:30.000 Wherever possible, allow people to run their own communities locally, grow food locally, do not put poisonous substances into food or water or the air, do not try to control nature, have independence when it comes to the manufacturing of your food and utilities, lose your obsession and fixation with gadgets and endless progress.

00:40:51.000 It's not going to answer the Problem.

00:40:53.000 Even the mad and giddy progress and ascent of the false gods of Neuralink et al. will come tumbling down eventually.

00:41:01.000 We are made to be custodians and stewards to the land, and we're here to love one another.

00:41:07.000 And these ideas are perfectly expressed.

00:41:08.000 And the miracle of my Christianity let me for one second talk about this book and not do my trial practice, which you have been very good at.

00:41:15.000 And thank you for being a compassionate and judicious interrogator when it's come to those complex matters.

00:41:19.000 But what I really want to say is that the reason I became Christian is because what I had learned as an addict in recovery.

00:41:26.000 That this world can never give you what you think it can give you, not through drugs, not through sex, not through fame, not through approval, applause, or anything.

00:41:33.000 Christ has it for you already and he's waiting to give it to you.

00:41:37.000 And I thought I was so smart.

00:41:40.000 I thought I was so smart.

00:41:41.000 I'm countercultural.

00:41:43.000 Before you were talking about red pills and blue pills, I'd already taken so many hallucinogens.

00:41:48.000 I'd seen through all of the veils and walls of your phony systems.

00:41:52.000 Then I read that book, the holy book.

00:41:54.000 I read the Bible.

00:41:55.000 And what does it say in there throughout the New Testament?

00:41:58.000 Be careful in this world.

00:41:59.000 The devil's in control.

00:42:00.000 It's fallen into the control of someone who's going to create systems that seem like God's kingdom, but they're actually false, completely false.

00:42:07.000 Don't trust any leaders.

00:42:09.000 They're all broken and fallen. 0.99

00:42:10.000 Even the wisest kings we've ever had may fall into corruption and concubines and idiocy because of hubris, because of vanity, vanity, all is vanity. 0.96

00:42:20.000 What do I learn in there?

00:42:21.000 That God loves us so much that not only does he create us to be in relationship with one another, that he is willing to absorb all of our sins and our brokenness and the worst things you could say about yourself and think about yourself.

00:42:31.000 He knows them all and he loves you anyway.

00:42:34.000 And it doesn't matter if you think you're born in the wrong body and it doesn't matter if you think you don't fit in with this tribe or that tribe or you don't fit in or you don't belong.

00:42:40.000 He loves you.

00:42:41.000 He made you to be as you are.

00:42:43.000 And we can't outsource power anymore to ideologues who don't understand the most basic principles of unison.

00:42:51.000 We are all his son.

00:42:52.000 He loves all of us.

00:42:53.000 He don't want us hating Muslims.

00:42:54.000 He don't want us hating gay people or trans people or people south of the border or north of the border.

00:42:58.000 He wants us to be one family and reason decoupled from the divine.

00:43:03.000 Leads to a kind of insanity.

00:43:05.000 But reason is a perfect and beautiful tool for organizing resources if we recognize our place as his children.

00:43:11.000 But when we start to clamber above him, which by the way was the floor of Satan, Satan's self, the fallen one who wants to run his own counterfeit kingdom, who thinks there is no God, who poses as a God, then we get into very, very deep trouble.

00:43:24.000 So I don't even really care if this book gets read or not read or creates one Christian or no Christians or many, many Christians.

00:43:34.000 All I'm really interested in is participating in something truthful and valuable.

00:43:38.000 Even when I come on your podcast, I don't want to sit here and try and persuade people that I am something that I'm not, although I wasn't something that other people say I am.

00:43:45.000 I'm going to die. 0.99

00:43:46.000 You're going to die. 1.00

00:43:47.000 We're all going to die. 0.99

00:43:48.000 That's the truth of our situation. 1.00

00:43:51.000 Now, while we're here, do you want to stay in some stupid, fetishized hatred or do you want to participate in the coming of his kingdom, which is what you are called to do? 0.97

00:44:02.000 And if ideas occur to you that might bring that about, don't be afraid to openly share them. 0.97

00:44:07.000 Don't be afraid to notice that the technology that you vote for pop idols or X Factors or some dumb thing for could be used to say, I don't want to have a war with Iran. 0.91

00:44:18.000 I don't want one. 0.85

00:44:19.000 I'm not sending you my taxes.

00:44:21.000 I'm not doing that anymore.

00:44:23.000 We're not being radical enough.

00:44:25.000 We're not being Christian enough.

00:44:27.000 We've forgotten who the God is that died for us.

00:44:30.000 You have to be bold and you have to be willing to die for it.

00:44:34.000 And given what you're saying on your show right now, it seems like you're willing to die for what you believe in.

00:44:38.000 So we'll die for something worth believing.

00:44:40.000 It's a risk we're all taking every day these days.

00:44:42.000 I mean, just being bold with our opinions and saying them unapologetically, given the environment we're in.

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00:46:09.000 See, I told you that I was going to be on Meghan Kelly.

00:46:11.000 Megan, it went quite well, I thought, did it?

00:46:13.000 I thought you were brilliant.

00:46:14.000 Thank you.

00:46:15.000 I could have done better.

00:46:16.000 No, you were excellent as well.

00:46:17.000 You really explained the dissent of Trump pretty beautifully.

00:46:21.000 I really understood it in a different way then.

00:46:24.000 Also, we had it was such good fun when you started to speculate on the jail time that I'll be doing.

00:46:30.000 That was a really nice, light hearted moment.

00:46:31.000 It was concerned. 0.97

00:46:33.000 I'm worried that the UK is crazy.

00:46:35.000 I just feel like we can't trust them and this probably isn't going to end well, and that scares me.

00:46:41.000 Buy the book while you can.

00:46:43.000 Just had an amazing conversation with Meghan Kelly.

00:46:47.000 It was confronting because Meghan Kelly has obviously a very different perspective on my.

00:46:57.000 Promiscuous sexual past, and I was really actually very grateful of the opportunity to talk to someone who sees that behavior as I do as exploitative.

00:47:04.000 And I think one of the, look, this is the macro actual challenge.

00:47:09.000 When the state becomes the most powerful entity in the world, the empire state, let's call it, we're in New York after all, it is given the role of deciding right and wrong.

00:47:20.000 But God decides right and wrong.

00:47:22.000 Now, obviously, in any reality, whether I suppose you had God as its epicenter or some conglomeration of reason, which is what the atheist and secular perspective is, it's not God that makes things right or wrong.

00:47:37.000 That's their position, not mine.

00:47:39.000 Our collective reason makes things right or wrong, but you know, collective reason would probably help us arrive at murder being wrong and rape being wrong, and all those things would be regarded as wrong.

00:47:50.000 The challenge comes, I think, when the state is an instrument of and aligned with other sets of powers, and you retrospectively, and what I mean by retrospectively is 25 or 30 years or 15 years or 20 years later, look at a consensual act which was immoral and wrong because.

00:48:11.000 One person in this case, me, should have known better and should have done better and shouldn't have been going around sleeping with people just because I'm super famous, right?

00:48:20.000 I was super famous.

00:48:22.000 But if some time down the line, 20 years later, 15 years later, 30 years later, someone says, actually, in retrospect, after watching this documentary that's made by the subject's worst enemies that actually have a vested interest in destroying the reputation of anyone in the public eye that's an opponent of get this mainstream media, just even if you left it at that.

00:48:46.000 Let's continue their government, big pharma, etc.

00:48:50.000 They can't make an objective documentary.

00:48:52.000 Burger King can't make an objective documentary.

00:48:55.000 If your Burger King made a documentary called This Is Why I Hate Big Macs, they've got poo in them, like you'd go, Well, if that's true, I'm not going to eat McDonald's ever again.

00:49:05.000 And by the way, I've heard people say that there's a lot worse things in McDonald's.

00:49:07.000 Have you heard that, Jake?

00:49:08.000 There's terrible conspiracy theories out there, and I don't even want to repeat them because if they are true, it's too much.

00:49:13.000 But you'd want to check the source of the information.

00:49:18.000 You'd want to check the source of the information.

00:49:20.000 Anyway, why it's good with Megyn Kelly is even though she's sort of now a countercultural figure, i.e., she's not in the master culture, the dominator empire culture, she's an on, you might call her a, I don't know, what they call it, alternative media, but now alternative media is not alternative enough for some.

00:49:38.000 Some people say that areas of it have been captured and are controlled and all of that.

00:49:41.000 She's still a person that's, I would say, she interrogated me.

00:49:46.000 She interrogated me.

00:49:49.000 And like it, Sort of made me confront a reality that I don't like confronting.

00:49:54.000 I feel very sad about all of this stuff because, you know, my enemy is not like a bit like I wish I could be in a position of neutrality and therefore benevolence when it comes to vulnerable women being exploited.

00:50:07.000 But as the person that exploited those vulnerable women, I'm at something of a disadvantage, particularly when there are claims that not only did you exploit them by sleeping with people who sleep with famous people after only knowing them for 25 seconds, say, right, that's an exploitation on my part.

00:50:27.000 No, we want to upgrade that.

00:50:28.000 We're just going to click the dial on from exploitation into coercion.

00:50:33.000 Coercion is different. 0.92

00:50:34.000 Coercion, that's a real crime. 0.86

00:50:36.000 That's violence.

00:50:37.000 That's a violation.

00:50:38.000 We all know what that looks like.

00:50:39.000 We all know what it feels like.

00:50:40.000 We all know what that is.

00:50:40.000 We know what the word for it is.

00:50:41.000 It's rape.

00:50:43.000 And that is, I say, a cataclysmic, catastrophic, terrible, terrible thing to do.

00:50:52.000 So it was kind of good to Thugman and Kelly because she weren't afraid to get into it, you know?

00:50:56.000 She wasn't afraid to get into it.

00:50:58.000 Also, in the conversation, she asked me about Katy Perry, and it was pretty funny.

00:51:03.000 I hope I was respectful to Katy Perry because why not be respectful and loving to, especially to someone that you've really loved before?

00:51:11.000 So have a look at that.

00:51:12.000 And speaking of Katy Perry, hold on. 1.00

00:51:14.000 That was pretty skillful. 1.00

00:51:16.000 Come on, Ann. 1.00

00:51:17.000 Go on.

00:51:17.000 Well, I wonder.

00:51:18.000 Because I've met Doug now and I like him.

00:51:20.000 Yeah.

00:51:21.000 I'm going to read them books of Doug.

00:51:22.000 I think you'll really enjoy them.

00:51:23.000 Historical novelist.

00:51:24.000 Plus, he's double handsome.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, right?

00:51:26.000 Double Dutch handsome, you said. 1.00

00:51:27.000 He looks like a Dutch.

00:51:28.000 He looks like a Dutch. 0.93

00:51:29.000 He is Dutch and he looks Dutch.

00:51:31.000 He's tall.

00:51:32.000 He's got the wide set eyes.

00:51:33.000 He's got the angular face. 1.00

00:51:34.000 Touch that Dutch. 1.00

00:51:35.000 Now, check first. 1.00

00:51:38.000 Don't put them clogs on without asking. 1.00

00:51:40.000 Don't you put that finger in that dike without asking. 1.00

00:51:42.000 Don't you spin them windmills without. 1.00

00:51:44.000 Don't you go to that Anne Frank Museum? 1.00

00:51:46.000 Who talked about a finger in a dike? 1.00

00:51:47.000 That's a that story. 1.00

00:51:48.000 I'm just kidding.

00:51:49.000 Sorry.

00:51:50.000 Sorry.

00:51:50.000 Gotta be careful these days.

00:51:51.000 I went with it.

00:51:53.000 Although, look about where you're going to go and you'll see a double joke.

00:51:56.000 Because you're going to go back to your subject.

00:51:59.000 Yes.

00:51:59.000 Right.

00:51:59.000 And the last thing I said was finger in a dike.

00:52:01.000 Oh, that's true. 0.99

00:52:01.000 You're not going to say. 0.99

00:52:02.000 Okay. 0.80

00:52:02.000 So, well, what is it like to have your ex wife dating Dyke Justin Trudeau? 0.80

00:52:08.000 I've put up with a lot with that ex wife of mine, but you took it too far, KP, with Trudeau. 0.90

00:52:15.000 Orlando Bloom.

00:52:16.000 Yeah, respectable.

00:52:17.000 Legolas.

00:52:18.000 I love that guy.

00:52:19.000 Yeah.

00:52:20.000 Brilliant.

00:52:20.000 Good for him.

00:52:21.000 Trudeau, though.

00:52:23.000 Potentially Fidel Castro's spawn.

00:52:25.000 No.

00:52:26.000 There we draw the line.

00:52:27.000 It's horrible.

00:52:28.000 Trudeau.

00:52:28.000 I did not like that Trudeau because, no, he's a son of God and he's beloved.

00:52:32.000 But what I will say is I didn't like it when he was having a go at them truckers.

00:52:35.000 I didn't like they kept blacking up inexplicably and then sort of pretending to be ultra woke.

00:52:39.000 Does have fantastic hair.

00:52:40.000 I didn't like it when they invited an actual Nazi into the Canadian parliament. 0.80

00:52:45.000 Yes, they did. 0.82

00:52:46.000 I specifically don't like what is typified by those good looking politicians Obama, Macron, Blair.

00:52:53.000 They're sort of good looking and they're charming.

00:52:55.000 But you think, who do you work for really?

00:52:58.000 Who's running this?

00:52:58.000 Because it can't be you.

00:53:00.000 And I don't like that sort of pose of compassion that's absolutely undergirded by selfishness, probably because I recognise it myself.

00:53:06.000 I'm so selfish sometimes.

00:53:07.000 But I don't like that.

00:53:09.000 The trucker bit's what got me.

00:53:10.000 They called them Nazis. 0.99

00:53:12.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous. 0.96

00:53:12.000 They were just being sort of. 0.96

00:53:13.000 Bold and brave and stuff.

00:53:15.000 So, yes, is she still going out with him?

00:53:17.000 Yeah.

00:53:18.000 We checked this morning and it appears that they are still together.

00:53:20.000 Keep checking.

00:53:22.000 She could come to her senses any minute.

00:53:25.000 It is disappointing, isn't it, when your ex gets together with somebody who doesn't make you look good at all, doesn't increase the average at all.

00:53:32.000 Look at the category I'm in now.

00:53:33.000 I'm in with Trudeau.

00:53:36.000 It'll be a relief to be in a rape trial.

00:53:38.000 See? 1.00

00:53:40.000 Phew.

00:53:42.000 Never lose your sense of humor.

00:53:44.000 Not even about the darkest things.

00:53:45.000 Don't take that away from your baby.

00:53:46.000 Do you guys keep in touch?

00:53:47.000 She said you never contacted her again after you sent her a note saying you wanted a divorce. 0.67

00:53:53.000 Look, that is true.

00:53:54.000 Wow.

00:53:56.000 Never anything, not a text?

00:53:58.000 I stay in touch with her father, Keith, and her mother, Mary, because they're good Christian folks.

00:54:04.000 And I must say, I feel a good deal of sympathy with the recent allegations around Katie. 0.94

00:54:10.000 She's been accused of sexually assaulting Ruby Rose by allegedly exposing her vag to this gal's face.

00:54:17.000 Uh, she's denied, but there's a criminal inquiry underway in Australia as a result of these allegations.

00:54:22.000 To me, that doesn't mean this is probably the old school man in me.

00:54:25.000 I don't, I don't even hear the crime there.

00:54:29.000 What happened?

00:54:30.000 I don't even, I can't even hear where it is.

00:54:32.000 Like someone would have to poke me with a stick.

00:54:33.000 There, that's the bit.

00:54:34.000 There's a crime. 1.00

00:54:35.000 Ah, no, no 20 year old girl wants another woman rubbing her badge on her face uninvited. 1.00

00:54:41.000 That's the crime.

00:54:42.000 There it is, Russell.

00:54:43.000 I got it.

00:54:43.000 I got you.

00:54:44.000 I got you.

00:54:44.000 Okay, you available for the trial?

00:54:46.000 The Tucker's coming.

00:54:48.000 Yes, I will come.

00:54:49.000 Thank you.

00:54:50.000 Is she, um, She denies, again, Katie Fury denies.

00:54:53.000 I didn't handle that marriage very well.

00:54:54.000 I can see in retrospect absolutely what the problem was.

00:54:56.000 In fact, I explained that in the book.

00:54:57.000 What it was was.

00:54:57.000 Well, you said you were married to a celebrity itself.

00:55:00.000 I worked it out.

00:55:01.000 So, how so?

00:55:02.000 Well, because I, you know, look, when you fall in love with someone, like, isn't it amazing to be in love?

00:55:07.000 Isn't it so amazing?

00:55:08.000 Well, imagine that sort of compounded with everyone else acting like it's important.

00:55:13.000 It's like, oh my God, this is a woman.

00:55:14.000 Plus, she's a really lovely, you know what there is about her? 0.96

00:55:19.000 She has an innocence.

00:55:20.000 She's a very beautiful person.

00:55:22.000 She's also incredibly driven and worked really, really hard.

00:55:25.000 I saw her working really, really hard.

00:55:27.000 Here's me taking total responsibility for all the mistakes I made in that marriage.

00:55:31.000 I like wanted to grab her, like, a kind of, there.

00:55:34.000 Got it.

00:55:35.000 You know, like I wanted, I felt like I was inadequate and not enough on my own.

00:55:39.000 So I saw this big, glorious thing.

00:55:41.000 And even though I knew her as a person as well, and supposedly she was a normal person, like everyone's a normal person. 0.99

00:55:45.000 You've been around famous people, you know, who's famous when it comes to shower time, picking your nose, scratching your ass? 0.93

00:55:51.000 Like everyone just breaks down into mundanity and flesh and fallenness in the end. 0.96

00:55:55.000 But she was really, really, really, really lovely.

00:55:58.000 But it was my fault because I pushed to get married early because I felt inadequate and insecure and like I wasn't enough.

00:56:04.000 And if I was married to her, That I would somehow be a better person and more important.

00:56:09.000 And that put her under an unnecessary amount of pressure and strain.

00:56:13.000 And then, when she was unable, as a very young woman, like she was 25 or 26, she was young herself there, she couldn't fulfill those obligations because she was quite rightly, one might argue, certainly from a materialist and humanistic and celebrity oriented perspective, pursuing her dream, which she successfully did, of becoming the world's most famous pop star.

00:56:31.000 And when she was doing that, I was in sort of a crisis of like, hold on a minute, I'm lonely and this isn't working.

00:56:38.000 This isn't working.

00:56:39.000 Why do I not feel we've married a pop star?

00:56:41.000 I did it.

00:56:42.000 Come on.

00:56:44.000 Why is this not working?

00:56:46.000 So, do you feel like if she weren't a celebrity, it could have worked? 0.71

00:56:50.000 Probably not, because I was fated to marry my incredible wife, Laura Brand, who is sort of who I already knew and had already married.

00:56:58.000 But I didn't learn the lesson then. 0.78

00:56:59.000 I went on to go with Jemima Khan, who was married to the now jailed former leader of Pakistan, who went out to grant a bunch.

00:57:06.000 She's like a billionaire and glorious. 0.96

00:57:09.000 Amazing hair and a 300 acre estate and riches. 0.80

00:57:13.000 And I thought, yes, yes, this.

00:57:15.000 Then I will be okay.

00:57:16.000 Yes, that's it.

00:57:17.000 I got some of the details wrong.

00:57:18.000 It wasn't American pop star, it was British aristocrat.

00:57:21.000 And then, of course, once again, she's a human being and I'd, in my own foolish way, objectified her.

00:57:26.000 So I had to learn that lesson.

00:57:28.000 Finally, I think now I have learned don't try to take things from people, just leave people alone, be happy in your marriage and serve God. 0.99

00:57:39.000 As best you can, and remember you're going to forget that all the time like an idiot and go back to thinking life's about you. 0.98

00:57:44.000 But then you're now hopefully a part of a community. 1.00

00:57:46.000 See Jake there who's with me.

00:57:47.000 I have people around me now who are following God in their own broken way, and I just can look at them how they're doing it, you know.

00:57:53.000 It's good to Piers Morgan right now, but the revolving door is too good a metaphor to pass up.

00:58:00.000 Hi, Piers.

00:58:02.000 It's Jake.

00:58:02.000 It's Jake, yes, sir.

00:58:04.000 You're live today?

00:58:04.000 I'm not late, am I?

00:58:06.000 Don't you find me?

00:58:08.000 Sometimes I can't tell.

00:58:10.000 Yeah.

00:58:10.000 I'm freed off other people's faces.

00:58:12.000 There's no problem.

00:58:14.000 It's the first time we've used this studio.

00:58:16.000 It's the AP studio here.

00:58:19.000 It's quite a nice setup, isn't it?

00:58:23.000 I would like to talk about what you want to talk about in advance if you're open to.

00:58:28.000 Sure, but I'd rather not do it.

00:58:34.000 Well, I hope you've enjoyed my trip to New York as much as I have, which has been a bit.

00:58:39.000 I've enjoyed it a bit.

00:58:40.000 Like, once I.

00:58:41.000 That guy from Flight of the Concourse, you remember them?

00:58:43.000 He's called Jermaine Clement, right?

00:58:46.000 I met him one time and I go, Do you want to come on my radio show?

00:58:49.000 I had a radio show then, it's when I was in the mainstream.

00:58:51.000 He went, Yeah, yeah.

00:58:52.000 And I saw him a couple of weeks later and he'd not text me back or anything.

00:58:54.000 I was like, Hey, do you want to come on a radio show?

00:58:56.000 He went, Yeah, yes, yes, I do.

00:58:58.000 And he still didn't come on.

00:59:00.000 I saw about a week later.

00:59:01.000 I go, Do you want to come on my radio show?

00:59:03.000 He went, Yes.

00:59:03.000 I go, What?

00:59:04.000 But just not that much?

00:59:05.000 He went, Yes, yes, just not that much.

00:59:09.000 Hope you've enjoyed this extraordinary show.

00:59:14.000 Potentially you saw a conversation with Piers Morgan, a conversation with Megyn Kelly, us loose in the streets of New York City.

00:59:21.000 Prayer, meditation, literature, philosophy, theology, all of theologies.

00:59:26.000 Join us on Wednesday, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

00:59:29.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - April 27, 2026

What Really Happened in New York… Off Camera — SF709

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