Stay Free - Russel Brand - What The Media Refuses to Admit About Karmelo Anthony... - SF729

00:00:08.000 Russell Brand, controversial conspiracy theorist.

00:00:11.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:21.000 We're still alive, aren't we?

00:00:23.000 We're doing okay. 0.99

00:00:24.000 In fact, we're beginning to thrive as we reach this critical moment in human history where technology and idiocy combine to create, well, idiocracy would be the film. 0.97

00:00:34.000 And we finally, do we awaken at the last possible moment?

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00:00:52.000 Let's use that free speech to love on one another, shall we?

00:00:56.000 I'm here with Jake, the producer of the show.

00:00:58.000 You all right there, Jake?

00:00:59.000 I'm doing so good.

00:01:00.000 Yeah, you look good.

00:01:01.000 And Massey Radfar's there.

00:01:02.000 I'm going to say there, I don't know exactly where he is.

00:01:04.000 No one knows where or why he is.

00:01:08.000 In a minute, we're going to be talking about Carmelo Anthony.

00:01:12.000 And a little later in the show, we'll have a guest that will be giving you rare and powerful insights into the issues you care about most.

00:01:19.000 I'll tell you more about it at the moment.

00:01:21.000 I don't want to get you too excited about it just yet.

00:01:23.000 It's the truth of the matter. 0.98

00:01:25.000 Now, listen, your country and mine are beset and torn apart with racially oriented stories. 0.90

00:01:32.000 What does it indicate?

00:01:32.000 What does it mean?

00:01:34.000 Does it mean that we're on the brink of some terrible, terrible civil disruption?

00:01:38.000 I'm in the midst of watching Ken Burns' Civil War, and I can tell you, man.

00:01:43.000 We don't want a civil war in the UK or the United States.

00:01:46.000 What we want is a revolution, decentralization, and for you to be free.

00:01:50.000 Free of the illusion that any political party can do anything other than foster hatred and exploit you for the benefit of global elites.

00:01:59.000 For now, though, let's focus on the story about Kamalo Anthony being found guilty after that murder.

00:02:08.000 Tonight, emotions boiling over outside the courthouse.

00:02:10.000 Protesters in each other's faces, some openly weeping.

00:02:17.000 And for others, relief.

00:02:19.000 Example, that one.

00:02:20.000 She was openly weeping.

00:02:21.000 I saw her there in the sun hat, openly weeping.

00:02:25.000 The problem is, and I really hope we can get through this whole item without doing it ourselves, is that every news story these days gets utilized to amplify or diminish a particular political or social message, doesn't it?

00:02:40.000 In this instance, supporters of Carmelo Anthony will say that he's.

00:02:49.000 Racial identity should in some way mitigate his actions, and other people will use his racial identity to further condemn him.

00:02:59.000 None of us can claim to have access to the mind of God, although actually, we could have access to the mind of God if we were willing to surrender self and to get out of our obsession with what we're afraid of and what we want.

00:03:10.000 But that's a complicated, somewhat simple in some ways, but complicated idea until you're invited into it.

00:03:16.000 If you get Rumble Premium, I'll explain that to you in more detail and more depth.

00:03:21.000 The access to the living water is Present now, you can do it.

00:03:24.000 It's not just these rose tinted glasses that are giving me that perspective.

00:03:27.000 It's not just this fantastic book, How to Become Christian in Seven Days, available now if you want it from Amazon and free as an audiobook.

00:03:35.000 Click the link in the description and you can listen to it as you read it.

00:03:40.000 It's not just that.

00:03:41.000 It's my assertion that the culture can never fulfill you.

00:03:44.000 The culture can never fulfill you.

00:03:46.000 Someone has been stabbed to death, someone was wielding the knife.

00:03:49.000 There are always circumstances that lead to someone undertaking an action.

00:03:52.000 There are always conditions that you could either amplify or diminish.

00:03:56.000 Let's see what happens in the rest of this news report.

00:03:58.000 For others, relief that justice was served.

00:04:01.000 You think this is justice for Austin?

00:04:03.000 I believe so.

00:04:04.000 As a Texas jury finds 19 year old Carmelo Anthony guilty of murder for stabbing 17 year old Austin Metcalf at a high school track meet last year.

00:04:17.000 Numerous witnesses said Anthony instigated the confrontation.

00:04:21.000 The prosecution calling his actions unjustified and intentional, telling the jury, You don't get to meet a shove with a stab, especially if you provoke the shove.

00:04:31.000 In closing arguments Tuesday, the defense again tried to portray Metcalf.

00:04:35.000 Kath as the aggressor, that he made physical contact first, and Anthony defended himself in a split second of chaos.

00:04:42.000 What was it like?

00:04:44.000 What was it like when the verdict was read? 0.75

00:04:46.000 I feel like it was designed to protect white people, the system, and it was not designed to protect black people.

00:04:54.000 It's self defense. 0.60

00:04:55.000 Supporters of Anthony have raised concerns for a fair trial after no black people were seated on the jury.

00:05:01.000 Inside the courtroom, tears from both families.

00:05:05.000 Terrible shame that the distinctions can be drawn along lines of color, isn't it?

00:05:09.000 After all of these years, it's such a terrible shame that the absence of black people on the jury would immediately indicate that there can't be justice. 0.69

00:05:19.000 It's such a deep concern that there aren't other forms of measurement, spiritual categories, or justice and truth themselves, that all of them things are absented in favor of an identity connected to the color of your skin.

00:05:34.000 It's a shame that the African American population feel such total dismay.

00:05:42.000 And dismay and distrust in the system that they think that the absence of black people means that they're not going to get a fair trial. 0.97

00:05:48.000 The thing is, I completely agree with them when they say that the institutions of justice have likely been corrupted.

00:05:54.000 I completely agree with them when they say it's difficult to get a fair trial.

00:05:59.000 I suppose where I see things differently, not just because I'm literally wearing rose colored glasses, is that we're continuing to benefit that system when we divide along racial, religious, or ideological lines as we continue to express.

00:06:15.000 Understandable emotions, even if this isn't a case that's, um, even if this is a straightforward, well, you're not supposed to stab people kind of case, even if this is your perspective on that, isn't it a shame that it comes into an environment of so much tension and so much agitation that it becomes a talking point and a contention point?

00:06:40.000 I think it shows how far we've come from justice and trust and mutual good faith.

00:06:44.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:06:46.000 From both families, Anthony's mother described as weeping.

00:06:50.000 Later, asking the court to please have mercy on my son.

00:06:54.000 One of the things I love about Donald Trump is his wild wit and his ability to insult people.

00:06:58.000 One of the things I'm less fond of is that his presidency has revealed that the true power does not lay in the executive branch of the White House, but is a globalist imperial power ultimately controlled by Satan.

00:07:09.000 However, polymarkets, well, they might let you bet on that.

00:07:12.000 But what you can definitely bet on right now is who will Trump insult by June 30?

00:07:17.000 Most people are saying, Jimmy Kimmel.

00:07:20.000 He's up there.

00:07:21.000 Yep, that looks like a good bet.

00:07:23.000 Elon Musk, oh, he's down to the bottom.

00:07:25.000 That's worth a flutter.

00:07:26.000 Keir Starmer, he's getting it.

00:07:27.000 Alex Jones, wow, it's a real mixed bag.

00:07:31.000 Meghan Kelly, Maduro.

00:07:33.000 There was a time where you could predict Rosie O'Donnell.

00:07:36.000 The world's a more complicated place, but Polymarket can handle it.

00:07:36.000 Not anymore.

00:07:39.000 Why don't you have a, what we call in the UK, a little flutter?

00:07:44.000 It's not a sex word.

00:07:45.000 Well, Tom, we can tell you that Anthony was in tears as the jury left to decide his fate.

00:07:50.000 He faces up to 99 years in prison, though his The defense is asking the jury to consider a sudden passion provision that could limit that window to just two to 20 years.

00:07:59.000 For the prosecution's part, they are asking for a lengthy prison sentence, telling the jury nothing you do will take more from Carmelo Anthony and his family than he took from the Metcalfs.

00:08:11.000 Oh, dear, what a terrible, ugly story.

00:08:14.000 And also, isn't it kind of ghoulish that these things become fodder or further contention and discussion and debate?

00:08:22.000 And so much of it's ill intentioned.

00:08:24.000 What I imagine is that 90%, maybe more, let me know in the comments and chat, the people that Prevaricate and pontificate on this subject have a kind of recognized perspective already.

00:08:39.000 Like, this is a person that's going to see this along racial lines and condemn him outright, and condemn his supporters, and say, consider the victim and bang him up for life. 0.89

00:08:49.000 Then there are other people who are like, don't you know that black people have an inclination towards violence? 0.94

00:08:56.000 Like, that everyone will use these objects that lay on the conveyor belt of our dreadful culture to advance their ends. 1.00

00:09:04.000 I suppose here's how I will do that myself.

00:09:07.000 There is no solution in condemnation.

00:09:10.000 There is no condemnation for those that are in Christ.

00:09:12.000 And I don't mean to say that if you commit an act, there aren't consequences, and that those consequences can be, and perhaps one even might say ought be, judicial and criminal and conducted by a court, and that you do need to have a judiciary, and maybe you do need to have law enforcement, but a judiciary and law enforcement system that has no connection to the people over whom it demonstrates power.

00:09:36.000 Can't claim authority and whatever the particularities of this case are.

00:09:40.000 And it does seem like I don't know, man, someone's been stabbed, someone's dead, someone's going to jail for a long time.

00:09:45.000 Tragedy all around, tragedy for everyone.

00:09:47.000 Do you want fries with that?

00:09:49.000 The fact is that you cannot trust these judicial systems, you cannot trust policing.

00:09:56.000 I don't mean that the people that operate in police forces all over your country and mine aren't decent, wholesome, fallen, broken people.

00:10:04.000 I mean to say that you talk to anyone, they're not getting paid enough money, they're working too much overtime, they don't feel that they're respected.

00:10:10.000 They do work in tense conditions.

00:10:12.000 They're not communicated too clearly.

00:10:14.000 They don't understand the nature of their job.

00:10:16.000 Shouldn't a police force actually be protecting and serving its community to a point where you feel so integrated with and connected to a police force that you feel so much that they are your public servants that in situations like this you don't default to whether it's the murder of Henry Novak in custody or death of Henry Novak in custody as a result of murder? 0.60

00:10:34.000 See, this proves everything I've been telling you about migration.

00:10:38.000 Or with the stabbing of the poor lad, Metcalf. 0.67

00:10:42.000 And the inevitable incarceration of Carmelo Annie. 0.96

00:10:45.000 See, America is racist.

00:10:47.000 There's always been racist.

00:10:49.000 I always feel that we get off the train at one station or several stations too early.

00:10:55.000 Stay on the train for a bit longer.

00:10:57.000 Stay off the train before condemnation.

00:11:00.000 Stay on the train before you reach some happy verdict.

00:11:03.000 Yeah, there probably are reasons why he's carrying a knife. 0.99

00:11:07.000 There probably are reasons why young black men feel agitated. 0.99

00:11:10.000 There are certainly good reasons for the victim's family to feel.

00:11:13.000 Incredibly aggrieved.

00:11:15.000 There are reasons why white people and black people and Jewish people and Muslims and Christians all have these harbored and increasing senses of agitation and opposition because these feelings are being fostered.

00:11:28.000 And if we don't start to very deliberately address that, I think we're going to live well, you can't live in constant crisis.

00:11:37.000 The crisis will spill over into something that requires further authoritarianism.

00:11:41.000 That's what it will do.

00:11:43.000 Like if there are mass ups.

00:11:44.000 Uprisings on the street, and that will happen sooner or later, I suppose. 0.52

00:11:47.000 Race war, you know, if you look at people that have operated in this space for longer than me, it does seem to be a preferred tactic, and it is, you know, in your country, especially relevant, I suppose, because of your country's unique history. 0.58

00:12:00.000 It's a tension that America lives with. 0.63

00:12:01.000 Anyway, even the people, the supporters outside, are themselves on the edge of further violence.

00:12:07.000 Check this out.

00:12:09.000 The judge, as well, in this case, said it was not a case about race, but you cannot deny that just the facts of the case and what we've seen play out since then and what we're watching happening now is. 0.77

00:12:21.000 Because the defendant is black, the victim is white, and that's the bottom line. 0.53

00:12:29.000 But again, this is what I alluded to when I said this has brought out what's bubbling right beneath the surface.

00:12:37.000 All of those people are men and women that Christ died for.

00:12:43.000 And with the edict or guidance or condition or commandment love your enemy, love your enemy.

00:12:56.000 Is anyone in this conversation or willing to do that, get to that point?

00:13:01.000 Or does everyone want to continue to double down on their position?

00:13:05.000 Here's what I think anyway, and here's some evidence for why I should continue to think this and indeed amplify these feelings.

00:13:12.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

00:13:14.000 Although it does turn out that that gentleman was carrying a weapon.

00:13:19.000 Here, a Carmelo Anthony supporter asks, What do I tell my sons?

00:13:24.000 Let's see if we can regard this with some compassion.

00:13:26.000 Let's have a look.

00:13:28.000 What do you want us to do?

00:13:30.000 What do you want us to do at this point?

00:13:32.000 What?

00:13:32.000 I'm lost for work.

00:13:34.000 I don't know what to do.

00:13:35.000 I got five boys.

00:13:37.000 I don't know what.

00:13:37.000 I ain't got nothing to tell them no more.

00:13:39.000 You can't walk away no more.

00:13:41.000 Rest in peace, Trayvon Martin.

00:13:43.000 Let me ask you this right now.

00:13:46.000 I see.

00:13:48.000 See him saying, rest in peace, Trayvon Martin.

00:13:48.000 Right.

00:13:51.000 Right.

00:13:52.000 I understand.

00:13:53.000 So for an African American community that feels long persecuted or that is carrying the trauma.

00:14:01.000 Of slavery and Jim Crow, these trials, these rituals, these public events become a kind of catharsis and process through which they're re traumatized and re experience the many historic grievances inflicted upon them.

00:14:23.000 I pray not by people that are alive now, but by a system that continues to abide.

00:14:29.000 Until we see one another as brothers and sisters persecuted by the same system of fallenness, both.

00:14:36.000 Inner and outer, the outer systems of government and control and media merely being the expression of fallenness.

00:14:44.000 What I mean by that scripturally is the evil one is in control of this world.

00:14:49.000 And what does the evil one want?

00:14:51.000 Conflict, hatred, loathing.

00:14:54.000 Whether you believe in scripture or not, just as a thought experiment, envisage a spirit of pure evil embodied, personified.

00:15:03.000 How his revelry would increase watching these scenes unfold.

00:15:09.000 Further dissent, further concern, further threats and hatred and ugliness.

00:15:16.000 We're all on the Titanic.

00:15:18.000 We're all going down.

00:15:20.000 Stowage, first class, captain and crew.

00:15:24.000 What we must recognize is that without a shared awakening, in which we all actually do need one another, we do need one another.

00:15:34.000 See, forgiveness is super important, hey?

00:15:36.000 Do you know that that's why he died?

00:15:38.000 He died that we may be forgiven.

00:15:40.000 And you like, I love the joke by Doug Stanhope.

00:15:42.000 I quote in this book actually, link in the description.

00:15:45.000 You can get it for free if you don't want to pay for it.

00:15:48.000 You know, died for my sins.

00:15:49.000 What does that even mean?

00:15:51.000 How does the one affect the other?

00:15:52.000 Like, I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage.

00:15:55.000 I love that joke of Doug Stanhope.

00:15:59.000 But what I feel is that forgiveness, when you don't feel forgiveness in your heart, it might be from like, who's hurt you most in the world?

00:16:07.000 Is it probably one of the people you love most in the world?

00:16:09.000 Is it a father that couldn't deliver?

00:16:11.000 A child that's let you down, a lover that broke your heart, I don't know.

00:16:16.000 Until you can arrive at forgiveness for that person, you will continue to suffer.

00:16:24.000 You cannot hold on to this hatred and pain.

00:16:27.000 What my prayer would be is that forgiveness can be found for all of the people involved in this.

00:16:34.000 And you can see how it spirals outwards from the victim and the victim's family to the perpetrator and the perpetrator's family to people that have taken sides on racial or cultural lines.

00:16:45.000 And he, our Lord, he that was without sin, meaning like the perfect principle, the potentiality of perfection, took flesh, took on a body and lived perfectly.

00:16:56.000 And then in a way that's difficult to understand, in the same way I suppose that quantum physics is difficult to understand, in the same way that actually even quite simple things like, for me, carpentry and electricity and Wi-Fi are difficult to understand, this taking on of sin somehow reset, rebooted the system and granted us the possibility of participating if we are willing to forgive in a state of forgiveness.

00:17:17.000 The forgiveness project, it was a UK art endeavour that I once went to an exhibition.

00:17:22.000 Obviously, if you can find any materials to illustrate it, Massey, the Forgiveness Project, I think it was called.

00:17:27.000 It included people that died as a result of terrorism and gang violence and told the stories of how, for example, the mother of a man murdered by a guy became friends with him, visited him in prison without forgiveness, without the capacity of forgiveness, without the value of forgiveness, without even acknowledging forgiveness as a necessary part of justice.

00:17:47.000 Because, you know, i.e., if you believe in justice, you mean that you believe that there is an absolute standard.

00:17:53.000 Otherwise, you can't have justice.

00:17:54.000 All you can have is argument.

00:17:58.000 I'm better at arguing, and therefore justice will be what I tell you it is.

00:18:03.000 If you believe in the objective idea of justice, you're saying that there's an absolute principle, an absolute adjudicator, an absolute king, absolute right, absolute righteousness.

00:18:11.000 So whether you imagine that as Jesus or believe as Jesus or it's just some abstract thing, some numbers or blockchain, I don't know that that matters, particularly the avatar that you use in your mind when you're believing in justice.

00:18:25.000 And everyone there believes in justice, and everyone that's talking about it online believes in justice.

00:18:29.000 Otherwise, they'll be like, hey, nothing means anything.

00:18:30.000 Everyone would just be sat passively, like, oh, it doesn't matter.

00:18:34.000 Can I have a Dorito?

00:18:35.000 But people aren't doing that, are they?

00:18:36.000 They're enraged because they believe in justice.

00:18:39.000 They envisage it as justice of the cross or justice of reason or post enlightenment rationale, however you want to frame it.

00:18:45.000 They believe in justice.

00:18:46.000 So if you believe in justice, consider forgiveness.

00:18:51.000 Consider forgiveness a value that may carry us further than vengeance.

00:18:59.000 Vengeance was the old law.

00:19:00.000 You have wronged me. 1.00

00:19:01.000 I'm going to kill you. 1.00

00:19:02.000 And I don't care about the consequences. 0.99

00:19:05.000 The problem is, as we know and experience and live with nationally, internationally, locally, and interpersonally, without forgiveness, nothing ever ends.

00:19:13.000 You live in endless pain.

00:19:14.000 You don't think people have forgiven worse things than that.

00:19:16.000 They have.

00:19:17.000 They have, and they have to.

00:19:19.000 And furthermore, if like me, you believe in Jesus, you have been forgiven.

00:19:24.000 For all the things you've done, and all the while you're ranting and raving about this terrible, awful crime young man dead, young man in jail.

00:19:31.000 You're probably not spending the time that you need to spend looking at yourself and how you participate in less dramatic, but perhaps in the end, ultimately for you, significant ways of transgressing against others, hurting others, and not loving others.

00:19:53.000 Even this example that someone shared with me recently in the book of Kings, there, Saul, the first king of the Israeli people.

00:20:01.000 He pissed God off pretty early with what seemed like a pretty minor grievance.

00:20:05.000 He didn't follow a battle plan.

00:20:07.000 David, his successor, pissed off God in a bunch of ways.

00:20:12.000 The difference was that Saul's sin revealed his true nature of disobedience.

00:20:19.000 His disobedience revealed his lack of connection to God.

00:20:23.000 And David, while like us, a broken man, a prophet, and a king, he abided in God and with God.

00:20:31.000 And tried his best to stay with God.

00:20:33.000 None of us can do that perfectly.

00:20:35.000 All of us can do our best, and collectively, we actually can do it.

00:20:38.000 So, my prayer is that somehow this is resolved and that the Henry Novak's family receive also the comfort that they need.

00:20:47.000 The fellow that's getting beheaded over there in Ireland or getting chopped up, you know, and the many people of a variety of colours in a variety of places that are experiencing violence and perpetrating violence recognize the futility of their fallen condition, and perhaps more importantly than that, The way that their actions continue to benefit a fallen system that wants us in this state of total conflict, total illusion, total despair, total ugliness, total illusion.

00:21:15.000 That's just what I think. 0.93

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00:22:38.000 Every Sunday me and my wife Laura do Sunday service with the brands.

00:22:43.000 Have a look at this Does not wisdom call out?

00:22:54.000 Well, not when it comes to animals.

00:22:55.000 We are not, we just can't stop.

00:22:57.000 Wisdom, are you calling out?

00:22:58.000 I've got nothing to say on this.

00:22:59.000 Get more rabbits, get another tortoise, get some kittens.

00:23:02.000 Yeah.

00:23:02.000 Because we took all the animals.

00:23:03.000 We took a tortoise, two rabbits, two kittens, and a dachshund in that van with us.

00:23:07.000 I mean, so there's kittens, me and I.

00:23:08.000 That was crazy.

00:23:09.000 It was crazy.

00:23:10.000 But, you know, it's also life and it was a spirit of joy and adventure, wasn't it?

00:23:15.000 And we were trying to create, create or generate a sense of togetherness and family and.

00:23:23.000 Joy because this was making our kids very happy at a time where we knew we were going to do like a lengthy hospital trip with overnight stays and trying to, I suppose we were trying to anchor, you know, and that's okay.

00:23:36.000 But yeah, love life, love the life that you have.

00:23:39.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:23:40.000 Like I think I said to you when we were like, we had this conversation, should we take all the animals?

00:23:44.000 And I said to you, and I said, well, I suppose like, what's the point in having the animals if you're not just going to have them with you, like living?

00:23:50.000 That is actually kind of also crazy, but we would draw the line.

00:23:54.000 We don't take them on airplanes and stuff, but.

00:23:56.000 It was good.

00:23:57.000 It worked.

00:23:58.000 You're not allowed to take them on airplanes.

00:24:00.000 Well, you can actually.

00:24:02.000 Just put them little badges on them, pretend it's a service animal.

00:24:04.000 Put them in a certain, you know, I noticed the other day I tried to buy a carrier for one of the animals and it said TSA approved.

00:24:12.000 Right.

00:24:13.000 Yeah.

00:24:13.000 So it could be a small dog or a small.

00:24:15.000 And anything could be a service animal.

00:24:16.000 You can have a service tortoise.

00:24:17.000 It's not just dogs.

00:24:18.000 You can say.

00:24:19.000 I think so.

00:24:19.000 I did consider Herbie really, really loves the animals.

00:24:24.000 I would just simply say they're his service animals because they're serving him when he's going through the stresses of the hospital.

00:24:31.000 He's like a service St. Francis of Assisi.

00:24:34.000 He's got to have butterflies, rabbits, cats, reptiles.

00:24:38.000 He's got to have the whole lot.

00:24:48.000 Please listen to it on audio.

00:24:50.000 It's really nice on audio.

00:24:51.000 And my wife, lovely.

00:24:52.000 What a blessed man I am.

00:24:54.000 Fantastic stuff.

00:24:55.000 Okay, we've got a brief interview now, but whatever I tell you about the guest is as nothing compared to this.

00:25:04.000 Check it out.

00:25:05.000 I'm about to tell you a story that is going to absolutely piss off a lot of people in the United States of America.

00:25:11.000 Mel Carmine is an entrepreneur, filmmaker, and podcast host whose work spans independent media, emerging technologies, and alternative financial systems.

00:25:20.000 Born in Sicily and raised in New Jersey, he built businesses from an early age before moving into media, where he developed an audience discussing subjects ranging from digital currencies and financial sovereignty to censorship, free speech, and government power.

00:25:35.000 Through documentaries, including Dear Mr. President and Show Me the Money, as well as his podcast, live events, and educational platforms, he encourages people to question established narratives and explore how technology, finance, and individual liberty may shape the future.

00:25:51.000 Mel, thanks so much for joining us today on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:25:57.000 It's my pleasure, brother.

00:25:58.000 I can't believe I'm actually talking to you.

00:26:00.000 Yeah, I'm excited to be talking to you as well because we're friends, both of us, with Joby.

00:26:05.000 Joby, that man in chains for God.

00:26:08.000 Maybe we can start there because you're a filmmaker and, in a sense, you're an agitator and a provocateur.

00:26:15.000 But like Joby, you know a great deal more than I do about the way that finance and, in particular, blockchain currencies are going to be.

00:26:26.000 Impactful in the coming years.

00:26:29.000 Given that Joby Weeks is our common connection, can you tell me about what your relationship with him is and was?

00:26:37.000 I met Joby a long time ago.

00:26:37.000 Sure.

00:26:39.000 I was living in Costa Rica.

00:26:41.000 I was working with Bradley Lockerman, who's a movie actor, who I didn't even know he was actually a movie actor.

00:26:50.000 I learned that from Joby.

00:26:51.000 He said, You know, the guy that you introduced me to that's in charge with John Searle, who invented a magnetic motor, who's from your neck of the woods.

00:27:01.000 S E A R L, John Searle, S E A R L. Look him up.

00:27:04.000 He's amazing. 0.99

00:27:05.000 He's dead now, unfortunately.

00:27:06.000 He said, Do you know that that guy is an actor?

00:27:09.000 I said, What are you talking about?

00:27:10.000 I've known Bradley Lockerman for years.

00:27:13.000 He's not a, he's no actor.

00:27:14.000 So I called him, you know, out of the blue.

00:27:16.000 I said, Bradley, are you an actor?

00:27:19.000 He said, Yeah, I just don't tell anybody about it.

00:27:22.000 I'm not really too fond of Hollywood, that kind of stuff.

00:27:25.000 And so with that, basically, I was the guy that was supposed to make his $10 million a month electric bill disappear.

00:27:33.000 And then he was going to an event with Tony Robbins, and these guys were on his tail.

00:27:40.000 Obviously, there's obviously some unwritten laws in the United States and probably all over the world that you can't create wealth for a lot of little people and create a lot of wealth for yourself in the interim because they just don't want the little guys like me and you, I guess, to have power.

00:27:55.000 But the power is going to switch at some point.

00:27:58.000 There's no doubt in my mind that it's going to switch.

00:28:02.000 Spoke to him, Mel.

00:28:04.000 What I felt was he's a person that, because of his entrepreneurialism, his early adaptation to Bitcoin technology and recognizing that Bitcoin mining was going to generate a lot of revenue, hence his $10 million a month electric bill, hence the billions generated, and the fact that his company, the company that he was associated with at least, was growing at the same rate as Facebook and Amazon in the early online days.

00:28:29.000 Much of this information is available in Mickey Willis's brilliant film.

00:28:34.000 There's a link to that in the description.

00:28:34.000 Free Joby.

00:28:36.000 You can check that out.

00:28:37.000 Joby's real crime was he realized how much money could be generated through Bitcoin mining quicker than the people that want to slow the progress of digital currencies until they can discredit them, control them, and have their own digital currencies.

00:28:53.000 Now, a lot of your work, it seems to me, Mel, is focused on what a lot of our audience are interested in the way that now centralized systems are struggling.

00:29:06.000 To maintain centralized control because of decentralizing tech, whether that's independent news media, the possibility to get information out without it having to go through the filters of what we would call mainstream media.

00:29:22.000 That doesn't mean that information is always good, but it does mean that it's not controlled in the way that centralized authority would prefer it to be.

00:29:29.000 Or when it comes to the matter of digital currency, centralized banks and brokerage systems are no longer required in the same way because we can trade directly with one another.

00:29:40.000 Anonymously.

00:29:41.000 That is the antithesis of what they want centralized control of information, centralized control of trade.

00:29:47.000 Hence the scriptural prophetic talk of bearing the mark on the right hand or probably a chip under the skin and bearing the mark on the forehead.

00:29:57.000 Now, you, like me, I think, see us as being in a kind of end time moment, don't you, Mel?

00:30:04.000 What appears to be happening is that, like your film Straw Man, for example, covers the idea that we exist both as a spiritual entity made in the image of God.

00:30:13.000 But also as a legal entity, somewhat owned by the government.

00:30:16.000 Can you explain to me what you mean by that straw man idea in the context of your film?

00:30:22.000 Yeah, sure.

00:30:23.000 Well, straw man, when you're born, they ink the bottom of your feet.

00:30:27.000 They give you an all caps name.

00:30:28.000 They give you a number.

00:30:29.000 They give you another number on the back of the actual social security card.

00:30:34.000 And the actual line that you sign on isn't an actual line, it is actual fine print, which is further bamboozling you into their system.

00:30:44.000 So they always say to read the fine print.

00:30:47.000 You look at the social security number, it doesn't look like it's a line, it doesn't look like it's a fine print, it looks like it's a line.

00:30:54.000 So people just sign on it, and you're signing basically your life away.

00:30:58.000 Can you sort of prove that?

00:30:59.000 Can you prove that if we like can my like I'm watching this with our producer, um, Massey?

00:31:05.000 So will Massey be able to can you send him a link so that when we're showing this, we can pull that up and show it and enlarge and go see, look, can we demonstrate that?

00:31:15.000 I was actually in our movie.

00:31:17.000 Yeah, yeah, it's actually in our movie.

00:31:19.000 What happened, Russell, was this.

00:31:21.000 My wife, who's very computer savvy, my wife Amber, along with a bunch of my friends, what they did is they went to a computer website and they put in the social security number, the back of the social security number.

00:31:35.000 I don't know exactly how they did it, but they all got a receipt back saying, hey, your bills were paid.

00:31:40.000 My friend Molly paid a $33,000 credit card bill.

00:31:44.000 My friend Bill, who's down in Boca Raton, he paid like $8,200.

00:31:48.000 My wife paid like $2,836.

00:31:51.000 It's in the movie.

00:31:52.000 We show the actual receipt saying thank you.

00:31:54.000 Your payment was successful.

00:31:56.000 So, if we paid a bill using our social security number, the question dawns is it our money or is it your money?

00:32:05.000 I think it's our money.

00:32:07.000 They just don't want you to know about it.

00:32:09.000 Now, our movie is being sort of remastered.

00:32:13.000 Maybe as of tomorrow, as early as tomorrow, there's going to be a remastered version of it, which is going to, if you thought the first one was amazing, this one that's going to be remastered is going to be even better.

00:32:23.000 We found some pieces.

00:32:24.000 That we had to add to the movie, that I think, you know, you can't leave it out because it tells the whole story for what it's worth.

00:32:32.000 So, we went out of our way, Russell, to basically trying to find the most prolific elementary pieces that we could find.

00:32:40.000 And very, very, not that you need a low IQ, but because they've gone out of their way to dumb us down with the food, with the pesticides, herbicides, toothpaste, mouthwash, the clothes you wear, everything, right? 0.92

00:32:52.000 So, I had to tell the story in such a way where an average dumb guy like Mel Carmine can understand it, right? 0.75

00:32:59.000 I said, if I can understand it, then I know it's ready for world consumption. 0.88

00:33:03.000 And that's exactly what we did.

00:33:05.000 And we got nothing but five star reviews across the board.

00:33:07.000 It's a two hour documentary that you need to fasten your seatbelt for because it will leave you flabbergasted.

00:33:13.000 Go on, then.

00:33:14.000 Can you just explain that to me a bit?

00:33:15.000 Because I might be one of them.

00:33:17.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:19.000 Do you have a driver's license?

00:33:22.000 Yeah.

00:33:24.000 Do you have a registration on your car?

00:33:26.000 Yes.

00:33:27.000 Did your mom and dad pay for your birth certificate when they were in the hospital when they gave birth to you?

00:33:27.000 Okay.

00:33:33.000 Possibly.

00:33:34.000 I don't know.

00:33:34.000 Remember, 1970s.

00:33:35.000 Everything is a payment.

00:33:37.000 You go through a stop sign, you get pulled over by the police, it's a bond.

00:33:41.000 Your social security number is your bond number.

00:33:43.000 That's the number that gets traded on the stock exchange, and they're getting interest on top of interest on top of interest.

00:33:47.000 That's why everybody's worth $400 or $500 million on average, okay?

00:33:52.000 And nobody even knows about it.

00:33:53.000 And everybody wakes up in the morning, goes to work, and we're on this treadmill, and you technically don't have to go to work because they've had the robots, they've had the technology, they've had the AI, they just don't want to release it, right?

00:34:03.000 But the reality is someone is enslaving us. 0.89

00:34:07.000 Is it Israel? 0.75

00:34:07.000 Is it the banksters? 0.75

00:34:08.000 Is it these guys?

00:34:09.000 Is it Wall Street?

00:34:10.000 It's a little bit of.

00:34:11.000 Of all of them.

00:34:12.000 So the bottom line is you go get a fishing license, a hunting license.

00:34:16.000 You think you own your car, for example.

00:34:17.000 You don't own your car.

00:34:18.000 Your car is registered to the state.

00:34:20.000 The state owns your car.

00:34:21.000 And I don't care if it's a Ferrari or a Ford.

00:34:24.000 I don't care if it's a Lamborghini or a Maserati.

00:34:27.000 If that car is registered, go read the fine print on your registration.

00:34:27.000 It's owned by the state.

00:34:32.000 The car is owned by the state.

00:34:34.000 Your driver's license, you have to pay for your driver's license.

00:34:34.000 Okay.

00:34:37.000 That's a bond.

00:34:38.000 That money gets traded.

00:34:39.000 You go through a stop sign.

00:34:40.000 You get a speeding ticket.

00:34:41.000 You get a hunting license.

00:34:42.000 You get a fishing license. 0.55

00:34:43.000 You get a marriage license. 0.99

00:34:44.000 You get a Divorce license, you get a remarriage license if you're stupid enough to get married like some of us a second, a third, and a fourth time. 0.92

00:34:51.000 Every time you do that, that is a license, and those licenses get traded on the stock exchange and they use your social security number to keep track of everything. 0.82

00:35:00.000 I didn't know that, and I don't fully understand it, to be honest with you.

00:35:05.000 But what you're saying is that because I don't understand what the monetary value is, and I also don't, even though I agree with the general idea that the state has ownership over you, that you are not free in the way that you think that you are free, that you are controlled in a million ways.

00:35:19.000 Before breakfast, what I'm, it seems that you're telling me is that you can point to, and in the film, do point to, see what that says there on your driving license.

00:35:30.000 See, like, you could pull up something on a state of Florida car.

00:35:34.000 Well, let me finish so that I'm just clear.

00:35:36.000 Like, on a license plate legislation, you could show me a bit of bureaucratic language that says your car is owned by the state, and therefore they could, if they wanted to, come and get it.

00:35:49.000 If they wanted to.

00:35:50.000 That's the fact.

00:35:51.000 I didn't know that.

00:35:53.000 There's no question about it.

00:35:55.000 As a matter of fact, if you want, like we're not recording, maybe you might want to bring me back for a second session. 0.94

00:36:02.000 I would be like pulling teeth to try to get my wife to do a podcast with you because she's the brains of the family.

00:36:07.000 I'm just a loudmouth, right? 0.99

00:36:09.000 The bottom line is she will take you directly to the website where they went, where they put the social.

00:36:14.000 She'll show you, for example, if you have an American social security number, which I'm sure you do, you live in Florida now, you must have a social security number, right?

00:36:21.000 Yeah.

00:36:23.000 Therefore, we can actually go and look up things that you've done in the last, well, like, you know, registering your car, a driver's license, little things like that.

00:36:31.000 We can't keep putting this content on YouTube because we don't trust YouTube and we have a really great deal with Rumble.

00:36:36.000 Get over onto Rumble right now.

00:36:38.000 Click the link, join us over there.

00:36:40.000 You get additional content from me if you get Rumble Premium and other great Rumble creators.

00:36:45.000 Dave Rubin, he's on there.

00:36:48.000 Your man, Steven Crowder, he's on there also.

00:36:52.000 Wait a minute, there's others.

00:36:53.000 Kim Iverson, she's good.

00:36:55.000 Tim, Paul, that's another one.

00:36:57.000 What I'm telling you is everyone's doing their best.

00:37:00.000 Everyone's doing their best, man.

00:37:02.000 So, but that, yeah, that's very interesting to me.

00:37:06.000 I recognize that bureaucracy is a kind of system of registering and enforcing power.

00:37:15.000 And I also know that in practice, all of us live within pretty narrow parameters.

00:37:22.000 And if you try to exceed those parameters, even just by things that you say publicly, You will feel the constricting force and power of the system.

00:37:33.000 But I haven't done like research work in demonstrate.

00:37:38.000 I just know that, for example, when I became very outspoken in ways that were inconvenient, that the mechanism existed to use the law to restrict that.

00:37:49.000 And the same with Joby, you know, the same with Joby, for example.

00:37:52.000 Okay, so with digital censorship is not a conspiracy.

00:37:56.000 Can you tell me how, dear, what is in Dear Mr. President, what?

00:38:01.000 Mel, is the point that you're making about free speech and digital censorship?

00:38:07.000 Sure.

00:38:08.000 Dear Mr. President, the first movie, which is free, and I did the movie free because even though it cost me money to make it, nobody works for free, but I had to pay these people to produce the movie that I envisioned about free speech.

00:38:22.000 And we do believe that because I have some friends in very high places, not to brag, that have verified that the movie has landed across the desk of the administration, which To which he signed an executive order saying you are not allowed to censor free speech if you run a social media platform in the United States.

00:38:42.000 Did YouTube stop censoring?

00:38:45.000 Did Instagram stop censoring?

00:38:46.000 They're all censoring.

00:38:48.000 Even this one, sir, with all due respect, I understand you have some kind of partnership going on with Rumble, but I've been stuck at 30,300 people.

00:38:57.000 They rolled me back to 30,100 people.

00:39:00.000 I've sent them some very, very incredibly well written emails.

00:39:03.000 Nobody even answers back because they can't.

00:39:05.000 Defend themselves because they know that I'm right. 0.94

00:39:08.000 So, therefore, you know, the only way to fix this is someone's got to wake up in the morning and grab the bull by the balls and say, you know what? 0.86

00:39:18.000 We got artificial intelligence.

00:39:20.000 I got friends of mine who are worth millions of dollars.

00:39:22.000 We could build our own platform.

00:39:24.000 We could deliver the people what they want.

00:39:26.000 We could deliver the podcasters what they envision because I know I live inside the mind of the podcaster because I'm a podcaster myself.

00:39:34.000 Right?

00:39:34.000 Yes.

00:39:35.000 So, I know what I want.

00:39:36.000 As a podcaster, if someone could deliver what's in my mind, I would jump on it in a second. 0.98

00:39:40.000 But if no one else out there is doing it, I might as well be the one that grabs the bull by the balls. 0.99

00:39:47.000 Yes. 0.99

00:39:48.000 Yes.

00:39:49.000 So, how do you demonstrate that YouTube or X, like, no, I know that YouTube can throttle views.

00:39:49.000 Okay.

00:39:57.000 I'm surprised to hear that Rumble do it because I don't think Rumble, I don't know how Rumble works behind the, you know, behind the, underneath the hood, as it were, but I know people that run Rumble pretty well.

00:40:09.000 And it seems to me that they, yeah, of course they're running a business, but that their business is based on free speech and, in particular, posing themselves as a distinct organization from, say, YouTube, which is extremely sensorial in a number of brilliant ways.

00:40:28.000 Amazing.

00:40:29.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 Yeah.

00:40:30.000 It's incredible the way that it can be controlled, mate.

00:40:33.000 So, what proof do you have of it?

00:40:37.000 Well, look, you know, when I was.

00:40:40.000 Doing videos, and I interviewed guys who knew a lot, who was in my movie, David Strait, about the straw man.

00:40:48.000 And I only had 6,800 subscribers, and I thought people were going to unsubscribe and I was going to go back to selling energy deregulation.

00:40:56.000 And that video was so well done, and the interview was so well done because I'm also pretty good at interviewing people.

00:41:03.000 And that video gets 219,000 views that weekend, and I got 6,900 people.

00:41:11.000 And now I got, you know, one channel's got 54,000, another one's got 14,000, another one's got 17,000.

00:41:16.000 I got a bunch of channels with a bunch of stuff, right?

00:41:18.000 With a bunch of followers.

00:41:20.000 The bottom line is why now I do videos and I got a lot more experience and I bring in incredible guests and my videos are not allowed to go over 4,000.

00:41:31.000 But yet I got 54,600 and something people, whatever.

00:41:35.000 But yet I'm not allowed to get those big numbers that I was getting when I had 10,000, 5,000, 6,000.

00:41:41.000 15,000, even, right?

00:41:44.000 What's changed?

00:41:45.000 I mean, I've gotten better at my craft.

00:41:47.000 I should get even better numbers, right?

00:41:49.000 But because we are going against the status quo, look, at the end of the day, whether you like to believe it or not, social media in America is being run by Marxist, communist ideology.

00:42:02.000 That's who's running the show.

00:42:04.000 And your kids go to school and they become flaming liberals.

00:42:09.000 How'd that happen?

00:42:10.000 Because someone's brainwashed.

00:42:11.000 You give your kids over to the state.

00:42:13.000 That's why when you're Parents, okay, they're renting you to the state.

00:42:18.000 Listen to the wording parent, okay?

00:42:21.000 They're renting you over to the state and they are basically signing on the birth certificate that they're handing you over to the state.

00:42:28.000 You are part of the state.

00:42:30.000 You don't belong to your parents.

00:42:31.000 You belong to the state, Russell.

00:42:34.000 Well, actually, I belong to God.

00:42:38.000 And that's true.

00:42:39.000 What's been very interesting about the last few years, Mel, is recognizing that.

00:42:47.000 There are ways that you can inhabit this system with a degree of financial success and freedom.

00:42:55.000 If the extent of your requirement for freedom is just really the pursuit of pleasure, you can carve out little avenues and pathways where you can live in a kind of a silo of pleasure.

00:43:09.000 But when you start to recognize that you are being controlled, The only way you can really go, if you ask me, is to turn towards God and in allowing God to do his work in you, see how and if the tools of this machine can be leveraged or charged in a different direction.

00:43:37.000 And that's the middle of the struggle that I'm in right now.

00:43:41.000 And you can sort of see that, you know, Joby Weeks must have had some kind of impact, Andrew Tate must have had some kind of impact, I must have had some kind of impact.

00:43:51.000 Or you could believe the sort of alternative story that's available on all of those imperfect and fallen, broken men who definitely have errors in their past, for sure.

00:44:01.000 Certainly, I know I do.

00:44:03.000 But what I'm interested in when it comes to your work as a storyteller, Mel, is how you have told the story of, for example, in The Straw Man, that we are owned, like bureaucratically owned, and what we can do about it.

00:44:24.000 And the same with digital censorship, that we are being controlled.

00:44:26.000 I know that in the United Kingdom, what's happening right now is that the explicit story is in order to protect.

00:44:35.000 Children from obscene imagery, new censorship is going to be introduced.

00:44:41.000 And that new censorship will basically require that people have a permit to go online.

00:44:47.000 Now, we're not there yet in the United States, but we could end up there very, very quickly if we're not careful.

00:44:57.000 So I wonder, Mel, if you've begun to think of what the alternative to these restrictive models might be.

00:45:07.000 You know, that's a great question, Russell.

00:45:08.000 The alternative is for people to find vacuums.

00:45:12.000 They have created this vacuum, for example, with censorship, right?

00:45:15.000 So I said, you know what?

00:45:17.000 No one's answering that call.

00:45:19.000 I'm going to go and answer that.

00:45:21.000 And I'm going to build a better mousetrap.

00:45:23.000 And we could do that because of artificial intelligence.

00:45:26.000 The code that we're writing, for example, for Tube 1776, which screams freedom and liberty, is going to be light years ahead of YouTube.

00:45:36.000 And Facebook and Instagram.

00:45:37.000 Why?

00:45:38.000 Because it's being built by artificial intelligence, which is what?

00:45:41.000 100,000 times smarter than humans.

00:45:43.000 That's a fact.

00:45:44.000 You can't argue with that fact.

00:45:46.000 And it's going to get smarter and faster as we go.

00:45:49.000 Right?

00:45:50.000 Yes.

00:45:50.000 So, you know, there are plenty of vacuums.

00:45:53.000 You know, you don't like the food because the food is poison.

00:45:55.000 Go start a food company that delivers clean food.

00:46:00.000 Okay.

00:46:01.000 Teach people, like, for example, like my good friend who was recently on your show as well, Jim Gale.

00:46:08.000 Teach people how to grow their own food.

00:46:10.000 Get out of the system.

00:46:11.000 You have to buck the system.

00:46:13.000 You can't just sit here and say, you know what?

00:46:16.000 Everything's going to be great.

00:46:17.000 Donald Trump is going to fix everything.

00:46:18.000 And the guy that comes after.

00:46:20.000 No, you know what?

00:46:21.000 I'm going to bet on the fact that things are not going to get better.

00:46:24.000 I'm going to bet on the fact that things are going to get worse.

00:46:26.000 And I'm going to bet on Mel Carmine because I wake up in the morning and I know I can trust Mel Carmine.

00:46:33.000 Yeah.

00:46:34.000 My worry about individualism and leaning into personal self, Mel, is our own. 0.81

00:46:43.000 I mean, you've even alluded in our conversation so far to your requirement for your dear wife who's too shy to come on podcasts.

00:46:50.000 And yeah, me and my wife, we just started doing one Sunday service where we just read the Bible and talk about our current spiritual challenges.

00:47:03.000 Because the biggest thing that's happened in my life in the last couple of years, and there's been a lot of big things that have happened in my life in the last couple of years, is the revelation that Christ is real.

00:47:13.000 And I think that can be easily misinterpreted because the institutions that you are describing mostly through their technological capacity, their current technological capacity,

00:47:29.000 for example, the bureaucratic ability in the last 50 years of the state to declare ownership over you through the process of birth registration and now vehicular control through vehicle registration and As the technology increases, so their power will increase.

00:47:49.000 I reckon these systems have always been present because new technology, by its almost by definition, tends to end up in the hands of the most powerful institutions and groups that further consolidate their advantage.

00:48:03.000 I mean, we all know that this technology, one of its functions is it develops the next wave of technology.

00:48:08.000 So there's this sort of exponential growth in the areas where control is already concentrated.

00:48:14.000 That's why I suppose people always question the provenance and doubt the truth of the idea that.

00:48:21.000 E.g., Mark Zuckerberg was making that thing in a garage, or Serge Brin and Larry Page came up with Google themselves, particularly when, as Mike Benz brilliantly explained, their PhD while they were still at college was funded by a CIA carve out.

00:48:40.000 You start to see that actually the reach and power of these centralized systems goes way beyond what we have imagined.

00:48:50.000 And even the idea of the brilliant.

00:48:53.000 And an ingenious entrepreneur needs to be interrogated before it's believed.

00:48:58.000 What I see, I reckon, maybe, even though I agree with you on the most important things, the state is evil.

00:49:04.000 All of the powerful institutions in the world, whether they're media, communications, technology, or finance, are in some way that's difficult to fully understand, centrally controlled by one group, and that there's potentially an occultist component.

00:49:18.000 That the answer to this problem, even if you disagree on the nature of the problem, because some people might just go, no, these people are just.

00:49:26.000 It's just Bill Gates buying up farmland.

00:49:28.000 It's just powerful people influencing and controlling resources.

00:49:33.000 Even if you just see it in that way, and I don't think there's a problem with seeing it that way, the solution remains the same to establish new models for survival outside of the system.

00:49:47.000 Like you've said, Jim Gale came on and talked to us about food independence.

00:49:52.000 We want to talk to people about energy independence.

00:49:54.000 Joby is all about financial independence and trade independence.

00:49:59.000 I'm Interested in the independence and freedom of information and the establishment of truly participatory democratic systems where communities can be run by the members of that community as much as they want to be involved with no restriction.

00:50:13.000 So, if you take any issue of our day, whether it's the kind of neoliberal wokeism in schools type issues or the migration challenges or police brutality, whether that's against a white kid in the UK or against a black man in the United States, all of these issues can be.

00:50:35.000 Brokered, limited, curtailed, controlled, improved by allowing the people of a community to meaningfully engage in the way their community is managed.

00:50:47.000 I mean, the literal voting on budgets and the distribution of resources, the tedious business of politics.

00:50:54.000 In fact, the ideology and glamour should be stripped out of politics altogether.

00:50:58.000 It should become banal.

00:51:00.000 In order for this to happen, we as a culture have to let go of our mad fetishization of objects.

00:51:08.000 Gadgetry, sexualization of one another, obsession with progress and the idea that there's going to be some object coming down the line that's going to improve our lives.

00:51:18.000 And that's the spiritual work that has to be done.

00:51:20.000 It's difficult to undertake that voluntarily.

00:51:22.000 And I haven't undertaken it voluntarily.

00:51:24.000 I've undertaken it because as a result, I think of the work I was doing during the pandemic, a sort of a series of crises entered into my life.

00:51:33.000 And out of that crisis, I've experienced revelation.

00:51:38.000 And it's the revelation of the nature that I've just described.

00:51:43.000 Do you think then, Mel, mate, that what we should be doing is organizing among entrepreneurial individuals systems for establishing communities that mean that we could voluntarily decouple from the master system,

00:51:59.000 i.e., a new confederacy of secession, where each community, as long as we agree to certain, one would call them common sense, moral, and ethical laws? around respecting people's individual personal freedom, sanctity, ability to consent, leave the community, no murder, no stealing, all that kind of basic stuff.

00:52:19.000 That once you did that, you could have a confederacy that would include Muslim communities, Christian communities, secular, atheist communities, communities that want to, uh, aggregate and, um, uh, organize around their sexuality, if that's what they wanted, like a whole gay community where if they wanted to, they could have a, they could, um, have bio babies, whatever.

00:52:40.000 You'd get out of the business of a community's morality.

00:52:43.000 You'd focus on your own personal connection to God and focus on using the technology that we have now to increase freedom.

00:52:49.000 Because as you've said, the technology always seems to increase the ability of the state to control.

00:52:55.000 Do you agree with me, Mel?

00:52:57.000 I do totally agree with you.

00:52:59.000 Earlier, you mentioned God and I'm flashing.

00:53:01.000 You can see my screen, I hope, right?

00:53:04.000 Yeah, but I can't see.

00:53:04.000 I can see you, but I can't see what you bring up on your screen.

00:53:07.000 But we can do it in post because you're in a Zoom call with our producer.

00:53:10.000 So he'll be able to sort that out.

00:53:12.000 You can't see my screen?

00:53:18.000 I'm showing an XRP logo.

00:53:21.000 And I sent this, I took a picture of this innocently in Costa Rica.

00:53:25.000 I was on one of my favorite beaches called Playa Langosta.

00:53:29.000 And what happened was that I sent this picture to my friend Kathy, who lives in Florida as well.

00:53:34.000 She circled this face of God next to the XRP logo.

00:53:38.000 Notice it's not a Bitcoin logo or an XLM logo or an Ethereum logo, it's an XRP logo.

00:53:43.000 And I was an atheist at the time.

00:53:45.000 Because I basically stopped believing when you do what I do for 40 years plus, and the man does not come down from the sky, you start to doubt everything.

00:53:56.000 And it's normal, it's natural.

00:53:57.000 I'm sure you've probably gone through that phase yourself, if I know enough about you.

00:54:01.000 So, you know, yes, you know, we have to create heaven on earth.

00:54:06.000 We have the ability.

00:54:07.000 But if you think the state, who is completely total communistic in nature, Marxist in nature, they've brainwashed your kids, they want to control your money.

00:54:16.000 The reason why XRP and Bitcoin and all these, they don't want this stuff is because if I wanted to buy your house, for example, Russell, and you accept Bitcoin or XRP or whatever it is, and I'm willing to send that money directly to your wallet, do I need a bank?

00:54:34.000 No.

00:54:34.000 I don't.

00:54:36.000 I don't.

00:54:37.000 And this is what they're afraid of.

00:54:39.000 Right?

00:54:40.000 So we can take over, we can create systems that clean up the atmosphere, we can create systems that clean up the dirt.

00:54:49.000 Tell Donald Trump, say, why don't you sign an executive order that says, listen, if you stop, if you don't stop spraying us, that the people that run the air forces around the country can just come up with war jets and escort you down to a military base and bring your ass down to Guantanamo Bay and advertise that on the evening news. 0.98

00:55:08.000 Your problem will be solved in about 22 fucking nanoseconds. 0.99

00:55:14.000 I like it. 1.00

00:55:15.000 Decentralization.

00:55:16.000 Right.

00:55:17.000 I mean, I don't know if we're going to have little military forces, though.

00:55:19.000 I love it.

00:55:20.000 You want an air force in your one.

00:55:22.000 Yeah, I love Jim Gale.

00:55:23.000 I love Joby.

00:55:24.000 I love everybody.

00:55:25.000 I love you too.

00:55:27.000 But the reality is this. 0.99

00:55:28.000 If we don't free up the fucking microphones, you can yell at the top of the biggest mountain, Mount Everest, okay, that you should grow your own food. 1.00

00:55:39.000 But if someone is in charge of the damn microphone, you can yell until your eyes pop out of your skull. 1.00

00:55:45.000 Ain't nobody listening to you, dog. 0.99

00:55:49.000 So let's fix, first thing first, let's fix the microphone.

00:55:52.000 Let's get a platform that when I build the platform, and maybe, you know, all these influential people will invite me on their podcast, say, you know what?

00:56:00.000 That is amazing.

00:56:01.000 You delivered exactly what I wanted.

00:56:03.000 How genius.

00:56:05.000 Not that I'm calling myself a genius, but I am.

00:56:08.000 So, what you want to do are you saying that's what you want to do is build a literal platform?

00:56:14.000 Oh, yeah.

00:56:15.000 Yeah.

00:56:15.000 That's my, this is the biggest endeavor that I've done in my entire life.

00:56:20.000 And whatever it takes, balls to the walls, I will deliver the platform exactly the way it's on paper.

00:56:27.000 Artificial intelligence said this Mel, if you deliver this and you charge people through the blockchain, Exactly the way it's on digital paper, and you build it with the best AI, with the proper backing, financial backing, et cetera.

00:56:43.000 This is going to crush YouTube, Facebook, anybody that wants to get in our way.

00:56:48.000 You know why?

00:56:49.000 Because we're going to build a mousetrap that is for the people so that the people can have their voices back.

00:56:55.000 Not a little bit, all the way, 100%.

00:56:58.000 Full spectrum, free speech, no holes barred.

00:57:04.000 Yesterday, I was looking at X, right?

00:57:07.000 And it's after these murders, this sort of, I think it's not a murder actually, it's an attempted murder in Belfast.

00:57:15.000 It happened to be a Somali immigrant, like, attacked a white native guy in Belfast.

00:57:25.000 And it's obviously given the climate around the issue of migration in the UK, it's created a lot, a lot of heat. 1.00

00:57:33.000 Understandably.

00:57:34.000 And I did see someone on X, right, mate? 1.00

00:57:37.000 Like a working class white geezer, tattooed up, earrings in. 1.00

00:57:44.000 And this is why we got to have, you know, like a proper rant about how he felt. 0.99

00:57:51.000 And, you know, I don't know how many views it had, like, or what the guy's pedigree was, but he was there to be seen on X, you know?

00:58:06.000 So, like, Any new platform that is going to deliver, like right say now, if I look on X, Nick's fans attacked a five guys employee for being a Spurs fan, I can see riots, I can see protests.

00:58:23.000 Now, I'm not saying that I agree with you 100%.

00:58:26.000 I agree with you, but I reckon the only way we can succeed when it comes to when I think the only thing when it comes to.

00:58:40.000 Establishing platforms and any of these systems.

00:58:44.000 You know, what's going to be demanded of us is that we are at the level of integrity when it comes to profit.

00:58:51.000 Oh man, we're going to be our feet are going to be to the coals because we cannot be in any way looking for anything other than the service of God.

00:58:59.000 Because right now, there are good platforms out there that have enough free speech.

00:59:06.000 And this system is robust enough to accommodate quite a lot of free speech.

00:59:10.000 I think that.

00:59:13.000 I say basically wherever I want on Rumble three times a week.

00:59:16.000 And the truth is, it doesn't make that much difference because there are so many ways to control the access, maybe even the devices themselves.

00:59:27.000 You know, we don't know what the hardware does.

00:59:30.000 We don't know what logically AI and all of these groups that governments employ and corporations employ to manage social media impact.

00:59:37.000 You know, like their power is really what has to be thought of.

00:59:40.000 But I will say, mate, that both of your film, Strawman and Dear Mr. President, you're doing incredible work and you have exactly the kind of spirit that we need.

00:59:50.000 To advance.

00:59:51.000 Thank you very much, man, for joining us.

00:59:54.000 And I hope next time I see you, we'll get to meet your wife as well and to hear her contributions.

00:59:59.000 You can see Mel Carmine's work by clicking the link in the description.

01:00:03.000 That includes his film, Dear Mr. President, and Show Me the Money, The Straw Man.

01:00:09.000 And you can get more.

01:00:10.000 Where can people go to get more of your content, Mel?

01:00:12.000 Yeah, sure.

01:00:13.000 They can go to, if you go on YouTube, my main channel is Mel Carmine Podcast, just Mel Carmine Podcast.

01:00:20.000 The channel's got 54,000 and change.

01:00:22.000 Not a big whoopee doo.

01:00:23.000 I mean, I'm, look, I'm going to tell you something before we go.

01:00:28.000 We actually load the same content that we load on YouTube.

01:00:32.000 For some reason, YouTube is allowing me to grow just a little bit.

01:00:35.000 The same content we load on YouTube is the same content we load on Rumble.

01:00:39.000 Rumble, for some reason, has it in for me.

01:00:41.000 Maybe they like you.

01:00:42.000 Maybe they like Nino Rodriguez.

01:00:43.000 Maybe they like all these other people.

01:00:45.000 But Mel Carmine is maybe too Brooklyn, too abrasive, too whatever.

01:00:51.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:51.000 You're not too Brooklyn for us.

01:00:52.000 I love you.

01:00:53.000 You're a perfect level of Brooklyn.

01:00:55.000 Yeah.

01:00:56.000 You know, for me, I'm here because I want people to be healthy.

01:01:00.000 I want people to be happy.

01:01:02.000 I want people to have freedom of speech.

01:01:03.000 I want total liberty.

01:01:05.000 I want the Republic to be reinstated. 0.85

01:01:07.000 I want the American Incorporation to go away.

01:01:10.000 I want people to come to my wellness center, staying alive in Cape Canaveral, and sit in the bio photonic frequency energy and look as good as me when you're 63.

01:01:19.000 You're 63, are you?

01:01:21.000 You're looking great, Mel.

01:01:22.000 I'd like to get into what I'm imagining as a little bio egg. 0.99

01:01:26.000 I'd like to look like Mork at the end of Mork. 1.00

01:01:28.000 I'd like to get right in there.

01:01:31.000 Cape Canaveral, you say?

01:01:32.000 That's not that far.

01:01:33.000 It's not that far at all.

01:01:36.000 Come on, man.

01:01:37.000 We would love to have you.

01:01:38.000 We would love to have you, mate.

01:01:40.000 Absolutely. 0.98

01:01:41.000 Stayingalive.com is with two E's because if you do only one E, you'll end up with the Bee Gees.

01:01:47.000 You don't want to do that.

01:01:48.000 Yeah, no, that's really good.

01:01:50.000 We've been down that road.

01:01:52.000 All right, man.

01:01:52.000 Mel, thanks, man.

01:01:53.000 Thanks for your time.

01:01:54.000 And we'll talk again soon.

01:01:56.000 Lots of love, man.

01:01:58.000 Thank you, brother.

01:01:59.000 I appreciate you.

01:02:02.000 Well, thanks for joining us.

01:02:04.000 We will be back on Monday, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.

01:02:08.000 Until then, if you can, please stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - June 12, 2026

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