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00:00:08.000 Russell Brand.

00:00:09.000 Russell Brand.

00:00:10.000 Controversial.

00:00:11.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:16.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:20.000 We're going to be looking at activism, protest, and talking to people that are going to equip you with information that helps you to navigate a falling system in falling times.

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00:00:34.000 Hello to all of you in locals.

00:00:36.000 And remember, my book, How to be a Christian in seven days. Is available now.

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00:00:59.000 Now, today we've got a few things to show you.

00:01:01.000 We're going to be showing you more insights from the protest that took place in the UK a couple of weeks ago.

00:01:07.000 I've got a fantastic conversation, or a second part of my conversation, with Michael Piers, who wrote this.

00:01:13.000 Book that I enjoyed a great deal because I'm looking for ways of interfacing with the infinite that are beyond the restrictions of contemporary religion.

00:01:24.000 So, have a look to remind you about Michael Peters.

00:01:27.000 Michael H. Peters is an engineer, entrepreneur, and author whose work spans technology, blockchain, innovation, design, and leadership.

00:01:35.000 Trained at the Rose Holman Institute of Technology and connected to the Harvard Graduate School of Design through teaching and advisory roles, he has spent years working across fields ranging from development and education to emerging technologies.

00:01:48.000 Through his books, The System or The Ecosystem, he explores the tension between institutional religion and what he sees as a more relational lived experience of Christianity, centered on community, identity, and a direct relationship with God.

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00:02:10.000 See if you can notice the moment in this interview with Michael when I take some because the entire thing changes.

00:02:18.000 What is your individual aim one day at a time?

00:02:22.000 And how do you think in community we move forward so that it doesn't become a very quiet, solitary, oh, I just live on some island in Greece and meditate all day?

00:02:32.000 Yeah, well, that would be utterly nonsense.

00:02:34.000 In the world, but not of the world.

00:02:36.000 Come out from among them, be separate, says the Lord, and then I'll be your God and you'll be my people. 1.00

00:02:41.000 That doesn't mean monastic, right? 0.99

00:02:45.000 I mean, I taught at Harvard Graduate School with atheists and Buddhists and Hindus and. 1.00

00:02:53.000 You know, every kind of imaginary and, you know, crazy situation you can think of.

00:03:01.000 I have very close friends that are, you know, PhD Muslims, government officials in the Middle East and in Central Asia.

00:03:14.000 Abdullah Abdullah was the co president with Ghani in Afghanistan.

00:03:19.000 He made me dinner in his house, right?

00:03:21.000 So, as like, I'm not talking about something that's just out there and monastic.

00:03:26.000 And these guys in this room right here have been to every kind of concert.

00:03:33.000 And, you know, what was the thing in Phoenix that, you know, used to?

00:03:38.000 TPUSA.

00:03:39.000 TPUSA, you were there.

00:03:41.000 So were we, right?

00:03:44.000 And the reason we were there wasn't to be in the audience.

00:03:47.000 The reason we were there was to talk to as many people as we could about how to live this whole new life.

00:03:52.000 When they let the apostles out of prison, you know what the angel said?

00:03:56.000 Go out in the marketplace and tell them about this whole new Zoe.

00:04:01.000 He didn't say about how to go be baptized, say a sinner's prayer, but there's a life, there's a kingdom, there's something special going on here.

00:04:09.000 I'm letting you out of prison for one reason not so you can go hide and be monastic, so you can tell everybody you meet about this whole new amazing Zoe life that you can experience the DNA change that makes you, the mystery of incarnation, the mystery of godliness, the sharing of life with the God who created the galaxies, Christ in you.

00:04:31.000 The hope of glory, the mystery withheld for ages and generations. 0.72

00:04:34.000 My gospel, Paul called it.

00:04:36.000 The mystery withheld for ages and generations was the anointed one, the person of Jesus, living inside of you.

00:04:43.000 Now go tell everybody about this whole new life.

00:04:46.000 And that's what we do every day, whether it's at Harvard or in the workplace or wherever it's at.

00:04:52.000 And, you know, it's not an accident, it's a call.

00:04:58.000 It's also not some obedient, robotic Romans.

00:05:02.000 You know, obey this, do that, or Matthew 28, you know, let's go evangelize, go into every nation.

00:05:09.000 Well, guess what?

00:05:09.000 The apostles were in Jerusalem 25 years after that.

00:05:13.000 Everybody else got scattered by the persecution.

00:05:15.000 It said, everybody but the apostles.

00:05:17.000 He was the only one that they were talking to, that Jesus was talking to, go into every nation.

00:05:22.000 And they didn't budge for, you know, 20 years or so.

00:05:25.000 Everybody else left because of the persecution.

00:05:28.000 And then the Jerusalem council, 10 years later, people came back and told their stories and so on.

00:05:34.000 But But this thing that everybody in Ephesus is supposed to go into every nation, and they're supposed to run into people from Thessalonica who are also going into every nation.

00:05:43.000 And so these from Philippi are going to Thessalonica, and they're going from there.

00:05:47.000 And, you know, it's like that's not really what he meant.

00:05:50.000 What he meant was go make disciples and let my kingdom spread, and you play your part.

00:05:56.000 The whole body's not an eye, the whole body's not a hand.

00:05:59.000 You know, Romans, you know, Matthew 28 is not some universal command.

00:06:04.000 He was talking to the apostles.

00:06:06.000 Right?

00:06:07.000 So, my point is this that you put up your sail and you let the wind take you.

00:06:13.000 It blows where it wills.

00:06:14.000 There's power in it.

00:06:15.000 You don't know where it's going.

00:06:17.000 That's the life he wants us to lead.

00:06:19.000 And the shyest person I've ever known, probably, as a believer, had a bullhorn at a what was the concert she was at?

00:06:26.000 It was a winter jam.

00:06:29.000 A winter jam.

00:06:29.000 You heard of those things?

00:06:30.000 It's Forrest Frank and some of these youngsters, Gen Z music stars, right?

00:06:38.000 She's got a bullhorn talking to people.

00:06:40.000 Somebody handed it to her, and she said, I got to tell people about Jesus.

00:06:44.000 It wasn't even one of us, it was a street preacher that said, You know, here, you take this.

00:06:50.000 So I'm just saying, you put your sail up into the wind and see where it takes you.

00:06:56.000 It's not some cold, hard bunch of commands that everybody's supposed to do something, but everybody's supposed to die so much to their own will, their own flesh, their own ambition, their pride, their lust, their fear, their selfishness, their shyness.

00:07:11.000 You know, their aggressive personality stuff.

00:07:14.000 You know, you die to all that and let Jesus rule and reign in you.

00:07:18.000 And if everybody does that and we help each other do that, then he'll get what he wants.

00:07:22.000 And that's Hebrews 3 12 and 13.

00:07:24.000 If you admonish one another daily, called alongside Paraclete, Paracleo, that's the Greek word for the Holy Spirit.

00:07:32.000 Jesus called the Holy Spirit the Paraclete, the Paracleo.

00:07:36.000 And that's the word the Hebrews writer used, probably Apollos.

00:07:41.000 And he said, Be called alongside one another daily so that none of you are hardened and deceived by sin as long as it's called today.

00:07:50.000 Right?

00:07:50.000 So, the process of helping each other, and that's community, right?

00:07:53.000 It could be.

00:07:55.000 That's not what most external mechanical communities do.

00:07:58.000 Oh, get the log out of your own eye.

00:08:02.000 But if in love we're putting our hand on each other's shoulder, we're keeping our powder dry, watching, praying, because we might be mistaken.

00:08:13.000 It might be just a bad day, whatever.

00:08:15.000 But if our goal is to help each other become more like Jesus, now you've got community.

00:08:20.000 Now you've got ecclesia.

00:08:22.000 And it says, be called alongside one another for 90 minutes on Sunday so that none are hardened and deceived.

00:08:29.000 Obviously, that's not what it said.

00:08:31.000 It said daily is the Greek word.

00:08:33.000 And that life together, that doesn't mean meetings.

00:08:36.000 That just means we share our lives.

00:08:38.000 We share our vulnerabilities.

00:08:39.000 We share our weaknesses.

00:08:41.000 I was tempted by this, and I just want you all to know keep an eye on me.

00:08:45.000 Or I saw you get a little bit of a temper when you're trying to cut through the gas station, and that guy didn't let you.

00:08:50.000 Like, hey, brother, what if you need to go back and talk to him about Jesus?

00:08:54.000 Is that going to be hard now?

00:08:56.000 Eh, maybe.

00:08:57.000 All right.

00:08:58.000 Then maybe your response could have been a little different.

00:09:01.000 So it softened his heart. 0.78

00:09:03.000 Instead of making him think you're a hypocrite because you're angry at him and now you're trying to share Jesus, that's not going to work.

00:09:09.000 So, as we help each other become more like Jesus from the inside out, then we do go into every nation.

00:09:15.000 I've been in 42 countries, maybe more, you know, and that's not, you know, not for money making purposes, but, you know, I have businesses in those countries too, but, you know, that's not why I live.

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00:10:47.000 This is what I think I've got to do.

00:10:48.000 Maybe I'm going to go back to that gas station with some drinks and coconut juice, find them guys.

00:10:55.000 And then they'll know that actually, you know, that.

00:11:00.000 See, the thing is, I know that we have become hemmed in, corralled, false shepherded, false institutions.

00:11:09.000 And I just can't allow it.

00:11:12.000 I don't know what it is.

00:11:14.000 I don't know what it is.

00:11:15.000 I got like obviously some big stuff coming up this year.

00:11:18.000 I got some big stuff coming up.

00:11:20.000 You know, like I have a trial.

00:11:23.000 You got a lot of people praying for you, Russell.

00:11:25.000 Thank you.

00:11:26.000 Thank you.

00:11:27.000 A lot of people praying for you.

00:11:28.000 Sometimes it's hard to envisage the other side of it, even.

00:11:31.000 Sometimes it's hard to envisage the other side of it.

00:11:36.000 But like, really, between now and then, it seems I feel like I've got to just spend some time with him, cultivate it.

00:11:46.000 Like that, where I, you know, see, I've come to this, Michael, through addiction.

00:11:51.000 And like, I had 20 years, I reckon, before Christ.

00:11:56.000 And in that 20 years, you learn a lot about letting go of worldliness in the most obvious way.

00:12:05.000 Like, if you're dependent on drugs and alcohol and you let go of drugs and alcohol, it opens up so much pain.

00:12:11.000 Like, the four sidles of drugs and alcohol are really good instructors because they really clearly are doing a spiritual job that only really God can do.

00:12:21.000 And the 12 steps via which I got clean and sober by God's grace help you to see that the problem was always a spiritual one.

00:12:32.000 Elsewhere, though, identity and an identity in the world becomes a kind of fulcrum.

00:12:39.000 And I've begun to envisage, to your point about the sort of sub molecular world and the peculiar indications in that space that suggest much of what is evident in scripture.

00:12:53.000 I've begun to regard sin as a kind of field, a contaminative field that one experiences in yourself.

00:13:02.000 But that is somehow present externally, also.

00:13:05.000 It's a kind of interface.

00:13:07.000 Now, when I am in sin, I am inaccessible to him.

00:13:13.000 And if I am, when I'm not in, and I cannot be in sin unless I'm first in self, unless I'm first in Russell.

00:13:22.000 It's impossible.

00:13:22.000 That's the sort of entry point.

00:13:24.000 And like, so I can be in Russell in sort of a neutral way, in a way that's not, you know, you might call it, given some of the words that have been laying down up to now, you might see it as a kind of a loop.

00:13:35.000 Warm thing like I'm in Russell, but I'm not actually doing anything wrong.

00:13:38.000 Thing is, with me, I'm volatile and fast moving, so like, usually, if I'm in Russell for any time at all, like, even in a situation that's innocuous, like, I'm not in a high you would think someone that's got criminal trials on the horizon, public facing persona, wouldn't be willing to get in it into it with like five or six guys in a construction situation with the daughter in the car, but like, that.

00:14:05.000 Is the way that I roll.

00:14:07.000 That is the way that I roll.

00:14:09.000 And as it gets redeemed, it makes more and more sense to me.

00:14:12.000 It's a good thick fuel that's running through me, a good thick fuel.

00:14:16.000 Painful when I'm not correctly oriented, when I'm not in a righteous posture.

00:14:21.000 But when I'm in a righteous posture, if I can maintain it for any period, one might imagine that it will be effective.

00:14:27.000 The reason I keep returning to the community idea is because I'm, I tell you why, is because I've like inadvertently about five to three times.

00:14:37.000 In my life, I found myself in very hot, contentious cultural moments.

00:14:43.000 The first two in my country, the first one was just a stupid scandal that really, really affected the BBC and the media. 0.95

00:14:48.000 It was a stupid scandal where I said something dumb on the radio, but it generated so much heat and craziness that when I came to your country and made a movie, the people were like, What is going on in your country? 0.98

00:14:59.000 They couldn't even understand what it was. 0.99

00:15:00.000 The next one was 2015.

00:15:02.000 That was when I went on a news show in my country and said, There's no point voting, whoever you vote for.

00:15:08.000 For you're going to get the same set of institutions with the same power.

00:15:10.000 The people I grew up with don't vote.

00:15:12.000 None of us vote.

00:15:12.000 We know that it's meaningless.

00:15:14.000 And unless we create systems that are reflective of who we really are, and this is before being in Christ, unless we have systems that are reflective of people's higher selves and our true natures, then politics is a facade, a sham, an illusion.

00:15:29.000 That created so much chaos in my country.

00:15:33.000 So much chaos.

00:15:34.000 The mistake I made is a mistake I commonly make instead of thinking, oh, you detected something true.

00:15:40.000 And you spoke truth, and you and so you created what happens when the truth is revealed.

00:15:46.000 I made it about myself, you know, because the performer component, who knows why.

00:15:51.000 Then, this third time during the pandemic, talking about, I believe this is, you know, again, I hadn't fully yet learned the language, but there's a crossover now because this is when he came to me.

00:16:03.000 Is that I recognized that this was a Luciferian gambit, that this was a kind of an advance of, you know, the omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence of our Lord is being synthetically created through bureaucracies and bureaucracies, as C.S. Lewis said.

00:16:20.000 Comedically depicted, are the dwelling place of demons.

00:16:24.000 The demons and Satan now won't come chuckling and holding pitchforks and horns.

00:16:28.000 No, they'll come and they'll say, We're here to help you, and this is the food for you, and these are your provisions.

00:16:34.000 Come to us as little children.

00:16:36.000 We'll tell you what to think.

00:16:37.000 We'll provide everything.

00:16:38.000 He who has seen me has seen my father, an exact counterfeit simulacrum of the original.

00:16:44.000 His own fallen kingdom, voided of all that is human, absolutely parasitic, and the prevailing evil principle of the fallen one will be evident throughout his DNA as surely as Christ is.

00:16:56.000 Is evident in fractal throughout his creation.

00:17:01.000 So, because I keep finding myself in situations where I involuntarily, because surely it was not deliberate, have found myself in head on, it felt to me head on, even though I recognize that I'm a speck in the eye of this mighty establishment, this Nephilim, this great gargantuan beast, it feels like I'm in my unavoidable purpose.

00:17:26.000 So, the reason when I talk to.

00:17:29.000 I'm like, what is it about systems and communities?

00:17:31.000 It's because I'm trying to get the armament that I know I need.

00:17:37.000 We are the hand, the eye, we've all got different jobs.

00:17:40.000 And this is not what I want to do or what I think.

00:17:44.000 Like, you know, sometimes, you know, there's enough brokenness in me to, I feel still the human version of Paul saying, I'll be out, man.

00:17:51.000 I'll go be with Christ.

00:17:51.000 I'd rather go.

00:17:52.000 I'd rather be with Christ.

00:17:54.000 I feel that all the time.

00:17:55.000 And when I'm with them, and like I said to my wife the other day, I go, when it's on me, I don't think, oh, but how would my children be?

00:18:03.000 I'm like, I don't care.

00:18:04.000 I just cannot be here.

00:18:06.000 I'm in exile.

00:18:07.000 I don't belong here.

00:18:10.000 Man, people don't know what it's like, as I always think.

00:18:14.000 Because I know its shadow so well, Michael. 0.98

00:18:16.000 When my mate G went, oh, shit, sorry, cut that name when we say it. 0.99

00:18:20.000 One of my friends went, you know, you sometimes hear those stories about a man at his wedding having sex with a bridesmaid, and people go, how could anyone do that? 1.00

00:18:31.000 He goes, I know how people can do that. 0.92

00:18:33.000 I know how you can be totally selfish.

00:18:36.000 I know it so well.

00:18:37.000 But the flip of it, the inversion of that is curiously, obviously, selflessness.

00:18:43.000 And you were used with, when you were talking about the Apostle Peter earlier, you said the word, and it's the obvious and correct, obviously, word converted.

00:18:52.000 But when I think of conversion, it's a conversion of charge, like a flow of energy.

00:18:58.000 It has a particular charge.

00:19:00.000 We are charged towards the world, we are contained within its circuitry.

00:19:06.000 It keeps us in its network, in its system.

00:19:09.000 To break out of that, our roots have to grasp new soil.

00:19:15.000 We have to be the recipients of a new charge and a new frequency.

00:19:18.000 And I reckon this next generation that are growing up on modems and servers and Wi Fi will have a good understanding of sub molecular, intricate signal receipt, but they're not going to speak in agricultural, shepherding, and goat herding and fisherman language.

00:19:37.000 They're going to be talking about, like, so I'm trying to learn that language and I'm trying to recognize what my role is, even though I know I'm in a very particular moment between now and that trial where, you know, there are possible outcomes that are, you know, superficially at least, unfavorable.

00:19:53.000 And so that's what it is.

00:19:55.000 That's what's driving me.

00:19:56.000 It's not an attempt to question the essence or fundamental nature of what the Bible's teaching and what you're doing your own evangelism and teaching around.

00:20:09.000 It is me trying to understand and learn what is my role.

00:20:14.000 What is my role?

00:20:15.000 That's what it is.

00:20:17.000 That's outstanding.

00:20:17.000 It's exhausting.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 Thanks.

00:20:22.000 The journey's real.

00:20:23.000 I mean, we talk to an awful lot of people around the world, and there's no doubt in my mind that you're on the journey and you're in the right place at the right time.

00:20:34.000 Everybody does have a different role, and you're going to have a different story.

00:20:37.000 His story.

00:20:38.000 You're going to have a different story.

00:20:40.000 Can I tell you a little bit about Abraham just for a second and the covenant, right?

00:20:44.000 So in Genesis 14, Abraham said, I will never allow the king of Sodom to make me rich.

00:21:01.000 He pushed back on the idea that the world system could make him wealthy.

00:21:01.000 Okay?

00:21:08.000 I think in part because he was unwilling to let the king of Sodom make him wealthy.

00:21:15.000 In Genesis 15, Is the covenant.

00:21:19.000 Now, Romans 4, Galatians 3 says if you're not a son of Abraham, if you're not of the faith of Abraham, you're not even a Christian, right?

00:21:29.000 If you're not willing to leave the idols, if you're not willing to put Isaac on the altar, the faith of Abraham means you'll do anything for God because he is everything in all.

00:21:39.000 So the covenant was kind of interesting.

00:21:42.000 1,500 years of the Assyrians, the Hittites, the Amorites, The Jews, 1500 years, they had this ritual of walking through the pieces.

00:21:55.000 You might be familiar with that.

00:21:57.000 Might be an easy discussion to have for that reason.

00:22:00.000 But what they would do is, in order to make a deal, cut a deal.

00:22:04.000 Actually, that's where the expression came from cut a deal, right?

00:22:07.000 You cut the ox in half, you cut all these animals, the ram, you cut them in half, and then you walk together through the pieces.

00:22:14.000 And the meaning of that is if I break this covenant, I'm as dead as they are.

00:22:20.000 Right, that's the meaning of it.

00:22:23.000 I am vowing my very life that I will not break this covenant.

00:22:27.000 It wasn't just some weird thing that, you know, happens on some foreign planet.

00:22:33.000 For 1500 years, the civilized nations of the earth said, you don't really mean it if you won't walk through the pieces.

00:22:42.000 Right?

00:22:42.000 There's no contract law, there's no court system.

00:22:45.000 You know, they, you know, just that's not how it worked.

00:22:49.000 So they walked through the pieces.

00:22:50.000 Well, when God made this covenant with Abraham, Very, very different.

00:22:55.000 And this is going to come into play with your October date and anything that Pierce or anybody else has to say about anything.

00:23:04.000 This is very important.

00:23:06.000 When God said, let's make a covenant, let's cut a deal, let's cut a covenant, he put Abraham to sleep and he walked through those pieces alone.

00:23:19.000 Abraham didn't walk through with him.

00:23:21.000 He said, the only thing I need from you, and this is Genesis 17, is I need you to be faithful.

00:23:27.000 And I need you to be blameless.

00:23:29.000 And the blameless word is the same one David of all people, right?

00:23:33.000 Bathsheba, you know all that.

00:23:34.000 David said, I was blameless.

00:23:37.000 What?

00:23:39.000 Well, the Hebrew word is blameless, means that I'm given over to looking to you as my solution.

00:23:48.000 That doesn't mean perfect.

00:23:49.000 That Hebrew word does not mean perfect.

00:23:53.000 It doesn't mean performance, not performance based.

00:23:55.000 It's my eyes are on you.

00:23:57.000 So, Abraham said, I don't want anything to do with Sodom making me rich.

00:24:02.000 Get out of my face.

00:24:04.000 I trust everything to God.

00:24:06.000 I don't need the wealth, I don't need all that.

00:24:09.000 Do you know that the Christian religious, not just the Christian, but the religious world has more wealth, more property than the entire state of Texas worldwide, and more wealth than the top 10 tech companies put together, and 50% more than the top six oil companies in the U.S. put together? 0.61

00:24:33.000 The religious world is very, very wealthy.

00:24:35.000 They're sitting on immense amounts of real estate.

00:24:38.000 They own 2% of the world's wealth.

00:24:42.000 They would be 15th in the line of GDP.

00:24:45.000 I mean, talking annual income.

00:24:47.000 They'd be the 15th ranked country. 0.80

00:24:49.000 And this is religion, right? 0.98

00:24:50.000 So they're not doing what Abraham did. 0.67

00:24:53.000 I will not let the king of Sodom make me rich.

00:24:56.000 I won't do it.

00:24:58.000 So then, chapter 15 is God walks through the pieces alone.

00:25:02.000 Well, that meant something to the Assyrians, the Hittites, you know, the entire organized world in that day.

00:25:10.000 That's how, for 1,500 years, that wasn't just some weird off cultic event.

00:25:15.000 That was.

00:25:16.000 International way to say, let's cut a deal, and I'm as dead as those animals if I break this deal. 0.92

00:25:24.000 That was important.

00:25:26.000 So God walked through that alone.

00:25:28.000 And Abraham said, What does that mean?

00:25:30.000 And he said, I'm asking you not, I will pay the price for this covenant.

00:25:35.000 I'll be the one to die.

00:25:37.000 I'm not going to ask you to die.

00:25:38.000 And this is what, you know, Pierce and edit that out if you want. 0.83

00:25:42.000 This is what those guys don't understand about Christianity.

00:25:45.000 It is not about your performance, it's about are your eyes on him?

00:25:51.000 He walked through the pieces alone.

00:25:52.000 And he did the same thing on Calvary.

00:25:56.000 He meant for us to know that he was the one that was risking his life.

00:26:01.000 And he's not this quid pro quo guy that, you know, you do this and I'll do this.

00:26:07.000 You do this and I'll do that.

00:26:09.000 And I said that to a bunch of guys this morning.

00:26:11.000 The covenant isn't, you know, I'll bless you this way or I'll curse you that way.

00:26:16.000 It's, I'll bless you this way.

00:26:18.000 And if you start going astray, I'll bring you back like an Abba.

00:26:22.000 Like a daddy.

00:26:23.000 I'll make you aware that you won't be drunk on your own success.

00:26:26.000 You won't be drunk on all your, you know, the good things that happen, the wealth and the women and all that stuff.

00:26:33.000 It doesn't matter.

00:26:35.000 I walk through the pieces alone.

00:26:37.000 And what I require of you, he says in chapter 17, I require that you be blameless, which does not mean perfect.

00:26:44.000 It means that you keep your eyes on me.

00:26:47.000 I want you to keep your eyes on me. 0.98

00:26:49.000 Look it up in the Hebrew.

00:26:51.000 And so that's our part.

00:26:53.000 That's faith.

00:26:54.000 It's not about performance. 0.75

00:26:56.000 The person that's a hypocrite can be absolutely flawless in their performance, and God says, No, I won't even hear your prayer.

00:27:02.000 The person who keeps their eyes on Him, and when they fail at a gas station or they fail in this situation or in that situation, like, No, my center of gravity is in God. 0.90

00:27:13.000 His blood washes me.

00:27:14.000 That's the good news of Jesus.

00:27:15.000 And the good news of the kingdom says, I need to grow from glory to glory by beholding Him and being transfigured by the Lord who is the Spirit.

00:27:23.000 The same thing that happened on the Mount of Transfiguration.

00:27:26.000 It's happening little by little inside of me. 0.95

00:27:28.000 Take off your shoes.

00:27:30.000 There's a bonfire.

00:27:32.000 I wish that would already be kindled, is what Jesus said.

00:27:35.000 I came to bring fire.

00:27:37.000 And that fire comes up from the inside, and that's his plan.

00:27:40.000 That is so little known in Christianity.

00:27:43.000 And community is a whole bunch of people that live that way.

00:27:47.000 It's not performance, it's not judgment, it's not this laissez faire, do whatever you want.

00:27:52.000 It's none of that.

00:27:53.000 It's how do we help each other find more and more God?

00:27:56.000 Hebrews 3 12 and 13.

00:27:58.000 As we help each other experience, as we Holy Spirit one another, admonish one another, encourage one another, warn one another, a lot of different translations.

00:28:07.000 But they're all the same Greek word.

00:28:09.000 And that is, as we're called alongside one another daily to show each other Jesus, the little tap on the shoulder, the hug without saying a word, like, oh, and we start crying.

00:28:20.000 That's the kind of community life we're talking about.

00:28:22.000 It doesn't have anything to do with natural resources and wealth and my job and my orange juice and my little circled up trailers in northern Minnesota.

00:28:31.000 That's not really what it's about.

00:28:33.000 Those things are a dime a dozen, they fail, you know, left and right.

00:28:37.000 People betray each other.

00:28:39.000 Then they talk about each other.

00:28:41.000 But when you give up your very life from the inside out and God comes to dwell mightily in you, man, there's nothing on earth or in heaven or under the earth that can separate us from one another.

00:28:53.000 That's community.

00:28:54.000 Hmm.

00:28:56.000 Hmm.

00:28:57.000 That was good.

00:29:02.000 That's 40 years of experience, too, by the way.

00:29:04.000 That book is not just some theory floated around, like from my engineering degree or from my Harvard.

00:29:12.000 Teaching and degree.

00:29:13.000 Oh, well, this is what the Bible says.

00:29:15.000 That's not what I'm saying.

00:29:16.000 I'm saying most things that we learn really in life, we learn through the reflection of our moments and our feelings and our fears and, like, why did I say that?

00:29:28.000 You know, the living and active word lays bare the motives of the heart.

00:29:31.000 It's not about rules, it's why did I do that?

00:29:35.000 You know, where is God in all of that?

00:29:37.000 The living and active word divides between, you know, soul and spirit, bone and marrow, which is hard to do.

00:29:44.000 But it shreds us from the inside and makes more room for the Holy Spirit day by day by day.

00:29:49.000 And if everybody lives that way and everybody helps each other live that way, then the decades roll by and things just get better and better and better.

00:29:57.000 And you watch your children and your children's children and you watch all of them growing up.

00:30:01.000 And you have a Micah, how old are you?

00:30:06.000 Seven.

00:30:06.000 You have seven, eight.

00:30:08.000 Oh, he forgot. 0.54

00:30:09.000 You have eight year olds kind of doing what Jesus did at 12, right?

00:30:12.000 He mesmerized the Sadducees, the Pharisees, the Leaders in the temple, and that when Joseph and Mary lost him for a little while, but they were all amazed that the things he was saying just staggered them.

00:30:26.000 Well, as God lives inside of us, as Jesus, the master teacher, lives inside of us, and we shed all of the titles, we shed all of the formulas.

00:30:36.000 That doesn't mean you don't see each other, exactly the opposite.

00:30:40.000 Be called alongside one another daily, don't forsake the gathering of yourselves.

00:30:43.000 That has nothing to do with Sunday, there's nothing in context that says Sunday.

00:30:47.000 That, you know, it says consider how to spur one another on to love and good works, verse 24.

00:30:53.000 And by the way, be together as often as you can, verse 25.

00:30:56.000 Spurring one another on, it doesn't mean listen to a sermon or a homily and attend something.

00:31:02.000 It's not about symbolism, ritual on top of our already worldly life.

00:31:07.000 It's letting the world, I mean, why would they ask me to teach at Harvard if I was just some kind of weird monastic, you know, guy, some spiritual bug floating around in the air?

00:31:22.000 You know, you can be very pragmatic, halfway intelligent, and change the world with the Spirit of God, using those things as a platform, not as a dual life, but as an opportunity to shred people's minds.

00:31:36.000 They said to Paul, Your great learning has made you mad.

00:31:40.000 Who said that?

00:31:40.000 A king said that.

00:31:42.000 Your great learning has made you mad.

00:31:44.000 They were pretty impressed with the guy, right? 1.00

00:31:46.000 He was no idiot. 0.97

00:31:47.000 He wrote two thirds of the New Testament. 1.00

00:31:49.000 He was no idiot. 1.00

00:31:50.000 So we don't have to be idiots. 1.00

00:31:52.000 We can be unlearned and ignorant if that's. 1.00

00:31:54.000 Still have God. 0.94

00:31:55.000 Peter was that guy.

00:31:57.000 But Peter said, well, Paul, he writes some things that are a little bit hard to understand, but it's okay.

00:32:03.000 You know, Peter didn't always understand what Paul was saying, but it didn't matter because they were of the same spirit.

00:32:09.000 Not monastic.

00:32:12.000 Let's change the world.

00:32:13.000 As Gen Z would say, let's go. 0.95

00:32:20.000 Yeah, Andrew would like to say something. 0.93

00:32:21.000 Is that okay with you?

00:32:23.000 Of course.

00:32:29.000 Hey, Russell.

00:32:31.000 Hello.

00:32:32.000 Hey, I was really, when you mentioned, like, what do you do, you know, as opposed to the monasticism and the thing that came to my heart and mind, one of the things, and Michael touches on it quite a bit even in the book, but one of the things that's just been so lost in modern Christianity today, this whole idea of clergy, you know, within Catholicism, they call them priests, within Protestantism,

00:33:00.000 they call them pastor or whatever, and all of that.

00:33:04.000 But back to Peter, Peter was the one who said, You are a royal generation, a chosen generation, a holy priesthood.

00:33:16.000 And our job as Christians, somewhere along the way, that idea where we are called to be priests, that goes all the way back to what God first said, what he wanted of his nation Israel.

00:33:30.000 He said, I want to make you kings and priests.

00:33:34.000 But yet they blew it, they worshiped the golden calf, and it ended up that only the Levites became priests.

00:33:40.000 But his idea from the very beginning was for the whole nation to be priests.

00:33:44.000 And that same loss has happened today within the church that somehow this special class of clergy has happened.

00:33:53.000 But the idea that we are priests and working with each other every single day in our marriages, in our child rearing, in our jobs, and just the practicals of daily life.

00:34:07.000 There is so much more to do.

00:34:09.000 Somewhere along the way, the idea that the Great Commission was the Christian's main job, as opposed to Romans 8, 28, and 29, talking about being conformed to the image of Christ.

00:34:22.000 That is a big job, actually becoming conformed to the image of Christ, but that is a together kind of job that as I'm a priest to Michael, and he's a priest to me, and I'm a priest to my wife, and she's a priest to me,

00:34:37.000 and the children in our lives, Older people in our lives, as our lives really intersect and we're priests to each other, what Paul talks about being in the pains of childbirth until Christ is formed in you.

00:34:53.000 That is our job.

00:34:56.000 That is the work of a Christian, and it's a very practical thing.

00:35:02.000 And that's why going to services once a week, looking at the back of each other's heads and walking away, it's like, No wonder there's so much weakness within Christianity when that's what most people think Christianity is, versus the truth of being conformed to the image of Christ and helping each other in that process.

00:35:27.000 We are priests to each other, and it's a very, very practical thing.

00:35:33.000 Even recently, as I've been reading Ephesians 4, I mean, you could read Ephesians 4 all the way through, and if I had to take a summary of what I thought, System or ecosystem was about.

00:35:48.000 It is that church really needs to look like Ephesians 4, and specifically the sections there near the end where it talks about, you know, no longer infants being tossed to and fro, but that that building up and becoming more and more and more into the mature, full expression of Jesus Himself.

00:36:10.000 So well go, go do the the Samuel salt thing too, because you you brought that up, replacing Samuel with Saul.

00:36:18.000 You brought that up yesterday.

00:36:19.000 Yeah, we were talking about that because even though clergy has really created quite a bit of an injury to the church and has stolen the inheritance from the church, it's not that there's no place for leadership and giftedness and authority, even, but it's a healthy authority that God gives and that's not.

00:36:49.000 You know, the biblical picture, you see who Samuel was among the children of Israel.

00:36:59.000 And, but they're like, but we want a king.

00:37:02.000 So Samuel was authority.

00:37:05.000 He was a judge there, but it was born out of the spirit.

00:37:09.000 Whereas what Saul ended up becoming was something much more, much more of this earth.

00:37:18.000 And God told them what the consequences of that would be.

00:37:20.000 So it's not that within. 0.71

00:37:23.000 True Christianity and true expression of church that there's no authority, no leadership, no giftedness.

00:37:31.000 But it just isn't, has nothing to do with seminaries and accreditations and, you know, people being the man of the hour.

00:37:46.000 Michael posted a video recently just talking so strongly about how, you know, people talk about Jesus being king and yet you go to any given.

00:37:57.000 Service on a Sunday.

00:37:59.000 And it's like, what is Jesus' actual role here?

00:38:02.000 He's alive, but I mean, your country knows something about figureheads.

00:38:08.000 It's as if Jesus is just treated as a figurehead.

00:38:12.000 And they've not only practiced what's going to happen in this service, they have it all written down and they do it three times in a row for the 9 o'clock service, the 10 30 service, and the 12 o'clock service.

00:38:24.000 And Jesus is just missing because his real time lordship is just.

00:38:31.000 Out of that equation.

00:38:32.000 Anyways, he's a topic, but real time, not.

00:38:37.000 In my country, you would never get nor require three services.

00:38:41.000 Church attendance is not that high anywhere.

00:38:44.000 And in the church, whether it's the Church of England or the plethora of American instantiations of Christianity or the Roman, Baba Andrew, Catholic Church, it seems to me that the message has been subordinated to the agenda of nation and empire.

00:39:04.000 One thing I've thought of then is how Christ lives in spontaneity and in flow, even in the Gospels, taking teach an opportunity from what he encounters on the path and on his walk.

00:39:18.000 I'm pointing to Jake because it's Jake who first made this point to me that maybe he finds a mustard seed or notices a mustard seed, notices a mountain.

00:39:27.000 There's this idea of flow, that it's happening in time, that time is part of his milieu, his medium.

00:39:35.000 Not A frozen, static, solid, sturgid, turgid, dead, stagnant thing like a liturgical church with its kind of lapidary and engraved protocols.

00:39:49.000 I can feel and see a church that is a better reflection of his teaching and brings his living presence, honours his living presence, reflects his living presence.

00:40:06.000 I was thinking just then, Michael, about.

00:40:09.000 Some of the holiest people I met, some of the holiest people I met prior to coming to Christ were, for example, Amma, who's like an Indian.

00:40:19.000 She was a pauper in a fishing village in Kerala.

00:40:22.000 She had some mystical experience, and the Brahmin class appointed and anointed her, and now that village is an ashram.

00:40:30.000 And when I met her several times, Amma, this is a person of God.

00:40:34.000 You can feel it.

00:40:35.000 Now, whilst one would have to say that the scripture.

00:40:41.000 Whilst ontologically it contains the blueprint and recipe for all reality, so far as it could be understood or even detected by a human mind, it cannot be absolutely exhausted because it is a geographical hermeneutics.

00:41:01.000 The only things that are in here came out of that region during that time.

00:41:07.000 And if he says, I'm Alpha and Omega, and he's outside of time, I believe this, I believe God to be the.

00:41:13.000 The triune God that is hovering above the waters, the word through which all reality is created.

00:41:22.000 How then, if we accept this, do we approach the divine literature of, for example, the Hindu people who it seems to me have stories that appear to be mirror reflections of Christ?

00:41:41.000 And while people like to sometimes contemplate, did Jesus in that 50s?

00:41:45.000 Years go off and learn a bunch of yogic Indian teaching.

00:41:50.000 I say he is God, so he created all things and doesn't need to have a sabbatical or a wander in order to pick up information.

00:42:00.000 But this is what I want to say what is more likely that a God that is everything and created all reality has iterations, incarnations, appearances, parables, and stories that are sourced outside of this set of documents, this sacred, God breathed set of documents?

00:42:21.000 Or that God is geographically confined to the area of Mesopotamia and the subsequent region?

00:42:33.000 If he created the galaxies, if he flung the stars to the furthest reaches, and there's a lot of science that says the Big Bang mass out of nothing, you know, like that's nuts.

00:42:48.000 So that's not science.

00:42:49.000 So, what I'm going to say about that is if that's who came and lived for a while among us.

00:42:55.000 The word that was God, that he came and lived with us, if that's the story, and he walked on water, he controlled physics, and he controlled all the laws of the universe, even while he was here, just to prove his point.

00:43:12.000 If that's true, then the thing that I said to a director of the Graduate School of Design at Harvard, and her response was, Whoa.

00:43:20.000 She said, Well, what about the many roads leading up to the top of the mountain?

00:43:24.000 And she knows the Dalai Lama, and et cetera, et cetera.

00:43:28.000 And I said, They're plagiarists.

00:43:31.000 The fact that other people can speak truth doesn't mean that they originated that truth.

00:43:36.000 That originated before the creation of the world.

00:43:40.000 God poured out his wisdom and his life, the rain falls on the just and the unjust.

00:43:46.000 God allowed us to discover the parable of a raindrop, the parable of white as wool, white as snow.

00:43:51.000 You know, God created and his word, his logos, his life was far more reaching than any human language could ever contain.

00:44:01.000 So, the fact that a few people pick up on some wisdom over the course of the generations or the centuries and write it down, that doesn't make Socrates God.

00:44:09.000 That doesn't make Buddha God.

00:44:13.000 Those religions can have an element of truth to them.

00:44:16.000 They're not in competition with God, they're plagiarists, and I don't mean that in a mean way.

00:44:21.000 I'm just saying truth, He is truth.

00:44:23.000 I am the way and the truth and the life.

00:44:25.000 He is truth, and everybody else experiences a little bit of that.

00:44:30.000 He could turn stones along the road into sons of Abraham.

00:44:33.000 If you don't worship me, The trees will worship me.

00:44:36.000 Everybody sees that.

00:44:37.000 You know, creation, Romans 1 and 2.

00:44:40.000 Creation just screams, He is alive, He's alive.

00:44:43.000 And some deliberately forget.

00:44:46.000 And they worship the creation rather than the creator who's ever to be praised.

00:44:50.000 They push it out of their mind.

00:44:51.000 Their consciences are seared because they want to be gods.

00:44:54.000 We don't want this man to be king over us.

00:44:56.000 So we'll go la We'll try to explain our observations, become our God.

00:45:03.000 Instead of an author who designed the whole thing, makes us accountable.

00:45:07.000 We don't want to be accountable.

00:45:08.000 So, therefore, we'll have other explanations and we'll look at this truth and that truth just scattered to the wind and say, See, there are many roads leading up the same mountain.

00:45:17.000 That's not true.

00:45:18.000 He is the mountain, He is the road, He is the way, He is the door, and everybody else gets to see it.

00:45:23.000 You know, the sons of God, all of creation groans until the sons of God are manifest.

00:45:28.000 When we finally see what we're supposed to be with ever increasing glory and begin to take charge of our life as if we actually understand who we are and who He is that lives inside of us.

00:45:40.000 Then a whole lot of things will start to change.

00:45:42.000 But that's not a bunch of different philosophies that are competing with each other.

00:45:46.000 The Lord thy God is one.

00:45:48.000 Yes.

00:45:49.000 End of story.

00:45:50.000 Yes.

00:45:51.000 Yes, completely.

00:45:52.000 But we've got to wrap up for you.

00:45:54.000 But the Mahabharata and the Upanishads talk about celestial entities and cosmic battles and deities that are.

00:46:07.000 The story is.

00:46:10.000 Plagiarism is one way of looking at it, but another way of looking at it.

00:46:13.000 It's not like I'm not saying all roads, you know, like I'm not saying that at all.

00:46:16.000 I'm saying, yes, Jesus Christ is who he said he was, but just from a historical perspective, the way these documents were compiled, they didn't say, did anything go on in Iceland or Japan that we might want to look at, or anything go on?

00:46:32.000 It's geographically confined as a hermeneutic.

00:46:36.000 So I wonder, you know, especially when I'm thinking about the Nephilim and the fallen angels and the Ethiopian Bible and the books that are, you know, the Apocrypha.

00:46:50.000 There are obviously this God breathed, but is it possible that there are things that are part of the exact same story with the exact same King, Christ Jesus,

00:47:04.000 that were experienced elsewhere and for human institutional historical reasons, precisely the type that have led to the subsequent church being divided and a poor reflection and rich?

00:47:21.000 Is it likely that that potentially happened prior also?

00:47:26.000 And for that reason, we have a less complete understanding of his glory.

00:47:31.000 Because I'm thinking particularly of just like some of the people that I know that are devotees to Krishna, where it just sounds like they're using a different language to describe the same phenomena, particularly when the phenomena itself, you know, even in this conversation, we've got to several times, Michael, we've reached the edge of language's capacity when we're talking about quantum physics or inner.

00:47:53.000 Fountains or inner fires, you know, are we gonna go wave?

00:47:56.000 Are we gonna go particle?

00:47:58.000 Are we going to like where do we go when we start to feel the tension at the edge?

00:48:03.000 Epistemology is limited, ontology unlimited.

00:48:09.000 And like it, like so, there are.

00:48:11.000 And if our part of our function is to ensure, not to ensure, but to serve through our own surrender to him, his seeming desire for relationship and unity, I wonder how expansive and extensive and inclusive.

00:48:30.000 We might be with language.

00:48:31.000 That's all.

00:48:32.000 Not ever to the detriment or denial, you know.

00:48:35.000 Yeah.

00:48:36.000 Well, when Paul was in Athens, right, that was the hub of intelligence and their form of religion.

00:48:42.000 And he said, he didn't say, you guys are all wrong.

00:48:46.000 He said, you have an altar to an unknown God.

00:48:49.000 Let me fill you in a little bit on who that really is because you don't know.

00:48:52.000 He's unknown to you.

00:48:53.000 I will introduce you, right?

00:48:55.000 So I think everything is a bridge.

00:48:57.000 If we love people, it's a bridge that doesn't change the truth.

00:49:01.000 But everything we see is a bridge.

00:49:03.000 That's why.

00:49:04.000 You know, I'm talking to atheists and Muslims and Hindus, you know, pretty much every day of my life and half for years.

00:49:12.000 And I don't have any problem with that.

00:49:13.000 And they don't have any problem with me.

00:49:15.000 But I'm not changing truth for them.

00:49:17.000 I'm using the altar of the unknown God to say, He's here.

00:49:22.000 He's among us.

00:49:23.000 He's inviting you to a party.

00:49:26.000 And you're going to get let down again and again with these other things.

00:49:29.000 They're just, you know, Beelzebub.

00:49:32.000 It's the Lord of the flies buzzing around.

00:49:34.000 It's a distraction.

00:49:35.000 Focus with me a minute.

00:49:36.000 I'm inviting you.

00:49:37.000 I'm not.

00:49:38.000 Fighting, I'm not contradicting, I'm not arguing.

00:49:41.000 I'm just saying there's an altar to an unknown God.

00:49:45.000 Come on, come to the party.

00:49:46.000 And it is very, you'll see even in the beginning of that book, if you look at some of those QR codes, to the atheist, to the church kid, the QR codes all lead to videos, pretty much all of them.

00:49:58.000 And it's to the Nobel Prize winners, to the foolish and the insane, to the princes and the kings, there's an invitation to everyone.

00:50:08.000 It's not just this religious thing, right?

00:50:11.000 So there's a wisdom that's beyond all of that.

00:50:14.000 And I think that sounded like to me the point you were making that there's a wisdom that just is incomprehensibly larger than competing world religions depending on your birth area code or your birth country code.

00:50:28.000 That's nonsense.

00:50:29.000 But that doesn't mean there isn't truth.

00:50:31.000 That just means those are bridges to the truth, the man, Jesus Christ, who leads us to the Father.

00:50:38.000 And that's the truth.

00:50:40.000 He's the truth.

00:50:41.000 But you've got to get there by a bridge.

00:50:42.000 You can't, you know, that river is impassable by human effort.

00:50:47.000 And he became that bridge and then he showed us that bridge.

00:50:51.000 And these other things, I'm not, you know, intimidated by them. 0.99

00:50:55.000 I'm not aghast that they would be so foolish to be this or be. 0.94

00:50:59.000 No, these are all bridges. 0.99

00:51:00.000 Everybody has a sense of truth.

00:51:02.000 Pascal's God shaped vacuum in every man's heart, right?

00:51:06.000 We're all screaming on the inside.

00:51:06.000 Yeah.

00:51:08.000 And if we say that, you know, well, what's in the Bible is sufficient because God would be perfect.

00:51:13.000 Capable of handling the Council of Nicaea and ensuring that the right books were included, then by the same rationale, God would be perfectly capable of ensuring that the people in the Himalayas would be in receipt of the information He would want them to be in receipt of.

00:51:29.000 And when He does say, like, there are, it does seem there's, you know, if you're not for me, you're against me, but He does also say, if you're not against me, you're for me.

00:51:37.000 And like a lot of these people, these holy men.

00:51:38.000 He said both, absolutely.

00:51:40.000 Yeah.

00:51:41.000 Like a lot of the very holy people that I've met.

00:51:44.000 They are, I feel the God in them.

00:51:46.000 I feel it.

00:51:47.000 I feel the God in them.

00:51:48.000 I know that they know Jesus in the way that I did that day.

00:51:52.000 And even before I knew him, this is the thing, Michael.

00:51:54.000 Before I knew him, you know, he knew me.

00:51:57.000 He knew what was going on.

00:51:58.000 He let me do all of that stuff.

00:52:00.000 He knew when the timing was right.

00:52:02.000 Like, he, at any point, you know, I heard of Jesus, like everyone, when I was five or four or whatever it is, when people tell you, oh, yeah, Jesus, nativity play, all that stuff.

00:52:11.000 But in the country that I'm from, they flatten it out and deaden it and make it like wallpaper.

00:52:15.000 It's not a living three dimensional.

00:52:18.000 They give you two dimensions, they make it two dimensions.

00:52:21.000 They deny the third axis.

00:52:23.000 Anyway, look, I've got to go because I've got to go to a gas station and apologize to some construction workers.

00:52:27.000 It's a long story.

00:52:29.000 Good on you, mate.

00:52:30.000 Good on you.

00:52:31.000 Love it.

00:52:31.000 Where are you?

00:52:33.000 Right now, a few days ago, I was in D.C., got a house there.

00:52:38.000 Right now, I'm in Knoxville, Tennessee.

00:52:41.000 Will you be here again?

00:52:43.000 Yes.

00:52:44.000 Absolutely.

00:52:46.000 Well, I'll see you then, will I?

00:52:48.000 I certainly hope so.

00:52:50.000 I'd like that.

00:52:52.000 I would love that.

00:52:53.000 Is there anything I can do for you or for anybody?

00:52:56.000 You want to save me a seat next to Tucker in October?

00:53:01.000 You've got more people pulling for you than you know.

00:53:03.000 You have no idea how many people are working on your behalf, on Jesus' behalf.

00:53:10.000 The story is what matters.

00:53:11.000 And I think a redemption story is way better than the good little girl and good little boy that just never ventures into the unknown.

00:53:22.000 So, I mean, I've got my history.

00:53:24.000 You've got yours.

00:53:25.000 A lot of people.

00:53:26.000 There's people in this room that have histories that are uglier than either one of ours.

00:53:31.000 And it's what we do with the minute.

00:53:34.000 It's not what happened in the past.

00:53:35.000 And he walked through the pieces alone, right?

00:53:39.000 You're not responsible for that covenant.

00:53:41.000 He walked through the pieces alone.

00:53:43.000 Your job's to keep your eyes on him, to be blameless by being faithful.

00:53:48.000 And that's the story, whether it's October or 100 Octobers from now, that's still the story.

00:53:55.000 Thank you, man.

00:53:58.000 Thanks, Michael.

00:53:58.000 I appreciate that.

00:54:01.000 Enjoy talking to you.

00:54:03.000 It's been fun.

00:54:04.000 I'm going to text you anytime.

00:54:05.000 Thank you.

00:54:06.000 Thank you to all of you.

00:54:06.000 God bless you.

00:54:06.000 Thank you.

00:54:07.000 Anytime at all.

00:54:08.000 A lunch or, you know, a trip to Switzerland to break bread before the fall, you know, whatever.

00:54:17.000 Anything you want to do.

00:54:19.000 Thank you very much.

00:54:19.000 I'd enjoy your company.

00:54:21.000 And lots of love to Andrew and everyone else in the room.

00:54:21.000 Yes, I enjoy yours too.

00:54:24.000 Thank you.

00:54:27.000 Remember, we're devoted now to ensuring that we cover the news in a different way, optimistically, open heartedly, with one eye always on, in fact, both eyes should be on our Lord, that we may.

00:54:40.000 Contribute meaningfully to this conversation rather than just peddling our way through the endlessly pessimistic news cycle.

00:54:48.000 Have a look at what happened when Joe McCann, our reporter, attended the United Kingdom march.

00:54:56.000 So, about 45 minutes away from the start of the march.

00:54:59.000 So far, things seem pretty peaceful.

00:55:01.000 A lot of Christians here, a lot of priests here, which I didn't expect to see.

00:55:04.000 My name is Atena.

00:55:05.000 Atena, nice to meet you.

00:55:06.000 Where are you from?

00:55:07.000 Iran.

00:55:08.000 Yes.

00:55:08.000 You're from Iran?

00:55:09.000 What brings you out here today for the United Kingdom?

00:55:11.000 To support.

00:55:14.000 English people against QRS Summer because QRS Summer didn't put IRGC terrorists in the terrorist group.

00:55:26.000 And QRS Summer at the moment supports IRGC terrorists in Iran.

00:55:33.000 And you know, that regime, Islamic Republic of Iran, killed more than 40,000 people just in two days.

00:55:43.000 Islamic Republic. in Iran is dangerous for all our world, for UK, for America, for all our world, you know. 0.95

00:55:51.000 And we want to, together, to support in UK people and Iranian people. 0.73

00:55:59.000 Alright, Harry, how are you doing?

00:56:01.000 I've been told to have a web here.

00:56:02.000 What brings you to get behind the United Kingdom movement?

00:56:04.000 Because I'm not happy with Starmer. 0.94

00:56:07.000 He's a puppet and I can't stand him. 0.88

00:56:10.000 Every time I turn the telly on and he's there, I feel absolutely sick looking at him.

00:56:14.000 I was born in London.

00:56:15.000 I left when I was 12.

00:56:17.000 I lived in Crystal Palace.

00:56:18.000 That's why I lived. 1.00

00:56:19.000 Whites only then. 1.00

00:56:20.000 No more. 1.00

00:56:21.000 It's terrible. 0.99

00:56:23.000 I'm not racist, but it's just, I like Britain to be burnt. 1.00

00:56:27.000 Oh, the refugees. 1.00

00:56:29.000 You don't know what they're doing. 1.00

00:56:30.000 They've raped people, murdered people. 1.00

00:56:32.000 I hate it. 1.00

00:56:34.000 Harry.

00:56:34.000 What's your name?

00:56:35.000 You live here, Harry?

00:56:36.000 London.

00:56:36.000 London, yeah.

00:56:37.000 So I'm just having a look at this carnival, which is joyful and pleasant and polite and full of families and seems really nice.

00:56:45.000 It's quite a wide variety of people here, isn't it?

00:56:47.000 All sorts of different demographics and whatnot.

00:56:49.000 Lots of different flags.

00:56:51.000 There's quite a lot of Iranian and Israeli flags as well, which is interesting.

00:56:55.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

00:56:56.000 It's a very diverse crowd.

00:56:58.000 But I mean, what would you say is the one thing that brings everyone together here?

00:57:01.000 This is beautiful.

00:57:02.000 Yeah, no, this is about uniting the kingdom and they're on it.

00:57:05.000 It's absolutely right.

00:57:07.000 It's just a good day out for families and it's fun.

00:57:10.000 Bit of national pride, I'd say.

00:57:11.000 Nothing wrong with that at all.

00:57:12.000 At that time, we don't really do that.

00:57:14.000 We don't do that well.

00:57:16.000 And it's like we need to do it a bit more.

00:57:17.000 Like Americans would understand what we're doing.

00:57:20.000 They know about what it means to wave a flag.

00:57:23.000 And we need to do a bit more of that if we care about our culture.

00:57:26.000 I think people are getting a little fed up that that thing that Starmer did last night, coming out calling everyone here a racist thug.

00:57:34.000 I mean, are you joking?

00:57:36.000 I mean, do you not know the British people?

00:57:38.000 I might not have come unless I saw that.

00:57:40.000 It's like, why are you doing that?

00:57:41.000 I don't quite get why the media can't just report what is happening.

00:57:46.000 That's why we're here.

00:57:47.000 It's a carnival, but it's a lovely day. 1.00

00:57:50.000 Like, this is a Christian.

00:57:51.000 The amount of Christians here is beautiful.

00:57:53.000 I guess the only thing what I think could cause, potentially cause division, is we do have a lot of Muslims in the UK.

00:58:01.000 How do we all come together? 1.00

00:58:03.000 I think the way to do that is to stop the illegal end of it.

00:58:07.000 To let everyone know that refugees are welcome if you're a refugee.

00:58:11.000 You can't come from France and claim refugee status.

00:58:14.000 Fair enough. 1.00

00:58:15.000 That follows.

00:58:16.000 Yeah, come in, but come in the right way.

00:58:18.000 Because at the end of the day, we're built on migrants and whatnot. 1.00

00:58:21.000 And I'm not going to look at you and judge you and think are you X or are you Y I know that you're yeah and I think that's the way forward there we go we're in motion Leave his fucking women alone, yeah? 1.00

00:58:43.000 Leave him alone! 1.00

00:58:44.000 Leave his women alone! 1.00

00:58:47.000 Fucking leave him alone, yeah? 1.00

00:58:49.000 Leave him! 1.00

00:58:51.000 I run a metal detecting channel called Detector Talk on TikTok.

00:58:51.000 Listen!

00:58:57.000 I find ancient history.

00:58:59.000 Thank you, bro, yeah?

00:59:01.000 You're a pure British picture, right, yeah?

00:59:03.000 I love my country and all my children.

00:59:06.000 Good night, God bless.

00:59:07.000 Well, it looks like this is going to be a tricky bit.

00:59:09.000 They're trying to hold the line.

00:59:11.000 side, hold the line that side and then we're all going down this road here.

00:59:14.000 The problem is, we ain't racist, we're here for our country.

00:59:17.000 We ain't being racist, we're trying to fight.

00:59:19.000 But have a look.

00:59:20.000 I don't care if you don't report it or you don't, but have a look.

00:59:23.000 Look at Keir Starmer's army.

00:59:23.000 Look at the evil faces.

00:59:26.000 All against us.

00:59:27.000 And what are we here for?

00:59:28.000 We're here for being English and being proud.

00:59:31.000 We're here for our country.

00:59:32.000 We're here for being English.

00:59:34.000 England!

00:59:35.000 So have a look.

00:59:36.000 Have a look. 1.00

00:59:37.000 Look at your little Turkish teeth. 1.00

00:59:39.000 Nice teeth.

00:59:40.000 But look at Keir Starmer's army, look.

00:59:42.000 Crowd management's on point.

00:59:44.000 No arrests as of yet.

00:59:45.000 Not that I can see anyway, but that fella looks like he's going to get himself nicked in a minute.

00:59:57.000 The stewards think they're undercover lefties. 1.00

00:59:59.000 I think they're just pissed idiots. 1.00

01:00:02.000 Where are you from? 1.00

01:00:03.000 South London.

01:00:04.000 South London.

01:00:04.000 Millwall?

01:00:05.000 Yeah.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, I thought so.

01:00:06.000 I'm not really political, but I've come here.

01:00:09.000 Three different generations of my family fought for this country.

01:00:11.000 Five served in national service.

01:00:14.000 And I've got six kids.

01:00:16.000 And I can just see the country going downhill badly.

01:00:20.000 And my kids will all be paying for it in their taxes for the rest of their life if this doesn't get sorted out.

01:00:24.000 The Keir Starmer's saying it's all far right, racist, and there's going to be lots of violence and all that, but it doesn't seem to be the case to me.

01:00:30.000 I wouldn't have bought my son.

01:00:31.000 I bought my son, it's family day out, and hopefully that'll be reflected in the media.

01:00:35.000 Russell Brand is running for mayor of London in 2028.

01:00:39.000 What's he got to do to get your vote?

01:00:41.000 The comedian.

01:00:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm telling you.

01:00:43.000 There you go, guaranteed laughs.

01:00:45.000 Where are you from?

01:00:48.000 I'm not telling you.

01:00:49.000 Oh, come on.

01:00:50.000 Have a guess.

01:00:50.000 Are you from Britain?

01:00:51.000 Of course.

01:00:52.000 Manchester?

01:00:53.000 Yeah!

01:00:53.000 Of course.

01:00:54.000 I'm going to tell you how I feel about it today.

01:00:56.000 I'm here, I'm a big City fan, and I should be going to Wembley, but I love my country.

01:01:01.000 Arsenal.

01:01:02.000 And so what? 0.99

01:01:03.000 We're going to fucking win the Premier as well, you come. 1.00

01:01:14.000 Immigration makes Britain brilliant. 1.00

01:01:16.000 I think that's probably going to get turned over in a minute, isn't it?

01:01:20.000 You see how they're trying to stop this march today?

01:01:23.000 We had two million people six months ago, 25 people were nicked.

01:01:28.000 At Palestine marches, every week, there's 300 get nicked.

01:01:33.000 Not in El Carnival. 1.00

01:01:34.000 Two murders, all the old shit. 1.00

01:01:36.000 Now here they've got tanks here, they've got eye recognition and all facial recognition. 1.00

01:01:41.000 No trouble.

01:01:42.000 Look, all lovely people, women, children.

01:01:44.000 And the Keir Star was saying we've got right wing agitators and all that.

01:01:48.000 Does she look like right when they entertain her?

01:01:50.000 All races, all races are here.

01:01:51.000 All races, everyone's here Iranians, Scottish, there's even some Welsh here.

01:01:56.000 How about that?

01:01:58.000 We're with them.

01:01:59.000 Unite the kingdom.

01:02:00.000 Unite!

01:02:00.000 We want our country back.

01:02:02.000 Want to talk us through your banner?

01:02:04.000 Yeah, well, it's quite clear.

01:02:05.000 Hotels check in by Keir Starmer.

01:02:08.000 No free speech, which was proven just the other day.

01:02:12.000 Scrap the winter and keep our girls safe.

01:02:14.000 I think the flag says it all.

01:02:16.000 It's ridiculous what this country is turning into.

01:02:19.000 Keir Starmer, two days, come on TV, Sand. 1.00

01:02:22.000 Everybody on this march are racist people. 0.94

01:02:25.000 Look at the colour. 0.97

01:02:26.000 Let's ask your cameraman.

01:02:27.000 Has he had any issues here? 1.00

01:02:29.000 He's black. 0.83

01:02:30.000 This ain't about being racist. 0.90

01:02:32.000 It's about being Great Britain and keeping our country and our culture the way it was.

01:02:38.000 You're a fan?

01:02:39.000 I am, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:02:41.000 He speaks a lot of truth.

01:02:42.000 He does indeed.

01:02:44.000 What do you reckon?

01:02:44.000 Mayor of London 2028?

01:02:46.000 Rupert Lowe.

01:02:47.000 You reckon?

01:02:47.000 Oh, mate, it's got to be.

01:02:49.000 It's got to be Rupert.

01:02:51.000 Reform?

01:02:52.000 Reforms say the right thing.

01:02:53.000 You know, Russell's running for mayor.

01:02:55.000 Is he?

01:02:56.000 He is indeed, 2028.

01:02:57.000 Well, there we go.

01:02:58.000 That's probably the answer.

01:03:00.000 I believe so.

01:03:00.000 He speaks the truth.

01:03:01.000 He's not afraid to speak the truth.

01:03:03.000 And he's not afraid to speak what people don't want to hear, but what they need to hear.

01:03:07.000 And I think that's what we need.

01:03:08.000 It's what we're crying out for by the look of things.

01:03:10.000 Well, yeah, I mean, the flags, the amount of people, the unity, the Iranian and English coalition here is just incredible to see today.

01:03:18.000 So, Russell Brand's running for mayor of London.

01:03:21.000 2028.

01:03:22.000 Has he got your vote?

01:03:23.000 Absolutely.

01:03:24.000 I come from Luton, same place as Tommy.

01:03:26.000 It's like you've got to respect it, really, ain't it?

01:03:30.000 So he sees us that we're struggling, we don't have a voice to stand on, and he's, you know, he's put it out there for us.

01:03:37.000 I thought I'd have a better idea of what's going on, I've got less of a clue now.

01:03:41.000 What's going on here, man?

01:03:42.000 Just through your flag, what is that flag?

01:03:44.000 It's the flag of St David.

01:03:45.000 Oh, is it?

01:03:46.000 Yeah, it's the proper Welsh flag.

01:03:48.000 Oh, I've never seen it before.

01:03:49.000 St George, St Andrews.

01:03:50.000 Yeah, so that's the flag of St David.

01:03:52.000 Yeah.

01:03:53.000 On a mad hit, like, I thought I'd have a better idea of what's going on, I feel a bit more confused.

01:03:57.000 You've got like.

01:03:58.000 Iranian flags tied to American flags tied to Israeli flags.

01:04:03.000 It's baffling, isn't it?

01:04:04.000 And then I see this flag and I thought, I don't even know what that flag is.

01:04:07.000 So I better go and ask him.

01:04:08.000 It's been one of the best days ever.

01:04:10.000 Like the traffic, the policing.

01:04:13.000 All going how you thought it would.

01:04:14.000 The police have been amazing.

01:04:16.000 There's been no trouble.

01:04:18.000 I ain't seen no trouble.

01:04:20.000 I've been having a look.

01:04:21.000 All seems pretty calm, doesn't it?

01:04:22.000 Where's this?

01:04:23.000 Is this the end point of the march now?

01:04:25.000 No.

01:04:25.000 Where's the stage?

01:04:26.000 It's out of Whitehall now.

01:04:29.000 I said, it turned out in numbers of Whitehall already.

01:04:31.000 I thought everyone was here. 0.99

01:04:32.000 For the march and then meet there, but fucking hell, they've like gone straight to the source. 1.00

01:04:38.000 These are the Iranians, aren't they? 0.99

01:04:41.000 And they're getting it harder than the English. 0.99

01:04:43.000 They're on the front line of fighting the Muslims, isn't it? 1.00

01:04:47.000 And I think that's the royal symbol rather than the symbol. 1.00

01:04:51.000 The national flag.

01:04:52.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:04:54.000 I think, yeah, yeah.

01:04:56.000 I mean, we're here to do, we're here to stand up for ourselves.

01:04:59.000 We're here to look after our children, right?

01:05:01.000 We're here to show that we're not asleep, right? 1.00

01:05:04.000 We're not idiots. 0.98

01:05:06.000 I won't swear. 0.97

01:05:07.000 We're not idiots. 0.97

01:05:09.000 And we will stand together. 0.98

01:05:10.000 We will come together.

01:05:11.000 Right? 0.98

01:05:11.000 And it's not about nationality and race and all that shit, it's not. 0.98

01:05:15.000 Right? 0.97

01:05:15.000 If you come here, you want to integrate, yeah? 0.97

01:05:18.000 You want to work, you want to contribute, and you want to look after us, right?

01:05:21.000 And come part of us, right?

01:05:23.000 If you want to come here and try and dictate us and tell us how we want to live in our country, we ain't got time for that. 0.80

01:05:29.000 My wife is white, Scottish, foreign bred, yeah?

01:05:32.000 Australian, yeah? 0.94

01:05:35.000 When you start using the words like right wing and left wing, that is where the division.

01:05:41.000 That's the vision.

01:05:43.000 This is what they want to say.

01:05:45.000 Stay away from that.

01:05:46.000 Russell Brand, in my opinion, right?

01:05:48.000 I'll tell you what, the lad's a very intelligent man.

01:05:50.000 Very intelligent man, right?

01:05:52.000 A lot.

01:06:00.000 The tech bros, all these people, they're the ones that are paying for all of this and they're the ones that are dividing us.

01:06:21.000 So, as part of Russell's manifesto, right, is to use the new technology that's available to decentralise power.

01:06:29.000 Exactly.

01:06:30.000 To decentralise power, right?

01:06:32.000 So, for example, right?

01:06:33.000 I agree with you.

01:06:36.000 For example, you're going to have an app.

01:06:38.000 If you live in London, you have an app.

01:06:40.000 Whatever borough you're in, do you want ULES cameras in your area?

01:06:44.000 Go on the app, you won't know.

01:06:46.000 In your area, no to you, Les.

01:06:47.000 That's been decided.

01:06:48.000 Then you take that out of the budgets.

01:06:50.000 Now we're not paying for them cameras.

01:06:51.000 That's how it's going to work.

01:06:53.000 So you can't really go wrong with that, I don't think.

01:06:56.000 It's not even about him.

01:06:57.000 He's giving people the power to make their decisions.

01:06:59.000 So you've got the boats, P, the Philly, this, that, and the other. 1.00

01:07:02.000 Brave gangs, all that shit. 0.97

01:07:03.000 They're using all of that and behind the scene, they're bringing in this decentralisation of power. 0.99

01:07:10.000 That's it.

01:07:11.000 And the billionaires are the ones who are going to run away with the carrot and the carrot.

01:07:15.000 We're not making our kids think it's okay.

01:07:18.000 That's what it's all about.

01:07:19.000 We're not making our children think it's okay for this to happen.

01:07:23.000 And making our children think, I mean, it looks like we've got good numbers here today, and we're bound to see a change, surely.

01:07:34.000 Surely, so there you have it.

01:07:41.000 I'm Joe McCann, just your average Joe, normal fellow with a microphone and a cameraman, signing out from all this.

01:07:47.000 I'm not sure I'm in any way more educated politically with all the different.

01:07:52.000 Flags and whatnot, but it seems like everyone is here at national pride.

01:07:56.000 General consensus is get Keir Starmer out, we need a change in government and unite Britain.

01:08:02.000 I'm back, sir, in because it took fucking ages to try and get a press pass there.

01:08:05.000 So I'm going home. 0.93

01:08:06.000 God bless.

01:08:10.000 Hey, remember every week, me and my wife Laura do Sunday service, church how we think church could be done, intimately, openly, to exploring the message of Christ and what it's like to be a human together.

01:08:22.000 Have a look at this.

01:08:32.000 I can't get the hymn, Make Me a Channel of Thy Peace, out of my head, though.

01:08:36.000 So now I'm going to be finding it.

01:08:39.000 Is it at your school?

01:08:40.000 It was at my school, yeah.

01:08:41.000 And it was actually a very well, actually, I think it was.

01:08:43.000 I don't think I'd like that hymn.

01:08:45.000 I can tell you that.

01:08:46.000 It's really lovely.

01:08:47.000 You know those ones that are not proper.

01:08:49.000 Like, so many hymns.

01:08:50.000 I think they sound like they're making it up on the spot.

01:08:52.000 Like, there are some good ones.

01:08:54.000 No, it is a good one.

01:08:56.000 I'm going to try and find it later.

01:08:57.000 I'm going to do some good ones and invite her to sing it.

01:09:00.000 But here are some good ones.

01:09:01.000 Go on.

01:09:02.000 Hand me down that silver trumpet, Gabriel.

01:09:05.000 Hold on a minute.

01:09:06.000 That's what they say at my school.

01:09:07.000 Okay, ready for this?

01:09:09.000 I am the Lord of the Dance of He and will lead you all wherever you may be and I'll lead you all in the Dance of He.

01:09:14.000 How about this one?

01:09:15.000 And was Jerusalem gilded here in England's green and pleasant lands?

01:09:22.000 Great hymns.

01:09:23.000 Now do your one.

01:09:24.000 I bet it sounds like you're making it up right now.

01:09:27.000 Okay, hold on.

01:09:29.000 Well, first of all, this.

01:09:30.000 Make me a channel of my peace.

01:09:32.000 And it's a bit like that.

01:09:33.000 There is hatred, let there be hope.

01:09:36.000 Okay, hold on.

01:09:37.000 No, the one, the real. 0.99

01:09:38.000 Rubbish. 1.00

01:09:39.000 I'm not saying that those words are rubbish. 1.00

01:09:40.000 I'm saying it sounds like it's been made up on the spot.

01:09:42.000 Because you think they're trying to fit too many words into the.

01:09:45.000 Sort of, and they're prescriptive, and whoever's had to do it.

01:09:48.000 It's not Bernie Taupin and Elton John.

01:09:49.000 No.

01:09:50.000 Where Bernie provides the lyrics.

01:09:51.000 Do you know what the best one is?

01:09:52.000 Go on.

01:09:53.000 The Lord bless you and keep you.

01:09:54.000 Go on then, how's that going?

01:09:56.000 The Lord bless you and keep you.

01:09:59.000 The morning of haste to shine upon you, to shine upon you and behave.

01:10:04.000 I just don't remember the words, but it's really beautiful.

01:10:07.000 That was better.

01:10:08.000 Okay.

01:10:09.000 But, like, them hymns that sound like, don't you sometimes watch?

01:10:12.000 I'm actually embarrassed that that's going to be recorded now.

01:10:14.000 That's out there now.

01:10:15.000 That's getting clipped up for sure.

01:10:17.000 Oh, no.

01:10:18.000 Okay.

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01:10:21.000 I think The Lord Bless You and Keep You is always, that was the goosebumps song for us at school because it was the song that they played when we left school.

01:10:29.000 You'd have to play it.

01:10:30.000 What do you mean, graduated?

01:10:32.000 The choir would sing it when we left school, you know, sixth form.

01:10:37.000 And we would always sing it.

01:10:38.000 When you graduated, when you left.

01:10:39.000 Yeah, graduated.

01:10:39.000 Sorry, don't.

01:10:40.000 Not every night when you finish school.

01:10:42.000 Right, no.

01:10:43.000 See you in the morning.

01:10:45.000 Lord bless you and keep you.

01:10:46.000 Bye.

01:10:47.000 Bye.

01:10:47.000 See you in the morning.

01:10:49.000 No, it was the graduation song, and everyone cried.

01:10:52.000 I say.

01:10:52.000 And it's a beautiful song, Lord bless you and keep you.

01:10:54.000 And there's a very gorgeous choral version that you can find on Spotify.

01:10:58.000 And it's a tearjerker.

01:11:00.000 It really is, whether you graduated to it or not.

01:11:03.000 It's very, very emotional.

01:11:04.000 There was a point where Christian culture was the apex of all culture.

01:11:07.000 Obviously, you know, the cathedrals, the great Renaissance artworks of Michelangelo, Da Vinci.

01:11:15.000 All of the, one had to make this joke at this point, Ninja Turtles.

01:11:19.000 They all did such a thing, but leaving Caravaggio. 0.98

01:11:21.000 Then, at some point in modernity, Christian art becomes the worst. 0.98

01:11:26.000 Like, it becomes a bit like, you know, some of our friends, like Beloved Jake, who are like sort of lifelong Christians of the South out here, like, they're like always Christian movies, always rubbish, because when they can't ever bring themselves to properly demonstrate sin, because they won't do sin in their movie. 0.98

01:11:42.000 So, this guy's gone off the tracks. 0.89

01:11:44.000 He's smoking.

01:11:46.000 Cigarettes!

01:11:47.000 Oh no!

01:11:48.000 Johnny, think again!

01:11:49.000 You know, they won't show proper, the mad darkness.

01:11:52.000 Not so.

01:11:53.000 But it's coming back.

01:11:55.000 But people are making.

01:11:56.000 Well, because of Angel, you're saying.

01:11:57.000 Because of Angel Studios.

01:11:58.000 You've chosen Angel Studios.

01:12:00.000 You know, obviously, we're like in our home as well.

01:12:03.000 We're listening constantly, listening to like, you know, Brandon Lake and good Christian music.

01:12:08.000 Brandon Lake's amazing.

01:12:08.000 Cool Christian music.

01:12:09.000 Love it.

01:12:10.000 Real good stuff where it's like, you know, not only goosebumps, but you can really get into it and the kids get into it.

01:12:16.000 You and your pals.

01:12:17.000 Place a lot of importance, don't you, on the old goosebumps?

01:12:20.000 Well, actually, do you know I have a comment on that?

01:12:23.000 Laura, Rebecca Houghton, 4911.

01:12:26.000 Yeah.

01:12:27.000 Laura, do not ever dismiss the goosebumps.

01:12:30.000 Oh, no.

01:12:31.000 Holy Spirit speaking to you.

01:12:33.000 Hallelujah.

01:12:34.000 The Holy Spirit is talking for.

01:12:35.000 I'm getting around.

01:12:36.000 Here we go.

01:12:37.000 Holy Spirit.

01:12:37.000 Did you get around?

01:12:38.000 Yeah, I got around.

01:12:39.000 Did you get around?

01:12:40.000 Did you get in?

01:12:42.000 If we make merch law, it could say, Holy Spirit, did you get around?

01:12:46.000 Yes.

01:12:57.000 I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Michael Piers.

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