Stay Free - Russel Brand - When Trust Is Gone… What’s Left? — SF710

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00:00:34.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand action.

00:00:38.000 Russell.

00:00:39.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

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00:00:42.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:44.000 Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:47.000 We're live and we're with Joe Kent, former Special Forces officer, letter writer, whistleblower, whose insights on the current Iranian conflict appear to be changing the news narrative.

00:00:58.000 Even literally as we speak.

00:00:59.000 If you've got any questions for him, you can put them in the comments and chat.

00:01:01.000 And if you're watching this anywhere other than Rumble, come on over to Rumble and step outside of the sphere of control that increasingly I recognize as the realm of the evil one.

00:01:11.000 And I'm trying not to use too explicitly scriptural language.

00:01:14.000 I think it freaks people out, that kind of stuff.

00:01:16.000 In studio with me, as always, are Jake Smith, who's too well lit in my view.

00:01:21.000 Let's have a look at Jake.

00:01:22.000 Look at that.

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00:01:24.000 Dave Fields, who also works with.

00:01:28.000 Eddie Gallagher, whose name will be coming up in our conversation with the great Joe Kent, as Joe is one of the people that intervened in the misjustice that surrounded the Eddie Gallagher Navy SEAL.

00:01:39.000 I'm going to call it a farrago, although it does involve intrigue and murder. 0.76

00:01:42.000 Massey Radfar, Iranian, Canadian, Brit, who cuts our packages, is with us too. 0.99

00:01:48.000 And before we begin our conversation with Joe Kent, I want to remind you to get Rumble Premium if you don't have it yet.

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00:02:24.000 My guest today is, of course, Joe Kent.

00:02:26.000 If you didn't see his interview with Tucker Carlson, if you didn't see him being sworn in with the great Tulsi Gabbard, here's a package. to let you know a little something about Joe Kent.

00:02:34.000 Let's have a look.

00:02:35.000 Joe Kent is a former U.S. Army Special Forces soldier who served on multiple combat deployments before moving into intelligence work with the CIA.

00:02:43.000 His wife, Shannon Kent, was tragically killed in Syria in 2019 while serving alongside U.S. forces, a loss that profoundly shaped his path forward.

00:02:53.000 He later left government service and entered politics, running for Congress in Washington state with a focus on foreign policy and reducing U.S. intervention overseas.

00:03:03.000 Since then, he's become a voice questioning the direction of American leadership and long standing foreign policy assumptions, including US support for allies like Israel.

00:03:15.000 Also, Joe, and this seems like a childish place to start, there was a moment where you were one of them special forces guys that had long hair and a beard.

00:03:23.000 And I always think they're the best ones, I suppose, because of movies.

00:03:27.000 Joe, thanks for joining us.

00:03:29.000 What was going on during that long hair period?

00:03:31.000 I have Joe on my screen.

00:03:33.000 That's a great question.

00:03:33.000 Nice.

00:03:35.000 I might grow it back now that I'm no longer in government, but it was something of a status symbol.

00:03:40.000 If you were in special forces, the longer you could get away with growing your hair in general, the more elite you were.

00:03:45.000 So we took great pride in our hair in special forces.

00:03:49.000 Some insider knowledge there.

00:03:51.000 Yeah, thanks for that.

00:03:52.000 I've always somehow intuited with the SAS that the ones that are right, like got long beards and hair, they're the serious elite.

00:04:00.000 And I suppose, as well as being somewhat glib, the reason I bought it up is because of the obvious personal suffering.

00:04:07.000 Your commitment to the US military and your family's commitment has cost you.

00:04:12.000 And because when dealing with people that have been involved in politics, I kind of always feel that I'm dealing with someone that might be, I don't know, fundamentally dishonest.

00:04:22.000 I think a lot of people feel that these days.

00:04:23.000 Perhaps with the exception if they have a background in the forces, I have to always concede this is a person that's been willing to risk their life and, in your case, has paid that great, great, terrible price for your family's commitment.

00:04:36.000 So I recognize you're a person of integrity.

00:04:39.000 And I wonder, as this war continues to escalate, and as we discussed before the live show started, more troops are being committed.

00:04:46.000 The blockade continues, a blockade that you don't think will be successful.

00:04:50.000 How does your position on this important issue?

00:04:53.000 Which amounts to your belief, and it's a belief shared by a lot of people, that Israel has undue control over American foreign policy, affects your overall view of American politics and global politics?

00:05:06.000 Do you think that this is an anomaly, Israel's influence?

00:05:10.000 Do you think it's a temporal anomaly, or do you think this has always been the way politics has been?

00:05:16.000 And do you, like some of the guests I've spoken to recently, consider this to be the defining and most significant issue of our age, i.e., Israel's influence over American foreign policy?

00:05:26.000 Is certainly that's the position that's been significantly popularized by some of your revelations and public pronouncements.

00:05:32.000 And do you consider it to be defining?

00:05:35.000 And do you consider it to be a situation that's getting worse and isn't changing?

00:05:40.000 Yeah, I wish it was not that way.

00:05:42.000 However, basically, I'm 46.

00:05:45.000 The biggest event in my lifetime has been the attacks of September 11th. 0.92

00:05:49.000 And ever since then, our foreign policy in the Middle East has largely been at the behest of and benefited the Israelis. 0.91

00:05:57.000 Obviously, after 9 11, we went to Afghanistan to get Al Qaeda and to get. 0.76

00:06:00.000 The Taliban.

00:06:01.000 But in very short order after that, we were pushed into a war in Iraq that obviously had a lot of influence from the military industrial complex, the neocons here in the United States, but was heavily lobbied for by the Israelis.

00:06:13.000 And then every other decision we've made in the Middle East, all the other countries that we've gone to war with in the Middle East, it has benefited the Israeli government.

00:06:21.000 They have heavily lobbied successfully in our government.

00:06:24.000 They have great ties and great angles in through AIPAC, other lobbying organizations, to members of Congress.

00:06:31.000 Pretty much any politician seeking election, they need to get a significant chunk of support from the pro Israel lobby, the way the pro Israel lobby has really penetrated the media to create an echo chamber.

00:06:43.000 This is what I saw firsthand.

00:06:44.000 I was aware of this when I was in the military and when I was in the intelligence community as well.

00:06:49.000 But until I saw it up front and center in this last lead up to the conflict with Iran that we're in right now, from the perspective of being at the White House and in some of the rooms where the decisions were being made, I wasn't aware of their.

00:07:01.000 Full scope of the Israeli influence over our government. 0.86

00:07:05.000 So I think this is going to be a defining issue. 0.86

00:07:07.000 And it's becoming a defining issue because largely our president's bandwidth, for lack of a better term, their attention span and where they're putting a lot of resources, it's gone into these wars in the Middle East.

00:07:17.000 And right now it's no different.

00:07:18.000 President Trump came into the White House in 2025 with a mandate to fix our nation here in America, to get the illegals out of our country, to lower the price, the cost of living, the price of the pump, et cetera. 0.72

00:07:30.000 And now because we've decided to go off on another foreign adventure at the behest of a foreign government, we're now sucked back into. 0.69

00:07:36.000 So, unfortunately, I do have to agree that this is becoming a defining issue. 0.52

00:07:36.000 The Middle East. 0.52

00:07:41.000 Joe Kent, after 9 11, when the military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan kind of began in earnest and the Patriot Act was instituted and the world changed radically, people on the fringes then, it seemed to me at least, were hyper focused on the impact and influence of groups like Halliburton and perhaps.

00:08:06.000 Extra political affiliations of the likes of Rumsfeld and Cheney and even George W. In short, the perspective that most people had was in some ways comparable.

00:08:17.000 This war is corrupt.

00:08:18.000 It's not really about weapons of mass destruction. 0.87

00:08:20.000 It's about energy resources and getting control of Iraq. 0.56

00:08:24.000 There's no connection between Iraq and 9 11.

00:08:26.000 But the sort of inflection of where the power was and who was to blame, I know that the folks that have always thought Israel have an undue influence on global politics were likely out there.

00:08:38.000 But I don't remember those voices being nearly so prominent.

00:08:40.000 Indeed, most of the critiques were kind of anti capitalist critiques.

00:08:44.000 It's all to do with oil and resources. 0.54

00:08:48.000 Some would say that, like, after the 2008 crash, the kind of rise of Occupy and a different type of politics because of social media communication, even was necessarily just because of chronology, an evolution of that kind of despair at unjust wars and lies that the Iraq war kind of epitomised.

00:09:08.000 But people weren't then, to the same degree, although I know those voices would have been around, saying that was because of, I don't know, Zionism or Israeli expansionism, far less, you know, as people talk about now, occultist aspects of power.

00:09:22.000 So what has.

00:09:23.000 Meaningfully changed to stop the main critiques being leveled centering around economics and the control of resources and to be about the kind of extra national control exerted through AIPAC and other Israel forms of influence.

00:09:39.000 Why has that happened?

00:09:41.000 Have we learned more?

00:09:43.000 Has the tone changed?

00:09:44.000 Is it because the Republicans are generally pro commerce, corporatism, global capitalism?

00:09:49.000 Why, Joe?

00:09:52.000 Well, I think after 9 11, we were rightly focused on the effect the terrorist attacks had on.

00:09:58.000 Our country.

00:09:59.000 And then obviously, the Iraq war, like you pointed out, there was a lot of corporate interest there from the United States, Halliburton, et cetera.

00:10:05.000 So there were other people who, for lack of a better term, got their bread buttered as well.

00:10:10.000 However, there was this common thread of the Israeli government lobbying for us to take down these governments.

00:10:15.000 And this goes back to documents that were made public by the Israeli government the clean break strategy of how the Israelis were essentially going to be able to take out seven major countries in the region, go to war with them, topple their governments so that they could gain more control over Israel, take on More territory.

00:10:33.000 And basically, this is the campaign that kicked off with the Iraq war.

00:10:38.000 Once 9 11 happened, we had a heavy lobbying wing from Benjamin Netanyahu and others within the Likud government encouraging us to take down Iraq. 0.73

00:10:46.000 And then Iraq went the way it did. 0.73

00:10:48.000 Next thing you know, we're going to war with Syria, Libya, Yemen, et cetera. 0.59

00:10:52.000 And so basically, there was always this subtle undertone of the Israeli lobby.

00:10:55.000 It was pointed out by academics, it was pointed out by political dissidents.

00:10:58.000 However, this last iteration, the way the Israelis really came in super aggressive towards the Trump administration, lobbying for this war.

00:11:07.000 And the way this war was foisted upon President Trump and the way it was foisted upon the American people, I think people, even who weren't really paying attention to geopolitics, to the military industrial complex, they woke up one day and they said, hey, wait a sec, why are we going to war with Iran? 0.57

00:11:21.000 Even in the lead up to the Iraq war, there was about a year where the case was laid out for the American people.

00:11:27.000 This one just came in really, really hard and really fast.

00:11:29.000 And that's because I believe that the Benjamin Netanyahu government, the Lakhd government, and a lot of Israeli politics right now, they realize that this is.

00:11:37.000 Probably the last president from either political party, left or right, that's going to give them essentially a blank check to conduct operations at their behest and to give them this level of military support.

00:11:49.000 Post October 7th and what happened in Gaza, you're seeing a political awakening that started on the left and now it's happening on the right as well, where a lot of younger voters are saying, Why are we sending billions and billions of dollars to Israel, especially if Israel keeps getting us into all these conflicts that don't benefit our country?

00:12:05.000 So you're seeing a real sense of urgency from the Israelis, but that's kind of backfiring on them, I believe, because now.

00:12:11.000 More people are waking up and saying, like, why does Israel have this influence over us?

00:12:16.000 Why are we going to war with Iran?

00:12:17.000 No one explained this to me.

00:12:19.000 Why is gas surging up to an all time high right now?

00:12:22.000 Most people don't understand why we're doing this blockade, but they do understand that the price of the pump keeps going up.

00:12:27.000 The cost of living is going up. 0.89

00:12:28.000 So I do think we're living through a reverse effect of the aggressive campaign the Israelis have waged on our country in terms of influence. 1.00

00:12:36.000 And that's a good thing. 0.99

00:12:38.000 While some of the motifs that you just described, American reluctance to financially and militarily participate in conflict, That don't directly affect America.

00:12:51.000 Those themes have kind of, in a way, defined America for as long as your country's been the most powerful nation on the earth, you know, sort of basically from the First World War and certainly from the Second World War, kind of reluctance to participate in them conflicts.

00:13:05.000 And even more recently, when Ukraine Russia took over COVID as the global issue that people felt they were having a perspective prescribed to them for, like this, you have to support Ukraine if you don't, and Putin's going to rampage across the world, and is it like.

00:13:22.000 That there was the same sort of cynicism about supporting Ukraine and NATO and the UN and what the true origins of that conflict were.

00:13:32.000 So, in a sense, there are many themes that you're describing when it comes to Israel's influence on American politics that are sort of comparable to less contentious and less ideologically undergirded conflicts.

00:13:47.000 You know, like Ukraine is a hot, nasty scenario, of course, but it doesn't bear that very unique flavor that comes somehow.

00:13:55.000 With the compound of the arguments that surround a Judeo-Christian and even the use of that term these days. 0.59

00:14:02.000 So you said that things have changed and that's a really good analysis.

00:14:07.000 Thanks for explaining that because Israeli interests might assume that Trump's the last favorable president or at least this is the last era of American politics that's going to be operable in the manner that you're describing and that by your analysis they've enjoyed.

00:14:26.000 Is that because of?

00:14:28.000 Do you think that's significantly due to online media and an inability to control messaging that existed, you know, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, before the advent of mass communication?

00:14:40.000 Is that why?

00:14:43.000 I think that's probably the largest factor.

00:14:44.000 I mean, there's only so long that you can lie to people nowadays.

00:14:47.000 And all the pattern recognition that you laid out the war in Ukraine, COVID, et cetera.

00:14:52.000 And then also, just I think if you lived through 9 11, you lived through the war on terror, even if you didn't deploy overseas or serve in the military, You've seen this before.

00:15:01.000 You've seen us get involved in these conflicts, and our leaders will tell us we have to do this.

00:15:05.000 This is an existential fight for our own safety.

00:15:08.000 And then they just tend to drag on and they go nowhere.

00:15:11.000 And at the end of the day, we end up replacing the Taliban with the Taliban after 20 years. 0.97

00:15:15.000 We end up basically handing over, unfortunately, Iraq to the control of the Iranians. 0.98

00:15:20.000 And now we're fighting the Iranians again. 0.98

00:15:21.000 It never really makes a lot of sense, but we always end up sacrificing a lot in terms of blood and treasure, as cliche as that is. 0.98

00:15:29.000 Probably around 9 trillion in the war on terror.

00:15:32.000 And people understand that.

00:15:33.000 Even if they don't know the details, they know that we just, for some reason, can't avoid these wars in the Middle East.

00:15:39.000 And I really think, in general, the American people are done with that, especially the younger generation.

00:15:44.000 And then, like you said, social media just makes it so that all the lies and the propaganda are basically being debunked in real time.

00:15:51.000 Yeah.

00:15:52.000 It compresses time.

00:15:53.000 That's what it really does, isn't it?

00:15:55.000 That something that would have been disseminated over five years through pamphlets or literature, something that would have been deliberately congested and obfuscated.

00:16:04.000 by centralized media, whatever the issue, but that seems to be part of the function of centralized media is to congest and control information in alliance and partnership with the kind of interest that can now be opposed by independent media.

00:16:16.000 Time has become compressed.

00:16:18.000 These things can happen very, very quickly.

00:16:21.000 And that peculiar Gnostic martyr, Julian Assange, said of the Afghanistan conflict to which you refer, when you understand the point is not to end the conflict in Afghanistan, Afghanistan, but to perpetuate it because it's an economic model that allows the transfer of public funds into private hands. 0.70

00:16:42.000 His simple little maxim there makes so much sense.

00:16:45.000 And it's one of those little drops of wisdom that once you've heard it, you can't really unhear it.

00:16:51.000 And because of the communication technology that exists right now and that we are taking advantage of, these messages get spread a lot quicker.

00:16:58.000 Joe Kent will be talking to you, please God, if you choose to stay with us, a lot more.

00:17:02.000 I want to talk to you about the particularities of the strategy and the blockade.

00:17:06.000 Also, your life in the Special Forces, the particular potency of the grief and loss of your first wife, and how that impacts your position.

00:17:18.000 And by my reckoning, at least, fortifies it and verifies it.

00:17:23.000 And as well as allowing beloved Dave here, friend of Eddie Gallagher, and Jake here to ask their questions.

00:17:29.000 And of course, you, those of you that are in the comments in Rumble, if you have a question for Joe Kent, put it to us.

00:17:33.000 And even if it's like, you know, we read the comments.

00:17:36.000 Even if it's insensitive, even if it's hurtful to me personally, we will still read it.

00:17:41.000 But I will not tolerate anyone criticizing Joe Kent's hair.

00:17:46.000 That's off limits.

00:17:47.000 I've never seen such a natural root lift.

00:17:49.000 Have you seen that hair when it's long?

00:17:51.000 He looks like Jason Momoa.

00:17:52.000 It's unstoppable.

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00:19:07.000 Welcome back.

00:19:07.000 You are watching Russell Brand Stay Free or Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:19:10.000 Sometimes I get confused myself.

00:19:13.000 But hey, if the price is perfection, I guess I can't afford it.

00:19:15.000 Can I have Joe back on the screen?

00:19:18.000 Jake, I'll afford you the same largesse I would afford myself.

00:19:21.000 Hey, Joe, one of the things we were talking about is the efficacy of that blockade.

00:19:24.000 I can't pretend to understand them kind of stratagems.

00:19:27.000 One of the things people have been talking about in the broadest sense is the, I don't know, the campaign, the military campaign ain't working.

00:19:33.000 I see one really good video that was saying that Iran are double fleet footed using drones and speedboats, some sort of Miami Vice guerrilla warfare deal that they're ripping with right now.

00:19:44.000 So is it not going very well? 0.55

00:19:46.000 Militarily, Joe, and will the blockade of the Straits of Hammuz not ultimately be successful?

00:19:53.000 The short answer is that there's no real military solution to the problem that we have in Iran right now.

00:19:59.000 And also, the blockade how long are we going to do the blockade for?

00:20:03.000 We have three carrier battle groups over there right now.

00:20:05.000 The Iranians have been enduring economic hardship since at least 1979 due to our and the rest of the world's sanction regime against them.

00:20:13.000 They have proven to be very, very durable, as we've seen over the last 60 days of this war, the 12 day war, and everything else they faced, nearly the decade they fought against Iraq.

00:20:23.000 These are durable, prideful people.

00:20:25.000 So to think that us hurting their oil economy that's already been significantly crippled due to the blockade that's going to make them give President Trump all the things that he's demanding.

00:20:36.000 I just think that's unreasonable. 0.95

00:20:37.000 And it puts us at a great risk because the longer and the more forces we have over there, the more targets it presents to the Iranians. 0.95

00:20:44.000 And unfortunately, we've killed a lot of the moderates inside of Iran. 0.59

00:20:48.000 And so a lot of the guys in the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps, the military, they want the conflict to continue.

00:20:55.000 And so we're giving them the opportunity to suck us back into a longer war, which is not in our interest. 0.90

00:21:02.000 I say there's no military solution because Iran is a massive country. 0.98

00:21:05.000 They've built a very layered Defensive system through drones, through ballistics. 0.99

00:21:10.000 We've killed a lot of their conventional military.

00:21:11.000 We've killed a lot of their leaders, yet they're still there. 0.98

00:21:13.000 They're in the fight. 0.90

00:21:14.000 They've had, again, 49 or 47 years to basically develop this system.

00:21:19.000 They've been battle tested before.

00:21:21.000 So, unless we're willing to commit 20 years and a massive amount of ground troops, I don't think we'll be successful.

00:21:28.000 If we were to commit ground troops, I think that we would face a bloodbath.

00:21:31.000 I'm glad President Trump hasn't done that.

00:21:33.000 There's been people whispering in Trump's ear to commit ground troops.

00:21:35.000 I'm glad that he's resisted that so far.

00:21:38.000 I think that would be a catastrophic mistake.

00:21:41.000 But right now, us trying to just pressure them in this manner, it's just simply not going to work.

00:21:46.000 I think the sooner that we can get our forces out of the region and then engage in some back channel diplomacy with the Iranians and figure out a way that we can basically coexist and work with the government that's there in place, although it's not perfect, it is something that we can work with.

00:22:02.000 The sooner that we can recognize that, the less we'll bleed, the less we'll pay, and the sooner that we can get back to focusing on our country and re stabilizing the region.

00:22:11.000 Joe Kent, how do you reconcile analysis of military stratagems, the uniqueness of this situation, given that Iran, as you say, is a massive country with a history steeped in blood and conflict and can therefore endure, with the kind of deeper understanding that you appear to have because of your, you know, not only your military experience,

00:22:38.000 but your government experience and working with Tulsi Gabbard and indeed the incident that brought you to the forefront of.

00:22:44.000 Public and cultural life in this moment, your letter of resignation and your public confession, admission, critique that Israel has too much power and control over American foreign policy.

00:22:58.000 Because, in a sense, if that's what's really happening, then the military analysis becomes sort of somewhat secondary because that in itself is just sort of part of a kind of somewhat beneficial financial.

00:23:16.000 That could go on for 10 years or 20 years or whatever, and you know, Boeing get richer and Northrop Grumman get richer, and the kind of military industrial complex interests that we're all somewhat familiar with continue to benefit.

00:23:26.000 While presumably a set of political and geographical incentives that Israel have somewhat separate from America can be pursued and met.

00:23:37.000 Like, don't you like you're a person that's really passionate and enthusiastic about Trump, and since being in government, have obviously become to a degree disillusioned.

00:23:48.000 But I note that you refer to him.

00:23:50.000 Faithfully as Mr. President, and you know, respect the rank, not the man, and all that.

00:23:54.000 And I like that kind of way of life and that mentality. 0.93

00:23:58.000 I guess what I'm asking you is if real power, as most of us sort of now believe, is this kind of peculiar, mercurial, inaccessible power that might occasionally breach in the form of, oh, it's Israel.

00:24:15.000 It's Israel's ability through AIPAC to influence American foreign policy, or it seems to be somehow connected to these global bureaucracies that are able to endorse vaccines and achieve lockdowns across the world.

00:24:27.000 What I'm trying to say, Joe, is you've lived this sort of pretty unique life, CIA, being a spy, being a hero, being a long-haired elite Vidal Sassoon model level special forces guy.

00:24:43.000 And it seems like that the real truth that all of us are sort of ghosting around is about this knot or web of power that is able to control us.

00:24:53.000 And it don't matter if you have Kamala Harris as president or AOC or Donald Trump or Bobby Kennedy or JD Vance.

00:25:01.000 Power is going to do what it always does, and intuitively, the motion I come up with is the movement of a snake, a serpent on its belly, coiling through and around time.

00:25:13.000 Do you think that is the case?

00:25:14.000 And if that is the case, how do you pick a single issue to sort of focus on, even though it seems like you have been anointed or appointed or dealing with one?

00:25:25.000 Yeah, I mean, just from my life experience, serving heavily in the Middle East, like you said, losing my late wife there, I have been searching.

00:25:32.000 For a very long time, even before I lost my late wife, as to why and how we got into these conflicts.

00:25:37.000 I initially attributed a lot of it just to general incompetence, lack of knowledge, and then seeing just the sheer volume of influence from the military industrial complex.

00:25:47.000 I was disgusted, wanted to change it, believed in President Trump's message early on, both in 16 and basically throughout his entire campaign until about this last couple of months. 0.92

00:25:57.000 But seeing how Israel is the driving force here in the Middle East, I do think you're right, though. 0.98

00:26:03.000 I think that there is something bigger. 0.97

00:26:05.000 I feel like we got a little peek at it.

00:26:07.000 With the Epstein files, where there is something that supersedes governments. 0.75

00:26:12.000 And Israel might be the action arm, I guess, or the frontman for that to some extent for what we do in the Middle East.

00:26:19.000 Is it big business?

00:26:20.000 Is it the bankers?

00:26:21.000 That I don't know.

00:26:23.000 But I think we did get a glimpse with the way that Jeffrey Epstein was killed in prison.

00:26:26.000 And then the things that we've seen in the Epstein files.

00:26:29.000 I think the best thing we could do right now from a government perspective is just release the files completely unredacted, let it all go out there so that the whole world can have some transparency.

00:26:38.000 And so we don't.

00:26:39.000 Think because, like, right now it looks like our government is protecting that.

00:26:43.000 And I think that's wrong.

00:26:44.000 The American people voted for transparency.

00:26:46.000 They should get that.

00:26:47.000 I mean, but to your point, I do agree with you that it does seem like there is some serpentine element that's hard to place that is controlling, constantly driving us towards these conflicts, you know, promoting the next crisis, crisis after crisis.

00:27:04.000 And maybe that's just the nature of the way things are right now in the times that we live in.

00:27:09.000 But again, I would say that had we not seen the Epstein files and had we not seen what happened with Epstein and seeing how strong President Trump was against these foreign wars, against the corruption, against the deep state, and then to see him turn on a dime, I think there's a lot more declassification and sunlight that needs to be brought to our government right now, especially what's taken place in the last year or so.

00:27:30.000 Do you reckon then that we got to be kind of bold? 0.66

00:27:33.000 What I mean by that is see that Whitney Webb, she was talking about the Epstein files, she's a journalist, she was talking about the Epstein files, and a lot of people didn't have the balls to talk about it.

00:27:42.000 One of the things she said, To me, when I was saying, because how I get is kind of frustrated because I feel like we're unable to get near the thing that we need to really talk about.

00:27:54.000 I feel this sort of sense of frustration, this repulsion, this magnetic control that real power is able to exert and assert, this sort of field of disruption around it.

00:28:04.000 And I said, like, to her one time, like, say the stuff Alex Jones and David Icke have been saying for ages, paedophile rings and deep state power and the ability to sort of institute and organize even a global pandemic, that the more you investigate it, the more likely it seems that it was, you know, engineered in this lab and this America, you know, you know the stories.

00:28:25.000 So, like, I guess what I'm trying to say here, Joe, is like, especially coming off the back of doing those media appearances in New York, of like going on Piers Morgan and feeling like while I was in that interview, that while I was in an Associated Press building, which Associated Press presents itself as neutral, but has a funding model that would suggest it's advantageous that it reports on certain news stories in a certain way.

00:28:50.000 And when you're in the company of Piers Morgan, which I've been reflecting on obviously since then, someone that I feel.

00:28:57.000 Benefits from participating in conflict and a kind of a cynicism that stops people advancing and moving forward and asking the right questions and certainly prevents us from arriving at these kind of points.

00:29:11.000 Isn't it clear that we have to extract money from politics?

00:29:14.000 Absolutely.

00:29:15.000 Isn't it clear that we need radical systemic change?

00:29:18.000 Is it somewhat obvious that if there was a referenda today on whether or not the American people continue to pay taxes to fund foreign wars, whether it's Ukraine or Israel, Iran, that Most people go, I'm not doing that.

00:29:31.000 I mean, most people stop paying taxes altogether.

00:29:31.000 I don't want to party.

00:29:34.000 I mean, I'm in that camp myself.

00:29:37.000 So, while we remain confined to areas of argument that it's understandable that we stay within because the paradigm is set by the people that have naturalized power.

00:29:52.000 And when you stray out into, as you have done and as I have done, into whether or not Charlie Kirk's assassination was beneficial to certain interests, whether the Twin Tower attacks themselves were beneficial to certain interests.

00:30:04.000 Who killed Joe?

00:30:05.000 Like, you know, essentially conspiracy, which increasingly, anyone that knows anything about the CIA, and I know that includes you, knows that probably the most significant things that happen, you don't know the truth about them.

00:30:16.000 We're not allowed to know the truth about them.

00:30:18.000 And once you've established that fact, isn't it possible that those of us that are in a somewhat unrestricted media space and have a sort of the degree of political experience, in your case, and obviously the bravery that comes with your history, is it possible?

00:30:34.000 Do we have to sort of proceed with a kind of boldness and a level of risk taking that might at first seem sort of insane?

00:30:44.000 I think it's our duty.

00:30:44.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:30:45.000 I mean, that's a big reason, one of the big reasons why I resigned and resigned the way that I did.

00:30:50.000 I mean, morally, I couldn't be a part of it just because of my history and promises I had made to myself.

00:30:55.000 But also, I felt an obligation to let the American people know what I had seen responsibly behind closed doors and why we got into this war.

00:31:04.000 Because I, unfortunately, I believe this war is going to have a drastic effect on our nation and probably the entire world.

00:31:10.000 And so the American people who are going to underwrite it, 13 of whom have already given their lives, deserve to know how we got there.

00:31:15.000 And so I think you're 100% right.

00:31:17.000 We have to proceed boldly because if we allow whatever you want to call it, the mainstream media, whoever it is that sets the narratives, if we let them drown out our voices through whatever you want to call it, cancel culture or just through humiliation, through lawsuits, through arrests, even, then there's no hope.

00:31:34.000 For the truth.

00:31:35.000 But I do think we're in a very pivotal time right now.

00:31:38.000 There's a lot of reasons I think you can find every day by logging on to any social media platform to find to be depressed.

00:31:43.000 However, there's a saying I like, and that's the propaganda would be useless.

00:31:50.000 They wouldn't need to use the propaganda if the situation was hopeless.

00:31:53.000 And I think we're in a good spot right now where more people are waking up.

00:31:57.000 And so, for those of us that are able to speak the truth boldly, I think it's our duty to do so.

00:32:02.000 Yeah.

00:32:02.000 So, if there isn't a radical change, Joe, what do you think is going to happen as a result of this conflict?

00:32:11.000 What's your concern and your fear? 0.99

00:32:19.000 With the Iranians, and the Iranians will punch back. 1.00

00:32:22.000 They've proven they could punch back. 1.00

00:32:24.000 They've already tragically killed 13 of our troops. 0.98

00:32:27.000 I believe they have the capability to do even more damage in this next round if the conflict starts, or if the Iranians are squeezed hard enough through this blockade.

00:32:37.000 I think elements of the IRGC will say, hey, we're not going to listen to the political leadership anymore because, again, we killed a lot of the moderate leaders.

00:32:44.000 So now the IRGC is more emboldened.

00:32:46.000 I think the IRGC is going to say, now is the time for us to teach the Americans a lesson.

00:32:50.000 And then the second that we start taking major losses, Then we're going to be told, hey, we've already taken so many losses. 0.98

00:32:56.000 We have to fight on in honor of those who've lost, see how much of a problem Iran is. 0.99

00:33:00.000 We have to deal with this. 1.00

00:33:01.000 And the next thing you know, we're going to be sucked into a major conflict.

00:33:03.000 But this conflict, because of the Straits of Hormuz, will have a major impact on obviously the price at the pump here, energy distribution.

00:33:12.000 We're going to see major impacts to fertilizer distribution, which could lead to some form of global famine in some locations, food scarcities in other.

00:33:20.000 So the ripple down effect that this is going to have on the entire world, this is already, I believe, harming our status.

00:33:26.000 With the petrodollar, you've got the UAE moving away from the petrodollar, moving out of OPEC.

00:33:31.000 There's some good to that.

00:33:32.000 Maybe they'll be able to produce more oil that will then come out.

00:33:35.000 However, the blockade still presents a challenge there. 1.00

00:33:38.000 But I don't see any positive outcome for this again, because I don't see there to be any military solution with the Iranians. 1.00

00:33:46.000 And at the end of the day, you'll hear the administration talk about Iran getting a nuclear weapon, Iran getting a nuclear weapon. 0.99

00:33:52.000 We had no intelligence that said Iran was about ready to get a nuclear weapon.

00:33:55.000 Now that we've killed off the moderate leadership, they may sprint to attempt to get a nuclear weapon.

00:33:58.000 Weapon.

00:33:59.000 So we've kind of become a self fulfilling prophecy here. 0.98

00:34:01.000 And again, this only benefits Israel. 0.65

00:34:03.000 Israel wants regime change or at least regime decapitation inside of Iran. 0.58

00:34:08.000 So they need us deeply involved.

00:34:09.000 But this doesn't benefit America at all.

00:34:12.000 If anything else, it makes us less safe, less secure. 1.00

00:34:15.000 We're going to spend more money and more time in the Middle East.

00:34:17.000 So those are my big concerns right now.

00:34:19.000 That's why I'm advocating heavily for President Trump to do what President Reagan did in 1984 and just leave, like take down the tensions, remove our troops as targets from the region, and then use back channel diplomacy to negotiate on behalf.

00:34:31.000 Of America, but really focus on our problems here at home.

00:34:34.000 And you think that Reagan reference, you'll like that.

00:34:36.000 You feel like, yeah, Reagan did it.

00:34:38.000 That's the kind of thing that will reach Trump, sort of spiritually and mentally.

00:34:42.000 That's the kind of titillation and stimulation one imagines might be effective.

00:34:46.000 When you listed those consequences, you know, the death of service personnel abroad likely escalating, you know, inability to access fertilizer, famine, that seemed like a heavy one.

00:34:57.000 Fuel, but a lot of these things are kind of what we're accustomed to.

00:34:59.000 Oh, that's what war means.

00:35:01.000 War means more money for fuel, folks, military personnel dying, but we've all somewhat inoculated.

00:35:07.000 I'm not talking about the horrible tragedy, obviously, speaking to someone who's lost a loved one in that situation.

00:35:14.000 But as a culture, people are inoculated against that and consider it to be sort of kind of acceptable.

00:35:20.000 And I almost wonder if people really even care if it crosses the threshold of what we care about.

00:35:26.000 And that's where I reckon, Joe, I tune a bit into this general sense of bewilderment and nihilism and cynicism that I alluded to just with my recent.

00:35:33.000 Personal experience of encountering what I consider to be this empire, right?

00:35:38.000 Empire that we live within, an aspect of which is, of course, government, an aspect of which is, of course, media, an aspect of which is the power that exists beyond nation, asserts that power through bureaucracy and is willing to pay the price of the blood of Ukrainians or Iranians or Americans or Brits or whoever the machine requires that day for this increasingly centralized global imperial power to consolidate.

00:36:03.000 Whenever we've been talking about these types of wars lately, one that I know that good commentators, you know, and people that know more than me, and that's a pretty long list, always Point out what is the agenda of America?

00:36:14.000 What would victory look like for America in this conflict?

00:36:17.000 What's the roadmap out of it?

00:36:19.000 And, you know, as you've just pointed out in your last answer, it's not really easy to see what victory would look like or how it would be militarily achieved.

00:36:27.000 And, although, and I suppose that one might say that from an Israeli perspective, there is a clearer vision, a sort of an ideology, a sort of a map, a territory.

00:36:39.000 And what you're saying is that's the agenda that. 0.59

00:36:43.000 Ultimately, America is following in a way they do have a vision.

00:36:47.000 We want we're going to acquire this territory, we're going to acquire these.

00:36:50.000 Um, so if that's true, and if like you resign because you recognize a government is the last place where you can have an impact on these kind of matters, like it's restrictive and it's controlled and it's inevitable, what do you think we can do?

00:37:10.000 Is it that you just explain to people what it is?

00:37:13.000 And do you think that you have to explain this?

00:37:15.000 Do you think people are more impacted by?

00:37:17.000 Impending famine or problems at the fuel pumps, or do you think people need to understand this kind of visceral spiritual truth about what's happening with real power?

00:37:27.000 How do you feel that we must communicate this?

00:37:30.000 Because it's what you're saying, oh, vote for this congressman or vote for that senator, or we should not have lobbies anymore.

00:37:35.000 Like, you know, people feel so impotent.

00:37:38.000 I think there's a feeling of impotence and disempowerment.

00:37:40.000 I'm speaking more about my country, the UK, to be honest, than yours.

00:37:43.000 You know, I live in the South.

00:37:44.000 People seem like we're well up for it.

00:37:45.000 They've got guns down the front of their pants.

00:37:47.000 They're bombing about in trucks.

00:37:48.000 In fact, they need to.

00:37:49.000 Calm down a bit, some of the ones I'm looking at.

00:37:51.000 But like in my country, there's this sort of sense of dispiritedness and exhaustion and weariness.

00:37:57.000 And I so much feel that they need to know the spiritual holy war aspect of this stuff.

00:38:03.000 But do you think, like Whitney Webb, that those things are difficult to corroborate and we should focus on, you know, the likelihood that people won't have sufficient fertilizer or that fuel prices will go up?

00:38:14.000 What do you think?

00:38:16.000 Yeah, I think it's hard for people to swallow the full gravity of everything he just laid out.

00:38:21.000 I mean, the spiritual component to this, just how big.

00:38:24.000 Picture this possibly is.

00:38:25.000 However, this war is going to have, it is already having local ramifications.

00:38:31.000 I mean, people are most hit at their pocketbook when they go to fill up gas, when they go to get groceries.

00:38:36.000 And because we already had a major inflation crisis basically from the COVID era on, and we never really recovered out of it.

00:38:42.000 It's a big reason why people voted for President Trump to get us out of this spiral, this downward spiral in the economy and the inflation.

00:38:50.000 And so now I think a lot of people are like, hey, wait, why are we at war with Iran?

00:38:53.000 Why am I paying more for gas, groceries, et cetera?

00:38:56.000 I voted for Trump to get us out of this.

00:38:58.000 He said no new wars.

00:39:00.000 He said the wars in the Middle East were, I mean, that's why I became a Trump supporter, because back in 2016, he went after Jeb Bush on the stage of the Republican primary debate and said the Iraq war was a huge mistake and we never should have gotten into it.

00:39:12.000 So a lot of people right now are really confused.

00:39:14.000 There's been a huge shock in the change in the direction of the administration, and it's affecting their daily lives.

00:39:20.000 Then I think that's going to lead them to ask, like, why?

00:39:23.000 They're going to want to know why. 0.79

00:39:24.000 And then we tell them about, hey, the Israelis were able to pressure us into this. 0.81

00:39:28.000 And this isn't the first time the Israelis have done it. 0.88

00:39:30.000 And then I think people are going to be able to start asking bigger picture questions. 0.96

00:39:33.000 About why, regardless of whoever it is that we vote for, the whatever you want to call it the system, the cabal, the administrative state, the deep state, whatever they kind of always get their way.

00:39:44.000 And that I think will lead to some of the bigger questions out there.

00:39:47.000 And ultimately, I do think because there's just so much uncertainty and there is this aspect of evil behind so much of what's taken place with our ruling class or however you want to characterize it, I do think it is going to put a lot of people towards God and towards spirituality.

00:40:04.000 And that's why I think you're seeing a You know, a massive uptick in people going to church and church attendance, especially of younger folks, Gen Z. That's a heavily, I think, religious and truth seeking generation just because of how uncertain the world has been.

00:40:18.000 They can't put their faith in administrations, they can't put it in institutions or politicians.

00:40:23.000 And so they're seeking God.

00:40:25.000 And I think that is a good thing.

00:40:26.000 So I think it's an incremental type of fight that we're in.

00:40:31.000 Yeah, I do.

00:40:32.000 I'm going to take this opportunity to say get this book from Tucker Carlson Books, my book. 0.98

00:40:36.000 How to become Christian in seven days may take 50 years of sin and serious fuck ups to get started.

00:40:41.000 In particular, what I was talking about is how, since becoming a Christian and reading scripture, I came to recognize the sense that you cannot trust institutions or the establishment or the political establishment and media establishment in the broadest possible terms was something that's scripturally undergirded. 0.95

00:40:56.000 That we fight not against flesh and blood, but against dark powers in the heavenly realm.

00:41:00.000 The sense that the evil one, that is a fallenness, has taken over the world. 0.72

00:41:04.000 I noticed since becoming Christian, Joe, and being Christian in your country, that there's a lot of, I know you're Catholic, huh?

00:41:11.000 Like amongst sort of like the Protestant community, which is a sort of in itself of thousands of communities, even where I live here in Florida, there's a sort of a focus on the moral and ethical aspects of Christianity, like, you know, sexual righteousness and what else, you know, like kind of moral and ethical things that are pretty good and robust and standard and definitely scripturally present.

00:41:31.000 But it seems that when looking at the aspect of Christianity that seems to be about freeing yourself from the frequency of what you might call sin, a kind of peculiar.

00:41:44.000 Fallenness, a force for brokenness, a sort of lost self obsession that you say that Gen Z are turning away from.

00:41:51.000 And people in my country, there's a huge uptick in people getting interested in Christianity and turning to the Lord.

00:42:00.000 I wonder if at the forefront of your own Christianity is an awareness of the fight between good and evil.

00:42:09.000 And also, how can we turn to fallen, broken systems run by fallen, broken people that might even be in the thrall of the Darkest imaginable influences for salvation when there is something we can personally do.

00:42:25.000 Do you sit in your own Christianity?

00:42:28.000 Do you experience the personal salvation that comes from knowing Christ, as well as this sort of sense that you are a participant in something holy and profound that's maybe even comparable to your military service, like something that could cost your life?

00:42:44.000 And but that would be a price worth paying.

00:42:48.000 Is your Christianity like that? 1.00

00:42:51.000 Certainly is.

00:42:52.000 You know, I don't know if I would be able to do any of this without having faith.

00:42:56.000 So, very blessed to have parents that instilled Christianity in me at a very, very young age.

00:43:01.000 So, I think my walk with faith, there's been ups and there's been downs, but especially in a time like this where I have seen, you know, just so many institutions fail, having that north star, that guide rod of Christ and a relationship with Christ, which is an ongoing process.

00:43:17.000 I struggle every day, center as well.

00:43:20.000 So, I need Christ's salvation.

00:43:22.000 And, you know, while I was working in government, especially this last year and a half, I would attempt to pray every day and remind myself like, God put me here for a reason.

00:43:31.000 And it's not for me.

00:43:32.000 It's not for a title.

00:43:34.000 It's to serve the American people.

00:43:35.000 It's to serve our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and to do the right thing.

00:43:38.000 And so I would just pray for him to give me the strength to do that, recognizing that he had put me where I was for a reason and that God ultimately has a plan.

00:43:48.000 We're going to have another break.

00:43:48.000 Thanks, Joe.

00:43:49.000 Please stay with us if you will.

00:43:51.000 Let's do some questions from the comments.

00:43:54.000 And also, Dave, I can see you're ruminating on something.

00:43:56.000 And Jake, if you have a question, we'll do all of those when we speak a little more with Joe Kemp.

00:44:01.000 But first, we have no, we don't have.

00:44:04.000 You want to do a poly market?

00:44:05.000 Oh, special.

00:44:06.000 All right, dude, Polymarket.

00:44:08.000 Well, listen, let me see what it is.

00:44:11.000 Polymarket.

00:44:13.000 Well, have we got a still for it?

00:44:15.000 Oh, yeah, we have.

00:44:16.000 Okay, Polymarket.

00:44:17.000 As long as I think this technology would be better deployed, instituting real democracy. 0.62

00:44:22.000 I wonder if you could get just American citizens of voting age to participate in a would you like to continue this war with Iran or not? 0.82

00:44:30.000 That's how I'd like to use it.

00:44:31.000 But people are saying instead, will James Comey be arrested?

00:44:36.000 You know, I guess that's because of that, what, 86, 47. 0.68

00:44:40.000 It was a terror threat made in shells.

00:44:43.000 Me, if I'm going to make a terror threat, I won't use seashells as the medium for it.

00:44:47.000 It undermines a good deal of the terror.

00:44:50.000 What will Powell say during the April press conference?

00:44:55.000 Like, Dave, I can't pretend to understand that, but Polymarket understands it.

00:44:58.000 And Polymarket is a real time, gives you a real time opportunity to trade on the outcomes of live events from politics, pop culture, sports, and more.

00:45:07.000 So, Jake, a question for the comments for Joe Kent.

00:45:12.000 How spicy do you want to get?

00:45:14.000 Don't hurt Joe Kent's feelings, even though he is a former Ranger and Green Beret.

00:45:19.000 And I always think that when I think of, like, you know, when you people like Eddie Gallagher that's in the SEALs or friends that I've got, they're in special forces.

00:45:25.000 I think when I say I was treading on my dog's poo in the house, like, you know, the dog, it's a Daxon, it's done a poo in the house.

00:45:32.000 It's really hard to train a Daxon.

00:45:34.000 And I feel it on the sole of my foot.

00:45:35.000 I think this is not good.

00:45:37.000 But if I was in the Green Berets, I reckon I would just.

00:45:42.000 Accept this as part of life.

00:45:44.000 That's one of the techniques I try to use to get past it.

00:45:47.000 So, like, I think, so stay in the general area of love.

00:45:49.000 Start with the name of the person that's made the question or comment.

00:45:53.000 And then. 0.96

00:45:54.000 So, Joe Grammy Anon from the Rumble chat, she says, I'm assuming she, the Iranians want regime change. 0.55

00:46:04.000 What do you say to that? 0.95

00:46:05.000 They want it. 1.00

00:46:06.000 They want it, Joe, the Iranians.

00:46:09.000 Why won't you, Joe Kent, Stop focusing on your hairstyle and start focusing on regime change within Iran. 0.97

00:46:19.000 Well, unfortunately, if they want regime change, they need to do it on their own. 0.91

00:46:24.000 I would just say to any Iranian who wants us to come help them with regime change, take a look at every other country that we've tried regime change in. 0.94

00:46:30.000 You don't want that outcome for your country. 0.81

00:46:33.000 And the thing is, if we wanted regime change inside of Iran, President Trump's initial strategy that he deployed in the first Trump administration of killing Iranian terrorist leaders when they killed Americans, like he did with Qasem Soleimani, But then not taking the bait and going after the regime, but squeezing them with sanctions, that was actually working.

00:46:51.000 That's why there were protesters on the streets in January.

00:46:54.000 They're protesting the cost of living. 0.95

00:46:57.000 By going in and being foreigners trying to overthrow the government right now, we've created a rally around the flag effect inside of Iran. 0.96

00:47:05.000 That's why you're not seeing protests out there on the streets. 0.84

00:47:07.000 So the regime is now more emboldened.

00:47:10.000 They have more support from the people because the Iranian people have their pride.

00:47:13.000 They might not like their government, but they're not going to roll over when foreigners come and try and push them over. 0.88

00:47:18.000 So we're actually working against. 0.65

00:47:19.000 Against regime change right now.

00:47:20.000 We've strengthened the people that we were hoping to get rid of.

00:47:23.000 Well, that's pretty good.

00:47:24.000 And that was a good question from Grammy there.

00:47:26.000 Are there any more questions from the chat?

00:47:29.000 Dave, do you have a question for most beloved Joe Kent?

00:47:32.000 In fact, you could be thinking about your friend from Shoot Me Straight, your podcast, Eddie Gallagher, and his position.

00:47:39.000 I know Joe Kent stepped in when it came to the injustices experienced by Eddie Gallagher as a Navy SEAL.

00:47:44.000 Yeah, thank you for that.

00:47:46.000 And I think, well, first of all, Joe, I think one, you explain it very well, very clear.

00:47:53.000 Your background and everything's, I mean, more than adequate around the subject.

00:47:58.000 But like, You mentioned what I loved about what you said earlier was you're bringing an actual solution.

00:48:06.000 Hey, not just don't go to war, but here's what we should do instead.

00:48:10.000 Can you explain on that more?

00:48:11.000 You're saying, hey, it's not a military solution.

00:48:15.000 You think it is, we just pull out and then from there work back behind scenes, talks, just address it as a political solution?

00:48:26.000 Yeah, essentially.

00:48:27.000 So look, we may not like the regime that's there in Iran right now.

00:48:32.000 But I think the first thing that we have to do is narrowly and specifically define what are our goals in the region?

00:48:38.000 What do we actually need from the region?

00:48:40.000 And it's really actually not much.

00:48:41.000 We need the Straits of Hormuz to be open for energy commerce to move back and forth.

00:48:45.000 And we need Iran not to sponsor terrorist attacks.

00:48:48.000 Under President Trump, the Iranians basically restrained their proxies ahead of this war because we killed Cosmos Olmati, because we killed Abu Mani Mohandas.

00:48:56.000 The Iranians were walking all over the Biden administration because they didn't respect him. 0.62

00:48:59.000 Right when Trump came back into office, they stopped attacking us until this last iteration of the war with their proxies.

00:49:05.000 So I think. 0.99

00:49:06.000 Telling the Iranians, look, we can deal with you. 0.98

00:49:08.000 We can even potentially look at reducing some of the sanctions if you open the Straits of Hormuz, if you stop funding terrorist organizations, and we will deal with you as we deal with most other countries in the region. 0.99

00:49:20.000 We'll deal with you when it's beneficial to us.

00:49:22.000 We'll cooperate with you when it's beneficial to us.

00:49:24.000 But us essentially trying to play the policeman in the region, we're going to do all the security guarantees for the Gulf.

00:49:30.000 All of that's kind of been shattered. 1.00

00:49:31.000 I mean, the Iranians proved that our bases in the region are more of a liability than they are an asset. 1.00

00:49:36.000 So I think we just need to. 1.00

00:49:38.000 Accept the world as it is, define those, get our troops out of the region, stop trying to enforce our will on them through the barrel of a gun, because it's not going to work.

00:49:47.000 It's going to cost us too much money. 1.00

00:49:49.000 And then just start back channeling and dealing with the Iranians on that level. 1.00

00:49:52.000 At the end of the day, whoever's in charge inside Iran, inside of Persia, they're going to be a world player. 0.98

00:49:57.000 They control critical geography, they control critical resources. 0.97

00:50:00.000 So I think the sooner that we can just recognize that and deal with it, the better off that we'll be.

00:50:06.000 Meghan Kelly and Tucker Carlson and you and Candace Owens have faced considerable.

00:50:12.000 I have been outspoken on the subject of Israel and Israeli influence, and we've been called, I'm guessing, anti Semites.

00:50:19.000 I know some of those folks have, and I'm assuming that happens to you.

00:50:23.000 How do you think you can have this conversation and ensure that people of Jewish faith and race, the Jews, can feel that this is not anti Semitism, but rather a geopolitical discussion about globalism and war and a particular expansionist? Project.

00:50:42.000 Is there a way to sensibly have that conversation?

00:50:45.000 Is anybody framing it correctly?

00:50:48.000 Are there experts that you think we should watch more of and promote that are able to handle the evident and obvious tension?

00:50:56.000 Or do you think that even that charge of anti Semitism is an illegitimate one that's used as a weapon and there's really no way around it?

00:51:06.000 It's going to come up, but luckily, I think just because the last, I don't know, decade or so, anytime people are called, you know, racist, homophobic, anti Semitic, It used to be a, you know, stop people in their tracks and people are like, no, no, I'm not a racist.

00:51:18.000 I'm not an anti Semite.

00:51:20.000 We've just heard it so much over and over again.

00:51:21.000 I think most people understand now what that is.

00:51:24.000 That's just trying to shut down the argument.

00:51:26.000 I always say, like, and I mean this, I could care less what the religion is in Israel.

00:51:31.000 I would feel the same way.

00:51:32.000 And I felt the same way when we were discussing Ukraine.

00:51:35.000 I mean, Ukrainians, I think the vast majority are Christians. 1.00

00:51:37.000 Like, I don't think our country should have been sending billions of dollars over there and getting involved in that war either.

00:51:42.000 And so, for any foreign government to have this much influence over my government, that's the issue.

00:51:47.000 I mean, Professor Merschmeyer has done a great job of explaining this. 0.57

00:51:51.000 Even his co author of The Israeli Lobby, Stephen Waltz, did a great job explaining this as well.

00:51:56.000 And I think he's more of the left leaning.

00:51:59.000 Left leaning part of the aisle.

00:52:02.000 So there's been academics out there, but a lot of them were canceled for years.

00:52:05.000 And I think now just this last crisis has kind of opened up the opportunity to have a more frank discussion about this.

00:52:10.000 But also, for people who do care about Israel, this war is not in Israel's favor either.

00:52:15.000 I mean, this is literally like one political faction in Israel who's really galvanized a lot of raw, rightful, justified anger after October 7th and just run amok with it.

00:52:26.000 In the long run, what Israel's doing right now is not going to work out in Israel's benefit either. 0.93

00:52:31.000 This is really the Lakud party. 0.82

00:52:33.000 Just the more we can be clear about this being about the influence of a foreign government, and in particular, the Likud party, Bibi Netanyahu, and his associates, I think that just the better off we'll be.

00:52:33.000 So I think.

00:52:44.000 So I don't take any time someone says that I'm anti Semitic in a debate, I can tell that I'm winning the debate because they don't want to discuss the actual issues.

00:52:51.000 They just want to throw out names.

00:52:54.000 Sometimes I get a bit worried about it, you know, like I sort of like just with like Jewish people that are my mates and that I know, like I feel sometimes they don't like this subject being discussed.

00:53:05.000 And I'm not even, I'm not talking about like, I'm talking about American Jewish folk, you know, like they're sort of like, hey, what did you put that person on for?

00:53:13.000 Why did you say that?

00:53:15.000 Yeah, the first time it happened was when I first started doing stuff on YouTube in about 2015, a long time ago, huh?

00:53:22.000 Like in the, you know, with time moving as quickly as it does.

00:53:25.000 I remember that the story was to do with Barclays Bank, a British bank, being involved in investments funding activity in occupied territories, like Palestinian territory that Israel were encroaching on.

00:53:36.000 And my guess might be that that encroachment has been fully implemented, you know, this.

00:53:41.000 Decade on, and construction companies like Caterpillar, and me in my rather usual ad hoc breezy manner, I was like just doing a story Hey, Barclays Bank, Caterpillar, I weren't really thinking about, like, well, you know, particularly just it fitted in with my general worldview is I don't trust authority, I don't trust it, I don't know how this whole model's holding together, I don't know how nefarious it is.

00:54:05.000 You know, I've evolved since living in your country in so much as I really like, love rednecks and people of the South, and these, you know, I now, for example.

00:54:12.000 I would have had a liberal position on gun ownership, Joe. 0.55

00:54:15.000 You can't and shouldn't own guns. 0.99

00:54:17.000 And probably you'd think, well, yeah, I can tell by your accent because it's because we've got those guns that we kicked your ass right out of our territories. 0.99

00:54:26.000 Cornwallis, unleash the Green Dragoons. 0.99

00:54:29.000 I've seen Patriot. 1.00

00:54:30.000 Why, Cornwallis, you fool? 0.99

00:54:32.000 You should have adjusted to their guerrilla strategy. 0.99

00:54:35.000 And as for the French helping in New York, I'm still fuming, and the Boston Tea Party. 0.78

00:54:38.000 Anyway, look, my point is this that now I look at gun ownership. 0.83

00:54:42.000 Like, oh, I get it.

00:54:44.000 Whatever they say, they being, say, I don't know, neoliberal media about gun ownership and protection and school shootings and accidents in the home and deaths and the obvious tragic things that, you know, can happen as a result of guns and gun ownership.

00:54:58.000 That isn't their concern.

00:55:00.000 They don't want empowered ordinary people.

00:55:03.000 They don't want that.

00:55:04.000 And I suppose one of the things was coming here, living here, moving here.

00:55:07.000 But the other thing was the pandemic.

00:55:11.000 Like, the whole thing was built on human life is so sacred. 1.00

00:55:15.000 Get in your fucking house! 1.00

00:55:17.000 Human life is so sacred. 1.00

00:55:20.000 Take this fucking lethal concoction of terrible, probably don't work anyway. 1.00

00:55:25.000 We certainly didn't test it for transmission injection. 1.00

00:55:28.000 Like, and from then I've gone, whenever they're saying, as the first part, we love you so much, we're going to have to lock you in your house, or we love you so much, you can't have a gun, or we love you so much, shut your mouth. 0.98

00:55:40.000 The thing that's following is a lie. 0.87

00:55:42.000 That's like what I, and that fits in with what I knew anyway when I was a kid and a junkie and growing up and all that stuff.

00:55:48.000 It's just been compounded and includes a little bit of the libertarianism that you have a good, you have a lot.

00:55:54.000 That's sort of your background, isn't it?

00:55:55.000 And Ron Paul and all that kind of stuff.

00:55:57.000 Do you believe in what?

00:55:59.000 Maximal individual freedom?

00:56:01.000 And if you do believe in maximum individual freedom, please, Joe Kent, how do we align that with community duty?

00:56:09.000 And what is it that organizes the protection of the community if we take libertarianism to its natural conclusion?

00:56:17.000 The Second Amendment, I think, is key to that for individual protection, but then also protecting it.

00:56:21.000 Us from a tyrannical government.

00:56:23.000 I think that's essential.

00:56:24.000 But then, you know, with personal freedom comes personal responsibility.

00:56:27.000 I think that's essential.

00:56:28.000 I think having, you know, faith as a cornerstone of individual values is essential.

00:56:33.000 I mean, I really think our founding fathers knocked it out of the park with the Constitution.

00:56:37.000 If we would just follow the Constitution, we'd be in a much better spot.

00:56:41.000 Unfortunately, though, we've had the legislative branches handed over so much of their power to the executive branch.

00:56:48.000 States, you know, we have such a huge country and every state is different.

00:56:51.000 States have handed over so much of their authority.

00:56:53.000 To the federal government as well.

00:56:55.000 So, I think the more local control that there is, I think the better off that we are.

00:57:00.000 That's kind of the model that the founders envisioned.

00:57:03.000 We've gotten away from that.

00:57:04.000 I think with the proliferation of technology, it makes it easy to think that Washington, D.C. is a place where we can all communicate with and we can travel there freely.

00:57:14.000 But Washington, D.C. shouldn't be driving most decisions in our lives.

00:57:18.000 And I think if we, the people, were able to get more folks involved in politics and vote accordingly, I think we would avoid a lot of these bad.

00:57:26.000 Problems and bad decisions that are actually made in DC.

00:57:29.000 So I think that the real solution is we have to get more people that are politically engaged and educate them as to what's taking place in our world.

00:57:37.000 And I wonder if that engagement could be utilized at the local level that you described.

00:57:41.000 I wonder if that constitution alloyed to modern technology and the ability for real participatory direct digital democracy could change the world in a way that sort of warrants this level of consternation and conversation instead of talking about, well, who, like, if figures are superficially different.

00:58:01.000 As Kamala Harris and Donald Trump end up governing, I know she didn't govern for any significant period, but in one might suspect with the same telos, the same trajectory, the same agenda set by the same interests, barring some superficial paraphernalia that amounts just to flags and colors and announcements and aesthetics, then it's the system itself that needs to change.

00:58:27.000 And you're quite right to point out, and it's sort of always encouraging when anyone says, like Charlie Cooper.

00:58:31.000 Kirk, God rest his soul, used to that the document itself, the constitutional document, the kind of molecular compound upon which American politics was meant to be built, does contain important ingredients that could be, you know, expounded upon actually now rather than sort of ignored, diluted, shut down so that new kinds of oligarchy and sort of, you know, I don't know, weird international monarchies appear to succeed.

00:59:00.000 Yes, certainly.

00:59:01.000 I mean, I think if.

00:59:02.000 We use the digital platforms, social media, et cetera, to reach out to people and to educate them, especially about money in politics.

00:59:09.000 I think that's huge.

00:59:10.000 A big reason why we end up in a lot of these situations that we're in is that the American people can kind of vote all day and get the same results.

00:59:16.000 And a lot of that is because the money and interest are able to buy off both sides of the aisle.

00:59:21.000 You vote for one politician and you think you're getting a certain set of policies, but really you're going to get the corporate agenda because that's who paid for him to get into office.

00:59:29.000 Individual candidates, I think, who can communicate effectively on social media, they do have the ability.

00:59:34.000 It's hard, but they do have the ability nowadays to fundraise independently of the big packs and the money and interest.

00:59:39.000 So if we could get people to understand hey, when you're seeing a saturation of ads, that's coming from the agenda, the money that's going to drive us in.

00:59:48.000 The next war, the next financial downturn, the next COVID pandemic, whatever, there's money behind that.

00:59:54.000 You need to look and support the candidates who actually are independent of that.

00:59:58.000 Social media gives us that ability.

01:00:00.000 So hopefully, more people will wake up to that.

01:00:02.000 Again, the younger generation gives me some hope on that topic.

01:00:05.000 Yeah, me too.

01:00:06.000 And yeah, Thomas Massey is a good person, I think, to look to for that kind of fidelity.

01:00:11.000 So, yes, if you see a lot of advertising, then that's an indication that it's backed by the kind of forces that probably don't have your best interests at heart.

01:00:20.000 I sometimes think, Joe Kent, about Representative democracy that one can maintain the indigenous image of what representational democracy is.

01:00:29.000 Our village or town is far away from the central government, so we send a person there to represent our interests.

01:00:36.000 Well, one might imagine and even illustrate and animate with AI that as they're making their way on horseback to that central government agency, they encounter, like Pinocchio with that cat and fox, various interests, donors, and lobbyists that say, Well, While you're there representing the interests of Anywhereville, USA, would you also push out in for?

01:00:57.000 Northrop Grumman, or Ukraine, or Israel?

01:01:00.000 And when they end up in the parliamentary or congressional environment, it seems like those are the voices in their ears, not the voices of their constituents.

01:01:08.000 Are sort of concerned about hospitals schools roads hygiene sanitation, access to good food and water, the kind of sort of you know Maslow pyramid of needs, stuff that we're all familiar with.

01:01:19.000 Shouldn't politics simply be about the provision of the basics, and as stripped of ideology as possible?

01:01:26.000 Ideology takes place in the human heart And in the human spirit.

01:01:31.000 The reason I'm so interested in that idea is because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in some futile and circular carousel of cultural arguments that actually don't really mean very much.

01:01:43.000 Because we're not evolved or designed to choose your poison to know what 300 million people or 8 billion people are doing simultaneously and have an opinion about it, whether it's a horrific genocide or some weird genital mutilation or whether it's just some sort of cultural. difference or preference elsewhere.

01:02:05.000 I really strongly believe that with using your constitution and modern technology, you could create localised democracy where the principles ought be autonomy and independence for each community maximally, trading only where necessary.

01:02:19.000 Obvious examples of the ridiculousness of global economy occur in agriculture when my country, the United Kingdom, supplies all of the lamb for New Zealand and New Zealand supplies all of the lamb for the UK.

01:02:31.000 Now I don't know how it works, but I know someone's making money off that somewhere that shouldn't be.

01:02:37.000 Eat the food that's where you are when that food's available. 1.00

01:02:41.000 Stop in order to eat a strawberry in the middle of November, yielding all of your sovereignty to extra national powers that actually hate you and want to destroy you, that think you're an idiot. 0.99

01:02:55.000 And if you push them even on the subject of democracy, which they say they believe in, they'd say, You can't have mob rule. 0.99

01:03:02.000 You can't let ordinary people vote for what they do with their own resources and how they spend their own money and time and lives.

01:03:08.000 There's a kind of hatred.

01:03:09.000 At the bottom of it.

01:03:10.000 And I know what that hatred is because since coming to Christ, I understand good and evil are real.

01:03:15.000 And power poses initially as neutral before it reveals itself, its true colors over time or with new information to be the presence of evil, masking itself.

01:03:26.000 He is the father of lies for a reason.

01:03:28.000 And come out and go, hey, I'm going to do a bunch of evil stuff.

01:03:30.000 Finds out what's appealing, presents that to you.

01:03:32.000 And before you know it, you've already made some terrible pact or contract.

01:03:35.000 Man, thanks, Joe Kent, for your bravery, both as a member of the services and as a.

01:03:41.000 A widow, congratulations on your new marriage, or, you know, current and ongoing marriage.

01:03:47.000 I'm trying to be sensitive here, but I'm basically trying to wish you well.

01:03:50.000 But I'm English and I'm so always on the edge of embarrassment, I might actually fart during this.

01:03:56.000 I'm basically saying, I wish you well.

01:03:58.000 God bless you, man.

01:03:59.000 Thanks for your time and for your bravery.

01:04:01.000 Anything else you want to say before you sign off, or do you think we've done a jolly good job here?

01:04:06.000 Oh, I think we've covered all of it.

01:04:08.000 I appreciate it and just encourage everybody to stay active and make your voice heard.

01:04:12.000 Yeah, is there anything that we need to direct people towards?

01:04:15.000 Because I've not fully read.

01:04:18.000 I'm not suggesting that you have a current book or current social media, or is it enough for you to try to extract the influence of Israel from American politics?

01:04:26.000 You're not also launching a soda.

01:04:30.000 That's the big push.

01:04:31.000 I did write a book about my late wife.

01:04:32.000 It's called Send Me.

01:04:34.000 You can find it on Amazon, wherever you buy books, and you can find me on X. May God rest their eternal soul.

01:04:39.000 Thank you very much for your time, Joe Kent.

01:04:41.000 I'll see you soon, man.

01:04:41.000 Thank you.

01:04:43.000 Take it easy.

01:04:43.000 Thank you.

01:04:43.000 Appreciate it.

01:04:44.000 Thanks very much for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

01:04:47.000 If you have any additional questions for Joe Kent, you're going to have to ask them in some other way.

01:04:51.000 The show's over now.

01:04:52.000 But we will be back next time, another day, not for more of the same.

01:04:57.000 We would never insult you with those. 1.00

01:04:58.000 I'd consider that to be vile slops. 1.00

01:05:00.000 I'd consider that to be dregs. 1.00

01:05:02.000 I'd consider that to be filthy rags. 1.00

01:05:05.000 And in fact, let me just close.

01:05:06.000 I'll close this out with a verse from the Bible that I've been preparing for you.

01:05:10.000 Wait a second.

01:05:13.000 Just a minute.

01:05:15.000 Wait a while.

01:05:17.000 Be patient.

01:05:18.000 It's in there somewhere.

01:05:22.000 Ah, here it is.

01:05:22.000 Yes.

01:05:25.000 Now, it was Whitesnake that said to Harry Potter, Oh, you are the chosen one.

01:05:31.000 No, actually, I'm just making it up.

01:05:33.000 Listen, you lot.

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01:05:56.000 We will be armed.

01:05:57.000 I will be.

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01:05:59.000 Dave, you're going to be there?

01:06:00.000 You're going to be armed?

01:06:00.000 Yeah.

01:06:01.000 We will be fully armed and ready to entertain you.

01:06:04.000 But if it's something else you're after, we're ready for that too.

01:06:11.000 Praise Jesus.

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