Stay Free - Russel Brand - Who Decides What’s Acceptable Now? — SF702

00:00:17.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:18.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:00:21.000 We've got a lot to talk about today here on Rumble.

00:00:23.000 If you ain't got Rumble Premium yet, get it now, while you still can, where free speech is still treasured and cherished.

00:00:35.000 Kanye West, yay, as is now known, was set to be appearing at the Wireless Festival in the UK.

00:00:41.000 Now, He has been banned from entering the country.

00:00:44.000 I see a lot of friends of mine that are Jewish in the UK, people that work in showbiz and stuff, saying that it's good that he's being banned and being able to cite what looks like a litany of significant errors, actually, when you look at it from their perspective.

00:00:57.000 You know, a song called Heil Hitler, wearing swastikas, stuff like that.

00:01:02.000 But when you actually care about free speech, I suppose what you're saying is if you're not saying, I respect the free speech of people that are, for example, I don't know, saying the worst things about me, it's Possible to say about a person if you're not saying that, then you're not interested in free speech at all.

00:01:20.000 And I think actually the Kanye West issue is interesting precisely because he will take you to edge lands.

00:01:27.000 I think that's in a way what a creative artist is supposed to do.

00:01:31.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.

00:01:33.000 If you're watching us on Locals, Rumble, Rumble Premium, or YouTube, welcome.

00:01:38.000 Thanks for joining us today for this conversation about free speech.

00:01:41.000 We'll also, of course, be looking at Armageddon, the apocalypse.

00:01:44.000 We'll be looking at Trump's rhetoric from a variety of perspectives.

00:01:48.000 And we'll be doing crack on our show about recovery as well as just trying to keep a handle on events that are moving so quickly.

00:01:56.000 It's important to remember that God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow because otherwise I think you'd go kind of crazy.

00:02:03.000 I don't know, at least I reckon I would.

00:02:04.000 So here's the original story about Kanye West.

00:02:08.000 The US rapper Kanye West has responded to the backlash over his headline slot at the Wireless Festival in London.

00:02:16.000 A number of corporate sponsors, including the soft drink giant Pepsi, have withdrawn from the event.

00:02:22.000 After his appearance was announced, now known as Ye, the rapper has released a song in praise of Adolf Hitler and sold Swatzika t shirts.

00:02:31.000 He's previously.

00:02:32.000 Even that's not accurate.

00:02:35.000 I suppose Heil Hitler is in praise of, because the word Heil is like celebrate.

00:02:40.000 But, like, it also says the N word in it. 0.66

00:02:43.000 I mean, it's not like Adolf Hitler would have gone, I like this song.

00:02:46.000 Like, Hitler wouldn't have liked that, I think.

00:02:48.000 I don't think he'd have liked Kanye West at all.

00:02:51.000 Pretty clear that Kanye West didn't like Jewish people.

00:02:54.000 Among his many pretty, let's say, extreme policies, there was the Holocaust.

00:03:01.000 That's pretty clear where he stood on that.

00:03:04.000 But I reckon, say as a comedian, when you make jokes about paedophilia, you are not endorsing paedophilia.

00:03:12.000 It's difficult to think of a joke about paedophilia that isn't in and of itself condemnatory of paedophilia.

00:03:21.000 And I suppose when you're making any creative.

00:03:25.000 When you are in creativity at all, if you're not moving around in the edges and the periphery, you are by kind of default doing stuff that's not really worth doing, I would say.

00:03:35.000 So, the point of creativity is to take you into new territories or to celebrate beauty or to bring you closer to God or be godlike.

00:03:44.000 Me personally, I don't reckon I would produce a song called Heil Hitler.

00:03:48.000 It wouldn't be any good anyway.

00:03:49.000 I don't have the incredible skill set that he has.

00:03:51.000 But some people think that Kenny West is a once in a generation artist, and he's got a catalogue to back that up, I'd say.

00:03:59.000 Probably.

00:03:59.000 So let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:04:02.000 Like, where would you stand?

00:04:04.000 Do you think that someone should be able to say Hail Hitler, N-word?

00:04:08.000 I know Dave Rubin, when I was working with him more, he would say, like, oh, well, you will say Hail Hitler, but you will say N-word.

00:04:16.000 I do sometimes say the N-word, but I don't know.

00:04:18.000 It's because when I was at a very impressionable age, I, because I'm so cool, was hanging out with black people and I had conversations about it and felt like, yeah, it's not good for white people to use that word.

00:04:30.000 I had really exhaustive conversations.

00:04:31.000 Conversations about it, and sometimes that began with me using that word to black people's faces and then explaining to me, sometimes physically, why I shouldn't say it. 0.70

00:04:42.000 So, like, I'm sort of done on that one. 0.53

00:04:45.000 But let's see where we end up with the old BBC.

00:04:48.000 He's previously apologized for making anti Semitic comments.

00:04:51.000 I also know that the intention of the culture is to strip away free speech and to strip away creativity.

00:04:58.000 They want banality, banality is part of what they want.

00:05:01.000 And I somehow feel that that's a bigger threat than.

00:05:05.000 Hateful rhetoric, although hateful rhetoric is obviously by definition not good.

00:05:11.000 Making anti Semitic comments, blaming the outbursts on his bipolar disorder.

00:05:17.000 I think she just said anti Semitic, and that's actually where you hate little ants and say that they shouldn't be able to.

00:05:24.000 I don't want you in my anthill. 1.00

00:05:25.000 I don't like them red ants, those bastards. 1.00

00:05:28.000 The little black ants, they're okay. 1.00

00:05:29.000 Red ants, them red ants, they run the whole ant community.

00:05:33.000 Oh, have you noticed that?

00:05:34.000 Whenever there's any ants wandering off with little big lumps of food and that.

00:05:39.000 There's always the red ants. 0.97

00:05:41.000 Those swines, them Red Sea crossing ants.

00:05:46.000 Statement The rapper says he wants to meet with members of the Jewish community in Britain.

00:05:51.000 He also says to those I've heard, I've been following the conversation around wireless and want to address it directly.

00:05:58.000 My only goal is to come to London and present a show of change, bringing unity, peace, and love.

00:06:06.000 I know words aren't enough.

00:06:07.000 I'll have to show change through my actions.

00:06:10.000 If you're open, I'm here.

00:06:13.000 Good statement.

00:06:13.000 A proper response to that would be, yeah, okay, this.

00:06:16.000 Let's have it then.

00:06:17.000 I think so.

00:06:18.000 Don't you?

00:06:18.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.

00:06:21.000 I don't think we're going to improve this situation by ossifying our positions and settling down into camps of condemnation.

00:06:26.000 It's really easy to condemn other people.

00:06:28.000 It's not so easy to change yourself.

00:06:29.000 It's exhausting.

00:06:30.000 I've been working on it quite a lot in my own life.

00:06:35.000 I think the whole festival's been cancelled now because he has been bad.

00:06:37.000 We have had that news just in the past few seconds.

00:06:40.000 A statement from the festival.

00:06:43.000 The news nowadays, eh?

00:06:44.000 You just have to wait for someone on horseback to bring you some parchment saying that, I don't know.

00:06:49.000 Princess has been kidnapped or a moat had been transgressed.

00:06:52.000 Now, one second ago, it's been banned.

00:06:54.000 No, he's not anti Semite.

00:06:56.000 No, oh, wait, hold on a second.

00:06:57.000 Wait, no, we've just learned this.

00:06:58.000 Wait, what about the bank?

00:06:59.000 Oh, no, gee, oh, wait.

00:07:01.000 Like, no one can do news anymore.

00:07:03.000 It's all too new.

00:07:04.000 Statement from the Festival Republic, where the organizers are wireless, they're saying the Home Office has withdrawn Yea's Kenya West ETA, that's the travel authorization, basically the visa, denying him entry into.

00:07:18.000 He's the Joe McCann of America.

00:07:20.000 Trying to get Yay into England is like trying to get Joe into America. 0.84

00:07:25.000 Joe is also an anti Semite. 0.92

00:07:27.000 He's not.

00:07:28.000 I don't know why I said that.

00:07:29.000 Entry into the United Kingdom.

00:07:30.000 Oh my God.

00:07:32.000 I'll pause it again.

00:07:33.000 I said that for a laugh.

00:07:34.000 Entry into the United Kingdom.

00:07:36.000 As a result, Wireless Festival is cancelled and refunds will be issued to all ticket holders.

00:07:43.000 And it goes on to say, as with every Wireless Festival.

00:07:45.000 They're doing all their promo about their bleeding refund policy.

00:07:50.000 It goes on to say, as with every Wireless Festival.

00:07:52.000 Multiple stakeholders were consulted in advance of booking Ye, and no concerns were highlighted at the time.

00:07:59.000 They go on to say anti Semitism in all its forms is abhorrent, and we recognize the real and personal impact these issues have had.

00:08:09.000 As Ye said today, he acknowledged that words alone are not enough.

00:08:13.000 In spite of this, he still hopes to be given the opportunity to begin a conversation with the Jewish community in the UK.

00:08:21.000 So that statement from Festival Republic, the organizer.

00:08:23.000 Organizers of the wireless festival reacting to the news that the government has denied Kanye West entry to the United Kingdom, and as a result, they have cancelled the wireless.

00:08:37.000 But there is no cancelled culture, though.

00:08:39.000 Hey, it's interesting because who meets the standard?

00:08:42.000 Who meets the standard?

00:08:44.000 Who thinks they're good enough to do anything anywhere now?

00:08:47.000 Who, like, I should be able to do it?

00:08:48.000 Like, everyone's so broken and flawed.

00:08:51.000 Keir Starmer, Kanye West should never have been invited to Headline Wireless. 1.00

00:08:55.000 This government stands firmly with the Jewish community and will not. 0.98

00:08:58.000 Stop in our fight to confront the poison of anti Semitism. 0.96

00:09:01.000 We will always take the action necessary to protect the public and uphold our values. 0.86

00:09:05.000 Well, that, like, man, I'd love to see the comments underneath any Keir Starmer post.

00:09:10.000 They're always the same. 1.00

00:09:11.000 You fucking. 1.00

00:09:12.000 And, like, no one likes this guy. 1.00

00:09:14.000 He is loathed.

00:09:15.000 He is detested to a degree that I don't know that I've ever seen.

00:09:18.000 In fact, here's like just a moment of him.

00:09:21.000 Football stadiums across the country are breaking out into anti Keir Starmer chants.

00:09:28.000 And the reason is, is because.

00:09:30.000 Whilst Kanye West may or may not have been or created anti Semitic content, he is also an authentic artist and a truth teller.

00:09:39.000 Keir Starmer is a person that will just say whatever you have to say at any particular point in order to maintain the bureaucratic control of imperialist systems that are a lot more dangerous than Kanye West, let me tell you.

00:09:52.000 Here he is being mocked.

00:09:54.000 Keir Starmer's alive!

00:10:02.000 I find it very heartening to watch stuff like that.

00:10:04.000 I've always liked football fans, football culture, even when I myself have been subject to their aggression.

00:10:10.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.

00:10:14.000 Tommy Robinson has said this about it.

00:10:17.000 Tommy Robinson, the British activist and patriot.

00:10:21.000 Kanye West should never have been invited to headline wireless.

00:10:26.000 He's responding to that post.

00:10:27.000 Weren't you with a terrorist last week?

00:10:29.000 I don't know who they are.

00:10:31.000 The president of Syria, Ahmad al-Sharah, formerly of Al-Qaeda.

00:10:36.000 I mean, I suppose that.

00:10:37.000 Well, I mean, Tommy Robinson's position is pretty clear. 0.95

00:10:41.000 Actually, I think that's good because Tommy is often called out for being like in the thrall of Israeli money and Zionist power and whatnot. 0.60

00:10:52.000 And there, he's advocating for what you might say is free speech principles before personalities. 0.81

00:10:59.000 If you believe in free speech, believing in free speech means, like in the comments here, like we someone's like, not everyone in the comments here is like, do you know what, Russell?

00:11:07.000 I just would like to say you're absolutely terrific.

00:11:10.000 Your reborn products, magnificent.

00:11:12.000 Whether it's the methylene blue or that pretty cool retro t shirt you're wearing, fantastic.

00:11:17.000 I've never doubted your Christianity or your sexuality.

00:11:20.000 You're a good, lovely guy.

00:11:22.000 You know, people say really mean things about me, and if I was in charge, no one would be allowed to.

00:11:28.000 But I'm not in charge, and that's reality.

00:11:31.000 And no one else should be in charge either, actually, because they're no better than you.

00:11:35.000 So why don't we all just accept that people say mean stuff?

00:11:39.000 Sometimes and do mean stuff sometimes and try to organize systems that can accommodate that rather than la You know, like Kenny Westman, he's gonna be doing stuff.

00:11:51.000 Who's this now?

00:11:52.000 Oh, and that's him, my man, before he got a proper job.

00:11:55.000 There he is, that lad, Mohammed Al Jalwani.

00:11:58.000 He's like, oh, has he got nah? 0.96

00:12:01.000 That's not him holding up human heads.

00:12:03.000 Nah, he's holding up human heads.

00:12:07.000 He's holding up that's not the same guy.

00:12:09.000 I'm not having that.

00:12:10.000 I'm not having it.

00:12:11.000 He's holding up human heads because that's like.

00:12:14.000 I mean, that's worse than.

00:12:16.000 Do you know what? 1.00

00:12:16.000 I'm concerned about the number of Jews in the banking industry and in Hollywood. 1.00

00:12:21.000 Steady on, mate.

00:12:22.000 Look, because I know lots of Jewish people that are creative and brilliant and beautiful, and I don't think it's right ever to judge anyone on the basis of their race or religion, and Judaism is both.

00:12:31.000 All right, so let's have a conversation.

00:12:32.000 Someone's like, the God of humaneness.

00:12:35.000 Now, mate, there are really very few circumstances where it's acceptable to decapitate anybody and hold their heads up.

00:12:43.000 I'm just trying to think of.

00:12:45.000 There are any time you did it. 0.76

00:12:47.000 I mean, if like the worst case scenarios, they've come in your house, they've messed with your most beloved, you've chopped their heads off. 0.51

00:12:55.000 That's the only time.

00:12:55.000 And I suppose that must be how he sees it.

00:12:57.000 That's how my old Mohammed must have seen that when he was cracking on with the beheadings.

00:13:01.000 But anyway, Keir, I mean, Keir Starmer's shaking the hands that held up the heads.

00:13:06.000 What does he get up to in his personal life?

00:13:08.000 God love him. 0.99

00:13:08.000 No, that's hypocritical. 0.99

00:13:10.000 You can't argue with that.

00:13:12.000 Let's see what the voice of Nigel Farage, a person that I've met and who I know, and is, in a sense, most likely, he's.

00:13:20.000 The key beneficiary of rising nationalism, populism, post Trump conservatism, you could call it.

00:13:30.000 Here he is.

00:13:30.000 Let's see what he's got to say.

00:13:32.000 For myself, I wouldn't buy a ticket.

00:13:36.000 I wouldn't recommend anyone buys a ticket.

00:13:39.000 I think his comments are vile.

00:13:44.000 People are so funny, aren't they, in public?

00:13:46.000 I wouldn't buy a ticket.

00:13:48.000 I wouldn't let anyone else have a ticket.

00:13:50.000 I'd like my mouth to be really wide.

00:13:54.000 If I did have a ticket, I'd put it in my little face letter box, my long, long, wide mouth like that.

00:14:01.000 He's got a very labial jowl, I'd call that.

00:14:05.000 I'd call them labial chops.

00:14:08.000 So, well, look, why is everyone pretending to be nicer than they are?

00:14:13.000 Why does everyone pretend to be nicer than they are, Dave?

00:14:15.000 Are you pretending to be nicer than you are?

00:14:17.000 I don't know, maybe.

00:14:19.000 Jake?

00:14:20.000 Are you?

00:14:21.000 This is it.

00:14:23.000 Joe?

00:14:26.000 What you see is what you get.

00:14:28.000 Yep, that's what's reassuring about Joe.

00:14:30.000 Massey's not really, he's pretending probably to be a bit meaner than he is.

00:14:35.000 Hail Satan.

00:14:37.000 Oh, praise Jesus, praise Jesus. 1.00

00:14:39.000 Refute these Babolical speech. 1.00

00:14:41.000 I actually feel in my tummy now. 1.00

00:14:42.000 I'm so Christian.

00:14:43.000 Right come, let's look at a bit more Nigel vile it's a funny way to behave. 0.61

00:14:50.000 Vile, really vile, the sort of rabbit hole.

00:14:54.000 I'd like to rotate his mouth from horizontal to vertical and I bet you could make some interesting comparisons, but maybe that's true of everyone's mouth. 0.87

00:15:02.000 The hole of Anti-semitism stroke, Nazism that he's gone down is vile. 0.89

00:15:09.000 But I think if we start banning people from No, I'm on his side. 1.00

00:15:13.000 Fair enough. 1.00

00:15:13.000 That's all right. 1.00

00:15:14.000 He's just condemning him before saying don't ban. 0.94

00:15:16.000 Cool.

00:15:16.000 He's all right.

00:15:17.000 Be Prime Minister.

00:15:18.000 People from entering the country because we don't like what they say.

00:15:23.000 I worry where that ends up. 0.99

00:15:25.000 I worry where that ends up.

00:15:26.000 I mean. 1.00

00:15:27.000 How long before people rotate my mouth from horizontal to vertical and it looks like there's no nice way of saying this a vagina mouth? 0.99

00:15:37.000 How long before that becomes the norm? 0.99

00:15:40.000 Now, it's already worrying that my.

00:15:42.000 This area here of my mouth is like.

00:15:44.000 The cowardly lion in Wizard of Oz's mouth is too big a gap between the lip and the nose.

00:15:50.000 You could drive a lorry through that thing.

00:15:53.000 I mean, if Keir Starmer was to ban people coming into Britain with whose views he doesn't like, almost nobody would be allowed in.

00:16:01.000 So I think there's a dangerous path to go. 1.00

00:16:04.000 Although that would be better for your migration policy. 0.90

00:16:07.000 So I think there's a dangerous path to go down.

00:16:10.000 I suspect, Ross, the answer to this is the free market will sort this out.

00:16:15.000 In that sponsors are withdrawing already, the festival itself is threatened, and I suspect very few people will buy tickets.

00:16:22.000 I suspect the free market will, choice will sort this out.

00:16:26.000 But I'm not.

00:16:27.000 Good old free market, we can rely on you. 0.98

00:16:29.000 What about Kenya? 0.93

00:16:30.000 Uh huh, no.

00:16:33.000 Oh, dear.

00:16:37.000 Oh, the world's funny.

00:16:40.000 That's good stuff.

00:16:43.000 There you go.

00:16:43.000 So, yeah, I, in a way, agree with Nigel Farage.

00:16:46.000 Not about the free market sorting it out.

00:16:48.000 What I think here, here's something that's probably only I would say.

00:16:52.000 There's an attempt to banalise creativity and to banish the kind of mercurial component that also frequently accompanies creative people and their endeavours and their brilliance.

00:17:05.000 Keir Starmer wants to dim out the sun, that's true, have a look.

00:17:10.000 But he also wants to dim out creativity itself.

00:17:13.000 In fact, I would say the problem with the UK and the bureaucracies of Europe, More broadly, is a dehumanizing dampening of spirit.

00:17:23.000 That's not to say that Kanye West was insensitive, maybe, to make that song N Word Isle It That.

00:17:30.000 I mean, it's pretty out there.

00:17:32.000 But what do you want from an artist?

00:17:34.000 What do you want from the Sex Pistols or from, you know, the Rolling Stones once upon a time or NWA once upon a time or Andy Warhol or Basquiat or any one of a number of Peripheral edgeland figures.

00:17:50.000 There's meant to be a kind of a challenge offered, I suppose.

00:17:53.000 The problem, I don't think the defining culture in our time is people are saying too many mean stuff in a creatively provocative way.

00:18:00.000 I think the problem is banalisation, dehumanisation, and hatred is part of dehumanisation.

00:18:06.000 So, you know, gosh, man.

00:18:09.000 But I certainly don't agree with shutting down artists for saying stuff that's a bit crazy, particularly as he's apologising anyway.

00:18:15.000 But that's just what I think.

00:18:16.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

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00:21:50.000 And then mocking God in the middle of it as well. 0.99

00:21:54.000 And this is when you realize Trump is evil. 0.96

00:21:57.000 He's not a bad president.

00:21:59.000 He's not surrounded by bad advisors or bad personnel or people that are disloyal or not giving him good advice.

00:22:07.000 I've been trying to say this for years.

00:22:11.000 It's him.

00:22:13.000 Wow, that's pretty significant, I'll say.

00:22:15.000 Nick Fuentes has a broad constituency.

00:22:17.000 Young people of that tribe adore him.

00:22:21.000 He's an eloquent communicator and he's been ardent in his support of Trump.

00:22:27.000 He went Jan 6.

00:22:28.000 He wore the hat, as he says.

00:22:30.000 To see him turn is an indication that the broad base of popular support is waning.

00:22:36.000 But even a significant contributor like Fuentes is nothing compared to Tucker Carlson, who probably epitomizes more than anyone what you might call.

00:22:45.000 Contemporary traditional American values.

00:22:50.000 He may, I suppose, epitomize them more than Trump.

00:22:54.000 And if that process continues, you could see a Tucker Carlson for president campaign emerging.

00:23:00.000 I know people have been talking about it for a little while.

00:23:03.000 And if the office of president becomes one of communication and representation in a sort of a broad and general sense, then you're going to end up with more and more people whose primary competence is communication and an ability to lead.

00:23:19.000 Publicly rising to positions of prominence.

00:23:23.000 And in a way, that's preferable to these tedious bureaucrats that have taken the reins in countries like the UK or peculiar compromised models, as in France, I'm talking about Macron.

00:23:34.000 But really, I think all of us know what's required is radical systemic change that prevents the external influences controlling national politics.

00:23:42.000 And the best way to do that would be minimal centralization.

00:23:46.000 I've said it before, and I think it might be the only thing I say for a little while.

00:23:50.000 Nevertheless, here, Tucker Carlson.

00:23:52.000 Is infuriated by Trump, and I see this as pretty pivotal.

00:23:58.000 The fact that it's happening for me means that Trump is operating on another plane now.

00:24:04.000 You could look at it very sort of practically, like, well, it's his final term, he's leaving office.

00:24:08.000 You could look at it from the perspective of, in truth, global politics is engineered and organized beyond the executive office and is controlled as many people, most people maybe believe these days, not by figures that are observable in public, but by powerful forces that remain submerged.

00:24:26.000 Here, nevertheless, is the most popular and influential political commentator in America condemning Trump pretty vehemently.

00:24:33.000 Who do you think you are? 0.98

00:24:35.000 You're tweeting out the F word on Easter morning, you'll be living in hell. 0.99

00:24:40.000 Just watch. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Praise be to Allah. 0.99

00:24:43.000 So, obviously, you're mocking the religion of Iran. 0.89

00:24:47.000 Okay.

00:24:48.000 If you see.

00:24:49.000 One thing I'd say is Tucker has made the choice to address Trump directly.

00:24:54.000 That's always an editorial choice when people do that rather than talking about Trump in a more general way.

00:25:03.000 When you make the choice to address the person you are critiquing directly, that's.

00:25:09.000 Obviously combative and directly oppositional.

00:25:12.000 Literally. 0.80

00:25:12.000 You seek a religious war. 0.80

00:25:14.000 That's a good idea. 1.00

00:25:15.000 But by the way, no decent person mocks other people's religions.

00:25:21.000 You may have a problem with the theology.

00:25:23.000 Presumably you do if it's not your religion and you can explain what that is.

00:25:26.000 But to mock other people's faith is to mock the idea of faith itself.

00:25:31.000 And we should never mock that because at its core is the acknowledgement that we are not in charge of the universe.

00:25:36.000 We did not build it.

00:25:38.000 We won't be here at the end of it.

00:25:40.000 We can destroy life.

00:25:41.000 We cannot create it because we are not God.

00:25:42.000 The message of all faith at the biggest picture level is the message in our Bible, which is you are not God.

00:25:49.000 And only if you think you are, do you talk this way.

00:25:52.000 But it's not just mockery of Islam and no president should mock Islam.

00:25:56.000 That's not your job.

00:25:57.000 This is not a theocracy.

00:25:58.000 We don't go to war with other theocracies to find out which theocracy is more effective.

00:26:02.000 We are not a theocracy and God willing, we never will be because theocracies corrupt the religion. 0.70

00:26:08.000 No, this is a mockery, not just of Islam. 0.98

00:26:10.000 It's a mockery of Christianity. 0.97

00:26:13.000 To send out a tweet with the F word on Easter morning promising the murder of civilians and then saying praise be to Allah without explaining any of it, you are mocking me and every other Christian because we're Christians. 0.83

00:26:24.000 We can't support that. 0.71

00:26:25.000 That is evil.

00:26:26.000 That is an intentional desecration of beauty and truth, which is the definition of evil. 0.99

00:26:32.000 Tucker Carlson's Christianity has come to the forefront, as it always must with true Christians, of his identity. 0.99

00:26:40.000 And I feel that that.

00:26:43.000 May come to be a pivotal moment in how Trump's presidency is regarded.

00:26:48.000 What I think is challenging is that people that hated Trump, and Lord alone knows there was enough of them in the run up to his most recent election, will be saying, See, we told you.

00:27:00.000 And it's that aspect of this that fascinates me the most because Trump still remains the person he has always been this extraordinary raconteur, buccaneer.

00:27:15.000 Egotistical and potent individual.

00:27:19.000 It's surprising for me.

00:27:21.000 It's surprising for me because.

00:27:25.000 What am I trying to say here?

00:27:27.000 I suppose the version of a belligerent and despotic Trump is always going to be more egregious than a belligerent and despotic Kamala Harris because her attributes did not lean that way.

00:27:39.000 But I still regard it as a superficial.

00:27:43.000 I don't think presidential power is the real power.

00:27:46.000 And that's what's surprising and shocking me.

00:27:48.000 I admire Tucker Carlson's authenticity, integrity, and willingness to publicly be so confrontational.

00:27:55.000 I really do admire him.

00:27:56.000 I think it's absolutely laudable.

00:27:59.000 But does it come from a place of genuine surprise?

00:28:03.000 Because.

00:28:05.000 My only surprise, the only thing that surprises me is that someone so vivid, lurid, whether you like him or not, as Trump is, it seems to me, carrying out a course of military action that would have happened regardless of who was president.

00:28:20.000 And that's more terrifying than Trump's vulgarity.

00:28:24.000 Whilst it's very difficult to disagree with Tucker Carlson's condemnation from the position of a Christian or a person that respects and loves human life.

00:28:31.000 And I'm very grateful that he's taken that stance and that position.

00:28:35.000 It's not a position I can take as an Englishman.

00:28:37.000 It's a position that I can recognize as a Christian.

00:28:41.000 What I primarily see there is wow, even Trump is just another person that's passing through a very potent system.

00:28:50.000 Who is in control of that system?

00:28:52.000 What a terrifying thing to contemplate. 0.98

00:28:55.000 If you're a Christian, you'll have some idea of what the source of this negative power likely is. 0.96

00:29:01.000 But that's just what I think.

00:29:02.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.

00:29:06.000 Trump, however, remains extremely confident, not least in his abilities to learn different languages and run other countries.

00:29:14.000 Check this.

00:29:14.000 And just so you understand, the people of Venezuela, they say if I ran for president of Venezuela, I'm polling higher than anybody has ever polled in Venezuela.

00:29:24.000 So after I'm finished with this, I can go to Venezuela.

00:29:27.000 I will quickly learn Spanish.

00:29:28.000 It won't take too long.

00:29:29.000 I'm good at language.

00:29:30.000 And I will go to Venezuela.

00:29:32.000 I'm going to run for president.

00:29:33.000 But we're very happy with the president elect that we have right now, the people that are running it.

00:29:41.000 If you remember Bush, it's interesting.

00:29:44.000 I think he, I don't know where he comes from.

00:29:46.000 Like, it's a very funny way to behave.

00:29:47.000 It's a very funny way to behave, isn't it?

00:29:50.000 Like, he's just being the president the way that he would be a president.

00:29:53.000 Who else has ever said stuff like that?

00:29:55.000 That's that.

00:29:56.000 What I do think you can't question about him is his authenticity.

00:29:59.000 What an extraordinary, unusual guy.

00:30:01.000 Do you think that tweet was some?

00:30:03.000 I don't know of anyone that has taken as much criticism and backlash and having to fight.

00:30:08.000 You think some of that was even him getting to a place that he's just so.

00:30:14.000 Tired a little bit and sending out that tweet.

00:30:16.000 I don't know, man.

00:30:17.000 I don't know what level he's operating on.

00:30:20.000 It's impossible to imagine, just even as a person that deals with a bit of public criticism and fear.

00:30:24.000 I mean, I think he's like another type of guy.

00:30:27.000 He's always done that, you know, like he puts out crazy stuff, see what happens, and then makes a move.

00:30:33.000 I mean, that's sort of his playbook, but it is crazy to talk like that.

00:30:35.000 I think he says things as they're in his head and he just lets it play out.

00:30:43.000 Same thing he did about the lady with the pretty voice, the Mexican. 0.98

00:30:47.000 So he's just saying it.

00:30:48.000 And letting it roll.

00:30:50.000 And then he tries to work it back by saying, I should be president of Venezuela.

00:30:55.000 But their leaders are also very good currently and the people are happy.

00:30:59.000 He just follows that.

00:31:00.000 He said a really funny thing one time, right?

00:31:02.000 Where he said, I was looking out a plane window.

00:31:06.000 I never sleep on planes, right?

00:31:08.000 So he's just making a mundane personal observation.

00:31:11.000 I never sleep on planes.

00:31:12.000 I look out the window.

00:31:13.000 I feel like, what kind of person says that, right?

00:31:16.000 It's so minor.

00:31:18.000 And then he goes, just looking for missiles, actually.

00:31:20.000 Like, then he's sort of like, because I could be shot out of the sky.

00:31:23.000 And what I've sort of seen him is someone who just trusts their own process, as you're saying, to such a degree that it will sort of say anything.

00:31:30.000 She's got a lovely voice, beautiful voice about the president of Mexico.

00:31:33.000 And then sometimes it might be that he's saying that.

00:31:35.000 And you're right. 0.94

00:31:36.000 Like, people, I suppose, I'm trying to keep a half a mind on the New York Times and the BBC and the sort of vocal liberals that are like, Trump is evil. 0.98

00:31:45.000 We hate him. 0.99

00:31:45.000 Orange man, bad community. 0.99

00:31:47.000 And how are they responding now?

00:31:49.000 They must be like, we told you, we told you, we told you.

00:31:51.000 But, like, that's why I want to sort of keep.

00:31:53.000 Returning to if Kamala Harris was president now, are you saying that this wouldn't be happening?

00:31:59.000 Bollocks, it would be, it'd just be a bit more boring.

00:32:03.000 It's a good way to see exactly where people are, though.

00:32:06.000 So, like, if you had any doubt, you say something that makes some people choose.

00:32:11.000 Oh, so your allies rise to the top.

00:32:16.000 The ones who are on the fence fall away.

00:32:19.000 Your enemies get louder, and it's like very clear.

00:32:21.000 You don't have to worry anymore.

00:32:22.000 You know exactly where everybody is.

00:32:24.000 What are they all doing?

00:32:25.000 I mean, what's going to happen in 2028?

00:32:26.000 I mean, it's interesting.

00:32:27.000 I don't know, man.

00:32:28.000 I don't understand it anymore.

00:32:29.000 All I understand is that we shouldn't, human beings are so fallible.

00:32:32.000 Don't put them in charge.

00:32:34.000 Well, that's just what I think.

00:32:35.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

00:32:37.000 We can't make this content without two of our partners.

00:32:39.000 Here's a message from one now.

00:32:40.000 Should we do like, I'm just looking at the stuff we've got in front of us.

00:32:43.000 We've done a couple of things.

00:32:46.000 Right.

00:32:46.000 What do you think we should do?

00:32:47.000 Would you like this?

00:32:48.000 A few things.

00:32:48.000 Sun dimming experiments.

00:32:50.000 Should we do that?

00:32:51.000 Randall Carlson, governor of Massachusetts, Gavin Newsom's wife. 1.00

00:32:55.000 British government are paying money for Pakistani grooming gangs. 1.00

00:32:58.000 Might do that. 1.00

00:32:59.000 That sounds interesting. 0.99

00:33:01.000 Humanoid robot breastfeeds baby.

00:33:05.000 I mean, just listen.

00:33:06.000 Hello, welcome back.

00:33:07.000 I mean, what do you want to listen to?

00:33:09.000 Let me know in the comments and chat. 0.88

00:33:10.000 British government are paying money to Pakistani grooming gang rapists for legal fees.

00:33:15.000 Do you want that story? 0.98

00:33:16.000 Humanoid robot breastfeeds baby.

00:33:19.000 Randall Carlson argues Earth is shaped by cosmic forces, not just internal systems.

00:33:24.000 I mean, I rather like that. 0.96

00:33:26.000 That sounds, after all these breastfeeding robots and rape gangs, it's actually quite comforting to hear, in a way. 0.52

00:33:34.000 So, all right, let's just do the ones that are most. 0.94

00:33:36.000 Gavin Newsom's wife casually admits that she would censor free speech if she was in charge.

00:33:43.000 Maybe we'll start with a little bit of.

00:33:47.000 Have any of you got strong feelings?

00:33:49.000 Massey, Joe, what are you thinking as you sit there?

00:33:52.000 It's easy, mate.

00:33:53.000 You're a speeding robot, mate. 0.97

00:33:54.000 You don't care. 1.00

00:33:55.000 You're a speeding robot. 1.00

00:33:56.000 Let's have a look at it, you sick pervert. 1.00

00:34:09.000 I mean, look, that's not right. 1.00

00:34:11.000 That's not right.

00:34:12.000 And also, that's perv technology.

00:34:15.000 It's perv technology.

00:34:17.000 It's all going to get perv, isn't it? 1.00

00:34:18.000 Now, suck my robo titties, click my robo button. 1.00

00:34:24.000 Like, the whole thing's out of control. 1.00

00:34:26.000 I don't think that's very good.

00:34:27.000 I started to realize, say, like, DARPA, DARPA developed, so, like, you know, they were involved in the Wuhan, people allege, the Wuhan gain of function research experiments that led to the outbreak of COVID.

00:34:39.000 Of one line of thought.

00:34:41.000 Some people think there never even was a COVID.

00:34:42.000 I mean, there's so many ways of looking at it, but they certainly developed a lot of satellite technology, a lot of interfaces and things that we use came first out of DARPA.

00:34:51.000 And I suppose the reason I'm talking about it is because of the idea that there's this masked technology that we don't have access to that's way advanced.

00:34:58.000 And it's just common sense, really, that the government and elite institutions would have access to technology that's not commercially available.

00:35:05.000 And I think, like, if what we're looking at is a titty robot feeding a human baby, what The hell's going on on whatever the current equivalent of Epstein Island is because all the perversion ain't gone anywhere. 0.88

00:35:18.000 They're still out there, they're still perverts. 0.99

00:35:20.000 You know, Jeffrey may be dead, but the perverts are still running the world, presumably having sex with peculiar robo breastfeeding creatures. 1.00

00:35:33.000 Terrifying to contemplate, really. 0.99

00:35:35.000 But, you know, in a heartening pivot, rape gangs in the UK are being funded by your taxes.

00:35:41.000 GB News can exclusively reveal that at least 150.

00:35:45.000 £50,000 of taxpayers' money was spent on the legal aid costs of two cousins who groomed and sexually abused five vulnerable girls.

00:35:55.000 Manzor Hussein and Imtiaz Ali, who were in Greater Manchester at the time of their attacks, were sentenced to a total of 58 years in prison in December last year.

00:36:07.000 They were convicted of rape and indecent assault.

00:36:11.000 Ali, who hosted sick sex parties and allowed other men to prey on the young girls, Had 71,111 quid's worth of.

00:36:21.000 It's funny the news in the UK, it's gone like that now.

00:36:24.000 Yeah, obviously that's pretty appalling because, as usual, it centres around the abuse and horror and violence that these kind of crimes are always locust around.

00:36:36.000 But I suppose if you've got a justice system and the justice system is publicly funded and you agree that criminals have the right to a defence, that's actually just a matter of course.

00:36:48.000 They would have defense fees.

00:36:50.000 I suppose it's an awful lot of money, isn't it? 0.86

00:36:53.000 Gosh, what a terrifying, disgusting, terrifying world.

00:36:57.000 It makes me want to. 0.65

00:36:58.000 We've got to crack on.

00:36:59.000 I think we've got to crack on because I need some recovery.

00:37:02.000 After the robo titties and publicly funded rape gangs, I need to focus on recovery.

00:37:11.000 And that's why we have Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell with music provided by the ever lovable Jake Smith.

00:37:22.000 Yeah.

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00:37:56.000 Crack on.

00:37:59.000 Never less than heartening to hear that.

00:38:01.000 Welcome to Crack On with Dave, Joe, and Russell, where we talk about recovery from alcohol and drugs and also how these principles can be applied to freeing you from a world that seems to want to get you ultimately hooked to robot knockers in one way or another.

00:38:21.000 Joe, how's your recovery going this week, mate?

00:38:25.000 It's been tested.

00:38:26.000 Well, it's not been tested.

00:38:28.000 I've had a real busy kind of week, mate.

00:38:32.000 I've been doing HGV driving, driving big articulated lorries, like learning how to drive them, right?

00:38:39.000 So it's been challenging.

00:38:42.000 I don't get on too well with the guy who's teaching me.

00:38:46.000 He's hard work.

00:38:47.000 That's the truth.

00:38:49.000 I did two days of driving about a month back, and the first guy I had was well calm, and he was like a good teacher, a good communicator.

00:38:58.000 And it went really well.

00:38:59.000 I thought, this is easy.

00:39:00.000 I can do this already.

00:39:02.000 And I was learning to reverse and whatnot.

00:39:04.000 The next day, I had this different guy, and he was like intense.

00:39:07.000 He speaks fast and quick and loud when you're moving. 0.99

00:39:09.000 And it's like, fucking hell, mate, chill out. 0.99

00:39:11.000 I've got all that going on up here. 0.99

00:39:13.000 I need you to be calm out there, and then this will work. 0.99

00:39:17.000 But if you're loud out here and intense, plus what's going on up here, we're fucked. 0.98

00:39:22.000 So you're driving a big articulated lorry in our language, truck in American, articulated to like a juggernaut. 0.99

00:39:29.000 You'll learn how to drive it.

00:39:30.000 And the fellow that's teaching you, what's he a bit jittery?

00:39:33.000 How does he talk to you, Joe, that's troubling you? 0.98

00:39:36.000 He fucking freaks out, mate. 0.99

00:39:38.000 Nice. 1.00

00:39:39.000 He panics.

00:39:39.000 Like he panics bad.

00:39:41.000 Like, and you don't have them in the States, right? 0.61

00:39:43.000 Roundabouts.

00:39:44.000 We've got roundabouts in the UK.

00:39:45.000 So it's like a round junction where you have to drive around it.

00:39:49.000 You can exit to turn left.

00:39:50.000 You can go straight on.

00:39:51.000 Or round the roundabout.

00:39:53.000 All right.

00:39:54.000 So, bearing in mind, I'm driving a big articulated lorry with a huge trailer on it.

00:39:58.000 When you come too close to a corner, you're likely to hit the roundabout.

00:40:03.000 So, you have to take it really far out and then come in.

00:40:07.000 Now, a car was coming in and came too far into its entrance to the roundabout.

00:40:13.000 So I couldn't go as far out as I needed to.

00:40:17.000 If I did, I'd have ripped the front of the car off, right?

00:40:20.000 So I've had to come in a little bit.

00:40:21.000 He's going to move. 0.99

00:40:23.000 I'm like, what the fuck do you want me to do? 0.98

00:40:26.000 So I've gone over a bit of curb and hit a sign. 0.99

00:40:31.000 He wouldn't have stopped going on about it.

00:40:32.000 Oh, you've hit the sign.

00:40:33.000 Whoa, you've hit the sign.

00:40:35.000 I was like, what?

00:40:36.000 I'm all right with it.

00:40:38.000 Was it a tip?

00:40:39.000 You've not understood the principle of a day.

00:40:41.000 Like, you being all right with it is not the standard of any road safety test.

00:40:46.000 I'm not freaking out.

00:40:47.000 You can't say I'm all right with it.

00:40:48.000 You've got, like, easy, well within his rights to point out that you've hit a sign.

00:40:53.000 Now, like, what was this sign?

00:40:55.000 And what is this sign?

00:40:57.000 Right, he wouldn't leave it alone.

00:41:01.000 It was selling advertisement space.

00:41:03.000 It was a sign about that big, saying this sign could be your advertising space. 0.99

00:41:07.000 Like, fucking no one cares. 0.99

00:41:08.000 Do you know what I mean? 0.99

00:41:09.000 Not anymore.

00:41:10.000 That's flattened it.

00:41:12.000 He took that out of the game.

00:41:14.000 What I'm getting at is, we've gone past it.

00:41:16.000 It's like, yeah, of course, you hit that.

00:41:17.000 Yep, you hit that sign.

00:41:19.000 I was like, I know, you keep saying, you keep saying I hit it.

00:41:22.000 And I was there when it happened.

00:41:24.000 I was involved in the whole thing.

00:41:25.000 If anyone knows about hitting the sign, it's you, the mastermind behind that operation.

00:41:32.000 Drove it straight into it.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, he's annoying that guy.

00:41:34.000 What I like, Joe, is you are rejecting the fundamental dynamic of like you're in a test.

00:41:40.000 And it's easily done, really, isn't it?

00:41:43.000 Like, because really, a test situation, you're being scrutinized and observed.

00:41:46.000 You've rejected that shallow, superficial social arrangement like Joe's in charge.

00:41:52.000 Didn't you, the time that he was doing testing you before, like you sort of had to have a word with him? 0.93

00:41:57.000 I just had to say, listen, he's fucking stressing me out. 0.98

00:42:00.000 I threw a little fucking, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:42:02.000 And then he was cool. 0.99

00:42:03.000 He was all right after that.

00:42:04.000 On this occasion, though, after this one, it's settled a little bit.

00:42:08.000 Then we're on to the next roundabout.

00:42:09.000 He goes, oh no, third exit, turn right.

00:42:12.000 I was like, oh, cool. 0.99

00:42:13.000 And on approaching it, there's no trust with the way he communicates and that because he said some shit that he didn't mean to a few times. 0.98

00:42:21.000 So I reaffirmed, I said, third exit, turn him right. 0.98

00:42:23.000 Yep, third exit, turn him right.

00:42:25.000 We're going round the roundabout.

00:42:27.000 Bang, I put on the indicator to come out to the third exit and turn around.

00:42:30.000 He goes, Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? 0.99

00:42:32.000 I was like, Bro, what the fuck is wrong with you? 1.00

00:42:34.000 What? 1.00

00:42:34.000 Like, what? 1.00

00:42:35.000 And just stopped dead on the roundabout.

00:42:35.000 What?

00:42:38.000 I said, Force exit, we're coming back this way.

00:42:40.000 I was like, You didn't.

00:42:41.000 You said, Turn right.

00:42:42.000 I said, You need to calm, mate.

00:42:44.000 You need to be calm with me, you know?

00:42:46.000 You're actually giving him a lesson in how to be a.

00:42:50.000 I'll come to that.

00:42:51.000 Is this a test?

00:42:52.000 Is this a test?

00:42:53.000 Or is it a lesson?

00:42:54.000 This is preparing for the test.

00:42:55.000 I got the test on Friday.

00:42:57.000 And then we've carried on from there, and he said, Oh, there's Joe's roundabout referring to the roundabout or after the sign and that.

00:43:03.000 I said, Listen, I said, You know, I can't drive articulated lorries, and I'm learning to.

00:43:09.000 So, this is the process of learning.

00:43:12.000 If I knew how to do it, I wouldn't be here.

00:43:15.000 I'd already have the license, but I can't.

00:43:17.000 So, I need you to teach me, right?

00:43:20.000 Part of that process means I'm going to make mistakes.

00:43:22.000 I'd prefer that didn't happen and that I could flawlessly drive this lorry.

00:43:27.000 Do you understand?

00:43:28.000 He's like, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, all right then.

00:43:31.000 Oh, well, this is your job.

00:43:33.000 Chill.

00:43:34.000 Come on.

00:43:35.000 I'm on Joe's side.

00:43:37.000 What I like about Joe, like, in a way, it's very kingdom.

00:43:39.000 It's very kingdom.

00:43:40.000 Like, Joe's rejecting the patterns of this world.

00:43:44.000 Like, the pattern of the world is you're in a driving lesson.

00:43:47.000 Joe's like, well, actually, you're actually reiterating the explicit function because your man there has gone into a bit of a state of panic.

00:43:55.000 I was today considering something that's Really sort of obvious, like in fact, it came up in the last show when you're a drug addict, all you think about is drugs and alcohol.

00:44:04.000 And when you're consumed by addiction, probably of any kind, there's an obsessive component in addition to the compulsive component.

00:44:11.000 And our relationship with God has to become obsessive is not the right word, but I think of like, say, like a destitute and crazy person, like most of us in addiction.

00:44:21.000 Like, I think sometimes about what St. Paul's life must have been like.

00:44:26.000 He's in jail, he's chained up, he's having to like live in impoverished conditions.

00:44:30.000 If you're gonna be a person of God, you're You're going to find yourself, if you're serious about it, at odds with the world.

00:44:36.000 And if you've nested your religiosity into the world, your real religion is the world. 0.86

00:44:44.000 True faith is going to bring you to odds with the system because it's an irreligious system, generally speaking. 0.58

00:44:53.000 So, what I like about Joe is the way, among other things, is the way that he's willing to put his own principles ahead of the situation. 0.70

00:45:03.000 What do you think about it, Dave?

00:45:05.000 I think constantly.

00:45:06.000 I think you're going to be at odds.

00:45:08.000 A lot.

00:45:09.000 I mean, you're just going to be taught.

00:45:12.000 I mean, if you're serious about growing in your relationship with God, like you're going to get taught a lot.

00:45:19.000 I think, is it, it wasn't, it was it really about, is it, was it the tone and the sporastic and the, it's like, I think we live with such high anxiety sometimes, you know, that it's like, I can't handle, I get that way with my kids too.

00:45:36.000 It's like when I'm high, highly anxious at times when, which a lot of the time, like my kids are the ones that can just bring it out so quickly.

00:45:45.000 It's already there in me.

00:45:47.000 But like when they're, ah, or like, and you're like, Geez, just tell it to me calmly.

00:45:54.000 In high stress situations, you need to speak to people slow and calmly, right?

00:46:02.000 And when you're in the middle of a maneuver, especially to go, quickly, that ball to the right, that ball to the left. 0.99

00:46:09.000 What the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:46:11.000 You saw this roundabout. 1.00

00:46:13.000 You're an instructor.

00:46:14.000 It's your job.

00:46:15.000 You know, you're teaching me to drive over that thing that's about 30 yards in front of us.

00:46:19.000 Prep me.

00:46:20.000 Maneuver in this lane.

00:46:21.000 When you go in, I want you to be like that.

00:46:23.000 Brilliant.

00:46:24.000 That's it.

00:46:24.000 Easy.

00:46:25.000 You go, cool.

00:46:26.000 We know what's coming. 0.96

00:46:27.000 You're acting like you're fucking surprised that I'm turning too late or too late. 0.98

00:46:31.000 Like, tell me, man. 0.98

00:46:32.000 Tell me, and I'll do it.

00:46:33.000 But it's in the heat of the moment.

00:46:35.000 Like, I'm going to give that back. 0.99

00:46:37.000 Well, what the fuck? 0.99

00:46:39.000 This lorry's dangerous. 1.00

00:46:40.000 What if we run someone over?

00:46:41.000 Ah, I used to.

00:46:43.000 Russell, I swear to you, I was saying to Massey before we started the show, like, he goes, straddle these two lanes when we come up to this junction.

00:46:50.000 I'm like, cool, straddling the lanes.

00:46:52.000 He's like, what's this car doing?

00:46:53.000 I bet they're just going to go around us. 0.99

00:46:54.000 They're going to fucking go. 1.00

00:46:55.000 Watch out for them. 1.00

00:46:56.000 Watch out.

00:46:57.000 What can I do even if they do?

00:47:00.000 I'm in a bit of a trouble.

00:47:00.000 We've got to start filming him.

00:47:02.000 We've got to start filming him.

00:47:03.000 We need to put a GoPro in that car.

00:47:06.000 What do you reckon his previous profession was?

00:47:08.000 Me and Joe were talking about it.

00:47:10.000 Based on how this guy teaches, what do you think he did before this?

00:47:14.000 Oh, do we know the answer to it?

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:17.000 All right.

00:47:18.000 Based on how he teaches, well, maybe school.

00:47:21.000 Oh, God.

00:47:22.000 Driver in the army.

00:47:24.000 He was in the army.

00:47:25.000 Driver.

00:47:25.000 I was saying teacher as well.

00:47:26.000 That's amazing.

00:47:28.000 That's incredible.

00:47:29.000 He was in the army. 0.95

00:47:30.000 Oh, bloody hell. 1.00

00:47:31.000 You can't trust these Iraqis. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Look at them, the bastards. 1.00

00:47:36.000 This was. 1.00

00:47:37.000 So today was four and a half hours of driving, right?

00:47:40.000 So on the way there, I'm chilled, mate.

00:47:42.000 I've got Gregory enchanting on in the car, prayed a rotary in there.

00:47:47.000 I'm feeling so peaceful.

00:47:49.000 And I know I'm doing a reversing test.

00:47:51.000 I've got half an hour in the lorry practicing, and then it's straight into the reversing test, and then uncoupling and coupling to the trailer and all that.

00:48:01.000 But the reversing test is pretty hard.

00:48:03.000 You've got to go around the cone, and these things are massive, mate.

00:48:07.000 They're massive.

00:48:08.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:48:08.000 But it went really well.

00:48:10.000 So it's like, That's quite a heightened state, like the adrenaline, you know what I mean?

00:48:14.000 And there was, I got a little bit annoyed because there was another instructor turned up with a pupil and they're like getting out of the lorry and watching.

00:48:21.000 I said to him, Do they have to be there?

00:48:23.000 Why are they here?

00:48:24.000 Why are they here?

00:48:25.000 What are they doing?

00:48:26.000 Are they waiting for us?

00:48:28.000 It's like, well, yeah, that's you.

00:48:31.000 Some of this is him.

00:48:32.000 Some of this is me.

00:48:34.000 You remember Jamie Winship was talking about how fear will stack someone else's fear, your fear, and it'll heighten each other.

00:48:43.000 Yeah, Jamie Winship is the kind of living fearless we're all bang into.

00:48:46.000 And Joe had a chat the other day.

00:48:48.000 Jamie Winship is a brilliant writer who teaches Christian principles in a way that I think is real excellent because I'm trying to find the right way of saying it.

00:48:57.000 Everyone says that being a Christian is about having a personal relationship with Christ.

00:49:01.000 But then, when you meet and talk to people, everyone gets a little bit denominational and packs their relationship with Christ with their particular denomination or sometimes their own morality.

00:49:11.000 I'm not saying just denomination in terms of Protestantism, Catholicism, orthodoxy, or whatever.

00:49:16.000 I'm saying, like, you know, some people will be focused on ethics, some people will be focused on mystery.

00:49:21.000 What Jamie is focused on in his brilliant book, Living Fearless, is how Christ will change you, like, how meeting Christ will bring out the truth of who you are.

00:49:34.000 Like that, you've got a false identity built out of the world and trauma, to use a sort of a therapeutic word, and that is masking who you really are.

00:49:43.000 And if you're in that false identity, you're going to make a lot of mistakes.

00:49:47.000 It really resonated with me.

00:49:48.000 Like, oh my God, I'm in my shame, I'm in my fear.

00:49:50.000 It started to change me straight away.

00:49:52.000 I've started, I'm actually now observing it happening.

00:49:55.000 Like, I've been in Christ for ages, and this morning, you know, when I say ages, I'm talking about like I've got up at, say, seven, and we've gotten to like 11.

00:50:05.000 I was like, wonder what's going to be the thing.

00:50:07.000 That stops me being like this.

00:50:09.000 Like everyone I'm interacting with, whether it's being appropriate in my interactions with males and females at yoga or whatever people I work with, then when it's my wife, when my wife, like, we're like, it's like we're talking about money and like stuff with you and your family, Dave.

00:50:27.000 Like, my wife's like, I don't think we should do this and I don't think we should do that.

00:50:30.000 And like, I see myself let go of God.

00:50:34.000 I see myself let go of the hand of Christ and sort of go, Into fear.

00:50:39.000 I watch it happen.

00:50:40.000 I watch it happen.

00:50:41.000 Now, Jamie, he teaches a technique called Tyrannosaurus Rex mouse.

00:50:46.000 Like, as soon as someone else goes Tyrannosaurus Rex, you go mouse.

00:50:51.000 Because if you go Tyrannosaurus Rex, then you're into a conflict dynamic.

00:50:56.000 And I think you, Joe, when you're not personally affected, like when you've described situations, Joe's don't mind getting involved in a hot and combative situation and chilling it out.

00:51:08.000 Chilling it out, even if that involves physicality and confrontation.

00:51:13.000 But perhaps when you're like all of us, when your own buttons are pressed, it's harder.

00:51:18.000 I mean, I think actually the real test for you in these driving situations is can I remain with Christ while I'm driving this lorry and while I'm dealing with this guy?

00:51:32.000 Or am I going to let go of Christ and go into old techniques?

00:51:36.000 I mean, they're all old techniques manipulation, charm.

00:51:39.000 Like, would be more like the sort of things I would do, but also intensity.

00:51:43.000 Like, I use intensity if I start to feel threatened, like I sort of feel it going up, you know.

00:51:49.000 I'd start reacting.

00:51:51.000 Like, it'd be hard to, instead of responding, like, I'll find myself, oh, I'm going to react.

00:51:57.000 And you probably, honestly, Joe, you probably, if you look back at it, you probably restrained yourself a lot in it too.

00:52:04.000 You're like, like, like, I let a little bit out, but like, not even close to all of it.

00:52:11.000 Like, I could have just, you know.

00:52:15.000 There were little times where I was like, Look, let's just, it's all right.

00:52:18.000 I said, It's all right.

00:52:19.000 I said, Surely stuff like this is priced in, no part of the learning process.

00:52:23.000 He goes, Well, no, no, it isn't.

00:52:27.000 I wonder what he's like with other people.

00:52:29.000 I would like to see it.

00:52:30.000 I would like to see someone else have a lesson for him. 1.00

00:52:33.000 Like, you know, when you meet other people's parents or whatever, and they go, My parents are fucking bastards. 1.00

00:52:38.000 And then you meet them, they go, I like them. 1.00

00:52:40.000 Yeah.

00:52:41.000 Like, it's always like that, isn't it?

00:52:44.000 Like, I bet if I met, you know, sort of like anyone.

00:52:46.000 Parents, like it's all like you know, but like enough, I hear like the way people talk about oh, my dad does this, my mum does that, and then you meet them and they're like, I think they're nice.

00:52:54.000 I actually go out of my way to make them much nicer, but I don't like it if people go like my parents, like my parents, fantastic, you know, it is.

00:53:03.000 Um, anyway, so okay, all right, so let's think about this like from a recovery perspective, what uh Joe's describing there, Dave, is a resentment, and I do think that more and more this really aligns with the stuff we've learned from Jamie this week.

00:53:18.000 That the process of inventorying is about moving from your fake identity to your true identity.

00:53:26.000 Particularly, that becomes relevant in the fears in the fourth column, in the 12 steps tradition.

00:53:31.000 In the fourth column of inventory, you would say the lorry driver for making me nervous or talking too quickly or offering unclear.

00:53:41.000 What would be, you know, like some of the people we work with, Tim M, I'm thinking of, in the second column would make you, what is your resentment against that?

00:53:47.000 What's the charge in the second column against your thing, Joe?

00:53:51.000 Talk us through that resentment.

00:53:53.000 Speaking loud and intensely mid maneuver.

00:53:58.000 Speaking loud and intense.

00:54:00.000 You're going to let that pass, Dave?

00:54:01.000 Is that good resentment?

00:54:02.000 Mid maneuver.

00:54:03.000 Speaking loud and intensely mid maneuver.

00:54:11.000 I'm trying to put myself in the air.

00:54:14.000 He panics.

00:54:15.000 The guy's panicked.

00:54:16.000 I'm taking the role of, like, look, let's be calm.

00:54:20.000 Let's take it easy.

00:54:22.000 Let me know what I'm doing, if I need to prepare for a juncture.

00:54:26.000 Like, I'm taking that role and I'm not the teacher.

00:54:29.000 I'm the one saying.

00:54:29.000 I'm the kingdom.

00:54:31.000 But listen, though, like, who's your identity in Christ or the world?

00:54:34.000 Who's your identity in?

00:54:35.000 You should be doing this.

00:54:37.000 If our Lord has chosen you to be an anchoring and protective presence in the kingdom, when you're confronted with a nervous person, like, you've got to be like, I wonder if you could get to the point of doing it nicely.

00:54:37.000 You should be doing that.

00:54:51.000 I sometimes just struggle to lose the sarcasm type thing.

00:54:54.000 Like, I wonder if you could get to the point where it's like, Even though I'm doing the driving test, I'm so in Christ, I'm going to be loving to this guy.

00:55:02.000 We're saying, Jacob, this is the test, though, right?

00:55:07.000 Let Jake do his and then you round us out, Jojo.

00:55:10.000 I was just going to say at a certain point, as you continue to grow maturity and God reveals things to you, most of your interaction with people are going to have to be you seeing it better than they're seeing it.

00:55:21.000 Oh, wow.

00:55:22.000 That's all the time.

00:55:23.000 Always.

00:55:24.000 Most of my interaction, even if I go into a room that's like, these are all professionals, I feel like I'm watching them interact and I'm not getting engaged with, even if they're saying, this is my role or whatever.

00:55:36.000 I feel like as maturity continues to happen and you're.

00:55:40.000 That's going to happen everywhere.

00:55:42.000 Otherwise, also, from a, that's a great Christian view from Jake showing off. 0.74

00:55:48.000 But like, here's like from Dave over there, it's like from, and it's like expectation territory. 0.72

00:55:54.000 I was going to say, I have an expectation that this guy's the teacher, that he's going to be calm and mature.

00:56:00.000 And I do think, though, whenever you start on inventory work, it says putting the other person outside of our mind entirely.

00:56:09.000 Right.

00:56:09.000 And so it's like you being able to go into like, The real thing is, it's not about him.

00:56:17.000 And that's the hardest part about any inventory stuff is thinking, okay, that's not, I cannot be thinking it's because of what he did.

00:56:27.000 He did this, he did that.

00:56:30.000 And thinking, hey, no, this is, and if my mind is on, okay, God's ingraining in me this pause when agitated or doubtful, he's granting to me these principles in this that the test is not just a Lori test.

00:56:47.000 Laurie, that's really racist.

00:56:54.000 That it's not about this guy at all.

00:56:55.000 This is, and I think it's, dude, I know for me, it's stuff inside me that just, it's already there and it's just coming out.

00:57:03.000 Yes.

00:57:03.000 And I think it's fear for me.

00:57:05.000 It's fear.

00:57:06.000 I'd be fearful driving a truck that I've never driven before and going about roundabouts.

00:57:11.000 It's fear, I think, and obviously expectations as well, right?

00:57:16.000 And it, These resentments are always so hard to get past because it's a reasonable expectation to expect a driving instructor that's not a nervous passenger, that's calm and a good communicator, clear, concise language, and a calm demeanor.

00:57:33.000 And I got none of that.

00:57:35.000 Even like.

00:57:37.000 Third exit, turn right.

00:57:38.000 He meant fourth exit, come back on yourself.

00:57:40.000 Like, it was just. 1.00

00:57:45.000 I'm recording these now because I've been talking about you and, like, you're a fucking lunatic and we're recording it. 0.99

00:57:51.000 So, as we can properly and correctly observe what's going on in the studio and in everyone's podcast. 0.99

00:57:58.000 I just had to do it.

00:57:59.000 I actually need a wee quite badly and I've been holding it off for a while and the fart's just a pressure valve.

00:58:04.000 Like, see what I'm just thinking.

00:58:07.000 Like, I like.

00:58:08.000 Combining what Jake and Dave are saying there, Joe, and like the stuff that I know you know anyway, really, mate, is like that we've got to get to the point where we live by faith and not by sight.

00:58:19.000 Yeah.

00:58:19.000 Like how this applies in my situation is I've obviously got to get to the point where I let go of outcomes, even in quite pivotal dramas in my life.

00:58:28.000 So, like, getting to the point where it's like, say, Jake, like it's, and I was really, I was trying to do it this morning.

00:58:34.000 It's like I knew I was in Christ, I was in my identity in Him.

00:58:37.000 I didn't, I weren't trying to, like, I was being basically kind.

00:58:40.000 I didn't want, like, you know, I mean, kind as in my eminence.

00:58:43.000 It's not like the actions, but what I'm essentially behaving like is I don't want anything from anybody.

00:58:48.000 It's not like, but now, like, what we would add to that is you want to be in conditions and situations where you can help people.

00:58:53.000 When you know yourself, your identity, and your gift, you will move into situations where you can be of maximum use to others.

00:58:59.000 You won't be trying to just get stuff from the world all the time.

00:59:02.000 I need this.

00:59:03.000 Now, even addicts, that becomes extreme.

00:59:04.000 You're in crack houses, you're looking at porn, you're doing things that are about feeding the disease, that active, What Eckhart Tolle would call the pain body in you, this thing that's waiting to get lit up, what Jamie would call the false identity.

00:59:17.000 It's waiting in there just for a situation.

00:59:19.000 And it's like, how much tide can you take?

00:59:22.000 How much pressure?

00:59:24.000 Because that's when you get into some Isaiah territory and the potter, it's like he's showing you the furnace.

00:59:29.000 And I love it when it gets to the end of Isaiah when he's going, you think, like before he says that famous, no weapon forged against you shall prosper, he's saying, I made the blacksmith, I made fire.

00:59:40.000 Do you think any weapon against you can be like, I made all of this?

00:59:46.000 So, when you're in a like, you know, if we can, can we get to a state where we're like, where we're in the furnace, where we're in the true, like the real Nebuchadnezzar fires and be like, I'm staying with you, God.

00:59:58.000 I'm staying with you, God.

01:00:00.000 I'm staying with you, God. 1.00

01:00:01.000 And like, at what point do you just go, fuck it now? 1.00

01:00:04.000 I'm going in myself. 1.00

01:00:05.000 I'm going to go into myself now.

01:00:08.000 I've found that he's in the actual real fires.

01:00:13.000 He's there.

01:00:15.000 The false fires are just revelations of where you are.

01:00:18.000 I mean, like today, it's lucky that I'm getting more conscious or maturing or however you want to put it, because I was asking myself, what's it going to be?

01:00:26.000 I know enough to know I'm going to come out of this state where I'm just being polite to people.

01:00:32.000 I'm cool.

01:00:32.000 I don't need anything.

01:00:33.000 I'm in it.

01:00:35.000 What's going to bring me out?

01:00:36.000 And then.

01:00:37.000 I didn't notice as I started to do it, like it's like I switched off, but in it, I'm like, you're doing it now.

01:00:42.000 Now, you're doing it with Laura.

01:00:45.000 You're getting irritated by her not doing something you've asked her to do and all these kind of things.

01:00:49.000 It's cool, you can see it in real time.

01:00:51.000 It might have been days before, weeks or months, you could see it in real time and make the correction.

01:00:56.000 Another observation I might make, even though it's pretty personal, is I think Laura was in it.

01:01:00.000 As in, I think Laura was transmitting on that level.

01:01:03.000 So that might be part of what Joe's experiencing with his instructor, is the instructor Is in fear.

01:01:10.000 He's in a fearful identity.

01:01:12.000 Like, I'm not, like, you know, like, but you're what I reckon our job is as followers of Christ is for you to be able to get to a place.

01:01:19.000 This is why we need the 12 steps as well to clear the path, huh?

01:01:22.000 Is to get to a point where you'd be able to go, like, without it being sarcastic or hostile or mean.

01:01:29.000 Are you all right, mate?

01:01:30.000 Like, are you all right?

01:01:31.000 And you actually mean it.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, I think of that.

01:01:34.000 I think if we look at him as a sick person, like us, like us as a sick person, not in, like, hey, I'm judging him.

01:01:41.000 But they're sick like us.

01:01:43.000 And think of, I mean, this guy was a driver in the army, like what his life has been like up to this point.

01:01:49.000 You know, I don't know if he's had any recovery or even knows himself well enough to even know how much fear he's in, you know.

01:01:56.000 And then it's like, ah, okay, now I can have some.

01:02:00.000 He might be a traumatized veteran.

01:02:02.000 He might, for all we know, like I was driving a glory like this.

01:02:05.000 My friend died.

01:02:06.000 I had to, the only way I can make a living now is saying that's related to driving because I got all these skills in the army.

01:02:11.000 And then you yell at him.

01:02:12.000 You are a very unkind.

01:02:21.000 Maybe.

01:02:22.000 No, what do you mean, maybe?

01:02:24.000 Like, that's not your true identity.

01:02:25.000 Maybe this is.

01:02:26.000 I'm thinking in my head now what he'd make of this.

01:02:30.000 Watching this. 0.99

01:02:31.000 What the fuck are these we're talking about? 0.99

01:02:33.000 Yeah, no. 0.99

01:02:34.000 We always drive carts of vegetables or something.

01:02:38.000 We don't need that in the army.

01:02:40.000 I'm going to put these avocados.

01:02:42.000 Look, what about Jojo?

01:02:44.000 Like, do an impression of him.

01:02:45.000 So I can feel what he's like.

01:02:47.000 I can't be unkind.

01:02:48.000 I can't.

01:02:49.000 That's a shame.

01:02:49.000 I can't.

01:02:50.000 All right, do it.

01:02:50.000 And if he's unkind, he's a species of camera.

01:02:54.000 Can you cut this?

01:02:54.000 Can you cut it?

01:02:55.000 Well, if he's unkind, he coughs.

01:02:59.000 He coughs.

01:03:01.000 He's traumatized.

01:03:04.000 He's got a cough like that.

01:03:05.000 Yeah, that might be.

01:03:06.000 Cut that up.

01:03:07.000 An up cough. 0.99

01:03:09.000 That up cough.

01:03:11.000 That's not.

01:03:11.000 That's a person who's.

01:03:12.000 That's Falklands.

01:03:14.000 That's Goose Green.

01:03:15.000 He's been on Goose Green with Ross.

01:03:17.000 Kemp, he's a veteran.

01:03:19.000 He's been, he's probably on the Belgrano with Simon Weston.

01:03:22.000 I don't think they let him near the front line.

01:03:24.000 This fella, right?

01:03:26.000 He went front line.

01:03:28.000 He's too jittery.

01:03:30.000 He's too jittery, man.

01:03:32.000 He is now, yeah.

01:03:33.000 Right, okay.

01:03:35.000 They kept him well away from it.

01:03:38.000 He's gagging down, he's gagging down bird food, driving freight containers full of birds around the barracks.

01:03:48.000 Can't be unkind.

01:03:50.000 Oh, man.

01:03:51.000 Well, look, I don't know where the ins and outs are.

01:03:51.000 All right.

01:03:53.000 So, Joe, it sounds like you've come a long way, baby.

01:04:00.000 You're doing really well.

01:04:01.000 But I would like, my hope is, is it actually the test on Friday?

01:04:04.000 It won't be him anyway, will it?

01:04:05.000 Does he do the test?

01:04:06.000 He doesn't do the test.

01:04:07.000 It's a DVLA fella.

01:04:09.000 And I've got someone else with me tomorrow for a four hour block of driving.

01:04:14.000 Different instructor.

01:04:15.000 So, you'll see.

01:04:16.000 If you have problems with that one, it's you.

01:04:18.000 Yeah, apparently he's all right.

01:04:20.000 But it was this geezer that told me that.

01:04:22.000 So, I like him.

01:04:25.000 He's very honest.

01:04:27.000 He won't take no nonsense.

01:04:30.000 He's erratic.

01:04:31.000 I wonder if what he thinks he thinks.

01:04:31.000 He's edgy.

01:04:33.000 I'd like to know what he thinks he's doing.

01:04:35.000 And I'd like to hear this guy.

01:04:36.000 I want to hear the instructor's podcast with his mates.

01:04:39.000 He'll be like, I've got this man coming in a truck.

01:04:42.000 He's intimidating me.

01:04:43.000 He stuck his chest out.

01:04:45.000 He elbowed me.

01:04:46.000 He's driving straight over roundabouts.

01:04:48.000 A lovely sign that could have been used for advertising.

01:04:51.000 He ploughed straight over that.

01:04:53.000 It was like, have you seen that film Speed with Sandra Bullocks and Keanu Reeves?

01:04:59.000 Oh, it's not like he was Keanu Reeves.

01:05:02.000 He'd go like, well, we better go back.

01:05:04.000 Yep, here we go.

01:05:05.000 Back to the scene of the crime.

01:05:07.000 And then later on, when we drove past him, here it is, Joe's roundabout.

01:05:12.000 I was like, what's he going on about?

01:05:13.000 He was just like, I can't even bother you that much.

01:05:17.000 I've seen you.

01:05:18.000 I saw you that one.

01:05:19.000 I saw him.

01:05:20.000 Yeah, I'm going for a win.

01:05:22.000 But if I was resentful at him at that moment, I would.

01:05:25.000 That would piss me off too.

01:05:26.000 I would have been like, Oh, it's annoying me, mate.

01:05:29.000 If he gives you a sign when you graduate and he just brings you a sign, that would be amazing.

01:05:35.000 Please, please, can we get a GoPro in the next one?

01:05:39.000 Just put a GoPro up there so we could have some footage of it.

01:05:44.000 I'm not even exaggerating him. 0.97

01:05:46.000 He's mental, mate. 1.00

01:05:47.000 He's mental, man. 0.99

01:05:50.000 I've not seen you that pissed off before, Joe, when you were telling me about it earlier. 0.92

01:05:53.000 You're fuming, mate.

01:05:55.000 I've had enough, man.

01:05:56.000 I've well had enough.

01:05:58.000 Like, At the start of the lesson, after doing the reversing test, I was saying to him, I bet this is a nice job, man.

01:06:05.000 Like, you're up high, great views of the roads and nice trees and the countryside and that.

01:06:10.000 I said, I bet it's great having a nice podcast on, some nice music, good little number.

01:06:14.000 This. 1.00

01:06:15.000 About an hour later, I was just thinking, oh, fuck this guy, mate. 1.00

01:06:20.000 I was just getting so angry and just wanted to get out. 0.99

01:06:24.000 Something that was pretty enjoyable, you know?

01:06:27.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 I think back to the expectations thing.

01:06:33.000 I think maybe that's part of my thing is like my expectations for people are so low that I'd rather be shocked that they're better than I thought they were because, you know, and I think, and I don't feel like I'm cynical.

01:06:49.000 I do want the best in people.

01:06:51.000 Like I am hopeful that I can meet someone that can add value or be what they say they are.

01:06:57.000 I mean, I am hopeful.

01:06:58.000 I don't think I'm cynical, but I think my expectations are so low that, Even if somebody said they were great, I wouldn't believe it, you know?

01:07:08.000 No. 0.97

01:07:09.000 I think, like, what got me this guy, yeah, was like, you know, if you make a mistake, right, and you acknowledge that shit, obviously, I did not mean to hit a sign. 0.95

01:07:21.000 I also didn't want to smash into a car. 0.96

01:07:24.000 And the lesser of the two was, bump the curb, you might tip a song.

01:07:28.000 But he was like, oh, you hit it.

01:07:30.000 Yeah, you did.

01:07:31.000 Yeah, you definitely hit it. 0.98

01:07:33.000 You fucking went right over that. 1.00

01:07:33.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:07:35.000 Fuck, she went right over. 1.00

01:07:37.000 It's like, mate, like, I know I made him spat. 1.00

01:07:41.000 What are you trying to get out of me here?

01:07:42.000 What do you want?

01:07:42.000 Yeah.

01:07:44.000 More shame.

01:07:45.000 Yes.

01:07:46.000 Bingo.

01:07:47.000 Are we really going to get off on it?

01:07:48.000 Bingo.

01:07:49.000 Do we move forward?

01:07:50.000 Yeah, I get the same thing when someone keeps repeating something that's like, okay, yeah, I shouldn't have hit it or I shouldn't have done that or yeah, I got it.

01:08:00.000 But then they keep repeating it.

01:08:00.000 I hear you.

01:08:02.000 And I'm like, I heard you the first time.

01:08:04.000 You know, I start to get upset where it's like, hey, you don't need to keep repeating it.

01:08:10.000 I think that's because it's like, I mean, dude, shame to the nth degree, right?

01:08:16.000 Like, I have so much shame already.

01:08:18.000 And then it's just shaming, just bringing up that shame.

01:08:22.000 I shouldn't even say shaming me, it's like bringing up the shame that I already have.

01:08:26.000 Yeah, but Davey's right too that we have to, as the program says, put aside the other person entirely because I think what we do is we use our ability to discern and analyze without acknowledging our tendency to potentially, in this situation, intimidate.

01:08:42.000 And the idea that there's a, An objective version of that man that doesn't alter depending on who he's interacting with and what situation he's in is implausible.

01:08:51.000 So, definitely, we know, as the program suggests, that we are contributing.

01:08:56.000 Like when it says in 12 and 12, if whenever we're disturbed, we know that we are contributing also.

01:09:01.000 So, we focus on what we can do.

01:09:04.000 What people don't, I think, declare enough about that mindset is that you're taking kind of your power back.

01:09:09.000 You're saying that I'm not a victim to the world.

01:09:14.000 A participant and the part of your identity that's being enforced when you blame other people through blame in general is I'm not powerful enough to control my own life.

01:09:24.000 Now, of course, because fundamental to the 12 steps is powerlessness, that's why I suppose, first of all, we have to acknowledge God, we work for God.

01:09:33.000 That's my, you know, we're in it, we work as it says in step three, we're on an entirely different basis now.

01:09:39.000 He's the principal, I'm the agent, he's the manager, I'm the worker, he's the creator, I'm the creature.

01:09:45.000 Like, once we sort of like, if we're coming from that place, but you know, but as it says, it also in our program, we're children of God and we bow before no one.

01:09:52.000 When you're in that position, when you're in that identity, that mindset, when you have that perspective, I reckon that you can face the world freely.

01:10:04.000 And I suppose when something like this happens, it doesn't indicate to you, oh, look, this is a threshold that I've not yet passed when it comes to maintaining my conscious contact.

01:10:13.000 Yeah.

01:10:14.000 Yeah, I mean, it's a spiritual growth.

01:10:16.000 It's an opportunity for it.

01:10:17.000 And I don't view it like that at the moment, for sure.

01:10:21.000 But like, I can look back on it and go, okay, I see that.

01:10:24.000 Now I can grow from it.

01:10:25.000 But I wonder, I wonder like what that would look like.

01:10:29.000 What would it look like if you were in like, it had no power?

01:10:34.000 It brought up nothing in you.

01:10:36.000 There was, it didn't shame like him coming back.

01:10:39.000 I think of like him going, there it is, the scene of the crime.

01:10:42.000 Yeah.

01:10:43.000 It's funny.

01:10:44.000 It would become really funny.

01:10:46.000 Imagine if I was there, right?

01:10:49.000 You'd, I think we'd really think this was this guy was hilarious.

01:10:52.000 That's what I think because I think that the part of you that's annoyed by him, I would be able to take care of, and like we would like find him very, very amusing.

01:11:01.000 I mean, like, what about Joe?

01:11:03.000 When we used to drive to meetings together, like, we used to, like, that's how we'd become firm friends is we'd drive to meetings, and like, because I don't know, man, we're just driving my little mini, and like, I drive pretty nuts sometimes.

01:11:14.000 And like, sometimes Joe would go, not over the brow of a hill, the brow of a hill.

01:11:22.000 That's one of the moments I remember.

01:11:24.000 It's like we were unsighted, sort of like, you know, anyway, it's very silly, actually.

01:11:28.000 But, you know, I'm in the UK, this is Friday, so I'm in the UK being interviewed by the police right now.

01:11:35.000 But, like, about, you know, you know what it's about, it's the same stuff, you know.

01:11:39.000 And obviously, like, when you say that thing about not going into the shame, this is what this challenge has been in my life because it's such an untrue, shameful thing that has aspects to it, i.e., I slept around a bunch and that's not what I should have been doing, I was wrong.

01:11:56.000 To live that way, I was wrong to live that way.

01:11:58.000 It's the only way, only all I knew.

01:12:01.000 It brings up a lot of shame.

01:12:02.000 So, when I'm in that situation with the police, I was like, I'm thinking about how am I going to be when I'm with the police?

01:12:07.000 And part of me wanted to get to the point where I started to find myself arriving at a point where I'm not being polite to these people anymore because they are participants in something that I consider to have quite nefarious undergirdings, one might say.

01:12:19.000 But I, what does the Lord want?

01:12:22.000 What does the Lord want, Jake, like when I'm in there? 1.00

01:12:26.000 I think bring the peace with you because the Christian, it's almost the opposite of like they, you should make the people you interact with go, How is he acting this way? 1.00

01:12:36.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:12:37.000 How is he walking with such calm and peace and he's still caring about us with everything he has going on?

01:12:44.000 It should be godly.

01:12:46.000 That's the interaction.

01:12:48.000 Oh, that's it.

01:12:49.000 See, then your power is not, you're in the world, not of it.

01:12:52.000 It's interesting, isn't it?

01:12:54.000 Because I always sort of wanted to be Jesus. 0.93

01:12:56.000 And I didn't really reckon, like, and it was sort of stupid, like, because I wanted to be Jesus in some sort of, I don't know, glamorous way, I think. 0.91

01:13:04.000 But as a Christian, that's what you're being called to do. 0.93

01:13:08.000 You're being called to disciple him, to be trained by him, to get out of the way.

01:13:13.000 Like, say in the St. Francis prayer, Lord, make me a channel of thy peace.

01:13:18.000 That where there is hatred, I may bring love.

01:13:21.000 That there's going to be hatred there, but I'm going to bring love there.

01:13:23.000 Where there's wrong, I'm going to bring the spirit of forgiveness.

01:13:27.000 Where there is discord, I will bring harmony.

01:13:29.000 That where there is error, I will bring truth.

01:13:31.000 The weather is doubt, I will bring faith.

01:13:33.000 The weather is despair, I will bring hope.

01:13:35.000 The weather are shadows, I will bring light.

01:13:37.000 The weather is sadness, I will bring joy.

01:13:40.000 Lord, grant that I may seek rather to comfort than to be comforted, to understand than to be understood, to love than to be loved.

01:13:50.000 For it is by self forgetting that one finds, it is by forgiving that we are forgiven, it is by dying that we awaken unto eternal life.

01:13:58.000 Amen.

01:13:59.000 Like when we, if we can get into that consciousness, Like, you know, that no one else, you're expecting hatred.

01:14:05.000 You're expecting despair.

01:14:07.000 You're expecting wrong.

01:14:08.000 And you're not like, where there is hatred, let me bring a bit more hatred. 1.00

01:14:13.000 Where there is wrong, let me fucking smack them in the mouth. 0.99

01:14:19.000 Last week, yeah, I had a more intense situation and I was dealt with it much better. 0.99

01:14:24.000 So I was doing a little security job, which involved travel.

01:14:27.000 So I had to go to Dubai.

01:14:29.000 I was there for Holy Thursday and Good Friday.

01:14:34.000 And on Good Friday, I wanted to go to Mass at three o'clock.

01:14:37.000 Now, this is a country where there's reported airstrikes and you've got them alerts going off on your phone and all that kind of stuff.

01:14:42.000 So I didn't know, but having got to where the church is, it's all like fenced off.

01:14:48.000 There's big sort of walls and a security gate.

01:14:51.000 And people were just stood outside and they're saying, no, they've shut the church.

01:14:55.000 The government's shut the church and they've shut, like, I think they shut the Sikh temples, but like the mosques were still open, but they'd shut all the other religions and that. 0.98

01:15:03.000 So I had the answer straight away, like, it's Good Friday.

01:15:06.000 This is three o'clock mass.

01:15:07.000 I think.

01:15:08.000 One of the most important days out of the year, and couldn't get in there.

01:15:14.000 So I thought, right, we'll stay here and pray.

01:15:15.000 And everyone was praying at the wall and touching the wall and on their knees.

01:15:19.000 It was like, it was a real beautiful moment.

01:15:22.000 And I thought, right, stay here and have a little pray.

01:15:24.000 And then the security have come out and they're in that, like, it was so rude, disrespectful.

01:15:30.000 And they were angry.

01:15:32.000 They were in some sort of fierce state, obviously.

01:15:34.000 And they said, two minutes, say your prayers and leave.

01:15:37.000 Say your prayers and leave.

01:15:38.000 And I thought, no, I'm not doing that.

01:15:39.000 I took my shoes off and everything, got right on my knees.

01:15:42.000 I thought, I see it as my duty here to stay here for the full hour that mass would be on.

01:15:47.000 Praying the rosary so that when people do come, they know they can stay and pray and that it's all right.

01:15:53.000 Halfway through it, I thought I'm going to get arrested here for praying a rosary.

01:15:56.000 I thought this is quite cool.

01:15:58.000 I like the idea of that.

01:16:00.000 And I did, I stayed there the full hour.

01:16:02.000 And like I was saying to you, Russell earlier, on Good Friday, usually you kiss the feet of Christ on the crucifix.

01:16:08.000 Rather than that, I had to kiss this wall of the church.

01:16:12.000 And that's a Good Friday I'll never forget.

01:16:14.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:16:15.000 And that's an example of where I can hold it together and Do the right thing and be calm and compassionate and even of service to people around me.

01:16:25.000 But put me in a lorry of an instructor that's a bit irritating. 0.99

01:16:28.000 I lose my shit after a couple of hours. 0.99

01:16:30.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:16:31.000 The lorry driver was there.

01:16:32.000 Like, oh, you've been paying for over two minutes.

01:16:34.000 Yeah, never mind airstrikes and missiles going off.

01:16:39.000 You know, I suppose, yeah, it's interesting because we're invited to be participants in discernment and wisdom, of course.

01:16:46.000 But there's part of what we're meant to be doing that's remaining with him always, remaining with him always.

01:16:54.000 And it's not when you're in a higher purpose, like, you know, I've been thinking about praying on and feeling lately.

01:17:01.000 I don't, it's not like I don't mind dying for what I believe in.

01:17:05.000 Of course, I have some pretty typical fears about dying and some pretty typical fears about suffering.

01:17:10.000 But it's the idea of like that spending all this energy.

01:17:13.000 And fear and agitation, and it being about sort of selfishness, things that are connected to self.

01:17:21.000 I don't want that.

01:17:22.000 You know, I think we've got no choice but to engage ourselves at the highest level with His kingdom, doing what He would have us do.

01:17:30.000 Because otherwise, you're going to spend your life religiously pursuing selfish ends. 0.99

01:17:34.000 And it's pathetic. 1.00

01:17:36.000 It's pathetic. 0.99

01:17:37.000 Like, you know, we're here for a purpose. 0.99

01:17:41.000 Like, if you sort of would like, if you, you know, at the moment of death, think this is.

01:17:45.000 What I believe in.

01:17:45.000 I see what I believe in.

01:17:47.000 Martyrdom, e.g., but then it's a good name for a good t shirt slogan.

01:17:53.000 Martyrdom, e.g., but like at least you're participating in something of value.

01:17:57.000 This purpose.

01:17:57.000 Well, there's some literature there, Dave.

01:17:59.000 Yeah, you mentioned this.

01:18:01.000 So the end of bottom of 87, as we go through the day, we pause when agitated or doubtful, ask for right thought or action, constantly remind ourselves we're no longer running the show, humbly saying to ourselves many times each day, Thy will be done.

01:18:16.000 We are then in much less danger of excitement.

01:18:19.000 Fear, anger, worry, self pity, or foolish decisions, we become much more efficient.

01:18:25.000 We do not tire so easily for not burning up energy foolishly as we did when we were trying to arrange life to suit ourselves.

01:18:32.000 Amen.

01:18:33.000 I don't know if I'll ever fully get that lesson, right?

01:18:36.000 Like that is a daily, it's a growth tool, to be honest.

01:18:43.000 Like, you don't want to not have lessons too, you know?

01:18:49.000 You don't want to have things that don't pop up throughout the week.

01:18:51.000 If nothing pops up, Throughout weeks and weeks, then, like, are you really growing?

01:18:56.000 Like, are you really pinpointing your thresholds and where stuff comes out?

01:19:03.000 You're completely right, Dave.

01:19:04.000 I don't see, like, you going on Friday.

01:19:09.000 I picture if I'm in your shoes walking in there, I'm immediately, I mean, everything in my body and mind is screaming, this is the enemy.

01:19:19.000 This is the, these are people trying to falsely take me down.

01:19:23.000 Like, like that's the, I don't know, besides seeing the prosecution team or something like that, this is, this is the closest I'm getting to the enemy, right?

01:19:35.000 So it's like these, these guys are directly against me and trying to, Screw up my life, my family.

01:19:42.000 Like, it'd be that, that's going to be really tough.

01:19:45.000 Yes.

01:19:46.000 I mean, I think you can't handle that well unless it's supernatural, unless God intervenes.

01:19:54.000 That's right.

01:19:54.000 In a way, and that's where we need to live.

01:19:56.000 We need to live in only the place where He would have us.

01:19:59.000 Otherwise, what are we doing?

01:20:01.000 We're already dead.

01:20:02.000 And all of us know that, if all of us know, atheist, Christian, or otherwise, what beauty, we know it when we feel it.

01:20:10.000 We know there is something else.

01:20:12.000 We know there is something else.

01:20:14.000 We feel it sometimes in sorrow, sometimes in awe, sometimes in joy.

01:20:20.000 And the claim that meaning itself can exist without a creator, I think, is in itself an implausible claim.

01:20:28.000 Hey, but that's just what I think.

01:20:30.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.

01:20:32.000 Thanks for joining us today for Crack On with Dave and Joe.

01:20:35.000 And of course, Jake and Massey, even though their addictions are far more diffuse.

01:20:41.000 Invisible and is it?

01:20:42.000 Hey, not all disabilities are visible, yeah?

01:20:45.000 Not all disabilities are visible.

01:20:48.000 Good luck with your driving, mate.

01:20:50.000 And I'll see you in the UK, baby.

01:20:53.000 And thanks a lot.

01:20:54.000 Thanks a lot.

01:20:55.000 Join us next week, Monday, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:20:59.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - April 10, 2026

Who Decides What’s Acceptable Now? — SF702

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