Stay Free - Russel Brand - March 12, 2025


Who’s Controlling the Narrative? Iran, Epstein, and the Fight Over Women’s Sports – SF552


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There's no such thing as a woman in women's sports, but Gavin Newsom thinks there should be one. Is he taking a moral position or a politically expedient one? And what does that mean for trans women in sports?

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00:02:36.000 We're talking about women's sports. 0.81
00:02:38.000 There's no such thing as a woman. 1.00
00:02:40.000 There's no such thing as a sport.
00:02:42.000 The whole of reality is a game.
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00:03:28.000 Are there such thing as women's? 1.00
00:03:30.000 And are there such thing as women's sports? 1.00
00:03:32.000 Women's? 0.99
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00:03:50.000 Some people say two.
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00:03:53.000 Some say that love itself has to be the absolute priority.
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00:04:06.000 One positive thing that's emerging as a result of the growing power of online commentators are conversations between surprising people, notably and specifically in this instance, Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsom.
00:04:17.000 Many of you will have absolutely dismissed Gavin Newsom as a kind of joker without the makeup style figure, a kind of power-hungry old-school dem simply looking for new ways to assert power.
00:04:30.000 But in his conversation with Charlie Kirk, he took the astonishing position that women's sports should be for... 0.52
00:04:36.000 I remember my perspective being ordered slightly.
00:04:39.000 Well, I think it was Ted Cruz who said, why have women's sports at all? 1.00
00:04:43.000 Why is it a category?
00:04:45.000 And I think that's brilliant.
00:04:47.000 And if trans women are women, what is a trans woman? 1.00
00:04:51.000 There are certain questions that have emerged now that help us to navigate our way through the space.
00:04:56.000 My contribution, I hope, is that I would always use whatever pronoun, name, or title people asked of me, and I would always look to non-judgment and love as the principles towards which I ought bias when in doubt.
00:05:08.000 Let's have a look, first of all, at Gavin Newsom's conversation with Charlie Kirk before seeing what they believe over on The View.
00:05:13.000 I'll tell you what they believe on The View, whatever they're told to believe that particular...
00:05:16.000 It's like you right now should come out and be like, you know what?
00:05:20.000 The young man who's about to win the state championship in the long jump in female sports, that shouldn't happen.
00:05:26.000 That's real peer pressure from Charlie Kirk there.
00:05:28.000 You should come out right now.
00:05:30.000 Wait, what?
00:05:30.000 What do you mean?
00:05:31.000 I mean, come out and say that women's sports are for women. 1.00
00:05:36.000 But you as the governor should step out and say no.
00:05:38.000 No, and I appreciate it.
00:05:39.000 But like, would you do something like that?
00:05:40.000 Would you say no men in female sports? 0.99
00:05:42.000 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness.
00:05:43.000 I completely agree with you on that.
00:05:45.000 So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.
00:05:48.000 So I suppose that is Gavin Newsom, a figure of the left, breaking ranks and saying he believes that women's sport should be.
00:05:53.000 Do you think that Gavin Newsom there, let me know in the comments in chat, is taking a moral position or a politically expedient position?
00:05:59.000 Do you think that Gavin Newsom's change of harm is because he has radically ordered his perspective?
00:06:05.000 Or do you think that Gavin Newsom is lobbying for a new position as a potential leader in the...
00:06:12.000 Barren wastelands of the decimated Democrat Party.
00:06:15.000 There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety and depression.
00:06:22.000 And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard time with as well.
00:06:28.000 So both things I can hold in my hand.
00:06:31.000 How can we address this issue with the kind of decency?
00:06:34.000 That I think, you know, is inherent in you, but not always expressed.
00:06:39.000 That's interesting.
00:06:39.000 Well, that's going to really good places.
00:06:41.000 I reckon those are the kind of conversations I want to see more of.
00:06:43.000 Let me know in the comments in chat if you agree with that.
00:06:45.000 Certainly it had a degree of integrity and authenticity that you're unlikely to find around the ovum table on daytime television.
00:06:54.000 Over at The View, let's see their conversation with Dylan Mulvaney now and how they tackle the same idea.
00:07:00.000 And when I say the word tackle, I'm not being saucy.
00:07:02.000 Last week, California governor Gavin Newsom said that he thinks that trans athletes competing in girls and women's sports was deeply unfair.
00:07:13.000 Now, I think actually that Whoopi Goldberg's delivery style has become a little bit self-parodying.
00:07:25.000 Because you do know that there's a, surely, sport is about physical excellence combined with mental acuity.
00:07:36.000 Anyone that's met a truly excellent athlete will recognise the deep intelligence.
00:07:42.000 You need only look at Mike Tyson!
00:07:45.000 Throwing a dart into a bullseye while blindfolded to know that even the kind of force and power that accompanies pugilistic excellence must be allied with great intelligence to see that.
00:07:58.000 But here, with Dylan Mulvaney on the panel, Whoopi Goldberg appears to be taking a contrary position.
00:08:04.000 I'd love to hear how that unfurls.
00:08:08.000 I want to hear what you say, because I... I'll tell you what I think, too.
00:08:13.000 The last time I played a sport, I was six years old, and I was on a soccer team, but I assigned myself as the nurse.
00:08:20.000 So I sat with the band-aids.
00:08:22.000 And so, in the words of Wicked, I am not that girl.
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00:09:47.000 But a dear friend of mine, Skylar, he is a trans athlete.
00:09:51.000 His handle's Pink Manta Ray.
00:09:53.000 That's someone who I really look to for guidance.
00:09:56.000 And I think that is what's tricky is like now stepping in this identity.
00:10:00.000 I'm still like a baby trans.
00:10:02.000 I get it.
00:10:03.000 But that example is a...
00:10:05.000 Female to male transition. 0.98
00:10:08.000 And if these words are offensive, it's certainly not a deliberate attempt to be offensive.
00:10:13.000 It's me trying to untangle something that seems kind of complex and is generally presumed natural and also biblically ascribed as natural.
00:10:23.000 I agree with Gavin Newsom, though, that love is the ultimate principle, that whatever you think about sports, you should never let truth outrun love.
00:10:31.000 But if what you're having is a running competition, you should never let men outrun women while claiming to be women. 0.86
00:10:38.000 That seems reasonable, doesn't it?
00:10:41.000 So if a former male transitions to female, there are not concomitant and accompanying biochemical advantages, specifically testosterone, that are accompanying that change.
00:10:55.000 Ultimately, what people are addressing is the kind of unfairness...
00:10:59.000 That South Park so brilliantly explored in the Randy...
00:11:03.000 The Randy Savage episode.
00:11:07.000 Did you see that?
00:11:09.000 I'm going to...
00:11:10.000 But if you're putting yourself at a disadvantage, I mean, yeah.
00:11:17.000 I think about it myself.
00:11:18.000 People often like to say the top 100 tennis players would beat Venus Williams or the best junior soccer teams would beat women.
00:11:26.000 But that goes both ways.
00:11:28.000 I'm a jiu-jitsu purple belt, but I don't fancy my chances against Gina Carano. 0.93
00:11:31.000 She would mess me up.
00:11:34.000 No, do not explore that psychological avenue, Russell.
00:11:37.000 That is the old you. 0.86
00:11:38.000 You are a broken man and you are going to do better.
00:11:40.000 But the point of it is, is that there are all sorts of different abilities, but when you're dealing with absolute excellence, you need the biochemical advantage that...
00:11:51.000 In the case of male versus female, a male is afforded. 0.81
00:11:56.000 So even there, Dylan Mulvaney's answer is a little contrarian, I would offer, because she uses a female to male athlete to make the point.
00:12:07.000 You know, I've only three years in, tomorrow's my anniversary.
00:12:10.000 I mean, look, I do think, I was a weird kid.
00:12:17.000 And I recognise when people grow up feeling weird or strange or outside or whatever term you want to use, that when you come into yourself, that is glorious.
00:12:26.000 And one of the ways you might come into yourself is by becoming trans.
00:12:30.000 But I reckon it's not a statistically significant portion of the population.
00:12:34.000 But that minority that it affects, I agree, ought be loved and supported.
00:12:40.000 But the principle of love and support you would apply to anyone, like anyone, anywhere.
00:12:45.000 In any condition, there aren't certain causes that warrant compassion and others that don't.
00:12:50.000 They all do!
00:12:52.000 Female to male.
00:12:53.000 I think that what you've learned there is that the View audience has been coached into applauding certain issues.
00:12:58.000 And when people talk about, like, the sort of silos in a culture, that's part of it, isn't it?
00:13:03.000 If Dylan Mulvaney said that on the Fox 5, she wouldn't get that response.
00:13:07.000 Until we have a world where Dylan Mulvaney will come on this show and we can speak openly and lovingly, we can't begin to improve.
00:13:15.000 So in the spirit of Charlie Kirk and Gavin Newsom, Dylan Mulvaney, come on.
00:13:18.000 Let's have a conversation because I am a person that's...
00:13:21.000 Completely open and compassionate to all forms of expression.
00:13:24.000 That Jesus Christ loves all of us, all of us, without exception.
00:13:29.000 And that love is the answer.
00:13:31.000 Truth must not be allowed to outrun love.
00:13:33.000 But love cannot abandon truth.
00:13:35.000 And it's competing with other males.
00:13:38.000 Correct.
00:13:39.000 No.
00:13:39.000 Yes.
00:13:40.000 Her friend.
00:13:40.000 Her friend went from female to male and is competing with other males.
00:13:44.000 So Gavin doesn't have a problem with that.
00:13:46.000 No, well, I think part of the problem that the trans community is facing, and it's the same problem that women face.
00:13:56.000 Whoopi Goldberg got Gandhi there on her t-shirt.
00:13:59.000 Ultimately, the kind of woke values that Whoopi is advocating for will extract and annihilate even Gandhi.
00:14:06.000 You can go on a variety of video platform sites right now, and I'd suggest you use Rumble, and find people saying, Gandhi, he was a freak!
00:14:14.000 He slept in a bed with his daughter!
00:14:16.000 Like, Gandhi ain't even perfect.
00:14:18.000 We're reaching the point where Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Mother Terrain, all of the greats are being just cast out.
00:14:25.000 And I wonder what Gandhi, a crusader for truth...
00:14:29.000 An opponent of imperialism and colonialism and a lover of God.
00:14:33.000 A man willing to write to Adolf Hitler and say, you are possibly the only person in the world that can prevent world war right now. 0.75
00:14:40.000 That kind of spirit of endeavor and intrepidness and interrogation that was in Gandhi has been reduced to a logo on a t-shirt.
00:14:47.000 It has to be more than a logo on a t-shirt.
00:14:49.000 It has to be a message that's deep in your heart.
00:14:51.000 If you don't know anything about our bodies, you don't know how it works.
00:14:56.000 So when you come in and you say, I don't think that is the assumption, actually.
00:15:14.000 That's a straw man argument, or a straw woman argument, or a straw trans argument. 0.91
00:15:17.000 The argument is, in absolute excellence...
00:15:21.000 The smallest margins and most infinitesimal variables become hugely significant.
00:15:27.000 That's why you get someone like that, Lance Armstrong, was that his name?
00:15:30.000 Like refueling his blood, more oxygenated to get an edge on other cyclists, like nipping behind a head.
00:15:36.000 If like putting more oxygen in your blood makes a difference, what difference does bone density and testosterone make in excellence?
00:15:43.000 When it comes to something like pilots, I think that you should adjust society to the point where the kind of economic disadvantages experienced by African Americans There's no reason why across a moderate but high consequence profession like piloting, there shouldn't be more representation from females. 1.00
00:16:00.000 I don't think that's the absolute upper echelons of excellence.
00:16:03.000 But sport is, and also it's combat and conflict.
00:16:07.000 So in a way, you've got to have common sense, but you can't have common sense without some agreed-upon principles.
00:16:12.000 And those agreed-upon principles have to include things like...
00:16:15.000 A man and a woman are biologically different. 0.91
00:16:17.000 And if you abandon that, you're deliberately creating a nihilistic wasteland where everyone feels bewildered and confused.
00:16:22.000 And isn't it ironic and ridiculous that it was the Olympic ceremony where we saw that bewilderment practiced at large, even though they then subsequently claimed, well, that's not what we meant. 0.98
00:16:32.000 We weren't trying to desecrate Christ by having trans people licking a smurf. 1.00
00:16:36.000 We did that out of respect. 0.99
00:16:38.000 You have to, you can...
00:16:40.000 Be who you want to be, but not at the expense of all reality.
00:16:45.000 Have you seen female athletes? 1.00
00:16:48.000 They know what they're doing.
00:16:50.000 I don't think even Dylan Mulvaney agrees with that.
00:16:53.000 I think even Dylan Mulvaney would recognize...
00:16:56.000 Say, we mentioned Mike Tyson earlier.
00:16:58.000 Mike Tyson, whose excellence in hand-eye coordination, let alone what he achieved as a professional athlete, has certain...
00:17:06.000 Let's call them biological advantages, but he is in extreme.
00:17:10.000 He has those advantages over everyone, more or less, in his prime, literally everyone in the world.
00:17:16.000 That included men and women.
00:17:18.000 To even go against someone that's in that top tier, you have to, you can't, otherwise wouldn't...
00:17:24.000 Otherwise you would get rid of the categories altogether, wouldn't you?
00:17:28.000 Why are there no female Premier League or indeed professional football players? 1.00
00:17:34.000 And why has no female footballer ever gotten so good as to warrant, listen, just let her play with everyone. 1.00
00:17:41.000 That happens.
00:17:42.000 Do you know when that happens?
00:17:43.000 Pre-puberty.
00:17:44.000 My daughter plays soccer against boys in mixed groups because she's prepubescent. 1.00
00:17:51.000 So prior to puberty, it actually doesn't matter.
00:17:54.000 Puberty means some things.
00:17:56.000 It means adulthood, consent, sexuality, you know, consent in conjunction with the law, of course, and it means certain different advantages.
00:18:04.000 Ignoring that and annihilating that, I think...
00:18:07.000 It does ultimately lead to those extraordinary conversations where people start talking about children being able to, you know, like paedophilia is just a lifestyle choice.
00:18:14.000 Part of it is bewilderment.
00:18:16.000 Part of it is about engendering a state of bewilderment.
00:18:19.000 You're claiming that what you're doing is supporting the needs of the vulnerable.
00:18:23.000 Well, I think it's possible to do both.
00:18:24.000 I would support anyone's right to be who they are.
00:18:26.000 I'll call anyone anything they want me to call them.
00:18:28.000 And I respect and love individuals, trans, non-trans, everyone, because I'm a Christian and because I'm trying my best to be a good person.
00:18:35.000 But that doesn't mean there are no categories for anything and that there is no God and there is no nature and we can all just make everything up as we go along.
00:18:42.000 But I see who benefits from that mindset.
00:18:46.000 Established power.
00:18:47.000 Benefits from that because it creates confusion and bafflement and bewilderment and in chaos, the powerful ascend.
00:18:54.000 So I'm not sure what's going on or why this is an issue.
00:18:58.000 The same for me as when people say, oh, you know, I don't know how I feel about you.
00:19:05.000 You do.
00:19:06.000 God doesn't make mistakes.
00:19:07.000 The point is...
00:19:09.000 Absolute elite female athletes are only as good as less elite male athletes. 0.98
00:19:15.000 That's totally demonstrable.
00:19:16.000 You can show that in the top-ranking tennis teams and football teams.
00:19:20.000 It's not about ordinary folk, actually.
00:19:23.000 It's about a generalized advantage.
00:19:26.000 I don't know that you would tolerate...
00:19:28.000 A 15-year-old girl playing sports against 5-year-old boys because you'd think the 15-year-old girl's got a disadvantage. 1.00
00:19:37.000 It just happens that in the instance of elite athletes, it's a male versus female.
00:19:44.000 And also, I suppose it's difficult because there is a male supremacy there.
00:19:48.000 But it's not male supremacy.
00:19:51.000 It's strength and speed supremacy.
00:19:53.000 and in general strength and speed in the upper echelons of excellence are male traits.
00:20:00.000 But me against Gina Carano, the speed and excellence is with Gina Carano, so I'd be at a disadvantage.
00:20:05.000 These are extraordinarily revealing arguments and it was only by using assertive and oppressive censorship that we didn't reach obvious conclusions more quickly.
00:20:16.000 I don't know how I feel about you.
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00:21:41.000 God doesn't make mistakes.
00:21:43.000 That's a really important claim because now the claim is being made that God is being expressed through the actions of an individual and a culture.
00:21:51.000 Now all religious groups and mystics at some point come near to making that claim.
00:21:56.000 That's why you have to check continually for these principles.
00:22:00.000 Duty.
00:22:01.000 Sacrifice.
00:22:01.000 Because...
00:22:02.000 Sacrifice is not about suffering, but suffering is often a consequence of sacrifice because in sacrifice we acknowledge there's something more important than ourselves.
00:22:14.000 So if someone isn't making sacrifice while simultaneously claiming they're acting on behalf of some god, they probably are not, or at least possibly are not.
00:22:23.000 And the challenge is not to the trans people, it's to the people who are not trans. 0.74
00:22:29.000 That's what God is looking to see, how you treat people.
00:22:35.000 Hopefully over the course of this video you've seen two things.
00:22:38.000 One, that new media can tackle complex conversations far more adeptly than...
00:22:44.000 Old media, i.e.
00:22:45.000 Gavin Newsom talking to Charlie Kirk's a lot more interesting than Whoopi Goldberg talking to Dylan Mulvaney.
00:22:51.000 And Dylan Mulvaney, come on here.
00:22:53.000 Whoopi Goldberg, come on here. 0.65
00:22:54.000 I mean the show, Jesus.
00:22:55.000 I like this, what I'm trying to say.
00:22:57.000 Let me, I should clear up any mess there.
00:22:59.000 Ah, this is getting worse, this euphemism.
00:23:01.000 My point is this, that old media, with its allegiances to ideas that are ultimately tending towards globalism and corporate control, can't afford two vital things, conversation, transparency, and honesty.
00:23:13.000 And that's why the trans issue for so long created so many casualties, ridiculously among them. 1.00
00:23:19.000 Brilliant people like Graham Linehan or J.K. Rowling, people that were just trying to authentically speak sense.
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00:24:13.000 A victory for Trump was a victory for free speech!
00:24:16.000 Right?
00:24:19.000 There are few people in Congress whom we could openly advocate for and say that they are transparent, authentic, and stand by their principles.
00:24:27.000 One such name is Thomas Massey, who has consistently spoken out against the type of interests that get people in a lot of trouble.
00:24:36.000 Whether you are pro-Israel or anti-Israel, surely you agree that Thomas Massey is a principled politician who speaks not as a result of biases, lobbying, and donor money, Generally speaking, anti-corporate beliefs.
00:24:51.000 Now, Thomas Massey has voted against a bill that Trump is pushing through that...
00:24:55.000 Some are interpreting as being pro-war and advantageous, potentially, I don't know, to Israel.
00:25:01.000 Is that what this is about?
00:25:02.000 In any event, Massey and Rand Paul, both of Kentucky, have voted against it.
00:25:08.000 Let me know in the comments and chat if you want politicians that are willing to stand up for what they believe in, or do you believe that unity, as Donald Trump himself says in a Truth Social post, is the most important thing?
00:25:19.000 And let me know if you feel that Trump is governing out of alignment with the way that he campaigned and breaking All right, from the White House to Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are racing the clock to keep the lights on.
00:25:34.000 We are literally just days away from reaching that deadline on Friday at 12 a.m.
00:25:39.000 Eastern.
00:25:40.000 And House Republicans are kicking the can down the road with a 99-page continuing resolution that would fund the government through the end of September.
00:25:49.000 Now, that resolution includes an increase in defense spending by $7 billion.
00:25:54.000 And $6 billion for Veterans Health.
00:25:57.000 Already we know two Republicans who say they are no on this.
00:26:02.000 Congressman Thomas Massey and Senator Rand Paul.
00:26:05.000 They are both from Kentucky.
00:26:06.000 So let's bring in CBS News Congressional Reporter Torian Small for more on this.
00:26:10.000 He's live at Capitol Hill.
00:26:11.000 Torian Massey and Paul are a no.
00:26:13.000 Have they said why?
00:26:17.000 Yeah, those two, like you said, Republicans from Kentucky are looking for even deeper spending cuts.
00:26:24.000 This isn't just an issue that resonates with them.
00:26:27.000 Republicans at large within the party for months now have been talking about how it's time to start cutting spending, especially at Biden era levels.
00:26:38.000 The difference, though, is Donald Trump himself, the president, has come out to endorse this continued resolution and pleading with Republican lawmakers through his Truth Social page, asking them to hold off on these fights.
00:26:52.000 Wait until after the stopgap measure is passed through both the House and Senate and makes it to his desk to be signed into law before they start worrying about these fiscal concerns.
00:27:04.000 They believe that now is in the time for those fights, they being the White House, and deeper conversations could happen more effectively when it comes to budget resolution for the fiscal year 2026.
00:27:17.000 As part of that, we are hearing from Republicans that Speaker Johnson is interested in codifying some of these cuts across the board to these federal departments and agencies as part of that fiscal year 2026 plan.
00:27:32.000 But right now they have an imminent deadline approaching and they're just trying to get this across the finish line as quickly as possible without approaching their colleagues across the aisle.
00:27:45.000 Centurion Democrats are saying that this spending bill is going to rip away health care, President Trump says no it won't.
00:27:51.000 What's the truth here?
00:27:54.000 Yeah, so Democrats are pointing to the fact that this bill doesn't protect what they see as endanger these critical safety net programs like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, etc.
00:28:08.000 They're saying we've already seen the agenda under Donald Trump through executive action to start targeting some of these crucial services.
00:28:17.000 And they want to see protections in the stop cap bill before they move forward with supporting it.
00:28:23.000 Also, they want to see similar spending levels to the Biden era.
00:28:28.000 This would see about a 13 billion dollar cut in non-defense spending.
00:28:33.000 And that's just something Democrats not on board with.
00:28:36.000 Republicans, however, are saying that isn't included in this.
00:28:39.000 They're just solely focusing on cutting back spending at large.
00:28:44.000 And then they're also looking to beef up spending when it comes to military preparedness and then also funding for border security, which is why we're seeing that really prioritized in this continuing resolution list.
00:28:57.000 So, Torian, what happens if Republicans and Democrats can't come to an agreement on this?
00:29:02.000 Yes.
00:29:04.000 Yeah, disruption.
00:29:06.000 We could expect a government shutdown to function as we've seen in the past with, you know, for example, these nuisances to the American people like national parks being shut down.
00:29:17.000 You won't be able to go there.
00:29:19.000 TSA. We've seen before, although they're considered essential workers, there was this mass sick-out where these agents would call in sick because they're not getting paid.
00:29:30.000 Eventually, even if we do see a shutdown, these People who are experienced furloughs or asked not to come to work will receive back pay as we've seen before in the past.
00:29:41.000 But it's still quite the problem for American public.
00:29:45.000 We can expect mass disruptions.
00:29:46.000 What ultimately might happen, though, just based off of what we've seen happen before, is Republicans will look to pass this through along party-line votes.
00:29:55.000 They probably won't get the votes there as we've already seen two Republicans come out and say that they're just not deep enough in terms of cuts.
00:30:04.000 We have to depend on Democrats, which means there'll be an 11th hour continuing resolution that'll be clean, that would see 2024 levels pushed through in order to get Democrats on board.
00:30:15.000 Now, did you think that voting for Trump would be voting for an increase in defence spending?
00:30:20.000 And I suppose, of course, we all acknowledge that there are different types of defence spending.
00:30:24.000 I'm sure that not many of us would begrudge working service personnel a decent living wage and care packages for veterans.
00:30:31.000 But don't many of us suspect, as a result of failed Pentagon audits, that much of your country's defence expenditure ends up in the hands of the military-industrial complex?
00:30:40.000 And didn't most of us think that this was a time to end wars, to advocate for...
00:30:45.000 Cease fires to stop sending so much American money to Ukraine, not because we don't love Ukrainian people, but because we know that the Ukraine-Russia war only has one outcome.
00:30:54.000 Well, there's a few outcomes.
00:30:55.000 One is Russia beats Ukraine.
00:30:57.000 Another one is there's a global nuclear war.
00:30:59.000 And that neither of those are particularly desirable.
00:31:01.000 So how do you feel when someone like Thomas Massey, who I believe, generally speaking, is a truthful and authentic political figure, attracts the ire of Donald Trump?
00:31:11.000 Let me know in the comments and chat.
00:31:13.000 Here's Trump's Truth Social post in which he condemns Thomas Massey and suggests a primary to dislodge him.
00:31:20.000 Lots of stuff, but the really important point is sometimes it takes great courage to do the right thing.
00:31:26.000 Congressman Thomas Massey of beautiful Kentucky is not a Mac No vote on just about everything.
00:31:30.000 Despite the fact that he's always voted for the continuing resolutions in the past, he should be primaried and I will lead the charge against him.
00:31:36.000 He's just another grandstander who's too much trouble and not worth the fight.
00:31:39.000 He reminds me of Liz Cheney before her historic record-breaking loss.
00:31:42.000 The people of Kentucky won't stand for it.
00:31:44.000 Just watch.
00:31:44.000 Do I have any takers?
00:31:46.000 Anyway, thank you again to the Freedom House.
00:31:47.000 So, that's a public declaration of...
00:31:51.000 Now, wherever you stand on the issue of free speech, or wherever you stand on the issue of Israel, or even if you're a Democrat, or a social justice warrior, or whatever you are, what are your principles on this issue?
00:32:13.000 Certainly, a lot of people have spoken out in defense of Thomas Massey.
00:32:16.000 Here's what Thomas Massey himself said in response to Trump.
00:32:19.000 Someone thinks they can control my voting card by threatening my re-election.
00:32:22.000 Guess what?
00:32:22.000 Doesn't work on me.
00:32:23.000 Three times I've had a challenger who tried to be more MAGA than me.
00:32:25.000 None busted 25% because my constituents prefer transparency.
00:32:29.000 And principles over blind allegiance.
00:32:32.000 Thomas Massey clearly has a lot of vocal supporters.
00:32:35.000 Here's just a selection of posts in his defence. 0.98
00:32:37.000 Ian Carroll, star of the Joe Rogan show and brilliant content creator saying stay the fuck away from our boy Don. 0.98
00:32:43.000 Claire Morris. 0.99
00:32:44.000 Wow, Trump getting ratioed is not all I had on my bingo card.
00:32:47.000 One of the three members of the house I trust.
00:32:48.000 Who's going to be the other one?
00:32:49.000 Who are the others?
00:32:51.000 Not a smart move.
00:32:52.000 Brett Weinstein, friend of the show.
00:32:54.000 I stand... 0.99
00:32:54.000 Brett's sort of casual arse. 0.99
00:32:57.000 Sweet. 0.99
00:32:58.000 Thomas Massey.
00:32:58.000 He's one of the only members of the government not owned by the Israel lobby.
00:33:01.000 Now, obviously, many of those people are connecting this to pro-Israel movements like AIPAC. As you know, probably I'm a Christian and I believe in the right of Israel to exist and I'm against anti-Semitism.
00:33:14.000 But I'm certainly sympathetic to those who believe that the Israeli deep state have alliances with the U.S. deep state.
00:33:20.000 Let me know what you think about that.
00:33:22.000 Here's Thomas Massey on Tucker Carlson's show talking about AIPAC and what it means.
00:33:27.000 What does that mean, an APAC person?
00:33:29.000 It's like your babysitter, your APAC babysitter, who is always talking to you for APAC. They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are firmly embedded in APAC. Every member has something like this?
00:33:42.000 That's how it works on the Republican side.
00:33:44.000 And when they come to D.C., you go have lunch with them.
00:33:46.000 And they've got your cell number, and you have conversations with them.
00:33:49.000 That's absolutely crazy.
00:33:51.000 I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my APAC person.
00:33:55.000 It's clearly what we call them, my APEC guide.
00:33:58.000 I'll talk to my APEC guide, see if I can get them to dial those ads back.
00:34:02.000 Why have I never heard this before?
00:34:03.000 Why would they want to tell their constituents that they've basically got a buddy system with somebody who's representing a foreign country?
00:34:10.000 It doesn't benefit the congressman for people to know that, so they're not going to tell you.
00:34:14.000 I don't think you have to be anti-Israel or an anti-Semite to have questions about the nature and unique status of AIPAC. Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
00:34:23.000 Thomas Massey, of course, is broadly anti-Israel.
00:34:26.000 It's certainly his anti-escalating tensions between Iran and the United States, for example.
00:34:31.000 Here's a couple of posts from him and Tucker Carlson.
00:34:34.000 Fox News is wall to wall with dead-eyed politicians telling you that Iran is a dangerous sponsor of terror, softening up the base for a war.
00:34:40.000 But what exactly does that phrase mean and how does it apply to the United States?
00:34:44.000 Here's one measure over the past 20 years.
00:34:46.000 How many Americans have been killed by Iran on American soil? 0.76
00:34:49.000 Try to find that number, then compare it to the number of Americans killed by drug overdoses or suicide or illegal aliens or carjackings or diabetes or the COVID vaccine.
00:34:58.000 Still think Iran is the greatest threat? 1.00
00:35:00.000 How about we focus on our own country for a minute?
00:35:02.000 Certainly many of us would contest that Donald Trump was elected to put America first.
00:35:07.000 But what I suppose Donald Trump would claim is that everything he does puts America first.
00:35:12.000 Would that not just be the equivalent of Anthony Fauci saying...
00:35:15.000 I am the science.
00:35:17.000 Let me know in the comments and chat what you think about that.
00:35:19.000 Here's Thomas Massey saying the military-industrial complex demands about $50 billion per year in war.
00:35:23.000 As soon as we quit spending $50 billion a year in Afghanistan, we start spending $50 billion in Ukraine.
00:35:29.000 Watch where the next $50 billion per year goes when we stop spending it in Ukraine.
00:35:33.000 The military-industrial complex is always hungry.
00:35:35.000 So, in a sense, Thomas Massey is unlikely an anti-Israel or anti-Semite or anti-anything.
00:35:41.000 He seems to be an anti-war political figure, which is something that...
00:35:44.000 Trump certainly campaigned on, and something that I pray is true, because when you are anti-war and anti-violence, you don't need to know whether it's Jews dying, Muslims dying, Ukrainians dying, Russians dying, Christians dying, you don't care. 0.90
00:35:58.000 You just want, as Donald Trump himself said, I want people to stop dying.
00:36:02.000 And that's the Donald Trump that I believe many of you believe you voted for.
00:36:05.000 But that's just what I think.
00:36:06.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and the chat.
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00:36:24.000 Quit washing your hands, pilot, and release the files!
00:36:27.000 Release the files!
00:36:29.000 Release the files!
00:36:33.000 Do you want those Epstein files?
00:36:36.000 Are we ever going to get these Epstein files?
00:36:38.000 Is it the daddy of all conspiracy theories?
00:36:41.000 Who are these people on the Epstein Files?
00:36:44.000 Are they just innocent party-goers that like a bit of fun, or are they the world's worst occultist paedophiles?
00:36:49.000 Why is this information being so guarded? 0.67
00:36:51.000 Does it amount to rape and statutory rape charges?
00:36:54.000 Do you think it's even darker than that?
00:36:56.000 Why does Ian Carroll, who, let's face it, is the go-to voice nowadays on this subject, think that the Epstein Files is the key and defining issue?
00:37:04.000 You can have your UFO information.
00:37:06.000 You can have your information on Pfizer and COVID and Building 7. You can have your information on JFK, but when it comes to Epstein, you can't get it.
00:37:15.000 Now, he contests that that's as a result of Epstein being primarily a Mossad agent.
00:37:20.000 Let me know in the comments in chat what you think about that.
00:37:23.000 Certainly, Epstein's power is all-encompassing.
00:37:26.000 The new leader of Canada appears to have peculiar connections to the case.
00:37:30.000 Meet Canada's new Prime Minister, Mark Carney, pictured here alongside notorious child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell.
00:37:37.000 This wasn't just any gathering.
00:37:38.000 It took place at Carney's sister-in-law's estate, Cornbury Park, a known hotspot for globalist elites.
00:37:45.000 That's pretty funny, isn't it?
00:37:46.000 Where do these globalist elites hang out? 0.97
00:37:49.000 Is Mark Carney a client of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell?
00:37:54.000 Well, I suppose, is it possible to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and not get tangled in some sort of sexual tryst?
00:38:01.000 I certainly hope so, for Bill Gates' sake.
00:38:04.000 Do you imagine that all elites ultimately meet up?
00:38:07.000 I mean, didn't Trump's initial success come from saying, I know that they're corrupt because I use their corruption when campaigning against Hillary?
00:38:15.000 so don't we expect and anticipate that elites co-mingle and interact let me know what you think in the comments and chat about that certainly the prominent and dominant voice when it comes to this matter has become ian carroll certainly since his appearance on joe rogan ian carroll come on the show here is ian carroll's already legendary appearance on joe rogan where he says he believes the conspiracy theory that will never speak
00:38:40.000 its name is the epstein file out of all the information that's getting disclosed supposedly this administration what do you have the least faith that we're going to come to a conclusion for sure Epstein, for sure.
00:38:52.000 And I think it's because of Israel. 0.95
00:38:54.000 Really?
00:38:55.000 Because I think, I mean, when you really dig into Epstein...
00:38:58.000 His entire network was Israel.
00:39:00.000 It was clearly.
00:39:01.000 Ehud Barak was the ex-prime minister and the ex-head of Israeli intelligence.
00:39:04.000 Leslie Wexner was one of the most powerful pro-Israeli philanthropists.
00:39:07.000 The whole organization was Israel.
00:39:08.000 And I'm not saying it was all of Israel.
00:39:11.000 It was all an intelligence gathering.
00:39:13.000 And it was targeting Americans.
00:39:15.000 It was targeting American officials and the American president.
00:39:17.000 And the CIA does have interest in those targets, too.
00:39:20.000 Elements in the CIA does.
00:39:22.000 Certainly they had help from the CIA. And certainly they had help from these other organized crime and intelligence operations.
00:39:28.000 So, for example, Dan Bongino, the new...
00:39:30.000 Shout out to Dan Bongino!
00:39:32.000 Was he deputy director of the FBI? He recently had this clip that went all around where he said on camera that he had a source that he trusted deeply.
00:39:41.000 And he's an informed guy.
00:39:42.000 He was at a Fox News interview and the source told him that Epstein was working for an intelligence agency in the Middle East.
00:39:47.000 And I don't know which one, but someone in the Middle East.
00:39:49.000 And to be fair, we all already knew this.
00:39:51.000 We already know who he worked for.
00:39:53.000 At least I think so.
00:39:54.000 But I'm looking at, okay, Dan, so if this giant group of Jewish billionaires... 0.99
00:39:59.000 Is running a sex trafficking operation targeting American politicians and business people and stuff?
00:40:04.000 You think they're working with an Arab or Muslim nation in the Middle East?
00:40:07.000 Like, you think that Leslie Wexner is devoting his entire life to philanthropies on behalf of Israel, but then he's going to work for Saudi Arabia when he's doing this trafficking? 0.73
00:40:16.000 Right.
00:40:16.000 But if someone says to him that they're all working for a country in the Middle East, knowing he knows...
00:40:23.000 What that means, but not specifying.
00:40:25.000 Doesn't he kind of have to repeat it that same way?
00:40:28.000 Well, he also has to repeat it the same way because he won't get the job if he says Israel.
00:40:31.000 Because Israel has so much control over our government right now. 0.95
00:40:34.000 And I'm not saying that all Jews are in on something.
00:40:36.000 Clearly.
00:40:37.000 Internet.
00:40:37.000 Clearly.
00:40:38.000 Internet.
00:40:38.000 And Joe is definitely not saying that.
00:40:40.000 Definitely not.
00:40:40.000 But Israel's government is...
00:40:45.000 As vulnerable to the deep state effect as the American government.
00:40:49.000 But I would argue that Israel's government is way more vulnerable to it because of the people that founded Israel and the way it was founded.
00:40:55.000 It was founded in modern time, much more recently.
00:40:58.000 It was a revolutionary founding.
00:41:00.000 And I can totally sympathize with the Jewish desire to have that state.
00:41:04.000 I get it.
00:41:05.000 But because of the way that happened, the people that founded Israel were a bunch of organized crime figures in America, the Jewish mob, that were helping with money and with arms trafficking to get the guns there because they had to have guns. 0.72
00:41:17.000 And it was the Rothschild banking family sending a whole bunch of money and getting the declaration in the first place.
00:41:23.000 And then the people that were there, the three different organizations, the Irgun, the Lehi group, and the Haganah, those were the three paramilitary groups that fought to found Israel, and they're like the heroes of Israel.
00:41:35.000 Which I understand the narrative that they're heroes.
00:41:36.000 But when Israel was officially founded, they officially designated Irgun and Lehi as terrorist organizations because they had been bombing civilians.
00:41:44.000 They'd been bombing British civilians.
00:41:45.000 The first official act of terror, before they changed the definition, was the bombing of the King David Hotel, where these terrorists, these Lehi and Irgun terrorists, a bunch of different groups, the guy who planned that bombing later became the prime minister of Israel.
00:42:00.000 They were bombing...
00:42:02.000 Civilians.
00:42:03.000 And like, so those, when those are the groups that are fighting to found that nation, even if all the Jews there are wonderful people, the leadership is inherently composed of these people that have been deeply corrupt for all time. 0.96
00:42:16.000 And so you get this fertile ground for this kind of deep state effect to take power.
00:42:20.000 And when you start to research the heads of state of Israel over history, you realize that a bunch of them were in those groups doing those terrorist acts and have done a bunch of dark stuff because those were the people that We're at the top of that military organization. 0.69
00:42:34.000 Those terrorist organizations reformed to form the IDF. And what's interesting is you can talk about this now post-October 7th.
00:42:42.000 It opened wide open.
00:42:43.000 Post-Gaza.
00:42:44.000 You want to know a funny story, actually? 0.97
00:42:45.000 I didn't know shit about it.
00:42:47.000 And I started doing 9-11 stuff. 0.82
00:42:49.000 And I was doing a 9-11 video on my YouTube.
00:42:51.000 And I knew about the dancing Israeli conspiracy theory that is very much a real set of documents.
00:42:56.000 And I knew that I'm not allowed to talk about Israel for some reason, and I didn't really know why.
00:43:01.000 And I realized, like, I better fucking understand this thing before I crater my new channel and career on this topic I don't understand.
00:43:08.000 If I'm going to take a stance against Israel at all, I should understand why and how. 0.98
00:43:13.000 So I started doing research, and I shelved that research, and I switched to researching Israel and Palestine and the history there and what's going on.
00:43:20.000 And I finished the video, and it was October 6th, and I was like, I was very worried because it's like, you weren't allowed to talk about it.
00:43:29.000 And I had just made this whole documentary about the history of Israel-Palestine and the propaganda and what it all was.
00:43:35.000 And I published it on October 6th on my Locals channel. 0.98
00:43:37.000 And I kind of had this, like, lean back and, like, if that's the end of the ride and I get canceled for this shit, so be it.
00:43:43.000 And then literally the next day, and I'm not saying that October 7th was a good thing, but I'm saying that literally the next day, the entire internet was ablaze about Israel and Palestine and everyone was talking about it. 0.98
00:43:52.000 And it was the weirdest fucking coincidence, like... 0.75
00:43:56.000 And suddenly it was like, oh, all right, let's fucking dig this thing open. 0.97
00:44:00.000 Because unfortunately, it is, I mean, I think fortunately, I think that the state of the Israeli influence that sustained them for so long, that was essential to them surviving this long, I think that it has grown cancerous to the Jewish faith in general. 1.00
00:44:16.000 Because Jeffrey Epstein is the perfect example of this.
00:44:19.000 Jeffrey Epstein was the world's most prolific and evil sex trafficker that we know of so far, ever.
00:44:26.000 And he very clearly was a Jewish organization of Jewish people working on behalf of Israel and other groups. 0.73
00:44:32.000 And so that's a dark stain on Israel and on the Jewish people if you own it. 1.00
00:44:37.000 One of the benefits of this new Maga Maha era is complex and nuanced arguments are emerging where we can even say, well, There is an Israel deep state. 0.88
00:44:47.000 If there's a UK deep state and a US deep state, there's an Israel deep state. 0.79
00:44:52.000 And to be against the Israeli deep state is not to be against Israel and is not to be an anti-Semite.
00:44:58.000 As a result of independent media, which is continually maligned for being bombastic, hyperbolic and inaccurate, you actually, over time, start to develop complexity and nuance, like in evolution.
00:45:11.000 Obviously, as a Christian, I believe in a loving creator, but I believe the way that we materially observe the process of creation, in many ways, is through evolution, certainly through species outside of our kind.
00:45:22.000 We can see how, in independent media, different arguments are evolving now, and we can surely have conversation.
00:45:27.000 Thank you.
00:45:28.000 Power, centralised power, global power, national power, deep state power, without suddenly being maligned as of this or that.
00:45:36.000 And isn't it the job of independent media contributors of the left, of the right, that are pro-trans, anti-trans, pro-war, anti-war, pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine, Russia?
00:45:44.000 Whatever flag you stitch onto your skin, you must know that beneath it we have a skeleton and a beating heart, and ultimately we have shared interests and goals.
00:45:55.000 And they may yet emerge from this extraordinary...
00:45:59.000 But that's just what I think.
00:46:00.000 Why don't you let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
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