Stay Free - Russel Brand - Why We’re Sick — And How to Fix It: A Deep Dive with Paul Saladino - SF651

00:00:09.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brandon trying to bring real journalism to the American people.

00:00:19.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.

00:00:20.000 Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand today with Paul Saladino MD.

00:00:24.000 You are going to love this interview.

00:00:26.000 I became a carnivore because of this man.

00:00:28.000 He's written books about being a carnivore and he convinced me to go from vegan all the way to carnivore.

00:00:34.000 It's brilliant.

00:00:35.000 It's a fantastic conversation that covers the kind of holiness that comes to mind when you hear the intricate beauty of the way that the human body works right down to the subcellular level and what I would have to describe as a kind of demonic evil in institutionalized food production.

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00:01:16.000 Okay, let's get into the Paul Saladino interview right now.

00:01:21.000 Paul Saladino, thank you so much for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:01:26.000 It's good to see you again, my friend.

00:01:28.000 You look well.

00:01:29.000 Now, last time we spoke, I was a vegan.

00:01:33.000 I wasn't a Christian yet.

00:01:34.000 Obviously, I've been through quite a lot publicly as well.

00:01:38.000 And we can touch upon that if you want to.

00:01:40.000 But I've got one thing I want to say is I just can't believe how radically eating meat has changed me constitutionally.

00:01:47.000 But don't take my word for it.

00:01:51.000 I was going to say, that's amazing.

00:01:55.000 I didn't use that.

00:01:56.000 That's the first time I've had abs in my whole life.

00:01:59.000 What's going on?

00:02:00.000 Tell me the science behind this.

00:02:03.000 Well, I'll tell you the science and then I want to hear more about how you feel because I remember seeing you in DC and you told me in January of this year that you'd start eating meat again.

00:02:13.000 And I thought that was so cool.

00:02:14.000 So, I mean, you just think about it.

00:02:17.000 Humans throughout our history have always treasured meat.

00:02:20.000 You look at any group of hunter-gatherers on the planet now and they treasure meat.

00:02:25.000 It's at the top of their sort of hierarchy of foods they want to eat and they eat animals from nose to tail.

00:02:31.000 And so on the first podcast that we did, we talked a little bit about these nutrients in meat, but there are so many unique nutrients in animal foods, whether you're eating chicken or beef or fish or whatever, that just don't occur in plants.

00:02:45.000 Plants are great, but a lot of nutrients don't occur in plants or they don't occur in any appreciable quantities in plants.

00:02:51.000 So when you are not eating meat as a vegan, which is, you know, that's you're right.

00:02:56.000 You're a sovereign human.

00:02:57.000 You can make an intentional choice.

00:02:59.000 It's very, very hard to get these nutrients that are central to human thriving, right?

00:03:05.000 And I listed them out last time and I'll give you a sense of them again.

00:03:08.000 Things are things like creatine, which gets a lot of press today, but whether things like carnitine or anserine or taurine, all of these nutrients, they're critical.

00:03:18.000 Did I lose you?

00:03:19.000 No, I'm really focused because in a sense, what's fascinating is this is a time where people are reluctant to make essential or universal claims, i.e., well, at the chemical level, a man is a man, a woman is a woman.

00:03:34.000 And I suppose, like, as we discussed previously, I was a vegetarian from the age of 14 because I love Morrissey and I love the Smiths and someone showed me footage of abattoirs and the way that animals are treated, which I thought was appalling then and I think is appalling now.

00:03:52.000 And I suppose there's been a spike of documentaries, even within the last five years, that sort of made the claim that you don't need meat.

00:04:01.000 And in fact, meat is bad for you.

00:04:02.000 And it's actually, oh, your arteries and cholesterol. 0.98

00:04:06.000 But what I can tell you empirically is since like, you know, what I always felt when I was a vegan is I like the fucking, excuse my language, taste of meat. 0.95

00:04:14.000 So I was always eating, like, I was a sucker for all that beyond stuff, which I now kind of would regard as a sort of a globalist imperialist consumer like scam. 0.97

00:04:23.000 Like, you know, I liked all that fake meat.

00:04:26.000 Even earlier versions, like Linda McCartney, God rest her eternal soul.

00:04:29.000 I was always chomping down on a Linda McCartney sausage, the late wife of the great Beatle Paul McCartney.

00:04:34.000 They had a brand of vegetarian sausages.

00:04:36.000 Then when I went from vegetarian to vegan, Paul, it's like, oh my word, I can't eat anything.

00:04:41.000 I was making these bizarre concoctions to get like some sort of paste that had meatiness to it.

00:04:46.000 It's like I was trying to synthesize it the whole time.

00:04:49.000 Now, I still have the kind of moral quandaries, but I suppose that's sort of separate from diet.

00:04:54.000 But and in a way, what is morally and ethically suggested is that you should be eating meat that is reared locally and killed respectfully.

00:05:04.000 Even though death is always terrible and there's something brutal about, you know, death, life eats death.

00:05:10.000 That's the price, man.

00:05:11.000 And like making those universal claims in this climate seems somehow to be challenging.

00:05:18.000 I mean, I heard a, I read this book when I was younger.

00:05:21.000 It was called The Tracker.

00:05:22.000 There's a guy who grew up on the East Coast in the Pine Barrens in New Jersey named Tom Brown.

00:05:26.000 And he was apprenticed to this.

00:05:28.000 It's a true story, I believe, is he was apprenticed to this Apache Indian gentleman who sort of gave him Native American philosophy, ways of life, and hunting.

00:05:37.000 And he told this Native American elder told Tom Brown something that in order for something to live, something else must die.

00:05:43.000 This is the way of life.

00:05:44.000 And so this ethical quandary around eating meat, I think is, I think that we have it because we are removed from nature.

00:05:53.000 If you and I were in a tribe in the jungle here in Costa Rica or in the forest of, you know, the northern United States where Native Americans were, wherever, we would not have an ethical qualm about eating meat.

00:06:04.000 What we would do is we would hunt it respectfully.

00:06:07.000 And because we hunted it, we would eat it from nose to tail.

00:06:10.000 We would eat all of the organs.

00:06:11.000 We would eat the bone marrow.

00:06:12.000 We would use the hide and the hooves and we would eat all of the animal.

00:06:16.000 We would waste nothing and we would be very grateful to this sort of cycle of life.

00:06:21.000 You know, all of these sort of indigenous tribes have some sort of cosmology.

00:06:25.000 They all see themselves as something, a part of something bigger, right?

00:06:28.000 We've lost that.

00:06:29.000 You go to the grocery store, you have a disembodied steak, and we've lost, dare I say, the spirituality of eating meat.

00:06:36.000 It was part of, it was, I mean, perhaps it may sound overblown, but it's sacramental in some ways.

00:06:43.000 And the nutrients in meat, like I said earlier, are so unique for humans that when you go from not eating meat to eating meat, you have a step function change in the way that you think, the way that your energy is, your libido, your vitality.

00:06:56.000 And the other thing I would mention here is that I think that as much as humans have an ethical imperative to re sort of re-participate in that cycle of life and understand and respect the nutrients that these animals give us and to live accordingly, I think that as humans, and I think this, you know, this is very, this is sort of a Christian perspective.

00:07:19.000 Like our purpose is also to do the most good in the world.

00:07:23.000 And so how do you do the most good in the world?

00:07:25.000 How are you the best conduit for the ideas that you believe need to go into the world?

00:07:29.000 You need to nourish yourself, right?

00:07:30.000 You need to nourish your brain and your body.

00:07:32.000 And so I've always thought eating meat is part of supporting myself.

00:07:37.000 I do a lot of things in my life.

00:07:39.000 We don't know each other that well personally yet, but I'm very intentional about the way that I live my life across all aspects because I sort of see so many aspects of my life as sacred and I want to I want to protect this vessel.

00:07:50.000 You know, I don't drink.

00:07:51.000 I don't smoke.

00:07:52.000 I think about these things.

00:07:53.000 I try to get good sleep.

00:07:54.000 You know, like I'm trying to be a good vessel for something bigger than me, for something in the world, and to put ideas into the world that help people.

00:08:03.000 And so nutrition is a part of that.

00:08:05.000 And I think you've seen that now.

00:08:06.000 And so there is this other ethical side of it that, hey, if you are a more lit up human, if you are a more energetic, clear thinking human, you're doing good in the world.

00:08:14.000 That's what, that's really, I think, a very high purpose for these animals in your life.

00:08:19.000 They're nourishing you and you're putting it back into the world.

00:08:22.000 And one day you will die and go back to the earth too. 0.79

00:08:25.000 These are excellent points.

00:08:26.000 And I think your early remark that we are detached from nature is an important one, that we've been decoupled from a deep reality that we have to live in harmony with because of recent deep education into how systems of control operate.

00:08:45.000 I know that whether it's the choice that was made to use blue light instead of red light behind these screens or any number of nutritional choices, I know that what you talk about, a kind of nutritional state of subjugation, is what's required by the systems that seem to emulate, seek to emulate and counterfeit the divine power that you're describing is not an accident, but deliberate.

00:09:12.000 It's deliberate that you eat food that makes you tired and bloated and ineffective.

00:09:17.000 It's deliberate that you stare at screens that hypnotize you and dumb you down.

00:09:22.000 That certain chemicals are to be found in the water sources.

00:09:25.000 You can see that while looking at your bright face that you're a person that's coursing with creatine and nutrition and collagen.

00:09:34.000 And for all I know, methylene blue and tallow.

00:09:40.000 Not methylene blue, but the other ones, yes.

00:09:42.000 Tell me why I know methylene blue, Paul.

00:09:44.000 Methylene blue is an interesting one.

00:09:46.000 This gets a little technical.

00:09:47.000 So, but I love what you're saying there.

00:09:50.000 And I wonder about that. 0.96

00:09:51.000 You know, I think that it's a very sinister reality that we're living in if there are powers that be that are actually trying to subjugate us and make us dumber. 0.92

00:10:00.000 It's very possible.

00:10:01.000 Certainly with the devices, I think that the blue lights and the flickering of the devices is designed to addict us.

00:10:08.000 As far as the food goes, yeah, we can talk about this too.

00:10:13.000 I don't know.

00:10:13.000 I think that nourished humans are likely to be free thinking humans.

00:10:19.000 And free thinking humans are a little more difficult to control than tired and, you know, humans that are just fatigued.

00:10:27.000 And they're, yeah, I mean, that humans that are thinking clearly are going to question the system.

00:10:32.000 So there's a very sinister potential reality there.

00:10:36.000 As far as the methylene blue conversation goes, so methylene blue is a complex molecule that actually moves electrons down the electron transport chain in the mitochondria.

00:10:47.000 So I don't want to get too technical here, but the way that we make energy as humans is we harvest electrons from the food that we eat.

00:10:54.000 We pass those electrons through a transport chain in the inner mitochondrial membrane of every cell of our body, except the red blood cells.

00:11:02.000 And at the end of that mitochondrial electron transport chain, those electrons end up in water.

00:11:08.000 And that electromotive force, so passing the electrons down the chain creates a gradient of hydrogen, basically protons, hydrogen ions.

00:11:17.000 And then moving down the concentration gradient creates ATP.

00:11:20.000 So there's a little nanomotor inside your mitochondria.

00:11:23.000 And the hydrogen, the protons moving back down their concentration gradient creates ATP.

00:11:29.000 It's a really exquisitely elegant system.

00:11:31.000 But the movement of electrons between all of those complexes and they're numbered is how we create an electromotive force to move protons and to create a concentration gradient.

00:11:42.000 Now, methylene blue will move the electron down the electron transport chain, which is a good thing if you have a blockage in your electron transport chain.

00:11:52.000 But most of us don't.

00:11:53.000 There are definitely some people with severe neurodegenerative diseases that have, I would say, severe mitochondrial issues.

00:12:01.000 And in that case, methylene blue can be this adjunct and it can move the electron around the blockage.

00:12:06.000 But if you don't have a blockage in your electron transport chain, methylene blue is making less energy per electron.

00:12:12.000 So you're actually getting less energy out of the food you eat, which is a bad thing.

00:12:16.000 You want that electron transport chain to function optimally.

00:12:20.000 So I think for most people, methylene blue is probably not something you want to be using at a mitochondrial level.

00:12:26.000 The reason it gets a little tricky is because methylene blue also has effects on the neurotransmitters.

00:12:33.000 It's a monoamine oxidase A inhibitor, and so it's going to affect serotonin levels in the brain.

00:12:38.000 And so I think some people feel good with methylene blue.

00:12:41.000 It doesn't mean that your energy production at the level of the mitochondria is better.

00:12:45.000 And, you know, remarkably, at high doses, methylene blue will turn your heart blue.

00:12:51.000 This has been shown, like, and your brain.

00:12:55.000 So, I mean, I see it's done some wonderful things to my urine and my tongue.

00:13:02.000 Like, I do enjoy looking down and seeing sweet blue urine.

00:13:08.000 I think that's pretty fascinating that something so fundamental can be adapted and altered.

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00:14:34.000 I enjoyed very much your description of the elegance of the mitochondrial system and the complexity of electron manipulation and conveyance.

00:14:44.000 And whenever I hear something articulated by someone who understands it, I feel the approximate awe of a heavenly creator.

00:14:54.000 I think such complexity could not occur as a result of randomized events, even over billions of years.

00:15:02.000 Elsewise, why would we regard patterns with such wonder, whether in mathematics, which by the way, why would it exist if there was no intelligence, and music and symmetry and art, the hallmark and presence of God is evident in all God's creation.

00:15:17.000 And I am just in awe of the wonder of that.

00:15:20.000 And thank you for explaining it so beautifully and clearly.

00:15:23.000 Now, when you said that about the potential impact and like that methylene blue might make you feel better, but it might not necessarily be doing it in a way that's ultimately beneficial.

00:15:35.000 It reminded me of once someone telling me that what caffeine is doing is kind of stretching you and creating a sort of a stimulated state that you're going to pay a price for down the line.

00:15:47.000 I mean, in the Buddhists say, borrowing from your future self.

00:15:51.000 Do you think it belongs in that kind of category?

00:15:54.000 Is that what your concern is?

00:15:56.000 Yes, in some ways.

00:15:57.000 And I mean, it would be, we can talk about caffeine.

00:16:01.000 It's very, no one likes it when we talk about caffeine, Russell, because 90% of the people do taste coffee.

00:16:08.000 What's that?

00:16:09.000 Because we're all addicted to it.

00:16:11.000 I remember that study where they tried to study the efficacy of caffeine.

00:16:16.000 And as I recall, the control group were able to drink caffeine.

00:16:21.000 But the group that didn't have caffeine were not only not having caffeine, they were also in withdrawal.

00:16:27.000 And that was the, like, this study didn't account for the fact that everyone was in a doubly suboptimal state.

00:16:34.000 And so, I mean, I don't want to depress people.

00:16:36.000 I mean, I needn't, I might as well tell you that this is caffeine in its purest and most wonderful form in that drink.

00:16:45.000 Do you drink caffeine, Paul?

00:16:47.000 I do not.

00:16:48.000 I do not.

00:16:49.000 I have in the past.

00:16:50.000 So when I was in, when I was in my medical training, I used caffeine some and I would get like heart palpitations, heart fluttering, and I stopped it many years ago.

00:17:00.000 I went through bad withdrawals.

00:17:01.000 But, you know, it's tricky.

00:17:03.000 So there are a few things about caffeine.

00:17:04.000 The first is to know that the half-life of caffeine is five to six hours.

00:17:09.000 So the caffeine that you're drinking now, Russell, will not be even, it will perhaps be half metabolized by the time you go to sleep in 10 hours, depending when you go to sleep.

00:17:20.000 I mean, it's, you know, it's probably three or four o'clock wherever you are.

00:17:24.000 You know, if you go to sleep in eight hours at midnight, the caffeine you're drinking now is not even half metabolized.

00:17:30.000 It's still in your system.

00:17:31.000 And what caffeine does is it has multichemisms, but it blocks the adenosine receptors in your brain.

00:17:36.000 Adenosine is a compound that builds up in our brains throughout the day and it causes some sense of fatigue.

00:17:41.000 It's not a bad thing.

00:17:42.000 It's just how our bodies are telling us you are awake.

00:17:44.000 We have this wake-sleep cycling and while we're sleeping, our brains are regenerating in some ways.

00:17:50.000 We have this incredible network of lymphatic drainage in the brain called the lymphatic system that pulls waste products out of our brain.

00:17:57.000 And so it's important that we know when we are sleepy.

00:17:59.000 Caffeine is masking that, but your brain is still sleepy under the surface.

00:18:04.000 And so if you're drinking caffeine at eight in the morning, by the time you go to sleep, you may have a quarter of that caffeine in your system, which can still disrupt sleep architecture.

00:18:13.000 Drinking caffeine at three or four in the afternoon is a little bit more of a dangerous proposition in terms of sleep architecture.

00:18:18.000 So that's just the first thing to consider about caffeine.

00:18:21.000 There was a recent study that I saw that talked about in sleep deprivation, which is a time when a lot of people use caffeine.

00:18:30.000 If you don't give someone caffeine, there are changes in the gray matter in the brain, right?

00:18:34.000 So you have white matter and gray matter in the brain.

00:18:36.000 And there are certain regions of the brain where the gray matter sort of expands when you are sleep deprived.

00:18:41.000 It's just probably the brain trying to heal itself and push back against the damage that sleep deprivation is doing to your brain.

00:18:48.000 Caffeine blunts that.

00:18:50.000 So the concern here is that if you're using caffeine to ameliorate your sensation of a sleep deprived state, you could be preventing your brain from doing the necessary healing that it's trying to do when you are sleep deprived because caffeine is blunting the expansion of gray matter in certain parts of the brain when you are sleep deprived.

00:19:10.000 So it's a very powerful substance for humans that I think has been used throughout history for good and bad.

00:19:18.000 I mean, I think I'm no history buff, but I think a lot of amazing, beautiful art and things have happened throughout history because of caffeine and coffee.

00:19:26.000 And so great, fantastic, and other compounds related to caffeine, methyl xanthines that occur in chocolate and things like this.

00:19:32.000 It can certainly put humans into ecstatic states or creative states, but we just need to be very honest with ourselves about what it might be doing to our brains long term if we use it for sleep deprivation or if we're using it too close to sleep, it could be causing issues.

00:19:45.000 The last thing I'll say is that the coffee that a lot of people drink caffeine and not necessarily tea, but the coffee can be moldy, right?

00:19:52.000 So you want to find a coffee that's mold-free, pesticide-free.

00:19:55.000 You got to be careful with the vessel through which you're drinking the caffeine.

00:19:58.000 And then I'm just a bundle of joya.

00:20:01.000 When people hear me talk, they just say, oh, you ruin everything for me.

00:20:04.000 There are certain tea bags that are made from plastic.

00:20:07.000 So if you're using a caffeinated tea, please do not use a tea bag made from plastic because those are known to release millions or sometimes an order of magnitude greater than that billions of microplastics into your water.

00:20:19.000 So putting plastic into hot or boiling water is the worst thing we could do for microplastics.

00:20:24.000 And so there are all sorts of considerations around caffeine that I just, thanks for letting me share that.

00:20:29.000 But when we have this like level of individual diligence that you are blessedly offering us the opportunity to be that aware of, well, are you sure that this, do you want to eat this tea back?

00:20:42.000 You know, I like, I can imagine that if I spent, and I'm going to actually, maybe like, you know, I'm going to say if I spent an hour listening to you or a week listening to you, and I know there's far too much knowledge in you for you to get across in one podcast, but I suppose really I've sort of changed my agenda in the course of just the first 20 minutes to I'm going to need to maximally benefit from this time that I have with Paul.

00:21:03.000 Because I remember you saying before, like, even if you only ate McDonald's meat, that's better than not eating meat at all.

00:21:10.000 That's one of the things that kind of struck me about our last interaction.

00:21:15.000 What I would say, I'd like to learn now is like, you know, I do like, say, I've got a boy, my little boy, he's two.

00:21:21.000 He had like a heart condition.

00:21:23.000 He's got a condition called DeGeorge.

00:21:25.000 Like, say, I eat sometimes, and when I say sometimes, I meant last night, Tony's chocolate, right?

00:21:31.000 I was eating it cold out of the fridge.

00:21:33.000 Oh, man, it's so delicious.

00:21:34.000 Like, anyway, my little boy comes up to me and my wife don't like him to have chocolate, but he knows what chocolate is now.

00:21:40.000 And so, you know, the genie's out of the bottle.

00:21:42.000 I'm letting him have, like, I'm giving him like bits of this Tony's chocolate, which I feel like is kind of branding itself as, this is good for you, chocolate.

00:21:49.000 If I knew everything that you know about chocolate, would I give my son with a heart condition?

00:21:56.000 He had like surgery and everything.

00:21:58.000 Would I give him like, would I give him chocolate or not?

00:22:01.000 What time was it that you were giving him chocolate?

00:22:03.000 Was it early in the day or late in the day?

00:22:05.000 It was like, oh, gosh, I'm sorry to say that it might have been, it was 8 p.m.

00:22:13.000 Late in the day is tough for kids because like I mentioned, chocolate does have these methyl xanthines, which are the same compounds, similar compounds to caffeine.

00:22:23.000 So it can affect his sleep, which is then going to affect your sleep if he's not sleeping well.

00:22:28.000 Chocolate is an interesting thing.

00:22:31.000 So chocolate's tricky.

00:22:33.000 There definitely are studies suggesting that chocolate has compounds, flavonoids, that could be beneficial at a vascular health level at the endothelium in your blood vessels.

00:22:44.000 And it may have benefits long term.

00:22:46.000 Most chocolate is packaged with processed sugar, which is a little tricky, right?

00:22:50.000 We can pretty confidently say that a processed sugar sucrose is not a great thing for humans.

00:22:56.000 I think the Tony's chocolate, all these chocolates have sucrose.

00:23:00.000 If you really wanted to make chocolate the healthiest way you could, you could get a 100% dark chocolate and combine it with something like honey.

00:23:10.000 And I think there's a really interesting divergence between the outcomes in humans and the way that natural sugars like honey and fruit affect us versus a processed sugar like a sucrose or a table sugar.

00:23:22.000 These are really different things.

00:23:23.000 And so if you took a dark chocolate and you combine it with honey, I would argue that's better for humans than it is than like a processed sugar containing chocolate.

00:23:34.000 The other considerations with chocolate are that chocolate can be fairly high in heavy metals.

00:23:40.000 It's not going to kill you.

00:23:42.000 And we're talking about things like lead, mercury, and arsenic and cadmium, cadmium especially in chocolate.

00:23:47.000 But if you eat a lot of chocolate, it's just meaning check your heavy metals because the seeds of plants, and chocolate is made from plant cacao seeds that are roasted, the seeds of plants do tend to concentrate heavy metals.

00:23:59.000 And again, I don't mean to be a killjoy.

00:24:02.000 I'm just, I'm equipping people as much as I can with the tools to make their own sovereign decisions in their life.

00:24:07.000 Nothing is quite black and white.

00:24:09.000 So if you're eating a chocolate, just check that it is tested for heavy metals and these kind of things also.

00:24:15.000 And potentially be aware that the sucrose in there, the processed sugar in the chocolate is not great, but there's an easy way to fix that, which is you take 100% dark chocolate and you combine it with honey.

00:24:26.000 And I can speak about that if you'd like.

00:24:27.000 But there are ways to make it better and there are some considerations with chocolate as well.

00:24:32.000 You know, even though I know it's sort of like partly shtick, I am actually getting angry with you because you're one by one like removing so many of the sort of you're demolishing the architecture of my comfort with your every announcement.

00:24:32.000 What do you think?

00:24:47.000 But like, but also, Paul, we do need to wake up.

00:24:51.000 We need to wake up.

00:24:52.000 I don't want to live in darkness.

00:24:54.000 So like you've already, you were a significant factor.

00:24:57.000 You and bear grills were probably the most significant influences in me deciding to start eating meat.

00:25:04.000 And it was kind of concomitant with my coming to Christ as well.

00:25:08.000 So, you know, I'm so quite actually interestingly having listened to the earlier part of the conversation when you've talked about the sacraments and sanctity with the idea of the flesh and the blood and the blood of Christ, that there is some kind of spiritual correlative to this incontrovertibility, not incontrovertibly, but somehow inextricably.

00:25:26.000 I'd like to ask you this then.

00:25:28.000 I'd like to ask you this.

00:25:31.000 In general, say me, I am drinking a lot of caffeine.

00:25:34.000 I'm drinking like sparkling water.

00:25:36.000 I know there's probably microplastics in this.

00:25:39.000 If at an individual level, we're like being polluted, even if you're someone like me who's economically advantaged, albeit autodidactically educated, like what chance have we got?

00:25:53.000 And I mean this in a Maha context, I guess it was a DC event where we encountered each other briefly other than our interview there.

00:26:01.000 Like what should be the role of make America healthy again?

00:26:05.000 What should be the role of government in facing up to big food, big agriculture, and I guess big pharma as well, of course.

00:26:15.000 But like if we lived like just you explaining to me as an individual, well, this is what you should feed your children.

00:26:20.000 I'm immediately thinking, don't give your children anything other than organic whole food.

00:26:25.000 And we've thankfully got a really good water filter in our house already for even the shower water and the drinking water.

00:26:31.000 Probably there's got to be some supplementation.

00:26:34.000 If that's what, you know, you can do that as an individual and we can do that as a family.

00:26:37.000 And by God, I will.

00:26:38.000 But what does that tell us our culture where what's been normalized is junk food and food dyes and preservatives and pesticides in the food chain.

00:26:51.000 Aren't we like ultimately poisoning and toxifying ourselves beyond an industrial level, almost at a universal level?

00:27:00.000 Absolutely, we are.

00:27:01.000 And it sounds hyperbolic when we say it or it sounds inflammatory, but it's really, I think it's really true. 0.97

00:27:08.000 I think people.

00:27:10.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:10.000 I think I've begun to see it like this, Russell.

00:27:13.000 I've begun to see it as like there are foods that are for humans and there are foods that are not for humans.

00:27:20.000 And if you eat food for humans, which I would define as single ingredient foods, so meat and plants, right?

00:27:27.000 Single ingredient foods, milk, eggs, fish, chicken, you know, Brussels sprouts, whatever, potatoes.

00:27:33.000 These are single ingredient foods.

00:27:34.000 Or foods with labels that your great grandmother would recognize everything on the label.

00:27:39.000 That's that's sort of just my working framework for food for humans.

00:27:43.000 If you do that, and you know, based on our previous part of the conversation, this is important to share with your audience.

00:27:47.000 Like, I'm not trying to take away things from people or make it impossible.

00:27:51.000 So the food for humans framework is quite broad, but I want people to understand this.

00:27:55.000 I strongly believe, and this is something that I am so passionate about at this moment in my life and my career.

00:28:00.000 And I think this is in line with the Maha movement.

00:28:03.000 The Western medical system will not tell you this, but I believe that if you eat food for humans, you can correct or reverse the majority of chronic illness that we suffer from as humans today.

00:28:15.000 And it's as simple as that.

00:28:16.000 I mean, I'm writing a book about this now, and I want to get that message out there because as a traditionally trained medical doctor, I have an MD that was never taught to me in medical school, that so many of the chronic health conditions that we suffer from from autoimmune conditions like multiple sclerosis, type 1 diabetes, chogrens, autoimmune thyroid conditions.

00:28:35.000 I had eczema.

00:28:36.000 Some people have skin conditions like psoriasis.

00:28:38.000 Autoimmune conditions are rampant.

00:28:40.000 Chronic illnesses like obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis.

00:28:44.000 So many of these conditions that we suffer from chronically as humans are fixable if we just eat food for humans.

00:28:50.000 And so this is wild to me that the Western medical system is not doing this.

00:28:54.000 And I think this is exactly the intersection of the government and Maha in this problem is that, hey, look, if you're making it okay, or you're not at least telling people, hey, if you eat food that is not for humans, which is this, you know, this myriad of ultra-processed foods, you are going to be sick.

00:29:11.000 It's as simple as that.

00:29:13.000 I think we've been trying, I think that in some ways the calories model has been quite misleading for people.

00:29:19.000 We've thought, oh, as long as I just don't eat too many calories, I'm going to be okay.

00:29:24.000 No, you cannot out-exercise the toxins and the sort of artificial, confusing ingredients and compounds in an Oreo simply by doing the amount of exercise that burns off the calories in an Oreo.

00:29:37.000 These things get stuck in our cells and our membranes.

00:29:39.000 They affect our gut flora, which is the problem with sucrose, processed sugar.

00:29:42.000 It affects your gut flora in a negative way.

00:29:44.000 So we need, I want people to understand that, hey, you can, if you, you have the right as an American to go to Dunkin' Donuts and to and to eat a donut, right?

00:29:56.000 But if you, you simply cannot just exercise to burn off those 200 calories.

00:30:02.000 It doesn't work that way.

00:30:03.000 All those toxins are negatively affecting your cells and your body in a way that has amplified effects long term, or at least reverberating effects long term.

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00:31:06.000 We lost Paul for a moment there, but he's back.

00:31:09.000 And I'm really glad of the opportunity to talk to you.

00:31:11.000 Paul, I wanted to run you through some of my new products from Reborn and to get your absolute insight.

00:31:17.000 Now, I know there's going to be a lot of variation in this.

00:31:20.000 So, like, you know, as far, I just mean in general, the product, bovine colostrum.

00:31:25.000 Is that a good idea?

00:31:26.000 Colostrum is great.

00:31:27.000 There's actually good data with doses of two to three grams of colostrum per day in terms of gut health, immune health.

00:31:33.000 Yeah, colostrum is the first milk from cows.

00:31:36.000 And usually when they're collecting colostrum, I mean, they always leave enough for the calves.

00:31:39.000 It's just, it's interesting that across species, the immunoglobulins and colostrum are beneficial for humans, probably for the gut and recovery in general.

00:31:48.000 So yeah, colostrum is amazing.

00:31:49.000 Like animals are incredibly valuable for humans, man.

00:31:53.000 They make all kinds of nutrient-rich foods.

00:31:55.000 What about creatine powder?

00:31:58.000 Is that good?

00:32:00.000 Creatine is great.

00:32:02.000 There's been a lot of buzz about creatine recently.

00:32:04.000 Doses from five to 20 grams a day have been studied to find benefit.

00:32:07.000 Five grams a day of creatine is beneficial probably for muscle strength, recovery, explosivity.

00:32:14.000 10 grams a day has been studied for osteoporosis in women. 0.72

00:32:18.000 So I think about this from my mom, who's 75 years old.

00:32:21.000 So if you have someone in your life who has bone density issues, you might go up a little bit, eight or 10 grams of creatine a day.

00:32:27.000 20 grams of creatine is a mega dose that I wouldn't do every day, but there is some evidence that in the setting of sleep deprivation, 20 grams of creatine might push more creatine across the blood-brain barrier and help with cognition.

00:32:38.000 Now, I mentioned creatine earlier in the podcast.

00:32:41.000 What's cool about this is that creatine is something that only occurs in animal foods.

00:32:46.000 But in order for you to get five grams of creatine a day, you'd have to eat probably two pounds of meat per day.

00:32:52.000 Most of us are not eating two pounds of meat per day.

00:32:54.000 So it's a valuable compound that is made by the body, but supplementation appears to be very beneficial for humans and it's incredibly safe.

00:33:02.000 There's really no evidence that it has any issues with the kidneys or anything.

00:33:04.000 So creatine is amazing.

00:33:06.000 Because I was a bit worried about my kidneys.

00:33:08.000 I went to have a test to see whether or not I should get supplemented testosterone and it came back that I had a word that sounds a bit like creatine, but isn't creatine.

00:33:18.000 I bet you know what that word is.

00:33:20.000 Like creatinine.

00:33:21.000 Creatine.

00:33:22.000 Yeah, that.

00:33:22.000 And I was like, oh, no.

00:33:24.000 And the doctor said, come off the creatine for a bit.

00:33:26.000 And I'm really regretting.

00:33:28.000 I want to get back on the creatine.

00:33:30.000 I want to get back on it.

00:33:31.000 Do you think it does affect the kidneys, can affect the kidneys?

00:33:34.000 No, no, it doesn't affect the kidneys at all.

00:33:36.000 So I need to counsel your doctor on this.

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00:33:54.000 So one of the breakdown products of creatine is creatinine, but creatinine is not harmful to the body itself.

00:33:59.000 Creatinine is a compound that we use to estimate your glomerular filtration rate.

00:34:06.000 So in kidney disease, people's creatinine will go up.

00:34:09.000 Creatinine is a breakdown product from the muscles, from the creatine in the muscles.

00:34:13.000 But creatinine is just a marker for kidney function.

00:34:16.000 So if you're eating more meat, if you have more muscles or you are taking more creatine, your creatinine will go up, but that doesn't mean you have any issues with your kidneys.

00:34:24.000 Your doctor needs to get a separate test. 0.99

00:34:26.000 It's called a cystatin C, which doesn't, it's not affected by creatine at all.

00:34:30.000 So creatine will falsely elevate creatinine.

00:34:33.000 Creatinine is not harmful for you, but because we use creatinine levels to estimate your glomerular filtration rate, the glomeruli are these little, these little apper, these little cellular organelles, you know, macrocellular organelles in the kidney where you filter your blood and it turns into urine.

00:34:49.000 But the amount of sort of plasma that the glomeruli in your kidneys can filter is how we estimate how well your kidneys are functioning.

00:34:58.000 And creatinine can cause confusion there, but it's not harmful.

00:35:01.000 Does that make sense?

00:35:02.000 Yes, it does make sense.

00:35:03.000 I'm actually struggling not to fall in love with you, especially when I'm looking at your biceps.

00:35:07.000 And I say that as a heterosexual man.

00:35:08.000 I'm looking at the vascularity and the muscle mass.

00:35:11.000 I'm using this for such obvious personal stuff now.

00:35:14.000 I literally will start taking creatine again.

00:35:16.000 Thankfully, I've got my own brand of it now because I'd stopped it during that time.

00:35:20.000 Now, what about this product, beef cooking tallow?

00:35:22.000 Why is beef cooking tallow better than seed oils, or is it better than seed oils?

00:35:28.000 I mean, obviously, I have seed oils.

00:35:29.000 I think it's much better than seed oils.

00:35:31.000 I think it's much better than seed oils.

00:35:32.000 So, when you heat an oil up, the more fragile oils are the oils that have more polyunsaturate, more degrees of unsaturation in the oil.

00:35:44.000 They're more fragile.

00:35:45.000 This is just basic organic chemistry.

00:35:46.000 This is called like the peroxide index of an oil.

00:35:50.000 And so, seed oils, one of the reasons seed oils are problematic is that they're highly polyunsaturated.

00:35:56.000 And polyunsaturated fats per se are not bad for humans in the right amounts.

00:36:00.000 Historically, I don't think humans have eaten a lot of polyunsaturated fats.

00:36:05.000 If you look at hunter-gatherer tribes like the Chimine of Bolivia or other tribes, they get maybe, you know, a very, very small amount of their calories from polyunsaturated fats, one, two, three percent.

00:36:16.000 Because we are swimming in seed oils, almost literally today, we're getting 10 to 15 percent of our calories from soybean oil, canola oil.

00:36:24.000 They're in salad dressings, they're in bread, they're in cookies, they're in cakes, they're in their, you know, McDonald's fries are fried in a mixture of four different seed oils, canola and soybean, and all these things.

00:36:24.000 They're in everything.

00:36:34.000 When we're getting that many polyunsaturated fats into our bodies, we have to work, our body has to work really hard to keep these fats from oxidizing because of all the unsaturation points, which are double bonds in the molecules.

00:36:47.000 So, it gets a little technical here, but fats are long chains of carbons.

00:36:51.000 And at one end, it's a carboxylic acid.

00:36:53.000 But the long chain of carbons, if there's a double bond between two of those carbons, it's called an unsaturation.

00:36:59.000 A double bond between two of the carbons makes the molecule kinked and it makes it more susceptible to oxidation, which is a loss of electrons.

00:37:06.000 This is just to say that polyunsaturated fats are more fragile, and saturated fats are more robust.

00:37:12.000 And so, what have humans eaten throughout all of our history?

00:37:15.000 A pretty significant amount of saturated fat.

00:37:17.000 We never feared animal fat.

00:37:19.000 Tallow is a tried and true fat.

00:37:21.000 In 1900, for instance, there were essentially very, very few, essentially vanishingly small amounts of seed oils in the human food supply.

00:37:30.000 99% of the fat that we ate was butter, lard, and tallow.

00:37:34.000 And rates of heart disease were essentially zero.

00:37:37.000 So, this is really interesting to me.

00:37:39.000 Now, correlation is not causation.

00:37:41.000 Seed oils come into the human food chain in around 1911.

00:37:45.000 Proctor and Gamble created Crisco and we kind of went downhill from there.

00:37:49.000 But they're very fragile fats, especially when you cook with them.

00:37:53.000 So, for cooking, you want stable fats like butter or ghee or tallow because they're more saturated.

00:38:00.000 Tallow is essentially a 50-50 mixture of monounsaturated and saturated fat.

00:38:04.000 It has maybe 1% polyunsaturated fat, but it's a very stable fat for cooking because those saturated fats don't become oxidized.

00:38:12.000 That is broken when they're heated.

00:38:14.000 There's a crazy study, I'll just say this and then I'll pause, where they actually looked at seed oils in the fryers of restaurants that made french fries.

00:38:22.000 And when you heat a seed oil, whether it's corn or canola or soybean, they break down into molecules that are found in cigarettes.

00:38:31.000 One of these molecules is called acrolein.

00:38:33.000 These are known carcinogens, they're aldehydes.

00:38:36.000 And the amount of these carcinogenic compounds found in a large serving of french fries was equivalent to smoking 20 cigarettes.

00:38:46.000 So, people lose their mind when I say this and they misquote me and say, you know, I'm saying seed oils are worse than cigarettes.

00:38:52.000 But if you are eating French fries cooked in seed oils, which most of the U.S. population is, you are essentially getting an equivalent dose of smoking a pack of cigarettes of many of these carcinogenic compounds.

00:39:05.000 This is the problem with heating seed oils.

00:39:07.000 You don't want to do that.

00:39:08.000 Tallow doesn't have that problem.

00:39:10.000 That's unbelievable.

00:39:12.000 It's crazy, right?

00:39:13.000 In a minute, I want to ask you how much we'll get away with, but I just want to run through the rest of my brand because I'm never going to get the opportunity for this consultation with you again.

00:39:20.000 Well, I will, I hope I will, but I want to take this one.

00:39:23.000 So these are tallow balms for the face.

00:39:26.000 This one's a nighttime one with lavender essential oils, and this is morning with vanilla and citrus.

00:39:33.000 Is there any evidence to suggest it's good for the skin?

00:39:36.000 Is that a good idea for us to use these?

00:39:40.000 There's a lot of anecdotal evidence.

00:39:41.000 I don't think there's any controlled trials for tallow.

00:39:44.000 I put tallow on my face all the time.

00:39:46.000 There's a lot of anecdotal evidence now for people putting tallow on your face.

00:39:50.000 The idea here is interesting to me because if you, I mean, you know, if you live in a place that's that has humidity, you can tell that your skin is hydrated and it has oils in it.

00:40:01.000 And the cell membranes of your cells are made from essentially oils or derivatives of oils.

00:40:06.000 So when you put an oil onto your skin, those oils become incorporated into the epidermis.

00:40:11.000 And the concern here is that if you're putting things on your face that are full of these polyunsaturated fats, is that affecting the epidermal skin, the cell membranes, and making those membranes more fragile?

00:40:26.000 They've shown this in animal models.

00:40:28.000 When they feed mice or rats or rabbits seed oils, they are much more prone to getting skin cancer when exposed to ultraviolet light.

00:40:38.000 And you can put these seed oils on the skin and show that it creates DNA damage and oxidative stress in epidermal cells.

00:40:45.000 So people might not think like, I'm not putting seed oils on my skin.

00:40:48.000 Well, look at what's in your skincare.

00:40:50.000 A lot of skincare does have seed oils and some sunscreens contain seed oils.

00:40:55.000 So we need to be careful about what we're putting on our skin.

00:40:58.000 Tallow, I think, anecdotally is great.

00:41:00.000 And historically, a lot of cultures have also always put olive oil on their skin.

00:41:04.000 And olive oil has much lower levels of polyunsaturated fat than most seed oils.

00:41:10.000 Olive oil is really a fruit oil.

00:41:12.000 Seed oils are refined, bleached, deodorized.

00:41:14.000 If you look at a seed oil factory, it looks like a tire factory.

00:41:18.000 There's black smoke billowing out.

00:41:20.000 It's a huge thing.

00:41:21.000 They have to like heat the oils to 450 degrees.

00:41:23.000 They use hexane and other solvents to extract it.

00:41:25.000 It's a chemical plant.

00:41:27.000 This is not, you know, when you make tallow, you just heat beef fat and there it is.

00:41:31.000 When you make olive oil, you press olives.

00:41:34.000 The same way that when you were talking earlier about the complexity of the mitochondria, I felt the presence of God in the evident ingenuity.

00:41:42.000 Indeed, what is ingenuity other than the felt presence of some divine power that seems to supersede even the upper echelons of our great gift reason?

00:41:52.000 I feel when I hear you describing seed oils, like the presence of actual evil, because I don't think that even if Procter ⁇ Gamble with that first early seed oil, even if it was just blunt profit at the beginning of it, once we know these are like, you know this, why is Paul Saladino not working for the UK government or the US government?

00:42:15.000 Why is this information not being implemented at the level of policy?

00:42:20.000 The answer, obviously, is profitability, but perhaps it's something even darker than that.

00:42:25.000 That's what I sometimes think.

00:42:26.000 They say wisdom is acting on knowledge.

00:42:29.000 Once you know that seed oils have a carcinogenic component, why would you not immediately say, right, well, we better stop that?

00:42:37.000 And then you only have to look at the way that they behaved around Johnson ⁇ Johnson baby powder, the way that they behaved around Purdue and the opioid crisis, what seems to be the obfuscation of truth around the pandemic era and the issue of various vaccines.

00:42:53.000 Paul, can I ask you what seems in this crazy climate to be, I suppose, a personal question.

00:42:59.000 Do you take vaccines at all?

00:43:01.000 Did you take COVID vaccines?

00:43:04.000 Would you, I don't know if you have children or not, would you, do you vaccinate your children?

00:43:09.000 Okay.

00:43:11.000 This is the lightning rod issue.

00:43:12.000 So when I was a child, I didn't get to make a choice.

00:43:15.000 And my parents gave me what in the 1970s and 80s was a full set of vaccines.

00:43:21.000 I'm 48 years old.

00:43:23.000 So when I was growing up, I had a much smaller number of vaccinations than are given to children today.

00:43:31.000 Since I have had agency over what goes into my body, I have chosen to not receive vaccines.

00:43:37.000 And that includes the COVID vaccine.

00:43:39.000 So I did not receive the COVID vaccination and I chose to leverage my metabolic health, you know, and I did get COVID and it was fine.

00:43:49.000 And so that's a sort of a really important conversation.

00:43:52.000 The vaccination conversation is very personal.

00:43:54.000 And I'll just say this to frame it.

00:43:56.000 I think that this is up to any individual parent.

00:43:59.000 And I wouldn't want my intentions around this to affect anyone's judgment.

00:44:04.000 It's very, very personal.

00:44:05.000 But I will say that I don't have children right now, Russell, but I'm hoping to create them very soon.

00:44:12.000 I have a really, really wonderful girlfriend.

00:44:14.000 And we're hoping that, hopefully we're going to work on that soon. 0.97

00:44:17.000 Using penis and sperm and uterus and ovum, the technique. 0.84

00:44:25.000 Thank you. 0.92

00:44:26.000 Thank you.

00:44:27.000 You're not the only scientist, Paul.

00:44:30.000 Thank you.

00:44:31.000 Thank you.

00:44:32.000 I'll tell her that tonight.

00:44:34.000 We'll get to work.

00:44:35.000 And so the thing about vaccinations is that the more that I learn about the history of illness and the potential negative downsides of vaccinations, the more concerned I am about vaccinating, the more concerned I am about giving my children vaccinations.

00:44:55.000 I think that there is a lot there for me to learn increasingly.

00:45:00.000 And I think that there are people who know much more about this than I do.

00:45:04.000 And so it's a real tricky issue.

00:45:06.000 But I think that at this point, I have some pretty big concerns about vaccinations for children in general.

00:45:12.000 And I will say this.

00:45:13.000 I think that anytime that people are not allowed to talk about side effects from medications or vaccinations, there's something sinister going on beneath the surface.

00:45:26.000 Why is it that during COVID and during even now, anyone that talks about vaccine-related side effects or negative consequences is immediately silenced and derided.

00:45:42.000 That to me is just very concerning.

00:45:43.000 So there's a lot to question about these for humans.

00:45:47.000 And I think that no matter what we decide about vaccinations for our families, we should be very clear about the fact that there do appear to be some children that are harmed negatively by vaccinations.

00:45:59.000 And I think we need to try and understand how we know which children those might be, how we treat them in those situations.

00:46:05.000 And we need to give presence to those voices in society and say, why are these, you know, why are these voices being silenced?

00:46:11.000 Like if a mother really thinks that their child was harmed by a vaccination, we need to learn about that and try and understand if there's something about that child's history or physiology or physiognomy that is making them more susceptible to these things.

00:46:24.000 This is a big deal for humans.

00:46:25.000 I think that there are many children that receive vaccinations that don't appear to have any negative consequences.

00:46:30.000 But how tragic is it when a child is vaccinated and that could cause a negative thing for the child?

00:46:35.000 So there's, it's a very, I think it's a more complex road to navigate than it's made out to be.

00:46:41.000 Yes, I think you're quite right about that.

00:46:43.000 This book, Forbidden Facts by Gavin DeBecker, is an extraordinary series of beautifully, beautifully rendered accounts of, among other things, the way that the Institute of Medicines has been used to verify a variety of harmful commodities and chemicals, starting with Agent Orange and maybe going all the way up to the COVID vaccine.

00:47:08.000 And what Gavin DeBeker has done rather brilliantly as an author is provide all of his working out access through QR codes to all of the studies that he's using.

00:47:18.000 And also, when it comes to the manufacture of vaccines, which you alluded to your own studies of the inception and development of, he points out how many extraordinary chemicals, aluminium, mercury, and a variety of other sort of Macbeth, well, you know, Macbeth-like sort of substances that have been, I'm an actor still at heart, deployed, excuse me, peculiar chemicals and concoctions that have found their way into vaccines.

00:47:46.000 And yeah, the very fact that there's so much heat around it, Paul, indicates something's going on, doesn't it?

00:47:52.000 I think it does, Russell.

00:47:54.000 It doesn't seem, why can't we talk about it?

00:47:58.000 You know, why can't I understand?

00:48:00.000 It was silenced during COVID.

00:48:01.000 It's being silenced now.

00:48:02.000 It's just, it's concerning to me.

00:48:03.000 So there's more to learn there.

00:48:05.000 On the personal level, then, because I want to make sure that I don't leave this conversation without the full benefit of your excellence, when it comes to me and my wife and my three children, whole foods, organ, whole foods, organic, minimum amount of chemical intervention is what you would suggest.

00:48:26.000 Avoid sucrose, avoid processed.

00:48:30.000 And if that's true, and I know that it is, I know, I know, can see actually just from looking at you, one, that you're extremely healthy, and two, that you're telling the truth.

00:48:39.000 If that's true, what does that sort of suggest?

00:48:42.000 Doesn't it sort of suggest that we are sort of designed to be in total harmony with nature and that our attempts to counterfeit, manipulate, control, synthesize are, if not demonic, because it's such a loaded word, certainly bad for us and maybe bad beyond that, that once we have this knowledge base, that we don't act on it.

00:49:05.000 So is it basically eat natural food?

00:49:08.000 Is that essentially the message for me and my family and for our audience today?

00:49:12.000 Eat food for humans.

00:49:13.000 I would say eat food for humans, you know, and like we said, you know, that's single ingredient foods, foods with labels your great grandmother would recognize, eat food for humans.

00:49:21.000 And that's, that's really, that's the first step, but that's a huge step.

00:49:25.000 That's a step function change.

00:49:27.000 You know, you do that and watch what happens.

00:49:30.000 And I know that your health has improved radically.

00:49:32.000 I mean, your physique looks amazing now.

00:49:34.000 Does it?

00:49:35.000 And yeah, it's incredible, dude.

00:49:37.000 That's incredible.

00:49:38.000 It's incredible.

00:49:40.000 And I mean, I, you know, I didn't see your abs when you were a vegan or vegetarian, but like, this is amazing.

00:49:45.000 And I just want people to understand that so much of what we are suffering from as humans is fixable by simply going back to eating food for humans.

00:49:54.000 So eating like humans and living like a human.

00:49:56.000 Which, and, you know, living like a human is more obvious, but we could, you know, mention like go outside, get sunlight in your eyes, you know, be careful of, you know, your screens and touch the earth with your bare feet every once in a while and play with your children outdoors.

00:50:08.000 Live like a human, have community, but then eat like a human.

00:50:11.000 And that gets so complicated.

00:50:12.000 But you're a great testament to the fact that meat, animal foods are at the center of every human diet if you want to thrive.

00:50:19.000 And so that's just such an important thing for people to understand.

00:50:22.000 Like you said, documentaries have convinced many of us otherwise.

00:50:27.000 And I think that's just tragic because so many people have had their health suffer or had their health decline when they eliminate meat.

00:50:34.000 Oftentimes with the best intentions, they reclaim their health when they reincorporate meat.

00:50:39.000 And to me, that's a huge victory.

00:50:40.000 So yeah, it doesn't need to be overly complex.

00:50:42.000 Eat food for humans, you know, and make sure that animal foods are at the center of your diet.

00:50:47.000 They don't have to be all of your diet.

00:50:49.000 You know, if you want to eat rice or you want to eat sourdough bread or you want to eat potatoes, great.

00:50:54.000 But just, you know, you want to eat salad, fantastic.

00:50:56.000 Don't eat seed oils.

00:50:57.000 That's not food for humans. 0.98

00:50:58.000 You know, your great-grandmother wouldn't recognize that.

00:51:00.000 You know, don't eat processed sugars.

00:51:02.000 Those are really problematic for the gut flora.

00:51:04.000 But most other things work for many people.

00:51:07.000 Like if you just eat animal foods and unprocessed plant foods, you're going to do great.

00:51:13.000 And so many of the things that you're suffering from are going to be reversed.

00:51:16.000 And you're going to go see your doctor and they're just going to kind of wide-eyed look at you and go, what are you doing? 0.89

00:51:19.000 And you just say, I'm eating food for humans, dummy. 0.88

00:51:22.000 You never told me to do this. 0.54

00:51:23.000 It was the simplest thing ever.

00:51:25.000 Like I've been told by you and other friends in medicine, you spend very little time in your medical training focusing on food because the medical profession has been captured by pharmacology, it seems, and industrialized aspects of medicine for reasons that are plain, profitability and perhaps something beyond that.

00:51:41.000 I'm getting right back on the creatine.

00:51:43.000 I'm going for the top-level stuff.

00:51:45.000 I want to touch before I get, I would love to touch on methylene blue once more.

00:51:49.000 Like when I heard about SSRIs and how ineffective they were and how potentially dangerous they were and for how long SSRIs and various other antidepressants dominated the marketplace and was prescribed, it makes me wonder about what you said about methylene blue, which, by the way, I'm bringing up again because I have some of those in my brand.

00:52:07.000 What it makes me think is that I'm probably one of those people that you say would potentially benefit from it even with even when you account for its complexity, Paul.

00:52:21.000 Because, you know, I don't know how to best describe it.

00:52:26.000 I've had a lot of problems with addiction.

00:52:27.000 I've had a lot of problems with mental health most of my life.

00:52:31.000 Listening to you, I feel like, oh my God, if my mum hadn't been feeding me on Finders Krispy pancakes and burgers, frozen foods, the food that everyone ate where I grew up and the food we were all told that we were supposed to eat when I grew up, you know, then maybe it would be different.

00:52:44.000 But in the same way that when you were talking about veganism then, I sort of thought that there probably should be a priest class of like almost Jain people that, you know, wouldn't literally wouldn't hurt a fly or a flea and don't eat meat because it's their religion.

00:52:58.000 I can see why some people would be that devout in a kind of Greta Thunberg way, like someone that's just super devout and really believes in what they believe in.

00:53:07.000 But ow. 1.00

00:53:07.000 Oh, crap, Paul. 1.00

00:53:09.000 Electrolytes. 0.99

00:53:10.000 I need the electrolytes. 0.99

00:53:11.000 Idiocracy. 0.96

00:53:12.000 Idiocracy. 0.99

00:53:14.000 I need the electrolytes. 0.93

00:53:15.000 Oh man, I've done so much.

00:53:16.000 I've done hot yoga today.

00:53:18.000 Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

00:53:20.000 I need the electrolytes.

00:53:21.000 I said to the people making my brand, I need electrolytes.

00:53:24.000 But like, yeah, like that's what it's like.

00:53:27.000 Do you think that it's possible that people say with addiction issues or people that are marginal, what do you think is the difference when it, because we've talked a lot about nutrition and observable anatomical health.

00:53:38.000 Now, I know mental health is obviously a subset of overall health because it's all in the body.

00:53:43.000 All these systems are obviously holistic and interconnected.

00:53:47.000 But I wonder what you feel, like people that have had addiction issues and mental health issues.

00:53:52.000 Do you think there's a dietary or supplementary component that needs to be specifically addressed?

00:54:00.000 Certainly, it's very complicated.

00:54:02.000 And I think it's probably a bio-individuality thing, you know, on a case-by-case basis.

00:54:06.000 But yeah, I think that, you know, there's things.

00:54:09.000 Is it methylation?

00:54:10.000 You know, do you need more of methylated B vitamins?

00:54:14.000 Is it something in the mitochondria?

00:54:16.000 And there definitely are people who have, let's just say, like impaired mitochondrial cellular respiration for whom methylene blue can be helpful.

00:54:25.000 I just think it's important to understand the mechanism.

00:54:28.000 And so, yeah, these things are possible at the cellular level and it's very individual.

00:54:33.000 That's another thing that's a piece of this.

00:54:35.000 And this is humbling for me because I've sort of changed my mind about this over the years.

00:54:39.000 Like, I don't think there's any one size fits all formula for people other than just eat food for humans, right?

00:54:45.000 Like love your family, be outside, do something that makes you feel awe and just eat food for humans.

00:54:52.000 That's a good start.

00:54:53.000 But otherwise, there are definitely individual differences between humans.

00:54:57.000 What works for me may not work for you and vice versa.

00:54:59.000 So there is some sort of a process, which is a beautiful thing of every human going through this individual hero's journey to understand what your body needs to be most optimally healthy at a cellular level.

00:55:11.000 I can't believe the success of your books, the Carnivore Code and the Carnivore Code Cookbook.

00:55:16.000 And now, what is your latest book and what are you tackling?

00:55:20.000 How are you going to change society now?

00:55:21.000 You've turned me from a vegan to a carnivore with your meddling.

00:55:25.000 Now, where are you dragging us next, Saladino?

00:55:30.000 So, you mentioned it earlier in the podcast.

00:55:32.000 There are too many propaganda vegan documentaries.

00:55:36.000 So, I'm working on a documentary.

00:55:38.000 It's going to be out next year, probably in the summer.

00:55:42.000 And it's a documentary about eating food for humans.

00:55:45.000 And I, you know, it's a documentary about how returning to what we've always known as humans, how remembering where we've come from can really heal us.

00:55:52.000 So, I'm working on a documentary.

00:55:52.000 So, that's exciting.

00:55:54.000 I'm also working on a book.

00:55:55.000 The book is getting close.

00:55:56.000 The book will probably be out late next year sort of, you know, timeframe.

00:56:00.000 So, those two things are coming.

00:56:02.000 And I just, I'm excited about those things because there is a need, I think, for humans to just have some sort of guidance there.

00:56:09.000 And I want more people to understand that their medical issues are fixable with simple means, you know, not with pharmaceuticals, but by just returning to real food.

00:56:18.000 More specifically, here at home in Costa Rica, I just bought a sort of run-down hotel on the beach and I'm going to renovate it.

00:56:28.000 And I'm going to make it into what I think will be the most based hotel in the world.

00:56:33.000 We're going to have red lights and sauna cold plunge, a pool with no chlorine, ozone.

00:56:38.000 We're going to serve grass-fed meat and raw milk.

00:56:40.000 So I'll keep you posted about that.

00:56:41.000 You guys got to come down and see my hotel.

00:56:43.000 It's going to be a few months to renovate it, but I bought a hotel on the beach here and it needs a little renovation.

00:56:49.000 And then I'm going to make a place for people to come together because I feel like the other piece of this is community.

00:56:55.000 And we're going to this increasingly digitized world and that bothers me.

00:57:00.000 You know, I wish we could do this in person.

00:57:02.000 I hope we get to hang out again in person soon, but humans need community and we need to be together in person with people.

00:57:09.000 And so I wanted to create a space in the world.

00:57:11.000 It's going to be humble.

00:57:12.000 It's not grand.

00:57:12.000 I didn't buy like a freaking, you know, four seasons, but I bought a small space for people to come together and just be united around shared values on the beach here in Dominicao, Costa Rica.

00:57:23.000 So that's exciting.

00:57:24.000 Dominicao.

00:57:25.000 Do you think it's going to be more like retreats rather than just rock up and come and stay at Paul Saladino's hotel?

00:57:33.000 We'll see.

00:57:34.000 We'll see.

00:57:34.000 I kind of like the idea of both.

00:57:37.000 I do an animal-based gathering every year, which isn't really a retreat as much as it is just a community building thing here in Costa Rica.

00:57:43.000 Anyone can come.

00:57:45.000 Yeah, the details of that are at AB.

00:57:47.000 Actually, you go to animalbasedgathering.com, I think, or dot org, animal-basedgathering.org if you want details about that.

00:57:53.000 I don't make any money from that.

00:57:54.000 All the money goes to my nonprofit.

00:57:56.000 But I do sort of like a retreat type thing every year in Costa Rica.

00:58:00.000 I think I want to do them quarterly at the hotel, but I also just want to have a space where people can just arrive and you're you, the chances that you're going to meet people that have shared values around living a certain way and prioritizing health, community, nutrient-dense foods and probably other values of living, getting out of the matrix, non-digital, you know, life.

00:58:24.000 That's exciting to me because I think that that would be cool to me.

00:58:27.000 You know, if I knew there were somewhere in the world, whether it's Costa Rica or Sweden or wherever, that I could go and there's going to be people that are just there that have shared values, that's amazing.

00:58:37.000 You know, meeting new people is so valuable for humans.

00:58:39.000 So it'll be both.

00:58:40.000 I want to come there.

00:58:41.000 I'd like to do a retreat for our whole organization at your hotel when it opens and cover.

00:58:46.000 Because for me, that's like I spend all my time, like when I'm traveling or touring, I'm like, I want to be able to have saunas.

00:58:51.000 I want to be able to have cold plunges.

00:58:54.000 And it's nice when you find yourself in an environment where these kind of synthesized versions are not required, where you can't just get in cold water because it's cold or you can be outside because it's warm or whatever it is.

00:59:05.000 But I've got to say that since I got cleaned from drugs, since I've come to our Lord, like these things are, these kind of obsessions, it almost shows me what the addiction was if it had been correctly directed.

00:59:17.000 It's not a malfunction.

00:59:19.000 It's just misdirected.

00:59:20.000 It's just, it's appetite, it's energy is what it really is.

00:59:24.000 It's spirit.

00:59:25.000 Like if you have a lot of spirit and you live in environments where it's like, oh, probably you should just watch porn and eat chocolate, then you're going to eat chocolate and watch porn in a very kind of capacious and enthusiastic manner.

00:59:39.000 Really, if we're directed towards health and vitality, then we will flourish and thrive.

00:59:44.000 So thank you, Paul Saladino, for taking responsibility for that, for en masse and reaching so many people, changing so many lives, including my own.

00:59:52.000 Thank you.

00:59:54.000 You're very welcome.

00:59:56.000 I'm humbled and honored to get to do it.

00:59:58.000 You know, like I said in the beginning, I just see myself as a conduit.

01:00:02.000 I don't think necessarily that any of the ideas come from me.

01:00:09.000 I think it's something bigger.

01:00:10.000 And I'm just trying to be the best conduit that I can be for those things.

01:00:13.000 And I'm honored to get to be that conduit.

01:00:16.000 And I just, I'm excited to keep doing it.

01:00:18.000 Good.

01:00:19.000 Hopefully you'll come to Jesus soon.

01:00:22.000 You know, I grew up Catholic and I certainly appreciate beauty, you know, and I think that's the first step.

01:00:32.000 I don't think that I've completely gone away from Christianity.

01:00:36.000 I tend to be more of just church's nature, but I definitely believe in something bigger than me.

01:00:43.000 You know, when I'm out in the ocean, I'm in the jungle and in these places, I hope you do come to Dominical and I can show you the river below my house and these ocean and the waves that I surf in.

01:00:52.000 It's a beautiful place.

01:00:53.000 So I'm close.

01:00:55.000 Of course you are.

01:00:56.000 And I'm not surprised you surf either.

01:00:58.000 Of course, of course, naturally.

01:01:00.000 Hey, what was the last disgusting thing you ate?

01:01:03.000 What was the last time you ate something wrong? 0.96

01:01:05.000 I don't mean disgusting like a kangaroo's bollock. 0.99

01:01:07.000 I bet you do that all the time.

01:01:10.000 I mean like something like, oh, that you thought, oh no, I shouldn't be eating that.

01:01:16.000 I think that one of the things that I've been blessed with, Russell, is discipline.

01:01:20.000 It's been a long time.

01:01:22.000 It's been more than a decade, perhaps 15 or 20 years.

01:01:26.000 Who knows?

01:01:26.000 You know, I remember.

01:01:28.000 You're a priest.

01:01:29.000 You're a monk.

01:01:30.000 You've not eaten like a bag of Doritos or a can of Coke.

01:01:34.000 You just, that'll be again, it's against your religion. 0.99

01:01:38.000 It doesn't work for me.

01:01:39.000 It doesn't do anything for me psychologically.

01:01:41.000 For me, the negative salience of that is very strong and it's never appealed to me.

01:01:47.000 I think it's just, it's a blessing and a curse.

01:01:49.000 You know, I'm very, I'm very disciplined with that.

01:01:51.000 And I would rather not eat.

01:01:52.000 And you'll see, I mean, if you talk to people that I travel with, I just bring all of my food everywhere with me.

01:01:58.000 I don't, I don't mess around with this because I just feel so bad.

01:02:01.000 It's been such a long time.

01:02:02.000 I'll tell you, I've never really been a big drinker.

01:02:07.000 The last time I had half a beer was when I was a freshman in medical school, which was many, many years ago.

01:02:14.000 So I haven't had, and that was probably the last, I mean, probably sometime in medical school, I had something like that.

01:02:22.000 That was, you know, over 15 years ago, long time ago.

01:02:26.000 I'd like to think that your girlfriend works at like KFC and like eats like Twizzlers and like nerds and like cans of tab. 1.00

01:02:36.000 Paul Saladino falls in love with like a woman that can't, that lives entirely on red dye and fake foods. 1.00

01:02:44.000 Oh man, it's so like, it's so useful.

01:02:46.000 I tell you, you're going to make even more.

01:02:48.000 I know you've made an incredible impact and had incredible success already.

01:02:51.000 I know that you righteously understand it to be something that's kind of flowing through you, but I'm very, very interested in seeing what future success you have and what else you do.

01:03:03.000 Come to Costa Rica, brother.

01:03:04.000 I'll see you here.

01:03:06.000 I went like, I mean, I've just got back from El Salvador, man.

01:03:08.000 That place is pretty crazy.

01:03:10.000 And I went to Costa Rica not that long ago.

01:03:12.000 I'm going to come there.

01:03:13.000 I'm going to come over with like Hiram Gracie and some like bear grills. 0.97

01:03:17.000 I'm going to come there with a bunch of badasses. 1.00

01:03:21.000 We the the hotel that I bought has a huge yoga deck upstairs.

01:03:26.000 So we could put mats down.

01:03:27.000 You guys could just roll.

01:03:28.000 That's it's a huge open space.

01:03:30.000 We could put mats.

01:03:31.000 We could do a big jiu-jitsu seminar there.

01:03:33.000 It's amazing.

01:03:34.000 And it looks right out at the ocean.

01:03:35.000 It's incredible.

01:03:35.000 It's a huge space.

01:03:37.000 Yeah, we'll have grass-fed meat, raw milk.

01:03:39.000 It's going to be amazing.

01:03:41.000 Yeah, that's for me.

01:03:42.000 That's the kind of thing I dream about now.

01:03:44.000 It used to be like cocaine and heroin and sex workers.

01:03:48.000 Now it's like, oh, Paul Saladino and a cold plunge.

01:03:50.000 That'll do me.

01:03:52.000 Yeah.

01:03:54.000 And some jiu-jitsu is sweaty dudes.

01:03:54.000 Thank you.

01:03:56.000 Yep.

01:03:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:58.000 Like they're very good at jiu-jitsu.

01:03:59.000 Oh, man.

01:04:00.000 Well, Paul, thank you very much for joining us today on stay free.

01:04:00.000 All right.

01:04:04.000 Thank you for having me on.

01:04:05.000 Thank you for having me on.

01:04:06.000 I'll just tell you this, guys, because we don't even, the hotel is so new.

01:04:09.000 I don't even have a website, but it's going to be called Humano, like human in Spanish.

01:04:14.000 So the hotel is going to be called Humano.

01:04:17.000 So if you just search Humano, Dominicao, Costa Rica, eventually we will have a website and people will be able to come in a few months once we get it renovated.

01:04:25.000 It's going to be amazing.

01:04:26.000 It's going to be great.

01:04:27.000 It's great.

01:04:27.000 It's going to be great.

01:04:29.000 I'm going to be in touch with you.

01:04:29.000 I'm serious about that thing.

01:04:31.000 Thank you.

01:04:32.000 Absolutely, man.

01:04:33.000 It's great to connect with you.

01:04:34.000 I hope we get to hang out in person again soon.

01:04:36.000 Sometimes I'm in Florida.

01:04:37.000 Are you up?

01:04:38.000 Are you North Florida?

01:04:40.000 Yeah, my girlfriend is from South Florida. 1.00

01:04:42.000 I'm in the Panhandle.

01:04:43.000 I'm in like between Destiny and Panama City around that bit.

01:04:46.000 So Tallahassee.

01:04:49.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:49.000 I get down there.

01:04:50.000 My girlfriend's going to see the Palm Springs folks.

01:04:52.000 Like Dr. Oz is down there sometimes and Kennedy and that.

01:04:56.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:56.000 Maybe I'll cross paths with you there.

01:04:59.000 I may spend some time in Miami.

01:05:00.000 My girlfriend is right now living in St. Pete, but she's going to be here in Costa Rica with me.

01:05:05.000 So I'll let you know anytime I'm in Florida, maybe we cross paths.

01:05:07.000 I'd love to.

01:05:08.000 I'm going to tell you plainly.

01:05:10.000 All right, Paul, send me a text.

01:05:11.000 I'm going to come see you in Costa Rica.

01:05:13.000 Cheers, man.

01:05:13.000 All right, brother.

01:05:14.000 Thank you so much.

01:05:14.000 I'll talk to you soon.

01:05:15.000 Praise Jesus.

01:05:16.000 See you later.

01:05:17.000 Thanks, Russell.

01:05:17.000 Bye-bye.

01:05:18.000 Bye-bye.

01:05:21.000 Well, that's all the time that we've got.

01:05:23.000 What an interview.

01:05:24.000 What an ending.

01:05:25.000 What a show. 0.68

01:05:26.000 What a guy.

01:05:27.000 The abs are coming through.

01:05:28.000 I've never felt healthier.

01:05:29.000 Thank you so much to Paul Saladino and thanks for you.

01:05:32.000 We will be back for a live show at this time, at this date, on this day.

01:05:38.000 Not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

Stay Free - Russel Brand - November 17, 2025

Why We’re Sick — And How to Fix It: A Deep Dive with Paul Saladino - SF651

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