Stay Free - Russel Brand - WTF!? Facebook Worse Than Fox? Plus RFK Jnr Surges - #121 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:01:29.000 Because if you think that democracy is working, if you think you've got a free press, you'll be living in a dream world, baby!

00:01:35.000 We're going to be telling you in depth about RFK.

00:01:39.000 Is he being smeared by the MSM?

00:01:40.000 Let us know in the chat if you think the mainstream media are trying to smear RFK.

00:01:45.000 Did you see that spoiler?

00:01:46.000 No mention of all of his pro-environmental work that they claim to care so much about.

00:01:50.000 the political spectrum all introduced RFK as anti-vaxxer.

00:01:55.000 No mention of all of his pro-environmental work that they claim to care so much about. Is he a real

00:02:01.000 threat to Biden and why won't Biden debate him? He's going to be on the show next week at RFK

00:02:06.000 but today we're just sort of preparing for him I suppose by you know excitedly embracing if I may say

00:02:13.000 a potential new political voice.

00:02:16.000 Then, if you're watching this on YouTube, I mean, can I even say the words?

00:02:20.000 Almost certainly not, Ross.

00:02:21.000 Dr. John Campbell, currently on a ban on a strike from YouTube.

00:02:27.000 Obviously, we can't discuss why, because we would then get a strike on YouTube, and we love you, you 6.4 million awakening wonders.

00:02:34.000 We want you to join us over on Rumble, but we want you to get this content wherever you can in order to support us.

00:02:40.000 Ultimately, we need you.

00:02:41.000 over at rumble even as the world in circles Rumble and other free speech platforms like the American

00:02:48.000 military in circling China Then claiming that China's the problem because there's a

00:02:53.000 new spate of laws being bought in by the five eyes Countries and don't think of five guys burger franchises

00:02:59.000 every time I mention that it's childish Because what they're doing is they've got like every single

00:03:05.000 one of those countries wherever it's canardia or New Zealand

00:03:09.000 Or Inglaterra or the America or Australia?

00:03:12.000 They've got eerily similar laws almost as if there's been some centrally agreed upon set of edicts that are now being

00:03:20.000 Mandated and I don't remember voting for it They tend to have their congressional or parliamentary debates late, late, late, late at night, so you can't participate, right?

00:03:29.000 But we bring the debate right to you, and here it is.

00:03:32.000 Also, One of my friends is coming on the show, Daniel Chandler has written a fantastic book, here it is, Free and Equal, What Would a Fair Society Look Like?

00:03:40.000 This is a brilliant attempt to revivify some liberal principles but in a way that's right, in a way that works and that isn't co-opted by corporate and financial forces using the philosophy of John Rawls.

00:03:52.000 We'll be learning more about that and how we can get bloody money Out of politics.

00:03:56.000 We're only going to be on YouTube for a minute because, you know, we've got to get Dr. John Campbell.

00:04:00.000 He's joining us on the line.

00:04:02.000 We've got to platform him.

00:04:03.000 Someone's got to platform him, haven't we?

00:04:05.000 Have someone go?

00:04:05.000 Well, he's bored, isn't he?

00:04:06.000 What's he going to be doing?

00:04:07.000 That guy is sat at home twiddling his thumbs, filming himself for no reason, shooting from above.

00:04:12.000 I mean, if you look here at the data... No one's watching, John!

00:04:15.000 John, for God's sake, like Mrs. John Campbell.

00:04:17.000 John, you're on your own, just sort of like talking to her.

00:04:19.000 If you see here, this is why I actually don't have to do the washing up.

00:04:22.000 You can see here, look, I've done my fair share of the chores.

00:04:25.000 Look at that, see?

00:04:25.000 Of course.

00:04:26.000 Come and have dinner with me for once.

00:04:28.000 I won't.

00:04:28.000 I don't have to have dinner because I'm surviving on crushed up tablets.

00:04:31.000 You see?

00:04:32.000 Like that.

00:04:32.000 I crush them up and get all my nutrients from the crushed up tablets.

00:04:35.000 But before we get into all that wonder, have you ever wondered if there are any icebergs out there that were disgusting fallacies?

00:04:43.000 Because I know I have.

00:04:44.000 Have a look at this dickie berk. 1.00

00:04:47.000 This is a, it's a, it's a slowly melting iceberg and I'm glad it's melting.

00:04:51.000 Very intimidating.

00:04:52.000 Look at that, Dickieburg.

00:04:53.000 Saucy devils.

00:04:55.000 As well as a, a, a, a melting ice cap that's giving some people cause for concern, consternation and giving us all a giggle.

00:05:03.000 Facebook have reached an out-of-court settlement.

00:05:05.000 What for, mate?

00:05:06.000 What is this for?

00:05:07.000 Face, Meta has set out to settle Cambridge Analytica scandal case for $725 million.

00:05:13.000 That's too close to the Fox settlement for the, uh, claims about the Dominion voting machines to not receive, I think, more coverage and to be more widely understood.

00:05:22.000 Yeah, so this happened in December, but now what it is, is that Facebook users can apply for some of that $725 million money.

00:05:22.000 Don't you agree?

00:05:31.000 But obviously, like, we know... You can get a bit of that if they've been using... What did they do?

00:05:35.000 Use your data?

00:05:35.000 Manipulate you?

00:05:36.000 They harvested your data of, like, its users.

00:05:39.000 Oh, when will there be a harvest for the world?

00:05:45.000 There's probably loads of different ways that it's like you can't have access to it and you're not entitled to it.

00:05:57.000 You know what it would be like?

00:05:58.000 Insurance.

00:05:59.000 Like when they're selling you insurance.

00:06:00.000 Insurance!

00:06:01.000 You gotta have insurance!

00:06:02.000 Oh anything!

00:06:02.000 Oh yeah?

00:06:03.000 Any problems?

00:06:04.000 You can take your insurance!

00:06:05.000 Hey I need that insurance!

00:06:07.000 They never, innit?

00:06:08.000 Oh no, sorry, it don't cover that.

00:06:09.000 What?

00:06:10.000 And I've not even told you what it is yet.

00:06:11.000 I'll tell you, it don't cover it.

00:06:13.000 Whatever is the thing that you're trying to use insurance for, it don't cover it.

00:06:16.000 Or should we say allegedly just in case of insurance?

00:06:17.000 Allegedly!

00:06:18.000 There's the sort of people that are like... I guess we're sued by an insurance company.

00:06:21.000 I don't want that added to your list of problems.

00:06:24.000 Ireland could pass laws making it illegal to read non-mainstream news sources.

00:06:28.000 Now when you look into this, in part what they're saying is they're making it illegal to have material that incites hatred based on gender and race.

00:06:38.000 And I think all of us would agree.

00:06:39.000 Let me know in the comments in the chat No one should be hating anybody on the basis of gender or race, or hating anybody at all, actually.

00:06:46.000 I mean, if you have even good reason to hate someone, your job is to get over it in order to free yourself from the manacles of hatred that will ultimately destroy you.

00:06:55.000 But hating people because of characteristics that are just part of who they are? 0.97

00:07:00.000 Absolutely bloody ridiculous.

00:07:01.000 But what will happen, I believe, and you know more about this stuff than I do, you do a lot of the heavy lifting, darling, I'm up the front. 0.76

00:07:08.000 The problem with this, I guess, is who gets to decide.

00:07:14.000 The issue that they're trying to get to is this idea of, like, thought crimes.

00:07:18.000 And what people are saying about it is, if now you're starting to police people over thought crimes and lock people up over thought crimes, is that the way that we want to go?

00:07:27.000 As in, somebody's done something wrong before they even do it?

00:07:31.000 As in, if there's material on your computer, are you guilty by the fact of there's just material on your computer or not?

00:07:37.000 And I guess the issue is, as exactly as you say, no one wants to see hatred, no one wants to see all those kind of things, but who gets to decide?

00:07:45.000 And do the parameters for these kind of laws change according to whatever government's in, whatever the situation is at the time?

00:07:52.000 It's a fascinating point from a handsome man.

00:07:55.000 What's interesting, also, is to look at these simultaneous online bills and how they align.

00:08:01.000 Now, we're going to stay on YouTube and Twitter, and on Twitter, we're going to stay on Twitter.

00:08:08.000 But after that... Careful!

00:08:09.000 Thought crime.

00:08:10.000 That's a thought crime?

00:08:11.000 Maybe.

00:08:11.000 Well, because it could have been a Cypriot person.

00:08:13.000 Right.

00:08:14.000 But it wasn't, though.

00:08:15.000 Oh, sorry, I did a fart.

00:08:17.000 Is that the worst thing that's ever happened on YouTube?

00:08:19.000 That's a thought crime.

00:08:19.000 That's a strike.

00:08:21.000 Strike one! 0.87

00:08:22.000 If only it was strike one!

00:08:24.000 We're going to explain these Western Nations Simultaneous Online Bills, right? 0.71

00:08:28.000 You're going to love this because they seem to be acting in concordia.

00:08:31.000 Last week, I think, Canada passed a bill.

00:08:34.000 Yeah, that's what I call them.

00:08:35.000 Passed a bill.

00:08:36.000 The online streaming bill.

00:08:37.000 Bill Nye and Shreveville.

00:08:38.000 Merica, working on the Restrict Act.

00:08:40.000 The UK, they'll be debating late night in their leather green chambers.

00:08:44.000 Hold up! 0.98

00:08:45.000 Just one or two of them there, trying to usher some new secrecy through, won't they, Gal?

00:08:49.000 That's the way it works.

00:08:50.000 And then after this, we're going to go to Dr. John Campbell.

00:08:54.000 Perhaps the world's loveliest, cuddliest fellow.

00:08:56.000 He came here.

00:08:57.000 He sat right where you're sat now.

00:08:58.000 Yeah, I was a bit jealous.

00:08:59.000 And where we'll have my mate Daniel Chandler sitting in a minute. 0.99

00:09:03.000 But let's have a look at this.

00:09:04.000 So look at Now, all of these countries are simultaneously coming up with legislation that appears to be in accordance with one another.

00:09:04.000 Look.

00:09:11.000 Now, you might say, well, of course they're all communicating.

00:09:13.000 We know they do.

00:09:14.000 We know they're communicating.

00:09:15.000 But this is one of the revelations of Edward Snowden, that these countries were sharing one another's data and spying on other countries' populations as a sort of loophole.

00:09:24.000 Because it's illegal for America to spy on American citizens, but it's not legal for Australian secret services to spy on American citizens.

00:09:30.000 And they all exchange data.

00:09:31.000 It's some sort of, I call it, cyber wife swaps. 1.00

00:09:35.000 Sci-fi wife swap-in, like, why don't you spy on mine and I'll spy on yours? 1.00

00:09:39.000 Well, I don't mind if I do, buddy.

00:09:41.000 That's a hell of a... Oh, look at those five eyes!

00:09:44.000 Oh my! 0.58

00:09:45.000 So, there's the online safety bill, enforced through fines of up to 18 million quid or 10% of annual global turnover.

00:09:52.000 Right, so that's like, if you are deemed... Now, look at, like, take the case of Dr. John Campbell.

00:09:57.000 These community guidelines are often opaque and difficult to understand, aren't they?

00:10:02.000 Like, we're all the time, because we love YouTube.

00:10:04.000 Evolving and changing all the time.

00:10:05.000 I think that's the point, isn't it?

00:10:07.000 if you know where you stand with something.

00:10:08.000 But if the parameters are able to change all the time, then it's difficult.

00:10:13.000 Like don't step on the grass.

00:10:14.000 Okay, well also though, don't look at the grass.

00:10:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:18.000 It's like, it's every, it's literally Kafka-esque.

00:10:20.000 Like if you, like we've got here a quote from Franz Kafka.

00:10:23.000 Have a look at that.

00:10:24.000 If I put my phone down, because I want to look at the actual description

00:10:27.000 of the trial by Joseph Kafka, or Franz Kafka, excuse me.

00:10:31.000 Like, look at this.

00:10:32.000 Right, so this is a, all right, yeah.

00:10:34.000 What is Kafka's trial really about?

00:10:35.000 The trial is a novel written by Franz Kafka but not published until 25 after... No, I'm just going to read my one.

00:10:41.000 Joseph K is a bank worker accused of a crime but he is never told the nature of his crime and he must navigate a seemingly impossible legal system to save himself.

00:10:51.000 It starts, I think, with a famous line, someone must have been telling lies about Joseph K because without warning he was arrested.

00:10:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:58.000 What Kafkaesque has come to mean, the same way as Orwellian means you're being spied on and all that, Kafkaesque means that bureaucracies are untenable and mysterious, and you don't know what it is you're supposed to do and not supposed to do.

00:11:11.000 That's actually happening now.

00:11:13.000 It's certainly happening with YouTube.

00:11:14.000 I mean, that's one of the things that wherever you are on YouTube in terms of politically, I think everyone can admit that the YouTube guidelines are so difficult to work your way around, to know what you're meant to say, what you're not meant to say, what you're meant to monetize, what you're not meant to monetize.

00:11:27.000 And where people love naturally free speech and open communication, this will lead to the rise of other platforms like Rumble, but simultaneously bureaucratic entities and legislative entities, nation states are cooperating and the platforms rather are cooperating with them to ensure that free speech can be restricted.

00:11:45.000 Take the example around the pandemic.

00:11:47.000 You already know that YouTube used the WHO's guidelines.

00:11:50.000 Now that needn't be nefarious, but it is opaque and it is difficult to understand.

00:11:54.000 And it did lead to, as you know, in the case of Twitter, true information being censored.

00:11:58.000 And it's still impossible to talk about stuff that's empirically true on YouTube.

00:12:03.000 And dear Dr. John Campbell, don't even know why he's banned.

00:12:05.000 Have a quick glance at these various laws before going to that tweet.

00:12:09.000 There's some EU thing, that's gonna basically mean that Rumble, you know, Rumble already can't broadcast in France and you'll see that the French people are very happy right now with the way they're being governed.

00:12:19.000 France's democracy is working absolutely fine.

00:12:21.000 Street parties!

00:12:23.000 It's like a big jubilee but made out of fire, burnt out cars and tipped over bins.

00:12:29.000 Yeah, there's the Online Streaming Act in Canada, I think that's already been passed.

00:12:32.000 The Restrict Act in the US, which obviously they used the young lad there, Buddy Boy, Texera, and his revelations to push over the line.

00:12:39.000 I mean, this is why people, because obviously Elon Musk has got involved in this, like, saying that it's a bad idea.

00:12:45.000 Because I guess people are worried this is a kind of pilot scheme.

00:12:48.000 And when you look at what people are saying about this... But what's a pilot scheme, Gal?

00:12:51.000 This thing that's happening in Ireland, and what's just been passed in Canada, is that, as you say, that this will just become ubiquitous.

00:12:57.000 Right.

00:12:58.000 And if you look at something like... I mean, we literally can compare it to the Patriot Act.

00:13:01.000 Why people are saying it's the Patriot Act 2.0 is because the stated goal of the Patriot Act was not what the Patriot Act was used for.

00:13:08.000 I see.

00:13:08.000 And that's the thing here.

00:13:09.000 Right.

00:13:10.000 That's brilliant.

00:13:10.000 Because that makes it simple.

00:13:11.000 Does that make it clear to you?

00:13:13.000 Because the Patriot Act was, well, you don't want terrorists blowing up buildings and killing people and stuff.

00:13:16.000 Oh, no, God, that's awful.

00:13:17.000 That's awful.

00:13:18.000 Right.

00:13:18.000 Good.

00:13:18.000 Well, let's have the Patriot Act.

00:13:19.000 Oh, by the way, we're spying on everyone now, and we decide what the word terrorist means.

00:13:23.000 The restrict act is, well, you don't want people being hateful to people because of protected characteristics or characteristics that are just part of who they are, and they shouldn't receive bias, prejudice, bigotry or hatred.

00:13:32.000 Of course not.

00:13:33.000 Everyone agrees with that.

00:13:35.000 Good.

00:13:35.000 Well, also, we're going to be spying on you.

00:13:37.000 We're going to be controlling you, censoring you, shutting down information.

00:13:39.000 It's clever, man, how they do this stuff.

00:13:42.000 Just one last thing.

00:13:43.000 The Canada Online Streaming App, so this has been passed.

00:13:45.000 The video platform says that the law would force it to recommend Canadian content on its homepage rather than videos tailored to a user's specific interests.

00:13:53.000 This is literally tailoring what you should be... What you should be... Censorship!

00:13:57.000 They found a way!

00:13:58.000 Because when these platforms first came about, and YouTube is the biggest and the best of them.

00:14:02.000 Rumble is the upcoming little hustler.

00:14:05.000 It was about freedom of speech.

00:14:07.000 It was about individual content creators, independent media, people with specific interests from Mr Beast to PewDiePie to people doing makeup tutorials.

00:14:17.000 Suddenly we were competing in an open market space.

00:14:19.000 And what do they talk about all the time?

00:14:20.000 Free market, the power of the market.

00:14:22.000 Not no more, baby.

00:14:23.000 It'll be censored in accordance with the will of the government and they will Obviously they'll say, well we like power, it's power for power's sake.

00:14:31.000 They're gonna say, we're helping you, we're protecting you, we're keeping you safe.

00:14:36.000 But it's literally Kafkaesque because the laws are opaque and difficult to understand.

00:14:40.000 Let's have a look at Dr John Campbell's tweet where he announced that he'd been given a strike for speaking to British MP Andrew Bridgen.

00:14:47.000 So there you go, he's announced his strike, he's off for a week, he's bothering his wife, But it's taking a bit of time off from loafing around the house in what I imagine is definitely a fleece.

00:14:56.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, join us on Rumble right now.

00:14:58.000 There's a link in the description, because we're going to talk about this story openly and freedom, freely.

00:15:03.000 When it comes to freedom, I'm like an American politician.

00:15:05.000 Democracy, freedom, democracy, freedom.

00:15:07.000 Are you going to get some I am here, Russell.

00:15:08.000 of Dr. John Campbell's. He got semiconductors!

00:15:11.000 No! This is about democracy and freedom!

00:15:14.000 It's always been democracy and freedom!

00:15:16.000 See you on Rumble. Click the link in the description.

00:15:18.000 Are you there, Dr. John? Are you there?

00:15:22.000 I am here, Russell. Nice to talk to you again.

00:15:24.000 Really missed you.

00:15:25.000 I've really missed you a great deal.

00:15:26.000 How are you, mate?

00:15:28.000 I'm very well, thank you.

00:15:29.000 Yeah, and you're both looking well, I must say.

00:15:31.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:32.000 Thank you very much.

00:15:33.000 Are you bothering the missus since you've had time off work?

00:15:35.000 What are you doing?

00:15:36.000 How are you feeling the time since the ban?

00:15:38.000 I've been assigned all sorts of jobs around the house and digging the allotment and cleaning the car and all sorts of things that I've been putting off for ages.

00:15:46.000 Don't get under her feet, John.

00:15:48.000 That's right.

00:15:49.000 Don't get under my feet!

00:15:51.000 You're under her feet! 1.00

00:15:52.000 Now, do you understand why you have received this strike and this ban, Dr John?

00:15:57.000 Why is it?

00:15:58.000 Why is it?

00:15:58.000 Level, absolutely, yes.

00:16:00.000 The notification, accusation, whatever it was from YouTube said, medical misinformation.

00:16:09.000 And that's all it will tell you.

00:16:10.000 It doesn't actually tell you what medical information there was.

00:16:14.000 Of course on my channel I'm very careful to go back to the original sources and try and look at the evidence as much as I can.

00:16:21.000 So there'll be an article in the Telegraph or the Guardian and I'll go back and look at the original papers or the original publications and try and get it right as far as I can.

00:16:31.000 But when you're talking to people like politicians, in a sense they are the authority.

00:16:37.000 So if Mr Bridgen says something or Rishi Sunak says something, then that is their opinion.

00:16:43.000 And, you know, you would like to think that that was valid, but that's what I got the strike for, an interview with Mr Andrew Bridgen, Member of Parliament for North West Leicestershire, on Saturday the 29th of April.

00:16:58.000 Dr John, Andrew Bridgen was in the news because he stood up in Parliament and started talking about vaccine injury and the way that people had lent into that particular policy in ways that in retrospect was not as watertight as was initially suggested, that lockdown policies were unreliable and he's Made some headway, but I think he's since been booted out of the Conservative Party, which is our equivalent of the Republican Party here in the UK, and there's an attempt to censor and shut down him.

00:17:26.000 Now, me as a person that's more... I wouldn't really align myself with the Conservative Party in Great Britain.

00:17:31.000 God, no.

00:17:32.000 But I'm very interested, of course, in freedom of speech, and I'm particularly interested in this subject.

00:17:37.000 What in particular did you find interesting What is the... Is there a particular substance or medication that you mentioned, and remember you're on Rumble now, John, so you're safe to talk freely, that you think may have led to the ban?

00:17:50.000 And I'm presuming it's something that Andrew said, because we have things like that often with our guests.

00:17:54.000 They come in here, shatting their mouths off, and we have to pay the bill.

00:17:56.000 Yeah, I mean I've looked through what he said really quite carefully and everything that he has said, we've said on previous videos, he did mention hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin really only in passing.

00:18:10.000 So that could have been the issue.

00:18:12.000 You sort of kind of get the impression that because it was Andrew Bridgen it was looked through perhaps more carefully than it would have been normally.

00:18:20.000 But whether you agree with Andrew Bridgen or not, really Russell, I don't think that's the issue.

00:18:24.000 The point is he's giving counter-argument.

00:18:27.000 And the whole point of our democracy is we have the Houses of Commons, which is supposed to be a debating chamber.

00:18:33.000 So if Andrew Bridgen wants to come on and say, well, I believe there's a Loch Ness monster, or I believe we've been visited by aliens, then as a Member of Parliament he's allowed to do that, and the other Members of Parliament should give counter-argument.

00:18:45.000 But Andrew Bridgen hasn't done that.

00:18:46.000 He's said things that are perfectly reasonable.

00:18:48.000 He's given evidence for it.

00:18:49.000 He's consulted senior scientists around the world, and he's put forward these arguments, and he talks to an empty chamber, which our American viewers simply don't understand.

00:18:59.000 At best, it's impolite.

00:19:00.000 So rather than giving counter-argument, he just seems to have been cold-shouldered, ignored, sent to Coventry, whatever you want to call it.

00:19:07.000 Where is the debate?

00:19:08.000 Where is the counter-argument?

00:19:10.000 Where is people saying, well, you've given that evidence, but let's look at this evidence, or you've cited that guideline, let's look at that guideline.

00:19:17.000 Why is there no debate going on?

00:19:19.000 Why has a sitting Member of Parliament been effectively silenced by his colleagues?

00:19:23.000 I find that really quite concerning, Russell.

00:19:25.000 I feel like one of the reasons that the parliamentary distancing was required is because he rhetorically referred to the Holocaust, which is broadly understood to be in bad taste.

00:19:36.000 But I think generally speaking, that's how people use it, that the Holocaust is a great stain on humanity and a disgusting act of genocide and racism and a reminder of the dangers of fascism and tyranny.

00:19:49.000 Even when he was speaking just about vaccines, it was an empty chamber.

00:19:53.000 That's the reaction of the party in booting him out.

00:19:56.000 But as Dr John says, even when he was speaking about vaccines from a scientific point of view, it was to no one.

00:20:01.000 It's a weird political system that we have.

00:20:03.000 They're either in there shouting like children, waving pieces of paper around, or they're in there on their own. 0.97

00:20:09.000 Or in one case, one person was caught masturbating. 0.81

00:20:12.000 And that is the best system of government we could possibly come up with.

00:20:15.000 What troubles me, Dr. John, in the case of your YouTube strike, is I know how meticulous you are.

00:20:21.000 I know that you are rigorous in the way that you research your content.

00:20:26.000 I know that, you know, throughout the pandemic, the reason you attracted such a large audience on your YouTube channel is because you are Trustworthy and authentic and honest and as a medic you recognize the significance and importance of all medicines including and in some cases especially vaccines but that has to be underwritten by clinical trials, honest debate, transparency around the data and throughout this I think you've just walked a tightrope of authenticity, rigor and honesty.

00:20:55.000 I think it's incredible how you've done it.

00:20:56.000 I think it's absolutely Well, it doesn't appall me that you've been booted off for a week, but it informs me what's happening here.

00:21:03.000 Particularly, did you check what we had there, Dr. John, about the spate of legislature being passed, even through the EU, over in Ireland, Canada, the Five Eyes countries?

00:21:14.000 What do you make of that, John?

00:21:16.000 There does seem to be a worldwide movement at the moment, Russell, and of course we've got this new World Health Organization treaty, which there's been a debate in Parliament about.

00:21:24.000 But the only reason there was a debate in Parliament about that was because there was 156,000 signatures from concerned members of the public, and that triggered this parliamentary debate because it reached 100,000 signatures.

00:21:37.000 And it's not just Andrew Bridge, and we've had quite a few other MPs expressing really quite significant concern about this.

00:21:43.000 The idea that information can be controlled and the idea that unelected bureaucrats, who happen to be in Geneva in this case, can pass laws or pass edicts which would be binding in the United Kingdom.

00:21:57.000 And it does seem to be happening all around the world, so there seems to be like a what you might call an international zeitgeist at the moment, an international movement It's Canada.

00:22:08.000 Canada and New Zealand are probably the worst.

00:22:11.000 Ireland, as you've said, issues going on there.

00:22:13.000 The United States, the United Kingdom, all seem to be moving in the same direction.

00:22:17.000 It's almost like some sort of mass virus that's affecting people in different parts of the world.

00:22:23.000 But the question in my mind is, Why is this affecting people in different parts of the world all at the same time?

00:22:29.000 Is there some underlying cause?

00:22:32.000 Is there some underlying motivation?

00:22:34.000 Is there some coordination to this?

00:22:36.000 Because otherwise it just seems like one heck of a big coincidence to me.

00:22:40.000 Conspiracy theorists would say that they're perhaps acting in concert because of the communication that takes place through organisations like the WFWHO because of their shared commercial interests and the evident necessity to crush counter-narratives as you seek to increase centralised authoritarianism at a time that it is plain that the opposite is what's required.

00:23:01.000 Open debate, independent media, new political movements.

00:23:04.000 We'll be talking to RFK, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:23:09.000 Next week and our investigation in the show where we have a deeper look at one story from the news centres around RFK.

00:23:16.000 Do you have any optimism, John, that this time of universal censorship, Kafkaist judiciary smearing and the crushing of dissent will lead to oppositional independent political movements as well as independent media voices of which you are now notably and plainly one?

00:23:34.000 The independent media voice is yes for the time being, although as we both know we're being controlled in that respect, Russell.

00:23:42.000 I did talk to Andrew Bridgen about this and it's interesting because we've got these people making decisions externally to us and I said have you not got any doctors in northwest Leicestershire that you can ask about things because they're much more likely to know what the requirement is locally rather than someone externally.

00:23:59.000 This principle of subsidiarity which we're making decisions More locally, whether there's going to be any coordinated international opposition to this is really quite hard to see.

00:24:10.000 It is happening insidiously.

00:24:12.000 It's happening slowly.

00:24:14.000 So people aren't realizing the dramatic shift that there's been.

00:24:18.000 But it's so concerning because you were talking about hate before, Russell, and we know that in totalitarian regimes, which have arrived on the far right and the far left, we don't need to give examples.

00:24:28.000 But hate has been defined by what the next door neighbor doesn't like about you.

00:24:33.000 They use this as a way of reporting you.

00:24:35.000 They use this as a way of getting at you.

00:24:37.000 So it's easy to point out.

00:24:40.000 laws in my media, in your media, in anyone's media.

00:24:44.000 But they're not offensive.

00:24:45.000 But if people, if someone is interpreting that as being offensive, and at the moment, the key word is hate, that we're hating if we breach these guidelines.

00:24:56.000 In the past, it's been loyalty to the party.

00:24:59.000 We have no... Who's going to define that as the key issue?

00:25:02.000 That's what frightens me.

00:25:04.000 There is no worthy authority to whom we can yield with such matters.

00:25:09.000 That's increasingly what we find because there is so much high-profile collusion.

00:25:13.000 You can't say in all honesty, well we will trust you to be Yeah, yeah.

00:25:17.000 the body or institution or individual that decides what information should be censored

00:25:22.000 or what constitutes hatred and we know that we can trust you to use that judiciously and

00:25:27.000 not as a way to leverage your own financial interests and your own dominion.

00:25:32.000 John, I can see you've got another thought forming because I can tell from your face.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:37.000 The other problem in the...

00:25:39.000 Very perceptive Russell.

00:25:40.000 The other problem in the United Kingdom is that it's very hard to have independent voices of opposition because of the political party system that we have in this country.

00:25:49.000 So basically it's impossible, virtually impossible, to become a Member of Parliament in the United Kingdom unless you're in a particular party.

00:25:58.000 So the Conservative Party have got maybe half a dozen MPs that have spoke out against the Covid narrative.

00:26:03.000 And they've been largely silenced by the party.

00:26:07.000 Labour, Scottish Nationalists, Lib Dems, hard to think of any MPs there that have really spoken out against it because there's this party narrative.

00:26:15.000 Now, if I wanted to stand for Parliament, which I don't particularly, or you wanted to stand for Parliament and we stood as an independent, then in a particular constituency with our first past the post system, you would be going up against the party system.

00:26:29.000 And this has a lot of power.

00:26:30.000 It's got a lot of history and a lot of strength.

00:26:33.000 So our democracy is only mediated through the political party system, and it's virtually impossible for independent voices to be heard, at least in government.

00:26:43.000 The House of Lords is an exception to that to some degree, but even there, the party system holds an awful lot of sway.

00:26:50.000 So I am somewhat pessimistic about independent voices pointing out this international trend to collectivization, to data control.

00:26:59.000 Our in-studio guest in a moment, Daniel Chandler, has written a book, Free and Equal.

00:27:03.000 He'll be talking a lot about how the systems and institutions of democracy are prohibitive.

00:27:09.000 He talks a lot about the first-past-the-post system rather than proportional representation that we have in this country.

00:27:15.000 You scarcely need look at the systemic abuses within American politics to understand that

00:27:21.000 it's always a result of expenditure, donations, lobbying.

00:27:26.000 When I say it's always a result of, I mean, the sort of the movements of power and what

00:27:30.000 gets legislated, what gets maligned and what gets ignored.

00:27:33.000 There are so many ways of shutting down debate.

00:27:36.000 Just anecdotally, Dr. John, we very much enjoyed the bit of footage where Anthony Fauci spoke

00:27:42.000 to an African-American family and tried to tell them, like, these are the reasons why

00:27:48.000 you should be taking these medications.

00:27:50.000 These are the advantages of it.

00:27:51.000 They were so well informed.

00:27:53.000 They really understood the issues well.

00:27:56.000 They really understood the challenges.

00:27:58.000 They really understood the anomalies that were likely in place and subsequently revealed to be problems, like the lack of clinical trials around transmission.

00:28:06.000 A lot of people intuited that, and of course it's conversationally and statistically understood that certain communities, i.e.

00:28:12.000 the economically poor, uh the people of color were uh vaccine hesitant as the term was then and we learned the other day from our guest who was it was it schellenberger told us this or was it uh that told us that they spent a lot of money infiltrating civil rights movements in order to persuade people

00:28:32.000 It's just been so lovely to walk this path with you.

00:28:43.000 You're going to have to be careful about who you have on as a guest in future, Dr. John, because when we had Jimmy Dore on, it was Jimmy Dore got us in trouble, wasn't it?

00:28:57.000 What did Jimmy Dore say?

00:28:58.000 I mean, we're on Rumble now, so we can repeat it.

00:29:00.000 There was again something about the Was it bloody vaccines or ivermectin or something?

00:29:04.000 It's usually things that are kind of reasonable or marginal at worst.

00:29:09.000 When you think of the kind of egregious propaganda that's been allowed to endure when it comes to the other side of that, and particularly when you start to couple it with the evident and obvious attempt to legitimize control at a time when control is breaking down.

00:29:25.000 His point was about the profiteering of the pharmaceutical companies.

00:29:28.000 That's the point he was making.

00:29:29.000 They take that out of it.

00:29:31.000 They reduce it to, oh, well, you said this and therefore you're off.

00:29:34.000 People are asking here, Firegirl 2020, I missed the Jimmy Dore segment.

00:29:37.000 It wasn't on this show, but it's obviously accessible to Rumble, our whole library, as well as much of Dr. John's content is available on Rumble for fun and for free right now.

00:29:46.000 I think we have to move forward because we've got a We've got a beautiful investigation and presentation on RFK and his recent success in the American polls.

00:29:56.000 Got any thoughts on RFK and these kind of independent political voices, Dr. John?

00:30:01.000 Well, independent political voices are always good.

00:30:03.000 I don't have to claim to have any great knowledge about Robert Kennedy's political position.

00:30:10.000 Claims!

00:30:11.000 Make some claims!

00:30:12.000 I'm open to it.

00:30:13.000 I certainly don't like the converse, which is the paternalism we've had.

00:30:17.000 They sit down there and we'll tell you what to do and we know best and your job is to obey and say thank you.

00:30:23.000 Anything that is a counterbalance to that I would welcome and certainly welcome the open debate and let's hope it is open debate and that we're not curtailed by outside influences.

00:30:34.000 Genuine cross-party alliances.

00:30:36.000 I'd like people from the left, people from the right that are interested in independence standing up to centralised authority.

00:30:43.000 And as you say, people should have the right to be wrong.

00:30:46.000 Like all this misinformation, disinformation stuff, all of this hate speech stuff, no one should be indulging in hateful rhetoric, but we should be trusted to discern for ourselves what is misinformation, what is hateful rhetoric, which authority are you going to yield to.

00:31:00.000 Which corrupted big tech or governmental body do you trust to decide on how your moral compass should be set?

00:31:08.000 I don't trust none of them.

00:31:10.000 That's where I start and I've got a feeling that that's where I'm going to finish too.

00:31:13.000 Thanks for joining us, Dr John.

00:31:15.000 Okay, long live objective thought.

00:31:17.000 And I have unique access to it.

00:31:20.000 I am the conduit to the divine.

00:31:23.000 Thanks for joining us, Dr Jon.

00:31:24.000 Looking forward to seeing you back on YouTube next week.

00:31:25.000 Dr Jon's of course available continually on Rumble.

00:31:28.000 Unless you happen to be French, where to get kicks you're going to have to simply go onto the streets and set fire to something. 1.00

00:31:34.000 That's the only way your voice is likely to be heard. 0.96

00:31:37.000 Good luck with that.

00:31:38.000 Start sharpening those guillotines, baby, because there's a dark, dark dawn coming soon!

00:31:43.000 No, we're not advocating for that type of revolution or violence on the streets.

00:31:46.000 In fact, we're doing quite the opposite.

00:31:47.000 What we want is collaboration, democracy, localized assembly, control over our budgets.

00:31:53.000 Many ideas of this nature will be discussed by our guest, my friend Daniel Chandler, taken from his book Free and Equal, where he explores the philosophy of John Rawls.

00:32:03.000 Before we get into our guest, This is a wonderful presentation.

00:32:07.000 Oh, you're going to love this.

00:32:08.000 This is good stuff, this, Gareth.

00:32:10.000 Good stuff.

00:32:10.000 This is bloody good.

00:32:13.000 RFK is going to be another one of those political voices that the Democrat party system shuts down.

00:32:18.000 Why?

00:32:19.000 Because it's genuinely radical.

00:32:20.000 When you have a look at his, admittedly, it's a propaganda video.

00:32:23.000 I mean, if you watch Joe Biden's propaganda video, you'd think, oh, this guy's fantastic.

00:32:27.000 Except you might notice that he never talks about financial corruption.

00:32:31.000 He never talks about the military-industrial complex.

00:32:33.000 He never invites you to consider alternative foreign policies, diplomatic solutions to

00:32:37.000 wars.

00:32:38.000 He never talks about the great stain on American life that the pharmaceutical industry has

00:32:44.000 induced.

00:32:45.000 RFK, forever described in the mainstream media as an anti-vaxxer, I think has a lot more

00:32:52.000 to offer than that.

00:32:53.000 And certainly he should be heard, and his voice should be heard.

00:32:58.000 God bless him.

00:32:59.000 Let's have a look now at our presentation on RFK, his recent success, and why is Joe Biden refusing to debate him?

00:33:07.000 Here's the news.

00:33:08.000 No!

00:33:09.000 Here's the effing news baby. 0.87

00:33:11.000 Thanks for refusing Vox Morgans. 0.99

00:33:13.000 Now, here's the fucking news. 0.99

00:33:17.000 We don't need anti-vaxxers like RFK who's surging to 19% in the polls. 0.99

00:33:23.000 Not when we've got Kamala Harris and Joe Biden ensuring that everything will stay the same.

00:33:28.000 Stay the same!

00:33:31.000 New alliances, new ideas will be necessary if you're serious about change.

00:33:36.000 But guess who's not serious about change?

00:33:37.000 The establishment!

00:33:38.000 The establishment is about keeping things established, static, stagnant, the same.

00:33:44.000 The balanced press response to RFK's candidacy has been, well, it has been balanced because

00:33:49.000 they're all saying exactly the same thing.

00:33:51.000 Look at all these headlines.

00:33:53.000 Not a single original opinion among them.

00:33:55.000 Could there be some reason that they're all willing to parrot the same tune, all willing

00:34:00.000 to sing from the same hymn sheet?

00:34:02.000 Well, of course there is, because they care about you and your safety.

00:34:05.000 They're just trying so hard to protect you that they can't have nuanced conversations 1.00

00:34:09.000 because you're too stupid to understand nuance. 1.00

00:34:11.000 Why do we need these apparently radical figures, these apparently alternative discourses, while 1.00

00:34:16.000 we've got two of the greatest leaders in political history already in the White House?

00:34:21.000 Let's remind ourselves.

00:34:22.000 So I think it's very important, as you have heard from so many incredible leaders, for

00:34:30.000 For us at every moment in time, and certainly this one, to see the moment in time in which we exist and are present.

00:34:40.000 Gotta see the moment in time in which we... we gotta see that one.

00:34:44.000 And to be able to contextualise it, to understand where we exist in the history Yeah, that's right.

00:34:52.000 Oh yeah.

00:34:52.000 And in the moment, as it relates not only to the past, but the future.

00:34:56.000 But she's only vice president. 0.65

00:34:58.000 Luckily, in the White House, we've got a brilliant wit and raconteur.

00:35:02.000 We've got a radical thinker and agitator.

00:35:04.000 We've got someone who's willing to stand up for what he believes in and ain't afraid to communicate it.

00:35:08.000 President Biden was photographed holding a cheat sheet during his press conference yesterday.

00:35:14.000 Look, it has a photo of Los Angeles Times reporter, Courtney Subramanian.

00:35:19.000 Subramanian, Courtney Subramanian, I'm on Joe Biden's press pass notes.

00:35:25.000 The card also includes her question.

00:35:27.000 You can also see someone's handwriting telling the president that she will ask the first question.

00:35:33.000 The whole thing is theatre.

00:35:35.000 He's told in advance what the question will be, who's asking the question, how to say the name phonetically.

00:35:41.000 We are engaged in a spectacle.

00:35:43.000 Of course the machine, the theatre, the production cannot take radical voices.

00:35:47.000 Of course the mainstream media has to smear any alternative voices that might challenge establishment narrative.

00:35:54.000 Of course the mainstream media will support the establishment in smearing, shutting down and ridiculing any alternative voices.

00:36:02.000 So how's he doing?

00:36:03.000 Is this just a fringe 1% sort of a guy?

00:36:06.000 Well no, he's polling nearly 20% in the primary against Joe Biden according to the Fox News poll that came out yesterday.

00:36:12.000 Here's some good balanced reporting on a democratic process from the Democrats supporting mainstream media.

00:36:18.000 I'll point out that that's not the only poll that shows him up in double digits, right?

00:36:22.000 In the Kennedy, you have part of the American establishment historically, and in Marianne Williamson, you have a woman who advocates for civil rights, who advocates for identity politics, but who is also anti-establishment.

00:36:33.000 How will the mainstream media support these diverse voices?

00:36:36.000 Is there precedent for an incumbent?

00:36:38.000 You're a week, two days or three days after your announcement and...

00:36:41.000 And you get this crazy guy out there who's getting nearly... 0.91

00:36:44.000 And the fact that they're willing to side in a poll with two literal crazy people. 0.84

00:36:50.000 Do you think? 1.00

00:36:50.000 Crazy! 1.00

00:36:51.000 Crazy! 0.99

00:36:51.000 Couple of crazies. 0.99

00:36:53.000 Thanks, mainstream media. 1.00

00:36:54.000 Let's hear a little more about Crazy RFK and the crazy things he believes in, the crazy old lunatic. 0.95

00:37:01.000 Last week, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. 0.90

00:37:02.000 launched his campaign for President 2024.

00:37:05.000 His main campaign theme is to end the corrupt alliance of big business and government.

00:37:11.000 Oh, hello!

00:37:12.000 I don't see any evidence that the government and big business are colluding.

00:37:16.000 That's why we have a fair democracy where all of the things that you need in your life are simply voted for and then... Hey!

00:37:23.000 He blames this alliance for the rigging of the system that has destroyed the middle class over the last 40 years.

00:37:29.000 He points to the nefarious collusion between big government and big corporations and the transfer of enormous wealth and power over the last 40 years to an American oligarchy.

00:37:37.000 An elite that does not take the needs of the majority into account.

00:37:41.000 Uh, hello?

00:37:42.000 Butterfly net?

00:37:43.000 White coat?

00:37:44.000 Lunatic?

00:37:45.000 I think we all know that big business and the government and the mainstream media are trying their hardest.

00:37:51.000 And the real problem, you know what it is? 0.62

00:37:52.000 It's bloody anti-vaxxers!

00:37:54.000 All these problems, transfer of enormous wealth and power, I think can be traced to people not wanting to immediately take new medicines.

00:38:01.000 Kennedy has been marginalized by the mainstream media for 18 years due to his skepticism of vaccines and for questioning the collusion between pharmaceutical companies and the CDC and FDA.

00:38:12.000 Oh, just because I give them their funding or receive royalties from them, I suppose that... No, that sort of makes sense, actually.

00:38:18.000 His views on the Ukraine war.

00:38:20.000 We are driving Russia and China into an alliance. 0.95

00:38:23.000 You... Oh, next you'll be telling me that the American government themselves don't even believe this war is winnable.

00:38:31.000 And sucking money from our urgent domestic need have also served to ostracise him.

00:38:35.000 What a crackpot.

00:38:37.000 You've got plenty of money sloshing about.

00:38:38.000 Tell us now how you're spending all your excess wealth, probably on cheap fuel, delicious, lovely, nutritious food, and fantastic, wholesome entertainment.

00:38:47.000 But multiple recent polls show Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:38:50.000 pulling double-digit support in the primary, including a Fox News survey on Wednesday that showed him at 90%.

00:38:56.000 Almost as if, like, a lot of people believe that big business, the government and the media and Big Pharma and a powerful war machine are pushing their agenda into your face and down your throat at the expense of truth and honesty.

00:39:07.000 It's weird, it's like some territories opened up where people are willing to listen to ideas that would have once been regarded as radical. 0.98

00:39:13.000 Strange, really, but mostly the problem with this guy is he's nuts.

00:39:16.000 The National Review last week published an article suggesting that such a double digit performance from Kennedy could prove costly for Biden. 0.75

00:39:23.000 No incumbent president in the past 50 years has ceded that much of the vote to a primary challenger and one re-election is noted.

00:39:30.000 Watch them shut this guy down.

00:39:32.000 This is already someone who will not appear on the mainstream media unless it's to be slammed, attacked and smeared.

00:39:38.000 They are working Hard.

00:39:40.000 They are working round the clock to ensure that voices that are genuinely in support of the issues you care about are shut down.

00:39:47.000 Because if you hear any alternative ideas, if you feel that there's a hope for you, if you see a vision, an alternative to the drudgery they impose upon you, you'll obviously vote for it, right?

00:39:59.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments.

00:39:59.000 I know I would.

00:40:01.000 But anyway, let's see what this nutcase RFK has to say.

00:40:04.000 Let's trust our own eyes, our own ears, and our own guts.

00:40:07.000 Rather than the mainstream media, but I bet you he is now.

00:40:09.000 Look at him, sat there in front of some books.

00:40:11.000 What a square.

00:40:12.000 I've been fighting corporate corruption my entire life, but I understand that today the problem is much larger than a few crooked individuals.

00:40:22.000 The problem is a system that no longer serves the people and a people who are so divided and so fearful that they are easily ruled.

00:40:30.000 No, that's not what's happening.

00:40:31.000 Like, people are really coming together and it is just a few crooked individuals.

00:40:35.000 All we have to do is bloody well vote for Joe Biden again and then everything will be really, really different.

00:40:41.000 You just carry on doing the same thing, RFK, and then everything will just sort of spontaneously improve itself, right?

00:40:47.000 Like, oh...

00:40:47.000 It's time to unlearn the reflexes of fear and blame and find ways to unify ourselves and turn our country around.

00:40:55.000 Uh-oh, he's talking about emotions.

00:40:57.000 He's talking about real feelings.

00:40:58.000 He's talking about real connection.

00:41:00.000 Get ready for some serious smearing.

00:41:02.000 I won't pretend to you that it will be easy, but I know what it will take.

00:41:06.000 My father said it.

00:41:08.000 Love, wisdom, and compassion toward one another.

00:41:11.000 And I seem to remember that his father went on to have a long and fruitful career with that anti-establishment rhetoric which, oh.

00:41:17.000 But surely what about his brother though?

00:41:19.000 Oh.

00:41:20.000 Ah, but what about the civil rights leaders at the time like Martin Luther King and Malcolm X? 0.99

00:41:23.000 Mate, you might want to fucking shut up. 0.98

00:41:25.000 We will scale down the war machine and bring our resources home. 1.00

00:41:29.000 Boo! 0.83

00:41:30.000 Keep our resources over there!

00:41:31.000 Give the money to the military-industrial complex!

00:41:34.000 You crackpot!

00:41:35.000 There's nothing crazy about every American tax dollar giving over a thousand dollars a year to the military-industrial complex while they suffer at home.

00:41:41.000 That's sanity!

00:41:43.000 We will rebuild our water systems, repair our roads.

00:41:46.000 No!

00:41:47.000 Who wants war systems and roads? 1.00

00:41:49.000 Keep with the wealth transfer to the economic system that was creating a billionaire a day during the pandemic.

00:41:54.000 Boo! 0.83

00:41:57.000 Modernize our railroads and clean up our environment.

00:42:00.000 Who's to say the railroads need modernizing?

00:42:03.000 And can you think of even one example where an unmodern railroad and an environmental damage ever come together in a terrible, terrible collision in East Palestine?

00:42:11.000 I can't think of... No, no, there is a good example of that.

00:42:14.000 We will also clean up government and earn back the people's trust.

00:42:18.000 I am very angry.

00:42:19.000 I am very angry.

00:42:20.000 That's a person who's actually thought, what is it that I'm here for?

00:42:23.000 I'm actually very angry.

00:42:24.000 I've had enough of this.

00:42:25.000 But to RFK's point, Congress people owning stocks and shares in the companies they regulate, there's no other way of doing it.

00:42:31.000 Having them individually lobbied to by private corporations, it's not like you could, I don't know, ban that.

00:42:36.000 And having parties funded by private donors from the world of big business, that could never be banned either.

00:42:41.000 There's nothing at all that could ever be done.

00:42:43.000 Boo! 0.83

00:42:43.000 Cuckoo! 0.83

00:42:44.000 Cuckoo! 0.59

00:42:45.000 We will end the secrecy, the censorship, and the surveillance.

00:42:49.000 No, no, the secrecy, the surveillance, these are our proudest traditions!

00:42:53.000 We will face honestly the darker parts of our history, the genocide, the racism, not to shame or blame or punish, but to repair as best we can in a spirit of compassion and kindness toward all.

00:43:08.000 Compassion, kindness, no shaming and blaming, but an honest appraisal of things that have gone wrong and a new way to search forward while simultaneously challenging elite interests.

00:43:17.000 This is exactly the kind of person that you don't want. 0.99

00:43:20.000 Hopefully the mainstream media and the government will spend a lot of time convincing you to never vote for anyone like this, who plainly is some sort of selfish, mad pig. 0.96

00:43:30.000 I'm inviting all of you to join me to create an America that we can believe in and be proud of again. 0.96

00:43:36.000 I'm Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:43:38.000 and I'm running for President of the United States.

00:43:41.000 Do you know what I was thinking the whole time during that?

00:43:45.000 Anti-vaxxer, anti-vaxxer, anti-vaxxer, like the mainstream.

00:43:48.000 When he was talking about an honest appraisal of America's past, curtailing the interests of the powerful, having a cleaner, clearer, more transparent and reliable democracy, I was thinking, all these things are not as important as vaccines.

00:44:02.000 It is not in America's national interest Yes it is!

00:44:05.000 We'll win!

00:44:06.000 We'll win that nuclear exchange! 1.00

00:44:08.000 You're a coward! 1.00

00:44:09.000 And I'm not a patriot! 1.00

00:44:11.000 international interest to do something that could involve us in a nuclear exchange with a country that has more

00:44:18.000 nuclear weapons than us Yes, it is. We'll win. We'll win that nuclear exchange. You're

00:44:23.000 a coward and not a patriot. Boo! 1.00

00:44:25.000 Many of the steps that we've taken in the Ukraine Have seemed to indicate that our interest is in prolonging

00:44:33.000 the war Rather than shortening it so if those are our objectives

00:44:41.000 To have regime change and exhaust the Russians That is completely antithetical 0.99

00:44:47.000 to a humanitarian issue Now, this is a propaganda piece and everyone looks good during their own propaganda, don't they?

00:44:54.000 Remember last week when we watched Joe Biden's propaganda, however, he never once mentions corporatism.

00:44:59.000 He never once mentions war.

00:45:01.000 What he did say when he spoke to powerful donors is nothing will fundamentally change.

00:45:06.000 RFK is talking about change.

00:45:07.000 That is why we are going to witness an unprecedented smearing of RFK.

00:45:11.000 Primarily, I would contest from the left, not from the right, From the left, the people that are supposed to be supporting those values, the people that say they care about equality, the people that say they care about healing America's past, care about genocide, that care about slavery, that apparently are supposed to care about ordinary working Americans and ensuring that a discourse is created that doesn't needlessly generate shame and division.

00:45:31.000 So if they really care about those issues, why is it that in the next few weeks all you're gonna hear them talk about is anti-vax, anti-vax, anti-vax crackpot?

00:45:40.000 Because they don't really care about that stuff.

00:45:43.000 They put that stuff up front.

00:45:45.000 Meanwhile, business deals, corporate donors, lobbying.

00:45:48.000 They're not going to do anything about that because they're part of the same establishment.

00:45:51.000 That's what I think.

00:45:52.000 Tell me in the chat, in the comments, if you agree with me.

00:45:54.000 The stance on war is one of the things that's most surprising.

00:45:57.000 When did the so-called left stop caring about war?

00:46:01.000 Is the best solution really to prolong this war?

00:46:04.000 The best solution for who?

00:46:05.000 For Ukrainian people?

00:46:06.000 Is that what's best for Ukrainian people? 1.00

00:46:08.000 Let me know in the chat, in the comments.

00:46:08.000 Let's have a little read.

00:46:09.000 Joe Biden has now committed us to a forefront global crusade against Russia, China, Iran, and a continually shifting terrorist hit list.

00:46:18.000 We got Russia, big country, ain't going nowhere.

00:46:21.000 China, big country, on the march, rising up.

00:46:23.000 Iran, a country that's currently going for a progressive revolution itself that we could be supporting, but we're at war with them. 0.96

00:46:29.000 And terrorists.

00:46:30.000 We'll never forget those guys from the good old days, who it's impossible to say who they are and who they aren't, depending on what day it is.

00:46:36.000 We can say anybody's a terrorist.

00:46:38.000 That's what makes terrorists great. 0.53

00:46:39.000 Awful. 1.00

00:46:40.000 I hate them. 0.99

00:46:40.000 Grr. 0.99

00:46:40.000 None of these enemies threaten the survival or well-being of Americans. 0.99

00:46:44.000 So it could be argued that we could just sort of ignore them or leave them alone or mind our own business.

00:46:49.000 But where's the money in that?

00:46:51.000 And the record of the United States in coddling dictators and torturers, violating international law and invading other countries mock the claim that we are fighting for universal human values.

00:46:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:47:00.000 We're not fighting for that, are we?

00:47:01.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:47:02.000 What are we fighting for?

00:47:03.000 The war machine budget just for 2024 is $842 billion.

00:47:05.000 And your point is?

00:47:09.000 Add the money for Homeland Security and the State Department and you reach a national security tab of over 1.3 trillion dollars.

00:47:16.000 Yeah.

00:47:16.000 Lots of money for a military that hasn't won a serious war since 1945.

00:47:20.000 Hmm.

00:47:22.000 That's interesting.

00:47:23.000 Almost as if there's some other intention other than winning wars.

00:47:27.000 But what could What would that be?

00:47:28.000 So long as these forever wars were limited to distant places most Americans couldn't find on a map, and Pentagon contracts were deftly allocated among congressional districts, it was all politically manageable.

00:47:38.000 Protected by distance and dollars, Americans could root for Team America on their infotainment channels.

00:47:43.000 Insulated from their constituents, politicians could play and profit from the great game of global geopolitics.

00:47:49.000 But this new Cold War is rapidly raising the stakes.

00:47:52.000 The adversaries are formidable, and the conflicts will be much harder to exit.

00:47:57.000 Yeah, almost like what RFK is saying about driving China and Russia closer together.

00:48:01.000 It's a bad idea!

00:48:03.000 We've already reached the limits of our productive capacity supplying weapons to Ukraine.

00:48:07.000 Ukraine has used up a 13-year supply of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and a five-year supply of Javelin anti-tank missiles.

00:48:16.000 The US produces 14,155mm artillery shells a month.

00:48:20.000 Ukraine burns through that much in two days.

00:48:23.000 Seems like a good business deal.

00:48:24.000 Neither we nor our NATO allies can deliver what Ukraine needs for the victory we are promising it.

00:48:30.000 Oh, it's impossible then, like that whistleblower said on that chat.

00:48:34.000 At the same time, Washington is openly preparing for a war with China over Taiwan.

00:48:39.000 Oh, so that's another war for profit then, not a humanitarian war.

00:48:43.000 Biden opened his global crusade against Russia by promising the world that Americans would sacrifice for others.

00:48:43.000 Hmm.

00:48:49.000 America stands up to bullies.

00:48:50.000 This is who we are.

00:48:52.000 Rather, this is who we say we are.

00:48:53.000 Public support for our Ukraine adventure seems to be following the patterns of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

00:48:59.000 An initial rush of jingoistic flag waving and outrage at the enemy, then second thoughts.

00:49:03.000 Support for sending weapons to Ukraine declined from 60% last May to 48% in January.

00:49:08.000 And that is with ubiquitous, universal media support.

00:49:12.000 With people that work for the military-industrial complex appearing on mainstream media as unbiased pundits.

00:49:18.000 Even then, naturally, people start to think a war is unnecessary and costly.

00:49:23.000 A majority oppose sending troops, some of whom are already there as inspectors.

00:49:27.000 Oh my God!

00:49:28.000 This inspection is terrifying!

00:49:30.000 Inspection is a dirty business, son.

00:49:32.000 No one truly wins an inspection.

00:49:34.000 Oh, man, this inspection is killing me!

00:49:37.000 Ah!

00:49:38.000 Inspectors!

00:49:40.000 The new Cold War will further feed the militarism that has pervaded our political culture with increased government surveillance and weapons of war for local police departments.

00:49:47.000 Almost as if the real enemy is you.

00:49:49.000 Charges that war skeptics are disloyal have begun to permeate the mainstream media.

00:49:53.000 A whiff of McCarthyism is in the air.

00:49:56.000 The main opposition to Biden's Ukraine policy is the radical right, and will disappear if the GOP wins in 2024.

00:50:02.000 Left Democrats talk wistfully of diplomacy.

00:50:05.000 It would be nice if there was some diplomacy, but it's just not possible.

00:50:09.000 But since Biden is currently their only prospect for 2024, Democrats who disagree with him have to shut up.

00:50:14.000 Or what they could do is support a genuine candidate if they are interested in change.

00:50:20.000 I don't believe that this system can deliver real change.

00:50:23.000 I don't believe that a candidate like RFK will be allowed to flourish by the political system, by the eternal mechanics of the Democratic Party.

00:50:30.000 We saw a much less radical version of this in Bernie Sanders, a former independent that ran for a while and then was crushed by the Democratic Party.

00:50:37.000 I don't believe the mainstream media We'll give air time to these ideas.

00:50:40.000 But I believe that we, the actual people, can support this kind of language, this kind of ideology, and this kind of change.

00:50:49.000 The one thing they don't want is change.

00:50:50.000 The one thing that's likely to bring about change is an informed populace.

00:50:54.000 If we inform one another, if we support radicals from across the political spectrum, then this institutionalized, concretized corruption will be blown apart.

00:51:02.000 That is the only war we should be interested in.

00:51:05.000 The war against corruption.

00:51:06.000 It shouldn't be about condemning individuals.

00:51:08.000 Forget it.

00:51:09.000 We should be about supporting important ideas like not having an Armageddon, supporting ordinary Americans, finding new alliances, ending the cultural war, ending the actual wars, finding new ways to move forward together before we destroy ourselves.

00:51:21.000 But that's just what I think.

00:51:22.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.

00:51:23.000 See you in a second!

00:51:24.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:51:26.000 Thank you so much. 1.00

00:51:27.000 No, he's the fucking loser! 1.00

00:51:30.000 Well, what do you think about that? 1.00

00:51:32.000 That's some information that you're going to have to contend with.

00:51:35.000 Could RFK be a necessary voice in the political landscape, coming as he does from the Democrat left?

00:51:41.000 Could he align with other independent voices?

00:51:44.000 Is this the challenge that Joe Biden needs?

00:51:46.000 Certainly what we require It's a solution-oriented conversation about politics at a time when we're left with little but despair.

00:51:53.000 That's why I'm excited to introduce our next guest, my friend Daniel Chandler, talking about his book Free and Equal, which is based on the philosophy of John Rawls.

00:52:03.000 Welcome Daniel, thanks for joining us here.

00:52:05.000 Thanks so much for having me.

00:52:06.000 Daniel, mate, one of the areas where I know that we have a lot in common and one of the areas that I think that we should focus in order to begin our conversation is the problem of money in politics.

00:52:17.000 In your book, you cover this subject and potential solutions both in the UK and in the US.

00:52:22.000 We talk continually on our show, Stay Free, about the influence of money, this sort of overwhelming influence through donations in American politics, through the lobbying system, Through people in Congress owning stocks and shares in companies that they're supposed to regulate as an economist and as an author.

00:52:39.000 What do you think the role of finance is in politics both in our country, the UK, we're English did you know, and in the United States of America?

00:52:46.000 Can you unpack some of that for us and indeed direct us towards some of the solutions that you lead towards in your book?

00:52:52.000 Yeah, so you know, I think money in politics is a huge problem, both in the UK and in the USA.

00:52:57.000 And I think tackling that is really the first place I would start.

00:53:00.000 Because, you know, reforming the political system is a precondition for almost anything else, you know, that my book Free and Equal is trying to set out, I guess, a much broader vision for how we could change our society, not just about reforming the political system, but also ideas for how we can You know, transform capitalism as we know it.

00:53:17.000 Create an economy that's not only more equal but more humane.

00:53:20.000 So there's like a whole big agenda that we need, I think, to sort of take on and think about.

00:53:26.000 But the starting place before you can do any of that is to get money out of politics.

00:53:30.000 I think, you know, in America the problem is at its most epic.

00:53:34.000 I think in the last election, something like $14 billion were spent across all the different campaigns, which was twice as much as the previous biggest spending election, which was the previous one and is like more than the total GDP of Rwanda.

00:53:48.000 I mean, it's a completely insane scale of money that's involved.

00:53:51.000 And I think the real problem is that inevitably because the numbers are so big, most of that money is coming from an incredibly rich and seriously unrepresentative donor class.

00:54:03.000 So I think in that 2020 election, More than just over $2 billion of that money.

00:54:09.000 So about one in six of every dollar that was spent across that election came from just 20 billionaires.

00:54:14.000 So 20 individuals controlling just such a huge proportion of the overall spending.

00:54:20.000 And that, you know, just distorts the political system in such an obvious way.

00:54:24.000 I think if the principle that underpins democracy is one of political equality, And if you allow the rich to have influence, you know, to buy influence over politics with their money, then that just goes against that principle in a really obvious way.

00:54:39.000 But I think, you know, what I sort of try to do in my book with all of these problems is to move as, you know, almost as quickly as I can towards solutions, because I think particularly in a moment when People are so angry and dissatisfied and rightly so with politics as we know it.

00:54:53.000 It's really important to harness that energy behind something constructive and I can see you want to... Do you want to come in or should I jump straight to my solution which I'm taking too long to get to?

00:55:03.000 No, it's an excellent answer.

00:55:05.000 The problem, of course, with money in politics is it bypasses that primary democratic principle that it is a representative system where all of us have a voice to some degree or another.

00:55:14.000 Because this book centres on the philosophy and ideas of John Rawls, would you explain, perhaps even using the sort of simple allegory that Rawls is somewhat famous for, what It is roles, it's philosophy about like, once you told me when we were chatting about how it's like, oh, if you didn't know what role you were going to have in a society, you would be cool with it.

00:55:37.000 That one.

00:55:38.000 Yes.

00:55:38.000 Great.

00:55:38.000 So let's, but remind me, let's come back to my idea for how to solve money in politics.

00:55:42.000 We're going to crescendo towards how to get money out of politics.

00:55:45.000 That's where we're going to head to, both in the UK and the US, Dan, by the way.

00:55:48.000 So Rawls is the really the towering figure of 20th century political philosophy.

00:55:52.000 That's I mean, maybe the place to start is that this is someone who's routinely compared to the greatest thinkers in the history of Western thought, like thinkers like Plato, Hobbes, Kant, John Stuart Mill.

00:56:02.000 He's kind of up there with that level.

00:56:05.000 And at the heart of his philosophy is I guess a strikingly simple idea that society should be fair, but obviously Rawls recognizes that different people have different ideas about what fairness means.

00:56:16.000 And he has this thought experiment to help us sort of think through that question.

00:56:22.000 And his idea is that if we want to know what a fair society would look like, we should imagine how we would choose to organize it if we didn't know which person we would be within that society.

00:56:31.000 So whether we would be rich or poor, gay or straight, Christian, Muslim, You know, whatever.

00:56:38.000 And that's, you know, I think an incredibly intuitive and compelling thought experiment.

00:56:44.000 I think it's obvious that if we were to think about society that way, we wouldn't organize it how it is today.

00:56:49.000 We wouldn't have a society where some people have to rely on food banks in order to feed themselves or where your class, race or gender continue to shape people's life chances in such a big way.

00:57:00.000 But what Rawls does with that thought experiment is Not just point to the problems with our society, but give us a way of thinking about what a better, fairer society would actually look like.

00:57:10.000 And in particular, he uses that thought experiment, he says that we would choose three principles that we could use to help us think through how to organize our society.

00:57:19.000 A principle of freedom, that there are certain fundamental personal and political freedoms that we need, and that the first priority of the state is to protect those freedoms.

00:57:28.000 Second, a principle of equality that's there to help us think through how much equality we should tolerate as a society.

00:57:36.000 And there's two parts to that.

00:57:37.000 One is basically a commitment to genuine equality of opportunity, which I think is not what we have today.

00:57:44.000 And then a principle called the difference principle which is the idea that we should organize our economy in a way that's as good as possible for the least well-off.

00:57:53.000 And then there's a final principle of sustainability and basically those three principles together I think what's exciting is that they give sort of each of us a kind of toolkit for thinking through for ourselves all of the kinds of problems that you know that you're discussing day after day on this program and that all of us are reading about in the news whether it's Culture wars or money in politics, but also how to think about the climate crisis or how we might achieve more equality.

00:58:19.000 It's also an invitation to put yourself in the perspective of other individuals and to recognise that there isn't something that definitively separates us from one another.

00:58:29.000 This to me seems like a very good faith idea even of itself.

00:58:34.000 I'm quite excited about Yeah, it's a very unifying kind of thing.

00:58:38.000 I think it helps.

00:58:38.000 It's a thing that can help each of us step out of our own sort of blinkered perspective and look at things from other people's point of view.

00:58:45.000 And I think that to me, what's so exciting about Rawls' philosophy is it, I think it offers a genuinely unifying political vision.

00:58:53.000 It's an alternative to the divisiveness of some identity politics.

00:58:57.000 And also, I think a way through, you know, through the culture wars.

00:59:01.000 It's a sort of genuinely unifying alternative to those ways of thinking about politics.

00:59:05.000 It's exciting to hear those ideas outlined because I feel that one of the things that comes up again and again on our show, Gareth, and let me know if you in the chat agree with us, is there's this loss of hope and optimism.

00:59:17.000 There's a lack of trust in our institutions, whether that's government or media, and I would say that this lack of trust is legitimate.

00:59:25.000 For a long time, beginning in the 90s, perhaps there was this idea of Apathy among voters, which, you know, the philosopher Mark Fisher offered us, was not really apathy, but a kind of deduction that we were not represented, that democracy didn't function precisely because, as you just outlined, it has been co-opted by corporatized interests.

00:59:45.000 Daniel, before I interrupted you, or at least invited you to give us a sort of a simple perspective on the philosophy of roles, about to talk us through how money could be taken out of politics.

00:59:56.000 Would you mind talking us through some of that now, mate?

00:59:57.000 Yes, definitely.

00:59:58.000 And I mean, I should say that's the the aim of the book is not just to take sort of set out rules as ideas, but to use them to bring together practical solutions to lots of problems, starting with money and politics.

01:00:09.000 So I think, you know, I think the solution, the ideal solution is pretty straightforward.

01:00:13.000 The starting point would be to limit private donations to a very low level, a level that would be affordable To everyone in society and then to replace private donations with what I call a democracy voucher system.

01:00:27.000 So the idea would be that every citizen would get an equal amount per year or per election cycle.

01:00:33.000 So that could be $50 or $100 and they could choose to give that money to the party of their choice.

01:00:40.000 And that would just in a stroke completely transform the incentives of our political system.

01:00:46.000 It would mean that politicians, rather than having to go cap in hand to, you know, a tiny group of super rich donors, would have to appeal to everyone equally.

01:00:55.000 And it's also something that Already exists in one place.

01:00:58.000 So in Seattle in 2017, for local elections, they adopted this system.

01:01:04.000 And so in Seattle citizens get $100 per election cycle.

01:01:07.000 And it's like it's worked incredibly well.

01:01:09.000 It's had all the had all the consequences that you would expect, like more people giving money to more people getting involved in politics, those people being from groups that are often underrepresented, More competitive elections, incumbents being more likely to lose.

01:01:23.000 It sort of generally reinvigorated the health of democracy in Seattle and I think we should extend that to a national level.

01:01:29.000 It excites me because one of the problems that we're facing in media spaces is that many of the old models are collapsing.

01:01:37.000 There has been so much centralisation of resources and power.

01:01:41.000 If all of the resources and the donations are coming from one class of person, it's

01:01:45.000 plain that they're doing that for a reason.

01:01:46.000 It's plain that the regulation and legislature that comes from organizations funded in that

01:01:51.000 manner are going to be a reflection of that funding.

01:01:53.000 So you're essentially saying no super PACs, no large donations, that'll be the end of

01:01:58.000 that.

01:01:59.000 So, and also would the campaigns become a little more modest, perhaps a little less

01:02:02.000 bombastic and perhaps also a little broader because they wouldn't be appealing to particular

01:02:08.000 silos whether that's an economic class or particular sides of the culture war.

01:02:13.000 Presumably, it might do something to dilute the escalating tensions that are sort of, obviously, even in physics, a result of polarization.

01:02:21.000 Polarization is what creates energy.

01:02:23.000 It's what creates tension.

01:02:25.000 So that's a lovely idea, and it has already been used.

01:02:29.000 If you're ready to move on, mate, so like my mate and everything, so I want to look after you, make sure you feel taken care of.

01:02:34.000 I love, we'll do this on locals, because I love that example of that place in Brazil, somewhere in Brazil, where they give the budget for the community and the people in the community vote for it.

01:02:43.000 Because one of the things we seem to be talking about, you know, on the platform of rolls, as espoused by you and extemporized on by you, of course, I'm not giving rolls all the credit, Screw that guy!

01:02:53.000 Like, we're talking a lot about decentralisation, localisation and empowerment for existing systems.

01:02:58.000 Sometimes I think, you know, when people are saying, oh, there are no ideas.

01:03:00.000 Of course the ideas, the institutions and the potential are already among us, but these ideas are foreclosed, continually censored against, smeared, so of course they don't become popularised and emerge.

01:03:10.000 Me, Daniel and Gareth, and I'm going to expect you to participate, young man, are going to continue our conversation exclusively on Locals.

01:03:18.000 Join the conversation over there with Illuminated Soul now and Zashex3133, where people sometimes, by the way, they start talking about other stuff.

01:03:24.000 We're going to talk about political lobbying.

01:03:26.000 We're going to talk about the $263 million that the pharmaceutical industry spent in 2021.

01:03:29.000 We're going to talk about money in politics and we're going to talk about solutions.

01:03:33.000 I know you're hungry for solutions.

01:03:34.000 I know you believe in change.

01:03:36.000 I know that's why you are here.

01:03:38.000 So if you're not a member of our Locals community yet, join us now as well as gaining access to the weekly guided meditations that I do there.

01:03:44.000 And of course, you can come and join us live at Community in mid-July.

01:03:47.000 Will you come?

01:03:48.000 Are you going to come to that?

01:03:49.000 Why don't you do a talk there?

01:03:50.000 Bring your book, do a talk.

01:03:51.000 I would love to.

01:03:51.000 Daniel will be there.

01:03:52.000 Let's do it.

01:03:52.000 Satish Kumar's gonna be there, Vandana Shiva, Eddie Stern, Callie Means, Wim Hof, and now Daniel Chandler with his fantastic book, Free and Equal.

01:04:01.000 Get your copy now, we'll post a link to that in the chat.

01:04:03.000 If you're not with us on Locals yet, join us there now.

01:04:07.000 Tomorrow we're looking at having an in-depth look at the Military-Industrial Complex and how much it costs every single American $1,000 each to the Military-Industrial Complex, Dan.

01:04:16.000 Not even to the military, to Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, all those guys.

01:04:20.000 So join us tomorrow to learn a little more

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