It's Labor Day, and Tucker and Gareth are here to talk about drones spying on you on your day off. Plus, the return of Michael Schellenberger, the man who lives for free speech and who only appears on 'free speech' platforms. And, of course, there's still time to get your Labour Day present before the big day! To find a list of our sponsors and show-related promo codes, go to gimlet.fm/sponsors and use the promo code: "ELISSA" to receive 10% off your entire purchase when you enter the discount code: MKD10 at checkout. Just pay the 2.95 postage and we'll send you a free pair of pants! We'll see you in London next Monday, 12th September. We're doing a handful of live shows in the UK in September, so make sure to check them out! Cheers, Timestamps: 3:00 - Drones are spying on us! 4:30 - Is this a new monarchy? 5:15 - Is Orban Orban the new King George? 6:20 - Who's the new king? 7:00 - Is Tucker the real King now? 8:40 - What's going on in the world? 9:00- Is Tucker up to something? 11:30- What's up with Orban? 12:15- Who's getting the pants? 15:00? 16:20- Is it a new government? 17:00:00 | Who's going to be the next King? 18:15 | Is Tucker? 19:20 | What's the problem? 21:00 // 22:30 | Are you a royal? 26:30 27:40 | What s going on with the pants I'm wearing them? 29:15 32:20 35:00 + 32:00 / 33:00 Is Tucker s pants for Pheromone? 36:00 & 37:00 Can I have a pair of trousers for my pants for my next job? 37:30 + 38:00 ? 39:00 Orban's pants for me? 40:00 Do you want to become a pure pure pheromones? 41:00 What s the problem with pants for your pants for this? 45:00
00:01:07.000Ah, what would he make, God rest his soul, of the conditions that we now live within.
00:01:12.000Surveilled from every angle, even your Labour Day celebrations, surveilled by drones from the sky.
00:01:18.000If you're watching us on YouTube and you're one of our 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, a glorious army that we have built together, then for the first 15 minutes, we're going to be here with you talking about Tuckers Chat with the Hungarian leader.
00:01:37.000Of course with me after our one week off break is Gareth Roy, on-screen assistant in Presario, partner in Football Is Nice and expert on World News.
00:01:47.000We'll be inviting Michael Schellenberger onto the show, but this is a man who breathes, lives and bleeds free speech to the degree that he will only appear on free speech platforms.
00:01:58.000Did you know that about the man we call Shelley Schellenberger?
00:03:55.000These just naturally occur, that's pure pheromone.
00:03:58.000I've worn these pants and that's pure pheromone.
00:04:00.000No, these are branded pants for Awakened Wanderers.
00:04:02.000I'll tell you how you can get your pair soon.
00:04:04.000But let's have a look at these drones that are ruining your Labour Day before we talk about Tucker, before we get on Schellenberger, and before what's our video today?
00:04:12.000Talking about our victor, Orban and Tucker and this war and them carrying it on for all sorts of outrageous reasons, not the humanitarian ones that they claim.
00:04:19.000Let's have a look at the mainstream media report on Labor Day and how it's okay to spy on people while they just try to have a barbecue.
00:04:26.000People will also be attending outdoor parties and big parades over this last weekend of the summer season.
00:04:31.000And the NYPD will be watching out for trouble in a whole new way using surveillance drones meant... Watching out for trouble in a whole new way.
00:04:39.000Do you remember when it used to be like the weather and it was the eye in the sky?
00:06:13.000Like you're up there, you've had a Moderna booster, you've got an ear on your back, you're fluttering down, you're using the ear as a parachute, you're a luminous so you can be seen even though the evenings are really drawing in.
00:06:22.000Have you noticed the evenings are drawing in?
00:07:49.000We were in our garden, because I think it's where I'm famous, off of Sarah Marshall, or, you know, Big Brother, or Minions, and a drone went by, like that, just trying to eye up my household.
00:08:00.000I encourage children... I beg your pardon?
00:08:02.000It tried to get its eye up my household!
00:08:05.000And then, so, the kids and I, we hose-piped it.
00:09:44.000Well that's the only part I'll accept.
00:09:46.000Fair enough, like a saucy drone, like a sort of, with a nice moustache.
00:09:51.000An attractive drone drams its way down at you.
00:09:54.000That's absolutely outrageous, it's an invasion and an intrusion, and also I reject the idea, like say when sniffer dogs at an airport come and sniff you, I maintain, I am a human, it is a dog.
00:10:06.000I respect you, I love you, but you will not make me your master.
00:10:10.000You know, whether or not I'm carrying contraband substances, right?
00:10:14.000So a drone, they're trying to familiarise us with drones while simultaneously getting us to accept a subjugate or a subordinate position to a drone.
00:10:29.000I mean, we literally, we saw what happened in China.
00:10:31.000That was one of the big stories of the pandemic, wasn't it?
00:10:34.000I remember when we saw that, and we'll get a look at it in a minute.
00:10:36.000Like, yeah, if I'm listening to Billy Ray Cyrus on my Labor Day barbecue, which I believe is what you'll be doing as an American, I want to enjoy Billy Ray, not think that when I start doing my line dancing and make some attempt to mend my achy, breaky heart, a sky drone spying on me with its lug holes.
00:10:55.000Those officers are also able to play a live or pre-recorded message and ask for compliance with, let's say, turning down the music before cops arrive.
00:11:06.000Like, once I was floating above your house listening to you, that's no, you're no longer involved in a discourse or a consensual democracy, you're involved in a centralised authoritarian dystopia that's being sold to you under the auspices of enhanced liberalism and, as always, safety and convenience.
00:12:33.000Now the NYPD says this tactic was used in June during the city's pride parade where hundreds of people gathered inside Washington Square Park.
00:12:41.000They say within 10 minutes the park was cleared without having to send out additional officers into the crowd.
00:12:47.000I would say if you are an enforcement officer, watch out because they're coming for your jobs these days.
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00:13:36.000Now, we asked you earlier about drones.
00:13:38.000They're using drones, as you know, NYPD, to survey your Labour Day party.
00:13:42.000How would you react if you saw a drone at your party?
00:14:15.000Is there any more of that news or are we going to look at, uh, yeah, let's have a look at the end of this news thing and see what they say.
00:14:19.000And that goal is the, or rather the goal is that the method will be just as successful.
00:14:24.000New York City, we're going to lead the way of what a safe West Indian Day or Labor Day weekend is going to be.
00:14:31.000We are confident that the work of the police commissioner... They say West India Day and Labor Day.
00:14:36.000That doesn't seem like the spirit of people coming together or West India Day, that you're being surveilled by drones from the sky.
00:14:43.000Freedom means that we are entrusted with our own liberty and the liberty of one another.
00:14:48.000Government by consensus, not government by dominion.
00:14:51.000But we are increasingly moving away from that to the kind of dystopic states that we thought we would never emulate.
00:14:57.000You remember, even on the mainstream news, do you remember this?
00:14:59.000Let me know in the chat if you remember.
00:15:01.000When the pandemic broke, curiously near Wuhan where they have that lab, Like, they said, oh, good luck trying to impose this stuff on Americans or British people.
00:15:19.000Well, look, just to remind you, you know, you might think when you're glancing up at Labor Day parade or from your gay parade or from your barbecue or wherever, I recognize these drones from somewhere.
00:15:28.000Well, here's where you recognize those drones from.
00:15:53.000It's a mark of how quickly things are normalised, isn't it?
00:15:57.000I remember when that came out at the time, and I remember we were making videos at that time, and this looked so dystopian.
00:16:02.000I can't actually believe this is happening.
00:16:04.000Now, it's been so normalised that it's just turning up on Labour Day, and no-one really thinks anything about it.
00:16:09.000We've been inoculated against dystopia, and watch out for the metaphorical undercurrents there.
00:16:15.000Now, these deep state agencies, of course, are necessary if you're going to inculcate those kind of dystopian measures, and many of the more radical guests we've had on the show, I think Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK, both said that in the event that they become the president of your great nation, they will disband the FBI.
00:16:33.000I think they both said that, didn't they?
00:16:35.000I'm not misquoting these fine men. Well, here's another reason to contemplate what would seem
00:16:40.000like such a significant measure. The FBI are compiling vast American DNA databases and
00:16:46.000some of that is contained in those awakened wonder underpants I've just shown you, but
00:16:50.000the rest of it's in labs, which I hope they're keeping clean and I hope they're keeping the
00:16:53.000vents on. Tell me a little bit more about this, mate.
00:16:56.000Well, the comparisons that we had to China before, this is at a pace that rivals China.
00:17:00.000So, again, we're always fear-mongered about how China are doing things that are so dystopian.
00:17:05.000The FBI is doing something at the same rate as China are doing at the moment.
00:17:10.0007% of the US population, the FBI now has amassed DNA profiles for, and it's now doubling its budget to, obviously, they want to, you know, at least double the amount of DNA profiles that they've got.
00:17:21.000Why do they say they want the DNA of Americans?
00:18:48.000So this face tracking pattern that Microsoft are developing now is basically a cheaper way of reading people's facial expressions.
00:18:55.000So it will be used primarily for commercial use.
00:18:59.000So when people buy something or when people are looking at things on the internet, you'll be able to track what their live reaction is to something.
00:19:27.000Miles Driver says, in the locals chat, why don't you press the red button on your screen now and join Miles over there in the chat.
00:19:32.000He says, when your only tool is anti-terrorism, we all become terrorists.
00:19:37.000Let Miles know if you agree with that sentiment in the chat.
00:19:41.000Now, we could talk about two things now.
00:19:42.000We could talk about Burning Man, which began as a very innovative, Brilliant festival that looked at radical anti-establishment ideas but has now become some sort of crazy torrent where people have to flee it like a disaster zone.
00:19:56.000Or we could talk about Rachel Maddow's reaction to Trump.
00:20:00.000Which one do you guys, let us know in the locals chat.
00:20:03.000Just put either Trump or Burning Man, or if you want, if you're sort of very anti-Trump, you could combine them and have Trump sort of burned, which I would say is a needless wish.
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00:20:38.000Trump, it's going to be Trump. Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow's reaction on MSNBC, or it's
00:20:43.000not even a reaction, her idea about the risks of Donald Trump.
00:20:47.000I think we can show this on YouTube, can't we?
00:20:51.000Because remember, YouTube, you 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, you're going to have to join us in a minute over on the other place, Rumble, because Michael Schellenberger, the great journalist and free speech advocate, he is so committed to it, he bleeds, and for as far as I know, ejaculates free speech.
00:21:05.000He will Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow.
00:21:08.000I think overreacting to the possibility of Trump being elected.
00:21:11.000You lot tell us what you feel in the chat.
00:21:59.000Will we keep having more elections or no?
00:22:03.000If every election is a new opportunity for him to go to prison, do you think he allows us to have new elections?
00:22:07.000I mean, if those are the stakes, if winning the election is his plan to stay out of prison, what happens in that election if and when he does not win it?
00:22:18.000I don't think that's very fair because I think what we need now, as you said earlier, because we're looking at this story in some depth over the course of the week and I also think we should do those surveillance stories because they look fascinating.
00:22:27.000Let us know in the chat if you think we should look at some of this surveillance stuff in more detail.
00:22:31.000If you want a rational and healing conversation in America, about America, you can't use propagandist and hysterical discourse saying things like that if Trump wins he's going to declare himself president for life.
00:22:45.000And also, as Gareth pointed out earlier, the indictment from Georgia is a state matter, not a federal matter, and those charges would still be relevant even in the event he was President, unless you think he's going to wave some wand and change all laws, and anybody could do that.
00:22:59.000And perhaps even more important than any of that, we currently have a Democrat in the White House, and he's doing, in my view, an appalling job, not delivering on many of the pledges and promises he offered during his campaign time, whether it's controlling Big Pharma, which has become a mealy-mouthed, watered-down, diluted, half Absolutely.
00:23:14.000And this again suggests that Democrats have never denied election results, have never concocted things like Russiagate.
00:23:50.000We recognize that some of you will believe different things than us, and we hope that we can achieve a consensus.
00:23:56.000That's why the local chat is so important to us, because we can reach consensus together.
00:24:00.000We can transcend these divisive left-right narratives, these ossified and oppositionist perspectives.
00:24:07.000Whereas MSNBC and even Fox, what they want is to corral groups together and inflate and create incendiary, conflict-driven, oppositionist narratives.
00:24:21.000A lot of you are talking about the stuff about vaccines that's, I think, still up on YouTube and in any sensible world would rightly have adjudicated as misinformation at this point.
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00:28:23.000Michael Schellenberg, a founder of Public on Substack, environmentalist, producer of a new documentary, Thrown to the Wind, which I'm going to be challenging him about, because he says that those sort of propellers that you see... Wind farms.
00:28:39.000Those propellers that you see next to an oil rig are actually killing Free Willy, Moby Dick, Flipper, and all of your best sub-aquatic pals in spite of claiming they're environmental lovers.
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00:30:30.000Well, this is a big issue on the East Coast.
00:30:33.000You know, for years they had been saying that this increase of whale deaths, which has been going on since 2017, had nothing to do with the fact that they were adding all this new boat traffic to find places to install large wind turbines.
00:30:48.000But we have a new documentary out that really debunks that and shows that the big increase in whale deaths has been coming from increased boat traffic in areas where there had not been boat traffic, mostly from the wind industry, and also that they are engaged in sonar mapping of the ocean floor at really high decibels that we know separates mothers from their calves, sends whales into poorer feeding grounds, and we think is one of the big drivers of the deaths of these whales, of which there's only 340 individuals left.
00:31:23.000This is the North Atlantic right whale.
00:31:25.000So we think our documentary is going to have a big impact on effectively having to stop these activities because there's just the Endangered Species Act is too strong and we think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that this is what's been driving the killings.
00:31:39.000So essentially you're saying that this environmental ESG wind farm at sea movement is doing considerable damage, is therefore hypocritical and inaccurate and people are just told a story that draws a veil over the inconvenient aspects of that story, is that right?
00:32:01.000Yeah, I mean the problem is that you just requires putting huge amounts of industrial activity in what is a pretty pristine environment.
00:32:10.000I mean there is boat traffic and the lobster fishing has also had a big impact on the whales, but what you see in the mapping that was done showing the increase in whale deaths is that it's boat traffic and parts of the East Coast where there hadn't been boat traffic before.
00:32:28.000And that's often the places where the whales have been hiding to basically protect themselves and to feed to get away from the boat traffic.
00:32:36.000So yeah, I mean, I think that really it's been a big life about, you know, wind industry.
00:32:41.000We kind of think of the quaint windmills of the 16th century, but these are really big machines that have a really big impact in putting them in natural environments.
00:32:52.000We've seen these big impacts on bird species as well around the world. Beyond the
00:32:57.000environmental issues and the deleterious impact that these windmills or turbines or whatever are
00:33:05.000having on animals, are you opposed to them more broadly and are framing the story in this way
00:33:10.000because you know it's a difficult way for conventional environmentalists to defend it? I mean this is,
00:33:17.000I mean for me whales are very special.
00:33:20.000I think for a lot of us, these are spiritual animals.
00:33:25.000There's something about them that we can talk about their music, about the way they care for the young, the way they communicate with each other.
00:33:32.000They're obviously really special mammals, and we have an affection for them.
00:33:38.000Anybody that's seen these whales in the natural environment, it's a very special thing, and you don't want to see any of them die.
00:33:44.000And for the most part, whales have been in recovery, except for this one species, which has been absolutely hammered in recent years, going from over 400 individuals to around 300.
00:33:56.000So, for me, protecting charismatic megafauna like this is, like, one of the most important things you can do as a conservationist.
00:34:04.000And so, yeah, I mean, I don't—I'm not spending a lot of my time trying to campaign against wind turbines in places like Iowa.
00:34:11.000We do see—or in Indiana, there's people that are battling them there.
00:34:15.000I think most of us don't want them near our homes.
00:34:17.000Only 17 percent of the public says that they would Be comfortable living near these machines, which are very loud.
00:34:23.000But I think when you start to talk about the extinction of an entire whale species, I think you're dealing with something very different.
00:34:30.000It starts to raise questions about, are we over-focused on climate change?
00:34:37.000It's important, I think, but it's not the only environmental issue in the world.
00:34:40.000And I think when you start losing whales or killing whales, you've really lost the plot in terms of what it means to protect the environment.
00:34:47.000I suppose it's the kind of odd paradoxes and peculiar amalgams that we've seen elsewhere, that freedom requires censorship, that liberty requires surveillance.
00:35:00.000We're seeing more oxymorons naturally emerging.
00:35:05.000And I take that to be almost one of the sort of subtler, almost archetypal aspects of this dystopia we're being marched towards.
00:35:15.000I'm going to take that phrase, charismatic megafauna, and call it, that's the name of my next tour, for God's sake.
00:35:22.000Mate, can you tell me a little bit about how you feel about, we showed a little clip earlier of Rachel Maddow commenting on Trump and saying that if Trump wins the next election he'll make himself president for life.
00:35:34.000I wonder if you believe that the mainstream media and in particular a sort of an obviously liberal or centre-left, however you want to term it, platform like MSNBC, do you think they are aware that that's hyperbolic Hysterical, propagandist and unlikely.
00:35:50.000Do you think they genuinely believe that's a real threat or do you think they just enjoy framing the narrative in ways that are incendiary?
00:35:58.000Do you think that they know that people that are not predisposed to their perspective will see that as ludicrous and don't care?
00:36:07.000How do you think we've found ourselves in such curiously distinct media spaces and maybe use that story as a jump-off point?
00:36:16.000Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really interesting question of how much they believe it.
00:36:19.000I mean, I think if you saw Bill Maher and Joe Rogan last week, he really believes that Trump is a genuinely greater threat than Joe Biden.
00:36:28.000You know, does he think that they're going to declare themselves dictators?
00:36:31.000I mean, half the time, I just think people don't even care.
00:36:35.000They like the excitement of speculating that they're fighting against this kind of demonic force.
00:36:40.000You know, I think the one thing that always helps me, and I think it's good to remind people, is, you know, Nietzsche's famous aphorism, beware that when you fight with monsters that you don't become one.
00:36:53.000I mean, here we are, the president is basically trying to incarcerate his main political rival at the same time that they're actively breaking the law To cover up his own son's crimes, by which I mean they've appointed somebody from within the Justice Department to lead the special investigation.
00:37:14.000You're supposed to choose a special prosecutor from outside, not just outside the Justice Department, but outside the government.
00:37:21.000So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think every day we all wake up going, what's going on here?
00:37:25.000It's feeling positively third world around here.
00:37:28.000Banana Republic, I don't think, is an exaggeration anymore.
00:37:31.000And it's very scary because I do think you see from the right a lot of people, including Trump, calling for revenge and going after their opponents.
00:37:40.000And then you're going to end up in a kind of classic cycle of retribution.
00:37:46.000And I feel like this is a moment that's crying out for People to say, hey, we need to turn the other cheek and be careful when you fight with monsters that you don't become one, because I think that's where really, honestly, both sides are headed right now.
00:37:59.000I've heard it posited that, in retrospect, we may not regard Trump and Brexit as anomalies, but as the inauguration of a new type of populism.
00:38:11.000And particularly when you consider that they, aside from the particular political flavour, were hot on the heels of Syriza's victory in Greece and Podemos, the rise of Podemos in Spain and Beppe Grillo and the Five Star Movement, which sounds like a band, in Italy.
00:38:29.000That what we're in the middle of now, and particularly if you sort of perhaps align this with the emergence of figures like Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F. Kennedy, that we're witnessing the kind of demise of the career politician.
00:38:44.000I wonder what you think when you hear that sort of like a very perfectly plausible politician like Ron DeSantis appears to be suffering in the polls precisely because he is too vanilla political and he's And losing ground to figures like Ramaswamy and obviously Trump.
00:39:00.000Do you feel that the new media landscapes demand a type of authenticity and complexity that cannot be contained by the old authoritarian centralised models and that they are struggling to corral narratives in the way that they previously could when there weren't the opportunity for the type of critiques that are possible and maybe even taking place right now certainly on public on your sub stack and I hope on our channel.
00:39:24.000Or do you think it's changing the political landscape irrevocably?
00:39:28.000And I thought that the Republican presidential debate was so interesting because, of course, Ron DeSantis is the one who is supposed to be the prepared candidate.
00:39:54.000He knew where he stood on this, and DeSantis kind of looked to his left, and they looked to his right, and then he raised his hand.
00:40:01.000I mean, that's not exactly profiles and courage, and it's not exactly authenticity.
00:40:07.000So I do think people are looking for something authentic.
00:40:10.000I think that, you know, there's an old cliche, but I think it's really true, which is that We care more about having leaders that really know what they stand for, rather than having leaders that necessarily agree with us on all the specific issues.
00:40:23.000And so I think that's why you've seen Vivek, you know, really surging.
00:40:29.000I think he's representing that authenticity.
00:40:31.000I think we saw with the Oliver Anthony song that became this kind of sleeper summer ballad that just took off, and it really resonated with everybody.
00:40:39.000Even now the liberal media, the New York Times, is having to acknowledge that it touched a genuine chord.
00:41:20.000I mean, everywhere you look, it's like they can't seem to help themselves.
00:41:24.000It's like the elites are run wild with this desire to gain some sort of control over a population that clearly is sick of it and doesn't want to be controlled anymore.
00:41:33.000Clearly, as their drone story illustrates, the model that they are moving towards is a technologically advanced form of dictatorship that wears liberalism as its aesthetic.
00:41:46.000Another component of their strategy is not reporting on threatening candidates like RFK.
00:41:54.000Now, I remember when we did our free speech event, Where you looked most handsome.
00:41:59.000You mentioned that there are areas where you and RFK don't align, which would be entirely necessary, plausible, possible and encouraging in a true democracy.
00:42:08.000What do you think about the mainstream not reporting on his positive polling, even with them voters, Michael?
00:42:16.000Yeah, I mean, I think that's, I mean, this is also part of the vicious cycle that I think that the establishment finds itself in, and they don't know how to get out, which is that the more out of control they feel, the more control they try to impose, and then the more of a populist backlash They inspire.
00:42:34.000And then similarly, the more threatened they feel by outsider candidates like RFK, the less they'll cover him.
00:42:41.000But then that undermines their credibility because, you know, for example, I just actually a few weeks ago when I was on my vacation on the East Coast, I was having this argument with somebody that's in the entertainment media telling me I should not cover RFK.
00:42:56.000And there was another reporter there who was like, that's just absurd.
00:43:00.000You can argue about how to cover it, but you have to cover these events.
00:43:05.000So I think that the public sense in which they're not being given the right information, they're not being given the whole picture, just further undermines the credibility of what we call the mainstream media and further strengthens the insurgents like yourself and substackers like myself To kind of offer this alternative vision.
00:43:24.000So in some ways I think it's a great, you know, it's a terrible time for democracy and free speech.
00:43:28.000It's a great time for journalism and alternative media.
00:43:31.000Do you think there's an obligation for us to move into either conventional electoral politics or look at new models of perhaps community or protest?
00:43:43.000Do you think it's inevitable and necessary?
00:43:47.000I mean, you know, the best part of losing all your friends is making new ones.
00:43:50.000And so for me, traveling around and meeting people that have been canceled, you know, the cancellation of artists and musicians continues, as you may have seen over the last few weeks.
00:44:01.000I think that's, those are all the most interesting people in the world.
00:44:04.000Anybody who has been, you know, publicly vilified and canceled, it builds character.
00:44:10.000And so I think for me, that's a wonderful source of community and that's our movement.
00:44:15.000And then in terms of politics, I hope so.
00:44:17.000I mean, we need more outsiders to run, people who feel like it would be good for the democracy and for freedom to just be out there articulating authentic ideas, what they believe.
00:44:29.000You know, honestly, whether or not they run, and I don't agree with Vivek about everything, but it sure is nice to see him out there saying things that people were unwilling or fearful to say, even people like Ron DeSantis, and to see Vivek saying them at least allows us to have the conversation.
00:45:23.000Hi Michael, when we were talking about climate change it reminded me of an article you wrote about the Hawaii fires and I just had a question about that because what you wrote about was the immediate response of the mainstream media that it was down to climate change whereas actually some of the investigation in the article uncovered that Hawaiian Electric failed to clear flammable grasses from around the electric wires so this could be an infrastructure problem down to a kind of lack of funding and therefore The blame lying at kind of the heart of government rather than, you know, us all due to our negligence around climate.
00:45:59.000I just wondered what your thoughts were around some of the kind of conspiracies when it gets to elitist land grabs and things like that.
00:46:05.000Interestingly, Hawaiian Electric is the major shareholders of Blackrock and the Vandergaard Group.
00:46:10.000So I wondered what you thought about that and how people arrived at those as are being dubbed conspiracy theories.
00:46:17.000Yeah, well so first just on the main point, one thing we have to make sure people understand is that fires can be a healthy part of natural landscapes, so I oppose this thing of using fires to say every time there's a fire it's bad.
00:46:31.000But definitely in the case of Maui, Hawaii, California, and Greece, You had preventable catastrophic fires occurring that could have been prevented had they cleared the areas around the electrical wires or stabilized the electrical poles in Maui, which we think fell and contributed to the fires.
00:46:51.000Better fire preparedness, evacuation plans.
00:46:55.000In terms of the conspiracy theories, I mean, definitely we know there was arson in Greece.
00:47:00.000I mean, they announced they arrested over, I think it was 140 people in total.
00:47:05.000You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain the incompetence that would go into not having good fire preparedness.
00:47:12.000In other words, they didn't have good evacuation procedures in Lahaina and Maui, which I don't think would have been part of some conspiracy.
00:47:21.000I don't think there was some conspiracy to kill people, for example.
00:47:24.000And incompetence really does explain quite a bit, and much of that incompetence was driven by ideology, this idea that really we just heavy focus on Unboxing Chinese solar panels and making little solar panel projects all around Hawaii rather than doing this really boring work of clearing the area around the electrical wires and preparing people for catastrophe.
00:47:46.000But I do think, you know, it's worth investigating.
00:47:48.000I do think you need to have an investigation.
00:47:50.000I mean, one of the things I think triggered conspiracy theories was that they had passed emergency rules in Hawaii To allow for more housing development because they had been, you know, red tape had stymied them.
00:48:04.000There certainly were financial interests that are served every time you have one of these disasters.
00:48:08.000But I think that's why you need investigations.
00:48:11.000That's why I, for example, have been calling for a big investigation of COVID origins.
00:48:15.000But I think in a lot of these cases, you need 9-11 type commissions.
00:48:19.000To restore the public's confidence in government, because I think that really what is driving the conspiracy theories, accurately or inaccurately, is that nobody trusts the government.
00:48:29.000Nobody trusts these guys, these politicians, and their relationships with really suspicious international groups like WEF or BlackRock and others who clearly have been pursuing a pretty anti-human, pro-scarcity agenda.
00:48:43.000Michael Schellenberger, there will never be a day where I have anything but trust, except for love and certain erotic feelings that I may not communicate for you.
00:49:14.000There's not one of them there who you shouldn't right now flock to the red button to speak to.
00:49:19.000Sam Harris, for example, I'm speaking to directly after this show, and I have to prepare for.
00:49:23.000If you join our AwakendWonder community, as well as some stinking and wretched underpants, you get to join our team, editorial meetings, post-show shows, you get to do meditations, There's all sorts of incredible things, and you can go to Gareth's private barbecues, which... Oh.
00:51:03.000Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Tucker that any suggestion Ukraine could win the war against Russia is a lie, and that Donald Trump is the West's only hope.
00:51:17.000The war between Russia and Ukraine shows no sign of ending and indeed is escalating, funded yet still by American taxpayer dollars.
00:51:27.000Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prime Minister, had a conversation with Tucker in which he said that Joe Biden's approach and prognosis are deceptive, dishonest and just plain wrong.
00:51:38.000That there's no situation in which Ukraine can ever defeat Russia.
00:51:43.000Now, Viktor Orban is a controversial figure.
00:51:45.000Many people say he's, like, right-wing and that he's a dictator and all sorts of negative stuff.
00:51:50.000And I wonder if we're at a point where we have to learn to separate and distinguish between people's cultural analysis of different political figures and the truth about war, particularly a conflict like this one between Russia and Ukraine, which has almost limitless potential to escalate and could literally involve everybody in the world eventually.
00:52:10.000So let's have a look at that conversation between Tucker and Victor Orban and note these points.
00:52:14.000He says the only way to end this conflict is by electing Donald Trump.
00:52:17.000That's extraordinary when you've got people on the left saying that if Trump ever gets elected he'll be president for life, he'll never rescind the office, it's the worst thing that could ever happen to America.
00:52:26.000And note as well that he says that this is ultimately an unwinnable war.
00:52:58.000Hundreds and thousands, you know, so my heart is with them.
00:53:01.000An early question to ask yourself is do you think that propaganda is a one-way street?
00:53:07.000Or do you imagine that all sides use propaganda to convey the favourable perspective?
00:53:13.000To bolster a narrative that is favourable to their agenda?
00:53:17.000The establishment propaganda currently is Ukraine are winning this war.
00:53:22.000Ultimately, Ukraine will be triumphant.
00:53:24.000But I feel that those of us that have been alive a little while and been watching the news for a while and have maybe taken a glance at history are aware that Russia are a formidable foe and a nuclear superpower at that.
00:53:35.000The idea that Russia can be defeated, that there's ever going to be a sort of a white flag moment from Putin is ridiculous.
00:53:40.000So whatever your perspective is on Viktor Orban, whatever your perspective is on Tucker, whatever your perspective is on Donald Trump, almost you have to look at this conflict in isolation and assess it.
00:53:51.000Who benefits from this escalating war?
00:53:54.000Who benefits from us being told, oh Ukraine will win?
00:53:56.000And one way of diagnosing this beyond their own personal prejudices and biases is to look at what we were told at the beginning of this conflict and what we are being told now.
00:54:16.000But they will run out earlier from the soldiers, number of soldiers, than the Russians.
00:54:21.000What finally will count is boots on the ground.
00:54:27.000It's almost a historical cliché to cite that in the Napoleonic Wars, France were unable to ultimately conquer Russia because there were too many Russians.
00:54:41.000And in the Second World War, Hitler's armies were unable to conquer Russia because, in the end, Stalin would just limitlessly use human resources to prevent Russia being overwhelmed.
00:54:52.000Is there a vision for what a Ukrainian victory looks like here?
00:54:56.000Is there a vision for, alright, and then there's the bit where Putin goes, bloody hell, enough's enough, okay, I surrender.
00:55:00.000There's a clear disjunct between what we're being told and the reality.
00:55:04.000So whatever propaganda is true from the, sort of, Russia today, Russian perspective, Clearly there's propaganda on behalf of the Biden administration as well.
00:55:13.000Let's have a look at this in more detail.
00:55:15.000According to the Washington Post, Viktor Orban is Vladimir Putin's closest ally in the EU.
00:55:20.000He has refused to allow the transfer of Western weapons across Hungary's shared border with Ukraine and called for an immediate ceasefire and peace talks in the conflict, but without providing a vision of what that would mean for Ukraine's territorial integrity.
00:55:32.000Ukraine's territorial integrity is obviously important but is now subject to complex diplomatic negotiations.
00:55:39.000And Viktor Orban, having already been smeared as a fascist and as a right-wing person and all the various things that you're probably aware of, I think has to be looked at separately from whether or not peace is the desired outcome and whether militarism is going to bring out a favourable solution for anyone It's interesting to bring to the forefront the question of what post-war Ukraine looks like because we know that Zelensky's vision is deals with Black Rock, carve up Ukraine, make it a place that's impossible to unionize, where workers have minimal rights and financial interests of the West are able to exploit
00:56:14.000The newly liberated or at least newly colonized Ukrainian territory.
00:56:27.000So the vision they're presenting is a globalist, corporatist post-war Ukraine.
00:56:33.000Now, I don't think that the vision for how Ukraine is organised is any of my business, and I'm sure a lot of you share that opinion, in which case, why are American taxpayers paying for this conflict that appears to be leading to a vision that's globalist and corporatist, you could say, certainly on the basis of the Black Rock deal, and the basis of Ukrainian workers aren't going to have the right to unionise.
00:56:51.000It doesn't seem very pro-Ukrainian to me.
00:56:52.000Let me know what you think in the comments.
00:56:54.000Fresh from a trip to Kiev, Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal is arguing that the US is getting its money's worth in Ukraine because Russia is taking losses and no Americans are dying, showing a lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.
00:57:06.000How many of you thought that when this conflict began, what we're ultimately seeing is the evolution of the American war model?
00:57:12.000Where supporting foreign territories in their conflict against American enemies is preferable to wars where American troops are going to be involved and ultimately killed.
00:57:23.000Even Americans who have no particular interest in freedom and independence in democracies worldwide should be satisfied that we're getting our money's worth on our Ukraine investment, Blumenthal wrote in the Connecticut Post.
00:57:34.000That's a pretty cynical way of discussing a conflict which is leading to death and decimation in a country that really doesn't evolve America except for, I would argue, their economic and imperialist interests.
00:57:45.000For less than 3% of our nation's military budget, we've enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia's military strength by half, all without a single American servicewoman or man injured or lost, he added.
00:57:55.000I would say that that's a pretty cynical outlook and reveals plainly what the mentality is.
00:58:00.000We're fighting a proxy war using Ukrainian lives.
00:58:40.000So I suppose at least the agenda is becoming explicit.
00:58:43.000This is a proxy war where we avoid the unpopular event of American lives being lost.
00:58:50.000Post-Vietnam, it has been decreed that America should not get involved in foreign wars that are none of their business because American families don't like to see their loved ones returning in body bags.
00:59:02.000The Middle Eastern conflicts, notably Iraq, seemed like an attempt to reboot that foreign policy model, sending American troops to countries that, to some degree, are none of their business, and certainly wars that are not undertaken for the reasons that were offered at the war's inauguration.
00:59:18.000This, though, seems like a pretty refined model.
00:59:21.000No Americans are going to die, American taxpayers are going to pay for it, but Ukrainians are going to do the dying on your behalf, and American opponents are going to be weakened.
00:59:30.000It still, for me, seems like something that should be subject to democratic process.
00:59:33.000Whether or not you want to fund ongoing foreign wars is something I'd like a yes-no tick to.
00:59:39.000Despite the lack of success on the battlefield, the Biden administration and most members of Congress want to keep funding the war, which they acknowledge would not continue without US support.
00:59:47.000So it's a war that would stop if you stopped paying for it.
00:59:50.000As Zelensky is frank and forthcoming to say, Ukraine could not have survived without America and our allies, Blumenthal said.
00:59:57.000But his counteroffensive is far from an assured success.
01:00:00.000In the end, the only way he loses is if America pulls the plug.
01:00:03.000I don't think anyone's advocating for abandoning Ukraine to the horrors of war, but America could use their considerable might to advance the diplomatic process.
01:00:13.000Even Donald Trump in his most cavalier announcement said, I would say, negotiate now, come to a solution around the disputed ethnic territories, or we're going to arm Ukraine to the teeth ad infinitum.
01:00:26.000Even that suggests that there is a diplomatic outcome is favoured, that peace should be the prize that all sides are pulling towards.
01:00:34.000The Washington Post recently reported that U.S.
01:00:36.000intelligence has determined Ukraine's counteroffensive will fail to meet its main objective of severing Russia's land bridge to Crimea.
01:01:41.000Now let's go back to this horrific, terrible, unnecessary, dreadful, bloody war that can't be won because Russia are a serious country that will not stop.
01:01:51.000Maybe we could offer them some stickers.
01:02:02.000Just go to stickermule.com forward slash Russell and fill out the form.
01:02:07.000Now let's get back to this dreadful, unnecessary, unwinnable war.
01:02:11.000Are you noticing how common it has become to have significant government officials and figures, right up to the president in this case, say one thing publicly like, this counter-offensive is going to be a success, we're going to win this war against Russia.
01:02:22.000While probably saying, there's no way we can win this war against Russia.
01:02:25.000So that tells you that all this jingoism and positivism is propaganda.
01:02:30.000If they don't believe that this war can be won militarily, why not immediately move towards peace talks?
01:02:38.000Why not make that the conditions for ongoing support?
01:02:40.000What's clear is there is another agenda that's not being expressed because the leaks have revealed that.
01:02:45.000So that's an extraordinary number of lives.
01:02:46.000Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began
01:02:50.00018 months ago is nearly 500,000, US officials said. So that's an extraordinary
01:02:54.000number of lives. I can't even sort of really conceptualize that.
01:02:57.000I can't really take that into my heart.
01:03:03.000The only way I can tackle it is through the way that the media are handling it, the way that the narrative is being threaded and spun.
01:03:10.000I can't deal with the actual reality that what's being funded here is the deaths of 500,000 people, the ruination of 500,000 families' lives, the devastation of communities.
01:03:20.000So I'm not glib about what's happening to Ukrainian people.
01:03:25.000I can't even take on board the scale of that tragedy.
01:03:27.000Who among us, other than those of you that have got military experience, can?
01:03:31.000What I'm suggesting is that the role of the US government should be advocating for diplomacy and peace, using their military might to ensure that that is the favoured outcome, rather than it looks to me like exploiting the situation in order to weaken Russia and to generate profit for both the military-industrial complex and companies like BlackRock.
01:03:49.000Seems like that's the real agenda to me.
01:03:51.000Let me know in the comments if you agree.
01:03:52.000The White House recently asked Congress to approve a $40 billion bill that includes nearly a $24 billion for additional spending on the war in Ukraine.
01:04:00.000Congressionally approved aid for Ukraine has so far cost each American household hundreds of dollars.
01:04:05.000The formal aid packages alone amount to a staggering $113 billion, roughly $900 per American household.
01:04:12.000And there's the implication that it could be higher than that because it's concealed and mitigated and managed in ways that are difficult to discern.
01:04:18.000So, if what they're saying publicly is not what they're saying privately, why is this conflict continuing and how should we take on board what Victor Orban has told Tucker?
01:04:30.000So this strategy that we are just supporting is a bad engineering of the strategy.
01:04:36.000To understand the Russians it's a difficult thing, especially if you have an ocean between you and Russia.
01:04:45.000So when we speak about politics, I mean Westerners, what is the focus point of our conversation?
01:05:30.000The catchphrase and name of our entire endeavour.
01:05:33.000America is built on the principle of liberty.
01:05:36.000Recently I heard the quote, those who never move seldom feel their chains.
01:05:42.000I query more and more how free we actually are.
01:05:44.000But what Orban is telling us is that's not even part of the cultural conversation in Russia.
01:05:49.000What they think about is the identity of the nation and keeping it together.
01:05:52.000That's an entirely different mindset and one that probably tends more towards militarism, is willing to endure suffering and sacrifice, is not thinking about The individual needs of the members of that nation, but he's thinking of the nation as a whole.
01:06:09.000I think that's obviously a pretty significant point.
01:06:12.000And that generates a different kind of culture and understanding of politics.
01:06:16.000That creates a kind of military approach, like they have.
01:06:20.000Always on security, safety, buffer zone, geopolitical approaches.
01:06:24.000It's not our culture, it's a different approach.
01:06:27.000It's legitimate to have that, because it's their history.
01:06:29.000One of the critiques that's being offered is that Russia is a militaristic nation.
01:06:33.000And Viktor Orban's saying they have a completely different perspective.
01:06:36.000A perspective that's based on defence and keeping the country together.
01:06:40.000And he offers that America is interested in freedom.
01:06:42.000Now culturally, whether you're on the left or the right, Freedom is what we all talk about, the freedom to be who you are as an individual.
01:06:48.000That's basically the argument of both the SJW left and the right-wing libertarian.
01:06:54.000But the truth is that this idea of individual and cultural freedom within America is often leveraged for expansionism, for colonialism, for imperialism, Look at how many nations around the world America involved in either supporting conflicts or droning or bombing or have troops stationed there.
01:07:09.000What's that got to do with your individual freedom?
01:07:11.000Oh, we're doing that so you can have your individual freedom and stuff.
01:07:16.000Are you sure that America isn't much more militaristic than Russia?
01:07:19.000Colonial, imperialist, but not in the old school British way of colonialism, waving a flag for a queen, but in order to support a kind of invisible, difficult to discern, corporate globalist agenda and uses militarism to advance that while telling the domestic population it's all about freedom.
01:07:34.000Because how does any of this improve your individual freedom?
01:07:38.000But we have to understand that we cannot beat them as we do just now.
01:08:01.000Our propaganda is always telling us that Putin's on the edge.
01:08:04.000Either he's going to shit himself to death, or one of his various diseases is going to kill him, or one of his opponents is going to kill him, or the CIA are going to kill him.
01:08:11.000But this guy's version is, that's not going to happen.
01:08:14.000And when you think of what happens when people even suggest they might kill Putin, they end up dead fast In a plane!
01:08:44.000It's sort of true that America is super powerful and that's a kind of a good thing.
01:08:48.000That means if you had an America that was guided by the will of its people and the will of the people was peace around the world, less military expansionism, then you could have a peaceful solution.
01:08:59.000But that does require the acknowledgement that this war is only continuing because of American involvement.
01:09:04.000This American involvement is being equated with protecting Ukrainian people.
01:09:07.000But how many of us really believe that's the agenda and not the support of the military-industrial complex, the ability to rebuild it with BlackRock?
01:09:15.000Who believes, if you live in America right now, that the function of the American government, the function of the globalist corporate cartel, is your well-being?
01:09:25.000Is that how it seems to be playing out?
01:11:33.000And his foreign policy was the best one for the world in the last several decades I have seen.
01:11:38.000And if he would have been the president at the moment of the Russian invasion started, no, it would be not possible to do that by the Russians.
01:11:47.000If you already like Trump, then you already believe that.
01:11:50.000What I think's important is that people that dislike Trump, extract Trump from that set of data, didn't initiate wars.
01:11:58.000I know that they would have a, no, nobody did this and he said that and he did this.
01:12:01.000But at the moment we're talking about this issue, potential Third World War, potential nuclear Armageddon, corrupt wars continuing in order to generate profit and generate power and to advance American interests when in fact they're saying it's for humanitarian reasons.
01:12:15.000On this issue, if you extract the orange shadow of Trump, it seems like what he's doing and what he's suggesting would be better in this instance.
01:12:24.000So Trump is the man who can save the Western world and probably the human beings in the globe as well.
01:12:41.000At what point do you envisage that Russia would surrender?
01:12:44.000What is the Biden administration's vision for a successful conclusion to this war?
01:12:49.000And perhaps more importantly than any of that, What would Trump do?
01:12:52.000Well, Trump has told us, I would bring about peace in 24 hours, I'd say we'd back Ukraine to the hill.
01:12:56.000So, I suppose what we have to look at is the facts around this war, regardless of our political biases, and ask ourselves some questions about what kind of America and what kind of world do we want to live in?
01:13:07.000Where wars are conducted in order to advance particular interests, while meanwhile we're sold the idea that they're humanitarian?
01:13:13.000Or are we sick and tired of that particular lie?
01:13:16.000Are we willing to analyse politics from an entirely different perspective, putting aside old prejudices in order to reach new conclusions?