Stay Free - Russel Brand - WTF! Labor Day Drones Are SHUTTING DOWN Your Freedom?! - Stay Free #199

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00:00:49.000 Happy Labour Day you beautiful awakening wonders!

00:00:58.000 The sweet spirit of ordinary Americans abounds.

00:01:01.000 You are free, free in the words of Bill Hicks, to do as we tell you.

00:01:05.000 You are free to do as we tell you.

00:01:07.000 Ah, what would he make, God rest his soul, of the conditions that we now live within.

00:01:12.000 Surveilled from every angle, even your Labour Day celebrations, surveilled by drones from the sky.

00:01:18.000 If you're watching us on YouTube and you're one of our 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, a glorious army that we have built together, then for the first 15 minutes, we're going to be here with you talking about Tuckers Chat with the Hungarian leader.

00:01:31.000 How do you say his name again?

00:01:32.000 Orban.

00:01:33.000 Viktor Orban.

00:01:33.000 Victor Orban.

00:01:34.000 I think of the colour of hair, then it helps me.

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00:01:37.000 Of course with me after our one week off break is Gareth Roy, on-screen assistant in Presario, partner in Football Is Nice and expert on World News.

00:01:47.000 We'll be inviting Michael Schellenberger onto the show, but this is a man who breathes, lives and bleeds free speech to the degree that he will only appear on free speech platforms.

00:01:58.000 Did you know that about the man we call Shelley Schellenberger?

00:02:01.000 Absolutely.

00:02:02.000 He's a trainee.

00:02:03.000 I think he's going to run for office soon.

00:02:04.000 He did run for office once, I think.

00:02:07.000 Anyway, we've got so many things to talk to you about, including drones surveilling you on your Labor Day.

00:02:11.000 How are you spending it?

00:02:13.000 Because we're not Americans.

00:02:14.000 Did you know that about me?

00:02:15.000 I know it's hard to tell.

00:02:16.000 What?

00:02:16.000 Yeah, I'm from England.

00:02:17.000 And what do you do?

00:02:18.000 A barbecue?

00:02:19.000 That'd be nice.

00:02:20.000 That's probably what I do, isn't it?

00:02:21.000 I bet there's a lot of barbecues.

00:02:22.000 Are you at a barbecue right now?

00:02:23.000 Hey, we're doing a barbecue, man!

00:02:25.000 That's an American.

00:02:26.000 Very good.

00:02:27.000 Just enjoying Labor Day.

00:02:28.000 And you're not acting anymore?

00:02:30.000 It seems a waste of an incredible talent, but the truth is, I can't get the work.

00:02:36.000 As a conspiracy theorist, I'm still friends with, for example, Jason Segel.

00:02:40.000 I could ask him, we done Sarah Marshall?

00:02:43.000 We done Get Me Down The Greek? 0.97

00:02:45.000 The barbecue accent?

00:02:47.000 Have you seen this?

00:02:49.000 I can't do it.

00:02:51.000 One moment in time, like Winnie Houston.

00:02:54.000 Yes.

00:02:55.000 One moment in time.

00:02:56.000 That's all it was.

00:02:57.000 Hey, listen, we're gonna be talking to you about loads of stuff.

00:02:59.000 If you're in the UK, if you like me are in the UK, we're doing a handful of live shows in September.

00:03:04.000 There's a link, post a link in the chat right now.

00:03:06.000 There's a handful of live shows you can come to, including one in London next Monday, 12th of September.

00:03:11.000 We just put this on for me to practice some stuff that I have to practice before I do it live.

00:03:15.000 Come see me there, intimate room, you'll love it.

00:03:17.000 There's a link in the description.

00:03:18.000 Anyway, let's get into these drones from the sky, spying on our American cousins to show

00:03:24.000 there is no bitterness between us after the American Revolution.

00:03:26.000 You did the right thing, kicking King George III off of the throne when he was taking your taxes

00:03:31.000 without representing you.

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00:03:34.000 Is it a new monarchy?

00:03:35.000 Is it a new elite taxing you without representation?

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00:04:04.000 But let's have a look at these drones that are ruining your Labour Day before we talk about Tucker, before we get on Schellenberger, and before what's our video today?

00:04:12.000 Talking about our victor, Orban and Tucker and this war and them carrying it on for all sorts of outrageous reasons, not the humanitarian ones that they claim.

00:04:19.000 Let's have a look at the mainstream media report on Labor Day and how it's okay to spy on people while they just try to have a barbecue.

00:04:26.000 People will also be attending outdoor parties and big parades over this last weekend of the summer season.

00:04:31.000 And the NYPD will be watching out for trouble in a whole new way using surveillance drones meant... Watching out for trouble in a whole new way.

00:04:39.000 Do you remember when it used to be like the weather and it was the eye in the sky?

00:04:41.000 Not the weather, traffic.

00:04:43.000 We can see that there's a- there's a- on the causeway!

00:04:45.000 Or whatever.

00:04:45.000 A bit more talent.

00:04:46.000 Do you see that?

00:04:47.000 God, it's happening again.

00:04:47.000 More acting.

00:04:48.000 It's brilliant.

00:04:48.000 I can do it.

00:04:48.000 I can just do it.

00:04:49.000 I've got a- You're sure you're not American?

00:04:51.000 There's a menagerie within me.

00:04:53.000 Of characters.

00:04:54.000 Who will I be next?

00:04:56.000 The weatherman!

00:04:57.000 Behold!

00:04:58.000 The barbeque guy!

00:05:00.000 Do you remember him?

00:05:01.000 My classic character!

00:05:03.000 The eye in the sky, like Arnie Pye out of The Simpsons.

00:05:06.000 That was meant to be helping.

00:05:07.000 Now it's a drone and it's saying that the NYPD are keeping an eye on you.

00:05:12.000 Why are they keeping an eye on you?

00:05:12.000 Why?

00:05:14.000 The first thing is, you're enjoying Labour Day, right?

00:05:16.000 Yep.

00:05:16.000 You're maybe having a barbeque or a party?

00:05:18.000 Yep.

00:05:19.000 We're looking out for trouble.

00:05:20.000 That's the first thing now.

00:05:21.000 Trouble.

00:05:22.000 Why are they always looking to have a trouble?

00:05:22.000 Why?

00:05:24.000 I'm looking in a minute how they try to package it as like we're up there to help you from the sky, like to keep you safe, just in case.

00:05:30.000 And what's going to happen to you down there at your barbecue?

00:05:30.000 I don't know.

00:05:32.000 You going to drop a hot dog on your shin?

00:05:35.000 To respond faster than officers.

00:05:36.000 CBS News Elijah Westbrook joins us live here in the studio with more on this.

00:05:40.000 Elijah.

00:05:40.000 Well, you know, Chris Amiri, essentially when you look at it, these drones are the eyes and ears from the skies.

00:05:40.000 That's right.

00:05:45.000 Like eyes and ears from the sky, do you?

00:05:47.000 Sky, ears and eyes.

00:05:48.000 Like a Mr. Potato Head, but in the sky.

00:05:50.000 Like the sky's got ears and eyes and a mouth.

00:05:52.000 Like that mouse that has a little ear.

00:05:54.000 You know, where that ear was pulling that mouse. 0.84

00:05:55.000 I don't know what you're talking about, Gareth.

00:05:57.000 You're talking about the mouse that had an ear grafted onto his back.

00:06:00.000 What about those Illuminus mice?

00:06:01.000 Right.

00:06:02.000 What about the only eight mice that had a Moderna booster shot trialled on them?

00:06:06.000 I think we can still say that.

00:06:08.000 I think we can still say that.

00:06:09.000 They actually trialled human ears.

00:06:11.000 In the sky with drones.

00:06:13.000 Like you're up there, you've had a Moderna booster, you've got an ear on your back, you're fluttering down, you're using the ear as a parachute, you're a luminous so you can be seen even though the evenings are really drawing in.

00:06:22.000 Have you noticed the evenings are drawing in?

00:06:24.000 Don't get me started.

00:06:25.000 Have you noticed the illuminous mice raining down from the sky being surveilled by the NYPD?

00:06:30.000 Look at this dude try to sell it as security and safety for you as always.

00:06:34.000 ...over parties and large festivities aimed at keeping people safe of course.

00:06:39.000 Now police say...

00:06:41.000 Of course.

00:06:42.000 We're doing this to keep you safe.

00:06:43.000 God, did you think we were surveilling you, spying on you, trying to control you?

00:06:45.000 That's to keep you safe.

00:06:47.000 Here's a question.

00:06:48.000 When it comes to, like, keeping you safe, shouldn't that be done by consent?

00:06:53.000 Like, opt in if you want.

00:06:54.000 Send us a message and we'll send a drone to keep you safe.

00:06:58.000 But if you don't want that, we'll leave you alone.

00:07:00.000 Keeping you safe from what?

00:07:02.000 What's going to happen?

00:07:03.000 I know.

00:07:03.000 Also, what a way to spoil the party.

00:07:05.000 I mean, we've all had that guest who turns up, the unwanted guest.

00:07:09.000 You told me I was welcome with your family!

00:07:11.000 No, no, they enjoyed you being there for a bit.

00:07:15.000 Wanna hear a conspiracy theory, mates?

00:07:17.000 Wanna hear a conspiracy theory?

00:07:18.000 Here, you can't trust no one.

00:07:20.000 They're deleting our videos off YouTube.

00:07:22.000 Here, you'll never have a guess what about Obama.

00:07:25.000 How long's he gonna stay?

00:07:27.000 Oh, we've run out of vegan hot dogs, I'm afraid.

00:07:29.000 Oh, I'm out of here! 1.00

00:07:31.000 You bloody carnivores! 1.00

00:07:32.000 Sammy, I'm out of here, man! 1.00

00:07:34.000 You can't handle the truth!

00:07:35.000 Yeah, bye!

00:07:36.000 Here's to anyone with a free pair of underpants!

00:07:38.000 Oh, look at that one.

00:07:39.000 It's having a baby.

00:07:40.000 Jesus.

00:07:42.000 Now, go on.

00:07:43.000 Yeah, it's an unwanted guest.

00:07:44.000 Unwanted guest.

00:07:45.000 Isn't it?

00:07:46.000 Looming above you.

00:07:47.000 Have you ever had a drone come above your house?

00:07:49.000 No, I haven't.

00:07:49.000 We were in our garden, because I think it's where I'm famous, off of Sarah Marshall, or, you know, Big Brother, or Minions, and a drone went by, like that, just trying to eye up my household.

00:08:00.000 I encourage children... I beg your pardon?

00:08:02.000 It tried to get its eye up my household! 1.00

00:08:05.000 And then, so, the kids and I, we hose-piped it.

00:08:08.000 Did you?

00:08:08.000 And we threw stuff at it.

00:08:09.000 Well done.

00:08:10.000 That won't antagonise them.

00:08:10.000 Yeah.

00:08:11.000 Like cavemen.

00:08:12.000 You know, like how, like... What's this do?

00:08:17.000 Can't they try and eat it? 0.98

00:08:18.000 Like metal, like sort of a metal pigeon.

00:08:20.000 For example, they get a 3-1-1 complaint about loud music at a house party.

00:08:25.000 The idea... That's not keeping you safe.

00:08:27.000 No.

00:08:27.000 That's a 3-1-1 about loud music at a house party.

00:08:30.000 So I don't see why the drone has to deal with that.

00:08:32.000 Can't we do the old school way of doing it?

00:08:34.000 Someone calls the police and they come round if there's a problem.

00:08:36.000 Like, why do we need to be surveilled the whole time?

00:08:39.000 Why do we have to be continually surveilled?

00:08:41.000 Like, I've got this friend, would you believe?

00:08:42.000 What?

00:08:43.000 Yeah, it's not you.

00:08:44.000 It's another one.

00:08:45.000 He's called Barry Camera.

00:08:47.000 And, like, he said that he went away to Australia a bit, he said he'd come back.

00:08:51.000 There's cameras everywhere.

00:08:53.000 Like, everywhere.

00:08:53.000 Yeah.

00:08:54.000 Which made him feel at home.

00:08:56.000 Because, as you know from just now, his name's Camera.

00:08:58.000 But, like, surveillance is just everywhere.

00:09:00.000 I didn't ask for that.

00:09:00.000 We've just accepted it.

00:09:02.000 What about in London, our city, where they've got these LEZ zones now that nobody wants? 0.84

00:09:06.000 What's it meant to be for?

00:09:07.000 Reducing emissions?

00:09:08.000 Well, I have cameras.

00:09:08.000 That's right, yeah.

00:09:10.000 A new industry always crops up around these things.

00:09:12.000 We've got this new law now.

00:09:13.000 You can't do this.

00:09:14.000 And now a new industry comes up around it.

00:09:16.000 Let's see what else these drones are up to. 0.98

00:09:17.000 There's a brilliant bit where they go to Gay Pride, the drones, and tell people to go home. 1.00

00:09:21.000 That's not very proud.

00:09:22.000 It's to deploy the drone and pre-screen what is happening at that location.

00:09:27.000 Now, the drones are said to be equipped with audio devices and speakers that are operated by officers on the ground.

00:09:33.000 What, the speakers?

00:09:34.000 You don't like that?

00:09:34.000 Audio devices?

00:09:35.000 So they're not just watching, they're listening to us now.

00:09:38.000 Oh my god, they're looking, they're listening.

00:09:40.000 What are they going to do next?

00:09:42.000 Touch us up from the sky?

00:09:43.000 That is absolutely outrageous.

00:09:44.000 Well that's the only part I'll accept.

00:09:46.000 Fair enough, like a saucy drone, like a sort of, with a nice moustache.

00:09:51.000 An attractive drone drams its way down at you.

00:09:54.000 That's absolutely outrageous, it's an invasion and an intrusion, and also I reject the idea, like say when sniffer dogs at an airport come and sniff you, I maintain, I am a human, it is a dog.

00:10:06.000 I respect you, I love you, but you will not make me your master.

00:10:09.000 No.

00:10:10.000 You know, whether or not I'm carrying contraband substances, right?

00:10:14.000 So a drone, they're trying to familiarise us with drones while simultaneously getting us to accept a subjugate or a subordinate position to a drone.

00:10:25.000 Go back to your beds!

00:10:26.000 Be quiet!

00:10:27.000 Turn that noise down! 1.00

00:10:28.000 Yeah.

00:10:29.000 I mean, we literally, we saw what happened in China.

00:10:31.000 That was one of the big stories of the pandemic, wasn't it?

00:10:34.000 I remember when we saw that, and we'll get a look at it in a minute.

00:10:36.000 Like, yeah, if I'm listening to Billy Ray Cyrus on my Labor Day barbecue, which I believe is what you'll be doing as an American, I want to enjoy Billy Ray, not think that when I start doing my line dancing and make some attempt to mend my achy, breaky heart, a sky drone spying on me with its lug holes.

00:10:53.000 That's dystopia.

00:10:55.000 Those officers are also able to play a live or pre-recorded message and ask for compliance with, let's say, turning down the music before cops arrive.

00:11:04.000 I would like to invite you to comply!

00:11:06.000 Like, once I was floating above your house listening to you, that's no, you're no longer involved in a discourse or a consensual democracy, you're involved in a centralised authoritarian dystopia that's being sold to you under the auspices of enhanced liberalism and, as always, safety and convenience.

00:11:22.000 Be vigilant.

00:11:23.000 Don't you feel like you're watching a prequel to Robocop yet?

00:11:26.000 Like, this is, what's next?

00:11:28.000 Well, Robocop.

00:11:31.000 And then Robocop 2?

00:11:32.000 Yeah, but you recognise that it's losing some of its kitsch charm.

00:11:36.000 Look, I like this.

00:11:37.000 It's weird.

00:11:38.000 I never liked the skin on his face versus the metal.

00:11:43.000 No.

00:11:44.000 Also, are we supposed to find Robocop attractive?

00:11:46.000 Yes.

00:11:47.000 Dinner alive!

00:11:48.000 You're coming with me.

00:11:49.000 Oh, all right.

00:11:51.000 Alive, then.

00:11:52.000 If I've got the choice.

00:11:54.000 I didn't like the sort of bits, like the latex between his bits, like a stormtrooper, I suppose.

00:11:58.000 Okay.

00:11:59.000 And didn't he start getting flashbacks later?

00:12:00.000 Yeah, he did.

00:12:01.000 And I start remembering, hang on a minute, this ain't right what I'm doing.

00:12:03.000 Them drones aren't going to do that, though. 0.99

00:12:05.000 They're not going to have a sudden flash of conscience and go, wait a minute, this is none of my business.

00:12:05.000 Well, they might.

00:12:09.000 Carry on with your barbecue.

00:12:10.000 Well, we don't know.

00:12:11.000 Drop off a six-pack.

00:12:12.000 We've got those digidogs, haven't we?

00:12:14.000 Digidogs?

00:12:15.000 They're meant to be great, but then we know that they've already been militarized.

00:12:18.000 They've now got rocket launchers on and something.

00:12:20.000 What's the next step for these guys?

00:12:22.000 Shootin' ya, ain't it?

00:12:24.000 Would you mind complying? 0.91

00:12:25.000 Turn down Billy Ray.

00:12:27.000 Mind your own business, copper!

00:12:30.000 Digidogs dropped on you?

00:12:32.000 Nah.

00:12:33.000 Now the NYPD says this tactic was used in June during the city's pride parade where hundreds of people gathered inside Washington Square Park.

00:12:41.000 They say within 10 minutes the park was cleared without having to send out additional officers into the crowd.

00:12:47.000 I would say if you are an enforcement officer, watch out because they're coming for your jobs these days.

00:12:52.000 Did you see that?

00:12:53.000 They didn't have to send out additional officers.

00:12:54.000 What about your overtime?

00:12:56.000 What about your rights?

00:12:57.000 What about your Labour Day?

00:12:58.000 What about your Labour Day?

00:13:00.000 Where's my ticker tape parade?

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00:13:12.000 Now, the problem is I'm looking at this on the monitor, and this black dot doesn't look appealing.

00:13:16.000 This is a bit of branding.

00:13:17.000 These are Stay Free, Awake and Wonder underpants.

00:13:19.000 But in the wide, in the sort of little short, it just looks like a lesion, is what I would say it looks like.

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00:13:36.000 Now, we asked you earlier about drones.

00:13:38.000 They're using drones, as you know, NYPD, to survey your Labour Day party.

00:13:42.000 How would you react if you saw a drone at your party?

00:13:44.000 We asked you.

00:13:45.000 A, would you shout up at the sky, You're keeping me safe.

00:13:48.000 Come have a drink.

00:13:48.000 Or would you be?

00:13:49.000 Blast it straight out of the sky.

00:13:51.000 And look at you, America.

00:13:53.000 All of you, 94% of you would blast it straight out of the sky, possibly with a licensed firearm.

00:13:59.000 Who knows what techniques you would use?

00:14:01.000 You could use a water hose, a water cannon.

00:14:04.000 Slingshot or something.

00:14:05.000 Slingshot, like David versus Goliath.

00:14:08.000 I believe that's what he used, is a slingshot.

00:14:10.000 Yep, that's some of the ways that you could do it.

00:14:12.000 You asked for a metaphor, because I'm saying fighting back against the system.

00:14:14.000 Have a look at the rest of it.

00:14:15.000 Is there any more of that news or are we going to look at, uh, yeah, let's have a look at the end of this news thing and see what they say.

00:14:19.000 And that goal is the, or rather the goal is that the method will be just as successful.

00:14:24.000 New York City, we're going to lead the way of what a safe West Indian Day or Labor Day weekend is going to be. 0.98

00:14:31.000 We are confident that the work of the police commissioner... They say West India Day and Labor Day.

00:14:36.000 That doesn't seem like the spirit of people coming together or West India Day, that you're being surveilled by drones from the sky.

00:14:43.000 Freedom means that we are entrusted with our own liberty and the liberty of one another.

00:14:48.000 Government by consensus, not government by dominion.

00:14:51.000 But we are increasingly moving away from that to the kind of dystopic states that we thought we would never emulate.

00:14:57.000 You remember, even on the mainstream news, do you remember this?

00:14:59.000 Let me know in the chat if you remember.

00:15:01.000 When the pandemic broke, curiously near Wuhan where they have that lab, Like, they said, oh, good luck trying to impose this stuff on Americans or British people. 0.94

00:15:11.000 They won't have it.

00:15:12.000 But we did have it, didn't we?

00:15:13.000 We had it.

00:15:14.000 We had it right up the Khyber Pass, as they say in cockney rhyming slang.

00:15:14.000 All right.

00:15:19.000 Well, look, just to remind you, you know, you might think when you're glancing up at Labor Day parade or from your gay parade or from your barbecue or wherever, I recognize these drones from somewhere.

00:15:28.000 Well, here's where you recognize those drones from.

00:15:31.000 Sweet Lady China herself.

00:15:32.000 Have a look.

00:15:53.000 It's a mark of how quickly things are normalised, isn't it?

00:15:57.000 I remember when that came out at the time, and I remember we were making videos at that time, and this looked so dystopian.

00:16:02.000 I can't actually believe this is happening.

00:16:04.000 Now, it's been so normalised that it's just turning up on Labour Day, and no-one really thinks anything about it.

00:16:09.000 We've been inoculated against dystopia, and watch out for the metaphorical undercurrents there.

00:16:15.000 Now, these deep state agencies, of course, are necessary if you're going to inculcate those kind of dystopian measures, and many of the more radical guests we've had on the show, I think Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK, both said that in the event that they become the president of your great nation, they will disband the FBI.

00:16:33.000 I think they both said that, didn't they?

00:16:35.000 I'm not misquoting these fine men. Well, here's another reason to contemplate what would seem

00:16:40.000 like such a significant measure. The FBI are compiling vast American DNA databases and

00:16:46.000 some of that is contained in those awakened wonder underpants I've just shown you, but

00:16:50.000 the rest of it's in labs, which I hope they're keeping clean and I hope they're keeping the

00:16:53.000 vents on. Tell me a little bit more about this, mate.

00:16:56.000 Well, the comparisons that we had to China before, this is at a pace that rivals China. 0.82

00:17:00.000 So, again, we're always fear-mongered about how China are doing things that are so dystopian.

00:17:05.000 The FBI is doing something at the same rate as China are doing at the moment. 0.93

00:17:10.000 7% of the US population, the FBI now has amassed DNA profiles for, and it's now doubling its budget to, obviously, they want to, you know, at least double the amount of DNA profiles that they've got.

00:17:21.000 Why do they say they want the DNA of Americans?

00:17:24.000 What's their reason for it?

00:17:25.000 Well, as always, it's about criminality.

00:17:28.000 It's about if we can collect these people from convicted crimes, then we can stop crimes happening again.

00:17:33.000 But I think reading this article in The Intercept, only 3% of crimes, or something like 3% of the DNA was used in solving crimes.

00:17:45.000 Basically, it was a very low number.

00:17:46.000 that they would use these as an excuse to collect mass data for.

00:17:51.000 Do you know what it reminds me of, Gail? It reminds me of like when they sort of said that all of the surveillance

00:17:56.000 that was afforded by the Patriot Act would be brought about to inhibit, prohibit and prevent terrorism,

00:18:01.000 but they couldn't demonstrate one case where provably it had prevented terror.

00:18:07.000 And it's not just your DNA that's being gathered up, even your emotions are being spied on.

00:18:13.000 Is this happening in our country, the United Kingdom? It says the DHS uses social media surveillance tools

00:18:19.000 to detect people's emotions. This is astonishing. How's that going to work?

00:18:24.000 This is the Department of Homeland Security.

00:18:26.000 Oh, that's also America. Oh, guys.

00:18:28.000 Yeah, new AI technology that's now, as it says, using tools to detect people's emotions.

00:18:34.000 Again, it's being done under the proviso of protecting people.

00:18:40.000 All of this technology is.

00:18:42.000 It's either that or commercial use.

00:18:44.000 It's one of the two.

00:18:45.000 Yep.

00:18:46.000 As is happening with Microsoft.

00:18:48.000 So this face tracking pattern that Microsoft are developing now is basically a cheaper way of reading people's facial expressions.

00:18:55.000 So it will be used primarily for commercial use.

00:18:59.000 So when people buy something or when people are looking at things on the internet, you'll be able to track what their live reaction is to something.

00:19:06.000 Oh, I feel like I'm being spied on!

00:19:08.000 Uh-oh, they don't like Bismarck!

00:19:10.000 Oh, I feel safer than ever! 1.00

00:19:12.000 Well, it's going to be looking at whether or not you're grinning back at it like a moron. 1.00

00:19:15.000 Obviously, we know about Microsoft. 1.00

00:19:16.000 They have massive deals with the government as well.

00:19:19.000 We have massive deals in the military-industrial complex.

00:19:23.000 You know, they don't work just separately.

00:19:25.000 This is how these things happen.

00:19:27.000 Miles Driver says, in the locals chat, why don't you press the red button on your screen now and join Miles over there in the chat.

00:19:32.000 He says, when your only tool is anti-terrorism, we all become terrorists.

00:19:37.000 Let Miles know if you agree with that sentiment in the chat.

00:19:41.000 Now, we could talk about two things now.

00:19:42.000 We could talk about Burning Man, which began as a very innovative, Brilliant festival that looked at radical anti-establishment ideas but has now become some sort of crazy torrent where people have to flee it like a disaster zone.

00:19:56.000 Or we could talk about Rachel Maddow's reaction to Trump.

00:20:00.000 Which one do you guys, let us know in the locals chat.

00:20:03.000 Just put either Trump or Burning Man, or if you want, if you're sort of very anti-Trump, you could combine them and have Trump sort of burned, which I would say is a needless wish.

00:20:12.000 It's going too far.

00:20:13.000 Trump, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, Maddow, Trump, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, Burning Man, Trump, I don't know, imagine if someone tunes in now.

00:20:13.000 Too far.

00:20:19.000 Trump, Trump, Burning Man Trump. They'll think like I'm a non-player character of anti-establishment

00:20:25.000 news. Trump, Trump, Burning Man Trump, Trump, Trump. And also we're going to tell you about

00:20:29.000 how to win yourself a pair of what I call sweet Butterworths.

00:20:34.000 Underpants straight from the undercarriage. Okay, we're going to, Burning Trump

00:20:38.000 Trump, it's going to be Trump. Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow's reaction on MSNBC, or it's 0.99

00:20:43.000 not even a reaction, her idea about the risks of Donald Trump.

00:20:47.000 I think we can show this on YouTube, can't we?

00:20:51.000 Because remember, YouTube, you 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, you're going to have to join us in a minute over on the other place, Rumble, because Michael Schellenberger, the great journalist and free speech advocate, he is so committed to it, he bleeds, and for as far as I know, ejaculates free speech.

00:21:05.000 He will Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow. 0.81

00:21:08.000 I think overreacting to the possibility of Trump being elected.

00:21:11.000 You lot tell us what you feel in the chat.

00:21:12.000 Let's go.

00:21:12.000 wonder panties, er, pants, sorry. No, it doesn't matter, he could do whatever he wanted with

00:21:17.000 them. Sure. Who cares? We don't care. We're free, aren't we?

00:21:20.000 That's what this is about, is freedom. Let's have a look at Rachel Maddow. I think 0.90

00:21:23.000 overreacting to the possibility of Trump being elected. You lot tell us what you feel in the

00:21:28.000 chat. Let's go. The election means one of two things, if this is the way he's going to

00:21:33.000 approach it. That's true, elections do mean one of two things, don't it?

00:21:36.000 That's all it could ever mean.

00:21:37.000 This party or this party, both of whom are funded in more or less identical ways.

00:21:41.000 So actually, that's inadvertently the truest thing that's ever been said on MSNBC.

00:21:47.000 Either he loses the election and he goes to prison, or he wins the election, he doesn't go to prison, and is that for life?

00:21:58.000 That he gets to be president?

00:21:59.000 Will we keep having more elections or no?

00:22:03.000 If every election is a new opportunity for him to go to prison, do you think he allows us to have new elections?

00:22:07.000 I mean, if those are the stakes, if winning the election is his plan to stay out of prison, what happens in that election if and when he does not win it?

00:22:18.000 I don't think that's very fair because I think what we need now, as you said earlier, because we're looking at this story in some depth over the course of the week and I also think we should do those surveillance stories because they look fascinating.

00:22:27.000 Let us know in the chat if you think we should look at some of this surveillance stuff in more detail.

00:22:31.000 If you want a rational and healing conversation in America, about America, you can't use propagandist and hysterical discourse saying things like that if Trump wins he's going to declare himself president for life.

00:22:43.000 There's no evidence to suggest that.

00:22:45.000 And also, as Gareth pointed out earlier, the indictment from Georgia is a state matter, not a federal matter, and those charges would still be relevant even in the event he was President, unless you think he's going to wave some wand and change all laws, and anybody could do that.

00:22:59.000 And perhaps even more important than any of that, we currently have a Democrat in the White House, and he's doing, in my view, an appalling job, not delivering on many of the pledges and promises he offered during his campaign time, whether it's controlling Big Pharma, which has become a mealy-mouthed, watered-down, diluted, half Absolutely.

00:23:14.000 And this again suggests that Democrats have never denied election results, have never concocted things like Russiagate. 0.84

00:23:21.000 I mean, it's ridiculous.

00:23:23.000 Trump's ongoing popularity. That is in essence our main point I think. 0.85

00:23:27.000 Yeah absolutely and this again suggests that Democrats have never denied election results,

00:23:32.000 have never concocted things like Russiagate. I mean it's ridiculous. Rather than going 0.84

00:23:36.000 on there and having a kind of rational reaction to what's happening and then hoping that the

00:23:40.000 audience has a rational reaction also, it's you know fear-mongering to a kind of ludicrous

00:23:47.000 Yeah, we try and do this with you lot.

00:23:49.000 I hope you know this.

00:23:50.000 We recognize that some of you will believe different things than us, and we hope that we can achieve a consensus.

00:23:56.000 That's why the local chat is so important to us, because we can reach consensus together.

00:24:00.000 We can transcend these divisive left-right narratives, these ossified and oppositionist perspectives.

00:24:07.000 Whereas MSNBC and even Fox, what they want is to corral groups together and inflate and create incendiary, conflict-driven, oppositionist narratives.

00:24:18.000 We don't want to do that.

00:24:19.000 We want to create new stories.

00:24:21.000 A lot of you are talking about the stuff about vaccines that's, I think, still up on YouTube and in any sensible world would rightly have adjudicated as misinformation at this point.

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00:29:35.000 Because he keeps his minty fresh, because his own pheromones are as sweet as Febreze, is Michael Schellenberger.

00:29:44.000 Thanks for joining us, Michael.

00:29:46.000 Good to see you, Russell.

00:29:48.000 Welcome back.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, what do you mean?

00:29:50.000 I mean, I've always been here.

00:29:51.000 You welcome back.

00:29:53.000 I welcome back from, like, where I've been.

00:29:55.000 Yeah, no, thank you.

00:29:55.000 Thanks for having me.

00:29:56.000 I've missed you.

00:29:58.000 I see you, you, young Putin and Gareth, were in a London black taxi when we were over here having our free speech shindig.

00:30:05.000 That was wonderful.

00:30:06.000 It was great to spend that time with you guys.

00:30:08.000 We loved it as well.

00:30:09.000 We loved it.

00:30:10.000 Now, you're primarily here, of course, to have a painting in the background that plainly strobes.

00:30:15.000 In old media, you'd have been shot for that.

00:30:17.000 But also, also to talk to us about your new documentary, Why I Love Russell Brand So Much.

00:30:24.000 What exactly?

00:30:25.000 Your new documentary, Thrown to the Wind.

00:30:27.000 What's that about, Shelley?

00:30:30.000 Well, this is a big issue on the East Coast.

00:30:33.000 You know, for years they had been saying that this increase of whale deaths, which has been going on since 2017, had nothing to do with the fact that they were adding all this new boat traffic to find places to install large wind turbines.

00:30:48.000 But we have a new documentary out that really debunks that and shows that the big increase in whale deaths has been coming from increased boat traffic in areas where there had not been boat traffic, mostly from the wind industry, and also that they are engaged in sonar mapping of the ocean floor at really high decibels that we know separates mothers from their calves, sends whales into poorer feeding grounds, and we think is one of the big drivers of the deaths of these whales, of which there's only 340 individuals left.

00:31:23.000 This is the North Atlantic right whale.

00:31:25.000 So we think our documentary is going to have a big impact on effectively having to stop these activities because there's just the Endangered Species Act is too strong and we think the evidence is pretty overwhelming that this is what's been driving the killings.

00:31:39.000 So essentially you're saying that this environmental ESG wind farm at sea movement is doing considerable damage, is therefore hypocritical and inaccurate and people are just told a story that draws a veil over the inconvenient aspects of that story, is that right?

00:32:01.000 Yeah, I mean the problem is that you just requires putting huge amounts of industrial activity in what is a pretty pristine environment.

00:32:10.000 I mean there is boat traffic and the lobster fishing has also had a big impact on the whales, but what you see in the mapping that was done showing the increase in whale deaths is that it's boat traffic and parts of the East Coast where there hadn't been boat traffic before.

00:32:28.000 And that's often the places where the whales have been hiding to basically protect themselves and to feed to get away from the boat traffic.

00:32:36.000 So yeah, I mean, I think that really it's been a big life about, you know, wind industry.

00:32:41.000 We kind of think of the quaint windmills of the 16th century, but these are really big machines that have a really big impact in putting them in natural environments.

00:32:51.000 And it's not just the whales.

00:32:52.000 We've seen these big impacts on bird species as well around the world. Beyond the

00:32:57.000 environmental issues and the deleterious impact that these windmills or turbines or whatever are

00:33:05.000 having on animals, are you opposed to them more broadly and are framing the story in this way

00:33:10.000 because you know it's a difficult way for conventional environmentalists to defend it? I mean this is,

00:33:17.000 I mean for me whales are very special.

00:33:20.000 I think for a lot of us, these are spiritual animals.

00:33:25.000 There's something about them that we can talk about their music, about the way they care for the young, the way they communicate with each other.

00:33:32.000 They're obviously really special mammals, and we have an affection for them.

00:33:36.000 I have since I was a boy.

00:33:38.000 Anybody that's seen these whales in the natural environment, it's a very special thing, and you don't want to see any of them die.

00:33:44.000 And for the most part, whales have been in recovery, except for this one species, which has been absolutely hammered in recent years, going from over 400 individuals to around 300.

00:33:56.000 So, for me, protecting charismatic megafauna like this is, like, one of the most important things you can do as a conservationist.

00:34:04.000 And so, yeah, I mean, I don't—I'm not spending a lot of my time trying to campaign against wind turbines in places like Iowa.

00:34:11.000 We do see—or in Indiana, there's people that are battling them there.

00:34:15.000 I think most of us don't want them near our homes.

00:34:17.000 Only 17 percent of the public says that they would Be comfortable living near these machines, which are very loud.

00:34:23.000 But I think when you start to talk about the extinction of an entire whale species, I think you're dealing with something very different.

00:34:30.000 It starts to raise questions about, are we over-focused on climate change?

00:34:35.000 Climate change is a real issue.

00:34:37.000 It's important, I think, but it's not the only environmental issue in the world.

00:34:40.000 And I think when you start losing whales or killing whales, you've really lost the plot in terms of what it means to protect the environment.

00:34:47.000 I suppose it's the kind of odd paradoxes and peculiar amalgams that we've seen elsewhere, that freedom requires censorship, that liberty requires surveillance.

00:35:00.000 We're seeing more oxymorons naturally emerging.

00:35:05.000 And I take that to be almost one of the sort of subtler, almost archetypal aspects of this dystopia we're being marched towards.

00:35:15.000 I'm going to take that phrase, charismatic megafauna, and call it, that's the name of my next tour, for God's sake.

00:35:22.000 Mate, can you tell me a little bit about how you feel about, we showed a little clip earlier of Rachel Maddow commenting on Trump and saying that if Trump wins the next election he'll make himself president for life.

00:35:34.000 I wonder if you believe that the mainstream media and in particular a sort of an obviously liberal or centre-left, however you want to term it, platform like MSNBC, do you think they are aware that that's hyperbolic Hysterical, propagandist and unlikely.

00:35:50.000 Do you think they genuinely believe that's a real threat or do you think they just enjoy framing the narrative in ways that are incendiary?

00:35:58.000 Do you think that they know that people that are not predisposed to their perspective will see that as ludicrous and don't care?

00:36:07.000 How do you think we've found ourselves in such curiously distinct media spaces and maybe use that story as a jump-off point?

00:36:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's a really interesting question of how much they believe it.

00:36:19.000 I mean, I think if you saw Bill Maher and Joe Rogan last week, he really believes that Trump is a genuinely greater threat than Joe Biden.

00:36:28.000 You know, does he think that they're going to declare themselves dictators?

00:36:31.000 I don't know.

00:36:31.000 I mean, half the time, I just think people don't even care.

00:36:35.000 They like the excitement of speculating that they're fighting against this kind of demonic force.

00:36:40.000 You know, I think the one thing that always helps me, and I think it's good to remind people, is, you know, Nietzsche's famous aphorism, beware that when you fight with monsters that you don't become one.

00:36:51.000 And that's clearly what's going on.

00:36:53.000 I mean, here we are, the president is basically trying to incarcerate his main political rival at the same time that they're actively breaking the law To cover up his own son's crimes, by which I mean they've appointed somebody from within the Justice Department to lead the special investigation.

00:37:12.000 This is David Weiss.

00:37:14.000 That's illegal.

00:37:14.000 You're supposed to choose a special prosecutor from outside, not just outside the Justice Department, but outside the government.

00:37:21.000 So, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think every day we all wake up going, what's going on here?

00:37:25.000 It's feeling positively third world around here.

00:37:28.000 Banana Republic, I don't think, is an exaggeration anymore.

00:37:31.000 And it's very scary because I do think you see from the right a lot of people, including Trump, calling for revenge and going after their opponents.

00:37:40.000 And then you're going to end up in a kind of classic cycle of retribution.

00:37:45.000 It doesn't end well.

00:37:46.000 And I feel like this is a moment that's crying out for People to say, hey, we need to turn the other cheek and be careful when you fight with monsters that you don't become one, because I think that's where really, honestly, both sides are headed right now.

00:37:59.000 I've heard it posited that, in retrospect, we may not regard Trump and Brexit as anomalies, but as the inauguration of a new type of populism.

00:38:11.000 And particularly when you consider that they, aside from the particular political flavour, were hot on the heels of Syriza's victory in Greece and Podemos, the rise of Podemos in Spain and Beppe Grillo and the Five Star Movement, which sounds like a band, in Italy.

00:38:29.000 That what we're in the middle of now, and particularly if you sort of perhaps align this with the emergence of figures like Vivek Ramaswamy and Robert F. Kennedy, that we're witnessing the kind of demise of the career politician.

00:38:44.000 I wonder what you think when you hear that sort of like a very perfectly plausible politician like Ron DeSantis appears to be suffering in the polls precisely because he is too vanilla political and he's And losing ground to figures like Ramaswamy and obviously Trump.

00:39:00.000 Do you feel that the new media landscapes demand a type of authenticity and complexity that cannot be contained by the old authoritarian centralised models and that they are struggling to corral narratives in the way that they previously could when there weren't the opportunity for the type of critiques that are possible and maybe even taking place right now certainly on public on your sub stack and I hope on our channel.

00:39:24.000 Or do you think it's changing the political landscape irrevocably?

00:39:27.000 I mean, there's no doubt about it.

00:39:28.000 And I thought that the Republican presidential debate was so interesting because, of course, Ron DeSantis is the one who is supposed to be the prepared candidate.

00:39:38.000 He's supposed to be prepared.

00:39:39.000 You know, he's got all this money.

00:39:41.000 He's got all these advisers.

00:39:42.000 And then when the question that everybody knew they would be asked, which is, would you support Trump even if he were convicted?

00:39:49.000 Raise your hand.

00:39:52.000 Vivek raised his hand right away.

00:39:54.000 He knew where he stood on this, and DeSantis kind of looked to his left, and they looked to his right, and then he raised his hand.

00:40:01.000 I mean, that's not exactly profiles and courage, and it's not exactly authenticity.

00:40:07.000 So I do think people are looking for something authentic.

00:40:10.000 I think that, you know, there's an old cliche, but I think it's really true, which is that We care more about having leaders that really know what they stand for, rather than having leaders that necessarily agree with us on all the specific issues.

00:40:23.000 And so I think that's why you've seen Vivek, you know, really surging.

00:40:29.000 I think he's representing that authenticity.

00:40:31.000 I think we saw with the Oliver Anthony song that became this kind of sleeper summer ballad that just took off, and it really resonated with everybody.

00:40:39.000 Even now the liberal media, the New York Times, is having to acknowledge that it touched a genuine chord.

00:40:44.000 So yeah, people are fed up.

00:40:46.000 I think they're tired of being patronized too.

00:40:48.000 And as you were just doing in your whole show, you're describing that it's like, these guys, they won't give it up.

00:40:53.000 I mean, they can't seem to—they're continuing to push for censorship in Ireland.

00:40:57.000 I'll be there next month to fight on—to join our colleagues there who are defending free speech.

00:41:04.000 They're continuing to demand censorship in Brazil.

00:41:06.000 They're demanding these You know, these eye reading devices to invade our, you know, the drones in New York.

00:41:13.000 It's like they can't, the elites are sort of in a panic and they just seem like they want to gain control.

00:41:18.000 The mask mandates.

00:41:20.000 I mean, everywhere you look, it's like they can't seem to help themselves.

00:41:24.000 It's like the elites are run wild with this desire to gain some sort of control over a population that clearly is sick of it and doesn't want to be controlled anymore.

00:41:33.000 Clearly, as their drone story illustrates, the model that they are moving towards is a technologically advanced form of dictatorship that wears liberalism as its aesthetic.

00:41:46.000 Another component of their strategy is not reporting on threatening candidates like RFK.

00:41:54.000 Now, I remember when we did our free speech event, Where you looked most handsome.

00:41:59.000 You mentioned that there are areas where you and RFK don't align, which would be entirely necessary, plausible, possible and encouraging in a true democracy.

00:42:08.000 What do you think about the mainstream not reporting on his positive polling, even with them voters, Michael?

00:42:16.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that's, I mean, this is also part of the vicious cycle that I think that the establishment finds itself in, and they don't know how to get out, which is that the more out of control they feel, the more control they try to impose, and then the more of a populist backlash They inspire.

00:42:34.000 And then similarly, the more threatened they feel by outsider candidates like RFK, the less they'll cover him.

00:42:41.000 But then that undermines their credibility because, you know, for example, I just actually a few weeks ago when I was on my vacation on the East Coast, I was having this argument with somebody that's in the entertainment media telling me I should not cover RFK.

00:42:56.000 And there was another reporter there who was like, that's just absurd.

00:43:00.000 You can argue about how to cover it, but you have to cover these events.

00:43:05.000 So I think that the public sense in which they're not being given the right information, they're not being given the whole picture, just further undermines the credibility of what we call the mainstream media and further strengthens the insurgents like yourself and substackers like myself To kind of offer this alternative vision.

00:43:24.000 So in some ways I think it's a great, you know, it's a terrible time for democracy and free speech.

00:43:28.000 It's a great time for journalism and alternative media.

00:43:31.000 Do you think there's an obligation for us to move into either conventional electoral politics or look at new models of perhaps community or protest?

00:43:43.000 Do you think it's inevitable and necessary?

00:43:45.000 The community part, for sure.

00:43:47.000 I mean, you know, the best part of losing all your friends is making new ones.

00:43:50.000 And so for me, traveling around and meeting people that have been canceled, you know, the cancellation of artists and musicians continues, as you may have seen over the last few weeks.

00:44:01.000 I think that's, those are all the most interesting people in the world.

00:44:04.000 Anybody who has been, you know, publicly vilified and canceled, it builds character.

00:44:10.000 And so I think for me, that's a wonderful source of community and that's our movement.

00:44:15.000 And then in terms of politics, I hope so.

00:44:17.000 I mean, we need more outsiders to run, people who feel like it would be good for the democracy and for freedom to just be out there articulating authentic ideas, what they believe.

00:44:29.000 You know, honestly, whether or not they run, and I don't agree with Vivek about everything, but it sure is nice to see him out there saying things that people were unwilling or fearful to say, even people like Ron DeSantis, and to see Vivek saying them at least allows us to have the conversation.

00:44:45.000 Yeah, thanks man.

00:44:47.000 And okay, so is there anything else you want to say about your documentary, Thrown to the Wind?

00:44:53.000 Please, people should please watch it.

00:44:55.000 It's at public.substack.com, thrown to the winds.

00:45:01.000 And yeah, if you love the whales, if you care about the whales, you're going to love this documentary.

00:45:06.000 I hope, Michael, it's not some infatuation you have with their blowholes.

00:45:11.000 Now, Gareth has a question for you.

00:45:17.000 Hold on.

00:45:18.000 There we go.

00:45:23.000 Hi Michael, when we were talking about climate change it reminded me of an article you wrote about the Hawaii fires and I just had a question about that because what you wrote about was the immediate response of the mainstream media that it was down to climate change whereas actually some of the investigation in the article uncovered that Hawaiian Electric failed to clear flammable grasses from around the electric wires so this could be an infrastructure problem down to a kind of lack of funding and therefore The blame lying at kind of the heart of government rather than, you know, us all due to our negligence around climate.

00:45:59.000 I just wondered what your thoughts were around some of the kind of conspiracies when it gets to elitist land grabs and things like that.

00:46:05.000 Interestingly, Hawaiian Electric is the major shareholders of Blackrock and the Vandergaard Group.

00:46:10.000 So I wondered what you thought about that and how people arrived at those as are being dubbed conspiracy theories.

00:46:17.000 Yeah, well so first just on the main point, one thing we have to make sure people understand is that fires can be a healthy part of natural landscapes, so I oppose this thing of using fires to say every time there's a fire it's bad.

00:46:31.000 But definitely in the case of Maui, Hawaii, California, and Greece, You had preventable catastrophic fires occurring that could have been prevented had they cleared the areas around the electrical wires or stabilized the electrical poles in Maui, which we think fell and contributed to the fires.

00:46:51.000 Better fire preparedness, evacuation plans.

00:46:55.000 In terms of the conspiracy theories, I mean, definitely we know there was arson in Greece.

00:47:00.000 I mean, they announced they arrested over, I think it was 140 people in total.

00:47:05.000 You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain the incompetence that would go into not having good fire preparedness.

00:47:12.000 In other words, they didn't have good evacuation procedures in Lahaina and Maui, which I don't think would have been part of some conspiracy.

00:47:21.000 I don't think there was some conspiracy to kill people, for example.

00:47:24.000 And incompetence really does explain quite a bit, and much of that incompetence was driven by ideology, this idea that really we just heavy focus on Unboxing Chinese solar panels and making little solar panel projects all around Hawaii rather than doing this really boring work of clearing the area around the electrical wires and preparing people for catastrophe.

00:47:46.000 But I do think, you know, it's worth investigating.

00:47:48.000 I do think you need to have an investigation.

00:47:50.000 I mean, one of the things I think triggered conspiracy theories was that they had passed emergency rules in Hawaii To allow for more housing development because they had been, you know, red tape had stymied them.

00:48:04.000 There certainly were financial interests that are served every time you have one of these disasters.

00:48:08.000 But I think that's why you need investigations.

00:48:11.000 That's why I, for example, have been calling for a big investigation of COVID origins.

00:48:15.000 But I think in a lot of these cases, you need 9-11 type commissions.

00:48:19.000 To restore the public's confidence in government, because I think that really what is driving the conspiracy theories, accurately or inaccurately, is that nobody trusts the government.

00:48:29.000 Nobody trusts these guys, these politicians, and their relationships with really suspicious international groups like WEF or BlackRock and others who clearly have been pursuing a pretty anti-human, pro-scarcity agenda.

00:48:43.000 Michael Schellenberger, there will never be a day where I have anything but trust, except for love and certain erotic feelings that I may not communicate for you.

00:48:53.000 Thanks for joining us.

00:48:54.000 You can follow Michael's work on Substack and check out his film.

00:48:57.000 We'll post a link of that right now in both the locals and Rumble chat.

00:49:01.000 Thanks again, Michael.

00:49:02.000 Thanks for your time. 0.87

00:49:04.000 I'll see you in Ireland, you beautiful maniac.

00:49:04.000 Good to be with you, Russell.

00:49:07.000 On tomorrow's show, we've got Barry Weiss, independent journalist at The Free Press.

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00:50:17.000 Uh, hey, listen!

00:50:18.000 Have you seen when Tucker was talking to, uh... Victor Orban?

00:50:24.000 Who's still laughing about the barbershop.

00:50:25.000 And then the tablets and things.

00:50:25.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:27.000 All of it's pretty good, isn't it?

00:50:28.000 Victor Orban was talking to... Oh, Tucker, Tucker!

00:50:31.000 And, uh, it's come out...

00:50:33.000 He won't believe it.

00:50:33.000 Look, they're bloody well prolonging that war to turn a few quid.

00:50:37.000 Apparently, Biden's claims that Ukraine could defeat Russia is an out-and-out lie, and Biden himself knows it.

00:50:43.000 Is it possible that Donald Trump is the West's only hope for peace?

00:50:47.000 Here's the news.

00:50:48.000 No, baby, here's the effing news.

00:50:50.000 Oh, we might not be able to show you all of this because we've got to do Sam Harris.

00:50:53.000 If not, we'll post the whole thing straight after.

00:50:55.000 Here's the effing news.

00:50:56.000 Some of it. 1.00

00:51:00.000 This is the fucking news! 0.99

00:51:03.000 Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban told Tucker that any suggestion Ukraine could win the war against Russia is a lie, and that Donald Trump is the West's only hope. 0.99

00:51:14.000 So which one is true?

00:51:17.000 The war between Russia and Ukraine shows no sign of ending and indeed is escalating, funded yet still by American taxpayer dollars.

00:51:27.000 Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prime Minister, had a conversation with Tucker in which he said that Joe Biden's approach and prognosis are deceptive, dishonest and just plain wrong.

00:51:38.000 That there's no situation in which Ukraine can ever defeat Russia.

00:51:43.000 Now, Viktor Orban is a controversial figure.

00:51:45.000 Many people say he's, like, right-wing and that he's a dictator and all sorts of negative stuff.

00:51:50.000 And I wonder if we're at a point where we have to learn to separate and distinguish between people's cultural analysis of different political figures and the truth about war, particularly a conflict like this one between Russia and Ukraine, which has almost limitless potential to escalate and could literally involve everybody in the world eventually.

00:52:10.000 So let's have a look at that conversation between Tucker and Victor Orban and note these points.

00:52:14.000 He says the only way to end this conflict is by electing Donald Trump.

00:52:17.000 That's extraordinary when you've got people on the left saying that if Trump ever gets elected he'll be president for life, he'll never rescind the office, it's the worst thing that could ever happen to America.

00:52:26.000 And note as well that he says that this is ultimately an unwinnable war.

00:52:30.000 Ukraine can never beat Russia.

00:52:32.000 That side of it seems a lot less controversial to me.

00:52:35.000 Let's have a look at the conversation.

00:52:36.000 The view is that Ukraine is winning this war.

00:52:38.000 It doesn't sound like that's true.

00:52:41.000 No, it's a lie.

00:52:43.000 It's not just a misunderstanding.

00:52:44.000 It's a lie.

00:52:45.000 It's impossible.

00:52:47.000 Everybody who's in politics can understand the logic, the figures, the data.

00:52:51.000 No way.

00:52:52.000 Why is it impossible?

00:52:53.000 Because that way, the Ukrainians, the poor Ukrainians die every day. 1.00

00:52:57.000 Yes.

00:52:58.000 Hundreds and thousands, you know, so my heart is with them.

00:53:01.000 An early question to ask yourself is do you think that propaganda is a one-way street?

00:53:07.000 Or do you imagine that all sides use propaganda to convey the favourable perspective?

00:53:13.000 To bolster a narrative that is favourable to their agenda?

00:53:17.000 The establishment propaganda currently is Ukraine are winning this war.

00:53:22.000 Ultimately, Ukraine will be triumphant.

00:53:24.000 But I feel that those of us that have been alive a little while and been watching the news for a while and have maybe taken a glance at history are aware that Russia are a formidable foe and a nuclear superpower at that. 0.86

00:53:35.000 The idea that Russia can be defeated, that there's ever going to be a sort of a white flag moment from Putin is ridiculous.

00:53:40.000 So whatever your perspective is on Viktor Orban, whatever your perspective is on Tucker, whatever your perspective is on Donald Trump, almost you have to look at this conflict in isolation and assess it.

00:53:50.000 What's likely to happen here?

00:53:51.000 Who benefits from this escalating war?

00:53:54.000 Who benefits from us being told, oh Ukraine will win? 0.99

00:53:56.000 And one way of diagnosing this beyond their own personal prejudices and biases is to look at what we were told at the beginning of this conflict and what we are being told now.

00:54:04.000 What were we told at the very start?

00:54:07.000 How long it would last, what it would cost, what the likely outcomes are?

00:54:10.000 And have those things proven to be true?

00:54:12.000 So it's tragedy.

00:54:14.000 It's tragedy for Ukraine.

00:54:16.000 But they will run out earlier from the soldiers, number of soldiers, than the Russians.

00:54:21.000 What finally will count is boots on the ground.

00:54:27.000 It's almost a historical cliché to cite that in the Napoleonic Wars, France were unable to ultimately conquer Russia because there were too many Russians.

00:54:41.000 And in the Second World War, Hitler's armies were unable to conquer Russia because, in the end, Stalin would just limitlessly use human resources to prevent Russia being overwhelmed.

00:54:52.000 Is there a vision for what a Ukrainian victory looks like here?

00:54:56.000 Is there a vision for, alright, and then there's the bit where Putin goes, bloody hell, enough's enough, okay, I surrender.

00:55:00.000 There's a clear disjunct between what we're being told and the reality.

00:55:04.000 So whatever propaganda is true from the, sort of, Russia today, Russian perspective, Clearly there's propaganda on behalf of the Biden administration as well.

00:55:13.000 Let's have a look at this in more detail.

00:55:15.000 According to the Washington Post, Viktor Orban is Vladimir Putin's closest ally in the EU.

00:55:20.000 He has refused to allow the transfer of Western weapons across Hungary's shared border with Ukraine and called for an immediate ceasefire and peace talks in the conflict, but without providing a vision of what that would mean for Ukraine's territorial integrity.

00:55:32.000 Ukraine's territorial integrity is obviously important but is now subject to complex diplomatic negotiations.

00:55:39.000 And Viktor Orban, having already been smeared as a fascist and as a right-wing person and all the various things that you're probably aware of, I think has to be looked at separately from whether or not peace is the desired outcome and whether militarism is going to bring out a favourable solution for anyone It's interesting to bring to the forefront the question of what post-war Ukraine looks like because we know that Zelensky's vision is deals with Black Rock, carve up Ukraine, make it a place that's impossible to unionize, where workers have minimal rights and financial interests of the West are able to exploit

00:56:14.000 The newly liberated or at least newly colonized Ukrainian territory.

00:56:20.000 This is not conspiracy theory stuff.

00:56:22.000 Zelensky's gone on the telly and said, thank you, Black Rock, for all of it.

00:56:25.000 And that's when he's in America.

00:56:26.000 That's what they're talking about.

00:56:27.000 So the vision they're presenting is a globalist, corporatist post-war Ukraine. 0.62

00:56:33.000 Now, I don't think that the vision for how Ukraine is organised is any of my business, and I'm sure a lot of you share that opinion, in which case, why are American taxpayers paying for this conflict that appears to be leading to a vision that's globalist and corporatist, you could say, certainly on the basis of the Black Rock deal, and the basis of Ukrainian workers aren't going to have the right to unionise.

00:56:51.000 It doesn't seem very pro-Ukrainian to me.

00:56:52.000 Let me know what you think in the comments.

00:56:54.000 Fresh from a trip to Kiev, Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal is arguing that the US is getting its money's worth in Ukraine because Russia is taking losses and no Americans are dying, showing a lack of concern for Ukrainian lives.

00:57:06.000 How many of you thought that when this conflict began, what we're ultimately seeing is the evolution of the American war model?

00:57:12.000 Where supporting foreign territories in their conflict against American enemies is preferable to wars where American troops are going to be involved and ultimately killed.

00:57:23.000 Even Americans who have no particular interest in freedom and independence in democracies worldwide should be satisfied that we're getting our money's worth on our Ukraine investment, Blumenthal wrote in the Connecticut Post.

00:57:34.000 That's a pretty cynical way of discussing a conflict which is leading to death and decimation in a country that really doesn't evolve America except for, I would argue, their economic and imperialist interests.

00:57:45.000 For less than 3% of our nation's military budget, we've enabled Ukraine to degrade Russia's military strength by half, all without a single American servicewoman or man injured or lost, he added.

00:57:55.000 I would say that that's a pretty cynical outlook and reveals plainly what the mentality is.

00:58:00.000 We're fighting a proxy war using Ukrainian lives. 0.96

00:58:04.000 It's an investment.

00:58:06.000 We're depleting the resources of our enemy.

00:58:08.000 That's not what we were told in the beginning.

00:58:10.000 We were told that it's a criminal invasion by Putin.

00:58:12.000 We have to defend Ukraine.

00:58:13.000 Put a flag in your window.

00:58:15.000 That it was a moral crusade.

00:58:17.000 The argument has become a common talking point among hawks in Washington who want the US to keep fueling the proxy war against Russia.

00:58:24.000 Senator Mitt Romney recently called the conflict the best national defence spending I think we've ever done.

00:58:30.000 We're losing no lives in Ukraine and the Ukrainians are fighting heroically against Russia, Romney said.

00:58:35.000 We're diminishing and devastating the Russian military for a very small amount of money.

00:58:39.000 A weakened Russia is a good thing. 1.00

00:58:40.000 So I suppose at least the agenda is becoming explicit.

00:58:43.000 This is a proxy war where we avoid the unpopular event of American lives being lost.

00:58:50.000 Post-Vietnam, it has been decreed that America should not get involved in foreign wars that are none of their business because American families don't like to see their loved ones returning in body bags.

00:59:02.000 The Middle Eastern conflicts, notably Iraq, seemed like an attempt to reboot that foreign policy model, sending American troops to countries that, to some degree, are none of their business, and certainly wars that are not undertaken for the reasons that were offered at the war's inauguration.

00:59:18.000 This, though, seems like a pretty refined model.

00:59:21.000 No Americans are going to die, American taxpayers are going to pay for it, but Ukrainians are going to do the dying on your behalf, and American opponents are going to be weakened. 1.00

00:59:30.000 It still, for me, seems like something that should be subject to democratic process.

00:59:33.000 Whether or not you want to fund ongoing foreign wars is something I'd like a yes-no tick to.

00:59:39.000 Despite the lack of success on the battlefield, the Biden administration and most members of Congress want to keep funding the war, which they acknowledge would not continue without US support.

00:59:47.000 So it's a war that would stop if you stopped paying for it.

00:59:50.000 As Zelensky is frank and forthcoming to say, Ukraine could not have survived without America and our allies, Blumenthal said.

00:59:57.000 But his counteroffensive is far from an assured success.

01:00:00.000 In the end, the only way he loses is if America pulls the plug.

01:00:03.000 I don't think anyone's advocating for abandoning Ukraine to the horrors of war, but America could use their considerable might to advance the diplomatic process.

01:00:13.000 Even Donald Trump in his most cavalier announcement said, I would say, negotiate now, come to a solution around the disputed ethnic territories, or we're going to arm Ukraine to the teeth ad infinitum.

01:00:26.000 Even that suggests that there is a diplomatic outcome is favoured, that peace should be the prize that all sides are pulling towards.

01:00:34.000 The Washington Post recently reported that U.S.

01:00:36.000 intelligence has determined Ukraine's counteroffensive will fail to meet its main objective of severing Russia's land bridge to Crimea.

01:00:42.000 Despite the conclusion, U.S.

01:00:44.000 is pushing Ukrainian commanders to go harder on the battlefield and complaining that Ukraine has become too casualty averse.

01:00:50.000 Leading up to the counteroffensive, the Discord leaks and other media reports showed the U.S.

01:00:55.000 did not believe Ukraine could regain significant territory.

01:00:58.000 But the Biden administration still pushed for the assault and rejected the idea of a ceasefire. 0.98

01:01:03.000 Never mind these hypocritical, corrupt, propagandist wars. 0.98

01:01:06.000 They're getting on my nerves and they're bringing me down. 0.99

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01:01:41.000 Now let's go back to this horrific, terrible, unnecessary, dreadful, bloody war that can't be won because Russia are a serious country that will not stop. 1.00

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01:02:07.000 Now let's get back to this dreadful, unnecessary, unwinnable war.

01:02:11.000 Are you noticing how common it has become to have significant government officials and figures, right up to the president in this case, say one thing publicly like, this counter-offensive is going to be a success, we're going to win this war against Russia.

01:02:22.000 While probably saying, there's no way we can win this war against Russia. 0.85

01:02:25.000 So that tells you that all this jingoism and positivism is propaganda.

01:02:30.000 If they don't believe that this war can be won militarily, why not immediately move towards peace talks?

01:02:38.000 Why not make that the conditions for ongoing support?

01:02:40.000 What's clear is there is another agenda that's not being expressed because the leaks have revealed that.

01:02:45.000 So that's an extraordinary number of lives.

01:02:46.000 Ukrainian and Russian troops killed or wounded since the war in Ukraine began

01:02:50.000 18 months ago is nearly 500,000, US officials said. So that's an extraordinary

01:02:54.000 number of lives. I can't even sort of really conceptualize that.

01:02:57.000 I can't really take that into my heart.

01:02:58.000 It's too vast of a number.

01:03:00.000 It's too big of a tragedy.

01:03:01.000 It's too significant of a subject.

01:03:03.000 The only way I can tackle it is through the way that the media are handling it, the way that the narrative is being threaded and spun.

01:03:10.000 I can't deal with the actual reality that what's being funded here is the deaths of 500,000 people, the ruination of 500,000 families' lives, the devastation of communities.

01:03:20.000 So I'm not glib about what's happening to Ukrainian people.

01:03:25.000 I can't even take on board the scale of that tragedy.

01:03:27.000 Who among us, other than those of you that have got military experience, can?

01:03:31.000 What I'm suggesting is that the role of the US government should be advocating for diplomacy and peace, using their military might to ensure that that is the favoured outcome, rather than it looks to me like exploiting the situation in order to weaken Russia and to generate profit for both the military-industrial complex and companies like BlackRock.

01:03:48.000 In the post-war environment.

01:03:49.000 Seems like that's the real agenda to me.

01:03:51.000 Let me know in the comments if you agree.

01:03:52.000 The White House recently asked Congress to approve a $40 billion bill that includes nearly a $24 billion for additional spending on the war in Ukraine.

01:04:00.000 Congressionally approved aid for Ukraine has so far cost each American household hundreds of dollars.

01:04:05.000 The formal aid packages alone amount to a staggering $113 billion, roughly $900 per American household.

01:04:12.000 And there's the implication that it could be higher than that because it's concealed and mitigated and managed in ways that are difficult to discern.

01:04:18.000 So, if what they're saying publicly is not what they're saying privately, why is this conflict continuing and how should we take on board what Victor Orban has told Tucker?

01:04:30.000 So this strategy that we are just supporting is a bad engineering of the strategy.

01:04:36.000 To understand the Russians it's a difficult thing, especially if you have an ocean between you and Russia.

01:04:45.000 So when we speak about politics, I mean Westerners, what is the focus point of our conversation?

01:04:51.000 The focus point is freedom.

01:04:54.000 How to provide more and more freedom to the people.

01:04:57.000 Yes.

01:04:59.000 When you speak on politics in Russia, this is not the number one issue.

01:05:03.000 the number one issue how to keep together the country because the country is very big and

01:05:08.000 and and there's a privilege of the question how to keep together the country and not freedom.

01:05:13.000 Freedom is just another issue second third whatever first keep the country together.

01:05:17.000 I suppose what Viktor Orban is describing there is an entirely different set of principles that

01:05:25.000 freedom is something that we're continually discussing here on our channel.

01:05:29.000 Stay free.

01:05:30.000 The catchphrase and name of our entire endeavour.

01:05:33.000 America is built on the principle of liberty.

01:05:36.000 Recently I heard the quote, those who never move seldom feel their chains.

01:05:42.000 I query more and more how free we actually are.

01:05:44.000 But what Orban is telling us is that's not even part of the cultural conversation in Russia.

01:05:49.000 What they think about is the identity of the nation and keeping it together.

01:05:52.000 That's an entirely different mindset and one that probably tends more towards militarism, is willing to endure suffering and sacrifice, is not thinking about The individual needs of the members of that nation, but he's thinking of the nation as a whole.

01:06:09.000 I think that's obviously a pretty significant point.

01:06:12.000 And that generates a different kind of culture and understanding of politics.

01:06:16.000 That creates a kind of military approach, like they have.

01:06:20.000 Always on security, safety, buffer zone, geopolitical approaches.

01:06:24.000 It's not our culture, it's a different approach.

01:06:27.000 It's legitimate to have that, because it's their history.

01:06:29.000 One of the critiques that's being offered is that Russia is a militaristic nation.

01:06:33.000 And Viktor Orban's saying they have a completely different perspective.

01:06:36.000 A perspective that's based on defence and keeping the country together.

01:06:40.000 And he offers that America is interested in freedom.

01:06:42.000 Now culturally, whether you're on the left or the right, Freedom is what we all talk about, the freedom to be who you are as an individual.

01:06:48.000 That's basically the argument of both the SJW left and the right-wing libertarian.

01:06:54.000 But the truth is that this idea of individual and cultural freedom within America is often leveraged for expansionism, for colonialism, for imperialism, Look at how many nations around the world America involved in either supporting conflicts or droning or bombing or have troops stationed there.

01:07:09.000 What's that got to do with your individual freedom?

01:07:11.000 Oh, we're doing that so you can have your individual freedom and stuff.

01:07:14.000 That's what we're doing.

01:07:15.000 Are you sure?

01:07:16.000 Are you sure that America isn't much more militaristic than Russia? 0.77

01:07:19.000 Colonial, imperialist, but not in the old school British way of colonialism, waving a flag for a queen, but in order to support a kind of invisible, difficult to discern, corporate globalist agenda and uses militarism to advance that while telling the domestic population it's all about freedom.

01:07:34.000 Because how does any of this improve your individual freedom?

01:07:38.000 But we have to understand that we cannot beat them as we do just now.

01:07:42.000 It's impossible.

01:07:43.000 They will not kill their leader.

01:07:45.000 They will never give it up.

01:07:46.000 They will keep together the country and they will defend it.

01:07:50.000 So they're not going to get sick of Putin and throw him out?

01:08:00.000 Come on, it's a joke.

01:08:01.000 Our propaganda is always telling us that Putin's on the edge. 1.00

01:08:04.000 Either he's going to shit himself to death, or one of his various diseases is going to kill him, or one of his opponents is going to kill him, or the CIA are going to kill him. 0.99

01:08:11.000 But this guy's version is, that's not going to happen. 0.99

01:08:14.000 And when you think of what happens when people even suggest they might kill Putin, they end up dead fast In a plane!

01:08:20.000 How would you approach that?

01:08:22.000 What would it look like, the settlement?

01:08:24.000 First, you should admit, probably publicly acknowledging, that the key is in your hand.

01:08:32.000 So if United States would like to have a peace, next morning there is a peace.

01:08:38.000 Because it's obvious that the Ukrainians, the poor Ukrainians on their own, they are not competitive in this war.

01:08:44.000 That's amazing.

01:08:44.000 It's sort of true that America is super powerful and that's a kind of a good thing.

01:08:48.000 That means if you had an America that was guided by the will of its people and the will of the people was peace around the world, less military expansionism, then you could have a peaceful solution.

01:08:59.000 But that does require the acknowledgement that this war is only continuing because of American involvement.

01:09:04.000 This American involvement is being equated with protecting Ukrainian people.

01:09:07.000 But how many of us really believe that's the agenda and not the support of the military-industrial complex, the ability to rebuild it with BlackRock?

01:09:15.000 Who believes, if you live in America right now, that the function of the American government, the function of the globalist corporate cartel, is your well-being?

01:09:25.000 Is that how it seems to be playing out?

01:09:26.000 Is that how Afghanistan played out?

01:09:27.000 Is that how Iraq played out?

01:09:29.000 America can use its power to either continue the war or bring about peace.

01:09:33.000 A decision is being made to continue the war and propagandise the population into believing that's the moral and right thing to do. 0.82

01:09:40.000 But you have to ask yourselves, is it?

01:09:42.000 So if there is no money and there is no equipment from the West and especially from the United States, the war is over.

01:09:48.000 Yes.

01:09:49.000 Yes.

01:09:49.000 So if you were in charge of NATO, if you were, say, Joe Biden, what would your next move be in the war in Ukraine?

01:09:55.000 But you will solve it.

01:09:56.000 United States can do it.

01:09:57.000 Nobody else.

01:09:58.000 It's not the solution for the Ukrainians. 1.00

01:10:00.000 Of course, it's about Ukrainians. 0.98

01:10:01.000 They cannot be neglected.

01:10:03.000 They must be involved.

01:10:04.000 But the real factor is not Ukraine.

01:10:06.000 The real factor is intention of United States.

01:10:08.000 Yes.

01:10:09.000 So if you were in charge of NATO, if you were, say, Joe Biden,

01:10:13.000 what would your next move be in the war in Ukraine?

01:10:15.000 What would you do?

01:10:17.000 Peace.

01:10:17.000 Immediately.

01:10:19.000 Call back Trump.

01:10:20.000 That's the only way out.

01:10:22.000 This is where, obviously, Viktor Orban has a sort of an ideological alliance with Donald Trump.

01:10:26.000 But you have to also say Donald Trump does keep coming on TV saying, there would be peace, 24 hours peace, don't bring about peace.

01:10:33.000 So Trump, whether you like him or not, does want an immediate peaceful resolution.

01:10:38.000 And once you've looked at all of the available data, what do you think is the best way?

01:10:43.000 Oh, let's continue this until Russia what?

01:10:45.000 Until Russia what?

01:10:46.000 Call back Trump.

01:10:47.000 Call back Trump.

01:10:48.000 Because, you know, you can criticize him for many reasons.

01:10:52.000 I understand all the discussion.

01:10:54.000 But, you know, the best foreign policy of the recent several decades belonged to him.

01:11:03.000 He did not initiate any new war.

01:11:06.000 Yes.

01:11:07.000 He treated nicely the North Koreans and Russia, even the Chinese, you know.

01:11:15.000 He delivered a policy which was the best one for Middle East, Abraham Accords. 1.00

01:11:21.000 Yes.

01:11:21.000 So that was a very good foreign policy.

01:11:25.000 He's criticized that he's not educated enough to understand the world, but this is not the case.

01:11:32.000 Facts count.

01:11:33.000 And his foreign policy was the best one for the world in the last several decades I have seen.

01:11:38.000 And if he would have been the president at the moment of the Russian invasion started, no, it would be not possible to do that by the Russians.

01:11:47.000 If you already like Trump, then you already believe that.

01:11:50.000 What I think's important is that people that dislike Trump, extract Trump from that set of data, didn't initiate wars.

01:11:58.000 I know that they would have a, no, nobody did this and he said that and he did this.

01:12:01.000 But at the moment we're talking about this issue, potential Third World War, potential nuclear Armageddon, corrupt wars continuing in order to generate profit and generate power and to advance American interests when in fact they're saying it's for humanitarian reasons.

01:12:15.000 On this issue, if you extract the orange shadow of Trump, it seems like what he's doing and what he's suggesting would be better in this instance.

01:12:24.000 So Trump is the man who can save the Western world and probably the human beings in the globe as well.

01:12:31.000 That's my personal conviction.

01:12:33.000 So there you have it.

01:12:33.000 I suppose you have to ask yourself, is this war winnable by Ukraine backed by America?

01:12:39.000 How much will it escalate?

01:12:41.000 At what point do you envisage that Russia would surrender?

01:12:44.000 What is the Biden administration's vision for a successful conclusion to this war?

01:12:49.000 And perhaps more importantly than any of that, What would Trump do?

01:12:52.000 Well, Trump has told us, I would bring about peace in 24 hours, I'd say we'd back Ukraine to the hill. 0.81

01:12:56.000 So, I suppose what we have to look at is the facts around this war, regardless of our political biases, and ask ourselves some questions about what kind of America and what kind of world do we want to live in?

01:13:07.000 Where wars are conducted in order to advance particular interests, while meanwhile we're sold the idea that they're humanitarian?

01:13:13.000 Or are we sick and tired of that particular lie?

01:13:16.000 Are we willing to analyse politics from an entirely different perspective, putting aside old prejudices in order to reach new conclusions?

01:13:23.000 I don't know.

01:13:24.000 I'm on this journey with you.

01:13:26.000 What I will say is when it comes to the particular issue of the Russia-Ukraine war, I agree with Viktor Orban.

01:13:31.000 Russia are not going to lose that war without causing annihilation and devastation. 1.00

01:13:35.000 And I believe that peace now has got to be the best solution.

01:13:39.000 But that's just what I think.

01:13:40.000 Let me know what you think in the chat.

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