Stay Free - Russel Brand - WTF! Lockheed Martin Sponsor Pride!? Plus, Marianne Williamson - #148 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:00:48.000 Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.

00:00:50.000 We've got a great show today.

00:00:50.000 Thanks for joining me.

00:00:51.000 Marianne Williamson's on the show.

00:00:53.000 You know, she's standing for president in the Democrat Party. 0.98

00:00:56.000 We're going to be talking to her about the issues that matter.

00:00:59.000 We're not going to get bound up in the narratives of the left, are we?

00:01:02.000 We're going to, in fact, direct her towards populist, libertarian and anarchist arguments about systemic corruption and the failure of power.

00:01:02.000 No.

00:01:11.000 Then, Joe, what I'm going to do sometimes Gareth, my on-screen assistant, and my friend, my co-conspirator, I'm going to keep stitching in the spirituality from which she made her fame and fortune.

00:01:23.000 Because you know that Marianne Williamson, I think she interpreted a book called the Book of Miracles, which claims that it's a message from Jesus.

00:01:31.000 You've heard him, let me know in the chat, the comments.

00:01:33.000 He re-engaged with someone and offered a new prophecy, like an update.

00:01:37.000 Wow.

00:01:38.000 People say that from time to time, don't they?

00:01:39.000 Jesus 2.0.

00:01:41.000 That's what sometimes people offer, because that's what the Mormon guy was saying, Joseph Smith.

00:01:44.000 Yeah.

00:01:45.000 I've had a chat with Jesus.

00:01:46.000 He's given me these plates.

00:01:47.000 Can we see them?

00:01:48.000 No.

00:01:49.000 Right.

00:01:50.000 Well, straight away, I wonder if the plates are even there.

00:01:53.000 Anyway, we're going to be talking about that.

00:01:54.000 We've got a fantastic presentation for you where we have a deeper look at a new story that I didn't even tell you about because it would surprise you.

00:02:01.000 We'll be talking about Rand Paul and how the Republican Party are beating the drums for an ongoing war Let me know in the comments and the chat if there's anyone in American politics who doesn't want a war with someone.

00:02:19.000 I'm gonna ask Marianne Williamson who she wants a war with. 0.97

00:02:21.000 I'm gonna ask her about that.

00:02:22.000 Do you want a war with somebody?

00:02:23.000 Is that why you're here?

00:02:24.000 I'm actually going to be nice to her.

00:02:25.000 I know her and I've met her several times, so politeness.

00:02:28.000 Anyway, our country, England, is ever so hot and the military are struggling to deal with it.

00:02:34.000 Look at this display of pageantry.

00:02:38.000 Watch a loyal Kingsguard so committed to his duties that he attempts to continue to play the trombone while he is unconscious and on the floor.

00:02:48.000 Because I know some people who play the French horn We'll give up the slightest obstacle.

00:02:53.000 It's Gareth Roy who wouldn't play it in Sydney Opera House just because he didn't have the right type of little fissile thing in it or something, wasn't it?

00:02:58.000 That's right, yeah.

00:02:58.000 That's the correct word.

00:02:59.000 Let's have a look at the Kings Guards.

00:03:01.000 He's still going and that's good and overcome the stretchers.

00:03:10.000 The other lads, though, they've been told, like, just, if ever, they must be a bit in the training, but they go, if ever one of you falls over, just act like it's not happening.

00:03:19.000 Nothing.

00:03:20.000 Yeah.

00:03:20.000 We've got to presume that it didn't start like this.

00:03:25.000 Mate, get up. 0.99

00:03:27.000 There's literally nothing in our training that suggests that you should do this laying down on the gravel.

00:03:32.000 Hey, I'm a maverick.

00:03:33.000 I'll play my trombone down on the ground.

00:03:35.000 Ba-da-ba-ba-boom! 0.60

00:03:37.000 🎵 There's already someone else who's been carried off,

00:03:45.000 he's been going on all day.

00:03:46.000 Cancel the concert!

00:03:47.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:48.000 How much do we really need this?

00:03:49.000 I mean, it's very nice and everything.

00:03:51.000 It's not even that good, is it?

00:03:52.000 It feels like they're making it up.

00:03:54.000 All music sounds like that.

00:03:57.000 You know, when they're not trying.

00:03:59.000 I'm in indictment of all music, then.

00:04:01.000 All music?

00:04:02.000 Wait for it.

00:04:03.000 From Eminem to Bach.

00:04:05.000 Sounds like that.

00:04:06.000 No, I mean like brass band.

00:04:07.000 Right.

00:04:08.000 There's always a bit like... I mean, you're doing the same song.

00:04:12.000 Right.

00:04:12.000 See?

00:04:13.000 I can do it!

00:04:13.000 You don't see me fainting, do you?

00:04:15.000 Anyway, they're doing it to the point where people are passing out.

00:04:18.000 Now this is good. This tells you a lot about institutions.

00:04:21.000 The stretcher folk come running over.

00:04:23.000 He's up now. He's over it.

00:04:25.000 They're unwilling to accept the reality has changed.

00:04:27.000 This is like the mainstream media.

00:04:28.000 This is like the mainstream political system.

00:04:30.000 They can't accept that things have changed.

00:04:32.000 They're trying to carry on as if people haven't awakened.

00:04:34.000 Look what happens when they come over the stretchers to a man who doesn't need a stretcher

00:04:38.000 because he's standing up playing a trumpet in a delightful hat.

00:04:42.000 -♪♪ -♪♪

00:04:55.000 you Back down on your stretcher.

00:04:58.000 I don't need a stretcher.

00:04:59.000 I'm playing a trombone.

00:05:00.000 He probably can't even remember that he fell over.

00:05:01.000 Of course he can't.

00:05:02.000 Does that ever happen to you when you're playing the French horn?

00:05:04.000 No, it's not happened to me before.

00:05:05.000 Stayed upright.

00:05:06.000 I've had to wear one of those hats though.

00:05:08.000 Yeah, that can't be helping and the chin strap.

00:05:10.000 Right, so now what they're trying to do is, what exactly are they doing?

00:05:13.000 They're still in their mind, he should be on a stretcher.

00:05:16.000 They're struggling to let go of that.

00:05:17.000 This is like in a football match when someone goes down injured and then gets up and then the stretcher people come on and go, Go on.

00:05:23.000 Get back on the stretcher.

00:05:24.000 It's embarrassing.

00:05:24.000 I can't.

00:05:25.000 I'll just walk off.

00:05:25.000 I'm up now.

00:05:26.000 Yeah.

00:05:27.000 I'll walk off.

00:05:28.000 And then they try to treat him like he is the stretcher.

00:05:31.000 They can't let go of the concept of the stretcher.

00:05:33.000 🎵 They're actually hindering him, I think now, dragging him

00:05:47.000 by his arm.

00:05:47.000 What have they got all those medals for?

00:05:49.000 Wars that they pretended were still happening and participating, even though this was for the Falklands.

00:05:53.000 That's World War II.

00:05:54.000 We just carried on as if the war was rolling on.

00:05:57.000 Don't mean to be mean to the military.

00:05:58.000 I respect you all and all that.

00:05:59.000 Also, it is like football.

00:06:01.000 They've got a substitute.

00:06:02.000 Yeah, right.

00:06:02.000 You, in you come.

00:06:03.000 What, another geezer just stepped in? 0.82

00:06:05.000 A guy just walked in.

00:06:06.000 I bet he's miming.

00:06:07.000 They can't have another truck.

00:06:08.000 How many back-up trombones do they have?

00:06:10.000 How much does this happen?

00:06:12.000 Right, we're going to need 100 trombone players and 200 stretchers.

00:06:17.000 400 stretcher bearers. 0.94

00:06:18.000 It's ridiculous.

00:06:19.000 What I think is happening now, and you tell me if you agree, you watching at home, let me know in the chat and the comments. 0.82

00:06:23.000 He starts acting as if he ain't well.

00:06:26.000 Like, watch this.

00:06:27.000 See, I think he's putting on at this point.

00:06:30.000 Oh, I'm woozy.

00:06:32.000 He's fine by that point.

00:06:34.000 He's over it.

00:06:34.000 Yeah.

00:06:35.000 He's back to his fine best.

00:06:35.000 He's back to normal.

00:06:36.000 God bless you.

00:06:37.000 It's almost like Her Majesty was still with us.

00:06:39.000 Would you see that sort of fortitude and spirit?

00:06:41.000 That's right.

00:06:42.000 Good, innit?

00:06:43.000 Although, you know, it's complicated, isn't it?

00:06:45.000 War, armies, all that, royal families, trombones.

00:06:48.000 The whole thing's very complicated, I'd say.

00:06:51.000 Hey, guess who wants an endless war?

00:06:53.000 Everybody!

00:06:54.000 Republican senators are introducing an endless war act.

00:06:57.000 Rand Paul's announced that his colleagues are beating the drums for a war with China.

00:07:00.000 Hopefully they're not playing the trombones. 1.00

00:07:02.000 They'll pass out and they'll need to be resurrected, poor fools. 0.99

00:07:05.000 Which bit's more interesting? 0.99

00:07:06.000 So I've got... Rand Paul, actually, in this case, is...

00:07:11.000 Very positive.

00:07:12.000 So he's introducing an end endless wars act.

00:07:15.000 He wants to end endless wars?

00:07:17.000 That's it.

00:07:18.000 So what's so amazing about this is that the idea of endless wars is something that's like, no, hang on, I'm not sure we should debate this, whether to end endless wars.

00:07:29.000 I have this idea.

00:07:30.000 End endless wars.

00:07:31.000 Hmm.

00:07:32.000 Well, let's look at the pros and cons.

00:07:35.000 In the pros column, I like endless wars.

00:07:37.000 They're very, very profitable.

00:07:39.000 I mean, is it any wonder that war has become acceptable, that war undergirds the American economy, when even in an event that ought to be and used to be counter-cultural, like Gay Pride, it's Gay Pride Month, Lockheed Martin are allowed to sponsor Gay Pride? 0.84

00:07:39.000 Yeah. 0.84

00:07:58.000 I love the gays.

00:08:00.000 I love the LGBTQ plus community.

00:08:02.000 I think everyone should be who they want to be and in a consensual way.

00:08:05.000 Be who you are.

00:08:06.000 Glory, glory unto the limitless God to all acceptable and lovable as you are.

00:08:09.000 Got no time for any prejudice or bigotry.

00:08:11.000 Separates us, divides us, plunges us into despair and needless conflict. 0.96

00:08:16.000 But I don't think that Lockheed Martin, who make weapons that kill people, should be sponsoring gay pride. 1.00

00:08:22.000 But they are though. 0.86

00:08:22.000 Have a look. 0.86

00:08:36.000 No.

00:08:37.000 Like, you know, it's not Coca-Cola.

00:08:38.000 Oh, you have any idea of the impact they're having in Latin America with their union busting or a hotel chain?

00:08:45.000 They won't pay minimum wage.

00:08:46.000 This is Lockheed Martin that literally make weapons that rain down on Yemeni children.

00:08:51.000 It's about as overt as it gets, isn't it?

00:08:54.000 What else could it be?

00:08:55.000 If you're accepting sponsorship from Lockheed Martin, what would be unacceptable?

00:09:00.000 Let me know in the chat and the comments. 0.95

00:09:01.000 I mean, if you're taking Lockheed Martin's money, our Lockheed Martin, we are committed to making bombs with people that have sex with whoever they want. 0.93

00:09:12.000 We don't care about that. 0.96

00:09:13.000 It looks so ridiculous in the same way as the Ending Endless Wars Act would be discussed as maybe not a thing that we should do.

00:09:23.000 We've got to such a mad point now.

00:09:25.000 Who opposed it?

00:09:26.000 Lockheed Martin.

00:09:27.000 Well, it's only a few Republican senators that are proposing it.

00:09:31.000 Clearly outsiders!

00:09:32.000 We talked about it recently, so this was the Authorisation for the Use of Military Force Act, which was signed in 2001, which is the most bipartisan bill to ever take place.

00:09:41.000 As in, the most amount of both Republicans and Democrats voted for this thing, under George Bush, to basically go in and use this ability to go to war with anyone.

00:09:50.000 I remember that, because Joe Biden said, we've brought Democrats and Republicans together.

00:09:54.000 Oh, well done.

00:09:55.000 What for?

00:09:56.000 More war!

00:09:57.000 And endless war, and endless funding for war, and the ability to use the Emergency Act to perpetuate war.

00:10:03.000 That's hardly a victory, is it?

00:10:04.000 Let us know in the chat and comments.

00:10:05.000 So, Rand Paul and a few renegades from the right, is that true?

00:10:08.000 Yeah, it is.

00:10:09.000 It's from the right at the moment, which again, you get to this point where now it's Republicans.

00:10:13.000 Obviously, at that point of George Bush, it was Republicans that were Well, it was both sides.

00:10:17.000 But now it's Rand Paul.

00:10:17.000 It was both sides.

00:10:19.000 Rand Paul is also talking about the fact that fellow Republicans are banging the drums for war with China.

00:10:24.000 So he really is someone who's coming out there and challenging the military-industrial complex and the foreign policy of the United States.

00:10:33.000 that the Republican Party are meaningfully and significantly better than the Democrat Party

00:10:37.000 or vice versa? Or do you believe now that you need a new independent movement both in media

00:10:42.000 and in politics that unites people from across the political spectrum to challenge elite

00:10:47.000 establishment power? If you have a situation where Lockheed Martin is sponsoring gay pride,

00:10:52.000 where it takes people from the right to campaign against war, how do you...

00:10:56.000 Haven't all the categories gone all muddled up into some sort of swirling chaos, some nonsense that creates conflict among us and actually perpetuates the ability of the elite establishment to regulate in the way that it likes and profit in the way that it has become accustomed to.

00:11:13.000 And is independent media a significant part of the solution to that?

00:11:19.000 Now, we know people over the Daily Wire, I've been on Ben Shapiro's show, I've met Candice Owen before, but I think the conversations I've had with both of them have been really based around the differences we have Politically, that sometimes I think there's a lack of, what do I want to call it, compassion and empathy in some of the arguments that they advance.

00:11:38.000 Let me just put it that way.

00:11:40.000 But I also believe that they should have the right to be on YouTube.

00:11:44.000 Are they being censored?

00:11:45.000 Have they faced strike?

00:11:47.000 Be monetized.

00:11:48.000 This is related to conversations around gender.

00:11:50.000 I think these are specifically around that and YouTube guidelines have changed again with regard to that.

00:11:56.000 So I think Jeremy Boring's position on this is that YouTube have again kind of changed their guidelines and eliminated certain things that, you know, can't be talked about anymore.

00:12:05.000 I don't think powerful corporations care.

00:12:08.000 about stuff like that. Yeah. That's what I think. I don't think, let me know in the chat in the comments,

00:12:12.000 do you think that Lockheed Martin, when they're making all their missiles and they're doing their

00:12:15.000 projections and they're lobbying for ongoing conflict, also really care about LGBTQ plus

00:12:22.000 issues? Or do you think they go, oh this is a contemporary matter that we can, same as Budweiser,

00:12:26.000 do you think the Budweiser care about anything other than selling the maximum amount of Bud Light?

00:12:32.000 And if you... Why would they?

00:12:34.000 And how could they?

00:12:35.000 And in a way, why should they?

00:12:36.000 So it's obviously perfectly... It's ludicrous and cynical to imagine that political issues cross over with these... I mean, how can there be a connection between missiles that are blowing up kids around the world, and even if they're being legitimately used in just wars?

00:12:52.000 What the hell's it got to do?

00:12:53.000 Why are you trying to mangle together some weird way of life based on corporate interests and liberalism towards cultural issues?

00:13:01.000 It's really odd.

00:13:02.000 It doesn't make sense.

00:13:03.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:13:04.000 I guess there's a hypocrisy.

00:13:05.000 I mean, obviously, you know, discussing, you know, gender identity and things is something that, you know, you wouldn't want to in any way make anyone Feel uncomfortable with at all in the kind of content that we create but I guess maybe the hypocrisy there is well, you can have Lockheed Martin Sponsor gay pride and yet this you know, and yet the Daily Y will be censored on YouTube

00:13:30.000 That's an odd set of priorities.

00:13:32.000 If you're watching us on Rumble now, press the red button and join us on Locals and let us know.

00:13:32.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:13:37.000 Are you gay or trans?

00:13:39.000 You're very, very welcome here.

00:13:40.000 Do you have a problem with Pride Month sponsoring Lockheed Martin?

00:13:44.000 And what does it mean to Pride as a force for counterculture, activism and service of previously maligned and potentially still maligned communities if a corporate interest of that nature can hijack the event?

00:13:58.000 Yeah.

00:13:59.000 Sorry about burping during that.

00:14:00.000 I just drank a little bit of kombucha.

00:14:01.000 That wasn't a comment on any of the issues.

00:14:04.000 I was just... It was coming up the gullet.

00:14:06.000 No, I recognised it.

00:14:08.000 I can see it coming now.

00:14:08.000 You can do it, can't you?

00:14:10.000 You've learnt the sign.

00:14:11.000 You spot it a mile off.

00:14:12.000 OK, we're going to leave you.

00:14:13.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we're going to leave you now.

00:14:16.000 Not because we don't love you.

00:14:17.000 You are 6.4, nearly 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, potentially a shadow band away from our content for all we know, that we adore.

00:14:25.000 and love. But you've got to click the link on Rumble if you want to hear us talk about

00:14:29.000 the first month of lockdown and how it cut potentially up to a year and a half off the

00:14:33.000 lives of heart attack victims, which is something that's been recently alleged. 0.94

00:14:38.000 We're also going to be talking more broadly about how those measures potentially create an environment of compliant, dumb, numb citizens incapable of confronting corrupt power. 0.90

00:14:49.000 That's also... And Marianne Williamson's going to be on the show. 0.95

00:14:53.000 We're going to be asking her about her campaign for the presidency as a Democrat, the lack of debates that are being offered.

00:14:59.000 So if you've got any questions for her, please feel free to post them in the chat over on Locals, the red button.

00:15:04.000 See you later, YouTube.

00:15:06.000 We love you, you gorgeous, glorious people.

00:15:08.000 Now, we're on Rumble.

00:15:11.000 We can relax.

00:15:12.000 We can be ourselves.

00:15:15.000 We're not going to go crazy with free speech.

00:15:17.000 You know, I love free speech.

00:15:19.000 I live for it.

00:15:20.000 I love free speech. 0.97

00:15:22.000 But what I'm not going to do is be silly.

00:15:23.000 I will say that what is this study, Gareth, that says that the first month of lockdown potentially cut up to a year and a half of the lives of Heart attack victims.

00:15:31.000 Presumably they didn't have access to care.

00:15:33.000 That was it.

00:15:34.000 Well, it was actually... This was published by The Lancet.

00:15:37.000 So this is not, again, it's not conspiracy theorists.

00:15:39.000 It's not someone in the far-flung corners of the internet.

00:15:42.000 This is published by The Lancet and features in The Telegraph.

00:15:46.000 So it was about the stay-at-home orders, protect the NHS, save lives edict of Boris Johnson at the time when he did that first.

00:15:54.000 Well, there's nothing to suggest we can't trust Boris Johnson.

00:15:57.000 It's there Boris Johnson is a Prime Minister and a good man.

00:15:59.000 Whether it's campaigning for ongoing laws, or lying through the teeth about how many parties he had during the lockdown period, or refusing to name and admit to how many children he's had, there's something for everyone when it comes to former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, a sort of blubbery haircut of a man who managed to gaff his way to the top.

00:16:20.000 Certainly did.

00:16:21.000 And when he said stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives, What people who had heart attacks did was stay at home and not bother the NHS.

00:16:29.000 This is what they've discovered, is that I think it was a 40% fall in admissions for heart attack victims.

00:16:37.000 So people were literally having heart attacks and not administering themselves into hospital.

00:16:42.000 for fear of bothering the NHS because they've been told by Boris Johnson who, as we know, has been, you know, won't release his WhatsApp messages around lockdown.

00:16:50.000 They've admitted they wanted to scare people during the pandemic.

00:16:53.000 People with actual heart attacks didn't go to hospital.

00:16:55.000 Now I don't have access to the data here for what is statistically more dangerous, a heart attack or coronavirus, but an educated guess might be that you are more likely to die of a heart attack than of coronavirus.

00:17:09.000 A hysteria was induced during that time.

00:17:12.000 And I feel that more broadly and beyond this issue, when we are in a state of fear, we are unable to make correct, rational, sensible, pragmatic decisions.

00:17:22.000 Like, for example, a person who's had a heart attack not calling an ambulance because they're worried about someone that's We've got a version of a cold and their impact on that.

00:17:30.000 Now loads of people died of coronavirus.

00:17:32.000 Coronavirus certainly had an impact, not denying the existence of coronavirus or doing anything that's legit, crazy or mental.

00:17:39.000 It's just so plain that the framing of the pandemic was advantageous to one set of interests and disadvantageous to another set of interests.

00:17:47.000 And the second set is almost everybody in the entire world.

00:17:50.000 And the first set is a Yeah, exactly.

00:17:52.000 of elite, elite interests, whether that's the pharmaceutical industry or the state or people

00:17:57.000 like Boris Johnson who benefited throughout that period, not least because he had transgressive

00:18:02.000 little parties. Yeah, exactly. And I guess certainly the more we discover about lockdowns

00:18:06.000 and the ineffectiveness or effectiveness of lockdowns, however you want to talk about it,

00:18:12.000 the more that information like this becomes more and more relevant, you know, and what we were

00:18:17.000 talking about the other day, this counter disinformation unit that was set up by the

00:18:21.000 government as well to track and monitor and censor people who online were raising suspicions about

00:18:30.000 lockdowns in particular and vaccine passports and things like that.

00:18:35.000 Things that you could say now with the evidence that we have were valid, and much in the same way that Mark Zuckerberg recently admitted to Lex Friedman that Facebook were censoring things that have now turned out to be true.

00:18:46.000 You know, it's all becoming a lot more relevant.

00:18:48.000 Along with Joe Rogan being dismissed as a conspiracy theorist for his use of ivermectin, which I can mention over here, and the BBC, our publicly funded, that means you fund it, broadcaster over here has just established a new misinformation, malinformation, disinformation unit that will label, according to his own tastes and presumably

00:19:07.000 according to his own funding, an additional 4.1 million from the government, information

00:19:11.000 and sources of information, primarily from independent media, that it deems to be unsuitable.

00:19:17.000 It's clear that there is a new industry around censorship. It's clear that they are

00:19:23.000 looking for new ways to smear and control narratives that are at odds with the interests of the

00:19:29.000 powerful. That's why it was so important for me to have that conversation with Michael and Matt Taibbi.

00:19:35.000 And Gareth, it's so unforgivable that you saw it as a platform for your own demented views

00:19:41.000 and your own strong sexual feelings for both Matt and Michael. We're going to be

00:19:48.000 speaking to Marianne Williamson live in the studio in a minute before that. Here's the news. No,

00:19:54.000 here's the effing news. 1.00

00:19:59.000 Now here's the fucking news! 0.99

00:20:01.000 Oh Mark Zuckerberg has admitted that Facebook censored true information. 0.99

00:20:07.000 So why are we creating a censorship industrial complex that will be able to do that to all of us whenever it wants?

00:20:16.000 Mark Zuckerberg admitting in his brilliant interview with Lex Friedman that Facebook censored information that turned out to be debatable or true.

00:20:24.000 That doesn't seem like the right way to treat information does it?

00:20:28.000 It might be true or it is true.

00:20:31.000 Censor it! 1.00

00:20:32.000 Let's get into this story and watch what Zuckerberg said to Friedman that started us off on this trail of inquiry.

00:20:39.000 So misinformation I think is has been a really tricky one, because there are things that are kind of obviously false, right, that are maybe factual, but may not be harmful.

00:20:56.000 So it's like, all right, are you gonna censor someone for just being wrong?

00:21:02.000 It's, you know, if there's no kind of harm implication of what they're doing, I think that that's, there's a bunch of real kind of issues and challenges there.

00:21:09.000 But then, I think that there are other places where it is, you know, just take some of the stuff around COVID earlier on in the pandemic, where there were real health implications, but there hadn't been time to fully vet a bunch of the scientific assumptions.

00:21:26.000 Unfortunately, I think a lot of the establishment on that kind of waffled on a bunch of facts and asked for a bunch of things to be censored that, in retrospect, ended up being more debatable or true.

00:21:40.000 That stuff is really tough and really undermines trust.

00:21:43.000 It does undermine trust and it is indeed tough, so we certainly shouldn't create models that are able to continue to behave in that way.

00:21:51.000 In retrospect, let me know in the chat in the comments, do you think that what should have happened is that views from all sides of the scientific and sociological spectrum ought to have been included And a consensus formed around it because what actually happened is assumptions were made that were beneficial to the state and their ability to regulate and impose law and order and to various industries but most notably and obviously the pharmaceutical industry.

00:22:16.000 Now, it's not a conspiracy theory to say that the information was presented in a way that was beneficial to the state and beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry.

00:22:24.000 Doesn't mean that they even manipulatively and deliberately did it.

00:22:27.000 There is such a thing as unconscious bias.

00:22:29.000 We've had on our show Robert F. Kennedy and his views are, as I know a lot of yours are, a little more pronounced.

00:22:38.000 Shall we say than that?

00:22:39.000 Let's get into a little more detail now so that we can together form a consensus around how information should be regulated.

00:22:47.000 At the moment my perspective is it ought not be controlled and we ought decide for ourselves.

00:22:52.000 I mean aren't we living at a time where Instagram is being used potentially by sexual predators around children?

00:22:59.000 If that's not being curtailed and controlled then surely an open conversation around medical matters is something we can be afforded?

00:23:06.000 Let me know in the chat in the comments.

00:23:07.000 This is by our friend Michael Schellenberger and again if you want to see me live with him there's a link in the description.

00:23:11.000 Thank you.

00:23:12.000 Governments around the world are cracking down on free speech.

00:23:15.000 What they are demanding includes the ability to read private encrypted text messages and invade homes in search of wrong speech.

00:23:21.000 In order to do that, they have to create a state of fear, don't they?

00:23:24.000 They have to say there's this massive threat, there's so much hate speech, there's so much prejudice and bigotry.

00:23:29.000 And I'm not suggesting there isn't hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

00:23:32.000 Plainly, there is.

00:23:33.000 There is also people using Instagram for pedophilia.

00:23:36.000 There are Nazi units in the Ukrainian armed forces.

00:23:40.000 That's sort of well documented.

00:23:41.000 So hatred, hate speech, we're not debating or doubting that those things exist.

00:23:47.000 It's just that we believe they're being highlighted Where it's germane and apposite and beneficial to the interests of the powerful, for want of a better phrase, and being ignored if it can't be mobilized in order to justify censorship and measures of control.

00:24:01.000 Let me know what you think though.

00:24:02.000 Their demands thus go far beyond what the censorship industrial complex was able to get away with over the last six years.

00:24:09.000 Across thousands of pages of attorneys' general lawsuits, thousands of pages of congressional reports and testimony, and hundreds of pages of Twitter and Facebook files themselves, it's clear that here was a highly coordinated campaign by top White House officials, government agencies, and government-funded contractors to demand Twitter, Facebook, and other social media companies censor, in their own words, often true content, including about drug side effects, both to prevent the public from seeing it, but also to spread misinformation on behalf of a political agenda.

00:24:36.000 It's Beyond irony that the category of misinformation itself has been created in order, I believe, to perpetuate misinformation.

00:24:46.000 In order that the state or certain other establishment or elite interests can convey their message to you, to us, the category of mis, dis, and mal information has been created so that true and debatable information can be censored.

00:24:59.000 That, as you are already aware, is literally Orwellian.

00:25:03.000 Words are starting to be changed.

00:25:05.000 The meaning of words is being altered in order to expedite measures that would have been unthinkable, as Schellenberger says, just a few years ago.

00:25:12.000 The picture many of us have of journalists is Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman in All the President's Men.

00:25:18.000 He clearly thinks that him and Matt Taibbi are like, we're the new Redford and Hoffman.

00:25:22.000 Yeah, we're breaking down barriers, man.

00:25:24.000 Or the journalists in Spotlight, She Said and The Post.

00:25:27.000 They are dogged seekers of truth determined to overcome any obstacle in their way of discovering it and reporting it to the world.

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00:27:00.000 That's the sound of youth returning.

00:27:02.000 But the real world But the real-world behavior of many journalists today at top news media companies is the exact opposite.

00:27:12.000 They plot secretly with the Aspen Institute, each other, and social media executives about how to kill stories damaging to the president.

00:27:19.000 And they help former CIA directors and fellows spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, including that Russians stole the 2016 election, controlled Donald Trump through a video of prostitutes urinating on him, and somehow had stolen Hunter Biden's laptop.

00:27:32.000 I mean all of that is a bit mental and ridiculous in retrospect and also for me is the scalpel that we can use to cut away the idea that the Democrat Party are the representatives of righteousness, justice and ordinary people. 0.90

00:27:48.000 The idea that they are led by any incentives other than how to best serve the donor class is, to me, ridiculous at this point.

00:27:56.000 Rather than quote from different sides, these journalists denounced their enemies.

00:27:59.000 They dismissed as racist and as a debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 might have escaped from a Chinese lab, while insisting that it was somehow less racist and far-fetched to believe the virus travelled a thousand miles from the countryside before sickening someone at a live wet market.

00:28:14.000 And they demanded that Twitter de-platform disfavored voices like Twitter Files reporter Alex Berenson.

00:28:19.000 I guess what Michael Schellenberger is pointing out is the necessity for principles and values that don't alter depending on where you stand in the argument.

00:28:26.000 Censorship is a great example of that.

00:28:28.000 If you're against censorship, it means that you've got to allow people to criticize things that you believe to be true in order to achieve a mutual consensus.

00:28:36.000 That's what that value means.

00:28:38.000 If you say, oh actually I do believe in censorship now, I didn't a few years ago when it wasn't convenient.

00:28:42.000 This is the problem that we're facing now, a kind of a moral abyss at the heart of government and at the heart of all of our institutions.

00:28:48.000 There's a warping of reality taking place.

00:28:50.000 When you couple a more grounded story like this about the observable establishment of the censorship industrial complex achieved through the consensus of government and big tech platforms, then add to it UFOs seem to be real now.

00:29:01.000 Don't you recognise that things have really got to change?

00:29:04.000 Let me know in the chat.

00:29:04.000 Why do so many journalists participate in the war on free speech, including the freest social media platform, Twitter?

00:29:11.000 Last summer, Berenson released documents showing reporters from CNN and Axios urging Twitter to suspend Berenson for criticizing vaccines.

00:29:19.000 It's like librarians burning books, he told Public yesterday.

00:29:22.000 Why are journalists attacking journalists?

00:29:25.000 Yeah, I don't understand that at all.

00:29:27.000 It's become so madly tribalised and hysterical that people are willing to shut down perfectly reasonable opposing perspectives.

00:29:35.000 Because of the age I am, the experience I've had, I remember if someone's right-wing or left-wing, it's like, oh, that's interesting.

00:29:41.000 It's not like, shut that person down!

00:29:42.000 And conspiracy theories were either something you treated with whimsy Or investigated seriously, depending on your perspective.

00:29:50.000 Not, don't you say that, and then try to bolt it onto something truly nefarious, like racism or antisemitism, in order to shut it down.

00:29:58.000 For me, what I feel like we're experiencing is a time of real sanitization.

00:30:02.000 Not in order to generate safety, but in order to generate control.

00:30:07.000 Recently, I was watching Harry Potter 5, which is my main reference point these days.

00:30:11.000 And when Imelda Staunton's character comes into Hogwarts, It's with the pretense of making things safer, more secure and regulated.

00:30:18.000 But what she of course actually does is removes magic. 1.00

00:30:21.000 And this is happening across our culture.

00:30:23.000 We're being closed down, shut down, sanitized, a kind of astringent antiseptic being applied to everything.

00:30:29.000 But the cost of that is the removal of the rather viscous and effervescent quality that human beings have when we're allowed to rub against one another.

00:30:38.000 I don't mean that literally, I mean psychologically.

00:30:41.000 It's clear there are both organic cultural and ideological reasons, as well as partisan political motivations, but there are also financial ones.

00:30:47.000 Consider the mass media attacks on Joe Rogan, whose podcasting model has drawn viewers away from traditional media and upended the economics of the news industry.

00:30:56.000 In other words, it's not just that independent sub-stack journalists like Berenson threatens establishment orthodoxies, it's also that we threaten the media's credibility and viability.

00:31:06.000 That is precisely what's happening.

00:31:07.000 Where this coalesces neatly is the issue of Tucker Carlson versus Fox News.

00:31:13.000 Tucker Carlson saying the kind of stuff he used to be able to say on Fox News.

00:31:16.000 Fox News want to shut him down and sue him for both economic and ideological reasons.

00:31:21.000 Mainstream media is Quaking now because of new models independent media organizations like ours or Lex Friedman the platforms like Twitter and Facebook and Google that have themselves now become oligarchical and are in league with the state necessarily and some of them as you're aware had funding from the state oddly early stages of their inception have

00:31:42.000 And now what's essentially being attempted is how do we assert control in an almost entirely alien landscape.

00:31:49.000 So it's not just ideological, as Schellenberger points out, it's also economic.

00:31:53.000 But economics is the dominant ideology of our time.

00:31:57.000 If you threaten their financial interest, you're threatening the heart of their cathedral.

00:32:02.000 Meanwhile everyone from President Joe Biden to former President Barack Obama is actively promoting the big lie that hate, including antisemitism, is rising in a transparent effort to give governments more power to censor.

00:32:13.000 Of course they have to amplify the threat to legitimize the action that will lead to censorship.

00:32:18.000 You remember this in the post 9-11 environment.

00:32:21.000 New measures of security and surveillance were introduced.

00:32:24.000 Now that that threat seems to have been somewhat lifted or somewhat diluted, have the measures changed?

00:32:29.000 Of course they haven't.

00:32:30.000 In fact, when it came for time to review the bill that allowed the government to surveil Americans abroad, And at home, they didn't review it or change it, citing Mexican drug cartels as the reason that these surveillance measures would have to remain in place.

00:32:44.000 Governments don't give up power.

00:32:45.000 Corporations don't give up profit.

00:32:47.000 They find reasons to justify continuing the pursuit of both of those things.

00:32:51.000 At the same time, resistance to government censorship and propaganda is rising worldwide.

00:32:56.000 Free speech advocates are fighting back in every one of the nations where crackdowns are underway.

00:33:01.000 The picture we had of mainstream news reporters speaking truth to power is no longer accurate.

00:33:06.000 More frequently than not, reports from those same institutions speak power against truth.

00:33:10.000 The evidence for the censorship industrial complex is abundant and they know it because they're part of it.

00:33:15.000 The media's problem is not that the censorship conspiracy is unproven, it is that we proved it.

00:33:19.000 It has been proven.

00:33:20.000 There is a censorship industrial complex.

00:33:22.000 Mark Zuckerberg himself, who of course was in correspondence with Fauci during the pandemic asking how he could help, has now done a public mea culpa in a new alternative media space, the brilliant podcast of Lex Friedman.

00:33:35.000 The world is changing and if we continue to act with Integrity and authenticity.

00:33:39.000 The correct changes will be given a chance to flourish.

00:33:42.000 But of course there is an oppositional force.

00:33:43.000 Those old institutions aren't going to give up without a fight.

00:33:46.000 That's why you're seeing Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger sat before congressional committees being treated like criminals.

00:33:51.000 That's why I am publicly smeared.

00:33:53.000 That's why Joe Rogan is publicly smeared.

00:33:55.000 Because they recognize, oh no!

00:33:57.000 They can talk directly to people!

00:33:58.000 Our market!

00:33:59.000 Our economic model!

00:34:00.000 We of course have economic interests ourselves but hopefully they do not override our ideological interests and our desire to connect with you truthfully and openly and learn from you and share with you because I'm on this planet with you and I'm frightened as well and I know that on my own I'm not enough and that on my own I will fail.

00:34:18.000 That's why I need you to believe in us the same way that we're trying to believe in you so that we can confront unprecedented power.

00:34:25.000 It truly is.

00:34:26.000 For the first time there is the opportunity to impose global measures on entire populations Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat. See

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00:34:46.000 I'm very excited to announce that I'm being joined by a renowned spiritual teacher, best-selling author of A Return to Love, and now presidential candidate without debate.

00:34:55.000 Please welcome to the show Marianne Williamson.

00:34:58.000 Thank you for coming here.

00:34:59.000 Thank you for having me.

00:35:00.000 Mariam, what do you think it tells us about the state of internal politics within the Democrat Party that we are foregoing the possibility to see some interesting candidates debate the current President Joe Biden?

00:35:12.000 What does it tell us about power?

00:35:14.000 What does it tell us about the internal machinery of the Democratic Party?

00:35:17.000 Well, it tells us that there is an elite, an establishment elite, who feels that they have the right to shoehorn in the president.

00:35:25.000 And for a party that claims to be, and should be, such a champion of democracy, there's no reason for it to be so wary of democracy in our own house.

00:35:34.000 Of course the president should be debating his primary challengers.

00:35:39.000 I suppose what it shows you is that, in that instance at least, we have the appearance of democracy, or the claim is being made that we live within a democracy, and the party takes its name from that word, and yet we have a managed, siphoned and stymied process How telling is it that Joe Biden was able to say to a significant portion of the donor class when he addressed them prior to becoming president that nothing will fundamentally change?

00:36:09.000 What does that tell you about the influence of donation and external corporate funding upon the political process and in particular the funding of the Democrat Party?

00:36:20.000 Although of course this would be true of both parties, right?

00:36:22.000 Yes, let's not pretend that the Republican Party is not completely pervaded by corporate influence.

00:36:30.000 There's a reason why this is now called by so many people a corporate duopoly.

00:36:34.000 The Democratic Party still tries to have it both ways.

00:36:37.000 You know, there was a time when, more than not, the Democratic Party was an unequivocal, unabashed advocate for the people.

00:36:44.000 The people, particularly the working people of the United States.

00:36:47.000 It was during Bill Clinton's presidency, when he formed something called the Democratic Leadership Council, that they sort of decided to try to have it both ways.

00:36:56.000 Yes, be there for the people, but we too can play with the big boys, raise all the money that it will take in order to remain competitive and so forth.

00:37:04.000 And this really tore the soul, it's a rupture in the soul of the Democratic Party.

00:37:09.000 So that now, in the Democratic Party, as in the Republican Party, there are these two major elements.

00:37:14.000 And for the Democrats, there are the corporatists, the elitists, the establishment, and then there are the progressives.

00:37:20.000 Now, the establishment elitists almost act as though the progressives are trying to hijack the party.

00:37:27.000 But actually, they hijack the party.

00:37:30.000 The progressives are the tradition of Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt.

00:37:34.000 And that's how I see someone like myself.

00:37:36.000 I'm the one standing for the traditional pillars of the Democratic Party, as in the unequivocal advocacy for the working people.

00:37:43.000 Take an issue like health.

00:37:46.000 How will it be possible to make the kind of significant changes that are required in the area of health, the way that it's funded and the way that it's administered, when big food has such coercive power over policy and the ability to promote and fund detrimental food sources?

00:38:05.000 And when Big Pharma, through lobbying, donation and influence over regulation, has such significant power, but one example being the refusal to evoke the law that would prohibit a cancer drug being sold profitably.

00:38:19.000 How can you change health without changing the corporatization of America, the corporatization of food and pharma?

00:38:29.000 Well, I mentioned on the debate stage in the last election exactly what you just said.

00:38:33.000 We don't have a health care system, we have a sickness care system.

00:38:37.000 We have to ask ourselves, why do Americans have such a higher rate of chronic illness than, for instance, the Europeans do?

00:38:44.000 And as you just said, and as I said at the debates, for that you have to talk about more than just the health insurance companies, more than pharmaceutical.

00:38:53.000 You have to talk about big agriculture, you have to talk about the chemical companies, and of course you have to talk about big food.

00:38:58.000 The corporatocracy itself puts short-term profit maximization, and when I say the corporatocracy, I mean all of them.

00:39:06.000 Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, big food, big ag, big chemical, gun manufacturers, big oil, and defense contractors.

00:39:13.000 It serves us to see they're all one big matrix of corporate, what is at this point, tyranny.

00:39:19.000 Okay?

00:39:20.000 And as long as they are put in short-term corporate maximization, and for themselves, and as long as the government supports them in that more than not, then that will be at the expense of the safety and health and the well-being of the American people, animals, our children, and our planet itself.

00:39:37.000 And this is taking us on a trajectory that is now More than unsustainable, it is self-destructive to our democracy and possibly long-term to our species.

00:39:51.000 The American economy appears to require war in order to sustain itself.

00:39:57.000 And when the military-industrial complex has such significant power, again through lobbying, again through donation, when we have the slightly absurd spectre of an event like Gay Pride, which has always been a counter-cultural movement, being sponsored by Lockheed Martin, what does it tell us about where our values are?

00:40:19.000 And may I fold into this question, forgive me, What do you think is a greater threat to global peace?

00:40:26.000 Is it despots like Vladimir Putin and his admittedly criminal invasion of Ukraine, which many people believe was subsequent to a great deal of provocation from NATO?

00:40:37.000 Or is it an economic system that plainly and explicitly requires war to remain in business?

00:40:45.000 I would disagree with the word requires, and you used it twice.

00:40:49.000 We have a war economy.

00:40:50.000 We have about 51% of the American economy that is at least indirectly related to the defense industry.

00:40:57.000 But it doesn't have to be that way.

00:40:59.000 Just as we have to make a just transition.

00:41:02.000 From a dirty economy to a clean economy, we have to make a just transition from a war economy to a peace economy.

00:41:10.000 And in terms of the reason the word requires is inappropriate there is because the return on investment is much greater when you're talking about money that is given to health, that is given to education.

00:41:22.000 It only is required by those small Donor class, the 1% of Americans who make so much money on it.

00:41:29.000 It's only required by Raytheon, by Northrop Grumman, by Boeing and by their stockholders.

00:41:36.000 So this is a change that we need to make.

00:41:39.000 In the meantime, the vast economic power and governmental power and the undue influence of the military-industrial complex on our government does create a problem in the world and that goes back to

00:41:51.000 the second thing you said.

00:41:53.000 How much the military-industrial complex and the short-term profit maximization

00:41:57.000 of defense contractors and that industry prevails within American foreign policy

00:42:05.000 to an evil degree.

00:42:06.000 We saw it with what we saw with Vietnam, but we certainly saw it with Iraq. 0.99

00:42:10.000 We saw it with staying in in Afghanistan, probably 20 years longer than we should have.

00:42:18.000 And certainly it's a complicated issue in Ukraine today.

00:42:22.000 I'm glad that you made the point that we should not be apologizing for the brutal invasion of Vladimir Putin, at the same time it is naive of us to fail

00:42:36.000 to recognize at the very least the meddling on the part of the US defense

00:42:41.000 establishment and the in the domestic affairs of Ukraine. One of the stories we

00:42:46.000 covered on the show was how the International Criminal Court could not call

00:42:50.000 upon the United States for evidence because if they were to participate in that

00:42:54.000 trial it would reveal the degree to which they had been involved in

00:42:58.000 criminal wars themselves.

00:42:59.000 We're not a part of the court.

00:43:01.000 And the reason we're not a member of the court is because there's too great a chance that they would come after George Bush and Dick Cheney.

00:43:07.000 So we have, you know, for us to be now going on and on and on about other people who have caused wars that should not have been fought.

00:43:14.000 The world sees the hypocrisy and the American people are beginning to see the threat that all that represents to our democracy itself.

00:43:20.000 How did it feel standing as a candidate for the Democrat Party knowing that within living memory, and in fact recent memory, it was figures like Cheney and Bush and Wolfowitz that were regarded as the hawkish figureheads of militarism and now we have to accept that it is Joe Biden that said I'll

00:43:38.000 make Saudi Arabia a pariah before doing weapons deals and oils deals and facilitating 0.99

00:43:44.000 military deals from the LGBTQ plus communities friends at Lockheed Martin. How does it feel to see as Tulsi

00:43:52.000 as Tulsi Gabbard acknowledges, recognize that the Democrat Party has become co-opted by

00:43:53.000 Gabbard acknowledges, recognize that the Democrat party has become co-opted by

00:43:58.000 the military-industrial complex, and how do you reverse a process that at this point seems

00:43:58.000 the military industrial complex, and how do you reverse a process that at this point seems

00:44:03.000 so entrenched and institutionalized?

00:44:06.000 This is not just about the military-industrial complex.

00:44:08.000 This is about corporate power itself.

00:44:11.000 As long as corporate power, all of these corporations that we've talked about, all of these entities,

00:44:16.000 as long as they have the undue financial influence on our Congress and on our White House at

00:44:21.000 this point, that they do, then our government has become basically a system of legalized

00:44:26.000 bribery.

00:44:27.000 So, it's not, you know, I don't want to, none of this conversation should in any way make

00:44:32.000 nice towards the Republican Party, by the way.

00:44:35.000 But it's been for decades.

00:44:36.000 This didn't start with Joe Biden that you see the same kind of undue corporate influence among the Democrats in too many cases that you see among the Republicans.

00:44:45.000 It's strange though, we covered this today, that it's Rand Paul that's saying we need to challenge the Forever Wars Emergency Act Bill that's being taken through Congress currently.

00:44:55.000 That it's coming from figures, libertarians within the right, that are most willing it seems to me, other than the candidature of yourself and RFK, to challenge the kind of establishment power That you are outlining and describing.

00:45:09.000 Are you saying therefore, Marianne, that you think that it's wrong to accept funding from Big Food, that it's wrong to allow Big Food and Big Pharma to fund their own regulatory bodies?

00:45:20.000 Of course it's wrong!

00:45:21.000 It's more than wrong. 0.94

00:45:22.000 It is corrupt.

00:45:24.000 These agencies are set up to advocate for the American people.

00:45:27.000 But what has happened over the last few decades is what's called agency capture.

00:45:31.000 That at the very best, the US government too often acts as a kind of double advocate.

00:45:36.000 Let's take something like Department of Agriculture.

00:45:39.000 The Department of Agriculture should not be led by somebody from Big Ag.

00:45:43.000 Hello!

00:45:44.000 Let's say something like the very Secretary of Defense.

00:45:49.000 Traditionally, the Secretary of Defense was not to be a military man.

00:45:53.000 And the last thing that the Secretary of Defense should be is someone who comes from the defense industry.

00:45:58.000 Now with Trump, Trump made General Mattis a military man.

00:46:02.000 This is what's so dangerous in this country.

00:46:05.000 I'm old enough to remember, wait, we're not supposed to do that.

00:46:08.000 But you have too many younger generations who don't even remember a time, they don't have it in their institutional memory, when people would go, hey, you're not supposed to do that.

00:46:17.000 And people in Congress who even know it won't say anything.

00:46:20.000 Now what they did with Biden, not only is our Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin a former general, he is a former Board member at Raytheon.

00:46:31.000 This is outrageous.

00:46:33.000 And by the way, they use race as a cover because what what legislator is going to stand up and complain, right? 0.87

00:46:39.000 Now, isn't it interesting?

00:46:41.000 You have reports coming out now about the unbelievable price gouging on the part of the defense industry of the U.S.

00:46:48.000 And remember, one of you know, one of the first things I would do is is audit the Pentagon every cent because it's not even audited.

00:46:48.000 military.

00:46:55.000 But if we have a former Raytheon board member who is the Secretary of Defense, what's going on that there is such price gouging?

00:47:05.000 That's what we're talking about here.

00:47:06.000 We're talking about unbelievable corruption.

00:47:09.000 Unbelievable corruption must have at its essence a warped and broken set of values.

00:47:16.000 Yeah, it does.

00:47:18.000 Of course, prior to your incarnation as a political figure, you are most well known for your work in the area of spirituality and wellness, which I know can be regarded unfairly, I think, as somehow unsubstantial or insubstantial.

00:47:37.000 What I feel is that there is a lack of integrity in politics that you alluded to then.

00:47:43.000 There's no one saying that you shouldn't be doing this.

00:47:45.000 There's no one pointing out the obvious fact that you shouldn't have board members of weapons manufacturers within the Pentagon advocating for further deals.

00:47:55.000 How do you feel, and what do you feel, is the appropriate role for spirituality in politics?

00:48:02.000 What are we going to do about this kind of moral abyss at the heart of our global politics?

00:48:08.000 And this kind of, I want to almost say, institutionalized self-centeredness that you see, it seems to me, in figures like, and I know a lot of you love Donald Trump, but he is a pretty egocentric kind of guy, and then career politicians like Joe Biden, who, for me, While even when seeming convivial appears to be an entrenched old-school politician who's there to represent establishment values.

00:48:33.000 What do we do about this self-centredness?

00:48:35.000 In our politics over here in the UK, Boris Johnson, it's like you're dealing with man-child mentality, unawakened, uninitiated people.

00:48:44.000 How do you suggest that those kind of cultural changes could be made and how are we suffering as a result of the lack of those changes?

00:48:51.000 I want to start by saying the first time I ever heard you speak publicly.

00:48:55.000 It was at a luncheon in Los Angeles for a home, I think, for women.

00:49:01.000 You were so extraordinary.

00:49:03.000 You, so I really want to thank you because you are one of the people who has helped elevate, for those of us who have heard you, and I don't know how much you've done this in broader mainstream circles, but you, more than anyone that I've ever heard, has talked about spiritual principles, issues of whether it's AA or any other, and how serious they are and how substantial they are.

00:49:24.000 Now in terms of the effect of a lack of spiritual principle on personal behavior or political behavior, when you have a lack of conscience, when you have a lack of remorse, when you have a complete lack of any sense of responsibility, moral responsibility to people, to life, to planet, that's called sociopathic.

00:49:46.000 It is considered, and rightfully so, in terms of personal behavior, a malevolence, a deadly malevolence.

00:49:54.000 Now we need to recognize that our economic system is at this point.

00:49:58.000 When you're talking about hyper-capitalism, when you're talking about unfettered capitalism, it is a sociopathic public phenomenon.

00:50:07.000 Even Adam Smith, who was the primary architect of free market capitalism, said, it cannot exist Outside an ethical context.

00:50:19.000 So what's happened is that capitalism has completely gone off the rails.

00:50:22.000 And there is this, has been for the last 40 years or so, this canard, this wool over people's eyes, where people are supposed to agree that that's a good idea.

00:50:33.000 Because the argument was, well, it's really good, see, if you just move all the money into the hands of the stockholders, Even though it's at the expense of the safety of the workers, at the expense of the benefits of the workers, at the expense of the community, at the expense of the environment.

00:50:50.000 People were told, and this is such a delusional, malevolent canard, it's going to be good because those people who are going to get all that money, they're going to create jobs, see, and all that money will trickle down and it will lift all boats.

00:51:07.000 Well, it's now 40 years later, The jury's in.

00:51:10.000 It not only did not lift all boats, it has left millions and millions and millions of people without even a life vest.

00:51:17.000 It has destroyed America's middle class.

00:51:20.000 Those people's modality is not to create jobs.

00:51:23.000 It's to eliminate jobs.

00:51:25.000 It's to optimize their profit and their profit alone.

00:51:30.000 It is a sociopathic, paradigm and what's happening now is that people are waking

00:51:37.000 up on the left and on the right

00:51:39.000 they're realizing this is forming a system of corporate tyranny they're realizing that the government is enabling this that

00:51:46.000 too often our public policies chop the wood and carry the water for

00:51:51.000 that that tyranny and the American people are ready for a

00:51:54.000 peaceful revolution a political revolution to repudiate it as we've repudiated

00:51:59.000 such injustices in our past

00:52:01.000 how do you imagine that you will be able to convey this message that has

00:52:06.000 some complexity within it when the mainstream media are housed within the set of corporate interests that you

00:52:16.000 have already outlined

00:52:18.000 Marianne, and even appearing on platforms like this, it's possible that you will be charged with participating in platforms that carry conspiracy theories, that alt-right, because entire platforms are now being dismissed as as somehow morally unhygienic. I think solely on the basis

00:52:39.000 that we are willing to carry alternative voices, that we are willing to challenge establishment

00:52:44.000 power, that we have no alliance to the Republican Party or the Democrat Party. How are you

00:52:50.000 proposing that your message will be heard sufficiently to carry some support within the movement?

00:52:57.000 Well I'm already in the belly of that beast and I know what they did to me last time.

00:53:01.000 I know what they're doing this time.

00:53:03.000 With some people, they just de-platform you.

00:53:06.000 Fortunately, you're Russell Brand.

00:53:09.000 They're not going to de-platform you.

00:53:11.000 In the cases of some people, such as myself, they don't de-platform you.

00:53:15.000 It's more insidious than that.

00:53:17.000 They just pervert your platform.

00:53:20.000 They create a caricature of who you are and what you're saying and what you've done with your life.

00:53:25.000 Just to throw enough dust over people's eyes so they won't listen to you.

00:53:29.000 There is a political media industrial complex.

00:53:32.000 So when you ask how you're going to do it, you just keep going.

00:53:37.000 I do believe the American people are waking up.

00:53:39.000 The American people are waking up.

00:53:41.000 We're at the beginning of a political earthquake right now.

00:53:44.000 More people are nodding their heads listening to this conversation than probably were five years ago.

00:53:50.000 Why are you willing to put yourself in a position of personal jeopardy?

00:53:55.000 I imagine that you're financially secure and secure in a number of other ways.

00:54:00.000 Why are you willing to put yourself in such a position of jeopardy?

00:54:05.000 My father died in 1995.

00:54:07.000 I think I'm still trying to get his approval.

00:54:10.000 My father used to, you know, my father used to walk around the house when we were kids.

00:54:14.000 Beat the system, kids.

00:54:15.000 Beat the system, kids.

00:54:17.000 And I think it took me until I was 50 years old to know he actually wasn't kidding. 1.00

00:54:22.000 And he used to say, don't let the bastards get to you. 0.99

00:54:24.000 I have seen how this country, my country, and how this system works, as I know you have as well. 0.99

00:54:30.000 And when you travel in certain circles, you figure it out. 0.97

00:54:36.000 And I don't, you know, I want to be able to look at myself the last day of my life and go, I kicked ass while I was here. 1.00

00:54:43.000 I didn't let the bastards get me down. 0.99

00:54:45.000 That's what I want. 1.00

00:54:46.000 Yeah, it's a powerful message and it's a personal risk.

00:54:50.000 It's interesting to know that both political parties have to, in different ways, elicit the support of, let's say, kind of Christian interest, knowing that what those value sets are meant to be representative of are Spirituality, kindness, decency, morality, but sometimes they become representative of a slightly more murky set of interests.

00:55:16.000 But I think that what people are craving are genuine values.

00:55:20.000 Integrity, authenticity, service, willingness to sacrifice yourself in favor of a greater cause.

00:55:28.000 It seems to me that Our values have been kind of hollowed out, and we have the appearance of compassion, but not the delivery of compassion.

00:55:37.000 We have gestures and performance in place of real sacrifice.

00:55:42.000 But when you arrive at a point where the party that claims to be liberal operates so plainly on behalf of elite interests, that we are at a point of, as you say, Peaceful revolution.

00:55:57.000 It's interesting to watch it unfold because I don't suppose that you imagined that you would find yourself in this position when you were a successful author or becoming a spiritual teacher or and having roles that are not easy really to define actually because the culture doesn't really frame people in that way anymore.

00:56:15.000 In a secular culture we're kind of that's been absented somehow and yet politics requires it and public life requires it.

00:56:22.000 The over-secularization of America's political dialogue has not actually served us.

00:56:28.000 And that over-secularization, and I don't mean a removal of religious language, because we are, I think political dialogue being secular is important, but that doesn't mean it should be devoid of spiritual values.

00:56:41.000 And the spiritual values that you just indicated are not just Christian, they are universal spiritual values at the heart of all the great religious systems of the world.

00:56:50.000 Now, Christian nationalism, people are seeing it for what it is.

00:56:53.000 The Bible does not talk about how, you know, what you should do is give tax cuts to the very, very richest people.

00:56:59.000 That's not a biblical precept.

00:57:02.000 So people, there is a spiritual revolution going on on the planet.

00:57:08.000 And people are recognizing, certainly I recognize, and I believe there is a listening for this, that our public behavior, our political behavior, who we are collectively, Cannot be devoid of moral values any more than our individual lives can be and have a life that works.

00:57:27.000 You know, I think that we're living at a time of two simultaneous phenomenon.

00:57:33.000 On one hand, there is a world that is crumbling before our eyes.

00:57:37.000 An old order of organization and we see the signs of this crumbling everywhere.

00:57:43.000 But at the same time, you see that world that is struggling to be born.

00:57:48.000 And we are called to be midwives both to the death of one world and midwives to the birth of another.

00:57:55.000 And the world that we want is a world in which we take the best of the old and bring forth and reclaim, bring back into our public and collective lives principles like mercy, compassion, humility, forgiveness, integrity, kindness.

00:58:13.000 If you see a hungry child, you feed that child.

00:58:16.000 If you look at the earth, you know, you remember this was God's creation.

00:58:20.000 It was given to us to be proper stewards.

00:58:23.000 You don't desecrate it, so a bunch of oil companies can make a lot of money.

00:58:28.000 I think that a lot of people are processing all of this right now, and that's why I believe that there is a political possibility that lies before us.

00:58:39.000 Right now, where we are now is unsustainable.

00:58:43.000 There is going to be this political earthquake.

00:58:46.000 You can already feel the rumbling.

00:58:48.000 It's going to go one way or the other.

00:58:50.000 It's either going to be in the direction of democracy and justice or it's going to be in the direction of autocracy and authoritarianism.

00:59:00.000 And that's why I think it's important for all of us to decide which are we going to contribute our own energies toward because There's, there's, you can't be neutral at this point.

00:59:11.000 Being neutral is serving the oppressor.

00:59:14.000 I believe you and I agree with you and I fancy that this line between democracy and compassion and autocracy and tyranny is no longer, we can no longer claim it's drawn down the line between the two parties.

00:59:29.000 It's plain that there is a version of Or centralised authoritarianism that has emerged out of the Democratic Party in your analysis since Bill Clinton, but for me is now reaching, I hope it's Zenith or Nadir, depending on how you regard it.

00:59:45.000 It's plain that after 2008 and Barack Obama's decision to bail out the banks rather than bailing out ordinary Americans, and we've since seen nobody prosecuted, persecuted or held accountable for those financial crimes, transgressions that we can no longer confidently claim that

01:00:02.000 either party or any individuals within it have any moral high ground and I

01:00:07.000 think that the continuing the conversation along partisan lines is reductive.

01:00:12.000 I know you've said many times when I've asked you before Marianne

01:00:15.000 that it's important to change the system from within it and change the system

01:00:18.000 outside of it that you don't have to choose one of those options you have to do

01:00:24.000 both of them.

01:00:24.000 And I appreciate the work that you're doing within it and the manner with which you're carrying it out.

01:00:31.000 Are you concerned even in your discourse about presenting a partisan perspective when something bigger than that appears to be required, by my reckoning at least?

01:00:43.000 Well, I actually don't agree with you about the moral equivalence between the two parties.

01:00:47.000 I do think one is worse.

01:00:49.000 And I do think that the voices of people who are standing forth and saying, let us have a profound democratic correction in 99% of the time are within the Democratic rather than the Republican Party, sometimes in third parties, sometimes even outside parties.

01:01:04.000 So I wouldn't be running as a Democrat if I did not feel a personal choice to be part of the effort to reclaim the soul of the Democratic Party.

01:01:15.000 Now having said that, I hope that there are people, and I think that there probably are, who are trying to reclaim the soul of the Republican Party as well.

01:01:22.000 I think that some people are feeling, I mean obviously look at Cornell running as a third party candidate.

01:01:28.000 When you look at the history of the United States, third party voices have been extremely important.

01:01:33.000 Abolition came from the abolitionist party.

01:01:36.000 Women's suffrage came from the women's party. 0.91

01:01:38.000 Social security came from the socialist party.

01:01:41.000 So, no, I'm not a fan of the way over the last few decades The Democratic and the Republican Party have formed this unholy alliance, making it very difficult for third-party voices to be heard.

01:01:53.000 And you know, George Washington, our first president, warned us about political parties.

01:01:58.000 In his farewell address, he said it would form factions of men more concerned with their party than with their country.

01:02:06.000 Well, clearly that has come true.

01:02:08.000 President John Adams said that he saw political parties as the greatest threat to our democracy.

01:02:13.000 At this point, every individual has to decide, and I don't think that there's a right or a wrong answer.

01:02:19.000 Because it's one more area where there's a whole systems breakdown, and we have to give a whole systems response.

01:02:24.000 Do whatever you feel is the best way, best thing you can do to serve the larger sense of repair.

01:02:31.000 For me, take something like debating the President.

01:02:35.000 If I weren't running as a Democrat, I couldn't be saying you need to debate me, Joe.

01:02:40.000 You need to debate your your opponents.

01:02:43.000 It's because I'm running as a Democrat that I can do that.

01:02:46.000 So everybody has to do what they think.

01:02:49.000 I don't think there's a right or wrong answer there.

01:02:50.000 Why is Joe Biden not debating you and RFK?

01:02:54.000 Why is that?

01:02:55.000 I don't know.

01:02:56.000 What do you think?

01:02:56.000 I mean, come on, let's be real.

01:02:58.000 They think that they can just shoehorn in the president.

01:03:02.000 And it makes no sense, because if the president cannot take on Bobby Kennedy and myself in a debate, why should we feel confident that he will do well taking on DeSantis or Trump?

01:03:14.000 In a debate.

01:03:15.000 Or any of the other Republicans.

01:03:17.000 Theoretically it would only make him a stronger candidate.

01:03:20.000 Yeah.

01:03:21.000 People should have, in a democracy, as you were saying before, in a democracy people should have as wide an array of options as present themselves.

01:03:29.000 Bobby has one view.

01:03:31.000 I have one view.

01:03:33.000 The President has one view.

01:03:34.000 Some places they overlap.

01:03:39.000 Some places they don't.

01:03:40.000 But a political campaign is a long job interview.

01:03:43.000 And you interview all of the people who are applying for the job.

01:03:49.000 They should meet Bobby.

01:03:50.000 They should meet me.

01:03:51.000 They should meet the President and hear our agendas.

01:03:54.000 And right now it's not just the DNC, but it's also their minions in the corporate media who are doing everything possible to make sure that the likely Democratic voters do not meet In the way that that is clear and meaningful the president's opponents in this primary.

01:04:09.000 It's clear that at a time when many people think that the Biden administration has something to hide.

01:04:14.000 I'm speaking specifically of the at the moment absolutely denied allegation that Biden took a five million bribe during his time as VP.

01:04:24.000 Now that we know that the Hunter Biden laptop story was repressed, Biden's unwillingness to debate people within the Democratic Party that, at least superficially, would appear or seem to have the same basic rubric of beliefs, i.e.

01:04:40.000 they are within the Democratic Party, is a suggestion that if there isn't something to hide, and let me know in the chat and the comments what you think, there certainly appears to be fear, Fear around having conversation with people perhaps with more moral integrity.

01:04:54.000 Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments.

01:04:56.000 Gareth Roy is my favourite journalist online.

01:04:58.000 Gareth, do you have any conversations for Marianne Williamson?

01:05:02.000 Or have I done such a brilliant investigation that there's literally no territory?

01:05:06.000 You usually manage to add to these conversations.

01:05:09.000 I wonder what you'd like to add this time?

01:05:11.000 No, I think it's been a great interview and I think it's given us a chance to hear some of your very strong views about the corporatisation of politics, which I think a lot of our audience feel very strongly and passionately about.

01:05:28.000 I think, as Russell mentioned, the 2008 crash, I think also the pandemic, During which, of which there was a wealth transfer, I think people started to, I think from both sides, started to feel like this myth that they'd been told for a long time about trickle-down economics and how capitalism's working, started to really see up close how it wasn't working and how it was kind of at warp speeds not working for them.

01:05:59.000 I just wondered, from your perspective, do you feel like change is inevitable?

01:06:06.000 We seem to be at a point whereby you're doing very well in the polls, RFK's doing very well in the polls.

01:06:13.000 In the way that maybe Donald Trump talked about draining the swamp, that sentiment seems to be something that I think voters from both sides are now, have really bought into the idea that there has to be change to the corporatization of politics.

01:06:29.000 Do you feel that if, we have a lot of our viewers who are often quite despondent about change, who ask, what can we do?

01:06:37.000 How can things change?

01:06:39.000 Aren't the odds stacked against us?

01:06:40.000 You know, will anything ever fundamentally change?

01:06:43.000 Do you feel that it's inevitable that it will, if things continue to go in the direction that they are?

01:06:49.000 No, it's not inevitable.

01:06:51.000 Um, an addict can die.

01:06:53.000 You know, we, we need to end our magical thinking that, oh, our democracy will be okay.

01:06:58.000 Oh, our institutions will hold.

01:07:00.000 We've seen enough happen in the last few decades that it should convince any reasonable person that our, our institutions are fragile and they are in many ways under attack.

01:07:10.000 I see authoritarianism as an attack on our democracy from the outside, but this kind of trickle down economics, unfair to capitalism, neoliberalism is eroding it from the inside.

01:07:20.000 So, no, it's time for Americans to wake up.

01:07:24.000 There is no doubt about that.

01:07:26.000 It is not a guarantee that our democracy will survive.

01:07:30.000 However, if you look at the trajectory of American history, we have course corrected before.

01:07:36.000 You know, it's Winston Churchill who said, you can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they have exhausted every other option.

01:07:44.000 We often get there late.

01:07:46.000 That's sort of our character or logical propensity.

01:07:49.000 We sort of like we're kind of like distracted before once we get it.

01:07:54.000 So this is mine is a country that ultimately responded to slavery with abolition.

01:08:01.000 Ultimately responded to the institutional suppression of women with the women's movement and the 19th Amendment that ultimately responded to the Gilded Age with the labor movement that ultimately responded to segregation with the civil rights movement.

01:08:15.000 This is some what we are going through now is simply the latest iteration of a struggle that is baked into the cake in my country that has been with us from the very beginning.

01:08:26.000 We have always been a country which is struggling this almost bipolar nature on one hand based on these extraordinarily enlightened principles and at the on the other hand containing forces starting with slavery who for their own ideological and financial purposes Had no intention whatsoever of seeing those principles realized, and would go to great lengths, even violent ones, to make sure that they did not.

01:08:55.000 So, what we're experiencing now, it's just our turn.

01:08:59.000 Do I think it's possible for us to do what our ancestors did?

01:09:03.000 To rise up, to figure this out, to say, hell no, no way, and push back?

01:09:09.000 Absolutely, it's possible.

01:09:12.000 Is it inevitable?

01:09:13.000 No.

01:09:15.000 What will it take?

01:09:16.000 It will take a lot of things.

01:09:18.000 It will take a strong labor movement, which is why the regeneration and revitalization of the labor movement going on in this country right in my country right now is a really good thing.

01:09:28.000 But we can't leave out electoral politics.

01:09:30.000 And it would be very, very helpful right now to have a president who laid it down and told it like it is.

01:09:36.000 And that's the last one we really had like that was Franklin Roosevelt.

01:09:39.000 And it's time for another Rooseveltian character.

01:09:42.000 Thank you, Marianne.

01:09:43.000 Certainly, if a new poll is to be believed, the American public, even those that define

01:09:50.000 themselves as Democrats, want debates.

01:09:52.000 A recent poll says that eight in ten Democratic primary voters want Joe Biden to debate.

01:09:56.000 Let us know what you think in the chat and comments.

01:09:58.000 On locals, which you can join by the way by pressing the red button, it's on your screen now.

01:10:04.000 The Karen Dorn says, I owe all of my works in the animal rights world to Marianne Williamson.

01:10:08.000 I used to sing in the choir before her lectures at the town hall in New York City.

01:10:12.000 Though animal rights are not the top of her priority list, they move me more than anything else and she inspired me to devote my life to what made most of me, to shine my light and to pray use me.

01:10:22.000 She is one of the most Thank you very much for joining us.

01:10:25.000 Thank you.

01:10:26.000 So you're having a real impact over here. Elsewhere people are commenting on Gareth's tan

01:10:30.000 and saying that Gareth looks very well. So there's an entire gamut of emotions and opinions. Marianne,

01:10:35.000 thank you so much for devoting your time to us today on the show. It's fantastic to hear you

01:10:40.000 and I certainly for one would enjoy the opportunity to see you debate Joe Biden and I think, well

01:10:45.000 evidently based on that poll, a lot of people would enjoy that. Thank you very much for joining us.

01:10:49.000 Thank you, thank you so much.

01:10:51.000 Congratulations also on your grandchild if I may say.

01:10:53.000 Thank you.

01:10:54.000 Fantastic.

01:10:54.000 And if you're in the country in the middle of July, we'd love you to appear at our event, Community.

01:10:59.000 We've got some fantastic people here.

01:11:00.000 Or are you going to be busy campaigning to be the president?

01:11:02.000 No, at that point in July I'll be back in the States, but thank you.

01:11:05.000 But I'll be back a lot with that new grandbaby.

01:11:07.000 Try and be a president.

01:11:08.000 Oh yeah, you've got to come back and see your grandbaby.

01:11:10.000 Thank you.

01:11:10.000 To follow Marianne's campaign, go to marianne2024.com and continue to advocate for democracy, I would say, across the spectrum in any way possible.

01:11:21.000 That's all we've got time for this week, but to join our locals community, you've just got to press the red button.

01:11:25.000 You can hit us up with your comments and stuff, and you get lots of podcasts, meditations, and all sorts of inside information.

01:11:31.000 Thanks once again, Marianne Williamson.

01:11:33.000 Thank you.

01:11:33.000 Well done, Gareth Roy.

01:11:35.000 Join us next week, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.

01:11:38.000 Until then, stay free.

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