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00:00:53.000You know, she's standing for president in the Democrat Party.
00:00:56.000We're going to be talking to her about the issues that matter.
00:00:59.000We're not going to get bound up in the narratives of the left, are we?
00:01:02.000We're going to, in fact, direct her towards populist, libertarian and anarchist arguments about systemic corruption and the failure of power.
00:01:11.000Then, Joe, what I'm going to do sometimes Gareth, my on-screen assistant, and my friend, my co-conspirator, I'm going to keep stitching in the spirituality from which she made her fame and fortune.
00:01:23.000Because you know that Marianne Williamson, I think she interpreted a book called the Book of Miracles, which claims that it's a message from Jesus.
00:01:31.000You've heard him, let me know in the chat, the comments.
00:01:33.000He re-engaged with someone and offered a new prophecy, like an update.
00:01:50.000Well, straight away, I wonder if the plates are even there.
00:01:53.000Anyway, we're going to be talking about that.
00:01:54.000We've got a fantastic presentation for you where we have a deeper look at a new story that I didn't even tell you about because it would surprise you.
00:02:01.000We'll be talking about Rand Paul and how the Republican Party are beating the drums for an ongoing war Let me know in the comments and the chat if there's anyone in American politics who doesn't want a war with someone.
00:02:19.000I'm gonna ask Marianne Williamson who she wants a war with.
00:02:38.000Watch a loyal Kingsguard so committed to his duties that he attempts to continue to play the trombone while he is unconscious and on the floor.
00:02:48.000Because I know some people who play the French horn We'll give up the slightest obstacle.
00:02:53.000It's Gareth Roy who wouldn't play it in Sydney Opera House just because he didn't have the right type of little fissile thing in it or something, wasn't it?
00:02:59.000Let's have a look at the Kings Guards.
00:03:01.000He's still going and that's good and overcome the stretchers.
00:03:10.000The other lads, though, they've been told, like, just, if ever, they must be a bit in the training, but they go, if ever one of you falls over, just act like it's not happening.
00:07:18.000So what's so amazing about this is that the idea of endless wars is something that's like, no, hang on, I'm not sure we should debate this, whether to end endless wars.
00:07:39.000I mean, is it any wonder that war has become acceptable, that war undergirds the American economy, when even in an event that ought to be and used to be counter-cultural, like Gay Pride, it's Gay Pride Month, Lockheed Martin are allowed to sponsor Gay Pride?
00:08:55.000If you're accepting sponsorship from Lockheed Martin, what would be unacceptable?
00:09:00.000Let me know in the chat and the comments.
00:09:01.000I mean, if you're taking Lockheed Martin's money, our Lockheed Martin, we are committed to making bombs with people that have sex with whoever they want.
00:09:32.000We talked about it recently, so this was the Authorisation for the Use of Military Force Act, which was signed in 2001, which is the most bipartisan bill to ever take place.
00:09:41.000As in, the most amount of both Republicans and Democrats voted for this thing, under George Bush, to basically go in and use this ability to go to war with anyone.
00:09:50.000I remember that, because Joe Biden said, we've brought Democrats and Republicans together.
00:10:19.000Rand Paul is also talking about the fact that fellow Republicans are banging the drums for war with China.
00:10:24.000So he really is someone who's coming out there and challenging the military-industrial complex and the foreign policy of the United States.
00:10:33.000that the Republican Party are meaningfully and significantly better than the Democrat Party
00:10:37.000or vice versa? Or do you believe now that you need a new independent movement both in media
00:10:42.000and in politics that unites people from across the political spectrum to challenge elite
00:10:47.000establishment power? If you have a situation where Lockheed Martin is sponsoring gay pride,
00:10:52.000where it takes people from the right to campaign against war, how do you...
00:10:56.000Haven't all the categories gone all muddled up into some sort of swirling chaos, some nonsense that creates conflict among us and actually perpetuates the ability of the elite establishment to regulate in the way that it likes and profit in the way that it has become accustomed to.
00:11:13.000And is independent media a significant part of the solution to that?
00:11:19.000Now, we know people over the Daily Wire, I've been on Ben Shapiro's show, I've met Candice Owen before, but I think the conversations I've had with both of them have been really based around the differences we have Politically, that sometimes I think there's a lack of, what do I want to call it, compassion and empathy in some of the arguments that they advance.
00:11:48.000This is related to conversations around gender.
00:11:50.000I think these are specifically around that and YouTube guidelines have changed again with regard to that.
00:11:56.000So I think Jeremy Boring's position on this is that YouTube have again kind of changed their guidelines and eliminated certain things that, you know, can't be talked about anymore.
00:12:36.000So it's obviously perfectly... It's ludicrous and cynical to imagine that political issues cross over with these... I mean, how can there be a connection between missiles that are blowing up kids around the world, and even if they're being legitimately used in just wars?
00:13:05.000I mean, obviously, you know, discussing, you know, gender identity and things is something that, you know, you wouldn't want to in any way make anyone Feel uncomfortable with at all in the kind of content that we create but I guess maybe the hypocrisy there is well, you can have Lockheed Martin Sponsor gay pride and yet this you know, and yet the Daily Y will be censored on YouTube
00:13:40.000Do you have a problem with Pride Month sponsoring Lockheed Martin?
00:13:44.000And what does it mean to Pride as a force for counterculture, activism and service of previously maligned and potentially still maligned communities if a corporate interest of that nature can hijack the event?
00:14:17.000You are 6.4, nearly 6.5 million Awakening Wonders, potentially a shadow band away from our content for all we know, that we adore.
00:14:25.000and love. But you've got to click the link on Rumble if you want to hear us talk about
00:14:29.000the first month of lockdown and how it cut potentially up to a year and a half off the
00:14:33.000lives of heart attack victims, which is something that's been recently alleged.
00:14:38.000We're also going to be talking more broadly about how those measures potentially create an environment of compliant, dumb, numb citizens incapable of confronting corrupt power.
00:14:49.000That's also... And Marianne Williamson's going to be on the show.
00:14:53.000We're going to be asking her about her campaign for the presidency as a Democrat, the lack of debates that are being offered.
00:14:59.000So if you've got any questions for her, please feel free to post them in the chat over on Locals, the red button.
00:15:22.000But what I'm not going to do is be silly.
00:15:23.000I will say that what is this study, Gareth, that says that the first month of lockdown potentially cut up to a year and a half of the lives of Heart attack victims.
00:15:31.000Presumably they didn't have access to care.
00:15:34.000Well, it was actually... This was published by The Lancet.
00:15:37.000So this is not, again, it's not conspiracy theorists.
00:15:39.000It's not someone in the far-flung corners of the internet.
00:15:42.000This is published by The Lancet and features in The Telegraph.
00:15:46.000So it was about the stay-at-home orders, protect the NHS, save lives edict of Boris Johnson at the time when he did that first.
00:15:54.000Well, there's nothing to suggest we can't trust Boris Johnson.
00:15:57.000It's there Boris Johnson is a Prime Minister and a good man.
00:15:59.000Whether it's campaigning for ongoing laws, or lying through the teeth about how many parties he had during the lockdown period, or refusing to name and admit to how many children he's had, there's something for everyone when it comes to former Prime Minister Boris Johnson, a sort of blubbery haircut of a man who managed to gaff his way to the top.
00:16:21.000And when he said stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives, What people who had heart attacks did was stay at home and not bother the NHS.
00:16:29.000This is what they've discovered, is that I think it was a 40% fall in admissions for heart attack victims.
00:16:37.000So people were literally having heart attacks and not administering themselves into hospital.
00:16:42.000for fear of bothering the NHS because they've been told by Boris Johnson who, as we know, has been, you know, won't release his WhatsApp messages around lockdown.
00:16:50.000They've admitted they wanted to scare people during the pandemic.
00:16:53.000People with actual heart attacks didn't go to hospital.
00:16:55.000Now I don't have access to the data here for what is statistically more dangerous, a heart attack or coronavirus, but an educated guess might be that you are more likely to die of a heart attack than of coronavirus.
00:17:09.000A hysteria was induced during that time.
00:17:12.000And I feel that more broadly and beyond this issue, when we are in a state of fear, we are unable to make correct, rational, sensible, pragmatic decisions.
00:17:22.000Like, for example, a person who's had a heart attack not calling an ambulance because they're worried about someone that's We've got a version of a cold and their impact on that.
00:17:30.000Now loads of people died of coronavirus.
00:17:32.000Coronavirus certainly had an impact, not denying the existence of coronavirus or doing anything that's legit, crazy or mental.
00:17:39.000It's just so plain that the framing of the pandemic was advantageous to one set of interests and disadvantageous to another set of interests.
00:17:47.000And the second set is almost everybody in the entire world.
00:17:52.000of elite, elite interests, whether that's the pharmaceutical industry or the state or people
00:17:57.000like Boris Johnson who benefited throughout that period, not least because he had transgressive
00:18:02.000little parties. Yeah, exactly. And I guess certainly the more we discover about lockdowns
00:18:06.000and the ineffectiveness or effectiveness of lockdowns, however you want to talk about it,
00:18:12.000the more that information like this becomes more and more relevant, you know, and what we were
00:18:17.000talking about the other day, this counter disinformation unit that was set up by the
00:18:21.000government as well to track and monitor and censor people who online were raising suspicions about
00:18:30.000lockdowns in particular and vaccine passports and things like that.
00:18:35.000Things that you could say now with the evidence that we have were valid, and much in the same way that Mark Zuckerberg recently admitted to Lex Friedman that Facebook were censoring things that have now turned out to be true.
00:18:46.000You know, it's all becoming a lot more relevant.
00:18:48.000Along with Joe Rogan being dismissed as a conspiracy theorist for his use of ivermectin, which I can mention over here, and the BBC, our publicly funded, that means you fund it, broadcaster over here has just established a new misinformation, malinformation, disinformation unit that will label, according to his own tastes and presumably
00:19:07.000according to his own funding, an additional 4.1 million from the government, information
00:19:11.000and sources of information, primarily from independent media, that it deems to be unsuitable.
00:19:17.000It's clear that there is a new industry around censorship. It's clear that they are
00:19:23.000looking for new ways to smear and control narratives that are at odds with the interests of the
00:19:29.000powerful. That's why it was so important for me to have that conversation with Michael and Matt Taibbi.
00:19:35.000And Gareth, it's so unforgivable that you saw it as a platform for your own demented views
00:19:41.000and your own strong sexual feelings for both Matt and Michael. We're going to be
00:19:48.000speaking to Marianne Williamson live in the studio in a minute before that. Here's the news. No,
00:20:01.000Oh Mark Zuckerberg has admitted that Facebook censored true information.
00:20:07.000So why are we creating a censorship industrial complex that will be able to do that to all of us whenever it wants?
00:20:16.000Mark Zuckerberg admitting in his brilliant interview with Lex Friedman that Facebook censored information that turned out to be debatable or true.
00:20:24.000That doesn't seem like the right way to treat information does it?
00:20:32.000Let's get into this story and watch what Zuckerberg said to Friedman that started us off on this trail of inquiry.
00:20:39.000So misinformation I think is has been a really tricky one, because there are things that are kind of obviously false, right, that are maybe factual, but may not be harmful.
00:20:56.000So it's like, all right, are you gonna censor someone for just being wrong?
00:21:02.000It's, you know, if there's no kind of harm implication of what they're doing, I think that that's, there's a bunch of real kind of issues and challenges there.
00:21:09.000But then, I think that there are other places where it is, you know, just take some of the stuff around COVID earlier on in the pandemic, where there were real health implications, but there hadn't been time to fully vet a bunch of the scientific assumptions.
00:21:26.000Unfortunately, I think a lot of the establishment on that kind of waffled on a bunch of facts and asked for a bunch of things to be censored that, in retrospect, ended up being more debatable or true.
00:21:40.000That stuff is really tough and really undermines trust.
00:21:43.000It does undermine trust and it is indeed tough, so we certainly shouldn't create models that are able to continue to behave in that way.
00:21:51.000In retrospect, let me know in the chat in the comments, do you think that what should have happened is that views from all sides of the scientific and sociological spectrum ought to have been included And a consensus formed around it because what actually happened is assumptions were made that were beneficial to the state and their ability to regulate and impose law and order and to various industries but most notably and obviously the pharmaceutical industry.
00:22:16.000Now, it's not a conspiracy theory to say that the information was presented in a way that was beneficial to the state and beneficial to the pharmaceutical industry.
00:22:24.000Doesn't mean that they even manipulatively and deliberately did it.
00:22:27.000There is such a thing as unconscious bias.
00:22:29.000We've had on our show Robert F. Kennedy and his views are, as I know a lot of yours are, a little more pronounced.
00:23:41.000So hatred, hate speech, we're not debating or doubting that those things exist.
00:23:47.000It's just that we believe they're being highlighted Where it's germane and apposite and beneficial to the interests of the powerful, for want of a better phrase, and being ignored if it can't be mobilized in order to justify censorship and measures of control.
00:24:02.000Their demands thus go far beyond what the censorship industrial complex was able to get away with over the last six years.
00:24:09.000Across thousands of pages of attorneys' general lawsuits, thousands of pages of congressional reports and testimony, and hundreds of pages of Twitter and Facebook files themselves, it's clear that here was a highly coordinated campaign by top White House officials, government agencies, and government-funded contractors to demand Twitter, Facebook, and other social media companies censor, in their own words, often true content, including about drug side effects, both to prevent the public from seeing it, but also to spread misinformation on behalf of a political agenda.
00:24:36.000It's Beyond irony that the category of misinformation itself has been created in order, I believe, to perpetuate misinformation.
00:24:46.000In order that the state or certain other establishment or elite interests can convey their message to you, to us, the category of mis, dis, and mal information has been created so that true and debatable information can be censored.
00:24:59.000That, as you are already aware, is literally Orwellian.
00:25:05.000The meaning of words is being altered in order to expedite measures that would have been unthinkable, as Schellenberger says, just a few years ago.
00:25:12.000The picture many of us have of journalists is Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman in All the President's Men.
00:25:18.000He clearly thinks that him and Matt Taibbi are like, we're the new Redford and Hoffman.
00:25:22.000Yeah, we're breaking down barriers, man.
00:25:24.000Or the journalists in Spotlight, She Said and The Post.
00:25:27.000They are dogged seekers of truth determined to overcome any obstacle in their way of discovering it and reporting it to the world.
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00:27:02.000But the real world But the real-world behavior of many journalists today at top news media companies is the exact opposite.
00:27:12.000They plot secretly with the Aspen Institute, each other, and social media executives about how to kill stories damaging to the president.
00:27:19.000And they help former CIA directors and fellows spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, including that Russians stole the 2016 election, controlled Donald Trump through a video of prostitutes urinating on him, and somehow had stolen Hunter Biden's laptop.
00:27:32.000I mean all of that is a bit mental and ridiculous in retrospect and also for me is the scalpel that we can use to cut away the idea that the Democrat Party are the representatives of righteousness, justice and ordinary people.
00:27:48.000The idea that they are led by any incentives other than how to best serve the donor class is, to me, ridiculous at this point.
00:27:56.000Rather than quote from different sides, these journalists denounced their enemies.
00:27:59.000They dismissed as racist and as a debunked conspiracy theory that COVID-19 might have escaped from a Chinese lab, while insisting that it was somehow less racist and far-fetched to believe the virus travelled a thousand miles from the countryside before sickening someone at a live wet market.
00:28:14.000And they demanded that Twitter de-platform disfavored voices like Twitter Files reporter Alex Berenson.
00:28:19.000I guess what Michael Schellenberger is pointing out is the necessity for principles and values that don't alter depending on where you stand in the argument.
00:28:26.000Censorship is a great example of that.
00:28:28.000If you're against censorship, it means that you've got to allow people to criticize things that you believe to be true in order to achieve a mutual consensus.
00:28:38.000If you say, oh actually I do believe in censorship now, I didn't a few years ago when it wasn't convenient.
00:28:42.000This is the problem that we're facing now, a kind of a moral abyss at the heart of government and at the heart of all of our institutions.
00:28:48.000There's a warping of reality taking place.
00:28:50.000When you couple a more grounded story like this about the observable establishment of the censorship industrial complex achieved through the consensus of government and big tech platforms, then add to it UFOs seem to be real now.
00:29:01.000Don't you recognise that things have really got to change?
00:29:42.000And conspiracy theories were either something you treated with whimsy Or investigated seriously, depending on your perspective.
00:29:50.000Not, don't you say that, and then try to bolt it onto something truly nefarious, like racism or antisemitism, in order to shut it down.
00:29:58.000For me, what I feel like we're experiencing is a time of real sanitization.
00:30:02.000Not in order to generate safety, but in order to generate control.
00:30:07.000Recently, I was watching Harry Potter 5, which is my main reference point these days.
00:30:11.000And when Imelda Staunton's character comes into Hogwarts, It's with the pretense of making things safer, more secure and regulated.
00:30:18.000But what she of course actually does is removes magic.
00:30:21.000And this is happening across our culture.
00:30:23.000We're being closed down, shut down, sanitized, a kind of astringent antiseptic being applied to everything.
00:30:29.000But the cost of that is the removal of the rather viscous and effervescent quality that human beings have when we're allowed to rub against one another.
00:30:38.000I don't mean that literally, I mean psychologically.
00:30:41.000It's clear there are both organic cultural and ideological reasons, as well as partisan political motivations, but there are also financial ones.
00:30:47.000Consider the mass media attacks on Joe Rogan, whose podcasting model has drawn viewers away from traditional media and upended the economics of the news industry.
00:30:56.000In other words, it's not just that independent sub-stack journalists like Berenson threatens establishment orthodoxies, it's also that we threaten the media's credibility and viability.
00:31:07.000Where this coalesces neatly is the issue of Tucker Carlson versus Fox News.
00:31:13.000Tucker Carlson saying the kind of stuff he used to be able to say on Fox News.
00:31:16.000Fox News want to shut him down and sue him for both economic and ideological reasons.
00:31:21.000Mainstream media is Quaking now because of new models independent media organizations like ours or Lex Friedman the platforms like Twitter and Facebook and Google that have themselves now become oligarchical and are in league with the state necessarily and some of them as you're aware had funding from the state oddly early stages of their inception have
00:31:42.000And now what's essentially being attempted is how do we assert control in an almost entirely alien landscape.
00:31:49.000So it's not just ideological, as Schellenberger points out, it's also economic.
00:31:53.000But economics is the dominant ideology of our time.
00:31:57.000If you threaten their financial interest, you're threatening the heart of their cathedral.
00:32:02.000Meanwhile everyone from President Joe Biden to former President Barack Obama is actively promoting the big lie that hate, including antisemitism, is rising in a transparent effort to give governments more power to censor.
00:32:13.000Of course they have to amplify the threat to legitimize the action that will lead to censorship.
00:32:18.000You remember this in the post 9-11 environment.
00:32:21.000New measures of security and surveillance were introduced.
00:32:24.000Now that that threat seems to have been somewhat lifted or somewhat diluted, have the measures changed?
00:32:30.000In fact, when it came for time to review the bill that allowed the government to surveil Americans abroad, And at home, they didn't review it or change it, citing Mexican drug cartels as the reason that these surveillance measures would have to remain in place.
00:33:20.000There is a censorship industrial complex.
00:33:22.000Mark Zuckerberg himself, who of course was in correspondence with Fauci during the pandemic asking how he could help, has now done a public mea culpa in a new alternative media space, the brilliant podcast of Lex Friedman.
00:33:35.000The world is changing and if we continue to act with Integrity and authenticity.
00:33:39.000The correct changes will be given a chance to flourish.
00:33:42.000But of course there is an oppositional force.
00:33:43.000Those old institutions aren't going to give up without a fight.
00:33:46.000That's why you're seeing Matt Taibbi and Michael Schellenberger sat before congressional committees being treated like criminals.
00:34:00.000We of course have economic interests ourselves but hopefully they do not override our ideological interests and our desire to connect with you truthfully and openly and learn from you and share with you because I'm on this planet with you and I'm frightened as well and I know that on my own I'm not enough and that on my own I will fail.
00:34:18.000That's why I need you to believe in us the same way that we're trying to believe in you so that we can confront unprecedented power.
00:34:26.000For the first time there is the opportunity to impose global measures on entire populations Let me know what you think in the comments in the chat. See
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00:34:46.000I'm very excited to announce that I'm being joined by a renowned spiritual teacher, best-selling author of A Return to Love, and now presidential candidate without debate.
00:34:55.000Please welcome to the show Marianne Williamson.
00:35:00.000Mariam, what do you think it tells us about the state of internal politics within the Democrat Party that we are foregoing the possibility to see some interesting candidates debate the current President Joe Biden?
00:35:14.000What does it tell us about the internal machinery of the Democratic Party?
00:35:17.000Well, it tells us that there is an elite, an establishment elite, who feels that they have the right to shoehorn in the president.
00:35:25.000And for a party that claims to be, and should be, such a champion of democracy, there's no reason for it to be so wary of democracy in our own house.
00:35:34.000Of course the president should be debating his primary challengers.
00:35:39.000I suppose what it shows you is that, in that instance at least, we have the appearance of democracy, or the claim is being made that we live within a democracy, and the party takes its name from that word, and yet we have a managed, siphoned and stymied process How telling is it that Joe Biden was able to say to a significant portion of the donor class when he addressed them prior to becoming president that nothing will fundamentally change?
00:36:09.000What does that tell you about the influence of donation and external corporate funding upon the political process and in particular the funding of the Democrat Party?
00:36:20.000Although of course this would be true of both parties, right?
00:36:22.000Yes, let's not pretend that the Republican Party is not completely pervaded by corporate influence.
00:36:30.000There's a reason why this is now called by so many people a corporate duopoly.
00:36:34.000The Democratic Party still tries to have it both ways.
00:36:37.000You know, there was a time when, more than not, the Democratic Party was an unequivocal, unabashed advocate for the people.
00:36:44.000The people, particularly the working people of the United States.
00:36:47.000It was during Bill Clinton's presidency, when he formed something called the Democratic Leadership Council, that they sort of decided to try to have it both ways.
00:36:56.000Yes, be there for the people, but we too can play with the big boys, raise all the money that it will take in order to remain competitive and so forth.
00:37:04.000And this really tore the soul, it's a rupture in the soul of the Democratic Party.
00:37:09.000So that now, in the Democratic Party, as in the Republican Party, there are these two major elements.
00:37:14.000And for the Democrats, there are the corporatists, the elitists, the establishment, and then there are the progressives.
00:37:20.000Now, the establishment elitists almost act as though the progressives are trying to hijack the party.
00:37:46.000How will it be possible to make the kind of significant changes that are required in the area of health, the way that it's funded and the way that it's administered, when big food has such coercive power over policy and the ability to promote and fund detrimental food sources?
00:38:05.000And when Big Pharma, through lobbying, donation and influence over regulation, has such significant power, but one example being the refusal to evoke the law that would prohibit a cancer drug being sold profitably.
00:38:19.000How can you change health without changing the corporatization of America, the corporatization of food and pharma?
00:38:29.000Well, I mentioned on the debate stage in the last election exactly what you just said.
00:38:33.000We don't have a health care system, we have a sickness care system.
00:38:37.000We have to ask ourselves, why do Americans have such a higher rate of chronic illness than, for instance, the Europeans do?
00:38:44.000And as you just said, and as I said at the debates, for that you have to talk about more than just the health insurance companies, more than pharmaceutical.
00:38:53.000You have to talk about big agriculture, you have to talk about the chemical companies, and of course you have to talk about big food.
00:38:58.000The corporatocracy itself puts short-term profit maximization, and when I say the corporatocracy, I mean all of them.
00:39:06.000Insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, big food, big ag, big chemical, gun manufacturers, big oil, and defense contractors.
00:39:13.000It serves us to see they're all one big matrix of corporate, what is at this point, tyranny.
00:39:20.000And as long as they are put in short-term corporate maximization, and for themselves, and as long as the government supports them in that more than not, then that will be at the expense of the safety and health and the well-being of the American people, animals, our children, and our planet itself.
00:39:37.000And this is taking us on a trajectory that is now More than unsustainable, it is self-destructive to our democracy and possibly long-term to our species.
00:39:51.000The American economy appears to require war in order to sustain itself.
00:39:57.000And when the military-industrial complex has such significant power, again through lobbying, again through donation, when we have the slightly absurd spectre of an event like Gay Pride, which has always been a counter-cultural movement, being sponsored by Lockheed Martin, what does it tell us about where our values are?
00:40:19.000And may I fold into this question, forgive me, What do you think is a greater threat to global peace?
00:40:26.000Is it despots like Vladimir Putin and his admittedly criminal invasion of Ukraine, which many people believe was subsequent to a great deal of provocation from NATO?
00:40:37.000Or is it an economic system that plainly and explicitly requires war to remain in business?
00:40:45.000I would disagree with the word requires, and you used it twice.
00:40:59.000Just as we have to make a just transition.
00:41:02.000From a dirty economy to a clean economy, we have to make a just transition from a war economy to a peace economy.
00:41:10.000And in terms of the reason the word requires is inappropriate there is because the return on investment is much greater when you're talking about money that is given to health, that is given to education.
00:41:22.000It only is required by those small Donor class, the 1% of Americans who make so much money on it.
00:41:29.000It's only required by Raytheon, by Northrop Grumman, by Boeing and by their stockholders.
00:41:36.000So this is a change that we need to make.
00:41:39.000In the meantime, the vast economic power and governmental power and the undue influence of the military-industrial complex on our government does create a problem in the world and that goes back to
00:42:06.000We saw it with what we saw with Vietnam, but we certainly saw it with Iraq.
00:42:10.000We saw it with staying in in Afghanistan, probably 20 years longer than we should have.
00:42:18.000And certainly it's a complicated issue in Ukraine today.
00:42:22.000I'm glad that you made the point that we should not be apologizing for the brutal invasion of Vladimir Putin, at the same time it is naive of us to fail
00:42:36.000to recognize at the very least the meddling on the part of the US defense
00:42:41.000establishment and the in the domestic affairs of Ukraine. One of the stories we
00:42:46.000covered on the show was how the International Criminal Court could not call
00:42:50.000upon the United States for evidence because if they were to participate in that
00:42:54.000trial it would reveal the degree to which they had been involved in
00:43:01.000And the reason we're not a member of the court is because there's too great a chance that they would come after George Bush and Dick Cheney.
00:43:07.000So we have, you know, for us to be now going on and on and on about other people who have caused wars that should not have been fought.
00:43:14.000The world sees the hypocrisy and the American people are beginning to see the threat that all that represents to our democracy itself.
00:43:20.000How did it feel standing as a candidate for the Democrat Party knowing that within living memory, and in fact recent memory, it was figures like Cheney and Bush and Wolfowitz that were regarded as the hawkish figureheads of militarism and now we have to accept that it is Joe Biden that said I'll
00:43:38.000make Saudi Arabia a pariah before doing weapons deals and oils deals and facilitating
00:43:44.000military deals from the LGBTQ plus communities friends at Lockheed Martin. How does it feel to see as Tulsi
00:43:52.000as Tulsi Gabbard acknowledges, recognize that the Democrat Party has become co-opted by
00:43:53.000Gabbard acknowledges, recognize that the Democrat party has become co-opted by
00:43:58.000the military-industrial complex, and how do you reverse a process that at this point seems
00:43:58.000the military industrial complex, and how do you reverse a process that at this point seems
00:44:36.000This didn't start with Joe Biden that you see the same kind of undue corporate influence among the Democrats in too many cases that you see among the Republicans.
00:44:45.000It's strange though, we covered this today, that it's Rand Paul that's saying we need to challenge the Forever Wars Emergency Act Bill that's being taken through Congress currently.
00:44:55.000That it's coming from figures, libertarians within the right, that are most willing it seems to me, other than the candidature of yourself and RFK, to challenge the kind of establishment power That you are outlining and describing.
00:45:09.000Are you saying therefore, Marianne, that you think that it's wrong to accept funding from Big Food, that it's wrong to allow Big Food and Big Pharma to fund their own regulatory bodies?
00:45:44.000Let's say something like the very Secretary of Defense.
00:45:49.000Traditionally, the Secretary of Defense was not to be a military man.
00:45:53.000And the last thing that the Secretary of Defense should be is someone who comes from the defense industry.
00:45:58.000Now with Trump, Trump made General Mattis a military man.
00:46:02.000This is what's so dangerous in this country.
00:46:05.000I'm old enough to remember, wait, we're not supposed to do that.
00:46:08.000But you have too many younger generations who don't even remember a time, they don't have it in their institutional memory, when people would go, hey, you're not supposed to do that.
00:46:17.000And people in Congress who even know it won't say anything.
00:46:20.000Now what they did with Biden, not only is our Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin a former general, he is a former Board member at Raytheon.
00:47:18.000Of course, prior to your incarnation as a political figure, you are most well known for your work in the area of spirituality and wellness, which I know can be regarded unfairly, I think, as somehow unsubstantial or insubstantial.
00:47:37.000What I feel is that there is a lack of integrity in politics that you alluded to then.
00:47:43.000There's no one saying that you shouldn't be doing this.
00:47:45.000There's no one pointing out the obvious fact that you shouldn't have board members of weapons manufacturers within the Pentagon advocating for further deals.
00:47:55.000How do you feel, and what do you feel, is the appropriate role for spirituality in politics?
00:48:02.000What are we going to do about this kind of moral abyss at the heart of our global politics?
00:48:08.000And this kind of, I want to almost say, institutionalized self-centeredness that you see, it seems to me, in figures like, and I know a lot of you love Donald Trump, but he is a pretty egocentric kind of guy, and then career politicians like Joe Biden, who, for me, While even when seeming convivial appears to be an entrenched old-school politician who's there to represent establishment values.
00:48:33.000What do we do about this self-centredness?
00:48:35.000In our politics over here in the UK, Boris Johnson, it's like you're dealing with man-child mentality, unawakened, uninitiated people.
00:48:44.000How do you suggest that those kind of cultural changes could be made and how are we suffering as a result of the lack of those changes?
00:48:51.000I want to start by saying the first time I ever heard you speak publicly.
00:48:55.000It was at a luncheon in Los Angeles for a home, I think, for women.
00:49:03.000You, so I really want to thank you because you are one of the people who has helped elevate, for those of us who have heard you, and I don't know how much you've done this in broader mainstream circles, but you, more than anyone that I've ever heard, has talked about spiritual principles, issues of whether it's AA or any other, and how serious they are and how substantial they are.
00:49:24.000Now in terms of the effect of a lack of spiritual principle on personal behavior or political behavior, when you have a lack of conscience, when you have a lack of remorse, when you have a complete lack of any sense of responsibility, moral responsibility to people, to life, to planet, that's called sociopathic.
00:49:46.000It is considered, and rightfully so, in terms of personal behavior, a malevolence, a deadly malevolence.
00:49:54.000Now we need to recognize that our economic system is at this point.
00:49:58.000When you're talking about hyper-capitalism, when you're talking about unfettered capitalism, it is a sociopathic public phenomenon.
00:50:07.000Even Adam Smith, who was the primary architect of free market capitalism, said, it cannot exist Outside an ethical context.
00:50:19.000So what's happened is that capitalism has completely gone off the rails.
00:50:22.000And there is this, has been for the last 40 years or so, this canard, this wool over people's eyes, where people are supposed to agree that that's a good idea.
00:50:33.000Because the argument was, well, it's really good, see, if you just move all the money into the hands of the stockholders, Even though it's at the expense of the safety of the workers, at the expense of the benefits of the workers, at the expense of the community, at the expense of the environment.
00:50:50.000People were told, and this is such a delusional, malevolent canard, it's going to be good because those people who are going to get all that money, they're going to create jobs, see, and all that money will trickle down and it will lift all boats.
00:51:07.000Well, it's now 40 years later, The jury's in.
00:51:10.000It not only did not lift all boats, it has left millions and millions and millions of people without even a life vest.
00:51:17.000It has destroyed America's middle class.
00:51:20.000Those people's modality is not to create jobs.
00:52:18.000Marianne, and even appearing on platforms like this, it's possible that you will be charged with participating in platforms that carry conspiracy theories, that alt-right, because entire platforms are now being dismissed as as somehow morally unhygienic. I think solely on the basis
00:52:39.000that we are willing to carry alternative voices, that we are willing to challenge establishment
00:52:44.000power, that we have no alliance to the Republican Party or the Democrat Party. How are you
00:52:50.000proposing that your message will be heard sufficiently to carry some support within the movement?
00:52:57.000Well I'm already in the belly of that beast and I know what they did to me last time.
00:54:46.000Yeah, it's a powerful message and it's a personal risk.
00:54:50.000It's interesting to know that both political parties have to, in different ways, elicit the support of, let's say, kind of Christian interest, knowing that what those value sets are meant to be representative of are Spirituality, kindness, decency, morality, but sometimes they become representative of a slightly more murky set of interests.
00:55:16.000But I think that what people are craving are genuine values.
00:55:20.000Integrity, authenticity, service, willingness to sacrifice yourself in favor of a greater cause.
00:55:28.000It seems to me that Our values have been kind of hollowed out, and we have the appearance of compassion, but not the delivery of compassion.
00:55:37.000We have gestures and performance in place of real sacrifice.
00:55:42.000But when you arrive at a point where the party that claims to be liberal operates so plainly on behalf of elite interests, that we are at a point of, as you say, Peaceful revolution.
00:55:57.000It's interesting to watch it unfold because I don't suppose that you imagined that you would find yourself in this position when you were a successful author or becoming a spiritual teacher or and having roles that are not easy really to define actually because the culture doesn't really frame people in that way anymore.
00:56:15.000In a secular culture we're kind of that's been absented somehow and yet politics requires it and public life requires it.
00:56:22.000The over-secularization of America's political dialogue has not actually served us.
00:56:28.000And that over-secularization, and I don't mean a removal of religious language, because we are, I think political dialogue being secular is important, but that doesn't mean it should be devoid of spiritual values.
00:56:41.000And the spiritual values that you just indicated are not just Christian, they are universal spiritual values at the heart of all the great religious systems of the world.
00:56:50.000Now, Christian nationalism, people are seeing it for what it is.
00:56:53.000The Bible does not talk about how, you know, what you should do is give tax cuts to the very, very richest people.
00:57:02.000So people, there is a spiritual revolution going on on the planet.
00:57:08.000And people are recognizing, certainly I recognize, and I believe there is a listening for this, that our public behavior, our political behavior, who we are collectively, Cannot be devoid of moral values any more than our individual lives can be and have a life that works.
00:57:27.000You know, I think that we're living at a time of two simultaneous phenomenon.
00:57:33.000On one hand, there is a world that is crumbling before our eyes.
00:57:37.000An old order of organization and we see the signs of this crumbling everywhere.
00:57:43.000But at the same time, you see that world that is struggling to be born.
00:57:48.000And we are called to be midwives both to the death of one world and midwives to the birth of another.
00:57:55.000And the world that we want is a world in which we take the best of the old and bring forth and reclaim, bring back into our public and collective lives principles like mercy, compassion, humility, forgiveness, integrity, kindness.
00:58:13.000If you see a hungry child, you feed that child.
00:58:16.000If you look at the earth, you know, you remember this was God's creation.
00:58:20.000It was given to us to be proper stewards.
00:58:23.000You don't desecrate it, so a bunch of oil companies can make a lot of money.
00:58:28.000I think that a lot of people are processing all of this right now, and that's why I believe that there is a political possibility that lies before us.
00:58:39.000Right now, where we are now is unsustainable.
00:58:43.000There is going to be this political earthquake.
00:58:48.000It's going to go one way or the other.
00:58:50.000It's either going to be in the direction of democracy and justice or it's going to be in the direction of autocracy and authoritarianism.
00:59:00.000And that's why I think it's important for all of us to decide which are we going to contribute our own energies toward because There's, there's, you can't be neutral at this point.
00:59:11.000Being neutral is serving the oppressor.
00:59:14.000I believe you and I agree with you and I fancy that this line between democracy and compassion and autocracy and tyranny is no longer, we can no longer claim it's drawn down the line between the two parties.
00:59:29.000It's plain that there is a version of Or centralised authoritarianism that has emerged out of the Democratic Party in your analysis since Bill Clinton, but for me is now reaching, I hope it's Zenith or Nadir, depending on how you regard it.
00:59:45.000It's plain that after 2008 and Barack Obama's decision to bail out the banks rather than bailing out ordinary Americans, and we've since seen nobody prosecuted, persecuted or held accountable for those financial crimes, transgressions that we can no longer confidently claim that
01:00:02.000either party or any individuals within it have any moral high ground and I
01:00:07.000think that the continuing the conversation along partisan lines is reductive.
01:00:12.000I know you've said many times when I've asked you before Marianne
01:00:15.000that it's important to change the system from within it and change the system
01:00:18.000outside of it that you don't have to choose one of those options you have to do
01:00:24.000And I appreciate the work that you're doing within it and the manner with which you're carrying it out.
01:00:31.000Are you concerned even in your discourse about presenting a partisan perspective when something bigger than that appears to be required, by my reckoning at least?
01:00:43.000Well, I actually don't agree with you about the moral equivalence between the two parties.
01:00:49.000And I do think that the voices of people who are standing forth and saying, let us have a profound democratic correction in 99% of the time are within the Democratic rather than the Republican Party, sometimes in third parties, sometimes even outside parties.
01:01:04.000So I wouldn't be running as a Democrat if I did not feel a personal choice to be part of the effort to reclaim the soul of the Democratic Party.
01:01:15.000Now having said that, I hope that there are people, and I think that there probably are, who are trying to reclaim the soul of the Republican Party as well.
01:01:22.000I think that some people are feeling, I mean obviously look at Cornell running as a third party candidate.
01:01:28.000When you look at the history of the United States, third party voices have been extremely important.
01:01:33.000Abolition came from the abolitionist party.
01:01:36.000Women's suffrage came from the women's party.
01:01:38.000Social security came from the socialist party.
01:01:41.000So, no, I'm not a fan of the way over the last few decades The Democratic and the Republican Party have formed this unholy alliance, making it very difficult for third-party voices to be heard.
01:01:53.000And you know, George Washington, our first president, warned us about political parties.
01:01:58.000In his farewell address, he said it would form factions of men more concerned with their party than with their country.
01:02:58.000They think that they can just shoehorn in the president.
01:03:02.000And it makes no sense, because if the president cannot take on Bobby Kennedy and myself in a debate, why should we feel confident that he will do well taking on DeSantis or Trump?
01:03:21.000People should have, in a democracy, as you were saying before, in a democracy people should have as wide an array of options as present themselves.
01:03:51.000They should meet the President and hear our agendas.
01:03:54.000And right now it's not just the DNC, but it's also their minions in the corporate media who are doing everything possible to make sure that the likely Democratic voters do not meet In the way that that is clear and meaningful the president's opponents in this primary.
01:04:09.000It's clear that at a time when many people think that the Biden administration has something to hide.
01:04:14.000I'm speaking specifically of the at the moment absolutely denied allegation that Biden took a five million bribe during his time as VP.
01:04:24.000Now that we know that the Hunter Biden laptop story was repressed, Biden's unwillingness to debate people within the Democratic Party that, at least superficially, would appear or seem to have the same basic rubric of beliefs, i.e.
01:04:40.000they are within the Democratic Party, is a suggestion that if there isn't something to hide, and let me know in the chat and the comments what you think, there certainly appears to be fear, Fear around having conversation with people perhaps with more moral integrity.
01:04:54.000Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments.
01:04:56.000Gareth Roy is my favourite journalist online.
01:04:58.000Gareth, do you have any conversations for Marianne Williamson?
01:05:02.000Or have I done such a brilliant investigation that there's literally no territory?
01:05:06.000You usually manage to add to these conversations.
01:05:09.000I wonder what you'd like to add this time?
01:05:11.000No, I think it's been a great interview and I think it's given us a chance to hear some of your very strong views about the corporatisation of politics, which I think a lot of our audience feel very strongly and passionately about.
01:05:28.000I think, as Russell mentioned, the 2008 crash, I think also the pandemic, During which, of which there was a wealth transfer, I think people started to, I think from both sides, started to feel like this myth that they'd been told for a long time about trickle-down economics and how capitalism's working, started to really see up close how it wasn't working and how it was kind of at warp speeds not working for them.
01:05:59.000I just wondered, from your perspective, do you feel like change is inevitable?
01:06:06.000We seem to be at a point whereby you're doing very well in the polls, RFK's doing very well in the polls.
01:06:13.000In the way that maybe Donald Trump talked about draining the swamp, that sentiment seems to be something that I think voters from both sides are now, have really bought into the idea that there has to be change to the corporatization of politics.
01:06:29.000Do you feel that if, we have a lot of our viewers who are often quite despondent about change, who ask, what can we do?
01:07:00.000We've seen enough happen in the last few decades that it should convince any reasonable person that our, our institutions are fragile and they are in many ways under attack.
01:07:10.000I see authoritarianism as an attack on our democracy from the outside, but this kind of trickle down economics, unfair to capitalism, neoliberalism is eroding it from the inside.
01:07:20.000So, no, it's time for Americans to wake up.
01:07:26.000It is not a guarantee that our democracy will survive.
01:07:30.000However, if you look at the trajectory of American history, we have course corrected before.
01:07:36.000You know, it's Winston Churchill who said, you can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they have exhausted every other option.
01:07:46.000That's sort of our character or logical propensity.
01:07:49.000We sort of like we're kind of like distracted before once we get it.
01:07:54.000So this is mine is a country that ultimately responded to slavery with abolition.
01:08:01.000Ultimately responded to the institutional suppression of women with the women's movement and the 19th Amendment that ultimately responded to the Gilded Age with the labor movement that ultimately responded to segregation with the civil rights movement.
01:08:15.000This is some what we are going through now is simply the latest iteration of a struggle that is baked into the cake in my country that has been with us from the very beginning.
01:08:26.000We have always been a country which is struggling this almost bipolar nature on one hand based on these extraordinarily enlightened principles and at the on the other hand containing forces starting with slavery who for their own ideological and financial purposes Had no intention whatsoever of seeing those principles realized, and would go to great lengths, even violent ones, to make sure that they did not.
01:08:55.000So, what we're experiencing now, it's just our turn.
01:08:59.000Do I think it's possible for us to do what our ancestors did?
01:09:03.000To rise up, to figure this out, to say, hell no, no way, and push back?
01:09:18.000It will take a strong labor movement, which is why the regeneration and revitalization of the labor movement going on in this country right in my country right now is a really good thing.
01:09:28.000But we can't leave out electoral politics.
01:09:30.000And it would be very, very helpful right now to have a president who laid it down and told it like it is.
01:09:36.000And that's the last one we really had like that was Franklin Roosevelt.
01:09:39.000And it's time for another Rooseveltian character.
01:09:43.000Certainly, if a new poll is to be believed, the American public, even those that define
01:09:50.000themselves as Democrats, want debates.
01:09:52.000A recent poll says that eight in ten Democratic primary voters want Joe Biden to debate.
01:09:56.000Let us know what you think in the chat and comments.
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01:10:04.000The Karen Dorn says, I owe all of my works in the animal rights world to Marianne Williamson.
01:10:08.000I used to sing in the choir before her lectures at the town hall in New York City.
01:10:12.000Though animal rights are not the top of her priority list, they move me more than anything else and she inspired me to devote my life to what made most of me, to shine my light and to pray use me.
01:10:22.000She is one of the most Thank you very much for joining us.
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