In this episode of Stay Free With Russell Brand, Russell is joined by journalist Matt Taibbi to talk about the war on free speech, and why Hillary Clinton is running for president in 2020. Also, we re talking about Big Pharma and Joe Biden's broken promises to lower drug prices. And, of course, there s some new data on vaccine side effects, which is not allowed to be discussed on the show because it s not allowed on YouTube. Can you guess what that is? Can you tell us what it is, because we can t? And, as always, thanks for listening to Stay Free with Russell Brand. Stay Free, and Don t forget to Like, Share, and Subscribe to our new podcast, RUMBLE, wherever you re listening to podcasts. Stay free, and remember: you re not gonna want to miss it! In this video, you re going to see the future. In this episode, you ll get a special bonus episode exclusively on Rumble, where the whole show will be exclusively available on Rumble. You ll get to listen to the entire show exclusively on the podcast, so you ll be sure to stay free forever. Stay free! (and don t miss out on the next episode on Rumble! Stay Free, and stay free, stay ! - R.B. Brand Matt Taffet . R. B. . . . R. BRADY , R. , R, R. S. BILLY , and R. R. M. BON & R. JAMES is . , , TAYLORR. BORROW , M. J., , P. M., R. P. BOB , S. SON , J. J. S., M. E. , and M. A. BAY, , BOB, J. D. , AND SO MUCH MORE! , ENJOYING IT? , AND MUCH MORE? ...and so much more! ... , we ll be talking about the future, RUSSIA, RAAAAY, ROODS, RATE, RYAN PODCAST, RAY AND SONGS, BECAUSE WE'LL BE SEXUAL, RIDDLE, AND THE FUTURE, RULY, AND MORE!
00:01:00.000Thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:01:02.000Wherever you happen to be watching this, maybe you're watching it on YouTube, the whole show will be exclusively on Rumble and you ain't gonna want to miss it because we're talking about Big Pharma today, Biden's broken promises to lower drug prices.
00:01:13.000This is such a beautiful bit of footage of Biden being so sanctimonious and sincere about he's just a regular guy affected like all of us by those bloody fat cats in Big Pharma.
00:01:24.000Sort of never mentioning he's the President of the United States during all of it.
00:01:44.000I'm going to ask him a question, like... You should hold that up and say that.
00:01:48.000I'm going to go, yeah, this is what I'm going to do.
00:01:49.000All right, Matt, tell us exactly why you appeared as a Republican witness and how the issue of free speech transcends normal political boundaries, because ultimately it will always affect all of us because we don't know who's in authority.
00:02:00.000We've got, OK, so me and... I'm going to just go, it's my time, it's my time, it's my time, and then implicit, it's my time to shine like the girl boss queen I am deep down.
00:02:13.000Once we're only on Rumble, we're going to be talking about, as usual, some new data on vaccine side effects.
00:02:19.000Can you euphemistically tell me what that is?
00:02:42.000What is the whole tone of this piece of propaganda?
00:02:45.000This is obviously a piece of propaganda of some kind.
00:02:47.000It's one of those probably sort of an online education facility of some description that hasn't gone to the trouble of investigating Hillary Clinton's past.
00:03:02.000She's so cool and down with the cats and kids!
00:03:06.000It's such a terrible misstep, a misinterpretation of what reality is.
00:03:11.000And I suppose that's the fundamental problem, isn't it, with contemporary politics, is they live in a different reality.
00:03:16.000They live in a different America, so their rhetoric and their presentations of what America's meant to be like seems like some sort of vacuous Aldous Huxley-esque What are you all upbeat about?
00:04:04.000You know that woman who spent her whole doggone life trying to impose herself on us, whether it's by crushing the aspirations of Bernie Sanders, who was a populist representation of a traditional leftist movement, or whether it's Clambering over the complications, shall we call them, in her marriage.
00:04:22.000Or whether it's starting up the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
00:04:24.000Making up lies about Russia and Donald Trump.
00:04:27.000You know that sort of relentless force for power that potentially has got all sorts of expressions in forms that we... Would we discuss that ever only on Rumble?
00:04:37.000Like some of the, shall we say, the statistically high number of people that have taken unusual decisions after knowing the Clintons.
00:05:03.000Now we've got a bit of, like, Hillary Clinton... The whole joke of this is predicated on, oh, she's not running for office like she usually is.
00:05:10.000She's literally running down a corridor in some little dolly boots.
00:05:14.000And we're meant to think that's somehow adorable, when it's...
00:05:28.000If that was Hillary Clinton's actual tootsies, toes, toenails, and soles of her feet, bunions, corns, etc, and hey, we all get older, like, then that would be the only authentic thing.
00:05:52.000The enthusiasm of the young people, the claims that this is a legitimate political voice rather than an institutional, like in a sense the epitome of the political class.
00:06:02.000This is not about Hillary Clinton as a person.
00:06:03.000It's not because I know Hillary Clinton as a mother and a wife and in some ways like Has succeeded in you know the narrative of a woman
00:06:10.000succeeding in a male world is I think a significant and important
00:06:15.000Narrative and I think worthy of celebration, but what also asked that she didn't get involved in any bombings
00:06:22.000I would imagine God to tell you if you've got involved in loads of bombings that would for me that would undermine
00:06:26.000the whole You go girl woman succeeding in a male world
00:06:30.000I'd say, look, that is good, but I also want to consider if there's been any bombings, if you've funded bombings, if you've voted for wars, if you've accepted money for war criminals, if you've acted in ways that are undemocratic, we're going to have to include that in the story.
00:06:42.000But so far, we don't know if that's true.
00:06:44.000All I'm seeing at the moment is some authentic little tootsies running down the corridor.
00:08:01.000Oh, I'm inside the situation, the room where it happened.
00:08:03.000It's such a post-Hamilton, pleased with itself, liberal bit of crap.
00:08:08.000Yes, and I'll cover the theory of political decision-making and strategy.
00:08:13.000And I'll cover what it was actually like in the room during the Bin Laden raid, the Iran sanctions, the Ga- What was it like to simplify that issue and epitomize all of it in the figure of Osama Bin Laden when there are complex issues at stake to do with the historic clash between East and West, the representation of energy companies, gerrymandering and manipulation, the ongoing colonial impact Okay, but are you ready for whatever questions the students throw at you?
00:08:38.000that is caused when a military acts on behalf of corporate interests.
00:08:41.000Get out of the room! Get out of the room!
00:08:43.000Sorry, I'm just gonna run out of here.
00:09:23.000Would you say that generally you were more or less militarily aggressive than your Republican counterparts?
00:09:28.000The answer to that, of course, is on most foreign policy decisions, including Libya, Clinton was in favour of equally aggressive action, if not more so, than former Bush appointee Robert Gates.
00:09:41.000Clinton and Obama got away with hawkish policies because they stuck to the language of humanitarian intervention and liberation.
00:09:46.000Clinton helped assert the right of the US government to intervene in any country of its choosing, using the most brutal means possible to achieve its end.
00:09:54.000As a mother, What's your drone policy?
00:09:57.000Clinton was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama's decision to step up the use of drone warfare in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
00:10:04.000Clinton and the Obama administration sold the drone program as a precise and effective way to ruin weddings, sorry, to target terrorists with fewer risks of collateral damage.
00:10:13.000But the numbers tell a different story.
00:10:14.000During one five-month period of an operation, 90% of the people killed in airstrikes were not the intended targets.
00:10:21.000But only 90% of them were innocent people who shouldn't have been killed.
00:10:25.000Think about that 10% who were the intended targets.
00:10:28.000Think about that and dash down a corridor all pleased with yourself to present a course on truth and foreign policy.
00:10:35.000What was your relationship with the military-industrial complex, Hillary?
00:10:48.000From securing defense contracts for Lockheed Martin to brokering deals to build nuclear plants for Westinghouse, Clinton and her ambassador CEOs traveled the globe to bring foreign governments and U.S.
00:10:59.000We have to position ourselves to lead in a world where security is shaped in boardrooms and on trading floors as well as battlefields, Clinton said.
00:11:06.000Surely you didn't take donations, though, from military contractors.
00:11:10.000American military contractors and their affiliates who donated to the Clinton Foundation were awarded $163 billion worth of arms deals authorized by the Clinton State Department.
00:11:19.000And governments seeking to buy arms got the same preferential treatment if they sent money the foundation's way, no matter their human rights record.
00:11:27.000Clinton's department authorized $151 billion in Pentagon broker deals for 16 of the countries that gave to the Clinton Foundation.
00:11:34.000But the main thing is that She is running down a corridor in a male-oriented world, bringing about the exact same or worse values that someone who happened to have a penis would have done anyway.
00:11:55.000Wouldn't it be amazing if some of the students in her class actually asked some of those questions?
00:11:58.000That's what I'd like to imagine was happening.
00:12:00.000So if you're in that class, Ask those questions because in a way we're doing that as a sort of comedically aren't we Gareth?
00:12:06.000That's our dedication to comedy because for us comedy is more than pretending to run down the corridor because the word run means run for office and also run down the corridor.
00:12:14.000What would be lovely from a sensible serious perspective is to actually hear those questions answered like it will come down things like well the system is Essentially set up in this way so you have to accept these donations.
00:12:29.000Ultimately I think the answers to those questions would leave you quite dispirited with the state of modern democracy in American globalism.
00:12:37.000Certainly don't ask any questions about the war in Ukraine off the back of that.
00:12:40.000Just that's the past and what's going on now is a completely entirely different thing.
00:12:45.000What I like about the present is it hasn't No.
00:12:46.000has no relationship to the past, has none of the same players involved, none of the
00:12:50.000same institutional interests, and certainly isn't founded in the same mentality that brought
00:12:54.000about those exact problems. It's not the same businesses, companies, profit motives, everything
00:12:58.000basically exactly the same. Some of the same rhetoric, where you could literally light
00:13:02.000that thing, whereas they take Harry Potter characters and Star Wars characters and just
00:13:07.000go like, Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, is met by an elder who's a bit of a mystic, Hagrid,
00:13:12.000or, you know, Ben Kenobi. Ultimately, they have to fight their father, Darth Vader of
00:13:16.000They go to a place to learn to become a wizard, Jedi.
00:13:31.000Yeah, and you can do that in the way that these days these former presidents or political leaders in some form like Clinton and George Bush are being kind of reintroduced into society and reframed as these elders who should be teaching politics to kids or doing courses on painting like George Bush has done and kind of mates with Michelle Obama.
00:13:54.000It does nice paintings, they're lovely watercolours.
00:13:57.000Have you noticed, let us know in the chat in the comments, have you noticed how they're repositioning and repurposing war criminals and stooges of the system as a sort of avuncular, lovable, oracular elders that we're supposed to embrace and look to?
00:14:12.000Because we're not super young, I'm sorry to admit, George Bush, that was the same as Trump.
00:14:19.000Like, they were acting like that was the issue, but after a little bit of time and a whole lot of money, they're willing to go, look, we're all in the same team, really.
00:14:26.000This is almost basically a bloody sport.
00:14:29.000And this is when something like the ongoing corruption in the world of Big Pharma becomes incredibly relevant.
00:14:35.000And we're not even talking about the craziness of the pandemic.
00:14:38.000We're talking about Big Pharma's relationship with the state, a relationship it achieves not only through making huge donations to both parties, Not through the enormous amount of money that it spends on lobbying and people in Congress that own stocks and shares in the companies they're meant to regulate, but kind of a broader mentality that it is more important to serve corporate interests than to serve the interests of ordinary Americans who are paying too much money for drugs that they funded the development of.
00:15:05.000Drugs that are sold abroad at a profit by those drug companies, even when people are writing letters about family members Dying of cancer for the want of drugs that cost up to $180,000 a year in the case of one prostate cancer drug.
00:15:23.000The kicker, though, is that they're sold abroad much, much cheaper.
00:15:26.000Absolutely, because they've been developed by America, so they're exportable and they're profitable in a way they would never be if you hadn't taxed the Americans both emotionally, spiritually, and literally, financially.
00:15:36.000To watch Joe Biden use the familial, folky rhetoric of a kind of sort of uncle in Dungarees chewing on a bit of straw, kicking back on the stoop, sharing home truths with you, part of the heritage of Twain, some pastoral image of the great patriarch, and that's what we look to, isn't it?
00:15:56.000We look to our leaders as a kind of Too many of you!
00:15:59.000mother figure, some patriarch, elder, some chief, and they use the folksy rhetoric to
00:16:04.000evoke that kind of atavistic response, all the while acting as the, in this case, disgusting
00:18:26.000Elon, right, so the idea of taking on powerful interests, that sounds like odd rhetoric for a career politician who's currently the officer, commander-in-chief of the United States of America.
00:18:42.000What offends me is the nature of this rhetoric when related to the administrative choices that are being made.
00:18:49.000In particular, we're going to learn about something called the Bayh-Dole Act.
00:18:55.000For 40 years now, there's been a piece of legislation Well, that means that the government can waive patent exclusivity for drugs whose research was funded by federal government dollars, speeding the arrival of far cheaper generics to the market.
00:19:08.000And yet, despite marching rights enshrined in the Bayh-Dole Act, federal officials have never exercised those rights, even as drug prices have skyrocketed.
00:19:18.000So what this means is, is if a pharmaceutical company is charging too much money for a drug,
00:19:23.000they can say, you best charge a reasonable price for that, otherwise we're going to X
00:19:29.000the patent and white label it, and everyone will be able to sell it at a reasonable price.
00:19:34.000I won't say an obvious example of a drug that was readily and cheaply available because
00:19:38.000it was out of patent a couple of years ago, because at the moment there are no clinical
00:19:42.000trials because no one's paid for them to determine whether or not it is effective.
00:19:46.000So that's a brilliant piece of legislation.
00:19:48.000The point we're making here is, even when within the corrupt machine of government there
00:19:52.000is a piece of legislation that could be utilised in the service of people, people that are
00:19:57.000suffering, in this instance people who have family members or are themselves suffering
00:20:00.000from cancer, then it is not utilised primarily because of lobbying and the amount of lobbying
00:20:06.000dollars that's spent preventing the Bayh-Dole Act being used.
00:20:10.000So this is when they can rescind the patent when a medicine is not available to the public on reasonable terms.
00:20:17.000And what the Biden administration are saying is $180,000 a year is apparently reasonable terms for people with cancer to be able to afford.
00:20:27.000I mean, obviously the price of life is high, but this drug called Xanthi, the Biden administration refused to force the manufacturer of a life-saving prostate cancer drug, developed completely with public funds, to lower its nearly $190,000 annual price tag.
00:20:43.000As Gareth says, that would seem to me to be a legit target for the utilisation of that piece of legislation.
00:20:49.000The patent holders of the prostate drug Xanti, whose ingredients were developed at a California
00:20:53.000public university, have earned more than $20 billion from the drug.
00:20:56.000So it's not like they ain't profited up till now.
00:20:58.000The US Chamber of Commerce spent more than $80 million lobbying in 2022.
00:21:20.000That money is to ensure the government do not act in your interest, but in the interest of the industries that truly fund them and truly control them.
00:21:28.000Not all drugs are subject to negotiation.
00:21:31.000Instead, the plan will kick off in 2025.
00:21:35.000I suppose that this is about, like, when you hear Joe Biden say, uh, we beat Big Pharma this year, he is talking about legislation that will be passed to cap some drug prices.
00:21:46.000But again, this is something that when you look into it, is not as exciting as it sounds.
00:21:50.000What I've found to be the case frequently, is they find a piece of rhetoric that they can use, like, we've beat Big Pharma this year, posing themselves as little guys up against corporate Goliaths.
00:22:01.000But, What is broadly speaking understood is that this piece of legislation will not meaningfully impact the pharmaceutical industry, and they'll find ways around it, they'll find loopholes, and they will continue to profit.
00:22:11.000Yeah, and this isn't new for Joe Biden either.
00:22:13.000So Biden was vice president when the Obama administration rejected Congressional Democrats' demand The government used the same power to lower the skyrocketing prices of medicine in America.
00:22:22.000So he's got history of doing this, Biden.
00:22:25.000Amazingly, when he's making those speeches about his father looking up to the ceiling and we beat Big Pharma, he doesn't then mention, oh, by the way, I'm sorry about when I was vice president, making sure that those skyrocketing drug prices couldn't be meaningfully affected.
00:22:39.000Our system requires of us a certain type of amnesia.
00:22:43.000Increasingly we are asked not to even recall the events of a week ago in order to sustain our faith in the efficacy and legitimacy of a state that operates entirely on behalf of corporate interests, only making concessions to us, When it becomes so obvious and galling that to not do it would be against their own self-interest.
00:23:01.000The build back better idea, which emerged from centralist globalist force.
00:23:06.000I mean, everyone was talking about that, weren't they?
00:23:15.000Not all drugs are subject to negotiation.
00:23:17.000Instead, this plan will kick off in 2025 with a focus on the 10 costliest Medicare medicines, followed by 15 medicines in 26 and 27, and 20 medicines in 2028.
00:23:27.000I imagine that time frame is to allow pharmaceutical companies to manage their losses, invest elsewhere, find alternative drugs and treatments, and to spread the cost.
00:23:46.000So we're going to have to find more ingenious ways of bailing them out because we have to protect our partners in the financial industry.
00:23:53.000And as has been explained, while there may not directly be a taxpayer bailout, banking fees will have to compensate for the losses endured by Silicon Valley Bank and Credit Suisse and all of them.
00:24:21.000Yeah the caps will be tied to the rate of inflation and the rule would apply to commercial insurance coverage too.
00:24:26.000That could ultimately entice drug makers to boost their products launch prices and as we have seen in 2022 pharmaceutical companies in the US raised drug prices 1,186 times.
00:24:39.000So it's, I would say, a piece of legislation designed to grab headlines and continue to appease the pharmaceutical industry.
00:24:48.000Before we click over, well right, as I guess we should, we're going to have to leave YouTube now, because firstly I want to name that White label, off-brand medication that cannot be named on YouTube.
00:25:01.000And also, what about the story about death and heart diseases and AstraZeneca and all that stuff?
00:25:06.000I can't talk about that, can I, on YouTube?
00:25:17.000I'm being... I'm being naive and sweet.
00:25:20.000Okay, listen, join us over on Rumble because I've got to talk about, like, while we're on the subject of the pharmaceutical industry, why don't we talk about what was essentially their gold rush, the pandemic era, where the government and the pharmaceutical industry, some might argue, operated...
00:25:34.000Now, this is a story about young women had a 3.5 times higher risk of death from heart issues after the AstraZeneca jab.
00:25:42.000Join us on local if you want, then I can read out your comments and all that kind of stuff.
00:26:18.000So the Office for National Statistics analysed hospitalisations and vaccination records and death registrations in England among 12 to 29-year-olds to assess the impact of the COVID-19 jab and infection.
00:26:30.000This is from The Telegraph, which is a British Well done to them for reporting on this subject, at least.
00:26:36.000And it's another example of the way that the narrative is moving.
00:26:40.000This is one of those things that, when AstraZeneca, when that vaccine was pulled, it was right early on, wasn't it?
00:26:50.000It was one of those things that was kind of submerged.
00:26:51.000Cos literally, as I remember it, and you let me know in the chat and comments if you remember, this was at the time I was saying, get that vaccine or you're gonna kill your grandma!
00:26:59.000But that was when they were not only saying it was good for you, it's good for everyone!
00:27:03.000Have an hamburger, have a milkshake, have a blowjob!
00:27:05.000They were offering you all sorts of incentives to get these bloody things.
00:27:08.000I don't think that last one was offered.
00:27:09.000Sorry, that was an offer about I was exclusively in the brand household!
00:27:13.000I was offering just to my wife, she remains unwilling to cooperate to this day.
00:27:19.000So after one dose of a non-mRNA vaccine, which includes the AstraZeneca jab, there was evidence of an increased risk of cardiac death in young women, the ONS said.
00:27:29.000Cardiac death would include cardiac arrest, could include cardiac arrest, heart disease and myocarditis, that's inflammation of the heart muscle, you should know that by now.
00:27:37.000If there is a difference in the risk of death after vaccination compared to longer term, this shows a link to the jab, researchers say.
00:27:43.000Most of the young people who received the AstraZeneca jab before April 2021 would have been prioritised due to underlying health conditions or because they were healthcare workers.
00:27:51.000Therefore, the 3.5 times greater risk cannot be generalised to the whole population, the ONS said.
00:27:56.000And what was pointed out earlier when we were putting this piece together is to remember When we were all talking about lockdown measures and we were talking about the near imposition of vaccines, but it was imposed if you worked in certain sectors, remember those people in New York that were kicked out of a job?
00:28:09.000Remind us what kind of pressures you would have faced to take that medication, which may have been good for you, may not have been good for you, you determine for yourselves.
00:28:16.000Remember when people saying, oh but are you noticing a lot of the people that are dying have got like comorbidities or they're obese or they had an underlying condition?
00:28:23.000Don't you remember the rhetoric was, so what?
00:28:25.000That doesn't mean they deserve to die!
00:28:26.000And I remember thinking, no, that is a good point.
00:28:28.000Just because I'm as old or ill, that doesn't mean they deserve to die.
00:28:32.000But when it comes to addressing the impact of the AstraZeneca jab, they are pointing out that you can't generalize the results across a population because they, in particular, are going to negatively impact people with comorbidities.
00:28:44.000So it's another example of the way that the information is managed and manipulated.
00:28:48.000Yet another example of the from COVID with COVID.
00:28:52.000The whole way that this information has been managed in order to create the most beneficial results from those that seek to regulate and those that seek to profit.
00:29:01.000If you're trying to understand this landscape and you go, were people able to benefit by imposing regulation as a result of this aspect of the narrative or were they able to profit as a
00:29:11.000result of this aspect of the narrative? You can normally trace a line that leads you to
00:29:16.000Yeah, I mean look, with all of this, I think it's, I mean for me it's about the lack of
00:29:21.000access to information. I mean even going to the Moderna case, because obviously we've
00:29:26.000had Rand Paul in Congress at the moment with the head of Moderna, billionaire owner of
00:29:27.000in Congress at the moment with the head of Moderna, billionaire owner of Moderna at the
00:29:32.000moment is pressing him on myocarditis and getting some more information on whether or
00:29:32.000Moderna at the moment, he's pressing him on myocarditis and getting some more information
00:29:36.000on whether or not Moderna actually hid this information.
00:29:37.000not Moderna actually hid this information. And actually Robert M. Kaplan, Emeritus Distinguished
00:29:38.000And actually Robert M Kaplan, Emeritus Distinguished Professor at the UCLA Fielding
00:29:42.000Professor at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, was something that we actually talked
00:29:46.000about earlier in this year, wrote that they'd found through studies a series of adverse
00:29:53.000events for 1 in 800 vaccines, which was a lot smaller amount, or a bigger amount you
00:30:00.000could say, than had been reported. Numerous vaccines have been pulled for a lot less,
00:30:04.0001 in 10,000, 1 in 100,000 vaccines have been pulled previously. Exactly, but what he noticed
00:30:09.000But what he said was that the analysis was hindered from a lack of data being made public.
00:30:13.000So he said Pfizer, Moderna and the FDA have this data but have kept them hidden from public view.
00:30:16.000And I guess that's the point with all of this is just give people access to the information.
00:30:20.000Then they can make their own conclusions and we can have truth.
00:30:23.000You can only assume that their non-cooperation is because the information would not present a favourable outcome.
00:30:30.000If the information was favourable, they would give you the information.
00:30:32.000That's an assumption, but I think it's a fair assumption.
00:30:35.000For some deep analysis into current affairs, for a deeper understanding of truth, for a real look at the stories that dominate your media space, the propaganda that dominates our cultural life, the way that it is utilised by centralised forces of the financial industry, Big Pharma, the government, you have to spend serious, dedicated,
00:30:56.000devoted time, which Gareth and I have done earlier today, and we are happy to present our
00:31:01.000results to you right now. Here's the news. No, here's the effing news. Stay with us, because
00:31:06.000Matt Tiber's coming up. He's a so-called journalist.
00:31:29.000Rand Paul and the CEO of Moderna have been involved in a hearing where discussions around the efficacy of the Moderna boosters in particular and potential side effects including myocarditis have been discussed.
00:31:43.000What's fascinating is the ongoing total lack of transparency and even when the machinery of government is engaged it's still possible for a billionaire CEO to talk about his own product as if it's something he's vaguely aware of.
00:31:56.000Obviously starting those hearings has been established through legal discourse and legal advice, but how is it that we live within systems that are incapable of addressing an issue that's so significant that obviously requires transparency, that was funded by you, the American taxpayers, where there are clearly questions that demand I suppose we should be satisfied that at last someone is asking these questions publicly, but we still have to wait for the results.
00:32:22.000Let's have a look at that hearing now, and we'll give you some additional details that you're certainly not going to get from the Moderna CEO.
00:32:27.000Mr. Bancel, Moderna recently paid NIH $400 million.
00:32:31.000Do you believe it creates a conflict of interest for the government employees who are making money now off of the vaccine to also be dictating the policy about how many times we have to take the vaccine?
00:33:06.000We recently made, before Christmas last year, a $400 million payment to the NIH for an old patent that they had developed, not related to COVID, but useful in the development of a COVID vaccine, to pay them for their work.
00:33:20.000I suppose those are the kind of revelations that instruct us that systemic problems are what determine the outcomes of a seismic and cataclysmic global event like the pandemic.
00:33:34.000The pandemic passed through our culture and revealed how our institutions behaved, revealed what the relationships between government and big business are, revealed the type of policies that will be favoured as a result of those relationships.
00:33:48.000I still don't really understand why Moderna, given $400 million to the NIH, knowing what I know about the way those institutions function, that's likely to induce a favourable relationship between Moderna and a body that's supposed to be involved in its governance.
00:34:03.000Do you think it creates a conflict of interest for the same people deciding the policy of how often we have to take the vaccine to also be making money the more times we take the vaccine?
00:34:15.000You have no opinion on whether or not it creates a conflict of interest.
00:34:18.000Is there a higher interest or a higher incidence of myocarditis among adolescent
00:34:24.000males 16 to 24 after taking your vaccine?
00:34:27.000So thank you for the question, Senator.
00:34:30.000First, let me say... First and foremost, I'd like to thank you for that question, and I like the way of your glasses, very low down on your nose.
00:34:38.000I don't want to talk about my glasses and my nose!
00:34:40.000Here, I suppose, Rand Paul is focusing on a specific and particular piece of scientific information.
00:34:47.000In spite of the way we occasionally title our videos, we're not Prone to hysteria or sweeping judgments.
00:34:54.000What we are advocating for, campaigning for, asking for, is transparency so that you can make a decision about any medication, in fact, based on whether or not it will be effective for you.
00:35:05.000Something like a vaccine, might be beneficial if you belong to a particular demographic or you have very particular health concerns or a particular type of social life but the lack of transparency around it of course engendered suspicion and at this point even cynicism particularly when obviously it was so profitable and now at this late stage in the pandemic the ongoing theatricality and ongoing obfuscation shows you that there isn't nothing being concealed it's not like oh wow everyone was just trying their hardest
00:35:34.000Clearly the very kind of things that we were discussing at the beginning of this pandemic, profiteering, looking for opportunities to regulate and legislate, exploiting the differences between people and people's natural and understandable fits, all of these things were happening and the people that raised those kind of concerns were condemned and subject to smearing campaigns.
00:35:51.000We care deeply about safety and we're working closely with the CDC and the FDA to-
00:35:55.000Pretty much a yes or no, is there a higher incidence of myocarditis among boys 16 to 24
00:36:01.000after they take your vaccine? The data I've shown actually, I've seen,
00:36:04.000sorry, from the CDC actually shown that there's less myocarditis for people who get the vaccine
00:36:10.000versus who get the Covid infection. Paul told Fox News Digital after the hearing
00:36:15.000that he was surprised about the discrepancy between Bancell's response and other statistics
00:36:21.000Asked about why Bancel may have said what he did, Paul guessed maybe he just saw this as a business decision that might hurt sales.
00:36:27.000I think most of us at this point recognise that that's a significant factor.
00:36:30.000Let me know in the chat and the comments.
00:36:31.000Previous studies showed mostly adolescent and young adult males develop myocarditis after the second COVID-19 shot.
00:36:38.000The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention then suggested waiting longer than usual between each dose to reduce the risk of developing myocarditis.
00:36:45.000It seems at least one of the factors in their trajectory of decisions that they were making was the financial impact that curtailing, limiting, prohibiting, not recommending those medical procedures could have.
00:36:56.000Let me know in the chat and comments if you agree.
00:36:58.000Wednesday's Senate hearing addressed the planned price increase of the Moderna vaccine, with a single dose expected to cost about $130 once the US government stops buying the shot.
00:37:08.000A 4,000% markup above the cost of manufacturing the shot, which experts have pegged at roughly $2.85 per dose.
00:37:15.000Even in a world where we accept that a necessary part of transactional life, the way of capitalism and commodity, a 4,000% markup seems ridiculous.
00:37:28.000We've also this week done a story about cancer drugs and the refusal of the current administration to use the Bayh-Dole Act to restrict the ability of cancer drug manufacturers to profit outrageously from drugs that could be sold a lot more cheaply.
00:37:43.000The pandemic public health emergency is set to end in mid-May according to the US Department of Health and Human Services.
00:37:49.000The government will therefore no longer buy and distribute the shots, and price negotiations will then shift to insurers and government health programs.
00:37:56.000Ban Cell has an estimated net worth of $4.1 billion.
00:38:00.000He defended the proposed price, telling the Wall Street Journal that he believes this type of pricing is consistent with the value of the vaccine.
00:38:07.000What that means is, that's how much you can charge for it, because that's what we evaluate people will pay for it.
00:38:12.000There are significant portions of American society that still mandate the use of this product.
00:38:17.000So there are people, significant number of people, that will have no choice but to pay this price.
00:38:22.000People in teaching professions, people in particular aspects of media, that will simply have to buy it.
00:38:27.000That doesn't mean it's moral or ethical or reasonable.
00:38:30.000All of those things, I suppose, are subjective.
00:38:32.000What is not subjective is that they are maximising the opportunity to profit from this vaccine.
00:38:37.000And I suppose what we're contesting is that that has been happening throughout the pandemic.
00:38:41.000In 2020, Moderna admitted that 100% of the funding for its vaccine development program came from the federal government, which, despite its leverage, has refused to force the company to share its vaccine recipe around the world.
00:38:52.000The fact is that the whole conversation, in a way, is entirely unnecessary because the drug itself was funded through taxpayer money.
00:39:09.000It was developed using the principles of socialism.
00:39:12.000It's sold using the principles of zombie capitalism.
00:39:15.000And I'd say beyond that, a kind of corporate gangsterism, because the people that pay this will probably have no choice, either as a result of fear, a medical condition or a job that demands they take it.
00:39:25.000So essentially, it's money through menaces.
00:39:28.000In January, some vaccine advisors to the federal government were disappointed and angry that
00:39:33.000Moderna didn't present a set of infection data on the company's new COVID-19 booster
00:39:37.000that suggested the possibility that the updated booster might not be any more effective at
00:39:41.000preventing COVID-19 infections than the original shot.
00:39:45.000US taxpayers spent nearly $5 billion on the new booster, which has been given to more
00:40:08.000But the fact is that in instances where transparency would not have been beneficial financially, transparency was withdrawn.
00:40:16.000You're saying that for ages 16 to 24 among males who take the COVID vaccine, their risk of myocarditis is less than people who get the disease.
00:40:26.000That is not true, and I'd like to enter into the record six peer-reviewed papers from the Journal of Vaccine, the Annals of Medicine, that say the complete opposite of what you say.
00:40:36.000I also spoke with your president just last week, and he readily acknowledged, in private, that yes, there is an increased risk of myocarditis.
00:40:44.000The fact that you can't say it in public is quite disturbing.
00:40:47.000Robert M. Kaplan, Emeritus Distinguished Professor at the UCLA Fielding School of Public Health, wrote in September 22, that along with an international group of physicians and scientists, we published a study suggesting that the risk of COVID-19 vaccines may be greater than previously reported.
00:41:02.000Using publicly available data from Pfizer and Moderna studies, we found one serious adverse event for each 800 vaccinees.
00:41:09.000Some warn that our analysis might harm public health by stimulating more vaccine hesitancy.
00:41:14.000Yeah, if some concerns are valid, remaining quiet could also result in harm and further erode public trust in science.
00:41:20.000If the hesitancy is valid, then you have to be more transparent, not less, and acknowledge that the hesitancy is rational and logical.
00:41:28.000That is the position that should have been taken from the beginning, particularly when the counterpoint was that these pharmaceutical companies were profiting enormously.
00:41:37.000The hesitancy was regarded as the problem.
00:41:41.000That shows you on which side government agencies and the government itself tends to fall in a situation where they have the opportunity either to represent the people or their corporate partners.
00:41:50.000We believe that scientists have a responsibility to report suspected hazards to authorities.
00:41:56.000Consider a 1 in 800 risk of a serious adverse reaction in the context of other vaccines.
00:42:01.000The 1976 swine flu vaccine was withdrawn after it was associated with Guillain-Barre syndrome at a rate of approximately 1 in 100,000.
00:42:11.000In 1999, the rotavirus vaccine, Rotashield, was withdrawn following reports of interception in about 1 or 2 in 10,000 cases.
00:42:19.000Regrettably, our analysis was hindered by an addressable problem.
00:42:22.000The individual-level data that could confirm or refute our analysis have not been made public.
00:42:26.000For example, we would have great confidence in our conclusions if we knew how often individuals experience multiple serious adverse events.
00:42:34.000Pfizer, Moderna, and the FDA have these data, but have kept them hidden from the public view.
00:42:39.000This information is essential to the understanding of the balance between vaccine benefits and harms.
00:42:43.000We're calling upon Pfizer, Moderna and the FDA to release all information needed for a comprehensive assessment of these products.
00:42:50.000In light of this information, even this Senate hearing is quite minimalist and shallow.
00:42:55.000And whilst it's exciting to see Rand Paul asking questions that many of us have been mulling over
00:43:01.000since the beginning of the pandemic, when you look at the withholding of vital data
00:43:07.000that would have allowed the public and perhaps the media and indeed, perhaps the government
00:43:11.000to form a more thorough perspective, it deepens the sense of concern.
00:43:16.000All the while, the focus was on conspiracy theories, smearing unvaccinated people,
00:43:22.000escalating and elevating the involvement of unvaccinated people instead of focusing on something
00:43:27.000that's, I would say, a more clear and obvious administrative duty.
00:43:30.000Make the powerful accountable to the public.
00:43:33.000When Joe Biden gives sanctimonious and sentimental speeches about how he's standing up Two big pharma on behalf of his family and cancer victims everywhere while not using existing legislation that would prevent exploitative pricing of cancer drugs.
00:43:47.000You have to consider this information too.
00:43:49.000It's quite clear that you don't need to make outrageous claims about the vaccines, their side effects or their efficacy.
00:43:56.000The available information is enough to deduce that there's been a total lack of transparency from the start and it appears But one of the dominant influences throughout the decision-making process has been how to maximize profit.
00:44:09.000COVID-19 vaccines are now among the most widely disseminated medicines in the history of the world.
00:44:14.000They have cost taxpayers tens of billions of dollars, rivaling the annual US federal expenditure on biomedical research.
00:44:20.000There is no legitimate reason why scientists and the public should not have access to the evidence that justified that purchase.
00:44:26.000Yet evidence is being withheld, which adds uncertainty to our conclusions and leaves lingering questions about the scientific foundation for COVID-19 vaccine promotion.
00:44:35.000Public posting of raw data is a reasonable response.
00:44:38.000Open data is becoming the norm in science and is now required by many leading journals.
00:44:43.000The time has come for the FDA and EMA to reopen their investigations and for Pfizer, Moderna and all vaccine manufacturers to provide the data that will allow scientists and physicians to address outstanding concerns.
00:44:55.000It's difficult to appreciate and understand why at a time when there is a need for further investigation, deeper transparency, more clarity around the procedures that led to the decision-making during the pandemic, that what's actually happening is a propaganda campaign around misinformation, disinformation, malinformation, where independent journalists are being smeared and condemned, silenced and censored.
00:45:15.000Evidently, Obviously, plainly, this case, this conversation, and this investigation have revealed to us that what's required is a more open discourse, more transparency, more ability for individuals to make choices for themselves based on authentic, transparent science when it comes to their own health and the health of people that they care about.
00:45:35.000The idea that was being promoted at this time is censorship and the ability to smear and shut people down, when during such a globally significant event, the government and government agencies appeared to act on behalf of corporate interests, certainly didn't promote the kind of transparency that would have made the pandemic a much easier time for all of us.
00:45:52.000It suggests to me that we need more hearings like this.
00:45:55.000With more effective journalists allowed to speak more openly, that the financial industry needs to be regulated in a more rigorous, open, public and democratic way.
00:46:15.000Now, having spent some time in the company of so-called entertainers and so-called radicals, why don't we invite onto the show a so-called journalist, the author of Hey Inc.
00:46:25.000Why Today's Media Makes Us Despise One Another, that's a so-called book, and also he appeared ...as one of Elon Musk's stooges when releasing the vital information that... Cherry-picking!
00:46:38.000Cherry-picked information that appeared when you look at it superficially to reveal that there was some collaboration between the deep state and social media.
00:47:31.000And you, the Carlton, the doorman character, you know, who kind of appears regularly, all that.
00:47:35.000I guess that could be, I don't know, one of the former, Bob Rubin or somebody like that.
00:47:44.000Matt, you can try and entertain us all you want, but I know for a fact, did you, have you got more money now than when you were a little boy?
00:47:54.000Right, so where did the money come from?
00:47:57.000How can you be a Republican witness, which is a necessary part of the congressional procedure, and not call yourself, I use this word deliberately, a terrorist?
00:48:09.000Yeah, I mean we're laughing about it, but in the moment I actually made a mistake.
00:48:14.000I got so caught up in whether or not...
00:48:17.000What she was saying to me was true, that I forgot to just say to her, it's none of your business whether I make money or not.
00:48:24.000And you wouldn't ask that question of any other kind of journalist.
00:48:28.000Like, did you get a book deal out of this story you're telling us about?
00:48:31.000I mean, nobody would ask that question normally.
00:48:37.000And the way they all use exactly the same phrases when they talk to you is, Is incredible.
00:48:46.000In the case of that hearing, I think you're referring to, you know, the cherry pick spoon fed evidence.
00:48:53.000I must have heard that a million times since the beginning of the Twitter files.
00:48:56.000What I imagine must be interesting about an experience appearing at that congressional hearing is that something that, for me at least, usually feels abstract, like corruption, the way that information is manipulated, Yeah, it was a little bit of an eye-opening moment for me.
00:49:16.000like sometimes we encounter these things, sometimes we're even personally subject to
00:49:20.000it, but to actually be within the machine, did it make somehow more visceral, personal
00:49:26.000and emotional your broad sense that there is entrenched corruption taking place?
00:49:31.000Yeah, it was a little bit of an eye-opening moment for me.
00:49:35.000I mean, I've obviously been doing this for a long time and seen a lot of crazy things
00:49:42.000in my lifetime, so I'm not surprised when politicians are corrupt, but it was very
00:49:48.000shocking the degree to which they didn't even think about engaging with the material.
00:49:54.000It was just pure attack, attack, attack from the very, very beginning.
00:49:58.000And then as you, as you noted, every time I tried to answer a question, it was just reclaiming my time.
00:50:50.000And I suppose this must be happening continually elsewhere and is symptomatic of a deeper malaise
00:50:55.000that won't be as easy to observe elsewhere.
00:50:58.000As the ongoing Twitter revelations continue to be released.
00:51:04.000Do you feel that at this point, it's just further augmentation of the ideas of corruption that were sort of present in the first Imprature?
00:51:13.000Or do you feel that it's sort of evolving?
00:51:15.000Is there anything like new and interesting?
00:51:18.000And how does it relate to things like our personal deal over here at Rumble, where we're subject to some attacks?
00:51:24.000And sometimes I feel like, oh, well, yeah, I guess there are a lot of people that are right wing on this platform.
00:52:07.000For instance, we found a whole bunch of communications just recently about In preparation for a hubbub they were all having at the Aspen Institute in 2021, where they were discussing ideas like the Restrict Act, which is being proposed for, you know, in response to TikTok.
00:52:26.000There's, I guess, the European Digital Services Act or whatever they call it.
00:52:30.000That's that they're thinking about for the EU.
00:52:34.000All the ideas in both of these bills are sort of wish lists that have been passed around in this community for a long time.
00:52:41.000The governments want absolute full and complete access to all data that these platforms provide and then they want a couple of other things that are really important.
00:52:52.000They want They want to have the authority to come in and moderate, or at least be part of the process of moderation.
00:53:01.000And they also want for people who are called, like, trusted flaggers, that's how it's described in the European law, they want those folks to have access to these platforms as well.
00:53:12.000And what they mean by that are these sort of outside quasi-governmental agencies who Tell these platforms what they can and cannot print about things like vaccine safety, right?
00:53:27.000And then we found out more about that, where they're openly talking about censoring true information.
00:53:33.000So yeah, we're still finding out a lot of stuff about this, and I think there is more to find, unfortunately, which is kind of disturbing.
00:53:42.000I've not heard a Maxim more disturbing lately than a trusted flagger.
00:53:49.000If someone comes to me claiming that they're a trusted flagger, I think I'd be more at ease with someone who announces themselves as a paedophile.
00:53:57.000It just sounds like a disturbing thing to call yourself or to set up.
00:54:02.000Yeah, no, I mean, but that's in there.
00:54:07.000If you look If you look at the bill, there's a whole list of things that would apply to the various different types of companies, and one of them is sort of access for trusted flaggers.
00:54:20.000Twitter has its own language that's similar to that.
00:54:23.000They have people they call trusted partners who determine for them, who are allowed to make determinations about content.
00:55:02.000I said I was going to do it at the beginning of the show and then I thought I'm not going to do it because I respect Matt too much but then I thought no it will be funny so I did do it.
00:56:22.000If you look at the Digital Services Act, it's a lot like the recommendations of the Aspen Institute, and it's got a lot in common with the Restrict Act here in the States.
00:56:32.000When you look at the sections about giving the government access to data,
00:56:37.000what they really mean by that is they want everything, every kind of content that's created on the platform
00:56:48.000has to be done in a format that can be algorithmically searched.
00:56:52.000So even video or if you have like, you know, something a conversational platform,
00:56:58.000they have to be able to automatically generate a transcript quickly
00:57:02.000so that whatever AI they're attaching to surveil and monitor people
00:57:08.000has to be able to look out for keywords quickly.
00:57:11.000And it's funny, we did a thing about this thing called the Morality Project, and they were upset.
00:57:17.000One of the things they were upset about when they were reviewing COVID information was that a worldwide freedom rally that was held last year, I think, or two years ago in Europe, had been organized on Telegram.
00:57:32.000And so, like, that's part of their thinking.
00:57:35.000We don't want any more of those spaces where we can't search.
00:57:38.000We want everything searchable and we want it instantly searchable.
00:57:41.000So it continues to be about control and they continue to present it as about safety.
00:57:48.000We're trying to protect you has become, it is actually, we're trying to control you.
00:57:53.000When you say that about AI and a kind of pressuring to put data into searchable formats, it makes me feel that AI will of course be used to generate commercial
00:58:05.000opportunity by creating very particular and bespoke advertisements, but also it's going to be utilized
00:58:38.000...is predicated on a centralised authority, and when you see even terms like cherry-pick and spoon-fed starting to emerge, or, you know, build back better, it's that these are the indicators that centralised authority is at work, and like you said, those various bills all bear the same hallmarks, so you have to have some absolute principles, don't you, Matt?
00:58:59.000Yes, I think so, and I think what's really striking about all the people who are backing these censorship measures is that they have absolutely no understanding of what the principle of free speech is all about.
00:59:13.000The whole idea that you could have a centralized sort of truth-deciding authority is completely counter to Every Enlightenment idea about what speech is for.
00:59:27.000You can't have a government body that decides fact and fiction.
00:59:32.000We don't believe that that's actually possible.
00:59:34.000What we believe is that people freely discuss things and they arrive at a kind of truth together.
00:59:43.000Factual truth is always a moving target in journalism, but as a society, you can't just decide what's true and what's not true, because as we learn, even scientific fact changes constantly.
00:59:54.000So if you don't allow free speech, if you don't allow weirdos and people who are crackpots to have their say, you know, because they're right a lot of the time, like you just never know, right?
01:00:06.000And the folks who want to Get rid of all of that are deluded and extremely dangerous people because what they believe is that they have all the answers.
01:00:18.000We're the experts we know and never mind what you think.
01:01:22.000And the way they branded him in that hearing was disgrace.
01:01:25.000And what's so ironic at the moment, literally listening to you two talk about, I guess, authoritarianism, is what we're talking about here, is Biden and Trudeau, literally of the day, uniting together against authoritarian regimes, you know, when they kind of met.
01:01:38.000And it's just, it's so mad that they can be like, we're just against authoritarian regimes.
01:01:43.000Oh, what about all these things that are going on at the moment?
01:02:27.000That's part of the deal over there, as well as ad-free content, access to a weekly show that me and Gareth do called Stay Connected, meditations, podcast... I mean, there's so much stuff on there.
01:02:37.000I literally don't have time to list it all, not when we are so busy.
01:02:41.000Please join us tomorrow, not for more of the same, but for more of the different.