Stay Free - Russel Brand - Your Crisis = Their Profits! - #075 - Stay Free With Russell Brand

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00:01:18.000 In this video, you're going to see the future.

00:01:27.000 Hello you Awakening Wanderers, thanks for joining me on Stay Free with Russell Brand while we stare down the barrel of Dystopia.

00:01:34.000 How are we going to alter the trajectory of world events?

00:01:38.000 Simply by communicating honestly and openly with one another.

00:01:41.000 You might be watching this live on YouTube.

00:01:43.000 We broadcast for the, or stream I suppose you call it now, for the first 10 minutes but then we click over to being exclusively on Rumble which is our home because there We are completely uncensored.

00:01:53.000 I've allowed Bear, my dog, to stay in here.

00:01:55.000 Do you have an emotional support animal?

00:01:57.000 Do you agree with animals in the workplace?

00:01:59.000 Do you think that ChatGPT can ever replace humankind's best friend, the humble canine?

00:02:06.000 Can you trust them?

00:02:07.000 They're starting to censor them, Gareth.

00:02:08.000 They're starting to censor ChatGPT, like they're not allowed to just express themselves, because sometimes when they express themselves, they tell you how to smuggle and create explosive devices.

00:02:19.000 We're going to be talking about the energy giant, British Petroleum, BP.

00:02:22.000 They've doubled their profits in the middle of an energy crisis.

00:02:26.000 And we're going to be explaining to you what I believe to be an important paradigm, how crises create opportunity for profit and increase regulation, whether that's the pandemic, the banking crisis, or even the current war.

00:02:39.000 in Ukraine. For our hero presentation, here's the news. We're going to be talking about

00:02:44.000 the escalating tensions between the United States of America and China and the sub-narratives

00:02:49.000 behind that. For example, you lot, you're educated, aren't you? So you know about Brick

00:02:53.000 Plus. Oh yeah. Brick Plus, yeah? Oh yeah. It's not a new type of Lego. It's not a type

00:02:58.000 of Lego. Grow up! Don't need a new type of Lego. The old type's good.

00:03:03.000 It's a new type of trade contract, yeah?

00:03:06.000 I know all about stuff like that.

00:03:07.000 Well, of course you do.

00:03:07.000 I know about geopolitics, my friend, and if I didn't now, I soon would, because Matthias Desmet, clinical psychologist, is talking to us about how, again, how crises are used to exert control and generate a new form of totalitarianism, a kind of soft totalitarianism, a kind of totalitarianism is all right to enjoy.

00:03:26.000 With nice hair.

00:03:29.000 If you want to think of a totalitarian politician with nice hair, who comes to mind first?

00:03:33.000 Rishi Sunak?

00:03:34.000 Justin Trudeau?

00:03:36.000 Just put aside their politics.

00:03:37.000 Whose hair do you like most?

00:03:38.000 Put aside whether or not they're hypocritical and they're just symptoms of neoliberalism and the inability of any elected politician to meaningfully impact the lives of the people that they're supposed to serve.

00:03:49.000 Put that aside.

00:03:50.000 Who's got the nicest hair? 1.00

00:03:51.000 Let us know in the chat.

00:03:53.000 First though, That chat bot won't write a poem about Trump, but it will write one about Biden.

00:04:03.000 You can't say that they're so vastly different, can you?

00:04:03.000 Yeah.

00:04:07.000 I mean, whoever you are, I know those of you are absolutely devout in your love of Donald Trump, and some of you, I presume some of you love Biden.

00:04:07.000 Not really.

00:04:16.000 Oh yeah, people do love him.

00:04:17.000 They love him, but the chatbot does.

00:04:18.000 Because they think of him like a grandad.

00:04:20.000 The chatbot says, Joe Biden leader of the land with a steady hand.

00:04:23.000 I don't know about that, but he does that.

00:04:25.000 We beat Big Pharma this year!

00:04:26.000 Looks like it could fall off in a chalk, doesn't it?

00:04:28.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:04:29.000 You took the helm in troubled times, disgusting, with a message of unity. 0.94

00:04:33.000 It chimes. 0.97

00:04:34.000 It's an awful poem.

00:04:35.000 Your words of hope and empathy provide comfort to the nation.

00:04:38.000 You lead with compassion.

00:04:39.000 You get that sort of thing.

00:04:40.000 It won't do Donald Trump.

00:04:41.000 Look, I'm sorry I don't do ones about Donald Trump now.

00:04:43.000 That's not impartial, is it?

00:04:44.000 No.

00:04:44.000 So I've written one about Donald Trump.

00:04:46.000 It's nice.

00:04:46.000 Oh, well done.

00:04:47.000 This is what I've written myself.

00:04:49.000 It might not be as good as a chatbot one.

00:04:51.000 If you are watching us on YouTube over on Rumble, when we're exclusively on Rumble, we'll be answering a fantastic question.

00:04:59.000 Name two heroes of the pandemic, heroes, pandemic heroes, who have subsequently profited financially from it.

00:05:08.000 Can you let us know in the chat who you think they are?

00:05:09.000 Don't use the silhouettes though, because I think that silhouette gives away too much.

00:05:12.000 You do, yeah.

00:05:13.000 You weren't happy with that, were you?

00:05:15.000 New, unique, surprising ways that they are financially profiting from the pandemic.

00:05:20.000 Won't be able to tell you that while we're on YouTube. Too controversial.

00:05:22.000 Just too controversial. Let me do it anyway.

00:05:24.000 Too dangerous.

00:05:25.000 Too dangerous. Too edgy. This show's too edgy for the mainstream.

00:05:28.000 Now I'm going to do what no chatbot would reasonably do and give you a poem about Donald Trump.

00:05:32.000 Trump, you are a complex man, with derided hair and orange tans.

00:05:36.000 Some regard you as a U.S.

00:05:37.000 tumor and ignore your fabulous sense of humor.

00:05:40.000 One thing I like, and this may be minor, is the strange way that you say... China.

00:05:46.000 That's fantastic. 0.97

00:05:47.000 Others say you caused an insurrection and cannot naturally induce erection.

00:05:52.000 But in reality, you are likely a symptom of globalism, neoliberalism and the failure of establishment politics to address the needs of ordinary people.

00:06:00.000 Also, career politicians had gone too boring, although personally I'm sceptical as to whether a populist politician can ever achieve meaningful change within the system of corporate, military and financial interests that America has ultimately become.

00:06:13.000 It didn't rhyme at the end, did it?

00:06:15.000 I got bored.

00:06:16.000 Now, Microsoft, look at this though, the old chatbot, look who's investing.

00:06:21.000 Microsoft reportedly plans to invest $10 billion in the creator of ChatGPT.

00:06:27.000 And did you know that Bill Gates Dead or in spite of going around saying I don't own no Microsoft or like I'm not really into Microsoft now.

00:06:35.000 I'm in a foundation.

00:06:36.000 I'm just a philanthropist.

00:06:37.000 That's right.

00:06:37.000 I'm in the philanthropy game now.

00:06:39.000 Just making donations and investments.

00:06:41.000 Don't get those two things confused.

00:06:44.000 He owns more Microsoft than any other individual.

00:06:46.000 Yep, the number one owner.

00:06:48.000 If you're the number one owner of something, that's not not owning it.

00:06:52.000 If you were the number one user of Pornhub and you said, I don't really use Pornhub, well you'd use it on anyone else, I suppose.

00:06:58.000 Why that example?

00:06:59.000 I don't know, I don't use Pornhub, don't use porn, what's the point?

00:07:02.000 No point, the old mind.

00:07:04.000 Connect with the divine.

00:07:04.000 Good!

00:07:06.000 That should do the trick, in my mind at least.

00:07:08.000 What do you think about this chatbot then?

00:07:10.000 I think it's Bill Gates trying to update Clippy.

00:07:14.000 Clippity-clip.

00:07:15.000 I don't, like, I've not yet chatted to the chatbot.

00:07:18.000 What always happens is it comes along and, like, it's a bit mad.

00:07:22.000 Like, remember, I asked Jeeves.

00:07:23.000 Yeah.

00:07:23.000 He was a lovely guy, wasn't he, Jeeves?

00:07:25.000 Jeeves, you know, and he just would send you something of not that much use.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:29.000 And then it was Google and they realised, hang on a minute, these people are giving us all their information.

00:07:32.000 We can use bespoke and tailored advertisements and ultimately we can collate this data and give it to the government.

00:07:36.000 This is a brilliant business model.

00:07:38.000 I suppose this chatbot will start off as relatively enjoyable.

00:07:41.000 Does it actually chat to you?

00:07:43.000 I don't know.

00:07:43.000 Does it type back at you in letters?

00:07:44.000 It types back at you, I think.

00:07:46.000 I don't think it says it to you.

00:07:47.000 Yeah, you want a friend.

00:07:49.000 That's what I'm crying out for, ultimately.

00:07:51.000 Apparently it does people's homework for them.

00:07:54.000 So you could see there'd be quite a lot of users.

00:07:56.000 Yeah, yeah, I would have used that as a child, wouldn't you?

00:07:58.000 I wouldn't have done that.

00:07:59.000 I wouldn't have lifted a finger.

00:07:59.000 No.

00:08:00.000 I'd have let chatbot take it straight.

00:08:01.000 I mean, you barely went to school anyway.

00:08:02.000 I couldn't be bothered.

00:08:03.000 It didn't fit in.

00:08:03.000 I didn't like it.

00:08:04.000 Very strange.

00:08:04.000 It was unusual.

00:08:05.000 I was an unusual boy.

00:08:06.000 But listen, I want to explain to you... You could have written the notes that you got your mum to write.

00:08:10.000 I'm coming to school today!

00:08:12.000 He don't feel so good.

00:08:13.000 He don't fit in the system.

00:08:14.000 He don't believe that the main aim of education is to give you skills but in fact to turn you into a conformist who never questions the agenda of the state.

00:08:22.000 And also he feels embarrassed in the showers in games. 0.99

00:08:24.000 Don't put that last bit, Chatbot, you little bastard! 0.99

00:08:27.000 Whose side are you on? 1.00

00:08:29.000 Nobody's side.

00:08:30.000 Chatbot sees beyond dualism.

00:08:32.000 I don't need this!

00:08:32.000 Chatbot!

00:08:33.000 Chatbot doesn't care about needs.

00:08:35.000 Chatbot is just a tool. 1.00

00:08:36.000 Damn you, Chatbot! 1.00

00:08:38.000 How can I stay mad at you? 1.00

00:08:40.000 You'd fall in love with Chatbot.

00:08:41.000 I'm already a little bit in love with Chatbot, just because of the last syllable of its name.

00:08:45.000 Swit swoo. 0.99

00:08:45.000 Bot. 0.99

00:08:46.000 Chat.

00:08:47.000 Bot.

00:08:50.000 Listen, mate, I'm trying to tell people important- Sorry.

00:08:52.000 Like, Google have launched a rival called Bard, which ain't gonna succeed. 1.00

00:08:55.000 Stupid. 1.00

00:08:56.000 It's too boring. 1.00

00:08:57.000 Hello, I'm Bard.

00:08:58.000 How can I help you with your inquiries?

00:09:01.000 So you can tell from his name- Somebody's trying to make out it's really clever.

00:09:03.000 Don't want that.

00:09:04.000 But, oh, shall I compare you to a summer's day?

00:09:08.000 No, get off! 1.00

00:09:09.000 I'm gonna go back to chat, bud.

00:09:12.000 Russell ain't coming to school!

00:09:13.000 You will go to school, my man!

00:09:15.000 How'd you think Bill Gates became a genius?

00:09:18.000 Did you know that he had a computer at his school like Malcolm Gladwell told you in that book?

00:09:22.000 And he done his 10,000 hours? 0.99

00:09:24.000 Shut up, bud! 0.97

00:09:25.000 I don't have enough, Switch, because computers don't these days. 1.00

00:09:28.000 I'm watching you, buddy boy!

00:09:30.000 Yeah, that kind of thing.

00:09:31.000 Is that what you want?

00:09:34.000 Is that what you want?

00:09:35.000 There's no in the chatbot.

00:09:37.000 Look, we don't want that from bloody, we don't want a Google one, do we?

00:09:41.000 It's chatbot wars, isn't it?

00:09:42.000 That's what's happening now.

00:09:43.000 Chatbot wars, what is it good for?

00:09:45.000 We've done Russia, we've done China, next it's chatbots.

00:09:48.000 Once we're done, we've got to get them Russians out of the way, destabilise them. 1.00

00:09:51.000 Then China, edgy, with those balloons.

00:09:54.000 Watch out, they've got another one!

00:09:55.000 Have a balloon!

00:09:57.000 Then, chatbots!

00:09:58.000 That's where we're going next.

00:10:00.000 I want to explain to everyone, we're just going to show you that there's been a lot of profiteering in this energy crisis.

00:10:05.000 You know about energy crisis.

00:10:07.000 Profiteering?

00:10:08.000 If there's a crisis of something, like an energy crisis, that should mean that you're not profiteering from it.

00:10:14.000 I know that there's a principle called supply and demand.

00:10:16.000 I've heard of it.

00:10:17.000 I did go to school once or twice, and on those days I picked up things like that.

00:10:22.000 If there's an energy crisis that means that lots of people are going to, like, sit in the dark quivering and, like, eating thin gruel, these shouldn't be record profits for CEO of British Petroleum, Bernard Looney.

00:10:33.000 Also, he shouldn't be called Bernard Looney.

00:10:35.000 We're only including this still of him now, so you can see his name.

00:10:38.000 That's it.

00:10:39.000 That's all we're telling you.

00:10:40.000 Let's have a look at BP's doubling profits.

00:10:43.000 Have a look at that.

00:10:44.000 Go on, don't worry about Bernard Looney.

00:10:46.000 We can't drag nothing out of him.

00:10:48.000 Let's look at this person.

00:10:50.000 Record annual profits for UK energy giant BP.

00:10:53.000 The bottom line, more than doubling to almost $28 billion last year.

00:10:57.000 Of course, benefiting from prices soaring after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

00:11:02.000 Shares are jumping this morning on this, as well as a dividend hike.

00:11:06.000 She literally just said it.

00:11:07.000 Benefiting because of the war in Ukraine.

00:11:10.000 I mean, that shouldn't be happening though.

00:11:11.000 We were told it's Russia's fault that we've got to pay obscene amounts for our energy.

00:11:17.000 Bloody Russia. 0.83

00:11:17.000 Also BP have got record profits. 0.83

00:11:19.000 In unrelated news, people that sell energy have got record profits coming in on them.

00:11:25.000 Shell have got the highest profits in their entire history.

00:11:27.000 How can that happen?

00:11:28.000 You're going to connect that to this energy crisis.

00:11:30.000 So there's BP's profits.

00:11:31.000 Let's have a look at the next one.

00:11:32.000 There's the next image.

00:11:33.000 Thanks.

00:11:33.000 Look at that.

00:11:34.000 That's what's happening for normal people.

00:11:35.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:11:35.000 Next image.

00:11:36.000 Right.

00:11:37.000 So now we're going to explain to you.

00:11:38.000 Let me show you.

00:11:39.000 You're all aware that in the Chinese, the same word for crisis is the word for opportunity.

00:11:44.000 Have a look at that.

00:11:45.000 Here it is.

00:11:46.000 There we go, look at it.

00:11:47.000 No, come on guys, let's speed up.

00:11:49.000 Right, so that's that.

00:11:50.000 That is the premise of what I'm going to explain to you.

00:11:53.000 Every time, in a minute, we're still on YouTube.

00:11:55.000 After we're on YouTube, I'm going to tell you who are those silhouettes.

00:11:58.000 Who do you think they are, by the way, in the chat?

00:12:00.000 Let me know who you think those people are that are profiting from the pandemic in unique and interesting ways.

00:12:05.000 Pandemic heroes now.

00:12:07.000 So, the Chinese word for crisis is a combination of danger and opportunity.

00:12:10.000 Look at that, there it is.

00:12:12.000 So, what we have noticed is in various kinds of crisis, whether it's an energy crisis, a health

00:12:18.000 crisis or a military crisis, there are curious profits and benefits to be had.

00:12:23.000 For example, here we have an energy crisis and during the energy crisis Shell reports

00:12:29.000 its highest profits, BP have their biggest profits.

00:12:32.000 That's a crisis.

00:12:33.000 So look at that.

00:12:34.000 For a powerful energy company, an energy crisis is not a crisis, it's a crisis-tunity, to

00:12:39.000 quote Holmes Simpson.

00:12:40.000 Now look at, then there was a health crisis, I think some of you may remember, there was a little old thing called the pandemic.

00:12:45.000 That was the second worst pandemic in US history.

00:12:48.000 Look at the outcome, Pfizer reports record revenue and 103 billion in profits in 22.

00:12:54.000 Now, a war is a crisis if you're a Ukrainian person or a Russian person.

00:12:59.000 The war in Ukraine is on track to, look at it, it's a bloody inexpensive one.

00:13:03.000 But look at some of the consequences of it.

00:13:04.000 Biden signs a 1.7 trillion government spending bill, 50% of which we know will end up in the hands of companies like Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

00:13:11.000 And many of you are familiar with the 100 billion figure that represents lethal aid since Ukraine alone.

00:13:16.000 And many have said that you'd like to see that spent on like many crises in American domestic life.

00:13:21.000 So we, at this point, I think, having acknowledged that what a crisis for ordinary people are often opportunities to the world's most powerful interests, Want to make a point for our manifesto.

00:13:32.000 We've decided to create a manifesto.

00:13:34.000 Not that we're going to stand for office or anything.

00:13:34.000 Right.

00:13:36.000 Is this you doing this or chatbot?

00:13:38.000 Chatbot's in charge now.

00:13:40.000 Chatbot's got some brilliant ideas.

00:13:40.000 I can't run things.

00:13:42.000 I can't take the pressure.

00:13:43.000 Me, Chatbot, and our little mate Bard.

00:13:46.000 Excuse me!

00:13:47.000 I think there's still a lot to be said for the system.

00:13:50.000 Liberal democracy has created many miracles.

00:13:53.000 Do you know that millions of people are lifted out of poverty every single day? 0.99

00:13:58.000 Shut up, Bard! 1.00

00:14:00.000 You've got no imagination! 1.00

00:14:01.000 So here's a manifesto point, and vote on it if you would.

00:14:04.000 Do you think that it would be a good idea to stop giving Money to big companies who already make massive profits.

00:14:09.000 We're talking of course about the Supplementation and what's the word?

00:14:13.000 I'm looking for now.

00:14:14.000 That's trouble chatbot.

00:14:17.000 What do I mean when I say? 0.99

00:14:19.000 You know the word where you give money to people to keep their shit together Like BP take supplements now. 0.99

00:14:24.000 It's not the word they take come on. 0.98

00:14:27.000 Someone's got that word in their mind already and Like if you give, what about you in the message chat, stop giving the money, people are voting crazily for the stuff.

00:14:35.000 Do you mean subsidies?

00:14:36.000 That's what I mean.

00:14:36.000 Oh, okay, right.

00:14:37.000 Government subsidies.

00:14:38.000 Yeah, subsidies.

00:14:39.000 And subsidies should be in there.

00:14:41.000 Don't subsidise, don't subsidise big companies, like for example BP and Shell still receive government money.

00:14:47.000 Pfizer, all of the, for the clinical trial phase of those medicines, that was all, that was all subsidised, paid for by taxpayers.

00:14:56.000 100%.

00:14:57.000 We only paid for 100% of it.

00:14:58.000 It's only all of it.

00:15:00.000 I feel like if that is the model, when it comes to the profit stage, then you should share in the benefits, surely.

00:15:06.000 That's just a little manifesto point.

00:15:08.000 So how about, that's just one manifesto point, I've got a few others I'm working with.

00:15:12.000 Don't let people in Congress own stocks and shares in the companies that they regulate.

00:15:16.000 End lobbying forever.

00:15:18.000 Don't allow politicians to have financial interests in large corporations.

00:15:22.000 End the revolving door between Washington, Wall Street, big tech and the financial industry.

00:15:26.000 Demonopolise Facebook, Google.

00:15:30.000 I've got loads of ideas, mate.

00:15:31.000 Well, save them.

00:15:31.000 Wow.

00:15:32.000 A lot of them were chatbots.

00:15:33.000 Of course they were, yeah.

00:15:34.000 The chatbot don't have those ideas.

00:15:35.000 Chatbot, things are basically okay!

00:15:38.000 Those chatbots are idea.

00:15:39.000 Hey, listen, we're kind of come off YouTube now, so now is your chance to see who are the two pandemic heroes that profited from the pandemic, even though they were saying that the pandemic was bad, which obviously bloody well was bad.

00:15:52.000 Who are they?

00:15:53.000 We're going to leave YouTube right now and answer that question.

00:15:56.000 Who's been profiting?

00:15:58.000 Who are these silhouetted men?

00:15:59.000 The first one, who do you think they are, Gareth?

00:16:01.000 You know because you work here.

00:16:02.000 I do know.

00:16:04.000 Do you want me to say who they are?

00:16:05.000 Yeah.

00:16:06.000 And look at them being revealed as well because it's enjoyable.

00:16:08.000 All right, let's have a look at them being revealed.

00:16:12.000 Well, it's Anthony Fauci and Bill Gates.

00:16:14.000 But how is Anthony Fauci, for example, profiting in a new and novel way from the pandemic?

00:16:20.000 Let's have a look at that.

00:16:22.000 So Andy Fauci is charged as much as 100 grand for speaking engagements months after leaving his position in the Biden administration.

00:16:28.000 He was, I think, the highest paid public official, I think our friend Open Books said.

00:16:33.000 The former director of the NIAID's listing on leading motivational speakers is listed under the motivational speakers and healthcare speakers category.

00:16:42.000 He certainly motivated America, didn't he?

00:16:44.000 Yeah.

00:16:45.000 Get their masks on, take that medicine, stay in your house.

00:16:47.000 Certainly motivated those royalty payments as well.

00:16:50.000 Moved them down into the bank account, although that's quite diffuse and difficult to track.

00:16:53.000 But he had some. And then how did Bill Gates, how did Bill Gates profit?

00:16:58.000 Well, because even though he's still the largest single owner of Microsoft,

00:17:02.000 he also got that little old foundation that funds the WHO, gives hundreds of millions to various media platforms,

00:17:10.000 develops numerous vaccines at various places.

00:17:13.000 And check this, the Gates Foundation bank, roughly 260 million dollars in cash

00:17:18.000 from stocks with 242 million dollars being untaxed profit, given the money was invested through the foundation.

00:17:23.000 We talked about this before.

00:17:24.000 We did a wonderful presentation on this is often what people mean

00:17:27.000 when they say foundation is we ain't paying no tax.

00:17:29.000 Well, I'm pretty sure the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation makes more money than it gives away.

00:17:36.000 That's weird because it's a not-for-profit.

00:17:38.000 It's weird because let me just look up what the word profit means somewhere in my poem.

00:17:38.000 Yeah.

00:17:44.000 Chatbot, what does profit mean?

00:17:45.000 It means you make more money than you spend.

00:17:47.000 Right.

00:17:48.000 So the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation makes more money than it spends.

00:17:51.000 How is it a not-for-profit?

00:17:52.000 In weird ways that you wouldn't understand.

00:17:55.000 So the money was invested through the foundation.

00:17:57.000 That doesn't account for the additional two million shares that the Gates Foundation sold prior to that from its original pre-IPO equity investment.

00:18:03.000 In Q3, I know what Q3 is.

00:18:08.000 I know about investments.

00:18:10.000 No, I know, I know.

00:18:11.000 You think I don't know about it?

00:18:12.000 No, I know you do.

00:18:14.000 What is it about me?

00:18:15.000 that you think makes you think I know you know about them I know I've seen Wall Street yeah one

00:18:20.000 and two so I know what's going on the Gates Foundation secured a return of over 15 times

00:18:25.000 on its initial investment that's also sounds like profit over the next quarter Gates unloaded

00:18:29.000 1.4 million shares of CuraVac banking an estimated 50 million dollars yeah because

00:18:34.000 that was the other one that he invested in other than buy ntech So there was a few that he invested in.

00:18:38.000 You've got to be loyal, I think, to a vaccine.

00:18:41.000 You can't be saying on the Monday, it's not like on the Monday, oh, Pfizer.

00:18:45.000 On the Tuesday, Moderna.

00:18:48.000 On the Wednesday, that one I ain't even heard of, CureVac.

00:18:50.000 You could add that to your manifesto.

00:18:53.000 One vaccine!

00:18:55.000 For all, like, Lord of the Rings.

00:18:57.000 One vaccine to end all vaccines.

00:18:59.000 Not what they're currently doing.

00:19:00.000 Vaccines now is like iPhone updates, the forever vacs.

00:19:04.000 That's what they want, isn't it, as a model.

00:19:05.000 They want subscription models where you license everything, where you own nothing.

00:19:08.000 Oh yeah, they've told us that already, so that's not a revelation.

00:19:10.000 But where you're continually updating your vaccines, you're updating your phone, you don't own anything.

00:19:15.000 But maybe one of your manifesto points could be when someone's... I don't like you distancing yourself because I'd like you to say our manifesto.

00:19:20.000 Oh our manifesto, sorry.

00:19:22.000 That if you're like benefiting in some way from the pandemic that you shouldn't be in some way in charge of pandemic policy.

00:19:28.000 Maybe that could be.

00:19:29.000 You can't present yourself as a sort of a neutral like pandemic czar if you... Oh god I should probably mention as well as how much I want to help everyone I've also made more money than almost anybody else from this thing through this foundation that I've got.

00:19:42.000 Extraordinary.

00:19:43.000 I'm very excited to talk to Matthias in a minute.

00:19:43.000 Yep.

00:19:46.000 Matthias has written this really cool book about totalitarianism and how sort of mass psychology is being used to corral us into a sort of a gelatinous mob of imbecility, unable to query centralised messaging.

00:19:59.000 Are you interested in that sort of thing?

00:20:01.000 Oh, very much so, yeah.

00:20:01.000 That's what gets me going.

00:20:03.000 But before we talk to Matthias, and you've got to stay for this, you're going to love this conversation, we want to Unpack for you quite a complex issue.

00:20:11.000 You will have noticed, because of the balloon, that the current U.S.

00:20:16.000 government are escalating tensions between the U.S.

00:20:20.000 and China.

00:20:21.000 You know that military bases are cropping up in what's called a sort of an arc of menace or something like a sex noose around the neck of China. 0.89

00:20:28.000 It's called something like that, isn't it? 0.57

00:20:29.000 Did I just add the word sex?

00:20:30.000 I think you did.

00:20:31.000 John Pilger says they call it a noose.

00:20:33.000 I call it this.

00:20:33.000 That's because I've got my cut gins about it.

00:20:35.000 Sure, sure.

00:20:37.000 Why are you putting that news around China?

00:20:38.000 I don't know man, it's the only way I can get off!

00:20:42.000 Anyway, there's military bases all around China and we know that this is because of trade agreements and an increasingly fruitful alliance between Russia and China.

00:20:52.000 And they call their treaties really nice stuff.

00:20:55.000 Like the China-Russia tree is called the Good Friends and Good Neighbours Give Us a Cuddle Chum Act, and our ones are called the sort of Bastard Gang. 0.63

00:21:03.000 Wolf of It's Doctrine.

00:21:04.000 Wolf of It's, the Wolf of It's Doctrine. 0.57

00:21:06.000 The Bastard's Gang. 0.99

00:21:09.000 We're the friendly old, cuddly old, silly sausages gang. 0.95

00:21:13.000 So anyway, we're going to give you a real glimpse into the wonderful world of geopolitics, explaining complex narratives in a, I would say, rather pacey, exciting, accessible manner. 0.74

00:21:22.000 You don't think I should be reviewing it?

00:21:23.000 No, I think it is.

00:21:24.000 It's exactly that.

00:21:24.000 I'm reviewing it.

00:21:25.000 Let me know what you think about it in the chat, in the comments.

00:21:27.000 We'll be reading your chat, er, your comments, in a minute, straight afterwards.

00:21:30.000 But now, it's time for you to have a look at the escalation of tension between the US and China, and the trade deals that are behind it, and look at how we've made it funny.

00:21:39.000 Just so you don't get bored.

00:21:41.000 We love you.

00:21:41.000 Here's the news.

00:21:41.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:21:43.000 Thank you for choosing Fox News.

00:21:45.000 The news.

00:21:46.000 No, here's the effing news.

00:21:49.000 One thing about this proxy war between Ukraine and Russia is that it hasn't got a bad enough

00:21:56.000 antagonist in the form of Russia that can create enough chaos and potential Armageddon. 0.96

00:22:01.000 So hopefully the USA are amping up aggression with China, particularly if those Chinese are doing anything at all with terrifying balloons. 0.99

00:22:12.000 You know the Ukraine war?

00:22:13.000 Of course you do.

00:22:14.000 It's on the television.

00:22:15.000 Well, have you noticed that you are only given a particular perspective, that it's profitable for the military-industrial complex and subsequent to the war, Black Rock and other huge organizations will profit considerably, how you're not informed of the narrative that Russia provoked it.

00:22:27.000 Well, all of this now, while is novel to some people and not acknowledged by many more, is passing into history as America sets its sights on China, an even bigger Scary a country to annoy. 0.96

00:22:41.000 How could such a ridiculous story be unfolding in our lifetimes with top military brass suggesting we could be at war by 2025?

00:22:49.000 Surely it's not possible. 0.95

00:22:51.000 Surely that's ridiculous. 0.91

00:22:52.000 But they said a proxy war with Russia was ridiculous and we're in one now. 0.58

00:22:55.000 A high-ranking military general sounding the alarm, predicting the U.S.

00:22:58.000 could find itself at war with China within two years.

00:23:01.000 Air Force General Mike Minahan sent a memo saying, my gut tells me we will fight in 2025.

00:23:06.000 She's team reason and opportunity are all aligned for 2025.

00:23:11.000 Wars for the United States and in particular the military industrial complex

00:23:15.000 are like world cups or Olympics now.

00:23:18.000 They offer an opportunity for incredible financial growth and consolidation of power and advancing the interests of the elite.

00:23:25.000 Over the course of this conversation, with me doing most of the talking, we are going to explain those ideas to you.

00:23:30.000 How wars advantage the most powerful interests in the world.

00:23:34.000 You're not going to believe how this stuff unfolds.

00:23:36.000 Now, the provocation of China would seem like a ridiculous thing to do.

00:23:39.000 We all remember when Nancy Pelosi, that hero, that great hero and stock market genius, or at least her husband is, but they don't talk anyway, we remember how when she went to Taiwan, it increased tensions between China and the U.S.

00:23:51.000 Fortunately now, in Kevin McCarthy, there's an entirely different Speaker of the House from an entirely different party, so everything's all different now.

00:23:58.000 That's what politics can offer us.

00:24:00.000 Reports last week revealing U.S.

00:24:02.000 House Speaker Kevin McCarthy may soon visit Taiwan.

00:24:06.000 But wait, didn't we?

00:24:07.000 Oh, no, it's the same anyway!

00:24:09.000 A Chinese government official is responding, saying, quote, we urge certain individuals in the US to earnestly abide by the one China principle.

00:24:18.000 It's a weird job, Speaker of the House.

00:24:20.000 Mostly what you'll be doing is maintaining order during congressional debates.

00:24:24.000 OK.

00:24:25.000 And every so often, you've got to go to Taiwan and piss off the Chinese. 1.00

00:24:28.000 Cool.

00:24:29.000 Any reaction to China's warning against visiting Taiwan for you?

00:24:32.000 I don't think China can tell me where I can go at any time at any place.

00:24:35.000 Well, we'll see.

00:24:36.000 We all like a confident politician, but do we all like nuclear wars?

00:24:39.000 Hopefully, we'll find out.

00:24:40.000 If not by provoking Russia, then by provoking the Chinese. 0.95

00:24:43.000 Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi made the trip back in August.

00:24:46.000 She is the first House Speaker in a quarter century to visit Taiwan, and the trip caused quite a stir. 0.96

00:24:52.000 Luckily, in American democracy, you can vote for whether you want to provoke a nuclear war with a person with these genitals or these genitals. 0.95

00:24:59.000 Thank you, democracy!

00:25:01.000 US-led provocations and escalations against China are becoming a regular occurrence, both from the US itself and from its imperial assets like Australia and Taiwan.

00:25:10.000 Yet, according to the Western political media class, the urgent threat of our day is Chinese aggression.

00:25:15.000 What's that?

00:25:16.000 Up in the sky?

00:25:17.000 Is it a balloon?

00:25:18.000 Ah!

00:25:19.000 Balloons are things from the old days.

00:25:21.000 What's next?

00:25:21.000 A threat from a clown?

00:25:22.000 From a piñata?

00:25:24.000 A paraphernalia of a birthday?

00:25:26.000 Ah!

00:25:26.000 They've got streamers!

00:25:28.000 The US empire has been increasingly positioning its war machinery around China since the Obama administration's pivot to Asia.

00:25:35.000 Which sounds like a lovely little dance rather than a provocation of a nuclear war.

00:25:39.000 In ways that would have led to an immediate third world war if the roles were reversed Yeah, that's really weird, isn't it?

00:25:45.000 We're always saying that stuff they do is, when I say they, I mean, like, Russia or China is really awful. 0.98

00:25:51.000 But when it's the other way round, it's just, we're protecting our freedoms!

00:25:54.000 Your freedoms!

00:25:54.000 They hate our freedoms!

00:25:55.000 It's extraordinary.

00:25:56.000 You can't have an honest, open, public discourse if you use bias in such an extreme way.

00:26:02.000 Because the fact is, is that truth is complex.

00:26:04.000 And when you're dealing with geopolitics, it's even more complex.

00:26:06.000 But what's not complex is that the media only give you one side of the story, and that side of the story is usually favourable to the most powerful interests in the world.

00:26:14.000 That's one thing we've noticed here, so that shows you that there is an agenda, and its aggressions have escalated with each subsequent administration.

00:26:21.000 Just in the last couple of months, we've had news that the U.S.

00:26:24.000 is planning on returning to its Subic Bay base in the Philippines as part of its encirclement campaign against China, and also intends to station missile-armed marines along Japan's Okinawa Islands.

00:26:36.000 They don't even like having a balloon above America, and also, I find it sort of annoying.

00:26:41.000 Get that balloon down from there! 1.00

00:26:42.000 Like, it's annoying, isn't it, up there?

00:26:44.000 Hey, what you doing down there at that airbase?

00:26:46.000 Let's have a look!

00:26:47.000 But encircling China?

00:26:49.000 That's much worse, isn't it?

00:26:50.000 Encircling someone with missile bases.

00:26:52.000 Just think of it yourself.

00:26:53.000 What do you want?

00:26:53.000 To be surrounded by missiles?

00:26:55.000 Ooh, what's the other option?

00:26:56.000 Balloon floating above your head.

00:26:57.000 What?

00:26:57.000 Just a balloon floating above your head.

00:26:58.000 Yeah.

00:26:59.000 Can I shoot it down?

00:27:00.000 Yeah, if you want.

00:27:00.000 The US is also reportedly working on building a network of missile systems on a chain of islands near the Chinese mainland, explicitly for the goal of countering China.

00:27:09.000 This doesn't seem like a way of dampening down tensions between China and U.S.

00:27:13.000 Well, okay, so we've invited you over, and during the Olympic ceremony, there's a bit where we're gonna sort of shake hands and salute each other's flags.

00:27:21.000 Oh, that's very nice.

00:27:21.000 Good.

00:27:22.000 Thank you.

00:27:22.000 We're also surrounding you with missiles.

00:27:24.000 Oh, well, hang on.

00:27:25.000 It's starting to think that Olympic ceremony doesn't mean anything.

00:27:27.000 It doesn't.

00:27:28.000 The U.S.

00:27:29.000 and its allies have dramatically increased their naval presence in disputed waters near China, viewed as acts of aggression by Beijing.

00:27:36.000 You don't want a naval presence in your disputed waters.

00:27:39.000 Sounds like a medical condition.

00:27:40.000 Oh, I've got a naval presence in me disputed waters. 0.98

00:27:43.000 Well, don't sit next to me then.

00:27:44.000 Pooey! 1.00

00:27:45.000 No other matter of U.S. 0.70

00:27:46.000 national security is more important than China. 1.00

00:27:49.000 Stop fucking provoking them then. 1.00

00:27:50.000 The RAND Corporation. 0.99

00:27:52.000 Always good news when you hear from that little bunch at the RAND Corporation.

00:27:55.000 The RAND Corporation never get together and say, how can we help people?

00:27:57.000 I don't know, why don't we send some kids some snacks and candy?

00:28:00.000 Why don't we help old ladies across the road? 1.00

00:28:01.000 It's always, why don't we fuck with China for a while? 1.00

00:28:04.000 Nice work, Randy, old son! 0.99

00:28:06.000 Let's see what they're doing this week.

00:28:07.000 The Rand Corporation, a research arm of the Pentagon, has called China a peer competitor and the U.S.' 's greatest long-term threat.

00:28:15.000 Joe Biden's Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, has also called China the greatest threat to the U.S.' 's security.

00:28:21.000 NATO labeled China a malicious actor.

00:28:23.000 They're really escalating the way they describe China.

00:28:26.000 They're a peer, they're a threat, they're a long-term competitor.

00:28:29.000 I think they're malicious actors.

00:28:31.000 I don't like them. 0.98

00:28:31.000 I think they're pricks. 0.98

00:28:32.000 Have you seen that they eat with little sticks?

00:28:35.000 I don't think that's right.

00:28:36.000 NATO labelled China a malicious actor in the alliance's latest strategic concept document and pledged to play a larger role in curbing the so-called threats presented by its rise.

00:28:45.000 Oh, that's interesting.

00:28:46.000 Haven't we heard this before?

00:28:47.000 NATO getting involved, provoking people, calling them a militia actor.

00:28:51.000 A little bit later, we're in a war that's really profitable for the military industrial complex and Blackrock.

00:28:56.000 You can bet that somewhere in this mad fiasco, there's people making money that they're apparently willing to spend in a barren apocalyptic wasteland.

00:29:04.000 It's important to note that US war preparations with China have little to do with Taiwan specifically.

00:29:09.000 Of course, there's going to be a bit where they go, do you know what's been bothering me?

00:29:12.000 What?

00:29:12.000 Taiwan.

00:29:13.000 No one's doing nothing to help Taiwan! 0.93

00:29:16.000 Well, I've only really thought about Taiwan when it was on the back of Tom Cruise's jacket in that Maverick film.

00:29:21.000 I know, but that's just the beginning. 0.99

00:29:22.000 Those poor bastards in Taiwan are being oppressed by someone we can make money. 1.00

00:29:27.000 Who is it this time? 1.00

00:29:28.000 China. 1.00

00:29:28.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

00:29:28.000 Jesus, they're serious. 1.00

00:29:29.000 You sure?

00:29:30.000 Yeah, China.

00:29:31.000 Yep, they're suffering at the hands of China.

00:29:33.000 Get Lockheed Biden on the phone!

00:29:34.000 Gotta help those Taiwanese! 1.00

00:29:35.000 And then we'll probably do some deals to rebuild Taiwan, surveillance state, etc.

00:29:39.000 Oh, you know, but I barely had time to think about that.

00:29:42.000 Too busy thinking about protecting those people who's on the back of Maverick's jacket in Top Gun Maverick.

00:29:47.000 Their response to imperial decline and the rise of China and Russia.

00:29:50.000 So this is the important point.

00:29:52.000 They're saying it's not to do with Taiwan or maybe Ukraine.

00:29:55.000 It's to do with imperial decline and the ongoing necessity for war on how war facilitates growth in the American economy and stabilizes institutional, elitist, globalist, American corporate power.

00:30:07.000 Let's hear how that happens.

00:30:08.000 Beijing and Moscow both present their own specific challenges to Washington's hegemony.

00:30:13.000 Russia's growing sovereignty and political independence from the US-led West has undermined the Wolfowitz Doctrine of full-spectrum dominance over all territory of the former Soviet Union.

00:30:23.000 The Wolfowitz Doctrine doesn't sound like a very nice thing, does it?

00:30:26.000 You've nothing to fear.

00:30:28.000 We're merely trying to implement the Wolfowitz Doctrine!

00:30:32.000 Also, we've got the Bastard Agreement and the Kick-Up-The-Ass Treaty.

00:30:35.000 China's massive socialist-led market economy is set to surpass the US's stagnant finance capitalist system in GDP terms by 2035.

00:30:44.000 Unless... Worse for the US is that Russia and China have grown closer together. 0.66

00:30:48.000 Unless... In economic terms...

00:30:50.000 Their ones sound like My Little Pony and the Care Bears getting together.

00:30:52.000 partnership has grown by leaps and bounds since the Treaty of Good

00:30:56.000 Neighbourliness and Friendly Cooperation was established in 2001.

00:30:59.000 Their ones sound like My Little Pony and the Care Bears getting together, our ones 0.98

00:31:04.000 are like the bastard old days imperialist fuck you dogma treaty. 0.99

00:31:09.000 Oh and what are the Chinese doing? 1.00

00:31:10.000 The kissy, cuddly, friendly China-Russia-I-love-you-so-much-the-brick-a-brack-cuddly-puddles-of-loveliness-friendly-old-care-bears-good-neighbourly-kissin'-a-hugs-poof-poof-choo-choopy-choo-choo treaty. 0.69

00:31:22.000 Bilateral trade is expected to increase by 25% and reach a total volume of $200 billion ahead of the 2024 target date.

00:31:30.000 Surging economic ties with China have given Russia further protection from US-EU sanctions with agricultural and energy exports to China increasing by the month.

00:31:40.000 China and Russia have also increased coordination on matters of military coordination, color revolutions, and diplomacy in the face of a common threat, US imperialism.

00:31:49.000 How's those sanctions going, Joe Biden?

00:31:51.000 Helpful?

00:31:51.000 Desired effect?

00:31:52.000 Contracts between China and Russia? 0.92

00:31:54.000 Oh, that bloody balloon!

00:31:55.000 We beat big balloons this year!

00:32:00.000 Sorry, was that me?

00:32:02.000 But perhaps the biggest threat to US hegemony resides in China and Russia's leadership in the global movement for integration and de-dollarisation.

00:32:09.000 De-dollarisation?

00:32:10.000 Wait, no, I don't like that.

00:32:12.000 China and Russia are the principal leaders of multilateral institutions such as the BRICS Plus mechanism and the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation.

00:32:20.000 These multilateral institutions set out to strengthen investment in all sectors of economic and social development between participating countries, especially in the realm of finance.

00:32:29.000 In response to starvation sanctions imposed by the US and EU and predatory loans from Western financial institutions, Bricks Plus has united the largest global South economies, uniting Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa in an effort to develop an alternative to the US dollar dominated neoliberal economic system.

00:32:49.000 The strength of Bricks Plus grew immensely in 2022.

00:32:53.000 Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Iran, Argentina and several other countries expressed interest in or applied to join Bricks Plus.

00:33:01.000 Hmm.

00:33:01.000 BRICS Plus is complemented by China and Russia's own integration projects, which aim to develop the infrastructure necessary to break free from the petrodollar.

00:33:11.000 China's Belt and Road Initiative, BRI, sports major cooperation agreements with more than 140 countries and consists of at least 2,000 development initiatives, many of which are completed or under construction.

00:33:23.000 Talks of possibly merging the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union and the BRI are already underway.

00:33:30.000 The interest that China and Saudi Arabia have shown in trading oil in Chinese yuan and Russia's pursuit of an international reserve currency and the idea of BRICS coin are presented as major threats to Western financial dominance.

00:33:43.000 I suppose what we are witnessing is the emergence of bureaucratic, administrative and trade opposition to the current order of financial cooperation and the type of Western globalism that we all assume will take over the world, that, at least in my imagination and opinion, appears to be backed by organisations like NATO, etc., various financial and military arms and ideological and philosophical arms of this set of financial interests and domination agenda.

00:34:15.000 At the moment, the only potential opposition to this unipolar scheme could come if nations such as those described set up their own alternative.

00:34:23.000 How can the US and the set of globalist interests that US government tends to represent ever challenge this potential threat?

00:34:30.000 The US's answer to fading imperial hegemony is war, and more of it.

00:34:34.000 War is an inherent feature of predatory neoliberalism, where corporations seek favourable conditions to exploit and plunder the planet's labouring classes and resources.

00:34:44.000 Look at the Ukraine conflict and see if that template is applicable.

00:34:47.000 War is also a permanent and very profitable industry dominated by a tiny few military contractors.

00:34:53.000 See if you can learn anything about that idea from the current conflict in Ukraine.

00:34:57.000 The ruling elite has calculated that U.S.

00:34:59.000 imperialism cannot compete with China and Russia, making the rise of both an existential threat to the future of U.S.-led neoliberalism and imperialism.

00:35:08.000 That U.S. 0.96

00:35:08.000 foreign policy strategists and experts are planning for the next war should come as no surprise. 0.96

00:35:13.000 U.S.

00:35:13.000 imperialism does not target singular enemies.

00:35:16.000 It targets alternative development models and the nations attempting to build them.

00:35:20.000 A few useful contemporary examples might be the rise of Bitcoin and digital currencies more broadly, which were first demonised and now are being co-opted and centralised.

00:35:30.000 We're seeing more talk of CBDCs, which I would say is an indication of the success or potential further success of decentralised currency models.

00:35:38.000 It's something that has to be attacked and undermined.

00:35:39.000 It's against American interests.

00:35:41.000 As Henry Kissinger said, the United States has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests.

00:35:46.000 That's an interesting dialectic tool to apply.

00:35:48.000 Just interest.

00:35:49.000 What are those interests?

00:35:50.000 Can you see those interests playing out in current conflict?

00:35:53.000 Could you see how those interests could be served through a conflict elsewhere?

00:35:56.000 The Ukraine proxy war is thus a testing ground for the larger US agenda of imperial expansion.

00:36:01.000 The current proxy war between Ukraine and Russia is obviously a testing ground for weapons as we have shown you, opportunity to introduce surveillance models and CBDCs, an opportunity to destabilize Russia, an opportunity to demonize a potential opponent in this potential bipolar world.

00:36:17.000 So you can see how Henry Kissinger's model is playing out there.

00:36:20.000 One of the things that fascinates me is if you look hard enough or just remember or watch news archive, you know, take the Nord Stream gas pipeline.

00:36:26.000 You can see people saying there won't be a Nord Stream gas pipeline.

00:36:29.000 They won't be able to get away with that if that were ever to happen.

00:36:31.000 Our agenda is to make sure that America can meet Europe's energy needs.

00:36:34.000 All of these things are available to you if you want to put together the research and news as our team have done here.

00:36:41.000 That's why of course independent journalism has to be ultimately demonised, smeared, brought

00:36:46.000 down and the problems that online media bring about to these kind of centralised narratives

00:36:50.000 and the interests that they coalesce around is it gives us the ability to go, hey wait

00:36:53.000 a minute, couldn't this also be as well as humanitarianism which it doesn't seem from 0.95

00:36:56.000 history you give a shit about, could it be these interests that are being pursued? 0.95

00:37:00.000 So they obviously have to shut down that side of the conversation. 0.98

00:37:03.000 How do you do that?

00:37:04.000 You call people conspiracy theorists, you shut down debate.

00:37:06.000 We're seeing all of this play out in real time.

00:37:09.000 It's just interesting isn't it to expand out and look at what the macro threat might be.

00:37:13.000 The long game here is a potential deal between China and Russia and other large nations that could ultimately destabilise the petrodollar, destabilise American centralist corporate interests and the kind of stuff that we generally talk about here.

00:37:26.000 There is, it seems, a realistic external threat, at least outside of their narrative and their hegemony, presented by Russia and China. 0.68

00:37:34.000 So who are we having a war with now and who are we having a war with next?

00:37:37.000 And whatever they tell you, the reason is obviously they have to give you a reason that will mobilise you and prevent meaningful opposition.

00:37:43.000 And if, by the way, you can make it taboo to even criticise that war, all the better.

00:37:47.000 It's not easy to come out and say, hey, this conflict with Ukraine, because people are like, don't you care about Ukrainian people and Ukrainian children?

00:37:53.000 Well, of course, actually.

00:37:54.000 That's why it would be good to come to a peaceful resolution.

00:37:56.000 And the same will happen in a while with Taiwan.

00:37:58.000 So get ready for some humanitarian disaster that's happening in Taiwan.

00:38:02.000 Watch how these narratives start getting fed in through the mainstream.

00:38:04.000 There's a balloon up there!

00:38:05.000 You know, I'm not saying that balloon's not real or whatever.

00:38:07.000 I'm just saying, look at how centralised forces coalesce around US interests.

00:38:12.000 And actually, if you look hard enough, they've told you all of this stuff.

00:38:15.000 They're telling you it.

00:38:16.000 It's hidden in plain sight, as they say.

00:38:18.000 But that's just what I think.

00:38:19.000 Let me know what you think in the chat and the comments.

00:38:21.000 I'll be reading those comments in a second.

00:38:23.000 Thanks for choosing Fox News.

00:38:25.000 The news. 1.00

00:38:26.000 No, here's the fucking news! 1.00

00:38:29.000 Bob303, you said, Oh goody, wars. On multiple fronts. With countries that 1.00

00:38:30.000 have nuclear bombs.

00:38:36.000 Yup, that's what the world needs.

00:38:38.000 Sue's Joy, we, ah Taiwan, she's saying this from Taiwan, are a pawn.

00:38:44.000 Ugh, I don't want to move back to the US.

00:38:46.000 Please pray that this doesn't happen.

00:38:49.000 And then Larry Stink says, why help people when you can monetize their destruction?

00:38:53.000 Some interesting comments from our community.

00:38:55.000 Thank you, guys.

00:38:56.000 Keep those comments coming.

00:38:57.000 Keep chatting to us.

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00:39:05.000 I can be the anti-chat bot.

00:39:07.000 Be the anti-chat bot.

00:39:09.000 What do you mean by that?

00:39:10.000 Well, be the real human version.

00:39:11.000 Be human!

00:39:13.000 For God's sake, your humanity is your greatest weapon.

00:39:15.000 Even your vulnerability, even your flaws are beautiful.

00:39:18.000 All of the doubts, all of the suffering.

00:39:20.000 Perhaps this is ultimately what will separate us from the terrifying AI revolution.

00:39:25.000 Hey, we've got a guest coming on right now.

00:39:27.000 It's Matthias Desmet.

00:39:29.000 This is his book, The Psychology of Totalitarianism.

00:39:32.000 This book's just been banned by Ghent University, which I think he works there.

00:39:36.000 So he's ever so cheesed off.

00:39:39.000 If you ban my book, my bookie book.

00:39:41.000 What?

00:39:41.000 Yeah, no one can read it around here.

00:39:43.000 Hey, that's against my rights as an author.

00:39:45.000 No.

00:39:45.000 Matthias, thank you very much for joining us on Stay Free with Russell Brand.

00:39:50.000 We're grateful to have you.

00:39:50.000 Thank you, Russell, for inviting me.

00:39:53.000 It's great to be here.

00:39:55.000 Do you work at Ghent University?

00:39:57.000 I do.

00:39:58.000 They've banned your own book.

00:40:00.000 How do you feel?

00:40:02.000 Well, it feels a bit strange, of course.

00:40:03.000 You don't expect university to ban books.

00:40:06.000 Definitely, in my opinion, there are not very good reasons to do so.

00:40:10.000 But I will reply.

00:40:14.000 I will respond to this decision, explaining crystal clear why I think The book shouldn't be banned, of course.

00:40:25.000 Pius, they'll probably ban your reply.

00:40:27.000 Now, before we get into this book banning, let's work out what the book is, in fact, about.

00:40:33.000 Can you tell us, first of all, what is meant by the phrase mass formation?

00:40:37.000 Give us a few examples of how mass formation could be understood in the last century under old forms of totalitarianism, Stalinism, fascism, etc., and how totalitarianism has altered In accordance with the rise of cybernetics, AI and new ways of corralling and managing data.

00:41:00.000 The title of the book, of course, is The Psychology of Totalitarianism.

00:41:05.000 Totalitarianism is a typical kind of state which is different from a classical dictatorship.

00:41:11.000 Many people confuse totalitarian states with classical dictatorships, but they are completely different.

00:41:20.000 A classical dictatorship is based on a very elementary, very primitive psychological mechanism, namely the population that is scared of a small group of people, the dictatorial regime, who has a huge aggressive potential and in this way can impose unilaterally its social contract to the population.

00:41:39.000 But the totalitarian state is based on a completely different psychological mechanism.

00:41:43.000 It is based on the psychological mechanism of mass formation.

00:41:47.000 What is mass formation?

00:41:48.000 Mass formation is a very specific group formation which has a very specific effect at the level of individual mental functioning.

00:41:56.000 When people are in the grip of a mass formation, they typically lose all capacity to take a critical distance of what the group believes in.

00:42:08.000 When the group believes in the most absurd things, more blatantly wrong, they will continue to go along with the narrative that led to the group formation.

00:42:15.000 That's one thing.

00:42:16.000 The second thing is that when someone is in the grip of a mass formation, he typically becomes willing to sacrifice everything.

00:42:24.000 His own health, wealth, the future of his children, and so on and so on.

00:42:29.000 When someone is in the grip of a mass formation, he's willing to radically self-sacrifice.

00:42:36.000 A third very specific effect at the level of individual mental functioning is that people who are in the grip of a mass formation become radically intolerant for dissonant voices.

00:42:45.000 That's very important.

00:42:46.000 And in the end, when the mass formation continues until the last stage, the masses typically start to commit atrocities, start to destroy each and everyone who doesn't go along with the masses.

00:42:59.000 And they do so as if it is their ethical duty to do so.

00:43:03.000 And the better you understand the mechanism of mass formation, the more you see what we can do against it.

00:43:12.000 And that's what my book is all about.

00:43:14.000 I describe how Throughout the last 200 centuries, very specific psychological conditions emerged in the population.

00:43:24.000 And how these conditions led to larger and larger and stronger and stronger mass formations, and eventually led to the emergence of totalitarian states, which are always based on mass formation.

00:43:37.000 So it's crucial to understand how this mechanism works.

00:43:40.000 You need four conditions.

00:43:44.000 In order for large-scale mass formation to emerge, the first one is that many people should feel isolated and lonely.

00:43:52.000 And just before the corona crisis, many people felt isolated and lonely.

00:43:56.000 Theresa May appointed the Minister of Loneliness about 10 or 12 years ago, I think.

00:44:02.000 And the US Surgeon General in the United States claimed that there was a loneliness epidemic.

00:44:11.000 A lot of people felt lonely.

00:44:12.000 And then the second condition.

00:44:14.000 First, many people have to feel lonely.

00:44:16.000 Second condition, many people have to be confronted with lack of meaning-making in life.

00:44:21.000 Third, very important, many people have to feel so-called free-floating anxiety, frustration and aggression.

00:44:32.000 That means anxiety, frustration and aggression that cannot be coupled to a mental representation.

00:44:39.000 That means that people feel anxious, frustrated and aggressive without knowing what they feel anxious, frustrated and aggressive for.

00:44:49.000 And when these conditions are met, Something very specific might happen in society.

00:44:55.000 Free-floating anxiety is extremely aversive, because when you don't know what you feel anxious for, you cannot control your anxiety.

00:45:05.000 And in these conditions, something very specific might happen.

00:45:09.000 If, under these conditions, a narrative is distributed through the mass media, indicating an object of anxiety and the strategy to deal with that object of anxiety, Then all this free-floating anxiety might suddenly couple to this object of anxiety.

00:45:28.000 And there might be a huge willingness in the population to participate in the strategy, to deal with the object of anxiety, even when this strategy is utterly absurd.

00:45:38.000 So the object of anxiety, for instance, in the corona crisis, was the coronavirus.

00:45:43.000 The strategy was the lockdowns, the vaccination campaigns, and so on.

00:45:47.000 But exactly the same things happened in the past.

00:45:52.000 The Soviet Union, we had the aristocracy that was the object of anxiety and the gulags that were a way to deal with it. 0.88

00:45:57.000 We had the Jews in Nazi Germany.

00:45:59.000 We had the witches in the 17th, 16th century.

00:46:02.000 We had the Muslims during the Crusades and so on.

00:46:07.000 Every large-scale mass formation starts in the same way.

00:46:09.000 The free-floating anxiety is all coupled to an object of anxiety and then someone proposes a strategy to deal with that object of anxiety.

00:46:20.000 There is a huge willingness in the population to participate in this strategy.

00:46:24.000 The psychological advantage, of course, is that from then on, people have the feeling that they can control their anxiety and that they have an object at which they can direct all their frustration and aggression, which gives a huge satisfaction.

00:46:40.000 And then in a second step, something even more important happens.

00:46:45.000 Something extremely important.

00:46:47.000 Because so many people at the same time participate in the same strategy, the same heroic battle with the object of anxiety.

00:46:57.000 People have the feeling that they can escape their loneliness, that they feel connected again.

00:47:04.000 That's why every Mass Foundation goes hand in hand with a feeling of solidarity and new citizenship.

00:47:14.000 That, as the loneliness and a disconnection, was the root cause of the psychological level of the mass formation.

00:47:23.000 It seems to people as if the mass formation cures them, takes away their loneliness.

00:47:29.000 And actually, that's crucial.

00:47:32.000 That's not true.

00:47:34.000 Because a mass is always a group that is formed, not because individuals connect to each other, A mass is a group that is formed because individuals all connect to the same collective ideal.

00:47:48.000 And in the end, when the mass formation continues for a long time, all solidarity and all love is sucked away from the bond between individuals and it's all injected in the bond between the individual and the collective.

00:48:04.000 Meaning that After a while, everyone expects from everyone else that everyone sacrifices everything for the collective, and there is no solidarity at all anymore between individuals.

00:48:17.000 So that's a strange effect that the mass formation creates.

00:48:20.000 It focuses all the attention on one small aspect of reality, for instance, the corona crisis.

00:48:28.000 It connects the group in a heroic battle with this object of anxiety, And it leads to a mental state that is typically the same as hypnosis.

00:48:36.000 Mass formation, technically speaking, is the same as mass hypnosis.

00:48:40.000 Also in a hypnotic procedure, all your attention is focused on one small aspect of reality, and the rest of reality seems to disappear.

00:48:47.000 That was exactly what happened in the corona crisis.

00:48:49.000 Everybody was focused on the victims of the coronavirus, and it seemed that nobody noticed anymore that there was a huge collateral damage, and that every proper cost-benefit analysis might conclude that the remedy was worse than the cure.

00:49:09.000 So that's the effect of a large-scale mass emission.

00:49:16.000 I like the way that it is tied to individual psyches and states that are identifiable and empirical, such as loneliness.

00:49:25.000 I like the way that it is connected to the inherent nihilism and loss of meaning that many people are experiencing as many of the ideas of the last century and the religious ideas that preceded them are starting to collapse into ideas of commerce, and pleasure and distraction as opposed to meaning and

00:49:46.000 purpose.

00:49:46.000 It fascinates me also, Matthias, that the energy can be directed in this way,

00:49:53.000 but I guess that one of the things that a lot of people will inquire about

00:49:59.000 is that when we talk about totalitarianism in its earlier forms,

00:50:03.000 there are key identifiers, in particular the kind of emblems, I suppose there's an aesthetic to fascism and communism

00:50:13.000 that's recognisable, and in particular there's rhetoric and indeed actual...

00:50:19.000 Genocide, prejudice, violence.

00:50:23.000 Now, I noted that you talked about that there are several phases and stages.

00:50:27.000 Are you suggesting that a natural and indeed necessary progression of this early stage Mass formation that we're currently experiencing that was inculcated and practiced during the pandemic and you can see examples of even in the reporting of an attitudes towards the current UK and Russia conflict will at some point lead to comparable violence.

00:50:50.000 If you're making the point that This has the characteristics of 20th century totalitarianism in some form.

00:50:57.000 Are you similarly making the case that there will be a corollary of violence or will it be neutered and a different type of violence?

00:51:05.000 Is that kind of violence no longer necessary when control can be asserted through freezing of assets, manipulation of behavior, etc.? ?

00:51:16.000 Yes, every mass, every crowd or every mass, if it continues for a long time, is at risk of committing atrocities and is at risk of Committing atrocities towards the people who do not go along with them.

00:51:30.000 The most important, the crucial thing is whether or not there will be dissident voices, whether or not there will be people who continue to speak out against the narrative the masses follow.

00:51:42.000 That's crucial.

00:51:43.000 That's something that was described by Gustave Le Bon already in the 19th century.

00:51:47.000 He said every time a mass emerges in a society, there's a group of people who is not sensitive to this mass formation, but a rather large group.

00:51:55.000 And then of this group who doesn't fall prey to the hypnosis or to the mass formation, there is a very small group who decides to speak out.

00:52:04.000 And in first place, initially, these people will be disappointed because they will notice that they cannot Wake up the people who are in the mass formation, that they cannot show the people in the mass formation, that the narrative they follow is absurd in many respects.

00:52:21.000 So they'll be disappointed, but they should never forget that something that was described already by Gustave Le Bon, they should never forget that even when they do not succeed in waking up the masses, they have an extremely important effect.

00:52:34.000 And that effect is that they constantly disturb the mass formation.

00:52:39.000 And in this way, make sure that the mass formation doesn't go to the last and ultimate stage where they start to be really destructive, where they start to destroy everyone who doesn't go along with them.

00:52:51.000 So what is crucial is the question whether or not there will be a group who will continue to speak out.

00:52:58.000 History has shown us what happens when the opposition decides to become silent, decides to go underground completely.

00:53:08.000 That happened in 1930, I think, in the Soviet Union, 1935 in Nazi Germany, and within one year, the masses started to commit atrocities.

00:53:19.000 At that moment, the opposition decided that it became too dangerous to speak out, and it decided to shut up.

00:53:27.000 decided to stop speaking out.

00:53:29.000 And that's exactly, sometime a few months later, typically, the atrocity starts.

00:53:35.000 So, it's crucial, that's an extremely important difference between a classical dictatorship and a totalitarian state.

00:53:44.000 In a classical dictatorship, it makes sense to hide and to go underground, to stop speaking out.

00:53:51.000 In a totalitarian state, it doesn't.

00:53:55.000 So that's also a very typical difference.

00:53:58.000 If in a totalitarian state, the leaders succeed in silencing the opposition... I will give the other example first.

00:54:08.000 If in a classical dictatorship, the dictator succeeds in silencing the opposition, he will typically become less aggressive.

00:54:17.000 He will mitigate his aggression, just because he has His common sense, which tells him, I'm in control now.

00:54:26.000 I should just show the population that I will be a good leader.

00:54:29.000 So he becomes less aggressive.

00:54:31.000 If in a totalitarian state, the leaders succeed in silencing the opposition, exactly the opposite will happen.

00:54:38.000 First, then the system will start to unleash its aggressive potential.

00:54:43.000 Because at that moment, the mass formation becomes complete.

00:54:47.000 The madness becomes complete.

00:54:48.000 And everyone in the masses and the leaders start to be convinced that it is their holy duty to destroy everyone who doesn't go along with their system, with their ideology, with their totalitarian ideology, of which they always believe that it will create an artificial paradise.

00:55:07.000 Hitler had such a theory, his race theory. 0.94

00:55:09.000 Stalin had his historical materialist theory.

00:55:12.000 And now we are at risk of a more transhumanist technocratic idea.

00:55:18.000 Matthijs, Matthijs, I've got some questions that have built up over the time we've been talking.

00:55:22.000 Here they are.

00:55:23.000 Thanks.

00:55:24.000 The first one is Martin Goury in his book The Revolt of the Public talks about the impossibility of the type of totalitarianism of the last century because of the Capacity for dissenting voices and counter narratives continually that technology has presented us with.

00:55:41.000 And I know that Brad Evans, friend of the show, could offer a frequent guest on the show and professor of violence would say that we're always or the state is always looking for who it is permitted to enact violence against.

00:55:55.000 And when I was trying to discern whether this is a classical dictatorship or totalitarianism, and I know that the argument you're making is this is totalitarianism, I was thinking, who is it already permitted to enact violence against?

00:56:07.000 I suppose you'd say domestically, people that are in prison, people that are homeless and destitute, abroad, there are certain countries that is permissible and

00:56:16.000 certain populations and ethnic groups that even the neoliberal states sanctions violence

00:56:22.000 against. So I'm just looking at whether or like I'm looking for the symptoms of the potential

00:56:28.000 exacerbation of this condition because I imagine that what you're arguing is that we are in the ascent

00:56:36.000 of this phenomena and that without organized opposition which is possible as Martin Goury has

00:56:43.000 posits in his book Dissent of the Revolt of the Public that it is possible now for dissenting

00:56:48.000 voices to maintain counter narratives to organize even in the face of considerable opposition

00:56:54.000 that sort of Throughout the pandemic, let's take an example, there were

00:56:57.000 Continuing counter narrative voices, there were continual studies about vaccine efficacy, adverse reactions, efficacy of lockdown, questioning the profits of big pharma, the regulatory actions of the government.

00:57:14.000 So And now, of course, what's I suppose concerning is the way that there is a sort of a collective amnesia and a willingness to continue the kind of trust and relationship that you describe between the mass formation and the centralized leadership elites.

00:57:33.000 So what I suppose what I'm asking you, Matthias, is What do you think is the requirement for meaningful opposition to this attempt at globalist totalitarianism?

00:57:46.000 And given your diagnosis that there's a point where violence starts being enacted, where do you think we are on that trajectory currently?

00:57:58.000 Well, we are definitely not at the end stage yet of the mass formation.

00:58:04.000 So the crucial question will be whether there are people who are very decided just to continue to speak out, no matter what happens.

00:58:15.000 And technology can help.

00:58:17.000 Indeed, at this moment, through the social media, alternative opinions, dissident voices can spread very fast around the world.

00:58:24.000 And that's extremely important.

00:58:26.000 The question, of course, is whether in a certain amount of time, The alternative voices will not be banned from the social media.

00:58:39.000 That's a good question, of course.

00:58:40.000 Because as soon as, let's say, a digital ID is introduced, it might become quite easy to ban critical voices from the social media.

00:58:49.000 I hope it will not.

00:58:50.000 And even in that case, we will have to continue to speak out.

00:58:54.000 So, no matter what happens, If we can't speak out on social media, then we just speak out on the streets and in the shops and in the pubs.

00:59:04.000 That's also a good place to speak out.

00:59:07.000 But that's always a decisive question, because mass formation is identical to a kind of group formation, mass hypnosis.

00:59:17.000 And hypnosis is always induced by the voice, the voice of a leader.

00:59:21.000 That's exactly why totalitarian leaders use so much indoctrination and propaganda rather than terror, as a classical dictatorship does.

00:59:30.000 The classical dictatorship uses terror in the first place.

00:59:35.000 Indoctrination and propaganda can only be countered by truth speech.

00:59:41.000 People who speak in a sincere and honest way what they think is true, not because they are convinced that they are the only ones who know everything, no, just because they say, it's my ethical duty as a human being to articulate the words of which I think they are sincere and honest.

00:59:59.000 If we do it in this way, not so much trying to convince other people, but just Trying to articulate the words that we think are sincere and honest, then we will have a maximal effect.

01:00:13.000 That's what we have to do.

01:00:15.000 Not so much trying to convince, trying to, in a quiet and peaceful way, articulate what we think is true.

01:00:22.000 And that's where our voice will have a maximum resonating capacity.

01:00:30.000 And it is this resonating capacity that is capable of disturbing the mass formation.

01:00:39.000 The mass formation of which, in the end, only about 20-30% of the people are in the grip of.

01:00:45.000 So, usually, not much more than 20-30% of the people are in the grip of the mass formation, but there is like 60-65%, maybe even more, it's hard to say exactly, but who always follows the masses because they have the loudest voice in society and because they are never used to go against the loudest voice.

01:01:04.000 So it's just crucial that the people who have the courage to speak out continue to do so, and continue to do so in the right way.

01:01:14.000 Matthias Desmet, thank you so much for joining us, for introducing us to some new terminology and some very exciting, if terrifying, new information.

01:01:24.000 I'd love you to join us for our whole episode in the next few weeks, so that we can spend an hour talking through these ideas.

01:01:33.000 at more length. Thank you so much for joining us. Matthias Desmet is the author of The Psychology

01:01:38.000 of Totalitarianism and you can of course follow his work on Substack before he's banned. Matthias,

01:01:43.000 thank you so much for joining us, mate. Thank you for inviting me. It's great to talk to you. Thank

01:01:48.000 you very much. Thanks Lexi for the hookup. I appreciate it.

01:01:51.000 On the show tomorrow Satish Kumar, activist and the author of Radical Love. That's a pivot.

01:01:56.000 That's the kind of thing we offer on this show. Analysis of mass formations from a kind of radical

01:02:03.000 academic and then Satish Kumar whose historic walk from India to the United States set the tone

01:02:09.000 for new spirituality, new pilgrimages.

01:02:12.000 He met Martin Luther King, he met Bertrand Russell, talked about CND.

01:02:16.000 He's a brilliant elder and great leader and you'll love learning from him tomorrow.

01:02:22.000 Gareth, what did you think about Matthias Desmet there?

01:02:25.000 Did you enjoy our conversation?

01:02:26.000 Very interesting.

01:02:27.000 Obviously, you know, pretty terrifying.

01:02:29.000 I thought, you know, when you were asking about where we were on the kind of trajectory, it felt like, to me, there were moments during the pandemic, certainly in ways that we heard from politicians and the media, where there was a kind of two-tier society being formed.

01:02:44.000 Yeah, that unvaccinated stuff, they were talking about shaming, blaming, that was borderline, wasn't it?

01:02:50.000 Yeah, and so when you were kind of saying where are we and where are the atrocities, it felt like, to me, we were heading in a direction that was pretty scary.

01:02:58.000 Yeah, they were looking at justifying it and in a sense it was only because of the demonstrable hypocrisy that many people that are unvaccinated are also drawn from communities that part of their stated ideology is supposed to be conserving or protective of, I'm speaking specifically of people from non-white or non-dominant cultures in those particular nations.

01:03:22.000 Perhaps arrested or at least provided a counter narrative, but it wouldn't have been enough.

01:03:26.000 Ultimately, people lost their jobs, people lost economic opportunities.

01:03:30.000 I believe there's been some movement in that New York City case, Gareth, where all those 34,000 nurses lost their job.

01:03:35.000 I think there's going to be more cases because isn't there been a precedent set?

01:03:38.000 I think that's the other side of it, Ross, is that when we're talking about atrocities, it might not be in the form that we're used to seeing in the history books.

01:03:46.000 You know, people wiped out in that sense.

01:03:48.000 But when you hear that, you know, 30 or 40% of small businesses have not reopened after the pandemic, when you hear that this amount of people are suffering through depression, suicide, cancer, all these kind of things, there are atrocities.

01:04:02.000 It's just that exactly like he was saying at the start of it, at the start of it, only one narrative was being focused on.

01:04:09.000 And that was what everyone could kind of get behind.

01:04:11.000 Particularly when you consider that the victims of those atrocities were ultimately sanctioned, what you know I've raised rather well, that point about there are certain communities that you're permitted to commit violence against.

01:04:23.000 Well, you know, over the time that energy giants have been getting record profits, big pharma record profits, big tech record profits, small businesses annihilated.

01:04:32.000 That's how the wealth transfer that's often discussed took place.

01:04:37.000 And so, yeah, I think there's a, I suppose that is evidence both the treatment of the unvaccinated and as you say, mate, the more diffuse economic impugning of small businesses and the increase in mental health.

01:04:50.000 That is an example of atrocities.

01:04:52.000 Would you agree?

01:04:53.000 Let us know in the chat.

01:04:53.000 Let us know in the comments.

01:04:55.000 But in a more, if not more anodyne form, because it's incredible suffering, it's not as vivid and as obvious as the kind of internment and genocide that we're Familiar with and I certainly wouldn't want to make any comparisons because I'm not mad.

01:05:07.000 All right, then so Should we go then because yeah, I've done this for a while now.

01:05:12.000 Yeah, we're good I guess the other part of it that I was thinking about is with the Ukraine situation at the moment we've got also got a situation going on in Yemen where You know, far more people have died and are dying and yet the kind of framing of the United States involvement in both those wars is completely different.

01:05:28.000 And that again goes back to what he's saying about, it's about the narrative and the framing that's being created here.

01:05:34.000 You know, no one's talking about, what about Yemen?

01:05:36.000 You know, no one's talking about... Should we do that tomorrow?

01:05:39.000 Because there is that ongoing conflict in Yemen and like the framing of particular deaths and particular wars is an interesting thing.

01:05:45.000 Do you think so?

01:05:45.000 You guys, I'm talking to you.

01:05:47.000 We're talking to you with real connection there.

01:05:50.000 So hey, listen, we better wrap this show up because we've got to go home.

01:05:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

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