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00:02:34.000Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
00:02:37.000And indeed, it is an extraordinary episode if you're interested in freedom.
00:02:40.000There's not many people in the COVID pandemic space that are willing to draw extraordinary conclusions based on arithmetic and understanding of the type of modelling that was deployed and how That, in itself, was utilized to propagandize an entire planet into terror.
00:02:59.000He has a unique insight into the way that the media, the state, and the pharmaceutical industry, of course, benefited from presenting information in a particular way.
00:03:13.000Honest, key workers and health professionals that were on the ground experiencing the pandemics and the intensive care units full of people on ventilators in dread.
00:03:22.000What about those people that are reporting how various medications and lockdown measures saved their lives?
00:03:27.000Well, there's so much to cover and we'll be covering it all.
00:03:30.000Of course, we can't cover it on YouTube because of Curiously enough, the kind of censorship that became normalized during the pandemic period and is increasingly being used to shut down dissent on a variety of topics, whether it's war, whether it's pandemics, whether it's climate change, you name it, there's censorship on it.
00:03:47.000Indeed, what we are experiencing now is a war against dissent and we have to win that war.
00:04:06.000This week's one is a beautiful dive into fluoride.
00:04:09.000And is it conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact?
00:04:12.000You get to join us live for conversations and put your content and inquiries to our experts.
00:04:17.000We meditate every week and we've got a book club where we're learning more.
00:04:21.000About, well, Christianity and a variety of theologies and ideas.
00:04:25.000It's a beautiful movement to be a part of.
00:04:27.000So, let's get into our conversation with Nick Hudson right now.
00:04:33.000And we'll be with you for about 10 minutes on YouTube, not a lot longer because me and Nick Hudson, we get into this stuff and he's straight away, he's defaming some of the most powerful forces in the world.
00:04:43.000That's why you're going to love this conversation.
00:05:08.000We have become a community through necessity in adversity and granted the incredible opportunity of this new movement somewhat as a result of what we learned during the pandemic period from what I understand about your work and what I understand about the organizations that you participate in and lead.
00:05:29.000The pandemic period has been a significant time of awakening for you.
00:05:34.000Can you please explain to our audience precisely how your purview of the world altered during the pandemic period and what were the most sort of notable stations of the cross as it were?
00:05:50.000I guess my first moment of shock awakening was right at the beginning.
00:05:57.000By qualification, I'm an actuary, so I sort of have an easy way around data and was looking for some signs of what this whole COVID story was about.
00:06:06.000And it was very obvious very early on that the risk was being dramatically exaggerated, if there was even one at all.
00:06:15.000And I could see there was just tons of propaganda floating around.
00:06:19.000And those two pieces together, with my inability to find many people in my network that I thought was pretty solid, who I could even speak to about this problem, those things woke me up to the dawning of a real problem in the world.
00:06:39.000And over the next few years, it just went from bad to worse.
00:06:45.000Before we continue, here's a quick message.
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00:06:50.000Perhaps because you're a busy parent or you work incredibly hard.
00:08:19.000We don't believe that there was a novel pathogen spreading from a point source.
00:08:23.000We think that the harms that there were, and there were indeed harms, were largely caused by the reaction to the reported viral outbreak.
00:08:34.000Harms from bad treatment protocols, harms from fear and panic, harms from inappropriate use of medicines, inappropriate testing with PCR, crazy crazy timelines of approval etc etc.
00:08:48.000So we've basically reached the point after years and years of careful study where we say that the entire pandemic was a fraud.
00:08:58.000That's an extraordinary conclusion to have reached, although when you announced that fear was a component in creating the conditions, even the legacy media reported, I noted this week, that perhaps one of the reasons there's been a radical increase in cardiac arrest in recent years might be because of an increase in anger.
00:09:23.000There are a spate of stories suggesting that might be the cause for Extraordinary, the extraordinary increase in heart conditions that have been observed in the last few years.
00:09:32.000If I can pick up on one of the early points in your last response, the fact that you are an actuary.
00:09:37.000What do you, I know what that word means, that it means that you have a good understanding of mathematical data.
00:09:44.000So what in particular about the mathematical data sets in the early part of the pandemic has led you to what to many people will be the astonishing conclusion that there was not A pandemic?
00:09:56.000What, particularly in the mathematical data?
00:09:59.000Well, you know, it was really clear that there was no risk presented to even vaguely healthy people under the age of 70.
00:10:06.000So to call a disease that maybe presents a threat to people with many other comorbidities and among the elderly people, most of whom are in old age homes or in ICU's at hospitals, to call a disease of that nature a pandemic, that's a fraud.
00:10:26.000Then some months later, in 2020, we began to get the first kind of granular data.
00:10:33.000So that would be, you know, information at a very detailed geographic location.
00:10:39.000And when we looked at that data from the UK, from Italy, from the United States, what we couldn't see was the telltale signs of pathogenic spread. Those are called cluster and ripple effects. And we
00:10:54.000could not detect those in data from anywhere on the planet. So this whole story that
00:11:00.000there was a novel deadly virus spreading and causing harm amongst the general
00:11:04.000population and everybody needed to hide under their beds was false. That was that.
00:11:11.000It's interesting when some of the ideas that emerge, not necessarily contradict each other,
00:11:23.000but may not complement each other as neatly as I would like.
00:11:25.000For example, when people say that and there is some evidence to suggest that the pan that what was taking place in the Wuhan Institute of Virology was dual purpose research, that the Eco Health Alliance patented a particular pathogen that It was likely, at least there's some evidence to suggest, was related to the outbreak of COVID-19, identifiable by its somewhat unique cleavage site.
00:11:52.000When we say that there was not a pan, they're saying, OK, this thing was created in a lab.
00:12:01.000And you're saying that because there was no cluster and ripple effect, which is a sort of a requirement in a pandemic for it to even warrant the use of that term.
00:12:14.000Do you see that there's a sort of a contradiction there?
00:12:18.000They're saying it was a man made in a virus.
00:12:21.000And you're saying that actually, in a sense, from the beginning, it should never have been described as a pandemic.
00:12:27.000From the very offset, what we should have been told is there's a pathogen that appears to, if you have respiratory conditions or comorbidities, may reduce your life expectancy by several months.
00:12:42.000Do you think that would be a sort of a fair assessment?
00:12:46.000Yeah, that would be a fair assessment if somebody had actually done the homework to check that there was a spreading pathogen.
00:12:55.000Certainly the way it was described bore no relationship to reality.
00:13:00.000You know, I think it's very good that you're raising this question of what went on in Wuhan, because clearly there were people who wanted to do the so-called gain-of-function research, and there were people who wanted to fund them, and maybe some money flowed.
00:13:13.000Maybe they did create new sequences, new virological components.
00:13:20.000But at the most, what they delivered at the end of their process was really better referred to as claim of function, not gain of function, because we can't see any of that function in the real world.
00:13:31.000Or to put it another way, you know, if they did make something that kind of leaked or got out or was released or whatever the case may be, it wasn't a bioweapon, it was a biopop gun.
00:13:44.000I think it is very important to not lose sight of that whole Wuhan story because I think it's part of the presentation to us of an entirely false dichotomy.
00:13:56.000This idea that we must choose between the lab leak by a weapon and a zoonotic event.
00:14:05.000a bat bumping into a pangolin in a bar kind of story. There's no reason that we should have to
00:14:10.000confine ourselves to those two alternatives. What I believe is more likely is that these PCR tests
00:14:17.000were dipping into a signal that was already quite widely distributed in the human population.
00:14:24.000And what was happening was they were finding those cases as the PCR test spread.
00:14:34.000It wasn't the spread of a virus, it was the spread of a test.
00:14:37.000And as people began testing positive They did so in an environment of hysteria and panic and massively reduced standards of care in the hospital and nursing home sectors.
00:14:52.000It's commonly understood in the circles of discourse that you and I presumably both inhabit, although you with more eloquence and understanding than I, that the PCR test itself has been invalidated even by its creator, who has said it was never designed to be used in the manner that it was deployed During this period and that the rate of either, I don't know, amplification, acceleration or magnification rendered its results redundant and ultimately irrelevant.
00:15:28.000But beyond the... So you're saying that essentially people started testing for something, like if we started testing for freckles tomorrow, we'd say there's a freckle pandemic.
00:16:21.000But so you're saying that this, and I've heard this idea before, like, you know, that when people say that the vaccines were patented ages ago and that people were running test pandemic events, you know, in 2016 or whatever, does your conclusion that there was no pandemic align with that idea
00:16:42.000that this is so that the COVID has been in the population for ages 10 years
00:16:47.0005 years 20 years whatever and they just started testing for it and
00:16:50.000yeah and all those other points I made. Yeah I mean you know if you look at virology
00:16:56.000prior to 2020 people are very clear that these these the people who
00:17:00.000believe in the whole theory of virology at least are very clear that there are
00:17:04.000swarms of these things and they co-evolve in a very complex kind of fashion.
00:17:10.000So this whole idea that there's a single sequence that races around the world is false.
00:17:14.000There's what's called a consensus sequence, which is the perceived average across a whole swarm of these things.
00:17:22.000And there's a lot of controversy around whether these things spread in an intact and robust way, whether they can indeed travel around the world or even outside of your neighborhood.
00:17:34.000The thing that's been astonishing for me is just in the face of the great complexity of the human body and its interaction with viral particles, how many of these virologists are simply prepared to make massive claims?
00:17:52.000It's kind of like they have a just-so story that they pass down the generations of academics and virology departments.
00:18:00.000Yeah, I'm not sure, you know, which one of the versions of those stories is better than the next.
00:18:05.000But certainly when you look at their own work prior to 2020, they never talk in terms of a single stable variant that suddenly spreads to all corners of the planet.
00:18:18.000So yeah, I kind of am very much not at all inclined to go along with any elements of the narrative of a spreading pathogen having caused harm in the human population from 2020 on.
00:18:32.000I mean, so in a sense, what you're saying is about, in a way, taxonomies and semantics that even to say like with any virus, not just COVID, you would have to say, well, actually, this thing is evolving so rapidly that to refer to it as a sort of a single object is reductive.
00:18:53.000But will you help me to understand this?
00:18:55.000Like this will be sort of, you know, because you're so Ardent and informed in your position, it means that I can really get into some lovely devil's advocate stuff.
00:19:06.000And who better to advocate for than Satan?
00:19:09.000I was just wondering, like, you know, like, you know, magic, like when I cast my mind back, it's the pandemic period.
00:19:17.000I'm watching the BBC or I'm watching MSNBC, but because I'm British, I stick with the BBC, even though the majority of our audience are American.
00:19:24.000I would say Like, you know, I'm watching footage of like, you know, a sort of a plucky junior doctor and some nurses, you know, like salt of the earth.
00:19:36.000The people that, and I mean this with all sincerity, people that work in industries and areas of our society that should be heralded, applauded, adored, celebrated.
00:19:46.000I mean, there's no word that I won't use to garland these individuals.
00:19:52.000And you see them like, You know, in our intensive care unit, it's full up of people on ventilators.
00:20:10.000Nick, what were they experiencing in those hospitals?
00:20:12.000Although I will add to this, I do remember in my country, for example, they built something, as I recall, they built a Florence Nightingale hospital that was there to treat like thousands of people, and then it was just never mentioned again.
00:20:26.000Yeah, look, I mean, if you put a healthy person on a ventilator or on high flow oxygen for a long time, they're going to drop like flies, right?
00:20:37.000So, yeah, you can believe that part of the story.
00:20:40.000And at the same time, the propaganda is driving in the direction of the frontline doctors, the brave people we have to bang our pots and pans for, even though the data was telling us that any doctor under normal retirement age, in vague health, able to work, is not at risk, you know.
00:20:58.000So, what we were in essence dealing with, I think, was there's a lot of signs that the early Phenomena that we witnessed in Northern Italy, New York City, and later on in the year in Cape Town, in the Western Cape of South Africa, that those events were staged.
00:21:19.000We can't get anybody to tell us where the actual death certificates are and to explain to us how New York City suddenly jumped to 7.5 times its normal rate of mortality when, meanwhile, that happened nowhere else on the planet.
00:21:37.000What was different about New York City?
00:21:39.000Well, it looks to us, and I must tip my hat in the direction of the researcher Jessica Hockett, who's done some amazing work on New York City, it looks to me Like a completely staged phenomenon.
00:21:53.000And it was those events that all the television cameras went in on and which was so important in driving this narrative that there was an outbreak of a novel deadly virus.
00:22:29.000So this is not to call them all conspiracy theorists or something like that.
00:22:32.000You know, I think it's important to add that.
00:22:35.000Because I wonder if ever in human history there has ever been such an extraordinary gambit, such an astonishing coup, where reality itself has been warped on an unprecedented scale, where everyone would say between 2019 and 2022 there was a pandemic period, we were locked in our homes.
00:22:55.000Pfizer-Moderna et al came up with a vaccine and whilst we initially thought it was effective against transmission and reduced hospitalisation, the data now is a little harder to read, but there's no question people say on the legacy media all the time, I've had them say it to my face, that the vaccine saved lives, people will say.
00:23:19.000But what your Offering us is, in a sense, a kind of a wave of hysteria now passed across the planet, engineered by engineered by a sort of collaborative globalist interests, NGOs that I'm assuming that the World Health Organization and its
00:23:38.000Rather unique and unusual funding model are involved that the media have participated in this and even the gosh well-intentioned dupes like at the ground level, people that are participating in medicine, they must now surely have some eerie sense that something wasn't right, that the data doesn't make sense.
00:24:00.000I'll tell you something that you probably already know, but it's really bugged me since I found out about it.
00:24:05.000In our country, Britain, they just changed the way they calculate excess deaths because excess deaths was too high.
00:24:12.000So they went, oh, you were just changing the way we calculate excess deaths to make the number more manageable.
00:24:19.000Now, my next question, the question I've been sort of leading to for a couple of minutes now is if indeed something of such an extraordinary nature has been undertaken, I would like Yeah, I think there are diverse motives involved.
00:24:38.000The desire to control other human beings is a story as old as time, and I think that's a significant portion of this.
00:24:46.000I mean, the United Nations, of which the World Health Organization is but one arm, is pretty accurately described as an organization that seeks to call about a world in which it controls decisions, political decisions, on a global basis.
00:25:16.000I think pharmaceutical firms want to make money.
00:25:19.000So if the control agenda around, you know, pandemic preparedness and viral surveillance and so on is one that the UN is going to get excited about, then well, they'll get excited too, because they can make loads of money out of that story.
00:25:35.000And then there are ideologically motivated people, centralists, people who are dumb enough to believe that, you know, complex systems can be usefully managed from On high.
00:25:48.000And all of those people become traveling wayfarers in pursuit of making many of these measures that we saw undertaken permanent features of our landscape.
00:26:04.000But to answer your question about, have we seen anything like this in history?
00:26:09.000I think we're living with a couple of them actually.
00:26:11.000That was an awakening for me, and I think for many people, is that there are at least two other major ones underway at the same time.
00:26:21.000The one is this whole modern monetary approach to running our monetary systems, which is basically a kind of theft with a fig leaf on it.
00:26:36.000And that's happening at an enormous scale that's really underappreciated.
00:26:40.000And the other one is, of course, the whole net-zero carbon paranoia story, which is, again, just scientific mumbo-jumbo.
00:26:49.000You know, this idea that these scientists, these amazing scientists, have modeled the entirety of the Earth's climate and they can predict it out for the next hundred years.
00:26:56.000And no, it's not the case that we're simply emerging from a little ice age.
00:27:01.000It's this one atom, the atom to kill them all sort of thing.
00:27:10.000There are an interesting convergence of interests at play and as the American Comedian George Carlin said, when interests converge, no conspiracy is necessary.
00:27:28.000And from relatively early in this process, though, I was obviously like many people, probably not including yourself due to the skill set that you announced when telling us your credentials.
00:27:41.000Um, you know, like autodidact that I am, I was picking through, hold on, that doesn't make sense.
00:28:11.000A lot of people regard it, of course, as a staged event.
00:28:15.000A lot of people, and I suppose this might play into your skill set, in particular as an actuary, that it's becoming understood now that modelling was used and presented as science.
00:28:29.000And that's perhaps how there was the bypassing of the kind of patterns that you would usually look for in a pandemic, like what you said, clusters and ripples and stuff.
00:28:38.000So can you, like, do you, do you feel that when people were saying, you know, were presenting us with graphs, this many people are going to die, this many people are going to like, you know, all of those figures, and then almost the bizarre inversion since then, you know, people were being, you know, these people died of COVID when they fell downstairs, these people died of COVID when they died in a car crash, you know, like, and since then people, like, excess deaths have been sort of mitigated, but extraordinarily, I'm sure you're familiar with Pierre Couric, The insurance companies are having to change the way they charge premiums.
00:29:17.000So can you point to some of the sort of major, firstly, some of the major tools for ensuring that we bought into this reality and the major tools that help us to understand That the reality was false.
00:29:38.000I mean, the type of modeling that was used to produce these very inflated predictions at a country level is really not even appropriately used at a country level.
00:30:02.000And that's appropriate at the level of something like a herd of cattle, right?
00:30:07.000Or maybe you could say children in one school.
00:30:11.000But it's certainly not an appropriate assumption for the whole country.
00:30:15.000So, you know, the very axiomatic underpinnings of these models are invalidated by the nature of the applications that we're using.
00:30:25.000And my experience, I mean I hate to sound arrogant about this, but in general there's just very low quality intellects manning those models.
00:30:34.000You know, they don't even understand what the assumptions are and what they mean and what the limitations of those assumptions would be.
00:30:41.000So we took aim at those models very early on.
00:30:42.000We tossed out that whole class of modeling and used a A much simpler approach called empirical modeling where you're actually looking at what's happening and just use those empirical models to predict when those other SIR models would fail.
00:30:56.000And we did that very accurately and it upset those models a lot.
00:30:59.000But there was another more insidious way in which the models were used.
00:31:07.000Yeah, I kick myself when I think about them because it didn't strike me at the time.
00:31:11.000But how did the world suddenly become capable of tracking every case and death in every single country from a single disease that is very hard to distinguish from a whole lot of other diseases?
00:31:22.000You know, when the World Health Organization tracks diseases around the world, it takes years for them to put out the reports.
00:31:28.000And yet suddenly we have this ability to pump out the reports on the day.
00:31:32.000Well, of course, we didn't have that ability.
00:31:34.000And of course, what was happening is that we're using models to drive substantial portions of those dashboards.
00:31:40.000So the data that was ticking up on our screens and driving the fear wasn't actually emanating entirely from the real world, but also from completely fabricated models.
00:31:52.000And in a very funny twist of fate, we actually found the GitHub sites where these guys were practicing using models for that purpose, for faking real-world data.
00:32:07.000And they use the same class of models, incidentally, SRR models.
00:32:11.000So it all gets rather creepy rather fast, and when you open your eyes to the depth and breadth of the frauds here, it does cause people to glitch.
00:32:21.000I mean, you asked the question at the beginning of this, you know, your last interview there, you said, you know, people are saying this whole thing was staged and there was, was there a conspiracy?
00:32:32.000My day job, when I'm not trying to lead the fight against the globalists, my day job is
00:33:01.000People are in a competitive space and they're trying to have asymmetric information to steal a march on a competitor or to make a customer believe that their product is better than it really is.
00:33:25.000And there clearly are elements of conspiracy riddled.
00:33:30.000They absolutely riddle the coronavirus landscape.
00:33:33.000And this whole sort of epithet of woo-woo conspiracy theorist is actually, you know, that's the people who use that as a slur are very divorced from reality.
00:33:48.000So, in a sense, this area of conversation is just one component of a broader purview.
00:33:59.000Before we park it, if I may be so bold, I wonder if you feel that the WHO treaty that's currently being proposed is an attempt to redress and nullify the opponents of the A plan that was enacted previously, in so much as it includes, we want the ability to vaccinate entire populations and bypass national sovereignty.
00:34:30.000We want the ability to determine what constitutes a pandemic.
00:34:35.000Do you agree that that's what this WHO treaty is for?
00:34:38.000And if it is, What is the nature of this organisation, the WHO, and how does its power relate to some of the emergent villains of this period?
00:34:50.000Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates, some of the big names that emerged during this period.
00:34:59.000So I do agree with you that that's what is going on with the treaty.
00:35:04.000The relationships are complex and people tend to oversimplify them.
00:35:07.000I've heard people say that Bill Gates funds the World Health Organization, that China funds the World Health Organization, that Germany funds the World Health Organization.
00:35:46.000And that was a repeat with all the same things.
00:35:48.000They wanted to come out with a new vaccine and vaccine mandates and do all of those things, but they kind of got caught out.
00:35:54.000They weren't practiced enough at that stage.
00:35:56.000So this is sort of a repeat attempt, and this time they were a lot better.
00:36:02.000They'd learned their lessons along the way.
00:36:05.000Yeah, so I mean, what are we really talking about?
00:36:09.000It's an organization hell-bent on taking a highly centralized approach to a complex phenomenon.
00:36:17.000And it also fits into a very important pattern.
00:36:20.000I think it's the most important pattern to understand in the world.
00:36:24.000And that is the simple three-part pattern of global crisis, Presented as only admitting global solutions and under conditions of censorship of dissenting voices.
00:36:40.000So the claim of a global crisis, the claim that it only can be addressed by global solutions, and that we need to censor everybody who disagrees.
00:36:49.000If you've got those three things in place, you're dealing with a scam 100% all of the time.
00:36:54.000And that is a feature of the coronavirus story, quite clearly, and of this whole pandemic preparedness story, which is nonsense from beginning to end.
00:37:05.000And it's a feature of the whole climate crisis story.
00:37:09.000As soon as we have those things, we are dealing with a scam, and the perpetrators of those scams are invariably people who believe in their own ability to lord it over all of us from the center of the universe, in the ability of clever people like them to control complex systems using spreadsheets.
00:37:29.000Do you think it's interesting that And the figures that are, let's put it even delicately, on the margins of our culture, even precursors to the kind of online pundits that have become more common due to the emergence and accessibility of the technology.
00:37:54.000Maybe you would say like figures like David Icke, Alex Jones, who were like 10, 15 years ago saying, There will be global events that will be used to legitimise centralised authoritarianism.
00:38:07.000They want us all to, they want to implement social credit score like measures.
00:38:12.000What do we do with that when some of the people that are kind of really derided by what you might call the legacy media rationalists and certainly amidst their output, and I often consider both Ike and Alex Jones to be more like shaman than In a sense, our culture has evolved to the point where those kind of voices are, by their nature, marginalised.
00:38:40.000There's no room for people that sort of speak, I don't know, metaphysically, somewhat mystically.
00:38:47.000The point I'm trying to make is, they were saying that for some time there would be events of this nature.
00:38:52.000And I was reminded of that fact, by the way, when you said global event shuts down dissent.
00:38:57.000You know, I mean, does it apply to escalating geopolitical crises that are unpopular?
00:39:02.000That if there were indeed, if there were decentralised councils, subsidiarities, Soviets, syndicates, call it what you will, federalisation, that is very unlikely that people would vote to continue wars in the Middle East.
00:39:20.000Vote to continue to fund Ukraine-Russia.
00:40:50.000But also not to go too far down each and every rabbit hole, just to understand that we're living in a chaotic and turbulent time where there's vast tracts of utterly false propaganda out there.
00:41:04.000Sorry, just remind me, give me a hook for your second part of your question, you were asking about whether Well, to comment on what you just said, it's always helpful when there is verifiable ideas that you can corroborate.
00:41:20.000I can see, looking at this data, that they used modelling to amplify the threat.
00:41:25.000I can see now that they claimed that they developed a vaccine in record time, and so how would they know what the side effects would be over five or ten years?
00:41:38.000So, and then what I said was, additionally Nick, was do you feel that the reason that centralised authoritarianism is because precisely the opposite is being, there's an inertia towards it?
00:41:54.000Look, that's exactly where the tension is.
00:41:56.000And I've been talking as many times as I possibly can about the importance of understanding what a problem centralization is.
00:42:07.000Because we're not taught this in schools.
00:42:10.000This used to be taught in economics departments and people understood it, I think, a great deal more 50 years ago than they do now.
00:42:19.000But the important thing about centralization is that it is incompatible with progress.
00:42:24.000You cannot have an authoritarian system and expect to see the knowledge growth, which is the only driver of an improvement in living standards and of economic growth, of what people like to call progress.
00:42:38.000And the reason for this is that in the face of complexity, the only way that we can navigate this is the world.
00:42:45.000We can't go and design our solutions from on high using complicated models, etc., etc.
00:42:59.000And that's where you get the idea of a distributed system coming up with solutions that are better than a highly centralized system.
00:43:09.000And so there are a couple of things going on here.
00:43:11.000You can't centralize without censorship.
00:43:13.000You can't centralize without authoritarianism.
00:43:16.000Centralization requires the suppression of dissent and it entails the suppression of knowledge growth and of economic growth and of human flourishing.
00:43:27.000Now some people think that's a good idea.
00:43:29.000They have, for example, an ethic of wanting to protect the planet and regarding humans as kind of a kind of pathetic scum on its otherwise beautiful surface.
00:43:43.000I think the human brain is the most remarkable entity in the universe and that a human individual enjoys sanctity and needs to be protected from authoritarians and has rights over the planet and the universe and all the inanimate objects.
00:44:00.000That's where my belief system is, but there are people who believe exactly the opposite, and that is the war at the moment.
00:44:07.000There would be centralizers who want to control, who want to give rise to a kind of Malthusian utopia in their minds, this world where we stop increasing how much we consume and how much energy we utilize and so on, and where the story is told in terms of degrowth and rationing.
00:44:31.000And then there are people like me who believe that there is no end to the powers of curiosity and human ingenuity and how the best way to see a flourishing world come about is to drive in the direction of decentralization and distribution of power.
00:44:52.000You might think I seem caffeinated enough.
00:45:10.000Let me ask you first, are you a Sleepy Joe type character with zero cognitive performance struggling to muster focus and brainpower for basic things like running the United States of America?
00:45:19.000You've got to stop drinking woke liberal coffee that hates you and your way of life and start your day by drinking Rumble's very own 1775 coffee.
00:45:29.000This is going to be the best tasting coffee you've ever had.
00:45:43.000Instead of waking up and drinking your big corporation-owned woke ideology coffee that's probably making you sick from the pesticides it's sprayed with, try Rumbles.
00:46:34.000You look like Marlon Brando in the Between Mutiny on the Bounty and Last Tango in Paris era, which is an overlooked aspect of ripening Brando.
00:46:47.000We've been sent a few assets from our community That I just wanted to draw your attention to.
00:46:53.000I have to ensure that they are legitimate.
00:46:56.000One is a Bill Gates post that someone has highlighted.
00:47:00.000Let me know in the chat who it was that posted this.
00:47:33.000So, I mean, there was foreknowledge, there was planning.
00:47:37.000A very interesting thing to study is the timeline of January 2020.
00:47:43.000I mean, when you actually lay it all out, what happened in these 30 days, the supposed volume of science that was conducted after an eye doctor spotted an unusual pneumonia in Wuhan on the 30th of December 2019, you know, this eye doctor, yeah, he suddenly diagnosed as an unusual pneumonia.
00:48:02.000And from there, there's this 30-day zip line through the world of medical science that drops out the PCR tests, the sequencing of the virus, the characterization of the illness, this finding that there was deadly asymptomatic transmission, and all of this stuff suddenly materializes in 30 days.
00:48:53.000Oh cool, so this is an antigen test kit asset. Is this a legit asset?
00:49:03.000Does it make sense according to your expertise?
00:49:05.000Because I'm just pulling these things.
00:49:06.000This is content provided by our Awake and Wonder community.
00:49:09.000So I just want to make sure that, you know, who knows what kind of lunatics are in there, for God's sake.
00:49:16.000Just look at those numbers, of course.
00:49:18.000And there's this idea that, oh, it's some kind of Environmental competition, but we can invalidate that very easily because flu even disappeared from places where there was no COVID.
00:49:30.000So something was going on, somebody was gaming the testing system for flu, or people simply were stopped testing for it or something like that.
00:49:38.000Or the entire story of influenza is itself riddled with bad science and contradictions.
00:49:44.000But yeah, your viewer who flags that as a very suspicious story is, I believe, correct.
00:49:52.000I also wonder, you know there was a moment where they said that, you know, they couldn't allow vaccines to be manufactured in various African nations because of pattern in laws and also just because they wouldn't be able.
00:50:08.000Somewhat racistly they seem to imply that in Africa, where you're obviously from, they wouldn't be able to make the vaccines for one reason or another.
00:50:18.000I wonder if there's data available now Presumably there were lower vaccination rates in those nations.
00:50:23.000I wonder if there's any interesting data as a result of that?
00:50:27.000Yeah, well, I mean, there's a lot of interesting data, but it's very hard to get clean data that's honestly collected and that isn't in some way misrepresented by researchers who are ultimately funded by pharmaceutical companies.
00:50:41.000But I'll just give you a little simple data point here.
00:50:44.000In South Africa, there was very low vaccine take-up.
00:50:47.000About 30% of the population had Either one dose of J&J or two of Pfizer.
00:50:54.000But when the booster shot came around, I'm talking about the first booster, I think the uptake rate was like one and a half percent.
00:51:01.000So the population voted with their feet.
00:51:03.000They realized that something was wrong.
00:51:06.000Now, according to the claims of the media and the pharmaceutical companies, that should have led to there being vast mass death in South Africa because 70% of the population remained unvaccinated.
00:51:39.000It stopped because everybody stopped going bananas and putting numbers up on screens and treating people with chest infections in stupid ways, in deadly ways.
00:51:52.000Yeah, I don't think too much more needs to be said.
00:51:56.000I mean the vaccines were a scientific fraud by the standards of Pfizer's own Phase 3 trials.
00:52:05.000The vaccines increased your likelihood of dying, increased your likelihood of hospitalization, increased your likelihood of serious illness, and increased your likelihood of COVID symptoms.
00:52:14.000The only thing they did was for a very small number, that was very biased in its selection, they stopped.
00:52:23.000They reduced the likelihood of COVID symptoms in conjunction with the PCR test.
00:52:29.000Now that is of no good to man or beast, so that's a scientific fraud right there.
00:52:33.000And that was the whole basis of this 95% efficacy claim.
00:52:37.000So I just don't see how any person with a modicum of common sense can perpetuate this idea that the vaccines were at all effective as a therapy.
00:52:46.000The real question is simply how dangerous they were.
00:52:49.000And there I think I'm somewhere in the middle of the spectrum.
00:52:52.000They have definitely caused a lot of harm because they were rolled out on such vast scale to people who really didn't need them for the most part.
00:53:03.000It's caused some harm, but I don't think it's going to cause the harms on the scale that people like Zelenko and Geert van der Bosch have predicted that billions of people would die from them and so on.
00:53:14.000Do you think that dissent and dissidence emerging from independent media figures like Jay Bhattacharya, Peter McCulloch, obviously, People that were like Robert Malone, that were on Joe Rogan.
00:53:32.000Do you think that that intervened, interrupted and disrupted what may have otherwise happened?
00:53:40.000Were those voices extracted or otherwise silenced?
00:53:46.000Look, those ones you name all came rather too late, with the exception, I think, of Bhattacharya and Kulldorff and Gupta, who objected to the lockdowns.
00:53:58.000And I think, I mean, I should just, in the interest of full disclosure, I get a lot of bad press amongst several of the names you just mentioned, because they're fundamentally, for the most part, they believe there was this pandemic and you needed early treatments, you know, and And if you didn't do the early treatments millions of people would die and so on.
00:54:20.000I just don't go along with that version of the world.
00:54:22.000They know it and it puts us to an extent at loggerheads.
00:54:26.000I'm happy with diversity of opinion and disagreement.
00:54:33.000But what a lot of those people end up doing is blocking me and doing the same censorship that they complain about.
00:54:40.000So I'm not too sure that we or they stopped anything of significance.
00:54:49.000The vaccines had gone into billions of people's arms and almost everybody on the planet had Sorry, almost everybody in a Western country had bought into this false notion that there was a novel deadly virus that they needed to be protected from, and that there will be more pandemics in future.
00:55:09.000So the victory, I think, has been achieved.
00:55:12.000The purpose here was to drive home The need for pandemic preparedness, for vast budgets of tens of billions of dollars a year used in viral surveillance and stockpiling of crazy medicines and increasing vaccine manufacturing capacity and all this kind of thing.
00:57:00.000There's a wonderful community that's distilled all around the world.
00:57:03.000of critical thinkers with incredible lateral thinking ability who see the world clearly and who help each other peel the scales from their eyes, you know, when it comes to the other narratives that they might have bought into.
00:57:16.000So I think it's a particularly exciting time to be alive.
00:57:49.000They predict climate change in the far future based on one parameter, CO2 concentration.
00:57:59.000By the way, the RPCC and all of the models there, they don't think that those changes are sufficient to produce climate change and climate crisis in the here and now, but that doesn't matter because the media are going to pretend that they do.
00:58:14.000And they're going to tell you that every time there's hot weather somewhere or a freak storm or whatever, that that's climate crisis.
00:58:20.000And yeah, it seems to me very much the case that this is the Malthusian tonic of the current moment.
00:58:28.000The thing that's being used to stop African countries from expanding their power grids.
00:58:34.000So here in South Africa, we've been knocked off the project for decades now of building a nuclear power plant, which is the thing that would unlock the potential of this country.
01:00:06.000But thank you, Nick Hudson, for articulating it so beautifully and including a love of nature, participation in nature, acknowledgement of our integral relationship with nature as part of this conversation.
01:00:18.000But to observe, too, how whenever these arguments are mobilised, it is always too It always legitimises further centralisation of authority.
01:00:57.000It's not often that I speak to someone and think, oh, yeah, you know, this guy's he's further into the edge lands than I thought I'd be willing to venture.
01:01:09.000Thanks for undertaking that journey with me.