In this episode of RUMBLE, I explain why I decided to go live at 3:00am on the Twitterspace, and why it's a good day to stay awake because I don't sleep. I also discuss the benefits of sleeping less and why you should train more to make up for the lack of sleep you get when you don't get enough rest. And I have a chat with Ollie from Liverpool, who wants to join the real world, but is also considering joining the Marine Corps. Do you think it's possible to put effort into both? Do you agree or disagree with my opinion on this? Tweet me and let me know your thoughts, opinions or thoughts on this in the comments section below! Timestamps: 3:30am - Why do you need to sleep less? 6:00 am - How much sleep should you get? 9:00pm - Should you train more or sleep more? 11:00 pm - Why you should you sleep less if you don t sleep enough? 12:30 am - What do you do when you're not getting enough sleep? 15:00 - Is it possible to do more than 1 hour of sleep per day? 16:30 - How do you get enough sleep to be productive? 17:30pm - What are you going to do to keep up with your training? 18:00 PM - Is there a balance between sleep and getting enough rest? 19:30 pm - Is sleep more important than getting more sleep than you get more rest than you need it? 21:00 22: Should you sleep more than you're getting enough hours? 24:00? 25:00 + 26:30 27:00 | 27:30 | Sleep less than you can be more awake? 26:00 / 28:00/30? 29:00 Is there enough time to do it all the time you need? 30:00 Do you need a good night s ? 31:30 / 32:00 & 33:00 Can you be more productive 35:00 Good morning? 36:00 Should you get 7 hours of sleep more or less than that? 37:00?? 38:00 More? 39,35 39:30/36? 40,35? 41,40 36,5 45
02:00:48.000That's very, very good. So I'm going to explain what I'm going to be doing tonight.
02:00:54.000I've graciously been invited onto a Twitter space.
02:01:00.000And seeing as I'm going to be on a Twitter space anyway, I thought, why not broadcast the conversation here on Rumble?
02:01:06.000That way, when I'm not speaking, I can give a bit of thoughts, a bit of insight into what I think is going on and my opinions on things.
02:01:13.000But I will be very actively involved in the Twitter space, hopefully.
02:01:17.000It's Mario Nafal interviewing the one and only Tucker Carlson.
02:01:21.000So this may be a case where they ask me to chime in every 5, 10 minutes.
02:01:26.000This may be a case where it's every 20, 25 minutes.
02:01:28.000I may only say three or four things in the entire hour or two hours.
02:01:32.000These guys are going to be in the space.
02:01:33.000So what I'm going to do is I'm going to smoke this massive cigar and I'm going to listen to the Twitter space.
02:01:42.000So I've got my phone here set up, ready to go live.
02:01:45.000This microphone pointing down at it, the double microphone technique.
02:01:50.000And essentially, that is going to be tonight's cigar night.
02:01:59.000Yusuf, we're getting good numbers at this time of night.
02:02:03.000See, usually the numbers are lower because usually I like to broadcast when it's convenient for me and when everyone else is asleep because I don't care that much about you all seeing me live as long as you see it eventually.
02:03:16.000I want to join the real world, but I'm also joining the Marines.
02:03:18.000Do you think it's possible to put effort into both?
02:03:21.000Yes, I do. I know people, Andy, who work multiple jobs, who are in the armed services, who are running businesses and running companies, who find time to learn from the lessons inside of the real world.
02:03:35.000In fact, if you go on my X page, there was an interview with a gentleman who was serving in Afghanistan before the pullout, and he started making $10,000 to $15,000 a month using just the resources inside the real world from Afghanistan on his cell phone.
02:03:55.000And if you are an exceptionally busy person, as I am, you could take the talisman Tate advice of being productive and finding time to get everything you need to do done, which is sleep less.
02:04:08.000People, it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but it isn't.
02:04:11.000People are sleeping eight or nine hours a day, and they say, oh, I don't have time to go to the gym.
02:04:14.000Sleep seven hours a day. Train that extra hour and the additional energy that you get from doing the actual training and being in better shape will compensate for the lack of sleep.
02:04:23.000Sleep less, especially if you're young.
02:04:25.000If you're old, you might need a little bit more, but if you're young, sleep less.
02:04:30.000Tate, what do I have to do for you to follow me on X? I will do anything.
02:05:41.000If you're running in a race, you're running in a marathon, and you're running with a pack of people, five or six people, and you're going one or two miles an hour faster than everybody else, within no time, you're going to look around, and you're not going to see them anymore.
02:05:52.000Don't let them slow you down, or don't let them...
02:05:55.000Don't follow their advice and run at their pace.
02:05:57.000Don't do drugs. Don't get invested in pornography or anything stupid or any bad habits.
02:06:02.000Don't drink too much, and if they can keep up, and if they truly are your friends, if they really are people who you should be hanging around with, then you're going to find yourself sitting in that five-star hotel in Switzerland, surrounded by these exact same people drinking gold-plated cappuccinos.
02:06:20.000And yes, gold-plated cappuccinos are a thing.
02:06:22.000If you didn't know that, then you're not living right.
02:06:25.000So, there used to be photos of me on Instagram with gold-plated cappuccinos, actually, but...
02:10:41.000I mean, if you are a rich, successful, in shape, fit dude and you have some down time, then by all means paint your little figurines and play on the board.
02:10:53.000But that isn't the typical demographic of the Warhammer 40k player.
02:11:00.000Sometimes I read books and I find certain things entertaining that aren't actually a productive use of my time.
02:11:05.000But I've invested all my other time in becoming so successful and smart and fit that if I want to sit and read a book, a fictional book, for example, for entertainment, I can do that.
02:11:17.000Yeah, if you are jacked and, you know, smart and fit and sharp and rich and all that stuff and you want to play Warhammer 40k in your spare time, by all means do that.
02:12:08.000You need to let it go in and of yourself.
02:12:11.000The man's dead. You can't forgive him.
02:12:13.000And you can't get mad at him and you can't shout at him and you can't scream at him and you can't tell him off.
02:12:18.000So take what lessons you learn from him, whether they be good or bad, and move forward with your life.
02:12:23.000I feel like if he left your family when you were six and things didn't work out well for you, maybe you can take him as an example of both the good things he's done in terms of what kind of father he was in a positive way and also what kind of father he was in a negative way and you can strive to not be like that with your own kids.
02:12:40.000But in terms of forgiving him, he doesn't give a shit wherever he is right now.
02:12:46.000I have a great idea and it takes lots of capital to invest.
02:12:59.000Time is urgent. How would you fund it if you had zero right now?
02:13:04.000If I had zero right now, I wouldn't come up with ideas that take millions of dollars to launch.
02:13:11.000You know, that doesn't really make any sense.
02:13:14.000It's like planning on running a marathon when you're 500 pounds overweight.
02:13:18.000There's a lot of smaller things that you need to do first.
02:13:21.000There's a certain level you need to get to first before you start looking at that kind of at that kind of venture.
02:13:31.000Okay, I'm just waiting for Mario's link and I will be joining in one minute.
02:13:38.000Any more super chats get them to me now while they're good Here on Twitter Please Now what I want all of you to do is go and follow on X first of all Tucker Carlson Second of all, Mario Nolfal.
02:14:13.000I apologize, Mario, if you're watching this, if you're listening to this.
02:14:17.000But please go and follow these gentlemen.
02:14:18.000What Mario is doing is he's really, really, I'd say, utilizing the tool that has Twitter spaces to its absolute full potential.
02:14:26.000Very often, there are great features and things in the world that are useful to content creators and broadcasters that are not fully utilized.
02:14:35.000Thanks to Mario, I feel like this service is being absolutely fully utilized.
02:14:40.000My brother, just a couple of days ago, was speaking with Elon Musk, Vivek Ramaswani, who, of course, is a Republican presidential candidate, and Alex Jones and a lot of other notable individuals.
02:14:51.000Today, he's going to be having a discussion with Tucker Carlson, which he's politely invited me to join.
02:14:57.000I still have not received the invitation, but it should be arriving any minute now.
02:15:01.000but um it's going to be it's going to be very interesting and hasn't started yet it.
02:15:18.000See if there's a few more Super Chats to get through before we begin.
02:15:23.000And as I said, this conversation is going to be very interesting.
02:15:26.000Everything, I think, every show that Tucker Carlson does and everything that he's a part of, I find incredibly interesting.
02:15:32.000There isn't a single episode of Tucker Carlson on X that I have missed so far.
02:15:38.000I've seen every single one. Absolutely fantastic guy.
02:15:42.000Obviously, I'm on one of the episodes as well.
02:15:44.000He came here to my house and interviewed me when I recently got out of jail.
02:15:48.000And I'm super looking forward to hearing what he has to say tonight.
02:15:52.000So a lot of tonight, if you're watching here on Rumble, keep in mind that although you will hear the conversation, I'm going to be sitting here smoking a cigar, drinking Red Bull in silence for a lot of it.
02:21:42.000So, Tucker, that would be breaking news that you would be able to publish at the Tucker Carlson Network.
02:21:46.000Can you please tell everyone about the Tucker Carlson Network?
02:21:51.000Well, basically it started on Axe. So I got, you know, unemployed again, not for the first time in April. And I'm sort of, you know, I'm not that old. And I have a lot of opinions. And I was sort of wondering what to do. And about an hour after that happened, Elon called me and said, you know, you should just bring the whole operation to Axe. Not for pay, but just, you know, use it like anyone else would, you know, with the
02:22:20.000guarantee that he's made to everyone that this is not going to be governed by censorship and you can say what you think.
02:22:26.000As long as you're not committing a crime.
02:22:57.000But it dawned on us at a certain point that, you know, if you're gonna hire a bunch of people, and we brought almost everybody from our show at Fox along, so they're all still here.
02:23:08.000I'm working with the same people I've worked with for years.
02:25:05.000I mean, not to sound pompous, but just like intellectually, just to think about stuff and see stuff and what is going on exactly.
02:25:11.000You know, there are a thousand things happening at once, big things, history changing things, and how are they all connected to each other?
02:25:17.000Anyway, just having a chance to continue to learn and to post some of what we find on X and have people see it, you know, it's just been amazing.
02:25:26.000I've loved it. So Elon Musk is suffering himself a bit of a advertiser boycott.
02:25:34.000And they're trying to use the same tactics that they used with you multiple times on multiple shows to cancel X and to cancel the entire platform.
02:25:41.000Elon Musk famously said, go fuck yourself to Bob Iger live.
02:25:46.000And that was really a watershed moment.
02:25:50.000What's your take on that moment as the man who actually originated the GFY when we've all seen the clip?
02:25:58.000You said, media matters, go fuck yourself.
02:26:01.000I think while you were preparing for a show, your thoughts on that, Elon Musk paraphrasing you, your thoughts on the cancellation tactics of trying to cancel X platform.
02:26:11.000That media matters clip, that was, they stole that from our internal feed and put it up like it would somehow discredit me.
02:26:17.000I thought it was hilarious. What do I think of what's going on with X? I'll tell you exactly what I think.
02:26:23.000Like you get the flu or get Corona or you get, you know, or any kind of physical ailment and you're in agony and you think to yourself, why didn't I appreciate every single day where I felt good?
02:27:42.000I hope everything good lasts forever, but often it doesn't.
02:27:45.000And so we should be really, really grateful to be living in this super cool historical moment where this billionaire decides, hey, I like free speech.
02:27:55.000I'm going to make it possible for people I've never met.
02:27:57.000Like, who does that? Well, he did that.
02:27:59.000Whatever you think of Elon, and maybe you disagree with this or disagree with that or whatever you think of the guy, he did indisputably do that.
02:28:07.000And it's kind of without parallel in history.
02:28:10.000Like, who's ever done anything like that?
02:28:13.000I mean it. So they're obviously going to see X as a platform.
02:28:18.000They're going to try and take X offline and metaphorically assassinate X. You've spoken at length in multiple situations about how you think that we are speeding towards assassination potentially for Donald Trump in his candidacy because equally Donald Trump speaks hard truths that are uncomfortable for people and also Donald Trump is a threat to the existing system.
02:28:43.000Do you really believe that we are on our way to a physical assassination attempt?
02:28:47.000Well, I don't know what we're on the way to, but we're certainly on the way to something.
02:28:50.000I mean, one of, you know, the great lie that we tell ourselves is that our lives in the world are static.
02:28:55.000They're not. They're always progressing towards something.
02:28:57.000We don't usually know what it is, but we're always on the road to somewhere.
02:29:01.000And you just sort of have to ask yourself logically, like, what's next?
02:29:04.000I mean, the amount of energy and money and time and public attention, all of which are precious commodities, the asshole community has taken to destroy Donald Trump is just astounding.
02:29:14.000I mean, it's honestly like, it's like the moonshot.
02:29:16.000In fact, they've extended more resources on destroying Trump.
02:29:19.000They're going to be asking a bunch of questions to Tucker.
02:29:21.000I'm just going to let it play and smoke my cigar.
02:29:23.000They'll let me know when they're ready for me.
02:29:26.000It didn't work. I mean, when they wanted Bernie Sanders, remember, they kind of seemed to threaten his wife with criminal prosecution.
02:29:32.000Do you remember that? And all of a sudden, Bernie Sanders is on board with everything and he stops whining about the billionaires and he's actually friends with Goldman Sachs now.
02:29:59.000When I'm speaking to you on Rumble, they cannot hear me.
02:30:02.000I mean, again, whatever you think of Trump, you don't have to like Trump or even agree with him to appreciate the remarkable resilience in the face of like every power center in the world opposing him, except for like the presidents of El Salvador and Hungary.
02:30:17.000Everybody's against Trump and he's still standing.
02:30:19.000So that does raise the question like, OK, what next?
02:30:46.000He won't. So, like, what else are they going to do?
02:30:49.000I don't know. I mean, I'm just guessing here.
02:30:51.000But, like, why wouldn't they kill him?
02:30:52.000Seriously. One of the most fascinating shows you ever did was when you spoke to a CIA. You'd have to assume you didn't reveal who you spoke to, but you spoke to a CIA intelligence official.
02:31:07.000who apparently had deep knowledge of the CIA's operation against JFK. So when you say that they're speeding towards Donald Trump's assassination, well, you've actually done the reporting on this the last time a president was assassinated.
02:31:20.000I'm going to the fridge here. And your conclusion, based on your intelligence, was that the CIA was involved in Kennedy's assassination and it's a different country than we know it to be.
02:31:35.000Well, in the specific case, it was last winter and I spoke to someone who had, and this is confirmed, it's not a guess, had read the files that were withheld once again by the current president as they were withheld by the last president at the urging of the CIA directors, two different directors, but same request, don't release these files.
02:31:59.00060 years after, and I asked what's in the files and he said they implicate the CIA. Of course, the whole CIA, it's a huge agency, but the operations directorate under, James Angleton.
02:32:08.000So, so yeah, the CIA, and some of this is sort of dribbled out, but like basically the crazies were right.
02:32:15.000You know, it was not a lone gunman being murdered by a lone gunman.
02:32:18.000That was ridiculous. The Warren Commission was absurd.
02:32:23.000And so, the question is like, what lessons do we draw from that?
02:32:26.000Well, the first lesson is that yes, the U.S. government does and has, I'm not sure, on a daily basis or regularly, but it certainly has killed American citizens without trial or even charges.
02:32:37.000That's a fact. And it's been confirmed to me in a bunch of other cases, not a bunch, but several, including fairly modern ones.
02:32:44.000In fact, it was last year that we learned that Mike Pompeo discussed murdering Julian Assange in London.
02:32:50.000Now, Julian Assange had been charged with no crime in the United States, or by the way, in Great Britain, for that matter, charged with no crime.
02:32:56.000And yet he embarrassed the CIA, so they decided to kill him.
02:32:59.000And this came out. And it was published by Yahoo News.
02:33:03.000And Mike Pompeo's response was not to deny it.
02:33:06.000It was to accuse Yahoo News of breaking confidentiality laws, classification laws, and thereby committing a felony.
02:33:13.000In other words, it's a felony to tell people that I was planning to commit a felony.
02:33:22.000That's like available to anyone with Google.
02:33:25.000And so, you have to ask yourself, like knowing those things, that the elements of the federal government, not the whole federal government, not the Interior Department or whatever, but there are parts of the permanent bureaucracy that are willing to take human human life in order to avoid embarrassment, avoid, you know, having their own crimes revealed, and to stay in the positions that they occupy, which is to stay in power.
02:33:46.000And so, once you know that, I don't know that there's a plot against Trump, but man, I mean, they've used the entire U.S. media, the entire U.S. government to stop this one guy from holding power.
02:34:20.000But, if you're just making a utilitarian calculation, like, hurting one person is better than destroying, you know, your ancient systems, which they have done.
02:34:32.000No one trusts elections, and no one trusts trials.
02:34:34.000No one trusts our chief law enforcement agency, the FBI. No one trusts our chief intelligence gathering agency, the CIA. So, he's done a whole lot of damage in the pursuit of this one man.
02:34:48.000And so, why is it a stretch to think, well, yeah, they just killed a guy?
02:34:52.000Maybe that'll solve the problem. I mean, again, I hope that doesn't happen, but you'd have to be an idiot to think it couldn't.
02:35:00.000Tucker, you were the first one out through the wall.
02:35:04.000With tapes that had not been seen of January 6th.
02:35:09.000If you're speaking about government lies, and you're speaking about half-truths or total fabrications told by the government, it seems like you are utterly vindicated now in your reporting based on the preponderance of evidence.
02:35:22.000I mean, I know, I see that Jacob Chansley is listening in to this live.
02:35:27.000A good example of that is you completely retold the story of Jacob Chansley, right, known as the Maga Shaman, Buffalo Horn.
02:35:34.000You completely flipped the script, broke the narrative on that.
02:35:39.000Your thoughts on, as the man with the first access, the first reporter to see the January 6th tapes, what are your thoughts on the leaks that have been coming out now?
02:35:48.000Well, first, I loved your interview with Chansley, who is just, you know, the people they tell us are the worst are often some of the sweetest and the best, and he's definitely in that category based on your interview with him, I thought.
02:36:26.000Your instincts are not trying to sell you a product or spin you.
02:36:28.000Your instincts are only there to tell you the truth.
02:36:32.000So, if you pay close attention to them, and if you figure out a system for, you know, pointing you in the right direction, my system is really simple.
02:36:40.000Whatever they're hysterical about is something they're lying about, because why are they hysterical?
02:36:52.000But if I start screaming at you and calling you a Nazi when you ask me a question, I'm probably hiding something.
02:36:57.000And that was, the guide I used on the COVID vaccine was getting weird about January 6th.
02:37:03.000I wasn't paying very close attention, to be honest with you.
02:37:05.000And then, within hours, they were telling me it was a white supremacist insurrection, and, like, that's the one thing I knew that it wasn't.
02:37:12.000And so I was like, well, why are they telling me that?
02:38:58.000That Jonah kid and that dumb guy who was his partner or whatever, Hayes, and they're like, oh, we just can't, this is so unbearable, you know.
02:39:07.000And it was like, why are you so mad that I suggested that?
02:39:13.000We can have a reasonable, nope, nope, nope, we're quitting because it's a moral crime that you ask the question.
02:39:17.000As soon as people say it's a moral crime for you to ask the question.
02:39:19.000If you're watching from outside of the United States, please look into the stuff that Tucker is saying.
02:39:23.000A lot of you Americans will know exactly what he's talking about January 6th and what's happening to the people who partook in the protest.
02:39:33.000If you're not American, please do look this up because this is very interesting stuff.
02:39:36.000...what people are hysterical about or what they're trying to hide, the questions you're not allowed to ask.
02:39:40.000And one question that you're not allowed to ask that, again, you were the only person, you were the only person with any platform of sort of national syndication that asked the questions, how did Jeffrey Epstein die?
02:39:55.000And we just saw this week Dick Durbin blocking the subpoena of Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs.
02:40:01.000So once again, you have the foremost predator, the foremost pederast in the world, and there is an entire unified front in Washington trying to stop information getting out about who he was associated with and what he was doing exactly.
02:40:16.000So question, Tucker, who was Jeffrey Epstein?
02:40:22.000And why are some of the most powerful people in the world still trying to protect the world's foremost predator of children?
02:40:30.000Well, those are questions that I don't, strictly speaking, know the answer to.
02:40:33.000A lot of it is speculation. I happen to know someone very well who knew Epstein very, very well.
02:40:39.000And I've talked with him a lot about it.
02:40:41.000And I know his brother Mark, who just texted me about eight minutes ago, weirdly.
02:40:46.000And I've talked to him quite a bit about it.
02:40:49.000And I don't know a lot of the details.
02:40:52.000Here's what I do know. He was murdered in federal lockup in Manhattan in the special housing unit, which is supposedly the most secure place.
02:41:01.000I think there are eight cells total in there.
02:41:04.000And he was, I think, very clearly killed by one of the inmates in there.
02:41:38.000I mean, the speculation, as I'm sure you know, is that he worked for not just U.S. intelligence, which he did, but for a number of different foreign intel agencies.
02:41:47.000And that was certainly the world he lived in.
02:41:49.000And he was operating a blackmail operation on their behalf.
02:42:52.000And finally, I reached someone who said off the record, like, think about it, man.
02:42:56.000Whoever killed this guy, not that we're mourning his passing or anything, but like whoever did that, did that in a federal detention center in the most secure area of that detention center in the United States of America.
02:43:09.000This is not Honduras. So who could do that?
02:43:13.000Well, you know, can't say with any specificity, but I can say it's someone who could certainly kill me if he wanted to.
02:43:18.000So maybe we shouldn't fuck around here.
02:43:57.000You were effectively holding this guy and he got murdered by somebody.
02:44:01.000Why aren't you interested in finding out more?
02:44:03.000You know, it's like kind of an amazing, amazing question.
02:44:06.000Don't you think? Yeah, Tucker is completely right.
02:44:08.000I think it is absolutely an amazing question.
02:44:10.000I think another amazing question, and by the way, we are handing it off to the panel.
02:44:14.000As soon as I'm done with this last question, I just got to get this last question in, but we got such an unbelievable situation.
02:44:20.000series of people who are joining right now.
02:44:23.000Candace Owens, Charlie Kirk, Patrick Beck David, the Tate brothers, and an attorney general.
02:44:28.000But before we open up the panel, one final one, you're talking about secure locations where you can get information, you know, where we should have, you shouldn't be able to commit crimes.
02:44:37.000Yet somebody left a bag of Coke at the White House.
02:44:40.000I know that you've been to the White House.
02:44:42.000Oh, yeah. The Coke at the White House. Who left the Coke, Tucker?
02:44:44.000I leave my blow in the truck every time, just on principle.
02:44:47.000I mean, they got dogs in there and everything, so.
02:44:50.000And I think most people do, because it's the White House.
02:44:55.000And so, you know, I've been sober for 21 years, but, you know, I have used drugs, and I know the paranoia that accompanies the use of illegal drugs.
02:45:03.000And no normal cocaine user, whether chronic or habitual, would ever think to bring cocaine into the White House, because that's a no-no.
02:45:14.000I'm not doing that. And so, clearly, it's someone who lives or works there, who's so familiar with it, that the, you know, the fear of being around Secret Service and dogs, they got a lot of dogs at the White House, is not at all a motivator.
02:45:32.000So, like, you know, it's someone from the family, obviously.
02:45:34.000And you've got a couple of heavy drug users in the family.
02:45:41.000I'm not attacking the Bidens, by the way.
02:45:42.000I feel sorry for them. But, you know, Ashley Biden has had a publicly documented struggle with substance abuse.
02:45:48.000And, of course, Hunter, as well. So, but what's amazing to me, so you sort of feel bad for anybody who's, like, got to get high so bad they're bringing cocaine into the White House.
02:45:57.000But on the other hand, it's like, stop lying to me.
02:46:11.000Toria Nuland is undersecretary of State, the person who helped start the Iraq War.
02:46:15.000It's like, it's a grotesque, painting.
02:46:19.000It's, it's honestly, it's a silver dolly portrait of, of government.
02:46:23.000It's like insane. It's like the least competent, the most malicious, the least accomplished, and the most personally damaged people are running everything.
02:47:17.000Would you open such a debate? Oh, gosh, of course I would.
02:47:21.000Of course I would. Yeah, that sounds fun as hell.
02:47:23.000I absolutely would. I mean, it would, I think, have to be outside the RNC's jurisdiction and that would be good.
02:47:30.000I mean, they're, by the way, if any, I don't know how many people are on this call, but if anyone present can see a purpose for the RNC to continue to exist, to shoot me a text because I'd love to.
02:47:40.000The RNC is like NATO. You know, it has no reason for being.
02:47:44.000It only consumes resources and says annoying things.
02:47:47.000It breaks things. But there's sort of no reason to have it.
02:47:51.000You know what I mean? Brian, for sure.
02:50:39.000But if you had a gentleman's agreement that we're not resolving anything, racial differences are actually not as big a deal as we make them out to be.
02:50:47.000It's not the beginning and end of every fucking story what color you are.
02:50:50.000It's absurd. And we're just not going to talk about it.
02:50:53.000We're going to take race off federal form.
02:50:54.000We're going to stop counting people by race because it totally dehumanizes a person to classify him by race.
02:51:01.000It has nothing to do with anything he did.
02:51:04.000How would you like if he classified people by height and then argued about short people versus tall people?
02:51:09.000All of us could see what a fruitless conversation that would be.
02:51:12.000And hopefully if we're rational, we'd stop having it and just accept that tall people are a little different from short people, but not that different.
02:51:19.000They're still people. And then we could have like a conversation about things that A, we can change and B, that we have in common.
02:51:35.000Well, I think where I differ is that there are times where I think it's important to speak about race.
02:51:44.000I think it's important to speak about race. I think that America in general, they over speak about race.
02:51:47.000I think that people accuse others of being racist too easily.
02:51:52.000And when they do that, they actually, it's causing more harm than good.
02:51:56.000This guy doesn't like me, by the way. Making real racists seem less racist.
02:52:00.000But let me just ask you a question then.
02:52:03.000I mean, you've taken a lot of assumptions on faith, I noticed in that sentence, but can you think of any material improvements to the United States that we've achieved over the last 10 years by talking about race?
02:53:01.000Well, I don't know. I mean, maybe it might be worth treating people as people.
02:53:05.000So I guess implicit in your question, and I really appreciate this, is the desire to see the country come together.
02:53:11.000And people stop arguing with each other and people stop arguing with each other over pointless stuff and be a nation again rather than just 360 million disgruntled individuals, which I think that's what you're saying, and I'm totally for that, okay?
02:53:24.000But any talk about race by definition reduces somebody to a physical characteristic.
02:53:33.000And A, I thought we thought that was bad.
02:53:35.000I still do. But B, that is like a recipe for democracy.
02:53:41.000Dividing people. It's absolutely a recipe.
02:53:43.000Why wouldn't we emphasize, even in the case of crime, our commonality, one person hurt another person, not a white hurt a black or a black hurt a white because the implication there is all blacks hurt all whites or all whites hurt all blacks.
02:53:57.000And that's not true. That's not helpful.
02:53:58.000So why don't we just say a person hurt another person?
02:54:01.000We're against hurting people. We're going to punish them on the basis of the harm he caused.
02:54:04.000I mean, that seems like a much more, quote, liberal approach, but a much more humane and constructive approach.
02:54:10.000And I can promise you, if we did that, we would be talking about stuff that matters.
02:54:14.000Like, how is this war helping anybody?
02:55:02.000And I think that, you know, we're seeing this over and over again.
02:55:06.000And right now we're being presented with it on both the left and the right, you know, people that are calling for the censorship of speech, people that are using the exact same tactics to silence people, you know, cancel culture in general.
02:57:24.000So clearly your feelings or someone else's feelings or the feelings of transgender American Indians on the res, it's all irrelevant to them.
02:57:32.000Censorship is a tool of power used to preserve power.
02:57:36.000It always has been. It always will be.
02:57:38.000If someone's telling you you can't say something, they're telling you that on behalf of someone above you.
02:59:06.000But I see a number of basically irresolvable conflicts coming to fruition in the same period, not just in this country, but around the world.
02:59:16.000Now, the election specifically, you can't have a democracy and you can't have a free and fair election unless people can say what they think and get all the publicly available information that they can.
02:59:27.000And publicly available is a big thing.
02:59:29.000Most information about what your government is doing should be publicly available.
02:59:34.000And if it's not, well, again, that's another sign that you're not living in a democracy.
02:59:38.000So the 2020 election was the mirror image of that.
02:59:41.000I mean, we weren't allowed to hear all kinds of things.
02:59:43.000All sorts of information was suppressed, not just Hunter Biden's laptop, but a lot.
02:59:47.000And we learned that in the Twitter files.
02:59:48.000So that was not a free and fair election.
02:59:50.000I can't imagine that any liberal, as much as they may love Joe Biden or hate Trump, but that's fine.
02:59:55.000But I don't think any honest person can say that it was.
02:59:57.000You don't have to believe that voting machines were rigged, though.
03:00:00.000Maybe they were. I don't know. They could be.
03:00:07.000All you need to know is that there was no place where people could present information or speak their beliefs honestly about COVID, the vaccine, about Hunter Biden, about China, about a bunch of different things.
03:00:20.000And that's not a free and fair election.
03:00:23.000And so the fact that X, thanks to Elon, is now open is a massive threat to the people who don't want a free and fair election.
03:01:04.000I know Washington is like the only thing I know.
03:01:07.000Ask me about Washington or fly fishing and I can give you credible answers.
03:01:10.000And the idea that you're prosecuting a man with as a on a felony charge for bringing home documents and not returning to the national fucking archives.
03:01:18.000Are you serious? Is there a single high level bureaucrat in Washington elected or not who doesn't do that every single day?
03:01:25.000No, because there are over a billion classified federal documents and the overwhelming majority should not be classified.
03:01:31.000There's no national security justification for classifying them.
03:01:34.000Look me in the face and tell me the U.S. government has a legitimate reason for classifying over a billion documents.
03:01:42.000It's a scam, as you know, designed to maintain power and disempower the population.
03:01:47.000So to indict him on that and then tell us they were nuclear secrets, but then never even suggest what those secrets might have been.
03:01:54.000At the same time that the sitting president did the same thing and you're expecting me to go along with this and be like, oh, it's the rule of law.
03:02:01.000These are our sacred norm. No, you're violating the rule of law.
03:02:03.000You're mocking our sacred norms and you're doing it with the presidency at stake.
03:02:09.000You are trying to take the front runner out of the race with bogus legal charges.
03:02:14.000And when I saw that happening, I mean, I've always had qualms about Trump, particularly the people he hired.
03:02:21.000I couldn't believe you'd hire someone like that.
03:02:23.000And I've told him that to his face and I think that.
03:02:25.000But the second they indicted him on ridiculous charges and raided Mar-a-Lago and went through his wife's underwear drawer and all that shit.
03:02:35.000That can't stand because I have to live here and I've got a bunch of kids and they have to live here and hopefully they'll have kids and my descendants will live here as my ancestors did.
03:02:42.000And I want them to live in a country with a functioning justice system and elections that are semi-real.
03:02:47.000And if we allow this to happen, none of that will come to pass.
03:02:51.000I'll take it. But Tucker, I'll take it about what concerns me.
03:02:54.000I'll take it a step further. One of the first, and Tristan, that goes to you as well after Tucker, is one of the first things Elon said when he came on the space, he said something along the lines that I'll never kill myself or if anything happens to me, just rest assured, I'll never kill myself.
03:03:10.000And then Andrew came on and said the same thing two days ago.
03:03:14.000Tristan, I think you shared a similar concern.
03:03:17.000For so many people to be saying this and then you see big tech being able to completely cancel someone.
03:03:22.000We saw Alex Jones talk about his experience two days ago.
03:03:26.000It just seems that the concept of a democracy is just not working.
03:03:32.000To have so many voices say something like this and seeing what's happening with Trump, do you share such a concern as well?
03:03:40.000Have you ever thought about this? Of course I do.
03:03:41.000Of course I do. And not only have I thought about it, but I mean, how many democracies between Rome and the American Revolution did the world see?
03:03:50.000Oh, zero. So look, there are inherent problems with democracy.
03:03:54.000There was a lot of conversation about this in the late 18th century in Europe and not just from fascists, from liberal-minded people who wanted the maximum amount of freedom for a population.
03:04:03.000And they argued, famously, that democracy inevitably leads to authoritarianism.
03:04:08.000I hope they're wrong. I was born into democracy.
03:04:50.000Because a democracy, by definition, means ultimately, while we have respect for minority rights, the majority gets what it wants over time.
03:04:57.000That's what the system is. And that's what it demands.
03:04:59.000And if you get rulers in there who are like, well, we're in power now, and we don't give a shit what you want.
03:05:03.000You're not getting it, and we're going to stymie your desires at every turn.
03:05:08.000Two things happen. One, you make a mockery of the system that you purportedly uphold and represent democracy.
03:06:18.000If you're super rich, like, where are you going to go?
03:06:20.000You can't just, like, live at the Discovery properties at Bakers Bay.
03:06:24.000You can't live at the Yellowstone Club.
03:06:26.000Like, what do they think is going to happen?
03:06:28.000And so I just, I think it's a moment of mass insanity.
03:06:31.000And the way to fix it is to just resolve yourself to the fact that at some point in a democracy, somebody's going to get elected that you don't like, and you're just going to have to deal with it.
03:06:41.000Okay? That's just true. Tristan, I want you to jump in on that particular point you guys are facing.
03:06:47.000You and Andrew are facing, let's say, a flawed justice system in Romania.
03:06:52.000We've got, you know, where he, you know, being concerned about the U.S. We'd love you to jump in on this point and any other questions you have.
03:06:59.000Yeah. To speak about lawfare for just a moment, what I will say is I think that the overuse of power is something that becomes very obvious with time.
03:07:10.000Over the last 70 or 80 years, we don't know exactly who was assassinated, who killed themselves, who didn't.
03:07:18.000There are some cases, obviously, that you just mentioned, Jeffrey Epstein, that are far easier to prove or easier to build a case to the public than others.
03:07:26.000So Elon coming out saying, I would never kill myself, Tucker, Andrew, myself, always harping on about the fact that we will never kill ourselves is a very important thing to say because if they do use this weapon on us, if this weapon is used to silence any of us, and I'm speaking of, obviously, the higher ups, people who are more influential than myself, then at least the world will be wise to it.
03:07:47.000The question is, what are we going to do?
03:07:49.000Because I genuinely worry for Tucker, and I worry for Elon, and I don't want to be Mr.
03:07:56.000Doom and Gloom. When I say I worry, what I mean is I include them in my prayers every single night.
03:08:04.000There's a very interesting book, I suggest everybody at home read, called Three Felonies a Day, by a man named Harvey Silverglate.
03:08:11.000And he speaks about how if somebody within the Justice Department wants to get you for something, any aspect of your life can be interpreted and prove that you've committed at least three felonies a day.
03:08:22.000Now, the book does exaggerate with that number.
03:08:25.000What I will say is, you know, as Tucker's saying, bringing classified documents into your home, everyone in Washington is doing it.
03:08:32.000Let's get Trump with it. Let's attack him with it.
03:08:34.000My case, I don't want to talk about it because I'm not the subject of this Twitter space.
03:08:39.000But essentially, it's saying that even suggesting any kind of social media collaboration with people, even if they do not live with you and they live in other countries, can be human trafficking, if that's in the hand of a prosecutor.
03:08:53.000I would like to think that the world is now smart enough that if Tucker Carlson, in the next six months living a public life, as he has done for the last 30 years, and Elon Musk being a successful millionaire ever since his first game developments and his sale of PayPal, if a bunch of random imaginary crimes from his past creep up, I think that people just need to be smart enough to think, why did this man go so public and so loud and state his opinions so vehemently when he had a criminal past?
03:09:22.000And the answer to that is going to be, well, they don't have a criminal past.
03:09:26.000What's happening is the justice system is being weaponized against us.
03:09:29.000Now, obviously, in the United States, there's a little something called trial by jury, which is nice, same in the United Kingdom and a few other countries, where the people can actually protect people against the justice system by knowing that something is rigged, knowing that something is set up and saying not guilty, irregardless of what the district attorneys or the prosecutors want to bring.
03:09:48.000But there are other parts of the world, I won't name them, but you know where I'm talking about, that don't even have a trial by jury to protect people from lawfare.
03:09:58.000And I guess before I move on to my next point, because I actually did have a very important point to make, what I would say is, what does the person at home, Tucker, what does the person at home do about it?
03:10:09.000If you get accused of five or ten random crimes that happened 20 or 30 years ago, which obviously didn't really happen, but it's just your word against someone else's and you're being dragged through the courts, what does the person at home do about it and what can they do to assist you in any way or to stop this from happening?
03:10:28.000Well, first of all, I didn't realize that was Tristan Tate talking.
03:10:35.000What can the average person at home do?
03:10:37.000Well, nothing. And that's kind of the whole point.
03:10:39.000I mean, no one wants to say this, but I mean, I guess I'm just, I'm from a different world or something, but I mean, to whom much is given, much is required.
03:11:02.000It's incumbent on rich and powerful people to write the system and to make it fair, once again, and to make sure that principles are applied universally, not simply to my enemies or to my friends, but to everybody, regardless of color or political belief.
03:11:16.000That is absolutely essential, but that can't be done by the average person.
03:11:20.000It can only be done by those people who through luck or virtue or whatever, whatever the qualities are to get certain people to certain places.
03:11:28.000But once you get to those places, you have an obligation to make it better.
03:11:31.000Not, not just to accrue wealth for yourself, not just to throw it in some foundation to buy mosquito nets for, Congo or whatever, but to fix your own country to help your own neighbors.
03:11:43.000I mean, even when the looting was going on after the George Floyd death, you know, and they were burning Wendy's and all this stuff and like, yeah, they're out of control.
03:11:51.000You know, I hate that. And I do think it would be fine to shoot some looters, but I was really not mad at the looters.
03:11:57.000I was really mad at the people who are funding them and cheering them on and making excuses for them.
03:12:02.000The people who should know better, who have the power in our society and who are instead destroying what they should be protecting.
03:12:10.000So I think we should focus all of our energy on pressuring people with power.
03:12:15.000And last thing I'll say is that given the overwhelming advantage that technology gives to the powerful, and I'm a huge believer in, you know, gun rights and I have a lot of guns and I believe in the AR-15 and I shoot a lot and all that, that's all great.
03:12:29.000But in the end, Joe Biden is right about one thing.
03:12:32.000It is an asymmetrical battle between you and the government.
03:12:34.000That is absolutely true. You're not going to be the drone, even with a, you know, 12 gauge with Magnum duck loads.
03:12:40.000You're just not. So you need to have, you need to make sure that people like Elon Musk, people who, Donald Trump, and there should be many, many others who have power are restraining the forces of totalitarianism before they crush you.
03:12:56.000So you need to, like, the pressure campaign should only be on powerful people.
03:12:59.000I don't think mass demonstrations are going to get us there.
03:13:01.000I just don't. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't.
03:13:06.000Tristan, I'll give you the mic and then we've got Patrick, we've got David, just jumped in, David Sachs, talking to you and David, had a great interview.
03:13:11.000I was listening to it earlier. You know, I'd love you to dig into Ukraine.
03:13:15.000Charlie's here as well. Tristan, I'll give you the mic then, Benny.
03:13:18.000I'd love you to intro Charlie and Patrick.
03:13:20.000But Tristan, go ahead, man. Yeah, when you were speaking earlier, or even just now, about powerful people bringing the tools back to society to make sure everything runs right, I have a question about, because this is a space, about you, Tucker Carlson, and, you know, Elon Musk and the things that you guys are doing, which I think are absolutely wonderful.
03:13:38.000Congratulations on the foundation of the Tucker Carlson Network, first of all.
03:13:42.000What I would say is, I feel like your massive success, your massive success, unprecedented success in recent times hasn't just been because you're charming and handsome and you tell the truth on your news show.
03:13:56.000I feel like in your experience, I mean, you've been involved in the media and the news since I was in kindergarten.
03:14:02.000You've been at this game a very, very long time.
03:14:05.000I feel like what Elon Musk has done by opening X in the way he has to you is essentially like giving a master craftsman the tools to finally live up to his full potential, like giving Michelangelo the hammer and chisel, like giving Michelangelo the paintbrushes.
03:14:21.000And you have absolutely run away with it.
03:14:24.000My question to you is, he's given the tools to everyone.
03:14:28.000This isn't a gift he's given to Tucker Carlson.
03:14:30.000This isn't a gift he's given to Alex Jones.
03:14:32.000This is a gift he has given to the entire world.
03:14:34.000First part of the question would be, why do you think people who disagree with you ideologically and politically aren't doing the exact same thing?
03:14:43.000Because there are people arguably, especially in the American media, who have just as much experience and just as much potential.
03:14:53.000And the second part of the question would be, when the world's media finally uses the tools that Elon has now made available to everybody.
03:15:00.000And I'm not talking about the American media.
03:15:01.000I'm talking about the Russians, the Chinese.
03:15:04.000Everyone can use this platform and speak what they think to be true on it.
03:15:08.000When that does happen, and if that does happen, and if everybody's potential is unlocked the way yours has been unlocked, how do you think that's going to change the political landscape of both America and the world?
03:16:50.000And I don't think there's much of a case to be made at this point.
03:16:52.000I mean, there is a case on the left, on the actual left.
03:16:56.000You've seen very articulate people come on, especially on foreign policy, and make, a very strong case for a left-wing foreign policy perspective.
03:17:03.000Which, you know, I don't always agree with, but it's a coherent case.
03:17:07.000You can't find, I mean, what is the coherent case for castrating your children?
03:17:30.000The fact that we don't have more neoliberal voices on Twitter, and neoliberals run the world, or the West at the moment, not for long in my view, but they do now.
03:17:39.000But their voices are absent in the public debate.
03:17:42.000They don't want to debate. And that just tells you that they move past the debate stage into the coercion stage.
03:18:34.000I always try to bring attention to it, especially with Tucker's network launching, or just launched.
03:18:39.000So I'd love your thoughts on that, Patrick, and then a back and forth between you and Tucker.
03:18:43.000The mic is playing up a bit, so just make sure you don't mute.
03:18:45.000So first of all, Mario, you're doing a great job with all these spaces.
03:18:49.000You know, for whatever reason, you keep running the biggest Twitter spaces, and everybody around the world is jumping into listening.
03:18:55.000And obviously, shout out to Elon for the platform he's picked up.
03:19:00.000As if he wasn't busy enough already, he picked this up.
03:19:04.000Tucker, congratulations to you on TCN, Tucker Carlson Network, both as a fan and as a capitalist and as a guy that, you know, loves America and wants to see more fighters out there that have the audacity and the brass to go out there and impose and push the envelope and stand up.
03:19:26.000And I'm looking forward to seeing you whoop some ass.
03:19:29.000But my question for you was the following.
03:19:30.000So I think everybody is wired in a different way.
03:19:34.000I try to study you to see, you know, what level of fight you're willing to do for this country, because obviously, for my end, I've watched you, not the other way around.
03:19:53.000My oldest son, who watched you a lot for many years.
03:19:55.000He's 11 years old. The youngest is 10.
03:19:59.000Trump's first election he went on, first, you know, 2016, he had to choose a VP like Mike Pence.
03:20:05.000And the reason why that worked, obviously, you know, who Mike Pence had as voters, location, state, where he was based out of, what sect of voters he could win over, whether that helped or not, it is what it is.
03:20:18.000But he kind of needed a person that was a yes person that wasn't going to say, a lot, and Trump was going to lead the way.
03:20:26.000And, you know, the intentions was, you have two terms.
03:20:30.000He wasn't expecting for the mess that happened with what happened with YouTube, Twitter, all these other Twitter files that came out, X files that came out.
03:20:39.000And then now, him running, it's a different strategy on how to pick a VP. This time around, to pick a VP, he can't pick somebody that's just going to be a one term, because to get the job done, you know, in the edge, Russia, and UK and some of these other places have, somebody can be in office and running for a while.
03:21:33.000And two, if not, do you think, if you could, be, you know, unbiased in the most possible way, do you think you would make a good VP candidate?
03:21:43.000And if not, who would you think would make a good VP candidate?
03:21:46.000Because the strategy has got to be 12 years, not just four years.
03:21:50.000Yeah. Well, Dan, thank you for that question.
03:23:19.000Looking forward to seeing you in Phoenix.
03:23:21.000Super quick. So, Tucker, I want to get your thoughts on this.
03:23:23.000As you know, we do a lot of stuff on campuses.
03:23:25.000And I've been for the last 11 years trying to get wealthy donors to realize it's a bad idea to send money to these universities.
03:23:31.000And in the last six weeks, it seems as if that's finally having some momentum.
03:23:35.000When you were sitting down with Candace, you said, I really hate these people that have been funding the anti-white nonsense on these campuses.
03:23:43.000And I was honestly shocked, speechless, when Bill Ackman came out the other day and said in his, letter, basically, I realized that I have been asleep, almost complicit with funding these universities for years and how anti-white, anti-Western, anti-male they are.
03:24:00.000So, Tucker, you said all the rage should be against powerful people.
03:24:04.000What should we forgive people that have been funding this for the last 20 or 30 years?
03:24:12.000Your mic, Charlie, Charlie, your mic, I think it's under a shirt.
03:24:15.000Tucker, do you hear the question? I know this mic kind of cut out at the end.
03:24:18.000Yeah, first of all, thank you for that question, Charlie.
03:24:22.000And, I mean, well, just to start at the end, we should always forgive people.
03:24:26.000You know, we ourselves want to be forgiven for our many faults.
03:24:29.000I mean, I really feel that way strongly, and I will always forgive somebody for anything.
03:24:34.000You know, if the contrition is heartfelt, I mean, it's our obligation to forgive people.
03:24:39.000And the lack of forgiveness in our increasingly secular country where our leaders worship themselves as gods is one of the main problems that we have.
03:24:48.000So, of course, I will always forgive anybody, and I would ask people to forgive me for my shortcomings.
03:24:53.000And that would include Bill Ackman, by the way, who I had mixed feelings about, but I loved reading that the other day.
03:24:59.000But my point remains, which is our principles have to be universal.
03:25:04.000And so if it's wrong to attack one group, it's wrong to attack any group.
03:25:07.000It doesn't matter what the group is or whether I'm related to them or not or know them.
03:25:10.000It doesn't matter. Attacking people on the basis of their group identity or their immutable characteristics is always wrong, period.
03:25:16.000And this country is founded on universal principles.
03:25:18.000And if it's not, then it's just, you know, whatever.
03:25:24.000I mean, it's just like any other crappy little country run by power-mad people who are transactional and have no principles and crush the weak and reward their friends.
03:25:32.000So that is the one thing that we can't give up is the acknowledgement that these principles are universal.
03:25:38.000They apply to everybody. Second, I don't understand why nobody has made the obvious point, which is if it is a sin to attack a foreign country, if it makes people feel unsafe or whatever, okay, then why is it okay to attack our country?
03:25:53.000I mean, people piss on the United States constantly.
03:25:56.000I personally think they should be allowed to because I believe in free speech.
03:25:59.000I don't think you should, you know, fire someone or I don't know, fire, but I don't think the government should penalize somebody for attacking the United States.
03:26:06.000I don't. But the outrage disparity is really shocking to me.
03:26:11.000So you attack a foreign country, people are like, how can you do that?
03:26:13.000That's hateful. And at the same time, everyone sort of accepts as a matter of course that the entire college experience is based on attacking the United States and its institutions and its history, often very unfairly, sometimes fairly.
03:26:28.000There are definitely ways you can attack the United States and that's, you know, fine.
03:26:31.000But to claim the whole country was built on slavery and it's the most unfair country in the world, when of course it was the most fair country in the world, that's true.
03:26:39.000For all, it's false. So I just would like to see a little bit more parody.
03:26:44.000You know, if it infuriates you to see a foreign flag burned, does it bother you to see your own flag burned?
03:26:49.000If it infuriates you, if you think it's a crime, an act of violence to criticize the policies of another country, why is it not the same to criticize the policies of your own country?
03:26:57.000Can you explain that to me? Can you speak slowly as you do?
03:27:00.000Because I don't understand. And I take it personally because I'm an American and I don't have another passport and I'm not going anywhere.
03:27:07.000And my ancestors have been here for hundreds of years and I hope my descendants will be too.
03:27:14.000And to watch some of these, and by the way, I don't begrudge them if there's some, you know, popular podcast host who's super upset about what's happening in a foreign country.
03:27:22.000That's fine with me. I'm not mad about that.
03:27:24.000But if he's applying such different standards to my country, like anything's, you know, nothing's too crappy for the United States.
03:27:32.000Well, you know, we should send the refugees that I'm describing as terrorists to the United States because who cares about the United States?
03:27:37.000What we should really care about is some foreign country.
03:27:56.000I just want to jump in and say it absolutely does make sense.
03:27:58.000And we need more people to be willing to say that.
03:28:01.000There's nothing wrong or dirty about being America first and the people that are trying to switch the narratives and make it seem like, you know, to love your country and to want to see your country secured first.
03:28:12.000America first is wrong are completely.
03:28:14.000They're the ones that are wrong, you know, and I'm saying that because, Charlie, obviously you mentioned me and the conversation that Tucker and I had.
03:28:22.000And I'm sure, Tucker, you don't pay much attention to the headlines, but people tried to make it seem as though our conversation of wanting to be America first was somehow wrong and backwards.
03:28:31.000And so, you know, I'm grateful for people like you.
03:28:33.000I think whether you want to or not, you know, you are a pioneer.
03:28:36.000And I think that people with platforms, as you said, who too much, who much, who much is given, much is tested.
03:28:43.000are wondering, you know, where do we, what does the future look like in media?
03:28:47.000You know, what does the future look like for the Tucker Carlson Network, for people that are willing to stand up and to say things that are plainly obvious and plainly true and are unwilling to, you know, be smeared out of existence?
03:28:59.000What does the future look like for people like me and Charlie Kirk?
03:29:02.000You know, we're a generation beneath you.
03:29:07.000You know, I want to just know more about your future vision for the Tucker Carlson Network, because obviously, you know, all of us are excited about what you're doing, and we do view you, as I said earlier, as a pioneer in this space.
03:29:18.000Well, thank you. I mean, my vision is, you know, partly in poet, I'm just being honest.
03:29:24.000I mean, these things evolve in ways that you can't foresee it, and this will be no different, but my baseline belief is that you have to be protected, and I know that from experience, and you can, you know, work for people who you really like and who you think you, like you, and then things will happen that you don't understand, and all of a sudden, you're cut off from any kind of audience, and you have no opportunity to say what you think is true.
03:29:49.000And that's happened to me before, and I don't want it to happen again.
03:29:52.000And, you know, to rely on advertising, if you're me, if you're Elon, it's fine, because you're in a different category.
03:29:59.000But if you're me, you can't rely on just advertising.
03:30:02.000You can't, because it's a fickle world.
03:30:04.000It's a turbulent world, and you need the fortress, effectively, that a subscription model affords.
03:30:11.000We're going to be posting on X every single day, all of our content, you know, and some of it will be behind a paywall, but part of all of it will be on X, because we want the biggest audience we can get, and we so appreciate the amazing, and at this point, unique nature of this platform.
03:30:27.000But you have to have subscribers who support you, and will protect you, and your ability to fund this stuff, the documentaries, I've got, we've got a bunch of, we've got 20, more than 20 people working for us right now, and you can't, you can't rely on advertisers to keep that open if all of a sudden there's another January 6th, or they make up something, or there's a terror attack, and oh gosh, we have to shut down, you know, anyone who's criticizing the government now.
03:30:52.000You think that won't happen? Of course it'll happen.
03:31:14.000Go ahead. Speaking of saying what you believe is true, Media Matters is, of course, trying to censor.
03:31:19.000There is very few people that are properly fighting back.
03:31:22.000Elon Musk is one of them. Another is the Attorney General of the state of Missouri, Andrew Bailey, who's joining the show right now, and has filed now an investigation into Media Matters over the last 24 hours.
03:31:35.000He's announced that the state of Missouri will be investigating the fraud of Media Matters.
03:31:40.000I would love to give the floor to the Attorney General of the state of Missouri.
03:32:06.000If we don't secure our southern border and we allow this mass invasion to continue, we will lose who we are as the United States of America.
03:32:16.000The second strategic objective is the weaponization of government.
03:32:20.000We see that time and time again going after President Trump and political opponents, weaponizing the criminal justice system to achieve political objectives that you can't win on the merits.
03:32:31.000And so you've got to undermine the rule of law to be able to achieve those objectives.
03:32:35.000And at some point, like you pointed out, Tucker, this turns into a banana republic.
03:32:39.000But the one I'm most concerned about tonight that I really want to focus on and I think touches and concerns the most recent issue with Media Matters is the right to free speech.
03:32:49.000Look, it's the battlefield of ideas that is the essence of free speech.
03:32:54.000And that's a foundational principle of our republic.
03:32:58.000And what I see time and time again today are radical progressive tyrants who want to take that freedom away from us.
03:33:05.000And they're willing to lie, cheat, and steal to do it.
03:33:07.000These are cowards who can't fight and win the battle of ideas.
03:33:11.000So again, they're going to manipulate, they're going to deceive, they're going to destroy our ability to carry on the conversation.
03:33:18.000And really it boils down to two principles of how to motivate human behavior, inspiration or manipulation.
03:33:24.000And that's why I think this new front in the battle for freedom of speech is such an interesting juxtaposition between Elon Musk, an inspirational figure who inspires innovation against the manipulative behavior that we see, from Media Matters.
03:33:43.000And I think that, again, that's a very clear moral distinction between that inspiration and that manipulation.
03:33:50.000I'm here to tell you, you know, what I see from Media Matters are a series of lies, deceit, and manipulations.
03:33:57.000The entire organization is built on lies.
03:34:00.000You know, the fact that we've got a radical progressive advocacy group masquerading as a media outlet is shameful that they've been able to go this far and get away with it.
03:34:09.000And I'll tell you, as part of our investigation, we've already received documents that purport to be internal memoranda from Media Matters.
03:34:17.000And we're going to hold that as part of our internal investigation.
03:34:19.000And I'll tell you, the contents of these documents would chill the devil's spine.
03:34:24.000You know, one of the more disturbing quotes is where Media Matters opines that a deeper grassroots bench also means that Media Matters will be better positioned to win corporate pressure campaigns.
03:34:35.000They take credit for forcing Facebook to adopt censorship by using public pressure, then working hand-in-hand behind the scenes to maintain censorship on Facebook.
03:34:43.000So this is a pattern of behavior that we've now seen replicated in their attack on X. And my, you know, again, my question to you, Tucker, is in this fight for free speech, how did we get to a point in our country?
03:35:12.000created by you know the other side and the other side lied about why they were doing it again the point of censorship is to protect the people in power always they're the only beneficiaries of censorship and the rest of us kind of went along with the lie that this was being done on behalf of the weak some oppressed group or other other who needed us to be more sensitive and it was merely that just be more sensitive don't hurt anyone's feelings don't use the word retard it's mean okay
03:35:41.000fine I don't need to use the word retard I'm okay you know right but that metastasized into what we're looking at now which is just this massive Thank you for that.
03:36:15.000behalf. So who's paying for it? Who's paying for media matters? Really I think long-term the only way to fix this and a whole lot of other problems that beset this country and make progress impossible is to end nonprofit status.
03:36:29.000The whole thing is ridiculous. I mean the premise behind nonprofit status is that nonprofits are quote acting in the public interest. But that's clearly untrue. They're acting in their own interest.
03:37:45.000How did that happen? Because the attacks on George Soros rattled George Soros.
03:37:49.000So he sent out the word, you know, get them to stop attacking me. It works when you attack people by name, when you call out what they're doing with evidence, not the low-level people, you know, not the Antifa soldiers who were, you know, hassling people in public parks just to arrest them.
03:38:06.000The people paying for them are the ones.
03:38:08.000ones who need to be exposed. I really believe that. And then they will knock that shit off quickly.
03:38:14.000David, I want to go to you, David, and you and Tucker were two of the first, by the way, Benny is a bit of an echo from your end. Just your mic is unmuted. David, I'll go to you. I'm not sure if you're going to ask about Ukraine or chat about Ukraine, but I'd love if you do. You know, Elon did say not too long ago in a space, we are sleepwalking into World War Three. And I think people are just ignoring the war now, especially with what's happening in Gaza.
03:38:36.000You and Tucker had a great conversation about it in your interview, but we'd love to get your thoughts on it and Tucker's as well. Well, Mario, I'm happy to talk about that. But first, just building on this previous conversation about censorship and weaponization of government, I just want to ask Tucker, is this, in your view, a sign of weakness or strength on the part of the ruling elite? I mean, on the one hand, it feels like it's a sign of weakness in the sense that they wouldn't need to be censoring their
03:39:05.000opponents if they were really strong. On the other hand, it really does feel like they're just kind of cementing their total control over our discourse. And if it weren't for Elon buying Twitter, which was kind of a fluke, it would have already happened.
03:39:18.000happens. So how do you interpret that? I mean, are the elites who are portraying this, do you view this as a sign of weakness or strength?
03:39:29.000Well, thank you, David. Your podcast is unbelievable. I keep texting you this, but like the number of people who listen to it is blowing my mind. So, very cool. Obviously, it's a sign of weakness. Hysteria is always a sign of weakness. You know, it's hysteria. I mean, it comes, it's like a gender assigned term and it was the opposite of manliness. Manly self-control is the opposite of hysteria.
03:39:53.000So, you know, it is, it's always a sign of someone who believes he or she is in the subordinate position. And it's true in your own life. You know, if your kids disobey you and you get hysterical, what you're really telegraphing is I have no control over you. And if you know you're in control, if you're firmly in control and have the respect of your children, then you can firmly but calmly correct them. And, you know, that's how a man who's in charge of his house behaves.
03:40:18.000Hysteria is not. That's the single mom play.
03:40:20.000Thank you for that. Thank you for that.
03:40:26.000they may feel, they clearly feel existentially threatened.
03:40:30.000I mean there's no mistaking this behavior. This is, you know, this is Ceaușescu, I always think of this, you know, it was on tape when he and his wife Elena were led away to be executed in 89 in Romania and it was videotaped and they tell him we're about to execute you and he starts barking orders at the people who are about to kill him and I thought what an interesting response that was. He never, he became even more insistent on his power as it was obvious that he had done.
03:40:54.000Thank you for that. Thank you for that.
03:42:39.000Like what actually matters, just look at what they're doing, what they care about.
03:42:44.000Cause they're pretty good at figuring out what actually matters.
03:42:46.000Keeping X open as a free speech platform is I think the biggest deal in their world and the single biggest threat to their illegitimate rule.
03:42:59.000I'm not an intimate friend of his or anything, but you can imagine where they just bring so much pressure bear where, you know, it's a very expensive company.
03:43:06.000You pay a lot for it. And you sort of wonder if there isn't a way for the public on both sides, anyone who supports free speech to help.
03:43:15.000I mean, is there some sort of public investment vehicle where, you know, people who support free speech could become minority owners of the different class of shares.
03:43:46.000By the way, let me just say that congrats on the launch of TCN. Just speaking as a web product guy, I thought it was extremely well executed.
03:43:56.000And I would urge everyone here to do the same.
03:43:59.000But I think to your point, I mean, I agree with you that these people would not be attempting censorship, which is so un-American's anathema to everything that the vast majority of Americans believe if they weren't fundamentally weak.
03:44:13.000And yet it feels like they're so close to cementing their control.
03:44:18.000And look, like I said, Elon is kind of a fluke.
03:44:21.000I mean, in the sense that I know lots of, you know, really successful people in Silicon Valley, none of them would have stuck their necks out to oppose the censorship regime in the way that Elon has.
03:44:35.000Never mind, you know, spending, what is it, like, you know, $45 billion to acquire Twitter.
03:44:41.000So, and to keep on suffering the penalties that he's suffering.
03:45:02.000You know, the DOJ is investigating SpaceX for not hiring enough non-Americans, like enough refugees to jobs that are involved in, you know, sensitive national security jobs.
03:45:23.000I mean, it's just like insane what's happening.
03:45:26.000And I'm just speaking right now as somebody who's reading the news.
03:45:30.000Okay. This is not, this is not me divulging anything I've talked to Elon about.
03:45:35.000Okay. This is just me reacting to publicly reported news stories.
03:45:39.000So Elon, I think, is really kind of a fluke in his willingness to stand up and potentially face the repercussions of opposing the censorship agenda.
03:45:50.000Never mind buying Twitter in the first place and, you know, opening up the Twitter jails and restoring free speech.
03:45:56.000So, and I guess the point I would just go back to, if that hadn't happened, which really only happened because he cares so much about free speech and he really does think it's fundamental to America and to civilization in general.
03:46:09.000I mean, we really got lucky that one, I mean, really, and literally only one of our major, you know, successful people in Silicon Valley had the means and the worldview to do that, that we're even speaking on this platform right now.
03:46:28.000And that's the thing that, I mean, so I agree with you on the one hand, it's a sign of weakness that they're pushing this agenda.
03:46:34.000On the other hand, I mean, they are so close to implementing their total control over the public discourse.
03:46:41.000And it's like I said, only a fluke that it hasn't happened already.
03:46:44.000So let me stop right there and get your reaction.
03:46:57.000It was, it was great for me personally.
03:46:59.000I really, I didn't make any money, but I really enjoyed it, deeply enjoyed it.
03:47:03.000And it changed my life for the better.
03:47:05.000And so I didn't want to seem like I'm flacking for the guy.
03:47:08.000I think objectively, if I'd never been on the platform and I had no connection to it, I'd still feel the same way.
03:47:14.000Is without it, you can't be a democracy.
03:47:16.000You can't be a free country. If there's no place for people in Speaker's Corner in London that we don't have anything like that except this.
03:48:07.000And so the fact that everything aligned and we have this, I just feel like, and just again, it's hard for me to say because my own fortunes are tied up in this too, to some small extent.
03:48:17.000But I just can't overstate how important I think it is for every decent person in the country, regardless of background or voting history, who cares about preserving a free society.
03:48:29.000And I think on some level, everybody wants a free society.
03:48:31.000I mean, honestly, everybody demands and does anything he or she can do to keep this open and free of government control.
03:48:39.000I mean, because if we lose this or if we don't have no platform like this, then we kind of are done.
03:48:45.000Honestly, all the podcasts in the world, will not save us, including mine.
03:48:49.000I'd like to chime in here for a second if you gentlemen don't mind.
03:48:53.000I believe looking at the panel tonight, I'm the only speaker who's never lived in the United States as an adult.
03:49:00.000There's a lot of people listening who perhaps don't know who I am of the 55,000 people who have tuned in.
03:49:05.000I left the United States involuntarily at age eight.
03:49:07.000So I am an American citizen, but I've never lived in the United States as an adult.
03:49:12.000I've lived in Slovakia, Poland, the United Kingdom, notably in the Middle East.
03:49:17.000I don't think that the people listening at home, the Americans listening at home, perhaps understand how alien this concept is around the world that not just foreigners can come into your country with all the good it's done and the hand it's extended to people for them to build a better life and to openly criticize the country and to accuse the country of inherently being criminals for their past, how unusual that is, but also to have powerful, powerful agency.
03:49:46.000Agencies, media matters springs to mind naturally, that are grown within the United States, staffed and manned by mainly American people whose life mission, for whatever reason it is, is to demonize American society, to demonize the American people based largely on ridiculous claims that everybody is inherently born a criminal.
03:50:09.000Now, I've lived in Romania for seven years, even with what's going on right now.
03:50:13.000I would never say something so stupid as to look at something in Romania's past.
03:50:17.000If anyone knows World War II history, Antonescu famously allied with Hitler during World War II and accused the average Romanian person of being a Nazi sympathizer because their great-great-great-grandfather or their great-great-grandfather who's long since dead has somehow passed on this genetic legacy of being an evil person.
03:50:36.000I think that if I said that to a Romanian person on the street, quite rightfully, they would punch me in the face.
03:50:40.000So, as the only non-American, I guess, here, the non-American resident, I'd like you all to know that it is absolutely insane, it is wild to people living in countries like Romania that, you know, South Africa and England and America are literally from within its own people demonizing every single other member of that society and saying that everybody from outside of our country is good and we ourselves is bad and we owe the world X and we owe the world everything.
03:51:10.000Because our great-great-grandfather may have owned African-American slaves.
03:51:15.000Keep in mind, I'm the descendant of African-American slaves myself.
03:51:20.000It's absolutely wild that this takes place and it's absolutely unthinkable to even someone like me who left the country at eight years old.
03:51:28.000Of all the countries I've lived in and a very, very good point was made by the Honorable Attorney General earlier, Mr.
03:51:42.000I remember people were arguing about securing the southern border.
03:51:44.000The first elections I can remember, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, when I was just a kid, this was an issue that was on the table and it still has not been done by anyone.
03:51:53.000Romania has probably one-sixth of the GDP per capita of the United States.
03:51:59.000In terms of money and finance, it is flat broke compared to the United States and we share a southern border with Bulgaria.
03:52:06.000Bulgaria. And as close to zero as you can imagine people sneak from Bulgaria into Romania every single year.
03:52:16.000And it would be nice if people in the United States, instead of hating themselves and hating the country for misdemeanors committed way before any of us existed, if they had the attitude of some of these Eastern European countries.
03:52:29.000I heard, I don't know if it was Viktor Orban of Hungary or a Polish politician, I think it was a Polish politician who said, the Polish border is more than just a line on a map.
03:52:39.000The Polish border was paid for by Polish blood, the souls of Polish men, and we will not take this issue lightly.
03:52:46.000Yeah, it's just absolutely wild and unthinkable.
03:53:08.000Yeah, the West. You know, Americans are being taught to hate themselves, but the Brits already do hate themselves, but not as much as the residents of Australia and New Zealand do.
03:53:17.000And of course, no one matches Canada for masochism.
03:53:19.000So like, this is a thing that's happening.
03:53:25.000Well, the point of it is to destroy your civilization.
03:53:27.000Because all of those, particularly this country, are, you know, countries without a working majority of anybody who has anything inherently in common, racially, ethically, religiously, which is fine.
03:53:40.000I'm just saying, in the absence of an overwhelming majority who have something obvious in common, the only thing that binds the country together is love of country.
03:53:51.000That's all they have is a common culture, which, by the way, begins with a common language.
03:53:55.000And the assault on English, the idea that we should, like, print voting forms in foreign languages, or we can't, that it's, quote, racist to declare English the national language.
03:54:51.000I'm not sure what's happening. Whenever it works, just jump in.
03:54:53.000I want to try to press again on the, Charlie, until your mic works, just jump in what it does.
03:54:58.000Tucker, David, I want to try to press on the Ukraine question.
03:55:04.000David, you've been very vocal about it.
03:55:07.000More and more people are starting to pay attention.
03:55:08.000Do you think that the tide is shifting now?
03:55:11.000Do you think we'll get a peace deal soon?
03:55:13.000David, Tucker, I would love both of your thoughts.
03:55:17.000Well, no, I don't think we're going to get a peace deal because you heard today at the press conference with Biden, Zelensky, that Biden's living in some sort of fantasy land.
03:55:27.000He's still talking about Ukraine joining NATO. I mean, it's like, you know, it's totally contradictory.
03:55:34.000I mean, a few months ago, Biden said that Putin already lost the war.
03:55:37.000Then a couple of days ago, when he needed Republican support to push through more Ukraine funding, he said that if we don't provide this funding, Putin's going to win the war.
03:55:46.000And now today at the press conference with Zelensky, he's saying that Ukraine's being part of NATO. So it's all totally confused.
03:55:53.000But just to connect the topic of Ukraine to the topic of censorship, I want to get Tucker's reaction to this.
03:55:59.000I mean, I personally believe that there are half a million people in Ukraine who are dead right now because we do not have an honest public conversation in the United States.
03:56:10.000If the mainstream media had honestly reported that there was a deal available in the first month of this war to end the war, all we had to agree was for Ukraine not to be part of NATO. Which it never will be anyway, because it's not going to win this war.
03:56:25.000If the mainstream media just reported that, I think the American people would have said, of course we should sign that deal.
03:56:40.000They're on the back foot. The country's been completely destroyed.
03:56:43.000And I look at all of these virtue signalers on Twitter who've been enforcing this narrative.
03:56:50.000The people with the Ukraine flag, on their profiles, the ones by, you know, every day by the thousands who are attacking me for pointing out the truth about this thing, saying somehow that I'm an agent of Putin or whatever.
03:57:01.000I think that if we had an honest conversation on social media or in the mainstream media, this never would have happened.
03:57:30.000And of course, this war wouldn't be still in progress were it not for the Biden administration abetted by the leadership of the Republican Party.
03:57:38.000So, I mean, there's like a direct line between the propaganda, the lying, and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, an entire generation of Ukrainian men.
03:57:48.000I mean, Zelensky just said they're going to call up 40-year-olds.
03:57:50.000What does that tell you? They're no more.
03:57:54.000And I shouldn't chuckle because it's like horrible.
03:57:56.000And really, in the end, it abetted cruelty because that's what we're looking at.
03:58:00.000The people who put – and I'm not talking about your neighbors who got wrapped up in the myth of the ghost of Kiev or we're calling it Kiev and had Zelensky T-shirts.
03:58:10.000They're good-hearted people who thought they were on the right side.
03:58:12.000I get it. I'm talking about the people who pushed this war, who went to the Munich Security Conference, the vice president of the United States, the undersecretary of state, and said to Zelensky, we want you to join NATO, knowing that that was the red line.
03:58:26.000It has to be the red line for a sovereign country, period, meaning Russia.
03:58:30.000You're going to have a war if you do that.
03:58:33.000They wanted a war. And then they created – they destroyed Western Europe's economy by blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
03:58:42.000But the main thing they did was destroy Ukraine.
03:58:50.000I've seen a couple, and it means, like, lots of dead people who shouldn't be dead, and there's no reason for them to die.
03:58:55.000And we now know the Israelis were honest enough, as you remember, Bennett, to say a year ago, over a year ago, yes, there was a peace deal in progress, and it was scuttled by the U.S. That's a massive moral crime.
03:59:08.000Like, the blood of those kids is on their hands.
03:59:11.000I think that. I don't think that's an unfair conclusion to draw from the facts.
03:59:16.000And yet they're running around lecturing us about democracy and how they're on the right side of history.
03:59:21.000The opposite is true. They've committed a horrific crime, and the main victim has been Ukraine, and they're still posing as the defenders of Ukraine.
03:59:29.000I mean, it's, like, mind-boggling to me.
03:59:33.000You know, Tucker, if I could – Tucker, Congresswoman Paulina Luna is on.
03:59:38.000Speaking of Ukraine funding, the floor is yours, Congresswoman.
03:59:41.000Hey, guys. Yeah, I just wanted to speak on that for a minute.
03:59:45.000I actually had gone to Poland and met with the Ukrainian parliament and delegation there.
03:59:51.000And part of the reason why I've been so basically vocal about not giving them any more funding is – and I think that everyone should know this – that what the parliament anticipates and intends is once this war is over, they actually want to take all of the equipment that we've given them and essentially start their own Wagner group.
04:00:09.000And I think that the fact is that the Republican Party as a whole, even McConnell – I mean, many people have been complicit in really just supporting the military-industrial complex in this.
04:00:20.000And frankly, had Trump been in office, I think that this would have never happened.
04:00:24.000I think, frankly, that probably there would have been peace talks.
04:00:26.000And the fact is that no one wants peace talks.
04:00:29.000And that's exactly why Zelensky was in Washington today.
04:00:32.000So, you know, to give you hope for the future, though, I do think that the more people that we can get into office that are not – a part of this problem, we stand a chance at saving this country.
04:00:43.000But there really is a movement that I think is starting to take form now and don't lose hope because this country is worth saving.
04:01:02.000It's – I'm going to say really quick how ashamed I am for how mad I was about being called an agent of Putin and how defensively I was – I've never been to Russia.
04:01:12.000It's like it's not even worth – it's like being called a racist.
04:01:15.000I'm not a racist. I'm not an agent of Putin.
04:01:17.000It's not even worth getting mad about it.
04:01:19.000And in fact, I think the slur is designed to make you mad and designed to channel your attention and your energy into fruitless directions.
04:01:37.000Yeah. I just want to underscore your point, Tucker, about the moral crime.
04:01:41.000I think it's really important to say that all the people who wanted to fight in this war on the Ukrainian side volunteered, you know, over a year ago.
04:01:52.000And very, very sadly, the war has not gone well and the vast majority of them are now dead or incapacitated.
04:02:00.000The people who are now being mobilized or conscripted are all people who didn't want to fight, who are literally hiding in their homes or hiding elsewhere, trying to avoid the draft.
04:02:14.000There have been an abundance of articles now, including from, you know, pro-Ukraine, Western publications, talking about the fact that all the – whatever young people are remaining in the country are in hiding.
04:02:30.000And yet, the talk now is that Zelensky's going to have another wave of mobilization or conscription.
04:02:36.000They're going to round up the students.
04:02:37.000They're going to round up young women.
04:02:38.000They're going to round up the people in their 40s or older.
04:02:42.000And they're going to be fed into this meat grinder of an unwinnable war because, you know, unfortunately, the Russians just have too big an army.
04:02:53.000I mean, this was – should have been really clear before the war even started.
04:02:57.000The Russians' industrial production of artillery shells and other weapons of war is just far too great.
04:03:03.000It's greater than even what the West can produce.
04:03:05.000And so what we're talking about now, if we give Ukraine another 60 billion or whatever, what we're talking about is conscripting people who do not want to fight.
04:03:15.000We're talking about rounding them up at gunpoint and sending them to the front lines.
04:03:20.000And there have been plenty of articles talking about how people are sent to the front lines with only five days of training, no real training.
04:03:27.000And they're being sent there and turned into cannon fodder, being destroyed by Russian artillery.
04:03:34.000I do think it is a moral crime for the United States to persist in this delusion that somehow we're going to add Ukraine to NATO by rounding up whatever is left of young Ukrainians and sending them to the front lines at gunpoint to be destroyed in this artillery war.
04:04:00.000How could this end? You've been – you've mentioned and a lot of people don't want to say the tabby word of a potential World War III. And you're called a fee monger as soon as you mention it.
04:04:09.000Is that still a concern in your opinion?
04:04:11.000And if not, what other options do you think are more likely?
04:04:16.000Well, it's only a concern if the U.S. plays by getting directly involved.
04:04:21.000I don't see the Russians using nuclear weapons because winning the war with conventional weapons.
04:04:27.000So why would they – why would they escalate in that way?
04:04:30.000The great danger actually is that with a crushing defeat that the Biden administration will be doing stupid and seek to get directly involved in the war.
04:04:40.000I think that's probably a low probability event.
04:04:43.000So I'm less concerned about the risk of World War III right now.
04:04:48.000But, you know, I am concerned that we're going to keep this thing going and more people are going to need this and die.
04:04:57.000What's – I mean, I just affirm everything David said, and it's not only true but obviously true.
04:05:04.000What's crazy is that our media are so controlled, our news environment is so North Korean that most Americans thought that Ukraine was going to win without, like, I don't know, consulting Wikipedia that would tell them that Russia has 100 million more people than Ukraine does.
04:05:20.000And it has such deeper industrial capacity that there's, like, no comparison.
04:05:25.000And it has a real army, one of the best in the world.
04:05:38.000And that's really – I mean, it's very distressing to me because if something that big and that obvious can be unknown to the majority of our population, like, what else can they pull on us?
04:05:49.000And the other thing I would say is that it's a little bit strange that the people who are advocating for more literally pointless kills, have somehow seized the moral high ground from people who are calling for a reasonable peace, which will, by necessity, require accommodations.
04:06:17.000But as soon as we start – and we're very good, our leaders are very good about moralizing in the most – the crispest, most black and white terms about foreign conflicts where one side is all good, the other side is all bad.
04:06:27.000And any accommodation is a moral crime.
04:06:31.000Like, once you start talking like that, you're just guaranteeing perpetual war in which other people's children will die.
04:06:37.000And so if you're doing that, you're like, by definition, a bad person in my view.
04:06:41.000And yet the people who question you are somehow – they're the bad people?
04:06:44.000I mean, it really is upside-down world on this and so many other issues.
04:06:47.000But it's just – I never get tired of being shocked by that.
04:06:51.000On this subject, I would like to go back to Congresswoman Polina Luna.
04:06:55.000Will Ukraine funding go through in the House?
04:06:59.000Will the Republican majority hold firm on border funding?
04:07:05.000Well, I know Mike Johnson actually just recently did a speech because Zelensky was up here.
04:07:10.000So I think what's going to happen is I think that they're going to try to join the Ukraine funding with border funding.
04:07:15.000And then they'll put us in a tight spot because there are those of us that don't want to give a dollar more to Ukraine, but then also to – we do absolutely need to secure our own border.
04:07:24.000So I think that's where we're in the position of – but going back to what Tucker said earlier, there are so many people who have basically said that if you don't support Ukraine, that you are somehow empowering Putin and that we are going to be the ones responsible for Ukraine falling when in actuality, when you go there and you see what's literally happening and you realize that it does very much so feel like this is kind of a distraction.
04:07:52.000When you really see what they're planning, it can be very frustrating at times.
04:07:58.000Also, I wonder – thank you, Congressman – I wonder if people have any concept of the harm this has already done to the United States, the sanctions alone.
04:08:06.000When you start seizing the personal property of residents of a country because they're residents of the country without any due process or without even charging them, and you seize billions of dollars of their personal property because they're, quote, oligarchs, with Russian last names, I'm sure some of them are bad people.
04:08:23.000Maybe they're all bad people. But what you're telegraphing when you do that is that the rule of law doesn't apply to you.
04:08:29.000Well, if you're the holder of the world's reserve currency and you're the safe haven for the world, all rich people in the world want to invest in the United States because it's safe because we don't just take people's shit because we don't like them.
04:08:39.000We have a process. If you start doing that, then the rest of the world is like, wait a second.
04:09:42.000I apologize. What I will say about the war in Ukraine is I live just a few hours from the border.
04:09:49.000So, although I'm not a politician, I'm not a member of Congress.
04:09:51.000I'm not as politically well connected as a lot of people on this panel.
04:09:54.000What I will say is I saw a side of this that a lot of Americans didn't see for at least a year until after Russia started its military operation.
04:10:03.000From the first day, from the very first day that Russia rolled across the Ukrainian border, I myself and a few members of my team were personally on the Romania-Ukraine border just a few hours from my house.
04:10:16.000Just helping out, giving shoes, clothes, coats to all the women and children coming across because it was the winter.
04:10:22.000In fact, Tucker, when you were at my house, you saw the massive stockpiles of emergency food supplies I still have because obviously I was arrested halfway through my charity efforts.
04:10:31.000When that first happened, when Ukrainians were first coming across into Romania and speaking to me, I heard a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them and some of them saying, you know, I just wish America had stayed out of our politics.
04:10:45.000I wish America had stayed out of our politics.
04:10:49.000If Americans had stayed out of our politics, this wouldn't be happening.
04:10:52.000And when I voiced my opinions on the internet and I voiced my opinions on, I was still active on Instagram back then and also on some other platforms, Americans who, and people in the West, British, you know, French, who probably couldn't point to Ukraine on a map were telling me I was a liar.
04:11:10.000And I was literally physically on the border myself.
04:11:13.000I've lost three people I know in this conflict.
04:11:16.000Two fighting with the Ukrainians and one who was a young Belarusian man who was a friend of mine who was in Kiev at the time of at the time of the military operation starting and he's vanished.
04:11:24.000So I don't think a lot of people knew what was happening at all until you started telling the American people what was actually happening until you shone all this light on it.
04:11:38.000So it's very, all I can do is I guess personally thank you because the more the American public actually understand what's happening, the more they're going to stand up to funding this pointless forever.
04:11:50.000forever war. It's not going to be a forever war because the Ukraine's running out of men very quickly and the more lives we're going to save.
04:11:56.000So I'd first like to personally thank you for that.
04:11:59.000And I'd also like to let you know, because as I said, I'm currently closest to the border than anyone else maybe on this panel.
04:12:06.000And I've been there myself many times.
04:12:08.000I have moved a lot of orphans, women, kids to the United States, to Europe, paid for flights, hotels, etc.
04:12:18.000Somebody who I came into contact with, just a few months ago, her father is a 51 year old man with no military experience, very little fitness experience.
04:12:26.000In fact, as a whole, he was dragged into this war and conscripted.
04:12:30.000And the first thing she did, the first thing he did, keeping in mind how much money you have given them as Americans, was he asked her to ask me to buy him a Toyota truck for $5,000.
04:12:43.000I believe the United States at the time of him asking had given Ukraine over $20,000 for every single eligible soldier that it was possible that it was possible to conscript within the country.
04:12:53.000And the first thing this man needed when he was dragged into the war was a loan from me to buy himself a Toyota truck.
04:13:01.000And I told the person, frankly, with a tear in my eye that I had no intention of buying him a truck that's going to end up as his grave because the Russians are going to destroy that Toyota truck and kill her stepfather, essentially.
04:13:15.000So where has all the money gone if the soldiers are asking me to take the money?
04:13:19.000I know you've got a couple of minutes left.
04:13:22.000Can you hear me, Tucker? I hear you perfectly.
04:13:25.000Thank you. I've got a final question for you.
04:13:28.000And I think one you'll enjoy answering.
04:13:31.000You saw the format with Spaces, and obviously you've been on Twitter for a few months.
04:13:36.000And you've also talked about the death of mainstream media, especially with the launch of networks like yours.
04:13:42.000So I want to get your thoughts on what Elon has built.
04:13:44.000I know you talked about it a bit earlier.
04:13:46.000And the whole structure of Spaces, how you never know who could jump in.
04:13:49.000You're talking about one topic, and you have someone related to that topic.
04:13:51.000Just jump on. You have a discussion with them.
04:13:53.000And then your experience on X over the last few months as well.
04:13:58.000And then your plans with your network.
04:14:00.000Maybe it's a good way to wrap it up as well.
04:14:28.000In this case, I think it's liberating and great.
04:14:30.000But I've never been on Twitter Spaces before.
04:14:33.000I think it's, or X Spaces, I think it's incredibly cool.
04:14:36.000And I'm coming back. But again, I think what Elon has done, I see it in larger terms.
04:14:42.000Like, I think he's making democracy possible.
04:14:45.000And it's kind of funny that, you know, a foreign-born guy, I mean, I guess it's, often the way it works.
04:14:50.000People, you know, a lot of good people, as much as I'm foreclosing the borders, a lot of good people show up in this country, and they come here because they really believe in its promises.
04:14:59.000And some of them try to uphold those promises, and Elon's one of them.
04:15:02.000So God bless him. We're doing something, as I said at the outset, I'll make it very quick, but we're trying to build a news company that's enduring.
04:15:11.000We're doing it on a subscription model.
04:15:14.000I mean, most of the stuff, you'll see at least part of it on X forever, because I love the platform.
04:15:21.000But we're creating a whole bunch of stuff and hiring a bunch of people, and somebody needs to be covering all these stories that aren't covered.
04:15:28.000And the last thing I'll say, my greatest frustration with the news is not simply that it's biased, you know, that it's serving power rather than challenging and holding it accountable, which is its job, but that it's tedious and boring and repetitive, and that it's incurious.
04:15:44.000They're not interested in the world and what's happening, and this is an amazing time.
04:15:48.000And so the number of stories that don't get covered is totally ignored, or there's some clip here or somebody texts you, do you know this?
04:15:54.000What? And it's never even acknowledged by big news organizations and acknowledged only, you know, on a surface level by social media.
04:16:04.000Somebody needs to be following up on that stuff, and that's what we're going to do.
04:17:02.000And so what you're building is as valuable as what anyone is doing here and honestly complements what Elon is doing.
04:17:09.000It does seem that you are beloved at Fox and obviously by your audience.
04:17:15.000Greg Gutfeld continues to violate the ban on your name at Fox News.
04:17:21.000Greg Gutfeld regularly name drops you and also most recently says, you know, if you want to look at how bad advertisers can become, two words for you, Tucker Carlson.
04:17:32.000Violating, again, the black list of your name on Fox.
04:17:36.000So your message, your final sign off to Greg and your thoughts on having such a loyal staff.
04:17:42.000Well, I love my staff and I mean, they're always at my house.
04:17:54.000So, you know, these are people I really love.
04:17:56.000I would never work with anyone I didn't trust or love and my wife didn't feel the same way about and she definitely does.
04:18:02.000And so, yeah, we're unusually close to everyone and almost all of them came and I'm really grateful for that.
04:18:10.000And in general, I pride myself on getting along really well with people I actually know and I pride myself as well on being hated by people who don't know me.
04:20:12.000I like that we had 20,000 people watching here at exactly the same time.
04:20:17.000It's very cool. I was pulling about a third of their audience just here on Rumble, which, of course, is a massive, massive part of the fight for free speech.