Tate Speech - Interview: Andrew Tate & Troy Francis

00:00:00.000 Well, good afternoon and welcome to a historic episode of the Troy Francis podcast, which we are simultaneously recording on audio and also on visual because I have a very special guest with me today, which is the one, the only Mr. Andrew Tate.

00:00:24.000 Good to be here, brother.

00:00:24.000 Good to be here.

00:00:25.000 Good to meet you.

00:00:26.000 Good to see you, man.

00:00:26.000 Good to finally meet after, it's been a little while, hasn't it?

00:00:29.000 It's been a while.

00:00:29.000 I've been on, how long have I, because I've definitely followed you with my first Twitter, and then I'm on my fifth now.

00:00:35.000 So, it's been a while.

00:00:37.000 Like, I keep disappearing, coming back, disappearing, coming back.

00:00:41.000 But now you're back and you're on the Ascendance even more than ever.

00:00:44.000 So, it's looking good, man.

00:00:45.000 It's looking good.

00:00:46.000 But I'm assuming that everybody watching this and listening to this knows who Andrew is. 0.99

00:00:50.000 And if you don't, then where the fuck have you been? 0.96

00:00:53.000 But basically, four times kickboxing world champion. 0.98

00:00:56.000 I think I'm correct in saying that.

00:00:57.000 22 girls have their names tattooed. 0.86

00:01:00.000 Your names, sorry, tattooed on their body.

00:01:02.000 Is that correct?

00:01:03.000 That is correct, yeah.

00:01:04.000 That's an accolade.

00:01:07.000 Four living girlfriends.

00:01:08.000 Four living girlfriends.

00:01:10.000 Awesome.

00:01:11.000 You drive supercars all around Europe.

00:01:14.000 You've been dubbed the real-life James Bond.

00:01:16.000 Yeah, I definitely have that.

00:01:19.000 Teenagers dream of like cars, girls, money, you know, like I've got it and I'm definitely a feminist's worst nightmare. 1.00

00:01:28.000 They imagine a toxically masculine six-foot-four fighting guy with his Lambo full of honeys.

00:01:33.000 I am the ultimate toxically masculine.

00:01:36.000 Absolutely, and that's why we're holed up in this Very anonymous, discreet hotel room somewhere in London because what we're going to be talking about today could be so shocking that the authorities might burst in at any moment.

00:01:48.000 It's happening before, man.

00:01:50.000 It's happening before.

00:01:51.000 They've knocked my door down before for less.

00:01:52.000 So if you guys hear a knock on the door and the cops coming in.

00:01:56.000 In the black and everything then.

00:01:57.000 We told too much truth.

00:02:00.000 Exactly, exactly.

00:02:01.000 So anyway, let's get into it.

00:02:03.000 So I wanted to kick off, so talking about your, the James Bond sort of lifestyle, I thought we'd kick off with a quotation from Mr. Jay-Z.

00:02:11.000 So he says, this is from his classic hit, I think this was what, 96, Big Pimping?

00:02:16.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:02:17.000 He says, you know I thug them, fuck them, love them, leave them, because I don't fucking need them. 1.00

00:02:23.000 Take them out the hood, keep them looking good, but I don't fucking feed them. 1.00

00:02:26.000 First time they fuss I'm breezing, talking about what's the reasons. 1.00

00:02:29.000 I'm a pimp in every sense of the word, bitch. 1.00

00:02:31.000 Better trust and believe them. 1.00

00:02:33.000 Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty good line.

00:02:35.000 Do you identify with that?

00:02:36.000 Yeah, the thing is, firstly, I'll just say that I don't like Jay-Z, but the line is good.

00:02:43.000 And also, when you listen to Pimp by 50 Cent, it shows he certainly knows something about the game as well, because there's a few lines in there that really resonate with me.

00:02:52.000 I think one of the lines is, these guys are by the bar trying to get a drink about her, Yeah um I'm the guy uh something uh I'm the guy trying to get my some money out versus something I can't remember the exact line which fucked it up in the podcast but the point is when everyone else was looking just to get sex if you make money from women you're that is a complete side That's a bonus, a sidetrack.

00:03:13.000 You're focusing purely on the funds.

00:03:15.000 And where I've run these businesses, I've run strip clubs, I've run webcam companies, after you start doing it, your perception does change.

00:03:22.000 You see a beautiful girl in the club and you're like, okay, yeah, I want her. 0.78

00:03:25.000 But also she's worth, you start looking at them with a price tag attached.

00:03:28.000 You start thinking, that can make me money.

00:03:31.000 And you get to a point where you have a choice. 1.00

00:03:33.000 People say, okay, or you have a girl and you're like, okay, Do I want the money or do I want to fuck her? 1.00

00:03:38.000 And eventually you get to a point you're like, well, I just, I really, I just want the money. 1.00

00:03:41.000 Like sex is okay.

00:03:42.000 I've got to keep her happy.

00:03:43.000 And you know, we've got to stay together.

00:03:44.000 She has to think I care about her or whatever, whatever.

00:03:46.000 But the sex is just completely sidetracked. 1.00

00:03:48.000 So that, that line, what he's trying to say is I fuck them because I have to, but they pissed me off. 1.00

00:03:52.000 They're gone. 1.00

00:03:53.000 And this is really all about the cash.

00:03:54.000 And that's, that's the reality of the job.

00:03:56.000 And in those kinds of industries, I mean.

00:03:57.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:03:58.000 And you get to a point, I guess, where this, you've got so much, what they would call abundance that it goes beyond, Probably even the fucking Almost Gets Boring in the end. 0.50

00:04:06.000 Well, absolutely.

00:04:07.000 But also, the way you reward... If we're going to talk about... I ran a strip club for a short time.

00:04:13.000 Didn't make too much money.

00:04:14.000 Where was that?

00:04:15.000 That was in Romania.

00:04:16.000 But in webcamming, I made a lot of money.

00:04:19.000 And at one point, I had 75 girls working for me. 1.00

00:04:22.000 It was ridiculous.

00:04:23.000 And now I have a lot less.

00:04:24.000 But in the webcam industry, you can't motivate girls with money. 1.00

00:04:29.000 If you motivate girls with money, Especially like, let's look at pimping, for example. 1.00

00:04:33.000 If you motivate girls with money, you're going to have problems. 1.00

00:04:35.000 And that's for two reasons.

00:04:36.000 One, because you want all the money.

00:04:37.000 You speak to any pimp, they get the money.

00:04:39.000 And secondly, if you motivate a girl with money, all you're doing is you're teaching her to be greedy.

00:04:43.000 And if she learns to be greedy, then she's going to start thinking, why am I giving him anything?

00:04:47.000 Why am I even giving him a cut?

00:04:48.000 So you don't want them to be money motivated.

00:04:50.000 They have to be motivated through attention and love.

00:04:53.000 And what's the easiest way to give a girl attention and love? 1.00

00:04:55.000 Well, it's to fuck her. 1.00

00:04:56.000 Especially if you're busy. 1.00

00:04:57.000 If you're busy, this is true.

00:04:59.000 If you have lots of girls and you're busy, trust me, I lived this life.

00:05:03.000 If you have lots of girls and you're busy and you have maybe 45 minutes to spend with a girl, how can you give her as much focused attention and love, because that's all they want, in 45 minutes?

00:05:12.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:05:13.000 If you sit there and have a coffee, it's not potent enough.

00:05:17.000 It takes too long.

00:05:18.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:05:19.000 So when you're in this job, you end up just sleeping with them.

00:05:21.000 Oh, I've got to go to work, baby.

00:05:22.000 Okay, love you.

00:05:22.000 Kiss.

00:05:23.000 Bang.

00:05:23.000 And that's enough to keep them happy, and they go back to work.

00:05:25.000 Excellent.

00:05:26.000 I can do it quicker than 45 minutes as well.

00:05:27.000 Even better.

00:05:28.000 I've got a job to do, bro.

00:05:29.000 Good stuff.

00:05:31.000 Okay, so let's talk about your approach to women and sort of what they call game, I suppose. 1.00

00:05:36.000 Although I think we go beyond game with you, really.

00:05:39.000 But I mean, I sort of come from a PUA background, so I used to write for Return of Kings and all of that sort of stuff.

00:05:44.000 And I've met quite a few of the, you know, the big name players and all that stuff.

00:05:49.000 But you've sort of spoken out Sort of critically, maybe half-jokingly, about the PUA industry.

00:05:54.000 Yeah.

00:05:54.000 And you obviously have a much more, sort of, holistic view of this.

00:05:57.000 So, what would your concerns be with pick-up as a discipline?

00:06:01.000 So, I ended up in the pick-up sphere by accident.

00:06:03.000 Like, I started at Twitter.

00:06:05.000 I was a fighter.

00:06:06.000 I wasn't really... I forgot to click my verification email.

00:06:10.000 Like, literally, I didn't give a shit about Twitter until Trump got elected and then it was too much fun to piss off the Liberals and I ended up on Twitter. 0.95

00:06:15.000 And I kind of end up in this sphere on accident. 0.98

00:06:17.000 And I didn't really know PUA was too much of a thing until I learned about it.

00:06:20.000 And I don't think PUA as a whole is bad.

00:06:23.000 Absolutely not.

00:06:24.000 I do think though that one, there's a lot of people who, especially online, are lying.

00:06:29.000 Yeah.

00:06:30.000 And two, I think it's only a very small portion of the whole package.

00:06:36.000 Yeah.

00:06:36.000 And I think I get this from my job.

00:06:38.000 So when I was, I'll say pimping because it was webcam, but it was essentially what it was.

00:06:43.000 When I was pimping, you pick up a girl, but if you get a high value asset, like a girl, because that's what a beautiful woman is. 1.00

00:06:49.000 A beautiful woman's a high value asset. 0.98

00:06:50.000 It's like having a Ferrari.

00:06:51.000 You walk down the street with a beautiful woman.

00:06:52.000 It's like driving a Lambo.

00:06:54.000 Everyone's staring at you.

00:06:55.000 So if you pick up a high value asset, In the pimp game, you need to learn how to control her and retain her.

00:06:59.000 You need to make her do as you say, and you have to keep her. 0.99

00:07:02.000 You have to keep her regardless, in spite of the fact that you cheat, you're busy, you take all her money, you make her do something she doesn't want to do, and she still has to stay with you.

00:07:11.000 So to me, that's what the game was. 0.99

00:07:13.000 There was a lot of the pickup artists were like, okay, you get this girl and you fuck her. 1.00

00:07:16.000 And I'm like, okay, and then what? 1.00

00:07:17.000 Like, is that it?

00:07:18.000 Is that the game over for you?

00:07:19.000 Whereas me, I was much more like, I'd rather have five 10 out of 10 beauty queens living in my house who all adore me, then go out every night and pick up new random sevens. 1.00

00:07:29.000 And I guess that's where my criticism comes from because a lot of the guys, I think, they teach the first segment and I'm like, okay, cool.

00:07:36.000 But to me, you're missing the whole other end of the game.

00:07:39.000 Yes.

00:07:40.000 You know?

00:07:41.000 Is there an issue then, do you think?

00:07:42.000 Because I suppose what game always was, was this idea that the ordinary guy in the street could effectively pretend to be the alpha male.

00:07:50.000 So do you think the problem is that what a lot of the pick-up guys are doing is getting people to fake it in the first, you know, on the approach and maybe on the, you know, take her back and bang her, but then after that they can't keep up the facade?

00:08:01.000 Whereas obviously For you, you've obviously got the rest of the package as well.

00:08:05.000 That's exactly it.

00:08:06.000 And that's the problem with games.

00:08:07.000 You're right.

00:08:08.000 If you imitate, if you pretend to be a certain way, and we're not even talking financials, because I picked up a girl when I had no fucking money, but I was still a fighter and I was still ambitious and I had self-respect and all these other things that they like.

00:08:19.000 But you're right.

00:08:19.000 If you imitate a certain type of person to get the girl, over the long term, they're going to work out you're not the type of person they thought you were and you're going to lose them.

00:08:26.000 And that's the thing with game.

00:08:27.000 A lot of it, it's imitation.

00:08:28.000 And when guys come to me and they say, oh, how do I get girls?

00:08:30.000 I'm like, become a better guy.

00:08:32.000 Absolutely, genuinely become one, then you haven't got to pretend to be one.

00:08:36.000 And then it's easy, to me, I just think it's easier to become higher value.

00:08:40.000 And I'm not just talking finances, I'm talking the whole spectrum, you know?

00:08:43.000 Well, that's, no, that's fair enough.

00:08:44.000 And I think to be fair to the game guys, I think actually a lot of the message has always been, yes, you can learn these techniques and you can fake it to make it, but then at the same time, you need to be improving yourself.

00:08:54.000 You need to be, you know, becoming a better guy in all of these different ways.

00:08:58.000 But I still think there's something slightly different with What you're talking about, which I wonder whether is going to be applicable to every guy, because what I think you're talking about is this almost like iceberg, slim, sort of like... Yeah.

00:09:16.000 You know, it's almost slightly dark in a way.

00:09:18.000 Psychology is dark.

00:09:19.000 Female psychology is dark. 1.00

00:09:20.000 Now, the average guy in the street who's just like, well, I just want to meet a girlfriend.

00:09:24.000 It's like, is that guy ever going to become... Of course.

00:09:26.000 Of course. 1.00

00:09:26.000 Not everyone's going to become a fucking webcam pimp. 1.00

00:09:30.000 Because that's a difficult job to pull off. 0.99

00:09:33.000 But my view on it is as follows.

00:09:35.000 I say this to a lot of guys.

00:09:36.000 I say, even if you don't want to be a webcam pimp, even if you don't want to be a playboy, even if you just want to get married and have a nice girlfriend, in the modern world, you need to sleep with 20 girls to find a good one.

00:09:46.000 You know as well as me.

00:09:48.000 There's some chicks that are just broken and not worth the effort. 1.00

00:09:51.000 If you're getting one girl a year, you're going to end up sticking with her and she might be fucking pain in the ass. 1.00

00:09:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:56.000 Like, so even me at my level, I'll sleep with a girl, and I have my own little ways, and I teach this in one of my courses, but my own little ways of detecting if she's quality or not. 1.00

00:10:05.000 If they're giving me red flags, I'll just bail and find another one.

00:10:07.000 So even if you want to be just a normal dude, you still need to have the ability to pick up lots of girls, because you've got to find a good one, which is the first thing.

00:10:15.000 And in the modern world, you've got to get through a whole bunch of apples to find an apple that's not rotten.

00:10:19.000 And the second thing is, then when you get her, how do you keep her?

00:10:22.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.000 And I guess, yeah, I know not everyone's going to get to my point where they're pimping girls and whatever, whatever.

00:10:28.000 But I still think there's important levels of the psychology, which game, I don't know, I just read the day game accounts. 0.99

00:10:33.000 It's like, went to the mall, went up to a girl, went to the mall, went up to a girl, fuck this girl, another notch. 0.87

00:10:38.000 And there's nothing more about, if you get arrested, is she going to come visit you in prison? 0.99

00:10:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:43.000 Like, if you have a financial trouble, will she sell her car to give you the money?

00:10:47.000 Like, all the other things I can do, I don't see none of these other guys talking about.

00:10:51.000 And to me, I just think that's a huge level of the game that's missing.

00:10:54.000 I like knowing I've got my women who love me, for real, you know?

00:10:56.000 Yeah, because what you're talking about is, I suppose, I think it was, was it McQueen who called it deep conversion?

00:11:01.000 It's almost like this really, like, getting inside... Devotion!

00:11:04.000 Devotion, yeah.

00:11:05.000 Which nobody else, and you're right, nobody else talks about that as far as I know, because It's the pimp's skill in being able to completely dominate that woman to the point that she's absolutely hopelessly in love with you.

00:11:18.000 Absolutely.

00:11:19.000 And the thing is, it's seen, like you said, it's seen as very dark, but in pimping, you see you have a gorilla pimp, and gorilla pimping's pimping through fear and intimidation.

00:11:28.000 But that's very short term.

00:11:29.000 You can't intimidate someone into doing something they don't want to do forever.

00:11:32.000 Yeah.

00:11:32.000 You know?

00:11:32.000 And especially when they're making money, because they'll make money and just fucking stop answering the phone and disappear one day.

00:11:36.000 Yeah.

00:11:36.000 So, it's actually not about that.

00:11:37.000 It's about, like you're saying, it's love and devotion and it's done through positivity and it's done through them thinking, I don't want a million dollars if I don't have a million dollars and him.

00:11:46.000 I'd rather have him than the money.

00:11:47.000 Yeah.

00:11:47.000 And it is that deep conversion and that's how they end up getting the tattoos and stuff.

00:11:50.000 This isn't me going up to girls saying, you better get a tattoo.

00:11:53.000 It's zero percent like that.

00:11:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:11:54.000 She's like, I love you.

00:11:55.000 I was like, well, how do I know you actually love me?

00:11:56.000 Should I love you forever?

00:11:57.000 I said, well, prove it.

00:11:58.000 Do a tattoo.

00:11:58.000 Yeah.

00:11:59.000 Oh, but how do I know you're not going to leave me?

00:12:00.000 Why would I leave you if you misbehave?

00:12:02.000 Okay, they want to.

00:12:04.000 There's no forcing involved.

00:12:07.000 And you're right, that real deep conversion is something that I think is necessary for every man, even if you want one woman. 0.98

00:12:14.000 If you're going to get a wife, I see on Twitter, man, I see these dudes and their wives leaving them and they're taking all the money and all that shit.

00:12:20.000 I've had court cases where six of my girlfriends have turned up and not one of them's turned on me. 0.97

00:12:26.000 Any one of them could have put me in jail.

00:12:28.000 And they found out about the other girls on the day of court case and still didn't turn on me. 0.98

00:12:31.000 So like, I'm not saying I'm some fucking Superman. 0.84

00:12:34.000 I'm just saying that I've always focused on not just getting the girls. 0.97

00:12:38.000 Once I get them, that's the beginning of the project for me.

00:12:40.000 I want everything else afterwards to have that true devotion. 0.99

00:12:43.000 Because that's what I'm more interested in than fucking lots of girls. 1.00

00:12:46.000 I've had a lot. 0.99

00:12:47.000 But that's my genuine, my hobby is knowing I've got the ride or dies.

00:12:51.000 That's what I'm here to see.

00:12:52.000 And that was one because of the business and it made me money and two because, I don't know, it's just the way I'm wired now.

00:12:56.000 Yeah, no, absolutely.

00:12:57.000 And I think, aside from yourself as an example, when I see other guys who do this kind of thing, when I've met girls who've been obsessed with a particular guy, it tends to be because They've got inside her psychology in a way.

00:13:12.000 And it usually is to do with the fact that the guy is completely prepared to walk away. 0.99

00:13:16.000 And sometimes it's to do with the fact the guy will say, well, actually, I'm fucking other girls and they're hotter than you. 1.00

00:13:21.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:22.000 And then the girl is obsessed with him.

00:13:24.000 There has to be a fear of loss.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:26.000 There has to be a fear of loss of anything.

00:13:28.000 This is not just game, but in general, everything has a value because of fear of loss. 0.99

00:13:31.000 So my very basic tenet when I say about relationships is that women don't want to fuck a guy they don't respect. 0.98

00:13:38.000 Women don't have to like you. 1.00

00:13:40.000 Women can dislike you. 1.00

00:13:41.000 But if they respect you, they'll still fuck you. 1.00

00:13:44.000 So it's all about respect. 1.00

00:13:45.000 So if you don't respect yourself, how is she going to respect you?

00:13:47.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:13:48.000 So if she's giving you shit and you're taking it and you don't respect yourself, well, then that's the whole thing. 1.00

00:13:52.000 It's over. 1.00

00:13:53.000 Trump said it in the art of the deal.

00:13:55.000 You have to be prepared to walk away.

00:13:56.000 Yeah.

00:13:57.000 And a lot of guys say they're prepared to walk away until it comes time to walk away.

00:14:02.000 And then they're a bit like, oh, she's hot or da da da.

00:14:05.000 Yeah.

00:14:05.000 And you know, and you don't want to.

00:14:06.000 And hey, man, fucking Forget the whole hard man shit. 0.99

00:14:10.000 I've walked away from chicks who were fucking 10 out of 10, and I didn't want to leave, and I didn't want to walk away, but I just did it. 1.00

00:14:15.000 I had to do it because I knew... 0.71

00:14:18.000 My view is very much like this.

00:14:19.000 I look at the world like a chessboard because I'm a chess player.

00:14:21.000 Yes.

00:14:22.000 And if you don't play chess, maybe this is a bad analogy, but if you've got a position and it's a losing position, and sooner or later your opponent's going to grind you down and you're going to lose.

00:14:33.000 But the only hope you have is to sacrifice a piece, for example, and to play a crazy move.

00:14:38.000 It might work, it might not work.

00:14:39.000 But if you don't play the move, you're going to lose.

00:14:41.000 It's just going to take longer.

00:14:42.000 So for me, it's like, well you play the move, and if it doesn't work out, fine, because you were always going to lose.

00:14:48.000 But most people are too afraid to pull the plug and force the action, and they'd rather just let it slowly happen. 0.97

00:14:55.000 Their girlfriend will start to disrespect them, they'll take the shit, their girl stops listening, their girl starts getting friends, going out with their friends all the time, she's not listening, they're telling her not to, she won't do as they say, and they're just sitting there going, it'll be alright, it'll be okay, it'll be okay. 0.99

00:15:08.000 Eventually, they catch her cheating. 0.99

00:15:10.000 Whereas me, I would have said, you're not going out with them people.

00:15:12.000 Don't tell me what to do.

00:15:13.000 If you go out with that, I'm leaving.

00:15:16.000 I would force the move because it might pull off.

00:15:19.000 Sometimes the girl will sit there and go, ah, and when she's forced to choose, she might choose you.

00:15:24.000 Then you win.

00:15:25.000 Whereas most people give up their chance to win just to elongate the certainty of defeat.

00:15:30.000 And I don't understand why.

00:15:31.000 Do you know where I'm coming from?

00:15:33.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:15:33.000 Because I think that's an issue in game sort of per se really, which is that guys want to stay Guys sort of would rather stay in uncertainty or they'd rather stay in a comfortable situation rather than making themselves uncomfortable.

00:15:45.000 So that could even go from the approach, you know, well there's a really hot girl over there but I'm not going to approach her because she might tell me to fuck off. 1.00

00:15:51.000 And then you get the same thing, then you're with the girl and you're like, well I kind of want to go away with my mates for three months to Thailand but I'm not going to do it because she might dump me. 0.96

00:15:59.000 And it's always this desire to stay comfortable. 0.99

00:16:02.000 I get the impression with you, you're very much fuck comfort. 0.99

00:16:06.000 Yeah, I'm just very... I'm very, very... My view of women is a protective one, and it's a patriarchal one, and it's not a misogynist or negative one. 0.98

00:16:15.000 No.

00:16:15.000 It's a... I'm in charge.

00:16:17.000 This is my life.

00:16:19.000 I'm the train on the tracks.

00:16:21.000 You cannot divert me.

00:16:22.000 You cannot tell me what to do.

00:16:23.000 You cannot... It's not like a car that can take different things.

00:16:26.000 A train's on a track, and it goes in one fucking direction. 0.98

00:16:28.000 You either get on the train, or you don't. 0.99

00:16:30.000 Yeah.

00:16:30.000 You know?

00:16:31.000 That's how it is.

00:16:31.000 It's very much like, I'm doing this.

00:16:33.000 You're doing this.

00:16:33.000 I don't want to.

00:16:34.000 Okay, bye.

00:16:35.000 This is how I am.

00:16:37.000 And that's one, because I had the ability to find replacements.

00:16:40.000 And two, because of the industry I was in.

00:16:42.000 I wanted girls to do something they'd never done before, which is get naked on camera to pay me money. 1.00

00:16:48.000 And if they were saying no, then I had to be like, okay, bye.

00:16:50.000 Because it's a business.

00:16:52.000 Out of interest though, were you always like that?

00:16:54.000 Or was this something that you acquired over the years?

00:16:56.000 Was there like a blue pill, Andrew, sort of back in the day?

00:16:59.000 Like, oh my God.

00:17:00.000 Hey man, everyone's fallen in love with girls. 0.94

00:17:02.000 Everyone's had their heart broken. 1.00

00:17:04.000 Anyone who says they're not is fucking lying. 0.99

00:17:06.000 I was definitely never Blue Pill. 0.99

00:17:09.000 I was always realistic about the world.

00:17:11.000 I was always understanding.

00:17:13.000 One of my girlfriends, when I was about 23, she started dancing in this club.

00:17:16.000 And I said, I don't want you dancing in the club. 0.97

00:17:17.000 And she goes, well, I need money.

00:17:19.000 Have you got any?

00:17:19.000 And I didn't.

00:17:20.000 So it was harder for me then.

00:17:22.000 And I was like, oh, well, I don't want you dancing there.

00:17:24.000 Anyway, and this is where I learned my move, I should have done a takeaway.

00:17:27.000 Anyway, so I said to her then, I said, look, you either dance at the club or you're gonna stay, or you dance at the club and we split up, or you stay with me and you don't.

00:17:36.000 And even my brother said at the time, he goes, why are you being so extreme? 0.55

00:17:38.000 I was like, there is no way on a long term, this girl who was a fucking 10, she was the head of a ballet school in Cambridge. 0.92

00:17:46.000 I'll find a picture of her and I'll show you. 0.97

00:17:47.000 She was a 10. 0.98

00:17:47.000 There's no way this 10 is gonna go to the top London club, Three, four times a week, every night, drinking champagne with millionaires while I sit here broke and her love for me is going to stop her fucking one of them guys. 0.98

00:17:59.000 On a long enough time scale, I'm going to lose. 0.92

00:18:02.000 So now I either have to force my hand or thing.

00:18:05.000 Anyway, she chose to go dance.

00:18:07.000 So I did it.

00:18:08.000 So whatever.

00:18:09.000 I didn't back down.

00:18:09.000 I stuck to my word.

00:18:11.000 Only two weeks later, I saw her on David Hayes' Instagram.

00:18:14.000 Now, the point is this.

00:18:16.000 If I was with her, would she have still gone in David Hayes' Ferrari? 0.99

00:18:19.000 Of course she fucking would have. 1.00

00:18:21.000 I mean, like, so, at least I got to walk away with my honor. 0.99

00:18:23.000 Yeah.

00:18:23.000 You know?

00:18:24.000 It's like, you know what? 1.00

00:18:24.000 Fuck you, bye. 1.00

00:18:25.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:18:25.000 So I'm still happy I made the right choice, as opposed to going, oh, maybe it'll be okay, baby. 1.00

00:18:29.000 Okay, you just go to London and dance with all the millionaires, and I'll just sit here and work my job.

00:18:33.000 Yeah.

00:18:33.000 You know?

00:18:34.000 So, one of it is, even when I was blue pill, because I was upset about losing her, but I never fucking told her. 0.92

00:18:39.000 I just, you know, I kept my straight face, but. 0.69

00:18:41.000 Yeah.

00:18:41.000 I always kind of knew the rules to the game and another thing is I was lucky that I always had fighting so I always had this higher purpose so I could always distract myself.

00:18:51.000 I wouldn't let a girl get in my head because I always had a fight to worry about so I was like alright whatever. 1.00

00:18:55.000 I think ultimately that's got to be more important hasn't it?

00:18:57.000 The higher purpose over and above women. 1.00

00:18:59.000 Absolutely because if you're going to let a woman fuck with your head and you're not going to train properly then you can get your ass kicked. 1.00

00:19:04.000 Yes. 1.00

00:19:05.000 And that just makes everything worse.

00:19:06.000 So fighting was the one thing that always kept me grounded where no matter what happened with a girl, I had to go to the gym, I had to train, I had to prepare, I had to be mentally ready. 0.97

00:19:14.000 So it always kept me Even in my early days, I was always red-pilled because I was always like, okay, if you're gonna be stupid, I've got a fight, so bye. 0.93

00:19:21.000 I was always like that.

00:19:23.000 So coming off of that, can we turn our attention to what you think about relationships and monogamy in general?

00:19:31.000 Because on Twitter, I see a lot of these sort of like TradCon, you know, kind of guys who are sort of like, yeah man, it's all about getting married and growing a beard.

00:19:40.000 Having the White House with the picket fence, it's gone back to this sort of like very traditional idea that that is the alpha girl.

00:19:46.000 Yeah.

00:19:47.000 Now, I mean, I understand on the one hand, you've got your, you come from quite a traditional sort of sense in this, in the fact, you know, family's very important to you and everything else.

00:19:56.000 And that's, that's fine.

00:19:58.000 But on the other hand, I do think these guys are being a bit naive because it almost seems as if they've learned nothing from all of this red pill stuff.

00:20:04.000 Yeah.

00:20:04.000 They've learned almost nothing.

00:20:05.000 And they say, Oh yeah, well, if you're just If you're just alpha enough within the marriage, within the relationship, then, you know, she will love you forever and it'll all be fine.

00:20:14.000 I wonder what your thoughts on that are because the way you described it, even you as Andrew Tate, I mean okay it was a few years ago, but even you with a girl who was going out dancing you ended up having to cut that off because female nature is what it is. 1.00

00:20:28.000 Yeah, absolutely and my view on the whole marriage and stuff, I'm very much have your cake and eat it.

00:20:33.000 People, there's no...

00:20:34.000 Most people don't seem to think you can do both, and I do believe you can do both.

00:20:37.000 My view of it is as follows.

00:20:40.000 I want kids.

00:20:40.000 I'm going to have kids this year or next.

00:20:42.000 I want kids.

00:20:43.000 I want a woman who loves me.

00:20:45.000 But I'm absolutely never going to be faithful to one woman. 0.99

00:20:47.000 That is the reality.

00:20:49.000 And I am very open about that fact.

00:20:51.000 Even the girls I'm going to have.

00:20:53.000 I have five girls I can call right now and say we're having kids and they start crying tears of joy.

00:20:57.000 Right now.

00:20:58.000 And whoever I choose to have kids with, she knows I'm never going to be faithful.

00:21:02.000 Because, you know, so I see, yeah, you can have a family.

00:21:05.000 Yeah, you can have a woman who loves you.

00:21:06.000 Yeah, you can take care of your kids.

00:21:08.000 But I don't really think you have to cut off being a full grown man.

00:21:11.000 You're a man. 0.96

00:21:12.000 There's no man who wants to sit and change diapers with his wife who's now fat and ugly and that wants to be his life. 0.99

00:21:23.000 He doesn't want to do that. 0.87

00:21:24.000 Men are not biologically designed to do that.

00:21:26.000 Men are biologically designed to If you look at the human history and evolution, every man had multiple women and they got them pregnant and they found another younger model and that was how men have always been. 0.63

00:21:35.000 So yeah, I'm going to have kids, I'm going to have family, but I'm always going to have some fresh new 19 year old in my phone.

00:21:42.000 And I'm just never going to lie about that fact. 0.99

00:21:44.000 And I think if you find women who truly love you, like we were talking earlier with the deep conversion, I don't hide the fact that I fuck other girls. 0.99

00:21:50.000 My girls know. 0.99

00:21:51.000 They know.

00:21:52.000 They may not like it, they may get jealous, they may cry, but they don't leave.

00:21:57.000 And it probably increases the attraction.

00:21:59.000 Of course it does, man. 1.00

00:22:01.000 You can be fucking your main girl, telling her you cheated on her last night, I guarantee she'll love it. 1.00

00:22:06.000 Afterwards she'll be mad, but during the time she'll like it. 0.99

00:22:10.000 You can reach that level where I really think, yeah, kids are important, yeah, having women who truly love you is important, but I don't think you need to completely go that trad and con at all.

00:22:18.000 I know that I'm gonna, I'm never gonna change, you know?

00:22:21.000 Yeah, because I just think it's, I think guys are either kidding themselves or they're being sometimes dishonest in saying, because I don't believe men are monogamous, fundamentally.

00:22:30.000 I think fundamentally every guy, regardless of if he's married or got a girlfriend or whatever, if a hot 21 year old, 19 year old walked past him and he had the opportunity to have sex with her and no one would find out. 0.99

00:22:41.000 He would fucking do it. 0.99

00:22:42.000 Agree. 0.99

00:22:43.000 So I think that's the bottom line of it.

00:22:45.000 So when guys say, Oh, I've, you know, I've done my player years and now I'm just going to, I'm going to find the one and settle down.

00:22:50.000 It's sort of like, well, you're saying that, but really that's, is that, you know, exactly.

00:22:54.000 Is that's not what you want.

00:22:56.000 And you're, you're, you're, you're, You're giving her monogamy.

00:22:59.000 You're giving her exclusivity in return for love, loyalty, and children.

00:23:03.000 And I believe you can get love, loyalty, and children without giving up your monogamy.

00:23:07.000 I believe you can do it all.

00:23:08.000 And I've seen other people who do it.

00:23:10.000 I've seen it done.

00:23:11.000 I live in Eastern Europe.

00:23:12.000 In Eastern Europe, this is common. 0.91

00:23:14.000 In Eastern Europe, if you see like a Romanian girl and she's with like a high-level guy, like a mafia boss or some shit, she'll say, oh, I know what he does. 0.98

00:23:21.000 I don't want to know. 0.96

00:23:23.000 Oh, whatever.

00:23:24.000 It's normal because still there, it's still more primal.

00:23:28.000 If you think of history, every king, every sheikh, every sultan, they all had wives and mistresses. 0.97

00:23:33.000 In the world today, there's still people who have 10 wives and mistresses.

00:23:36.000 This is the normal human pattern.

00:23:38.000 An alpha with more than one woman.

00:23:40.000 This is the normal human pattern.

00:23:41.000 And the fact that monogamy has been introduced by society, it's societal, but it's certainly not natural.

00:23:48.000 Well, I guess the argument is that monogamy was, well, as I've said on Twitter a few times, I mean, monogamy was not introduced by guys with options, because why would you?

00:23:57.000 So, I suppose the argument is monogamy was, you know, very roughly speaking, introduced by the 80%, if you want to split it to that 80-20 thing, to make sure that the 80% had a woman and they, you know, they were satisfied and everything else.

00:24:12.000 So, what's interesting, and what I wanted to come on to now, is Because this is something I'm trying to get my head around as well.

00:24:20.000 Playing devil's advocate, guys will be looking at you and saying, yeah, that's great for Tate because, you know, G lifestyle, he's got the Lambos, kickboxing, all, you know, the money and all the rest of it.

00:24:30.000 Can guys who are in the 80% get into the top 20%?

00:24:36.000 Or what's your view on that?

00:24:37.000 That's a really good question.

00:24:38.000 And to be honest with you, I think I think the answer is yes.

00:24:45.000 Because the thing is, men create their value. 0.64

00:24:48.000 So there's two things.

00:24:49.000 One, men create their value.

00:24:50.000 And two, because I get accused of this all the time, Tate, you have girls because you have money.

00:24:56.000 I try and explain to them, I have money because I had girls.

00:25:00.000 That's how I first made big money.

00:25:02.000 I made money with fighting.

00:25:03.000 I didn't make Lambo, Bentley, Aston, Mansion money.

00:25:06.000 Like I made with girls. 1.00

00:25:08.000 So I always had the ability to get girls, even when I had no money.

00:25:12.000 And I did that through, like I said, self-respect, being in fantastic shape, having ambition, being clearly career-driven.

00:25:21.000 These are things that basically anyone can do.

00:25:24.000 So I think men create their value, and if you go out your way to create enough value, you're always going to do better than a lot of the others.

00:25:30.000 Yeah, because I've got a theory, and this isn't faking it till you make it, this is just getting the mindsets right.

00:25:34.000 Because I've got a theory, and I mean tell me what you think of this, that You don't have to be tight. 0.99

00:25:39.000 If you lay down your boundaries strongly enough, and you're like, well, fuck it, I'm gonna, yes, I wanna be with you, yes, I wanna have kids, but I'm gonna be fucking other girls, I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. 0.96

00:25:48.000 If you are that guy, then it's the mindset that, you know, some girls are gonna accept that frame. 0.99

00:25:53.000 Some girls may not, but some girls will, because the frame is more important than the money and the... Completely right. 1.00

00:25:59.000 You're right, there are some girls who may not accept it. 0.68

00:26:01.000 I've had girls who don't accept it, even at my level.

00:26:04.000 I've had beauty queens go, oh, I won't have it, da-da-da. 0.99

00:26:06.000 And I have girls who do who are just as beautiful.

00:26:07.000 So some girls will, some girls won't. 1.00

00:26:10.000 The only kind of struggle I find when people ask me how I pull it off is I try and explain that a woman shows her love for you via sexual exclusivity. 0.98

00:26:20.000 That's how she shows she loves you.

00:26:22.000 In her mind she believes that you show your love via sexual exclusivity.

00:26:26.000 What you have to do is reprogram her to understand that sexual exclusivity has nothing to do with me loving you.

00:26:32.000 I love you anyway.

00:26:34.000 I love you and you have to find other ways to show her.

00:26:36.000 Now that doesn't mean, that doesn't have to be financial.

00:26:38.000 It can be other things. 1.00

00:26:39.000 So when I first started, when I very first started, I used to say to my girl, yeah, I'm going to fuck other girls, but I won't, I won't, it sounds stupid. 1.00

00:26:45.000 I won't sleep with them. 1.00

00:26:46.000 I won't sleep around their house.

00:26:47.000 So her in her head was, well, he only sleeps with me.

00:26:50.000 They need something.

00:26:51.000 Now it's, now that's long gone.

00:26:53.000 I'm lazy, but they need something to hold onto.

00:26:57.000 So they think, I still have something no one else has, because everyone thinks that's sex.

00:27:01.000 But if you can change that out for something else, I'm telling you now, man, most girls know.

00:27:08.000 And I say this, and people go, no they don't.

00:27:09.000 I say, yeah, most girls know.

00:27:10.000 If you go up to a girl and say, go demand to look through your man's phone right now or leave him.

00:27:15.000 Or leave him.

00:27:16.000 And they'll go, oh, well, it's his work phone. 0.99

00:27:19.000 They'll make excuses for the dude, because they know if they look, they're going to see shit they don't really want to see. 0.99

00:27:23.000 You know, like every chick deep down kind of knows. 0.96

00:27:25.000 When a guy goes on a stag do to Vegas, every girl kind of knows he's in a club.

00:27:31.000 So it's not really too big a jump from them kind of knowing to them actually knowing and just being like, you know, but I don't love them hoes, so don't worry about it. 1.00

00:27:39.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:27:40.000 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

00:27:41.000 And like you said, I mean, that's a very traditional arrangement, isn't it?

00:27:44.000 That's been going for centuries in Europe.

00:27:46.000 And I suppose the only other, the way that people get around it is to sort of lie about it, basically.

00:27:50.000 So they get married and they do that, but they just don't admit it.

00:27:54.000 And then they set themselves up, I suppose, because then they get found out.

00:27:57.000 And this is the thing, and this is where webcam helped me a lot as well, because I used to say to my girls when we were in the webcam business, I'd say, who's cheating more? 0.99

00:28:06.000 Like, I'll go to the club, I'll find a hot chick, I'll fuck her. 1.00

00:28:08.000 And then I won't talk to her again. 1.00

00:28:10.000 Or I'll fuck her, and maybe I'll fuck her again, maybe I'll fuck her again, but I fuck her. 1.00

00:28:13.000 Or, the guy who comes on and talks to you on webcam when his wife's asleep, sending you money he was gonna take her on holiday with, instead he's sending it to you, telling you he's head over heels in love with you. 1.00

00:28:23.000 Who's cheating more?

00:28:24.000 The guy who's head over heels in love with you, or me who has no emotion for any of these chicks?

00:28:28.000 Yeah.

00:28:28.000 Who's actually cheating?

00:28:30.000 Yeah.

00:28:30.000 So to my girls, all they care about is do you love the other girls?

00:28:33.000 Yeah.

00:28:33.000 Do you love her?

00:28:34.000 No.

00:28:35.000 Okay.

00:28:36.000 And I'm at a point now where my girls will say, who you with tonight? 1.00

00:28:37.000 I'm like, oh, I'm out.

00:28:38.000 Okay.

00:28:39.000 And then I don't even have to, I'm out tonight.

00:28:41.000 See you tomorrow.

00:28:41.000 That's all I have to say.

00:28:42.000 Okay.

00:28:42.000 Yeah.

00:28:43.000 That's it.

00:28:43.000 It's like, you know, it is what it is.

00:28:45.000 Yeah.

00:28:45.000 But, um, out of interest, obviously the other side of it is obviously female nature itself.

00:28:50.000 And you've obviously seen a lot of that.

00:28:51.000 I mean, do you think guys watching this would be shocked in terms of the things that women are capable of doing? 1.00

00:28:57.000 Um, and also what about this?

00:28:59.000 What about the good girl, bad girl dichotomy? 0.59

00:29:00.000 Do you believe that there are actually Good girls versus bad girls, or do you think they're all...?

00:29:05.000 Okay, so that's a really interesting question.

00:29:07.000 So, firstly, girls are ruthless. 1.00

00:29:10.000 Yes.

00:29:10.000 And that doesn't make them bad people.

00:29:12.000 I'm certainly not a woman hater, and I'm definitely not one of them guys who are like, women are this, women are bad. 0.97

00:29:18.000 Women are not bad. 1.00

00:29:18.000 Women have evolved to be a certain way. 1.00

00:29:20.000 If I'm going to walk through the world and I'm going to say to you, men are a certain way, so this is why I act that way, Then I can't hate on women for doing the same thing.

00:29:29.000 So we're saying men are not monogamous.

00:29:31.000 I can't hate on women for having a certain mindset. 1.00

00:29:34.000 Women are ruthless when you no longer have a value to them. 1.00

00:29:37.000 Women are ruthless if they find someone better. 1.00

00:29:39.000 That song, These Hoes Ain't Loyal, is completely correct. 1.00

00:29:42.000 When a rich nigger wants you, and your nigger can't do nothing for you, these hoes ain't loyal. 1.00

00:29:46.000 It's true. 0.97

00:29:47.000 There are levels to it.

00:29:48.000 And even I understood that with the girl I was head over heels in love with.

00:29:51.000 When she was starting to go to this club, I was like, I just have to play my move now.

00:29:54.000 Because I ain't going to have a move next week when she's already been partying with champagne and she already has millionaires texting her. 1.00

00:30:00.000 Then I don't stand a chance.

00:30:01.000 My only chance now is to stop her going.

00:30:04.000 It didn't even work.

00:30:05.000 But I still know I made the right choice.

00:30:06.000 I had no other choice.

00:30:07.000 So I've always understood female nature at that level. 0.98

00:30:10.000 So yeah, they are ruthless.

00:30:11.000 And all of them are.

00:30:12.000 The good ones and the bad ones.

00:30:13.000 You can find a good girl, virgin, Christian, whatever, whatever. 1.00

00:30:16.000 If you stop being of value and she has a better option, she'll fucking go. 1.00

00:30:20.000 Yes. 0.99

00:30:21.000 So that's that.

00:30:23.000 However, there's two things to this.

00:30:25.000 One...

00:30:26.000 What you have to do in life is if you can't change the rules to the game, what you have to do is understand the rules so well that they benefit you. 0.97

00:30:33.000 People talk about hypergaming and how bad it is and girls want the best choice and all this shit. 0.98

00:30:37.000 That benefits me to the ground. 0.98

00:30:38.000 Why are these women sharing me? 1.00

00:30:40.000 Because I have an advantage over other guys.

00:30:43.000 So to me, it benefits me.

00:30:44.000 And I put myself in this position.

00:30:46.000 I wasn't born a kickboxing champion.

00:30:47.000 I was born broke and nobody.

00:30:49.000 So I put myself here.

00:30:50.000 So to me, it benefits me. 0.95

00:30:51.000 So if you can position yourself, and I'm not just talking about being a fighter or being a fucking Or even being rich.

00:30:57.000 You can be an art guy, you can be a library guy. 0.86

00:30:59.000 Girls are into everything. 1.00

00:31:00.000 If you're in the right niche, and you're doing well, you're going to benefit from hypergaming.

00:31:05.000 That's the first thing.

00:31:07.000 Second thing, as for the good and bad girl thing, I don't believe, and this is another thing I argue with the game guys about, I don't believe in BPD.

00:31:15.000 I don't believe in girls that have a borderline personality disorder. 1.00

00:31:20.000 I believe you have, and the reason for this, I'll quickly explain why that is, If you're going to date top-tier women, nines and tens, I'm talking about girls with like a million followers on Instagram and stuff, how the fuck are you going to be 16, with half a million followers on Instagram, and every man in the world, multi-millionaires, desperate to spend time with you, nobody ever telling you you're stupid or wrong, and everyone doting over you, how are you going to live that life and not have a fucking personality disorder? 1.00

00:31:48.000 So they've all got BPD. 1.00

00:31:50.000 So if all the top girls have it, is it even a thing? 0.97

00:31:53.000 It's just women. 1.00

00:31:54.000 There's just women. 1.00

00:31:55.000 Hot women are a certain way, which is a pain in the ass. 1.00

00:31:58.000 Now, as for the good and bad girls, I think all girls can be controlled. 0.99

00:32:03.000 I think all girls can be fixed. 1.00

00:32:04.000 But some girls are certainly a bunch more work than others. 1.00

00:32:07.000 So I had a guy I used to coach, and he used to say, how do I tell a good girl from a bad girl?

00:32:11.000 I say, you have blueprints. 0.99

00:32:14.000 You may fuck a girl, you got a blueprint. 1.00

00:32:16.000 Some of them are a real pain in the ass, some of them are far more susceptible. 1.00

00:32:19.000 But either way, you have to be the right kind of man to train her to be the woman you want her to be. 0.99

00:32:24.000 Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

00:32:25.000 You know, you're never gonna find a woman who just instantly, the second you meet her, respects you, loves you, does everything you say, obeys you. 0.99

00:32:32.000 If you find that kind of girl, and this is my genuine experience, if you find girls that are too easy, in most cases they're fucking hoes. 1.00

00:32:38.000 Because if they give away respect to men that quick, then they'll give it to a lot of guys. 0.99

00:32:42.000 Yeah.

00:32:42.000 And they're usually hoes.

00:32:43.000 If you meet a girl and she's head over heels in love with you in an hour, she's probably a slut. 1.00

00:32:47.000 So if you want to make a girl who genuinely loves you and build them up, it's going to take time. 0.97

00:32:51.000 You have to create the woman you want. 1.00

00:32:53.000 My women are the way. 1.00

00:32:54.000 None of my women, if before they were with me, if you said, are you going to be with a guy who cheats on you? 1.00

00:32:58.000 Every one of them would have been like, no, never.

00:32:59.000 Yeah.

00:33:00.000 And here they are.

00:33:00.000 So I made them that way.

00:33:01.000 So you have to create your woman. 0.99

00:33:03.000 You have to make her the way you want her to be.

00:33:04.000 Some women are far more work than others. 1.00

00:33:07.000 That's how I view it.

00:33:08.000 That's a bad girl. 1.00

00:33:09.000 A bad girl is a whole bunch of fucking effort. 1.00

00:33:12.000 And a good girl is far more susceptible to listening. 0.99

00:33:15.000 So I do believe there's good and bad.

00:33:16.000 I do believe it.

00:33:17.000 And a lot of that's just down to their previous experiences, I think, as women.

00:33:20.000 Well, I suppose guys are most concerned about cheating, aren't they?

00:33:23.000 So I suppose they're saying you can meet a girl who's going to be less inclined to cheat versus a girl who's going to be more inclined to cheat. 0.50

00:33:29.000 But I'm guessing your take on that would be it comes down to the guy.

00:33:35.000 Yeah, partially it comes down to the guy and partially it comes down to the girl. 1.00

00:33:37.000 The girl's taking a whole ton of dick. 1.00

00:33:39.000 Well then there's no stigma attached to taking a new one. 1.00

00:33:41.000 As soon as you have any kind of trouble, she's like, well, why am I going to sit here and fight and work this out for this dick when there's a new dick out there? 1.00

00:33:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:33:47.000 You know? 1.00

00:33:47.000 So sexual partners absolutely is part of it. 1.00

00:33:50.000 Yeah.

00:33:50.000 So that is a big part of it.

00:33:51.000 But also as a guy, I mean, I was always very firm with my relationships and, and like, like I've given that example already, I think the world we live in now is, is designed, not designed, but the, the, the natural, The relationship, which is considered normal nowadays, I think it facilitates women cheating. 1.00

00:34:12.000 My women don't have male friends. 1.00

00:34:14.000 My women don't go to the club without me. 1.00

00:34:16.000 There's a whole bunch of stuff that I've put rules down on.

00:34:20.000 Now, that doesn't make me a psycho, because if the girl doesn't like it, we can split up. 1.00

00:34:23.000 But that's just me as a man.

00:34:24.000 You're not going to be having male friends.

00:34:26.000 Why do this guy...

00:34:27.000 If you want to talk to a man, you can talk to me.

00:34:28.000 Or you can talk to my brother.

00:34:30.000 I don't know...

00:34:31.000 Or your dad.

00:34:32.000 There's no other dude...

00:34:33.000 I mean, maybe if this works and you reply, okay, I'll give you file tomorrow. 0.91

00:34:36.000 It's not like some static bullshit.

00:34:38.000 But I don't see why men and women need to be friends. 1.00

00:34:40.000 All these dudes are trying to fuck her. 1.00

00:34:41.000 You know that. 1.00

00:34:42.000 I know that.

00:34:43.000 So, and people are sitting here, they've got relationships with a girl, has lots of male friends.

00:34:48.000 Their girl goes to the club with other girls. 0.95

00:34:49.000 Their girl's out without them all the time. 1.00

00:34:51.000 And then they go, oh, well, she cheats. 1.00

00:34:52.000 And I go, well, okay, maybe it's not so much her being a bad girl. 0.97

00:34:55.000 You're just putting her in a position where it's so fucking easy. 0.95

00:34:58.000 Yeah. 0.94

00:34:59.000 And of course you're going to argue in your relationship, everyone does.

00:35:02.000 So, like, of course something's going to happen, she's going to pick up a guy's number or something. 0.95

00:35:06.000 I just make sure none of that even fucking starts. 0.96

00:35:08.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:35:08.000 You're with me. 0.98

00:35:09.000 We're together.

00:35:10.000 You don't do that.

00:35:11.000 Yeah.

00:35:11.000 And obviously you've got her friends egging her on and everything as well, so... Of course!

00:35:15.000 Of course, all her friends want... Her friends are never on your side.

00:35:19.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:35:19.000 So her friends want her to do this shit. 1.00

00:35:21.000 And that's why I am the way I am, and I've always been that way with relationships. 1.00

00:35:24.000 It's just like, no, you're not going to go down that path.

00:35:25.000 I'm not going to allow it to happen.

00:35:27.000 Yeah, yeah, definitely.

00:35:29.000 On that note, let's move on to, just to talk about Romania, I was going to talk about that a little bit further on, but just out of interest, how did you, because obviously you were based in the UK, weren't you, originally, and then you were doing kickboxing, UK based, and then you're in Romania and you're doing webcams, so what's the...

00:35:48.000 What's the sort of missing links in that story?

00:35:50.000 Yeah, so I was in the UK.

00:35:54.000 It's a really long story.

00:35:57.000 I won't tell it on the podcast.

00:35:58.000 It's 20 minutes long.

00:35:59.000 But I ended up starting this webcam company in the UK.

00:36:00.000 I got the idea.

00:36:01.000 I had some girls. 0.99

00:36:02.000 I started a webcam company.

00:36:03.000 I was making some money.

00:36:03.000 Everything was okay.

00:36:05.000 I went to Romania to fight.

00:36:06.000 I went there and I had a fight and I thought, this is nothing like I expected it to be.

00:36:11.000 Because Romania has a bad reputation. 0.99

00:36:13.000 So, I expect it to be a shithole. 0.98

00:36:15.000 And it's not. 0.96

00:36:15.000 I mean, yeah, there's mafia. 0.96

00:36:17.000 But you know what?

00:36:18.000 If you don't look for trouble, you don't find trouble.

00:36:20.000 And that's true anywhere in the world.

00:36:21.000 You're going to walk around with a bad attitude.

00:36:23.000 You're going to find trouble here, there, anywhere.

00:36:25.000 If you show people respect, no one's going to give you trouble.

00:36:28.000 I've never had any problems there. 0.99

00:36:29.000 So yeah, there's some mafia guys, but they have bigger concerns than fucking with some tourist. 0.97

00:36:34.000 What do they care? 0.96

00:36:35.000 Unless you're actually looking for trouble, you're not going to find it.

00:36:38.000 It was really beautiful.

00:36:38.000 The weather was nice.

00:36:39.000 The girls were fucking insane. 1.00

00:36:41.000 I'm not just saying that. 1.00

00:36:42.000 A lot of guys say that and they're lying.

00:36:44.000 I'm talking about genuinely.

00:36:46.000 I've never seen a girl without a pedicure or a manicure.

00:36:50.000 I've never seen a girl whose hair isn't done.

00:36:51.000 You go to the mall during the middle of the day on Tuesday, every girl's in heels. 1.00

00:36:54.000 They wear dresses.

00:36:55.000 It's completely different to the West.

00:36:57.000 You can walk down the street in London now and count how many girls have nice pedicured fake nails. 1.00

00:37:03.000 10% maybe, as opposed to 100%.

00:37:05.000 I'm talking about all, you know?

00:37:07.000 So it's like, they put more work in.

00:37:09.000 And it's not even just a genetic thing.

00:37:10.000 Genetically, they're beautiful, yeah, but if a girl's got nice long hair, perfect fingernails, wearing a dress, goes to the gym every day, and sunglasses on, like, how can you even really be ugly? 0.99

00:37:20.000 You're hot.

00:37:21.000 You're just all hot.

00:37:23.000 So this happened.

00:37:25.000 And then I had a girl in England lie and say I hit her when I didn't. 0.96

00:37:28.000 And I ended up getting arrested by the police and my house raided and all this bullshit was happening. 0.95

00:37:32.000 And I just thought, you know what? 0.96

00:37:33.000 I don't want to live under a system where any girl can lie. 1.00

00:37:37.000 And it would prove to be a lie. 0.97

00:37:38.000 I don't want to live under a system where any girl I've ever talked to in my life can lie and fuck up my life. 1.00

00:37:43.000 So I'm just going to leave. 0.58

00:37:44.000 Yeah.

00:37:44.000 And literally that was it.

00:37:45.000 I said to Tristan, let's go.

00:37:46.000 We packed up the car in the morning and by the evening we were drawn our way to Romania.

00:37:50.000 That was it.

00:37:51.000 Awesome.

00:37:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:37:52.000 What do you think?

00:37:53.000 I mean, would you advise guys?

00:37:54.000 I mean, there's quite a few people on the internet who are sort of like moved to Eastern Europe and particularly from the States because obviously, I mean, in Britain we're a lot nearer so it's slightly less of a massive jump.

00:38:03.000 But I mean, I don't know really.

00:38:05.000 I mean, for various reasons, obviously you've got more attractive girls, you've got a less How do you put it? Invasive culture that you've got here. I mean, do you think this is a good thing for guys to consider doing? I actually don't recommend it to a lot of guys and I'll tell you why. It's the game of women but it's the stakes are turned up. 1.00

00:38:26.000 So if you're a high-value guy, like if you're a high-value guy in England, you get a lot of girls.

00:38:30.000 If you're a high-value guy in Romania, you get a lot of girls.

00:38:34.000 But if you're a low-value guy in England, you don't get many.

00:38:37.000 If you're a low-value guy in Romania, you get zero.

00:38:39.000 It's the game's more, do you know what I mean?

00:38:42.000 So the women are more prepared to share a high-level man. 0.99

00:38:45.000 Which means that high-level men have more women. 0.58

00:38:47.000 So the low-level guys struggle more.

00:38:49.000 Do you know what I mean?

00:38:49.000 So, like, I look at Roosh, I'm not a fan of Roosh, but Roosh is, he's in Ukraine or Belarus, wherever he is, in his little tiny apartment, selling his e-book, making $500 a month, and he's sitting there complaining he can't find a wife.

00:39:00.000 It's because I know Eastern European women. 1.00

00:39:03.000 I know that they're looking at him going, okay, even if he fucks them, even if he games them, fucks them, after that they're like, okay, so where's the security? 0.98

00:39:10.000 Where's the children? 0.99

00:39:11.000 Where's the family?

00:39:12.000 Where's the marriage? 1.00

00:39:12.000 You ain't got none of this shit I want. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:14.000 That's why he's struggling. 0.99

00:39:15.000 So the women out there actually, I recommend to a lot of guys, I wouldn't say go in there and living cheap and da-da. 1.00

00:39:21.000 It's a bad idea.

00:39:22.000 You're better off in the West. 0.99

00:39:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:39:23.000 It's not the sort of pussy paradise. 0.99

00:39:25.000 Nah, zero percent. 0.99

00:39:26.000 It's not a pussy paradise at all. 0.99

00:39:27.000 It's a pussy paradise if you're high, high level. 1.00

00:39:29.000 But what you're going to have here in the West is you can have nothing going for you and a girl will fuck you because you're funny. 1.00

00:39:36.000 Oh, I like him. 1.00

00:39:36.000 He's funny. 1.00

00:39:37.000 We smoke weed.

00:39:37.000 We watch Netflix.

00:39:38.000 He fucks me. 1.00

00:39:39.000 Even if you're a nobody, you'll have some pussy. 1.00

00:39:41.000 There is no pretty Romanian girl on the planet who's stupid enough to do that. 1.00

00:39:47.000 They know their value. 1.00

00:39:48.000 All I have is my looks.

00:39:50.000 That's all I have.

00:39:50.000 I ain't gonna have a career.

00:39:51.000 I'm not gonna have a high-paying job.

00:39:53.000 I have my beauty. 1.00

00:39:54.000 If I'm gonna fuck a guy, either, one, I want money up front, which is why so many of them are hookers. 1.00

00:39:58.000 Or two, I want to see that there's a possibility for a future and a family. 1.00

00:40:01.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:40:02.000 That they ain't fucking for any other reason. 0.65

00:40:04.000 So if you're, if you've got those things, if you're, if you're a guy and you're a bit older and you've got some game and you have a little bit of money and a nice apartment, you haven't got to be a millionaire, just basic things and they can see a future with you, you'll get girls. 0.98

00:40:14.000 If you're some 19 year old who turns up with fuck all, you're trying to live cheap and just run around gaming, you're going to, you're going to be disappointed. 1.00

00:40:19.000 You're better off in the West where girls are stupid. 1.00

00:40:22.000 That's the truth. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:40:22.000 Cause we were in, I was in Russia recently and I mean, it's, it's funny cause my friend Tom was saying, It's actually, guys think it's easy to go East and you'll get laid, but actually it's easy to get laid in London. 1.00

00:40:32.000 Absolutely.

00:40:33.000 Because of the culture.

00:40:34.000 Absolutely.

00:40:35.000 That's completely correct.

00:40:36.000 The girls there are smarter, they're more savvy, they want something more from you than just sex, and on top of that, The culture is less degenerated. 1.00

00:40:45.000 Western culture is completely degenerated.

00:40:47.000 Over there, 99% are still religious.

00:40:50.000 I've been on dates with 25-year-old girls who say, I have to be home at 10 o'clock. 1.00

00:40:53.000 My dad said so.

00:40:54.000 At 25, like, you don't have any of that here. 1.00

00:40:56.000 They get drunk, and they go, fuck, do coke. 1.00

00:41:01.000 So here, it's super easy. 1.00

00:41:02.000 I've said this a million times.

00:41:03.000 The easiest place in the world to get laid is north of England.

00:41:07.000 People say it to me all the time.

00:41:08.000 Where's the best place to go?

00:41:09.000 Is it Romania?

00:41:09.000 Is it Ukraine?

00:41:10.000 I'm like, no, go to fucking Liverpool. 0.99

00:41:12.000 That's the number one spot. 0.99

00:41:14.000 If you want just random hoes. 1.00

00:41:15.000 But if you want to find a woman of quality and find possibly a wife, it's better over there. 0.98

00:41:20.000 But the game is amplified.

00:41:21.000 The hyper game is amplified.

00:41:23.000 So if you can use it to your advantage, it's better.

00:41:25.000 But if you can't, it's certainly not so. 0.99

00:41:26.000 If anyone who thinks, oh, I go Ukraine, I'm going to get unlimited hot girls just because I have $10, that's bullshit. 0.98

00:41:31.000 It's not like that. 0.97

00:41:32.000 And sorry to Karen, it's not even that poor anymore.

00:41:35.000 That's another thing that people think is a lot poorer than it is.

00:41:38.000 They think, oh, I'll go there and I'll have a little bit of money and I'll be the richest guy in the club.

00:41:41.000 I live half a mile from a Lambo garage. 0.97

00:41:44.000 There's Lambos, there's Bentleys, there's big clubs, there's people with money.

00:41:48.000 You're not going to go there and have 20 quid in your pocket.

00:41:51.000 It's not Thailand.

00:41:52.000 It's not like that.

00:41:54.000 Is there a Final Frontier Wild West somewhere in the Balkans though?

00:41:59.000 If you go to like, I don't know, there is.

00:42:02.000 Like Georgia or... Georgia I've heard good things about, but the things with Georgia is they're semi-Turkish, like it's on the border of Turkey, they've kind of got this strong religious thing. 0.95

00:42:11.000 The best place to go for girls, I'll tell you, but I'm also gonna tell you everyone to not fucking go, is Moldova. 0.99

00:42:16.000 Right, yes. 0.96

00:42:17.000 I heard this the other day actually.

00:42:19.000 So Moldova's the best place to go, but the problem is, it's got a few problems.

00:42:23.000 Moldova's the best place to go because they haven't got EU travel.

00:42:26.000 So I used to go to a town called Kosice in Slovakia.

00:42:28.000 That's where I met one of my girls I've been with for six years. 0.95

00:42:30.000 And I put her on Twitter a lot.

00:42:32.000 She's blonde. 1.00

00:42:33.000 She's hot. 1.00

00:42:33.000 So I met her in Kosice, Slovakia. 1.00

00:42:35.000 And at the time, when this was when I was younger, I worked out a geographical formula to finding hot chicks. 1.00

00:42:41.000 Because hot chicks loves big cities. 1.00

00:42:43.000 Because that's where the fun is.

00:42:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:42:45.000 If you're going to have a beauty queen in a village, she's going to be pregnant by the time she's 18. 1.00

00:42:50.000 She ain't sitting around the village at 25, beautiful, and waiting for a dude. 1.00

00:42:54.000 It ain't real.

00:42:54.000 So you have to go to the cities to find the girls.

00:42:56.000 So me and my brother looked on a map, and we're like, where is there, like, capital cities are always a bad idea because there's too many tourists, and tourists destroy it. 0.98

00:43:03.000 Like Prague now is finished because there's too many fucking stag dudes. 1.00

00:43:07.000 Every single Czech girl, if you go and try and talk to her in English, she's like, ah, stag do bye. 1.00

00:43:12.000 She may have either already slept with a stag do guy and made that mistake once, or she's seen too many of them throw up on themselves, or whatever. 1.00

00:43:18.000 They're just not interested in your bullshit. 1.00

00:43:20.000 So you have to go where there's no tourists. 0.98

00:43:22.000 So we started looking for the second biggest cities in countries.

00:43:25.000 And we found this town in Slovakia called Kašice.

00:43:27.000 It's the second biggest city and it's five hours drive from any major city.

00:43:32.000 So it's five hours drive from Budapest, five hours drive from Krakow, five hours drive from Bratislava.

00:43:36.000 So it's in the middle of kind of nowhere and at the time they didn't have an airport.

00:43:39.000 So when we used to go there it was genuinely crazy.

00:43:42.000 And there was no English people. 0.97

00:43:43.000 You had to fly to Budapest and get a four and a half hour taxi So, like, when we were going there, everyone was like, what the fuck are you doing? 0.95

00:43:52.000 You know?

00:43:53.000 And it was awesome for a good, but this is about seven, eight years ago.

00:43:57.000 Maybe no, maybe longer, maybe 10 years ago.

00:43:59.000 And it was really, really, it was really fun.

00:44:01.000 And I went again last summer and it's completely different.

00:44:04.000 They opened a national medical school.

00:44:06.000 They opened a EU.

00:44:08.000 They got EU money.

00:44:08.000 They joined the EU.

00:44:09.000 They got the Euro they never used to have.

00:44:10.000 They opened an airport. 0.99

00:44:12.000 And now all the pussy's gone. 1.00

00:44:13.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:44:14.000 And they're like, they can get a 20 quid flight to Zurich.

00:44:16.000 You're a 10 out of 10 from Slovakia. 1.00

00:44:18.000 You go to Zurich, you go to Berlin, you go to London.

00:44:21.000 No one's sitting around Kosice anymore. 0.98

00:44:23.000 So the whole thing's done.

00:44:24.000 So the geography of women is super interesting because, especially with the European Union, it's given so much freedom for travel. 0.99

00:44:32.000 I remember I used to go Lithuania before the EU, full of girls. 1.00

00:44:34.000 Last time I went to Lithuania, they're not there.

00:44:36.000 And I was talking to my friend, I said, where's the hottest Lithuanian girls?

00:44:38.000 He goes, London.

00:44:40.000 They all leave!

00:44:41.000 They all leave because they can.

00:44:42.000 Why are you going to sit and work for 200 euro a month when you can come and work somewhere else for more?

00:44:46.000 Especially if you're hot.

00:44:47.000 But Moldova doesn't have that.

00:44:48.000 Moldova, they cannot travel.

00:44:50.000 They're not part of the EU.

00:44:52.000 And they haven't got free travel and they have to get visas to go everywhere.

00:44:55.000 And it's an extremely corrupt and dangerous country so it's very difficult to get visas.

00:44:58.000 So a lot of the girls are stuck there and they are actually poor. 1.00

00:45:01.000 However, I'm telling everyone now who's listening to this thinking they want to go, don't go.

00:45:04.000 Because I've been four times and I've been attacked three.

00:45:07.000 So that's a 75% attack rate. 0.99

00:45:10.000 That's like fucking Iraq level. 0.99

00:45:13.000 Because the men are extremely hostile to foreigners. 1.00

00:45:16.000 And the reason for that is because they know there is zero reason for you or I to be walking around Moldova if it's not to fuck their girls. 1.00

00:45:23.000 Now if you're working for 100 euro a month and you see all these Americans coming over trying to pick up all the women and you're struggling to get a girl because these Americans come over and they're rich as fuck, are you going to put up with that shit? 1.00

00:45:31.000 It's not like, you know, the ties are cupped. 1.00

00:45:33.000 They let you fuck their girls. 1.00

00:45:34.000 But in Moldova, when we were there, me and my brother were walking with girls and some Moldovan guy started screaming in Russian to the girls, we understood, why are you the Americans? 1.00

00:45:43.000 You're fucking whores. 1.00

00:45:44.000 Why are you the Americans? 1.00

00:45:44.000 The girl said, leave us alone. 1.00

00:45:45.000 The guy went into the pub, came out with 25 dudes and rushed us.

00:45:49.000 We're professional fighters. 0.99

00:45:51.000 And we still got fucked up. 1.00

00:45:52.000 So I'm talking about, if you want to go Moldova and literally risk your life for pussy, it's not worth it. 1.00

00:45:57.000 It's genuinely dangerous because the men there are not interested in letting you run around and fuck their chicks. 1.00

00:46:02.000 But that is the last frontier. 1.00

00:46:03.000 That is the place to go, but don't go.

00:46:05.000 I've warned you all. 1.00

00:46:06.000 I'm saying it because some idiot's going to go there and get fucking stabbed. 1.00

00:46:10.000 And he's going to come after me. 1.00

00:46:12.000 But literally, the taxi drivers are against you.

00:46:14.000 The police are against you.

00:46:15.000 Everyone's against you.

00:46:15.000 It's really not worth going.

00:46:17.000 Even when the police turned up, they were like, well, why are you here then?

00:46:20.000 We got jumped.

00:46:21.000 Why are you here then?

00:46:22.000 Don't come.

00:46:24.000 It's not worth it.

00:46:25.000 But that's the last place to go.

00:46:27.000 On the other side of it, so like Bucharest, Romania, Serbia, whatever.

00:46:32.000 Like, as time goes on, the next 10-15 years, do you think it's all going to become more and more westernised?

00:46:39.000 Yeah, it's going to become more and more westernised.

00:46:40.000 Absolutely.

00:46:41.000 I know, just like Slovakia had its heyday, I do believe that slowly... I think, in fact, no, I think Bucharest is a really unique place.

00:46:49.000 I think it's unique for as follows, because I've never met another country full of hot girls where they're patriotic enough they don't want to leave. 0.98

00:46:56.000 All the Lithuanians want to leave. 0.99

00:46:59.000 All the Estonians want to leave.

00:47:00.000 All the Ukrainians want to leave. 1.00

00:47:02.000 Whatever.

00:47:02.000 In Romania, in Bucharest, you meet so many Romanians from all the villages in the capital, but they don't want to leave Romania.

00:47:08.000 They want to stay in Romania. 0.95

00:47:09.000 There's something about Romania that has just enough money that they believe there's a future for them.

00:47:14.000 It's not too poor.

00:47:15.000 It's not too rich.

00:47:16.000 It's just the right amount that the girls don't very often leave. 1.00

00:47:18.000 If they leave, the only ones who leave are the hookers. 1.00

00:47:20.000 They go Dubai, they go Germany. 0.81

00:47:22.000 But the girls who want to find a normal life, they actually stay in Romania. 1.00

00:47:25.000 So it is quite unique for that, and it's definitely worth a visit.

00:47:27.000 But, like I said, it's hyper-gaming to the extreme.

00:47:31.000 And on top of that all, the thing is with these Eastern European countries, the reason I don't recommend guys to go on holiday and stuff, you've got a kind of land there.

00:47:40.000 If you were to come and live for a year, you'd have loads of fun. 0.88

00:47:43.000 But for the first six months, you'd be like, what the fuck am I doing here? 0.92

00:47:46.000 Until people know you, until you've been seen around, until you've seen like there's some girls in the club who look like they're on their own but you don't tap on their shoulder because it's that dudes. 0.97

00:47:55.000 You know like there's those kind of things going on.

00:47:57.000 It's a kind of bit sketchy. 0.99

00:47:58.000 And so when I see some guys on Twitter like I went to Ukraine, I fucked this girl, I fucked this girl. 0.99

00:48:03.000 I know they're fucking fours. 1.00

00:48:05.000 I know, because I know there's no nine in a club who's not owned by somebody. 0.99

00:48:09.000 And I know that she's not impressed by you, Mr. Average on Twitter.

00:48:12.000 So I know the reality of the game.

00:48:13.000 That's the reality of the game.

00:48:15.000 So it's one of those places you have to really make an impact.

00:48:17.000 But if you make an impact, it gets a shit ton easier because girls don't care if you have another girl, girls don't care about this, that, but you have to make an impact, you know? 0.85

00:48:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:23.000 Fair enough.

00:48:24.000 So moving on slightly to a slightly different topic in terms of sort of business, entrepreneurship, all of that stuff.

00:48:32.000 You've obviously done the webcam business, you've done the strip clubs, etc.

00:48:35.000 etc.

00:48:36.000 Really, really basic question.

00:48:39.000 I think we already know the answer to this but...

00:48:41.000 Would you ever envisage a situation where you'd work for somebody else?

00:48:45.000 Could you ever see how employment, working for another guy, would be something you'd ever do?

00:48:50.000 Or are you just like, no, go your own way?

00:48:52.000 You know what?

00:48:53.000 I did it for a long time.

00:48:54.000 Did you work in TV advertising?

00:48:55.000 I worked in TV advertising, yeah.

00:49:01.000 I worked in advertising as well, actually, for a while.

00:49:05.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with a job.

00:49:06.000 So you were the competitor?

00:49:08.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:49:09.000 I had to try and convince everyone that TV was a better idea.

00:49:12.000 But yeah, so I worked for various advertising agencies.

00:49:15.000 I've worked for... I've been doing sales.

00:49:17.000 I was doing sales up until the age of about 25.

00:49:19.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with a job.

00:49:21.000 It's very... You know what?

00:49:22.000 It's super easy to go on Twitter and go, Never have a job!

00:49:25.000 But that can't work for everyone. 1.00

00:49:28.000 It's stupid. 0.99

00:49:30.000 Not everyone can be an entrepreneur. 1.00

00:49:31.000 Some people have to work jobs.

00:49:33.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:49:34.000 However, I was always Hustling.

00:49:37.000 Does that make sense?

00:49:38.000 Even when I had a job, I was always trying to make side money.

00:49:43.000 Even through my job.

00:49:44.000 Even now, man. 0.99

00:49:45.000 I used to go to deals and say, the website's fucking three grand. 0.97

00:49:48.000 And they said, I can't afford it. 0.97

00:49:49.000 I can't afford it.

00:49:49.000 I'd try and sell it.

00:49:50.000 They couldn't afford it.

00:49:51.000 I'd just call them up later and say, you know what?

00:49:53.000 If we keep off the books, I'll do it for two grand.

00:49:55.000 Don't tell my company. 0.99

00:49:56.000 I'll just fucking... I got a guy. 0.99

00:49:58.000 He's cool.

00:49:58.000 It's the same guy.

00:49:59.000 I went to one of the guys who was making the websites for the company.

00:50:01.000 He said, look, I'm a backhander. 0.99

00:50:03.000 So I was always fucking hustling money. 0.98

00:50:05.000 So that's how I was. 0.98

00:50:06.000 So I was getting contracts and as long as I met my sales quota just enough, then I was getting all the side contracts on the side and making all the profit.

00:50:13.000 So I was always that guy. 0.75

00:50:14.000 So I don't think that, you know, there's nothing wrong with having a job, but you just need to be able to always keep your eyes open if there's some fucking cash, you know? 0.85

00:50:20.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.78

00:50:21.000 Did that come from your dad or from your family, do you think?

00:50:24.000 Yeah, I just kind of, it's just a personal philosophy of understanding that.

00:50:29.000 And I say this in a way that's powerful.

00:50:31.000 I don't say this in an anti-human way.

00:50:33.000 I say this in an opposite. 0.99

00:50:35.000 Nobody gives a fuck about you. 0.99

00:50:36.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:50:36.000 So a lot of people wouldn't do that because they'd be like, oh, my job, my boss, my da-da-da-da. 0.98

00:50:41.000 If you died, they might be upset for a couple of days, but they'd carry on with their life.

00:50:47.000 The company would continue to function.

00:50:49.000 Yeah.

00:50:49.000 So why would you be loyal to a company?

00:50:51.000 The company's not going to end if you end.

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:53.000 You know, like if you got cancer and you needed free wages for the next 10 years, would they pay it? 1.00

00:50:57.000 Would they fuck? 1.00

00:50:58.000 They can't afford it. 1.00

00:50:58.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:50:59.000 So I was always very much like, look, nothing personal, but if the company had the chance to screw me for profit, they probably would.

00:51:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:51:06.000 So I'm screwing them. 0.98

00:51:07.000 That's how I was as a person. 0.99

00:51:08.000 Yeah. 0.92

00:51:08.000 And even when I got caught, they didn't even fire me because I was so fucking good at sales. 0.92

00:51:11.000 They didn't want to fucking fire me because I was the best guy. 0.86

00:51:13.000 But when they caught me, they said, why'd you do that? 0.97

00:51:15.000 I said, Because there's a chance to make money.

00:51:17.000 Yeah.

00:51:17.000 Our price was $3,995.

00:51:18.000 He couldn't afford it.

00:51:20.000 I came to you and said, let's do it cheaper.

00:51:22.000 You said no.

00:51:23.000 So there was two grand on the table. 0.99

00:51:24.000 What the fuck am I going to do? 0.99

00:51:25.000 I took the money. 0.99

00:51:27.000 I was very much like that because I just have a very individualistic nature. 0.94

00:51:30.000 My nature is very much like, not in a horrible way, not in a fuck people over way. 0.97

00:51:35.000 I'd never like fuck over a friend or fuck over family, but it's just very much like, I'm the only one who's going to improve my life. 0.98

00:51:41.000 It's down to me. 0.99

00:51:42.000 I got to do something. 0.99

00:51:43.000 There's some money to make, so I'm going to make the fucking money. 0.99

00:51:45.000 That's just how I was, you know, as a person. 0.99

00:51:47.000 Totally, yeah.

00:51:47.000 And in terms of the business endeavours, I mean, obviously you've got this entrepreneurial side.

00:51:51.000 I saw your video about, what was it?

00:51:53.000 The Aloe Vera video.

00:51:55.000 Yeah, it's a good one.

00:51:58.000 But I suppose what we see you doing most on a top line level is the personal brand stuff.

00:52:04.000 You've obviously got this very strong personal brand, you're on Twitter, you've got your videos, you're doing podcasts and everything else.

00:52:11.000 Now to me, I think personal brand is The way forward, not for everybody, but I think it's a very powerful thing, because if you can build up an audience, if you can build up a following, then you sort of future-proof yourself to an extent.

00:52:24.000 Absolutely.

00:52:25.000 Because you've got people who'll listen to you, who'll buy stuff from you, and you can monetise that.

00:52:29.000 Now you've done it incredibly successfully, and obviously you keep getting knocked down and you come back up again.

00:52:34.000 I think that's something to do with, my theory is two things, I reckon it's because you're unapologetic, so you say whatever the fuck you want to say and people love that, but also you're a really good storyteller as well, so you can tell these stories, you do it on Twitter, you know, telling the stories about your family and everything, but also on Instagram, you know.

00:52:52.000 Would you agree with that?

00:52:52.000 Do you think those two things?

00:52:53.000 Yeah, absolutely, and you're right.

00:52:55.000 Personal brandings are fantastic, but you just have to make sure you don't get banned, because that's what keeps happening to me. 0.85

00:52:59.000 But, yeah, personal brand is certainly the way to go, and I think that everyone can... What you have to do if you want to build a personal brand, I believe, is you... People are not as stupid as we say they... Well, it's duality. 0.99

00:53:11.000 People are morons, and people aren't morons. 0.99

00:53:13.000 But people are very good at sniffing out, I believe, a fake or a fraud. 1.00

00:53:16.000 They need to know authenticity.

00:53:19.000 So I don't know who's listening to this right now.

00:53:21.000 Maybe some of you are thinking, this Tate guy, he's lying. 1.00

00:53:23.000 He's talking shit. 0.99

00:53:24.000 But everyone else knows I'm not lying about the women. 1.00

00:53:27.000 I'm not lying about the money.

00:53:28.000 I'm not lying about the payment.

00:53:29.000 I'm not lying about nothing.

00:53:30.000 They can tell it's authentic.

00:53:32.000 And it doesn't matter.

00:53:32.000 That's my particular story that sells.

00:53:34.000 It doesn't matter if you're a fucking web developer. 0.99

00:53:36.000 It doesn't matter if you're a surfer. 1.00

00:53:37.000 It doesn't matter if you're a florist.

00:53:39.000 If you're authentic and they can sense the authenticity, that's where the money is.

00:53:43.000 And I think a lot of people Through, I don't think it's on, maybe it's on accident, but a lot of people either hype themselves or they try and change themselves or they learn copywriting and think, well, I need to write this way to sell.

00:53:57.000 And a lot of the time they lose authenticity.

00:53:59.000 Like, I never think about why I tweet. 1.00

00:54:01.000 I just fucking just, fuck you, blah, blah. 1.00

00:54:05.000 Buy this or be a loser. 1.00

00:54:06.000 Like that's, you know, but it's authentic. 0.52

00:54:09.000 And I think that what people are looking for from a personal brand is always authenticity.

00:54:12.000 Doesn't mean you have to be aggressive.

00:54:13.000 Doesn't mean you have to be abrasive.

00:54:14.000 It means you have to be yourself.

00:54:15.000 Yeah.

00:54:16.000 That's what it is, you know?

00:54:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:54:17.000 Because, I mean, like you say, the personal brand can be many, many different things.

00:54:20.000 I mean, you've got a very distinct one, which is based on your personality and your background, but equally, I don't know, I mean, like, you know... There's a whole bunch of people with complete soft personal brands.

00:54:30.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:30.000 Exactly.

00:54:31.000 But because they are themselves.

00:54:33.000 So you can do absolutely anything with a personal brand.

00:54:34.000 And I believe anybody out there probably has a message that other people like them want to hear.

00:54:39.000 Absolutely.

00:54:39.000 It's just a matter of marketing it and then building the following.

00:54:42.000 And building the following isn't that easy, but it's like everything.

00:54:44.000 It's hard work.

00:54:45.000 There's no such thing as easy money in the world.

00:54:47.000 But it's out there.

00:54:48.000 It's out there.

00:54:49.000 So on that note, you've obviously, as we said, you've been shut down on Twitter several times.

00:54:52.000 It seems like this website goes down from time to time. 0.99

00:54:56.000 There's obviously shit going on. 0.98

00:54:58.000 Do you genuinely think that there's an effort to silence you? 0.99

00:55:01.000 And if so, where from and why?

00:55:04.000 Okay, I'm telling you now friend, I am absolutely on some kind of list.

00:55:09.000 Yeah.

00:55:10.000 If I try and do anything It's hard.

00:55:14.000 I've never been through airport security without being separately searched.

00:55:18.000 Really?

00:55:18.000 If I try to open a bank, they won't... You go try to open a bank right now, you'll leave with an account.

00:55:24.000 Me?

00:55:24.000 It's a two-week review process.

00:55:26.000 Don't know why.

00:55:27.000 I can't start a PayPal.

00:55:29.000 No payment processor will work for me.

00:55:30.000 Stripe, Squared, Sage, they'll all close me down.

00:55:33.000 I can't.

00:55:34.000 My Twitter gets banned all the time.

00:55:36.000 My Facebook is so closely watched, if I say anything even half offensive, I got banned for 60 days for saying that Romanian girls were hotter than English women.

00:55:45.000 I said, like, Romanian Tinder is completely different to English Tinder.

00:55:48.000 That was what I said.

00:55:49.000 Bam.

00:55:50.000 Like, I am on a list of, watch this dude.

00:55:53.000 Yeah.

00:55:53.000 And I think I've ended up there one through, I ended up there on my own fault.

00:55:57.000 One, I went on Infowars.

00:55:59.000 Yes.

00:55:59.000 Which is always going to cause you problems.

00:56:01.000 And two, I was probably the only verified Twitter account saying the kind of shit I say. 0.98

00:56:06.000 I was verified at the beginning. 1.00

00:56:08.000 And when I was coming out with shit with the blue tick as well, people were like, who the fuck is this dude? 1.00

00:56:13.000 All the other verifieds are pussies. 1.00

00:56:15.000 And I wasn't. 1.00

00:56:16.000 And I'm definitely on some kind of list, man.

00:56:18.000 I'm telling you.

00:56:19.000 And when you start to get banned from things, it's real.

00:56:22.000 It's real, and it comes out of nowhere, and it's frustrating.

00:56:24.000 The site goes down because you get a payment processor, they review the site, they agree, they set you up, everything's fine, and then one day you just can't log in.

00:56:30.000 And they send you some generic, generic... The email makes no sense.

00:56:37.000 We've decided to terminate our relationship, we're apologetic. 0.91

00:56:40.000 No reasons, it's just everything's just locked out, and you're like, what the fuck's going on?

00:56:45.000 Yeah, I mean, you're incredibly well connected as well, so obviously you've done an interview with Paul Joseph Watson, you've been on Infowars, there was a picture with Candace Owens and so on, and even up to the White House itself!

00:57:00.000 I think part of that is part of your allure in a way, I think there's this fascinating sort of slightly enigmatic side to you, but I mean, just on a basic level, With that kind of, you know, meeting those kinds of people, getting that kind of influence, is that a side effect of just having money, or is it a testament to your networking skills?

00:57:17.000 And if it's, I'm assuming it's probably the latter.

00:57:20.000 So if it's the latter, is there any advice you can give to guys who want to start to grow their own influence?

00:57:24.000 Absolutely.

00:57:25.000 So it's certainly a combination of the two, and I'll tell you why.

00:57:28.000 But firstly, we'll start with the networking skills.

00:57:30.000 But you have to be able to provide value to people.

00:57:33.000 Yeah.

00:57:34.000 I get this all the time.

00:57:35.000 I get inboxes. 0.98

00:57:37.000 I want to learn this, I want to learn that, I'll do anything to learn, da da da, and I'm looking at it going, okay, I teach you X, Y, Z, what the fuck do I get?

00:57:45.000 And I know this has been said a lot of times, but you have to be able to offer value to people, especially important people.

00:57:51.000 I think another mistake people make when networking is, and I know that copywriters will disagree with this, is that they're too long-winded with their messages.

00:57:59.000 So I get emails all the time from copywriters trying to get me to agree to let them do my emails.

00:58:03.000 And they send me these really long, really properly articulated emails, and I sit there and think, what a waste of time.

00:58:09.000 I ain't got time.

00:58:10.000 I don't know you.

00:58:11.000 If you were to email me saying, in capitals, I have money for you.

00:58:16.000 Done.

00:58:17.000 I'd be like, What money? 1.00

00:58:20.000 Who the fuck are you? 0.99

00:58:22.000 So a lot of the networking, a lot of people are like, it's just too much. 1.00

00:58:26.000 You have to understand if you're going to approach someone who doesn't know you, they don't know you for shit. 0.98

00:58:30.000 They don't know you. 1.00

00:58:32.000 So you've got to get your message concise as a motherfucker. 1.00

00:58:35.000 It's got to intrigue them enough to reply. 0.99

00:58:38.000 And you've got to offer them value.

00:58:39.000 And you can do that in a line.

00:58:41.000 When I first spoke to Paul Joseph Watson, it was when I was verified, so fair enough people saw the message, I messaged him saying, I said, our podcast will break the internet.

00:58:49.000 Yeah.

00:58:50.000 That's it.

00:58:51.000 And he didn't reply at first. 0.99

00:58:53.000 But then he started liking my tweets, so he must have thought, who the fuck? 0.98

00:58:55.000 And started watching who I was. 0.99

00:58:56.000 Like, if I would have said, hi, Mr. Watson, my name is this, I'm a kickboxer, and I was thinking maybe, he wouldn't have fucking given a fuck. 0.99

00:59:02.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:59:03.000 He wouldn't care.

00:59:03.000 But what I was saying to him is, I can make you bigger.

00:59:07.000 Yes.

00:59:08.000 You know where I'm coming from.

00:59:09.000 And this is the mistake a lot of people make with networking, I think, is you don't offer value, you're not concise enough, and on top of it all, you're not arrogant enough.

00:59:17.000 There's nothing wrong with arrogance.

00:59:20.000 You can be arrogant and it can be successful.

00:59:21.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.74

00:59:22.000 You know?

00:59:23.000 So you need to say to people, look, if someone were to start emailing me... We're being closed down.

00:59:30.000 It's happening.

00:59:31.000 Oh, they heard us!

00:59:33.000 Oh, that's your fault.

00:59:35.000 Yeah, that was his time.

00:59:37.000 Now I'm actually feeling pretty cool in the podcast.

00:59:39.000 pretty cool in the pod.

00:59:41.000 That's it, we've escaped, we've been questioned, but they've let us go for the time being.

00:59:47.000 MI6.

00:59:50.000 Yeah, you've got to offer people value.

00:59:52.000 But when I say arrogant, I don't mean arrogant about yourself.

00:59:54.000 You've got to be arrogant for them.

00:59:56.000 If someone's more important than you, you've got to be saying to them, look, I will make you bigger.

01:00:00.000 I will make you money.

01:00:01.000 I will do this.

01:00:02.000 I will do that.

01:00:03.000 You can't be saying, please teach me this.

01:00:04.000 I need this.

01:00:05.000 I get that all the time.

01:00:06.000 Tate, I see your life and I'm unhappy with my life and I really want what you have.

01:00:10.000 Sorry, bro.

01:00:10.000 I don't know you.

01:00:11.000 Yeah.

01:00:12.000 So what do you want me to do?

01:00:12.000 Go buy you a car?

01:00:13.000 No, fuck. 1.00

01:00:15.000 You've got to approach things the right way. 1.00

01:00:16.000 So that's the first thing, certainly.

01:00:18.000 And then second thing is finances help.

01:00:21.000 And the reason finances help is because you've got to be able to take chances.

01:00:24.000 Yes, I took a flight.

01:00:26.000 Yeah, when I met Trump Jr., he didn't know if he had time.

01:00:29.000 If you're around, maybe.

01:00:31.000 Now, the chance of meeting Trump Jr.

01:00:33.000 was big, but when someone goes, if you're around, maybe, most people wouldn't fly from Bucharest to New York for that.

01:00:38.000 But me and my brother got up, flew Bucharest to New York, booked the flights, hotels, food, everything.

01:00:43.000 We sat around for four days. 0.92

01:00:44.000 We spunked fucking $7,000 sitting there waiting for a maybe text and we got it. 0.98

01:00:49.000 Yeah, but maybe you won't. 0.98

01:00:50.000 So it's like you also need that freedom and that financial flexibility to be able to do those things.

01:00:56.000 But in general, I think that's one of the keys to networking.

01:00:58.000 You got to be able to provide value.

01:00:59.000 Now, if you're sorry, sorry, if you're a guy with, I know I talk too much, bro.

01:01:02.000 Not at all.

01:01:03.000 If you're a guy with and you're sitting there thinking, well, what do I have to offer?

01:01:06.000 I don't have much to offer, da-da-da. 0.99

01:01:08.000 That's fine, but you still have things to offer.

01:01:10.000 You can still be doting, and you can still be loyal, and you can still show tenacity, and you can still want to learn, but you still need to approach it in the right way.

01:01:20.000 You can't say, Tate, I really want to be successful like you, so teach me.

01:01:23.000 That is completely different to saying, Tate, in exchange for you teaching me, I'm going to make you lots of money.

01:01:29.000 That is completely different.

01:01:31.000 One guy's coming to me saying he's going to make me money.

01:01:32.000 One guy's coming to me saying, I want your money.

01:01:35.000 So people don't look at it the right way.

01:01:37.000 And I see a lot, copywriters are the worst.

01:01:39.000 I see a lot of copywriter emails and I scroll through them and think, bro, I ain't reading this. 0.98

01:01:44.000 I'm sure it might convince me if I read it, but I don't fucking read it. 0.88

01:01:48.000 So it's like, you've got to be to the point with it, you know? 0.89

01:01:50.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:01:51.000 Well, there's that old theory that the longer the copy, the more it convinces you and everything.

01:01:55.000 But I'm not sure in this day and age, you know what I mean?

01:01:57.000 We live in an attention, we've got attention spans of seconds.

01:02:00.000 So you're right, the reason they make the copy so long is it's effective if I read it. 0.98

01:02:04.000 You're talking to a guy who has a lot of shit going on, who gets 500 emails a day. 0.94

01:02:07.000 I don't read, literally I click, Next, delete. 0.99

01:02:12.000 If it's that important, they'll email me again.

01:02:15.000 We ain't got time for that at the highest level.

01:02:17.000 If you think Trump Jr.

01:02:18.000 is going to sit there and read your copyright email, it's like, come on.

01:02:20.000 You've got to get realistic.

01:02:21.000 I think back in the day when everyone had a Reader's Digest once a week and it was like you'd see some long copy thing in the back, you might read it because they had fuck all else to do.

01:02:28.000 But now, of course, it's a different story.

01:02:31.000 Two or three seconds is all you've got.

01:02:33.000 But I just wonder if, I mean, clearly, you know, Trump, Brexit, Putin, yellow vests. 0.98

01:02:39.000 There's a lot of shit going on and I think we're all aware on some level that there is a sort of a war of misinformation going on. 0.99

01:02:47.000 Absolutely. 0.99

01:02:47.000 Now this is a very general question and I, you know, I mean answer it in whatever way you want but as somebody who I suspect you probably a little bit more insight into this than the guy in the street, I mean have you got any comment on that at all in terms of what's, what the fuck is going on? 0.99

01:03:01.000 Man, fake news is real. 0.90

01:03:03.000 Yeah.

01:03:04.000 And this is why the news hates Trump because before Trump The idea of fake news was not nearly as powerful as it is today.

01:03:10.000 He coined the term fake news.

01:03:13.000 Before Trump, when did you hear fake news?

01:03:15.000 No one said fake news.

01:03:16.000 Now everyone's running around saying fake news, fake news.

01:03:19.000 Everyone's investigating the news reports. 1.00

01:03:20.000 Everyone's starting to realize how much of it's bullshit. 1.00

01:03:23.000 It's all fucking garbage from the head up. 1.00

01:03:25.000 And the reason for this is very simple, man. 1.00

01:03:29.000 People talk about the power at being and what they want and it makes it sound like it's this little cabal in a room.

01:03:37.000 I don't believe that's true because I don't believe that people are smart enough to pull that off.

01:03:41.000 I don't think it can be like that.

01:03:42.000 I just think that we live in a society, like you touched on earlier, where we're trying to cater for everybody.

01:03:49.000 And the reality of life is that at least 50% of people are below average intelligence.

01:03:55.000 At least 50% are below average looks, or below average anything else.

01:04:00.000 Battery, maybe.

01:04:01.000 Yeah, I think we're down on battery.

01:04:02.000 Anyway, cool.

01:04:03.000 But if you're catering for all these kind of people, How do I say this without sounding like a psycho?

01:04:11.000 But a group can only move as fast as its slowest person.

01:04:14.000 And society ends up getting watered down or changed or adjusted so everyone can succeed.

01:04:19.000 And I think in many ways, what that does is, that damages some of the evolutionary, What's the word I'm looking for?

01:04:27.000 Verocity.

01:04:28.000 The fact that it's kill or be killed.

01:04:31.000 You know?

01:04:31.000 Dog eat dog.

01:04:31.000 A lot of that's trying, they're trying to disintegrate that.

01:04:35.000 And I understand why they're doing it and I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing.

01:04:38.000 It's not evil.

01:04:39.000 I don't think it's evilly intentioned.

01:04:41.000 People think that there's these people behind that are evilly intentioned.

01:04:43.000 I don't think it's like that.

01:04:44.000 I think it's just when they're trying to build a society that lets everyone do well and no one feel bad.

01:04:49.000 Don't feel bad for being fat. 1.00

01:04:50.000 Don't feel bad for being stupid. 1.00

01:04:51.000 Every loser gets a wife. 1.00

01:04:52.000 It's just difficult to come, and they end up just castrating the outliers. 0.98

01:04:57.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:04:57.000 They castrate the extremes, because people like me, what good am I for the society?

01:05:03.000 They want a dude who meets a fucking average-ass wife, has average-ass kids, pays his average-ass taxes, and even though his wife doesn't fuck him, he'll sit there and won't get a divorce, and he'll just sit there jerking off in a sexless marriage, paying for the kids and paying his taxes. 0.99

01:05:17.000 They don't want dudes like me and you who refuse to listen to anybody. 1.00

01:05:20.000 What good am I?

01:05:21.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:05:22.000 And that actually brings me on really nicely to my next question because I wanted to talk about this thing about, because I see you as being the ultimate sort of like Nietzsche kind of Ubermensch, you know, the individual going their own way, etc, etc.

01:05:37.000 So, and of course on Twitter and elsewhere, we see a lot of guys who are like, no, but what about the good of society?

01:05:42.000 What about Western civilization and blah, blah, blah.

01:05:46.000 And you know, I take the piss out of that, but I kind of see where they're coming from.

01:05:49.000 But I've always been more individualistic, and I sense that you are as well.

01:05:53.000 But how do you see yourself on that balance?

01:05:55.000 Because obviously, at the same time, we do owe a debt to society to some extent.

01:06:00.000 So what's your thoughts on that?

01:06:04.000 My view is very simple.

01:06:05.000 Firstly, I don't believe you can pour from an empty cup.

01:06:08.000 If I want to preach the values and the virtues of masculinity, if I'm going to talk about how important it is that men are men, Well then, I need to be able to show that I'm a man.

01:06:18.000 I need to be able to do it myself.

01:06:20.000 Like, what am I preaching if I'm just sitting still saying men need to have honor and valor and courage?

01:06:26.000 Well, where's my honor and my valor and my courage?

01:06:28.000 Yeah.

01:06:28.000 So, you can't pour from an empty cup.

01:06:30.000 That's the first thing.

01:06:31.000 Second thing, trying to change the entire world and trying to change society as a whole, that's a losing battle, bro.

01:06:37.000 Like, you're fighting these Googles and Facebooks and Twitters that can ban you and banks and governments.

01:06:43.000 Like, you're fighting a battle you can't win.

01:06:45.000 The only thing you can do is Effect your direct sphere in a way so poignantly that you at least have a knock-on effect.

01:06:55.000 All we can do is be the best men we can be, have the best sons we can have, and I believe that's all you can do.

01:07:01.000 And I guess that's kind of like the Trag Con way, but just without the monogamy.

01:07:04.000 But I'm not going to stand up and try and fix society, because one, they're not going to listen.

01:07:08.000 Two, I'm going to destroy my own life.

01:07:10.000 And three, most of these people don't want to be saved.

01:07:13.000 The Matrix.

01:07:13.000 The Matrix says they don't want to be unplugged.

01:07:15.000 These people don't want to be unplugged.

01:07:18.000 There's heroes.

01:07:18.000 There's British heroes.

01:07:19.000 I'll say it.

01:07:20.000 Tommy Robinson, he's a hero.

01:07:21.000 And he's trying to save people who don't want to be saved.

01:07:24.000 They see him as the enemy.

01:07:26.000 It's like what you're going through.

01:07:28.000 So my view is very individualistic because I think one, it's the only way you can make a genuine impact.

01:07:32.000 And two, it's the best way to live a healthy life yourself.

01:07:35.000 And three, I mean, yeah, these societies don't want to be saved.

01:07:39.000 It's just a losing battle.

01:07:40.000 Yes, I would agree with all of that, really.

01:07:42.000 So there's three points you've made that I really agree with.

01:07:45.000 One is that I don't believe the conspiracy theorists that there's this shadowy elite group because I just don't believe human beings are that organised, to be honest. 0.99

01:07:53.000 I think if you see in any big corporation, you see behind the scenes, it's a shit show. 0.99

01:07:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:07:58.000 And so I don't believe that some suddenly somehow they've got this whole world domination plan worked out.

01:08:02.000 It just doesn't seem realistic And yeah, I also agree that well for a start.

01:08:07.000 I don't think individually we can change very much. 0.65

01:08:10.000 Anyway, yeah Which may sound a bit sort of like defeatist, but I mean you've got to be fucking realistic, haven't you?

01:08:16.000 Well, that's the thing.

01:08:17.000 Because like you said, we're talking about there's no international cabal.

01:08:19.000 So what is it?

01:08:20.000 It's just globalism. 0.97

01:08:21.000 It's just greed from huge corporations who don't give a shit about country borders or ethnicities or anything. 0.93

01:08:27.000 All they care about is important consumers who are going to buy some product. 0.93

01:08:31.000 So it's not a shadowy cabal.

01:08:34.000 It's just the fact that there's elite and not a few of them, millions of them in different positions around the world, all chasing money to a point where they've just sacrificed all the other things we believe the West needs like honor and valor and borders and all this other stuff.

01:08:48.000 Anything that benefits the bottom line, and that's usually globalism, and that's what it is.

01:08:52.000 And like you're saying, are we going to stand up against Google?

01:08:55.000 They just ban our accounts.

01:08:57.000 I tried.

01:08:57.000 I've lost five Twitters.

01:08:58.000 How far can you go?

01:09:00.000 You can't stand up against these people.

01:09:01.000 They're too powerful and they're too rich.

01:09:02.000 So it's like, what can you do?

01:09:04.000 Exactly.

01:09:04.000 And that's why I tend towards individualism.

01:09:06.000 Because I think in the end, you've got to look out for yourself.

01:09:10.000 You've got to look out for your family.

01:09:11.000 You've got to build yourself up the best that you can.

01:09:13.000 And it's only then that you might have a chance of helping other people.

01:09:16.000 And obviously, you're now helping other people because you've got your courses and so on.

01:09:21.000 You know, whatever help that you give on Twitter and other social media.

01:09:25.000 But you wouldn't be able to do that if you were still sitting around.

01:09:27.000 Exactly.

01:09:28.000 You know, in Luton sort of working a chip shop or something.

01:09:31.000 Exactly.

01:09:31.000 So if you sit and you just only talk about what needs to happen.

01:09:34.000 I mean, we only have so many human years.

01:09:36.000 I can only talk about the things I can talk about because I've lived them.

01:09:38.000 And that took 32 years to get here.

01:09:40.000 Like, so it took a whole bunch of time anyway.

01:09:42.000 So you absolutely have to be an individualist to build yourself to even a point of status where you can even make a point anyone's going to listen to.

01:09:48.000 That's the first thing.

01:09:49.000 And second thing, like you said, you look after yourself, you look after the people directly around you, you try and raise good kids, you try and, you know, have that kind of influence, and that's all I'll do.

01:09:57.000 If I die and there's two other versions of Andrew Tate on the planet, two sons, and I've instilled them with my values, then I've done the best I can do.

01:10:03.000 I mean, that's my duty to society fulfilled.

01:10:06.000 I've reproduced, I've produced sons who aren't little... 0.99

01:10:10.000 Little shits. 1.00

01:10:10.000 They're not going to commit any crimes. 1.00

01:10:11.000 They're not going to stab anyone.

01:10:13.000 They're relatively good people. 0.79

01:10:14.000 They don't take shit from nobody, but they're definitely not bad people. 0.93

01:10:17.000 And that's my societal contribution. 1.00

01:10:19.000 If you're not happy with that, fuck you. 1.00

01:10:21.000 That's it. 1.00

01:10:22.000 That's all I can do.

01:10:24.000 Exactly.

01:10:25.000 Do you believe that it is essential to reproduce in order to have a meaningful life, or do you think that people can... That's a good question. 0.70

01:10:33.000 I'm going to say yes, and I'll say yes why.

01:10:35.000 One, I think men should reproduce much later. 1.00

01:10:38.000 I think as a man, you can have kids in your late 30s, early 40s.

01:10:42.000 From a political standpoint, Politically, Westerners aren't having kids, so we're being outbred and we're going to be destroyed, but me having a bunch of kids ain't going to fix that, so whatever.

01:10:53.000 Yeah.

01:10:54.000 Because the average number of kids being had in Africa and the Middle East is like seven, so like whatever.

01:10:58.000 The game's over.

01:11:00.000 In 200 years from now, the game's over. 0.95

01:11:01.000 There's no more white Christians because they're going to be outbred. 1.00

01:11:04.000 But that's a completely different argument.

01:11:06.000 I think that life now, the reason people used to have kids much younger is because life was a lot simpler.

01:11:11.000 Now we live lives which allow us to be constantly entertained.

01:11:13.000 Like me, I'm 30s, you're 30s I'm assuming?

01:11:16.000 Uh, 40s.

01:11:17.000 Oh, 40s. 0.99

01:11:17.000 Fucking hell. 0.99

01:11:18.000 I know. 0.99

01:11:18.000 You look good, bro. 0.99

01:11:19.000 You look good, man.

01:11:20.000 You look good.

01:11:21.000 Moisturizer.

01:11:21.000 Yeah.

01:11:24.000 We have a lot of things we can do.

01:11:25.000 Yes.

01:11:26.000 We can buy cars, we can travel, we can watch TV, Netflix, whatever, video games.

01:11:29.000 You always find something. 0.97

01:11:30.000 So it's not like it used to be where you have kids because there's nothing else to fucking do. 0.98

01:11:33.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:11:34.000 So now we stay entertained much, much longer.

01:11:36.000 And that's the reason people aren't having kids. 0.81

01:11:38.000 But I do think there is a point, maybe in your 50s, maybe in your 60s, maybe in your 70s, there is going to be a point where you're going to sit and think, okay, I wish there was another version of me.

01:11:46.000 I think that is going to happen to everyone.

01:11:47.000 I do think that sooner or later, maybe it'll take a long time and different people have different times, but there's going to be a point where you think, you know, I'm not going to live that much longer.

01:11:56.000 I wish I at least left something.

01:11:59.000 Yes.

01:11:59.000 Do you know what I mean?

01:12:00.000 So I do think it's fulfilling.

01:12:01.000 I do think it's primarily fulfilling.

01:12:03.000 I certainly do want kids.

01:12:05.000 I do want them, but I'm just not going to have a traditional life.

01:12:08.000 I'm just going to have kids.

01:12:09.000 That's the reality.

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:10.000 What about the argument, if somebody creates some great work or something, then in a sense they've left something behind through that?

01:12:16.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:12:17.000 And that's a really good argument.

01:12:18.000 I just kind of... I don't know.

01:12:20.000 On a primal level though, I suppose.

01:12:21.000 Yeah, I didn't want kids till my dad died.

01:12:24.000 And when my dad died, people were messaging me, ah, but he lives through you.

01:12:28.000 And that kind of made me think, who am I going to live through?

01:12:32.000 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 Does that make sense?

01:12:33.000 Yeah.

01:12:34.000 Like, literally, it hit me within that same day.

01:12:36.000 I was like, that you realize that... And it's also, you know, the other things we all know.

01:12:40.000 If you're on your deathbed, no one gives a... If you're on your deathbed and you have an hour left, you don't give a fuck about your Lambo. 0.99

01:12:45.000 You care about who? 0.99

01:12:46.000 People.

01:12:47.000 So, you know, we're all humans.

01:12:49.000 And I do, and I don't think... I think a lot of the reason people shy away from having kids is because they don't like the idea of the trad life.

01:12:56.000 But my view is I can do both.

01:12:57.000 Yes.

01:12:58.000 So why would I not have kids?

01:12:59.000 Because for me, I don't have to give up anything to have kids because my frame is so solid that I refuse to bend. 0.99

01:13:05.000 So I'm going to be the same fucking person. 0.98

01:13:06.000 So to me, I don't see any disadvantage to having kids. 1.00

01:13:09.000 I'm going to have children.

01:13:10.000 I'm going to love them.

01:13:11.000 I'm going to see them when I want to see them.

01:13:13.000 I also believe, and this is something that's an unpopular opinion, but I'll make it very clear.

01:13:17.000 A father's job is part-time.

01:13:19.000 A mother's job is full-time. 1.00

01:13:20.000 A father's job is not a full-time.

01:13:22.000 People think to raise good kids, you need to be home every day, full-time, like a mom. 0.85

01:13:27.000 That's not true.

01:13:28.000 And that's not true because men have always had jobs.

01:13:31.000 Men have always gone away to sea, or been sailors, or worked in the mines.

01:13:34.000 Men have never been at home. 0.97

01:13:35.000 Yes.

01:13:36.000 So you've got to instill discipline, and you can do that.

01:13:39.000 I'm telling you now, I was raised, I love my dad, and I'm fantastic for all the lessons he taught me, and I'm happy with how I turned out.

01:13:43.000 I saw him once a week.

01:13:45.000 He was away at chess tournaments. 1.00

01:13:48.000 But if I fucked up, he'd call me on a Wednesday and say, I'm beating your ass on Sunday. 1.00

01:13:54.000 And he did. 1.00

01:13:54.000 So another reason I think men shy away from it is they have this idea that, oh, I have to give up my entire life. 1.00

01:14:00.000 You have to become domesticated.

01:14:01.000 That's what people don't like.

01:14:02.000 That's what they don't like.

01:14:03.000 It's not that they don't like the kids.

01:14:04.000 They don't like the domestication.

01:14:05.000 Whereas my view is, you haven't got to be domesticated.

01:14:08.000 You can have kids with a woman and you can make sure that, you know, you haven't got to give her unlimited money. 0.86

01:14:12.000 Don't let her buy Gucci. 0.99

01:14:13.000 Kids are fucking cheap. 1.00

01:14:14.000 I don't care what people say. 1.00

01:14:15.000 Oh, it's so expensive.

01:14:16.000 A kid eats 10 quid of food a week and they wear Primark. 0.99

01:14:19.000 Like, what the fuck are you putting your kid in Gucci shoes for? 1.00

01:14:21.000 It's bullshit. 1.00

01:14:22.000 So kids ain't that much money. 0.99

01:14:23.000 If you have a woman who's half sensible, and even if you split up and you have a half semi-good arrangement, you can have the children. 0.77

01:14:28.000 You can see them two or three days a week.

01:14:30.000 They can love you as a father.

01:14:31.000 Everything can be fine. 1.00

01:14:31.000 You can carry on with your fucking crazy life. 1.00

01:14:34.000 That's my genuine view. 1.00

01:14:35.000 So I think you can pull it off.

01:14:37.000 And I think that's a much more... It's funny that they call it traditional, isn't it?

01:14:41.000 This idea that you have to be the father and you're there the whole time.

01:14:43.000 Because for me, I mean, if I look back even to my granddad and think beyond that, you know, like my granddad was very...

01:14:49.000 A very absent figure, I think, in my dad's life.

01:14:51.000 You know, because the father was, he was going out to work.

01:14:54.000 He was going to war! 1.00

01:14:55.000 Well, yeah, my grandad was in the RAF, so, you know, he was doing that shit. 1.00

01:14:59.000 He wasn't, like, playing with dollhouses with his kids. 0.99

01:15:01.000 Exactly.

01:15:01.000 And now we get this idea that fatherhood is like, oh, yes, I was having tea parties with my daughter.

01:15:06.000 You don't need none of that shit. 0.99

01:15:07.000 So this is what I say to people when I've had some people say to me, I don't want kids. 0.99

01:15:10.000 I say, why?

01:15:11.000 And they go, oh, this, that, this.

01:15:12.000 I say, bro, You can have children.

01:15:14.000 You can continue with your life.

01:15:15.000 You can raise those kids fantastically.

01:15:16.000 Those kids aren't going to be bad kids.

01:15:18.000 You can be a fantastic dad one day a week.

01:15:21.000 A mother's job is full-time, not yours. 1.00

01:15:23.000 So I do say to men, don't have kids early, because I think a man's prime is his 30s and 40s.

01:15:28.000 I think a woman's prime is when she's 19 to 23, 24, 25, whatever. 1.00

01:15:32.000 And men don't hit their prime until later.

01:15:34.000 We have to make some money.

01:15:35.000 We've got to get some experience.

01:15:36.000 We've got to get some wisdom.

01:15:37.000 So I think you should take your time, but I don't see any reason why A man wouldn't want to at least have some kids. 0.96

01:15:43.000 I understand especially you know in the West it can be difficult and like alimony and all this shit and laws and stuff. 0.71

01:15:49.000 I kind of get it all but also I kind of believe that if you're a player and you've had enough girls you're gonna meet a girl who's sensible enough.

01:15:57.000 Who's not a complete dickhead, and she's gonna understand that the kids are better with you in the life, and that, you know, that you're not a multi-millionaire, but you're gonna give what you can afford, and that you may not last forever, but the children are good, that you both love the kids, and I, you know, I know loads of people who pull that off.

01:16:12.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:16:13.000 You know, it ain't, it ain't, it's just, if you choose a complete chav, stupid woman, you're gonna have problems. 1.00

01:16:19.000 If you get a semi-sensible woman, and you do your best, and the kids are happy and smiling, fuck, it ain't that bad. 1.00

01:16:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:16:26.000 We're coming to the end now, but a bit of a deep one to get the real Tate philosophy on life.

01:16:33.000 I think you've said you're not a religious man, you're an atheist.

01:16:39.000 Do you believe there's an overall meaning to life?

01:16:44.000 Sorry, I won't ask a leading question.

01:16:45.000 What's your view on that?

01:16:48.000 I think that life is one big accident.

01:16:50.000 So my view is very much like when I say I'm an atheist, people say, well, why are you?

01:16:59.000 What's the point then?

01:17:01.000 Why be here? 0.99

01:17:02.000 And I say, well, there's no fucking point. 0.99

01:17:04.000 Yes. 0.97

01:17:04.000 But that doesn't make it any less of an experience. 0.97

01:17:06.000 Yes.

01:17:08.000 For me, I believe this is all one big accident.

01:17:11.000 Humans have evolved.

01:17:12.000 I believe in evolution.

01:17:13.000 We've evolved.

01:17:14.000 We've evolved to be the smartest creatures on the planet.

01:17:16.000 If you actually study evolution, and most religious people never have, there's more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity.

01:17:25.000 They call it the theory of evolution, but it's the theory of gravity.

01:17:29.000 That's just a scientific term.

01:17:30.000 Evolution's proven.

01:17:31.000 Evolution happened.

01:17:33.000 So we all evolved.

01:17:35.000 We evolved to be the smartest.

01:17:37.000 That's what we evolved to be.

01:17:38.000 That's fine.

01:17:40.000 But even the chance that you're you and I'm me is one in a billion because of all the other sperm that could have turned out.

01:17:46.000 So we're here by one big accident.

01:17:49.000 And to me, To a lot of people, to religious people when I say that, they find that demoralizing, whereas to me, I find it powerful. 0.99

01:17:56.000 I'm here on accident, so what the fuck, if I'm here on accident and it's all a big fucking fuck up and I'm here, why not live life? 0.99

01:18:03.000 What the fuck else am I going to do? 1.00

01:18:06.000 I want to fuck girls, I want to do this, I want to drive cars, I want to make some money, and you can also use it the other way. 1.00

01:18:11.000 If I ever feel sad or down or depressed, I can sit and think, Yeah, but it's a big accident. 1.00

01:18:15.000 I'm here, I'm depressed now, but who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:18:16.000 I'll be happy tomorrow. 0.99

01:18:17.000 You learn to enjoy the whole spectrum of emotions.

01:18:20.000 Enjoy the good, enjoy the bad.

01:18:21.000 There's no good without bad anyway.

01:18:23.000 There's no light without dark.

01:18:25.000 So I just see the whole thing as a big accident, and I'm looking forward.

01:18:28.000 I will procreate.

01:18:29.000 I do believe in having kids, I guess.

01:18:31.000 I've talked about it.

01:18:32.000 But besides that, I just try and be as happy as I can each day.

01:18:36.000 And that's it. 0.98

01:18:38.000 Everyone out here, if you're listening to this now and you've got fucking problems and stresses and da da da, the reality is your problems aren't real problems. 0.98

01:18:44.000 Okay, the credit card payment's late. 0.98

01:18:46.000 Okay, you can't afford the car you want.

01:18:48.000 Okay this, okay that.

01:18:49.000 There's people with no food to eat, bro. 0.96

01:18:51.000 Yeah like you know and and and I know it's easy to say and I know it's it's cliche but if you can actually put your life in that perspective I can eat when I'm hungry I can sleep when I'm tired you know I there's more there's more I could have got but I ain't got it but who gives a fuck I'm gonna smile anyway I think that's just the best way to look at life I just think it's all just one big fuck up We're here fucking it up and it is what it is, you know? 0.96

01:19:13.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:19:14.000 And that, like you say, that to me, that represents a massive opportunity because it's a bit like, well, this is all really, this is all fucking random, you know, and like, like this may never have happened, but how awesome is that?

01:19:23.000 Because then you can create your own reality, create your own meaning.

01:19:26.000 Absolutely.

01:19:26.000 Exactly.

01:19:27.000 And if you're religious, you must have a completely... I actually find it interesting that a lot of the red pill guys are religious. 0.86

01:19:31.000 I find it interesting.

01:19:32.000 I said this before that I want to debate them because I find it interesting that we have so many similar worldviews, but with completely different foundational views on how life is.

01:19:41.000 These people have foundational views that I simply cannot agree with.

01:19:44.000 I do not agree with a life after death.

01:19:45.000 I do not agree with having my actions judged.

01:19:48.000 And all of these things they believe, I believe zero percent. 0.99

01:19:51.000 I think that's all complete garbage.

01:19:53.000 So it would be an interesting podcast sometimes to talk to one of them, but they never do because I think they know that it's going to be difficult to defend a relative perspective. 0.99

01:19:59.000 But it's difficult, but you know, but it's all a big fucking accident.

01:20:03.000 So if you're here on accident, you know, you only get to go around once. 0.75

01:20:07.000 You don't get a rerun.

01:20:08.000 And if you did get a rerun, if you're on your deathbed, whenever that is, and you think back on your life, the only things you're going to regret is all the time you wasted being in a bad mood.

01:20:19.000 You're gonna sit back and think, all the times I stayed in and I was miserable on Friday nights, all the times I argued with that person because I was in a bad mood, all the times I was stressed over that thing, I can't even remember what it was now. 0.72

01:20:29.000 Like, all the negativity you had, you're gonna think back and think, what the fuck was I doing that for? 0.62

01:20:34.000 Why was I not just laughing? 0.92

01:20:36.000 That's what it's gonna be!

01:20:37.000 So when I'm in a stressful situation, and trust me bro, I'll say it now on thing, I had a Bitcoin wallet hacked, I lost a quarter of a million last week.

01:20:46.000 But literally me and my brother sat there and obviously you're pissed off, but we're like in 10 years from now are we still going to be pissed off?

01:20:52.000 Well no.

01:20:53.000 So what's the point of being pissed off now?

01:20:55.000 You can't get it back. 1.00

01:20:56.000 So it's just very much like you have to just learn to train your brain to just be like fuck it. 1.00

01:21:00.000 You know? 0.99

01:21:02.000 It takes practice, but I see people complaining about stuff.

01:21:04.000 Oh, they said my car broke down. 0.99

01:21:06.000 It's like, bro, so fucking smile. 0.98

01:21:09.000 You know, like I don't get people, because when you're old, you're going to regret all the perfectly young, healthy years you had. 0.99

01:21:15.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:21:16.000 Fucking around sad. 0.99

01:21:17.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:21:17.000 I heard you on another show, and I like this idea that you have to say, well, you're going to get over it at some point anyway, so why not just do that now? 0.96

01:21:24.000 Why have to elongate?

01:21:25.000 It's exactly the same as we said earlier with the chest position and the girl.

01:21:27.000 You're going to lose her anyway.

01:21:30.000 Do it now or never.

01:21:31.000 I'm very much like that.

01:21:32.000 Eventually you're going to get over it.

01:21:33.000 So why waste the time being negative about it?

01:21:36.000 And I've super trained myself to always be, not always be positive, but just to always be, I wouldn't even say I'm that positive person.

01:21:43.000 I'm very neutral.

01:21:44.000 It's very difficult to make me ecstatically happy, but it's nearly impossible to depress me.

01:21:48.000 I'm always neutral.

01:21:48.000 I'm super stoic, but I've trained myself to be that way because I don't see the point.

01:21:53.000 I don't see the advantage of just being fucking negative. 0.99

01:21:56.000 And when I hear people complaining and crying, oh, poor me, I got depression now, blah, blah, blah, I just sit and think, do you think anyone gives a fuck? 1.00

01:22:02.000 The world doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

01:22:03.000 The sun's going to keep on rising. 0.99

01:22:05.000 There's still going to be happy people out here living happy lives while you sit around being sad. 0.99

01:22:10.000 So what the fuck, why are you telling people? 1.00

01:22:11.000 No one cares about you. 0.99

01:22:13.000 And this is my, when I say earlier about individualism and how I find it as a power, the most powerful thing you can do as a person is wake up and realize no one gives a fuck about me but me.

01:22:21.000 Yeah, so I'm going to do it, or no one's going to do it. 0.90

01:22:25.000 You've got to be that kind of guy.

01:22:26.000 And these are the most powerful people on earth.

01:22:28.000 Yeah, and it's weird how you combine, on the one hand, the arrogance, but on the other hand, the humility.

01:22:33.000 You've got to have the yin and yang with it, haven't you?

01:22:35.000 Absolutely, you've got to realize that.

01:22:38.000 In many, many ways, even Donald Trump himself, we're all unimportant. 0.99

01:22:42.000 We're fucking decaying biomatter, whatever, you know? 0.97

01:22:45.000 It's like, it is what it is, and I respect people who have fun. 0.97

01:22:49.000 I said this before, I met a homeless guy when I was in Slovakia, in that town we were talking about earlier, and he was... I was walking around the street, he stopped me, he said, can I have money for vodka?

01:22:58.000 And I said, well, that's pretty honest.

01:23:00.000 And he goes, where are you going?

01:23:01.000 I said to the bar.

01:23:02.000 He goes, well, you're a young man.

01:23:03.000 You're going to the bar.

01:23:04.000 You're going to find pretty girls and you're staying in the Hilton Hotel and you want vodka.

01:23:07.000 I have nothing.

01:23:08.000 So of course I want vodka.

01:23:09.000 Yeah.

01:23:10.000 And I said, well, how did you end up, so I bought him some vodka and I sat there and spoke to him for a minute.

01:23:13.000 I said, how did you end up homeless?

01:23:14.000 Blah, blah, blah.

01:23:15.000 He goes, I chose to be homeless.

01:23:16.000 I was like, why?

01:23:17.000 He goes, because I just want, I want to drink and I don't want anyone to tell me what to do.

01:23:21.000 And I was sitting there thinking, you know what?

01:23:22.000 This dude's happier than 99% of people in corporate jobs.

01:23:25.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.97

01:23:26.000 Like, so who the fuck am I to tell him his life's wrong? 0.98

01:23:28.000 Yes. 0.98

01:23:28.000 You know, there's always going to be someone who'll buy him vodka. 0.98

01:23:31.000 He's happy.

01:23:32.000 That's what he wants.

01:23:33.000 So, and that's my view on life is that if you're a happy person, you're a successful person.

01:23:37.000 It's not about making loads of money.

01:23:39.000 If you're smiling, you're successful. 0.76

01:23:41.000 If you're fucking genuinely cheerful, you're successful. 0.99

01:23:44.000 Because what the fuck's the point in doing anything else? 0.99

01:23:46.000 Another thing I said in one of my videos before, and I'll say it again here. 0.98

01:23:49.000 I love when people explain all their problems to me and I say, I guarantee you there is someone out there in the world today who would swap lives with you in a second.

01:24:00.000 All the problems you've got, all the problems I've got, lost a quarter of a million to Bitcoin, whatever.

01:24:03.000 If I were to sit there and someone with terminal cancer who can't walk anymore, Or lost both their legs in a car crash or whatever.

01:24:10.000 And you were to say, do you want to swap?

01:24:12.000 But I lost money in a Bitcoin wallet. 0.99

01:24:13.000 So who gives a fuck? 1.00

01:24:15.000 You swap. 1.00

01:24:16.000 People would take your place and you're still miserable. 0.98

01:24:18.000 You got, you got to be able to look outside yourself and think beyond it and realize how, I know it's all cliche bullshit I'm saying, but everyone says this, but no one does it. 0.99

01:24:27.000 No one sits and actually thinks, fuck, I was hungry and I bought a sandwich and I can eat the sandwich and now I'm not hungry. 0.99

01:24:31.000 That's pretty cool. 0.98

01:24:32.000 You've got to think that way, you know, because there's people who can't do it.

01:24:35.000 So if you think that way, it's pretty impossible to get negative.

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 Cool, man.

01:24:38.000 Cool.

01:24:39.000 Well, look, we're nearing the end.

01:24:42.000 One final point, I guess, to try and wrap everything up in a nice bow, if we can.

01:24:47.000 If there's the archetypal guy who's sitting watching this, listening to this, in his mum's basement, and he's there, and he's the ultimate chode, and he can't get girls, he lacks confidence, he wants, you know, he hasn't got any money, etc, etc, and he looks at you and he's like, yeah, but Tate is rich, and he's ripped, and he's like, blah, blah, blah. 0.92

01:25:05.000 What advice would you give that guy to start to turn things around? 0.90

01:25:07.000 Right, I'm going to tell him that everything I've already said earlier about no one giving a fuck about him is very important. 0.95

01:25:13.000 Look, bro, I'll talk to him directly. 0.99

01:25:15.000 No one's gonna kick your door down, hand you a hot girl, and give you keys to a Ferrari. 1.00

01:25:20.000 If you're waiting for that to happen, it's never gonna fucking happen. 0.96

01:25:22.000 So that's the first thing. 0.93

01:25:23.000 So you have to understand, if you want it, only you can get it.

01:25:25.000 That's absolutely the first thing.

01:25:26.000 And the second thing you have to understand is, happiness and contentment and girls and money and everything you want in life is at the top of a mountain.

01:25:37.000 Nothing is at the bottom.

01:25:38.000 Because if it's at the bottom, someone else has already scooped it up. 0.67

01:25:40.000 If there is a girl out there who's 10 out of 10, with big tits, who's slave-like obedience, who's perfectly good-looking, and does everything her man says, and she'll allow you to cheat on her, and she'll live with you in the basement, if that girl exists, someone else has already found her, bro, and she's with him. 0.74

01:25:57.000 The low-lying fruit's gone. 0.95

01:25:59.000 Everything you want's at the top.

01:26:01.000 So, you have two choices.

01:26:03.000 You either go through hell climbing the mountain to get what you want, or you go through hell not having what you want.

01:26:10.000 This is the only two real options.

01:26:11.000 So, when people say to me, oh, but this, but that, I try to explain to them, adversity is the only way to get anything of value.

01:26:18.000 That's why it has value.

01:26:20.000 If everyone could have a six pack without work, then a six pack wouldn't mean anything.

01:26:23.000 A six pack means something because they know you had to work to get it.

01:26:25.000 The adversity is what adds value to it. 0.97

01:26:28.000 So, my answer to these people is, think of what you want, look at how difficult it is to get, Be happy that it's difficult, because that's the only reason you fucking want it. 0.96

01:26:36.000 If it was easy, you wouldn't even want it. 0.95

01:26:37.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:26:39.000 And get to work or don't.

01:26:40.000 Those are the two choices.

01:26:41.000 Get to work or don't. 1.00

01:26:43.000 But if you choose don't, don't come on Twitter with an add-on account and attack you and me and go, oh, you're a loser. 0.99

01:26:48.000 It's easy for you. 0.96

01:26:49.000 Because you had your choice, too.

01:26:50.000 You're an able-bodied person.

01:26:52.000 You can get up and learn to fight.

01:26:53.000 You might be better than me. 1.00

01:26:54.000 How the fuck do you know? 0.99

01:26:55.000 Train the same hours I trained. 0.99

01:26:56.000 You might be even better. 0.99

01:26:58.000 But you don't know because you never fucking bothered. 0.94

01:27:00.000 So it's like, you know, you either do it or you don't. 0.96

01:27:02.000 And this is why on my website, when I teach and I sell my courses on CobraTate.com, it's still very much like it's down to you.

01:27:09.000 Like I can tell you how to do it.

01:27:10.000 You can lead a horse to water, but you can't force them to drink.

01:27:12.000 And I'm very realistic about that.

01:27:14.000 And people, a lot of people are coming around and talking excuses and saying things, but when it comes to taking action, they decide not to take action.

01:27:21.000 And that's self-sabotage.

01:27:22.000 I can't help you if you're that type of person.

01:27:23.000 If I want something, I'm going to go get it.

01:27:26.000 That's who I am.

01:27:26.000 If I want it, I'm getting it.

01:27:27.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:27:28.000 So, gotta be that way. 1.00

01:27:29.000 Gotta be that way.

01:27:30.000 And that's a good note to end on because obviously your website, you've now got a number of courses, haven't you, that are live and available.

01:27:37.000 So you've got the PhD program, you've got how to make money, you've got... I've got a lot of them, yeah.

01:27:42.000 You've got chess...

01:27:44.000 So it's basically everything I sell are courses which I've lived.

01:27:48.000 I'm not gonna be one of those guys who's gonna sell like a generic course on business when I haven't done it myself, you know?

01:27:54.000 So I'm only selling things I've done.

01:27:56.000 So I have my PhD program which is basically how I met girls and how I convinced them to work on webcam for me.

01:28:01.000 So it's how to pimp girls, from start to finish. 0.98

01:28:04.000 I've got how to run a webcam company if anyone wants to follow my six footsteps.

01:28:07.000 I've already spoke to a guy this morning.

01:28:08.000 He's making 300, 400 bucks a day now.

01:28:10.000 He's telling me to do two weeks.

01:28:11.000 He's starting to make money.

01:28:12.000 He's doing good.

01:28:13.000 I've got a body language course.

01:28:15.000 I've got a course on chess, a course on physical fitness.

01:28:17.000 All the things I know that have helped me in my life.

01:28:20.000 Body language is another big one. 0.79

01:28:22.000 One of the times we were jumping to Moldova, the only reason they fucking stopped coming at us is because of our, you know, we. 1.00

01:28:26.000 We held frame, but fuck, thank fuck, because we were going to get our asses kicked. 0.99

01:28:30.000 You know, so you got, you know, so these are all lessons I've learned and I teach things I've done myself. 1.00

01:28:35.000 So it's not going to be any kind of fakery or hocus pocus bullshit.

01:28:38.000 This is genuinely what I've done.

01:28:40.000 And I have, I have a 100% successful, 100% approve rate.

01:28:44.000 I've not had a single negative review of any course, which amazes even me, bro, because you're always going to have a hater.

01:28:50.000 I've never had anyone say that was not worth it, ever.

01:28:54.000 That's awesome.

01:28:55.000 And you've got the war room as well, haven't you?

01:28:57.000 Yeah, so the war room was put together.

01:28:58.000 Basically, I had a lot of guys saying, look, Tate, I want to work with you.

01:29:02.000 Kind of like networking.

01:29:02.000 And I said, all right, well, if we have 10 or 15 or 20 or 30 guys here all trying to do the same thing, we should all be in the same place talking about it.

01:29:10.000 So we have guys near her making money from dropshipping, we have copywriters, we have e-com guys, we have guys who've started following me on webcam, we have guys doing lots of different things.

01:29:16.000 We're all in one place and we're all talking constantly and now we have different people helping each other.

01:29:20.000 You need a copywriter, you need a website design, you need a Shopify story, there's someone else in the war room already doing what you need and we're all cross helping each other and everyone's starting to like new businesses are appearing and stuff.

01:29:30.000 So basically it's a membership to a club, yeah, but it's go-getters.

01:29:34.000 Yeah.

01:29:34.000 And I think a lot of the biggest problem a lot of people have is they don't have a network of people around them Who are go-getters.

01:29:39.000 Yeah.

01:29:40.000 You're sitting there and you just play video games and your friends just play video games.

01:29:43.000 Well, who's going to break out the mold? 0.99

01:29:45.000 When you start talking to these dudes and listening to people who are your age or younger doing amazing shit, you might start to do amazing shit yourself. 0.99

01:29:51.000 So that's what the War Room's for. 0.97

01:29:52.000 It's really just about getting that network of genuine go-getters and it's doing fantastic.

01:29:57.000 Awesome stuff.

01:29:58.000 Cool.

01:29:58.000 Well, thanks ever so much, Andrew.

01:30:00.000 We've been going for quite a long time, but it's been a very instructive.

01:30:04.000 It's been an instructive and Yeah.

01:30:08.000 Revealing conversation, I think.

01:30:09.000 Yeah, man, it's been certainly good.

01:30:11.000 So they can find you at... the website is Tate's... Yeah, so the Twitter is TateSpeech.

01:30:18.000 It's a play on hate speech, TateSpeech, because I got arrested for hate speech once.

01:30:23.000 There's the YouTube, which is YouTube.com slash TateSpeech, again.

01:30:27.000 And the website is CobraTate.com.

01:30:29.000 Awesome stuff.

01:30:31.000 Very good, right.

01:30:32.000 Well, enjoy the rest of your time in London.

01:30:34.000 Thank you.

01:30:34.000 And we will speak again soon.

01:30:36.000 Thank you.

01:30:36.000 Bye bye.

01:30:38.000 In the description below, you'll see a link to CobraTate.com.

01:30:41.000 This website has a full range of digital courses that can improve your life significantly.

01:30:45.000 Not only do we have information on how to obtain and retain women, how to improve your physical fitness, how to improve your body language, we also have information on how to make more money and live a more fulfilled life.

01:30:55.000 On top of this, we also have The War Room, which is a subscription service that allows you to have access to other like-minded individuals around the world.

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Tate Speech - July 25, 2022

Interview: Andrew Tate & Troy Francis

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