The Alberta Project - Young Minds on Alberta Independence

00:00:00.000 hi everyone um welcome back to the channel um today i'm joined by a young independence

00:00:08.080 minded alberton which is sort of like is the kind of person who's hard to come across um

00:00:14.500 you know if you've been following this movement um whether you're online or in person um you come

00:00:21.600 to notice like how much um the age demographic skews like older like way older like you know 55 60 plus

00:00:32.000 um people like people that are 55 or 60 years of age um and so yeah today i'm joined by another

00:00:41.340 youngling um to discuss uh all sorts of topics um regarding independence um and i think it's

00:00:50.700 definitely like a fresh perspective right on what the points that have usually been made

00:00:57.960 right especially you know from those older people who you know to their credit they're really pushing

00:01:03.760 this movement forward which is great but you know alberton like there are a lot of young albertans

00:01:09.860 right and so um and that number has always been like growing you know more than any other part of

00:01:17.160 canada i believe we have the highest number of um interprovincial immigration specifically like

00:01:23.940 the young brackets of people and so yeah we really need to reach out to them um you know in whatever

00:01:31.120 way necessary um and so yeah i'm joined by steve today steve do you want to introduce yourself

00:01:38.920 yeah hi you can i'm go by uh steve with ops steve with ops here and uh yeah i'm a youngling of 28 years

00:01:49.700 so sometimes it doesn't feel that young but definitely being at uh one of those alberta

00:01:56.280 prosperity project town halls there's a lot of gray hairs and a lot of bald heads and yeah it was

00:02:04.280 yeah it was it was kind of uh there's a strange feeling seeing that like being one of a handful

00:02:12.180 yeah in a room like that and and yeah you know credit credit to what you just said there about

00:02:19.660 you know guys like jeff rath and like they're all older guys that are kind of spearheading this and

00:02:25.320 that's good because while a lot of the constituents they're older they kind of have that memory of like

00:02:34.260 what canada and like alberta was like yeah 20 30 years ago we don't exactly have that perspective

00:02:42.600 but yeah their nostalgias run out right yeah whereas in fact uh a gentleman that was sitting

00:02:51.400 behind me when they were starting to throw up some stats about the various scandals that the

00:02:57.520 liberal government had had over the last 10 15 years i could hear a guy audibly kind of gasping

00:03:04.080 and just being like wow like at it and it's kind of things that are seems like they're much more

00:03:11.920 younger people are much more tuned into like the new media and so you got that old crowd that's the

00:03:20.620 the base yeah but they don't it's almost like they don't really know how bad or skeevy it is

00:03:28.300 yeah because you know like we talked about earlier they basically have the least to gain

00:03:36.000 from alberta independence which is interesting you know young people have the most to lose you know

00:03:42.020 from an alberta young albertans i should say have the most to lose from an alberta that will stay

00:03:48.080 within canada for years to come right and young albertans are the ones to gain the most you know in

00:03:57.420 terms of economic ramifications you know within an independent alberta you know that with laws and

00:04:04.880 policies that work for us right rather than against us with a mandate that's with the government

00:04:12.940 mandate that's specifically catered towards us and um yeah and like just again all that wealth

00:04:21.480 that exits alberta through over contribution and whatnot yeah and how that could stay and yeah

00:04:30.020 but here's something of a you know a bit of a maybe a kind of a kind of a bleakly optimistic take

00:04:38.760 with that is the vast majority of all the headlines you hear about canada is more focused on the state

00:04:45.700 of things in places like toronto montreal and vancouver with you know just the overpopulation the

00:04:53.420 overwhelmed infrastructure the housing prices cost of living like they're they are way so much worse

00:05:00.040 out there than they are out here in albert in in albert or just the prairie provinces in general

00:05:07.140 yeah and you know it's still gone up it's still noticeably different my what was it my my recession

00:05:15.500 indicator was this was a brand of uh salad kits that i watched almost double in price since 2021

00:05:23.060 so like it was the thing you can see it in real time and and that's and that that writing is on the

00:05:31.640 wall and that's why there's like the uh within canada immigration to alberta yeah and i can only

00:05:41.280 hope that you know they're they're coming here for the because they see that writing on the wall and

00:05:45.680 it's yeah you know won't alter voting patterns too much yeah i hope so too i mean yeah i'm not too

00:05:54.660 concerned about that um like in terms of how like changing the voting demographics and who can vote in

00:06:00.800 referendum because i think it's you'd have to be like an eligible voter like for the general election

00:06:07.600 yeah um that just happened in april to be able to vote in the referendums or that's the way smith

00:06:12.580 talked about it so i guess i'm not too worried about um you know like demographic skewing too much

00:06:19.220 you know unless the referendums postponed by like five years you know that would definitely be like an

00:06:23.660 issue yeah because then that would be enough time for a newer voter population to be ingratiated in

00:06:31.480 and you know and then who knows what media can get spun in five years yeah yeah for sure yeah um there

00:06:42.320 definitely is a smear campaign you know it's not as organized right now as it probably will be in the

00:06:48.980 coming months you know against the notion of alberta's independence i just think like it's it

00:06:55.140 hasn't gained it's they're probably it's they're probably still figuring out how to attack it yeah

00:07:02.300 and as we kind of chatted about earlier like they're getting a bit of a start on it

00:07:07.420 and and you know i will get in later it's like there's the thing about the partisan issues and

00:07:15.300 how to like cross political lines about it and yeah make it framed not as just

00:07:21.660 yeah perceived as a right-wing conservative thing yeah absolutely yeah i think yeah the biggest angle

00:07:27.260 of attack is just like the maple mauga thing right they you know we're like trumpers and like uh 51st

00:07:33.800 staters or whatever and like trying to break up the country um even though the country is you know much

00:07:40.000 more broken up than like any separatist could ever hope to achieve yeah like it's effectively

00:07:46.800 oh it's already set up like that like that thing about a population map like there's

00:07:52.740 population separated by geography in that if canada was in europe it'd be like 50 different countries

00:08:03.220 yeah oh yeah yeah for sure yeah yeah density wise you know there's just like a little like the little

00:08:11.960 florida looking wiener where like 60 70 percent of people are yeah and yeah the majority more people

00:08:20.980 live south of the 49th parallel than yeah yeah yeah north of it and and then you know there you have

00:08:28.360 vancouver and then the edmonton and um calgary i guess corridor that corridor yeah and then that's it

00:08:37.020 really yeah then it trails off towards winnipeg and then you got that nothingness all the way to

00:08:43.180 ontario yeah so yeah it's you know yeah canada's been like held together by a thread you know quite

00:08:52.360 literally like the only and that sort of um really becomes apparent right when you see that the only

00:09:00.600 moments when like national unity really peaks is when there's like only when there's like a threat

00:09:07.440 like there's almost no other like i guess common goal or achievement that canadians like look forward

00:09:15.520 to like you know sure you can be hot you know hockey or whatever right but the whole four nations um

00:09:21.280 game that we won against the u.s was like you know because of like the political tensions that had

00:09:28.220 been building up you know other years when you know we'd won against other countries like say our

00:09:34.840 national hockey team or whatever it wasn't really obviously it's like a great sense of pride and joy

00:09:40.860 and whatnot but you know again like it all like national like unity if you can even call it that

00:09:48.760 only like effort arises in canada like during like a threat yeah whether that be you know like u.s

00:09:57.580 tariffs and like um yeah like a tariff war yeah and but it's it was so blatantly obvious this last

00:10:07.320 go about like how manufactured it was that you know like i can still go through stores and i can see

00:10:15.620 elbows up merch and oh yeah it's not selling it's it's it's stuck it's rotting yeah it's stuck on the

00:10:22.040 shelves and it's not moving yeah because i think just maybe probably because of the younger people

00:10:31.580 kind of more younger people growing up and having grown up with the internet and seeing like kind of

00:10:38.060 how fast the news cycle moves like i clearly identified like it was like only two or three

00:10:44.080 years ago trudeau was calling the canadian flag you know a racist hate symbol basically oh yeah

00:10:49.420 disavowing the flag and then all and then turning it around completely and be like no we're strong and

00:10:57.400 we're strong and independent canada will never be the 51st day yeah and it's just like

00:11:03.340 hmm it wasn't wasn't a good look and it's just yeah oh yeah it's like it was wimpy and yeah him

00:11:09.420 sort of going on that rant about like what you would call it like um

00:11:17.020 oh yeah like how canada doesn't have like a unified culture and that you know we're like a culture of

00:11:27.920 multiculturalism which is like a crazy thing to say you know that was like those were things

00:11:33.220 he was saying during his term but now yeah from like a new perspective where you look at it where

00:11:38.060 it's like okay well maybe not in every regard but in certain regards that's true like the values

00:11:43.640 like waver and like differ like completely right from like coast to coast to coast you know like

00:11:50.800 like i've talked about this before but you know how like the stereotype of canadians being like

00:11:56.080 very nice and welcoming and like um yeah just always apologizing and whatnot like that's that

00:12:03.780 doesn't exist in quebec like it's like com like completely the opposite it's like a very cold like

00:12:09.460 i guess european style of like conduct and behavior that people have there yeah but they've remained

00:12:15.980 distinct and i have lots of like i've heard lots of firsthand accounts of like yeah like if you go to

00:12:21.820 quebec and you don't speak french like a lot of people will just turn their nose up at you and

00:12:27.040 they won't interact with you oh yeah yeah it's it's it's yeah it's insane yeah it's like

00:12:32.280 you know and we we pay like a massive tax for that right like just so that for whatever reason to you

00:12:40.900 know keep quebec into canada you know and i guess it's in the form of equalization you could say

00:12:46.660 um and most of that goes from you know albertan taxpayers right and so yeah you know to just have

00:12:55.180 them be like not you know exactly let's just say grateful or it's not even about being grateful

00:13:01.300 or whatever it's just being so hostile towards like towards the rest of the country that's like

00:13:07.920 bankrolling them right and that's like the kind of i guess like again that's like the kind of thing

00:13:15.040 where alberta's values differ from that right where unlike a lot of eastern provinces especially

00:13:21.700 quebec and the maritimes we're not we're not brought up into being dependent on government subsidies and

00:13:28.020 all these things yeah we're fortunate enough that there's actually work out here even with all of the

00:13:34.420 kind of restrictions that get imposed yeah and

00:13:39.780 and and and yeah like frustration in the west isn't just something that spawned out of another

00:13:50.840 lost federal election it's just it's you know more more than that yeah like predating like you know

00:13:57.920 true those liberals and it's you know

00:14:01.180 kind of referring to the cultural divide born from that geography like geographical distance

00:14:10.640 yeah yeah oh yeah yeah canada's like way too big right like i guess

00:14:18.660 like um to i guess bring into like mention like i guess you know the ussr for example right

00:14:29.340 where you have such a giant swath of land that it is like it was bound to you know with like people

00:14:38.840 from like you know all over the place with like all over like all different kinds of backgrounds and

00:14:45.140 whatnot that like it was bound to break up eventually you know it was it was bound to be sliced into like a

00:14:52.900 whole bunch of different countries um and i think yeah just like ancestral like nations and cultures

00:15:00.540 that are like have ancestral blood fuse with each other and then all of a sudden the iron curtain

00:15:06.020 comes down and it's like all right you all work together now yeah but an interesting thing about

00:15:10.960 russia there so or ussr soviet union and then like the russian federation that we see today it's

00:15:18.960 so it broke apart but then you look at the the mass of siberia and that didn't change after it broke

00:15:25.540 down because you got you know that vast geographical distance but there's no population yeah exactly and

00:15:32.400 like the west continues to you know you know get more population then there's going to be more people

00:15:38.300 that are going to want to you know self-determinate and that's probably an important thing like when it

00:15:43.980 comes to the making it a non-partisan thing it's population keeps increasing over here but yeah

00:15:49.740 the representation on the federal level is not and it's not in the it's it's not in the interest of

00:15:57.980 the have-not provinces for a better deal to be made for oh yeah west yeah yeah constitutional reform in

00:16:05.360 canada is like impossible like and i won't say like near impossible like it's straight up impossible

00:16:10.820 like the amount of buy-in that you have to have from like not not technically impossible but

00:16:15.840 functionally yeah functionally like practically it's like impossible like you know again like the

00:16:20.740 other provinces legislative majority you know all has to go through the house of commons has to go

00:16:27.040 through the senate just so that you can like then just so you can then proceed to suggest changes to

00:16:34.760 the constitution like just to open it up like we're not even talking about actually putting anything new

00:16:39.960 in there or amending anything yeah and so yeah like it's like again like you said it's functionally

00:16:46.380 like impossible and you know which is just very you know which is where like pessimism like sets in

00:16:56.080 and like rightfully so it's like where okay like nothing's gonna happen you know within confederation

00:17:03.960 for alberta pretty much like no sort of institutional reforms or anything you know nothing that will

00:17:12.360 give us more headway nothing that will give us more autonomy in making our own decisions right

00:17:17.120 you know what's you know what's i guess as like the nothing never happens chud i guess

00:17:24.300 yeah what's gonna always be a constant is just alberta over contributing massively to the i guess you

00:17:34.600 know like you said not have provinces while you know once again not being given the power

00:17:42.200 to self-determinate and to make you know actual like crucial important decisions on our own right

00:17:52.060 and you know we we talk about the constitution and the constitution itself that's you know supposed

00:17:56.860 to protect um albertus or every province's control over their own resources it doesn't really matter

00:18:04.120 because you know like what happened with the national energy program in the 80s the early 80s right

00:18:10.920 and what's happened with bill c69 you know as of recent like these are like quite like very like clear

00:18:18.400 as daylight breaches of the canadian like the canadian constitution that we're under and so it's

00:18:23.960 like we have no protection under the constitution that we're currently under and you know we seem to

00:18:30.480 think that somehow we can amend it in our favor it's like okay yeah let's say that even happens

00:18:35.200 um but like nothing's like actually going to come out of it you know and then they could be breached so

00:18:42.420 easily without any um like persecution or anything it's like well you know what's the point yeah like

00:18:50.800 not only breach but it's like okay like you know i always you always hear about some lawsuit being filed

00:18:57.140 against the federal government for doing breaches and you know stuff like the emergencies act against

00:19:02.360 the trucker convoy and then they're found to be guilty and then nothing ever happens oh yeah they're

00:19:10.020 just they're not like the i guess supreme court doesn't even like give them a timeline or like

00:19:14.980 there's just nothing that literally nothing like quite literally like you know you know like i'm like

00:19:21.040 every single day like i've become more of like the nothing ever happens child like it's it's just brazen

00:19:27.680 like the amount of like rules and lets that the government can break and the amount of conflicts of

00:19:35.780 interests and the amount of um like slush funds and you know that aren't over overseen by like a

00:19:45.080 institution that's run at arm's length and yeah just the amount of like sheer fraud and like scamming

00:19:53.160 that is going on you know again by our own government not even not even some like guy like a call center

00:19:59.560 like this is the canadian government we're talking about right yeah and it doesn't even it should that

00:20:06.540 itself you know should be a bipartisan or bipartisan or non-partisan issue yeah and it's just

00:20:15.860 yeah like i i think i've heard like some commentators say that canadians are the most politically

00:20:23.080 complacent people they've ever seen and it's yeah i can i can believe it and it is very easy to you

00:20:31.660 know feel a bit blackpilled about it yeah people are very oddly like you know they're happy with the

00:20:38.060 status quo here right if and how much that can change like if things start to get bad like really

00:20:46.140 drastically really really fast then something might happen but if you know there's like a gradual decline

00:20:52.060 into you know like third world nationhood essentially like no one will care like a lot of

00:21:00.840 like a lot of the pushback that i get you know when i like especially on reddit even on conservative

00:21:06.560 like subreddits you know what i'm talking about albert independence is that people always bring up

00:21:10.700 like hey you know you're it seems like oh you haven't traveled the world you know you haven't been

00:21:15.100 to all these like third world shitholes you know excuse me you know it's like you have no idea how much

00:21:20.560 better off we are um yeah yeah it's like why are you using that as a point of comparison like yeah

00:21:26.640 i'd like to keep it that way thank you yeah and it's like that like you're literally like you have

00:21:33.180 to compare yourself to you know like bosnia or something to be like i guess be seen as like a

00:21:42.820 favorable place for people to live you know not to other developed countries who've like outpaced us on

00:21:48.120 everything you know not to you know our biggest neighbor who canadians have like an inferiority

00:21:54.620 complex about you know to the united states you know that is what it is yeah and like you know you

00:22:00.880 won't compare canada to any of those places that have advanced much faster than us you know whether

00:22:07.280 it be in their economies or innovation you know investment like even i guess like strides in education

00:22:15.540 that have been made like and and health care like you like you won't mention any of these countries

00:22:21.060 but you will point out point to some like you know like i said shithole essentially that's just under

00:22:29.480 like such different circumstances yeah then what we've been under that like you can't even like

00:22:36.860 compare those things in good faith like you just can't yeah and it's you know and state a goal of

00:22:44.040 like hey let's do our best to not regress into you know you know something more third world and

00:22:51.660 and you don't even really have to go to an extreme you don't really have to go to extreme

00:23:02.060 examples of somewhere in africa you you it's you can see some of the effects in the european

00:23:08.740 nations now oh yeah yeah i mean yeah i talk about like europe or whatever but like uk what like the

00:23:17.380 amount of crime like dude i can't like i'm not even like making this up like when i was working in

00:23:23.780 boston pizza i had a co-worker i think like his like ethnicity he was from pakistan right and he had

00:23:29.520 like a english like accent and i asked him like oh like what happened to you know you were living

00:23:34.600 he was living in london or whatever with his family i was like oh so like how come you moved to here to

00:23:40.080 canada he's like well it wasn't safe you know like a like a city that was like you know like say even 20

00:23:47.800 years ago like like a beacon in like terms of like just being like a favorable like relatively safe

00:23:58.360 like clean place to live is just literally turned but or i guess i should say has elements of like

00:24:07.520 the third world corrupting it like it's crazy man hey even in canada culture coming in and not

00:24:15.080 yeah not assimilating yeah but just creating pockets of itself yeah yeah and like you know we

00:24:24.560 talk about terrible third world conditions sorry you know like even in like canada like a lot of

00:24:30.540 these preserves like are like you know one-to-one with like a lot of these like have not countries

00:24:38.760 like have not third world country like the reserves are in like such poor condition here

00:24:43.960 it's like yeah that it's that's like i mean that's like a whole can of worms yeah like that's

00:24:52.820 a whole other yeah but we have like pockets of you know uh you know in our own country with you know

00:24:59.220 thousands of people living in them that are just like abhorrent right like you think you know a first

00:25:06.080 world country like canada wouldn't subject people to live in places like those oh but we do it turns out

00:25:11.520 right yeah and even our lovely progressive compassionate government yeah doesn't acknowledge

00:25:20.980 it yeah yeah of course yeah and then so yeah and then you know even then i guess maybe not as bad but

00:25:28.760 you look at places like vancouver with like the insane overdose rates and like homelessness rates

00:25:37.100 like it's absurd and you know like it's again like a lot of this is like unparalleled

00:25:43.700 in like i guess the developed democratic world right we should if we should call it um

00:25:51.020 and so yeah it's really like it's just it really boils my blood yeah when people try to compare

00:25:59.320 how canada is doing right now again you know to a lot of these like um other unfortunate let's

00:26:06.280 just say countries for whatever reasons it may be um but yeah i guess i think it was a recent

00:26:12.840 relatively recent either a bill burr take or a louis ck take kind of saying like looking at how

00:26:21.420 prosperous america and like north america and you could lump canada into that for a good period of

00:26:26.320 time and how prosperous they you know we we are we are here and saying like you know essentially

00:26:35.080 saying it like it's not good that you're all prosperous while the rest of the world isn't

00:26:40.780 yeah it's like it's it's like it's it's such a kind of anti-life yeah type of stance that you know you

00:26:48.180 would hope that you know the better one would just be hey let these places kind of be the example and

00:26:53.480 then what you know and other places want to be like it either they want to come here or

00:27:00.220 yeah let others follow yeah um yeah but i guess you know i guess going off from that tangent i want

00:27:10.180 to yeah let's shift it a bit more into talking about um yeah like how to turn the independence

00:27:16.800 movement more non-partisan which is something that i think everyone likes serious about it

00:27:21.660 you know doesn't matter like how like solidified they are in their beliefs and like how right-wing

00:27:27.840 they are this is something that has to be addressed right in particular um in like i guess in regards

00:27:35.220 especially to like how we want to draw in more young people and so right what you mentioned

00:27:43.620 i think was that you know all this wealth that alberta generates so much of it like so much

00:27:50.400 i guess i guess i should say not alberta but albertan taxpayers specifically generate all of

00:27:57.060 it goes to you know these social programs and to you know the mayor times and places like quebec

00:28:03.760 you know which once again are diametrically opposed to alberta you know especially in terms of

00:28:10.420 how they um vote and you know again their values of like reliance on the government and whatnot and

00:28:18.280 just imagine all of that wealth like being kept here yeah right just the amount of taxes that

00:28:24.660 could be lowered especially in like the lower income brackets brackets so you know just the

00:28:30.180 amount of infrastructure that could be funded with all of this you know cash that would be staying

00:28:36.080 in alberta instead of flowing out you know like three four thousand kilometers east right yeah literally

00:28:42.680 if you know you take your kind of typical ndp talking points and like the things that they want like better

00:28:51.520 cost of living and then you know support networks you know like it's if you took alberta as it is

00:29:01.380 now literally right now with all the programs that are already here but you just keep all the money

00:29:08.920 that leaves the province are basically arbitrarily then you have that much more capital to work with

00:29:16.400 and you know maybe a bit of a strange way of uh framing it bipartisan like is like hey yeah like

00:29:26.860 you know you can vote you know like your your government in like say like a ucp voter like

00:29:34.140 would say to an ndp voter like like you know we will the will continue to have like the the party

00:29:42.820 political disposition shift within the province but it would just be its own state and then it can

00:29:49.440 still manage itself and

00:29:51.880 and and even

00:29:56.000 all of the all of the

00:30:01.740 stuff that the federal government just kind of does they impose things and you know you could be

00:30:11.120 for or in favor of it but one of the kind of smoking or kind of cutting to things i heard in debates

00:30:20.660 around covet time with

00:30:22.040 censoring like misinformation and all that is like when all these laws go into place

00:30:27.100 and

00:30:28.580 you know one side of the aisle being in favor of it the pendulum swings back around and all of a sudden

00:30:34.380 that same law is used against them and that's like this

00:30:37.000 you know authoritarian game that's played yeah

00:30:40.460 yeah playing with the ultimate

00:30:42.520 playing the uniparty but framing it like

00:30:45.340 it's just two two different polarities yeah like yeah so to try to like get away from

00:30:53.780 big massive countries and like decentralized states essentially like if uh

00:31:03.720 like like the u.s is the most egregious one you can always see like every election comes down to like

00:31:11.780 you know like 50 50 almost yeah and so it's like every every 48 years half of the country gets pissed off

00:31:19.420 mm-hmm and then the other other half of the country gets to be happy for a while and it's like

00:31:24.220 it's the same pretty well the same

00:31:26.160 up here so yeah it's like it's like an overarching non-partisan point where it's like this game is

00:31:33.920 going to be continued to be played and it's on a much wider scale yeah and just think of

00:31:40.340 you know what the most of the independence minded people here now think and just see that the rest of

00:31:49.640 the vast majority of the rest of canada doesn't see things that way they don't live over here

00:31:56.220 they're so there's thousands of kilometers away and their vote swings how things happen around here

00:32:02.020 yeah yeah they decide elections right always you know that's why even you know the conservatives

00:32:07.700 who are supposed to be you know our saviors and whatnot always still they still have to appease

00:32:15.160 yeah they have to pander way more to quebec right than they do yeah that's the that's kind of the

00:32:22.840 black pill about pierre and especially coming out over here it's like like any anyone who's has the

00:32:29.540 interest in albert independence like don't put your eggs in pierre's basket yeah because he's his he has

00:32:38.940 to appeal to the east like there's more voting sway out that way yeah yeah you know we talk about like

00:32:46.920 you know his upcoming by-election like i think people in um battle river crowfoot would be like

00:32:54.580 very naive to think that he's not going to use his seat you know in a rural riding as like solely just

00:33:01.900 a springboard to be leader of the opposition again and expend all of his time and energy you know like

00:33:09.100 on again grilling the opposition which is fine which is what an opposition or sorry grilling the

00:33:15.840 government like the sitting party what the opposition leader yeah that's what they that's what he does but

00:33:20.880 that's also the reason why they have you know most leaders and whatnot they have they ride in

00:33:27.460 writings and our candidates and writings in ottawa you know in government towns you know not in like a

00:33:36.320 rural place that requires like its own distinct form of separation and it's has its own distinct issues

00:33:43.360 right those things are all going to be set aside yeah and like so we're all settings rural settings have

00:33:52.220 enough issue with cities you know dictating you know the outcomes of elections you know much less

00:33:58.860 rural rural people thousands of kilometers away from where they're sitting mp would want to be

00:34:05.840 pandering to yeah oh yeah yeah it is like yeah i think yeah if i was which i'm not again like i'm not a

00:34:15.660 rural person i'm like a sheltered suburbanite um i guess but you know like yeah if i was if i were to

00:34:26.080 like superimpose myself and like my qualms like on to like say like a voter in battle river crowfoot

00:34:34.320 and you know just think about like hey you know the the people the person that i'm going to vote for

00:34:40.600 in the by-election you know whoever it may be like what is their main priority you know is it

00:34:47.520 you know this writing is it you know representing you know rural issues whether it be too many farming

00:34:53.700 farmers like regulations placed on farmers or i guess you know supply management for dairy farmers

00:35:00.580 that's a big thing that would be a big one yeah more um civil liberties or you know do i want

00:35:07.280 like a pundit essentially that will the whose only purpose is to spearhead the opposition party and

00:35:14.860 set all those other issues that specifically pertain to my rural writing aside right and so but i mean i

00:35:24.640 don't know i mean you know whatever happens out of that by-election whoever comes on top i think i

00:35:32.120 also don't want to have to have like a i don't want to present like i'm having i have a vendetta

00:35:37.440 against pierre like if people from battle river crowfoot want to vote him in like that's fine

00:35:42.340 mm-hmm um that's fine with me honest like i genuinely don't care like again it's not my writing right

00:35:48.960 yeah he's saying it i mean we kind of have like two parallel games here because you can still

00:35:54.920 be going down and advocating for the alberta independence that's independent of the current

00:36:02.580 yeah yeah you don't have to like of the federal the federal level like you can still have to

00:36:08.360 like federal conservatives right in the process yeah yeah you just have to not you know think that

00:36:16.500 that like them as they are now especially the federal that they're going to be in favor of alberta oh

00:36:23.320 yeah absolutely no i mean alberta is a massive conservative voting bloc right if anything i

00:36:28.900 think the liberals would be the most glad about it yeah you know alberta separating it just it

00:36:35.300 tightens their hegemony even more right like canada losing like a massive um you know conservative

00:36:42.380 voting bloc would be a pretty big win for them right but then the catch-22 is that you know if alberta

00:36:48.480 does separate um quebec will surely follow like you know like i said like i've talked to you about

00:36:55.480 it before like the um separatist provincial bloc they're leading i think some polling also should

00:37:02.360 suggest that um separatist sentiment or like i guess um a yes vote to an independence referendum

00:37:09.320 question is quebec is like very much close to 50 percent and will likely tip over to 50 plus percent

00:37:16.340 so the biggest threat that canada faces from alberta independence is it necessarily

00:37:25.640 alberta you know leaving canada is canada literally falling apart as a result of the dominance of the

00:37:34.160 domino effect that you know will follow um which that's that's that's just that's the potential

00:37:41.600 energy that's stored yeah in whatever whatever lifting sling is holding canada together like oh

00:37:50.600 yeah yeah like it's it's all there it's just there's one just one thing needs to fall because

00:37:55.860 it's either quebec goes first or alberta goes first and then you know saskatchewan surely will follow

00:38:01.900 bc i still don't think bc will the thing is that's the like another thing that's frustrating with some

00:38:10.660 like when it comes to like media coverage and even independent media coverage like they'll

00:38:15.760 kind of look at bc and think oh they voted this way but it's literally just that lower mainland

00:38:20.840 yeah that's true yeah but then again it goes into like the population issue right where they are

00:38:26.480 like a majority yeah like such there's such a high population down in the lower mainland that

00:38:34.260 even the rest of the province like i've been i've spent a lot of time in the northern parts of bc it is

00:38:40.000 it's very rough and tumble very cowboy and like i've spent you know time in rural alberta and like

00:38:47.780 in the northern forests and stuff it's like you go up there and it's like you know you can you can

00:38:54.100 shake off the sort of feeling that you have like a shitty government yeah thousands of kilometers away

00:39:01.480 yeah that wants to dictate what you can say and think yeah and

00:39:10.000 i'm sure you already know like pierre you know throughout his whole campaign and like leading

00:39:16.300 up to the election was pulling very high with um young voters right especially young men in

00:39:23.840 particular who've now formed this like i guess populist right uh so to speak and so you know those

00:39:31.960 people i feel you know after pierre's loss in the election they've like all morphed into the nothing

00:39:41.740 ever happens chud and i think i feel like alberta independence for those young albertans that were

00:39:50.460 very much hopeful that pierre would come in is a way of pulling them out of that rot you know

00:39:57.660 and yeah literally sort of i guess

00:40:02.220 getting the point across that all hope isn't lost right if anything we might have lost the battle

00:40:10.780 but the actual war of getting alberta you know out of this hegemony and out of all this centralized

00:40:19.960 um control is you know alberta independence right we could i guess we could offer that up what i've

00:40:28.120 been thinking of is offer that up as like an even better solution to a conservative federal government

00:40:33.480 yeah because still the same thing pierre here in alberta he has to appease ontario quebec and the

00:40:42.500 maritime provinces yeah and it's it's kind of you know meet the new boss same as the old boss even

00:40:51.540 though like yeah and you'll appear you know i do quite like him but he's you know he gets on the

00:40:59.400 campaign and the campaign advisors will always tell him you got to get the east yeah and wraps back

00:41:05.460 around to the lack of representation for the west and just the impossibility of actually changing that

00:41:13.160 yeah yeah and i think you know you know stephen harper especially and you know by extension pierre

00:41:21.300 they're all extremely like pro-west guys right they've all wanted and at some point work towards

00:41:27.520 um institutional reforms that would give the west a more fair voice right but the system that

00:41:35.440 they've been working in and trying to amend which unsuccessfully is a system that's been laid out

00:41:45.180 against the west like this is always like and i'm not saying had pierre come in that alberta's economy

00:41:51.620 wouldn't flourish and that separatist sentiment would like diminish be diminished completely like

00:41:57.920 that is like true like i genuinely think you know had pierre come in we you know the west would have

00:42:04.400 like i wouldn't say become complacent but become far more hopeful they would have been i guess yeah

00:42:11.620 within our position in canada right especially now that the the you know had it been like a

00:42:17.580 conservative majority government that the government wouldn't be constantly trying to stifle

00:42:22.340 um our industry and our economy and by extension our prosperity right

00:42:26.760 and everything that people here work for and so but then again that did never materialized you know

00:42:35.660 once again because of the confines that the federal conservative party has to work in because of you know

00:42:44.360 being at the behest of central and eastern canada who you know decide our elections right i think

00:42:51.100 you can go you can get away with not having like a single like vote like west of say i don't know

00:43:00.760 saskatchewan or maybe half of saskatchewan or i guess west of manitoba even actually yeah like

00:43:06.680 that's yeah one one of my uh supervisors at work constantly talks about you know the the elections

00:43:16.260 decided before it leaves ontario yeah oh yeah pretty well every time yeah it's it's he's he's turned

00:43:24.640 out to be correct with with that and yeah like the young and i guess i don't know what what what

00:43:37.060 would you say we are considering young when we're talking about like the young young you know people

00:43:42.300 they can vote like early 20s all the way up to mid 30s i would say even no actually a lot of gen xers

00:43:49.840 even i mean even though they might not be young per se right like they have families and whatnot but

00:43:54.460 a lot of them you know again going back to the polling that was done a lot of them actually did

00:44:00.260 uh come out and vote conservative during the last election it was again like the vast like a

00:44:08.000 massive majority of boomers you know the entitled and well-fed generation essentially that ended up

00:44:16.420 voting liberal and like they were the ones most responsible for swaying that vote yeah the ones

00:44:21.640 that have the appreciated assets yeah yeah exactly yeah same deal like kind of everywhere in the west

00:44:29.340 like property values and yeah not wanting to rock that boat oh yeah like but there's like a if

00:44:36.860 there's like a capital gains tax i mean you know speaking of someone who's not a homeowner like

00:44:40.660 i'm 20 years old but if the liberal government brings that in that would be so funny as like a massive

00:44:48.280 like fu to their entire voting block yeah that would appreciate that so much that would be amazing

00:44:56.160 yeah i mean it's already happening with like the cuts in like the federal workforce right that

00:45:03.560 they've given out to these um like administrative like sort of branches of government like you know

00:45:10.060 people that like do your passports and stuff and be like hey you know we're have we're gonna we're

00:45:16.160 gonna go through with this massive spending and we're gonna need to cut some costs and you may need

00:45:21.240 to cut some heads essentially you need to get rid of some people like that genuinely made me very glad

00:45:27.540 because those unions were the ones going out and um yeah advocating for the liberals you know i guess

00:45:35.120 fear-mongering about the conservatives coming in and like getting rid of all those uh government jobs

00:45:40.780 and whatnot but now they're actually getting it with the party that they thought was going to be

00:45:48.280 against all of that so which yeah they got they whipped up in tizzy afraid of afraid of trump and this

00:45:54.280 rhetoric and then just oh yeah things start turning out super great for them yeah yeah exactly yeah and

00:46:02.880 honestly and it's you know karma is a bitch right um i can't say i'm exactly concerned for those people

00:46:11.160 like i sure as shit i'm not um but yeah you know of course it turns out you know the government

00:46:19.280 who's basically ran on like reckless spending is gonna have to cut corners somewhere right

00:46:27.160 but i guess those people um didn't come to see that um yeah and i guess yeah i guess going back

00:46:37.640 to the young pierre voter and what an independent alberta i guess the young alberton pierre voter i should

00:46:47.820 say because there's there were a lot of them here of course yeah and you know given their thoughts

00:46:57.940 about like i guess their sort of hopelessness and contempt over canada and the future that's been

00:47:08.540 decided for them you know again primarily by the boomer voting bloc you know alberta independence

00:47:16.420 is definitely like even i feel like the notion of independence of like actually being able to break

00:47:24.940 away from all of this crap that's going on in canada all these problems yeah all this complacency

00:47:32.320 right all of this apathy that's you know basically corrupted like the main voting blocs you know like you

00:47:41.760 said the people with appreciated assets who couldn't give less of a shit about the economy and home

00:47:48.560 prices and yeah whose biggest concern is you know trump basically that their um beloved canada could

00:47:57.260 somehow be even like absorbed by the united states as if that's like an actual real possibility that

00:48:04.440 people need to fight against like it's comical to me almost right like the whole thing of like carny

00:48:09.520 saying oh we're in the greatest crisis of our lifetimes and then you know like not two months

00:48:14.600 later like not even a month in parliament and then just goes off like on vacation in australia like just

00:48:21.220 these people got plagued so hard and they don't seem to know it you know they will never know it

00:48:27.860 right like these people will never have like it these people legitimately will never have like voters

00:48:35.720 remorse right you know once you're that of that age like your belief system is all very much ingrained

00:48:45.240 like you've never think to yourself oh i've been duped like oh i've been maybe taken advantage of

00:48:50.500 you know you're always going to think to yourself that anything that you believe and that you've worked

00:48:57.140 towards is always right and so yeah yeah like that's the getting entrenched in you know you know

00:49:07.540 neuroplasticity and then habits and i mean i think like we'll all get there so mm-hmm yeah

00:49:15.420 yeah gotta keep that line for when we get knock down on it right now yeah because then there'll be

00:49:20.700 like what gen epsilon talking the same shit about us yeah yeah like in 40 50 years yeah i mean honestly

00:49:28.020 i don't even i guess i i'll give them credit i mean i hope they do that right there's always going to be

00:49:34.500 a generational divide between old and new especially now that like technology is progressing so fast like

00:49:42.740 we're living we're having different childhoods than our parents like we're living in completely

00:49:46.880 different worlds that then they lived in when they were our age right so yeah i mean honestly yeah i

00:49:53.820 would i mean i would hope that they would have a grunge like a grudge against older people and their

00:50:00.360 belief systems because it will probably be like drastically different from that what they believe in

00:50:05.400 yeah it's going to be you know for tech if technology keeps going the way it is let's

00:50:10.420 because like i'm i'm good with computers with uh you know with you know my parents and grandparents

00:50:17.760 type of type of deal but then i look at my you know younger kids in the family and they just they

00:50:26.180 grab like an ipad and they just zoom around that thing and it's i i already feel like some old man

00:50:33.040 tendency of just like oh i don't want that i don't want that yeah that's one of my biggest fears is that

00:50:39.000 one day that you know i'm gonna be like you know 50 60 years old and i'm gonna be like my parents

00:50:45.060 having you know trouble navigating whatever user interface that's gonna be around then like that's

00:50:52.880 genuinely like something that keeps me up at night like i don't want to i don't want to ever be that

00:50:56.900 you know yeah like it's already hard enough like logging on to the cra yeah oh the website as that is

00:51:04.140 now yeah i feel like that's maybe that's you know people are gonna call this a conspiracy theory

00:51:10.260 or whatever i feel like that's on purpose like i genuinely do yeah i don't think yeah people they

00:51:17.020 don't want collecting taxes to be like a seamless um a seamless straightforward thing and even

00:51:24.280 yeah and uh heaven forbid telling people how the process actually works oh yeah yeah like it's

00:51:30.400 things that don't get taught to you you just get told all right you got to go sign up and do this

00:51:35.460 and you know and that's probably the mindset behind that is generally how you end up with the

00:51:43.740 because the politically complacent nature most canadians it seems yeah and and how to like

00:51:53.920 like for alberta independence to like really really happen like that's requiring that complacency to end

00:52:03.980 yeah and that's that's like seems like a like staring up a mountain oh yeah yeah and i guess i want to

00:52:12.700 use that to segue into another topic of how like different we are in terms of values compared to

00:52:21.260 our eastern uh call it neighbors um even though they all hate us and live like literally thousands

00:52:29.300 of kilometers away um yeah like i told you before like you know people always like to stereotype

00:52:36.980 canadians as being very nice and always very apologetic and you know just kind um good-hearted

00:52:44.640 people right but then you know quebec completely flips the script on that like people there are not

00:52:52.880 very apologetic or very nice or very let's just say grateful or very forgiving like they're none of

00:53:03.500 those like they're genuinely none of those things like if you look at like broad cultural um

00:53:09.300 i guess aspirations that exist there and i know you've mentioned something about the language there

00:53:15.580 yeah if you don't know french like people will it sometimes like not because they'll refuse to speak

00:53:24.400 to you oh yeah like interact with you and they and then they have the language police oh yeah if you're

00:53:32.660 uh if your product isn't doesn't doesn't have french labeling and but it but sometimes they don't even

00:53:39.940 care if it's uh there's no english on it they just oh yeah yeah they don't care yeah they'd be glad

00:53:45.320 you know they probably work towards that yeah and not to mention like for them where you go to a

00:53:50.680 supermarket that you know every single grocery item is entirely in french you know you go outside

00:53:59.440 you're trying to navigate the road every single road sign is and like direction is in french right

00:54:05.820 every billboard every ad like just to completely ostracize all the english students

00:54:13.280 um you know in their top universities and institutions they'd love that and that also ties

00:54:21.820 back into like the um i guess parasitic nature so to speak of quebec right um

00:54:29.020 and i've told you this before um the way i view it is that quebec is to canada what israel

00:54:37.140 is to the united states right so basically there is no advantageous or strategic leverage that we get

00:54:47.720 right from quebec being a part of canada same with the united states they really garner no benefit

00:54:54.140 for you know giving out all this diplomatic and financial support to israel right it's actually

00:55:01.960 a not just a contingency but it's a liability for them you know being so close like having such close

00:55:11.500 ties with israel and basically like being complacent with every single one of their

00:55:18.120 like moves and like horrible conduct is like so deeply ingrained and you know that's

00:55:26.680 partly or i guess mostly yeah vast majority of course is because because of the israel lobby

00:55:32.460 and the amount of grip that they have on senators and congressmen and the amount of

00:55:39.660 pull push and pull that they can do to bring things to impose policies that are in their

00:55:47.040 favor like in terms of you know foreign policy quebec is very much the same thing with supply

00:55:53.620 management right where you have this cartel that you know basically controls the fact

00:56:02.940 let me rephrase where you have this cartel that has like a real grip on politicians careers right

00:56:12.660 maxine brunier is i guess like the most prolific example and you know they also make sure that the

00:56:20.200 system that they've put in place doesn't ever change you know that these artificial caps on dairy products

00:56:28.580 that are basically meant so that quebec and quebec dairy producers can just price fix their products

00:56:38.520 that those things never that they always stay in place that they never change and if anyone any

00:56:45.100 politician were to threaten to make even amend it one little bit that their political career is over

00:56:53.160 and you know the israel lobby has done the same thing you know time and time and time again

00:57:00.300 right they will go out and fund the campaigns of politicians that are running against

00:57:06.480 a politician or a senator who's you know critical of some of their policies even if which is funny even if

00:57:14.900 they're very like pro israel and pro zionist otherwise and so it's something that like if you know

00:57:25.900 something that i've come to reflect on and like draw parallels between you know because of like the current

00:57:33.520 state of affairs and like how much israel and palestine has dominated the new cycle right

00:57:40.980 um you can just kind of you know see the

00:57:45.760 i guess yeah parallels between them and yeah it's like geez yeah like i i don't know i mean people are

00:57:55.120 always going to bring up let's say cultural reasons for why quebec is so valuable to canada

00:58:01.640 when really you know again they're not valuable at all it's it's they're a massive massive financial

00:58:09.660 liability right they're probably a big money laundering thing oh yeah at the end of the day

00:58:17.240 for like one second right like just think of like the amount of equalization that your taxes pay for

00:58:24.060 you know the amount of social services that are afforded to people in quebec

00:58:28.140 right it's kind of like how the u.s bankrolls um health care for settlers in the west bank

00:58:35.760 you know in palestine and people like who are there illegally like it i don't know like i can like

00:58:43.560 sit all day and just draw parallels between these two but like it's it's never enough honestly it's

00:58:51.100 just two like very parasitic entities that have subverted the like i guess institutions and

00:59:01.720 countries that they've attached to yeah and it's and you can be way over far from the seat of power

00:59:10.300 of those nations and they decide they're going to give x amount of billion dollars

00:59:16.380 here and there to places that are not here yeah oh yeah oh yeah just think of like all the wealth

00:59:27.600 transfer that happens you know from where albertans are right and what they want what they want their

00:59:37.260 tax dollars to be paying for yeah and where it's actually going yeah and you know cut that border up

00:59:45.840 a bunch and you have a small independent alberta you don't if money's going out outside of the borders

00:59:53.440 you're a lot closer to the border and you can you know more easily contend with you know the parties

01:00:01.580 at play that might be doing that like if they end up doing that themselves at least you only have

01:00:09.620 a voting population of a certain size you don't have the geographically uh or the cultural differences

01:00:18.380 that persist due to geography and then you can you can better manage what's actually what's actually

01:00:28.340 there and reduce yeah at least at the beginning reduce the potential of just you know a swamp as

01:00:36.100 someone may yeah and oh i just want to draw one last parallel is that it's like the pandering to

01:00:47.380 quebec and canada like you mentioned earlier is non-partisan the conservatives liberals ndp they all

01:00:55.740 have to pander to quebec to get those votes right again it goes back it's very similar to the u.s and

01:01:03.700 how the two parties are basically unified in their approach and their support of israel like just

01:01:10.100 completely unwavering support of israel right quebec here in canada is very much the same thing

01:01:17.240 where you know a politician doesn't a party doesn't necessarily have to you know work

01:01:24.220 their way into getting seats from all over the country right they can just focus on these key

01:01:31.920 areas right i.e ontario and quebec to garner the most amount of votes that'll get them in power

01:01:40.160 they don't even have to think about like a large portion of the country right namely the prairies

01:01:46.980 and and even british columbia i think you know we talk about how alberta has really shitty

01:01:53.020 representation whether it's in the senate or house of commons or whatever bc is even worse

01:01:58.020 like in comparison to the population like it's just but again they don't i guess you know they don't

01:02:04.900 have the um you know because of the congregation of the population in those like very tight-knit

01:02:13.040 urban areas yeah the lower mainland yeah and the lower mainland and how much progressive they are

01:02:18.300 i guess in like the totality by and large bc they don't really care that much even though as much as

01:02:24.740 the rural committee communities i'm sure do care about how like much they're being ripped off

01:02:30.900 in confederation you know again circling back to representation and whatnot yeah and and in my

01:02:38.620 in my fictional idea 2099 dawn of the 24th or 22nd century i could totally foresee

01:02:47.140 lower mainland kind of gets cut out of whatever remnant oh yeah of a unified canada

01:02:56.920 is there and then they kind of join in with you know the west coast of the united states oh yeah

01:03:04.380 north north pacific yeah but i don't know but the thing about vancouver is that there's such a

01:03:11.160 like liability that even like seattle or like california wouldn't like want to deal with that

01:03:18.620 like the amount of money laundering that goes on in bc through casinos like the amount of people

01:03:26.560 like foreign property investors that buy buy that have bought up all the property there in cash

01:03:34.320 like the massive influx of like fentanyl like this is when people talk about oh like bc you know in

01:03:45.000 like an ideal situation um alberta saskatchewan and bc should all join together and separate and i'm like

01:03:51.000 no i do not want any part of the bc lower mainland to be in like whatever new country that's being

01:03:58.840 formed in the west like but there's also like bc and this is something i i briefly learned this because

01:04:06.400 i was recently through there and kind of learning that bc doesn't really have the treaties the same

01:04:13.220 way that alberta does and so if it ever came down to bc trying to separate in any capacity the

01:04:22.220 the uh the native bands have a lot more sway and so that that's an that there's it's an even

01:04:32.740 more it's an even messier and nothing will ever happen oh yeah yeah yeah i don't know i feel like

01:04:41.240 yeah i mean i think no other province has that kind of like divide within itself like politically

01:04:48.780 right like most provinces like you know we can say well i guess in the recent election like the 405

01:04:57.940 in ontario they did mostly vote conservative you know contrary to the rest of ontario but

01:05:04.000 yeah like most provinces you can either like label them as being you know conservatives or liberals

01:05:11.740 and like we don't really have like i guess battleground provinces like there are battleground

01:05:16.580 states in the u.s yeah like they're relatively stable yeah because bc always goes you know the more

01:05:25.760 progressive because of the lower mainland alberta has been progressive or been conservative for quite a bit

01:05:32.780 but but there was that there was that little uh ndp stint yeah back in the early 2010s yeah i guess

01:05:39.440 that was just an outcry from the uh progressive conservative rot that we were in yeah which

01:05:47.940 they're they're actually reorganizing by the way which is hilarious to me like the the provincial

01:05:56.240 party that was like under so much corruption and so much scandals that like albertans saw the

01:06:05.680 provincial ndp like of all parties that voted over oh and that really got jumbled up well like yeah

01:06:17.200 like a conservative quote-unquote conservative party yeah that was under so many scandals and corruption

01:06:24.040 the albertans would have rather voted for like a progressive party over just to shake things up

01:06:33.300 yeah just like just to see literally what happens like a lot like very much similar to um labor voters

01:06:41.120 in the uk right like they're just like yeah what happened this last election they're like oh just to

01:06:46.260 shake things up like okay this conservative government that's been in power like this long has just

01:06:51.900 done literally nothing they've only like they're not even it's hard to even call them conservatives

01:06:58.720 right because all these um i guess you know mass migration and whatnot happened under them right and

01:07:06.500 this is in the uk's case yeah but yeah and yeah just to see like what happens and albertans voted

01:07:13.420 into ndp now they've reinstated they're trying to reinstate themselves it's like the solution to the

01:07:18.840 separatist ucps and that you know i guess according to them most albertans aren't in line with what

01:07:25.280 the ucp is advocating for and whatever and it's like okay you want to like own you know which you know

01:07:31.300 like again the people involved in that like okay sure they should have a say and whatnot in uh like

01:07:38.040 conservative politics you know if they want to band off and like form their own thing that's perfectly fine

01:07:42.480 but the issue with that is is that that legacy is never like gonna escape you right it's always

01:07:51.200 going to be attached to you like the progressive conservatives in alberta will like never ever

01:07:57.000 like form another government again much less so like even a couple seats i don't think they'll even get

01:08:04.240 that you know again because of the legacy that they left behind and just i guess yeah you know

01:08:15.860 the one of their biggest things about the ucp is that they're becoming corrupt which i think is true

01:08:22.600 to some extent the ucp actually has been doing some like very odd things like in regards to like they've

01:08:29.200 i think in edmonton they lifted like a whole bunch of um laws and whatnot that would prosecute like

01:08:36.780 tim cartmel for corruption and would like cost him the mayoral race in edmonton they've done like

01:08:44.740 like a lot of weird things like that which i'm not in favor of and which i hope you know people within

01:08:50.000 the ucp whether it's mlas or you know people like mitch sylvester that have a seat and like their

01:08:55.120 meetings and whatnot but they kind of amend yeah root that out yeah just root that out but like

01:09:00.940 you know to come in you know for like the most corrupt party in alberta's history right even before

01:09:08.500 social even like you know social credit even even the liberal party which was actually very popular

01:09:17.360 when alberta first started they were actually like a very um pro-farmer party um i was talking to

01:09:22.320 michael wegner about this the liberal party in alberta right and so if you have like the

01:09:27.440 culmination of all these parties and you know the progressive conservatives like in their last 40

01:09:31.600 years of reign were just so like dismal people you know always talk about all the contingencies with

01:09:40.420 um separating from canada and how it's like oh like in the short term you know business like the

01:09:47.360 bit like energy companies on the toronto stock exchange will fall or whatever and you know that

01:09:54.440 is likely to happen but that happened when the ndp got voted in which is hilarious right like suncor

01:10:01.440 enbridge like all these like the stocks of all these companies fell like the moment the alberta ndp

01:10:08.620 got elected which is yeah i yeah i have uh this is kind of weird like i started working

01:10:15.420 kind of you know in the industrial sector and oil and gas in like 2015 i think and i i was walking in

01:10:26.960 and like it felt like you know there had been a massacre because everyone was telling stories about how

01:10:33.580 how just everything just went to shit like like uh work-wise and like how much work there was in

01:10:41.460 the province and me like i just i didn't know anything and it's just like oh geez and then

01:10:47.760 they're all like yeah they came back from a war like oh yeah result oil field guys yeah yeah and my

01:10:55.220 you know my parents are both like engineers like pipeline engineers you know in the petroleum industry and

01:11:02.760 you know i i do remember like especially like 2016 up to like 2019 or like the job market was like

01:11:11.280 genuinely horrendous and you know when like especially like when you're like uh when you're

01:11:18.800 working in a field that's like very cyclical and like it's boom and bust cycles especially like the

01:11:24.540 oil and gas industry like it was all all dependent on federal and provincial government and that's yeah

01:11:30.500 yeah yeah exactly it's like you could yeah you could see it like i remember yeah like my dad he

01:11:37.060 was like he was very anxious about like going to work and like about when they did eventually lay him

01:11:44.280 off but about like when they were going to because he barely had was doing any work there there was

01:11:49.400 nothing to be done right he was just clocked a lot of times he was just clocking in and like just

01:11:56.400 waiting to see like what he'd be given that day yeah but then you know literally like post ucp like

01:12:05.080 his work really started to like ramp up or not ramp up sorry ramp up like really

01:12:12.880 like both employ like his work as like an employee and like as a independent contractor

01:12:19.720 like he was getting like way more hours and whatnot it's kind of a point so another thing that i

01:12:26.060 picked up on at the albora prosperity project town hall and this is a question that i see the

01:12:33.340 you know the main guys you know mitch sylvester and jeff rad like they when people ask about

01:12:38.740 their pension and and uh the canada pension that we're all like paying into

01:12:46.540 and there's people that are like pretty concerned about it and given that we saw mostly older people

01:12:53.900 oh yeah yeah that that's gonna be i was just about to say that's very like reflective of like the

01:12:59.300 demographic that's like coming out of these halls but like i would be you know considering that

01:13:08.680 in a grand scheme and an alberta separating from canada and separation independence like i

01:13:17.280 see them as really the same thing it's kind of just semantics and people being say don't say

01:13:23.700 separation it's like you know whatever word comes out it comes out yeah yeah if that poses

01:13:28.780 a form of national unity threat by definition because it's the breakdown of you know

01:13:38.620 canada as everyone alive today has known it it takes a cash cow out of who's funding

01:13:49.620 the eastern provinces where the majority of the political power and the laurentian elite and all

01:13:55.080 that sits up where they're based and having seen how the government over there handled things like

01:14:06.560 the trucker convoy i would i would bet money i would bet my pension i would bet money that

01:14:12.780 when push comes to shove that they would throw denying canada pension as a bit of a scare tactic

01:14:22.080 to dissuade oh absolutely yes and and i know the guys that you know on the stage like they just said

01:14:29.080 they're they're legally obligated to and i'm just like what if they just say no yeah because how many

01:14:37.000 times has the federal government been taken to court they've been found to be doing wrongdoing but then

01:14:41.680 nothing happens yeah yeah and if you take that if you take that and you apply it to the scenario where

01:14:49.280 you have this territory trying to separate from the laws of canada you know practically you know that they

01:14:57.920 like their courts might just say like well you're no longer our jurisdiction you know we can do what

01:15:03.000 we want and you know there's already no accountability for what they do so yeah well maybe not their courts

01:15:10.520 but like i guess again you it doesn't matter what the courts decide what the ruling is like there's

01:15:17.000 nothing federal government always gets away with it like the amount of leniency that they're afforded

01:15:21.580 you know if they were to like withhold pensions like from although i think the cpp is like ran at

01:15:29.180 arm's length as corrupt as they are but still i think there would definitely be an effort to at least

01:15:37.100 like dangle the threat of withholding alberton's pensions from them definitely scaremongering and

01:15:43.960 yeah and this would be a thing like this would be something that would could likely uh dissuade

01:15:50.460 you know the the older voter base yeah the older voter base who might be able to swing

01:15:57.460 to toward alberta independence but but it's almost a thing like you just say to like all these young

01:16:04.540 people like non non-partisanly like left wing right wing whatever you want to say it's just like

01:16:10.260 your pension's going down the drain anyways like you're paying into the system oh yeah if things stay

01:16:15.960 the way they are you know debt your debt's gonna ramp up inflation's gonna get worse cost of living

01:16:22.000 like like alberta being relatively well off compared to the rest of you know the major centers in canada

01:16:30.180 like you know the east toronto montreal and vancouver like they have the astronomical home prices

01:16:37.540 you know the cost of living and like incredible population density as of now but the west not so

01:16:44.220 much and there's still kind of room to you know make some moves and make it so it doesn't get

01:16:51.500 like that immediately or or at least make it sustain more sustainable and the sooner that

01:16:59.940 getting away from the sooner that it could get away from the burden that is the rest of canada

01:17:08.280 and yeah not worry either accept be willing to accept the fact that like yeah like they may play dirty

01:17:15.600 and they might deny canate like canadian pension but then if a referendum went through and there's

01:17:21.280 enough popular sentiment about it who's to say that you know a new you know state of alberta

01:17:28.100 country of alberta like would you know honor that you know pension in lieu of the canada pension or

01:17:36.900 even like passports they i heard the thing saying like oh you'll keep your canadian passport i'm like

01:17:42.480 i don't know how that would if that would fly either like it would probably you know threaten that as

01:17:49.120 well like yeah evoking passports of albertan citizens oh yeah they'll try yeah they'll basically

01:17:55.600 throw everything at the wall and like see what sticks like in terms of like fear-mongering

01:17:59.420 tactics and what they actually can legally do or i guess they don't they don't care whether it's

01:18:04.820 legal that's the problem of legality it's they're gonna that's that's the that they can breeze some

01:18:10.960 of that right some of the tension that i would be concerned about and that's kind of

01:18:15.520 like you think of like big political moves or shifts in history and like

01:18:20.940 sometimes like it was like a bit of a rough road to achieve it but like some good things happen and

01:18:27.380 some things kind of fail miserably and that's kind of how history goes yeah that's why yeah like to

01:18:34.120 your point about pension that's why i think you know smith's like whole push like the alberta next

01:18:39.720 panel and whatnot and like you know obviously the constitutional amendments she wants to make

01:18:44.420 aren't going to go anywhere everyone knows that you know even the like the alberta reform panel

01:18:50.580 whatever that um jason kenny i'm not sure what it was called then but what he set up that was

01:18:56.360 similar to this you know which he tried which you know he put a referendum to albertans to end

01:19:01.520 equalization obviously they knew nothing was going to happen right yeah because it was against the

01:19:06.780 constitution yeah it was just for publicity right but one thing that can definitely happen again like

01:19:12.100 once smith like builds like consensus for it eventually maybe not consensus but a majority

01:19:17.700 for it is you know like alberta having its own pension plan like even with like the

01:19:22.920 120 billion or so that i guess we're entitled to that that was like the the government assessment

01:19:28.920 and that that was like a few years ago it's like much more now especially considering how much we've

01:19:33.540 over contributed even just with that amount like the the pension that we could have is like far far

01:19:41.500 better than what like cpp could ever provide us and also it takes away that kind of leverage that the

01:19:50.080 government would have against um older canadians right that hey we're gonna screw you over and take

01:19:56.680 away your pension well you know that it's an alberta pension now right it's not has nothing to do with

01:20:03.680 canada anymore just like what quebec has right they have their own pension plan and it's performing

01:20:09.600 you know better than canada's pension plan and it's more efficient it does it doesn't nearly cost as

01:20:17.020 much even though like even if we did like per capita like employees and like cost you know and like

01:20:25.280 comparison to like value generated you know from the investments and whatnot and so yeah i think the

01:20:33.460 alberta pension plan even like before independence occurs is like is something that should definitely

01:20:41.140 be on like everyone's radar yeah and that that's even reason i would say like

01:20:46.380 provincially like for the provincial politics like things are going about as going about as good as they

01:20:55.640 can be if independence is something that you know one might want because you know oh yeah for sure

01:21:03.340 like aside from that tidbit i heard at the town hall saying that you know smith could just implement

01:21:09.860 that immediately but yeah i mean it's still better than you know with the recent changes

01:21:17.060 to the citizen-led initiatives like lowering the criteria yeah yeah and then move the moving taking

01:21:23.600 steps to get the alberta police force oh yeah and then you know kind of shredding the waters with

01:21:29.400 alberta prosperity or alberta pension yeah it uh yeah there still isn't support for it unfortunately

01:21:36.640 in most like polling even like internal polling because yeah i'm still convinced that like it's

01:21:42.240 going to be a ripoff that like they're going to lose their pension like the amount of like hold that

01:21:47.580 like you know the federal government has on people like through disinformation is like crazy

01:21:53.420 yeah but i think like because i think jeff jeff wrath was a was critical of smith and that but i

01:22:01.900 sort of think that you know she's playing it careful and she's playing it yeah kind of smart because if

01:22:08.380 she made big jumps like that then there would be a whole lot of momentum behind throwing she's a

01:22:13.920 separatist this or that rah rah and then chaos and then ucps get voted out and then the next guy that

01:22:21.500 gets voted in would probably make the efforts a lot more harder yeah yeah yeah definitely i think

01:22:28.260 yeah she's you know first and foremost she's looking after her own like political career like

01:22:32.720 to be like honest right like she's not as politicians do yeah yeah like she's not she's not gonna come

01:22:39.960 out in favor of her like i think what she the the game she's playing right now is that you know

01:22:44.700 whichever way it sways whether alberta does separate or it doesn't that like she still

01:22:49.820 gets you know her she still keeps her position right whether that's being re-elected later or

01:22:55.440 if you know independence fails um she stays as um premier of alberta but yeah but you know i think

01:23:04.380 like her approach is right like yes she could you know just give a notice to the government and be

01:23:09.480 like hey we're gonna um have our own pension or whatever right but then again you look at um the

01:23:17.720 support you know at least in according like according to polling right for an alberta pension plan and it's

01:23:25.320 still like very low right and so you know again through these efforts like the alberta next panel and

01:23:30.920 whatnot she is trying to definitely raise awareness of how like the benefits of an alberta pension plan

01:23:38.400 um and i think yeah i'm that it's something that i'm definitely supportive of yeah so yeah it's just

01:23:46.340 kind of a matter of biding the time until the referendum happens and that if the question even

01:23:53.820 gets approved that there's not some some tomfoolery that happens yeah they've already thrown a wrench in

01:23:59.700 they've like sent it up to like one of the officers or whatever they're like and smith she actually tried

01:24:05.680 to fast track it like the approval of the question like she was like hey don't don't do that which

01:24:11.680 is definitely like approval of the app question yeah yeah the app question yeah question oh yeah

01:24:17.920 the the other yeah but yeah so yeah we'll have to see what happens with that so i she's definitely not

01:24:26.420 and like she's definitely like just as far as to like what she's done so far it doesn't like i don't

01:24:34.940 have any indication that like she could ever like get in the way of this like ever get in the way of

01:24:39.720 like a referendum being well if she's doing it properly and it's kind of the vibe right now it's

01:24:46.040 just like hey it's what the people want yeah yeah you know it's like that's this percentage of people

01:24:50.700 wanted this yeah most people actually do want a referendum to happen in alberta like not not

01:24:57.160 we're still not we're most people that's not like a most people want a yes but most people want there

01:25:03.160 to be a referendum like an opportunity to vote on matters yeah yeah yeah um and so yeah do you also

01:25:13.300 oh yeah i think you should also give your piece on authoritarianism and bill c2 and whatnot

01:25:18.840 well it's just yeah i got yeah briefly touched on it but uh i watched now i guess i you could say i

01:25:30.560 kind of had a bit of an awakening you know watching the the trucker protests and i you know i was kind

01:25:36.980 of like enamored by it and fascinated and you know watching the live streams on youtube like when this

01:25:44.680 dreamers on the ground were live streaming it and seeing like what it would actually look like

01:25:49.300 and you know talking to the progressive people that i knew at the time about it like they were

01:25:56.580 kind of a little lukewarm about it because of the because the subject matter being like covid

01:26:00.680 restrictions but you know i was you know very enamored by how they were doing it like it was

01:26:06.140 there's park there there's the bouncy castles the barbecues like all all that stuff and

01:26:13.400 a weekend goes by news cycle you know dips but then monday rolls around and then all of the usual

01:26:21.160 suspects start saying the same things you know the reddit pipeline gets posting a certain way

01:26:29.240 you know cbc reporting a certain way and like and at that point then then the progressive people i'm

01:26:36.680 talking to talking to talking to about it you know they all start parroting that opinion and

01:26:44.100 you know like it's almost it feels like a cliche to say like you know the 1984 thing but you know i

01:26:51.540 was watching the live streams seeing like what it was actually like and then seeing how it was being

01:26:56.440 portrayed and you know and i continued watching it all the way until uh the emergencies act got

01:27:05.620 enacted and the kind of the resistance with it and then when the riot cops rolled in and started like

01:27:13.020 trampling trampling the the protesters and pushing them back and you know and like that that like

01:27:21.900 unprecedented event that like even like on the world stage was kind of looked at just being like

01:27:27.760 yo what the f guys like canada's going crazy and kind of to this day like

01:27:35.940 let's say like the recent say protests all across the states like nothing i have seen

01:27:44.120 from those protests was anything like the canadian like the ottawa police cracking down on the trucker

01:27:51.100 protests and so they should know like even the you know the progressive people that may have you

01:28:00.340 know maybe not seen that or maybe they were in favor of it or like that government exists and they

01:28:06.620 and they have set a precedent that they can and they would you know do something like that yeah and

01:28:14.600 they're constantly putting in these tools of legislations and tools to do one thing or we saw a lot with like

01:28:24.140 you know you know hate speech harmful speech you know whatever you want to like view it as and

01:28:31.380 if it was used in the favor of whatever your political alignment was in favor of then it's fine but then

01:28:40.460 the pendulum swings back the other way and now the other team has that same weapon to use against you

01:28:46.180 and that's you keep doing that back and forth the authoritarianism rises and then like then you

01:28:52.580 things start looking like the uk and that's like really not good yeah like what i've noticed like

01:28:59.540 particularly with canadian progressives is that they want to you know reach their ends by any means

01:29:07.640 necessary so you know if an authoritarian government an authoritarian regime let's say is you know

01:29:15.440 enforcing their values and the things that they're working towards you know by way of authoritarianism

01:29:23.060 then they're completely fine with it which is it's something that i've noticed and i'm sure you know i

01:29:29.240 don't see this so much in like the right wing especially the populist right but at something that's

01:29:34.320 like is paralleled by the like the far right like the very fringes of the right that you know if you

01:29:41.060 know if like a say like a monarchy were to come in power and you know were to be very authoritarian and

01:29:48.900 basically like i don't know put all the commies and whatnot in the gulag or whatever they'd be

01:29:56.920 completely fine with it yeah like it's and even in some of the discourse when people like

01:30:04.500 are screaming about you know right ring a right wing it's like not even that far right yeah yeah

01:30:14.140 literally like like wanting albert independence is like like the least like extremist like view you can

01:30:22.400 have on like in terms of like like it's ultimately ultimately saying ultimately saying like hey we

01:30:28.560 don't want this big bloated mass of government looming over us thousands of kilometers away

01:30:34.400 giving us dictate like dictating what we do and what we do what we can and cannot do and that's just

01:30:42.100 tax us to hell and like you know bring the wealth out of the region

01:30:47.100 yeah yeah for sure yeah being being against that is like i'd say it's non-partisan it's not even

01:30:56.160 like you can't even like classify it as being right wing even like if you like look at the history

01:31:01.980 of like alberta like wanting a place within canada like that's well how like it's very interesting when

01:31:10.460 you frame it that way when you talk about how you know for all these years ever since you know

01:31:14.660 ernest manning um and then later his son preston and then stephen harper all that all their efforts

01:31:22.500 was to try to bring alberta in to canada right so give alberta a better voice you know within confederation

01:31:31.280 was to you know give alberta more say within its own jurisdiction right much like um other provinces

01:31:38.720 namely quebec uh are allowed to exercise and that those efforts were i don't want to say in vain

01:31:46.460 they definitely did achieve like whatever was little was achieved was still a lot considering

01:31:52.920 what they were up against but you know looking back now we don't we really don't have much to show for

01:31:58.940 it right and so you know a canada that doesn't listen to our gripes doesn't want us in doesn't want

01:32:04.820 us to you know have that control over like a control over ourselves and also influence within

01:32:14.140 um i guess federal institutions you know a federal government that does not want any of those things

01:32:21.540 you know a hegemony that doesn't want any of those things well you know it goes back to you know if

01:32:27.200 we're going to keep being pushed out in terms of policy and in terms of laws and breaches of the

01:32:35.420 constitution or whatnot then why not just leave completely like what's the point of like being

01:32:40.240 a pushover yeah like if you know we're playing playing nice and saying like hey there's laws we

01:32:47.660 got to follow but if they're not following the laws then what's going on guys like yeah i thought we

01:32:52.820 were i thought we were here you know agreeing that this is how things should be done yeah yeah

01:32:58.820 absolutely and you know to your point about um authoritarianism and bill it's bill c2 right or is

01:33:05.200 it just bill two uh i think it's c2 i think it's c2 the second bill of this current parliament like

01:33:12.440 that's the one with you know the added surveillance and the yeah searching mail without a warrant and

01:33:18.260 it's like yeah basically yeah like also i guess um forcing governments into um like cooperation like

01:33:31.660 in terms of intelligence and spying with the government without them like with it being

01:33:37.940 illegal for the company to disclose such a thing that they can't talk about it it's it's very much

01:33:43.860 like the edward snowden leaks yeah what came out of the nsa and all these backdoors that they had

01:33:49.860 with all these um you know websites and operating systems and whatnot it's very much like in parallel to

01:33:57.320 that yeah it's again it's almost like the way to try to get away from it or at least stem the tide is

01:34:10.660 have your more smaller decentralized states that you know could or could could want or not want to

01:34:19.580 have such things yeah yeah exactly yeah like people's views and we've talked about it throughout

01:34:26.860 this podcast but you know canadians views like differ on like so many things like again from coast to

01:34:34.180 coast to coast there's you just find you know people with completely different priorities

01:34:39.720 um and different um i guess perceptions of like what a good life is yeah whether and they're all tied

01:34:50.060 by that the federal government yeah it's like you just it just doesn't work

01:34:56.060 it literally just you know there i guess you could argue that you know with the mass influx of

01:35:05.860 migrants you know particularly from um let's you know let's be honest a single region that's been

01:35:13.560 happening like since covid like you could maybe argue against that but then again it's like if you look

01:35:23.000 at actual general trends like historic trends and where different provinces sit we're still like far

01:35:32.180 far far far far away from like ever um having um like i guess with different regions having like a

01:35:42.520 similar mindset over things right if you were to like i guess look at you know again there are

01:35:49.860 different blocks right you know there's bc there's a rural part but then you know because of the mainland

01:35:54.320 they skew a little bit progressive right alberta saskatchewan very much very very much conservative

01:36:00.480 territories well territories are on account they have like very few seats manitoba you know i guess

01:36:05.380 is like somewhere in between it depends i think this election they skewed more liberal um and then

01:36:10.820 everywhere like east of manitoba is just a red sea like completely right and so there just isn't

01:36:18.280 like anywhere else like you know in in the united states right there are red states and blue states

01:36:22.560 right but they're not like it's not an east and west divide right like on the east you have you in new

01:36:29.320 york who's always democrat but you also have you know florida right they're always republican right

01:36:35.260 it's the same thing in the west right you have you know california and whatnot but then texas i guess

01:36:41.480 texas yeah it's kind of western texas is always right wing the midwest always like where i guess most

01:36:47.900 times skews right wing yeah so it's really canada and that's you know in comparing these two countries

01:36:55.260 it's really canada that has this massive like regional divide in terms yeah yeah all political

01:37:02.960 um world views and aspirations yeah and then then you look at yeah the population density and the size

01:37:10.780 of the provinces like these western provinces are bigger than most of all of the u.s states

01:37:18.800 barring texas and alaska like alberta would be like number three if it were a state and it's

01:37:26.560 it's just yeah it's just ultimately too big and there's just nothing really holding it together

01:37:36.120 it's just a lot of just it's just the people agreeing that we're gonna vote on something in

01:37:41.320 hope that the other team accepts the outcome yeah and what's really made all this worse is that

01:37:48.180 people's impression of a democracy is that you only have a say by voting

01:37:54.880 which is complete like and like general elections or provincial elections or even mayoral

01:38:02.180 but there is so much more that like you can do right like that notion is what's keeping a lot of the

01:38:11.080 facade together yeah this whole notion that oh oh hey you know you live you know four thousand

01:38:17.800 kilometers west of you know where you're governed of the the gov the people and the bureaucrats that

01:38:25.540 you know reign over you well i guess you just gotta go vote you know like you don't like we have the

01:38:32.880 same thing like back when the first colonies in america north america were founded it's yeah that

01:38:40.540 governing body far far away and then eventually they're just like hey we don't like this yeah it's like

01:38:45.620 a similar or even greater amount of distance yeah oh yeah between where we are in ottawa yeah

01:38:52.120 it's just but then even by extension it's just land it's not an ocean yeah exactly yeah it's that's

01:38:58.060 that's literally the difference right and then you you know by extension it's not just ottawa

01:39:02.740 you know they are governing but it's also quebec that's again lashed itself onto

01:39:08.120 the institutions that happen to be in ottawa yeah and have to and they would as soon as like

01:39:15.840 the gravy train kind of ends like they would just announce their own independence and oh yeah oh

01:39:20.400 definitely yeah that's the thing i was thinking like you know the beaverton how they have like um

01:39:25.700 like satirical headlines or whatever you know it could be like oh once alberta leaves they could have

01:39:30.580 like oh uh i guess case for quebec independence became much stronger now that there is no alberta

01:39:38.260 to leech off up in canada like literally it would be something like that and the thing is it wouldn't

01:39:44.540 even be like satirical like it it'd be like very much it would be pretty yeah that's like this is

01:39:53.760 actually happening so yeah this is definitely like you know you know like we said earlier um alberta

01:40:03.260 becoming independent or even if we let's say we don't even become independent until the next five

01:40:10.600 years right but if we get a majority yes vote within um like a referendum question for an independent

01:40:20.980 alberta like that would change everything right saskatchewan would definitely like follow along

01:40:28.900 it would definitely put a firm line in the sand and just be like yeah yeah for sure communicate the

01:40:35.560 discontent and it would have to be taken seriously and if it's not like like i don't know if it's just

01:40:42.820 me or if it's like kind of the maybe the albertan sentiment but like receiving like some pushback or

01:40:50.380 being or being said like oh no you can't do that it's like well now i want to do it even more oh

01:40:54.840 yeah yeah for sure yeah you know i'm also i'm honestly in favor of like a lot of these like

01:41:00.680 like i don't know if you've seen naheed nenshi and like the ndp they've been going around like

01:41:06.700 wearing you know maple leaves and whatnot and i like and they're what's funny is like they're going

01:41:12.320 around canvassing and like progressive um writings in edmonton and they're like yeah um you know

01:41:18.320 where i'm going door to door and you know a lot of people seem to love being in canada a lot of

01:41:24.240 albertans it's like okay albertans you're no it's just like a very that's edmontonians yeah like

01:41:30.620 irrigated like urban area like okay like go to you know old didsbury you know canvas there like see

01:41:37.320 what you get from people there like see how they respond to your notion of uh canada being

01:41:45.000 being something that's worth saving see how they respond to that yeah um and so yeah i think that

01:41:52.580 it's definitely the first domino for sure like alberta leaving like quebec there's no question

01:41:59.120 like even if say there's like a 10 chance that um saskatchewan doesn't fall in line um quebec

01:42:07.040 will like most certainly like that chance would be like 0.1 percent like they will like most certainly

01:42:13.340 reach a yes vote you know at that point you once you know we set the precedent of course right yeah

01:42:20.860 um that is just bound to happen and i feel like when what's going to happen is when quebec if they

01:42:29.180 do get a um majority yes vote on a referendum question regarding independence like the red carpet

01:42:37.460 to independence will be rolled out for them basically like i don't see any federal opposition

01:42:45.040 to it especially since they've had so many referendums now and they've been so like marginally

01:42:51.480 close to getting to that finish line yeah in that and which will be kind of interesting it'll highlight

01:42:59.980 the hypocrisy even more between how you know federalists deal with quebec separatists and alberta

01:43:07.120 separatists like yeah between those two like oh yeah they get to like a yes referendum like quebec does

01:43:14.900 like you see like this massive like code switching and like behavior and like this massive pandering

01:43:22.480 to quebec that they usually always do like i think yeah which is i guess why in a in a sense i want

01:43:30.720 quebec to get to that yes vote before alberta does because that the feds have to decide oh yeah they have

01:43:37.660 to decide you're going to support this one but not yeah but not that one it'll really set the stage and

01:43:43.340 it'll really like show people that hey look you know you're not like alberta is not treated the same

01:43:53.200 as a place like quebec within confederation like it's we're like the black sheep of the family

01:44:00.980 like they genuinely can in comparison to quebec that gets all the gifts you know and has to do the

01:44:07.740 least amount of chores you know we're the exact opposite of that in like every possible way

01:44:14.780 and you'll see that you know once quebec asks for something it will get it like you know 100 of the

01:44:23.520 time that's always happened with like in confederation they will always get it you know they don't have to

01:44:29.740 put up a fight like alberta always has over and over and over again just to get to nowhere

01:44:33.780 yeah but yeah you already you already see them trying to trying to you know paint the independence

01:44:41.640 thing as you know separatist extremist you know whatever but you know quebec has that and i don't

01:44:47.200 see i don't see hit pieces no we give them you know they're allowed to form government or not form

01:44:54.700 government i guess they're allowed to they're allowed to have you know major representation in um you

01:45:00.920 know the house of commons like what's interesting about the reform party of canada during the press

01:45:06.000 and manning days yes even though a lot of um like uh people that were running under that party they

01:45:13.320 were independence minded or i guess separatists you know again like what you said about semantics and

01:45:19.400 whatnot that um that they made sure that they kept the separatist sentiment at bay that they wouldn't

01:45:26.180 that they would you know put like their like their effort all their effort into like getting a

01:45:33.380 better position for the west in canada right but you know you have the block the federal block who very

01:45:41.400 much wants to break quebec out of canada you know they don't have to hide it they don't have to put up

01:45:47.440 a front yeah they don't have to you know uh play nice in like what they say and yeah and they all

01:45:55.420 because they can just say it in french and the rest of the yeah yeah yeah exactly they can yeah they

01:46:00.460 can just dupe us by speaking in french and um they can literally just get away with you know being

01:46:06.600 separatists you know holding um you know positions in government you know holding seats in the house of

01:46:13.780 commons right like that's unprecedented i think even if you look at like england like okay how many

01:46:19.220 like um members of i guess i don't know how they're alleged i'm it's pretty similar to ours but how many

01:46:25.060 uh representatives from scotland are like hardline separatists like it's like you i don't think you

01:46:34.220 could name one right like it's just not this is like a leeway that's been given to quebec you know

01:46:42.700 it's just been happening so long and nobody really thinks about it yeah exactly yeah yeah

01:46:48.620 status quo yeah but yeah i think you know the more parallels we draw between how

01:46:55.360 um albertan separatists are treated in comparison to quebec separatists it would really

01:47:01.260 um solidify in people's minds that not only is um like is alberta treated very poorly in

01:47:12.020 confederation but also that this notion of independence you know as we as we've seen in

01:47:17.760 quebec is not very far away you have these extremely well organized parties and people

01:47:23.720 right that have been advocating for it all this time out in the open you know without fear of

01:47:30.160 consequence for what they say or anything yeah right and so that you know when once you um you're

01:47:39.140 bringing that into perspective it's like oh okay well independence isn't even that bad like it's not

01:47:44.360 it's certainly not as fringe as um you know progressives would like to make it out to be

01:47:49.640 right that is it's definitely you know yes you know they've faced a lot of hurdles where i guess

01:47:55.400 they they've never actually got to like a yet majority yes vote ever um they've been very close

01:48:01.360 though but i think you still need a clear majority right something about like 50.1 percent for sure

01:48:05.900 yeah 50.1 percent clarity act yeah but and and yeah that everyone's talking about the clarity act

01:48:14.200 and then you know then it becomes uncharted waters yeah clarity yeah exactly it does but that's the

01:48:21.220 thing is like well look you know all these people you know from you know thousands of miles away

01:48:27.340 have been working towards this goal so it's absolutely not if you feel the same way about you know

01:48:33.980 wanting an independent alberta it's absolutely not fringe you know nor is it like derogatory to

01:48:40.120 it shouldn't be at least derogatory to anyone you know don't um get phased when people take offense

01:48:47.180 to what you think because you know again people in quebec have been advocating for this out in the open

01:48:53.760 and no one like you know again no federal politician or uh what it's actually stephen harper has

01:49:01.900 but federal politicians have always been very scared to speak against it right where you know it's a

01:49:10.880 complete 180 here and so yeah i that's like a kind of thing that secede that we should definitely

01:49:17.680 plant in people's minds or at least i will try to especially with the draw the draw the contrasts yeah

01:49:23.620 yeah yeah especially with this um brain rock um peter griffin and stewie like dialogue

01:49:30.240 uh page that i'm gonna have on instagram i've already written uh like a script for one of the

01:49:39.540 videos but um yeah so anyways i'm just gonna you got anything else you want to say we're running out

01:49:46.700 on the recording yeah we're on the recording anything else you want to say uh no i think

01:49:53.160 that's about it long long conversation and yeah i think it was good we should meet up in person

01:50:00.580 yeah that could be interesting yeah and then actually have a rambling conversation and not

01:50:06.940 have to worry about oh yeah for sure yeah this yeah i feel like censorship for sure

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The Alberta Project - August 05, 2025

Young Minds on Alberta Independence

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